Hollywood. (w/ Johnathon Schaech)

This episode features the talented actor and screenwriter Johnathon Schaech, who burst onto the Hollywood scene at a young age and has since graced over 150 movies and shows since the 90s. Join us as he takes us behind the curtain of Hollywood, revealing his reasons for leaving LA to embrace life in Nashville, all while cherishing his role as a devoted family man.

In this candid conversation, Schaech shares the good, the bad, and the ugly of Hollywood, recounting his unforgettable experience working alongside Tom Hanks in the beloved film "That Thing You Do!". 

Delving into the documentary "Quiet on Set," which uncovers the the toxic culture of beloved children's shows from the 90s, Johnathon shares his journey as a survivor of sexual violence at the hands of a director. He opens up about the profound impact of the trauma he endured, and reflects on his path towards healing and resilience.

Prepare to be entertained as Schaech spills the tea on the worst actor he's worked with, drops names of movie stars he's dated (yes, including Madonna and Ellen Degeneres??), and even suggests a role for Shawn in the movies!

With insider stories and valuable advice for aspiring actors, Schaech offers a glimpse into the behind-the-scenes world of Hollywood and candidly discusses the highs and lows of an actor's journey. Join us for an engaging and insightful conversation with Johnathon Schaech! 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
In Canada.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yep, there we go.
Here we go Off to a good starttoday.
She is back in the studio withus.
She is sitting next to my son,lox Booth.
He's in the studio and todaySam Cat is wearing.
She's got Nike shoes on, she'sgot blue jeans, an Alan Jackson
t-shirt.
One of the GOATs, the GOATs.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Is it your favorite.
He's up there.
Top three, yeah, top three Of90s country, for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay, you heard it.
We got Jackson Cat in thebuilding.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hey-o, I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
And to my left today, a very special guest excited
for this conversation.
He's an actor and screenwriterwho exploded onto the Hollywood
scene at a very young age.
He's appeared in more than 150movies and TV shows.
He's the lead singer for theOneeders and the massive hit of
that Thing.
You Do a husband and a father.

(01:21):
He is Jonathan Scheck.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Heyo.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Welcome, welcome.
So you have probably seen itall in hollywood.
I think I have.
Yeah, yeah, I really do in the90s is when you started correct,
yeah, and then still goingstill going, but doing it in
nashville, tennessee, now yeah,when'd you leave?
2018 okay, yeah, and you werejust like I I'm done with
Hollywood, off to Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, there was.
There was a lot of reasons whywe wanted to move to Nashville.
The schools in LA wereproblematic for me.
Like every time I went there, Ifelt horrible about the schools
.
Yeah, and my son was about togo to school get, get into
elementary school.
Okay, he's dyslexic and I knewthat he needed learning services
or something of the nature oflike that would help him keep up

(02:09):
.
All right, and we thought,maybe Nashville you know, cause
Julie's from here and we cameout and we went to one school
and they, literally by the timewe left here, we're like would
Cameron like to come?
And I was like, yeah, I'm goingto have to buy a house.
Yeah, they said specialservices, they take care, they

(02:30):
really look after their students, no matter what way their brain
works.
Right, and I just loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So that's why we moved, and that's what we were
kind of talking about before was, once you have a kid, it's all
about them now, yeah, and youcan't be as selfish anymore,
right?
And you're saying that that'sthe greatest thing that's
happened to you, yep, and youhave two little ones, yep, one
boy, one girl.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I have a 10-year-old boy named Camden and a
three-year-old girl named LilyJo.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Okay, and we've got producer Alex in the building
today and he's having a kid onnext Thursday, so all the kids
in here, this is going to be ababysitter's club.
So a lot of people try to go toHollywood, try to make it big,
and most people aren'tsuccessful.

(03:20):
You've been able to do this,sustain this career, for 30
years now.
What do?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
you attribute that to Well, definitely persistence,
but also just faith.
I have faith.
I have faith in the spirit toguide me to wherever I need to
go as long as I.
One reason I moved to Nashvilleis because the unknown has
always been really good to me.
Like I left Maryland to go toLos Angeles while I was in

(03:54):
school, college, I took oneacting class, not like I knew
what I was doing, but I justthought, man, I still had a
better chance of doing that thanreading these textbooks.
I just went into the unknownand just found my way.
So the same way when Ken wantedto go to school, when my career
was kind of like muddy and itwas not going anywhere, I just

(04:16):
didn't like hearing the things Iwas hearing in Los Angeles
about where they're going to putme, what kind of roles I was
going to play, and I just went,decided that was it.
We're going to go into theunknown, take care of my family,
go into the unknown and seewhat's next.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, so you didn't have any dreams or aspirations
before college.
You kind of just took that oneclass.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
No way, I didn't even think that was possible.
I didn't even know what anactor really was that's wild
yeah.
And so when you say you thoughtthat they were kind of putting
you in one direction as a typeof role, yeah, they stopped
allowing me to play the diverseroles that I was always playing.
I really didn't even know.
I knew kind of like what my dadwas and my mom like what areas

(04:58):
they were from from Europe, butthen Hollywood kind of like
started to really like Icouldn't play anything.
That wasn't what I was, what Iwas, and I thought that acting
was really about stepping intosomeone else's shoes and
learning who they are.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Okay.
So then you made the move outthere and explain the process of
landing a role with the show ora movie.
You got to obviously find ateam that can apply for you.
You need some representation,correct, right.
And then you just get castingcalls obviously got to be very
political of who gets to come.

(05:36):
Uh, I'm assuming that directorsprobably have people that they
already know are going to getthe role.
So a lot of inside stuff goingon.
But you just show up and is itlike the movies you watch where
you got like a line of peoplewaiting to go read a few lines
and that's it.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
It's everything.
So the director or theproducers, everyone kind of has
people that they think would beright for the role and they
bring them in or they make anoffer if they can convince the
other people that this person'sright.
But most in the beginning of mycareer, the first thing that I
ever did as an actor my roommatecame home I had two roommates
who were actors and he came homeand goes Jonathan, you're

(06:16):
perfect for this role.
It's an open call.
It's a Franco Zeffirelli movie.
You got to go out for thismovie and I I talked to my
acting coach and I was like youknow, we, we agreed I wouldn't
go out until I was ready.
He goes, you're ready.
And so I went to the auditionand brought, I did, had two
monologues prepared.
That was the thing back in okay, 1990.

(06:37):
You would have monologues and Idid like biff from uh, death of
a salesman and did thesemonologues and I went back and
back and back and then theyeventually flew out of all of
the thousand people that theyauditioned for that role.
They flew me and my roommate toRome and Chin to Chita.
For the screen test.

(06:59):
So that was one way.
And then the other way is, youknow, your agency calls you up
and says there's an audition forthis.
They give you your sides thatyou have to prepare, or just a
meeting sometimes, and sometimesyou'll have people who are just
meeting.
Some people are reading andthen everyone kind of like sees
what's in the mix, what fits.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, and I'm assuming the same guys that
you're seeing at these auditions.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Always yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, okay, and Sam Cat is probably the same as me,
huge fan of that Thing you DoOne of our favorite movies
growing up.
If you haven't seen the movie,you should.
Tom Hanks movie, you should seethe movie.
Jonathan's the lead singer forthat group, the Wonders.
Is that a role that kind ofchanged your career in a

(07:42):
direction that kind of shot youup there?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah.
So I had done a film I had inthe can In other words it hadn't
come out yet called how to makean American quilt with Winona
Ryder.
Spielberg produced it.
It was with Maya Angelou, likeEllen Burstein, there was all
these really big actresses.
It was a very eclectic film.
And I came out of the pool buffand had this scene with Winona

(08:10):
Ryder.
That people, just I just wentoff the charts from that and Tom
knew the hype that was up aboutme in that film.
And so when I came in and readbecause I went in with a billion
people, that's when I wassmoking I probably smoked a pack
of cigarettes just because Iwas so nervous and I won that
role.
I won that role today and I'llnever forget when I did that, I

(08:32):
literally I went in the room.
Tom Hanks was there, there wasa reader, another one, someone
who was reading the scenes withme and I had to do the scene
where I quit.
At the end the words were Iquit, I quit and he leaves the
room.
So I thought he's a singer, hewouldn't just quit.
He's angry, he's like he's arebel, he's a punk.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So I pretend like there was a microphone in the
room and I went, I quit, I quitand I looked at the guy I was
reading with and go, I quit, mrWhite, and I looked at Tom Hanks
and then I walked out of theroom and that was it.
No, Tom Hanks, come runningafter me, say get back in here,
kid.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's awesome and I was like yeah, I did it I won.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
No one's going to beat that.
Sorry, I'm just having like alittle bit of an out of body
experience.
I, I, sean and I have, I meanI've known Sean for years but
we've joked about just I don'tknow.
It comes up very, I feel, likepretty quickly in friendships,
just like what are your favoritesongs, movies or whatever?
Um, since I was a child, Idon't mean to brag, but we had a
VHS player in the back of ourminivan and we had that thing

(09:44):
you do, and we had that thingyou do and we had Rush Hour 2.
And those are the only two VHSsin the Honda Odyssey.
So to every gymnastics meet andto every hockey game that my
parents shuttled us around to,we watched that thing you do.
So it's just funny to hear abehind the scenes clip, because
I know exactly what scene you'retalking about.
I remember what your characterwas wearing, which is now like

(10:05):
you.
I'm putting this together and Icould probably quote.
I could probably run lines withyou now, this many years later,
with that, and it's just a.
I don't know, my frontal lobeis melting right now, but I love
the behind the scenesinformation.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's the best.
I bought the CD just for thatsong.
Do you get royalty from?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
that.
No, because it's not me singingin that, it's Mike Viola's
voice.
So the one thing they told mewhen I got the part, they were
like listen, this whole movierevolves around this song, so
we're having people write it.
We found a couple and we'regoing to let everyone listen to
it, but you're not going to singthe song.
We need a professional singer.
We're going to let everyonelisten to it, but you're not

(10:46):
going to sing the song.
We need a professional singer.
We're going to make you looklike you sing it, play it.
And at the point when we firstwent in there, I couldn't play
the guitar.
By the time we started filming,I could play the guitar and I
could sing but they weren'tgoing to bank the whole thing on
me.
So that was when AdamSchlesinger wrote it.
He's a genius songwriter.
He's written many beautifulthings.

(11:07):
People has huge fan base, bigwriter.
He passed away during COVID.
It was horrible, yeah.
So that's a couple of thingsabout that thing you do.
When I was planning on movinghere to Nashville, tennessee,
one of the people I was talkingto was Steve Zahn.
He lives in Kentucky.
I was like, why does Steve Zahnlive in Kentucky?
So I was like Steve, why do youlive in Kentucky?
He goes, why do you live in LosAngeles?

(11:27):
What are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
You'll never make it in that town.
That's wild.
And how was working with LivTyler?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh, she was wonderful .
She's so sweet, so kind.
Yeah, she just did all thosemusic videos.
You remember that?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, that's.
I didn't see any film that shehad done prior, but soon as she
was there she's so sweet, andthen I had to break up with her.
So in the in the one scene, inthe one scene when he's he, he,
like we were on the recordingand they, they said that he was
engaged, and then I had to breakup with her.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
So I'll tell you another behind Should engaged
and then I had to break up withher.
So I'll tell you another behindshould have dumped you in
pittsburgh.
Yeah, that's what you said.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
So that scene when she's saying I've wasted a
million kisses, I asked the propguys to give me strings so I
could string my guitar, she'stelling me because I thought you
know the reason why jimmy'sthis way is because he's worried
about his music and he'sworried about being taken
seriously as an artist.
And so I'm stringing the guitar, I'm stringing the guitar and

(12:30):
I'll never forget Tom.
Tom has directed it.
So he kept coming in there andwatching me when the scenes and
he was watching Liv and he'swatching the scene, he would
film Liv.
And then he was when he did thiscloseup of me and then he was
like he kept me doing it overand over again and I'm like
stringing my guitar, and finallycomes in and he looks at me and
goes it's about your guitar,right.

(12:51):
And I'm like yeah.
And so he he tells talk toFujimoto, you know, get a shot
of him in this guitar.
And that's like that was thegreatest honor I I think I've
ever had from a director.
Like watch me, I'm doing mypart, I'm telling you the story.
And so Tom filmed that part.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
So that was a little behind the scenes I love that,
and so how deep do you go intoprep for these roles?
So for something like that, isit something that you are
practicing when you go home?
You're trying to get in thatmindset every day, everything.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
We practiced from the time we woke up to the time we
went to bed.
It was with the guys.
Everyone was in a littledifferent rooms playing guitar.
They hired great instructors.
They took great care of us,obviously, and, um, we just
started the bond as a band, um,so much so that we, for the
table read at Sony, we played.
Now, they had the playbackgoing for us, but we get up

(13:48):
there on stage and just blewthem away and that was the band,
that was the Oneeders, theWonders, the Shrimp Shack.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters, hell
yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I see on social media you guys still keep up
with one another and you doevents.
Yeah, the band.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yes, we've never off.
This is really interesting.
The four of us have never allbeen together since we did the
promotional tour, because we didtour Japan.
We played in Japan.
It was pretty awesome.
Yeah, the band we toured inJapan.
But yeah, since since then wehave never all got together.
Now we were supposed to, forour 25th anniversary, the eerie

(14:30):
seawolves play.
Uh, they changed their namefrom the eerie seawolves to the
eerie wonders for one day,because the band was uh original
, originated from uh eeriepennsy, and so they changed the
hats, the logos.
We went up there but EthanEmbry couldn't go because of
COVID, so there was only threeof us and we signed autographs.

(14:54):
For about eight hours there wasa line around the stadium for
us to sign autographs.
It was pretty amazing.
I bet A rabid fan and then theyplayed the movie after the game,
that's awesome.
Yeah, we threw out the firstpitch, that's so cool Dang I
wish I would have been there.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, it was so much fun.
I mean, obviously thischaracter was 30, I don't even
know 30 plus years ago.
So for someone like me it'skind of like stuck in time.
Is it a weird thing?
Oh, lassie walks Is time.
Is it a weird thing?
Oh, lessey Locks.
Is it a weird thing to meetfans down the road?
Is it ever annoying to be kindof stuck in that character in

(15:33):
some people's minds, or is italways cool to meet people who
have seen your work in pastdecades?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Well, it's a great film, so I'm really grateful to
be part of such a great film,but it's Tom Hanks.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
And.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I'm grateful to be part of Tom hanks because that
man is incredible in every,every way I've ever could you
could ever imagine.
So he comes out here innashville and I get to see him
more than ever.
We've gone to, we've gone.
He's come out to franklin tohave lunch with me a couple
times and, like some of theplaces that we went to, I was
like if they knew what it isthey don don't know, they just

(16:04):
don't realize it.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like how can you not have Tom?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Hanks, One time we went, we went, went into a
what's it called the good cup.
You ever been to the good cupand we got there late and I
drove my truck and we jumped outof the truck and I was and I
was like, oh man, we just missedit, we.
Oh my, he, he goes.
We will open for you, sir, andopen it for tom.

(16:27):
Tom went in there bought abunch of the stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It was really amazing .
That's wild.
Yeah, so that's a movie thatyou're super proud of.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah so I'm proud of it.
But I was the jerk.
I did have a kid kick me onetime oh, wow like it's a movie.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's a role I was gonna say doesn't that kind of
give you a good feeling, thoughthat means you did your job
correctly?
Yeah, you were the jerk, butbut I mean you're not in real
life, so props to you.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, he, he, he was just very serious about his work
.
He was an artist.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, I got a two part question for you.
Is there a movie that you lookat and the role you think you'd
be perfect for, I don't know,say Titanic, and you're like,
ooh, a Titanic.
And you're like, oh, I couldhave been that.
Is there a movie out therewhere you wish you were that
role?
Yeah, wolverine, okay.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
That's a good one.
Yeah, man, I wanted to beWolverine more than anything.
Yeah, I punched therefrigerator.
I don't know why I had a cast onmy hand and I went into the
meeting with Bryan Singer andthere's something about Bryan
Singer that he was reallyworried about this cast.
Like what, why did you?
Why did you hit a refrigerator?

(17:28):
Um, and yeah, so he just hedidn't want me to hit him.
So and I wanted to hit him.
Like when I'm John Pencil onthe cast, he was like oh yeah,
like it's no big deal.
But he was like, ooh, he's gota cash, he's he could be a
problem, he's edgy.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And what about a role that you almost got, but then
again one that might keep you upat night?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, I don't know, but now that I'm a father, I
would have liked to been on theCSI franchise and I could have
been that guy.
Yeah, I did not do my duediligence.
I had done a pilot for a TVseries that I really want to do,
with a director named CarlFranklin, great director off the
charts with Marg Helgenberger,I think that's how you say her

(18:17):
name?
Do you know that?
Ringing bell Helgenberger, Ithink that's how you say her
name.
Do you know that, ringing bell?
And then she went on to CSI andthe people, the studio and
everything wanted me to move onto something because that pet
pilot thing had picked up.
But I didn't want to dotelevision anymore.
They didn't pick up the pilotthat I wanted.
So I was like, so I didn't workfor, like you know, six months
and I got some independent film,but I would have been rich if I

(18:38):
would have got CSI.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
And so got some independent film, but I would
have been rich if I were gonnasee his eye, and so that's part
of the hollywood thing, right,just ups and downs and ups and
downs.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
You know it's.
It literally is like this wheel.
It goes like this your careerwill be down, but you know what
it's gonna go back up every time.
For most actors I think that'sthe way it goes.
Like I tell my son like oh,you're gonna, your failure is a
big part of life.
And and you just you know he'slike yeah, you're going to learn
from your failures.
I'm like it's a great job,buddy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
But now you got a new show out, blue Ridge.
Yeah, lead man on that, tell usabout it.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, it's a procedural.
So something happens every weekand I'm the sheriff and I got
to figure out what happened.
And it's unique, unique every.
I wouldn't say like everyweek's a theme, but there's new
things every week.
There's just there's a regularcast um, but my character has to
.
A crime happens in town.
He's got to figure out whathappened.
Um, he's, he's there in thattown to be with his family

(19:32):
because they he went through adivorce with his wife and she
was gone for a couple of yearsand he went there to win her
back After making amends tohimself and getting.
When he wants her back, he'sbrokenhearted because he misses
her, misses his.
He's got a daughter, and sothat's the premise of the show.

(19:54):
Really, this whole thing isbuilt around this sheriff.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And how many seasons?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
We finished the first season last year just before
the strike.
There's six episodes coming outApril 7th on the Cowboy Way
channel, which is a streamingservice.
You can get it in like SlingRoku, different, what do they
call them?
Fast channels, right, yeah,where they run ads on there.
So it's like old schooltelevision, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Okay, give us some behind the scenes on the TV show
making process.
One episode, how long has thattaken?
Eight?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
days, okay, eight filming days.
So we have the weekends off,which has been great because I
film in Charlotte, northCarolina.
Never thought I'd get to saythis, but I get to fly home on
the weekends to see my family.
Right, I get to fly home on theweekends to see my family,

(20:51):
which is priority to them, notjust me which is awesome because
I have a three-year-old and a10-year-old and a wife I love.
So we film each episode andthey kind of overlap sometimes
because we have three sets inthe studio.
We use those sets all the time.
Um, so if we were there, maybewe'll take episode two and we'll
shoot one scene from episodethree, kind of stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Okay, yep, and is everybody kind of you're just
filming on one spot or otheractors, actresses on a different
set filming at the same time?
No, there's one crew.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
There's a a camera and B camera.
Okay, so there's two, twocamera crews, not all the time
but most of the time, okay, andMike, my DP, brent Christie is,
since he's awesome, yeah, moves,he kept, kept, gets it.
We move, move on.
Okay, cause usually you knowknow, filming is a grind.
You hear like, you hear likeconor mcgregor talking about um

(21:41):
roadhouse and how hard it was tobe 18 hours on the set, and
usually is it's ridiculous thetime that they pay you to wait,
really, oh, and then they'relike go you gotta learn how to
go but my television series.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
We're just a well-oiled machine, as they
would say okay yeah, even in myshort time on TV, those filming
days were like 18 hour days yeah, they were yeah from, yeah, sun
Up to Sundown.
So I can't imagine on TV showyou're just waiting around for
your time and then like go intoit yeah yeah, you think you can

(22:18):
be an actress, sam Cat.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Sure Listen.
I don't mean to brag, but I wasan extra on the show Nashville.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's where I knew you from.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yes, yes, yes, I was, you know, blonde girl number
four at the time because I waswearing a blazer at whatever
background shot it was.
You know what?
There was a time in my lifethat I did want to be an actress
and I actually auditioned forthat movie, stick it.
I was a gymnast growing up andthey were filming Originally
they were casting like actualgymnasts to make this movie and

(22:52):
then obviously that didn't workout, but it was quite an
experience.
I don't know that I would havelasted in that field.
I think that I've made the rightchoice, but I think it's cool
to hear I think for someone whoconsumes on like the audience
side, it's always fun to hearwhat the behind the scenes is

(23:12):
really like never been on 150 TVshows and movies.
There are a lot of things thatyou have to do that are not sexy
, like 18-hour days and hurry upand wait.
Hurry up and wait and be on,and I think it kind of might get
glamorized that it's like suchan easy lifestyle or it's just
like you breeze in, you record,you go home.
So it's nice to kind of hearthat everybody is still human

(23:34):
and it doesn't matter which roadyou chose for a profession.
There are positives andnegatives or strenuous times,
but it's just like I don't know.
It's kind of interesting tohear perspective.
I work in the music industry,which I feel like can kind of
mirror that, where people thinkit's always sex, drugs and rock
and roll and it turns out likeno, there is a lot of hurry up

(23:56):
and wait backstage as well, alot of being paid for your time
instead of maybe doing physicallabor or physical work at the
time, and it's just kind of likea I don't know like eye opening
and a reminder for those of usthat are out here that are just
quote unquote normal people thatdidn't make it as an actress,
that won't ever be the leadsinger of a band, type of thing
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Lox will.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And Lox agrees with me, hey buddy.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Passy time.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
He keeps spitting it out.
Sorry, he just really wanted toadd on to that Maybe.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Lox will be an actor.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Hey, we'll see, we'll put him in there.
He could be the Gerber baby.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
We got to get the incentives in Tennessee and make
it a lot easier.
Then you don't have to leavethere, we go.
Yeah, we'll get all that inplace.
Yeah, what I want?
To film everything here.
So there's enough actors intown now that we and people from
the industry that we we couldliterally build the industry
here, like, uh, landed, likegeorgia did a lot of people say
that nashville's becoming a minila.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
about that.
It's not anything like la, it'snever gonna be like la, yeah,
yeah.
So all the all this stuff thathollywood brings, that's not um
good.
I think we we could have allthe good things that hollywood
does have and I think it doeshave a lot of good things like.
I'm having this premiere on nexttuesday night, I'm gonna make
it a lot of fun for everyone to.
I'm having this premiere onnext Tuesday night.
I'm going to make it a lot offun for everyone to kind of put
the spotlight on my show, butalso the people here in
Nashville.
It's fun.
Yeah, you celebrate, you know.

(25:28):
Yeah, that was one good thingthat Hollywood would do.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
One good thing yeah, it's getting to more Hollywood
talk.
So, like Sam Cat was saying,you know it's a lot of sex,
drugs, rock and roll in thespotlight movie star dating
other movie stars yeah, let'stalk about that.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, I did, yeah, I did.
You can't help yourself, I knowyou can't.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Is it something where you get nervous about with your
kids?
Because I saw something whereyou said you had to explain oh
yeah, yeah, yeah To your son.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, because my son's starting to get to the age
where he starts askingquestions.
Yeah, so I just wanted him toknow.
You know it's okay to ask thosequestions and the narrative
that may be out there, like youknow, just make it the truth,
you know?
Yeah, I take responsibility onmy side.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Do you have?
I mean, obviously you're a bigfamily man.
Now what if your son came toyou and said I want to get into
this dad, I'd like to be anactor.
I want to move to Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
So I just did a film and they had a 10 year old.
I had a 10 year old son in itand he doesn't say anything.
So I was like, well, you know,know, I could have him down
there while I'm filming, it'd bea lot of fun.
Yeah and um, it didn't work outthat he, he got the role
because he actually cast anactor, an actor for that role.

(26:49):
Um, but, yeah, I do think II'll put him on there.
He's, he looks, he looks, he'sgood looking you know he's gonna
be good looking yeah.
So one thing I learned like yougot to figure out what you're
good at and being good lookingyou know it helps you in certain
areas.
It definitely helps you ifyou're an actor.
So he's got even better looksthan I had and that led me

(27:11):
pretty far in life.
So if that's what he wants todo, he'll do it right.
He's got someone who can helphim.
He'll have the same mentorslook up to that.
I did the work ethic that youtalked about.
When I worked with Tom Hanks, Ilearned how hard he works and
that the results of watching himperform are because he works so

(27:34):
hard on whatever he's doing.
He does all the research, hegoes bonkers on whatever he's
doing.
He's been doing it for so longwe forget.
But he's the guy who lose 35pounds for a roll and so yeah.
So I had that work ethic.
I bring it to my son and if heworks hard, comes easy, then it
comes easy.
If he wants to work harder andgets that part that makes a

(27:56):
difference, then good for him.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Right, and something huge right now the past couple
weeks the um documentary quieton set with nickelodeon.
Have you seen any of that?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
no, but I know about.
I was.
I was the chairman of the boardfor the child sexual assault
for the screen actor skill for ashort period of my life and I
was on on the board of RAINN andI was a board of a group called
SNAP Survivor Network.
So I've always been involved inthat.

(28:28):
So I heard all the storiesabout that.
I heard it from the survivorsand, yeah, that's one of the
horrors that Hollywood had.
They had this world that no onewas being held accountable and
stuff happened.
We saw it all from HarveyWeinstein to this and there's a
lot more stories out there and Iwould hope that if I hope that

(28:52):
that story helps other survivorsto reach out and find
themselves.
Because I was sexuallyassaulted in the very beginning
of my career by someone who haddone it over and over and over
again and if I had known Iwouldn't have allowed that to
happen, but I didn't know.
I just didn't even know thatexisted.
My dad didn't say when you'reworried about the director

(29:15):
coming on, didn't do that.
We didn't know that coming on,you know, didn't do that, we
didn't know that.
Um, so I I've heard a podcasttalk this morning about that uh
show and it's important forparents to to be able to talk to
their child, like in that thatthat story was the one actor,
the he was dating a girl and thegirl's mother was the one who

(29:38):
realized, like right, somethingwas really wrong.
Like that at the, the directoror the producer was acting
completely out of normality, andthat's how they uncover this
whole thing.
So I think it's important foruh anyone, if you do have a
child in the industry, not to bescared to death of everyone,
but to just never leave yourchild alone with an adult.

(29:59):
Yeah, and that's one thing Ilearned from working with all
those networks and, um, allthese be scared to death of
everyone, but to just neverleave your child alone with an
adult.
And that's one thing I learnedfrom working with all those
networks and all these survivorgroups is you'd never leave your
child alone with an adult.
There you cut it all off theboys, boy scouts.
They take kids out in themiddle of nowhere, right?
That's how they prayed on themRight Um church.
Uh, you know, come back hereand you know, serve your.

(30:22):
You know, whatever you know,that thing with the Catholic
church, so they were alwaysalone with the kids.
And that's a really good lessonfor people to say.
Just don't leave your alonewith a coach, and if you do,
just document the whole thingRight and don't think it's so
strange that you've got to beembarrassed, that you have to do
that.
Like that's life, like you takecare of your children, you know

(30:45):
.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Trust that gut instinct.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Because, more times than not, it's correct.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Since we got a little one in here.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Because when I was watching I haven't seen the
whole thing, but I was likewhere are all the parents here,
like what's going on?
Yeah, and you know, it's a lotabout the power dynamics even
with the parents, because theywant their child to work right,
but so they're really.
They give a little moreboundaries to these producers
and directors instead of justrealizing like there's morality
just you know you don't need, noneed to do that.
You don't need to let your kidgo to the amusement park with
this guy alone.
Yeah, just you don't do that.

(31:21):
Cory feldman always talkedabout you know he was a child
actor, so he was and, yeah, it'sprominent.
It was prominent in the younger, in the in the 80s, 90s.
It's still, you know, was stillin certain parts of, uh,
hollywood do that.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
if I mean now I feel like it is, I don't want to say
common, but it is way more wellknown, kind of like the secrets,
especially in just sextrafficking or underage
Hollywood like you're describing, do you think that it was just
there was so much thateventually that bubble was going

(32:01):
to burst and everybody was kindof kind of see these people for
who they were?
Or do you think it was socialmedia, that kind of you know
like fanned these problems, thatmade them bigger, made the fire
bigger.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
It was Rose McGowan.
I've been talking about HarveyWeinstein since it happened.
Yes, and she could never get avoice.
We learned from being on socialplatforms.
You have a voice, right, buther voice wasn't big enough.
You couldn't get above all thenaysayers right Then within.

(32:34):
I think it was a lot to do withDonald Trump becoming president
that's what she told me.
Lot to do with the uh, withdonald trump becoming president.
That's what she told me.
She said when donald trumpbecame president, it gave voice
to every, gave voice to theoppressed, because it was so out
there everything was out therethen, and so she said first time
I ever was heard on twitter.

(32:55):
and then it blossomed into thiswhole thing, with Harvey going
to jail, being in jail and beingheld accountable for what he's
done to his actresses all along.
So I do think that social mediareally made a difference.
You could say something now onthose platforms and you'll never
be heard, yeah.
And then the shame would coveryou up and you would never want

(33:18):
to speak out about it.
For some reason, during thatcourse of that time with Rose,
she spoke out and it was a chainreaction.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
And then everyone had maybe they had their own voice
and they, like the Me Toomovement, allowed everyone to
come together Like it wasn'tjust one voice, it was like
everyone was on the side going,yeah, we're going to expose this
, and that led to, uh, childtrafficking.
I mean, how many times have youheard about it over the course
of your life?
And I, I knew it was happening,but I never thought it was

(33:48):
happening like in my backyard,right, you know, and it is, you
know it's, and now it all kindof makes sense and uh, yeah, we,
we put a light on it.
But then again, so there was amovie that won the academy award
called spotlight.
It was about the cheat, thepriest um, molesting the

(34:10):
children in the catholic church.
It didn't stop.
Yeah, it won the academy awardand it didn't stop.
No one took, no one held themaccountable for what they did
mind-blowing, they just movedthe priest to the next parish
right, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Do you feel in your situation?
Do you feel a lot of anger andsaying that you know it was
known that this person wasabusing people?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
and that nobody warned you or nobody tried to
help or no, well, because I Iheard rose speak out and then
when I started doing researchand, like you know, bruce
robinson won academy award for,uh, some movie.

(34:58):
He and it happened to him andthe same director did what he
did to me, to him, and he he waslike drunk on a talk show and
that's how I found out.
So they, he was drinking hisproblems away, you know.
So I, I, I learned in my I'msober, so I learned in my
sobriety that you know I have totake that and give it over to a

(35:19):
higher power and work throughit.
And I did tons of EMDR and brainspotting to get past the trauma
, because trauma is like a timetraveler, it catches up with you
in time.
So when I was able to get, Iwas able to process it through.
So I'm not angry.
Franco is who he is and it'shis problem, it's not mine.

(35:41):
Yeah, you know he took it tohis grave and maybe he tried to
make amends.
He never tried to make amendswith me, but maybe he tried to
make amends to his higher power,right.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Congrats on sobriety, and I know that I'm sober too
for over a year and a half.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I love it, but, like you're saying, I feel like
with trauma, you start dealingwith it more when you become
sober because you used to justdrink it away.
That's the whole key, rightyeah?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
You stop numbing yourself yeah.
Then you start to look atyourself and you're able to get
through those things yeah.
And then you're free on theother side.
So that's where I am, I'm free,I'm not angry.
That's gotta be a good feelingit is, it's good for my children
too.
I get to be present with them.
Nothing better.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, how long is buddy?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
He's actually snoring over here.
Yeah, I mean he's kind ofcalmed down a little bit, but
for a bit he was snoring.
I don't know if you could hearhim over there or not, but he's
living his best life um yougotta talk about ellen degeneres
oh man because we went out todinner once and he told me this
story I'll try to see if I cando this.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
So I I did a stand-up routine.
I said, oh my god, what did Isay?
Um, which one of these blondeicons did I kiss?
A Madonna, b Ellen DeGeneres, cHeather Locklear, d Christina

(37:10):
Applegate or E all of the above?
E all of the above, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
It's not a bad list, it's funny, I'm not saying to
people I slept with.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I was married to Christina, I did a movie with
Heather.
I's not a bad list, it's funny.
I'm not like saying to people Islept with I was married to
Christina, I did a movie withHeather, I went on a date with
Madonna and I was EllenDeGeneres' beard.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
The beard.
Yeah, that's it, yeah, and forthose of you that don't know,
the beard and it was a legitkiss on the red carpet.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Never forget that.
How did?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
you get that role.
I was going to say, was therean audition for that as well, or
did you read lines?

Speaker 3 (37:55):
We had the same manager and we would go to this
place called Esalen up in BigSur.
So it was like this I justloved her, she's awesome.
And I could see like wow,that's a big deal, Like no
problem, I got you.
And you remember, did you seethe Grammys where Tracy Chapman
sang?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, that was awesome , that was the best.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I remember I was watching that and she started
singing and it hit me.
1990, in Ellen's living room,it was me and a bunch of
lesbians and this black girl gotup, grabbed her guitar and
started singing and it was TracyChapman.
She sang that song.

(38:37):
The entire room was just filledwith tears and joy.
And it was just the mostamazing thing we've ever heard.
Just sang it right in theliving room.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I texted you after Tracy Chapman played that night.
It's incredible, one of thegreatest songs of all time, I'd
say.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I also just think the resurgence of that song what,
30 years later?
I mean that was an iconicmoment for just pop culture in
general.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
And I mean that was an iconic moment for just pop
culture in general.
Yeah, and I mean it's not likeit's I think that I don't know
the numbers so please don'tquote me, but the amount of
streaming she got on the OG songfrom just that Grammy
performance was like X amount ofmillions more than she's had in
the last 10 years combined, orsomething like that and as it

(39:25):
should be.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, Very well earned.
That's the best.
That was iconic, Because you'relike how do you not know that
song?
Right To the Gen Zers Right.
You keep talking about, butthen they boost these very
deserving artists.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, they think Luke Combs did it.
I know that's crazy and I'mlike no, yeah, no, no no, but
even like the song from StrangerThings.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
But you know what it made me like him?
True.
And I was like oh, he's cool,he's an artist.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I do.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I want to start following that guy.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I love the like I said.
I mean I feel like I sometimesdive in and maybe get a little
jaded and I it is that LukeCombs opened the door for all of
these young kids to know whoTracy Chapman was, but at the
same time, vice versa, peoplewho didn't know who Luke Combs
was, or even, like Beyonce, putout a country album now and

(40:12):
everybody's kind of likecrisscrossing over.
I love, I think that's like oneof the coolest things about
being an artist or an actress orwhatever it may be the amount
of quote unquote power you haveto open the door and open
people's eyes and perspectivesand even their preferences.
Now, just like you said, oh,I'll be a fan of his now, and
all it was was one performanceon the Grammys that allowed that

(40:35):
to happen.
I mean, I don't want todiminish it, it wasn't all it
was, but you know what I mean.
I like that.
It's kind of just like whoknows, you can open doors and
windows in any direction withouteven, maybe even knowing how
much of an effect you're goingto have.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Part of the creative space.
I feel like it's infinite.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, and listening to him talk about how that song
was such a big part of his life.
Yeah, you know.
And then he records it.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
And what a moment for them.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
That was amazing.
That was awesome, wasn't it?
Even more so.
I was crying my eyes out.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I cry a lot.
I guess it takes things likethat to make me cry so kind of
on that same path, lukeobviously put Tracy on a
pedestal and that song meant alot to him.
I know you've mentioned TomHanks a handful of times here,
but is there anybody else thatyou worked with or worked for
that started out as maybe amentor, that's now a friend or
became a friend throughout theprocess, that you still idolize

(41:32):
in a way?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Well, tom is definitely the one, because he's
just, I consider him my goodfriend and he's just been, he's
been there no matter what.
But I got you know good buddiesthat I, artists, peers, they're
you know they.
You would think we would be upfor a competitive, but we are
tight, like they tell me what'sgoing on.

(41:56):
They're like, you know.
So, like Jeffrey Dean Morganand Frank Grillo, I mean, both
of them are just amazing humanbeings, amazing actors and
they're they fill me in whateverthey can.
You know we're always talkingabout family.
First, nick Gonzalez is a dearfriend of mine that actually

(42:17):
called me and told me I askedhim.
I was like I'm not, I don'thave an agent anymore.
I left Hollywood, I lefteveryone behind, you know, asked
him, I was like I, I'm not, Idon't have an agent anymore.
I left hollywood, I lefteveryone behind.
You know anyone that would?
That was looking for a leadingman.
I want to get back into being aleading man and he's the one to
set me up with gary wheeler,who's the producer of blue ridge
, and it was a tv movie that weshot that they turned into a

(42:39):
television series.
So I don't know how that reallyhappened, but it was all
because I asked my friend NickGonzalez for help and he got me
help, the right help.
I kind of found the spirit andmoved it right in line.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
With social media now , what direction do you think
Hollywood's going in?
Do you think it's as simple asyou know?
You see these people blow upovernight.
They get millions of followersjust doing skits on tick tock or
instagram a lot different thanwhat it used to be when you were
growing up.
If you wanted to get into thebusiness, you wanted to be a
big-time actor.
What's the route to go?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I think you got to study acting yeah, yeah,
actually no, and I actuallythink that.
I think that the key is to bethe best actor.
I think that the key is to bethe best actor possible.
That way you're checking allthe boxes.
So one thing I've realized nowthat my age, like I, have a

(43:36):
wealth of knowledge as an actor,just from doing it for so long
and studying it as hard as Ihave.
You know I play a tough like.
They talk about me being atough guy in this Blue Ridge.
I mean I'm not really a toughguy.
I'm not.
If something happens to myfamily, look out, you're in
trouble, yeah, but I'm not thatguy, but I play one on TV.
I'm an actor.
Same thing with that song.
I didn't sing that song, but Iplayed it because I'm an actor.

(43:59):
So I think that acting is theway to go for anyone to really
study acting.
Look at from different ways,study with different teachers
and to put yourself in front ofthat camera or on stage and
learn how to perform, becauseit's a performing art.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
What's like the number one tip as far as a
performing, the art of it, theart of acting.
If you were to do actingone-on-one, you're starting with
somebody who's never acted.
Is there a tip that you're likeyou need to do this?

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Well, it's the art of living.
So you need to learn how tolive your life.
So you need to learn yourself.
That's the first thing thatwould tell an actor.
And then there's things likeyou know, knowing what the
camera does as opposed toworking on stage with another
actor.
You need to learn how to listenand communicate and connect.

(44:50):
You need to know what you'regoing after, what's in the way
and how you're going to go getit.
So action over top of anobstacle to reach your goal,
those are the beginning steps.
Action over top of an obstacletowards your goal those are the
beginning steps.
Boleslavsky's first six stepsare concentration,

(45:12):
characterization, dramaticaction, rhythm and there's two
other ones.
But like all those thingscombined are really kind of like
once you kind of get thosethings and you can move anywhere
as an actor Interesting.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
There you go.
Booth, there we go.
Do you want to do?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
it, you could be an actor.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I think so Interesting.
There you go, booth, there wego.
Do you want to do it?
You could be an actor.
I think so.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
What role?
Well, you would probably be aromantic leading man, don't you
think?
Yeah?
You got a little Ryan Goslinggoing on over there.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, I could do a notebook.
Yeah, I love that guy Ifollowed.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
I started following nicholas sparks.
I'm like what's he gonna do?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
next notebook is awesome notebook was great walk
to remember.
That was a good one speaking ofcrying yeah, I know um people
say I look like the guy fromsweet home alabama too no, oh
yeah you already did this to me.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, lucas, yeah I guess anybody can be what they
want to be if they work hard atit, but From Sweet Home.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Alabama too.
No, oh yeah, you already didthis to me, josh Lucas.
Yeah, I guess anybody can bewhat they want to be if they
work hard at it.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
That's right.
Who was the worst actor you'veever been on set with?
The worst actor yeah, let's cutto the chase.
Give us now this is the realbehind the scenes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I'm blanking on her name.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Sure you are she's very famous.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
She's a supermodel.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
All right, blonde hair.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Black hair.
Black girl Tyra.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Banks.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
No, above Tyra Really .

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Naomi Campbell.
Naomi Campbell, wow, she hasquite a reputation that precedes
her.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I'll tell you the story because it's so much fun
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yes, I am ready.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I'm shooting this indie film that I it was 97, I
think, or something like thatand or 95, maybe it was before
that thing you do and it was anindependent feature.
They had some money and theycast her in this role and I'm on
set and I started learningabout filming Like you have to
film, you have to get things inthe can or the scenes in the

(47:07):
back are going to suffer, andwe're waiting for her on the set
, waiting for her on the set,and I can't remember it could
have been around two hours and Ihad to go.
I'll knock on her trailer doorand I went into the trailer and
said what's wrong?
Are you nervous?
Are you okay?
I'll take care of you out there.
And she's on the phone.

(47:29):
She goes Jonathan just came inand I go who?
And she goes Robert, I'm justscared to go out there.
And I said can I talk to him?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
It was.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Robert De Niro.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Could you?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
tell her to get this set.
We've been waiting for like twohours.
I'll take good care of her.
She'll be fine.
He's like who's talking?
It was Robert De Niro.
She called Robert De Niro.
She was so nervous and that'sthe only time I've really ever
talked to Robert De Niro.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Who's awesome?
Oh, he's awesome.
He's yeah, he's fantastic.
That's wild.
There's so many stories I'dlove to hear about Hollywood and
just the process, yeah, butsome of them.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I feel like I don't want to know, like ignorance is
bliss in some capacity.
But yeah, I mean it is fun tohear the dirty details.
Yeah, you want to know how theyreally are because, like you
said, I mean you step into acharacter that's not really who
they are.
You don't get to know them as aperson.
So, niamh campbell's different,though.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I mean everyone.
Everyone's going through thesame stuff that you're all going
through.
Yeah, they're just with peoplethat are famous.
Yeah, you know, like my storyof abuse is is a story with
really famous people in it.
Yeah, but it was.
But it's same pain, same shame.
Yeah, um, it's pretty much witheverything love like.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, I was in the front cover of people magazine
with my breakup it was it washard because I yeah exactly you
know it's brutal right yeah, buteveryone goes through the same
thing.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
They just don't have that pub, but then they do.
I've learned this, like becausetheir, their world of fame in
their town or their community isjust as equal.
Right, shame the pain, you know.
They have to live with it.
They have to live with theirneighbors, they have to live
with their family.
They have to live with thosepeople that are looking at them
because the breakup, whateverthe breakup was, whosever fault?

(49:30):
And then they start talkingabout it and the guys about it,
yeah, and, and they're in their,in their worlds.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Now yours and mine was like all over the place
right you know, but I think it'spretty much the same yeah yeah,
and that's something I learnedtoo, because when I had my quick
little uh fame thing there withall that stuff, I realized when
I got there and I was dealingwith all this stuff that it was
just the same stuff, just morepeople watching yeah it's true,

(49:57):
right, and so I felt kind ofweird like idolizing famous
people after that, you know it'sa weird thing, but it there is
a lot more energy behind it.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, like you have a lot of energy, so that there's
a reason why you have a lot ofenergy.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, you know yeah, interesting I have a question
that we might attraction.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I think the law of attraction applies to him.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Law of attraction?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, that's what the matchmaker said.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Don't forget, just manifest it.
It'll happen.
I have a question that we mightcut out, because this could be
the dumbest thing ever, but Ifeel like I just love getting
this perspective from anyonewho's acted in any capacity.
I love love and I want what Ifeel like.
I know what you're going to say.
Go ahead.
You probably do know what I'mgoing to say, because I feel

(50:48):
like it's a very genericquestion.
However, when you are so deepin the trenches and you're
playing a role that ispassionately in love with
someone, is it difficult torealize that that's not real?
Or do people really fall fortheir co-stars because it feels
like how can you sit there andsay all of these things to

(51:08):
someone and kiss them and hugthem and love them and they're
like scene, and then it's oh,nevermind, we're not actually
feeling these things.
Has there ever been any grayarea or blurred lines that makes
it difficult to do so?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
gray area or blurred lines that makes it difficult to
do so.
Well, I think that actingactually applies because there's
substitution, is a tool that anactor would use and you
substitute the individual that'sin the scene.
You put the qualities ofsomeone that you do love or that
someone that you long for.
You use the substitution, youuse the person as well.

(51:45):
It doesn't mean you have to actout on it afterwards to know
the boundaries within.
I call it magic time.
So when they say action to thetime that we cut, I try to
create magic in that time.
I used to do it with thecelluloid.
When the celluloid I think it'swhat it was celluloid, big term

(52:05):
, big word, all of a sudden,don't know what I'm talking
about.
But when it goes through theframe with film, that digital,
is a little different.
But when they used to sayaction, it was precious time.
We had to make this magichappen.
So I think that you can makethe magic and then you can go
home happen.

(52:26):
So I think that you can makethe magic and then you can go
home.
My co-star, sarah Lancaster, andI have this incredible
chemistry on camera.
It works, it tells the wholestory within a couple frames,
and she explained it to me.
She was like, well, you'rechasing people in the woods and
I'm back home, and then theycall me for my time.
I come in and everything getsreal still, and then we talk and

(52:48):
I was like, wow, I neverthought about it like that and I
have to.
So, but I don't have, you know,she's got a family here.
I have my family back home.
Sure, you know, we're just,we're good friends, we take care
of each other, we take care ofthe spirit of one another, we
keep each other at the highestlevel, but we don't cross over
that.
I think when you're younger,you may, yeah, and that may

(53:10):
happen, and people may not havethe conviction of themselves yet
, so they force that upon them,right?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
So that would happen.
So if someone doesn't have asense of that, they may think
that you need to punch someoneto actually actually hit them,
to make it look like a punch,and that's just not the way it
is in film it's all smoke andmirrors, so they would fall in
love with someone to yeah tomake themselves feel that yeah
that's what I'm gonna ask yeahbecause I I watch movies and

(53:41):
shows and you know, I'm likethat guy does not need to act
right now with that girl.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
He's loving every part of that.
He just gets an excuse rightnow that he's acting Like
there's got to be feelings andemotions there Because, again,
like we're just saying, we'reall human and we're all doing
the same things.
I always think, too, likethat's got to be really hard for
their wife or their husband athome.
They probably don't want towatch this because they're
watching their significant otherin love with somebody else on

(54:07):
TV.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
That's like the ultimate compartmentalization.
Yeah, it's just like this iswork.
This is our life.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
You're professionals like yourself and you got to
have obviously trust in yourrelationship and that's your job
.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
It's interesting.
So if I punch this really toughguy who's could kill, kill.
I did a movie one time with oneof the deadliest men in the
world and when he came after mein this in the scene I got
scared.
Yeah, I think he's like, oh,he's gonna kill me, yeah.
And but then I then I realizedit's just, I'm just acting, and

(54:40):
literally he calmed me down.
We went through the whole spitescene, we went back to the
choreography that we had set andI was completely fine.
But his ego wasn't hurt becauseI kick his ass in the movie,
right?
So that's one thing I alwaysbring up, like my wife's not
going to be upset because I'm inlove with some my character's

(55:01):
in love with someone in themovie.
Yeah, unless you have a reallybad self, low self-esteem, and
then you really get to look atyourself and say, yeah, what's
going on?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
man yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Or maybe you had cheated on your wife and with
your co-star and then they wereworried about that.
There's a whole other thing,right, right.
But acting is.
Look, it's a whole differentspiritual level to it that I see
, that Everyone else can't seethat.
But man, I have done thesescenes, I've made babies in

(55:33):
movies.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
You know what I mean.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Nothing like making babies real life yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
There's a lot more choreography in that as well.
It's all choreography.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And you know what your face has to be a certain
place.
Usually your abs got to bereally tight.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
That's what I always wonder too, I'm like in those
scenes.
How do they make that work inthat scene?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
One thing during the Me Too movement, they got
intimacy coordinators.
It's been a big stink inHollywoodwood.
These people were actually likechoreographing the sex scenes
like they do fight scenes.
Yeah, but that's what I feltlike we've been doing that all
along.
But now we have someone thereto protect um gotcha, but not
just protect girls, protect theboys, you know, protect everyone
on the set makes it easier.

(56:18):
Um one thing I one thing I'dlove to leave this with is that
I have made I feel like I havemade Hollywood a better place
than how I found it.
That was my goal, so we got alot of things changed to make it
better, make it safer.
Not everyone agrees with them,but it's definitely going to put
those assholes in check weagree with you.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
You're a rock star.
We appreciate you coming on andtalking with us and everybody
at home.
Check out Blue Ridge and seasontwo coming up.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Season one Season one and I'm going to go film season
two.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Okay, all right, season one coming up, don't miss
it.
Thank you guys.
John and Chuck, always apleasure.
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