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Hello world, and
welcome to the In My Footsteps
podcast.
I am Christopher Setterlund,coming to you from the vacation
destination known as Cape Cod,Massachusetts, and this is
episode 177.
The holidays are officiallyover.
It's now the dog days ofwinter, but I've got the cure
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for the winter blues, and thatis a heaping dose of nostalgia.
We're going to kick it off bygoing back 30 years and looking
at 1995, the year in music, partone, January through June.
We're going to go way, way backin the day and look at just
what in the world was the Noid,the Domino's mascot from the
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80s.
There'll be a brand new Top 5.
These are the Top 5 1980s FoxNetwork TV show fails when that
network was just starting out.
And there'll be a brand newThis Week in History and Time
capsule going way back to thebeginning of this century and
the debut of Apple's iTunes.
All of that is coming up rightnow on episode 177 of the In My
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Footsteps podcast.
No New Year's, no holidaycelebrations, no nothing.
It's just dog days of winter.
But hey, you're here with me.
I'm going to take the nextalmost hour to try to warm you
up with some fun nostalgia.
It's always a weird bit of aletdown for me.
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As you know, my favorite timeof year, it's basically from
Labor Day through the end of theyear.
And here we are, the furthestwe can get from that favorite
time of year again.
How many of you out there havealready fallen off with your New
Year's resolutions?
Like I said last week, don'tworry if you have.
You can start over fresh thenext day or just not tell people
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that you fell off.
Just pretend you did.
It's a new year, but I can'tstart off this podcast without
how I typically start it off,and that's thanking my Patreon
subscribers, Laurie, Mary Lou,Ashley, Kevin, Marguerite, Leo,
Neglectoid, Crystal.
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I hope all of you are havingthe best new year as possible.
Thank you for being my backerson Patreon, helping me in my
quest to be a totallyself-employed,
self-sufficient...
content creator.
If you want to help me out onmy journey, if you enjoy my
work, $5 a month on Patreon getsyou access to bonus podcast
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episodes, early access toYouTube videos.
I'm constantly trying to comeup with new things that I can
put on Patreon, whether behindthe paywall or for the free
tier, including the ChrisUnfiltered AI TV show that's
based around Old initialimpressions blogs that I did
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from 2010 to 2012.
I've been picking the mostrandom ones out and feeding the
text into ChatGPT and asking itto make a TV show based on the
blog with me as the maincharacter.
I just put the second episodeup, I think last week.
The title they came up with forepisode two of Chris Unfiltered
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was Snowball Fights and StaleVomit.
I mean, if that's not a teaserto get you to go read it, I
don't know what is.
Don't you want to know whatstale vomit is?
I've got more housekeepingstuff to get into at the end of
the podcast, but I want todeliver on what I promised, and
that's a heaping dose ofnostalgia.
For the podcast, now as I'mentering my fifth year of doing
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it, I've been going back 30years and doing the year in
music.
Because I was a child of the80s, teenager of the 90s, so 90s
music, that sticks out to memore than the 80s did.
And what we're going to do iswe're going to run through the
first six months of 1995 andlook at the Year in Music Part 1
coming up right now on episode177 of the In My Footsteps
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podcast.
Oh man, my childhood getsfurther and further away as
every day passes.
I mean, I love nostalgia.
It's a way to reconnect with myyouth, but it also reinforces
the fact that I am not younganymore and that each day I get
older.
All this sad prologue here isleading up to what should be
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fun, and it will be fun, lookingat 1995 The Year in Music Part
1.
There's no way that I could fitthe entire year in one segment.
It would be way too long, andit's more fun to split it in
half, do the part two in July,and dive a little bit deeper.
I will say, there is a lot toget into in the first six months
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of 1995.
If you need to know, I was ajunior in high school in 1995.
Grunge music was technicallynot dead.
I mean, when Kurt Cobain diedin 1994, that was kind of the
beginning of the end.
There was something kind of,they called post-grunge.
Me, I was still all into thealternative music.
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Torn jeans, flannel shirts.
Still listening to tons ofNirvana, but also holding tight
to the other alternative bandsthat I loved as you never knew
who was going to be the nextband to break up or have a
member pass away.
Man, that's way more depressingthan I thought it would be.
So let's dive into this beforeit gets like into a therapy
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session.
We're going to kick off 1995 onJanuary 24th.
This was the release of VanHalen's album Balance.
This was the band's 10th studioalbum and their fourth and
final album with second leadsinger Sammy Hagar.
It included the hit song ICan't Stop Loving You, there's
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another great song Not Enoughthat I really enjoy.
In total, the album has soldaround 4 million copies since
its release.
Also on January 24th, BillyJoel ended his River of Dreams
tour.
This tour lasted about twoyears and had about 135 shows,
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supporting his River of Dreamsalbum from 1993.
It was also a sad chapter inBilly Joel's life as right
before the tour began, he andhis wife Christy Brinkley
separated and their divorce wasfinalized before this tour
ended.
1995 began with Boyz II Men'ssong On Bended Knee at number
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one.
It would be number one for sixnon-consecutive weeks.
It was finally knocked from thenumber one spot on January 28th
by TLC's song Creep, whichwould spend four weeks at number
one and would definitely not betheir biggest hit of 1995.
On February the 15th, rapperand singer Megan Thee Stallion
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was born.
She has come of age as amusician in a time where album
sales aren't as impressive asthey were 20, 30 years ago.
You have to look more atstreams.
I won't get deep into thenumbers, but she's got right
around 30 million monthlylisteners on Spotify.
I'd kill for 1% of that.
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On February the 17th, Blink-182released their debut album
Cheshire Cats.
Since then, the pop-punk bandhas gone on to sell well over 50
million albums.
On February 18th, Pearl Jamkicked off their Vitology tour,
which was in support of theirthird album, Vitology.
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This was the last of theiralbums to be more mainstream
alternative, as they driftedaway from that a bit until
2006's self-titled album.
Also on that day, the hit songI Believe by Blessed Union of
Souls was released.
On February 19th, there was afamous slash infamous union as
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Motley Crue drummer Tommy Leemarried Baywatch actress Pam
Anderson.
I remember being quite jealousas I was a huge fan of Pamela
Anderson, including having acalendar of her on my wall.
I'm pretty sure I was not theonly teenager in the mid-90s to
have a crush on Pamela Anderson,so I'm not that special.
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On February the 25th, Madonna'ssong Take a Bow went to number
one, where it would stay forseven weeks.
This was off of her sixthstudio album Bedtime Stories.
On February 27th, Alternativeband Better Than Ezra released
their album Deluxe, which hadthe rock hit song Good.
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Fun fact, my friend Barry and Isaw Better Than Ezra at
Pufferbelly's nightclub inHyannis in 2000.
I don't remember much aboutthat night except it being very
crowded and remembering whenthey played the song Good, which
I think was near the end.
Like they wanted to make sureyou stayed around for the whole
set.
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They didn't lead with the songand then have half the crowd
leave.
On February the 28th, Jewelreleased her debut album Pieces
of You.
This had the hit songs Who WillSave Your Soul, Foolish Games,
and You Were Meant for Me.
Also on February 28th, R&Bgroup All For One released their
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song I Can Love You Like That.
We move into March.
March the 1st was the GrammyAwards, including Sheryl Crow
winning Best New Artist.
She also won Record of the Yearfor All I Wanna Do.
Album of the Year went to TonyBennett for his MTV Unplugged.
Bruce Springsteen was thebiggest winner of the night,
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taking home four Grammys,including Song of the Year.
On March 13th, Radioheadreleased their second album, The
Benz.
This was the album where youcould tell they were not a
typical rock band because theywere compared to U2 at the
beginning with their song Creep.
Little did we know a few yearslater when OK Computer came out,
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which was a major departurefrom their usual sound.
On March the 14th, rapper Tupacreleased his album Me Against
the World.
This album would have a uniquedistinction between as the album
would end up going to numberone while Tupac was in prison,
making him the first musician tohave a number one album while
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in jail.
Also on March 14th, the Goo GooDolls released their album A
Boy Named Goo, and CollectiveSoul released their self-titled
album.
On March 21st, Stevie Wonderreleased his album Conversation
Piece.
which was his first full-lengthnon-soundtrack album in eight
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years.
It had the hit song For YourLove.
On March the 26th, former NWAmember and rapper Eazy-E died of
complications from AIDS, whichthat's one, it's unbelievable.
Thinking of all these thingsthat are 30 years old, I can't
believe Eazy-E died 30 yearsago.
On March the 27th, SilverChair, the alternative band,
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released their first album FrogStomp.
This had the hit song Tomorrow.
I really liked Silver Chairbecause all the members of the
band were younger than me, whichmade me think that I was able
to become a member of analt-rock band while in high
school.
On March the 31st, SelenaQuintanilla Perez, known
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basically just as Selena, thequeen of Tejano music, was
murdered by the president of herfan club.
I think I had just heard of whoSelena was maybe a week or two
before she was murdered becauseshe had started promoting her
first total English languagealbum.
That's another one.
It's unbelievable that it's 30years ago.
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We move into April, April the7th.
R&B singer Monica released hersingle Don't Take It Personal,
which is probably an anthem of alot of girls that I went to
high school with, and my junioryear history teacher, I think it
was history teacher, who usedto always say don't take it
personal when he would kind ofinsult people in the class.
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On April the 11th, White Zombiereleased their final album
Astro Creep 2000.
This had the song More HumanThan Human with lead singer Rob
Zombie going on to have his ownsolo career and career in film
as a director.
On April 14th, beloved singerBurl Ives died.
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He was 85 years old, but he'sknown a lot for the Christmas
songs that he did in the 1960s.
On April the 15th, R&B singerMontel Jordan's song This Is How
We Do It went to number one,where it would stay for seven
weeks.
This song has been a staple ofschool dances, nightclubs, ever
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since then.
On April 22nd, British rockband Oasis ended their
Definitely Maybe tour.
This was in support of theirdebut album.
definitely maybe, which had thesong Live Forever.
And I don't know for sure, butI think it was the only tour
they ever had where the brothersdidn't beat the hell out of
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each other.
By the way, what's theover-under on how many shows
Oasis gets through in their 2025reunion tour before Liam and
Noel Gallagher decide they hateeach other again?
Also on April 22nd, JanetJackson ended her Janet tour.
There were 125 shows on thetour and her Janet album has
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sold almost 15 million copiesworldwide since its release in
1993.
We move into May.
May the 2nd, singer-songwriterJill Sobule released her song I
Kissed a Girl.
Thirteen years later, in 2008,singer Katy Perry released a
song with the same name, andJill Sobule went into a
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profanity-laced rant against thesong, although later on she
said it was meant to betongue-in-cheek, but I don't
know.
In a harbinger of things tocome, on May the 15th, Stone
Temple Pilots lead singer ScottWeiland was arrested for
possession of heroin.
I remember seeing Stone TemplePilots in concert in 1996, and
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it was maybe not that show, butit was within the next couple of
shows that Weiland was arrestedand sent to jail.
On May 29th, legendary Britishrock band Pink Floyd released
the live album Pulse.
I remember this one from goinginto stores at the time.
Newberry Comics orStrawberries.
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And when it was in the newrelease section, it had a little
red light that would blink.
So it was very distracting, butit made people, I think, want
to buy it because it was unique.
Also on May the 29th, Jamaicanmusician Shaggy released his
song Boombastic.
Shaggy has a very unique voice.
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He sounds like he's gotsomething stuck in his throat.
Now when you go to listen tohis music, you're going to hear
that.
Oh, he's got something in histhroat.
He's got to clear his throat.
Now we've made it to June 1995.
On June the 3rd, Bryan Adams'song Have You Ever Really Loved
a Woman goes to number one,where it spent five weeks.
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On June the 5th, Irish rockband U2 released their song Hold
Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Mefrom the Batman Forever
soundtrack.
This is a song that I enjoy,but I know it gets pretty poor
reviews from musical critics, ifyou want to take their word.
I think the fact that the moviewasn't that great kind of sours
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the soundtrack, but what do Iknow?
On June the 13th, AlanisMorissette released her
monumental album Jagged LittlePill.
When I talked about that Monicasingle being an anthem for
girls I went to high schoolwith, this whole album is
basically filled with them.
You Oughta Know, Ironic, HeadOver Feet, Hand In Pocket, All I
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Really Want.
I mean, all these songs werehits.
Alanis Morissette, at least tome, kind of came out of nowhere.
The album has sold more than 33million copies worldwide.
But when I saw her, I'm like,wait, is she the girl that was
on You Can't Do That ontelevision, on Nickelodeon?
And she was, not for manyepisodes, but she was.
On June the 20th, MichaelJackson released his double
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album, His Story, which was onealbum of greatest hits and one
album of new material.
It included his last number onesong, You Are Not Alone.
This album has sold more than20 million copies worldwide,
which I don't know why I didn'tthink it was as big of a seller
when it came out.
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By this point, Michael Jacksonhad fully crossed over to where
his personal life overshadowedhis music, so he was definitely
on the downslope of hispopularity.
On June the 21st, we had thedebut of the Warped Tour.
Not the Vans Warped Tour yet.
That would come next year in1996.
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This tour is kind of associatedwith skater, skateboard
culture, punk rock, a little bitof alternative, emo, that type
of stuff.
1995's tour was headlined bySublime and No Doubt.
And this is before No Doubtreleased their Tragic Kingdom
album, so they were stillslightly under the radar.
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On June 23rd, R&B group GrooveTheory released their song Tell
Me.
I enjoyed this song so Ifigured I would share it with
you.
Now you can go on Spotify andlisten to it if you don't
remember this song.
And finally, June the 27th,rock band Bon Jovi released
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their album These Days.
This album was not assuccessful as their past albums,
although it did have the songSomething for the Pain, which
had a unique music video withthe band playing with
impersonators of other singerslike Eddie Vedder, Scott
Weiland, Courtney Love.
It would be five years beforeBon Jovi made a comeback in 2000
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with their album Crush that hadthe song It's My Life.
And there you have it.
That is 1995 The Year in MusicPart 1.
Not quite a speed run throughit, I tried to give you the main
point and maybe a little bit ofextra with it, but now you can
see why I couldn't do the entireyear in one segment.
It would be the whole podcast,which would be fine, but I've
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got a lot more to share withyou.
And we'll do part two of 1995,the year in music, in July.
So you've got that to lookforward to.
And a full playlist of 95 musicthat you can go look up now.
This week in history, we aregoing back 24 years ago to
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January 9th, 2001 and the debutof Apple's iTunes.
It's hard to believe this isalmost a quarter century ago
now, the debut of iTunes.
It was a pivotal moment in thehistory of music and technology.
It can't be overstated.
I record this podcast on mylaptop and I'm looking at the
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taskbar at the bottom of myscreen and there's the iTunes
logo right there.
iTunes wasn't just a softwareapplication.
It became the cornerstone ofApple's digital music strategy
and it reshaped how music wasbought, organized, and consumed.
We got to go back a few yearsbefore to kind of get why this
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was so important.
In the late 90s, the internetwasn't what it was even 10 years
later, but digital music wasgaining traction with the rise
of MP3 file formats.
This allowed high-quality musicto be stored in small file
sizes.
I mean, small was relative backthen.
Super long download times.
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The files were typically biggeruntil compression became
something you could really doyears later.
But the digital music also ledto...
Music piracy, fueled byplatforms like Napster, and
later on, sites like LimeWire.
Apple CEO Steve Jobs recognizedthe potential of digital music,
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and he aimed to create alegitimate and seamless
ecosystem for music lovers.
Jobs wanted a singleapplication that could organize
music libraries, play tracks,and connect seamlessly with
Apple hardware.
I've never owned a Mac computeror laptop, but I can only
imagine that Apple products,iTunes, probably blends better
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with those.
In 2000, Apple acquiredSoundJam MP, which is a popular
Mac-only MP3 player applicationcreated by software developers
Jeff Robin, Bill Kincaid, andDave Heller.
I tried to find out how muchthey paid for it.
It's an undisclosed amount.
But Apple then tasked thesethree developers with refining
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and simplifying the software andthen integrating it with
Apple's hardware and aestheticphilosophy.
Fast forward to January 9th,2001, and Steve Jobs unveils
iTunes during Macworld Expo.
And it was offered as a freedownload.
The tagline at the time was RipMix Burn.
It emphasized the ability torip CDs to create digital MP3
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files, mix playlists, burn CDs.
iTunes 1.0 featured a clean,user-friendly interface with
drag-and-drop functionality,support for importing music from
CDs and organizing it by albumartist genre.
It was naturally aMac-exclusive product at first.
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And what's crazy is it wasbasically for music storage and
converting to MP3s because theiTunes Store wouldn't be around
for more than two years.
It was April 2003 which debutedthe iTunes Music Store, which
really transformed iTunes into aplatform for legally purchasing
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music.
With all of the songs startingat 99 cents, making music
affordable.
This allowed you to buyindividual songs rather than a
full album.
You know, if you spent $16, $17on a CD for one song, or even
$4.99 for a CD single, this wasa way better deal.
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The creation of the store ledto the demise of physical media.
It empowered independentartists.
It led to new revenue modelsand the rise of streaming
services.
Like I said, you cannotunderstate the importance of the
debut of iTunes.
And that initial launch ofiTunes 1.0 for the Apple Mac
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products occurred 24 years agothis week in history.
Oh, here we go.
A new time capsule with thesame funky music.
For this time capsule, we'resticking with the day that
iTunes debuted, January 9th,2001.
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What was going on in the worldof pop culture back then?
Let's find out.
The number one song wasIndependent Women Part 1 by
Destiny's Child.
This song was on the soundtrackto the movie Charlie's Angels.
It spent 11 weeks at number oneand was rated the 18th best
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song of the 2000s by Billboardmagazine.
The song was released later in2001 on Destiny's Child album
Survivor, which ended up sellingmore than 10 million copies
worldwide.
The number one movie was Savethe Last Dance, and you could
get into the theater with aticket costing $5.65.
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This is a dance movie producedby MTV Films starring Julia
Stiles and Sean Patrick Thomas.
It received mixed reviews.
It's 54% fresh on RottenTomatoes, but it was a major
hit, making over $130 million ona budget of $13 million.
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The number one TV show was ER.
I'm resigned to the fact thatcertain TV shows seem to be
number one for certain eras ofthese time capsules I do.
I think this is probably half adozen times I've had ER as the
top show.
It's a medical drama.
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It was on for 15 seasons and331 total episodes from 1994 to
2009.
And it had loads of famouspeople, George Clooney, Noah
Wiley, Anthony Edwards, JulianaMargulies, Eric LaSalle.
And if you were around backthen, I know I was, January 9th,
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2001, you have just heard aboutthe release of iTunes, but you
don't have a Mac?
Uh-oh.
How are you going to getiTunes?
Well, you're in luck.
If you go to big box storeslike Best Buy, you could get
yourself the top of the lineApple Titanium PowerBook G4
laptop.
It was an inch thick.
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It weighed five pounds.
It could have RAM speedenhanced up to one gig.
It had five hours of batterylife.
It had a DVD drive.
Sounds good, right?
Well, if you want one, it'sgoing to set you back $3,499 or
$6,233 when adjusted forinflation to 2025.
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Was that laptop good?
Is it $6,000 adjusted valuegood?
I don't know.
But there you have it.
A brand new This Week inHistory, a brand new Time
Capsule.
There was no YouTube when theApple Titanium PowerBook came
out, which is where you'll haveto go to find any of these shows
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that are coming up in the topfive.
So let's look at the 1980s FoxTV show fails coming up right
now.
It's hard to believe that theFox network, the group of
networks, hasn't been aroundforever.
I'm actually old enough toremember when we had a knob-turn
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TV for the stations.
We had the three, ABC, NBC,CBS, a couple of local stations,
maybe a PBS.
And then in 1986, 87, thisbrand new network came out.
Fox TV, based around the 21stcentury Fox movie studio.
There were definitely growingpains for the first few years of
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the network.
For every Married with Childrenor The Simpsons or Beverly
Hills 90210 that came out, therewere shows that I can't believe
people greenlighted and put onthe air.
But I guess when you're lookingto fill time on a new network,
you try a lot of differentthings.
What we're going to do now isthe top five 1980s Fox TV show
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fails.
I'm sticking with the 80sbecause there's a lot of meat on
the bone there.
As with many of these topfives, there are honorable
mentions and the top five itselfis in no particular order.
So let's just jump into some ofthese honorable mentions.
I'll give you a little bit ofinfo with these just so that if
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you go and check them out andthey're terrible, I can at least
say I warned you.
Honorable mentions for 1980sFox TV show fails include The
Late Show, This was a late nighttalk show starring Joan Rivers
that was one of the first showsever on Fox.
It was canceled after two yearsand also ended up leading to
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the Arsenio Hall show as he wason the late show when it
started.
Another honorable mention isthe Wilton North Report.
This was the replacement forthe late show when it was
canceled.
It lasted less than two months.
It was another news magazinetype show.
Another honorable mention wasDirty Dozen the Series.
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This is based on the 1967 WorldWar II movie.
It was on for one season in1988 with only nine of its 12
episodes airing.
Another honorable mention wasMr.
President.
This was a sitcom created byJohnny Carson's company and
starred George C.
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Scott as the President of theUnited States.
The show lasted two seasons and24 episodes, with it ultimately
being canceled with George C.
Scott saying how bad the workenvironment was on the show.
And the final honorable mentionis Open House.
The show lasted one season and24 episodes from 1989 into 1990.
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It was a spinoff of the TV showDuet and was a breakout role
for a young Ellen DeGeneres.
So there are the honorablementions.
Had you heard of any of thoseshows?
Well, let's get into the actualtop five, starting with number
one, Second Chance.
The show was on in 1987.
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And what's crazy is there wasactually a show in 2016 on Fox
called Second Chance.
So it's like the second chancefor the title.
The show's premise is basedaround a man who dies and he
tries to get into heaven, butthey say he's not good enough
for heaven, but too good forhell.
So they send him back to Earthin 1987 to help his younger self
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through life.
The show had 21 episodes.
It's mostly known for twothings.
Being a breakout role forMatthew Perry, who played the
younger self of the man whodies.
And also being renamed to BoysWill Be Boys.
It's like the ratings were sobad, they tried to change the
title of the show to get peopleto come over.
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Like, ooh, what's this newshow?
And it's like, wait a minute,it's the same one.
It did not help.
Number two.
is The New Adventures of BeansBaxter.
Benjamin Baxter.
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I think he may be the bestcourier the network's ever had.
Speaker 04 (32:04):
Ever?
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Yeah, man.
I laughed when I saw the title,so I said, that's gotta go in
there.
The show starred Jonathan Wardas Benjamin Beans Baxter.
It's an action comedy series,which revolved around spy
activities of Beans Baxter, whomoves from Kansas to Washington,
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D.C.
with his family.
The show debuted in 1987.
It was on for two seasons, butonly a total of 17 episodes.
Number three is Down and Out inBeverly Hills.
Speaker 01 (32:41):
If that title
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sounds familiar to a
lot of you 80s kids, yes, this
was a TV show based on themovie.
The movie starred Nick Nolte,Richard Dreyfuss, Bette
Midler...
The TV show has none of them.
The show debuted in April 1987.
13 total episodes were made ofthis show with five being
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unaired.
The show is about a rich butdysfunctional family in Beverly
Hills that saves the life of ahomeless man who in the movie
tries to drown himself in theirpool.
It's definitely an odd movie tobe chosen to be made into a TV
show, but maybe that's just me.
Number four.
is Women in Prison.
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This is another one where yousee the title.
What in the world is that?
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It's like Beans Baxter andWomen in Prison.
These were on Fox's lineup.
This show is a comedy, and it'sbased around the interactions
of inmates at an all-women'sprison.
Only 13 episodes were made ofthis show, and it was on from
October of 87 through Februaryof 88.
This was the stereotypicalslice-of-life TV show with a
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yuppie, an old woman, differentbackgrounds, different races.
I mean, I guess they tell youall you need to know with the
title.
Yeah, it's women in prison.
I guess they wanted you to knowwhat they were peddling right
away before you spend a fewminutes watching it.
Michael Moyet and Ron Leavittwere the people that created
this show, and if their namessound familiar, they created
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Married with Children.
So you talk about one major Foxhit and then women in prison.
Sorry.
And finally, number five on thetop five 1980s Fox show TV
fails was Karen's Song.
This one I found reallyinteresting because it stars
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Patty Duke as a 40-somethingdivorced mother who begins
dating a much younger man, muchto the chagrin of her daughter,
Terry Hatcher.
13 episodes were filmed of thisshow, but four were unaired.
This show seems like if theyhad done it a few years later,
when Terry Hatcher was morefamous, maybe it would have been
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a bigger hit.
Patty Duke was a big star inthe 1960s.
She had her Patty Duke show,which we 80s kids remember from
Nick at Night.
So maybe people didn't want tosee sweet, wholesome Patty Duke
being a cougar chasing youngerguys around.
But that wraps up the top five1980s Fox TV show fails.
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There are plenty more.
I could do another segment forearly 90s fails.
I found a lot of shows that Ithought were 80s that were
actually...
early 90s, and I had to be trueto my list.
But how many of these did youever heard of?
Had you ever watched?
Did you watch women in prison?
Try Google searching women inprison and see what you get in
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your search results.
Don't do it if you're at work,though.
So we go from 80s TV show failsto 80s mascot fails, or at
least weird 80s mascots.
So let's look now at what thehell was the Noid?
There are a lot of iconicproduct mascots in the 1980s.
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Ones that I remember growing upwith.
Poppin' Fresh, the PillsburyDoughboy.
The Hamburger Helper, WhiteGlove.
The Energizer, Bunny.
Spuds McKenzie, the Dog.
And various cereal mascots.
Tony the Tiger.
The Rice Krispie Guys.
Captain Crunch.
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I mean, I could just namemillions.
The Noid is a unique one.
Because...
Most of you that grew up inthat time that are around my
age, you know who the Noid is.
And it's interesting becauseit's hard to tell if the Noid,
the brief mascot from Domino'sPizza, if it's a fail or if it's
a success.
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For me, when I think about it,it definitely left an imprint on
me as a kid.
You know, I was...
10 years old, maybe, when theNoid came out, claymation with a
weird high-pitched squeak voicewhere they didn't say anything
and just kind of made noises.
But it definitely stood out asfar as 1980s pop culture product
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mascots go.
I don't know.
Where do you guys fall on that?
Do you think the Noid was asuccess or a fail?
I'm going to try to sway you alittle as we go into the history
of the Noid.
The idea of the Noid was partof Domino's Pizza's aggressive
marketing campaign to promotetheir delivery service.
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Pizza hot and fresh to you in30 minutes or less, which I do
believe a few years later, ormaybe many years later, but they
dropped the 30 minutes or lessbecause drivers would be getting
into accidents trying to get tothe house before the 30 minutes
because otherwise the pizza wasfree.
The Noid character wasintroduced in 1986 by the
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advertising agency Group 243.
So this character was developedas part of Domino's Avoid the
Noid campaign.
The Noid was a humanoid typecharacter.
Mischievous, rabbit ears withthe red rabbit ears, red
jumpsuit with the N emblazonedon his chest.
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I tried to find why they calledhim the Noid.
I thought it was, you know,avoid the Noid means avoid being
annoyed by your pizza beingcold.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm putting too muchcreativity into it.
The commercials were everywherethough.
Fun and weird claymation typecommercials.
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There's one commercial, TheDome of Quality, where there's a
pizza in the middle of thescreen and the Noid tries to
destroy it with a mallet, butthere's an invisible force field
to protect your pizza from theNoid.
Speaker 02 (39:47):
Domino's Pizza
delivers quality.
It takes fresh baked quality toavoid the Noid.
Speaker 00 (40:01):
There's one where
the Noid is trying to freeze
your pizza.
He's got like a jet pack thatblasts cold air on it.
Speaker 02 (40:07):
The Noid hates hot
quality pizza.
He loves to make your hot pizzaice cold.
Call Domino's Pizza.
Speaker 00 (40:20):
So the Noid was
designed to embody the obstacles
and mishaps that could ruin apizza delivery.
Could be delayed.
It could be cold when you getit.
It could have fallen off theseat and been smushed.
Do you remember a few years agowhen Domino's was really
promoting pizza insurance?
Where you could pay a littlebit extra just in case if you
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fell out in the parking lot andruined your pizza, you could get
another one free?
Did any of you ever try that?
I'm sure they probably stillhave it.
They just don't promote itbecause, I mean, what a fail.
Yeah, I'm spending whatever,$15 on a pizza.
I'll pay a few dollars extrajust in case I'm too clumsy to
walk to my car.
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But you know there's somebodyout there that bought that
insurance, didn't fall when theygot home with their pizza and
was mad about it, tried to getreimbursed.
I couldn't find an exact numberas far as how many different TV
commercials the Noid characterwas in.
It was probably a couple ofdozen commercials.
But for as weird as the Noidcharacter was, it was popular.
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I enjoyed the commercials as akid.
And obviously other kids did aswell because the Noid's
popularity led to merchandising.
Toys, t-shirts, and what Iwanted to get into.
And that was the video game forNintendo called Yo! Noid from
1990.
Yo!
Speaker 03 (41:47):
Noid
Speaker 00 (41:56):
It wasn't very
original.
It was a rebranded version ofthe Japanese game Kamen no Ninja
Hanamaru.
The game has the Noid as thehero, trying to fight off his
evil doppelganger known as Mr.
Green.
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He's got special weapons like asuper yo-yo.
There's no...
Health meter for yourcharacter.
You either die when you touchyour enemy or if you don't
complete the level in a certaintime.
And when you win as the Noid,you get a huge pizza prize from
Domino's.
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In the instruction manual forYo! Noid, there was a dollar off
coupon for Domino's pizza.
In 2017, there was a fan-madesequel to this called Yo! Noid 2
Enter the Void.
It's free.
You can go and play it if youwant to play the sequel to Yo!
Noid.
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I found it at Noid.pizza.
I can put a link in thedescription of the podcast if
you want to play Yo! Noid 2.
So the Noid was a hit.
It was weird.
But it became closelyassociated with Domino's Pizza
in the late 80s.
And it reinforced brandloyalty, customer loyalty.
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But we can't talk about thefunny and foolish of the Noid
without something that wasdefinitely an unintended
consequence, I'm sure.
And that is the Kenneth LamarNoid incident.
In January 1989...
A mentally unstable man namedKenneth Lamar Noid believed that
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Domino's Pizza had created theNoid character to mock him
personally.
This escalated when Noid,Kenneth Lamar Noid, was armed
with a gun held two Domino'semployees hostage at an Atlanta,
Georgia location.
He demanded $100,000, a getawayvehicle, and a copy of The
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Widow's Son, which is a novelabout Freemasonry.
After a five-hour standoff, thehostages escaped and Noid
surrendered to the police.
Even though Domino's denied anyconnection between Kenneth Noid
and the character the Noid,which, I mean, obviously, the
incident cast a shadow over theNoid character.
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And even though the campaigncontinued for a little longer,
it was phased out within thenext couple of years.
For those wondering, KennethLamar Noyde.
He was found not guilty byreason of insanity, but sadly,
he committed suicide in 1995.
So that story does not have ahappy ending.
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In the 90s, Domino's got awayfrom the Noyde.
They had reestablishedthemselves.
They had established theirdelivery service.
So it wasn't as necessary tohave some kind of wacky mascot.
The Noid maintained a cultfollowing among fans of 80s pop
culture like me, like I'm sure alot of you that are listening
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to this.
And he came back to theforefront once YouTube came
around and people starteduploading their old commercials.
I can go right now on YouTube,obviously you've heard clips.
I can download old Noidcommercials and clutter up my
computer with that stuff.
The Noid did make a comebackthough in 2021.
This was where Domino's did aseries of commercials promoting
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their partnership with Nuro,which is an autonomous vehicle
delivery service.
So this time, instead of tryingto destroy your pizza, the Noid
was portrayed as trying tothwart the futuristic delivery
robots.
It was that hot and freshnostalgia, just like Domino's
pizza.
It's interesting the stayingpower of the character, the
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Noid, as a mascot.
Because there's no denying thatit's very weird, like an acid
trip.
Like someone just came up withthis, hey, what about a rabbit
with a human face that makesthese weird squeak noises and
tries to destroy your pizza withmallets and freezers and
things.
But it ended up with toys andshirts and video games.
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Do you remember the Noid game?
And I'm talking more from the1980s.
I know the commercials from afew years ago a lot of people
saw.
And I'm sure a lot of lovers ofpop culture were thrilled to
see the Noid back.
But do you remember the onesfrom the 80s?
The Claymation, Stop Motion.
And what other 80s weirdproduct mascots or mascots in
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general do you think should makea comeback?
I'd love to see the HamburgerHelper Glove come back.
That's another one that's verytrippy.
Talking Glove.
When it does theItalian-flavored hamburger
helper and it's singing Italianwith the little mustache.
You need to go find that.
The Noid, though, it had afascinating history of a blend
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of marketing genius, culturalimpact, and unexpected
real-world consequences.
I'm sure Domino's would havesold a lot more of that weird
pizza insurance if one of theclauses in there was that you
avoided the Noid.
But until next time, that'sgoing to wrap up episode 177 of
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the In My Footsteps podcast.
That's a lot of episodes.
Just think about it.
In a couple of months, I'mgoing to hit 200 episodes.
I'm already past where Ithought I'd be when I first was
brainstorming this podcast inthe fall of 2020.
I had said I probably hadenough material I had researched
for about four years of theshow, and we are past that now.
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And I literally, I have enoughto do probably another four
years.
And that's, again, if I don'tresearch anything more.
Thank you so much for those ofyou that tune in weekly that
make me a part of your week.
Or those of you that are herefor the first time that enjoy
nostalgia and have found thisshow.
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These are a lot of fun toresearch, put together, record.
I mean, editing's not great,but whatever.
and marketing and seeing theresponse either through the
audio realm or when they go upon YouTube, which is just the
audio with a video place card.
There's no video of me doingthis.
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I do the webcam weekly wrap-uppodcast.
That's my video show, which isme recapping my wacky week that
was.
That's another one that's a lotof fun to put together but
takes a long time to edit.
Next week, I'll be back withepisode 178.
You may not know exactly what'sgoing to be on the show, but
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you know it's going to benostalgia.
That's pretty much a given.
Find me all over social media,Instagram, threads.
I'm on Blue Sky.
I do TikTok, but not that much.
I have a Facebook fan page forthe podcast.
Read the blog.
It's a lot more than InitialImpressions 2.0.
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There's loads of stuff.
2024 was my most prolificwriting year as far as the blog
went.
Subscribe on YouTube.
I've got hundreds and hundredsof videos, video podcast
segments, the webcam weeklywrap-up, New England Cape Cod
travel videos.
There's tons of stuff up there.
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I am almost done with the In MyFootsteps podcast website.
Just putting the backlog ofepisodes up on there to be
linked to it.
Boy, that took forever.
I am not a web designer.
I do not pretend to be.
If you want to see a realwebsite, visit my homepage,
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ChristopherSetterlin.com.
Created and updated by myoldest friend, Barry, who's a
real designer with real skill.
But my site does have links tomy nine books, so I guess I do
have some skill.
A consequence or side effect ofdoing the podcast website is
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the fact that I have closed downtheladyofthedunes.com.
It's something where the moneyput in to run two different
websites that I update withonline shopping, it's not
feasible.
I'm in the process of migratingsome of the stuff over to my
homepage.
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So you'll still be able to buythe book.
You'll still be able to watchFrank Durant's documentary.
But I feel like after two yearsthat this chapter is over.
I am so proud and blessed tohave been a part of the Lady of
the Dunes case and theresolution of the case.
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But it's also, it's a new year.
I am...
Closing this door to allowother things in.
That doesn't mean that I won'tstill talk about the book every
now and then.
If places want me to do events,I'm not going to say no.
But I'm also not going to nowhave it at the forefront of what
I promote about me and my work.
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It's the podcast, the videos.
I am now dipping my toes intocopywriting.
That's something that may endup being a bigger part of my
life as 2025 goes on.
But that's all the stuff that'shappening.
Plus my debut acting gig, whichfilms in March.
That is for Frank Durant'supcoming horror film.
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So you'll be getting updates onthat when the spring starts to
roll around.
Wherever you're listening from,though, I hope you're having
the best day, week, weekend.
I hope the weather is at leastsunny.
You can't always hope for warmweather, at least up in the
north, northeast here.
But get out as much as you can.
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Get that vitamin D that we'reall deficient of or will be by
the time February ends.
And lean into the things thatmake you happy.
Certain people, certain foods,certain places, certain
podcasts.
I'll keep pumping out thecontent to try to add to your
happy place.
And as always, remember, inthis life, don't walk in anyone
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else's footsteps.
Create your own path and enjoyevery moment you can on this
journey we call life because younever know what tomorrow
brings.
Thank you all again for tuninginto episode 177.
This has been the In MyFootsteps podcast.
I am Christopher Setterlund,but you already knew that.
And I'll talk to you all againsoon.