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Clawdeena found solace in their love for dolls, creativity, and makeup transformations growing up in a small conservative town after being born in Queens, New York.
With an impressive following of over 3 million fans and followers across various social platforms, Clawdeena is best known for their extraordinary make-up transformations, captivating TikTok and YouTube videos, and insightful doll reviews that showcase their extensive knowledge of various doll types, notably the iconic "Monster High Dolls" and explores the fascinating world of dolls, identity, and self-expression.
From the tender age of 10, Clawdeena faced the challenge of feeling different in their small hometown. In response, they embarked on a remarkable journey of self-expression by creating online content and sharing it with the world.
In our chat, Clawdeena opens up about their appreciation for Monster High dolls, the importance of dolls for children, and how these toys can help kids express themselves and explore their emotions. They also discuss their documentary project, aiming to bust the stereotype of doll collectors as "crazy hoarders" and shining a light on the positive aspects of this unique hobby.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello everybody and welcome to In The Dawn World, a
show spotlighting the passionand the people of the Dawn
community With your host,georgia Taylor, former vice
president and co-founder of BigBeautiful Dolls.
Join her as she talks tofascinating Dawn artists,
customizers, avid collectors,redesigners, authors and all the
people in between, as theyshare their journeys, give us
(00:27):
glimpses into their processesand will propel their passion
and drive to help keep the Dawnworld moving and shaking.
Welcome to the show, helloeverybody, and welcome to In The
Dawn World.
I'm your host, georgia Taylor,and I'm so excited that you're
joining me today.
I have a wonderful guest forthis show and I cannot wait for
you to get a chance to meet him.
(00:48):
His name is Claudina.
He is a renowned Dawnenthusiast, dawn collector and
social media star.
He has made his name byshowcasing his amazing makeup
transformations and I'm tellingyou they are just absolutely
gorgeous as well as sharing hisvast knowledge about various
types of dolls on his popularYouTube channel.
And I want to say thank you somuch, claudina, for coming on In
(01:10):
The Dawn World with me.
I really appreciate you beinghere.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you for having me, Georgia.
What an intro.
I feel so hyped up.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And you should be.
You should be, you should feelhyped up.
I mean, you do amazing work.
I love your knowledge aboutdolls and I also love your
makeup transformations.
They are just absolutelygorgeous, and I love the fact
that you talk about life as wellas dolls.
So I'm excited to talk about,to get into that and find out a
(01:40):
little bit more about you.
So, yeah, so can you just sharea little bit about yourself,
where you came from and why yougot started with the YouTube
channel?
How did that happen for you?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So my name is Claudina.
I was born in Queens, New York,but technically I was raised in
Florida.
So I talked a lot about how Iwas raised in a small
conservative town and I wasobsessed with dolls.
So I started my YouTube channelwhen I was 10 years old, really
because there wasn't a space inmy town to explore dolls or
(02:13):
explore my creative side thatway And it was really validating
.
I felt pretty lonely as a kid.
I talked a lot about that on mychannel as well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Dolls was an excellent way for me to explore
my creativity and identity Andyou said you were like 10 when
that started happening for you.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, i was 10 years old when I created my
YouTube channel.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Very cool.
So now, when you created theYouTube channel in the beginning
, was you just talking aboutdolls Like how did that
transition happen for you whenit came to actually the makeup
part of that, or was it justabout the dolls when you started
the channel?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
When I first heard of the channel, it was all about
dolls.
So I watched Wookie Warrior 23.
They were probably like theeight girls of Monster High at
that time and they did MonsterHigh costumes.
But at that point I was neverexposed to men dressing as
female characters, so I didn'tknow I could ever really do
makeup on myself.
And it wasn't until I turned 14that I watched RuPaul's Drag
(03:12):
Race and I was like, oh, i couldjust do makeup on myself.
So it started with me doing dollreviews and stop motions just
showing the dolls.
And then I was like, oh, i kindof want to try doing Monster
High cosplays on myself.
And so I would dabble.
And there's a couple of videosor like photos out there on the
actual Monster High Facebookpage of me doing my nieces or
(03:33):
like friends makeup to look likeMonster High characters.
They were all like my testdolls basically And they would
let me do all types of crazylooks on them.
My niece is basically with mylittle sister She has so much
trauma around me hot gluingoutfits onto her.
But then I finally started hotgluing things to myself.
So it was full circle.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Do they let you do their makeup now?
I'm sure they do probably.
Yes, yes, I actually did.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I did my niece's makeup recently and now it's
fine.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So did you have any sisters?
Do you have sisters or you'restill okay?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I have three older sisters, So we're split evenly.
It's three boys and three girls.
My sisters don't.
Well, actually I take that back.
I only have one older sisterwho doesn't let me do her makeup
.
The other two love when I dotheir makeup.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So when you started, so how did you get into, like,
how did you start playing withdolls?
I should say because, like yousaid, you're from a small town I
mean, was that reallychallenging for you?
and who purchased your dolls?
How did your family react toyou when you wanted to have
dolls and you wanted to playwith them?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah.
So I mean I really startedcollecting dolls when I was
three because I loved LittleMermaid.
That was like my biggestobsession ever and I had to have
every single Disney princess.
So at that point I remember allof my siblings would get me
dolls for Christmas and theywere super supportive of it.
But as I aged up, when I turnedseven, i in school was exposed
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to the social norms of boyshaving dolls and there were boys
in school who were like, why doyou have dolls?
And the way that I was pointedand asked it wasn't necessarily
like ill, but it was stillcondescending.
So I stopped buying dolls whenI was seven and transition into
Pokemon.
But then when Monster High cameout, my brother was actually the
(05:17):
one who introduced me to thefranchise because he saw a
commercial about it And we boththought it was really cool and I
ended up getting a couple ofthe dolls And it was kind of it
depended on who you asked.
In my family I think some of mysiblings were really cool about
it.
Some of them were a little bitlike well, he's getting older,
like he needs to get into more.
I do remember some of mysiblings being like you need to
(05:39):
man it up or like grow up andthings like that.
But my parents were alwayssuper supportive.
I would say that both my momand dad never made me feel like
it was strange to have dolls.
They were really supportive inallowing me to express myself in
whatever way they felt fit, andI was the youngest of six, so
in a lot of ways I think theywere just tired.
They were like whatever, likewe are over it, like we do not
(06:03):
care.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Let them play whatever he wants to play when
he wants to be quiet.
Yeah, yeah, basically.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
If they could sit there and watch their news then
that was all that they wereworried about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I understand that It's so funny because you know,
when we have a doll artist onthe show who are men, who are
males, they will talk about that.
that in the beginning it wasreally hard for them to wanna
play with dolls, even thoughthat was something that they
really had a desire to do.
And what I loved about it thathalf of them that come on the
show they did have parents whowere very accepting of that.
(06:38):
So I think it makes such a bigdifference in how you see
yourself, you know, when you dohave parents who can support you
in that You know.
so I'm glad that that happenedfor you.
Not that that negates any ofthe other outside things the
kids or anything like that butat least in your home
environment is something thatyou still feel you have an
outlet and you can expressyourself.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, it was definitely a safe space.
I think that it really I mean,I guess everybody's different,
but at least for me, like I feellike my parents' approval was
super important as a child andbeing able to have that, at
least through this expressiveoutlet, was everything.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And so now your brother introduced you to
Monster High, so I know you havea huge collection of Monster
High dolls.
So why did you gravitate toMonster High and not other types
of dolls?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know.
So I did have the Disney dollsthat I kind of phased out of.
And then I had Bratz.
When my niece was born and shewas really her name is Sasha,
one of the Bratz names is SashaShe was really into Bratz and I
would secretly play with herdolls.
But Monster High was kind of myown thing.
It wasn't affiliated with Imean, obviously my brother had
introduced it to me but itwasn't affiliated with my niece
(07:50):
And I think because the dollswere so opposable.
That is what drew my attentionfirst.
The dolls were super opposable,which allowed me to tell
stories with them, even while Iwas just playing with them, or
playing with the dolls withfriends, in a way that other
dolls couldn't because they wereso static And Monster High is
known for their lore and youcould tell Mattel really put a
(08:12):
lot of effort into writing outtheir story before the line was
launched.
So reading the back of the dollsbios and like their freaky laws
and things.
I really identified with thecharacters And I think that's
why Monster High resonated sodeeply with me, because being
from a small town, reading aboutthese characters that feel the
way that I did at that age, orlike they're going through the
(08:32):
woes of high school, I reallyidentified with And I think it
made it easier in that way.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, i couldn't understand that.
And this is what I think is soimportant for the doll community
is representation.
It may not look like you, butit represented something that
you felt and something that youwere able to connect with and
say, okay, i can own that storybecause that's how I feel.
And so I think having thingsrepresented in the doll
(08:59):
community is just so importantbecause it really makes children
and adults because we haveadult collectors feel safe, i
mean, and even though they'readult doll collectors, it's
still that inner child thatshows up, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
when you're collecting that.
So it's something in thereDefinitely.
And I think we even see thatwith Barbie.
Like I feel like that's why hercareers do so well, because
people see that and they're like, oh, i wanted to be this career
.
And then you kind of imaginedthat for yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, true.
So what was your inspirationabout creating your alter ego?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Though I actually, when I started doing makeup on
my YouTube channel, my sistersuggested the name Marissa.
I don't go by Marissa at all,like that character's gone dead,
she has been discarded.
But my sister suggested that myname should have my actual
parts of my actual name in it.
So my name is Matthew, but I goby Claudina And I chose Marissa
(09:50):
with her And that character wasvery heavily inspired by my
sister And I feel like it wasmore of a character where, as I
grew into myself because I waslike 14 at that time- As.
I grew into myself, I found theparts of me that I liked, the
parts of me that I wanted todisplay on my channel, the parts
of me that I am in real life,and kind of culminated all of
(10:10):
that to create Claudina.
I feel like it's an alter ego,but it's also just a part of me.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It's just as me, as any other part of me It
definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I guess there's different ways that I found that
identity, like through watchingmedia, i think, tv shows,
definitely through Monster High,and sometimes in subconscious
way, like when I was doing mymakeup, i would look back at
some of my older looks And I waslike, oh, this was totally
Monster High inspired And Ididn't even realize it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do you make over your dolls too, or just yourself?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I try to do their hair.
I've done repaints before, butI'm not great at it.
I have honestly been thinkingabout doing it though, just
because I feel like I've gottenso much better at makeup And I
would say that the dollcommunity in general has gotten
so much better at repaints inthe way, the techniques that
have been found and the accessthat we have to different
products, so I've been thinkingof trying it, but as for now,
(11:02):
i've just been focusing on hairand kind of restyling them that
way And doing your own makeupright Yeah, why do you think
dolls are so important forchildren, like, why do you think
that they're so important tohave in your life?
I think dolls are reallyimportant for kids for a number
of reasons for sure, But I thinkwhat I've heard most from other
collectors, even especiallymale collectors, I would say, is
(11:24):
that it was a way for them toexplore their femininity and
their feminine side.
And I do feel like dolls.
I don't know the word for it,but I think there's something
about dolls aesthetically thatallows you to explore something
that isn't something you cannecessarily explore as a human
being, but I know there's alsostudies that show that dolls can
(11:45):
help with empathy.
I do remember playing with dollsand being able to create
scenarios and imagine like okay,well, this is how this
character would feel in thismoment, versus how this
character would feel, and I dothink that it allows children
the opportunity to see thingsfrom another side.
And in therapy, i remember,like just seeing things on TV
not necessarily myself, but Iknow that that is a practice
that is sometimes done intherapy with kids using dolls to
(12:08):
tell stories, and the way thatkids will express themselves
through a doll versus themselves, with what they're feeling.
And I think there's somethingsafer about this, almost like
conduit of like how to expressyour emotions.
So in that way, i think dollsare in a really unique way to
explore your feelings.
Somebody expressed to me thatdolls are like the only
(12:31):
functional decor because in someways, like especially for
adults, they are decor butthey're also interactive and you
can play with them, and a lotof texture.
So I think for kids there's sucha myriad of things that make
dolls really important.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I find, Yeah, yeah, there really is.
I mean, like you said, it's away of connecting, it's a way of
sharing things with that dollthat you probably would not
share with anybody else, or atleast be able to start the
conversation.
It gives them opportunity.
I think sometimes you even havesomething to talk to, even
though it's not a real person,but it's just something there
(13:05):
that can kind of maybe keep yoursecret or just share something
that you need to get out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It helps in so many, so many different ways.
So, absolutely So.
I know you collect MonsterHigh's.
How many Monster High dolls doyou have?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
As of my last documentary, like the third part
that's coming out, i am missing20 dolls.
So I have Like I don't evenknow the specific number, but at
least like 1500 at Monster HighDolls.
Not all of them are out here, idon't have the space for that,
but I out of the first wave ofdolls I believe there's
something of like 500 Gen 1Monster High Dolls And I won't
(13:43):
announce how many I have of that, but I'm very close And then
between Gen 2, they actuallyproduced, i want to say like 300
Dolls in Gen 2.
And have the newer generation.
So there's a ton of MonsterHigh Dolls and I get doubles of
them.
I get ones from thrift stores,yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, i have a ton.
You have a ton, i know you havea ton, so how is your right?
What are the collections thatyou have besides the Monster
High?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I also collect Brats.
I still have a couple of Brats.
I've decided to shift from outof box collecting as much and
I've been getting in box dollsSo I've been buying more in box
Brats.
I do have a couple Barbies.
I really love the Mark Raidencollection that they just
released in the Guaope So I ownthat doll.
I do still like Disney Dolls.
I'll get like the collectorones.
I will say, as it's interesting, that as I've aged up, i do
(14:33):
lean more towards the adultcollector dolls versus the
online.
Okay, i would say like I wasgetting more of a variety, but I
am trying to be more mindful oflike am I really going to
display this or use this in someway, or am I just going to like
is it going to end up in a bin?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You're trying to be a little bit more discerning,
right, yeah, of your collection,right, i get that Definitely.
So you did say something aboutyour documentary, so share a
little bit about yourdocumentary and why you started
that.
I think it's great, but justshare a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I decided to do a doll documentary because when I
was watching YouTube contentspecifically of the doll niche,
i wasn't seeing that format ofstorytelling anywhere And I
wanted to do something thatwasn't depicting doll collectors
as crazy hoarders, because Ithink that most of the time,
what you see right Because likewhen it's docus style.
(15:24):
I've worked on like theproducing side of things.
My old management used to docasting for reality shows, so
they play things up.
So when I was seeing itcommonly, doll collectors were
commonly depicted on TV andreality TV It was as though they
were hoarders or they didn'tmake good decisions for
themselves.
So their homes were just filledwith dolls and we had no space
(15:45):
for anything else.
And I wanted to show what beinga doll collector really looks
like.
And I think it's not a monolith.
Everybody's different, but mostof my friends who are doll
collectors keep their dollsreally neat.
It looks more like home decor.
It's really demure.
So, like my display, i get tonsof compliments on it.
So the point of doing adocumentary was to let people in
(16:06):
on what it looked like to be adoll collector.
And the hook really was likecompleting my Monster High
collection, because I know thatmost of my audience are also
Monster High collectors.
But I wanted to show peoplelike the questions that I could
ask So how do I afford all mydolls?
Where do I get the dolls?
Since Monster High the oldergenerations are becoming harder
to find.
Where can you get access tothat?
(16:27):
And then also the emotionalaspect of doll collecting is a
huge part of my life becauseit's also my work at least 80%
But there's also other aspectsthat tie into this.
So when I am going to eventswith Mattel, what is the
emotions like?
Like, am I feeling anxious?
Did I go through something?
What is it like with my family?
What is my family dynamic?
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Because I think it's one thingto talk about it, but it's
another thing to see it, and Ithink the power of docu-style
storytelling is that it reallymakes people feel things in a
different way.
I feel like it just hits adifferent part of your brain
that allows you to digest andreally see like, oh okay, this
person's an actual human being.
So I wanted to normalize thatdoll collectors are just human
(17:08):
beings.
It's a hobby that allows us toexpress ourselves and get
through things, and I think thatit hopefully showcases to
people who may not be dollcollectors to see that for me,
dolls a lot of my identity iswrapped up in dolls, but in a
way that's really healthy andhelpful and creative And, i
think, conducive to the world.
(17:29):
I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think you're so right.
I think you're so on point withthat, Because I think everybody
has that perception right Thateven if not doll collectors,
just collectors in general, thatthey're crazy or they want to
go out and spend all their money, They don't know how to handle
certain things because they'reso.
But it's not always that Andkudos to you really for
showcasing that, to finding away to be able to tell that
(17:52):
story And the way that sayinghey, just come in and look at
the life of a doll collector,This is like you said.
This is Yes, this made me mylife.
It may not be everybody else's,but I want you to know that
this life exists and I'm a dollcollector And we do the same
thing that you do.
Right, we have to make thosedecisions, whether to buy this
or buy that, or it's just partof life And I think that's great
(18:15):
, that you're doing that andbeing able to share your story
as well.
So it also gives anotheropportunity for younger people,
too, to look at you and say he'sa doll collector, this is what
I wanted to do, but feeling badbecause that's what they wanted
to do.
Now they can look at you andsay, well, oh well, this is how
it can be done.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's been the number one comment that I've
received over the entirety of myplatform is I constantly get
messages from kids commentingsaying you're the reason that
I'm allowed to collect dolls, orI really want to collect dolls
but my grandma won't let me, orjust different stories that are
kind of similar and mesh in thesame narrative.
So I wanted to show also Ithink it's unfortunate and I
kind of resent that I have toexplain it this way But the way
(18:57):
that I was able to convince someof my family members who were
not so happy that I like dollsso much was that I was making
money from it And becauseYouTube was a career for me.
When people see that it's likeokay, well, in this way it can't
be Like how can you argue withsomebody making their bag Right?
So in that way, on YouTube, ithink that kids are able to show
(19:19):
family members this content andkind of say, but look, it could
also be a career, like it canturn into something else.
And I try to talk about how,even if it wasn't dolls, there's
so much that I learned withdolls, because I mean basically
to the point that we werespeaking of earlier, as to why
dolls are important to kids.
I also did learn a lot aboutHair styling.
I learned about video editing.
I learned about animation,because I was using dolls as the
(19:42):
tool to do that.
So in that way, i think that itwas important for me to
showcase that, if, for thepeople who feel like You know,
it's crazy or weird or a wasteof time to have dolls, it can
also be Very lucrative.
So we can't deny that it'sstill a fact that you know
creating dolls can also make youa lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, and I mean it's so funny
that you said that, because Ialways asked you know Most of
the people who want to come onthis show can you make a living
doing what you do?
And obviously that that's.
That's happened very well foryou to be able to do that.
And a lot of times I'll sharewith people the podcast.
And the first thing that's likewell, okay, that's a doll
podcast.
(20:24):
You know, like I Don't collectall that's right, i don't
collect dolls, I don't do this.
But what I try to get them tosee is that there's so many
levels and nuances in the dollcommunity And there's so many
people out there doing amazingwork Whether it's creating a
dollar, styling a dollar,repainting a dollar, doing
videos that they I just wantthem to see the Opportunities
(20:44):
that are still out there forpeople to get into that space.
They may be creative and neverthought about Oh, i could do
this in the doll community, butbecause they could get to see
these people.
But you're right, i mean theyfirst look at it and think, what
, what do I need to know about adoll?
the dog community I don't buydolls, or whatever it is, but
it's so much more than that.
You know It's like the doll isso much more than just the doll.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Absolutely.
I think it's.
It's amazing that you're alsodoing this and creating platform
for doll collectors to sharetheir own narrative and Expose
ourselves to more, more peoplewho, like you were saying, don't
necessarily Understand thetears and levels in depth of the
doll community.
And I really like I think it'samazing that you were doing this
, because I feel They're solittle out there about that,
(21:28):
about, like, how there are sucha diverse range of people in
this community exploring.
That is so cool to me.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Oh, thank you, Thank you so much.
I mean I just I just love whatyou do too, because I just love
how you share your story, thethings that you go through.
You know, talk about the dolls.
You have a vast, you have avast knowledge of dolls.
So let me ask you about that,because I'm so interested in
that, because you know, mostpeople will collect the dollar
and they'll say, okay, i knowthe manufacturer and always
where it was made and thingslike that.
But you, you, you, so indeed,to the characters, the people,
(21:57):
everybody, where did that, wheredid that come from with it,
that start for you.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know, it's really .
It's interesting because Ithink there's certain things
that I try to learn, like math,and I'm like I don't know what
is going on right now Can'tdance, give me a one, two, three
, four, five, six, seven, eight.
I don't know what's going on,but when it comes to dolls, that
information just sticks, forwhatever reason.
I think probably I am reallyinto psychology, so I'm gonna
(22:23):
just put out some pseudosciencecould be just a theory is maybe
because dolls are so safe for me, my brain is able to really
absorb that information in a waythat Is going to stay and it's
gonna be more, more permanentand tangible than something that
makes me feel more nervous orawkward or anxious, like dancing
.
And so for me, because I alsomake the living off of dolls, i
(22:49):
Started up my YouTube channel asit is today, in 2020, over the
pandemic.
So I had management at that timewho was pushing me more to do
like skincare and beauty.
But I was tired about like Idon't, i don't know anything
about makeup.
I love to transform myself withmakeup, but people ask me all
the time like, do you want to doyour own makeup line?
Like no, i don't know anythingabout makeup.
I don't know.
(23:09):
I don't care about theingredients.
I love using it, but whereaswith dolls I want to know
everything, like I want to knowwhat type of plastic are we
using, what type of hair is this?
How do you, what are thesetechniques, what are the
technical terms, the way thatsome people feel about makeup,
and I Decided to make that thatshift over 2020, and that
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allowed me to learn more aboutthe doll, the doll industry,
because my channel becamefocused on Being a platform
where people would get thatinformation because it's really
not.
It's not super accessible.
I'm still learning things allthe time about different terms
that are used, differenttechniques, why things are how
they are, but I think it justit's one of those things that
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came really naturally to me, orat least feels like it comes
really naturally to me Whythat's why I Know, because I was
like, why is so knowledgeable?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It's just amazing.
I'm so always learning aboutdolls.
You've got have been in thedoll Space.
I made my own doll, but still Ionly knew that much right to
make a doll.
And then I and I broke awayfrom the doll business and then
When I started to think aboutpodcasting, as I started
podcasting, i was like, yeah,it's a great medium, you know,
to showcase all the people thatI met.
You know why people don't knowabout these people.
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Who was beyond me and Irealized they weren't dolls on
the shelf And that's what allpeople knew.
But I wanted to show them, thepeople that were not, that
didn't have dolls on the shelf,and and the Community that they
were that they were in, and so Itotally understand that.
So when you, when you firststarted YouTube channel, you
were just showcasing dolls orwere you just, or you were doing
makeup or you were doing bothat the same time when you first
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started.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So when I first started, it was just the dolls.
It was up until 2014.
So 2014 shifted from dolls todoing both and then I would say
around 2017 is when it becamejust doing makeup.
There might have been a dollvideo here and there, but it was
very, very rare.
And in 2018 I signed with themanagement company and They
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Basically didn't want anythingto do with dolls.
They didn't necessarilyexplicitly say that, but it was
alluded to and they would neverwant Like they would never push
for me to work with dollcompanies.
So in 2018 it was all beautyfocused and I was really on a
trajectory of being like aquote-unquote Mainstream beauty
guru type person.
Like I was walking red carpets,i met Lady Gaga, i did a music
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video with Shawn Mendes like itwas all very mainstream stuff,
but none of it.
I mean, of course I love thatlike don't get me wrong and I
feel very blessed to have donethose things But my true passion
was dolls and the fact that Iwas being pushed in this
direction.
That didn't really feel like me.
I just took a step back.
So it kind of has been all overthe place, been a journey, but
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it started with dolls and nowit's full circle back.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So go back to dolls, right.
That's really really cool.
I, i love it.
I know you said you're verymuch into psychology, so, and I
did find it that you were acrisis counselor as well.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Because you're not okay.
How old are you?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I'm 23.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I know I look really young.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, I always joke that it's.
It's the Botox.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't think that's the truth, but I just think you
just you just have a really,really young face And I think
that's wonderful to have right.
but being a crisis counselor,how did you get into that?
How did that come about for you?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So I, because I am the youngest of six, i Went
through a lot of therapy in mytime as a kid, mm-hmm, and I
really it.
That is something that alsocame really naturally to me.
So at 12, i remember going to alot of group therapy and I
would have peers in these groupsBe like I wish you were just my
therapist, because I really Idon't know why, but I really
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grasped the concept of activelistening and empathy.
So I, in 2019, there was amoment where I was going through
a bit of a crisis and my ex atthe time sent me the number to
crisis text line, which is a.
It's a text line that's anonprofit organization.
It's free to text us.
And I texted in and I found itto be I think, honestly, it was
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more so the fact that my ex,like thought to send this to me.
That was meaningful.
But when I texted in and I feltlike I was being supported, i
really liked the idea of beingable to support people through
text, because I'm naturallybetter at writing than I am at
speaking.
So I looked into crisis textline and I ended up working with
them and doing a podcast withthem, with Stacy London, who was
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on what not to wear and wetalked a little bit about my
mental health struggles and thethings that I went through
growing up.
That led me to the point ofbeing a crisis counselor, and I
did it all through crisis textline.
So I became a crisis counselorthrough crisis text line.
Just because of my passion andbecause of what I went through,
i felt like I was able to reallyunderstand the people who were
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texting in or people on day today levels of what I'm going
through.
I get what that's like.
So I just wanted to be there tosupport.
I feel like I constantly say Idon't feel like anybody should
be alone, like nobody deservesto feel that feeling, and I
think if I have the ability tospeak in ways that make people
feel less alone, then I'm goingto do that?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, you're going to do that, and do you bring that
part of you?
I mean, i know it's a part ofyou.
So the answer is probably yes,but do you bring that part of
you in the documentary whenyou're talking about your dolls
and all the challenges that youhave, or you just leave that
separately?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh, absolutely No.
I, especially in the secondpart I talk a lot about the
relationship I had with my exand how that it was really
tumultuous relationship, let'sjust say that.
So I did talk about it more inthe documentary.
But I was really dissociativeand I was doing some of the
grandest things I feel of mycareer just because I'm so
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passionate about dolls.
So anything doll related isreally really special to me.
And I got to go on a tour ofMattel's factory as they were
introduced to Monster Generation.
I got to go to the Monster Highmovie premiere and in that in
the documentary I talked abouthow I was really dissociative
during those times.
I enjoyed it, like inretrospect, but in those moments
my head was somewhere else,like I felt like I wasn't
(29:12):
grounded.
I was thinking about how my dadhad just passed away two years
ago, so that was Sorry to hearthat.
Sorry, thank you.
Yeah, it was.
It was really hard So.
And then I had to do all ofthis performance, which is
really what it felt more likewhen I did these things.
It didn't.
It no longer felt like, oh myGod, how lucky am I to be doing
this.
It felt more like, ok, i haveto perform and I have to look
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really good to these brands andcompanies that I work with and
pretend like I'm not goingthrough a breakup.
My dad didn't just pass awaylike my family is completely
fine.
I do touch on that.
And the third part kind ofpulls that all together, like
how I, how I get through that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And I think that I think that's great.
And I think the fact that youcombine it with, like, part of
you that is the dog collectorright, the part of you that is
you know a male growing up in a,you know an environment where
people freak out about menhaving dolls and boys having
dolls, you know and also tryingto deal with your own sexuality
and who you are as a person andgrowing, i think that's really a
(30:07):
great and amazing combinationbecause it just allows so many
people in, not just a dogcollector, it's not just it's so
many facets, and I think youjust allow all those people in
to watch that journey and toconnect with you, because
everybody goes through a lot ofthings in life And I think that
you're saying, hey, this is,yeah, these are things that you
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go through, regardless of whereyou're at and who you are.
And you know, i want you to,you know, actually enjoy this
story too and come along with me.
Why are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, i think that the waythat I always create content,
the way that I consume it So ifI don't like watching something,
I'm not going to createsomething that I wouldn't like
to watch the way that I watchthings and the way that I
connect with other creators orcelebrities, what have you is,
when I identify with whatthey're saying, i'm like, oh my
God, that's so me.
(30:59):
So I decided I wanted to putmyself out there in a way that
is really authentic, becausethen it'll it'll attract the
people who relate to that, andthey're like oh my God, this is
so me.
Or like I didn't have a termfor what I was experiencing, but
now that I see someone elsegoing through it, this is what I
was going through.
So, that's that big part of whyI wanted to do that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's very cool.
I love it.
I just love, i love what you'redoing out there and I just love
what you're doing out there.
So it's so awesome.
So I watched your videos.
They are, they're amazing Andthe editing is phenomenal.
You know, i have to maybe Ihave to take a lesson from you
but throw some stuff in betweenthe shows.
(31:38):
But so you said before I knowyou mentioned in another
interview, you were talkingabout that you, your past videos
, were more scripted And nowyou're moving away from that.
And why is that?
Why do you?
why you don't want to use ascript anymore.
Sometimes I wish I had one, butyou know yeah, i go back and
forth, i think that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I still use a bit of the scripted aspect.
So, because I'm doing almostlike a newscast and I'm
reporting on news information, ican't be completely unscripted.
But I think it was reallydifficult for me when I'm
Reading the script to.
This is literally the reasonwhy it's for me to read the
script and then try to repeat itAnd I would just be doing it
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over and over and over because Icould not remember what I wrote
.
I'm a lot more concise and youremove a lot of the ums and the
like.
Like, oh my god, like I removea lot of that by doing a script,
but you lose a lot of thepersonality as well, and I think
that by doing it non scripted,a lot of my audience is like oh,
they love How much of mypersonality they're able to see.
And the youtubers that, again,the way that I create is based
(32:39):
on what I watch, and theyoutubers that I've been
watching lately do unscriptedcontent.
They're still reporting on news, so I like to.
I I watch a lot of like doll andentertainment news.
I don't really watch like newsnews for those creators They are
doing unscripted and getting tosee so much of their
personality, i was like, oh,maybe I should do that because I
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this is what I like to watch,so that's why I did to start.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, basically just shows who you are.
Yeah, i think that's so much,that's so much better, i think,
because I do believe when you'rescripted, sometimes it limits
your personality.
Yeah, definitely, you know,that's, that's kind of what I
found, but but of course, whenyou're not scripted you're like
Oh my gosh, i can't believe.
I said that.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
For sure I think there's more, there's more room
for criticism being non scripted, yeah, but again, i I live by
the idea of like and notnecessarily in a way of For
shock value, but I believe inbeing polarizing in the way that
that will magnetize and bringthe people who are attracted to
you and the people who Naturallywould gravitate towards what
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you're saying and believe andagree with what you're saying.
So, as opposed to just sayingsomething that'll please
everybody, right, rather do,that's more authentic to me.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, you know, let me tell you, if there's nothing
else, you are definitelyauthentic.
So, thank you.
I've watched some of yourvideos and like, wow, okay, but
I, but I just I love your styleand think that's because I do
like, i do like people justbeing.
You know, i guess once youlearn who you are, then she's
show who you are and I thinkthat And it's all a journey and
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I think people need tounderstand that too.
It's all a journey, no matterif you, if you get up in the
morning, say, oh, you're soamazing, that's wonderful, but
you know what you still have to.
It's still a journey just toeven say that to yourself.
I mean so you know, becausewhen you look sometimes you
don't feel amazing, you know,and it's like and it's, and
that's okay too, but you have tojust, you know, figure out how,
(34:37):
how to live with both of those,both of those people.
Yeah definitely Yeah, and Ithink you do.
I think you do really great inshowcasing that And and in
showcasing in the documentary,because I think the documentary
really is a place where you canbe creative And and it allows
you to have so many differentoutlets.
You know, whether you're so, orwhether you are makeup artists,
(35:00):
whether your hair style is Imean, you can do so many things,
yes, with your dolls, as wellas having it there as a source
of you know, companionship in away.
I think you bring all thoseaspects into everything that you
do and I want to say thank youso much for doing that And the
document.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Thank you, you just made my day.
I'm gonna go, i'm gonna walk soso high this day with my head
held high all day, because youreally did height me up like I
feel so good right now.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Thank you, Hey, you know, i'm just, i can only be me
too.
You know, i can only, i canonly be me too.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
You are radiant though.
Oh, like you're at you.
Oh, good Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Oh, thank you so much .
I really appreciate that.
I really do so.
Yes, just show again.
Thank you for being on the show.
I really appreciate you, butit's anything else you really
want to share with us before you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Everybody always says this.
It's such a cliche, but thereis something very, very exciting
coming up.
It's Monster High related Andthere's also other doll related
things.
I am gonna be involved withsomething with Barbie Not the
Barbie thing, isn't?
I don't want to hype it up toomuch for people like, oh my god,
are you in the movie?
No, but there there's someexciting things in the pipelines
(36:13):
with with everyone's favoritefavorite doll brands that I will
just mention briefly.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, all right, all right, All right, that's all we
get.
Okay, that's fine, i have towatch.
I thought you're gonna sharesome breaking news, or in the
dark world.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It will be.
I think it definitely will beonce I'm allowed to share those
things.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Not a problem, just share what people can find you
at, because that's that's reallyimportant.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, that'd be great can find me on YouTube at
Claudina 9, on Instagram at MamaDina official, or if you just
type in Claudina you'll find me,and on tick tock at Claudina,
and that's CLAW like the nails.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Nice, very nice.
Claudina, thank you so much.
I'm so excited that you joinedus here in the dark world.
You're amazing and I'm so, i'mso excited to see where you're
going with, with, what you doReally.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Thank you having me.
I can't wait.
I can't wait to listen to this.
Yes, and watch it, it's gonnabe great.
I Can talk with you all day.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I know we can, we really can.
I'm excited about that.
So thank you so much for beingon in the dark world.
I really, really appreciate it.
Everybody knows what they canfind you and again, i'm so
excited for your journey.
I cannot wait to see where yousee where you're gonna be going
and, and I'm excited that peopleto get to know you and know
about you and get an opportunityto you know, go along with you
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and your journey.
So thank you so much for beingyou really Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I really appreciate that You're so welcome.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Okay, bye everybody.
Thank you so much for watchingin the dark world.
Bye guys, bye.
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Hello everybody and welcome to In The Dawn World, a
show spotlighting the passionand the people of the Dawn
community With your host,georgia Taylor, former vice
president and co-founder of BigBeautiful Dolls.
Join her as she talks tofascinating Dawn artists,
customizers, avid collectors,redesigners, authors and all the
people in between, as theyshare their journeys, give us
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glimpses into their processesand will propel their passion
and drive to help keep the Dawnworld moving and shaking.
Welcome to the show, helloeverybody, and welcome to In The
Dawn World.
I'm your host, georgia Taylor,and I'm so excited that you're
joining me today.
I have a wonderful guest forthis show and I cannot wait for
you to get a chance to meet him.
(00:48):
His name is Claudina.
He is a renowned Dawnenthusiast, dawn collector and
social media star.
He has made his name byshowcasing his amazing makeup
transformations and I'm tellingyou they are just absolutely
gorgeous as well as sharing hisvast knowledge about various
types of dolls on his popularYouTube channel.
And I want to say thank you somuch, claudina, for coming on In
(01:10):
The Dawn World with me.
I really appreciate you beinghere.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you for having me, Georgia.
What an intro.
I feel so hyped up.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And you should be.
You should be, you should feelhyped up.
I mean, you do amazing work.
I love your knowledge aboutdolls and I also love your
makeup transformations.
They are just absolutelygorgeous, and I love the fact
that you talk about life as wellas dolls.
So I'm excited to talk about,to get into that and find out a
(01:40):
little bit more about you.
So, yeah, so can you just sharea little bit about yourself,
where you came from and why yougot started with the YouTube
channel?
How did that happen for you?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So my name is Claudina.
I was born in Queens, New York,but technically I was raised in
Florida.
So I talked a lot about how Iwas raised in a small
conservative town and I wasobsessed with dolls.
So I started my YouTube channelwhen I was 10 years old, really
because there wasn't a space inmy town to explore dolls or
(02:13):
explore my creative side thatway And it was really validating
.
I felt pretty lonely as a kid.
I talked a lot about that on mychannel as well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Dolls was an excellent way for me to explore
my creativity and identity Andyou said you were like 10 when
that started happening for you.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, i was 10 years old when I created my
YouTube channel.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Very cool.
So now, when you created theYouTube channel in the beginning
, was you just talking aboutdolls Like how did that
transition happen for you whenit came to actually the makeup
part of that, or was it justabout the dolls when you started
the channel?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
When I first heard of the channel, it was all about
dolls.
So I watched Wookie Warrior 23.
They were probably like theeight girls of Monster High at
that time and they did MonsterHigh costumes.
But at that point I was neverexposed to men dressing as
female characters, so I didn'tknow I could ever really do
makeup on myself.
And it wasn't until I turned 14that I watched RuPaul's Drag
(03:12):
Race and I was like, oh, i couldjust do makeup on myself.
So it started with me doing dollreviews and stop motions just
showing the dolls.
And then I was like, oh, i kindof want to try doing Monster
High cosplays on myself.
And so I would dabble.
And there's a couple of videosor like photos out there on the
actual Monster High Facebookpage of me doing my nieces or
(03:33):
like friends makeup to look likeMonster High characters.
They were all like my testdolls basically And they would
let me do all types of crazylooks on them.
My niece is basically with mylittle sister She has so much
trauma around me hot gluingoutfits onto her.
But then I finally started hotgluing things to myself.
So it was full circle.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Do they let you do their makeup now?
I'm sure they do probably.
Yes, yes, I actually did.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I did my niece's makeup recently and now it's
fine.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So did you have any sisters?
Do you have sisters or you'restill okay?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I have three older sisters, So we're split evenly.
It's three boys and three girls.
My sisters don't.
Well, actually I take that back.
I only have one older sisterwho doesn't let me do her makeup
.
The other two love when I dotheir makeup.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So when you started, so how did you get into, like,
how did you start playing withdolls?
I should say because, like yousaid, you're from a small town I
mean, was that reallychallenging for you?
and who purchased your dolls?
How did your family react toyou when you wanted to have
dolls and you wanted to playwith them?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah.
So I mean I really startedcollecting dolls when I was
three because I loved LittleMermaid.
That was like my biggestobsession ever and I had to have
every single Disney princess.
So at that point I remember allof my siblings would get me
dolls for Christmas and theywere super supportive of it.
But as I aged up, when I turnedseven, i in school was exposed
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to the social norms of boyshaving dolls and there were boys
in school who were like, why doyou have dolls?
And the way that I was pointedand asked it wasn't necessarily
like ill, but it was stillcondescending.
So I stopped buying dolls whenI was seven and transition into
Pokemon.
But then when Monster High cameout, my brother was actually the
(05:17):
one who introduced me to thefranchise because he saw a
commercial about it And we boththought it was really cool and I
ended up getting a couple ofthe dolls And it was kind of it
depended on who you asked.
In my family I think some of mysiblings were really cool about
it.
Some of them were a little bitlike well, he's getting older,
like he needs to get into more.
I do remember some of mysiblings being like you need to
(05:39):
man it up or like grow up andthings like that.
But my parents were alwayssuper supportive.
I would say that both my momand dad never made me feel like
it was strange to have dolls.
They were really supportive inallowing me to express myself in
whatever way they felt fit, andI was the youngest of six, so
in a lot of ways I think theywere just tired.
They were like whatever, likewe are over it, like we do not
(06:03):
care.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Let them play whatever he wants to play when
he wants to be quiet.
Yeah, yeah, basically.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
If they could sit there and watch their news then
that was all that they wereworried about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I understand that It's so funny because you know,
when we have a doll artist onthe show who are men, who are
males, they will talk about that.
that in the beginning it wasreally hard for them to wanna
play with dolls, even thoughthat was something that they
really had a desire to do.
And what I loved about it thathalf of them that come on the
show they did have parents whowere very accepting of that.
(06:38):
So I think it makes such a bigdifference in how you see
yourself, you know, when you dohave parents who can support you
in that You know.
so I'm glad that that happenedfor you.
Not that that negates any ofthe other outside things the
kids or anything like that butat least in your home
environment is something thatyou still feel you have an
outlet and you can expressyourself.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, it was definitely a safe space.
I think that it really I mean,I guess everybody's different,
but at least for me, like I feellike my parents' approval was
super important as a child andbeing able to have that, at
least through this expressiveoutlet, was everything.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And so now your brother introduced you to
Monster High, so I know you havea huge collection of Monster
High dolls.
So why did you gravitate toMonster High and not other types
of dolls?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know.
So I did have the Disney dollsthat I kind of phased out of.
And then I had Bratz.
When my niece was born and shewas really her name is Sasha,
one of the Bratz names is SashaShe was really into Bratz and I
would secretly play with herdolls.
But Monster High was kind of myown thing.
It wasn't affiliated with Imean, obviously my brother had
introduced it to me but itwasn't affiliated with my niece
(07:50):
And I think because the dollswere so opposable.
That is what drew my attentionfirst.
The dolls were super opposable,which allowed me to tell
stories with them, even while Iwas just playing with them, or
playing with the dolls withfriends, in a way that other
dolls couldn't because they wereso static And Monster High is
known for their lore and youcould tell Mattel really put a
(08:12):
lot of effort into writing outtheir story before the line was
launched.
So reading the back of the dollsbios and like their freaky laws
and things.
I really identified with thecharacters And I think that's
why Monster High resonated sodeeply with me, because being
from a small town, reading aboutthese characters that feel the
way that I did at that age, orlike they're going through the
(08:32):
woes of high school, I reallyidentified with And I think it
made it easier in that way.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, i couldn't understand that.
And this is what I think is soimportant for the doll community
is representation.
It may not look like you, butit represented something that
you felt and something that youwere able to connect with and
say, okay, i can own that storybecause that's how I feel.
And so I think having thingsrepresented in the doll
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community is just so importantbecause it really makes children
and adults because we haveadult collectors feel safe, i
mean, and even though they'readult doll collectors, it's
still that inner child thatshows up, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
when you're collecting that.
So it's something in thereDefinitely.
And I think we even see thatwith Barbie.
Like I feel like that's why hercareers do so well, because
people see that and they're like, oh, i wanted to be this career
.
And then you kind of imaginedthat for yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, true.
So what was your inspirationabout creating your alter ego?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Though I actually, when I started doing makeup on
my YouTube channel, my sistersuggested the name Marissa.
I don't go by Marissa at all,like that character's gone dead,
she has been discarded.
But my sister suggested that myname should have my actual
parts of my actual name in it.
So my name is Matthew, but I goby Claudina And I chose Marissa
(09:50):
with her And that character wasvery heavily inspired by my
sister And I feel like it wasmore of a character where, as I
grew into myself because I waslike 14 at that time- As.
I grew into myself, I found theparts of me that I liked, the
parts of me that I wanted todisplay on my channel, the parts
of me that I am in real life,and kind of culminated all of
(10:10):
that to create Claudina.
I feel like it's an alter ego,but it's also just a part of me.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It's just as me, as any other part of me It
definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I guess there's different ways that I found that
identity, like through watchingmedia, i think, tv shows,
definitely through Monster High,and sometimes in subconscious
way, like when I was doing mymakeup, i would look back at
some of my older looks And I waslike, oh, this was totally
Monster High inspired And Ididn't even realize it.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Do you make over your dolls too, or just yourself?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I try to do their hair.
I've done repaints before, butI'm not great at it.
I have honestly been thinkingabout doing it though, just
because I feel like I've gottenso much better at makeup And I
would say that the dollcommunity in general has gotten
so much better at repaints inthe way, the techniques that
have been found and the accessthat we have to different
products, so I've been thinkingof trying it, but as for now,
(11:02):
i've just been focusing on hairand kind of restyling them that
way And doing your own makeupright Yeah, why do you think
dolls are so important forchildren, like, why do you think
that they're so important tohave in your life?
I think dolls are reallyimportant for kids for a number
of reasons for sure, But I thinkwhat I've heard most from other
collectors, even especiallymale collectors, I would say, is
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that it was a way for them toexplore their femininity and
their feminine side.
And I do feel like dolls.
I don't know the word for it,but I think there's something
about dolls aesthetically thatallows you to explore something
that isn't something you cannecessarily explore as a human
being, but I know there's alsostudies that show that dolls can
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help with empathy.
I do remember playing with dollsand being able to create
scenarios and imagine like okay,well, this is how this
character would feel in thismoment, versus how this
character would feel, and I dothink that it allows children
the opportunity to see thingsfrom another side.
And in therapy, i remember,like just seeing things on TV
not necessarily myself, but Iknow that that is a practice
that is sometimes done intherapy with kids using dolls to
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tell stories, and the way thatkids will express themselves
through a doll versus themselves, with what they're feeling.
And I think there's somethingsafer about this, almost like
conduit of like how to expressyour emotions.
So in that way, i think dollsare in a really unique way to
explore your feelings.
Somebody expressed to me thatdolls are like the only
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functional decor because in someways, like especially for
adults, they are decor butthey're also interactive and you
can play with them, and a lotof texture.
So I think for kids there's sucha myriad of things that make
dolls really important.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I find, Yeah, yeah, there really is.
I mean, like you said, it's away of connecting, it's a way of
sharing things with that dollthat you probably would not
share with anybody else, or atleast be able to start the
conversation.
It gives them opportunity.
I think sometimes you even havesomething to talk to, even
though it's not a real person,but it's just something there
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that can kind of maybe keep yoursecret or just share something
that you need to get out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It helps in so many, so many different ways.
So, absolutely So.
I know you collect MonsterHigh's.
How many Monster High dolls doyou have?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
As of my last documentary, like the third part
that's coming out, i am missing20 dolls.
So I have Like I don't evenknow the specific number, but at
least like 1500 at Monster HighDolls.
Not all of them are out here, idon't have the space for that,
but I out of the first wave ofdolls I believe there's
something of like 500 Gen 1Monster High Dolls And I won't
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announce how many I have of that, but I'm very close And then
between Gen 2, they actuallyproduced, i want to say like 300
Dolls in Gen 2.
And have the newer generation.
So there's a ton of MonsterHigh Dolls and I get doubles of
them.
I get ones from thrift stores,yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, i have a ton.
You have a ton, i know you havea ton, so how is your right?
What are the collections thatyou have besides the Monster
High?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I also collect Brats.
I still have a couple of Brats.
I've decided to shift from outof box collecting as much and
I've been getting in box dollsSo I've been buying more in box
Brats.
I do have a couple Barbies.
I really love the Mark Raidencollection that they just
released in the Guaope So I ownthat doll.
I do still like Disney Dolls.
I'll get like the collectorones.
I will say, as it's interesting, that as I've aged up, i do
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lean more towards the adultcollector dolls versus the
online.
Okay, i would say like I wasgetting more of a variety, but I
am trying to be more mindful oflike am I really going to
display this or use this in someway, or am I just going to like
is it going to end up in a bin?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
You're trying to be a little bit more discerning,
right, yeah, of your collection,right, i get that Definitely.
So you did say something aboutyour documentary, so share a
little bit about yourdocumentary and why you started
that.
I think it's great, but justshare a little bit about that.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I decided to do a doll documentary because when I
was watching YouTube contentspecifically of the doll niche,
i wasn't seeing that format ofstorytelling anywhere And I
wanted to do something thatwasn't depicting doll collectors
as crazy hoarders, because Ithink that most of the time,
what you see right Because likewhen it's docus style.
(15:24):
I've worked on like theproducing side of things.
My old management used to docasting for reality shows, so
they play things up.
So when I was seeing itcommonly, doll collectors were
commonly depicted on TV andreality TV It was as though they
were hoarders or they didn'tmake good decisions for
themselves.
So their homes were just filledwith dolls and we had no space
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for anything else.
And I wanted to show what beinga doll collector really looks
like.
And I think it's not a monolith.
Everybody's different, but mostof my friends who are doll
collectors keep their dollsreally neat.
It looks more like home decor.
It's really demure.
So, like my display, i get tonsof compliments on it.
So the point of doing adocumentary was to let people in
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on what it looked like to be adoll collector.
And the hook really was likecompleting my Monster High
collection, because I know thatmost of my audience are also
Monster High collectors.
But I wanted to show peoplelike the questions that I could
ask So how do I afford all mydolls?
Where do I get the dolls?
Since Monster High the oldergenerations are becoming harder
to find.
Where can you get access tothat?
(16:27):
And then also the emotionalaspect of doll collecting is a
huge part of my life becauseit's also my work at least 80%
But there's also other aspectsthat tie into this.
So when I am going to eventswith Mattel, what is the
emotions like?
Like, am I feeling anxious?
Did I go through something?
What is it like with my family?
What is my family dynamic?
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Because I think it's one thingto talk about it, but it's
another thing to see it, and Ithink the power of docu-style
storytelling is that it reallymakes people feel things in a
different way.
I feel like it just hits adifferent part of your brain
that allows you to digest andreally see like, oh okay, this
person's an actual human being.
So I wanted to normalize thatdoll collectors are just human
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beings.
It's a hobby that allows us toexpress ourselves and get
through things, and I think thatit hopefully showcases to
people who may not be dollcollectors to see that for me,
dolls a lot of my identity iswrapped up in dolls, but in a
way that's really healthy andhelpful and creative And, i
think, conducive to the world.
(17:29):
I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think you're so right.
I think you're so on point withthat, Because I think everybody
has that perception right Thateven if not doll collectors,
just collectors in general, thatthey're crazy or they want to
go out and spend all their money, They don't know how to handle
certain things because they'reso.
But it's not always that Andkudos to you really for
showcasing that, to finding away to be able to tell that
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story And the way that sayinghey, just come in and look at
the life of a doll collector,This is like you said.
This is Yes, this made me mylife.
It may not be everybody else's,but I want you to know that
this life exists and I'm a dollcollector And we do the same
thing that you do.
Right, we have to make thosedecisions, whether to buy this
or buy that, or it's just partof life And I think that's great
(18:15):
, that you're doing that andbeing able to share your story
as well.
So it also gives anotheropportunity for younger people,
too, to look at you and say he'sa doll collector, this is what
I wanted to do, but feeling badbecause that's what they wanted
to do.
Now they can look at you andsay, well, oh well, this is how
it can be done.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's been the number one comment that I've
received over the entirety of myplatform is I constantly get
messages from kids commentingsaying you're the reason that
I'm allowed to collect dolls, orI really want to collect dolls
but my grandma won't let me, orjust different stories that are
kind of similar and mesh in thesame narrative.
So I wanted to show also Ithink it's unfortunate and I
kind of resent that I have toexplain it this way But the way
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that I was able to convince someof my family members who were
not so happy that I like dollsso much was that I was making
money from it And becauseYouTube was a career for me.
When people see that it's likeokay, well, in this way it can't
be Like how can you argue withsomebody making their bag Right?
So in that way, on YouTube, ithink that kids are able to show
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family members this content andkind of say, but look, it could
also be a career, like it canturn into something else.
And I try to talk about how,even if it wasn't dolls, there's
so much that I learned withdolls, because I mean basically
to the point that we werespeaking of earlier, as to why
dolls are important to kids.
I also did learn a lot aboutHair styling.
I learned about video editing.
I learned about animation,because I was using dolls as the
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tool to do that.
So in that way, i think that itwas important for me to
showcase that, if, for thepeople who feel like You know,
it's crazy or weird or a wasteof time to have dolls, it can
also be Very lucrative.
So we can't deny that it'sstill a fact that you know
creating dolls can also make youa lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, and I mean it's so funny
that you said that, because Ialways asked you know Most of
the people who want to come onthis show can you make a living
doing what you do?
And obviously that that's.
That's happened very well foryou to be able to do that.
And a lot of times I'll sharewith people the podcast.
And the first thing that's likewell, okay, that's a doll
podcast.
(20:24):
You know, like I Don't collectall that's right, i don't
collect dolls, I don't do this.
But what I try to get them tosee is that there's so many
levels and nuances in the dollcommunity And there's so many
people out there doing amazingwork Whether it's creating a
dollar, styling a dollar,repainting a dollar, doing
videos that they I just wantthem to see the Opportunities
(20:44):
that are still out there forpeople to get into that space.
They may be creative and neverthought about Oh, i could do
this in the doll community, butbecause they could get to see
these people.
But you're right, i mean theyfirst look at it and think, what
, what do I need to know about adoll?
the dog community I don't buydolls, or whatever it is, but
it's so much more than that.
You know It's like the doll isso much more than just the doll.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Absolutely.
I think it's.
It's amazing that you're alsodoing this and creating platform
for doll collectors to sharetheir own narrative and Expose
ourselves to more, more peoplewho, like you were saying, don't
necessarily Understand thetears and levels in depth of the
doll community.
And I really like I think it'samazing that you were doing this
, because I feel They're solittle out there about that,
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about, like, how there are sucha diverse range of people in
this community exploring.
That is so cool to me.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Oh, thank you, Thank you so much.
I mean I just I just love whatyou do too, because I just love
how you share your story, thethings that you go through.
You know, talk about the dolls.
You have a vast, you have avast knowledge of dolls.
So let me ask you about that,because I'm so interested in
that, because you know, mostpeople will collect the dollar
and they'll say, okay, i knowthe manufacturer and always
where it was made and thingslike that.
But you, you, you, so indeed,to the characters, the people,
(21:57):
everybody, where did that, wheredid that come from with it,
that start for you.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know, it's really .
It's interesting because Ithink there's certain things
that I try to learn, like math,and I'm like I don't know what
is going on right now Can'tdance, give me a one, two, three
, four, five, six, seven, eight.
I don't know what's going on,but when it comes to dolls, that
information just sticks, forwhatever reason.
I think probably I am reallyinto psychology, so I'm gonna
(22:23):
just put out some pseudosciencecould be just a theory is maybe
because dolls are so safe for me, my brain is able to really
absorb that information in a waythat Is going to stay and it's
gonna be more, more permanentand tangible than something that
makes me feel more nervous orawkward or anxious, like dancing
.
And so for me, because I alsomake the living off of dolls, i
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Started up my YouTube channel asit is today, in 2020, over the
pandemic.
So I had management at that timewho was pushing me more to do
like skincare and beauty.
But I was tired about like Idon't, i don't know anything
about makeup.
I love to transform myself withmakeup, but people ask me all
the time like, do you want to doyour own makeup line?
Like no, i don't know anythingabout makeup.
I don't know.
(23:09):
I don't care about theingredients.
I love using it, but whereaswith dolls I want to know
everything, like I want to knowwhat type of plastic are we
using, what type of hair is this?
How do you, what are thesetechniques, what are the
technical terms, the way thatsome people feel about makeup,
and I Decided to make that thatshift over 2020, and that
(23:30):
allowed me to learn more aboutthe doll, the doll industry,
because my channel becamefocused on Being a platform
where people would get thatinformation because it's really
not.
It's not super accessible.
I'm still learning things allthe time about different terms
that are used, differenttechniques, why things are how
they are, but I think it justit's one of those things that
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came really naturally to me, orat least feels like it comes
really naturally to me Whythat's why I Know, because I was
like, why is so knowledgeable?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It's just amazing.
I'm so always learning aboutdolls.
You've got have been in thedoll Space.
I made my own doll, but still Ionly knew that much right to
make a doll.
And then I and I broke awayfrom the doll business and then
When I started to think aboutpodcasting, as I started
podcasting, i was like, yeah,it's a great medium, you know,
to showcase all the people thatI met.
You know why people don't knowabout these people.
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Who was beyond me and Irealized they weren't dolls on
the shelf And that's what allpeople knew.
But I wanted to show them, thepeople that were not, that
didn't have dolls on the shelf,and and the Community that they
were that they were in, and so Itotally understand that.
So when you, when you firststarted YouTube channel, you
were just showcasing dolls orwere you just, or you were doing
makeup or you were doing bothat the same time when you first
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started.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So when I first started, it was just the dolls.
It was up until 2014.
So 2014 shifted from dolls todoing both and then I would say
around 2017 is when it becamejust doing makeup.
There might have been a dollvideo here and there, but it was
very, very rare.
And in 2018 I signed with themanagement company and They
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Basically didn't want anythingto do with dolls.
They didn't necessarilyexplicitly say that, but it was
alluded to and they would neverwant Like they would never push
for me to work with dollcompanies.
So in 2018 it was all beautyfocused and I was really on a
trajectory of being like aquote-unquote Mainstream beauty
guru type person.
Like I was walking red carpets,i met Lady Gaga, i did a music
(25:26):
video with Shawn Mendes like itwas all very mainstream stuff,
but none of it.
I mean, of course I love thatlike don't get me wrong and I
feel very blessed to have donethose things But my true passion
was dolls and the fact that Iwas being pushed in this
direction.
That didn't really feel like me.
I just took a step back.
So it kind of has been all overthe place, been a journey, but
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it started with dolls and nowit's full circle back.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So go back to dolls, right.
That's really really cool.
I, i love it.
I know you said you're verymuch into psychology, so, and I
did find it that you were acrisis counselor as well.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Because you're not okay.
How old are you?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I'm 23.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I know I look really young.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, I always joke that it's.
It's the Botox.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't think that's the truth, but I just think you
just you just have a really,really young face And I think
that's wonderful to have right.
but being a crisis counselor,how did you get into that?
How did that come about for you?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So I, because I am the youngest of six, i Went
through a lot of therapy in mytime as a kid, mm-hmm, and I
really it.
That is something that alsocame really naturally to me.
So at 12, i remember going to alot of group therapy and I
would have peers in these groupsBe like I wish you were just my
therapist, because I really Idon't know why, but I really
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grasped the concept of activelistening and empathy.
So I, in 2019, there was amoment where I was going through
a bit of a crisis and my ex atthe time sent me the number to
crisis text line, which is a.
It's a text line that's anonprofit organization.
It's free to text us.
And I texted in and I found itto be I think, honestly, it was
(27:15):
more so the fact that my ex,like thought to send this to me.
That was meaningful.
But when I texted in and I feltlike I was being supported, i
really liked the idea of beingable to support people through
text, because I'm naturallybetter at writing than I am at
speaking.
So I looked into crisis textline and I ended up working with
them and doing a podcast withthem, with Stacy London, who was
(27:36):
on what not to wear and wetalked a little bit about my
mental health struggles and thethings that I went through
growing up.
That led me to the point ofbeing a crisis counselor, and I
did it all through crisis textline.
So I became a crisis counselorthrough crisis text line.
Just because of my passion andbecause of what I went through,
i felt like I was able to reallyunderstand the people who were
(27:56):
texting in or people on day today levels of what I'm going
through.
I get what that's like.
So I just wanted to be there tosupport.
I feel like I constantly say Idon't feel like anybody should
be alone, like nobody deservesto feel that feeling, and I
think if I have the ability tospeak in ways that make people
feel less alone, then I'm goingto do that?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, you're going to do that, and do you bring that
part of you?
I mean, i know it's a part ofyou.
So the answer is probably yes,but do you bring that part of
you in the documentary whenyou're talking about your dolls
and all the challenges that youhave, or you just leave that
separately?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh, absolutely No.
I, especially in the secondpart I talk a lot about the
relationship I had with my exand how that it was really
tumultuous relationship, let'sjust say that.
So I did talk about it more inthe documentary.
But I was really dissociativeand I was doing some of the
grandest things I feel of mycareer just because I'm so
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passionate about dolls.
So anything doll related isreally really special to me.
And I got to go on a tour ofMattel's factory as they were
introduced to Monster Generation.
I got to go to the Monster Highmovie premiere and in that in
the documentary I talked abouthow I was really dissociative
during those times.
I enjoyed it, like inretrospect, but in those moments
my head was somewhere else,like I felt like I wasn't
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grounded.
I was thinking about how my dadhad just passed away two years
ago, so that was Sorry to hearthat.
Sorry, thank you.
Yeah, it was.
It was really hard So.
And then I had to do all ofthis performance, which is
really what it felt more likewhen I did these things.
It didn't.
It no longer felt like, oh myGod, how lucky am I to be doing
this.
It felt more like, ok, i haveto perform and I have to look
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really good to these brands andcompanies that I work with and
pretend like I'm not goingthrough a breakup.
My dad didn't just pass awaylike my family is completely
fine.
I do touch on that.
And the third part kind ofpulls that all together, like
how I, how I get through that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
And I think that I think that's great.
And I think the fact that youcombine it with, like, part of
you that is the dog collectorright, the part of you that is
you know a male growing up in a,you know an environment where
people freak out about menhaving dolls and boys having
dolls, you know and also tryingto deal with your own sexuality
and who you are as a person andgrowing, i think that's really a
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great and amazing combinationbecause it just allows so many
people in, not just a dogcollector, it's not just it's so
many facets, and I think youjust allow all those people in
to watch that journey and toconnect with you, because
everybody goes through a lot ofthings in life And I think that
you're saying, hey, this is,yeah, these are things that you
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go through, regardless of whereyou're at and who you are.
And you know, i want you to,you know, actually enjoy this
story too and come along with me.
Why are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, i think that the waythat I always create content,
the way that I consume it So ifI don't like watching something,
I'm not going to createsomething that I wouldn't like
to watch the way that I watchthings and the way that I
connect with other creators orcelebrities, what have you is,
when I identify with whatthey're saying, i'm like, oh my
God, that's so me.
(30:59):
So I decided I wanted to putmyself out there in a way that
is really authentic, becausethen it'll it'll attract the
people who relate to that, andthey're like oh my God, this is
so me.
Or like I didn't have a termfor what I was experiencing, but
now that I see someone elsegoing through it, this is what I
was going through.
So, that's that big part of whyI wanted to do that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That's very cool.
I love it.
I just love, i love what you'redoing out there and I just love
what you're doing out there.
So it's so awesome.
So I watched your videos.
They are, they're amazing Andthe editing is phenomenal.
You know, i have to maybe Ihave to take a lesson from you
but throw some stuff in betweenthe shows.
(31:38):
But so you said before I knowyou mentioned in another
interview, you were talkingabout that you, your past videos
, were more scripted And nowyou're moving away from that.
And why is that?
Why do you?
why you don't want to use ascript anymore.
Sometimes I wish I had one, butyou know yeah, i go back and
forth, i think that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
I still use a bit of the scripted aspect.
So, because I'm doing almostlike a newscast and I'm
reporting on news information, ican't be completely unscripted.
But I think it was reallydifficult for me when I'm
Reading the script to.
This is literally the reasonwhy it's for me to read the
script and then try to repeat itAnd I would just be doing it
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over and over and over because Icould not remember what I wrote
.
I'm a lot more concise and youremove a lot of the ums and the
like.
Like, oh my god, like I removea lot of that by doing a script,
but you lose a lot of thepersonality as well, and I think
that by doing it non scripted,a lot of my audience is like oh,
they love How much of mypersonality they're able to see.
And the youtubers that, again,the way that I create is based
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on what I watch, and theyoutubers that I've been
watching lately do unscriptedcontent.
They're still reporting on news, so I like to.
I I watch a lot of like doll andentertainment news.
I don't really watch like newsnews for those creators They are
doing unscripted and getting tosee so much of their
personality, i was like, oh,maybe I should do that because I
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this is what I like to watch,so that's why I did to start.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, basically just shows who you are.
Yeah, i think that's so much,that's so much better, i think,
because I do believe when you'rescripted, sometimes it limits
your personality.
Yeah, definitely, you know,that's, that's kind of what I
found, but but of course, whenyou're not scripted you're like
Oh my gosh, i can't believe.
I said that.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
For sure I think there's more, there's more room
for criticism being non scripted, yeah, but again, i I live by
the idea of like and notnecessarily in a way of For
shock value, but I believe inbeing polarizing in the way that
that will magnetize and bringthe people who are attracted to
you and the people who Naturallywould gravitate towards what
(33:45):
you're saying and believe andagree with what you're saying.
So, as opposed to just sayingsomething that'll please
everybody, right, rather do,that's more authentic to me.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, you know, let me tell you, if there's nothing
else, you are definitelyauthentic.
So, thank you.
I've watched some of yourvideos and like, wow, okay, but
I, but I just I love your styleand think that's because I do
like, i do like people justbeing.
You know, i guess once youlearn who you are, then she's
show who you are and I thinkthat And it's all a journey and
(34:16):
I think people need tounderstand that too.
It's all a journey, no matterif you, if you get up in the
morning, say, oh, you're soamazing, that's wonderful, but
you know what you still have to.
It's still a journey just toeven say that to yourself.
I mean so you know, becausewhen you look sometimes you
don't feel amazing, you know,and it's like and it's, and
that's okay too, but you have tojust, you know, figure out how,
(34:37):
how to live with both of those,both of those people.
Yeah definitely Yeah, and Ithink you do.
I think you do really great inshowcasing that And and in
showcasing in the documentary,because I think the documentary
really is a place where you canbe creative And and it allows
you to have so many differentoutlets.
You know, whether you're so, orwhether you are makeup artists,
(35:00):
whether your hair style is Imean, you can do so many things,
yes, with your dolls, as wellas having it there as a source
of you know, companionship in away.
I think you bring all thoseaspects into everything that you
do and I want to say thank youso much for doing that And the
document.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Thank you, you just made my day.
I'm gonna go, i'm gonna walk soso high this day with my head
held high all day, because youreally did height me up like I
feel so good right now.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Thank you, Hey, you know, i'm just, i can only be me
too.
You know, i can only, i canonly be me too.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
You are radiant though.
Oh, like you're at you.
Oh, good Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Oh, thank you so much .
I really appreciate that.
I really do so.
Yes, just show again.
Thank you for being on the show.
I really appreciate you, butit's anything else you really
want to share with us before you.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Everybody always says this.
It's such a cliche, but thereis something very, very exciting
coming up.
It's Monster High related Andthere's also other doll related
things.
I am gonna be involved withsomething with Barbie Not the
Barbie thing, isn't?
I don't want to hype it up toomuch for people like, oh my god,
are you in the movie?
No, but there there's someexciting things in the pipelines
(36:13):
with with everyone's favoritefavorite doll brands that I will
just mention briefly.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, all right, all right, All right, that's all we
get.
Okay, that's fine, i have towatch.
I thought you're gonna sharesome breaking news, or in the
dark world.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It will be.
I think it definitely will beonce I'm allowed to share those
things.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Not a problem, just share what people can find you
at, because that's that's reallyimportant.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, that'd be great can find me on YouTube at
Claudina 9, on Instagram at MamaDina official, or if you just
type in Claudina you'll find me,and on tick tock at Claudina,
and that's CLAW like the nails.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Nice, very nice.
Claudina, thank you so much.
I'm so excited that you joinedus here in the dark world.
You're amazing and I'm so, i'mso excited to see where you're
going with, with, what you doReally.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Thank you having me.
I can't wait.
I can't wait to listen to this.
Yes, and watch it, it's gonnabe great.
I Can talk with you all day.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I know we can, we really can.
I'm excited about that.
So thank you so much for beingon in the dark world.
I really, really appreciate it.
Everybody knows what they canfind you and again, i'm so
excited for your journey.
I cannot wait to see where yousee where you're gonna be going
and, and I'm excited that peopleto get to know you and know
about you and get an opportunityto you know, go along with you
(37:35):
and your journey.
So thank you so much for beingyou really Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I really appreciate that You're so welcome.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Okay, bye everybody.
Thank you so much for watchingin the dark world.
Bye guys, bye.
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