Shedding Pounds and Myths: David Roden on Weight Loss & Diet Sodas

What's the secret behind maintaining a 200-pound weight loss for over a decade? Join us as David Roden shares his incredible journey, filled with humor and hard truths about obesity transformation. We explore how his supportive yet indulgent childhood environment shaped his food relationships, offering a refreshing perspective on the delicate balance of parenting and encouraging healthy habits in children. David's story is an eye-opener, emphasizing the importance of mentality, sustainable habits, and the role of protein in weight management, while debunking the quick-fix allure of yo-yo dieting.

We also engage in the great taste debate of Diet Coke versus Coke Zero, analyzing the distinct flavor profiles and the impact of artificial sweeteners like aspartame and sucralose. Our discussion extends to diet and zero-sugar sodas, where we unveil the complexities of flavor preferences and the often misunderstood world of natural sweeteners such as stevia and monk fruit. From Diet Mountain Dew to Zevia, no soda is left unturned as we test taste buds and bust myths about sweeteners.

Switching gears, we explore the fascinating and sometimes bizarre world of longevity and unconventional health practices. From cryotherapy to Brian Johnson's extreme measures for extending life, we uncover the lengths people go for a chance at a longer life. Meanwhile, the "Anti-Diet Diet Club" documentary takes the spotlight, critiquing sensational claims in the nutrition world and emphasizing sustainable health practices. Wrapping up with heartwarming tales of parenting a one-year-old, we navigate the unpredictable adventures of fatherhood with humor and honesty, reflecting the essence of adaptability in both health and life.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are we recording now?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
We are recording.

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, hey everybody, we're talking about Pepsi v Coke
, so I'm assuming you're David,you're on the Coke side, right?
Team Diet Coke?
Yeah, see, I've never.
The Diet Coke has a very howyou say distinct taste.
It does.
Right, like it has and I think,just like, you kind of get used
to that and then you enjoy itand then you stick with it.

(00:25):
But for most people I thinkCoke Zero has more of a regular
sugar taste but like.
So I can totally understand whypeople like.
Listen, I like licorice, but Iunderstand most people are going
to like licorice, right,because it's a very distinct
taste.
I think Diet Coke, likeaspartame, by itself has a very
distinct taste that you eitherlike or don't like by itself as

(00:46):
a very distinct taste that youeither like or don't like.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I I love the fact that, like you have diet, you
have diets and you have zerosugars, yes, and the zero, and
they're just so different.
And I go back and forth somethings.
I like diet tasting, ones ofthe of the like, the thing like
diet coke versus coke zero.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
What's another diet like diet?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
mountain dew no diet mountain dew is garbage compared
to Zero Sugar Mountain Dew.
Like that's not even a question, like that's always the funny
part to me, like that's not evenPeople say like Diet Dew is
better than regular Dew, like Idon't Blasphemy, I don't I've
never even seen a Diet Dew Diet.
Yeah, the diet do we've got.

(01:27):
We've got mountain dew zero uphere.
I've never seen a diet, do seethat, yeah, diet.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do just taste like pee water.
All right, what about dr pepper?
Are you diet dr pepper?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
a lot of people are diet dr pepper I like zero sugar
dr pepper over diet, so c zerowhat?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
okay, what other fucking diets do you like, are
you?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
no, I'm serious, I'm serious, it, I, it's.
It's literally like diet cokeis like the main diet, okay, of
the zero sugars of the dietworld, yeah, and then mostly
everything else it's zero sugarszero, that's what I'm saying,
like.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay.
So for anybody listening, uh,zeros just have aspartame and
acesulfame potassium, which isjust another artificial
sweetener, and generally whenyou blend them together, so
there's sucralose, there'ssaccharin, there's all these
different artificial sweeteners,and when you blend together you
can generally mimic a sugartaste a little bit more than if
you do all one.
Like the first.
You know, like I was at Kosai,I was peeing out a urinal that's

(02:12):
how all conversations start andit was like they have like the
little facts up on it and it waslike the first artificial
sweetener was like invented inlike 1840, something Like I
think it was like saccharin.
I remember the story of likethis guy he was working on, like
you know, back then.
It was just like guys andthey're like you know, attic and
they work with shit and theycombine like chemicals.
You know that's basically allscience was.
And so he like he, he did, hewas doing some stuff and he went

(02:35):
down to eat and he didn't washhis hands and he noticed his
hands were sweet as he waseating bread.
He's like oh, this is weird.
And so he, he accidentally hadcreated like saccharin.
I think it's like the first one.
I'd have to double check onthat.
But like, yeah, it's just, youknow, we've had artificial
sweeteners for a while, whichalways kind of makes me laugh
because people like well, theyhaven't been studied long enough
.
I'm like bro, we got fuckingdecades, we've got like a

(02:57):
hundred plus years on like these, on at least some of these
artificial sweeteners, and we'restill going okay bro, it's that
always what gets me, because,like I always say this, when,
when, like monk, fruit comes uplike monk fruit natural natural
ones.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
The natural one yes, and I said that on a tiktok live
a few months ago.
I'm like, guys, just so we'reclear, because I'm gonna ask
about monk fruit and I'm like,just so we're clear, guys, we
have more safety data onaspartame, on all these other
ones, than then monk fruit,stevia it's probably fine, it's
probably fine, no one's sayingit's not, but we actually have
more data on the safety of ofaspartame.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Aspartame is made in a lab.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's artificial I love that because people are
always like oh, stevia is sonatural.
Have you seen the processing ofstevia?
Like the amount of processingstevia has to go through.
It is essentially made in a lab.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, yeah, I mean, I remember Home Depot had a
stevia plant and I was like, oh,that's cool, and I picked a
leaf and I chewed on.
I thought I was going to die.
That shit tasted horrible LikeI couldn't, I just spit that out
.
That was gross.
So yeah, the stevia plant Don,I couldn't, I just spit that out
.
That was gross.
So yeah, the stevia plant Don't.
Don't get a plant and sweetenyour food that way.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Let me tell you that, no, no, you need a.
You need a huge amount ofequipment to process that shit.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's why I like.
I like sucralose.
Sucralose is Splenda.
Splenda is like the brand name,and because it comes from sugar
, they take sugar, they make itsweeter and your body can't
really process sucralose, so youjust like pee it out.
And it's always weird to methat people like what does it
build up in the body?
Do you have?
Do you piss, do you poop duringthe day?
That is your body being like.
Now we don't need this anymore,it's gone, it's fine.

(04:36):
So I mean, yeah, this wholeepisode is pretty much gonna be
on diet sodas, but I guess, dave, you should probably I'll be.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I'll honest.
It's funny how this works,because diet soda is kind of
like my thing.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's so funny how, like this conversation, I didn't
I, I did not start this, but ofcourse it has to go here.
I mean, I knew I knew we weregoing to get there.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But for episode 69 plus two David we have.
This is how.
So if you do, david, we wereour zero BC.
Or David we have David.
This is how so.
If you, yeah, david, we're R0BCor like our date is 69.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
So we go 69 plus or minus Base 69, exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So we're 69 plus 2.
Why don't you introduceyourself for people?
Let people know what your dealis.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, so for those guys that don't know, my name is
David Roden, I'm 33, and thisyear I'm celebrating down.
I've been down 200 pounds for10 years.
This is past year 10 now andit's been a heck of a journey.
By the time I was 18 years old,I weighed over 400 pounds.
So, like the obesitytransformation space, weight
loss is very much my baby.

(05:42):
It's not the only thing I do,uh, but it's definitely that my,
my heart like half diet soda.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's half.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Like my life is half diet soda and half talking about
calories.
Um, that's basically what itcomes down to.
And uh, and somehow diet sodamade me 400 pounds.
Or my favorite is, someone toldme that it's gmo, like food,
and and I'm like yeah, you'reright, the non-organic apples.

(06:09):
That's what got me to 400pounds.
It was definitely the inorganicapples, the GMOs got me.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think it's just easier to pick a small thing,
because if you talk aboutobesity as a disease, then you
have to bring up all these likestatistics and boring shit, like
you know, talk about access tofucking quality food and all
this stupid bullshit medicalconditions no, no, no we just
talk like fucking gmo.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's, it's dot, it's it's artificial sweeteners and
and food dies gmo is such a bigword, we had to shrink it down
to three letters.
That's how scary it is done,done, done.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And I just my favorite is when you say gmo,
like it's, like, yeah, it's,it's, it's the non-organic
apples, that's, that's whatthat's.
So why don't you?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
tell like, because you've told some stories, I want
you to tell people like how youyou got to that weight oh, I'm
assuming it wasn't dirty we were, I kind of wanted to give you
you know, give people a littlebit of like what you know, what
you would do on kind of adifficult day to get there,
because I think that always kindof interests people as well
let's.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
let's be honest, like obviously it's not rocket
science.
Guys.
If you are consideredliverweight, you are eating too
many calories.
Now why?
We can go into all the nuances,your relationship with food,
your access to certain foods.
We can go into all the nuances,your relationship with food,
your access to certain foods.
We can go into all you suck atcooking.
We can go into all this stuff,but at the end of the day, you
eat too many calories and yousit too much.

(07:33):
But how did I get there?
Funny enough, my dad's a heartdoctor, he's an interventional
cardiologist and I grew up in anincredible household.
My mother was an incrediblesoul, supportive.
Her biggest problem was shealways said yes and so you got a
dad who works 80 to 90 hours aweek in the hospital, and you

(07:54):
got a mom who always says yes.
So what does every kid want?
Food and video games.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's what I want.
I mean, yeah, I was never toldno.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Food and video games baby.
And so I had a really big houseand we had a walk in pantry and
I always had friends over, andso my mom would just go to
Costco and pack it full of stuff, and so we always had Costco
size bags of Reese's peanutbutter cups and and everything
you could think of.
And I'm not kidding, in a nightI'd be playing like call of

(08:24):
duty and I'd rip through a 24count of reese's peanut butter
cups.
Um, I would have I don't know afamily, a family bag of doritos
and then probably wash it downwith, uh, half a sleeve of
mountain dew.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I mean it's I mean so like two reese reese's cups is
like 190 calories.
So if you're eating like,you're eating just that, you
know like 2,000, 3,000 caloriesof just those, just sweets, and
then no, and it's not rocketscience.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And then you get behind the eight ball and I was
300 pounds by the time I waslike 13, 14.
I weighed over 400 pounds bythe time I was 18.
And then that's where the badrelationship with food comes
about, and then your poorrelationship with yourself, and
now you're hiding food andyou're playing on all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Now, did your dad ever say anything to you as like
a heart surgeon?
Was he always like hey, david.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Kind of a stop eating those.
Okay, I'm off to work it was.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
It was one of these things where, um, the context of
dad kind of comes into play,where his, my dad, my dad's
incredible and but one of thethings that his shortcoming was
his dad died when he was 12 andso he never had that figure.
Um, that like kind of was likethe stone fat like this, not
cool, and so like he didn't.
So his way of of loving me wasjust supporting me.

(09:50):
He had me go to a dietician, hehad me go to an endocrinologist
.
Um, he ideally was trying toeat have me eat more fruits and
vegetables, not so much pizza,but at the same time, he also
wasn't like a very dogmatic,like no, you're not doing that.
Yeah.
Like he was like hey, maybe weshould do this.
Um, and I mean, I respect it,he didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
He didn't want to uh I mean you love your children,
like I love my daughter's a yearold, and I want it.
She's like, oh, I want to be.
You know, like I, that balanceis kind of tough.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I have to be like okay, you've had enough doritos,
no more doritos, so you canhave other things.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, oh, she flips out like because I will give her
like candy and stuff and thenshe'll be more.
I'm like no, no, we're donewith that.
And she, she loses her shit,but it's like for 30 seconds
because she's only one year oldand then she'll forget about it.
So like, all right, keep going,do your thing, find your poly
pockets I know you like those.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
The biggest fight that my dad would always have
was when we get like we getpizza, and he'd be like all
right, pizza or cheese bread,you're not getting both and I'm
like what do you mean?
I'm like you're one of theother pizza or cheese bread and
I'm like no, we're getting both.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
How am I gonna wash?
I need to.
I got the mound.
Do I need to wash things downwith this and then?

Speaker 3 (10:58):
he'd be like guys, cheesy bread, you dip it in
pizza sauce, you're just eatingextra pizza, like it's pizza
with pizza.
Why, what are you doing?
And like that was half hisbattle was like it just didn't
make sense, can we?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
talk about the domino's bread bowl.
How many I've eaten so many ofthose.
Do you remember the domino'sbread?
Does anybody remember?
I'm sure some people listeningare like oh, I fucking remember
the domino's bread.
I don't know because I justlove.
So you had the bread, you hadthe bread sticks, you have pizza
which is largely bread so youwould have this giant bread bowl
and they would have pasta in itand it was just filled with

(11:31):
like cheese and oil andeverything.
This thing had to be likepushing 2 000 calories just like
in one meal.
I, I would fucking, oh, I wouldhammer, and it was so fucking
salty your mouth it would justdry out your mouth because they
put so much salt in it.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I, I still loved it and I, the cookie, the cookie
, uh the cookie brownie, uh, allthe cookie things they made, uh
, those are so freaking goodlike, but then, but going full
circle.
This is where I always say thisis where the genetic side of
this comes into play.
I can just eat more thaneverybody else.
Period like that, like my, myhunger cues when I feel full,

(12:07):
when I feel hungry, like I giveme, give me an 18 ounce t-bone
steak, two baked potatoes, alarge, um, like salad.
I can eat that whole meal andgive me an hour.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I'll do it again like it's nothing and I think that's
yeah, that's the kind ofdynamic I think that we there's
a lot of talk like metabolism,which you know sure plays a
factor right, but like a much, Iwould say, a larger factor
would just be that you're likehunger hormones cues, like you
know, if you feel just generallya lot hungrier, you're just
going to eat more calories.
That's kind of generally howthat works.

(12:38):
I was always super skinnybecause I'd eat these things but
like I couldn't, you know, goall in, basically like some
people you know definitely could.
But I'm, I'm kind of curiousthen.
So, okay, so you have, you haveall these issues, you gained
all this weight and then youdecided at some point, I'm
assuming, like okay, I, I, Imaybe got a little too far.
Did anything happen to sparkthat?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Or was it just like you kind of just woke up and
you're like I'm done?
So there's, there's a sequence.
Um, I was a junior in collegebecause I I had tried to lose
weight multiple times.
You know how that kind of worksgain 20, lose 20.
Or drop 20, gain 20, uh, allthis kind of stuff.
My, when I was a freshman incollege, I had a roommate that
said I couldn't work out for 30days straight.
And he's like and we made a betand I did, and I I made it like
28 and I just couldn't.
I didn't do the last three daysand it was a whole thing.
But the funny part was classicI put most of my effort into

(13:33):
working out and nothing innutrition back then.
Exactly, that's often.
That's often.
Well, they think they canoutwork a bad diet and outwork
the transformation.
It's just not how it works.
But I went through phases andoutwork the transformation.
It's just not how it works.
But I went through phases.
And then the big shift happenedwhen I was a junior in college
and I decided med school wasn'tfor me.
I was actually even at 400pounds, wanted to be a doctor

(13:53):
like my dad, and I decided medschool wasn't for me.
I was in this kind oftransformative period in my life
and I started hanging out witha new group of friends and part
of the friend group was intopersonal growth and development.
And so I read a book called theCompound Effect by Darren Hardy
and that book profoundly mademe change my perspective on

(14:16):
weight loss.
And it's the same thing in life.
I mean, it's a very simpleconcept, which is the quality of
your life is not in the bigdecisions.
Do you go keto, paleo,carnivore, do you do CrossFit or
this fitness routine?
Do you go to college?
Do you not go to college?
It comes down to thesefundamental daily habits.
Do you treat food with respect?

(14:36):
Do you nourish your body?
Do you daily habits?
Do you treat food with respect?
Do you nourish your body?
Do you do if like?
How do you do on a day-to-daybasis?
Number one and number two itchanges the perspective of when
you get to the size of three,four, five hundred pounds.
You see this, this 200 poundweight loss is so astronomically
impossible.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
You don't believe it's a big number you just don't
think it's possible.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
So, like you may, oh, I'm going to lose.
Like I'm going to do it.
And you lose 20 and I go, I got180 more.
So what?
And you and you loseperspective on it.
And that book made me shift fromhey, do you know, if you just
lose one to two pounds a weekfor 50 to a hundred weeks, you
lose a hundred to 200 pounds.
Shit, okay, I can wrap my headaround that.

(15:20):
And so when I was a junior incollege, I decided to stop
worrying about losing 200.
And I was 408 at the time and Isaid next Sunday I'm a 406.
Hit it Next Sunday 404.
Hit it Next Sunday 402.
And that massive shift fromstop trying to lose weight as
fast as possible, stop worryingabout losing 100, 200, just

(15:41):
focus on one to two pounds aweek and celebrating progress
was the start that made theshift.
I mean there's still a lot moreyou can unpack, but like that
fundamental shift.
So many people are trapped bythe idea of losing 100 plus
pounds that they can't wraptheir head around it, so they
just don't really try.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
And that's true.
Like you said, that's true witheverything.
You kind of look like I'm goingto do med school, like I'm
looking at like eight years orwhatever it is.
You're like all this work?
There's no way I do that.
I'm honestly like just talkabout just small things.
I'm talking about like cleaningmy house.
I look at my house.
It's a fucking wreck.
But basically always and I'mlike fuck it, I can't.
I'm not even doing this.

(16:23):
but if I go like okay, I'm gonnaclean the microwave I'm gonna
start just with like one deviceI'm gonna go and then I'm like,
okay, now I can do this room andthat, like just kind of
starting somewhere helps me outa lot now, like it can ping pong
a little bit, and then I end upcleaning my car out when I
haven't done shit in my house.
But, like you know, at leastyou're still going like you
might.
You might veer off course, butyou're still going right, at

(16:44):
least you're still moving.
Progress, progress orperfection, people.
Exactly, we talked about how,like just the mentality around
weight loss is really just asimportant as actually, like what
you're doing, because, as yousaid, it's the daily habits and
sticking to it.
And you know, like the ketosand all those sort of things are
super dope for losing weightquickly, but staying on that for
the rest of your life, mostpeople, most people aren't going

(17:06):
to do that you know what's thepoint?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
like I kind of say this all the time if you're
gonna, like, do some restrictivediet, I don't care, but if you
can't maintain it, what's thepoint?

Speaker 1 (17:17):
yeah, like, like, honestly, it actually puts you
in a worse position, like it'slike you get that hint of what
it's like to to be down theweight and then you lose it and
you're like now you feel evenworse and when the weight starts
to come back up because it will, because you, you know, in keto
you lost a lot of water, weightand whatnot and level out, then
you just get so fuckingdiscouraged, man, like that's,

(17:38):
and then it's so easy just tosay fuck it.
So, like I'm not anti-keto, I'mnot like, I'm not even anti
like low carb, like I love carbs, I'll always eat carbs.
But if there's a lot of peoplethat that stick to it for their
life, they just like low carband I think that's super dope
respect I and that that's thedogma of like the whole
nutrition diet world is like.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
A lot of times I push back personally on diet culture
, but it's funny to me becauseit's like I'm not here to say
you can't do intermittentfasting or low carb, or else you
just got to know why it worksand why it doesn't.
So you're not.
Breakfast is not making you fat.
People.
If you want to skip breakfastfor the sake of controlling
calories, fine, that's totallycool.
Yeah, but like thinkingbreakfast is somehow, oh my gosh

(18:21):
, just making me no it's notEating after 7 pm is what makes
you fat.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
The breakfast makes you fat.
It's all these little things.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
And it usually comes down to calories.
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
So I'm kind of curious then.
So when you started losingweight, you said you have like a
pretty you know strong appetite, right?
So like you know, I get thisasked a lot.
I just recorded a video on it.
I actually haven't fuckingedited it yet.
I got a lot of shit to do.
I got to clean my house too,Anyway.
So what were you?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
like.
I was just man, what you gotback there.
I was about to say you coathanger.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, for those listening, this is uh, uh what.
You know how you hang a curtain?
There's a rod for that.
It's called a curtain rod.
Now, I am not putting a curtainrod up for a curtain rod.
I my plan is and I've had thisfor months and I haven't done it
, but that's why, this wouldfall straight out the wall with
my ass like there's no way thisis holding me up.
That'd be a real bad.
I make a lot of bad decisions,but even for me, that would be a
real bad decision.
This is for a green screen Iwant to get.

(19:20):
I bought a green screen and Iwas just going to put it up on
the ceiling, basically, and justbe able to have a green screen
that I could take down or putthat.
So that's, that's my plan.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well, that's why I got a retractable one I've
thought about.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I looked at that as well, for for here I was just
like all right, let me justfucking buy a curtain rod at my
local fucking Walmart orwhatever.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
So, Liam, that makes total sense because your room
and you're cleaning your house.
All you got to do is drop agreen screen and no one can know
how just shambles your backbehind you is there we go.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I prefer people to know the shambles that I'm in,
because I feel like it makes memore relatable.
Like I get a lot of commentsfrom people like, hey, your
house is a fucking wreck, likemine is.
I'm like, yeah, it is, and youknow what?
I'm an influencer that's doingokay, so like you can do it too.
Uh, you don't need a cleanhouse to to be successful.
I don't know if that's themessage.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It doesn't matter what the real message is it was
so great when terry simpson cameon and he looked at your
background and my background.
It was like you two are justcompletely different people oh
no, I don't, I don't do thingsdr terry.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I love dr terry.
I was just talking to him.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I was just talking to him on instagram a couple days
ago yeah, don't you know alwaysmediterranean, okay, no, but
back to what I was saying.
I want to say I was saying Iwas just recording a video on
just like appetite and alwaysfeeling hungry.
So like I'm kind of curious,like because I do get asked a
lot like what were some of thethings that you did?
Obviously, diet soda, we got tothrow that one in there.
Of course, like zero calories,it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
If you don't want to drink it, don't drink it If you
prefer seltzer Cheers, davidCheers, other than the fact that
you drink Pepsi.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Gross.
I like when it comes to Cokeversus Pepsi, I actually do
prefer Coke.
Okay, as most people should,but specifically the Pepsi Lime.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I like the.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Pepsi Lime.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't think I've even seen the Pepsi.
Okay, but besides diet soda,what were some of the things
that you did that helped youkind of deal with the whole
insatiable appetite?
100%.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Number one, and I talk about this to almost an
obsessive level prioritizeprotein, of course, like eating
around 0.7 to 1 gram per poundin lean body mass and protein.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
So would you say of like goal weight, Because a lot
of people you know, if you're400 pounds, do you need 400
grams of protein?
Probably not.
No Lean body mass goal body.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
For the sake of it.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I usually say goal body weight because technically
the clinical research is leanbody mass, which is even lower
Technically.
I would especially people thathave the struggle and the
proclivity to hunger.
I would rather you lean onover-consuming protein than
under, because it's going tohelp you with calories.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Because, when you really crank on those protein
numbers's.
That's where these keto peopletend to help so much because
when they go low carb.
They tend to eat a lot of.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's not all fat.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
They're not eating all fat they're eating way more
protein than they're.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Than they're they're used to they're not doing an
actual keto diet with which is90 fat exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
They're going low carb, and that's always a fun
one too.
When they say keto, well, ketois actually 80 to 80 to 90
percent of your calories comingto fat.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
You're just doing low carb, like that's yeah and then
low carb tends to be higher inprotein yeah, which it helps
like fucking also I'll get intoit second, but it always drives
me crazy because, like, the ketoproducts are always super
fucking high in fiber, which is,you know, is another thing.
We'll get to that in a second,but so I want to say so, yeah,
if you're if and if you justwant to start and be like, okay,
just get over 100 grams ofprotein, like that's at least

(22:42):
somewhere to start, like that,that's fine, that that generally
will help a lot of people.
Um, do you have, did you have,any things that that you did for
protein that you're like ohyeah, I got all that.
You know, I did that all thetime for protein or whatever
something that helped you.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
My go-to is just like so many things in life make the
right decision as easy aspossible to do.
I've been doing it forliterally I don't know five to
seven years now.
I always have three pounds ofchicken titties and three pounds

(23:14):
of 91.9 green ground beef on meat all times and then I keep it
relatively on um uh spices,like not a lot of spicing, and
then I add spices after the fact, depending on the vibe.
Like I'm feeling more indian,I'll do I'll like.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
At the end of it I'll add some curries and stuff so
do you just cook it with otherthings, or do you just cook it
by itself and then I cook it byitself?
So, like I I do.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
I tended I've been in a shredded chicken phase lately
, so it's just throw chickenbreasts into a slow cooker and
shred it, um, and then I'mfeeling a barbecue sandwich and
I'll add some low sugar barbecuesauce and then put it into a
wrap and call it a day, or okay,I love these little tasty bites
.
Have you seen the brand tastybite?
I have not, so they have likebombay potato lentil.

(24:01):
They have a lot of differentstuff.
They're delicious and like.
A lot of times when you getthese like these microwavable
bag, like stuff like that, thefat tends to go crazy and then
the calories jump really fast.
The tasty bite brand they keepthe fat under control so the
calories don't go nuts and thefiber solid, um, so that's.
That's.
What I tend to do is like Ihave my chicken and beef lean

(24:23):
sources on hand and then I canmake.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
And then do you add, like when you go to eat it, okay
, wrap salads, like you can makeit.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
You can vibe it out really once.
Once the meat's cooked like,it's very easy to transition
into a salad, it's very easy tomake a wrap, it's very easy to
microwave it and turn it intowhatever.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, for people listen, like you could do.
Like I love the likepre-chopped salads.
I know they're fucking extraexpensive, whatnot, but like if
I have to cut it all myself, I'mprobably not gonna do it.
So you know, like I'm notsaving money because I'm just
throwing out fucking leaves.
Um, so, like the pre-choppedsalads, or, yeah, having the
wraps and obviously we talkabout the low carb wraps extreme
wellness, whatever extreme,well, it's my favorite, I love.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I love the fact they say wellness because it says
wellness it's automatically goodfor you.
It comes with a side of moringapowder because it says wellness
and so I love, I love the factthat I'm not a low carb keto guy
, but I tend to my.
My carb sources tend to be theketetos because they they're
higher.
Let's jump into that.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
So the next one like fiber super important, very
helpful, not only for your likehealth and everything, but also
for weight loss and we've talkedabout many times.
The average American gets like10 to 15 grams a day, very low,
generally.
Recommendations 25 grams a dayfor women, 38 ish for men.
I always say just kind of themore the better, until your

(25:40):
body's like no more, that's good.
So I you know you kind of haveto listen to your body on that,
but fiber can be extremelyhelpful for weight loss.
So picking things, especiallythings that have protein and
fiber and that is why I talkabout so much it's just like
beans have protein and fiber,like it's they each it's like
seven or eight grams of fiberand protein, depending on the
type of bean.
And like, yeah, I love that.

(26:00):
I just have canned beans andthey're already fucking cooked
and then I can make a wrap oryou can throw, you know whatever
.
I just throw it even with riceor whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Learning to cook.
Yeah, gotta learn to cook alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I'd say, just even starting with like the basics,
like I saw, you know what I madewas it was really good.
You take like the small lowcarb wraps, like the little mini
ones, you know what I'm saying.
You make pizza sauce, cheeseand then pizza toppings.
You stack one on top of theother throw in the air fryer and
then, yeah, it's just got likeit's like a kind of like a
little mini pizza.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Air fryer is like a cheat code for cooking.
Air fryer is really good man.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Crock pot.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Crock pot.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
It's kind of hard to mess up a crock pot.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, unless you're just dumping cheese like
Velveeta cheese in there, it'susually pretty good.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Using it as a fondue pot instead of crock pot oh yes.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Or we just watched the Super Bowl and we had the
crack dip in our family, whichis a whole brick of of velveta
cheese, a pound and a half ofbeef and then like the rotel,
whatever, which hey that'svegetables, that's.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
That is it's.
You're adding at least some,yeah that's the crack dip.
We only do that, at least agram of fiber in that, for sure,
I at least one.
Uh, okay, so yeah, fiber.
Did you have any other?
Like you know, like the fibersources are like the, you know
the like low carb, like highfiber things that you generally
go to, or is it so?

Speaker 3 (27:24):
protein bars.
I love chocolate.
I'm a I'm a whore for chocolate, so like I would say quest bars
, but three bucks a bar.
They can suck it like.
I just can't wrap my headaround it where I got a costco
kirkland protein bars are justas good as quest bars, and
they're a buck, a bar, yeah, solike protein bars is my go-to.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, they have the chocolate, so they have the
chocolate.
And uh, does the chocolate comewith the the?
No, the peanut butter comeswith the.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Uh, the cookies and cream.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
One cookies and cream , which I don't like, the
fucking cookies and cream one Iagree, but I like the peanut
butter one.
So I'm mad.
Uh, people tell me I can orderit online, but I haven't done
that yet.
It doesn't matter anyway.
And so then the the chocolatecomes with.
What does the chocolate comewith?
Cookie dough that's a greatcombo and that one's actually a
good one too.
So that's the pack.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, it's usually, I think, now like 21 for 20 bars
so, yeah, it's like the logicalanswer here is for you to save
up your cookies and cream barsand just send out oakley on the
street selling them to peoplestill selling.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I'll tell you she likes protein bars.
I eat a protein bar.
She's like give me somethinglike you want to eat this.
My wife's laughing becauseshe's like she fucking hates
protein bars for the most part,like if she'll find one she
likes occasionally, like a bearbells, always.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
You know it's like basically the david bars are
great, but they're three bucks abar and I just can't wrap my
head around it.
Yeah, I just I did.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I was surprised.
I didn't think they would begood because they're 150
calories and 28 grams of proteinwhich is how they do it wild.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's magic they use?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
they use modified plant fat which is not absorbed,
which you don't get caloriesfrom.
They modify the plant fat soyou don't absorb it.
Now I'm kind of wondering ifyou overdo it.
Are you just pooping out fatglobules?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I just smashed, you like?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
four balls, let me know, yeah, if you just, I can't
imagine it's got like becausethe fat has to go out of you if
you can't absorb it Right, solike there's only one way that's
going.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Now here's a tip.
This is super important Proteinbars.
I talk about this constantly.
Um, because of marketing andmarketers suck and they lie to
you.
Um, everything says protein.
On the front of it now yeah, um.
Run of it now yeah, um, that'sjust the current thing and so,
tip of the day, if you'relooking at protein bars, my
go-to strategy is 10 in totalcalories needs to be in protein.

(29:32):
So if you're eating somethingwith 180 calories, I want to see
18 grams of protein.
If you're eating something with240 calories, I want to see 24
grams of protein.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
If you're keeping that ratio, you're actually
eating a protein bar yeah, I'llsay like, if it's got 20 grams
of protein, just add a zero 200.
Is that how it's set, of 200calories or under?
Perfect that's good, you'regood, yeah, exactly, and if it's
a little off, like the RobertIrving bars are like 16 grams of
protein, 190 calories, you'relike.
If that's the one you like, hey, that's cool, it's close.
Lot of them will be like eightgrams of protein 250 calories

(30:04):
and you're like what the?
that's a what I can eat peanutbutter and it's the same
snickers protein bar it's likethat's that doesn't work it's
not how it works.
So, yes, uh, those are great,definitely microwave, though if
you don't really like tomicrowave them for like 10
seconds.
The kirkland protein bars I'dsay that's better.
Uh, but protein bars and thosealso have like 12 grams of fiber
, I think like 11, 12 grams offiber, which is super helpful.

(30:26):
So, like, if you can find thatcombo of protein and fiber,
whether it's in a whole foodlike beans, or a protein bar or
whatever it is, uh, you knowthat can definitely be helpful,
so anything.
So you got protein fiber dietsoda, of course, or there are
zero, whatever zero calorie, ifI can drink you like it doesn't,
doesn't matter anything else.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
You guys that with those um, and then outside of
that, I think it's superimportant it's not talked about
enough is relationship with food, from the sense of people using
food to cope with stress andlike and that whole game like,
um, if you find that you'reeating adequate protein you're
eating mostly whole food and youhave these binges and you're

(31:05):
still hungry all the time, youhave to start to ask the
question yourself why am I stillhungry?
And oftentimes, people use foodto cope with stress, and that's
going to be a just.
You're going to have to askyourself like, am I stressed and
am I using food to deal with it?
Like that's something that'spersonal?
Um, but gosh, it affects somany people.
So many people use food to cope, just like alcohol for stress,

(31:29):
just like so many things forstress people.
Do you work?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
because don't you work with like do you work with
clients?

Speaker 3 (31:34):
at all, yeah, so I pull back heavy.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
But yeah, I still have a couple.
Yeah, so I'm just so, over theyears I'm sure you've done it
and like I'm sure you've dealtwith people dealing with stress,
any like things that havegenerally helped them, or like
that helped you during yourprocess, or just like you know
what do you think?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
so biggest thing to me there is you don't stop bad
habits.
You fill the void of bad habitswith better ones so like you
just don't stop stress eating.
It's like there's, there's, sothere's two sides to your
situation.
You have number, you havestress, and what is bringing
stress in your life, and thingsyou can control, work through.

(32:11):
Hey, if you have a job that youhate, maybe pivoting jobs is
something you should look into.
If you have a relationshipthat's close to you a friend, a
family member, whatever that'sjust driving a lot of stress in
your life, maybe you need to getout of those stressful
situations so you can lower that.
And then, number two,stress-relieving outlets.

(32:32):
So like, okay, food is not agood stress-relieving outlet.
Maybe it's working out, maybeit's meditation, prayer, like
cathartically talking to afriend, whatever yoga, playing
with kittens.
Playing with kittens, playingwith puppies, um, shooting guns
is quite stress relieving.
Like, just just just likestraight up in the air, that

(32:53):
sounds very american.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah yosemite sam style.
Yosemite sam style.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I just want to go straight up in the air, just
boom boom boom boom, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
I've seen a thousand ways to die or whatever that
show was, and I think a few ofthem are just falling bullets.
It's it's.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It's like all all you need is a target and a shotgun.
It's like I feel like having acupcake and like you shoot a can
and it's like the cupcake tastethat you got.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
It's just gone or shoot the cupcake or shoot the
cupcake now we're getting into,like that I just covered, like
to cover that a little while ago, like one of those like ed
fucking hacks.
Or like, oh, just ruin the food, pour pickle juice over
whatever you're eating so youdon't want to eat it anymore,
yeah, no.
Or, like you know, pour coffeegrounds on it.
You know that's what a lot ofyeah.
And I'm like I don't recommendthat.

(33:35):
I don't know if that's that's,is that a long-term strategy?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I I don't get it like I.
It goes into like the,everything else.
Like my business partner, johnum, he's been down 300 for eight
, nine years now and I respectthe shit on him for this, but I
I challenged him on it um, hedidn't eat a normal slice of
pizza for six years during hisweight like did he have like

(33:59):
alternatives to like pizza slice?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
yeah, he did the low carb ones.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
He did the cauliflower ones, but he was
because he's a New York Italianguy and so like pizza was like a
safety blanket for him.
So he was afraid, after losingthe weight, to incorporate it
back.
And I'm like I remember havinga conversation with him.
I'm like, bro, you realizeyou're still going to die.
I know you can go your wholelife with.
If you want to do that, it'stotally fine, it's your life.

(34:25):
I know you can go your wholelife with.
If you want to do that, it'stotally fine, it's your life.
But if I, personally, if I knewthat I I lost 10 minutes of
life for some pizza, I'm okaywith it.
Like I'm going to have somepizza, I'm okay with losing 10.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Who wants to live to a hundred anyway?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
It's just, it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Johnson 3000 or whatever it is for anybody he's
the anti-aging guy or whateverhe's trying to like basically
live forever or whatever.
Do all his different likesupplements and everything uh,
dad brian johnson is liver kingoh, literally wait oh brian, I
was thinking of no brian johnson, you're thinking um who's?

(35:03):
What's the guy's name?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
uh no I thought it was brian johnson isn't it?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
oh okay, now we're gonna have to find.
You're thinking what's theguy's name?
I think it's Brian Johnson.
No, I thought it was BrianJohnson, isn't it?
Okay now we're going to have tofind out.
I'm just looking up, I'm justGoogling.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Brian Johnson yeah, I think Brian Johnson's the
longevity guy.
Am I right?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Brian Johnson longevity.
What is it?
Oh, that guy.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Okay, no, that guy Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Okay, I that guy, okay Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
I was going to say I feel pretty confident in this.
I don't know Liver King's realname, I don't even know.
Is it Brian?
Are there two?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Wait, is Liver King.
Does he have the?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
same name as Brian Johnson.
That would be wild if-.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I'm looking up what's Liver King's real name.
I'm spelling all of this wrong.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Liver King is also Brian Johnson.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
What it is brian with a y is.
Live forever brian and brianand and liver king.
Brian is I bro.
That is fascinating.
I actually didn't.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I never connected I never knew that that's funny.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Well, there we go, so so we're both right so we're,
we're all correct, everyone'scorrect.
Oh shit, I've seen like a couplebrian brian with y has been
doing a couple videos where he'sjust like I can't believe this
is a real thing and he has likecrumble cooking.
It's like it's so horrible foryou and soda and regular soda is
so horrible and I'm just likelike I totally get that, but
like has anyone eaten, like youknow, crumble cookies for their

(36:15):
health?
They ever eat like a caramelcookie and be like I'm, but then
healthy.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Dave asprey was the person I thought you were.
Dave asper, okay, but the thingwith brian johnson.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
The guy is like again , they're all gimmicky because
I'll never forget when he likeagain, do you Like whatever?
Whatever you want to spend yourmoney on, cool, do you?
But, like he, when you sayclinical research and you're
objectively saying it wrong,you're going to get challenged.
He had a video of him talkingabout how hand strength

(36:44):
correlates with longevity.
Had a video of him talkingabout how, uh, hand strength
correlates with longevity.
So he was doing the freakinghand squeezers and like
strengthening his hand grip fortrying to live longer.
And I'm like, bro, that's notwhat that study's saying.
Like that, like there's no.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Like, that's not like so I see this a lot where it's
like this correlates with, youknow, like longevity, and it's
just more like, and so, like youlook at something like, say,
cholesterol, people will pointout like when you have higher
cholesterol, they live longer,and it's like more like.
So, like you look at somethinglike, say, cholesterol, people
will point out like when youhave higher cholesterol, they
live longer, and it's like, well, when you get cancer, that
fucking tanks your cholesterol,right?
So that means people who are,you know, dying of cancer have
super low cholesterol.

(37:16):
So it might show that, like,having higher is beneficial.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's why risk is J curve.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I've learned this one it's a J curve, yes, so like,
yeah, they're doing all theseextra things, like, yeah, hand
strengthening, like, if you wantto like, sure, but I don't
think I doubt that's going tomake you live, oh.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I just like Brian you want to live longer.
Look at this study.
He's just doing squeezers andI'm like bro, that's not what
that study is saying Like that'sjust not risk of falling off a
building.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Maybe I like, if you're, if you're a rock climber
, like he, literally like hismorning routine is three hours
long and it's like fucking thered light therapy and all the
supplements and all thesedifferent things.
So, like you know, honestly Ican't hate him, like like listen
, dude, I think, I think it'sinteresting, we'll, we'll be
able to, you know, we'll be ableto see.
And he says himself likeeveryone thinks I'm, most people
think I'm weird and I totallyget it.
But like I'm just gonna do thisjust to try and find out what's

(38:09):
the limit for when you doeverything right, when you take
your son's blood and put itinside of you, does that help at
all?
That's a real.
I'm not making that one up.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
No, you're not making that up and the crazy one to me
.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
That too is it popped up on social media.
There are currently a thousandpeople across the world they're
they're in cryotherapy right now.
Did you know that they're?
Currently there are a thousandpeople um around the world that
are in cryotherapy, meaning likethey're frozen right now.
Okay, um, because whether theywere getting towards the end of
life and they just they knowthey're going to die, students

(38:44):
are terrified.
So they're in crowd, likethey're, they're like froze in
in what's considered suspension,like in a frozen, slowed down
heart rate, all this kind ofstuff.
Yeah, um, or they have someterminal disease and they like
slowed down their metabolism andput them in this cryotherapy or
whatever keeping their brainfunctioning, but basically
everything else is stopped.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Like there's a thousand people right now that
done that thousand people that'sI mean that number sounds about
right for me, because there's alot of people you know,
especially if you're likewealthier or something oh, you
gotta be super rich right to dothat.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
So I guess I get it like I don't know, I'm not well,
I mean, if they die, they loseit, so they may as well risk
trying to keep it right.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
See what happens, see what happens Like yeah.
So I can't you know, maybe StarWars is going to come around
and you're just going to getthawed out and you'll just have
one of those little headaches orwhatever.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I just found that one fascinating.
There's thousands of peoplethat are in like this.
What's going to happen?
I don't know, but they paid forit.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Where are we storing them, cool?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I don't know, there's like, there's like a whole
thing in Russia and which ishysterical.
There's a whole thing in.
Russia and it is a thing inAmerica, somewhere Interesting.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Interesting, but anyway, uh, losing weight.
So so you know, help therelationship with food stress.
I was going to say for yourthing, like I think it's really
important just to find anotheroutlet.
Also, people go to like the gym.
They lose weight, but a lot ofthat isn't just from, isn't
because of like the caloriesthey burn at the gym.

(40:10):
They just leave the house, theyhave another hobby, they're
doing something else and so,like you know, just finding
you're thinking of eating lessyeah, all the above it just if I
mean like, just the idea ofwhatever fitness, now that
that's super important.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Like again, fitness doesn't have to be punishment
and it shouldn't be punishment.
So like, whatever, whateverfitness.
I love bodybuilding, I love the, the, the process of it.
I love putting on lean muscle.
That's person like mygirlfriend.
She loves crossfit.
I loathe it with a passion.
I'm like you do you like youlove that, keep doing it.
I know I'm good.

(40:45):
Um, I've done it before.
I blew out my right shoulderdoing it.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'll, uh, I'm good I like the martial arts.
I do like muay thai kickboxing.
I really enjoy that.
My fucking man I I kicked someguy's fucking knee with my toe.
That shit swelled up so I can'tcurl my toes.
It's it's not, but I do enjoythis as well, that's what you
get for toe exercise uh, don'tkick someone in the knee with

(41:08):
your toe.
Not a good idea, uh you learnedthat in soccer as a kid it's
kick with the top of your foot,you know just for the side
inside find something you enjoyagain is an outlet.
So okay, so we got proteinfiber.
You know relationship with food, you know find an outlet, that
sort of thing.
Anything else you want to addon top of that, or diet soda, of

(41:30):
course.
How do I forget the diet soda?
Diet soda Got to hit it again,this whole episode, just keep
mentioning it.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I mean it goes off a little bit of the whole
relationship with food side ofthings, but it plays a huge role
.
Law of association who yousurround yourself with most is
who you become okay.
Yeah, so like if all you'rehanging around is your friends,
all they do is drink too muchalcohol and just like it's just
it played, like it doesn't meanyou have to like I want to make
sure it's known.
You don't have to cut thesefriends off, but you have to be

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thinking to yourself how muchtime am I spending with them?
Because their actions do blendinto yours and so it's.
I'm not this type of personwhere it's like you need to cut
off these people.
It's like, no, you just have tolimit exposure so that you have
a balance of of of influence.
Um, because again, if all yourfriends do is just go out and

(42:23):
binge alcohol and binge food allthe time and you're just going
to just sit there and go, I'llget my salad Like it's just the
good luck, totally get that.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I'm kind of curious.
When you started losing weight,did you start counting calories
early on?
Or were you just like I'm justdoing a few things and then
eventually you got into that?
Or when did that come along?

Speaker 3 (42:51):
How it started, because I went through a pretty
solid personal diet culturephase.
Um, because how I started?
You know chris and heidi powell, chris powell, heidi powell
they were extreme weight loss onabc back in the day.
Um, so, uh, I started with aprogram that they ran, which was
carb cycling um the carbcycling and so I started carb
cycling, which ultimately got mehigh protein, and then it was
carving like up, like high carb,low carb days.

(43:11):
But then you start and I wascounting calories too.
Um, and then you get hooked on.
Wow, every time I go low carb,I lose more weight yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, and phonics.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
And hooked on phonics and so freaking.
Then it got me to do low carbmore consistently.
Then I was pretty much low carbfor an extended period of time.
Then you start getting into thecarb insulin model side of
things.
So then I started looking intofasting and Fung and all this
stuff and Jason Fung and I wentdown the fat insulin model stuff

(43:50):
and I went through fastingphases and low carb and I
started with just carb cyclingand it kind of transitioned me
all the way into the dietculture side of fearing carbs
and even to the point this isgoing to hurt.
I thought diet soda was part ofthe reason why I was 400 pounds

(44:13):
and so in the early stages of myweight loss without diet soda
how long?
Two years, two years, two yearsI I thought it was better that
I had five grams of regularsugar drinks, like say, like it
had five grams of sugar canesugar.
I thought that was better foryou than having a diet soda.
So I went through a whole phasewhere I stopped diet soda and
I'd have a little bit of sugarcane sugar.
I thought that was better foryou than having a diet soda.
So I went through a whole phasewhere I stopped diet soda, I
did not have a little bit ofsugar drinks, um, and then you
follow the clinical research andyou stay open-minded and you go

(44:36):
, oh, that was bullshit, and I'mback to my diet I drank zevia
for a long time because it wasstevia.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I was like oh, that's better, that's natural.
I did that for a little while.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I tried while I tried and I took two sips and threw
it out I will say their gingerroot beer.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Not bad, I'll still drink that from time to time.
But a lot of their flavors,their lemon lime, tastes like
battery acid and whoever came upwith that should be fired.
But you know like it's.
You know, whatever you,whatever zero calorie you like,
that doesn't matter.
If you like zevia, nope, um,okay, I'm just.
I was just kind of curiousbecause the calorie counting,
because a lot of times whenpeople start they just start
doing like anything that theysee that works like on tv or

(45:11):
whatever it is, and theneventually you kind of get
usually later into the do youcount calories now?
Do you still go through?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
phases.
Um, it just depends.
Like, if I'm interested inmaintenance phase, I don't
really think about it too much,okay, um, I have my general, my
go-to meals.
I do like a like two indulgencemeals a week and I just kind of
eat to my plan and I'm justkind of in routine, okay, um,
and then if I'm in a intentionalcut, then I will track macros

(45:39):
and really kind of hone in, um,like I think I'm gonna, I'm
competing again this fall and soI'm on a cut right now, kind of
leaning out, and then once weget towards like summertime,
I'll do like a 12 to 14 weekhard cut, um, where I'll compete
again in bodybuilding this nextfall.
So then at that point then I'mlike weighing out my food, doing
all that kind of stuff, um, butit just it depends on what

(46:00):
season I'm in doing, being down200 pounds for 10 years now, it
just depends yeah, I mean say,for most people, like you know,
just counting calories likepermanently just seems like so
much work.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's a lot and a lot of just stress and effort, like
I just you know, and a lot oftimes we eat the same things
over and over again.
So once you learn what thatexactly is, once you once you
figure that out, like you'regood now.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
But flip side of the coin, though I think it's super
important, I get so sick ofthese rds that are the intuitive
eaters and they have thisfundamental idea like again, I'm
a huge advocate for intuitiveeating and have a there's so
many good pillars of it a goodrelationship with food, a good
self-image, all this kind ofstuff is great.
But then it starts to go to thefringe of like any type of

(46:44):
restriction is in a disorderedeating.
Like if you're trackingcalories.
It's disordered.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I'm like it can be disordered, it's not inherently
disordered and the thing isbecause it's always shades of
gray, right it's never just likeand now it's disordered, like
there's this kind of little grayarea.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
In order for it to be inherent, you have to learn
what that even is, exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
So I think, yeah, like short term counting
calories, just to figure out howmany calories are in the
general things you eat the most,it's very helpful, very helpful
, just like.
It's a great tool.
Yeah, I mean, even if you'renot like counting them up like
every day and then adding themall up, just like what am I
eating these things?
Let me look up how manycalories are in these things.
You you'd be surprised withsome of the things you eat.

(47:29):
You're like, holy shit, Ithought a whole pizza had 500
calories.
It's more like almost 500calories a slice, like I mean
it's not that, but like justpizza is literally 500 calories,
it's like 450.
Some the giant.
You get those big giant likethe jets, the big square deep
dish and it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Like listen, and I dip in ranch.
When I do it, I do it some, soI'm dipping my my pizza and
ranch too, so like just send itI get it well, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
So we talked about that, but before we go, I know
you, we definitely wanted totalk about your, you know,
anti-diet diet club.
So get, definitely, give us alittle bit on what you're doing
now.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah so, uh, we're about to be having a private
screening here shortly.
About 18 months ago, oh, youhave so many documentaries out
there, uh, in the nutritionspace that are mostly bullshit,
mostly bullshit.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
You got you got an agenda.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
You know right like there's yeah, all my dad and I
watched what the health together, and when they said eating an
egg was equivalent to smokingtwo cigarettes.
My dad just lost it.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
I think it was five cigarettes.
Was it five cigarettes?
I think it was five cigarettes.
One egg is five cigarettes andyou're just like, oh my gosh,
what is this?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
And it's so funny because I'm like, I'm an
advocate to eat more fruits andvegetables.
People Like no one saturatedfat has limits Like no one's
saying it does, but like it's,it's exhausting, but there's
just so many diets Like there's,so there's.
There's been very few grounded,evidence-based look at the big
picture documentaries out there.

(48:58):
And so myself, john and thedirector Josh came together to
create the anti-diet diet club.
The director Josh came togetherto create the Anti-Diet Diet
Club.
It is an inspirational momentumstart for obesity
transformations, extreme weightloss.
Me and five other friends Dalton, des, levi, john all of us

(49:19):
together have lost a combined1,400 pounds, and between the
six of us we've been done 1400pounds for 60 years of time,
maybe something like that.
50 years of time, um and so, uh, weight loss surgery not weight
loss surgery.
Medications, not medications.
Just giving the the fullobjective.

(49:41):
Look at what it what it waslike to be 400 pounds or being
extreme overweight.
What got us there?
Um, and then the decision tomake change.
And, like that, that balance offault versus responsibility.
Where it may not be your fault.
You had this, uh, traumaticevent in your childhood that
made you use food to cope withstress, but it is your

(50:03):
responsibility to deal with it,like you.
There's no other way around it.
And so, and that transition towhat?
How do you go about making theshift?
Um, and then then medicalintervention, the science behind
weight loss, surgery andmedications and how they're
helpful, um.
And so we help a friend of mine,ben, start his journey.
Uh, he started this.
He started the doc 18 monthsago.

(50:25):
He's a.
I love him.
Today he's.
He does not have a mean bone inhis body.
He's the most like, lovablelittle gut, like I call what
you're saying is all his bonesare humorous all right, that'll
do it for us everybody.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Have a nice night, mike.
Drop your worst.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
That was funny, um, and so he was 5'6", 5'7", 360
pounds.
I love him to death.
He was a bowling ball.
He was a bowling ball and superhorrible sleep apnea.
Honestly, he was worse than meat 400 plus when it comes to
health.

(51:01):
You could just see it.
He had such bad sleep apneathat he'd fall, fall asleep
driving type level.
That happened, yeah, and so wehelp him start his journey and
I'm not going to give it away,but in 18 months he's doing
really well and you're gonnahave to watch the documentary to
find out how well he's doing.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
And not crazy, very sustainable, not sexy it's carb
cycling, intermittent fasting,all the, all, the all the secret
stuff, and so um but yeah, it'sgoing really well.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Um, so we're having a private screening in march in
grand rapids.
Um, liam, if you want to come,you're welcome to it.
I can give you the informationon it march.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Um, that's pretty soon yeah it's march 8th, but
we're, and so we're to find it.
Though, what do we just look up?
What do they?
What do they do to to find itwhen it comes out?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
so yeah, so how it's working right now is we are
negotiations with netflix,amazon and a lot of other
streaming platforms.
Okay, um, we're going to gomajor streaming platform and
we're in a good position.
So, as this private screeninghappens, we're actually in
negotiations right now on wherewe're going to be on it.
So, as soon as we have asolidified location, um, you can
just follow the instagram isthe easiest way to stay

(52:10):
connected with it and where it'sgoing to go.
Um, but, yeah, that's, that'sthe the process right now they
can also follow you on instagram.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Where do they find you follow?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
me, where do they underscore d rock?
And then the instagram foranti-diet diet club is anti-diet
diet club, doc, doc, um, andthen you can actually watch the
trailer on anti-diet diet club,doccom well, we're in
moderationnet.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
we couldn't get thecom, so ours is unique enough
.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah, like anti-diet, anti-diet diet club doc or
anti-diet diet clubcom was gone,but AntiDietClubcom was good.
I love it.
I feel like everything's takennowadays.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Oh, it's fucking Nothing's original anymore, guys
.
Everything's just been fuckingdone.
And I'm just at the point whereeverything's reused and redone.
It's just like whatever it doesA little spin.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, exactly, just like Liam's mug from Ben.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I just do it the same thing, but with more dick jokes
.
That's pretty much all my.
That's the really maindifference.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I just Because I said some amazing things that no
one's else heard before.
I missed that.
No, I was just saying, and I,this doctor, like, what about
weight loss?
I said such amazing things thatno one's ever heard before.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
You have to watch to find out First time.
Dun, dun, dun.
Yeah, we'll have a privatescreening of that, in moderation
, just for everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's the game.
That's the game.
We need all the secrets, butthat's how you sell the stuff,
you know?
That's what I'm saying.
Like, you need those secrets.
Everyone wants it man and someof some of the shit I'm getting
tagged in now.
It's like, hey, are you?
People talk about losing one totwo pounds a week?
How about once to one to twopounds a day?
And like these things and likethose videos are blowing up oh,
have you seen the hyper ketosisdude, the hyper ketosis.

(53:54):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yep, exactly I've I've made videos on them and
it's just like, it's just soannoying, it's like bro you're
just doing high protein, lowcalories that's you made Oakley
cry, I heard

Speaker 1 (54:04):
that.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
You made Oakley cry for bringing him up.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I probably have to get going here soon.
She has not been fuckingsleeping.
We went to Kosai.
I had a whole plan.
I was like she'll sleep around2 o'clock for this.
Perfect no.
When you have fuckingone-year-olds, they say whatever
your plans are, get out of herewith that shit.
You're in that.

(54:30):
I own you dad.
Seriously, this kid man, you'regonna change my diaper now.
Oh, that kid cries when Ichange your time.
Like you want to just sit therewith poop in your butt.
I don't think so you know oh man, for one year olds man, I'm
telling you, it keeps me busyand you know that's.
I'll tell you that much I keepyou burning your calories for
shit, else I just I, I try andfilm everything when she's
napping.
That's like.
The only time I have to dothings is when she's napping,
like let me go fucking eat thisweird vegan bacon that I just

(54:53):
made that's made out of ricepaper.
Sure, let me go do that realquick Before she wakes up.
Wasn't good, by the way?
No, bad, didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Who would?