December 12, 2024 • 36 mins
Could your shortcut to health be paving the way for long-term setbacks? This episode of Coach's Corner examines the allure of detoxes, fasting, and cleanses, providing a reality check on their effectiveness and sustainability. We dissect why these quick fixes often captivate those caught in the "when-then" fallacy, offering tempting but temporary paths to health. With our expertise as nutritionists and fitness experts, we parallel these methods with the disciplined habits of those who maintain consistent fitness. We explore the psychological appeal of symbolic starts and hard resets, emphasizing the necessity of embedding new habits to ensure enduring success post-detox.
Diet fads and their charming promises—especially those marketed at women—are under the microscope next. We scrutinize the packaging and promises that make these health cleanses irresistible, while also acknowledging the skepticism surrounding their longevity. Are these flashy solutions merely mirages, evaporating without lasting lifestyle changes? Listen as we compare them to steady practices like calorie tracking and debate the role of education in diet decisions. From keto to calorie counting, we stress the importance of informed choices and sustainable approaches to health and wellness.
Finally, we draw a parallel between the journey of healthy lifestyle changes and financial recovery. Just as climbing out of debt requires long-term commitment, so does maintaining weight loss and fitness. We discuss how small, consistent changes—like choosing low-calorie alternatives—can lead to significant, lasting results. Our conversation also touches on the societal challenges that complicate weight management, reminding us of the personal responsibility and self-awareness needed to navigate these waters. As we celebrate our 42nd episode, we thank you for your support and look forward to continuing this journey with you.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Coach's Corner, episode 42.
I am your host, justin Scolard,and I am Ethan Wolfe, and today,
folks, we're going to betalking about a subject near and
dear to many people's heartsout there, and that is detoxes,
fasting and cleanses.
We have, we have our opinion onthis kind of thing, as you can
imagine, and so what we're goingto do today is just kind of
like digging a little bit deeperinto, like, I think, the
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psychology of it, of just likewhy one what would have to
happen leading up to doing somesort of like a juice cleanse or
a detox, like the idea of whatyou're going to get from that
detox or cleanse, and then justkind kind of comparing and
contrasting that with you knowwhat people actually do who have
already accomplished that levelof fitness that these folks are
trying to achieve, and sort ofmaybe trying to bridge that gap
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a little bit, to find some wayto find balance and keep
perspective and all that goodstuff.
So anyways, in case you don'tknow who we are, we have been
nutritionists, trainers, fitnessexperts for the last 20 years
each I currently own a businessonline where we help people lose
weight, get organized, getaccountability and structure.
Ethan has a facility in personhere in Los Angeles where he
does similar stuff, and so wecome together on this podcast to
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just, you know, basically justhave like a real honest chat
with two professionals in theindustry to like help distill
some of these myths andconfusions and just kind of keep
you guys in the right path.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And so distilled is such a good word.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, and so today, you know we're chatting about
these popular cleanses anddetoxes that seem prevalent in
our society especially thosethat are kind of in that realm a
little bit of paying attentionto health and fitness.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know, some people just don't do it at all, but I
think there's kind of like thisI find this very middle ground
where people pay attention totheir health.
Maybe they exercise, get to acertain place and then they're
like, oh, this will be an answer.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Like job's done, mission accomplished.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I just got my five days of bone broth in.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, just got to get that five-day bone broth
cleanse in and then like I'mgood, yeah know, the common
denominator between people whostruggle is just this fit and
start, sort of when then?
Fallacy, like well, when I havemore time then I'll get around
to it.
When I have more money, thenI'll pay for a program when I
you name your thing right, andthat's just the trap.
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You're going to start next weekwhen of course we know that
that's probably not going tohappen.
So I think that's what's reallyappealing about these like
detoxes and juice cleanse orwhatever is because it's such a
short period of time thatpromises so much result that it
almost like accesses this typeof person who is seeking, who
may be stuck in that.
When then fallacy.
But like this seems like a verylow bar entry point to start
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something, and there's likesatisfaction on just starting,
of course, but then of course,like how does that actually
integrate into any sort oflong-term sustainable program?
And I think that's really thebig thing, you know, like what
happens after it's over.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
It's, you know, it's ratherthan kind of picking apart
what's happening to get you tothe place where you feel like
you need to make a change.
You just kind of go into thisvery stark contrast.
But you know, and for thepeople I talk to about it it's
very I ask them always like okay, what's the deal afterwards?
Like you know that, justbusiness as usual?
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Is there any paying attentionto what you might do differently
afterwards?
So it is interesting and I, youknow, and again I don't, I
think we both honored kind ofthe emotional mental components
of like a hard reset, almostlike new year's, right, like
obviously new year's is justkind of the emotional mental
components of like a hard reset,almost like New Year's, right,
like obviously New Year's isjust kind of this cultural swing
into doing something different.
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But there is some type of powerin the whole country of the
Western American world beinglike now's the time to get fit
right.
There is kind of like a wave Ithink you can catch and I think
that kind of microcosmsmacrocosms that like yeah, like
a hard reset can help shift yourmental gears, create a little
discipline.
So it's not like there's novalue in terms of just behavior
modification or maybe gettingyou started on a path, but most
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of the time the follow-up isn'tanything different than what was
happening before.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, and it's also like the people who tend to do
these type of things.
It's not like this, their firsttime with this stuff.
It tends to be like repeatcustomers with these like juice
cleanses and detoxes and stuff,and it's like I don't know.
I just think that it's just anidea that somehow, some way,
this is going to fundamentallyshift this like psychological
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pattern that I've been in forhow many years?
And this time might bedifferent.
And, to your point, like theremight be some value in having
like the symbolic start right.
Well, I'm committing to this 10days and the hope is that that
10 days will then translate tolike a real habit now and like
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real lifestyle shift.
But, of course, a problem withthat approach is that when you
start something extreme, there'sno runway.
Where do you go from there?
And to like regress back downto just like counting calories
almost feels like you're takinga step back, right.
It's like I find that it's theopposite, where, instead of
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starting at a 10, meaning likeyou're doing Whole30 and you've
cut out dairy, you've cut outwheat, you've cut out sugar,
you've cut out everything andyou're journaling every morning
and doing all these crazy thingsInstead of starting at a 10 and
then burning out after a monthdown to a 1 because you go.
Well, that's not sustainable andit just creates this like very
volatile sort of duality in yourmind, where it's like the only
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way I know how to see result isthrough these really extreme
efforts and there's no middleground, where it's like either
I'm eating like whatever'saround or I'm just quote unquote
trying to make good foodchoices, but like the numbers
don't lie and I'm gaining weightevery year.
I'm just quote unquote trying tomake good food choices but like
the numbers don't lie and I'mgaining weight every year.
Or I do these like crazyextreme detoxes and cleanses
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where, yeah, I lose, you know,five or 10 pounds of like
undigested food in my stomachand water weight, but there's no
like reintegration and likenormalcy of just like what is?
What does that actually looklike for you?
Indefinitely now, though, yeah,and so it just sends me the
same kind of people that justkeep repeating this.
It's almost like analogous tolike um, you know people who
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like, like, maybe like serialmonogamous or something, like
people who just like kind ofrush into relationships too fast
and like it's the same personyou're dating.
It's a different reincarnationof the same person.
Like you didn't learn yourlesson the first time right
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I think a lot of it is going to be based around
intent.
I think we're coming from againa perspective of weight loss
and fitness, and so I thinkparticularly in weight loss is
where I see most of this and Ihonor that.
Fasting has tremendous benefitand value on a physiological
level.
There's no doubt about it.
Whether that's long-termcalorie restriction or 24 hour
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fast, like, there are benefits.
It's good for the body, you canreset your gut biome, which can
help with mental states, andjust you know there there is a
slew of benefit, I think, todoing a fast.
I think it's been part of ourhuman physiology for almost as
long as we've been around untilrecently.
So it's one of those things.
For me.
A lot of it's like what is theintent?
Because I have a lot of respectfor fasting.
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I think it's awesome, I thinkit has tremendous benefit.
I'm not necessarily throwingthe baby out with the bathwater.
For me of just like fasting isjust stupid or has no value, but
I think again, it's like whatis the intent?
Why are you doing the fasting?
And I think that from theperspective of losing weight or
changing your body compositionor losing fat, it's just really
not the best way to gono-transcript, being like oh, I
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have 30 pounds to lose, so I'mgoing to choose fasting as a
route of losing 30 pounds.
That's when I'm kind of likelike what you know, that might
not be the best path forwardlike, why do you yeah, exactly
why do you think that that'sgoing to help?
And I think fasting isinteresting.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Or cleanses Fasting almost feels more, I guess, like
spiritual or something than itdoes weight loss oriented.
I think there's like practicingrestraint, denying yourself of
your comforts just to keepyourself grounded.
You know, I think there's a lotof value in that.
(08:29):
I mean like there's, there'syou know, that's been around for
a long time just as like amental exercise.
No, but I think that like,specifically, we live, we just
live in this day and age wherethere's just this like really
polished, branded industryaround you know these like
detoxes, cleanses, and I thinkthat's where it starts to become
(08:50):
like what do you think you'recleansing exactly here?
Right, like case in point?
Right, we have friends, they're, they're no strangers, these
things and the packaging on thisstuff is insane.
Yeah, I mean like they, theyreally went to like world-class
marketers and like just the mostbeautiful design whole story of
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you know the founder and howthey, you know, said all this
journey of self-discoverythrough.
Like their this, this specificcleanse, and like it's all you
know, if it's targeted towardswomen, it's like the right
language and the fonts and thecolors and the bot and the
unboxing of it all, and each dayis like you know, bone broth or
whatever it might be, is likehas like a little story and a
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symbol behind it, and you'relike damn that is very, that is
very attractive.
Yeah, and it's like you just getbought in this belief that,
after this many days of the teasand the and the powders and the
bone broth or whatever thatlike that's going to make some
fundamental shift in your health, that you're going to be able
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to like carry on indefinitely.
And I just think that, like,I'm just so not a believer in
that.
Like I look at it, I'm justlike, but of course, and it's
like the archetype of like, theperson who would buy that.
It's like god, I hate to soundjudgmental, but of course,
you're the one that like isgonna buy that right, like but
this isn't the first time, youknow, and it's like gosh, come
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on, like I get it.
It's, it sounds perfect.
It's like the.
It's like is this the magicpill that I've been looking for
my whole life, right?
Or is just this another versionof me looking for a quick fix
versus like doing the, doing theone thing that I actually
probably haven't done longenough to see noticeable change,
which is track your calories,just yes, pay attention to what
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you eat in some fundamental way.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
and again, there you know the infinite shades of gray
in the world, like somebody whoI think there's 50, 50, yeah, I
, yeah, I guess that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, but I think you know, in the grand scheme of
things, somebody who doesn't payattention to what they're
eating in a general sense anddoes a five-day bone broth
cleanse every two months, Istill think is going to be
better off than somebody whodoes nothing.
I do think in some capacitythere's at least some form of
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calorie restriction which isgoing to have benefits to the
body, whether or not it actuallychanges the needle on their
composition over a year's periodof time.
I do think I'd rather somebodydo a five-day bone broth cleanse
every two or three months thando nothing.
I guess you know I still thinkthere's value there, there is.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean I don't know, I don't know, I just I, because
it's like but that's also butthat's also assuming like the
person just gets back to eatingthe same amount of food they
were beforehand.
When typically what we find isthat without like a real
conscious effort, then ourbodies have a great way of
refeeding whatever deficit we'vecreated in the previous week.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I just think it's like anything's better than
nothing, I guess is the man issome kind of mentality like I'd
rather somebody take a walk oncea week than never walk at all.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I say I say let's let the numbers tell us what's
actually happening.
And like if, if, if let's justsay case study a or subject a in
this example, like maybe everytwo months they did a five-day
juice cleanse or detox orwhatever and like over the
course of a year they were downfive pounds.
I'd be on board that okay.
So they found a way to loselike a half a pound a month by
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you know these something andthat'd be cool.
But typically that's not thecase.
Typically it's like you know,these people who every quarter
have a panic attack and theylook in the mirror, they see
pictures themselves out.
The group of friends are like,ah, that's it, this is it, I
gotta all right.
And then the next thing theyfind is the next juice cleanse
or whatever.
And they do it for a week orwhatever, but the year after
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year it just keeps getting worseand worse and worse, and it
statistically people who arejust doing these things aren't
getting better every year, Ithink there's.
So I don't know.
That's where I guess I tend todisagree, just because I don't
know.
I just have so many calls withpeople and I'll always ask them
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what have you done?
And so many of them it's thatit's like I did that and I'll
always ask them what have youdone?
And so many of them it's thatit's like ah, I did that and I
did this.
And it's all these like diets,like the Stanford diet or the
EKG diet or these one-off kindof yeah, they're all like
they're all some, you know thesame package in different
wrappers.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Right, well, and that's I think.
I think almost every.
I mean outside of somethinglike or or carnivore, where
you're eliminating a completefood group as some type of route
of intent.
I think that most of the dietsare fundamentally barking up the
same tree of just like healthyfood choices.
Yeah, you know, I mean every.
Every diet is just likebalanced food eat a fruit, eat a
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vegetable, no Complexcarbohydrates that's stupid.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Whole grains.
I can just get a colonic andthen I'll just juice cleanse for
a week and then finish it outwith a nice colonic and then
back to some.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Dave's Hot Chicken.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Boom and that fucking Dave's.
Hot Chicken and some chickenand waffles?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and I think I guess for me like that's what I
was kind of saying with intentof you know, I don't think keto
is bad.
I think keto can have healthbenefits for, again, resetting
gut biome and helping withcertain things.
If you're doing it for thatreason, like there has been,
there is studies showing thatketo can have health benefits
for how your body operates andcertain things.
But again, for body composition, I just don't see keto as a
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good answer because it's notsustainable and all of the
reasons.
And I think, again, it's likethe intent for me of almost like
education, because if peoplewere going to say to me I'm
doing keto because I feel like Ihave SIBO small intestinal
bacterial overgrowth and I needto remove all carbohydrate from
my diet in order to, like,rebalance my gut health, it's a
real thing Like SIBO is alegitimate thing.
(14:32):
Yeah, basically it's like Neverheard of it.
C-po is a legitimate thing.
Yeah, basically it's like Neverheard of it.
Yeah, it's basically where,like, basically, there is an
imbalance in the bacterialovergrowth and then that
bacterial overgrowth goes up thecolon and into the small
intestine and not your mouth andnot your mouth.
And it's where a lot of peoplewill get like bloating if they
eat carbohydrates and you see,like the big distended belly and
like this, like unnatural, likegas production and stuff like
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that, and a lot of time it alsois treated with antibiotics and
you kind of can get in the swingbecause then that disrupts the
biome and it's this whole thing.
And so it's like for somebodycame to me and said I have sebo,
which is a documented,legitimate thing, and they're
like I'm going to do keto for 30days to reset my gut biome so
that I can eat carbohydrates andnot be in pain, and something
like that.
Like I'm like, okay, cool, ifthat makes sense to me, there's
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proper intent, but you know, ifyou're choosing to go on
carnivore to lose 50 pounds,it's just.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
It's just a very silly route to me how I mean,
what percentage of people who doketo is because they got
diagnosed with SIBO, like youknow what I mean.
Like that, that's like afraction of a percent of it is
very small people are, just likeyou know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's what I'm saying it's uneducated decision
making for a goal that isn'tgoing to be fulfilled by the
path they're taking, but theythink it is.
And it's just to me that'swhere I get crushed, because
there's just, there's just even.
There's just even no plan, likeif you wanted to do keto or do
a whole 30, and, as you're doingthat, you're formulating a plan
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for normal behaviormodification, using the big
reset to kind of create thediscipline and create the
restriction, so that taking thestep forward into being able to
eat more food or different foodsthan you're eating, but just in
some type of controlled fashion, like so be it, but people,
just, there is no planafterwards.
It's just, it's this, it's the,it's the blanket that gets
pulled over.
Yeah, and again it's.
(16:16):
You know, I went out to afriend's birthday and her
brother was there and we wereeating Thai food and he was on
keto or he's on carnivorecarnivore, yeah, which, again,
it's like.
Carnivore is like such a newthing, it's such a fad, it's
such a little like identity cult, like, oh, I'm going to, oh, I
can only eat the meats, and it'sgreat, you know.
And he's talking about eatinglike a half stick of butter and
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a steak for a meal.
It was Atkins, then it was Paleo, then it was Keto and now it's
carnivore, you know and it'sjust like, and I'm just like,
you're not like what happenswhen you've, let's say, you do
lose 30 pounds on carnivore andthen like what?
then?
It's almost like it's going tobite you in the ass, because now
you're used to eating fattymeats and half a pound of bacon
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in a sitting and butter, andthen, well, now I don't have to,
now I'm coming off of it andI'm used to these crazy fatty
meats and practices, but now I'mgoing to let rice and tortillas
or bread back in, you know, andit's almost like the odds of
continuing some food behaviorsthat won't serve you when you
just add more calories behaviorsthat won't serve you.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
When you just add more calories, you know way like
the only reason why you wouldlose 30 pounds.
After, of course, you just loseall your water weight from
removing carbohydrate.
But once you've removed allyour water and glycogen levels
and everything, yeah, let's justsay of the 30 pounds you lost,
maybe 10 of it, 15 of it was fat.
The rest was some form of waterweight or glycogen a little
muscle because you're not eatingcarbs.
Then you know, at the end of theday, the only reason why you
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would actually lose that fat wasbecause, by removing the
carbohydrate, you were able toput yourself into a calorie
deficit.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Calorie deficit yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But you know if you're eating ribeyes and half
sticks of butter, you know theaverage person only burns 2,500
calories a day.
One ribeye, one like regular,regular size, one pound ribeye,
is a thousand calories easy,yeah, and so you know, and that
could be one meal for a guy,yeah, so you have, you have.
You know that with some butterand bacon and eggs and all this
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shit, I mean you're you're at3000 calories in a fucking blink
of an eye.
Yeah, 100%.
And you're in a calorie surplusand so, even though you've
removed carbohydrates, you'veeaten 500 calories more than
what your body can burn in thatscenario, and you multiply that
by 365 days, well, guess whatdude Like you're 40 pounds up at
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the end of the year, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And I think it really just comes down to the the
truth of the psychology ofbehavior modification.
Like it's, it's hard to be adifferent person.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And this is exactly, and this is why I like these,
these, these, these juicecleanses.
And I'm thinking it's like it'sso attractive because it's like
, oh, maybe I can get rich quickIf I just invest in all this
like stocks, I just buy thislike stock bundle, I'll get rich
, or if I just do the juicecleanse, I'll lose weight.
It's like the same psychology,but there's no behavior
modification.
In fact, what you're doing isyou're reinforcing this, this,
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this conditioned response where,right, you do a 10-day detox
and you go back to eating normalagain.
You, whatever progress youmight have made over the 10 days
, you then lose it, of course,over the next 20, and then a
month or two, two later, you seea picture of yourself with
friends.
You get called to a beach party.
You're like, oh God, I need todo something, and then this just
vicious pattern and cycle justkeeps repeating, where it's like
one extreme to the other.
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Then what behavior modificationis there?
Like there is nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I think that it's the hard thing, because, I mean
, it's where I think thepsychology comes in so strong of
just it's prettystraightforward to to to lose
the weight, you have to eat lessfood, you have to eat some
protein, you got to get a littlephysical activity and you know
that's just how it goes.
But you know, when given thesekinds of simple parameters not
necessarily easy, but this iswhat we're talking about it's
these simple parameters, butpeople still don't make this
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decision.
There's some type of mental,emotional thing that's happening
outside of the decision making.
You know and I think that canbe applied to so many things in
life, like saving money or justwhatever it is is it's that the
thing you're supposed to do isoften quite straightforward and
it can be laid out in front ofyou but it's, but it takes time,
it takes time.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's super straightforward, just.
It just takes time and effortbut that's the thing is to do
that repeatedly is is achallenging thing.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Exactly.
We have our identities and food.
Food is just so tricky.
I mean we've talked about itbefore Like food is just
associated with our culturesSuper emotional components.
I think yeah identity Like oh,my grandmother's recipes.
Commiserate celebrate, you know.
Celebrate, yeah, exactly, it'sall those things and it's just
it definitely hits the dopamineresponse.
I mean, I know I can haveemotional, I do have emotional
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relationships with food.
You know, both from joy of likewanting to cook and chef it up
and be a foodie, to just youknow, when you're down and out,
that food will always kind ofmake you feel a little better.
And so there's a lot of,there's a lot of like quicksand
that can like fill in around youwhen you're trying to make
behavior change around food.
That, I do think, makes it extratricky.
You know, it's like kind oflike going for a walk every day.
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We'll take discipline and makeyou have to make a decision you
weren't doing before.
Carve out some time, take halfyour lunch, but like food is a
tricky little beast, I think,and I think that's why it stumps
so many people and why theseabsolutes are like the golden
ticket, because it's like we'vetalked about intermittent
fasting, it's just that hardline in the sand where, if I
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just know I can't eat out ofthis window.
It removes all thinking for mein a way, even if I suffer
through those time periods ofbeing really hungry, right or
crash or hangry or anything,it's just I did, it's just this
very hard line that removes thenuance and the dance, so to
speak yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,and I think the thing is is
that it's like these people willspend, who do these types of
things right, like because ofthat reason, because it's like
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there's an identity they don'twant to necessarily give up, but
there's something attractiveabout.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, maybe if it was like just a really short period
of time, like 10 days, then youknow that might trigger
something new inside of me.
Yeah, it's, but it is a versionof kind of like getting fit
quick or looking for a quickersolution, or you know the yeah,
just not wanting to have toactually put in like the leg
work, to like stretch it out,and you just compare that and
contrast that with like anybodywho's accomplished the goals
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that the said person is tryingto accomplish.
Like what?
Like they've done probably theopposite.
Like very few people have, like, I think, achieved like really
really high levels of fitnessover the course of their
lifetime because have, like, Ithink, achieved like really
really high levels of fitnessover the course of their
lifetime because of like these10-day cleanses and detoxes like
nobody who's nobody, who's likereally serious about fitness
and like takes it seriously.
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Does that?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
shit like one 12-week boot camp just gets you into
shape right like yeah, it'sgreat.
It's good that you did it.
You're gonna be better off thanwhen you started, but like it's
not you have to do.
It's just some of those.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's just one of those things where yeah, it's
like people will spend theirentire life.
This is the mind fuck.
People will spend their entirelife looking for the, looking
for the quick fix, yeah, or.
Or, to put another way, theywould.
They'll spend their entire lifejumping from one quick fix to
the other, yeah.
And then they say nothing worksfor me.
Right, but it's like, actually,you know, had we just started
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the process of like gettingcontrol, of putting awareness on
how many calories, reading,capping it off, reintegrating,
and then like finding ways tomake your favorite foods work
into your calorie ceiling, thatwhole?
thing that 10 years would go byand you're going to be in insane
shape and like actually havesomething sustainable.
So, like just to give theaudience some perspective, like
what we do at carbon is we gointo through there's three main
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phases and the first month iswhat we call typically in every
it's case by case, because somepeople have a higher tolerance
to adherence than other peopledo.
Some people just they just needto be.
We need to lower the bar forthem and that's okay.
But some people, if we get thesense that like hey, they're
ready, they can probably handlelike the real deal.
This is how we would like toapproach most people, right?
the first month you're with us.
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We call elimination phase andthat is going to be similar to
like what a whole 30 would belike, or like a you know, fodmap
light, where we just give you avery straightforward list of
foods that we know in generalfor most populations don't cause
inflammation, gas, bloat, thatkind of thing right.
Just like good old-fashionedsingle ingredient whole foods,
fruits, veggies, complex carbs,lean proteins, that kind of
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thing.
And so we go into month one,which is just elimination.
Elimination means If it's noton that list, we're eliminating
it.
And you're going to do yourbest for one whole month to just
keep your food choice simplewhile we get you comfortable
tracking, because it's much more.
It's much easier to track foodaccurately when it's single
ingredient food.
If you're already eating tacosand burritos and burgers, it's
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like it's very hard if you don'tknow how to track food.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And this is why most people are almost 100% wrong on
their food tracking is becausethey don't start with a simple
list of foods, they start withjust their normal stuff and then
they don't know how to do it.
But if it's just like a chickenbreast, like most people could
probably figure out how to trackaccurately what a chicken
breast is, you know, and even ifthey're 10 or 20% wrong, it's
so low calorie that it's stillfine.
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And so month one is elimination, where we just basically have
you drop that food list, get youcomfortable with your calorie
targets, move you into a proteinceiling and then just kind of
really lock in your ability toaccurately track and assess how
many calories you're eating.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So the intent is really the tracking.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
The intent is to remove all unnecessary
complications Right but togrease the tone for this
behavior modification that is sovital because it's way easier
it's to only do it's way easierto like stack your legos
together when you only have fivelegos right but if I dump like
an, entire bucket of all theseshapes and size and I say, now
build me a castle.
Oh my god.
But if we just go now put theblue one on top of the red one,
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it's like, yay, we did it, you.
And so we just like, we justget people just comfortable and
in momentum.
Now month two is what we callthe reintegration phase, and
this is where a whole 30 stops,and if you worked with a good
coach, this is where you wouldeventually ascend.
So then month two is thereintegration phase.
And so, after we've kind of gotthat really good foundation,
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you've cleaned yourself out, atrue cleanse, because you've
actually eaten single ingredientfoods for a month of, aka, you
know, detoxing, if you ever, ifyou guys want to truly cleanse,
do that anyways.
Reintegration now we have yourcalories.
We know your protein targets.
You've been tracking food for amonth now, so you're really
comfortable with it.
Now we go into reintegration.
Now let's start to like go outto dinner, have a drink, have a
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glass of wine, have a dessert,eat that bag of chips.
What are the things that wewant, that we enjoy?
The funny thing is, after amonth of restraint, all of a
sudden, the things that youthought you wanted.
You're not really interested inanymore.
You kind of lose the taste.
You're like, well, maybe Ireally don't want my chips and
shit.
I was just in the momentum ofit, but I really don't care.
So momentum of it, but I reallydon't care.
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So month two is reintegration.
Order your lunch in and let'sand now.
But the the the thing is withmonth two is we want to now see
you bring these foods in nowthat are not on the list.
We get rid of the food list.
We bring the foods in now, butyour goal, your, your, your task
is to make sure that it stillfits your calorie ceilings and
your protein targets.
And so that's month two, right,reintegrating.
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And then month three is calledautonomy phase, and that's
essentially where it's like.
You've built your repertoire offood choices, you've built your
network of cafes and restaurantsthat you want to go to, and you
have your you know dozen or sooptions wherever you are in your
little sphere, in your littleworld, that you can then easily
plug and play.
You know how to practice somerestraint if you're never going
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to have dinner that evening tolook at the menu ahead of time,
right, yeah, just, you have somewhole bag on your breakfast.
We got strategies, we gotsystems, and so that's the three
part process that we bring ourclients through to really create
this identity and lifestyle.
And I think that, yeah, listen,what I just described is 90
fucking days and that for mostpeople are like I don't have 90
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days, even though you just spentnine years hopping from one get
fit quick to the next, and it'slike, or we could just squash
this in three months and haveyou just a fighter jet stealth
mode, able to like, navigatewhatever scenario you find
yourself in without a problem,because even the three months is
still just like a start, yeah,start, yeah, right, because
that's still just a start toyour life.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Like many three months will pass by in your life
, hopefully, and you know it isjust even that I see as just
setting up a system and a toolbelt and all these things to
then like apply it for a verylong time period.
You know, it's like, becauseeven that is just, it's almost
like the three months is stilljust the beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yep, you know it's just getting started, yeah, and
then it's, and then, and thenit's accepting that there's no
going back well, that's thething it's like like you know
what the other side looks like,you know, you know you would
just try.
You've been trying to escapethat for 10, 20 years.
So we don't just do 90 days andthen it's like okay, back to no
(28:40):
, no, no.
It's like this is you now?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
this is you, well, and it is the whole thing.
And I, you know, I have a buddy.
He's a good friend of mine andhe has severe sleep apnea, to
the point where it's likeruining his life.
You know he's he, you know,because true sleep apnea is
where you'll end up like chokingright.
It's not just like a bad snore,you'll kind of have that, yeah
yeah, it happens to me sometimes, yeah and he, basically he went
and did a study and he was.
It was happening to him 15 timesan hour, an hour an hour he was
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.
So he was losing full breathingand waking up 15 times an hour.
So his depth of sleep was justalways surface level.
I mean, you gotta imagine youwake up, go back to sleep.
Wake up, go back to sleep 15times an hour.
So he's just just waking up withdeep fatigue, brain fog, no
matter how much he sleeps.
It's like hard for him to getout of bed.
It's like ruining his life, andthis has happened to him once
before and the only other timethat it got better was when he
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lost all this weight throughthis like kind of like a fasting
esque diet, almost likeintermittent fasting.
It was the lightest he's everbeen and that basically solved,
or really was the primary thingthat helped, his sleep apnea.
And so he's kind of back onthis where he's like I don't
care, I'll do whatever I want orwhatever I need to do, like my
life is being ruined right now.
So I was like I'll just eatfucking lettuce, I don't give a
shit, like, but he's a very bigfood motivated person in the
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sense that and he's not like youlook at him.
He's not like fat, like youdon't.
You would not say that he'slike height weight where's he?
he so he's probably like five,six, five, seven, and I don't
know what his weight was.
I'm trying to remember, if youtold me during this conversation
, I just talked at that heightover 200.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You're probably.
Yeah, I don't even think he'sover 200.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You look at him, he doesn't look over right.
He might have like a littlebelly, but like you would not.
He lost weight in the past.
He has right now.
He's kind of back to a placewhere you know, obviously losing
some weight would be beneficial, yeah, but he's.
He's very.
He loves to cook.
He does all these sous videthings.
He's definitely a foodie andyou know we were kind of having
this conversation of one how tolike integrate foods that you
like with better food optionsand just skimming a little bit
(30:25):
here Low fat cheese instead ofregular cheese.
This, this, this, that wholeconversation.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But I was also kind of going on.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The saying of like this is you can't go back, and I
think again it goes back toeducation of like people, people
don't understand that it's justabout calories in, calories out
, unfortunately, fortunately,however you want to look at it,
and it's kind of a bitch likeit's not necessarily easy to
have to add this whole otherthing into your life where you
have to pay attention and getnitty gritty with it.
You have to take moreresponsibility on for self
(30:56):
autonomy, and it's challenging,you know, and I think that's the
thing.
But I think if you're at leasteducated, you don't get to
bullshit yourself anymore, right, and you don't get to live in
this fantasy land of well, if Ido the five day bone broth
cleanse, that's what's going tofix me, you know, or at least
own that you're going to not doit.
It's like a thing I've saidbefore at least you know, don't
be in denial, right, you know,but it was this kind of
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conversation of like look, dude,like this, this, you have to
take responsibility for this,like you have to take
responsibility for what you eatand how much of it, and the food
choices, because it's justthermodynamic, physiological
truth that you have toincorporate into your sphere of
awareness.
You have to make differentdecisions, yeah, and it's just
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not going to change otherwiseand and it's.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's like you said.
It's like that identity has tobe integrated forever because,
again, if you go back, what gotyou there in the first place?
That little gremlin is lurking.
They want you to lure you backto the dark side, you know
everyone understands it withwith when you speak of it like,
in terms of like finance, forexample 100 yep because, like
there's real harsh, harshramifications when it comes to
financial, where, when it's justyour weight and you could be
400 pounds and society willstill, you know, embrace you.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Life goes on.
Life goes on.
You might not have a metabolicdisease yet, or whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But like, if you think of it like, let's say that
you just, you know, were likejust had a shopping addiction
and you just got yourself inlike insane amounts of consumer
debt and credit card debt andyou were just drowning, and it's
like maybe you file bankruptcyand you, you know, a year later
you finally like go through thetherapy and you clean it up.
(32:30):
Just because you got back tothe water level, you got back to
zero.
Right, dude, there's no goingback.
Yeah, you have to keep doingthe thing.
Doing that got you out of thathole.
yeah, unfortunately, and it'slike imagine if you're just like
okay, I did it.
Going back to the old ways, it'slike shoes and we get some
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baseball cards, you know and soit's like, it's like that with
calories, and you know, it issometimes that cut and dry where
it's like listen, like ifyou've done everything under the
sun and maybe you have somesuccess, maybe you lose a little
bit of weight.
It's like that's your life now,and I think that's the big
identity shift.
It's like can you accept that?
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This is your life now?
Right, like you are the personyou didn't just do 12-week
challenge once in your life now.
Like you are the person youdidn't just do 12 week challenge
once in your life.
But you are the person now whoweighs their food out, who
thinks ahead of time If we'regonna have dinner tonight, I
probably should have a smallerlunch and breakfast.
These little things low fatsour cream, low fats cheeses,
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low fat mayonnaise 50 calorieshere, 50 calories here, 50
calories here 50 calories herethat's 200 calories less that
day One bite of the appetizer.
Zero sugar soda.
Now we're at 340 calories lessfor that one day, yeah, and the
list goes on, where every dayyou can probably make a slightly
better choice, five or sixdifferent times and shave 300 to
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500 calories off of your totaldaily intake.
Five or six different times andshave three to 500 calories off
of your total daily intake,which could very well be the
margin of whether you're in adeficit or a surplus, meaning
that over the course of that 12month period, that could the
difference between you losingfive pounds or putting another
five pounds on Yep.
10 years later, you're down 50pounds, you're up 50 pounds, and
it all extrapolates down to themoment to moment.
Choice of like.
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Like did, I did.
I.
Am I just unconsciouslyreacting and just going through
life, you know, responding towhatever stimulus is happening
immediately, or am I pausing,putting a little bit of
awareness and thinking what,what?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
choice could I make right now?
What is the better choice?
What is the better choice rightnow?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, participation and life is always come at you
and be like oh, but you're busyand you're volunteering and all
these like virtuous thingsyou're doing for everyone else
and because of all thisvirtuosity, there's no time left
to pay attention to my ownhealth.
Oh no, so I better just order apizza, because who has time for
anything?
else, yeah, yeah, that wouldmake me feel good, that's the
fucking gremlin, that's the trap, that's the tripwire.
(34:54):
Yeah, you feel so virtuous ofall these things and I just had
a conversation the other day.
It was this exact thing and Iwas like uh-huh, uh-huh,
bullshit, dude, because that'sjust you.
You're telling yourself tojustify not having to pay
attention and participate withyour own health and fitness.
But let me ask you, man, whatgood are you to all these
volunteer operations if you comedown to diabetes or you?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
have a stroke.
Yeah, I mean, it's so crazy.
So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So juice cleanses I just started one today.
You know, learn for yourself ifyou have to, but take it from
us.
You know there's symbolic andspiritual reasons that
practicing some form ofrestraint and deprivation can be
beneficial for justself-discipline.
But if we're, if we're justlooking for weight loss here and
we're looking to just create anew lifestyle, you know, be be
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wary of the get fit quicks.
And then, man, they come inreally beautiful packaging and
they're sold by doctors withlittle white coats and
stethoscopes on their shouldersand we recommend our patients do
uh see through that shit.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, because I think everybody can understand that
the, the get quick, anythingisn't well if you frame it that
way.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
But but then it's packaged in a way where it
doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But it's, you know.
But yeah, it's just when, whenI think so often it's like, oh,
like, get rich quick well, Ialready got my finances on lock
like that's all bullshit, butwhen it comes to something you
actually want or need, that'sout of your grasp.
Yeah, exactly there's pain, theshiny, the shiny little object
is like actually, maybe thatwill work for me for this
situation.
Yeah, yeah, episode 42 boomhopefully that helps you
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traverse the path of your healtha little better.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, in uh 10 more weeks we'll be at a full year of
this stuff.
It's pretty incredible it ispretty cool yeah, so that was
coach's corner episode 42.
Thank you, guys, so much forjoining us um hopefully.
Hopefully you found some valuein this episode.
We'd love to hear from you Ifyou wanted to drop a comment.
Let us know what you thoughtand we will catch you all next
time.
Peace out Peace.
Welcome to Coach's Corner, episode 42.
I am your host, justin Scolard,and I am Ethan Wolfe, and today,
folks, we're going to betalking about a subject near and
dear to many people's heartsout there, and that is detoxes,
fasting and cleanses.
We have, we have our opinion onthis kind of thing, as you can
imagine, and so what we're goingto do today is just kind of
like digging a little bit deeperinto, like, I think, the
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psychology of it, of just likewhy one what would have to
happen leading up to doing somesort of like a juice cleanse or
a detox, like the idea of whatyou're going to get from that
detox or cleanse, and then justkind kind of comparing and
contrasting that with you knowwhat people actually do who have
already accomplished that levelof fitness that these folks are
trying to achieve, and sort ofmaybe trying to bridge that gap
(00:53):
a little bit, to find some wayto find balance and keep
perspective and all that goodstuff.
So anyways, in case you don'tknow who we are, we have been
nutritionists, trainers, fitnessexperts for the last 20 years
each I currently own a businessonline where we help people lose
weight, get organized, getaccountability and structure.
Ethan has a facility in personhere in Los Angeles where he
does similar stuff, and so wecome together on this podcast to
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just, you know, basically justhave like a real honest chat
with two professionals in theindustry to like help distill
some of these myths andconfusions and just kind of keep
you guys in the right path.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And so distilled is such a good word.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, and so today, you know we're chatting about
these popular cleanses anddetoxes that seem prevalent in
our society especially thosethat are kind of in that realm a
little bit of paying attentionto health and fitness.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know, some people just don't do it at all, but I
think there's kind of like thisI find this very middle ground
where people pay attention totheir health.
Maybe they exercise, get to acertain place and then they're
like, oh, this will be an answer.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Like job's done, mission accomplished.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I just got my five days of bone broth in.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, just got to get that five-day bone broth
cleanse in and then like I'mgood, yeah know, the common
denominator between people whostruggle is just this fit and
start, sort of when then?
Fallacy, like well, when I havemore time then I'll get around
to it.
When I have more money, thenI'll pay for a program when I
you name your thing right, andthat's just the trap.
(02:15):
You're going to start next weekwhen of course we know that
that's probably not going tohappen.
So I think that's what's reallyappealing about these like
detoxes and juice cleanse orwhatever is because it's such a
short period of time thatpromises so much result that it
almost like accesses this typeof person who is seeking, who
may be stuck in that.
When then fallacy.
But like this seems like a verylow bar entry point to start
(02:37):
something, and there's likesatisfaction on just starting,
of course, but then of course,like how does that actually
integrate into any sort oflong-term sustainable program?
And I think that's really thebig thing, you know, like what
happens after it's over.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, I would agree with that.
It's, you know, it's ratherthan kind of picking apart
what's happening to get you tothe place where you feel like
you need to make a change.
You just kind of go into thisvery stark contrast.
But you know, and for thepeople I talk to about it it's
very I ask them always like okay, what's the deal afterwards?
Like you know that, justbusiness as usual?
(03:11):
Is there any paying attentionto what you might do differently
afterwards?
So it is interesting and I, youknow, and again I don't, I
think we both honored kind ofthe emotional mental components
of like a hard reset, almostlike new year's, right, like
obviously new year's is justkind of the emotional mental
components of like a hard reset,almost like New Year's, right,
like obviously New Year's isjust kind of this cultural swing
into doing something different.
(03:32):
But there is some type of powerin the whole country of the
Western American world beinglike now's the time to get fit
right.
There is kind of like a wave Ithink you can catch and I think
that kind of microcosmsmacrocosms that like yeah, like
a hard reset can help shift yourmental gears, create a little
discipline.
So it's not like there's novalue in terms of just behavior
modification or maybe gettingyou started on a path, but most
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of the time the follow-up isn'tanything different than what was
happening before.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, and it's also like the people who tend to do
these type of things.
It's not like this, their firsttime with this stuff.
It tends to be like repeatcustomers with these like juice
cleanses and detoxes and stuff,and it's like I don't know.
I just think that it's just anidea that somehow, some way,
this is going to fundamentallyshift this like psychological
(04:23):
pattern that I've been in forhow many years?
And this time might bedifferent.
And, to your point, like theremight be some value in having
like the symbolic start right.
Well, I'm committing to this 10days and the hope is that that
10 days will then translate tolike a real habit now and like
(04:44):
real lifestyle shift.
But, of course, a problem withthat approach is that when you
start something extreme, there'sno runway.
Where do you go from there?
And to like regress back downto just like counting calories
almost feels like you're takinga step back, right.
It's like I find that it's theopposite, where, instead of
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starting at a 10, meaning likeyou're doing Whole30 and you've
cut out dairy, you've cut outwheat, you've cut out sugar,
you've cut out everything andyou're journaling every morning
and doing all these crazy thingsInstead of starting at a 10 and
then burning out after a monthdown to a 1 because you go.
Well, that's not sustainable andit just creates this like very
volatile sort of duality in yourmind, where it's like the only
(05:28):
way I know how to see result isthrough these really extreme
efforts and there's no middleground, where it's like either
I'm eating like whatever'saround or I'm just quote unquote
trying to make good foodchoices, but like the numbers
don't lie and I'm gaining weightevery year.
I'm just quote unquote trying tomake good food choices but like
the numbers don't lie and I'mgaining weight every year.
Or I do these like crazyextreme detoxes and cleanses
(05:49):
where, yeah, I lose, you know,five or 10 pounds of like
undigested food in my stomachand water weight, but there's no
like reintegration and likenormalcy of just like what is?
What does that actually looklike for you?
Indefinitely now, though, yeah,and so it just sends me the
same kind of people that justkeep repeating this.
It's almost like analogous tolike um, you know people who
(06:10):
like, like, maybe like serialmonogamous or something, like
people who just like kind ofrush into relationships too fast
and like it's the same personyou're dating.
It's a different reincarnationof the same person.
Like you didn't learn yourlesson the first time right
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I think a lot of it is going to be based around
intent.
I think we're coming from againa perspective of weight loss
and fitness, and so I thinkparticularly in weight loss is
where I see most of this and Ihonor that.
Fasting has tremendous benefitand value on a physiological
level.
There's no doubt about it.
Whether that's long-termcalorie restriction or 24 hour
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fast, like, there are benefits.
It's good for the body, you canreset your gut biome, which can
help with mental states, andjust you know there there is a
slew of benefit, I think, todoing a fast.
I think it's been part of ourhuman physiology for almost as
long as we've been around untilrecently.
So it's one of those things.
For me.
A lot of it's like what is theintent?
Because I have a lot of respectfor fasting.
(07:10):
I think it's awesome, I thinkit has tremendous benefit.
I'm not necessarily throwingthe baby out with the bathwater.
For me of just like fasting isjust stupid or has no value, but
I think again, it's like whatis the intent?
Why are you doing the fasting?
And I think that from theperspective of losing weight or
changing your body compositionor losing fat, it's just really
not the best way to gono-transcript, being like oh, I
(07:51):
have 30 pounds to lose, so I'mgoing to choose fasting as a
route of losing 30 pounds.
That's when I'm kind of likelike what you know, that might
not be the best path forwardlike, why do you yeah, exactly
why do you think that that'sgoing to help?
And I think fasting isinteresting.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Or cleanses Fasting almost feels more, I guess, like
spiritual or something than itdoes weight loss oriented.
I think there's like practicingrestraint, denying yourself of
your comforts just to keepyourself grounded.
You know, I think there's a lotof value in that.
(08:29):
I mean like there's, there'syou know, that's been around for
a long time just as like amental exercise.
No, but I think that like,specifically, we live, we just
live in this day and age wherethere's just this like really
polished, branded industryaround you know these like
detoxes, cleanses, and I thinkthat's where it starts to become
(08:50):
like what do you think you'recleansing exactly here?
Right, like case in point?
Right, we have friends, they're, they're no strangers, these
things and the packaging on thisstuff is insane.
Yeah, I mean like they, theyreally went to like world-class
marketers and like just the mostbeautiful design whole story of
(09:12):
you know the founder and howthey, you know, said all this
journey of self-discoverythrough.
Like their this, this specificcleanse, and like it's all you
know, if it's targeted towardswomen, it's like the right
language and the fonts and thecolors and the bot and the
unboxing of it all, and each dayis like you know, bone broth or
whatever it might be, is likehas like a little story and a
(09:34):
symbol behind it, and you'relike damn that is very, that is
very attractive.
Yeah, and it's like you just getbought in this belief that,
after this many days of the teasand the and the powders and the
bone broth or whatever thatlike that's going to make some
fundamental shift in your health, that you're going to be able
(09:55):
to like carry on indefinitely.
And I just think that, like,I'm just so not a believer in
that.
Like I look at it, I'm justlike, but of course, and it's
like the archetype of like, theperson who would buy that.
It's like god, I hate to soundjudgmental, but of course,
you're the one that like isgonna buy that right, like but
this isn't the first time, youknow, and it's like gosh, come
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on, like I get it.
It's, it sounds perfect.
It's like the.
It's like is this the magicpill that I've been looking for
my whole life, right?
Or is just this another versionof me looking for a quick fix
versus like doing the, doing theone thing that I actually
probably haven't done longenough to see noticeable change,
which is track your calories,just yes, pay attention to what
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you eat in some fundamental way.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
and again, there you know the infinite shades of gray
in the world, like somebody whoI think there's 50, 50, yeah, I
, yeah, I guess that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, but I think you know, in the grand scheme of
things, somebody who doesn't payattention to what they're
eating in a general sense anddoes a five-day bone broth
cleanse every two months, Istill think is going to be
better off than somebody whodoes nothing.
I do think in some capacitythere's at least some form of
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calorie restriction which isgoing to have benefits to the
body, whether or not it actuallychanges the needle on their
composition over a year's periodof time.
I do think I'd rather somebodydo a five-day bone broth cleanse
every two or three months thando nothing.
I guess you know I still thinkthere's value there, there is.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I mean I don't know, I don't know, I just I, because
it's like but that's also butthat's also assuming like the
person just gets back to eatingthe same amount of food they
were beforehand.
When typically what we find isthat without like a real
conscious effort, then ourbodies have a great way of
refeeding whatever deficit we'vecreated in the previous week.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I just think it's like anything's better than
nothing, I guess is the man issome kind of mentality like I'd
rather somebody take a walk oncea week than never walk at all.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I say I say let's let the numbers tell us what's
actually happening.
And like if, if, if let's justsay case study a or subject a in
this example, like maybe everytwo months they did a five-day
juice cleanse or detox orwhatever and like over the
course of a year they were downfive pounds.
I'd be on board that okay.
So they found a way to loselike a half a pound a month by
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you know these something andthat'd be cool.
But typically that's not thecase.
Typically it's like you know,these people who every quarter
have a panic attack and theylook in the mirror, they see
pictures themselves out.
The group of friends are like,ah, that's it, this is it, I
gotta all right.
And then the next thing theyfind is the next juice cleanse
or whatever.
And they do it for a week orwhatever, but the year after
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year it just keeps getting worseand worse and worse, and it
statistically people who arejust doing these things aren't
getting better every year, Ithink there's.
So I don't know.
That's where I guess I tend todisagree, just because I don't
know.
I just have so many calls withpeople and I'll always ask them
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what have you done?
And so many of them it's thatit's like I did that and I'll
always ask them what have youdone?
And so many of them it's thatit's like ah, I did that and I
did this.
And it's all these like diets,like the Stanford diet or the
EKG diet or these one-off kindof yeah, they're all like
they're all some, you know thesame package in different
wrappers.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Right, well, and that's I think.
I think almost every.
I mean outside of somethinglike or or carnivore, where
you're eliminating a completefood group as some type of route
of intent.
I think that most of the dietsare fundamentally barking up the
same tree of just like healthyfood choices.
Yeah, you know, I mean every.
Every diet is just likebalanced food eat a fruit, eat a
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vegetable, no Complexcarbohydrates that's stupid.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Whole grains.
I can just get a colonic andthen I'll just juice cleanse for
a week and then finish it outwith a nice colonic and then
back to some.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Dave's Hot Chicken.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Boom and that fucking Dave's.
Hot Chicken and some chickenand waffles?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and I think I guess for me like that's what I
was kind of saying with intentof you know, I don't think keto
is bad.
I think keto can have healthbenefits for, again, resetting
gut biome and helping withcertain things.
If you're doing it for thatreason, like there has been,
there is studies showing thatketo can have health benefits
for how your body operates andcertain things.
But again, for body composition, I just don't see keto as a
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good answer because it's notsustainable and all of the
reasons.
And I think, again, it's likethe intent for me of almost like
education, because if peoplewere going to say to me I'm
doing keto because I feel like Ihave SIBO small intestinal
bacterial overgrowth and I needto remove all carbohydrate from
my diet in order to, like,rebalance my gut health, it's a
real thing Like SIBO is alegitimate thing.
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Yeah, basically it's like Neverheard of it.
C-po is a legitimate thing.
Yeah, basically it's like Neverheard of it.
Yeah, it's basically where,like, basically, there is an
imbalance in the bacterialovergrowth and then that
bacterial overgrowth goes up thecolon and into the small
intestine and not your mouth andnot your mouth.
And it's where a lot of peoplewill get like bloating if they
eat carbohydrates and you see,like the big distended belly and
like this, like unnatural, likegas production and stuff like
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that, and a lot of time it alsois treated with antibiotics and
you kind of can get in the swingbecause then that disrupts the
biome and it's this whole thing.
And so it's like for somebodycame to me and said I have sebo,
which is a documented,legitimate thing, and they're
like I'm going to do keto for 30days to reset my gut biome so
that I can eat carbohydrates andnot be in pain, and something
like that.
Like I'm like, okay, cool, ifthat makes sense to me, there's
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proper intent, but you know, ifyou're choosing to go on
carnivore to lose 50 pounds,it's just.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
It's just a very silly route to me how I mean,
what percentage of people who doketo is because they got
diagnosed with SIBO, like youknow what I mean.
Like that, that's like afraction of a percent of it is
very small people are, just likeyou know.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's what I'm saying it's uneducated decision
making for a goal that isn'tgoing to be fulfilled by the
path they're taking, but theythink it is.
And it's just to me that'swhere I get crushed, because
there's just, there's just even.
There's just even no plan, likeif you wanted to do keto or do
a whole 30, and, as you're doingthat, you're formulating a plan
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for normal behaviormodification, using the big
reset to kind of create thediscipline and create the
restriction, so that taking thestep forward into being able to
eat more food or different foodsthan you're eating, but just in
some type of controlled fashion, like so be it, but people,
just, there is no planafterwards.
It's just, it's this, it's the,it's the blanket that gets
pulled over.
Yeah, and again it's.
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You know, I went out to afriend's birthday and her
brother was there and we wereeating Thai food and he was on
keto or he's on carnivorecarnivore, yeah, which, again,
it's like.
Carnivore is like such a newthing, it's such a fad, it's
such a little like identity cult, like, oh, I'm going to, oh, I
can only eat the meats, and it'sgreat, you know.
And he's talking about eatinglike a half stick of butter and
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a steak for a meal.
It was Atkins, then it was Paleo, then it was Keto and now it's
carnivore, you know and it'sjust like, and I'm just like,
you're not like what happenswhen you've, let's say, you do
lose 30 pounds on carnivore andthen like what?
then?
It's almost like it's going tobite you in the ass, because now
you're used to eating fattymeats and half a pound of bacon
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in a sitting and butter, andthen, well, now I don't have to,
now I'm coming off of it andI'm used to these crazy fatty
meats and practices, but now I'mgoing to let rice and tortillas
or bread back in, you know, andit's almost like the odds of
continuing some food behaviorsthat won't serve you when you
just add more calories behaviorsthat won't serve you.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
When you just add more calories, you know way like
the only reason why you wouldlose 30 pounds.
After, of course, you just loseall your water weight from
removing carbohydrate.
But once you've removed allyour water and glycogen levels
and everything, yeah, let's justsay of the 30 pounds you lost,
maybe 10 of it, 15 of it was fat.
The rest was some form of waterweight or glycogen a little
muscle because you're not eatingcarbs.
Then you know, at the end of theday, the only reason why you
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would actually lose that fat wasbecause, by removing the
carbohydrate, you were able toput yourself into a calorie
deficit.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Calorie deficit yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
But you know if you're eating ribeyes and half
sticks of butter, you know theaverage person only burns 2,500
calories a day.
One ribeye, one like regular,regular size, one pound ribeye,
is a thousand calories easy,yeah, and so you know, and that
could be one meal for a guy,yeah, so you have, you have.
You know that with some butterand bacon and eggs and all this
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shit, I mean you're you're at3000 calories in a fucking blink
of an eye.
Yeah, 100%.
And you're in a calorie surplusand so, even though you've
removed carbohydrates, you'veeaten 500 calories more than
what your body can burn in thatscenario, and you multiply that
by 365 days, well, guess whatdude Like you're 40 pounds up at
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the end of the year, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And I think it really just comes down to the the
truth of the psychology ofbehavior modification.
Like it's, it's hard to be adifferent person.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And this is exactly, and this is why I like these,
these, these, these juicecleanses.
And I'm thinking it's like it'sso attractive because it's like
, oh, maybe I can get rich quickIf I just invest in all this
like stocks, I just buy thislike stock bundle, I'll get rich
, or if I just do the juicecleanse, I'll lose weight.
It's like the same psychology,but there's no behavior
modification.
In fact, what you're doing isyou're reinforcing this, this,
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this conditioned response where,right, you do a 10-day detox
and you go back to eating normalagain.
You, whatever progress youmight have made over the 10 days
, you then lose it, of course,over the next 20, and then a
month or two, two later, you seea picture of yourself with
friends.
You get called to a beach party.
You're like, oh God, I need todo something, and then this just
vicious pattern and cycle justkeeps repeating, where it's like
one extreme to the other.
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Then what behavior modificationis there?
Like there is nothing.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And I think that it's the hard thing, because, I mean
, it's where I think thepsychology comes in so strong of
just it's prettystraightforward to to to lose
the weight, you have to eat lessfood, you have to eat some
protein, you got to get a littlephysical activity and you know
that's just how it goes.
But you know, when given thesekinds of simple parameters not
necessarily easy, but this iswhat we're talking about it's
these simple parameters, butpeople still don't make this
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decision.
There's some type of mental,emotional thing that's happening
outside of the decision making.
You know and I think that canbe applied to so many things in
life, like saving money or justwhatever it is is it's that the
thing you're supposed to do isoften quite straightforward and
it can be laid out in front ofyou but it's, but it takes time,
it takes time.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's super straightforward, just.
It just takes time and effortbut that's the thing is to do
that repeatedly is is achallenging thing.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Exactly.
We have our identities and food.
Food is just so tricky.
I mean we've talked about itbefore Like food is just
associated with our culturesSuper emotional components.
I think yeah identity Like oh,my grandmother's recipes.
Commiserate celebrate, you know.
Celebrate, yeah, exactly, it'sall those things and it's just
it definitely hits the dopamineresponse.
I mean, I know I can haveemotional, I do have emotional
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relationships with food.
You know, both from joy of likewanting to cook and chef it up
and be a foodie, to just youknow, when you're down and out,
that food will always kind ofmake you feel a little better.
And so there's a lot of,there's a lot of like quicksand
that can like fill in around youwhen you're trying to make
behavior change around food.
That, I do think, makes it extratricky.
You know, it's like kind oflike going for a walk every day.
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We'll take discipline and makeyou have to make a decision you
weren't doing before.
Carve out some time, take halfyour lunch, but like food is a
tricky little beast, I think,and I think that's why it stumps
so many people and why theseabsolutes are like the golden
ticket, because it's like we'vetalked about intermittent
fasting, it's just that hardline in the sand where, if I
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just know I can't eat out ofthis window.
It removes all thinking for mein a way, even if I suffer
through those time periods ofbeing really hungry, right or
crash or hangry or anything,it's just I did, it's just this
very hard line that removes thenuance and the dance, so to
speak yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,and I think the thing is is
that it's like these people willspend, who do these types of
things right, like because ofthat reason, because it's like
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there's an identity they don'twant to necessarily give up, but
there's something attractiveabout.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, maybe if it was like just a really short period
of time, like 10 days, then youknow that might trigger
something new inside of me.
Yeah, it's, but it is a versionof kind of like getting fit
quick or looking for a quickersolution, or you know the yeah,
just not wanting to have toactually put in like the leg
work, to like stretch it out,and you just compare that and
contrast that with like anybodywho's accomplished the goals
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that the said person is tryingto accomplish.
Like what?
Like they've done probably theopposite.
Like very few people have, like, I think, achieved like really
really high levels of fitnessover the course of their
lifetime because have, like, Ithink, achieved like really
really high levels of fitnessover the course of their
lifetime because of like these10-day cleanses and detoxes like
nobody who's nobody, who's likereally serious about fitness
and like takes it seriously.
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Does that?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
shit like one 12-week boot camp just gets you into
shape right like yeah, it'sgreat.
It's good that you did it.
You're gonna be better off thanwhen you started, but like it's
not you have to do.
It's just some of those.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's just one of those things where yeah, it's
like people will spend theirentire life.
This is the mind fuck.
People will spend their entirelife looking for the, looking
for the quick fix, yeah, or.
Or, to put another way, theywould.
They'll spend their entire lifejumping from one quick fix to
the other, yeah.
And then they say nothing worksfor me.
Right, but it's like, actually,you know, had we just started
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the process of like gettingcontrol, of putting awareness on
how many calories, reading,capping it off, reintegrating,
and then like finding ways tomake your favorite foods work
into your calorie ceiling, thatwhole?
thing that 10 years would go byand you're going to be in insane
shape and like actually havesomething sustainable.
So, like just to give theaudience some perspective, like
what we do at carbon is we gointo through there's three main
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phases and the first month iswhat we call typically in every
it's case by case, because somepeople have a higher tolerance
to adherence than other peopledo.
Some people just they just needto be.
We need to lower the bar forthem and that's okay.
But some people, if we get thesense that like hey, they're
ready, they can probably handlelike the real deal.
This is how we would like toapproach most people, right?
the first month you're with us.
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We call elimination phase andthat is going to be similar to
like what a whole 30 would belike, or like a you know, fodmap
light, where we just give you avery straightforward list of
foods that we know in generalfor most populations don't cause
inflammation, gas, bloat, thatkind of thing right.
Just like good old-fashionedsingle ingredient whole foods,
fruits, veggies, complex carbs,lean proteins, that kind of
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thing.
And so we go into month one,which is just elimination.
Elimination means If it's noton that list, we're eliminating
it.
And you're going to do yourbest for one whole month to just
keep your food choice simplewhile we get you comfortable
tracking, because it's much more.
It's much easier to track foodaccurately when it's single
ingredient food.
If you're already eating tacosand burritos and burgers, it's
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like it's very hard if you don'tknow how to track food.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And this is why most people are almost 100% wrong on
their food tracking is becausethey don't start with a simple
list of foods, they start withjust their normal stuff and then
they don't know how to do it.
But if it's just like a chickenbreast, like most people could
probably figure out how to trackaccurately what a chicken
breast is, you know, and even ifthey're 10 or 20% wrong, it's
so low calorie that it's stillfine.
(24:51):
And so month one is elimination, where we just basically have
you drop that food list, get youcomfortable with your calorie
targets, move you into a proteinceiling and then just kind of
really lock in your ability toaccurately track and assess how
many calories you're eating.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So the intent is really the tracking.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
The intent is to remove all unnecessary
complications Right but togrease the tone for this
behavior modification that is sovital because it's way easier
it's to only do it's way easierto like stack your legos
together when you only have fivelegos right but if I dump like
an, entire bucket of all theseshapes and size and I say, now
build me a castle.
Oh my god.
But if we just go now put theblue one on top of the red one,
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it's like, yay, we did it, you.
And so we just like, we justget people just comfortable and
in momentum.
Now month two is what we callthe reintegration phase, and
this is where a whole 30 stops,and if you worked with a good
coach, this is where you wouldeventually ascend.
So then month two is thereintegration phase.
And so, after we've kind of gotthat really good foundation,
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you've cleaned yourself out, atrue cleanse, because you've
actually eaten single ingredientfoods for a month of, aka, you
know, detoxing, if you ever, ifyou guys want to truly cleanse,
do that anyways.
Reintegration now we have yourcalories.
We know your protein targets.
You've been tracking food for amonth now, so you're really
comfortable with it.
Now we go into reintegration.
Now let's start to like go outto dinner, have a drink, have a
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glass of wine, have a dessert,eat that bag of chips.
What are the things that wewant, that we enjoy?
The funny thing is, after amonth of restraint, all of a
sudden, the things that youthought you wanted.
You're not really interested inanymore.
You kind of lose the taste.
You're like, well, maybe Ireally don't want my chips and
shit.
I was just in the momentum ofit, but I really don't care.
So momentum of it, but I reallydon't care.
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So month two is reintegration.
Order your lunch in and let'sand now.
But the the the thing is withmonth two is we want to now see
you bring these foods in nowthat are not on the list.
We get rid of the food list.
We bring the foods in now, butyour goal, your, your, your task
is to make sure that it stillfits your calorie ceilings and
your protein targets.
And so that's month two, right,reintegrating.
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And then month three is calledautonomy phase, and that's
essentially where it's like.
You've built your repertoire offood choices, you've built your
network of cafes and restaurantsthat you want to go to, and you
have your you know dozen or sooptions wherever you are in your
little sphere, in your littleworld, that you can then easily
plug and play.
You know how to practice somerestraint if you're never going
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to have dinner that evening tolook at the menu ahead of time,
right, yeah, just, you have somewhole bag on your breakfast.
We got strategies, we gotsystems, and so that's the three
part process that we bring ourclients through to really create
this identity and lifestyle.
And I think that, yeah, listen,what I just described is 90
fucking days and that for mostpeople are like I don't have 90
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days, even though you just spentnine years hopping from one get
fit quick to the next, and it'slike, or we could just squash
this in three months and haveyou just a fighter jet stealth
mode, able to like, navigatewhatever scenario you find
yourself in without a problem,because even the three months is
still just like a start, yeah,start, yeah, right, because
that's still just a start toyour life.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Like many three months will pass by in your life
, hopefully, and you know it isjust even that I see as just
setting up a system and a toolbelt and all these things to
then like apply it for a verylong time period.
You know, it's like, becauseeven that is just, it's almost
like the three months is stilljust the beginning.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yep, you know it's just getting started, yeah, and
then it's, and then, and thenit's accepting that there's no
going back well, that's thething it's like like you know
what the other side looks like,you know, you know you would
just try.
You've been trying to escapethat for 10, 20 years.
So we don't just do 90 days andthen it's like okay, back to no
(28:40):
, no, no.
It's like this is you now?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
this is you, well, and it is the whole thing.
And I, you know, I have a buddy.
He's a good friend of mine andhe has severe sleep apnea, to
the point where it's likeruining his life.
You know he's he, you know,because true sleep apnea is
where you'll end up like chokingright.
It's not just like a bad snore,you'll kind of have that, yeah
yeah, it happens to me sometimes, yeah and he, basically he went
and did a study and he was.
It was happening to him 15 timesan hour, an hour an hour he was
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.
So he was losing full breathingand waking up 15 times an hour.
So his depth of sleep was justalways surface level.
I mean, you gotta imagine youwake up, go back to sleep.
Wake up, go back to sleep 15times an hour.
So he's just just waking up withdeep fatigue, brain fog, no
matter how much he sleeps.
It's like hard for him to getout of bed.
It's like ruining his life, andthis has happened to him once
before and the only other timethat it got better was when he
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lost all this weight throughthis like kind of like a fasting
esque diet, almost likeintermittent fasting.
It was the lightest he's everbeen and that basically solved,
or really was the primary thingthat helped, his sleep apnea.
And so he's kind of back onthis where he's like I don't
care, I'll do whatever I want orwhatever I need to do, like my
life is being ruined right now.
So I was like I'll just eatfucking lettuce, I don't give a
shit, like, but he's a very bigfood motivated person in the
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sense that and he's not like youlook at him.
He's not like fat, like youdon't.
You would not say that he'slike height weight where's he?
he so he's probably like five,six, five, seven, and I don't
know what his weight was.
I'm trying to remember, if youtold me during this conversation
, I just talked at that heightover 200.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You're probably.
Yeah, I don't even think he'sover 200.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You look at him, he doesn't look over right.
He might have like a littlebelly, but like you would not.
He lost weight in the past.
He has right now.
He's kind of back to a placewhere you know, obviously losing
some weight would be beneficial, yeah, but he's.
He's very.
He loves to cook.
He does all these sous videthings.
He's definitely a foodie andyou know we were kind of having
this conversation of one how tolike integrate foods that you
like with better food optionsand just skimming a little bit
(30:25):
here Low fat cheese instead ofregular cheese.
This, this, this, that wholeconversation.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But I was also kind of going on.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The saying of like this is you can't go back, and I
think again it goes back toeducation of like people, people
don't understand that it's justabout calories in, calories out
, unfortunately, fortunately,however you want to look at it,
and it's kind of a bitch likeit's not necessarily easy to
have to add this whole otherthing into your life where you
have to pay attention and getnitty gritty with it.
You have to take moreresponsibility on for self
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autonomy, and it's challenging,you know, and I think that's the
thing.
But I think if you're at leasteducated, you don't get to
bullshit yourself anymore, right, and you don't get to live in
this fantasy land of well, if Ido the five day bone broth
cleanse, that's what's going tofix me, you know, or at least
own that you're going to not doit.
It's like a thing I've saidbefore at least you know, don't
be in denial, right, you know,but it was this kind of
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conversation of like look, dude,like this, this, you have to
take responsibility for this,like you have to take
responsibility for what you eatand how much of it, and the food
choices, because it's justthermodynamic, physiological
truth that you have toincorporate into your sphere of
awareness.
You have to make differentdecisions, yeah, and it's just
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not going to change otherwiseand and it's.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's like you said.
It's like that identity has tobe integrated forever because,
again, if you go back, what gotyou there in the first place?
That little gremlin is lurking.
They want you to lure you backto the dark side, you know
everyone understands it withwith when you speak of it like,
in terms of like finance, forexample 100 yep because, like
there's real harsh, harshramifications when it comes to
financial, where, when it's justyour weight and you could be
400 pounds and society willstill, you know, embrace you.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Life goes on.
Life goes on.
You might not have a metabolicdisease yet, or whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But like, if you think of it like, let's say that
you just, you know, were likejust had a shopping addiction
and you just got yourself inlike insane amounts of consumer
debt and credit card debt andyou were just drowning, and it's
like maybe you file bankruptcyand you, you know, a year later
you finally like go through thetherapy and you clean it up.
(32:30):
Just because you got back tothe water level, you got back to
zero.
Right, dude, there's no goingback.
Yeah, you have to keep doingthe thing.
Doing that got you out of thathole.
yeah, unfortunately, and it'slike imagine if you're just like
okay, I did it.
Going back to the old ways, it'slike shoes and we get some
(32:50):
baseball cards, you know and soit's like, it's like that with
calories, and you know, it issometimes that cut and dry where
it's like listen, like ifyou've done everything under the
sun and maybe you have somesuccess, maybe you lose a little
bit of weight.
It's like that's your life now,and I think that's the big
identity shift.
It's like can you accept that?
(33:12):
This is your life now?
Right, like you are the personyou didn't just do 12-week
challenge once in your life now.
Like you are the person youdidn't just do 12 week challenge
once in your life.
But you are the person now whoweighs their food out, who
thinks ahead of time If we'regonna have dinner tonight, I
probably should have a smallerlunch and breakfast.
These little things low fatsour cream, low fats cheeses,
(33:34):
low fat mayonnaise 50 calorieshere, 50 calories here, 50
calories here 50 calories herethat's 200 calories less that
day One bite of the appetizer.
Zero sugar soda.
Now we're at 340 calories lessfor that one day, yeah, and the
list goes on, where every dayyou can probably make a slightly
better choice, five or sixdifferent times and shave 300 to
(33:54):
500 calories off of your totaldaily intake.
Five or six different times andshave three to 500 calories off
of your total daily intake,which could very well be the
margin of whether you're in adeficit or a surplus, meaning
that over the course of that 12month period, that could the
difference between you losingfive pounds or putting another
five pounds on Yep.
10 years later, you're down 50pounds, you're up 50 pounds, and
it all extrapolates down to themoment to moment.
Choice of like.
(34:15):
Like did, I did.
I.
Am I just unconsciouslyreacting and just going through
life, you know, responding towhatever stimulus is happening
immediately, or am I pausing,putting a little bit of
awareness and thinking what,what?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
choice could I make right now?
What is the better choice?
What is the better choice rightnow?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, participation and life is always come at you
and be like oh, but you're busyand you're volunteering and all
these like virtuous thingsyou're doing for everyone else
and because of all thisvirtuosity, there's no time left
to pay attention to my ownhealth.
Oh no, so I better just order apizza, because who has time for
anything?
else, yeah, yeah, that wouldmake me feel good, that's the
fucking gremlin, that's the trap, that's the tripwire.
(34:54):
Yeah, you feel so virtuous ofall these things and I just had
a conversation the other day.
It was this exact thing and Iwas like uh-huh, uh-huh,
bullshit, dude, because that'sjust you.
You're telling yourself tojustify not having to pay
attention and participate withyour own health and fitness.
But let me ask you, man, whatgood are you to all these
volunteer operations if you comedown to diabetes or you?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
have a stroke.
Yeah, I mean, it's so crazy.
So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So juice cleanses I just started one today.
You know, learn for yourself ifyou have to, but take it from
us.
You know there's symbolic andspiritual reasons that
practicing some form ofrestraint and deprivation can be
beneficial for justself-discipline.
But if we're, if we're justlooking for weight loss here and
we're looking to just create anew lifestyle, you know, be be
(35:42):
wary of the get fit quicks.
And then, man, they come inreally beautiful packaging and
they're sold by doctors withlittle white coats and
stethoscopes on their shouldersand we recommend our patients do
uh see through that shit.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, because I think everybody can understand that
the, the get quick, anythingisn't well if you frame it that
way.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
But but then it's packaged in a way where it
doesn't look like it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But it's, you know.
But yeah, it's just when, whenI think so often it's like, oh,
like, get rich quick well, Ialready got my finances on lock
like that's all bullshit, butwhen it comes to something you
actually want or need, that'sout of your grasp.
Yeah, exactly there's pain, theshiny, the shiny little object
is like actually, maybe thatwill work for me for this
situation.
Yeah, yeah, episode 42 boomhopefully that helps you
(36:24):
traverse the path of your healtha little better.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, in uh 10 more weeks we'll be at a full year of
this stuff.
It's pretty incredible it ispretty cool yeah, so that was
coach's corner episode 42.
Thank you, guys, so much forjoining us um hopefully.
Hopefully you found some valuein this episode.
We'd love to hear from you Ifyou wanted to drop a comment.
Let us know what you thoughtand we will catch you all next
time.
Peace out Peace.
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