May 21, 2024 • 46 mins
Growing up amidst the whirlwind of military life, Justin Crawford learned early the art of forming fast friendships and the resilience needed in the face of constant change. On our latest episode, he opens up about his journey from "military brat" to mental health advocate, offering a look at how his transient childhood not only shaped his social connections but also ignited his passion for promoting mental well-being.
Join Justin and Shawn in this engaging episode as they delve into the significance of nurturing a healthy mind across various facets of life. From navigating fatherhood to staying fit, excelling professionally to hosting a podcast, Justin shares valuable insights on how to prioritize mental well-being. Justin candidly checks in with Shawn amidst the chaos of his life, offering practical tips and heartfelt discussions on the importance of seeking balance and having open conversations with loved ones.
Tune in to discover the top daily habits that can help you cultivate a healthy mind, and learn why open conversations (like this one) with loved ones are crucial for overall mental health. With Justin Crawford's insights, this episode is full of reflections for anyone navigating the complexities of maintaining mental health in today's fast-paced world! Come join us IN THE BOOTH!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
we are back in the booth and I'm sean booth and
hopefully you guys are having agood day.
Wherever you're listening from,we appreciate the support.
Maybe you are listening fromontario, ottawa, maybe you are
listening from anaheim,california, which I'm heading to
tonight, or maybe we havesomebody listening from misawa,
(00:30):
japan, and if you're notwatching us, you can head over
to youtube.
We have all of our episodesthere every week.
So, thank you, guys.
We're gonna get into it.
Today, very excited for thisconversation, I have a special
guest to my left and joining meis the co-host of a modern day
mental health podcast andnon-profit called Luminosity.
(00:53):
He started his career workingin New York City with some of
the top media companies in theworld, including NBC, before he
decided he wanted nothing morethan to focus his work or better
mental health for his audiences, partners and himself.
So today we're going to diveinto all things mental health,
which I love and I'm verypassionate about.
(01:14):
So, ladies and gentlemen, giveit up for Justin Crawford.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Give it up for Sean Boone.
Yeah, here it is.
You know I've met a lot ofpodcast hosts in the past, even
just the past couple of weeks.
You're great.
You're really good at thisYou've interviewed half of my
friends.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I have here in Nashville I have that's how we
got you here and Misawa, that'scorrect.
Right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Misawa, misawa.
The Americans say Misawa.
Misawa is El, morishii is thelast little part of it, hometown
.
Yeah, I mean, we lived therefour total times but, as you
could imagine, like militarybrats you're a little bit of
everywhere up until you're about17, 18, before you go to
college, and so that's hometownfor sure.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Wait.
So that's like a wildupbringing.
And is that why you want to getinto mental health, did you Woo
?
How much time do we have?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, right, because you're moving all over and I
feel like, yeah, and it's untilyou meet other military brats.
It's one of two things thathappens.
Right, you grow up in yourfamilies.
One or both parents are at war.
Usually, no matter what branchyou're in, they're getting
stationed places, they'regetting deployed, coming home
whenever they can, right, sothat's what you're used to as a
child.
(02:21):
When we started this podcast,luminosity, kevin Quinn and I, a
lot of my first thoughts what,in the first 20 weeks, were that
?
No-transcript?
(02:42):
Well, worse, in a good way.
Right, because then you go tocollege.
Same stuff would happen.
Right, you go to internships,keep traveling, blah, blah, blah
, and then eventually you get tolike adulthood and you're still
kind of confused whether or notyou have a home base or you
know the right people that havebeen with you the whole time or
not.
It's been crazy.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I have an older brother.
So when I said that there's twoways to look at it, he took the
opposite.
He wanted to come hang out inTennessee.
He actually ended up marryingand having kids with my best
friend from Florida when welived there Okay, talking like
early 2000s.
So they both wanted that, likehey, we've been traveling our
whole life, it's time to justhang out, chill, have a family,
get a home or whatever.
So I'm the opposite one, whereI'm still running around and
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can't tell if I live here or LAor.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
New York.
You know, yeah, world traveler.
So do you have a lot of friendsstill from your childhood, or
was that?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I mean they look and feel and act differently.
You know we all grow up, butFacebook was a great way to stay
in touch with folks and then Idon't use that anymore and so
now Instagram's that and you'dbe surprised.
You grow up going to 10, 13different schools.
You live somewhere new everytwo to three years and you may
see them again.
You may never see them again,but yeah, I keep in touch with a
(03:55):
lot of them.
But I love the new friends too.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know what I mean you get to a new city.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
the entire city is your oyster to make all these
new friends, relationships, andthen, before you know it, you
got a whole nother batch ofpeople to kind of come home to
when you decide to go back tothat place.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, I feel like there's always different friend
groups, right?
It's like your childhoodfriends, high school friends,
college friends and then realworld work friends.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And everybody now says like it's important to keep
your group small.
Yeah, you know, in terms oflike your day-to-day close
friends, right, especially asadults.
You're a dad and so when Seanwas like, hey, what are you
doing later?
I was like we're gonna talkabout fatherhood, right, we're
gonna talk about your healthymind around that.
But as you have children, youknow you go into dad, mom mode,
buying the home, getting settled, and then that's your life,
(04:39):
that's every day.
So then you're so limited, Ithink, with the amount of time
that you can have with friends.
That's why I think the groupgets small.
Yeah, you know, and the onlyones we could talk about
friendship all day long but wedid an episode on that last year
and again this year where it'slike the healthiest friendships
are the ones you don't have tothink about Exactly hey, I'm in
town, cool, see you at dinner.
I like should be.
(05:00):
That's the, that's.
Those are the people you needin that small group.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, you know what I mean, but it's inevitable it
will be a very small group asyou get older right and the ones
you can call and, like you said, it feels like things never
change or you pick up where youleft off and you haven't talked
to them in months that's right,yeah, the best type of friends.
So yeah, fatherhood and we are,I mean, at least, talked about
schools.
Now that we have a kid, it'ssomething I never really thought
(05:22):
about.
Moving to Nashville, would yourecommend your childhood?
If you had kids, would you wantto plant your roots in one spot
and have them grow up and doall of their schooling in one
city?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, wow, wow, wow.
That's such a good question.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Because I feel like I have pressure now, because I'm
like all right, yeah, I don'twant to turn it on you.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Let me give you context and then I'm going to
turn the question back on you,because I think it depends on
how you and your lady want thechild to grow up Right.
Do you want like super stable,comfortable, small-town life?
You know that's one option.
Do you want them to grow up andexperience everything possible?
And you and your lady are thenresponsible for traveling to
those places, taking it uponyourself to get different homes
(06:06):
wherever right?
You know what I mean, and itkind of depends, at least in the
military life.
It was so subject to yourparents' job, mom or dad's in
the service.
You know one of four branchesand you're being told by the Air
Force, army, marines or Navywhat to do.
Hey, your family's going to gohere, we're going to take care
of it, don't worry about it.
Like I'll even tell you thisthat we didn't pay rent or we
(06:27):
didn't even have bills, not evenkidding.
Electric water, housing wasalways taken care of.
My parents weren't runningbills like we have to right now
as adults.
I'm not saying join themilitary.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I probably do really well, you know, I mean anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So, military life aside, I hear from people today
that they'll even move here toNashville.
Hey, you know, like we decidedto have a kid, have family, I
want to settle down.
They're going to go toNashville, Scottsdale, Austin.
They're not going to Miami, NewYork City or back into LA, you
know.
And so it's kind of dependenton what you guys want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I never put too much thought into it until
recently.
I'm like, all right, well,we've got a few years and
everybody I talked around herelike you gotta get on a waiting
list for these schools here.
Also.
Nashville is very differentbecause they say like you
basically have to do privateschool here and I'm a public
school guy last night.
I'm a big public school guy.
Um, and these private schoolsaround here, I'm like wait, how
(07:25):
much is that?
That's how much I was payingfor college yeah, it's insane.
More for your kid more yeah forhigh school because that then
gets stressful.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, tell me where you're at with that, because you
and your lady and the kid youguys now have to think in in
three.
And when you had this child, Iremember you saying on podcasts
before that, like now your lifeis your, is your family you know
what I mean.
And then so your prioritiesaround how you're making money.
You're about to open a new gymhere in nashville, like all
these things are happening whereyou then have to make sure that
that dictates what's going tohappen for your, for your baby
(07:56):
yeah and education's number one.
You ever thought abouthomeschooling?
That could be interesting.
Just get like an educator inthe back of the gym.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
We're going to put childcare atour new gym, so he's there
almost every day, which is cool,and we do like bringing him
everywhere because he's justgetting all of the senses, the
scenery, the noises, and I feellike that's the best way to
bring a child into the world,because there's two types of
(08:23):
learnings right, you'll have thebooks and then you'll have.
you'll have the books and thenyou'll have life and I think the
books I mean just give him abook, I don't know I mean how
much he's reading, but whatwe've learned in school.
How much of that has translatedbook wise into?
The majority of people'scareers.
That's right, I mean biggerquestions.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
to be asking him is not like hey, like maybe he does
want to go to college andfurther his education down the
line once he gets into gradeschool.
But then a big question is likewhat do you actually want to
like?
Who do you want to be when yougrow up?
Not what do you want to do, whodo you want to be?
I learned that there was awoman named Paula Ferris, former
ABC News anchor.
She wrote a book who do youwant to be when you grow up?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That's probably a book you want to definitely give
them.
Yeah, I'll check that out forsure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's just a lot of times we don't think enough
about that.
There's two separate thingshappening here for the child as
they're growing up.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And it's going to be interesting too now with all of
the technology AI as far asschooling goes.
I'm like how do these kids evendo homework?
Do they just type it into theirAI and it does it for them.
So what is the point of schoolright now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You know there's a lot of parents younger parents
even that are not giving theirkids phones and tablets, believe
it or not.
There was two people on theairplane yesterday.
We were talking abouttechnology.
None of us were on our phonesor devices, just chatting it up
like the old school days.
Right, and I hope that comesback.
I think there was a part ofhistory whenever you want to
call it early 1900s, you know,in the 1950s, there's there.
(09:44):
There was none of this, youknow, and thank God we have it
in a lot of ways.
But also it's just, it'sdetrimental to, like, folks'
mental health.
But for children, I mean,listen, I think it's.
There's gotta be guidelines andboundaries, especially in the
education system.
You know, if everything's on acomputer they're constantly on
their apps, then like there's noactual learning there.
It's just kind of like it's tooeasy seeing, it's easy at the
(10:06):
fingertips.
They're not being challenged,right?
So if you're not beingchallenged in school, why the
hell are you paying for it?
You know?
Or why are you even?
Why are you even there foreight hours, or however long
they go to school nowadays?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
and I think that's one of my favorite parts right
now of watching locks grow up isthat he just simply exists and
he can just sit there and he canlay down and he's smiling and
he doesn't have to check hisphone every two seconds, get
that dopamine rush.
It's like he hasn't beenpoisoned yet and I love that and
I'm, like you know, gonna tryas hard as we can not to make
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him a tablet kid.
Nothing against that mightchange when, when he gets to
that age.
You know, every parent isdifferent, but I love the fact
that he's just so innocent andit's just, like you know, kind
of old school.
Yeah, which is what we all usedto do.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Because if you're seeing it now with your child,
that's how we were.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We just didn't have these other external factors.
I always worried.
So when we started thisnonprofit and podcast, our
target was Gen Z and anyonebehind them, and last night on
the airplane I was telling a newfriend I was like hey, like you
know, we had a goal of makingsure that mental health was, or
to better folks' mental health,right.
But it won't help us when we'restarting to do things if we're
(11:20):
just going after folks that canrelate to us or folks that are
50 plus.
Even right, 30 to 50 year oldsare already in therapy maybe, or
they're already having thesediscussions with their friends
and families and loved ones.
And so I was like it's socritical that we aim that way.
Behind us, your son, 61% of thefolks are 13 to 26.
(11:43):
And I think that's so importantfor us to think about.
Like, okay, we're, how old areyou now?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Tomorrow I'm going to be 38.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh, happy early, yeah , getting old.
So I'm 20, I'm 10, 10 yearsbehind you and even if you think
about where our intellect isand where our minds are, you
know, and sometimes healthy andtoxic, right.
We, you know, and sometimeshealthy and toxic, right.
We're still going through a lotlike we have to think day to
day.
How are we kind of betteringthat?
But if we have this podcast,like you do or like mine, or you
have a child, or I have folksthat kevin and I are speaking to
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at events, it is important tokind of make sure that the
people in generations coming upare listening to folks like us,
who've kind of been through liferight without the tablets and
phones back and you know, whenwe were born right.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So let me ask you this now.
I feel like, more than ever, weare more conscious of mental
health and, at the same time,with the generations behind us,
I feel like they struggle themost, again with social media.
But do we see that mentalhealth is getting better or
(12:48):
worse?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, they always said it started with awareness
and talking about it.
That's where everybody shouldstart.
But as you start going kind ofdown what I call a spiral, right
.
Because in your mind is whereyou keep your thoughts, and
until they're down on paper.
On a podcast like this, I havea client that writes music
(13:10):
instead, you know, instead ofjournaling, like find the outlet
.
So it's like, yes,self-awareness is number one,
number two is is is like lettingyour words out, like I met
someone that was deaf yesterday.
Clearly he can't do what we'redoing.
Yeah, in the same way, right,so there's, you gotta find that
outlet that makes sense for youto kind of take what's in your
mind and put it on, like put itout there, right, um, and if
you're like sean booth, it'stricky actually.
(13:31):
So we're in the business atthis point, right, you launch an
organization.
We're showing up to events likeHollywood in Mind in LA, my
clients are all checked intorehab and therapy.
Sometimes I've been to therapyforever.
You've probably tried it anddone it.
So it's less about whateverybody's doing, about it,
right, because that's like thework is the work.
(13:53):
It's as if you're saying, hey,we want to defeat breast cancer,
okay, awareness campaigns,organizations, galas.
Same thing happens in themental health industry.
The same framework is there,but mental health is such a
personal thing.
So it's like taking an episode,like what we're doing right now
to help drive awareness, maybeeven help inspire some folks to
go check in on themselves andthings that we'll get to here in
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a sec.
But then, beyond that, it's likenow it's your turn listener,
reader, subscriber, attendee atthe event it is your turn.
You chose to show up and listen.
You chose to show up and learn.
Now you take that informationand you kind of download it how
you need to, because no one's inthe same place.
(14:36):
So it's a hard question toanswer.
Is it booming?
Yeah sure.
Is it talked about?
Yeah, sure.
Beyond that, it's actually sucha personal thing that you're
better off talking to your wifeand your kid at home and finding
the right resources and toolsthere in that home.
Then you come into the studio,do in the booth and you're the
healthiest, happiest, amazingperson.
When you're turning 38 tomorrow, you know, as opposed to oh,
(14:58):
what am I supposed to be doingThen?
I want to help everyone elseBecause it's like a lot of that
external action you can take,you believe it or not, it's not
going to serve you on the inside, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So I feel like a lot of people probably have trouble
with checking in with themselvesand realizing what is affecting
them and their mental health.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And it's a hard pill to swallow.
Sorry, it's a hard thing tolook at and to swallow Right.
You know, uh, if you've watchedthe documentary on quiet on set,
drake Bell and I became reallygood friends a couple of years
ago.
So I've been on that entirejourney.
I call it a rabbit hole,honestly, like a spiral with him
.
But him and I've talked everysingle day about the same thing
His, what he needs to look atfor his mental health, given his
(15:38):
like his.
You know what has happened tohim and the experience of being
a childhood star that's sodifferent than mine, but both of
us have agreed.
You know, I'm a little 28 yearold kid that just happens to be
his friend.
And then you have Drake, bellright, bell right.
And so for drake, it's like,okay, public eye, you've been
shamed.
No one freaking was sayinganything good about you two
years ago.
Now everyone loves you orwhatever.
So you take that.
(15:58):
And it's the same way that Iwould look in the mirror and say
, oh my god, I gotta work onthis.
That happened.
Oh god, I gotta go make goodwith that person.
Remember that one.
And then you get sure you knowwhat I'm saying.
Like everything is up here.
Yeah, to each individual, butif you can, uh, find it's really
courage.
You know what I.
But if you can find, it'sreally courage you know what I
mean, if you can find thecourage and just say you know
what?
Let me stare at myself in themirror.
(16:19):
Yeah, what the hell are we doing?
Yeah, you're 38 tomorrow.
You have a family, second gym'sopening up.
There's a lot of stuffhappening in your world.
You know, didn't have to bethat way.
You know, some people,depending on what you believe in
, you know where yourspirituality lies, your
religious beliefs and whatever,you can always say the same that
(16:40):
a lot of folks will agree on,which is a lot of this is meant
to be.
And, as colloquial as it maysound, you know things happen
for a reason and they do.
But it's up to you to kind oftake action on what feels
instinctually right for you,based on where you're at in your
life.
Right, you know, and then youcould do those check-ins as you
need to.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm a big believer that everything
happens for a reason.
It's just realizing thosereasons and taking action.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right, and it's us thinking and talking about it
right now.
It's like you can talk aboutthis stuff forever.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know what I mean.
Like every day, it's like wecould be anywhere.
We were in LA last week andsomeone was like, hey, like just
want to talk to you about thatpodcast episode we listened to.
I was like, oh yeah, of course,of course To.
An hour later, you know, ofcourse, in the middle of it, I
was like let's kind of drinkwhile talking about this stuff.
You know what I mean.
So, and we're all humans, wehave to coexist with each other.
They always say, like lonelinesssyndrome is at its highest
right, like where are we as asociety when it comes to mental
(17:32):
health?
A lot of people are lonely.
I'll pull stats and stuff later, but it's like I remember
trying to think to myself let'scombat loneliness while building
community and allowing everyoneto actually focus on themselves
while still existing witheveryone else.
And the only way to really dothat, if you think about it,
sean, is like what you'vecreated.
You have a huge community inNashville, right?
But you were smart to think,okay, well, I'm going to be
(17:54):
based there anyway.
And so your gym, right, boothcamp, and you have all these
other things about your platformthat could be existing anywhere
in the world, but you have agym here.
Everyone knows that that's acommunal spot for them, right,
you know, I'm sure you've doneall these run clubs, I've seen
all of it, and it buildscommunity.
And what you did really like,almost on the uh, hit the nail
(18:14):
on the head was you incorporated, um, a really specific strategy
to then put fitness in it.
Right, cause exercise is one ofthe top things that folks need
to survive a better mentalhealth journey.
So then you've kind of, youknow, morphed all that together
in one.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, exactly, and I always say too it's, it's the
community that brings peoplethere, and keeps people there.
Like everybody can work out.
Obviously the workouts are, wethink, the best and we have the
best coaches, but at the end ofthe day it's getting together
with your friends, gettingtogether with people that are
going to push you, and justhaving that sense of community,
especially as you get older andyou're working nine to five jobs
(18:52):
and you don't meet that manypeople.
But you can always go down tothe gym and hang out with your
friends for an hour.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And what happens beyond that's up to the person.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And it's interesting too that you say that now it's.
You know, there's studiesshowing how lonely people are in
the world.
That's the most connected it'sever been.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So again, that goes back to yeah, devices, I think,
yeah, devices Social media,because, remember, MySpace, like
you'd have to get home, right,You'd have to get home on the
computer, log in, make sure yourparents weren't behind you
because you can look.
You know what I'm saying.
Then you go to the little chatsection with your friends or go
to the timeline or whateverthey're called, like the.
You know where you can like,post and comment.
And then we get to Facebook,now meta Twitter, now X, and
(19:31):
like whatever.
And when social media went fromyour MySpace Facebook on the
desktop to the phone?
It's no longer Always connected.
Yeah, and I tell folks, one bigthing you can do right now for
your mental health is to takethat phone and turn all your
notifications off and then makesure in your brain you start
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practicing the good habit ofchecking it when you know you
need to be on it.
Right, you know what I mean.
Or else you're always going tobe pinged, vibrated or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
mean, and it's always there and it's nonstop and
people are like, oh, I turn itoff at 10.
There's always different habitsyou can have with your cell
phone.
You said it earlier.
It's like the dopamine hitexists and that's one of the
four happiness hormones.
Right, you have serotonin,oxytocin, dopamine and
endorphins.
You handle endorphins at thegym.
Dopamine, it sounds like, comesfrom the phone and all these
other areas too, or maybe coffeeand stuff like that.
(20:22):
Serotonin is the best one.
I will say this until the day Idie.
Serotonin is where you're kindof at a standstill, pumping the
endorphins.
Right, you're getting it andbefore you know it you don't
realize your mind actually needsto pause and so I'd go in there
.
I'm like, all right, let melike hit the like a 30 at a 15.
(20:44):
Right, for those who don't know, it's like you're walking at an
incline on a treadmill tryingto burn some fat and get warmed
up, and I was like, all right,let's hit some weights, whatever
, whatever.
And then I always end a workoutlaying down.
I don't care how long it takes,but my mind I then have to like
practice where it's at and likeslow it down, see what thoughts
come through.
And then in the sauna.
Same thing 15 minutes, right.
So that's just a simple fitnesshack that has allowed me to
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start these morningsintentionally.
No phone exists.
You know, phones usually on thePeloton hook or whatever.
No notifications are on thatphone, so it's until 10-ish,
maybe 9.30, until today.
Well, it's obviously Sean and Iwere texting this morning, but
you know, most mornings I don'tthink about my phone.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And you start that way.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right, and that's what I enjoy about getting up
early is that the world's kindof still sleeping?
So, those couple hours?
Yeah, what time are you ofstill sleeping those couple
hours?
Yeah, what time you getting up?
Is it 4 30?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
yeah, that's like 4 18, 4 20 is it a body clock
thing now where, yeah, the alarmis still just up?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
yeah, I can't really sleep in um.
But it's interesting though,because the last couple nights
I've just been laying in bedjust like thinking about
everything, like sometimes I'lljust yeah I'll get up.
I'll fall asleep quick and hard, and then I'll get up, and then
I'm just like laying there.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Does it feel like anxiety at that point?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, you start, you know, questioning everything.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Somebody said there's two things and I just want to
allude to.
When you talked with ToddAnderson, he actually have you
used any mouth tape in the yearspast?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So the way that you breathe in your sleep I think he
told you on this on yourepisode with him that's changed
my life, cause when you go tobed you're just doing that nasal
stuff.
Your body listens to that.
So I think there's a body mindconnection for all of us, and
I've done it.
I think the other day I woke upin the middle of my sleep, just
like you, and it's it's thethoughts that weren't out.
Imagine that.
(22:33):
Pretty simple, Like the theoryis pretty simple.
The thoughts that were not outof your mind are now affecting
your body, waking you up in themiddle of your sleep.
Your circadian rhythm, all thatstuff your deep sleep's
affecting you're screwed thenext day.
You know, and they say, sleep'salso one of the biggest things
that you have to focus on foryour mental health, and just
your overall health.
Of course, the reason I bringthat up is because I think that
a lot of folks aren't findingvices at the end of the night.
(22:57):
So number one, like, of course,turn your phone off an hour
before, not off, but put away.
If you have these otherthoughts, get a little notepad.
You know a buddy Patrick ofmine just has a notepad at his
table.
A little extreme.
But if you have all thesethoughts that you know tomorrow
you can handle.
You got to focus on gettingthat seven, eight hours first.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like the thoughtsjust come rushing in at once and
you can't sleep and it almostmakes you feel like okay, well,
like, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
What am I supposed to do with these thoughts?
I'm exhausted Cause yourbrain's not on Something I was
going to tell you today, was it?
I don't know about you.
It takes me an hour on average,maybe 45 minutes, hour and 15
to just wake up.
You know, people are like I'mnot a morning person.
No one's a morning person.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, you have to, because your brain's not on.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Exactly, and it's like how do you become a morning
person?
Of course it's learning to wakeup, like Sean at 4, you know,
418 or whatever, and or wheneveryour body naturally knows it's
going to wake up after getting agood night's sleep, but then,
literally practicing the art ofhow to wake up, it sets the
whole day, you know, and then,from a mental health standpoint,
(23:56):
nobody wants to wake up,feeling anxious.
What's the first thing peopledo when they wake up?
I'd argue that it's 90% of theworld, even people that are like
50, 60, 70 years old right now.
You know what I mean?
They're pulling their phone out, and it's a habitual thing.
So then you have to say, okay,let me wake up, stretch chill.
I always imagine I'm like oh,I'm laying on the clouds.
(24:17):
Sounds a little woo-woo, right,but I'm very spiritual these
days, hence the bracelets.
That's what LA does to peopleand I go.
You know what?
There is something so calmingabout waking up, hearing the
birds or the cicadas outside andthen eventually just going.
I ain, I don't fricking know.
(24:38):
Take a probiotic, go, get on thetoilet, whatever you need to do
rinse your mouth you know whatI mean and then get to the phone
.
It's all waiting for you anyway, exactly you know, and any
adult that you're working withor someone that wants your
attention.
I think there's a secret hereand you're probably good at it,
because I tried to get in touchwith you last month and I'm just
(24:59):
kidding, I'm not.
Hey, sean, let's you know,whatever.
So there's power to that.
From a business standpoint,there's a lot of power to that
right.
But on your personal mentalhealth front, you owe yourself
the power to say yeah, I'll getto that later.
Yeah, but don't be the dimwit,not you, but anyone listening.
Don't be the dimwit that's likeoh, I read your message, I
would get back to you later Isaw your email I forwarded to my
assistant.
Like that's like ego stuff.
(25:20):
Yeah, don't do that.
Yeah, be the person that says Ijust haven't texted anybody for
a week you know, my phone'sjust not been on me.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, oh yeah, everybody can uh call me out on
that too, because I don't knowif it's a good thing or a bad
thing, but I get so overwhelmedwith stuff I just have to like I
can't even like put my focus onit.
It's wild, nothing wrong withthat?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
yeah, because to go from real life to digital in a
snap of a second, it also takeswhat, on average, 15 minutes to
get back into focus mode, inwhich then you can only stay
focused for about 30 minutes ata time.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
But even that is something that I was stressing
out about too.
I feel like just this was twonights ago, like everything,
every thought worry I had wascoming to my mind, and that was
one thing.
Gosh, I feel like there's somany people I need to get back
to, there's so many things Ineed to stay on top of, and I
just feel like I got pulled inso many different directions
that it's so feels sounorganized.
And how do you stay organized?
I mean I, the one of the firstthings I do when I wake up is
(26:11):
I'll sit down and I'll I have ato-do list on my phone and I'll
just like prioritize the mostimportant things of the day.
But it's difficult for mebecause I have many different
kind of career paths and I meanthe gym is obviously the main
thing, but then I got thepodcast, do a little real estate
(26:32):
and and social media is a wholebig thing, and so it's just
like there's so many littlethings in different directions
where sometimes I'm like man, Ijust wish I just had one thing
Nine to five, but then if I hadthat.
I'd be like I'd be bored.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Grass is always greener, always.
Right so it always feels haveyou ever had a nine to five?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, and I didn't like it so, but I had my first
job out of college.
It was an insurance company,but I got to work from home,
make my own schedule, so I'venever really had like sit in one
place all day, so you're justused to it at this point.
Yeah, and now I've been doingmy own thing and creating my own
income for almost 10 years,right, so, which also adds
(27:16):
pressure and a lot of stress,right where you know, now that I
have a family, it adds morestress.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
so you ever take moments to just not think about
any of it.
That's also powerful for yourmind.
I know I try to.
It's always going always yep.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But I will say, with locks I do.
I'm able to just hang out andrelax with him because I just
look at him, I hold him and it'srelaxing and it's relaxing and
it's like nothing and yeah, andI try to just exist with him.
And then it also puts thingsinto perspective.
I'm like, screw all that otherstuff right now.
(27:52):
That's not important.
Like none of that is important.
This is what's important.
Like what if I am not heretomorrow?
or next week does it matter,know?
Does the gym really matterright now or the time that
you're going to miss with yourson?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So I'm happy for you.
There's a lot of dads thatcan't have that perspective and
just the intention to find thatremedy in your child.
Because one thing I learned Ithink I told you this, but we I
think in 2020, I started thatmen's mental health podcast and
for a long time I was like I'mjust going to focus on that.
It was the one thing for a longtime, and the common thread
with a lot of the guests thatwere dads, celebrities, whoever
(28:27):
literally was that theirrelationship to their kid or
their children or their you know, now adult children.
The common thread was like, hey, you know, that's my life,
that's why I do all of this.
So when you have that child, itchanges things.
You know, and and and.
But on the other side of it,too, I've had I've actually not
to get morbid and dark, butthat's just like where I'm
living these days.
(28:48):
I'm just kidding.
Uh, I've had two friends thatwere dads that committed suicide
, and so just I.
And so when I meet people, I'mlike, yeah, like you just never
know what's going on, rightbehind the scenes and I would
argue that, like my two friendsyou know, now gone, it's like it
got to a point where it was.
I probably wasn't about thekids, you know.
I'm saying I think it was work,I think it was wife, husband,
(29:10):
one was you know, one was gayand I was like something ain't
right and it was lack of umopening up, right, that's what
it was.
Neither of them were in therapy.
Yeah, they were hard asses.
You know what I'm saying andI'm not saying that's what it
was.
Neither of them were in therapy, they were hard asses.
You know what I'm saying andI'm not saying that's how it's
for most men.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's common For guys who create, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So when you say that you know your son, you're able
to kind of like actually relax.
Good, because some dadsespecially dads listening to
this or wives listening to thisnow like moms, you know the kid
becomes an added stress, so youhave to be careful of that,
depending on how you navigatethat.
A kid is a beautiful thing butmany, many people are in
different situations, just likewith all of us with our mental
(29:48):
health.
They're getting, they feel andreact different to the child.
You know what I mean and we'veheard the stories.
Listen.
Everybody has a differentchildhood upbringing.
You have a very healthyrelationship with your family
and your kids, so that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, and that's something too.
I've always thought about that,even just watching movies,
growing up, like hook, forexample, with Robin Williams,
and it was like the whole plotwas the kid never saw his dad.
His dad was always busy and hisand he'd be super upset because
the dad couldn't make it to thebaseball game.
Right, and I was always like Inever want to be that and I
(30:24):
always, for some reason, thoughtthat.
So I've always wanted to be adad and now, even if there's
things that might start to getme annoyed, it'll like I'll shut
that off immediately.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like I, I don't get stressed out about it, um, so
then the your yeah, and thenyou're challenged to yourself.
Now is taking that energy andthat thought process?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
into your work life?
I think that's yeah, and thework, because you mentioned
you're, like stress, anxious toalleviate.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
All of that is to find what you see in him in your
work yeah, that's easy.
You literally own yourbusinesses.
Yeah, tell me this real quick.
And this is the only business,the hardest thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I feel like I'm like it is so hard if you have to
deal with you know I get there'sdifferent types of businesses,
or maybe you work for yourselfand that's all you have.
But if you have employees andit is extremely difficult.
I've been through the ups, thehighest of highs, lowest of lows
in six years of the gym andit's just it wears on you, wears
(31:20):
your responsibilities there andyou is there yeah, your
responsibilities are there.
You always want to, you know,keep everybody happy.
You feel like you let peopledown and it's like it's almost
like you want.
The community is such ablessing and a curse because
it's so strong, but then ifanything happens within it,
(31:42):
you're affected by it more.
Or if, uh, somebody leaves,then it like really hurts.
Or if you lose a coach or youknow what I'm saying like it's
because you kick, I care so muchand it's hard not to be
personal and it's hard not to bepersonal, um, so that was
always a struggle the first fewyears.
(32:02):
I'm starting to try and getbetter with that.
But yeah, I mean, owning abusiness is tough.
The people are the hardest part, right 100%.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You know, I left NBC three years ago and I've been a
solo business owner since.
Yeah, so I couldn't do what youdo.
But I will tell you this youwent from being like a
star-studded personality afteryou launched out.
When was that show?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
2016 15 after corporate right yeah during the
business launch no, no, so Ilaunched a business right after
that right after it see.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, so to come out as a personality.
You're so smart to leverageright, leverage all the
excitement right and then hey,come to nashville.
And then non-stop sense rightso I think, it'll be really
unique to watch you open thesecond gym, yeah, watch your son
keep growing up, yeah, and seewhere you actually want to place
your, your energy.
It's a big thing.
It's a big energy is huge whenyou're working.
(33:01):
This is work for you, yeah youknow you're reading off the
intro, I was like damn, he'sbetter than me.
I usually just wear sweats andwhen I'm introducing people on a
podcast, I'm like hi, yeah,welcome that's one of my
favorite parts, the intros,everybody, um, but yeah it's uh
it's super difficult because Iam naturally an introvert.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Um, I keep a really close circle.
I'll open up once I get to knowyou.
I have a very difficult timewith trusting people Always have
.
So owning a business and thenhaving your name on it and then
trying to be outgoing and makeeverybody feel welcomed was
difficult.
So then Again, people would belike oh you standoffish.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But I'm like no, I'm just shy, I'm just shy.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I would rather like I'll go into the back room and
hang out before my class mosttime, just like be by myself.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You have to charge up To charge up.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, mentally for sure, and then I'll come home
and I'm just like I don't wantto talk right now just because
I'm so drained.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Everyone will build their own perception of you,
regardless of how you act tothem in front of them, around
them, right even behind, like ifyou're not even around the
person.
You as a public figure at thispoint, yes, that's always a
thing.
Anyway, you know, if the showdidn't teach you that, then
clearly social media and havingthese people in your gym might
do that more.
Yeah, you hit on somethingreally interesting, which is
this idea of like introversion.
Right, so everybody talks aboutlike hey, what kind of
personality type are you?
Hey, I'm an introverted x-year.
I'm an extroverted yeah you justexplained all of that.
So, if you guys are listening,that's exactly what y'all
(34:33):
probably wanted to hear anyway.
Right, like you're helpingfolks, anyway, help like
understand who you are, to thenbuild, hopefully, just a
positive perception, havingopened up like this.
That's the power of, I think,mental health conversations
anyway.
But then now it gets to betranslated into your business
and maybe that just takes, likeyou know, focusing on the good
and, like you, knowing torecharge here and go home.
(34:54):
You don't feel like talking tobut you're following.
Like you.
Yeah, I'm the opposite.
You know, I have the recharge,the same way you do, right, but
I need to be doing backflips atyour gym and I need to be like
getting, I need to know everyonein the room.
Yeah, I do, right, you knowwhat I mean.
And it's not exhausting, it'scharging.
Yeah, you know, it charges meup, whereas for you it seems
like it kind of like drains youyeah, but your awareness is
(35:14):
excellent on that yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And then people be like, oh, he's got his favorites
.
Or even dre, she makes fun ofme.
She's like, oh, they're just,you know, the bc crew, or
they're the the ones that seanloves.
I'm like, no, those are justpeople I feel comfortable with.
So then I'll naturallygravitate towards them in a room
of people I've talked with andnatural human instinct.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think, we've lost.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We've lost empathy and compassion as a society.
So for someone to like tell youwhat someone else said, that's
whatever.
But for someone to likedeliberately say hey, I think
you're like, you have yourfavorites and I feel this way
they start getting personallyaffected by how you are.
They have to look a little moreinside.
Right, I'd never look at youhang out yeah, that's what I
think too.
I'm like do your thing.
I'm gonna go hang out thesepeople instead, but like it's
(35:59):
just gotten to a point where,like, if we can all be a little
bit more empathetic and practicethis idea of like empathy meets
compassion when you'reinteracting with human beings,
we're not going to have all thislike shit talking or taking
things personal or gettingdepressed about someone not
interacting with us or emailingus back or texting us back or
talking to us in person, and weshouldn't be taking things that
personal right, because it's notabout them, it's about you.
(36:22):
And if that's the case, let'slike, make sure that you look at
that person and, you know,project a little bit more of
that positive energy out to them, as opposed to just maybe why
you feel you tell me if I'mwrong, but this is just to
finish the thought on yourexample.
If the folks who are like, hey,like, let's say there's been
negative Nancy's around, yeah,right, that's draining, yeah,
(36:47):
should they come to you andapproach and say, hey, like
anything else, like, hey, it'sso good to see you, um, saw, you
do this the other day.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I loved it, just a good energy.
It's not going to drain youright.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So it's got to be a little bit more of the positive
yeah less of the negative stuffyeah, absolutely I agree.
I think uh people take thingstoo personal yeah, but, sean,
this is exactly what you and Iprobably have an issue with too,
so here's what I'm getting withthat yeah taking things
personal, especially in business, I think is one of the biggest
challenges we all have.
We all have it, yeah, you know,cause we're all human beings
(37:14):
and in a perfect world none ofus be working.
We all make the same amount ofmoney just living our lives.
You ever heard of the sevenblue zones of the world on
Netflix?
I forgot the name of the show.
I think it's called blue zones,something like that.
And um, there's, there's sevenplaces in the world.
I'll tell you.
One place is okinawa, japan.
That's all I remember from theshow, because I have adhd and so
I don't remember anything.
But it all came down to likethe.
(37:35):
The top things that thosecities, I guess within the
countries or even the countriesthemselves, have in common was
really just their lifestyle.
They laugh a lot.
There's no stress community.
You're close to your family andyour friends, right, you know?
even if you're in a relationship, they're usually part of the
bigger picture of your life, asopposed to that little friend.
(37:55):
You know I'm dating that oneperson and then you know we all
have that friend that dates thatperson and gets married and
then you never see him again.
Right, this idea that we areall overstimulated, taking
things personal from like socialmedia or even in your in booth
camp, at the fitness, fitnessclasses and stuff.
I think it comes down to likewhere are you?
(38:17):
Are you fulfilled?
Are you happy?
Are you comfortable?
Are you settled?
You know, are you grounded?
You know, and a lot of that'sbased on where your environment
is Not to say Nashville is not agreat place for that based on
where your environment is, notto say Nashville's not a great
place for that, right, but a lotof not one place was United
States based, because we'restill a young country figuring
it out.
But that Blue Zones on Netflixis something that proved that
it's all about your environmentand how you build your lifestyle
(38:37):
around pure joy and happinessand health.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Yeah, because even when I wasstressing out the other night,
I'm like I just want to movefamily to Montana or New
Hampshire and just live a simple, simple life.
But then I know as soon as I dothat I'm back on board.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
We said that earlier too.
Like what if we did go back tothe simple old days?
I mean, I think that's where Ifind peace.
I wear a black t-shirt everyfreaking day.
Yeah, had the same white sneakstill they get dirty, I'll
switch them out.
Yeah, you got to go that littlebit.
I don't like like, say, stevejobs way, but that simple,
minimalistic lifestyle andlearning backwards, you know,
like learning about what hasworked in the past, decades ago,
(39:20):
hey, when things were thatsimple and you know, yeah, how
did they live right.
And then incorporating that inyour, into your life now.
And you mentioned a lot like Idon't know your catalog.
I think it's like eightbusinesses and multiple brands,
probably right now.
But look at your catalog and go, you know what?
I don't need that?
Yeah, that can wait till nextyear.
The four later uh, method is isvery healthy yeah, I'll write
(39:43):
the book next year.
I'm sure you want to write abook, right?
so I do see, like you know likeor um, oh, the next kid now,
let's give it a couple yearsactually, so he can actually get
our love first.
And you know, I'm saying likeit's applicable to anything but
the four later strategies, likeand it helps your head, or not
your head, but your mind, yeah,it'll help you out.
Be like oh okay, because yourthoughts are going to come in
anyway.
Yeah, you know, and when yourthoughts come in, you're like
(40:06):
later, right.
Or ignore the thought to put itto the side.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I like that.
Well, I'm going to give you thefloor here for the next couple
of minutes because I got to getto.
Class here Starts in 14 minutesSpeaking of booth camp, but we
need to do another episode.
This is.
I feel like I could talk to youall day about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's actually how Sean and I met.
It's actually how Sean and Imet.
I think we sat down, we talkedabout your personal brand for a
bit, but how I've met you, alongwith a lot of our colleagues
and friends and partners, andnot just in Nashville, but
across this country.
This is how these start.
Just so anybody listening, it'snot like Sean and I are like
best friends, but we did havewe've hung out once and I've
watched you, but clearly likethere's a lot of noise with what
(40:45):
you do and what I do, and soit's always nice to like chill
out and have these types of likeconversations.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
No, I love these conversations, somebody said to
me the other day at the gym.
They're like I feel like you dopodcasting as therapy, like I
listened to your episodes and Ifeel like it's just like a
escape for you and it is.
I love doing them.
It's just again getting back tosimple life, having real,
genuine conversations, andthat's what I love the most.
So we're definitely gonna haveto do this again.
Then give me a couple of tipsand tricks for everybody
(41:12):
listening mental health, numberone.
You said you gotta check inwith yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah well, number one , let's call it number zero.
Actually, right, it's a lot ofawareness and before you can
check in and find what resourcesand tools that you need.
Resources and tools, by the way, is not like a technical thing.
Resources and tools is likefinding out what you need in
your mornings.
But, yeah, awareness, I thinkit's being self-aware.
It's looking, you're like allthe ugliness, let's call it for
(41:37):
what it is in the mirror andsaying you know what?
I just don't feel good.
Why don't I feel good?
Oh, I get anxious around people.
Do I have social anxiety, youknow?
Another example is, you know Iget angry when that person does
that thing.
Is that my childhood trauma?
Is that my daddy issues?
Right, like just being aware,and the more you start
practicing it, I call it's like.
It's like exercise.
Yeah, you know which I'll getto in two seconds.
It's like when you exercise,you're not going to be able to
(41:58):
power clean.
To what is it?
245 plates on the side, I don'teven do that stuff anymore.
but, like you know, you can'tpower clean a heavier weight
unless you're like going throughthe motions.
You got to go study up on it,call a trainer or a friend like
Sean, and right, you got tobuild the knowledge.
after you're aware, then you gointo like the tactics and stuff
you know and then, once you haveresources and tools, you start
(42:19):
practicing.
Literally, you can take itmetaphorically as a sport.
Mental health is a sport.
You know.
No-transcript said earlier youoverthink, I overthink, we all
(42:59):
overthink.
But those simple steps is likeself-awareness, getting clear on
your intentions of where yourmental health needs to be.
Tools and resources they'reeverywhere and they're free.
Therapy is not free.
I mean, I hate that, but youknow there's cheaper options.
And before even going totherapy, I'll be honest with you
(43:19):
.
You know, not every therapyI've had.
Like seven therapists wouldnever name any of them and I
didn't like some of them, notthat I didn't like them.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Sorry, we weren't a match.
Yeah, there's not the rightmatch.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, therapy is not always the answer.
So, yeah, those are the I meanto me, those are the biggest
things you know.
And then, once you start likemassaging the exercise of what
you need to be doing foryourself, like listening to the
right podcasts, going to theright people, having the right
open, honest conversations withyourself, your family and
friends, and then a professionalif you need it and if you're
really struggling we say thisall the time if you're like
(43:48):
every day you're depressed andyou can't get out of that hole,
come on, you gotta go actuallyfind professionals who can help
you get diagnosed with certainthings, give you actual
resources like some people haveto get on medication to come out
of that hole, and thenultimately, you gotta look, you
gotta almost get excited as well.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I'll say that about the journey, right, yeah, and
it's like you said, the journeynot always the destination.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, that's where the beauty lies, yeah to like to
get anxious about anxietyactually doubles your anxiety if
you think about it.
Or to get sad about yourdepression.
Right, how weird is that?
I know you're already feelingsad and upset about something.
To feel sad about it, what theheck heck you need to live in
this new I wanted to bring thisup to you too Like the state of
calmness, right and neutralitywhere you can say you know what?
(44:35):
I have an energy healer here inNashville and she was like one
to 10.
We went down the line.
My answer was five foreverything, not extreme on
either side.
Okay, so when you can live inthat I call it like a flowed
state and you can make decisionsbetter, you can find the
resources better, you can havethese conversations more clear,
(44:55):
and I think it's like livingthat, living in that like a flow
state.
And I read something recentlytoo.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It said like 85 to 90% of everything that you
stress about and worry aboutdoesn't end up happening.
So it's like you are wastingthat energy and that stress on
something that's never going tohappen.
So that's also something tothink about, and those are all
very good tips and tricks.
We appreciate it.
Like I said, we'll definitelyget you in for another episode.
(45:23):
We can talk about so much more.
Where can everybody find you?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
If you.
I mean, we have that podcast,luminosity, and the reason I
bring it up is our episodes.
I'll be honest with you,whether it's checking on your
loved ones, like what we didtoday, or friendship and ego we
talked about ego theconversations Kevin and I have
before we bring experts andcelebrities in it will actually
(45:51):
you'll find that there'sresources embedded in the
episode.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I mean Like we're giving tools and tricks and
stats and figures on everything.
Um so luminosity of thatpodcast.
Um, yeah, awesome, check it out.
Thank you, justin, weappreciate it.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
And thank you.
I mean your listeners say thisall the time to you, but you,
you're vulnerable, you're honest, you're authentic and that's
that's a great host of a showlike this.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
appreciate that all right guys.
Team on three.
we are back in the booth and I'm sean booth and
hopefully you guys are having agood day.
Wherever you're listening from,we appreciate the support.
Maybe you are listening fromontario, ottawa, maybe you are
listening from anaheim,california, which I'm heading to
tonight, or maybe we havesomebody listening from misawa,
(00:30):
japan, and if you're notwatching us, you can head over
to youtube.
We have all of our episodesthere every week.
So, thank you, guys.
We're gonna get into it.
Today, very excited for thisconversation, I have a special
guest to my left and joining meis the co-host of a modern day
mental health podcast andnon-profit called Luminosity.
(00:53):
He started his career workingin New York City with some of
the top media companies in theworld, including NBC, before he
decided he wanted nothing morethan to focus his work or better
mental health for his audiences, partners and himself.
So today we're going to diveinto all things mental health,
which I love and I'm verypassionate about.
(01:14):
So, ladies and gentlemen, giveit up for Justin Crawford.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Give it up for Sean Boone.
Yeah, here it is.
You know I've met a lot ofpodcast hosts in the past, even
just the past couple of weeks.
You're great.
You're really good at thisYou've interviewed half of my
friends.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I have here in Nashville I have that's how we
got you here and Misawa, that'scorrect.
Right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Misawa, misawa.
The Americans say Misawa.
Misawa is El, morishii is thelast little part of it, hometown
.
Yeah, I mean, we lived therefour total times but, as you
could imagine, like militarybrats you're a little bit of
everywhere up until you're about17, 18, before you go to
college, and so that's hometownfor sure.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Wait.
So that's like a wildupbringing.
And is that why you want to getinto mental health, did you Woo
?
How much time do we have?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, right, because you're moving all over and I
feel like, yeah, and it's untilyou meet other military brats.
It's one of two things thathappens.
Right, you grow up in yourfamilies.
One or both parents are at war.
Usually, no matter what branchyou're in, they're getting
stationed places, they'regetting deployed, coming home
whenever they can, right, sothat's what you're used to as a
child.
(02:21):
When we started this podcast,luminosity, kevin Quinn and I, a
lot of my first thoughts what,in the first 20 weeks, were that
?
No-transcript?
(02:42):
Well, worse, in a good way.
Right, because then you go tocollege.
Same stuff would happen.
Right, you go to internships,keep traveling, blah, blah, blah
, and then eventually you get tolike adulthood and you're still
kind of confused whether or notyou have a home base or you
know the right people that havebeen with you the whole time or
not.
It's been crazy.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I have an older brother.
So when I said that there's twoways to look at it, he took the
opposite.
He wanted to come hang out inTennessee.
He actually ended up marryingand having kids with my best
friend from Florida when welived there Okay, talking like
early 2000s.
So they both wanted that, likehey, we've been traveling our
whole life, it's time to justhang out, chill, have a family,
get a home or whatever.
So I'm the opposite one, whereI'm still running around and
(03:24):
can't tell if I live here or LAor.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
New York.
You know, yeah, world traveler.
So do you have a lot of friendsstill from your childhood, or
was that?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I mean they look and feel and act differently.
You know we all grow up, butFacebook was a great way to stay
in touch with folks and then Idon't use that anymore and so
now Instagram's that and you'dbe surprised.
You grow up going to 10, 13different schools.
You live somewhere new everytwo to three years and you may
see them again.
You may never see them again,but yeah, I keep in touch with a
(03:55):
lot of them.
But I love the new friends too.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know what I mean you get to a new city.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
the entire city is your oyster to make all these
new friends, relationships, andthen, before you know it, you
got a whole nother batch ofpeople to kind of come home to
when you decide to go back tothat place.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right, I feel like there's always different friend
groups, right?
It's like your childhoodfriends, high school friends,
college friends and then realworld work friends.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And everybody now says like it's important to keep
your group small.
Yeah, you know, in terms oflike your day-to-day close
friends, right, especially asadults.
You're a dad and so when Seanwas like, hey, what are you
doing later?
I was like we're gonna talkabout fatherhood, right, we're
gonna talk about your healthymind around that.
But as you have children, youknow you go into dad, mom mode,
buying the home, getting settled, and then that's your life,
(04:39):
that's every day.
So then you're so limited, Ithink, with the amount of time
that you can have with friends.
That's why I think the groupgets small.
Yeah, you know, and the onlyones we could talk about
friendship all day long but wedid an episode on that last year
and again this year where it'slike the healthiest friendships
are the ones you don't have tothink about Exactly hey, I'm in
town, cool, see you at dinner.
I like should be.
(05:00):
That's the, that's.
Those are the people you needin that small group.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, you know what I mean, but it's inevitable it
will be a very small group asyou get older right and the ones
you can call and, like you said, it feels like things never
change or you pick up where youleft off and you haven't talked
to them in months that's right,yeah, the best type of friends.
So yeah, fatherhood and we are,I mean, at least, talked about
schools.
Now that we have a kid, it'ssomething I never really thought
(05:22):
about.
Moving to Nashville, would yourecommend your childhood?
If you had kids, would you wantto plant your roots in one spot
and have them grow up and doall of their schooling in one
city?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, wow, wow, wow.
That's such a good question.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Because I feel like I have pressure now, because I'm
like all right, yeah, I don'twant to turn it on you.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Let me give you context and then I'm going to
turn the question back on you,because I think it depends on
how you and your lady want thechild to grow up Right.
Do you want like super stable,comfortable, small-town life?
You know that's one option.
Do you want them to grow up andexperience everything possible?
And you and your lady are thenresponsible for traveling to
those places, taking it uponyourself to get different homes
(06:06):
wherever right?
You know what I mean, and itkind of depends, at least in the
military life.
It was so subject to yourparents' job, mom or dad's in
the service.
You know one of four branchesand you're being told by the Air
Force, army, marines or Navywhat to do.
Hey, your family's going to gohere, we're going to take care
of it, don't worry about it.
Like I'll even tell you thisthat we didn't pay rent or we
(06:27):
didn't even have bills, not evenkidding.
Electric water, housing wasalways taken care of.
My parents weren't runningbills like we have to right now
as adults.
I'm not saying join themilitary.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I probably do really well, you know, I mean anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So, military life aside, I hear from people today
that they'll even move here toNashville.
Hey, you know, like we decidedto have a kid, have family, I
want to settle down.
They're going to go toNashville, Scottsdale, Austin.
They're not going to Miami, NewYork City or back into LA, you
know.
And so it's kind of dependenton what you guys want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I never put too much thought into it until
recently.
I'm like, all right, well,we've got a few years and
everybody I talked around herelike you gotta get on a waiting
list for these schools here.
Also.
Nashville is very differentbecause they say like you
basically have to do privateschool here and I'm a public
school guy last night.
I'm a big public school guy.
Um, and these private schoolsaround here, I'm like wait, how
(07:25):
much is that?
That's how much I was payingfor college yeah, it's insane.
More for your kid more yeah forhigh school because that then
gets stressful.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, tell me where you're at with that, because you
and your lady and the kid youguys now have to think in in
three.
And when you had this child, Iremember you saying on podcasts
before that, like now your lifeis your, is your family you know
what I mean.
And then so your prioritiesaround how you're making money.
You're about to open a new gymhere in nashville, like all
these things are happening whereyou then have to make sure that
that dictates what's going tohappen for your, for your baby
(07:56):
yeah and education's number one.
You ever thought abouthomeschooling?
That could be interesting.
Just get like an educator inthe back of the gym.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, exactly yeah.
We're going to put childcare atour new gym, so he's there
almost every day, which is cool,and we do like bringing him
everywhere because he's justgetting all of the senses, the
scenery, the noises, and I feellike that's the best way to
bring a child into the world,because there's two types of
(08:23):
learnings right, you'll have thebooks and then you'll have.
you'll have the books and thenyou'll have life and I think the
books I mean just give him abook, I don't know I mean how
much he's reading, but whatwe've learned in school.
How much of that has translatedbook wise into?
The majority of people'scareers.
That's right, I mean biggerquestions.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
to be asking him is not like hey, like maybe he does
want to go to college andfurther his education down the
line once he gets into gradeschool.
But then a big question is likewhat do you actually want to
like?
Who do you want to be when yougrow up?
Not what do you want to do, whodo you want to be?
I learned that there was awoman named Paula Ferris, former
ABC News anchor.
She wrote a book who do youwant to be when you grow up?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That's probably a book you want to definitely give
them.
Yeah, I'll check that out forsure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's just a lot of times we don't think enough
about that.
There's two separate thingshappening here for the child as
they're growing up.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And it's going to be interesting too now with all of
the technology AI as far asschooling goes.
I'm like how do these kids evendo homework?
Do they just type it into theirAI and it does it for them.
So what is the point of schoolright now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You know there's a lot of parents younger parents
even that are not giving theirkids phones and tablets, believe
it or not.
There was two people on theairplane yesterday.
We were talking abouttechnology.
None of us were on our phonesor devices, just chatting it up
like the old school days.
Right, and I hope that comesback.
I think there was a part ofhistory whenever you want to
call it early 1900s, you know,in the 1950s, there's there.
(09:44):
There was none of this, youknow, and thank God we have it
in a lot of ways.
But also it's just, it'sdetrimental to, like, folks'
mental health.
But for children, I mean,listen, I think it's.
There's gotta be guidelines andboundaries, especially in the
education system.
You know, if everything's on acomputer they're constantly on
their apps, then like there's noactual learning there.
It's just kind of like it's tooeasy seeing, it's easy at the
(10:06):
fingertips.
They're not being challenged,right?
So if you're not beingchallenged in school, why the
hell are you paying for it?
You know?
Or why are you even?
Why are you even there foreight hours, or however long
they go to school nowadays?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
and I think that's one of my favorite parts right
now of watching locks grow up isthat he just simply exists and
he can just sit there and he canlay down and he's smiling and
he doesn't have to check hisphone every two seconds, get
that dopamine rush.
It's like he hasn't beenpoisoned yet and I love that and
I'm, like you know, gonna tryas hard as we can not to make
(10:38):
him a tablet kid.
Nothing against that mightchange when, when he gets to
that age.
You know, every parent isdifferent, but I love the fact
that he's just so innocent andit's just, like you know, kind
of old school.
Yeah, which is what we all usedto do.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Because if you're seeing it now with your child,
that's how we were.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
We just didn't have these other external factors.
I always worried.
So when we started thisnonprofit and podcast, our
target was Gen Z and anyonebehind them, and last night on
the airplane I was telling a newfriend I was like hey, like you
know, we had a goal of makingsure that mental health was, or
to better folks' mental health,right.
But it won't help us when we'restarting to do things if we're
(11:20):
just going after folks that canrelate to us or folks that are
50 plus.
Even right, 30 to 50 year oldsare already in therapy maybe, or
they're already having thesediscussions with their friends
and families and loved ones.
And so I was like it's socritical that we aim that way.
Behind us, your son, 61% of thefolks are 13 to 26.
(11:43):
And I think that's so importantfor us to think about.
Like, okay, we're, how old areyou now?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Tomorrow I'm going to be 38.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh, happy early, yeah , getting old.
So I'm 20, I'm 10, 10 yearsbehind you and even if you think
about where our intellect isand where our minds are, you
know, and sometimes healthy andtoxic, right.
We, you know, and sometimeshealthy and toxic, right.
We're still going through a lotlike we have to think day to
day.
How are we kind of betteringthat?
But if we have this podcast,like you do or like mine, or you
have a child, or I have folksthat kevin and I are speaking to
(12:13):
at events, it is important tokind of make sure that the
people in generations coming upare listening to folks like us,
who've kind of been through liferight without the tablets and
phones back and you know, whenwe were born right.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So let me ask you this now.
I feel like, more than ever, weare more conscious of mental
health and, at the same time,with the generations behind us,
I feel like they struggle themost, again with social media.
But do we see that mentalhealth is getting better or
(12:48):
worse?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, they always said it started with awareness
and talking about it.
That's where everybody shouldstart.
But as you start going kind ofdown what I call a spiral, right
.
Because in your mind is whereyou keep your thoughts, and
until they're down on paper.
On a podcast like this, I havea client that writes music
(13:10):
instead, you know, instead ofjournaling, like find the outlet
.
So it's like, yes,self-awareness is number one,
number two is is is like lettingyour words out, like I met
someone that was deaf yesterday.
Clearly he can't do what we'redoing.
Yeah, in the same way, right,so there's, you gotta find that
outlet that makes sense for youto kind of take what's in your
mind and put it on, like put itout there, right, um, and if
you're like sean booth, it'stricky actually.
(13:31):
So we're in the business atthis point, right, you launch an
organization.
We're showing up to events likeHollywood in Mind in LA, my
clients are all checked intorehab and therapy.
Sometimes I've been to therapyforever.
You've probably tried it anddone it.
So it's less about whateverybody's doing, about it,
right, because that's like thework is the work.
(13:53):
It's as if you're saying, hey,we want to defeat breast cancer,
okay, awareness campaigns,organizations, galas.
Same thing happens in themental health industry.
The same framework is there,but mental health is such a
personal thing.
So it's like taking an episode,like what we're doing right now
to help drive awareness, maybeeven help inspire some folks to
go check in on themselves andthings that we'll get to here in
(14:15):
a sec.
But then, beyond that, it's likenow it's your turn listener,
reader, subscriber, attendee atthe event it is your turn.
You chose to show up and listen.
You chose to show up and learn.
Now you take that informationand you kind of download it how
you need to, because no one's inthe same place.
(14:36):
So it's a hard question toanswer.
Is it booming?
Yeah sure.
Is it talked about?
Yeah, sure.
Beyond that, it's actually sucha personal thing that you're
better off talking to your wifeand your kid at home and finding
the right resources and toolsthere in that home.
Then you come into the studio,do in the booth and you're the
healthiest, happiest, amazingperson.
When you're turning 38 tomorrow, you know, as opposed to oh,
(14:58):
what am I supposed to be doingThen?
I want to help everyone elseBecause it's like a lot of that
external action you can take,you believe it or not, it's not
going to serve you on the inside, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So I feel like a lot of people probably have trouble
with checking in with themselvesand realizing what is affecting
them and their mental health.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And it's a hard pill to swallow.
Sorry, it's a hard thing tolook at and to swallow Right.
You know, uh, if you've watchedthe documentary on quiet on set,
drake Bell and I became reallygood friends a couple of years
ago.
So I've been on that entirejourney.
I call it a rabbit hole,honestly, like a spiral with him
.
But him and I've talked everysingle day about the same thing
His, what he needs to look atfor his mental health, given his
(15:38):
like his.
You know what has happened tohim and the experience of being
a childhood star that's sodifferent than mine, but both of
us have agreed.
You know, I'm a little 28 yearold kid that just happens to be
his friend.
And then you have Drake, bellright, bell right.
And so for drake, it's like,okay, public eye, you've been
shamed.
No one freaking was sayinganything good about you two
years ago.
Now everyone loves you orwhatever.
So you take that.
(15:58):
And it's the same way that Iwould look in the mirror and say
, oh my god, I gotta work onthis.
That happened.
Oh god, I gotta go make goodwith that person.
Remember that one.
And then you get sure you knowwhat I'm saying.
Like everything is up here.
Yeah, to each individual, butif you can, uh, find it's really
courage.
You know what I.
But if you can find, it'sreally courage you know what I
mean, if you can find thecourage and just say you know
what?
Let me stare at myself in themirror.
(16:19):
Yeah, what the hell are we doing?
Yeah, you're 38 tomorrow.
You have a family, second gym'sopening up.
There's a lot of stuffhappening in your world.
You know, didn't have to bethat way.
You know, some people,depending on what you believe in
, you know where yourspirituality lies, your
religious beliefs and whatever,you can always say the same that
(16:40):
a lot of folks will agree on,which is a lot of this is meant
to be.
And, as colloquial as it maysound, you know things happen
for a reason and they do.
But it's up to you to kind oftake action on what feels
instinctually right for you,based on where you're at in your
life.
Right, you know, and then youcould do those check-ins as you
need to.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm a big believer that everything
happens for a reason.
It's just realizing thosereasons and taking action.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right, and it's us thinking and talking about it
right now.
It's like you can talk aboutthis stuff forever.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know what I mean.
Like every day, it's like wecould be anywhere.
We were in LA last week andsomeone was like, hey, like just
want to talk to you about thatpodcast episode we listened to.
I was like, oh yeah, of course,of course To.
An hour later, you know, ofcourse, in the middle of it, I
was like let's kind of drinkwhile talking about this stuff.
You know what I mean.
So, and we're all humans, wehave to coexist with each other.
They always say, like lonelinesssyndrome is at its highest
right, like where are we as asociety when it comes to mental
(17:32):
health?
A lot of people are lonely.
I'll pull stats and stuff later, but it's like I remember
trying to think to myself let'scombat loneliness while building
community and allowing everyoneto actually focus on themselves
while still existing witheveryone else.
And the only way to really dothat, if you think about it,
sean, is like what you'vecreated.
You have a huge community inNashville, right?
But you were smart to think,okay, well, I'm going to be
(17:54):
based there anyway.
And so your gym, right, boothcamp, and you have all these
other things about your platformthat could be existing anywhere
in the world, but you have agym here.
Everyone knows that that's acommunal spot for them, right,
you know, I'm sure you've doneall these run clubs, I've seen
all of it, and it buildscommunity.
And what you did really like,almost on the uh, hit the nail
(18:14):
on the head was you incorporated, um, a really specific strategy
to then put fitness in it.
Right, cause exercise is one ofthe top things that folks need
to survive a better mentalhealth journey.
So then you've kind of, youknow, morphed all that together
in one.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, exactly, and I always say too it's, it's the
community that brings peoplethere, and keeps people there.
Like everybody can work out.
Obviously the workouts are, wethink, the best and we have the
best coaches, but at the end ofthe day it's getting together
with your friends, gettingtogether with people that are
going to push you, and justhaving that sense of community,
especially as you get older andyou're working nine to five jobs
(18:52):
and you don't meet that manypeople.
But you can always go down tothe gym and hang out with your
friends for an hour.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And what happens beyond that's up to the person.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And it's interesting too that you say that now it's.
You know, there's studiesshowing how lonely people are in
the world.
That's the most connected it'sever been.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So again, that goes back to yeah, devices, I think,
yeah, devices Social media,because, remember, MySpace, like
you'd have to get home, right,You'd have to get home on the
computer, log in, make sure yourparents weren't behind you
because you can look.
You know what I'm saying.
Then you go to the little chatsection with your friends or go
to the timeline or whateverthey're called, like the.
You know where you can like,post and comment.
And then we get to Facebook,now meta Twitter, now X, and
(19:31):
like whatever.
And when social media went fromyour MySpace Facebook on the
desktop to the phone?
It's no longer Always connected.
Yeah, and I tell folks, one bigthing you can do right now for
your mental health is to takethat phone and turn all your
notifications off and then makesure in your brain you start
(19:52):
practicing the good habit ofchecking it when you know you
need to be on it.
Right, you know what I mean.
Or else you're always going tobe pinged, vibrated or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
mean, and it's always there and it's nonstop and
people are like, oh, I turn itoff at 10.
There's always different habitsyou can have with your cell
phone.
You said it earlier.
It's like the dopamine hitexists and that's one of the
four happiness hormones.
Right, you have serotonin,oxytocin, dopamine and
endorphins.
You handle endorphins at thegym.
Dopamine, it sounds like, comesfrom the phone and all these
other areas too, or maybe coffeeand stuff like that.
(20:22):
Serotonin is the best one.
I will say this until the day Idie.
Serotonin is where you're kindof at a standstill, pumping the
endorphins.
Right, you're getting it andbefore you know it you don't
realize your mind actually needsto pause and so I'd go in there
.
I'm like, all right, let melike hit the like a 30 at a 15.
(20:44):
Right, for those who don't know, it's like you're walking at an
incline on a treadmill tryingto burn some fat and get warmed
up, and I was like, all right,let's hit some weights, whatever
, whatever.
And then I always end a workoutlaying down.
I don't care how long it takes,but my mind I then have to like
practice where it's at and likeslow it down, see what thoughts
come through.
And then in the sauna.
Same thing 15 minutes, right.
So that's just a simple fitnesshack that has allowed me to
(21:06):
start these morningsintentionally.
No phone exists.
You know, phones usually on thePeloton hook or whatever.
No notifications are on thatphone, so it's until 10-ish,
maybe 9.30, until today.
Well, it's obviously Sean and Iwere texting this morning, but
you know, most mornings I don'tthink about my phone.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
And you start that way.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right, and that's what I enjoy about getting up
early is that the world's kindof still sleeping?
So, those couple hours?
Yeah, what time are you ofstill sleeping those couple
hours?
Yeah, what time you getting up?
Is it 4 30?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
yeah, that's like 4 18, 4 20 is it a body clock
thing now where, yeah, the alarmis still just up?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
yeah, I can't really sleep in um.
But it's interesting though,because the last couple nights
I've just been laying in bedjust like thinking about
everything, like sometimes I'lljust yeah I'll get up.
I'll fall asleep quick and hard, and then I'll get up, and then
I'm just like laying there.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Does it feel like anxiety at that point?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, you start, you know, questioning everything.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Somebody said there's two things and I just want to
allude to.
When you talked with ToddAnderson, he actually have you
used any mouth tape in the yearspast?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So the way that you breathe in your sleep I think he
told you on this on yourepisode with him that's changed
my life, cause when you go tobed you're just doing that nasal
stuff.
Your body listens to that.
So I think there's a body mindconnection for all of us, and
I've done it.
I think the other day I woke upin the middle of my sleep, just
like you, and it's it's thethoughts that weren't out.
Imagine that.
(22:33):
Pretty simple, Like the theoryis pretty simple.
The thoughts that were not outof your mind are now affecting
your body, waking you up in themiddle of your sleep.
Your circadian rhythm, all thatstuff your deep sleep's
affecting you're screwed thenext day.
You know, and they say, sleep'salso one of the biggest things
that you have to focus on foryour mental health, and just
your overall health.
Of course, the reason I bringthat up is because I think that
a lot of folks aren't findingvices at the end of the night.
(22:57):
So number one, like, of course,turn your phone off an hour
before, not off, but put away.
If you have these otherthoughts, get a little notepad.
You know a buddy Patrick ofmine just has a notepad at his
table.
A little extreme.
But if you have all thesethoughts that you know tomorrow
you can handle.
You got to focus on gettingthat seven, eight hours first.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like the thoughtsjust come rushing in at once and
you can't sleep and it almostmakes you feel like okay, well,
like, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
What am I supposed to do with these thoughts?
I'm exhausted Cause yourbrain's not on Something I was
going to tell you today, was it?
I don't know about you.
It takes me an hour on average,maybe 45 minutes, hour and 15
to just wake up.
You know, people are like I'mnot a morning person.
No one's a morning person.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, you have to, because your brain's not on.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Exactly, and it's like how do you become a morning
person?
Of course it's learning to wakeup, like Sean at 4, you know,
418 or whatever, and or wheneveryour body naturally knows it's
going to wake up after getting agood night's sleep, but then,
literally practicing the art ofhow to wake up, it sets the
whole day, you know, and then,from a mental health standpoint,
(23:56):
nobody wants to wake up,feeling anxious.
What's the first thing peopledo when they wake up?
I'd argue that it's 90% of theworld, even people that are like
50, 60, 70 years old right now.
You know what I mean?
They're pulling their phone out, and it's a habitual thing.
So then you have to say, okay,let me wake up, stretch chill.
I always imagine I'm like oh,I'm laying on the clouds.
(24:17):
Sounds a little woo-woo, right,but I'm very spiritual these
days, hence the bracelets.
That's what LA does to peopleand I go.
You know what?
There is something so calmingabout waking up, hearing the
birds or the cicadas outside andthen eventually just going.
I ain, I don't fricking know.
(24:38):
Take a probiotic, go, get on thetoilet, whatever you need to do
rinse your mouth you know whatI mean and then get to the phone
.
It's all waiting for you anyway, exactly you know, and any
adult that you're working withor someone that wants your
attention.
I think there's a secret hereand you're probably good at it,
because I tried to get in touchwith you last month and I'm just
(24:59):
kidding, I'm not.
Hey, sean, let's you know,whatever.
So there's power to that.
From a business standpoint,there's a lot of power to that
right.
But on your personal mentalhealth front, you owe yourself
the power to say yeah, I'll getto that later.
Yeah, but don't be the dimwit,not you, but anyone listening.
Don't be the dimwit that's likeoh, I read your message, I
would get back to you later Isaw your email I forwarded to my
assistant.
Like that's like ego stuff.
(25:20):
Yeah, don't do that.
Yeah, be the person that says Ijust haven't texted anybody for
a week you know, my phone'sjust not been on me.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, oh yeah, everybody can uh call me out on
that too, because I don't knowif it's a good thing or a bad
thing, but I get so overwhelmedwith stuff I just have to like I
can't even like put my focus onit.
It's wild, nothing wrong withthat?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
yeah, because to go from real life to digital in a
snap of a second, it also takeswhat, on average, 15 minutes to
get back into focus mode, inwhich then you can only stay
focused for about 30 minutes ata time.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
But even that is something that I was stressing
out about too.
I feel like just this was twonights ago, like everything,
every thought worry I had wascoming to my mind, and that was
one thing.
Gosh, I feel like there's somany people I need to get back
to, there's so many things Ineed to stay on top of, and I
just feel like I got pulled inso many different directions
that it's so feels sounorganized.
And how do you stay organized?
I mean I, the one of the firstthings I do when I wake up is
(26:11):
I'll sit down and I'll I have ato-do list on my phone and I'll
just like prioritize the mostimportant things of the day.
But it's difficult for mebecause I have many different
kind of career paths and I meanthe gym is obviously the main
thing, but then I got thepodcast, do a little real estate
(26:32):
and and social media is a wholebig thing, and so it's just
like there's so many littlethings in different directions
where sometimes I'm like man, Ijust wish I just had one thing
Nine to five, but then if I hadthat.
I'd be like I'd be bored.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Grass is always greener, always.
Right so it always feels haveyou ever had a nine to five?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, and I didn't like it so, but I had my first
job out of college.
It was an insurance company,but I got to work from home,
make my own schedule, so I'venever really had like sit in one
place all day, so you're justused to it at this point.
Yeah, and now I've been doingmy own thing and creating my own
income for almost 10 years,right, so, which also adds
(27:16):
pressure and a lot of stress,right where you know, now that I
have a family, it adds morestress.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
so you ever take moments to just not think about
any of it.
That's also powerful for yourmind.
I know I try to.
It's always going always yep.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
But I will say, with locks I do.
I'm able to just hang out andrelax with him because I just
look at him, I hold him and it'srelaxing and it's relaxing and
it's like nothing and yeah, andI try to just exist with him.
And then it also puts thingsinto perspective.
I'm like, screw all that otherstuff right now.
(27:52):
That's not important.
Like none of that is important.
This is what's important.
Like what if I am not heretomorrow?
or next week does it matter,know?
Does the gym really matterright now or the time that
you're going to miss with yourson?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So I'm happy for you.
There's a lot of dads thatcan't have that perspective and
just the intention to find thatremedy in your child.
Because one thing I learned Ithink I told you this, but we I
think in 2020, I started thatmen's mental health podcast and
for a long time I was like I'mjust going to focus on that.
It was the one thing for a longtime, and the common thread
with a lot of the guests thatwere dads, celebrities, whoever
(28:27):
literally was that theirrelationship to their kid or
their children or their you know, now adult children.
The common thread was like, hey, you know, that's my life,
that's why I do all of this.
So when you have that child, itchanges things.
You know, and and and.
But on the other side of it,too, I've had I've actually not
to get morbid and dark, butthat's just like where I'm
living these days.
(28:48):
I'm just kidding.
Uh, I've had two friends thatwere dads that committed suicide
, and so just I.
And so when I meet people, I'mlike, yeah, like you just never
know what's going on, rightbehind the scenes and I would
argue that, like my two friendsyou know, now gone, it's like it
got to a point where it was.
I probably wasn't about thekids, you know.
I'm saying I think it was work,I think it was wife, husband,
(29:10):
one was you know, one was gayand I was like something ain't
right and it was lack of umopening up, right, that's what
it was.
Neither of them were in therapy.
Yeah, they were hard asses.
You know what I'm saying andI'm not saying that's what it
was.
Neither of them were in therapy, they were hard asses.
You know what I'm saying andI'm not saying that's how it's
for most men.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's common For guys who create, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So when you say that you know your son, you're able
to kind of like actually relax.
Good, because some dadsespecially dads listening to
this or wives listening to thisnow like moms, you know the kid
becomes an added stress, so youhave to be careful of that,
depending on how you navigatethat.
A kid is a beautiful thing butmany, many people are in
different situations, just likewith all of us with our mental
(29:48):
health.
They're getting, they feel andreact different to the child.
You know what I mean and we'veheard the stories.
Listen.
Everybody has a differentchildhood upbringing.
You have a very healthyrelationship with your family
and your kids, so that's great.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, and that's something too.
I've always thought about that,even just watching movies,
growing up, like hook, forexample, with Robin Williams,
and it was like the whole plotwas the kid never saw his dad.
His dad was always busy and hisand he'd be super upset because
the dad couldn't make it to thebaseball game.
Right, and I was always like Inever want to be that and I
(30:24):
always, for some reason, thoughtthat.
So I've always wanted to be adad and now, even if there's
things that might start to getme annoyed, it'll like I'll shut
that off immediately.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like I, I don't get stressed out about it, um, so
then the your yeah, and thenyou're challenged to yourself.
Now is taking that energy andthat thought process?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
into your work life?
I think that's yeah, and thework, because you mentioned
you're, like stress, anxious toalleviate.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
All of that is to find what you see in him in your
work yeah, that's easy.
You literally own yourbusinesses.
Yeah, tell me this real quick.
And this is the only business,the hardest thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I feel like I'm like it is so hard if you have to
deal with you know I get there'sdifferent types of businesses,
or maybe you work for yourselfand that's all you have.
But if you have employees andit is extremely difficult.
I've been through the ups, thehighest of highs, lowest of lows
in six years of the gym andit's just it wears on you, wears
(31:20):
your responsibilities there andyou is there yeah, your
responsibilities are there.
You always want to, you know,keep everybody happy.
You feel like you let peopledown and it's like it's almost
like you want.
The community is such ablessing and a curse because
it's so strong, but then ifanything happens within it,
(31:42):
you're affected by it more.
Or if, uh, somebody leaves,then it like really hurts.
Or if you lose a coach or youknow what I'm saying like it's
because you kick, I care so muchand it's hard not to be
personal and it's hard not to bepersonal, um, so that was
always a struggle the first fewyears.
(32:02):
I'm starting to try and getbetter with that.
But yeah, I mean, owning abusiness is tough.
The people are the hardest part, right 100%.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You know, I left NBC three years ago and I've been a
solo business owner since.
Yeah, so I couldn't do what youdo.
But I will tell you this youwent from being like a
star-studded personality afteryou launched out.
When was that show?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
2016 15 after corporate right yeah during the
business launch no, no, so Ilaunched a business right after
that right after it see.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, so to come out as a personality.
You're so smart to leverageright, leverage all the
excitement right and then hey,come to nashville.
And then non-stop sense rightso I think, it'll be really
unique to watch you open thesecond gym, yeah, watch your son
keep growing up, yeah, and seewhere you actually want to place
your, your energy.
It's a big thing.
It's a big energy is huge whenyou're working.
(33:01):
This is work for you, yeah youknow you're reading off the
intro, I was like damn, he'sbetter than me.
I usually just wear sweats andwhen I'm introducing people on a
podcast, I'm like hi, yeah,welcome that's one of my
favorite parts, the intros,everybody, um, but yeah it's uh
it's super difficult because Iam naturally an introvert.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Um, I keep a really close circle.
I'll open up once I get to knowyou.
I have a very difficult timewith trusting people Always have
.
So owning a business and thenhaving your name on it and then
trying to be outgoing and makeeverybody feel welcomed was
difficult.
So then Again, people would belike oh you standoffish.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
But I'm like no, I'm just shy, I'm just shy.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I would rather like I'll go into the back room and
hang out before my class mosttime, just like be by myself.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You have to charge up To charge up.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, mentally for sure, and then I'll come home
and I'm just like I don't wantto talk right now just because
I'm so drained.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Everyone will build their own perception of you,
regardless of how you act tothem in front of them, around
them, right even behind, like ifyou're not even around the
person.
You as a public figure at thispoint, yes, that's always a
thing.
Anyway, you know, if the showdidn't teach you that, then
clearly social media and havingthese people in your gym might
do that more.
Yeah, you hit on somethingreally interesting, which is
this idea of like introversion.
Right, so everybody talks aboutlike hey, what kind of
personality type are you?
Hey, I'm an introverted x-year.
I'm an extroverted yeah you justexplained all of that.
So, if you guys are listening,that's exactly what y'all
(34:33):
probably wanted to hear anyway.
Right, like you're helpingfolks, anyway, help like
understand who you are, to thenbuild, hopefully, just a
positive perception, havingopened up like this.
That's the power of, I think,mental health conversations
anyway.
But then now it gets to betranslated into your business
and maybe that just takes, likeyou know, focusing on the good
and, like you, knowing torecharge here and go home.
(34:54):
You don't feel like talking tobut you're following.
Like you.
Yeah, I'm the opposite.
You know, I have the recharge,the same way you do, right, but
I need to be doing backflips atyour gym and I need to be like
getting, I need to know everyonein the room.
Yeah, I do, right, you knowwhat I mean.
And it's not exhausting, it'scharging.
Yeah, you know, it charges meup, whereas for you it seems
like it kind of like drains youyeah, but your awareness is
(35:14):
excellent on that yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And then people be like, oh, he's got his favorites
.
Or even dre, she makes fun ofme.
She's like, oh, they're just,you know, the bc crew, or
they're the the ones that seanloves.
I'm like, no, those are justpeople I feel comfortable with.
So then I'll naturallygravitate towards them in a room
of people I've talked with andnatural human instinct.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think, we've lost.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We've lost empathy and compassion as a society.
So for someone to like tell youwhat someone else said, that's
whatever.
But for someone to likedeliberately say hey, I think
you're like, you have yourfavorites and I feel this way
they start getting personallyaffected by how you are.
They have to look a little moreinside.
Right, I'd never look at youhang out yeah, that's what I
think too.
I'm like do your thing.
I'm gonna go hang out thesepeople instead, but like it's
(35:59):
just gotten to a point where,like, if we can all be a little
bit more empathetic and practicethis idea of like empathy meets
compassion when you'reinteracting with human beings,
we're not going to have all thislike shit talking or taking
things personal or gettingdepressed about someone not
interacting with us or emailingus back or texting us back or
talking to us in person, and weshouldn't be taking things that
personal right, because it's notabout them, it's about you.
(36:22):
And if that's the case, let'slike, make sure that you look at
that person and, you know,project a little bit more of
that positive energy out to them, as opposed to just maybe why
you feel you tell me if I'mwrong, but this is just to
finish the thought on yourexample.
If the folks who are like, hey,like, let's say there's been
negative Nancy's around, yeah,right, that's draining, yeah,
(36:47):
should they come to you andapproach and say, hey, like
anything else, like, hey, it'sso good to see you, um, saw, you
do this the other day.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I loved it, just a good energy.
It's not going to drain youright.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So it's got to be a little bit more of the positive
yeah less of the negative stuffyeah, absolutely I agree.
I think uh people take thingstoo personal yeah, but, sean,
this is exactly what you and Iprobably have an issue with too,
so here's what I'm getting withthat yeah taking things
personal, especially in business, I think is one of the biggest
challenges we all have.
We all have it, yeah, you know,cause we're all human beings
(37:14):
and in a perfect world none ofus be working.
We all make the same amount ofmoney just living our lives.
You ever heard of the sevenblue zones of the world on
Netflix?
I forgot the name of the show.
I think it's called blue zones,something like that.
And um, there's, there's sevenplaces in the world.
I'll tell you.
One place is okinawa, japan.
That's all I remember from theshow, because I have adhd and so
I don't remember anything.
But it all came down to likethe.
(37:35):
The top things that thosecities, I guess within the
countries or even the countriesthemselves, have in common was
really just their lifestyle.
They laugh a lot.
There's no stress community.
You're close to your family andyour friends, right, you know?
even if you're in a relationship, they're usually part of the
bigger picture of your life, asopposed to that little friend.
(37:55):
You know I'm dating that oneperson and then you know we all
have that friend that dates thatperson and gets married and
then you never see him again.
Right, this idea that we areall overstimulated, taking
things personal from like socialmedia or even in your in booth
camp, at the fitness, fitnessclasses and stuff.
I think it comes down to likewhere are you?
(38:17):
Are you fulfilled?
Are you happy?
Are you comfortable?
Are you settled?
You know, are you grounded?
You know, and a lot of that'sbased on where your environment
is Not to say Nashville is not agreat place for that based on
where your environment is, notto say Nashville's not a great
place for that, right, but a lotof not one place was United
States based, because we'restill a young country figuring
it out.
But that Blue Zones on Netflixis something that proved that
it's all about your environmentand how you build your lifestyle
(38:37):
around pure joy and happinessand health.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Yeah, because even when I wasstressing out the other night,
I'm like I just want to movefamily to Montana or New
Hampshire and just live a simple, simple life.
But then I know as soon as I dothat I'm back on board.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
We said that earlier too.
Like what if we did go back tothe simple old days?
I mean, I think that's where Ifind peace.
I wear a black t-shirt everyfreaking day.
Yeah, had the same white sneakstill they get dirty, I'll
switch them out.
Yeah, you got to go that littlebit.
I don't like like, say, stevejobs way, but that simple,
minimalistic lifestyle andlearning backwards, you know,
like learning about what hasworked in the past, decades ago,
(39:20):
hey, when things were thatsimple and you know, yeah, how
did they live right.
And then incorporating that inyour, into your life now.
And you mentioned a lot like Idon't know your catalog.
I think it's like eightbusinesses and multiple brands,
probably right now.
But look at your catalog and go, you know what?
I don't need that?
Yeah, that can wait till nextyear.
The four later uh, method is isvery healthy yeah, I'll write
(39:43):
the book next year.
I'm sure you want to write abook, right?
so I do see, like you know likeor um, oh, the next kid now,
let's give it a couple yearsactually, so he can actually get
our love first.
And you know, I'm saying likeit's applicable to anything but
the four later strategies, likeand it helps your head, or not
your head, but your mind, yeah,it'll help you out.
Be like oh okay, because yourthoughts are going to come in
anyway.
Yeah, you know, and when yourthoughts come in, you're like
(40:06):
later, right.
Or ignore the thought to put itto the side.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I like that.
Well, I'm going to give you thefloor here for the next couple
of minutes because I got to getto.
Class here Starts in 14 minutesSpeaking of booth camp, but we
need to do another episode.
This is.
I feel like I could talk to youall day about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's actually how Sean and I met.
It's actually how Sean and Imet.
I think we sat down, we talkedabout your personal brand for a
bit, but how I've met you, alongwith a lot of our colleagues
and friends and partners, andnot just in Nashville, but
across this country.
This is how these start.
Just so anybody listening, it'snot like Sean and I are like
best friends, but we did havewe've hung out once and I've
watched you, but clearly likethere's a lot of noise with what
(40:45):
you do and what I do, and soit's always nice to like chill
out and have these types of likeconversations.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
No, I love these conversations, somebody said to
me the other day at the gym.
They're like I feel like you dopodcasting as therapy, like I
listened to your episodes and Ifeel like it's just like a
escape for you and it is.
I love doing them.
It's just again getting back tosimple life, having real,
genuine conversations, andthat's what I love the most.
So we're definitely gonna haveto do this again.
Then give me a couple of tipsand tricks for everybody
(41:12):
listening mental health, numberone.
You said you gotta check inwith yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah well, number one , let's call it number zero.
Actually, right, it's a lot ofawareness and before you can
check in and find what resourcesand tools that you need.
Resources and tools, by the way, is not like a technical thing.
Resources and tools is likefinding out what you need in
your mornings.
But, yeah, awareness, I thinkit's being self-aware.
It's looking, you're like allthe ugliness, let's call it for
(41:37):
what it is in the mirror andsaying you know what?
I just don't feel good.
Why don't I feel good?
Oh, I get anxious around people.
Do I have social anxiety, youknow?
Another example is, you know Iget angry when that person does
that thing.
Is that my childhood trauma?
Is that my daddy issues?
Right, like just being aware,and the more you start
practicing it, I call it's like.
It's like exercise.
Yeah, you know which I'll getto in two seconds.
It's like when you exercise,you're not going to be able to
(41:58):
power clean.
To what is it?
245 plates on the side, I don'teven do that stuff anymore.
but, like you know, you can'tpower clean a heavier weight
unless you're like going throughthe motions.
You got to go study up on it,call a trainer or a friend like
Sean, and right, you got tobuild the knowledge.
after you're aware, then you gointo like the tactics and stuff
you know and then, once you haveresources and tools, you start
(42:19):
practicing.
Literally, you can take itmetaphorically as a sport.
Mental health is a sport.
You know.
No-transcript said earlier youoverthink, I overthink, we all
(42:59):
overthink.
But those simple steps is likeself-awareness, getting clear on
your intentions of where yourmental health needs to be.
Tools and resources they'reeverywhere and they're free.
Therapy is not free.
I mean, I hate that, but youknow there's cheaper options.
And before even going totherapy, I'll be honest with you
(43:19):
.
You know, not every therapyI've had.
Like seven therapists wouldnever name any of them and I
didn't like some of them, notthat I didn't like them.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Sorry, we weren't a match.
Yeah, there's not the rightmatch.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, therapy is not always the answer.
So, yeah, those are the I meanto me, those are the biggest
things you know.
And then, once you start likemassaging the exercise of what
you need to be doing foryourself, like listening to the
right podcasts, going to theright people, having the right
open, honest conversations withyourself, your family and
friends, and then a professionalif you need it and if you're
really struggling we say thisall the time if you're like
(43:48):
every day you're depressed andyou can't get out of that hole,
come on, you gotta go actuallyfind professionals who can help
you get diagnosed with certainthings, give you actual
resources like some people haveto get on medication to come out
of that hole, and thenultimately, you gotta look, you
gotta almost get excited as well.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I'll say that about the journey, right, yeah, and
it's like you said, the journeynot always the destination.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, that's where the beauty lies, yeah to like to
get anxious about anxietyactually doubles your anxiety if
you think about it.
Or to get sad about yourdepression.
Right, how weird is that?
I know you're already feelingsad and upset about something.
To feel sad about it, what theheck heck you need to live in
this new I wanted to bring thisup to you too Like the state of
calmness, right and neutralitywhere you can say you know what?
(44:35):
I have an energy healer here inNashville and she was like one
to 10.
We went down the line.
My answer was five foreverything, not extreme on
either side.
Okay, so when you can live inthat I call it like a flowed
state and you can make decisionsbetter, you can find the
resources better, you can havethese conversations more clear,
(44:55):
and I think it's like livingthat, living in that like a flow
state.
And I read something recentlytoo.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It said like 85 to 90% of everything that you
stress about and worry aboutdoesn't end up happening.
So it's like you are wastingthat energy and that stress on
something that's never going tohappen.
So that's also something tothink about, and those are all
very good tips and tricks.
We appreciate it.
Like I said, we'll definitelyget you in for another episode.
(45:23):
We can talk about so much more.
Where can everybody find you?
Speaker 2 (45:27):
If you.
I mean, we have that podcast,luminosity, and the reason I
bring it up is our episodes.
I'll be honest with you,whether it's checking on your
loved ones, like what we didtoday, or friendship and ego we
talked about ego theconversations Kevin and I have
before we bring experts andcelebrities in it will actually
(45:51):
you'll find that there'sresources embedded in the
episode.
You know what?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I mean Like we're giving tools and tricks and
stats and figures on everything.
Um so luminosity of thatpodcast.
Um, yeah, awesome, check it out.
Thank you, justin, weappreciate it.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
And thank you.
I mean your listeners say thisall the time to you, but you,
you're vulnerable, you're honest, you're authentic and that's
that's a great host of a showlike this.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
appreciate that all right guys.
Team on three.
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