February 29, 2024 • 61 mins
Have you ever considered that the key to lasting weight loss might actually reside in your mindset and how you view yourself? Get ready to have your perspective shifted as fitness guru Adam Wright joins us to discuss sustainable weight loss through the lens of self-love and mental well-being. We confront the challenges that calorie counting and diet culture present, highlighting how these often lead to detrimental cycles of behavior. Adam provides invaluable insights into how prioritizing motivation from a place of self-appreciation, rather than self-criticism, can pave the way for genuine and long-lasting health changes.
As we venture further into the nuances of body image and health, we celebrate non-scale victories and the transformative power of positive self-talk. Our conversation reveals the importance of finding a neutral stance on body positivity, allowing for an appreciation of progress that goes beyond mere numbers on a scale. We discuss how mothers and individuals wrestling with body image concerns can find solace in embracing incremental enhancements in their strength, energy, and overall well-being. These shifts in perception are not only empowering but are the crux of adopting healthier lifestyle habits.
To wrap up, we bring a splash of levity to the table with a playful debate on the superior Oreo variety. We also share a chuckle over the quieter aspects of podcasting and the balance one must strike between professional passion and personal life. Join us for an episode that will leave you enlightened, possibly a bit hungry for cookies, and definitely equipped with a fresh outlook on your health journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to in moderation, and today's guest is
someone extra special.
We've got TV's Batman, adamWest.
I was going to go with.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Adam Driver or Adam Savage.
There was a bunch of atoms.
You picked a lot of atoms.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You know, I hear a lot Adam Adam Conover, that's
what I hear a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh you know, that's another good one, adam Ruins
everything.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes, I hear that all the time, literally probably
Well you did just ruin Liam'sWi-Fi shortly before this, you
know always with the struggles.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I mean, I'm a big Mythbusters fan, so I was
probably thinking out of Savage.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
That was all I figured out.
That's a good one.
I'm the least popular Adam ofall time.
That is your profile.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The least popular Adam of all time.
Oh, that would be so good.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh well, adam, why don't you actually introduce
yourself?
Because unfortunately you knowyou're not Batman, you're not.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Batman, you're not Batman.
So, as far as you know, adamWright from Adam Wright Fitness,
I do a lot of talking, a lot oftalking about diet culture and
some weight loss stuff, fitnessstuff, but mostly like mental
changes and mindset changes andtrying to help people learn to
(01:16):
love themselves, which isshockingly hard in this fitness
industry.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So and he also has fabulous nails.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you, nails hair .
You know I'm just havingfabulous, just in general.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, we know, I think Rob and I know a little
bit about diet culture.
In some of the ways it'schanged things for better, most
likely worse.
Yeah, so you know, I think onthis podcast, because we talk a
lot about, like you know, themechanisms by the you know how
you lose weight.
But I would love to talk onthis one.
(01:52):
Just, of course, fairy dust.
But this one I would love totalk more just kind of about the
mindset, because I like a lotof your videos and I like that
and I'd love to talk with youjust about, because you know you
take clients right, you workwith clients and so you know you
.
Maybe you can talk a little bitabout how you work with them
and some of maybe the strugglesthey've had and how you help
(02:13):
them, you know, reach somethingthat is sustainable for
themselves, because that'sreally what I think a lot of
people are looking for.
A lot of people have lostweight, but then, you know, a
couple weeks later the juicecleanse ends you can always.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So yeah, absolutely so I love to do all the time
Anybody can lose weight.
You know you can talk about ohit's so successful doing keto
three times and it's like if youhave to do it again it's not
successful.
So yeah, I really try andreally try and emphasize
sustainability in all mycoaching and videos.
(02:45):
You know, I think I think thatis everybody trying to lose
weight is looking for a magicpill and a quick fix and nobody
judges success based on how longyou kept it up.
They're just like did it work?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I think the big thing here is everybody needs
Liam's tincture.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
The tincture's that's , but you know you do make the
most money off that.
How much money do you make offof the sustainable?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
weight loss and coaching people Exactly.
You want them coming back.
That's exactly how you make themoney, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm really missing out.
Oh, we trust me.
We talk every week about howmuch money we're missing out on
helping people in sustainableways.
It's lame, but you know it'sour lot in life.
So you know those stupidintegrity yeah and integrity is
a pain in the ass.
(03:40):
But yeah, I mean I would love totalk just kind of about you
know, like you know, with your,some of your, some of the
clients you've worked with, whatare some of the struggles that
they that you see kind of timeand time again, Because I'm sure
you see like patterns ariseright, Like you kind of see with
with clients.
What are some of the patternsyou see and some of the things
that they're all kind ofstruggling with?
(04:00):
You know, maybe not doing asperfectly as they should, as
they could be.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know what a big one is.
And I think this is on the topof my brain because I'm working.
I'm literally working on avideo I'll probably film today
about this very subject.
I think a lot of the reasonsthat people want to make it.
I think people are not makingchanges for the right reasons.
So often it comes from a placeof like, hatred and
(04:28):
self-loathing and like I hatewho I am, I hate how I look, I
hate how I feel, and it's sortof like the carrot and the stick
.
You know, like what's drivingyou really.
Is it the carrot?
Like, are you encouraged?
Like I'm trying to really wantto improve the way that I feel,
because I love myself and Ithink that this is going to show
my body.
You know, it's a form ofrespect and care.
(04:49):
Or is it just because, like Ihate who I am and I want to, I
want to make this persondisappear?
I'm trying to run away from whoI am and who I am doesn't have
value.
It doesn't have worthiness.
So that person needs to go, andI think it doesn't.
You're not really going to seea whole lot of lasting change
until you can learn to be led bythe carrot.
(05:13):
You know I'm ready to changebecause I deserve that.
You know I'm worthy of it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And because carrots are great.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And yeah, I do so nutritious.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And you know what's interesting about that that
immediately made me think of is,when I listen to other podcasts
or videos, they kind of thatpeople will talk about that, but
they'll somehow turn it intothis positive thing, or they'll
try to, where they'll say like,okay, I was fat, I was this, I
was that, and then I hatedmyself and that drove me to lose
weight.
And look at me now Everyone'slike, yeah, so I should hate
(05:49):
myself enough to do this and so,like you know, maybe some
podcasts and I'd be, like youknow, joe Rogan podcast, stuff
like that where you know whereI've really seen that you're
like I hated it, so I needed tochange, and it's like well, I
guess that is a reason to wantto change.
But I think a much moresustainable reason would be why
(06:10):
do you want to lose weight?
I mean, maybe I just want tofeel better.
I want to do it for my family.
I feel like that's something Ihear often from people.
It's like I want to be aroundfor my children, my
grandchildren.
I think that's I feel likeright, that's more of a reason
that's kind of sustainable andkeep you at it.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Absolutely yeah.
I always tell I mean, here'sthe thing.
I think people one don't thinkabout their why enough, you know
, I hear a lot like I would justwant to lose weight.
I'm like, okay, for what?
You want to look jacked for thesummer?
Okay, why?
Why is that important to you?
You know, like, let's dig alittle bit deeper.
Or yeah, it comes out of thatself-hated thing.
(06:45):
But I think that I think thatreally doing it for the right
reasons is so important andthat's why I really focus a lot
on my, on the mental healthaspect of it, the mindset of it,
because you can't, you're notgoing to hate yourself to change
.
I mean, some people maybe aremotivated by more of a tough
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love thing, but in my experience, if it goes like 10 years, that
is not a productive way ofchange.
It just doesn't stick with mostpeople.
And I tell people all the timelike you're not going to get a
hard ass coach from me, it's notwho I am and I don't think it
works.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I mean I've been in those areas.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I know what that's like.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I'm not going to be a drill sergeant, you know, I'm
going to be like somebody whosupports you and cares about you
and lets you know that you'relike, you're doing your best and
you're doing enough.
And I think that that sort of acoach or or even just like the
self talk is such it's so muchmore productive and encouraging
(07:46):
than than just like.
I agree with that.
Yes, you can.
Liam swears all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I completely agree, like when I'm coaching myself,
not coaching myself, coachingcomma myself.
I'm not in the gym likeshouting at these people.
You know, get the weight up,you suck, get going, like
usually it's.
We're cracking jokes, we'rehaving fun, I'm making the gym a
positive place for them andit's one of my favorite things.
(08:14):
That I say is that you can'thave health in a negative
environment.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I?
I'm just thinking because Ithink we should acknowledge that
.
You know, everybody isdifferent and I'm sure there are
people who do get, like DavidGoggins, for example.
If you don't know who he is, ifyou ever want to get shouted
out constantly, then go look himup.
You know some people reallythey do enjoy it.
I don't understand it, I don'tget it, but I think those people
do exist.
So you know we're not shamingyou if that is what you enjoy.
(08:44):
I talked to other people who saylike oh to, I was just one day
I stopped eating all processedfoods.
Like that's and that's how Igot healthy, is like literally
nothing left.
And for 10 years now I've onlybeen eating this.
I'm like that is an outlier.
I've rarely see ever people dothat, but they, you know it,
does exist.
Sometimes someone wakes up andjust like Nope, I'm done with
that.
I'm only doing this for 10years, I'm done with that.
I'm only doing this for therest of my life.
But I wouldn't encourage you totry that first.
(09:07):
I guess it's the way I've putit.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, and the way I think about it, I mean I can
totally acknowledge yeah, thereare definitely people who are
motivated by me for variousreasons.
I challenge that and I just saythat what can negative self
talk do for you?
That positive self talk?
Couldn't you know what I mean?
Like maybe you aren't driven byhey, you, fat piece of shit,
(09:32):
like get on the treadmill.
You know what I mean.
I mean, maybe that's what youlike, but couldn't you also
benefit from hey you're, you aredoing an incredible job and
you're working so hard, and likeI'm really proud of myself for
what I've been able to do andI'm going to keep doing it
because I love myself, yeah, dowe really think that that's not
going to motivate you, while,like I'm not going to say the S
(09:53):
port again, but like, just likebeing a jerk to yourself, I just
don't.
I just don't think I don't knowfor me, no matter who I work
with, even if they say like,yeah, I love it, I want you to
be a hard ass, I'm like that'snot my style.
I mean, I totally agree, it'sdifferent.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So I mean, it makes total sense to me from a place
you catch more flies with honeythan vinegar.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think that's the same and I'm going with that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So yeah, maybe.
So.
Do you have anything?
When you talk with clients, doyou have any kind of tips for
helping them kind of find whatmotivates them, Like writing a
few things down, looking at itlike just just in general?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I think you know I talk about this a lot.
I do some group coaching aswell, in addition to my one on
one coaching.
We talk a lot about turningnegative self-talk into positive
self-talk.
I think one of the first thingsthat we do is kind of like find
some gratitude and I think sooften we I don't want to be.
(10:56):
It's important that this is notmisconstrued as, like you know,
an abusive mom telling you begrateful for what you've got.
I don't want to seem like that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I'm so calling this up and just specifically
phrasing it, just to make youlook bad now.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But I think that finding some like just
acknowledging hey, you know whatmy body is not exactly what I
want, it's not where I'm, youknow I'm not super Okay, okay,
sure, you know body positivemaybe, but I can accept where
I'm at and I can appreciate whatmy body does for me.
(11:34):
I think oftentimes finding aneutral ground is a really good
place to start, because I thinkso often we come you know we
talked about earlier like youcould start from this place of
negative, like self-hatred, andthen the other side of the
spectrum is body positivity,which is a fantastic thing, but
not everybody can get there,especially right away.
(11:56):
So especially expectingyourself to go from like God, I
hate my body to I've got theperfect vessel, it's not.
It doesn't seem like that's arealistic thing for a lot of
people.
So just getting like from thisnegative point to a hey, you
know what I'm doing, okay, andmy body does along for me and
it's very resilient and itcarries me to and from, you know
(12:17):
, to and from work every day andit can pick up kids and it's
it's bored children and you knowI mean.
A lot of my clients are mothers,but you know I'm able to, or
children in the other way.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, you're just putting the children to
sleep.
You're so boring.
Now we're back to negativity.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
We look very deep in thought right now.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I like what you said a lot, because we talk we've
talked so many times where we're37 episodes into this and so we
talk a lot about how smallsteps are important.
But we keep saying that interms of you know your diet and
making small changes in yourdiet and exercise routine, but
also in your mindset, likethat's super important.
(13:01):
You're not like you said,you're not going to go overnight
and then just feel like, oh,this is amazing, just small
changes.
You know you feel a little bitbetter.
That's, that's, that'simprovement, that's fantastic.
Yeah, I mean, and it goes foranyone.
You know whether you're tryingto lose weight.
I was like a teenager and youknow I was like the stick thin.
(13:21):
You know like super scrawny andI, you know, you scroll on
Instagram.
You see these people are likeabsolutely fucking jacked and
you're like, oh man, I just, Ijust want to get to, I just want
to get to that.
And you know, I think for me itwas like slowly, over time,
realizing like, okay, that thatis kind of a Instagram is a no,
its own.
We'll call it an art form, justto be possible.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's its own kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's not really reality and kind of slowly over
time had to sort of figure thatout.
So I, yeah, I just, I reallylike that.
Just small changes in yourmindset over time and you will.
You will get there.
Don't, don't beat yourself up.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I call it getting to zero because a lot of people,
the way I kind of put it on anumerical scale, it's like a
hundred, a hundred percent is,you know, body positivity, and
like let's say negative, ahundred is is, is self-hatred.
Let's just get to zero percent,let's just get from a place
where we are.
We just don't hate ourselves.
That's going to do, it's goingto be amazing, right, it would
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be amazing if you could just nothate yourself.
It does a lot for yourconfidence, so you don't have to
flip it on its head, but let'sfind a place of acceptance and
understanding that you're doingyour best and you know what your
body can still do a lot for youand you should still be
grateful for it and show showrespect to it, even if it's not
exactly where you want to be.
I think there's a middle groundthere.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I like that I really do.
That's really good.
Anyway, yeah, now I'm just I'mjust thinking about it, so yeah,
I mean, so let's say okay.
So let's say for, for ourexample, we get to somebody to
kind of a neutral state, youknow where is there a specific
direction.
You kind of take them fromthere to kind of move in towards
that positive space.
(15:01):
Is there any, like you know,any tips for that?
I think I mean for me.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I really try and help clients find a lot of non-scale
victories.
I have moved yes, I reallymoved away from weighing clients
.
I mean, I don't abandon itcompletely, but I don't weigh
them often.
I sort of try and move awayfrom a bunch of numerical data.
(15:31):
I know that that sounds weirdin the fitness space.
The way that I look at it, Idon't abandon it completely.
Like I said, there's stillclients that I have tracked
certain some calories Sometimes.
There's still clients that Ihave, you know, take
measurements and weighthemselves, maybe once a week or
a month.
But there's other clients wherewe don't do any of that.
Instead, we just focus onlooking at other like non-scale
victories.
(15:51):
How is your energy level, how isyour strength, how is your, you
know, how is your mood?
All of these things are reallythings that can drastically
improve and they don't need tobe tied to a number because more
often than not, that number isjust discouraging.
You know, and I'm like guys,you're not going to be able to
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control that number every day,no matter how close you follow
your program.
So why are you giving yourselfthe chance to be disappointed by
stepping on the scale?
It was a hot day yesterday, soyour body was retaining some
extra water, even though you dideverything seemingly right.
Now you've had it.
Now you're, now you're so, nowyou're loathing because like you
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feel like you've failed Rightand you know.
So I'm like let's get off thescale.
I'm just like how are youfeeling?
That's so much more valuable.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I think, and it is kind of because diet culture
has kind of taught us that yourweight relates specifically to
your health and of course Ithink we can all understand that
having excess body, body fatcan increase your risk for
certain diseases.
We, everybody knows this.
But also there are many othermetrics.
Stress is one thing that reallyjust kills.
You know your sleep.
(17:06):
I always, I work in sleepmedicine.
I tell people if you can justlike improve your sleep, that
will do like you don't evenrealize how much that will do
for you, for your mental healthand everything, Even somebody
who's like two people who are atthe same weight.
The ratio of subcutaneous tovisceral fat is going to be
different If you're doingmoderate intensity exercise you
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can move where the fat storageis to a less you know damaging
place.
You can actually eliminate.
If you didn't know, you caneliminate visceral fat, which is
the fat around your organs.
You do moderate intensitycardio.
It kind of shifts some of thataway.
And so there's there's so manyother markers that you can go by
.
Yes, and again, and neither ofus, nobody is saying to abandon
the scale.
You know it can, it can be,it's one tool.
(17:52):
It's one tool.
I think it's basically, justwhat I want to say is it's not
the only tool, I think, and Ithink that's the.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
That's where the that's where the misconception
is true, and I know what that'sthe word.
That is where people getobsessed with.
That fixation on the scale iswhere people fail, because
they're looking at that as thesole indicator of success or
failure, even on a day to daybasis.
And I tell people, if you areweighing yourself every day and
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again in the fitness industryit's a very common thing to do,
but if you're weighing yourselfevery day, you are giving
yourself a chance every morningto be disappointed with your
progress and it's a greatreminder every day that you're
not where you should be.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know what I mean.
Like.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I don't think there's a place you should be, but you
have a place in your head.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You have a goal right .
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Let's say I want to be, I want to be 150.
Okay, so you're at 200 now andevery day you're not at 150 and
you weigh yourself and you see anumber higher than that.
You have failed.
You know, even if it's areminder of what you have not
accomplished.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And so often I just what I hear from people whenever
I do a video, talking about how, if you have one, I'm gonna put
air quotes here bad day, or youoverate, you did something that
you wasn't in your plan.
Whatever it is, it doesn't fuckup everything Like you have.
There's 365 days in a year.
You've got many years to dothis.
So that means math, somenumbers, big numbers, I don't
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know.
You have a lot of time, so oneday is nothing and people are
like thank you so much.
I needed to hear that today.
I get that from so many peopleand so and that's the
frustrating part so you startoff your day, you weigh yourself
, you get discouraged and thenthat leads into worse and that
leads into worse decisions.
Right, and that's it's sofrustrating.
(19:43):
So I mean, I like the idea ofjust getting away from scale,
especially if you're liftingweights, you're doing all these
things, your scales go fluctuate, it's, don't freak out over it,
it's normal for the scale to goa little over the place.
Yeah, have start off withsomething positive.
I'd love for you to start yourday with whatever positive
things.
Some people like meditation orwhatever.
Do you have any thoughts onjust starting your day, starting
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off positive?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Positive affirmation.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Oh, I always start journaling for 50 minutes in the
morning.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, I don't do anything With my lemon water.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's the detoxify pot I don't do any of that, To be
honest, I wake up and I'm likewhere's my energy drink?
That's what I need.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I serve with a call always.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I really encourage people to you know, have a glass
of water.
Like, don't worry about thescale, put that away.
You know, have a glass of water, step outside in the sunshine,
you know, get a breath of freshair and then go about your day.
I discourage people fromgetting right on their phone,
right on social media right away, 100% agree, that's.
(20:53):
That can again very much likethe scale kind of dictate the
first thing.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You don't have control over what you see, right
then, and I know Okay, Onething you need is to wake up and
look at all these fakeInstagram photos that have been
photo shots, absolutely.
Absolutely, or Bobby's poppingup telling you you know, go, no,
I know for me being a hugeanimal person, and cats
(21:18):
especially are like an emotionalsupport animal for me.
I wake up and the first thingis he climbs up onto my
shoulders and he's licking myface and he's, you know, hugging
, cuddling me, and I just spendthe morning doing some stuff
with him for a bit and it's just, it's warming and it feels good
and it starts the day right.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
What I've seen from a lot that works well for a lot
of people is just having a verywhen I say small, I mean like
very small goal, like okay, yougot to make your bed, like when
you, after you wake up, justsomething, just something small.
So you've accomplished a thing.
Is that thing minor?
Is that thing small?
Yeah, sure, it doesn't matter,but that is kind of to get the
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ball rolling into betterdecisions.
My goal is to wake up and, likeyou said, I'm going to go
outside.
I mean, it's Ohio here, it's alittle cold, but in general,
when it's a little bit betteroutside, you go outside and you
get to say a little bit coldwhen you're right beside a
Canadian.
Yeah so you're at the placewhere you can put the boiling
water outside and thenimmediately just freezes
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immediately or whatever.
But, yeah, just get outside,get some sun.
Just a small thing toaccomplish to lead you into that
next step.
And yeah, one of the worstthings you can do is if you get
on the scale and you see a badnumber, then that's just going
to lead you down a worse path.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah.
I think, like you said, like itreally does set the tone for
the day, it really determineslike okay, oh it's down, it's
going to be a good day, oh, it'sgreat.
Well, what am I even freaking,doing this for?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Why am I even doing this?
This is dumb yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Suddenly now I feel like I have to restrict calories
for the entire day.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Oh yeah, how do you guys?
I'm going to ask you a questionnow how do you guys feel about
tracking calories?
And because I have changed alot Sorry to interrupt, I have
changed a lot of my feelings, Ithink, since being on TikTok.
Strangely, the way that I'vecoached has evolved so much and
(23:19):
I see value in it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
But more often than not, it's harmful, in my opinion
, for a lot of reasons.
How do you guys feel about?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
it.
So I think, when it comes totracking calories I haven't done
it in years, I don't know Ithink tracking calories for a
week or two, something like that, is a good idea.
That really just gives you abasis of how many calories are
in food.
I've seen many videos.
People are like hey, how manycalories do you think are in
this pizza?
They're like 500.
Well, actually there's like2,500.
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There's a lot more than yourealize.
We're creatures of habit, right.
We tend to eat the same foodsevery day.
So if you track for a couple ofweeks, you see you kind of know
generally how many calories arein a food.
I think it's good for that.
After that, even if it's notdamaging, it's so exhausting.
Yes.
It's time it's time.
(24:13):
Oh, my God, you go to arestaurant and you're like, oh,
what's that?
And their calories can be offby 30%.
And then I got people asking melike, oh, but if it's not right
, how much is it off by?
And how do I track this?
And this type of fiber only hasthis calorie, so that has that.
It's just like that'sexhausting.
It's so tiring.
Even if it's not taxed on yourmental health, for a lot of
people it is exhausting.
(24:35):
So I think for some people theytell me they love it and they
do it all the time and I thinkthose are kind of the people
that just eat literally the samethings every day.
Like I feel like those are thetype that just have same
breakfast, lunch or dinner andsnacks every day.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Copy paste and the weekends are different.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Like Friday is the same, and then for Saturday and
Sunday are the same, they're alittle bit different.
And then I track all that andfor most people I say it's just,
it's not worth it to constantlydo it.
It's not worth it because it'sjust, it's too tedious, it's too
monotonous, it is months andmonths and years.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, similar to Liam , I tell people yeah, it's worth
doing for a week or two just tounderstand generally how much
you're eating, to try and get avisual representation of what
calories look like, so that youkind of know what you're looking
at when you're eating.
But, like for a lot of people,if you try to do it over a long
(25:33):
time, it will become a needingdisorder.
It can.
It definitely can.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And it's.
It is funny because you'll findsome things.
You're like wow, I neverrealized like this had so many
calories, that had so manycalories.
I remember I weighed out likecarrots.
I'm like there's like zerocalorie in carrots, like it's
like a giant plate.
It's like a hundred calories.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, we did start off the episode saying carrots
are great.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's why I'm thinking about carrots on the
brain and but you know, and thenother foods, you know your
classic foods, like your peanutbutters, your avocado.
You do things high in fat Likeokay, so that's a few more
calories.
They just have to be aware ofthat.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
No, not give it that.
That's another thing withcounting calories.
That'll throw people off andreally mess with them is the
fact that we don't absorb 100%of the food we eat.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And that's true and then.
But then you get down therabbit hole of like, yeah, how
many calories from this and that?
And you know like, oh, I seecorn in my poop.
That definitely means I didn'tabsorb the calories.
How many calories are actuallyin it?
It's like that's.
You know, that's exhausting.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Then you'll.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
then awareness becomes obsession, and that's
when it gets very disordered.
Yeah, and then people areweighing condiments.
You know, oh, we got to weighthis mustard, it's like we don't
have to go that far 20, 25, soI hit 30.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Damn it, that's too much.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I have heard on more than one occasion from
influencers that you need to belike tracking your cooking spray
and they're like you know, whenyou hold it it's not zero
calories, it's actually 10calories.
We spray for three seconds Likewhat are we doing here?
What are we doing and why arewe teaching people this?
Like I get being aware I get,yes, of course like when you add
(27:03):
oil, you add things likethere's going to be some extra
calories.
Do we really need to betracking cooking spray and like
timing this and figure out whatare we doing?
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I think it's better to focus on just changes in
general.
Just say like, oh, instead ofusing olive oil drizzling in the
pan, you can use the spray.
Like, count it, fuck that, likeI'm not going to be counting
seconds, that's insane.
But then, you know, instead ofthis item, have something
similar to it.
Instead of a regular Coke, oh,you have a Diet Coke.
Like, you know, somethingthat's similar and just changes,
because I've been going over alot of those.
(27:33):
For this croissant, you canhave 8,000 strawberries and like
, you know, like, and I think itis good in a way to see, like,
oh, this doesn't have manycalories in it, this does.
Like that is helpful.
But like, no one is like, oh, Iwant a croissant, instead, I'll
have all these raspberriesinstead.
That's just no, you know.
So I think, yeah, it's justhaving a change that's more
(27:55):
similar to the thing that youwanted.
Those things can add up overtime.
But yeah, it's.
It's the cooking spray thing.
It's pretty, it's pretty.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I was like talking about the cooking spray thing,
like that's another thing withcounting calories is when I tell
people you know it's worthdoing for a week.
I also emphasize that.
You know this is a rough thing.
They're rough.
You don't need to sit therecounting the seconds that you're
spraying this cooking spray.
It's just roughly.
You're just trying to get anidea here.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Even if, even if you're exact, you're not Like
yeah, because there are so manyfactors at place.
Yeah, even if you weigheverything perfectly, check
everything correct, it's goingto be wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And I think that's where people get frustrated,
right, because they say Itracked calories and I didn't
lose weight.
And I'm like yes, becausetracking is it is not, it's not,
it's imperfect.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
you know, like you said, it's the only way to know
exactly how many calories inthat food would be to burn it,
and then you can't eat it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Right, and then you have to burn your poop
afterwards and see how manycalories he actually absorbed
perfectly.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think he just came up with a new diet.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
By my poop burner, the poop burner 3000.
You just it looks like a toilet.
You poop right onto it.
You see how many caloriesabsorbed from food.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bobby's going to start selling that next week.
Listen to this episode.
I try and I agree.
I told clients that you knowit's a, it's a short term thing
If we do it at all like.
Let's look, I've had clients doit for a couple of months.
You know like, but it's on andoff and I don't want them to be
obsessed with it.
Like yeah like there's got to besome limits.
(29:33):
But I've shifted a lot intomore intuitive eating, which is
something I had never reallyheard about until probably I
don't know a year ago.
No-transcript.
Learning to listen to like yourbody's hunger cues is such a
powerful thing that people don'tknow how to do.
Is that one of those things?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
where, if I crave chips, I'm really craving grapes
.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh yeah, it's really about learning how to.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
A lot of people.
I hear this a lot.
I don't feel hungry, I don'tget hungry, and what I point out
is that, well, do you get tiredhalfway through the day?
Do you get irritable, do youget brain fog, do you get
nauseous, do you get lethargic?
All of these are hunger cues.
(30:27):
It's not just rumbling in yourtummy and people don't
understand, they don't realizethat.
I remember I probably didn'trealize that too.
I would.
I find myself yawning halfwaythrough the day with a client
and she would kind of likejoking me, like am I boring you?
I didn't realize until laterthat was a hunger cue.
I probably worked through lunchand I didn't realize that.
And so just recognizing thatcan be a really powerful thing.
(30:53):
Oh wow, let me go ahead andaddress that hunger so it
doesn't become even greater.
And then I find myselfovereating later.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So I find intuitive eating a very interesting and I
like, I do like the premise.
I think what you hear, thepushback that you hear, and I'm
sure you've heard, all of ushave heard is the classic oh,
you're just telling people to beslops, you're just telling
people because America's alreadyobese.
You're just, you're just.
You know I'm a devil's advocatehere.
You're just telling them tocontinue doing what they're
doing.
And what you know intuitiveeating is saying I believe I'm
(31:22):
not an expert on it is likeactually, people aren't really
in tune with what their hungersignaling is.
And you know, I think what yousaid I love that, but I also
notice is a lot of people eatuntil they're stuffed, Like they
eat until they're so full thatthey couldn't eat anymore.
And I say, like that's, I thinkyou've gone a little too far
(31:43):
there.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
You want to eat until you're no longer hungry, like
I'm not Exactly, yeah, I've hada decent meal.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
If you overeat like you're, it's gonna be like
Thanksgiving, you know.
After you have that meal andyou're just like oh yeah, what
do I gotta do the rest of the?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I got shit to do you know, so like finding that place
is important For sure, andthat's one of the things that
intuitive eating teaches.
I think there's a fundamentalmisunderstanding of intuitive
eating.
A lot of people will retort ohwell, if I just ate intuitive
eating, I eat this whole bag ofcookies, and that's not what
(32:16):
intuitive eating is.
It is about listening to yourhunger cues, but also listening
to your fullness cues, andthere's a really great thing
that I've learned called thehunger scale that I teach my
clients, and it goes from zeroto ten and it teaches you that
you should be eating, probablywhen you're about a three or a
four, avoiding an overly hungryzero one and two.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'm gonna eat anything in front of me.
Please, I'll eat a horse.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yes, exactly A buoyant place, eating at a three
or a four and then stoppingwhen you're a six or a seven,
now when you're at a ten, nowyou're at you know, eight, nine
or ten, which is only four.
So it's kind of finding thatlittle safe area to start eating
and when to stop.
It helps prevent overeating andactually you know you talk
(33:06):
about.
Well, you know, I would justeat a bag of cookies.
There is a lot of freedom inintuitive eating, but what it
also teaches you is like yes,you can have, you could have a
whole bag of cookies if youwanted to, but if you're
learning how to listen to yourhunger and fullness cues, you're
not going to want to eat thewhole bag of cookies.
(33:28):
You might have a few, but youdon't want.
You know what I mean.
That's the whole point of it islearning not to eat when you're
distracted.
Not to, you know, not letyourself get too hungry.
Not to demonize foods and putthem off limits and make them
even more tempting.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know all of these things.
Okay, adam, you help back meout.
Back me up here, please.
Bananas are great.
They're a great little snack onthe go.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You know what bananas are up.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
No, bananas are terrible.
They're off limits, do you?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
see what I work with here on this podcast.
It's like a prison.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's like a damn prison on the Patreon when I was
announcing the giveaway foreverybody who doesn't hasn't
heard yet.
We're having a giveaway for our25th episode and all you have
to do is join our podcast forfree Patreon.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah thanks to Joggo Fuel Patreon.
Yeah, join our podcast.
Join our podcast for free.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, join a Patreon for free and thanks to Joggo
Fuel for that.
But I told people out there, ifyou guys go to Joggo Fuel and
you buy a banana smoothie,protein smoothie thing, you're
dead to me.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Let's get rather short.
It says bananas are bullshit.
Yes, and he just goes around.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm right next to him , Okay.
Well, now you've ruined it.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
This is worse.
So while he does that nonsense,I'd like to go back.
So I'd like this idea, though,like so if we're looking at a
hunger scale, right, and we'reat like a zero to 10.
So like zero is like zero one,whatever.
One to 10.
I'm on like a desert island.
I haven't eaten in months and,holy shit, I'll eat anything in
front of me.
And then 10 is after yourThanksgiving when you're just
like I'm going to throw up.
(35:21):
So when you get to like a threeor you know, like a three, maybe
you're getting some of like thehunger signalling and some of
the rumbling, whatever, but also, like you said, there could be
other things.
You might be feeling a littletired, a little just out of it,
that sort of thing.
And when you start eating, Ilike, and I like what else.
So you said, eating whiledistracted, because that is
something that so many people do, and I listen, I get it, we're
all busy.
(35:41):
Like, listen, listen, listen,everybody got stuff going on,
we're all busy.
But like you go into the carwith like a bag of chips or
whatever it is you know fastfood, you know I'm not demonized
fast food, I love me some fastfood but like you're just, you
just.
You don't even realize, right,like you start eating and then
you get to your destination,everything's gone and you don't
even remember what happened,right.
And then now you're at a nine.
(36:01):
You're already so full yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, so yeah, and you didn't take, it wasn't
satisfying, you didn't taste it,yeah.
And now you want something else, just to kind of like because
you're like, oh, I'm stillhungry.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm not hungry, but I feel like I'm hungry because I
didn't eat.
I did eat but I didn't feellike, hey, and it's, it's, it's,
it's, it's to take the time,because it takes usually like
what 15 minutes or so for thefood to really the signaling to
go through, and you're like Iate food.
So if you just kind of scarf itdown, it will take a little
while.
So eat slowly.
We talked about this, was itlast week or?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
last week with Gabs, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Gabs, we were talking about how, like shoe your food,
like that seems like a smallthing, but like your food, like
your mom told you, to 20 times.
Yeah, slowly, don't be justscarfing it down and and really
focus on when you're not hungryanymore Not not full, not
stuffed, but hey, I'm no longerhungry, so I'm I'm gonna stop
eating and I'll eat later.
(36:57):
Another thing I have to say ispeople, especially in North
America.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You get, we get that that you have to finish your
plate.
You grow up in your like, inyour parents, are like you need
to eat everything on your plate.
Yeah, you don't have to eateverything on your plate, it's
okay.
Yeah, you can put it in thefridge.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That's a huge one.
That's a huge one.
I I that that probably, that isprobably the biggest challenge
that I deal with with clients isteaching them how to like show
some gratitude.
Thank you for thank you forfilling me up and now I can put
you away.
I can throw you away.
(37:35):
There's a.
There's an analogy I made to tomy my group call the other day.
You guys know who Marie MarieKondo is.
Yes, she's in.
Okay, so she's anorganizational guru and she'll
teach people.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Does it bring you joy ?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah.
So she's like, yeah, thesparking joy, right, like if it,
if it sparse joy, great, keepit, if not, go away.
She teaches people that whenyou throw something away or you
give it away or whatever, tothank it, you know, hey, thank
you blanket for keeping me warm.
You've done your job and now wecan kind of give it away.
I thank you for nourished me.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Now, here you are.
Here's the dog, here's the dogfood.
I know it sounds silly.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I know it sounds silly, Rob, but if you kind of
did that, because a lot ofpeople feel bad and they feel
like they're wasting it.
I'm like you're not wasting it.
It did its job.
It's done.
It was supposed to nourish youand it was supposed to kind of
satisfy you.
If it's done, that you don'tneed to finish it anymore and
you can put it away, it's okay,and a lot of people don't give
(38:36):
themselves permission to do that.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And I joked about giving it to the dog for this
that's something we actually dois well, if we have some
leftovers that maybe we can'teat, or maybe we just didn't
like them, whatever we'll givethem to the dog, as long as the
dogs, you know they're good forthe dog.
We make sure that the food isokay for dogs.
I'm done with my plate ofchocolate and here you go.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
It was a weird plate.
I was hungry and I think, yeah,it's interesting because, again
, like you said, we feel badabout throwing the food away.
But think about the alternative.
The alternative is you forceyourself to eat it Now.
You've done yourself adisservice.
You're actually in a worseplace than where you started, so
(39:22):
save it for later, throw itaway.
It's okay to throw it away.
We've always been told peopleare starving other places.
Well, you're not starving nowand it's not helping them at all
.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
And you're not sending them to plate.
They're not going to get theplate if you don't eat it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
That's not how it works.
So, like I understand thatmindset because we should be
grateful for what we have, Itotally understand.
But it's okay to not, it's okay.
It's okay Everybody listeningit's okay to not finish your
plate.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
We're telling that right now, and I like that.
We should be grateful what wehave.
Well, that's exactly what Adamsjust said, but be grateful what
you had.
It doesn't mean you had to eatall of it.
You can still be grateful forit, yep.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Absolutely so.
Learning how to respect yourbody by stopping when you are
comfortably full is a really big, powerful step in the right
direction to prevent overeating,to prevent this like restrict
and binge cycle, you know.
So it does a lot for peoplejust learning how to listen to
their fullness.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I'm just thinking about it's.
It's so funny with with kind oflike with diet culture.
So what you'll see a lot ofvideos on is like hey, here's a
meal that you can eat untilyou're absolutely stuffed and
you won't want to eat anymoreand you'll lose weight.
I've seen that with like theone woman that just eats all the
fruit.
Like I don't remember.
I don't remember who she is,but she eats just like 32
mangoes in like one sitting orwhatever, and all these things.
(40:45):
And she's like, well, well,yeah, yeah you, you will lose
weight because you won't be ableto eat anymore and you'll be so
stuffed.
But is that, is that enjoyable?
Is that fun?
Like I don't think so.
Yeah, it's expensive as fuck.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, volume eating is a very popular thing, you
know.
I get it on paper makes sense,right, like we're just eating a
lot of things, eating as much aswe want, but it's in it's low
calories.
The problem with that, if youtake that too far, is it kind of
you're essentially permittingyourself to binge.
I mean, maybe on low caloriestuff, but, like you're not
(41:21):
teaching yourself to listen toyour hunger and fullness, you're
just eating as much as possible.
Oh, this is a halo top in thefull pipe.
It's only $15.
Yeah, and like, what are youdoing?
You're teaching yourself thatit's okay to have whole pints of
ice cream, low calorie or not.
That's not, that's not a waythat we should be thinking about
food.
(41:41):
So, yeah, I think that that'swhy I really try and teach
clients how to moderate theirportions, listen to what their
body is telling them, because sooften, yeah, we're just taught
to eat as much as possible, lowcalories, you know, high volume.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And there is a place for that.
And this is the balance wherethis is just fucking tough,
because there's a place for that.
You can have a plate and youhave like I do it all the time
like I want a couple Oreos, youknow, like the peanut butter pie
ones, by the way, which youknow.
Please get there.
Also, I got black and whitecookie recently Also.
Are those better?
I don't know, I'll discuss thislater?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Isn't that just regular Oreo?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
No, no, no, no, see, see okay so what they take, it's
the vanilla on the outside thecookie, and then the inside is
both black and white.
It's split down the middle.
There's something about blackand white cookies I love.
It's like both worlds coming.
It doesn't matter, the point isOreos are great.
This is the whole point of thepodcast for everything else.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
we said Oreos are great.
That's what you should takehome.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oreos are great.
Done, don't be a worse.
And Oreos are great.
Goodbye, 45 seconds.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Shortest podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
And.
But you know, I put a coupleOreos on the plate, like two or
three, and then I, you know, Ilike other things, I like
carrots, I like berries, I likewhatever, I like kimchi, I like
all these things.
So you know, adding, addingvolume can be helpful.
But, like you said, yeah, itcan just get to this point where
people are like I dare you togain weight eating this, and
then people will take that aslike a literal dare, and then
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you know you're eating exactlylike I don't know.
Five drinking five proteinshakes in one, in one sitting,
is like yeah, that's, that's alot.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I like what you're doing there, liam, in the sense
that, listen, I'm going to grabwhat I want, in the sense like,
let me, okay, I'm going to grabthese two black and white Oreos,
whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yes, you got to find.
You got to find with all theother Oreos.
He didn't know.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Oreos are my, that's my, that's my jam, so I'm going
to find them.
But you grab what you want andthen you add what you need.
You know, I'm going to grabthese two Oreos and then also
I'm going to put it with someGreek yogurt and some berries so
that it's more satiating, it'smore satisfying.
You still get what you want,but you, but also you've set
yourself up for success byadding some protein, adding some
(43:58):
fiber and, wow, I'm satisfieduntil my next meal.
Yeah.
So having adding what you wantand having what you need to
balance that out and setyourself up for success.
I think is is a great way to goabout making your meals Even as
a snack.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, so often I see like the oh, this tastes just
like Domino's.
First thing you're going to dois get out your tortilla wrap
and, like I'm already, I alreadyknow this is going to taste
like, or it's going to tastelike, domino's.
I'm already got Oreos on thebright side.
It's not going to taste likeOreos either, but it's
definitely not going to tastelike Domino's.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Instead, have half a slice of Domino's, put it with
the salad you know, and and oh,that's one of my favorites.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Some bull house farms .
I keep getting people reportingmy videos because I'm sponsored
by it.
Neither is this podcast, by theway, but it's a really good
dressing.
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I have you know, speaking of dressing, one of the
things that I have recently achange that I've made in my own
diet is actually allowing myselfto have some good dressing and
not trying to go in thesegoddamn olden farm these old
gallery stuff, the skinny girldressing, oh my God.
How did I ever?
It's diet culture, man, I don'tknow how.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I mean what happened to me.
I was I was.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I really was convinced that they were so good
.
And then I'm like what?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
was I doing.
And then you eat it and you'rehungry, like 30 minutes later,
because you got no fat, you'renot absorbing the nutrients, the
fat soluble vitamins, becausethere was no fat in the salad,
and you're just sad.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Everything about it is sad.
Wow, Liquid like like wateryranch, so good.
If this is mustard, vinegar andwater, yay, yeah, I go, I find
myself some really good dressing, and that's that's worth that.
So, and then you can reallyenjoy your salad and it's not
miserable.
That's it.
(45:44):
That's Adam's tip for the day.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Hot take.
You're such a good dressing.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Don't have a miserable salad, you're such a
good dressing, so that you canactually enjoy your salad.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Oh, I love it.
But you know, what I'd like torewind to quickly is going all
the way back to talking aboutpeople's why and you said, like
the example of somebody saying,maybe they want to have a better
body for the beach and that's.
That's not a why.
(46:14):
That's what you want.
Why do you want that?
That's good.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
One of the things that I was taught when I first
became a trainer is to get tosomeone's why, and oftentimes
you should ask yourself thatquestion five times why?
Why go to the beach?
Okay, why, well, because youknow I want to.
I want to have a six pack, okay, why?
Well?
I've always been self consciousabout my stomach.
(46:39):
Why, well?
My, so pretend you have a threeyear old at your house.
That's basically what you askedwhy?
Why it's so it's such a goodway to actually discover.
You know, until you can'tanswer that question anymore,
then you really haven'tuncovered anything.
And yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I'm wondering, kind of like because you've worked
with a lot of clients over theyears, so do you have kind of a
few ideas in mind for likethings you've seen from people
who were able to change theirlife in a sustainable but way?
It might not be weight loss, itmight be something else, but
just things in common betweenthem that you see are like, okay
, the people that do thisgenerally they're able to stick
(47:24):
to their plan longer and youknow it just works.
I don't know.
I basically understand Are thethings you see that work
generally, that you that you seea common theme, why that makes
sense, why I would say some ofthe characteristics of people
that stick with it are peoplewho are.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
they have a good driving force, a good motivation
.
They have a reason.
Yeah, I think having a goodsupport system is also helpful.
Boy, this is a really goodquestion.
I would say that having anaffinity to like go at this with
an open mind is a good way togo about it.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Being able to change your mind if you're not stuck in
your ways.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
You know right, yeah, because I mean, the hardest
part is unlearning a lot of whatwe've been taught, and it's
honestly it's decades sometimesof I've been told this and I
don't miss and this is how I'vedone it, and so a willingness to
say I'm going to put thisbehind me and I'm going to try
your way at them, or I'm goingto like, adopt this new mindset,
(48:38):
I think that can be a very, Ithink that can be a really
positive thing.
Probably most of all, I wouldsay an ability to focus on the
process instead of just theresults.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
The end goal yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, enjoy the journey.
Yeah, I mean to be honest.
That's why I really focus onhelping people improve their
relationship with food, theirrelationship with exercise,
because so often you just hatewhat you're doing, I hate what
I'm eating, I can never havewhat I want, I hate exercising,
it's not fun for me.
(49:17):
And then, well, what the hell,how long do you think you're
going to be able to last thatway?
So, when you can have true joyin eating and the experience of
eating and feel like, hey, Ihave control and I can eat what
I want, but also I don't feelout of control, and then also I
(49:38):
can go to the gym or I can gowalk, or I can go skateboard, or
I can go ice skate or whateverphysical activity you'd like to
do.
You do that.
You like playing hockey Great.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Well, hockey you have to in Canada.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
It's a normal fact.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
It's a normal fact, but if you like it, you're going
to do it more often.
You know, go play.
I recently got one of these VRheadsets.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yes, let's go.
Did you get the question?
Did you get the question?
I got the question.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
I'm going to hit you up, I'm going to hit you up.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I'm going to hit you up All right, and then my zip
code, pearl.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I'm going to air episode number three live
fromgirl skewer.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
And you got the operator, me, and I'm still
sweating my ass off Like it'sit's, it's crazy, you, and also
like you're kind of stressed inthe game also because like it is
stressful, so that you'resweating for that, like it's
just yeah, if you have, thatobviously costs money all these
things, but if you have theopportunity to, I.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
this is what happens when you actually make TikTok
money.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, Listen you know , listen, be an American.
I don't know what you want.
To come to the land of the freehome of the TikTok?
I know you want, but yeah, goahead.
Go ahead with the VR.
It's.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
It's awesome, but yeah yeah, I just finding
anything.
Anyway, that was the reason Ibrought that up was, yeah, like
we have said, like it's so muchfun and finding joy and movement
.
There was a time I mean to behonest, like even now like there
comes a limit, where I'm likeI'm over the gym.
I don't want to go over time,right?
Oh, like some, it's noteveryone's favorite thing and
sometimes you get bored of it.
(51:26):
So finding another way to findjoy and movement is so important
, it's so valuable.
And then enjoying, you know,having some joy around food too,
and not having an enemy is itwill change your life.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
It was insane to me when Papa Swolio was attacking
cozy cardio, the cozy cardio,such a great way for people to
find joy and movement,absolutely.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Oh my God.
Yeah, that was.
That was infuriating, becausethat's brilliant.
Cozy, cardio is brilliant.
I wish I'd have thought of it.
To be honest, it's such a greatway to get people moving and
enjoy movement.
You know you're talking about,just like you're demonizing
walking.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yes for anybody.
Not because people might nothave heard of it, it's hope came
up with them.
I'm sure we'll get her on thepodcast at some point, but
basically in her own home shehas her like protein coffee.
She has comfy clothes on.
She'll do like either a walkingpad or like and watch her
favorite show or show that shewants to, something like that.
Just that's the whole idea.
Is it's supposed to becomfortable?
(52:32):
It's supposed to be inviting,it's supposed to be warm, it's
supposed to be, you know,enjoyable at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, yeah, and it's a beautiful way to get moving
and to encourage activity, andyet to just shut that down, for
what?
For your masculinity.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
It's for views, it's just, it's rage.
Big is what it is at the end ofthe day, and it sucks, but like
it does get people angry, andgetting angry on the internet is
what drives the algorithm, allthat stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
So what I really hate is just that the people who
attack those people who mightnot want to sit at the gym for
three hours, they feel validatedwhen some influencer posts that
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, that's great for us.
But I love what you said,though.
Like I mean enjoying thejourney and, at the same time,
being able to change your mind,like I think that's so in all
aspects of life, like that'sthat's important.
I think that's great leadersthroughout history.
I'm a weird history buff.
I'm like an old man and like athirty two old body I don't know
if that makes sense but I love,like I love history and that's
(53:36):
something you see as a commontheme, as people actually able
to change their mind and acceptnew ideas based on information
at hand.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
That's something we've said about.
What makes a great influencer,or influencers that actually
have your health and yourinterest in mind, is that
they're open to changing thingsand hearing different points.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
So if you, if, you've been taught something your
whole life.
I know, on learning that can bedifficult, but, man, if you can
just enjoy the journey and go,oh, you know what, that's not
working Ever.
I've been told it's supposed towork, but you know what it
ain't.
So I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to try something elseand maybe that'll work.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
And it's OK that it's not working for me.
It's just something thatdoesn't work for me.
Maybe I respond to somethingelse.
That's OK, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Everybody's different .
You have to find what works foryou, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I remember I did a video on that there was going
over like the bowl situationwhere, like you have to eat off
small plates and there was acreator that she was like I like
to eat out of a massive giantbowl and people in the Internet
lost their goddamn mind.
They were so angry at her likeno, that's not how it works, you
idiot.
You're supposed to eat offsmall plates, dummy.
Like she got to the point whereshe turned the comments off in
(54:50):
her video because people werejust being just really angry.
And I'm just like you know what.
I understand that you've kindof been told that this is the
thing that works, but for thatperson it doesn't work and the
opposite works and that's great,like that's fine, dude, it's
fine, that's what you get whenyou have an opinion on the
Internet.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Why are you?
Speaker 2 (55:08):
so angry?
Why does the littlest thingsmake people so angry?
Yeah, dummy.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Actually, it's not the littlest thing, Liam.
Actually, I want to tell youyou're wrong.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Little things like the color of my nails.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Oh, I bet.
I mean, I painted one nail andI got so many comments, did you?
Speaker 3 (55:33):
really yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I hear.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
I hear all the time.
Oh man, Somebody just told methat I have my hair up in a in a
bun, In a bun bun.
Somebody told me they couldn'ttake me seriously and I lost all
credibility because they calledit a harder daddy handle.
They said cut the harder daddyhandle.
And then I took me a minute Ihad to figure out oh, they're
talking about my hair.
(55:54):
I was like what a weird thingto be upset about, Right?
Speaker 1 (56:00):
How does that impact my?
Speaker 3 (56:00):
credibility?
I don't understand.
Oh man, liam can't get overwhat that's called.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I can't Like.
It's just like.
There's so many things I, youknow, I've with Morticia, you
know I've done, I've donecollabs with Morticia, who is a
brilliant and you should.
She's a microbiologist butbecause she has makeup on and
you know, and then she has, youknow, body Modifications, people
like oh, immediately, I won'tlisten to her, I'm like okay,
right.
But, the shirtless guy yellingabout broccoli.
Like that's cool, like I don'tunderstand, he's got the physio.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
So that's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
I literally like hey, this doctor says this.
There was a cardiologist likebut look at them, look at both
of them, or I bring up Eddie ofyou and they'll like compare
your muscle and I'm like to thesteroid of you who's fully
admitted that he has kidney andliver damage, like what?
Are you doing.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
They didn't say this non-ironically too.
They absolutely mean it?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Oh it's.
The world is an interestingplace.
That is what I've learned fromfrom doing social media.
It's an interesting place.
That's what we signed up for Iguess.
As soon as you get online, theywill judge you for your just
looks.
It's just immediate God andwe're saying this as like white
men too Like imagine, like wealready we already set it up, as
like we already have, like theprivilege of the privilege, yeah
(57:18):
, we still get shit.
Can you imagine being just like, yeah, a black female or a
female minority?
You know?
Speaker 1 (57:24):
trying to give her information, I feel like I had a
video about a trans rightsscheduled to post as we started
this podcast.
I'm not looking forward toopening to talk right now.
It is going to be full ofpeople angry at me, for, you
(57:44):
know, trying to make the worldbetter for everyone, how dare I?
Speaker 3 (57:50):
This is what I have learned.
I think that I don't know how.
I started just a bit before youguys on TikTok, and what I have
learned is that it is neverwrong to stand up for what's
right.
You can.
If you speak on something andyou use your platform for
something that you know is good,you know is right, then fuck
(58:10):
everybody else.
I do not care at all.
I will speak about.
I've talked about my opinionson Robi Wade.
I've talked about my opinionson the, the, the.
I've talked about my opinionson all sorts of things that I
feel are important, and peoplecan have different opinions, but
honestly, this is my page andif I feel like it's right, then
(58:31):
it's right and I don't feel badabout having those opinions.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
What should you?
This kind of took a turn,didn't it?
Yeah, so basically, we're goingto end with the dope beer.
Worse.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Oreos are great and fuck them.
Those are the three?
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yes, but transphobic.
Are we the good guys?
Are we the demonstration of?
It's okay to give some menmicrophones?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Sometimes it's pretty dangerous to give Liam a
microphone.
He didn't actually go into likea 10 minute rant, this one.
Well, that's because I thinkI've been keeping so calming.
No well, there's there's that.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
But also I've been keeping my daughter awake in the
next room over, apparently,with my yelling that my wife,
while I was recording lastweek's episode, sent me a link
to Amazon for sound mufflingthings that I can put on the
wall because I scream so much soI'm going to try and be a
little less crazy.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Just a little hint from the way.
Just you know, that's but yeah,good old Amanda.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Thank you for coming on.
I mean, we've been, we've beenchatting for around an hour now.
I don't know Time flies whenyou're talking about an hour,
yeah, so please, you know, giveus you know, like, where people
find you, where you make yourcontent your it's, your ats,
your things, your bobs.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, you can.
You can find me at Adam rightfitness on Tiktok, instagram,
YouTube.
Yeah, that's where I'm alwaysat, so you'll find me there.
Same handle, every platform.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And what's your favorite?
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I'm sitting back place.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
What's your favorite Oreo before you go?
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Oh, my favorite is I have an answer for this.
This is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
You're going to make a lot of people mad, no matter
what you say, so just beprepared.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It's your stand up for what's right.
That's social media for you.
No matter what you say, you'regoing to piss people off.
Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I'm going to go.
I'm going to go with theclassic, not the double stuff,
just the classic, the regularOreo, just the, the original O G
Oreo yeah.
I think he can't go wrong.
It's a safe choice.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I guess I did, so it's probably going to piss the
least number of people off, soit's probably
Welcome back to in moderation, and today's guest is
someone extra special.
We've got TV's Batman, adamWest.
I was going to go with.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Adam Driver or Adam Savage.
There was a bunch of atoms.
You picked a lot of atoms.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You know, I hear a lot Adam Adam Conover, that's
what I hear a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh you know, that's another good one, adam Ruins
everything.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes, I hear that all the time, literally probably
Well you did just ruin Liam'sWi-Fi shortly before this, you
know always with the struggles.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I mean, I'm a big Mythbusters fan, so I was
probably thinking out of Savage.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
That was all I figured out.
That's a good one.
I'm the least popular Adam ofall time.
That is your profile.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
The least popular Adam of all time.
Oh, that would be so good.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh well, adam, why don't you actually introduce
yourself?
Because unfortunately you knowyou're not Batman, you're not.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Batman, you're not Batman.
So, as far as you know, adamWright from Adam Wright Fitness,
I do a lot of talking, a lot oftalking about diet culture and
some weight loss stuff, fitnessstuff, but mostly like mental
changes and mindset changes andtrying to help people learn to
(01:16):
love themselves, which isshockingly hard in this fitness
industry.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
So and he also has fabulous nails.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you, nails hair .
You know I'm just havingfabulous, just in general.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, we know, I think Rob and I know a little
bit about diet culture.
In some of the ways it'schanged things for better, most
likely worse.
Yeah, so you know, I think onthis podcast, because we talk a
lot about, like you know, themechanisms by the you know how
you lose weight.
But I would love to talk onthis one.
(01:52):
Just, of course, fairy dust.
But this one I would love totalk more just kind of about the
mindset, because I like a lotof your videos and I like that
and I'd love to talk with youjust about, because you know you
take clients right, you workwith clients and so you know you
.
Maybe you can talk a little bitabout how you work with them
and some of maybe the strugglesthey've had and how you help
(02:13):
them, you know, reach somethingthat is sustainable for
themselves, because that'sreally what I think a lot of
people are looking for.
A lot of people have lostweight, but then, you know, a
couple weeks later the juicecleanse ends you can always.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So yeah, absolutely so I love to do all the time
Anybody can lose weight.
You know you can talk about ohit's so successful doing keto
three times and it's like if youhave to do it again it's not
successful.
So yeah, I really try andreally try and emphasize
sustainability in all mycoaching and videos.
(02:45):
You know, I think I think thatis everybody trying to lose
weight is looking for a magicpill and a quick fix and nobody
judges success based on how longyou kept it up.
They're just like did it work?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I think the big thing here is everybody needs
Liam's tincture.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
The tincture's that's , but you know you do make the
most money off that.
How much money do you make offof the sustainable?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
weight loss and coaching people Exactly.
You want them coming back.
That's exactly how you make themoney, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm really missing out.
Oh, we trust me.
We talk every week about howmuch money we're missing out on
helping people in sustainableways.
It's lame, but you know it'sour lot in life.
So you know those stupidintegrity yeah and integrity is
a pain in the ass.
(03:40):
But yeah, I mean I would love totalk just kind of about you
know, like you know, with your,some of your, some of the
clients you've worked with, whatare some of the struggles that
they that you see kind of timeand time again, Because I'm sure
you see like patterns ariseright, Like you kind of see with
with clients.
What are some of the patternsyou see and some of the things
that they're all kind ofstruggling with?
(04:00):
You know, maybe not doing asperfectly as they should, as
they could be.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know what a big one is.
And I think this is on the topof my brain because I'm working.
I'm literally working on avideo I'll probably film today
about this very subject.
I think a lot of the reasonsthat people want to make it.
I think people are not makingchanges for the right reasons.
So often it comes from a placeof like, hatred and
(04:28):
self-loathing and like I hatewho I am, I hate how I look, I
hate how I feel, and it's sortof like the carrot and the stick
.
You know, like what's drivingyou really.
Is it the carrot?
Like, are you encouraged?
Like I'm trying to really wantto improve the way that I feel,
because I love myself and Ithink that this is going to show
my body.
You know, it's a form ofrespect and care.
(04:49):
Or is it just because, like Ihate who I am and I want to, I
want to make this persondisappear?
I'm trying to run away from whoI am and who I am doesn't have
value.
It doesn't have worthiness.
So that person needs to go, andI think it doesn't.
You're not really going to seea whole lot of lasting change
until you can learn to be led bythe carrot.
(05:13):
You know I'm ready to changebecause I deserve that.
You know I'm worthy of it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And because carrots are great.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
And yeah, I do so nutritious.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And you know what's interesting about that that
immediately made me think of is,when I listen to other podcasts
or videos, they kind of thatpeople will talk about that, but
they'll somehow turn it intothis positive thing, or they'll
try to, where they'll say like,okay, I was fat, I was this, I
was that, and then I hatedmyself and that drove me to lose
weight.
And look at me now Everyone'slike, yeah, so I should hate
(05:49):
myself enough to do this and so,like you know, maybe some
podcasts and I'd be, like youknow, joe Rogan podcast, stuff
like that where you know whereI've really seen that you're
like I hated it, so I needed tochange, and it's like well, I
guess that is a reason to wantto change.
But I think a much moresustainable reason would be why
(06:10):
do you want to lose weight?
I mean, maybe I just want tofeel better.
I want to do it for my family.
I feel like that's something Ihear often from people.
It's like I want to be aroundfor my children, my
grandchildren.
I think that's I feel likeright, that's more of a reason
that's kind of sustainable andkeep you at it.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Absolutely yeah.
I always tell I mean, here'sthe thing.
I think people one don't thinkabout their why enough, you know
, I hear a lot like I would justwant to lose weight.
I'm like, okay, for what?
You want to look jacked for thesummer?
Okay, why?
Why is that important to you?
You know, like, let's dig alittle bit deeper.
Or yeah, it comes out of thatself-hated thing.
(06:45):
But I think that I think thatreally doing it for the right
reasons is so important andthat's why I really focus a lot
on my, on the mental healthaspect of it, the mindset of it,
because you can't, you're notgoing to hate yourself to change
.
I mean, some people maybe aremotivated by more of a tough
(07:06):
love thing, but in my experience, if it goes like 10 years, that
is not a productive way ofchange.
It just doesn't stick with mostpeople.
And I tell people all the timelike you're not going to get a
hard ass coach from me, it's notwho I am and I don't think it
works.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I mean I've been in those areas.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I know what that's like.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I'm not going to be a drill sergeant, you know, I'm
going to be like somebody whosupports you and cares about you
and lets you know that you'relike, you're doing your best and
you're doing enough.
And I think that that sort of acoach or or even just like the
self talk is such it's so muchmore productive and encouraging
(07:46):
than than just like.
I agree with that.
Yes, you can.
Liam swears all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I completely agree, like when I'm coaching myself,
not coaching myself, coachingcomma myself.
I'm not in the gym likeshouting at these people.
You know, get the weight up,you suck, get going, like
usually it's.
We're cracking jokes, we'rehaving fun, I'm making the gym a
positive place for them andit's one of my favorite things.
(08:14):
That I say is that you can'thave health in a negative
environment.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I?
I'm just thinking because Ithink we should acknowledge that
.
You know, everybody isdifferent and I'm sure there are
people who do get, like DavidGoggins, for example.
If you don't know who he is, ifyou ever want to get shouted
out constantly, then go look himup.
You know some people reallythey do enjoy it.
I don't understand it, I don'tget it, but I think those people
do exist.
So you know we're not shamingyou if that is what you enjoy.
(08:44):
I talked to other people who saylike oh to, I was just one day
I stopped eating all processedfoods.
Like that's and that's how Igot healthy, is like literally
nothing left.
And for 10 years now I've onlybeen eating this.
I'm like that is an outlier.
I've rarely see ever people dothat, but they, you know it,
does exist.
Sometimes someone wakes up andjust like Nope, I'm done with
that.
I'm only doing this for 10years, I'm done with that.
I'm only doing this for therest of my life.
But I wouldn't encourage you totry that first.
(09:07):
I guess it's the way I've putit.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, and the way I think about it, I mean I can
totally acknowledge yeah, thereare definitely people who are
motivated by me for variousreasons.
I challenge that and I just saythat what can negative self
talk do for you?
That positive self talk?
Couldn't you know what I mean?
Like maybe you aren't driven byhey, you, fat piece of shit,
(09:32):
like get on the treadmill.
You know what I mean.
I mean, maybe that's what youlike, but couldn't you also
benefit from hey you're, you aredoing an incredible job and
you're working so hard, and likeI'm really proud of myself for
what I've been able to do andI'm going to keep doing it
because I love myself, yeah, dowe really think that that's not
going to motivate you, while,like I'm not going to say the S
(09:53):
port again, but like, just likebeing a jerk to yourself, I just
don't.
I just don't think I don't knowfor me, no matter who I work
with, even if they say like,yeah, I love it, I want you to
be a hard ass, I'm like that'snot my style.
I mean, I totally agree, it'sdifferent.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So I mean, it makes total sense to me from a place
you catch more flies with honeythan vinegar.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I think that's the same and I'm going with that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So yeah, maybe.
So.
Do you have anything?
When you talk with clients, doyou have any kind of tips for
helping them kind of find whatmotivates them, Like writing a
few things down, looking at itlike just just in general?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I think you know I talk about this a lot.
I do some group coaching aswell, in addition to my one on
one coaching.
We talk a lot about turningnegative self-talk into positive
self-talk.
I think one of the first thingsthat we do is kind of like find
some gratitude and I think sooften we I don't want to be.
(10:56):
It's important that this is notmisconstrued as, like you know,
an abusive mom telling you begrateful for what you've got.
I don't want to seem like that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I'm so calling this up and just specifically
phrasing it, just to make youlook bad now.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But I think that finding some like just
acknowledging hey, you know whatmy body is not exactly what I
want, it's not where I'm, youknow I'm not super Okay, okay,
sure, you know body positivemaybe, but I can accept where
I'm at and I can appreciate whatmy body does for me.
(11:34):
I think oftentimes finding aneutral ground is a really good
place to start, because I thinkso often we come you know we
talked about earlier like youcould start from this place of
negative, like self-hatred, andthen the other side of the
spectrum is body positivity,which is a fantastic thing, but
not everybody can get there,especially right away.
(11:56):
So especially expectingyourself to go from like God, I
hate my body to I've got theperfect vessel, it's not.
It doesn't seem like that's arealistic thing for a lot of
people.
So just getting like from thisnegative point to a hey, you
know what I'm doing, okay, andmy body does along for me and
it's very resilient and itcarries me to and from, you know
(12:17):
, to and from work every day andit can pick up kids and it's
it's bored children and you knowI mean.
A lot of my clients are mothers,but you know I'm able to, or
children in the other way.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, yeah, you're just putting the children to
sleep.
You're so boring.
Now we're back to negativity.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
We look very deep in thought right now.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I like what you said a lot, because we talk we've
talked so many times where we're37 episodes into this and so we
talk a lot about how smallsteps are important.
But we keep saying that interms of you know your diet and
making small changes in yourdiet and exercise routine, but
also in your mindset, likethat's super important.
(13:01):
You're not like you said,you're not going to go overnight
and then just feel like, oh,this is amazing, just small
changes.
You know you feel a little bitbetter.
That's, that's, that'simprovement, that's fantastic.
Yeah, I mean, and it goes foranyone.
You know whether you're tryingto lose weight.
I was like a teenager and youknow I was like the stick thin.
(13:21):
You know like super scrawny andI, you know, you scroll on
Instagram.
You see these people are likeabsolutely fucking jacked and
you're like, oh man, I just, Ijust want to get to, I just want
to get to that.
And you know, I think for me itwas like slowly, over time,
realizing like, okay, that thatis kind of a Instagram is a no,
its own.
We'll call it an art form, justto be possible.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's its own kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's not really reality and kind of slowly over
time had to sort of figure thatout.
So I, yeah, I just, I reallylike that.
Just small changes in yourmindset over time and you will.
You will get there.
Don't, don't beat yourself up.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I call it getting to zero because a lot of people,
the way I kind of put it on anumerical scale, it's like a
hundred, a hundred percent is,you know, body positivity, and
like let's say negative, ahundred is is, is self-hatred.
Let's just get to zero percent,let's just get from a place
where we are.
We just don't hate ourselves.
That's going to do, it's goingto be amazing, right, it would
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be amazing if you could just nothate yourself.
It does a lot for yourconfidence, so you don't have to
flip it on its head, but let'sfind a place of acceptance and
understanding that you're doingyour best and you know what your
body can still do a lot for youand you should still be
grateful for it and show showrespect to it, even if it's not
exactly where you want to be.
I think there's a middle groundthere.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I like that I really do.
That's really good.
Anyway, yeah, now I'm just I'mjust thinking about it, so yeah,
I mean, so let's say okay.
So let's say for, for ourexample, we get to somebody to
kind of a neutral state, youknow where is there a specific
direction.
You kind of take them fromthere to kind of move in towards
that positive space.
(15:01):
Is there any, like you know,any tips for that?
I think I mean for me.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I really try and help clients find a lot of non-scale
victories.
I have moved yes, I reallymoved away from weighing clients
.
I mean, I don't abandon itcompletely, but I don't weigh
them often.
I sort of try and move awayfrom a bunch of numerical data.
(15:31):
I know that that sounds weirdin the fitness space.
The way that I look at it, Idon't abandon it completely.
Like I said, there's stillclients that I have tracked
certain some calories Sometimes.
There's still clients that Ihave, you know, take
measurements and weighthemselves, maybe once a week or
a month.
But there's other clients wherewe don't do any of that.
Instead, we just focus onlooking at other like non-scale
victories.
(15:51):
How is your energy level, how isyour strength, how is your, you
know, how is your mood?
All of these things are reallythings that can drastically
improve and they don't need tobe tied to a number because more
often than not, that number isjust discouraging.
You know, and I'm like guys,you're not going to be able to
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control that number every day,no matter how close you follow
your program.
So why are you giving yourselfthe chance to be disappointed by
stepping on the scale?
It was a hot day yesterday, soyour body was retaining some
extra water, even though you dideverything seemingly right.
Now you've had it.
Now you're, now you're so, nowyou're loathing because like you
(16:35):
feel like you've failed Rightand you know.
So I'm like let's get off thescale.
I'm just like how are youfeeling?
That's so much more valuable.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I think, and it is kind of because diet culture
has kind of taught us that yourweight relates specifically to
your health and of course Ithink we can all understand that
having excess body, body fatcan increase your risk for
certain diseases.
We, everybody knows this.
But also there are many othermetrics.
Stress is one thing that reallyjust kills.
You know your sleep.
(17:06):
I always, I work in sleepmedicine.
I tell people if you can justlike improve your sleep, that
will do like you don't evenrealize how much that will do
for you, for your mental healthand everything, Even somebody
who's like two people who are atthe same weight.
The ratio of subcutaneous tovisceral fat is going to be
different If you're doingmoderate intensity exercise you
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can move where the fat storageis to a less you know damaging
place.
You can actually eliminate.
If you didn't know, you caneliminate visceral fat, which is
the fat around your organs.
You do moderate intensitycardio.
It kind of shifts some of thataway.
And so there's there's so manyother markers that you can go by
.
Yes, and again, and neither ofus, nobody is saying to abandon
the scale.
You know it can, it can be,it's one tool.
(17:52):
It's one tool.
I think it's basically, justwhat I want to say is it's not
the only tool, I think, and Ithink that's the.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
That's where the that's where the misconception
is true, and I know what that'sthe word.
That is where people getobsessed with.
That fixation on the scale iswhere people fail, because
they're looking at that as thesole indicator of success or
failure, even on a day to daybasis.
And I tell people, if you areweighing yourself every day and
(18:21):
again in the fitness industryit's a very common thing to do,
but if you're weighing yourselfevery day, you are giving
yourself a chance every morningto be disappointed with your
progress and it's a greatreminder every day that you're
not where you should be.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You know what I mean.
Like.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I don't think there's a place you should be, but you
have a place in your head.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You have a goal right .
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Let's say I want to be, I want to be 150.
Okay, so you're at 200 now andevery day you're not at 150 and
you weigh yourself and you see anumber higher than that.
You have failed.
You know, even if it's areminder of what you have not
accomplished.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
And so often I just what I hear from people whenever
I do a video, talking about how, if you have one, I'm gonna put
air quotes here bad day, or youoverate, you did something that
you wasn't in your plan.
Whatever it is, it doesn't fuckup everything Like you have.
There's 365 days in a year.
You've got many years to dothis.
So that means math, somenumbers, big numbers, I don't
(19:21):
know.
You have a lot of time, so oneday is nothing and people are
like thank you so much.
I needed to hear that today.
I get that from so many peopleand so and that's the
frustrating part so you startoff your day, you weigh yourself
, you get discouraged and thenthat leads into worse and that
leads into worse decisions.
Right, and that's it's sofrustrating.
(19:43):
So I mean, I like the idea ofjust getting away from scale,
especially if you're liftingweights, you're doing all these
things, your scales go fluctuate, it's, don't freak out over it,
it's normal for the scale to goa little over the place.
Yeah, have start off withsomething positive.
I'd love for you to start yourday with whatever positive
things.
Some people like meditation orwhatever.
Do you have any thoughts onjust starting your day, starting
(20:04):
off positive?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Positive affirmation.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Oh, I always start journaling for 50 minutes in the
morning.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, I don't do anything With my lemon water.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's the detoxify pot I don't do any of that, To be
honest, I wake up and I'm likewhere's my energy drink?
That's what I need.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I serve with a call always.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I really encourage people to you know, have a glass
of water.
Like, don't worry about thescale, put that away.
You know, have a glass of water, step outside in the sunshine,
you know, get a breath of freshair and then go about your day.
I discourage people fromgetting right on their phone,
right on social media right away, 100% agree, that's.
(20:53):
That can again very much likethe scale kind of dictate the
first thing.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You don't have control over what you see, right
then, and I know Okay, Onething you need is to wake up and
look at all these fakeInstagram photos that have been
photo shots, absolutely.
Absolutely, or Bobby's poppingup telling you you know, go, no,
I know for me being a hugeanimal person, and cats
(21:18):
especially are like an emotionalsupport animal for me.
I wake up and the first thingis he climbs up onto my
shoulders and he's licking myface and he's, you know, hugging
, cuddling me, and I just spendthe morning doing some stuff
with him for a bit and it's just, it's warming and it feels good
and it starts the day right.
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
What I've seen from a lot that works well for a lot
of people is just having a verywhen I say small, I mean like
very small goal, like okay, yougot to make your bed, like when
you, after you wake up, justsomething, just something small.
So you've accomplished a thing.
Is that thing minor?
Is that thing small?
Yeah, sure, it doesn't matter,but that is kind of to get the
(22:02):
ball rolling into betterdecisions.
My goal is to wake up and, likeyou said, I'm going to go
outside.
I mean, it's Ohio here, it's alittle cold, but in general,
when it's a little bit betteroutside, you go outside and you
get to say a little bit coldwhen you're right beside a
Canadian.
Yeah so you're at the placewhere you can put the boiling
water outside and thenimmediately just freezes
(22:23):
immediately or whatever.
But, yeah, just get outside,get some sun.
Just a small thing toaccomplish to lead you into that
next step.
And yeah, one of the worstthings you can do is if you get
on the scale and you see a badnumber, then that's just going
to lead you down a worse path.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, yeah.
I think, like you said, like itreally does set the tone for
the day, it really determineslike okay, oh it's down, it's
going to be a good day, oh, it'sgreat.
Well, what am I even freaking,doing this for?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Why am I even doing this?
This is dumb yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Suddenly now I feel like I have to restrict calories
for the entire day.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Oh yeah, how do you guys?
I'm going to ask you a questionnow how do you guys feel about
tracking calories?
And because I have changed alot Sorry to interrupt, I have
changed a lot of my feelings, Ithink, since being on TikTok.
Strangely, the way that I'vecoached has evolved so much and
(23:19):
I see value in it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
But more often than not, it's harmful, in my opinion
, for a lot of reasons.
How do you guys feel about?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
it.
So I think, when it comes totracking calories I haven't done
it in years, I don't know Ithink tracking calories for a
week or two, something like that, is a good idea.
That really just gives you abasis of how many calories are
in food.
I've seen many videos.
People are like hey, how manycalories do you think are in
this pizza?
They're like 500.
Well, actually there's like2,500.
(23:51):
There's a lot more than yourealize.
We're creatures of habit, right.
We tend to eat the same foodsevery day.
So if you track for a couple ofweeks, you see you kind of know
generally how many calories arein a food.
I think it's good for that.
After that, even if it's notdamaging, it's so exhausting.
Yes.
It's time it's time.
(24:13):
Oh, my God, you go to arestaurant and you're like, oh,
what's that?
And their calories can be offby 30%.
And then I got people asking melike, oh, but if it's not right
, how much is it off by?
And how do I track this?
And this type of fiber only hasthis calorie, so that has that.
It's just like that'sexhausting.
It's so tiring.
Even if it's not taxed on yourmental health, for a lot of
people it is exhausting.
(24:35):
So I think for some people theytell me they love it and they
do it all the time and I thinkthose are kind of the people
that just eat literally the samethings every day.
Like I feel like those are thetype that just have same
breakfast, lunch or dinner andsnacks every day.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Copy paste and the weekends are different.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Like Friday is the same, and then for Saturday and
Sunday are the same, they're alittle bit different.
And then I track all that andfor most people I say it's just,
it's not worth it to constantlydo it.
It's not worth it because it'sjust, it's too tedious, it's too
monotonous, it is months andmonths and years.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, similar to Liam , I tell people yeah, it's worth
doing for a week or two just tounderstand generally how much
you're eating, to try and get avisual representation of what
calories look like, so that youkind of know what you're looking
at when you're eating.
But, like for a lot of people,if you try to do it over a long
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time, it will become a needingdisorder.
It can.
It definitely can.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And it's.
It is funny because you'll findsome things.
You're like wow, I neverrealized like this had so many
calories, that had so manycalories.
I remember I weighed out likecarrots.
I'm like there's like zerocalorie in carrots, like it's
like a giant plate.
It's like a hundred calories.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, we did start off the episode saying carrots
are great.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
That's why I'm thinking about carrots on the
brain and but you know, and thenother foods, you know your
classic foods, like your peanutbutters, your avocado.
You do things high in fat Likeokay, so that's a few more
calories.
They just have to be aware ofthat.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
No, not give it that.
That's another thing withcounting calories.
That'll throw people off andreally mess with them is the
fact that we don't absorb 100%of the food we eat.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And that's true and then.
But then you get down therabbit hole of like, yeah, how
many calories from this and that?
And you know like, oh, I seecorn in my poop.
That definitely means I didn'tabsorb the calories.
How many calories are actuallyin it?
It's like that's.
You know, that's exhausting.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Then you'll.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
then awareness becomes obsession, and that's
when it gets very disordered.
Yeah, and then people areweighing condiments.
You know, oh, we got to weighthis mustard, it's like we don't
have to go that far 20, 25, soI hit 30.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Damn it, that's too much.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I have heard on more than one occasion from
influencers that you need to belike tracking your cooking spray
and they're like you know, whenyou hold it it's not zero
calories, it's actually 10calories.
We spray for three seconds Likewhat are we doing here?
What are we doing and why arewe teaching people this?
Like I get being aware I get,yes, of course like when you add
(27:03):
oil, you add things likethere's going to be some extra
calories.
Do we really need to betracking cooking spray and like
timing this and figure out whatare we doing?
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I think it's better to focus on just changes in
general.
Just say like, oh, instead ofusing olive oil drizzling in the
pan, you can use the spray.
Like, count it, fuck that, likeI'm not going to be counting
seconds, that's insane.
But then, you know, instead ofthis item, have something
similar to it.
Instead of a regular Coke, oh,you have a Diet Coke.
Like, you know, somethingthat's similar and just changes,
because I've been going over alot of those.
(27:33):
For this croissant, you canhave 8,000 strawberries and like
, you know, like, and I think itis good in a way to see, like,
oh, this doesn't have manycalories in it, this does.
Like that is helpful.
But like, no one is like, oh, Iwant a croissant, instead, I'll
have all these raspberriesinstead.
That's just no, you know.
So I think, yeah, it's justhaving a change that's more
(27:55):
similar to the thing that youwanted.
Those things can add up overtime.
But yeah, it's.
It's the cooking spray thing.
It's pretty, it's pretty.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
I was like talking about the cooking spray thing,
like that's another thing withcounting calories is when I tell
people you know it's worthdoing for a week.
I also emphasize that.
You know this is a rough thing.
They're rough.
You don't need to sit therecounting the seconds that you're
spraying this cooking spray.
It's just roughly.
You're just trying to get anidea here.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Even if, even if you're exact, you're not Like
yeah, because there are so manyfactors at place.
Yeah, even if you weigheverything perfectly, check
everything correct, it's goingto be wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
And I think that's where people get frustrated,
right, because they say Itracked calories and I didn't
lose weight.
And I'm like yes, becausetracking is it is not, it's not,
it's imperfect.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
you know, like you said, it's the only way to know
exactly how many calories inthat food would be to burn it,
and then you can't eat it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Right, and then you have to burn your poop
afterwards and see how manycalories he actually absorbed
perfectly.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I think he just came up with a new diet.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
By my poop burner, the poop burner 3000.
You just it looks like a toilet.
You poop right onto it.
You see how many caloriesabsorbed from food.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bobby's going to start selling that next week.
Listen to this episode.
I try and I agree.
I told clients that you knowit's a, it's a short term thing
If we do it at all like.
Let's look, I've had clients doit for a couple of months.
You know like, but it's on andoff and I don't want them to be
obsessed with it.
Like yeah like there's got to besome limits.
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But I've shifted a lot intomore intuitive eating, which is
something I had never reallyheard about until probably I
don't know a year ago.
No-transcript.
Learning to listen to like yourbody's hunger cues is such a
powerful thing that people don'tknow how to do.
Is that one of those things?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
where, if I crave chips, I'm really craving grapes
.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh yeah, it's really about learning how to.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
A lot of people.
I hear this a lot.
I don't feel hungry, I don'tget hungry, and what I point out
is that, well, do you get tiredhalfway through the day?
Do you get irritable, do youget brain fog, do you get
nauseous, do you get lethargic?
All of these are hunger cues.
(30:27):
It's not just rumbling in yourtummy and people don't
understand, they don't realizethat.
I remember I probably didn'trealize that too.
I would.
I find myself yawning halfwaythrough the day with a client
and she would kind of likejoking me, like am I boring you?
I didn't realize until laterthat was a hunger cue.
I probably worked through lunchand I didn't realize that.
And so just recognizing thatcan be a really powerful thing.
(30:53):
Oh wow, let me go ahead andaddress that hunger so it
doesn't become even greater.
And then I find myselfovereating later.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So I find intuitive eating a very interesting and I
like, I do like the premise.
I think what you hear, thepushback that you hear, and I'm
sure you've heard, all of ushave heard is the classic oh,
you're just telling people to beslops, you're just telling
people because America's alreadyobese.
You're just, you're just.
You know I'm a devil's advocatehere.
You're just telling them tocontinue doing what they're
doing.
And what you know intuitiveeating is saying I believe I'm
(31:22):
not an expert on it is likeactually, people aren't really
in tune with what their hungersignaling is.
And you know, I think what yousaid I love that, but I also
notice is a lot of people eatuntil they're stuffed, Like they
eat until they're so full thatthey couldn't eat anymore.
And I say, like that's, I thinkyou've gone a little too far
(31:43):
there.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
You want to eat until you're no longer hungry, like
I'm not Exactly, yeah, I've hada decent meal.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
If you overeat like you're, it's gonna be like
Thanksgiving, you know.
After you have that meal andyou're just like oh yeah, what
do I gotta do the rest of the?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I got shit to do you know, so like finding that place
is important For sure, andthat's one of the things that
intuitive eating teaches.
I think there's a fundamentalmisunderstanding of intuitive
eating.
A lot of people will retort ohwell, if I just ate intuitive
eating, I eat this whole bag ofcookies, and that's not what
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intuitive eating is.
It is about listening to yourhunger cues, but also listening
to your fullness cues, andthere's a really great thing
that I've learned called thehunger scale that I teach my
clients, and it goes from zeroto ten and it teaches you that
you should be eating, probablywhen you're about a three or a
four, avoiding an overly hungryzero one and two.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'm gonna eat anything in front of me.
Please, I'll eat a horse.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yes, exactly A buoyant place, eating at a three
or a four and then stoppingwhen you're a six or a seven,
now when you're at a ten, nowyou're at you know, eight, nine
or ten, which is only four.
So it's kind of finding thatlittle safe area to start eating
and when to stop.
It helps prevent overeating andactually you know you talk
(33:06):
about.
Well, you know, I would justeat a bag of cookies.
There is a lot of freedom inintuitive eating, but what it
also teaches you is like yes,you can have, you could have a
whole bag of cookies if youwanted to, but if you're
learning how to listen to yourhunger and fullness cues, you're
not going to want to eat thewhole bag of cookies.
(33:28):
You might have a few, but youdon't want.
You know what I mean.
That's the whole point of it islearning not to eat when you're
distracted.
Not to, you know, not letyourself get too hungry.
Not to demonize foods and putthem off limits and make them
even more tempting.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You know all of these things.
Okay, adam, you help back meout.
Back me up here, please.
Bananas are great.
They're a great little snack onthe go.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You know what bananas are up.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
No, bananas are terrible.
They're off limits, do you?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
see what I work with here on this podcast.
It's like a prison.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's like a damn prison on the Patreon when I was
announcing the giveaway foreverybody who doesn't hasn't
heard yet.
We're having a giveaway for our25th episode and all you have
to do is join our podcast forfree Patreon.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah thanks to Joggo Fuel Patreon.
Yeah, join our podcast.
Join our podcast for free.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, join a Patreon for free and thanks to Joggo
Fuel for that.
But I told people out there, ifyou guys go to Joggo Fuel and
you buy a banana smoothie,protein smoothie thing, you're
dead to me.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Let's get rather short.
It says bananas are bullshit.
Yes, and he just goes around.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm right next to him , Okay.
Well, now you've ruined it.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
This is worse.
So while he does that nonsense,I'd like to go back.
So I'd like this idea, though,like so if we're looking at a
hunger scale, right, and we'reat like a zero to 10.
So like zero is like zero one,whatever.
One to 10.
I'm on like a desert island.
I haven't eaten in months and,holy shit, I'll eat anything in
front of me.
And then 10 is after yourThanksgiving when you're just
like I'm going to throw up.
(35:21):
So when you get to like a threeor you know, like a three, maybe
you're getting some of like thehunger signalling and some of
the rumbling, whatever, but also, like you said, there could be
other things.
You might be feeling a littletired, a little just out of it,
that sort of thing.
And when you start eating, Ilike, and I like what else.
So you said, eating whiledistracted, because that is
something that so many people do, and I listen, I get it, we're
all busy.
(35:41):
Like, listen, listen, listen,everybody got stuff going on,
we're all busy.
But like you go into the carwith like a bag of chips or
whatever it is you know fastfood, you know I'm not demonized
fast food, I love me some fastfood but like you're just, you
just.
You don't even realize, right,like you start eating and then
you get to your destination,everything's gone and you don't
even remember what happened,right.
And then now you're at a nine.
(36:01):
You're already so full yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, so yeah, and you didn't take, it wasn't
satisfying, you didn't taste it,yeah.
And now you want something else, just to kind of like because
you're like, oh, I'm stillhungry.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'm not hungry, but I feel like I'm hungry because I
didn't eat.
I did eat but I didn't feellike, hey, and it's, it's, it's,
it's, it's to take the time,because it takes usually like
what 15 minutes or so for thefood to really the signaling to
go through, and you're like Iate food.
So if you just kind of scarf itdown, it will take a little
while.
So eat slowly.
We talked about this, was itlast week or?
Speaker 1 (36:35):
last week with Gabs, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Gabs, we were talking about how, like shoe your food,
like that seems like a smallthing, but like your food, like
your mom told you, to 20 times.
Yeah, slowly, don't be justscarfing it down and and really
focus on when you're not hungryanymore Not not full, not
stuffed, but hey, I'm no longerhungry, so I'm I'm gonna stop
eating and I'll eat later.
(36:57):
Another thing I have to say ispeople, especially in North
America.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You get, we get that that you have to finish your
plate.
You grow up in your like, inyour parents, are like you need
to eat everything on your plate.
Yeah, you don't have to eateverything on your plate, it's
okay.
Yeah, you can put it in thefridge.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That's a huge one.
That's a huge one.
I I that that probably, that isprobably the biggest challenge
that I deal with with clients isteaching them how to like show
some gratitude.
Thank you for thank you forfilling me up and now I can put
you away.
I can throw you away.
(37:35):
There's a.
There's an analogy I made to tomy my group call the other day.
You guys know who Marie MarieKondo is.
Yes, she's in.
Okay, so she's anorganizational guru and she'll
teach people.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Does it bring you joy ?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah.
So she's like, yeah, thesparking joy, right, like if it,
if it sparse joy, great, keepit, if not, go away.
She teaches people that whenyou throw something away or you
give it away or whatever, tothank it, you know, hey, thank
you blanket for keeping me warm.
You've done your job and now wecan kind of give it away.
I thank you for nourished me.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Now, here you are.
Here's the dog, here's the dogfood.
I know it sounds silly.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I know it sounds silly, Rob, but if you kind of
did that, because a lot ofpeople feel bad and they feel
like they're wasting it.
I'm like you're not wasting it.
It did its job.
It's done.
It was supposed to nourish youand it was supposed to kind of
satisfy you.
If it's done, that you don'tneed to finish it anymore and
you can put it away, it's okay,and a lot of people don't give
(38:36):
themselves permission to do that.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And I joked about giving it to the dog for this
that's something we actually dois well, if we have some
leftovers that maybe we can'teat, or maybe we just didn't
like them, whatever we'll givethem to the dog, as long as the
dogs, you know they're good forthe dog.
We make sure that the food isokay for dogs.
I'm done with my plate ofchocolate and here you go.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
It was a weird plate.
I was hungry and I think, yeah,it's interesting because, again
, like you said, we feel badabout throwing the food away.
But think about the alternative.
The alternative is you forceyourself to eat it Now.
You've done yourself adisservice.
You're actually in a worseplace than where you started, so
(39:22):
save it for later, throw itaway.
It's okay to throw it away.
We've always been told peopleare starving other places.
Well, you're not starving nowand it's not helping them at all
.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
And you're not sending them to plate.
They're not going to get theplate if you don't eat it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
That's not how it works.
So, like I understand thatmindset because we should be
grateful for what we have, Itotally understand.
But it's okay to not, it's okay.
It's okay Everybody listeningit's okay to not finish your
plate.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
We're telling that right now, and I like that.
We should be grateful what wehave.
Well, that's exactly what Adamsjust said, but be grateful what
you had.
It doesn't mean you had to eatall of it.
You can still be grateful forit, yep.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Absolutely so.
Learning how to respect yourbody by stopping when you are
comfortably full is a really big, powerful step in the right
direction to prevent overeating,to prevent this like restrict
and binge cycle, you know.
So it does a lot for peoplejust learning how to listen to
their fullness.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I'm just thinking about it's.
It's so funny with with kind oflike with diet culture.
So what you'll see a lot ofvideos on is like hey, here's a
meal that you can eat untilyou're absolutely stuffed and
you won't want to eat anymoreand you'll lose weight.
I've seen that with like theone woman that just eats all the
fruit.
Like I don't remember.
I don't remember who she is,but she eats just like 32
mangoes in like one sitting orwhatever, and all these things.
(40:45):
And she's like, well, well,yeah, yeah you, you will lose
weight because you won't be ableto eat anymore and you'll be so
stuffed.
But is that, is that enjoyable?
Is that fun?
Like I don't think so.
Yeah, it's expensive as fuck.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, volume eating is a very popular thing, you
know.
I get it on paper makes sense,right, like we're just eating a
lot of things, eating as much aswe want, but it's in it's low
calories.
The problem with that, if youtake that too far, is it kind of
you're essentially permittingyourself to binge.
I mean, maybe on low caloriestuff, but, like you're not
(41:21):
teaching yourself to listen toyour hunger and fullness, you're
just eating as much as possible.
Oh, this is a halo top in thefull pipe.
It's only $15.
Yeah, and like, what are youdoing?
You're teaching yourself thatit's okay to have whole pints of
ice cream, low calorie or not.
That's not, that's not a waythat we should be thinking about
food.
(41:41):
So, yeah, I think that that'swhy I really try and teach
clients how to moderate theirportions, listen to what their
body is telling them, because sooften, yeah, we're just taught
to eat as much as possible, lowcalories, you know, high volume.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And there is a place for that.
And this is the balance wherethis is just fucking tough,
because there's a place for that.
You can have a plate and youhave like I do it all the time
like I want a couple Oreos, youknow, like the peanut butter pie
ones, by the way, which youknow.
Please get there.
Also, I got black and whitecookie recently Also.
Are those better?
I don't know, I'll discuss thislater?
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Isn't that just regular Oreo?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
No, no, no, no, see, see okay so what they take, it's
the vanilla on the outside thecookie, and then the inside is
both black and white.
It's split down the middle.
There's something about blackand white cookies I love.
It's like both worlds coming.
It doesn't matter, the point isOreos are great.
This is the whole point of thepodcast for everything else.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
we said Oreos are great.
That's what you should takehome.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oreos are great.
Done, don't be a worse.
And Oreos are great.
Goodbye, 45 seconds.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Shortest podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
And.
But you know, I put a coupleOreos on the plate, like two or
three, and then I, you know, Ilike other things, I like
carrots, I like berries, I likewhatever, I like kimchi, I like
all these things.
So you know, adding, addingvolume can be helpful.
But, like you said, yeah, itcan just get to this point where
people are like I dare you togain weight eating this, and
then people will take that aslike a literal dare, and then
(43:14):
you know you're eating exactlylike I don't know.
Five drinking five proteinshakes in one, in one sitting,
is like yeah, that's, that's alot.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I like what you're doing there, liam, in the sense
that, listen, I'm going to grabwhat I want, in the sense like,
let me, okay, I'm going to grabthese two black and white Oreos,
whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yes, you got to find.
You got to find with all theother Oreos.
He didn't know.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Oreos are my, that's my, that's my jam, so I'm going
to find them.
But you grab what you want andthen you add what you need.
You know, I'm going to grabthese two Oreos and then also
I'm going to put it with someGreek yogurt and some berries so
that it's more satiating, it'smore satisfying.
You still get what you want,but you, but also you've set
yourself up for success byadding some protein, adding some
(43:58):
fiber and, wow, I'm satisfieduntil my next meal.
Yeah.
So having adding what you wantand having what you need to
balance that out and setyourself up for success.
I think is is a great way to goabout making your meals Even as
a snack.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, so often I see like the oh, this tastes just
like Domino's.
First thing you're going to dois get out your tortilla wrap
and, like I'm already, I alreadyknow this is going to taste
like, or it's going to tastelike, domino's.
I'm already got Oreos on thebright side.
It's not going to taste likeOreos either, but it's
definitely not going to tastelike Domino's.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Instead, have half a slice of Domino's, put it with
the salad you know, and and oh,that's one of my favorites.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Some bull house farms .
I keep getting people reportingmy videos because I'm sponsored
by it.
Neither is this podcast, by theway, but it's a really good
dressing.
Okay, I like it.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
I have you know, speaking of dressing, one of the
things that I have recently achange that I've made in my own
diet is actually allowing myselfto have some good dressing and
not trying to go in thesegoddamn olden farm these old
gallery stuff, the skinny girldressing, oh my God.
How did I ever?
It's diet culture, man, I don'tknow how.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
I mean what happened to me.
I was I was.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I really was convinced that they were so good
.
And then I'm like what?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
was I doing.
And then you eat it and you'rehungry, like 30 minutes later,
because you got no fat, you'renot absorbing the nutrients, the
fat soluble vitamins, becausethere was no fat in the salad,
and you're just sad.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Everything about it is sad.
Wow, Liquid like like wateryranch, so good.
If this is mustard, vinegar andwater, yay, yeah, I go, I find
myself some really good dressing, and that's that's worth that.
So, and then you can reallyenjoy your salad and it's not
miserable.
That's it.
(45:44):
That's Adam's tip for the day.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Hot take.
You're such a good dressing.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Don't have a miserable salad, you're such a
good dressing, so that you canactually enjoy your salad.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Oh, I love it.
But you know, what I'd like torewind to quickly is going all
the way back to talking aboutpeople's why and you said, like
the example of somebody saying,maybe they want to have a better
body for the beach and that's.
That's not a why.
(46:14):
That's what you want.
Why do you want that?
That's good.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
One of the things that I was taught when I first
became a trainer is to get tosomeone's why, and oftentimes
you should ask yourself thatquestion five times why?
Why go to the beach?
Okay, why, well, because youknow I want to.
I want to have a six pack, okay, why?
Well?
I've always been self consciousabout my stomach.
(46:39):
Why, well?
My, so pretend you have a threeyear old at your house.
That's basically what you askedwhy?
Why it's so it's such a goodway to actually discover.
You know, until you can'tanswer that question anymore,
then you really haven'tuncovered anything.
And yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I'm wondering, kind of like because you've worked
with a lot of clients over theyears, so do you have kind of a
few ideas in mind for likethings you've seen from people
who were able to change theirlife in a sustainable but way?
It might not be weight loss, itmight be something else, but
just things in common betweenthem that you see are like, okay
, the people that do thisgenerally they're able to stick
(47:24):
to their plan longer and youknow it just works.
I don't know.
I basically understand Are thethings you see that work
generally, that you that you seea common theme, why that makes
sense, why I would say some ofthe characteristics of people
that stick with it are peoplewho are.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
they have a good driving force, a good motivation
.
They have a reason.
Yeah, I think having a goodsupport system is also helpful.
Boy, this is a really goodquestion.
I would say that having anaffinity to like go at this with
an open mind is a good way togo about it.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Being able to change your mind if you're not stuck in
your ways.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
You know right, yeah, because I mean, the hardest
part is unlearning a lot of whatwe've been taught, and it's
honestly it's decades sometimesof I've been told this and I
don't miss and this is how I'vedone it, and so a willingness to
say I'm going to put thisbehind me and I'm going to try
your way at them, or I'm goingto like, adopt this new mindset,
(48:38):
I think that can be a very, Ithink that can be a really
positive thing.
Probably most of all, I wouldsay an ability to focus on the
process instead of just theresults.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
The end goal yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, enjoy the journey.
Yeah, I mean to be honest.
That's why I really focus onhelping people improve their
relationship with food, theirrelationship with exercise,
because so often you just hatewhat you're doing, I hate what
I'm eating, I can never havewhat I want, I hate exercising,
it's not fun for me.
(49:17):
And then, well, what the hell,how long do you think you're
going to be able to last thatway?
So, when you can have true joyin eating and the experience of
eating and feel like, hey, Ihave control and I can eat what
I want, but also I don't feelout of control, and then also I
(49:38):
can go to the gym or I can gowalk, or I can go skateboard, or
I can go ice skate or whateverphysical activity you'd like to
do.
You do that.
You like playing hockey Great.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Well, hockey you have to in Canada.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
It's a normal fact.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
It's a normal fact, but if you like it, you're going
to do it more often.
You know, go play.
I recently got one of these VRheadsets.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yes, let's go.
Did you get the question?
Did you get the question?
I got the question.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
I'm going to hit you up, I'm going to hit you up.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I'm going to hit you up All right, and then my zip
code, pearl.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I'm going to air episode number three live
fromgirl skewer.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
And you got the operator, me, and I'm still
sweating my ass off Like it'sit's, it's crazy, you, and also
like you're kind of stressed inthe game also because like it is
stressful, so that you'resweating for that, like it's
just yeah, if you have, thatobviously costs money all these
things, but if you have theopportunity to, I.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
this is what happens when you actually make TikTok
money.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, Listen you know , listen, be an American.
I don't know what you want.
To come to the land of the freehome of the TikTok?
I know you want, but yeah, goahead.
Go ahead with the VR.
It's.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
It's awesome, but yeah yeah, I just finding
anything.
Anyway, that was the reason Ibrought that up was, yeah, like
we have said, like it's so muchfun and finding joy and movement
.
There was a time I mean to behonest, like even now like there
comes a limit, where I'm likeI'm over the gym.
I don't want to go over time,right?
Oh, like some, it's noteveryone's favorite thing and
sometimes you get bored of it.
(51:26):
So finding another way to findjoy and movement is so important
, it's so valuable.
And then enjoying, you know,having some joy around food too,
and not having an enemy is itwill change your life.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
It was insane to me when Papa Swolio was attacking
cozy cardio, the cozy cardio,such a great way for people to
find joy and movement,absolutely.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Oh my God.
Yeah, that was.
That was infuriating, becausethat's brilliant.
Cozy, cardio is brilliant.
I wish I'd have thought of it.
To be honest, it's such a greatway to get people moving and
enjoy movement.
You know you're talking about,just like you're demonizing
walking.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yes for anybody.
Not because people might nothave heard of it, it's hope came
up with them.
I'm sure we'll get her on thepodcast at some point, but
basically in her own home shehas her like protein coffee.
She has comfy clothes on.
She'll do like either a walkingpad or like and watch her
favorite show or show that shewants to, something like that.
Just that's the whole idea.
Is it's supposed to becomfortable?
(52:32):
It's supposed to be inviting,it's supposed to be warm, it's
supposed to be, you know,enjoyable at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, yeah, and it's a beautiful way to get moving
and to encourage activity, andyet to just shut that down, for
what?
For your masculinity.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
It's for views, it's just, it's rage.
Big is what it is at the end ofthe day, and it sucks, but like
it does get people angry, andgetting angry on the internet is
what drives the algorithm, allthat stuff.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
So what I really hate is just that the people who
attack those people who mightnot want to sit at the gym for
three hours, they feel validatedwhen some influencer posts that
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, that's great for us.
But I love what you said,though.
Like I mean enjoying thejourney and, at the same time,
being able to change your mind,like I think that's so in all
aspects of life, like that'sthat's important.
I think that's great leadersthroughout history.
I'm a weird history buff.
I'm like an old man and like athirty two old body I don't know
if that makes sense but I love,like I love history and that's
(53:36):
something you see as a commontheme, as people actually able
to change their mind and acceptnew ideas based on information
at hand.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
That's something we've said about.
What makes a great influencer,or influencers that actually
have your health and yourinterest in mind, is that
they're open to changing thingsand hearing different points.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
So if you, if, you've been taught something your
whole life.
I know, on learning that can bedifficult, but, man, if you can
just enjoy the journey and go,oh, you know what, that's not
working Ever.
I've been told it's supposed towork, but you know what it
ain't.
So I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to try something elseand maybe that'll work.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
And it's OK that it's not working for me.
It's just something thatdoesn't work for me.
Maybe I respond to somethingelse.
That's OK, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Everybody's different .
You have to find what works foryou, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I remember I did a video on that there was going
over like the bowl situationwhere, like you have to eat off
small plates and there was acreator that she was like I like
to eat out of a massive giantbowl and people in the Internet
lost their goddamn mind.
They were so angry at her likeno, that's not how it works, you
idiot.
You're supposed to eat offsmall plates, dummy.
Like she got to the point whereshe turned the comments off in
(54:50):
her video because people werejust being just really angry.
And I'm just like you know what.
I understand that you've kindof been told that this is the
thing that works, but for thatperson it doesn't work and the
opposite works and that's great,like that's fine, dude, it's
fine, that's what you get whenyou have an opinion on the
Internet.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Why are you?
Speaker 2 (55:08):
so angry?
Why does the littlest thingsmake people so angry?
Yeah, dummy.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Actually, it's not the littlest thing, Liam.
Actually, I want to tell youyou're wrong.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
Little things like the color of my nails.
Oh my God.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
Oh, I bet.
I mean, I painted one nail andI got so many comments, did you?
Speaker 3 (55:33):
really yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:34):
I hear.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
I hear all the time.
Oh man, Somebody just told methat I have my hair up in a in a
bun, In a bun bun.
Somebody told me they couldn'ttake me seriously and I lost all
credibility because they calledit a harder daddy handle.
They said cut the harder daddyhandle.
And then I took me a minute Ihad to figure out oh, they're
talking about my hair.
(55:54):
I was like what a weird thingto be upset about, Right?
Speaker 1 (56:00):
How does that impact my?
Speaker 3 (56:00):
credibility?
I don't understand.
Oh man, liam can't get overwhat that's called.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I can't Like.
It's just like.
There's so many things I, youknow, I've with Morticia, you
know I've done, I've donecollabs with Morticia, who is a
brilliant and you should.
She's a microbiologist butbecause she has makeup on and
you know, and then she has, youknow, body Modifications, people
like oh, immediately, I won'tlisten to her, I'm like okay,
right.
But, the shirtless guy yellingabout broccoli.
Like that's cool, like I don'tunderstand, he's got the physio.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
So that's all that matters.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
I literally like hey, this doctor says this.
There was a cardiologist likebut look at them, look at both
of them, or I bring up Eddie ofyou and they'll like compare
your muscle and I'm like to thesteroid of you who's fully
admitted that he has kidney andliver damage, like what?
Are you doing.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
They didn't say this non-ironically too.
They absolutely mean it?
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Oh it's.
The world is an interestingplace.
That is what I've learned fromfrom doing social media.
It's an interesting place.
That's what we signed up for Iguess.
As soon as you get online, theywill judge you for your just
looks.
It's just immediate God andwe're saying this as like white
men too Like imagine, like wealready we already set it up, as
like we already have, like theprivilege of the privilege, yeah
(57:18):
, we still get shit.
Can you imagine being just like, yeah, a black female or a
female minority?
You know?
Speaker 1 (57:24):
trying to give her information, I feel like I had a
video about a trans rightsscheduled to post as we started
this podcast.
I'm not looking forward toopening to talk right now.
It is going to be full ofpeople angry at me, for, you
(57:44):
know, trying to make the worldbetter for everyone, how dare I?
Speaker 3 (57:50):
This is what I have learned.
I think that I don't know how.
I started just a bit before youguys on TikTok, and what I have
learned is that it is neverwrong to stand up for what's
right.
You can.
If you speak on something andyou use your platform for
something that you know is good,you know is right, then fuck
(58:10):
everybody else.
I do not care at all.
I will speak about.
I've talked about my opinionson Robi Wade.
I've talked about my opinionson the, the, the.
I've talked about my opinionson all sorts of things that I
feel are important, and peoplecan have different opinions, but
honestly, this is my page andif I feel like it's right, then
(58:31):
it's right and I don't feel badabout having those opinions.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
What should you?
This kind of took a turn,didn't it?
Yeah, so basically, we're goingto end with the dope beer.
Worse.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Oreos are great and fuck them.
Those are the three?
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Yes, but transphobic.
Are we the good guys?
Are we the demonstration of?
It's okay to give some menmicrophones?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Sometimes it's pretty dangerous to give Liam a
microphone.
He didn't actually go into likea 10 minute rant, this one.
Well, that's because I thinkI've been keeping so calming.
No well, there's there's that.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
But also I've been keeping my daughter awake in the
next room over, apparently,with my yelling that my wife,
while I was recording lastweek's episode, sent me a link
to Amazon for sound mufflingthings that I can put on the
wall because I scream so much soI'm going to try and be a
little less crazy.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
Just a little hint from the way.
Just you know, that's but yeah,good old Amanda.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Thank you for coming on.
I mean, we've been, we've beenchatting for around an hour now.
I don't know Time flies whenyou're talking about an hour,
yeah, so please, you know, giveus you know, like, where people
find you, where you make yourcontent your it's, your ats,
your things, your bobs.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, you can.
You can find me at Adam rightfitness on Tiktok, instagram,
YouTube.
Yeah, that's where I'm alwaysat, so you'll find me there.
Same handle, every platform.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And what's your favorite?
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I'm sitting back place.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
What's your favorite Oreo before you go?
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Oh, my favorite is I have an answer for this.
This is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
You're going to make a lot of people mad, no matter
what you say, so just beprepared.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It's your stand up for what's right.
That's social media for you.
No matter what you say, you'regoing to piss people off.
Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I'm going to go.
I'm going to go with theclassic, not the double stuff,
just the classic, the regularOreo, just the, the original O G
Oreo yeah.
I think he can't go wrong.
It's a safe choice.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I guess I did, so it's probably going to piss the
least number of people off, soit's probably
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