The Other Side of the Aisle: Chatting with Santa Cruz Medicinals

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, welcome to In Moderation episode 30.
Thanks for joining us, liam,after leaving us hanging for 20
minutes.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, I know, because you guys have three kids and
know how hard it is to put themto sleep?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
No, you don't.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
You don't okay.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
It's not easy.
I have dogs, you know.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Listen, I've got four of those too.
All right, I'm working with one, I've got here.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
This episode we have brought on.
You know what I'm gonna?
I'm gonna butcher your lastname, aren't I?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
no, no worries.
Brendan ru, ru, ru.
Is that what it is?
I never knew it, never knew itwas ru you never knew it was ru
yeah, I thought it was santa cru, brendan, santa Cruz, yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Santa Cruz, brendan, santa Cruz, that's even better.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
We'll just call you SC for short, okay.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
That's perfect.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, excited to be here, guys.
I'm stoked that you guysstarted this podcast and I've
seen clips, I've seen someepisodes.
It's just great.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, and I'm excited because generally we bring
people on who like pretty muchjust always agree with us on
everything, and you know likethat's cool yeah, but like
that's also kind of boring right, so like we don't want to have
an echo chamber exactly.
We need to bring someone onwho's on the other side of the
proverbial grocery aisle.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
If you will, that's what we I think, I think you
know we'll find and as we'vetalked about before, that we
align on a lot of most things Ithink most things yeah, before
the episode started, rob and Iwere talking about, just like,
various outdoor activities thatwe like and, yeah, like I think
one of the things that everybodyis aligned on is the fact that
this young generation isspending too much time indoors

(01:41):
in front of a screen.
Yeah, and that's an issue.
There's so many things, bothnutritionally and just life and
activity wise, I think wetotally align on.
But yeah, man, I love doingthese things.
Like you know, I've never a lotof people in the space that I'm
in, for some reason, just won'ttalk with you guys.
They just try to make enemies.

(02:03):
I don't know what it is, youknow.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, and that's a lot of times Liam and I get
asked both.
Do the people ever respond tous?
Yeah, and what do we thinkabout Santa Cruz?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, those are the two questions we get asked a lot
.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
We get asked those a lot and they kind of go together
because we have respect forBrendan, because he is one of
the people that actually hasdialogue with us.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I feel like some of these
other creators want to thinkthat they know everything Right
and when they make a statementthey'll never want to go back on
it because it hurts their brand.
What I've learned about some ofthese folks and I won't name any
names, but they prioritizetheir brand over everything and

(02:51):
I run my brand.
My co-founder, joe, doesn'tcare about social media.
He doesn't care about it at all.
He's completely off socialmedia.
It's so funny.
I'll have to text him himlittle Instagram stories that I
do to keep.
If it's like a life update vibe, like Joe, check out this video
.
So I think one of the issuesthere is when they have a lot of

(03:12):
people in their ear and tellingthem hey, you need to protect
the brand and do this.
I don't have that going on.
I can come on and be like heyguys, I was wrong about this
thing about artificialsweeteners.
I was completely wrongMisinterpreted a study, read
something wrong, heard badinformation.
I was wrong and I can changeand what I've really realized is
people just want to feel betterand feel healthy and I've

(03:36):
started to change my contentover the last year.
I think everybody has seen itwhere I'm like you know what?
Some of the stuff that I wassaying was too strict, some of
the stuff I was saying probablywouldn't serve certain groups of
people, and that, coupled withstories of people being like hey
, man, I was obese, diet, sodoes my crutch.
It's helped me lose a hundredpounds, right, how could I hate

(03:59):
on that?
That is a plus.
And every metric, it doesn'tmatter what that thing is.
They could say I punch myselfin the chest every day and
that's the one thing that helpedme lose 100 pounds.
I mean, I'd probably say not dothat, but that's still a you
know.
You probably shouldn't say stopdoing that.
So yeah, I've definitelychanged a lot of my opinions
over the last year.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think that's an interesting idea because of a
lot of these people yeah, wedon't really have to name any
specific names, but they kind ofput themselves up on this
pedestal right and everyone kindof looks up to them and then if
they're wrong, yeah, it almostkind of feels like, yeah, a hit
to them and that's.
I think you're right on that.
But people will also respond ifyou come out and say, hey, you
know what I thought this thing,but here's why I now believe

(04:40):
this and here's why I changed mymind.
People will respect that.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, that builds a way more respectable brand.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, I think people that are intelligent will
respect that and I'm trying tobuild a community of intelligent
people that want to dial intheir health.
And I think there's opinions oncertain things that I've
refined and sort of come to aconclusion of, like I like
having the discourse, you know,like with the whole raw milk
thing.
Like wow, I was wrong aboutthat, I thought it had more

(05:07):
lactase and raw milk than therewas.
There's trace amounts prettynegligible.
Like you're better off taking alactase enzyme, digestive
enzyme.
You'll get 300 times the amountof lactase or something you
know.
So it's like yeah, but stufflike that.
I feel like I, I I realize, likewell, I'm like, oh, okay, I was
wrong this.
And then I just sort of try torefine my position where I do

(05:27):
still buy raw milk, I genuinelydo like it, I like the taste, I
like it, I feel good, I haven'tgotten ill from it.
But what I, my kind ofconclusion now is you know what?
They should probably require anID 21 or up to buy this and
there should be a warning on it.
So I don't know what are yourguys' thoughts about that?
So what if?
Okay, what if it had-.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Jumping straight into the raw milk.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, jumping straight into the raw milk.
Okay, what if it had a bigwarning on it and you had to be
21 or over to buy it?
What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I think that would be a step in the right direction,
at least yeah, at least Like inregards to raw milk and the
benefits that we see in theliterature that are possible.
Obviously, with these studiesthere's only a couple of them

(06:18):
and so we can't really say it'sproven or disproven at any given
point so far, and that's onething.
I do notice that with peoplearguing against you, they're not
particularly accounting for thefact that these things are
still possible, these benefitsare still possible.
They're not disproven yet.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I think the people arguing against me make a really
good point of if you buyconventional pasteurized dairy,
especially like low temppasteurized, that's available in
many places, and then you alsoadd in yogurt or a probiotic
dairy product into your life,you will get all the benefits
that raw milk theoreticallywould have because there are

(07:00):
some probiotics that are inthere from not getting heated
because there are someprobiotics that are in there
from not getting heated.
Where I was like I do need tosort of change my thing here is
because people going and buyingraw milk from some random person
in the parking lot of a Walmartbecause they heard that it's
going to enhance their health somuch that it's worth it to do

(07:20):
that, I wouldn't do that, youknow, like I wouldn't drink raw
milk from just some randomperson, you know, when I went
out to that raw farm thing, youknow, in raw farm I would
definitely say is very guilty ofyou know saying all these
benefits of raw milk thathaven't been proven.
I think that's pretty fair tosay.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Um, but they do have an interesting process at their
farm for keeping the cows clean.
It's pretty.
You guys would love to see it.
It's very interesting.
I'm sure you'd love to see it,rob.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
But um, with that they're sort of acknowledging
how quick things can go wrongwith right dairy and I think I
just I don't think I've seenjust enough information on the
possible benefits of raw milk.
I haven't seen in theliterature enough support to
make it more readily available.

(08:13):
But I'm also torn because Ialso believe you should be able
to do whatever you want, like ifyou're an adult, you kind of
make your own decisions.
So it's a tough thing.
The main problem I have when Isee it that makes me just like
seize up inside when they giveit to kids, when I give it to
children, yeah yes, that'sthat's the biggest thing for me.
I'm just like, oh, that, I justI don't like that at all.
Every part of me hates that.

(08:34):
Like, if you're an adult andyou want to do something, I
think you, if you get here's theinformation you have, you make
the right decision.
If you want to smoke cigarettes, you can smoke cigarettes.
I think it's a stupid-ass idea,but it's, you're an adult and
you can choose to smokecigarettes.
It's just like children like,oh, I don't like it, that's my
thought yeah, for sure, sourcingcan be an issue.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think if they required an ID and they had some
warnings on it that this foodcan expose you to pathogens and
bacteria and it can be an issue.
I would be interested in seeingsomething like that, or maybe
you know a testing protocol thatwent into place along with that

(09:14):
.
One thing I think is veryinteresting, though or like what
I wouldn't want it to spiralinto is you, you guys both know
that like sushi has killed manypeople sushi, oysters, lettuce,
you know stuff like that.
Obviously, those foods aresomething that you do not have
to drink raw milk and you dohave to eat food of some sort.
And if you take like sort ofthe main things that can get
people ill in terms of, like Ecoli on lettuce sushi obviously

(09:38):
is up there raw fish it gets tothis point where I'm like, well,
well, dan, like I realized, rawmilk can get people ill, but I
don't think we should make itillegal or spend a bunch of tax
dollars enforcing it.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think we should slap a big warning on it Boom 21
and over, go for it With thelettuce thing, though it's not
like the thing with between rawmilk we have pest pasteurized
milk and we have raw milk.
It's not like we havepasteurized lettuce and regular
lettuce, that we can choosebetween the two of them.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
It's funny you say that, because we do have?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Do we have pasteurized lettuce?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
It's not pasteurized, but we do have ways that we
like we wash our produce inorder to reduce the risk.
Right and so it's like a riskreduction to it.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's always there, though, kind of with the is when
it comes to something likelettuce.
So we don't really just havethe two options.
So like if there were twooptions, they were like we're
going to make this one versionof lettuce illegal and we're
only going to use this.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'd be like.
I guess I get it like Iunderstand what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
But again, like I also believe you know, if you're
an adult, do what you want.
So, like I think you knowalcohol, I think cigarettes, all
these things we're like, yeah,can do those things.
We know they're not good foryour health, but we allow you to
.
We say you're an adult and youcan choose to do them if you
want to.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, the alcohol thing is really funny.
I definitely always appreciateyour guys posts when a health
influencer of some sort I got tobring this up, I'm sorry.
We got to transition to thisbecause holy shit, brendan.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
What the fuck is up with these health and wellness
influencers that are likepointing out everything in the
grocery store, saying it's toxic, and then promoting alcohol,
giving promo codes for it,drinking it like what?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
what is going on?
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know exactly what's going onbecause I've I have in my emails
offers from these companies, soI know exactly what's going on
and I won't disclose details, noneed right, it's a bag of money
.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, it's a lot of money, it's just that much.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
And you know, I think for a lot of people they go.
Well, people drink a lot, and Ithink sometimes they get duped
by these companies and sayingwell, people are going to drink
red wine, we test for thesethings and we, you know,
mycotoxin test.
So if they are going to drinkred wine, this is a healthier
version of red wine or whateverit is.

(11:47):
But the problem is, you know,ben Greenfield did an Instagram
post where he's like saying thathe drinks red wine every single
day.
A little bit of red wine everyday.
There is no way, you know, wecan have all our debates about
seed oils and artificialsweeteners, stuff, where we're
like you guys are like, oh, wethink we know this about seed

(12:09):
oils, artificial sweeteners, andI go, oh, I don't, I'm not sure
.
If we know everything aboutthem, we'll probably do that all
day.
Alcohol isn't one of thesethings.
Right, it's been researchedenough where we know that no
alcohol is healthier for youthan any alcohol absolutely and
we can get into the nuance.
You know, yeah, there'sinteresting stuff with.
You know, longevity, it's all.
It's bullshit when a winecompany says there's resveratrol

(12:31):
in their wine and that's whyyou should drink wine you could
just take a resveratrolsupplement, or you can eat you
know berries and get a lot ofyou know polyethylene, and it's
frustrating.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
In regards to the people that um think it's
healthy to drink one glass ofred wine a day.
We've actually seen that.
The association there, yeah wegotta go actually that they have
good self-control and they'reable to exercise that in other
aspects of their life.
And so they're doing.
They're just having a healthierlifestyle.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
It's not the wine it's their ability to exert
self-control income thing likethe income thing of like income,
that too red wine every singleevening access to health care
have higher income becausethat's just the way the world
works.
And like you could do the samestudy of saying, let's survey
people that make over 100k ayear and you'd probably find the
same I bet, you people who eatcaviar are also healthier yeah
exactly yeah, there you goanything that's

(13:26):
expensive.
It's frustrating to see when Isee a health influencer that I
like, uh, endorsing wine.
Um, it's a bit frustrating andyou know there I would never do
it.
I would never endorse analcohol.
I just think it's dumb, and alot of the audience that I have,
especially as young, I don't Idon't drink so like I would
never endorse something that Ijust don't yeah, I am a.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I very rarely drink like I'm one of those people
that like, if you want to haveone of those want to drink a
year or something with yourbuddies, whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
But if you're drinking every day or you're
going out and getting plasteredevery weekend, it's the binge
drinking.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh like, if you look at binge drinking, it's abs, it
destroys it, it absolutely it's.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
It's so terrible, yeah, like I can't imagine, like
when I was younger, you knowlike 18, 19, you know, I drank
and I literally can't imagine itnow.
Like I went out to dinner withmy girlfriend last night and
like we were she doesn't drink,I don't drink and we were just
joking, like what?
Like how do people do it?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
like, listen, listen listen, listen, listen, listen.
I bartended for years.
I bartended for like years letme tell you, holy shit, what
alcohol does to people.
They've completely changed.
Like you know, one drink, twodrink okay.
Once you start getting into thebinge drinking, it's fucking no
holds bar.
I've seen fights.
I've seen people throwinganything and everything blood.
I've seen more blood as abartender than I have in health

(14:43):
care.
Like and I'm not joking aboutthat like it's insane,
especially younger people to.
You know, get a middle net.
So like, if you are like I do,I'll have I do.
I enjoy like a glass of winehere and there, absolutely.
But I'm not pretending like, oh, this is good for me, like no,
I just enjoy it and I'm willingyou know, yeah, I'm just gonna
yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
So it's like I don't understand why the health
influencers, if they reallywanted to endorse wine, I mean
it's like I don't understand whythe health influencers, if they
really wanted to endorse wine,I mean it's probably the
companies that won't allow themto say this and like the read.
But they could be like hey guys, this is the worst possible
thing like that you can put intoyour body.
But I do like this brand.
It tastes good, you know, butlike this isn't good for your
health at all.
The company would probably be alittle mad.
Yeah, they wouldn't like thatread.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
They wouldn't like that.
That read right, yeah, um thenwe like the resveratrol.
Better go, go back to that.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's exactly been one of my things.
When a company approaches mewanting to sell their stuff and
I'm like I, I will do it.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
If you let me be 100 honest about what I am saying
yeah, yeah, they don't like thatthey do not like that yeah, but
yeah, the alcohol thing is justone of those examples of, yeah,
health influencers gone wrongif they're saying alcohol is
healthy, yeah I mean, I've seeneverything recently it's been

(15:56):
tequila is the healthiest.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Did you have?
You heard that from a fewdifferent influencers?
They're like it's, it's theit's, because you know alcohol
actually trans.
You know it's not actually thealcohol it.
It's a long story, butbasically yeah it's.
They go and they say like oh,if you're gonna drink, drink
tequila.
And now I feel like we justkind of shift it to whatever
else, like it's wine and tequilaand then whatever company wants
to pay me that next time maybeit'll be vodka, who knows?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
my favorite are the tequila people, because they're
also the people that tell younot to have gmo corn.
Well, what do you think, thetequila?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
is made from yeah yeah, that's so good good so
yeah, basically if you're anadult, like yeah, you know, do
what's, do what's good, listenokay.
So I gotta transition somethingelse I need.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I feel like you.
I'm going to full circle.
Come back to raw milk by theend, because I do want to say
that, but we can.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
We can, yeah, but I need to know something else.
I need to know and I feel likebrendan, you'll know more than
anybody else because you, you,you talk about our ancestors and
you spent some time studying it.
Did our ancestors not haveplates or cutlery?
Because every fucking video Iget tagged in it's always like I
eat like a human, who's a human, and I don't eat poison, and
it's always on fucking cuttingboards.
Every single video, it's alwaysthe cutting board and like the

(17:07):
food looks fine.
It's like meat and fruit andavocados and eggs.
I'm like that's all great, butour, did our ancestors not have
plates?
Did they not Did?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
our ancestors not have spices, did they not?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I don't.
The spices thing.
I you know with the saladinotrain on that.
I mean we sell of santa cruzpaleo, we sell seasoning blend
one and blend two.
Great, using I don't.
I've never understood that partof the no seasoning.
The cutting board thing.
Okay, here's what's happeningwith the cutting board.
It is convenient, it's okay.
So you get the cutting board,you cook your meat, you put it

(17:38):
on the cutting board, you sliceup your fruit, avocado, whatever
fermented veggies, whateverpeople are having on those, you
eat it up and then you have onedish to wash.
Maybe that's it maybe that's itand, let's be real, it looks
cooler on the listen.
From an aesthetics point ofview, you're like you put
something on a cutting board,paul.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
It looks better than a plate you got at marshall's,
like you know.
It looks cool, but maybe maybeI should hit up.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I should hit up some archaeologist buddies from uc,
santa cruz, figure out like ifthey have any like first plates,
and maybe I'll do that.
I'll flex on everybody in theanimal-based community being
like I just bought a plate fromyou.
Know like I want that there yougo.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I want to see like this plate was used thousands of
years ago take this in thatwhen you make that, I'm sure
they've made a spoon.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm sure there's been a spoon at some point made.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
No, and that's the most primal thing you can do,
like I haven't washed it.
It has all the bacteria from,you know, a couple years ago.
It's good to go.
Yeah, that would be hilarious.
But yeah, the seasoning thing,and like I mean honestly with
Saladino on the plant defensechemicals thing, um, I've
definitely tried to uh,encourage you know, I've always
had vegetables in my diet, nevertaken them out, what I think is

(18:50):
interesting.
So I just interviewed a girlnamed muna recently and she had
severe cystic acne, like severe.
She was really dealing withsome skin issues and I've heard
this story so often.
She went carnivore short term,helped her skin a lot.
Then she went animal based.
Her skin completely cleared.
I've heard this story so much.

(19:11):
I think you guys should reallythink about this.
I think what's going on with alot of these people is they're
getting frustrated with thenormal Western medical system
because they'll go to a derm andthere are dermatologists who
are dialed in with this stuffDon't get me wrong.
Like, don't not go to a dermbecause you just think they're
all bad.
There's some amazing ones and alot are amazing and know about

(19:33):
diet and gut, skin access, allthis, but for many people they
go to a dermatologist.
I went to one when I was 18 andthey told me hey, diet is
little to nothing to do withacne.
I was dealing with acne andeczema at the time.
And then they see, oh, thiselimination style diet, maybe
animal based, maybe carnivore,which I'm not a fan of long term
, definitely not Yep.

(19:55):
They do that for a bit and aproblem they've been dealing
with for a very long time thathasn't gone away and they're
being told the only option is,you know, accutane or whatever
it is, or steroid creams goesaway and so it leaves many of
those people very frustrated atthe system.
Right, right, I'm trying tounwind some of that with being

(20:19):
like if you have some autoimmunecondition or some gut condition
which we don't know everythingabout the gut, we know very
little, we know nothing about itand then you fix it Like the
goal should be to add foods backin.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That's where we're all on the same page.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
And like that's why I've really tried to lately be
like.
You know, I eat all of the foodgroups.
Sure, I don't eat a lot ofwheat, I'm not eating a lot of
soy and corn, but I I won't, youknow, not dip my sushi you're
not gonna eat corn at chipotle.
This corn is so good at chipotle, though it makes it so well, I
mean there's, I have tacos and Igo to mexico, I go off on tacos

(20:59):
, that's my, that's my treat.
I mean, my fiance is Mexican,so there's definitely some corn
Mostly tequila.
Yeah, what would you guys sayabout that?
So like that's something I'vebeen encountering, a lot People
going oh you know, I fixed thisissue.
My eczema is gone.
This is the way forward.

(21:20):
Fuck the medical system,because they told me this.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
What are your guys, guys, thoughts on that?
I do agree that, um, thereneeds to be more training
towards that in the medicalsystem, absolutely, because that
, absolutely, somebody can havesensitivities to thing,
allergies to thing that thedoctor might not think of.
And whenever somebody asks meis if about the carnivore diet,

(21:47):
I tell them it's an eliminationdiet.
By all means, if you are havingproblems with food and you
think that it may be related tofood, um, if you know
medication's not helping you,whatever, by all means you can
try it.
You may be symptoms clear up,but, as you said, the goal is to
gradually put things back in,figure out what it is that was

(22:10):
causing the problem andeliminate just that.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Because we know.
We know there are foods thatcause it.
Look at the low FODMAP dietwhere you're like, oh, you cut
down on the onions, the garlic,whatever.
So we know for definitelypeople of IBS or Crohn's or
whatever some of theseautoimmune diseases.
We know they cause problems.
So, yes, I've literally justfilmed a video on the carnivore
diet because I get asked all thetime.
I think it's great as anelimination diet.

(22:35):
You go only meat for howeverlong, and preferably under the
guidance of a registereddietitian or someone at least
who knows kind of what they'redoing.
Then you slowly add foods backin, like one at a time, to
whatever you don't want to justchange it overnight.
And if you you find the thing,you want to find the thing.
That's the problem, I mean.
And you know for, like, ifsomebody wants to stay on
carnivore the rest of your life,I say yeah, like again, your

(22:57):
adult use whatever, but I justdon't I don't, I don't, yeah, I
definitely.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I definitely don't think it's a good idea.
People ask me all the time whatdo you think about the
carnivore diet?
I'm like you're doing it shortterm.
You're doing it short term tofigure out what is going on with
your body or just give yourselfa reset.
Go for it.
But I think one thing we woulddefinitely both agree on is the
importance of fiber.
Yes, that's actually one of mymain beefs with the animal, my

(23:21):
grass- main beef with fiber diet.
Um, it is sort of hard to getfiber in for people and my diet
is very similar to animal based,but I I eat potatoes, I eat
some grains you know I sayproperly prepared grains, that
they do well with my gut, um,and I eat vegetables.

(23:42):
I do think there is, you know,the whole plant defense chemical
thing.
I think why it has legs and whypeople are really like curious
about it is because there arepeople that are starting to do
raw spinach, raw kale, and Ithink we would all agree that
you can get issues from that Ifyou're doing much of anything
again we always say is a problemof course.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, course, yeah yeah yeah, but um, I think,
like um, eliminating a lot ofthose fiber rich foods also from
an anthropological point ofview, doesn't really make sense,
if you want to think about that, because we're omnivores, like
we can eat tons of stuff we can.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's what really separates, is like correct, you
know more about your ancestorsthan anybody else, but like
isn't that what makes humanskind of special?
In a ways, we can go anywherein the world and survive because
there's so many different foodswe can eat, other animals they
go somewhere.
They're dead because there'sjust their food supply is gone.
That's it, like we can reallydo anything.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And there's fascinating tribes all around
the world who have survived off,you know, tapping an animal and
drinking its blood, and thenthere's tribes who have drinking
its blood, and then they'restrived off eating no meat
whatsoever, I mean, and donewell like human beings can do
well on so many different things.
You can eat all the foods I hateand do well, you know, like you
can drive um and we see it allthe time.

(24:54):
So I think that's reallyimportant for people to know.
And um, yeah, you know, I meanoverall, like with social media,
like, of course, you know, Icame out hard doing the grocery
store videos and um, because ofdiscourse with folks like you,
I'm like you know what?
That's not the thing.
My overall goal, like trulydeep down I think people that
know me really do see this Itruly want people to feel their

(25:17):
best and get healthy deep down.
So what I was doing beforewasn't truly aligning with a lot
of my goals.
Some videos I did were toostrict, you know, or telling
people like, oh, seed oils, thisseed oils that for the average
kid living somewhere in Americathey're not going to be able to
avoid seed oils at all, and Ijust want people to feel healthy

(25:39):
.
So I've definitely changed upmy content with a lot of that
stuff lately.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Here's what I saw.
I still don't like seed oils.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I guess we are aware of that.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Here's what from when .
I like when I so anybodydoesn't know.
Like the first, when I startedmaking videos, I made some
videos about Brendan.
It was like the first videosthat actually took off and
people were like, make morevideos, make more videos.
And I was like, well, it'sfucking, those people wants the
algorithm that's make morevideos.
And I was like, well, it'sfucking, that's what people want
, it's the algorithm, that'swhat I'm gonna do.
And then I got a little back andforth and anybody who knows
social media, when you get intothat, it just gets more.
You know views for both peoplelike it works out, like it's,
it's a thing.
Um, but what I saw was like,okay, this guy seems to be

(26:14):
talking to the people whoalready have a lot of things, as
you would say, like dialed in,right, you're already getting
enough sleep, they're alreadygetting enough exercise, they're
already doing all of thesethings.
And he's saying, okay, here, ifyou want to take to the next
level and limit your risk ondisease, for you know as much as
possible, maybe here's, avoidthese plastic products because
of microplastics.
Do we know?
For certain microplastics arecausing issues.
Maybe not, but there's apotential for it, it is possible

(26:37):
.
So if you want to limit thatrisk here, do these things.
Whereas, like for me, so likeyou're trying to take people
from like they're 95 of the wayand let's get them 100 of the
way there and like that fivepercent is like can be.
It's a lot of work just to dothe last five percent.
I'm like, listen, I want totake people who don't know what
the fuck they're doing.
I want to take people who arelike man, I don't even, I don't
even know where to start.

(26:58):
I have I'm 20 of the way there.
How do I get 60 of the waythere?
I'm like, listen, honestly, getit from 2060 is pretty easy.
Like you do these few things,it's not that hard.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I think one of the best things um your guys
community has done, and um, alot of just the fitness
community in general, is theeducation about calories and
calories out, and the thing thatalso frustrates me that some
health influencers still say tothis day is that calories and
calories out doesn't matter.
It's extremely frustrating andI've made videos being like you

(27:27):
can eat McDonald's every singleday and all you know seed oils,
whatever, and if you are in acalorie deficit, you're going to
lose weight.
Knowing that is so importantbecause obviously, obesity and
just being overweight is one ofthe worst things you can do for
your health, and I've seen,unfortunately, a lot of people
in the community that I'm in saythat that's not a thing.

(27:50):
I don't.
I really I don't know why,because it's been proven so many
times.
You know there's the professorthat ate Twinkies and lost
weight, and I think what it getsto is it frustrates some people
in the health and wellnessworld because they go no, I'm
telling people to eat this wayand they're eating a lot of food
because and they're losingweight and life is way easier

(28:12):
for them because, as I think youguys would agree, if you do it,
you know slightly higherprotein and get your
micronutrients and dial it in,you'll feel better.
But it doesn't really matter,because the the statement of if
you're in a calorie deficit youwill lose weight and if you are
in a calorie surplus you willgain weight is a fact.
I think what the health andwellness community that
disagrees with that needs to dois everybody needs to

(28:35):
acknowledge that fact.
Obviously, there's littlenuances with it, but, like
overall, that is a fact.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, that's the big picture.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
And then we can go from there and say, oh well,
this study shows that people whoate a slightly higher protein
diet found it way easier toadhere to a calorie deficit or
whatever it is, or or added insome you know foods that are
more, you know, bulk centered.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Do you see that a lot from like the animal based
communities to talking aboutcalories and calories out not
mattering, is that?
Do you see it from them or,like I was, just wasn't sure?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, so I've seen, you know there's a lot of posts
being like um, that'll just kindof hate on people that just
talk about calories, right.
So people will be like you know, calories matter, calories
matter People.
People will post like memes andstuff that calories don't
matter.
Or, you know, a calorie is nota calorie, which I totally get
what they're saying there.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yes, we know what you're saying, but we but an
inch is an inch, a mile is amile.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Weight loss.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
It sort of is you know like it really is, like the
calories from an apple and thecalories from a Twinkie.
You know those two foods willaffect you differently, but the
calories from them.
A meter is still a meter.
A calorie is still a count,like it's just a unit of
measurement.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, and then like it's.
Like, from there we can go into.
Well, if you eat a really gooddiet, your immune system might
be better.
For example, you're going toget sick less, and guess what?
You're going to get sick lessand guess what that's going to
make it easy to do.
Go on more walks, get moreexercise and you're going to be
able to create a calorie deficiteasier.
If you eat 90 grams ofprocessed sugar in the evening
and you have trouble sleeping,well, that might affect your

(30:04):
workout the next day.
You're going to burn lesscalories.
You know like, yes, all thatstuff matters, but yeah, that's
one thing I've seen on thehealth influencer side of things
that, uh, yeah, frustrates mefor sure.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I think it's because when you promote, like, a diet
and you have like this deepconnection to it, you kind of
have to make it sort of special,maybe in a way make it
different, so that people like,oh, if you come over here, this
is all that matters.
You do this, you don't have toworry about anything else, and
it's like most foods, and youonly focus on nutrient dense

(30:35):
foods, there's a good chanceyou'll lose weight because
you'll probably be pretty fullfrom all the fiber, protein,
whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
so, yeah, not to mention giving people something
to blame, like in regards withseed oils.
Um, there's a lot of thoseinfluencers that show that, well
, the introduction of seed oilsat this point of time suddenly
caused our weight gain, and soseed oils themselves are bad,
and, by all means, seed oils adda lot of extra calories to food

(30:58):
.
That's what's happening.
A lot of those associationswith seed oils.
Well, you look at theintroduction of when television
became affordable for mostfamilies Right there, that's
when one of the spikes forobesity went up.
When personal computers becameaffordable for families, right
there, that's when one of thespikes for obesity went up when

(31:20):
personal computers becameaffordable for families.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
There's another spike .
Yeah, no, absolutely yeah, likethose overall, like, oh, like
associating that spike.
I mean I would say, you know, Ithink a lot of the red meat
large meta-analysis are guiltyof that as well, you know, I
know you've talked about thisbefore.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Basically because people, you know we see these
associations between red meatwhere with something like, say,
colon cancer and it's also.
But you also have to look at itlike the diet soda.
People who drink diet soda tendto be over, you know it tends
to have excess body fat becausethey're not trying to add
calories.
So having excess body fatincreases your risk for various
heart conditions and stuff.
So they try and blame the dietsoda.
So there definitely is thatpossibility with red meat.

(31:53):
Hey, are the people who areeating red meat?
Are they exercising less?
Where are they getting the redmeat from?
Is it what you know?
Depends the source.
Of course, you know there's alot of other factors.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
So for me, when it, you know, compares, you know, a
vegan group to a red meat group,I mean, in today's world, the
vegan group is oftentimesthey're not smoking cigarettes,
they are not drinking alcohol.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
They are exercising.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
So I think it's interesting, but I think for me
it's like if I'm going to talkabout that and shit on some
meta-analysis of red meatcausing colon cancer, well then
I cannot shit on a meta-analysisIf a study comes out showing
how bad artificial sweetenersare, and it's just just a
meta-analysis and some peopleare guilty of that.
Well, I can't have it both ways.
And the seed oils thing I tryto make content where I'll

(32:42):
occasionally eat seed oils,because I don't want people to
feel bad about eating seed oils.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
That's such a huge thing is a lot of those other
influencers are making peoplefeel bad because they just had
some influencers are makingpeople feel bad because they
just had some.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm guilty of it.
I've definitely been guiltyabout it, for sure, and I think
what I've tried to do lately isI have video of me going to
In-N-Out.
I have video of me going toChipotle eating out at certain
restaurants and showing guyslike I just did one with an
influencer in Los Gatos, nearhere, and I was like was like
guys, I'm not going to order myfood seed oil free or tell them
I have some allergy, like oh,the allergy are so stupid and

(33:20):
like anybody who's worked in arestaurant is like no, like it's
annoying, it's insane.
And so, yeah, I think that'sinteresting.
And then I've also just beentrying to highlight some of the
um, actual research on seed oilsout there and it's like like,
yeah, they do lower cholesterol,that might be beneficial for
some people.
But then there's a researcherin Japan I think you guys would

(33:41):
find interesting.
He's a neurosurgeon,neuroscientist.
He gives talks on this stuffand his statement is basically
he's worried that heating upseed oils, heating up canola,
soybean, so when they're exposedto high heats, he thinks, leads
to contribute to Alzheimer'sdisease.
Interesting stuff.
Like I don't you know, I don'tthink we know.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Like health.
Quote unquote health.
What do you say the same thingabout?
Like olive oil and stuff, orwas it?
Is he just saying it's justthese seeds?

Speaker 1 (34:09):
If I recall, the study also found it in olive oil
as well.
Yeah, it's more.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, I, I recall the study also found it in olive
oil as well.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, it's more.
Yeah, I think it's like alittle acid content when heated
up.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
He has some interesting stuff on it.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I would love Rob to dive into it because yeah, we
briefly talked about it incomments at one point, and I did
look at the study.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
And it's important for me to acknowledge like a lot
of that stuff is over my head,like that one of his papers he
has there is extremely complex,like I don't know, and I also
think you know saladino doesn'tknow and gary brekka doesn't
know, and I think you guys don'tknow for sure, but you and I
will all say like we don't fullyknow.
Yeah right, so I think it'sinteresting.

(34:51):
I mean just from a personalthing, like if I eat a bunch of
seed oils, personally I don'tfeel good.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
That's just something I've noticed, but it could be
with the food that I'm eating itjust seems like, because where
do you get seed oils from, like,where do most people get it
from?
You know, it's just food orprocessed fast food, ultra
processed, yeah that like if Ieat mostly that stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I feel like shit and with that study that we're just
talking about.
The main conclusion to thatstudy was don't eat a lot of
fast food.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And we can all agree with that oil, you know, kept in
somebody's house, versus howmost people are getting exposed
to seed oils.
Is, you know, soybean or canolaoil that's being reheated over
and over again in a fire?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
basket.
I've looked into the fry.
It's interesting.
So because there's a lot youknow restaurants they're
supposed to change their oilsbut a lot of restaurants you
know they're trying to save themoney so much.
So yeah you know they'll use itover and over again and I do
see some some negative effectswith once you use it.
Five, six, seven, like all youknow, use it over and over.
There are some negativeconsequences from that.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I think we can all agree we love olive oil.
I think that's pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I use olive oil If you're cooking salmon and you're
not using olive oil.
It's a crime.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
But listen, I have the spray, not like you know,
whatever pam, because I'm payingfor nabrand.
Who the fuck?
I'm not paying for nabrand Iget the little like kroger
canola oil spray.
I'm like I don't care, likewhatever.
Oh, it's got butane.
People like, oh, it's gonna bein your food, butane's a gas.
People like don't goes away,don't it's fine, it's fine, just
spray it, cook it, whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
But yeah, I love olive oil, I use it and do you
guys eat um like red meat andbutter, like I like?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I use butter.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I don't like butter on like sourdough bread with
like a little bit of salt, likeyeah, man that's just like how
you're not afraid tooccasionally have seed oils,
we're not afraid to occasionallyhave red meat about red meat a
lot and I'm always like listen,I'm much less concerned with
like, oh, how much red meat istoo much red meat.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I'm like, make sure you're doing the other things.
Make sure you're trying to getfruits and vegetables and eat
these other things.
If you're eating so much redmeat is too much red meat.
I'm like, make sure you'redoing the other things, make
sure you're trying to get fruitsand vegetables and eat these
other things.
If you're eating so much redmeat that it's pushing those
things out of your diet, that'swhen I'm concerned, because I
want to make sure you're gettingthe other things less about
like, make sure you get lessthan this specific amount, you
know.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I totally agree with that.
One thing I've been saying alot and luckily, again, luckily
I run the company Santa CruzPaleo the way I do or it's just
me, I mean, joe doesn't care.
I have said so many times don'tbuy supplements.
You shouldn't buy supplementsuntil you have your sleep, your
workouts, your nutrition dialedin, and then you can look
towards some supplements.
If I could package up a goodnight of sleep into a supplement

(37:30):
, I would be a billionaire.
If I could package up a week ofgood eating into a supplement,
oh my Like these things thatpeople are going towards without
looking at the other aspects oftheir life is just.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
It's stupid, because that's where people start a lot
is supplements.
People start a health journeyand they're like, okay, what
supplement should I take?
And we're like we'll get therenext year.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Okay, yeah, like, yeah, we walked today.
You know, like, what's going on.
That's the last time you ate avegetable.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Uh, a couple of weeks ago, I think it was on my
burger.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
That's a piece of lettuce, like land defense
chemicals man, you got to watchout.
I've been making a lot ofSaladino jokes, uh, in my things
.
I don't know if you, anytime Ihave a lettuce or carrots or
anything.
I'm like oh, dino fans, I'msorry, turn it off, because yeah
, we could do that with meat.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
We could be like oh, meat has heterocyclica means and
you shouldn't eat it, and youcan pick apart any food, it
doesn't matter.
So when you're like oh phyticacid and oats.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
I'm like, oh shut, come on like oh the term plant
defense chemical is such a bigpet peeve for me because for the
plants they're not defensechemicals like phytic acid is
where seeds store phosphorus forgermination.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
It's a life-giving chemical for them yeah, yeah, I
think the plant defense chemicalthing is just, yeah, I don't
know, it's it's gotten too much.
I don't really know why he'sstuck with it, honestly, like
for his brand.
I mean, I think you know, ifyou listen to saladino debate,
dr aloe, uh, when they had thedebate about heart disease
cholesterol, it's like paul isvery smart.
Like, if you listen to saladinodebate, dr aloe, uh, when they
had the debate about heartdisease cholesterol, it's like

(38:57):
paul is very smart.
Like, if you listen to thatdebate I think anybody listens
to it would be like damn, likehe makes some really good points
here and he's obviously he's,you know gone deep into the
research but do you think he'sjust connected to the plant
defense, like he started offwith that and he's sort of been
tied to it?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
now he has to stick to it, as you think, like that's
part of it.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I think that's definitely part of it.
I think legit paul has like anextremely sensitive gut.
Like I'm not joking, he justdid a post like on his podcast.
He said he like tried toreintegrate white rice and like
I saw that yeah and I yeah, Ithink that's a big part of it,
because I think he's, you know,sort of like being like you know

(39:34):
, okay, I'm trying toreintegrate this food.
It's not working with me.
So what in this food can be anissue?
And he highlights some stuffthat you know can be real.
You know, if it's consumed inlike crazy high dosages, like
you're cranking a bunch of rawkale, you know you can have
oxalate issues.
Sure, so he's like well, when Ieat kale I don don't feel good.
So what in this kale could becausing that?

(39:57):
Oxalates, plant defensechemicals?
the problem is, for most people,adding in some cooked kale,
where you really reduce theoxalates if you're cooking it in
butter or whatever right, it'sjust going to be, you know, a
good source of vitamin a forthem, good source of, you know,
vitamin k, some fiber, you knowwhatever and whatever, and
that's what it's going to be.
So I don't know, man, Idefinitely have some

(40:19):
disagreements with Paul.
Just overall plant defense,chemical thing is a big one,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
And in regards to Paul trying out rice and some of
these other things, anotherreason why you shouldn't be
going carnivore for an extendedperiod of time is because the
gut does adapt to that and thenwhen you try to reintroduce
other foods, it's going to havetrouble with that.
That's why the uh inuit cansurvive off of all of these uh

(40:48):
seal blubber and all that stuff,whereas you you, if you went
and did that, you would have somuch trouble because you were
not adapted to that yeah, yeah,for sure, and I think like
that's, that's, you know,obviously, like coming from like
an anthropological backgroundlike everybody's different, and
I think, people who functionlike better off of having, you
know, more plants and I think alot of it comes down to fiber

(41:11):
content as well, because, likeyou just said, you know we can
all, at least here, agree thatfiber is beneficial.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
But, boy, howdy, I'll fucking tell you.
I talk to people and they'relike, when I eat fiber, you know
, I I feel worse.
I'm like, well, how much fiberare you eating right now?
On average, like nearly none.
And then when they do eat fiber, they go, they go ham with it.
They're adding like all thesebeans and everything like that.
And then, and then you seepeople like paul saying, oh,
plant defense, chemicals.
I'm like, or or was it the factthat you just had a ton of

(41:37):
fiber that your body's not usedto and that totally messed you
up, losing the uh, the organizedorganism?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
not organization the organization in their gut that's
responsible for breaking downcellulose really yes, just

(42:03):
adapting over time yeah, becausepeople are removing fiber from
their diet and so over time,we're seeing less and less of
that organism in their gut,particularly in big cities where
lots of people end up doing alot of fast food.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's interesting.
That's very interesting.
One of the supplements we'reworking on is making a digestive
enzyme, and so I'm diving intoall things digestive enzymes
right now and looking into that.
It's pretty interesting.
You know, like alcohol willlike deplete digestive enzymes
and stress will like depletedigestive enzymes and, um,
stress can like depletedigestive enzymes.
It's pretty interesting.
And then you have all thesedifferent enzymes.

(42:40):
Some help digest protein, somehelp digest.
You know, and like, for mostpeople it's just not an issue,
but uh, that's the thing is.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
A lot of people ask me about them.
I'm like it's, it seems to help.
Some people tell me like thisis what, this is what saved me.
This thing and other, and formost people are like no, this
did nothing, so it's just like I, I can't yeah, and it matt.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
It depends on how much of that enzyme the person
is naturally producing yeah,yeah, so it's really interesting
.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
One thing, another thing I think we do agree on is
sort of the demonization of saltlately.
Um, I don't think you guys aretoo anti-salt.
Now that's interesting, I think.
Now I think it's interesting.
Obviously we make thesesalt-based electrolytes.
They're one of our best sellers.
People love it.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I'd like to try it at some point.
It looked pretty good.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah, it's sodium, potassium and magnesium.
Again with my new content style, whatever you guys want to call
it.
If you look at my last post onSanta Cruz, Indicinals about
this, I purposely start the postoff with a lot of people are
deficient in potassium.
Here are the foods you can eatAvocados, potatoes, you know,

(43:46):
real dairy that can give yougreat amounts of potassium, and
then I go into you can alsosupplement with an electrolyte.
So I'm trying to do more ofthat, right.
What do you guys think aboutsalt?
You you know like there's agreat state on nfl players where
they um, they examine how muchsodium they're losing in like a
training session, and it variedfrom two grams all the way up to
30 grams and some of theplayers fascinating.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
There's a lot of salt .

Speaker 3 (44:06):
They're probably huge 300 pound linemen, like it's
sweating, like yeah you canactually for anybody I've done
this before.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
you can get patches that you put like on your skin
where you sweat a bunch,basically, and you go for a
workout, you sweat, and then youcan like scan it on your phone
or whatever, and it'll show you,kind of like, how much sodium
you sweat out, becauseeverybody's different.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, I think that's what they were using.
So what do you guys think aboutsodium at all?
Do you monitor your sodiumintake?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I don't even monitor it.
I'm not afraid to use it whileI'm cooking and it's actually
kind of annoying, Like if I do avideo regarding soup.
The first thing, the very firstcomments you get are.
It has so much sodium and it'slike 600 milligrams or something
, and you're like I mean, yeah,that it adds a significant

(44:55):
portion to your diet, but that's, that's not that much sodium.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
but also, it depends so much on the individual,
that's why that's the problemwith these these overarching
recommendations.
It's like you're talking aboutlike an nfl player sure they're
going to be sweating a lot andso they're going to.
Probably they're going to needextra, so and can I?
It's always funny when you saylike sodium, you're like that
sounds kind of scary.
But when you call it, sayelectrolytes, people like, Ooh,
that's good, Like you just kindof rebranded it sounds a lot

(45:22):
better, like give me someelectrolytes, oh sodium, let me
stay away.
But no.
I think it really depends,cause if you look at someone,
they're not very active.
That type of person they verywell might need to monitor their
sodium and keep it lower,Absolutely yeah.
But it just depends so much onthe person.
And so I think, because there'sa lot of people who are in

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these situations where they aredealing with heart issues or
whatever, by just kind oftelling everyone hey, reduce
your sodium, yeah, we can dosome good, but there are people
that might need more, so it justdepends so much on the person.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
And then a lot of those people also.
They might end up going andchugging electrolyte drinks
because, like, as you said,electrolytes sounds nicer.
It's like, oh, we needelectrolytes, we're going to
chug these drinks.
Oh, but this, this can of soupwith sodium can't have that.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah, it's so funny, yeah, and like with the
electrolytes.
Like obviously I love ourelectrolytes and stuff, but like
orange juice has electrolytes,coconut water has electrolytes,
food has electrolytes Like youdefinitely don't need an
electrolyte supplement.
Now, on that side of things,though, what was really
interesting for me is to diveinto Logan Paul's Prime.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
The potassium, the amount of the amount of you know
why?

Speaker 3 (46:36):
you know why he did it like when formulating these.
It's like yeah, potassium issweet, you know it doesn't take
sodium tastes salty, yeah, yeah.
And he, he has a famous thingwhere he's like we didn't want
this drink to be salty, wewanted it to be, you know, like
taste good, and it's like likeelectrolyte.
I think we can all agreeelectrolyte imbalance is really
like a huge like.
That's what people are tryingto avoid and I find it

(46:59):
astonishing that the mostpopular electrolyte beverage
right now, randy, it's aboutbranding 900 milligrams of just
potassium, and not reallythere's a famous oh he, he has
an ad that's so good.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I forget exactly how much uh electrolytes are in iv,
liquid iv versus his, but he didtheirs plus one.
So he's like they have thismuch electrolyte, like whatever,
100, whatever it is, and likewe have 100 plus we have one
more electrolyte than they havebecause we want to have more
than them.
Like that sounds cool, I guess,to the person who knows nothing
about this, but like all theseathletes that are promoting it,

(47:33):
like there's no way they'redrinking this.
There's no way they're drinkingthis potassium rich and this
electrolyte mix.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
It's yeah, no, they're drinking.
Yeah, they're probably drinkinglmnt or another salt-based
electrolyte hopefully santa cruzpaleo.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
But but yeah, you're so right.
The flavor.
It just tastes like oh, wedon't want to taste salty.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
So here you go and it's like, yeah, yeah, exactly
what are we doing?
It's crazy.
Um?
And then, yeah, it's, it's afunny thing to think about.
Um, do you guys take magnesiumor any supplements like, or do
you get everything fromnutrition right now?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
primarily nutrition for me, because I love things
like pumpkin seeds oh yeah, andseeds and in general I'm a big
seed eater, so I only typicallyget that's, yeah, the only
creatine, and then in the winterI'll don't get outside very
much, so I only typically getplenty of magnesium.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
That's, yeah, the only creatine, and then in the
winter I'll don't get outsidevery much, so I'll take like a
vitamin d.
Yeah, do that during like thewinter, because I'm just not
getting a lot of sun, especiallyworking nights.
Fuck, if you work nights likeI'm sorry, it sucks.
It's terrible for that'sanother thing that's terrible
for you.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
That's why I should make videos about how terrible
they have the sleep.
They have the sleep guy workingnights and then so it's so bad
for you get off it if you can,anyway.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
But yeah, if you're not getting much sun, yeah, like
vitamin d thousand I usewhatever you know, like just
something to make sure I'mgetting enough yeah, I hope.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I hope blood work becomes more accessible for many
people yes yeah, it's, and likepeople I mean, I say that as a
canadian, but um yeah, that'sfair I hope it's more accessible
for you guys in the land offree.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
We hope we get it more available.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Like I can literally just go to my doctor and be like
hey, I'd like some blood work.
Okay, done.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, dude, now I'm in a place where I can get a lot
of that stuff done, but it isinsane how expensive it is.
It's insane.
I do think if doctors becomemore, I think they will become
more aware of the benefits ofjust like a basic vitamin D test
.
I'm not saying they don't know,but it can be something sort of
they push to the side or don'tthink is that important.

(49:22):
But I think more and moredoctors, I would say, are
realizing how easy that is toget checked and how easy it is
to fix, and it's just prettywell established in the medical
community that having optimalvitamin D levels is a good thing
.
I wish.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
But yeah, I mean, I literally have a lab requisition
for blood work right here in mydesk.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Actually, I think I have two of them.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yes, yes, canada's amazing.
I do hope we push more towardsthat and get away from, because
this is another thing I think weall agree, or at least I
definitely.
I know I do greens powders godI get asked about those things
so much, and it doesn't matterhow many rants I've done before
till I'm red in the facescreaming about how I don't like

(50:05):
them.
People still ask me about likeoh, bloom and this and that, and
just like it's so overpriced,for what?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
it is.
So I have have.
I have emails from some of thetop greens powders producers,
greens powder producers outthere and usually you're looking
at about three to $4 for like athing and that's, that's cheap
and like why they are able to dowhat they do is they have tons
of margin in that product.
It's basic.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Cause they sell what?
30, 40 bucks, something likethat.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
And you know I I've.
I have emails from a companybasically saying yeah, we get
like vegetable byproducts, likethey're not putting.
You know the broccoli.
You're better off eatingbroccoli on the shelf, because
that's beautiful broccoli thatmade it to the shelf.
You know, who knows, I wouldlove to run a mycotoxin test on
like some greens powders outthere.
I don't know what's going onwith them, but I think for a lot
of people like they just um,they just view it as like this

(50:55):
drink get the way they market itis.
This drink gets you, it coversyour bases is what athletic
green says covers your bases, itgets you everything you need
and that is very, very appealingto people.
Yeah, right I mean shit, that'samazing marketing like that and
then they put that behind aproprietary.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Blend a hundred dollars for a bag of whatever
was left over, basically yeah,yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
And then one of the other things I find interesting
I um, I'm going to release anepisode.
I have a functional medicinedoctor I talked to.
He's an md, he's a really smartguy and uh, um, one of the
things he was talking about iscertain probiotic species can
actually be histamine producingand cause like reactions to
people.
So, like he's like theseproducts that dump in 40

(51:48):
probiotic strains because theywant to tell people we have
billions of you know, bacteriayou want the number as high as
possible, yeah yeah, he's likewell, that's not going to be
good for a lot of people andhe's had many patients that go
on kombucha and super greens andall this stuff and they're
having full-blown histaminereactions.
And that was what he was sayingis one of the things that is
causing that.
And then he gets some towards,you know, eating greek yogurt

(52:10):
and fermented vegetables andthat goes away.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
So that's pretty fascinating I know if you want
probiotics, there's kimchisauerkraut I love.
I like tempeh, if you ever seenit.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
It's like fermented soybeans, because I and yeah,
it's not worth going out of yourway to get all uh something
with four billion probiotics,because you're the ones that
survive in your gut are going tobe relative to what your diet
is, so if it's not somethingyou're eating often, they're

(52:40):
just going to die.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah and and you know another, like I've been doing
some GI map tests of like my gutand you get to see so much
information on there.
You get to see your gutdiversity, all this stuff and
very you know niche thing Causelike it's an expensive test.
But one thing I would find veryinteresting is I wonder what
the gut diversity of thesepeople have been carnivore, very
strict animal base for a whileis, because I can't, like you,

(53:04):
need fiber to basically feed onthat you know right give you the
substrate and like, if you'renot eating foods like sweet
potato.
You know I eat a lot of potatoes, carrots, you know, veggies,
fruit, obviously.
So I eat a good amount of thoseand, like, I have good gut
diversity.
But I wonder what it would beif I cut all those foods out and
the fact that they say it'slike fiber is non-essential.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I hear that all the time like fiber is non-essential
, you don't need it.
I'm just like, of all thethings, like listen I I like I
don't agree with likedemonization of like oreos and
stuff and I'm like okay, listen,we're eating like 60, 70
process, ultra processed foodsin america.
We're eating too much of it.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
It's causing problems , I get it, but like fiber, like
I just dumbfounded yeah, yeah,it's pretty fascinating to me,
and because there's there's alsoso many ways you can get fiber
in, so like, like, if we satdown to dinner, I might not eat
a bunch of your whole grainbread, but there is hundreds of
other foods that have fiber.
Like the fact that you can'tfind some foods that work well

(54:04):
with your gut, like I love sweetpotatoes.
Like they're so rich in so manynutrients they taste absolutely
delicious.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
What was I eating last night, rob?
I put sweet potatoes.
I like beans absolutelydelicious.
What was I eating last night,rob?
I put sweet potatoes, I likebeans.
I like corn.
I know you're not a super fanof those ones, but I love me
some beans and corns.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Right on sweet potato no, I mean I, I, I don't mind.
I don't mind beans.
I made a chili recipe recently.
Threw a bunch of beans in thereyeah, yeah, um, I think in that
video that was the video wasactually a while ago because I
was in tahoe in the wintersnowboarding.
We did it like a chili with mybuddy had some elk actually that
guy was telling you aboutthere's always hunting
interesting and so we did like agrass-fed uh beef elk and then

(54:40):
we did the elk and then we didthe beans in there.
But I was like I shouted you outin the video, like, just
briefly, I'm like shut up.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You know, I'm eating beans, because they're like you
know, it's always affordabilityand I'm like I like's cheap and
I grew up maybe not poor, butnot a lot.
Not well off Not well off, notwell off.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
So beans were a staple for sure, yeah, and I've
been trying to do more videos toshow how to eat a good diet
affordably.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I've seen that.
Yeah, I've seen some.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, which sometimes I'll get pushback with my
community to be like.
That beef is not like you'retelling people to eat this.
I'm like, yes, regenerative,grass-fed, grass-finished beef
is what I would prefer, but thatis not like.
When I was working at PapaJohn's.
I did not eat the Papa John'sat all.
I was actually mad that I wasinhaling the gluten because you
have to make the pizzas and thengo deliver it.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It would piss me off because I was already into all
this health stuff.
This cheese is not grass-fed.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
What the fuck?
Oh, dude, that job drove mecrazy.
Think about me like I wasalready just getting into this
stuff and I would have to justshow up at people's door.
Liters of soda, a pizza that Iwould never eat it was.
And then I actually became oneof the first door dash drivers
ever.
Really, yeah, so this was inpalo alto.
I'm leaving the Papa John's inPalo Alto to go deliver pizzas
and this dude approaches me andhe goes hey, I'm like what does

(55:59):
this guy want?
Like what am I about to getrobbed?
What's going on?
And he goes hey, my name isStanley.
I just founded a company, astartup called DoorDash.
He's like we're right acrossthe street, they're operating
out of a house, and he's like Ican make you more money than you

(56:20):
make at papa john's doingdeliveries.
I'm like let's go, I don't care, you know like I met with him
like a couple days later and,wow, I should have got paid in
equity if I just said give me0.001 percent of this thing.
Oh wow, yeah messed up there,but uh, yeah, that was a random
sidebar.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's great, I love it it Personal being in
California, fucking venturecapital like this company
starting up Exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
And then I wanted to ask you and I'm like flipping
the interview on you guys, Idon't know why, but what do you
guys like to do for exerciselately?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I've seen Liam, you do, obviously, some stuff in the
gym- you want to go for it,we'll both go at the same time
okay, let's just talk, let'sjust I do this, and yeah, okay
go ahead, yeah, no, I mean.
So my gym.
I'm lucky that my gym is fourminutes away from me.

(57:09):
It's like it's right down theroad and I'll generally, and
it's open 24 hours for me likeworking nights.
I need something that's 24hours because I'm there at like
one, two in the morning,something like that.
Um, and then I do muay thai,kickboxing.
I'm telling you, if you likemartial arts is, it's, it's good
exercise, but also just likefor mental, just it helps for
your mental health.
I think it's.
I think it's great, it's adiscipline, it's something, it's

(57:31):
.
All those good words, I, I, Ienjoy that a lot, um, and then
everything else.
But like, I try and just staymore moving.
I have my daughter, so you know, take her for just like walks,
you know, just go outside, I'llcarry, I'll carry her around
because, listen, she is sixmonths old and 24 pounds.
She is the chubbiest baby ever.
So you know, I just try andwith that, and even even in,

(57:52):
like my gaming, like I'll getlike a vr or something like that
.
That gets me moving.
You'd be surprised.
I'm literally like in my boxers, just sweating, something like
that that gets me moving.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
You'd be surprised I'm literally like in my boxers,
just sweating like just out ofbreath like this is stupid.
All the fans in the houseblowing out yeah, I have
literally that might have to goon a different website, but you
know that's for the only fans.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Exactly that's what they're coming at you when I've,
when tiktok gets banned andthat's uh.
So, yeah, I mean I just try.
I mean for I tell people likeyou know, whatever little thing
it is that you find like sports,I love it, especially like in
the summer vault, I love beachvolleyball is like my favorite
sport.
I, I absolutely love it.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Um, so you just kind of have to find what works for
you yep, I got to play beachvolleyball on a sandbar on the
um uh rios madre, the river thatfeeds the amazon river.
That was an experience that'sfun.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Beach volleyball is the shit for everyone out there.
I'm telling you, try just likediving in the sand, like I'll
dive for stuff.
I know I'm not gonna getbecause I'm like, I just like to
dive in the sand.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
It's fun, I feel like I'm too short for beach
volleyball, like I made abasketball video recently and
like like people were roastingmy jumpsuit.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I'm sure you got some comments on that.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I was like, listen guys, listen guys.
I'm 5'8", I quit basketball inhigh school and it was probably
a good decision, probably forthe best, but I still play
basketball and beach volleyballfor fun.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
It's a sport, you get exercise, you have fun, you
connect with others, because Ithink that's something we leave
out.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
A lot in health is just having a supportive
community like you look at, likethe zones I'm sure exactly the
blue zones.
Everyone debates what's goingon there like one thing.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
They definitely have is community like a hundred
percent.
You can all debate how manyeggs and, you know, fish.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Whatever we get to a week, why do we get?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
to like these tiny nuances all the time, when it's
just like come on, can we focuson the macro, like just you know
, having this positive communityaround you and just moving
throughout the day, whatever itis like those two things are so
much bigger than are eggshealthy and how many like I?
Just it's like eh, eh, eh.
That's what I have to say aboutit.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
For me.
I get a couple workouts inevery week.
I work out with a client, sowhenever he's available we just
hit the gym for an hour.
Nothing fancy anymore, but Iget a lot of exercise in because
I'm a DIYer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
And so I will be doing a lot of building and
there's a lot of shelves andvarious stuff in here that I
build myself.
And, as we were talking aboutbefore we started recording, I
also have spent like a third ofmy life camping and, yep, not
glamping, actual camping and so,like lots of chopping wood for
fire, I love going out, uh, onthe water, in a kayak, doing

(01:00:35):
some fishing and, yeah, I just I.
I need to have one year to goahead, finish, but I need to
rant about something okay, it'sbeen on my mind I'm angry, so go
ahead and then, of course, Ialso have to walk pippin,
because if you have a cat andyou are not walking, your cat,
what are you even doing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
because they're they're crazy animals.
Put them on where you put aleash on a cat oh like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
It's a huge pet peeve for me.
People will just throw theircat out the door, like you get a
dog literally a pet peeve,literally a pet peeve.
You get a dog and how you treatthat dog.
You're playing with it, you'retaking for walks.
You get a cat and you likescratch it a couple times a day
and it just does its own thing.
That's why people get thembecause they're independent.
People think they'reindependent.

(01:01:23):
The reason they're independentis because everybody's ignoring
them all day.
Fair enough whereas catsactually are fairly social and
you can train them to do thesame things as dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I've got pippin right here in front of me on a thing,
just chilling while we'retalking I I am upset because at
my work okay, listen, they havein the basement there's a gym.
It was an old ratty gym.
It still worked.
It was fine.
I went down there all the timebefore work, after work,
whatever it had the sheer basics, they just redid it and it's
immaculate.

(01:01:53):
It is like so nice.
They have a goddamn smallshuffleboard in there, like ping
pong all sorts of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
You showed me the picture and I was so jealous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
So, like I'm telling you, they have one of those
mirrors that you're supposed tolike do whatever the mirror is
doing, I don't know, it doesn'tmatter, I just like that.
They have all these otherequipment and I went down there
and I got in trouble for workingout because apparently it
wasn't open yet I got emailsabout it my manager.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yet I got emails about it my manager's.
Like you can't go down there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Apparently there's legal issues and they can't open
it.
Yet I'm like, okay, okay, okay.
So what you're doing is you'renot allowing people to work out
because of some like I'm suresomebody's gonna sue because of
this or that or warranties orsome bullshit.
And I'm just like dude, likehaving a gym in, like a
workspace is of, that is suchlike it doesn't cost the company
that much and it's it saving onhealth insurance.

(01:02:39):
They're working out exercising.
Come on, just open the gym.
So I'm angry, I'm mad.
My gym closed it back down.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I wonder how much money we would save in
healthcare if we made an actualbig push.
People were like I think thelast person to really do it was
Michelle Obama.
She really did push healthyeating and exercise a bit, but
not that much.
I'm really wondering whensomebody is going to step up.
I'm astonished.
During COVID I know theycouldn't really push certain

(01:03:11):
things.
It must be a nightmare workingin government, so I don't know
what that's like, the fact thatnobody made a big push of oh, at
your house, house, like awayfrom other people, like you can
do, like basic stuff, like justlike movements and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
But like I put a pull up bar in my basement, like I
just like started to a beam andnow I have that, like you know,
just one thing that reallyannoys me about some of the
other wellness influencers andtheir crowd is always like oh,
they're doing it to make youhealthy and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Not once, not once do they ever tell you go get some
exercise yeah, and then theexercise sometimes is just like
machines attached to you andlike like this crazy shit the
hula hoop weight thing or theweighted jump rope, I think yeah
, I think one of the things I'vereally tried to do is show all
the activities that I do outsidelike basic stuff.

(01:04:01):
One thing I found fascinating Ididn't know this.
I saw it off a nutrition narcvideo and then I made a video
off of this walking one mile,and running one mile burn
roughly the same amount ofcalories, just one's faster.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Cause you're moving the same weight the same
distance I'm like, of course,running you're going to have
other cardiorespiratory benefitsand you know.
But it's like a lot of peoplelike, just like the framework in
somebody's mind.
If you were to tell them, hey,if you ran an extra 10 miles per
week, you'd be in way bettershape, you drop some weight,
they'd be like, of course, but Ican't run 10 miles a week,
that's insane.

(01:04:35):
But if you tell them, hey,miles a week, that's insane.
But if you tell them, hey, ifyou walk an extra 10 miles per
week, you know you're gonna geta lot of those same benefits.
Like, yeah, that seems like soapproachable people like, okay,
like, but you know, I mean thisis the conundrum you guys are in
actually is you deal with a lotof this stuff where you're like
, well, we don't know the answer.
Oh, it's nuanced.
Like I guess I'm willing tomore to go out there and make

(01:04:55):
like these, like bold statementsthat go viral and stuff.
But like, uh right, how boringis it that you can just tell
people walk a bunch.
It's just never gonna go viral.
You gotta add something into itmaybe I'll do a video, because I
do walk in the morning with atennis ball and I bounce it.
Just uh, it gets my mind going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Whatever, maybe I'll do a video on that, maybe
that'll make walking I find forme like listening to like a
podcast, like there's a fewpodcasts I like I'm like I'll
listen to them while I'mlistening.
What am I gonna do?
Just sit here?
Am I just gonna sit here andlisten to it, like, why don't?
Like, if it's as long as it'snot freezing outside, it will go
whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Just like find something you enjoy sometimes
when I'm working at my desk.
I invested in the littletreadmill that I'll stand the
standing desk and I'll just do alight walk while I'm sitting
here working or standing hereworking, I guess, Not to mention
like just, I love going out tothe mountains and just hiking
and all that is is just walking.

(01:05:45):
I mean, it's walking uphill alot.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
My goal now is to get you guys out to San Diego at
some point.
We're building a new podcaststudio out there and we're going
to go surf and then do apodcast.
It's going to be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Nice Sounds terrible.
Likewise, I got to get you outto Alberta and we are going to
hit up those mountains.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah, we'll go moose hunting, and you know, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Like again going back to the red meat, I wouldn't be
worried about having some mooseright.
I have had moose obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
And people ask me all the time like, am I vegan, am I
plant-based?
I'm like no, I just like Idon't eat a lot of meat.
But yeah, if I go somewhere andthere's like a, a restaurant or
something, like gathering orwhatever, I whatever.
But like that's just for me,like you have found right.
Like you know, brendan, you'refocusing on, you know meat and
you know various things likethat, yeah, you'd feel your best
.
I like eating lots of beans andlike you know oats and peanuts,

(01:06:39):
holy shit, like I, the amountof nuts I eat, stupid, like it's
a dumb amount and that's why,oh, man with the influencers
come after like peanuts for likeaflatoxins and stuff it drives
me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
We used to have we used to have.
One of our first products wassanta cruz.
Paleo was a trail mix and itwas so amazing.
It was a trail mix with nutsroasted in coconut oil, of
course, because most of them dohave seed oils and we put Stevia
sweetened chocolate chips inthere and the product was
rocking it was.
And then summer came around andthose things started to melt

(01:07:08):
and freeze and Amazon started tohit us up and go hey guys,
you're shipping people just likebricks.
Oh, that sucks.
And so then to add the freezerpacks into it, it makes them so
expensive.
It was just like you know, hey,I'll push some products that are
higher end, expensive, but I'mnot going to sell a trail mix
for like $35.
It's not going to happen.

(01:07:28):
Like I think it was $15 forlike a two pound bag before and
but you guys would have loved it.
Yeah, I've, oh, I've yeah yeah,if you got some leftover in the
back of the warehouse throw itin a grinder, it'll be fine
exactly exactly, so yeah but umyeah but yeah, I gotta, I gotta

(01:07:49):
run, I'm gonna get home, but um,anything else you guys want to
cover yes, I want to go back tothe raw milk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
I still have more to say.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Yeah, I was yeah, um, yeah, talking about the, the
benefits of that, um, that's themain, that's a main point for
people talking about raw milk,obviously, and if we look at the
studies that have thosebenefits, um, if you want to
like again, there's few studies,it's not proven, it's not
disproven.
If you want to believe thatthose benefits are there, or if

(01:08:19):
maybe you've experienced themand you have your personal
anecdote about them, thosestudies, they say that those
benefits are also seen in boiledmilk, that there may be benefit
to having these lowertemperature paste, believe in
these, the the evidence is thereand that these benefits are are

(01:09:02):
a thing.
Then the optimal thing would beto have the pasteurized milk,
not high temperature, butregular pasteurized or boiled,
because those still see thebenefits but they also remove
the negatives still see thebenefits but they also remove
the negatives.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah, I think you know.
Look, I mean like with raw milk, like I can confidently say,
like you know, I I definitelyoverstepped with my ideologies
about raw milk and like Icompletely acknowledge like it
can be dangerous, especially theways that people are obtaining
raw milk.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, and when you look into the benefits.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
If you combine yogurt and pasteurized dairy, you're
going to get all of the benefitsof that dairy.
So, like, yeah, in my contentnow like if I do happen to have
the raw farms milk and I'mmaking a protein shake, what I
write on my like Instagramstories and stuff I just write
like grass fed dairy, cause I ama fan of grass fed, better for
the environment, whatever, butthat's what I try to phrase it,

(01:10:01):
as I'm using grass fed dairy andI do in a lot of my posts.
Now I drink the.
There's a brand in Californiacalled Alexander's.
I don't know if it's in otherplaces in the United States, but
they do that low temppasteurized dairy and it's a.
They do have A2 dairy as well,which for some reason it doesn't
bother me if I have the A1dairy, but um so yeah, like

(01:10:23):
stuff like that, I think is thevery reason why I'm on this
podcast.
It's like, yeah, 14-year-old towatch my Instagram story if I
was going, hey, get raw milk,it's really good.
And then they try to go get it,they get some bad source and

(01:10:47):
they get violently ill.
That is not with my goal ofmaking people healthier.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
So right, yeah, to your credit, like, obviously,
the circle Liam and I are in,they're like vehemently against
raw milk.
Right, yeah, experienced that.
But if it like, if it wasn'tfor interacting with you and
taking more looks at thesestudies and being like, okay,
there, maybe this, this lowtemperature pasteurization, does

(01:11:09):
have something going on, the,the possibilities there, yeah,
and so, yeah, maybe, like Istill, yes, obviously,
pasteurize your milk, but maybeif we went back from the high
temperature back to a lowertemperature pasteurization,
there might be some benefit.
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
It's definitely something we should look into, I
think the raw milk thing reallytook off because, like, let's
be real, like now, like a lot ofthese foods and a lot of these
ideologies have become reallypolitical ever since COVID.
Yes, and raw milk taps into thisthing of food freedom, the
government telling you not toget something, and it's just
such a nuanced topic because I'mlike and I try to make content

(01:11:50):
on this I am not somebody whothinks doctors and big pharma
are out to get you.
If you listen to somebody likeBrigham Bueller on Joe Rogan,
who dives deep into it, heexplains it very well where he
talks about basically why youusually can't go to a doctor and
get tons of lab work done,because these doctors can get in
trouble, basically through theinsurance of being like wait,

(01:12:11):
you ordered all these panels forsomebody that is healthy.
That is medical malpractice.
They can get in trouble.
He detailed it in depth and hisconclusion is these doctors are
not evil at all.
There is a system getting builtwith medical insurance and all
this stuff that will lead tosome poor outcomes sometimes,
but I really am trying to getpeople away from the idea that

(01:12:32):
there are people smoking cigarssomewhere trying to poison us
right it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
We vote with our dollars yeah, you guys need to
finally socialize your medicineyeah, yeah that'd be, yeah, so
like um, yeah, no, I totally,totally agree.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
And uh, yeah, I'm totally always willing to step
back from a position I had if Ifeel I was wrong.
Yeah, I don't know why morepeople can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Yeah, and it was very prevalent with the lactase in
milk.
Yeah, yeah, that's just.
I can't believe that getspushed so much.
Still Like, if there's lactasein the milk that's being created
by E coli.
So if there's lactase in themilk it's contaminated with E
coli.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, I just so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
And then, obviously, with the artificial sweeteners
thing, I've definitely taken myfoot off the the pedal there.
Um, it's still not something Iconsume.
I think it'll be interesting tosee what happens with studies
on colon cancer and gutmicrobiome and artificial
sweeteners.
But yeah, people use themoftentimes to help them lose
weight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
I can't really hate on that.
And if somebody DMs me sayingyou know, and like somebody DMs
me saying, oh, I'm drinking dietsoda, do you think I should
quit?
It's like I don't know, like isdrinking water very easy for
you and like it's so easy toquit diet soda, and like you're
not going to consume soda tofill that craving, like full
sugar soda, yeah, then maybe tryto quit diet soda.

(01:14:01):
I might be a a bit of a, I havelike a harder stance there,
right.
But if that same person goes no, actually the diet soda is
helping me, not drink full sugarcoca-cola.
You know, sure I have more of ahard stance with things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I you know, discipline and stuff but that's
what we kind of tell somebodyelse that's what rob and I kind
of appreciate about your channel.
At least you can say like hey,I don't like that.
I don't personally considerthis thing, I don't enjoy it.
But you know, if you do andthese are your reasons here you
go like that's all we, that'sall we want, like we don't want
anything fucking crazy here, wejust want you to be like
everybody's different.
Hey, you kind of do your ownthing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I personally don't like agree with a lot of the
creators that say that you canhave 12 to 50 cans of diet soda.
Sure, I definitely feel it'slower than that and I haven't

(01:14:52):
sat down to look into it toomuch.
But I'm positive that they arenot converting, like these
things are always in rats, right.
And I'm positive they're notconverting from rats to humans
properly, cause it's not aone-to-one ratio.
You can't just be like, okay,it's a hundred milligrams per
kilogram in rats, a hundredmilligrams per kilogram in human
.
It doesn't work that way, yeah,and so I think that the numbers

(01:15:13):
end up being a little inflated.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Totally, totally.
Yeah, well, we appreciate youcoming on, brandon.
I'm going to go to the gym andthen I'm going to game later,
because I do everything inmoderation, like the podcast
you're listening to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I was talking to Rob at the beginning of.
I've made videos coming atpeople that go.
You know, some creators in myfield have been like can't play
video games and be successfuland I'm like I've made a video
back to my buddy Squid, who'slike a young entrepreneur guy
and it was me sitting.
I tried to throw on like aRolex and, like you know, like
jump in a nice car and I waslike I play video games.
Pretty much every day I play agame of Madden or a game of FIFA

(01:15:48):
.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Do you have Baldur's Gate?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I don't have Baldur's Gate.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
You could have joined us.
We live stream Baldur's Gate.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Yeah, we've been playing that.
I'm not into some of those.
You know some of the videogames.
My co-founder, Joe, probablyknows what Baldur's Gate is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
I think you know what we're all saying here is like
be you is the most importantthing, have community.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yep Exercise Find some movement you enjoy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Yeah, like just put in some work on your life, like
a lot of people know what theyneed to do.
You know, they know what theyneed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, we talk about that a lot on this podcast.
Yeah, you already know we'rejust here to encourage you.
That's what this podcast is allabout.
Get out there and actually dothe thing you already know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I thought this podcast was about teaching
people how to grift.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I thought it was about teaching people not to be
the worst.
Where are we at?
What's going on?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I asked Brendan the cutting board question.
That was the most importantthing, so we got an answer on
that I feel much better.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Well, before you leave us, Brendan, where can
everybody find you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Absolutely.
Yeah, they can find me at SantaCruz Medicinals on YouTube,
instagram, tiktok and if theywant to try out any supplements,
it's santa cruz paleo.
On amazon, we're gonna get ourstuff in amazon, canada, soon,
working on that, um.
But yeah, I mean, like I thinkyour audience would like some of
the basics.
We sell their vitamin d,creatine, protein, all that type

(01:17:10):
of stuff and yeah, I reallyappreciate you guys having me on
.
I think this stuff is important.
More people need to do this.
This is literally what the worldneeds more of Like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
I don't agree with you.
I think a lot of people are.
I teased that you were comingon here and I think a lot of
people are expecting a debateand it's like no.
I wanted to sit down and justtalk discuss.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
You got a debate?
Yeah, exactly, and, like youknow, you guys are extremely
intelligent.
It's like, yeah, if you wantedto prove that I'm an idiot, I'd,
I'll be the first one to tellyou I'm an idiot, and I think
you guys are like we don't knoweverything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
I don't know about that.
I talk about how dumb I am.
A lot I've done some prettystupid things on my videos.
I busted a safe with proteinbars in it so I couldn't get the
protein bars out like I don't,don't just I remember that that
happens.
Listen, life, you learn fromyour mistakes and that's what's
important.
Anyway, thanks for coming,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Appreciate you guys so much Anytime, and we got to
get you out to San Diego on theSanta Cruz Renaissance podcast
and we'll eat some steaktogether.
Probably Sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
All right, I'll have some beans and some yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Steaks and beans.

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