May 7, 2025 • 26 mins
We discuss how 50% of the population gets their news from social media and explore the pitfalls of following fitness influencers who may promote methods without evidence-based reasoning behind them. Influencers often showcase their highlight reels without acknowledging the significant genetic component behind their physiques.
• Genetic factors play a major role in how people look regardless of training methods
• Social media creates unrealistic expectations about what training can achieve for different body types
• Evidence-based fitness content is emerging to counter misinformation
• Fear-based marketing tactics are commonly used to sell unnecessary products
• Redesign your social media feed with 80% educational content and 20% entertainment
• Understanding fitness principles is simple, but practical application requires experience
• The fundamentals of fitness are consistent and evidence-based, though less exciting than trending "hacks"
• Critical thinking helps you distinguish between quality information and marketing tactics
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
50% of the population gets their news from social
media, which so many peoplefollow.
Fitness influencers that lookamazing have aspirational bodies
, but then maybe they'repreaching ways, tactics,
methodology to achieve said bodyin ways that may or may not
actually have any substantial orevidence-based reasoning behind
(00:21):
it.
Welcome to In the Grand Schemeof Fitness, episode 58.
We're almost there we're makingreal progress.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
My name is Justin Scallard and I am Ethan Wolfe
and we are your co-hosts.
I guess I was going to sayco-hosts, but we're your
co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We are the co-hosts.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We are co-hosting, and today, guys, we're going to
be talking about you know, justnot to basically social media
and how I think most of us getour news.
I think they were sayingsomething like 50% of the
population gets their news fromsocial media, which isn't
necessarily a good thing or abad thing.
It really just kind of dependson the source.
But in our industry inparticular, so many people
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follow fitness influencers thatlook amazing, have, you know,
aspirational bodies, but thenmaybe they're preaching ways,
tactics, methodology to achievesaid body in ways that may or
may not actually have anysubstantial or, you know,
evidence-based reasoning behindit.
(01:34):
It's just, they have goodgenetics, they would have looked
great no matter what they did,and so we just got to be careful
about that stuff.
So we're going to kind of diginto that today and just sort of
like talk about our ownexperiences with it and just
sort of like how you guys canmake sure that you don't fall
into the trap of watchingsomeone's highlight reel,
because, let's be honest,instagram, tiktok, it's people's
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, especially in the fitnessspace.
It's people's highlight reels,of course, when they are like
finishing a cut and all of asudden they take a bunch of
different pictures of themselves, and I post them over the next
three months.
You know it's like that is asliver of reality, but, you know
, to be taken with a littlegrain of salt as well.
So, anyway, so one thing that Iwill say that we kind of talked
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about when we were getting readyfor the show is that when we
look at people who we aspire tobe like physically, you know,
and we look at how strong theyare, how fast they are, how lean
they are, like whatever, wehave to understand that.
Let me give you guys an examplelike Michael Phelps is a good
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swimmer because he's six footfour and has a seven foot
wingspan, you know.
And so there's just a geneticcomponent that we can't avoid
and we can't escape.
And if we're looking at peopleaspirationally, we just have to
make sure that we're doing it ina way where it's like we
understand that, a we'rewatching highlight reels and B,
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there's a genetic component thatwe just may or may not ever
have.
And so, as long as we canextrapolate that down and, you
know, take what works and leavewhat doesn't apply to our life,
probably not the worst thing,but just a lot of people are, I
think, drinking the Kool-Aid alittle too much on what is or
isn't based off of something.
That is just a genetic lottery.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's like another way to look,
a certain way.
And so they look at a swimmer'sbody or, excuse me, they look
like a bodybuilder and they'relike, oh, they're too big and
bulky, you know.
Or they look like a longdistance runner, marathon runner
along there.
It's like, oh, they're kind oftoo lean and withered, or you
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know, they look like or not, youknow, wither, but they just
don't.
That's not the look I wanteither.
And they might look at aswimmer's body and be like, oh,
they kind of have those likelong muscles, they.
They look a certain way, sothey look toned.
Yeah, they have that.
They just got that's that's kindof that middle ground I'm
looking for.
And so then they'll go andthey'll be like, well, if
they're a swimmer, I'll startswimming, because obviously,
right, the swimmer swimming is,that's the modality, that's
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what's going to get me there.
Yeah, then they swim for a yearand that might be in better
shape, that might have even lostbody fat.
But realistically, they'reprobably not going to look like
that swimmer ideology in termsof aesthetics that they thought
they were going to.
And that's because of thatexact point that the, the
swimmers are geneticallydispositioned.
You know, it's like alinebacker is a linebacker not
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probably because of the way hetrains, but because he was born
a linebacker because he's youknow 5, 11 and 230 pounds and
can back, squat 450 and likejump 50 inches in the air.
You know like, yeah, you cantrain and everyone can improve
through training you can use themodalities, but I think it's
having a realistic expectationof what the outcome is and so
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it's like if you want to trainstrongman, because you like the
sensation of lifting a sandbagor an odd object or doing farmer
carriers and you feel strongerand it's going to be good for
you.
I mean, I think any training ofany type is good, whether it's
swimming or anything.
But realistically, if you'renot built like a strongman,
you're probably not going tohave strongman numbers and do
strongman feats.
You might train like astrongman, you might get the
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benefits from it.
That's not a bad thing, but Iwouldn't necessarily expect the
outcome of being in the caliberof a strong man, and so I think
it's like, whether it'sperformance based or aesthetic
based, as having like all themodalities are good.
Any movement's good.
I'll encourage any avenue.
I think it's just more of likewhat the realistic expectations
are and why are you doing it andare you doing it because you
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enjoy it or because you'reexpecting a certain outcome?
and then is that, if you'redoing it for outcome based, is
that outcome like based inreality?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
yeah, yeah, is there and then that's like an
aesthetic thing too.
It's like they are that wayless of their training and the
training has a lot to do with itbut more of like at some point
in their life a coach been like,hey, you have the body of a
swimmer, like you could probablygo far, yeah, and then and then
they oriented their life aroundachieving high levels in that
sport.
But I think also probably morecommon, a little bit more subtle
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, is when it's not just aboutlike fitness, but then it kind
of turns into like a healthconversation of like oh well,
this person online says thatcarbohydrates are bad and
they're in really good shape.
They don't eat carbs.
So then it must be that likecarbs are bad.
Right, or I should.
Maybe I should consider givingup carbs.
Or one that I've been seeing islike this girl in a whole
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spandex outfit lifting weights,talking about not all creatine
is the same and if you're nottaking the right creatine, then
you're not going to get results.
And then of course, her body'samazing, yeah, and so she's
selling like a hundred dollarcreatine gummy.
That's supposed to be somethingabout differently, when the
reality is that creatine is acommodity and anyone can get
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monohydrate for like a dollar onamazon and it works.
so the exact same, and I thinkthat when we see people like
that, people talking aboutdifferent beauty products, and
they just so happen to bebeautiful- so maybe that's the
secret.
It's just this lotion orwhatever the creatine gummies,
because she's got a big butt andshe takes these.
Maybe if I take them, I'll havea thin waist and a big butt too
, right, and it's like I don'tknow if the creatine came first
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in this equation Probably not.
I think that there probably alot of stuff that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I was going to say I'm sure that endorsement
deal came along for her Turningheads before creatine ever came
into the picture you know, andso it's just like be wary of it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's like man cause it comes in different like this,
the same package and differentwrapping, all the time with like
, oh, this chiropractor is nowselling these detoxes and it's
like, it's like validationenough, oh, he's a chiropractor,
so it must be okay.
But if you think about it likewell, what does that have to do
with?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
like a juice cleanse, though, you know, yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, 100 when Iespecially think when there's
products involved, it's extratricky just because you have
endorsements and paid.
You know advertising throughindividuals and then anytime
there's profits involved in thatcapacity, it's like you always
got to look out for the snakeoil or just.
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It's just one of those thingswhere how much is that girl
getting paid by that company For?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
sure it's not her brand.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
To sell those creatine gummies just because
she's hot.
And they probably lookedthrough, of course, and however
many thousands of influencersthat were hot and were like, oh,
look at you, okay, we'll chooseyou.
And then just because you knoweverybody, everybody has that
built into them.
Yeah, I mean everyone's got aprice right.
Well, that's all I mean.
What I mean by that is, likeanybody, you see somebody
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beautiful or in shape orsomething that we aspire to, and
it automatically influences us.
It's so true, we just we aremagnetized, or whether they're
smart or they're hot or they'resuper lean, it's like we
automatically are like, oh, thathas valid validity now.
So especially for products,it's like, oh man, you really
got to watch.
And again, it's like you know,if somebody's selling like some
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doctor you know, one of myclients was a doctor that had
this like kind of some type ofbasically fasted cleanse thing
you know, fundamentally it wasjust like 500 calorie a day,
fasting period, you know, andthey sent you the food.
They sent you some soup and theysent you some this and like
again, there are benefits todecrease calories, like she was
a doctor, selling it to herpatients.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No, no, no, she was somebody who did the cleanse.
Oh, who did the cleanse?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And she was like, the doctor was their friend and the
doctor seemed like alegitimately educated individual
, and it's just again.
it's one of those things likethere's this gray area, like we
all know that restrictedcalories are good for you no
matter what.
So, whether or not, in myopinion, you're doing a five-day
fast, that's going to have abenefit, or you're doing
long-term calorie restriction,like it just shows that like the
less we eat, the more healthywe are, and so it comes in many
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forms and it's going to bebenefit from doing 500 calories
a day for five days.
Yeah, I think that, just likein a general sense, there is
going to be more good than theless we eat.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
To an extent, obviously, like you can't.
Yeah, you know you've got 500guys, but that's why it's a
short thing.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But I'm saying like if somebody did that, I don't
think they're going to be worseoff, like I don't think they're
going to come on the other sideof that Less healthy.
I think there's going to besomewhat benefits, but is it a
good modality for losing weight?
No, you know what I mean, and Ithink that most people would
look at that as a form of weightloss.
I know that's a bad thing, butmaybe you're doing it for you
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know insulin sensitivity, maybeyou're doing it for the benefits
of fasting and hormoneregulation, but most of the I
would say 99% of people areprobably doing that for weight
loss and it's probably a reallypoor option for weight loss.
And so it's just.
There's just so much potentialfor gray and I think that people
are uneducated and they assumeone thing about this and they
assume one thing about the other.
And there's so much informationout there and one of the things
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I want to say is I don't thinkall influencers are bad.
No, not at all.
I think there's especially inthe fitness industry.
I think right now I'm seeinglike there is kind of this
reduction in the sauce of whatis scientifically sound and what
is effective.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Totally agree.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
There is kind of like a camp of individuals that are
moving towards offering Moreevidence-based, more
evidence-based.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, there's.
Evidence-based is definitelyemerging more mainstream now,
with all the PhDs and you knowjust real scientists out there
who are going like no, no, no,no, no, yeah, yeah.
And then there'd be there's, Ithink, what.
What it was is like if you sawthis like huge cohort, like in
the early aughts and and likethe 2010s area, where it was
(11:13):
kind of like the wild west ofsocial media and it's like, oh,
I can just say things.
People just like follow.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh, then you got all these blowhards up there I just
eat like a pint of raspberries aday, and that's all you need to
do Like raspberry ketones ifyou want to lose weight.
That's all right and I was like, well, okay, maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And then I think what was happening is like, you know
, real scientists probably justdidn't.
They might've been a little bitof a later adopter of social
media, because they're not.
They were probably gettingtheir PhDs.
All these other chumps werejust on there.
They were like, well, I'm justgoing to say things and see what
happens, right, right.
And then now you're seeing thisnext wave, this next gen, where
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all these really smart andanother thing is like you just
continue following the rightpeople and then the algorithms
continue to send you the rightpeople.
Right, you keep followingzealots that are preaching
whatever, uh, their dogma.
And the instagram goes oh, helikes the crazy ones.
Keep sending him more of thesepeople to follow and then, all
of a sudden, your whole feed isjust all these crazies and you
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get siloed off into your ownecho chamber and you think that,
like, that's just what everyonesees?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
well, yeah, there's, there's.
I got 30 people telling me toeat raw.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You know they raw cow brain, you know yeah like like
and so and so now, now you'reseeing this huge movement of
like you know just the rightpeople coming up, evidence-based
which, by the way, if you'rejust that's really what you want
to look for is like is thisreal, is this clinical or is
this anecdotal, right?
Yeah, 100 like.
Is this guy just making shit upbecause whatever?
Or is it like researched andand published and there's
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actually studies around it?
Because, let me tell yousomething, fitness and health
and weight loss and nutrition isthe most researched topic in
the world.
Yeah, so, trust me, if there isa question out there, there is
a pub meds study.
You can you can go and read andeducate yourself and find the
right people who can, you know,distill that information down
into their content.
But yeah, I totally agree thatlike we're just kind of this
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next generation of influencerswhere it's like serious people
that are data driven andevidence-based and like they're
putting out the rightinformation which is which is
awesome, but what I also willsay is that that tends to be
also kind of boring, I mean youknow, yeah, we, we do our best.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I would say yeah on our our little show here to do
our best to to stick to what weknow to be evidence-based and we
know it's boring, but we do it.
Yeah, no, but I think there's adegree of like.
The message is repeated, andoften the same, because there's
no really way out of it oraround it there's.
There is no magic bullet, thereis no gem of information that's
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going to do the thing.
It's pretty much the this isthe path, and so it kind of I
don't use the word redundant,but it's pretty simple, not
simple, but it's straightforwardand I think what happens is
like the, the shiny extremismcatches people's eye, yep.
And so to hear somebody be likeoh you know, five, ten, twenty
percent calorie deficit, or doten thousand steps, or do
resistance training and trackyour calories and just do that
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over and over and over again,like okay, cool, like I get the
message, but then you gotsomebody in the corner over here
.
That's just like yeah.
What you don't realize is thatif you do, if you, you know,
drink hot lemon water firstthing in the morning and then
you don't eat until 10 am andthen you avoid any carbohydrate.
You know all these kind ofextremes and you know liver king
(14:29):
peptides.
Yeah, you know, like you justeat your raw bone marrow and
your, your heart and your liverevery day, and that's just going
to take care of everything fixit yeah.
So I think there is thesensationalism, and so people
get kind of pulled in that.
And then, like you're justsaying, there is that echo
chamber of the algorithm wherethey just funnel you in and I
think it's like, yeah, shiny,odd, extreme, fun, weird, zany
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things are appealing to our mindand I think it's easy for that
to catch somebody's eye and themto fall down the rabbit hole
versus just like count yourcalories, you know.
And so I think that's one ofthe the pitfalls of social media
and it's like you know we will,mere exposure effect is, you
know, the phenomenon ofaccepting something you're
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exposed to more and more yeah,yeah it's.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's literally documented.
It's like the law of psychologyor something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, it's just like you know.
So if, like the first time,somebody says like I don't know,
freaking, anything like goingto bed early is bad yeah,
broccoli's bad.
You're like no no, broccoli'sgreat, but you hear broccoli's
bad enough and you might startto consider it and then all of a
sudden you might say, isbroccoli bad for you?
and then all of a sudden youfind an article that talks about
how this one person said thatwhen they ate broccoli they
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broke out in hives.
And then next thing you knowyou're just like all vegetables
are bad for you, fiber is bad,and the anti-nutrients and the
leptins, and you know you justgo down the rabbit hole of like.
And there's just so many peopleout there that I mean it's
crazy, these influencers thatyou know, like I.
Like I said, I watched this onedoctor.
It's got dr ids who doeseverything science-based,
(16:01):
peer-reviewed, and he basicallyjust debunks influencers that
are especially in God.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Bless his heart, yeah , especially in the nutrition
industry.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And it's just like wow, you got these people just
like using fear so much.
And so this is another big oneis like fear based kind of
funneling of your belief systemRight they like it's such a big
trend right now to see peoplegoing around like the
supermarkets and like pulling itout like a thing off the shelf
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and just being like, all right,let's take a look at these
silent catastrophe.
Like, yeah, let's look at theseoats.
Okay, well, what you'll noticehere is that there's, you know,
sulfur added and you're like didyou know that sulfur is?
You know, do?
You know, and it's just likeit's such a weird world, because
fear definitely is a veryeffective motivator.
And what you'll always notice isthat somewhere down the line
they're selling somethingSomewhere down the line they're
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sponsored or something andthey're really, in my opinion,
just like using fear andnonsense and all these tactics
to funnel you into that echochamber and to their belief
system, to get you to buysomething and spend some money
into that echo chamber and totheir belief system to get you
to buy something and spend somemoney.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You know it just taps into, like our primal brain of,
just like we.
I mean think about you know,back before we had, you know,
modern technology where we couldshare information and the click
of a button where it was juststories that got told and go
these villages and theseignorant people had no idea and
you'd sell them all this licksare here exactly the old thing
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yeah, like, oh, timmy herecouldn't walk, and then he took
one sip of this and then theywheel somebody out in a
wheelchair, give him a sip andhe jumps up and he starts tap
dancing, you know, andnow and now the.
The new version of that is youknow, when people don't
understand something, thenthey're just susceptible to this
and you start saying big wordsand you string them together in
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a way that's semi-coherent andpeople tend to believe you and
they get afraid and then youknow next thing, you know
they're pulling their wallet outand it's crazy, but it's true.
And so, anyways, like I thinkthat, like this, the solution to
this is really likecategorizing entertainment
versus education as this guy I'mnot gonna listen to a damn, I'm
not gonna take anything he saysas truth.
(18:12):
I just think he's funny, likethe liver king.
Yeah, I'll enjoy some liverking videos well, if you just
want to like watch a video ofhim like simultaneously eating
like a bull testicle while he'slike shooting with his with with
his gun on his ranch in Texas,bless your heart, go for it, but
don't buy a supplements Likecome on Like he's full of shit,
he's on steroids, he's you know,it's like, it's like none of
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that is because he eats rawbowls.
He just takes steroids and sothat's why he looks that way.
Like you got people who arelike phds on instagram and
youtube who are saying some realshit, some spouting out some
fucking knowledge, and it's likeyou know what this guy's good
he can go into like theeducation camp, and I think that
we're not.
(18:55):
Phones and social mediaprobably aren't going away
anytime soon, and so I justwould encourage everyone to like
consider their news feed design.
So consider news feed design.
Follow people who inspire.
You sure have have the, thecharacters that just entertain
you, but like the, it should beat 80, 20, it should be 20 just
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entertainment, but then, like,80 of your news feed should be
people that truly educate youand challenge your thoughts
around what's you know.
Like and show real evidence onthe latest studies around the
things you're wondering about,or have really solid information
.
Like, because if you do that,then it's like next thing you
know you're on social media andit's like you have a feed full
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of like mentors.
In a way, it's like greatrelationship coach.
He's talking about how torethink.
You know, conversations withyour significant other oh,
that's really helpful tip.
The next person is like a, youknow, a phd in nutrition who's
talking about like hey, don'tbelieve this crap, it's not true
.
Like, don't over complicate it,you know, just keep it simple.
Oh, that's a good point too.
And now it's like yourexperience with social media
(19:58):
isn't so like sensational.
It's like it's just like, oh,actually finish that 10 minute
scroll sesh like kind oflearning of something you know,
and so redesigning that newsfeed I think is is super
important at the further we godown this rabbit hole of social
media.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, because you know it's.
It was actually the I was justlistening to like a financial
podcast that I mentioned all theway over, yeah and um,
basically what the the host wassaying to the guy, who the guy
just, you know basically.
But the host was saying thatthere's a lot of information
because the guy has a try.
He was like a trucker and hedrives all day and so he's like,
yeah, but you know, I've reallyeducated myself on finances,
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I've really improved myfinancial awareness and prowess
over the last however many years, and really he had no idea
still what he was talking about.
And the guy was just like, oh,but I have like the information.
And the host was like there's alot of information out there,
but some of it's good and someof it's bad.
Right, so you might belistening to a podcast on
finances, but and you might beobtaining information or
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knowledge, so to speak, but likethat knowledge might not be
correct or effective knowledge.
And I think in the end, you know, social media as a whole is
going to encompass all thingsthat politics and relationships,
and but what I would say abouthealth and fitness is that
there's a science behind it.
So, like relationships, youknow, obviously there's educated
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people that are therapists,there's there's modalities, but
you know the human design.
There's different personalities, there's different
compatibilities, there's a lot,but the human design.
There's different personalities, there's different
compatibilities.
There's a lot more, I think, ofdynamics that could go into
that, but things that could help.
But for me, I think, withhealth and fitness it's pretty
straightforward.
There's not really a lot ofwiggle room.
And so politics yeah, you mighthave different belief systems.
(21:42):
The policies you might have adifferent opinion on the policy.
Yeah, you might have differentbelief systems.
The the policies you might havea different opinion on the
policy.
Like there's a lot more roomfor stuff, but I think for the
most part general health andfitness, general health.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
We're not talking like like a cohort of like
cancer survivors or likediabetics or post-menopause.
We're talking like just generalwell-being and fitness.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And so it's pretty, it's pretty straightforward,
it's pretty science-backedthere's not really a lot of
wiggle room, and so I thinkhaving some critical thinking
and and having getting yourselfon a good path of education will
start to lead you down a roadwhere you can start to like hear
through the noise pretty,totally, you know.
I mean, if you were just likelistening to a podcast that had
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two health and fitnessprofessionals on it that you
know know what, might know whatthey're talking about a little
bit.
Happen to have a 10-day detoxwe're launching, so if you're
interested, but really I thinkthat's the thing with health and
fitness specifically is thatthere there isn't a lot of
wiggle room based on the sciencethere isn't, and you know, and
like, here's the thing, you canlook at that two ways of like
well then, why would I need tolisten to you guys?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
well, the thing is, is that, like, even like,
mastery is essentiallyunderstanding the nuances of
something better and better asyou as you go.
And so it's like yes, there,yes, there are proteins, carbs
and fats, there are calorieceilings, there's kind of like
base.
You know, daily activity weshould all do, we should all
exercise, we should all do somesort of resistance training.
Those are all the sort ofgenerals that you'll.
(23:05):
Here's my life.
And now how do I take theselike pretty straightforward
pillars of health, right, andthen apply that into my unique
situation?
And that's where the listenernow needs to, you know, get to
that point where it's like okay,I understand all this stuff,
(23:26):
but like there's a differencebetween conceptual understanding
and tacit understanding.
Conceptual understanding is Iread a book on finances and I
understand, I get the concept Iget it yeah I was probably the
guy on the radio, buttacit is.
I applied these principles inthis book for a year and I I
demonstrably improve myfinancial situation through this
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system.
That's tacit experience, likeoh, that's tacit understanding,
and tacit experience like I didit, and so you'll hear us repeat
the same shit over and overagain.
Guys, like often, we don't needto be taught new things.
We need to be reminded of theprinciples of life and the
foundational principles of life,and so it's like now, what are
you going to do with thatinformation?
You're going to apply it or youjust are?
You just you know, is it?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
is this just infotainment that you hear and
you're like oh, that's a goodpoint, but you don't actually do
anything.
Yeah, it's like the practicalapplication of something right,
it's like you can have inherentknowledge about it, but it's
like, if you understand, like,oh, okay, yes, I need to be in a
caloric deficit in order tolose body fat.
That's a pretty straightforwardstatement.
Makes makes a pretty simpleidea, makes sense.
You could tell that, uh, I'dsay probably most people, and
(24:32):
they'd immediately be like Iunderstand, that, makes perfect
sense totally, so now they havethat knowledge, but but but then
to live that right?
how do you apply that to yourparticular lifestyle, your
eating habits, your dietaryrestrictions, your preferences?
Is is a whole other gamut,right?
So it's like yeah, okay, cool,just just eat less calories, got
(24:54):
it, okay?
So what's that look like foryou?
Yeah, well, how are you gonnado that?
What's what's the actual?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
lived experience, yeah, so and then it's also like
okay, understand that I need toeat, you know, 500 calories
less than what my body burns.
All that sounds good.
Maybe even you take the stepand maybe even try it, but now
you find yourself fucking hungry, and this was.
I didn't expect this.
Wait a second.
I feel hungry and cranky andnow I don't have the tools like
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the self-development and themindset training and the tools
to understand what's going onand to see myself in the
situation, instead of just likebeing in it and reacting to my
emotions, but able to punch backa layer or two and just witness
this and be like it's okay, I'mhungry but I'm not starving.
It stands to reason.
(25:45):
I ate a little bit less.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
My body's going to be like hey, buddy, we want that
ice cream bowl.
Well, it's just increasedghrelin, levels.
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well it is yeah and so, and so you know, that's like
, that's.
Those are the layers of nuancethat if we allow ourselves to go
down these very basicprinciples but we allow
ourselves to kind of go deeperinto them, then we understand
these deeper levels of nuancethat that come with a simple
calorie deficit, right, or youknow whatever.
And so that's the game, verystraightforward, foundational
(26:16):
pillars.
The breadth isn't so crazy, butthe depth, I would argue, is
very, very long.
Yeah, I feel you know, and youhave to experience yourself,
through vacations and summersand falls and winters, and
holidays and birthdays, andchallenge these, these impulses
and cravings, and that's wherewe create mastery on very simple
principle of just eating lessfood.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
There it is.
So don't listen to influencers.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
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All right guys, that was.
50% of the population gets their news from social
media, which so many peoplefollow.
Fitness influencers that lookamazing have aspirational bodies
, but then maybe they'repreaching ways, tactics,
methodology to achieve said bodyin ways that may or may not
actually have any substantial orevidence-based reasoning behind
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it.
Welcome to In the Grand Schemeof Fitness, episode 58.
We're almost there we're makingreal progress.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
My name is Justin Scallard and I am Ethan Wolfe
and we are your co-hosts.
I guess I was going to sayco-hosts, but we're your
co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We are the co-hosts.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We are co-hosting, and today, guys, we're going to
be talking about you know, justnot to basically social media
and how I think most of us getour news.
I think they were sayingsomething like 50% of the
population gets their news fromsocial media, which isn't
necessarily a good thing or abad thing.
It really just kind of dependson the source.
But in our industry inparticular, so many people
(01:12):
follow fitness influencers thatlook amazing, have, you know,
aspirational bodies, but thenmaybe they're preaching ways,
tactics, methodology to achievesaid body in ways that may or
may not actually have anysubstantial or, you know,
evidence-based reasoning behindit.
(01:34):
It's just, they have goodgenetics, they would have looked
great no matter what they did,and so we just got to be careful
about that stuff.
So we're going to kind of diginto that today and just sort of
like talk about our ownexperiences with it and just
sort of like how you guys canmake sure that you don't fall
into the trap of watchingsomeone's highlight reel,
because, let's be honest,instagram, tiktok, it's people's
(01:54):
, especially in the fitnessspace.
It's people's highlight reels,of course, when they are like
finishing a cut and all of asudden they take a bunch of
different pictures of themselves, and I post them over the next
three months.
You know it's like that is asliver of reality, but, you know
, to be taken with a littlegrain of salt as well.
So, anyway, so one thing that Iwill say that we kind of talked
(02:15):
about when we were getting readyfor the show is that when we
look at people who we aspire tobe like physically, you know,
and we look at how strong theyare, how fast they are, how lean
they are, like whatever, wehave to understand that.
Let me give you guys an examplelike Michael Phelps is a good
(02:36):
swimmer because he's six footfour and has a seven foot
wingspan, you know.
And so there's just a geneticcomponent that we can't avoid
and we can't escape.
And if we're looking at peopleaspirationally, we just have to
make sure that we're doing it ina way where it's like we
understand that, a we'rewatching highlight reels and B,
(02:57):
there's a genetic component thatwe just may or may not ever
have.
And so, as long as we canextrapolate that down and, you
know, take what works and leavewhat doesn't apply to our life,
probably not the worst thing,but just a lot of people are, I
think, drinking the Kool-Aid alittle too much on what is or
isn't based off of something.
That is just a genetic lottery.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's like another way to look,
a certain way.
And so they look at a swimmer'sbody or, excuse me, they look
like a bodybuilder and they'relike, oh, they're too big and
bulky, you know.
Or they look like a longdistance runner, marathon runner
along there.
It's like, oh, they're kind oftoo lean and withered, or you
(03:37):
know, they look like or not, youknow, wither, but they just
don't.
That's not the look I wanteither.
And they might look at aswimmer's body and be like, oh,
they kind of have those likelong muscles, they.
They look a certain way, sothey look toned.
Yeah, they have that.
They just got that's that's kindof that middle ground I'm
looking for.
And so then they'll go andthey'll be like, well, if
they're a swimmer, I'll startswimming, because obviously,
right, the swimmer swimming is,that's the modality, that's
(03:57):
what's going to get me there.
Yeah, then they swim for a yearand that might be in better
shape, that might have even lostbody fat.
But realistically, they'reprobably not going to look like
that swimmer ideology in termsof aesthetics that they thought
they were going to.
And that's because of thatexact point that the, the
swimmers are geneticallydispositioned.
You know, it's like alinebacker is a linebacker not
(04:18):
probably because of the way hetrains, but because he was born
a linebacker because he's youknow 5, 11 and 230 pounds and
can back, squat 450 and likejump 50 inches in the air.
You know like, yeah, you cantrain and everyone can improve
through training you can use themodalities, but I think it's
having a realistic expectationof what the outcome is and so
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it's like if you want to trainstrongman, because you like the
sensation of lifting a sandbagor an odd object or doing farmer
carriers and you feel strongerand it's going to be good for
you.
I mean, I think any training ofany type is good, whether it's
swimming or anything.
But realistically, if you'renot built like a strongman,
you're probably not going tohave strongman numbers and do
strongman feats.
You might train like astrongman, you might get the
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benefits from it.
That's not a bad thing, but Iwouldn't necessarily expect the
outcome of being in the caliberof a strong man, and so I think
it's like, whether it'sperformance based or aesthetic
based, as having like all themodalities are good.
Any movement's good.
I'll encourage any avenue.
I think it's just more of likewhat the realistic expectations
are and why are you doing it andare you doing it because you
(05:22):
enjoy it or because you'reexpecting a certain outcome?
and then is that, if you'redoing it for outcome based, is
that outcome like based inreality?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
yeah, yeah, is there and then that's like an
aesthetic thing too.
It's like they are that wayless of their training and the
training has a lot to do with itbut more of like at some point
in their life a coach been like,hey, you have the body of a
swimmer, like you could probablygo far, yeah, and then and then
they oriented their life aroundachieving high levels in that
sport.
But I think also probably morecommon, a little bit more subtle
(05:52):
, is when it's not just aboutlike fitness, but then it kind
of turns into like a healthconversation of like oh well,
this person online says thatcarbohydrates are bad and
they're in really good shape.
They don't eat carbs.
So then it must be that likecarbs are bad.
Right, or I should.
Maybe I should consider givingup carbs.
Or one that I've been seeing islike this girl in a whole
(06:13):
spandex outfit lifting weights,talking about not all creatine
is the same and if you're nottaking the right creatine, then
you're not going to get results.
And then of course, her body'samazing, yeah, and so she's
selling like a hundred dollarcreatine gummy.
That's supposed to be somethingabout differently, when the
reality is that creatine is acommodity and anyone can get
(06:35):
monohydrate for like a dollar onamazon and it works.
so the exact same, and I thinkthat when we see people like
that, people talking aboutdifferent beauty products, and
they just so happen to bebeautiful- so maybe that's the
secret.
It's just this lotion orwhatever the creatine gummies,
because she's got a big butt andshe takes these.
Maybe if I take them, I'll havea thin waist and a big butt too
, right, and it's like I don'tknow if the creatine came first
(06:58):
in this equation Probably not.
I think that there probably alot of stuff that happened.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I was going to say I'm sure that endorsement
deal came along for her Turningheads before creatine ever came
into the picture you know, andso it's just like be wary of it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's like man cause it comes in different like this,
the same package and differentwrapping, all the time with like
, oh, this chiropractor is nowselling these detoxes and it's
like, it's like validationenough, oh, he's a chiropractor,
so it must be okay.
But if you think about it likewell, what does that have to do
with?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
like a juice cleanse, though, you know, yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, 100 when Iespecially think when there's
products involved, it's extratricky just because you have
endorsements and paid.
You know advertising throughindividuals and then anytime
there's profits involved in thatcapacity, it's like you always
got to look out for the snakeoil or just.
(07:52):
It's just one of those thingswhere how much is that girl
getting paid by that company For?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
sure it's not her brand.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
To sell those creatine gummies just because
she's hot.
And they probably lookedthrough, of course, and however
many thousands of influencersthat were hot and were like, oh,
look at you, okay, we'll chooseyou.
And then just because you knoweverybody, everybody has that
built into them.
Yeah, I mean everyone's got aprice right.
Well, that's all I mean.
What I mean by that is, likeanybody, you see somebody
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beautiful or in shape orsomething that we aspire to, and
it automatically influences us.
It's so true, we just we aremagnetized, or whether they're
smart or they're hot or they'resuper lean, it's like we
automatically are like, oh, thathas valid validity now.
So especially for products,it's like, oh man, you really
got to watch.
And again, it's like you know,if somebody's selling like some
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doctor you know, one of myclients was a doctor that had
this like kind of some type ofbasically fasted cleanse thing
you know, fundamentally it wasjust like 500 calorie a day,
fasting period, you know, andthey sent you the food.
They sent you some soup and theysent you some this and like
again, there are benefits todecrease calories, like she was
a doctor, selling it to herpatients.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No, no, no, she was somebody who did the cleanse.
Oh, who did the cleanse?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And she was like, the doctor was their friend and the
doctor seemed like alegitimately educated individual
, and it's just again.
it's one of those things likethere's this gray area, like we
all know that restrictedcalories are good for you no
matter what.
So, whether or not, in myopinion, you're doing a five-day
fast, that's going to have abenefit, or you're doing
long-term calorie restriction,like it just shows that like the
less we eat, the more healthywe are, and so it comes in many
(09:28):
forms and it's going to bebenefit from doing 500 calories
a day for five days.
Yeah, I think that, just likein a general sense, there is
going to be more good than theless we eat.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
To an extent, obviously, like you can't.
Yeah, you know you've got 500guys, but that's why it's a
short thing.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But I'm saying like if somebody did that, I don't
think they're going to be worseoff, like I don't think they're
going to come on the other sideof that Less healthy.
I think there's going to besomewhat benefits, but is it a
good modality for losing weight?
No, you know what I mean, and Ithink that most people would
look at that as a form of weightloss.
I know that's a bad thing, butmaybe you're doing it for you
(10:09):
know insulin sensitivity, maybeyou're doing it for the benefits
of fasting and hormoneregulation, but most of the I
would say 99% of people areprobably doing that for weight
loss and it's probably a reallypoor option for weight loss.
And so it's just.
There's just so much potentialfor gray and I think that people
are uneducated and they assumeone thing about this and they
assume one thing about the other.
And there's so much informationout there and one of the things
(10:30):
I want to say is I don't thinkall influencers are bad.
No, not at all.
I think there's especially inthe fitness industry.
I think right now I'm seeinglike there is kind of this
reduction in the sauce of whatis scientifically sound and what
is effective.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Totally agree.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
There is kind of like a camp of individuals that are
moving towards offering Moreevidence-based, more
evidence-based.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, there's.
Evidence-based is definitelyemerging more mainstream now,
with all the PhDs and you knowjust real scientists out there
who are going like no, no, no,no, no, yeah, yeah.
And then there'd be there's, Ithink, what.
What it was is like if you sawthis like huge cohort, like in
the early aughts and and likethe 2010s area, where it was
(11:13):
kind of like the wild west ofsocial media and it's like, oh,
I can just say things.
People just like follow.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Oh, then you got all these blowhards up there I just
eat like a pint of raspberries aday, and that's all you need to
do Like raspberry ketones ifyou want to lose weight.
That's all right and I was like, well, okay, maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And then I think what was happening is like, you know
, real scientists probably justdidn't.
They might've been a little bitof a later adopter of social
media, because they're not.
They were probably gettingtheir PhDs.
All these other chumps werejust on there.
They were like, well, I'm justgoing to say things and see what
happens, right, right.
And then now you're seeing thisnext wave, this next gen, where
(11:53):
all these really smart andanother thing is like you just
continue following the rightpeople and then the algorithms
continue to send you the rightpeople.
Right, you keep followingzealots that are preaching
whatever, uh, their dogma.
And the instagram goes oh, helikes the crazy ones.
Keep sending him more of thesepeople to follow and then, all
of a sudden, your whole feed isjust all these crazies and you
(12:14):
get siloed off into your ownecho chamber and you think that,
like, that's just what everyonesees?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
well, yeah, there's, there's.
I got 30 people telling me toeat raw.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You know they raw cow brain, you know yeah like like
and so and so now, now you'reseeing this huge movement of
like you know just the rightpeople coming up, evidence-based
which, by the way, if you'rejust that's really what you want
to look for is like is thisreal, is this clinical or is
this anecdotal, right?
Yeah, 100 like.
Is this guy just making shit upbecause whatever?
Or is it like researched andand published and there's
(12:45):
actually studies around it?
Because, let me tell yousomething, fitness and health
and weight loss and nutrition isthe most researched topic in
the world.
Yeah, so, trust me, if there isa question out there, there is
a pub meds study.
You can you can go and read andeducate yourself and find the
right people who can, you know,distill that information down
into their content.
But yeah, I totally agree thatlike we're just kind of this
(13:07):
next generation of influencerswhere it's like serious people
that are data driven andevidence-based and like they're
putting out the rightinformation which is which is
awesome, but what I also willsay is that that tends to be
also kind of boring, I mean youknow, yeah, we, we do our best.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I would say yeah on our our little show here to do
our best to to stick to what weknow to be evidence-based and we
know it's boring, but we do it.
Yeah, no, but I think there's adegree of like.
The message is repeated, andoften the same, because there's
no really way out of it oraround it there's.
There is no magic bullet, thereis no gem of information that's
(13:46):
going to do the thing.
It's pretty much the this isthe path, and so it kind of I
don't use the word redundant,but it's pretty simple, not
simple, but it's straightforwardand I think what happens is
like the, the shiny extremismcatches people's eye, yep.
And so to hear somebody be likeoh you know, five, ten, twenty
percent calorie deficit, or doten thousand steps, or do
resistance training and trackyour calories and just do that
(14:07):
over and over and over again,like okay, cool, like I get the
message, but then you gotsomebody in the corner over here
.
That's just like yeah.
What you don't realize is thatif you do, if you, you know,
drink hot lemon water firstthing in the morning and then
you don't eat until 10 am andthen you avoid any carbohydrate.
You know all these kind ofextremes and you know liver king
(14:29):
peptides.
Yeah, you know, like you justeat your raw bone marrow and
your, your heart and your liverevery day, and that's just going
to take care of everything fixit yeah.
So I think there is thesensationalism, and so people
get kind of pulled in that.
And then, like you're justsaying, there is that echo
chamber of the algorithm wherethey just funnel you in and I
think it's like, yeah, shiny,odd, extreme, fun, weird, zany
(14:52):
things are appealing to our mindand I think it's easy for that
to catch somebody's eye and themto fall down the rabbit hole
versus just like count yourcalories, you know.
And so I think that's one ofthe the pitfalls of social media
and it's like you know we will,mere exposure effect is, you
know, the phenomenon ofaccepting something you're
(15:13):
exposed to more and more yeah,yeah it's.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's literally documented.
It's like the law of psychologyor something like that.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, it's just like you know.
So if, like the first time,somebody says like I don't know,
freaking, anything like goingto bed early is bad yeah,
broccoli's bad.
You're like no no, broccoli'sgreat, but you hear broccoli's
bad enough and you might startto consider it and then all of a
sudden you might say, isbroccoli bad for you?
and then all of a sudden youfind an article that talks about
how this one person said thatwhen they ate broccoli they
(15:40):
broke out in hives.
And then next thing you knowyou're just like all vegetables
are bad for you, fiber is bad,and the anti-nutrients and the
leptins, and you know you justgo down the rabbit hole of like.
And there's just so many peopleout there that I mean it's
crazy, these influencers thatyou know, like I.
Like I said, I watched this onedoctor.
It's got dr ids who doeseverything science-based,
(16:01):
peer-reviewed, and he basicallyjust debunks influencers that
are especially in God.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Bless his heart, yeah , especially in the nutrition
industry.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And it's just like wow, you got these people just
like using fear so much.
And so this is another big oneis like fear based kind of
funneling of your belief systemRight they like it's such a big
trend right now to see peoplegoing around like the
supermarkets and like pulling itout like a thing off the shelf
(16:31):
and just being like, all right,let's take a look at these
silent catastrophe.
Like, yeah, let's look at theseoats.
Okay, well, what you'll noticehere is that there's, you know,
sulfur added and you're like didyou know that sulfur is?
You know, do?
You know, and it's just likeit's such a weird world, because
fear definitely is a veryeffective motivator.
And what you'll always notice isthat somewhere down the line
they're selling somethingSomewhere down the line they're
(16:52):
sponsored or something andthey're really, in my opinion,
just like using fear andnonsense and all these tactics
to funnel you into that echochamber and to their belief
system, to get you to buysomething and spend some money
into that echo chamber and totheir belief system to get you
to buy something and spend somemoney.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You know it just taps into, like our primal brain of,
just like we.
I mean think about you know,back before we had, you know,
modern technology where we couldshare information and the click
of a button where it was juststories that got told and go
these villages and theseignorant people had no idea and
you'd sell them all this licksare here exactly the old thing
(17:28):
yeah, like, oh, timmy herecouldn't walk, and then he took
one sip of this and then theywheel somebody out in a
wheelchair, give him a sip andhe jumps up and he starts tap
dancing, you know, andnow and now the.
The new version of that is youknow, when people don't
understand something, thenthey're just susceptible to this
and you start saying big wordsand you string them together in
(17:50):
a way that's semi-coherent andpeople tend to believe you and
they get afraid and then youknow next thing, you know
they're pulling their wallet outand it's crazy, but it's true.
And so, anyways, like I thinkthat, like this, the solution to
this is really likecategorizing entertainment
versus education as this guy I'mnot gonna listen to a damn, I'm
not gonna take anything he saysas truth.
(18:12):
I just think he's funny, likethe liver king.
Yeah, I'll enjoy some liverking videos well, if you just
want to like watch a video ofhim like simultaneously eating
like a bull testicle while he'slike shooting with his with with
his gun on his ranch in Texas,bless your heart, go for it, but
don't buy a supplements Likecome on Like he's full of shit,
he's on steroids, he's you know,it's like, it's like none of
(18:34):
that is because he eats rawbowls.
He just takes steroids and sothat's why he looks that way.
Like you got people who arelike phds on instagram and
youtube who are saying some realshit, some spouting out some
fucking knowledge, and it's likeyou know what this guy's good
he can go into like theeducation camp, and I think that
we're not.
(18:55):
Phones and social mediaprobably aren't going away
anytime soon, and so I justwould encourage everyone to like
consider their news feed design.
So consider news feed design.
Follow people who inspire.
You sure have have the, thecharacters that just entertain
you, but like the, it should beat 80, 20, it should be 20 just
(19:16):
entertainment, but then, like,80 of your news feed should be
people that truly educate youand challenge your thoughts
around what's you know.
Like and show real evidence onthe latest studies around the
things you're wondering about,or have really solid information
.
Like, because if you do that,then it's like next thing you
know you're on social media andit's like you have a feed full
(19:37):
of like mentors.
In a way, it's like greatrelationship coach.
He's talking about how torethink.
You know, conversations withyour significant other oh,
that's really helpful tip.
The next person is like a, youknow, a phd in nutrition who's
talking about like hey, don'tbelieve this crap, it's not true
.
Like, don't over complicate it,you know, just keep it simple.
Oh, that's a good point too.
And now it's like yourexperience with social media
(19:58):
isn't so like sensational.
It's like it's just like, oh,actually finish that 10 minute
scroll sesh like kind oflearning of something you know,
and so redesigning that newsfeed I think is is super
important at the further we godown this rabbit hole of social
media.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, because you know it's.
It was actually the I was justlistening to like a financial
podcast that I mentioned all theway over, yeah and um,
basically what the the host wassaying to the guy, who the guy
just, you know basically.
But the host was saying thatthere's a lot of information
because the guy has a try.
He was like a trucker and hedrives all day and so he's like,
yeah, but you know, I've reallyeducated myself on finances,
(20:36):
I've really improved myfinancial awareness and prowess
over the last however many years, and really he had no idea
still what he was talking about.
And the guy was just like, oh,but I have like the information.
And the host was like there's alot of information out there,
but some of it's good and someof it's bad.
Right, so you might belistening to a podcast on
finances, but and you might beobtaining information or
(21:00):
knowledge, so to speak, but likethat knowledge might not be
correct or effective knowledge.
And I think in the end, you know, social media as a whole is
going to encompass all thingsthat politics and relationships,
and but what I would say abouthealth and fitness is that
there's a science behind it.
So, like relationships, youknow, obviously there's educated
(21:20):
people that are therapists,there's there's modalities, but
you know the human design.
There's different personalities, there's different
compatibilities, there's a lot,but the human design.
There's different personalities, there's different
compatibilities.
There's a lot more, I think, ofdynamics that could go into
that, but things that could help.
But for me, I think, withhealth and fitness it's pretty
straightforward.
There's not really a lot ofwiggle room.
And so politics yeah, you mighthave different belief systems.
(21:42):
The policies you might have adifferent opinion on the policy.
Yeah, you might have differentbelief systems.
The the policies you might havea different opinion on the
policy.
Like there's a lot more roomfor stuff, but I think for the
most part general health andfitness, general health.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
We're not talking like like a cohort of like
cancer survivors or likediabetics or post-menopause.
We're talking like just generalwell-being and fitness.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And so it's pretty, it's pretty straightforward,
it's pretty science-backedthere's not really a lot of
wiggle room, and so I thinkhaving some critical thinking
and and having getting yourselfon a good path of education will
start to lead you down a roadwhere you can start to like hear
through the noise pretty,totally, you know.
I mean, if you were just likelistening to a podcast that had
(22:22):
two health and fitnessprofessionals on it that you
know know what, might know whatthey're talking about a little
bit.
Happen to have a 10-day detoxwe're launching, so if you're
interested, but really I thinkthat's the thing with health and
fitness specifically is thatthere there isn't a lot of
wiggle room based on the sciencethere isn't, and you know, and
like, here's the thing, you canlook at that two ways of like
well then, why would I need tolisten to you guys?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
well, the thing is, is that, like, even like,
mastery is essentiallyunderstanding the nuances of
something better and better asyou as you go.
And so it's like yes, there,yes, there are proteins, carbs
and fats, there are calorieceilings, there's kind of like
base.
You know, daily activity weshould all do, we should all
exercise, we should all do somesort of resistance training.
Those are all the sort ofgenerals that you'll.
(23:05):
Here's my life.
And now how do I take theselike pretty straightforward
pillars of health, right, andthen apply that into my unique
situation?
And that's where the listenernow needs to, you know, get to
that point where it's like okay,I understand all this stuff,
(23:26):
but like there's a differencebetween conceptual understanding
and tacit understanding.
Conceptual understanding is Iread a book on finances and I
understand, I get the concept Iget it yeah I was probably the
guy on the radio, buttacit is.
I applied these principles inthis book for a year and I I
demonstrably improve myfinancial situation through this
(23:49):
system.
That's tacit experience, likeoh, that's tacit understanding,
and tacit experience like I didit, and so you'll hear us repeat
the same shit over and overagain.
Guys, like often, we don't needto be taught new things.
We need to be reminded of theprinciples of life and the
foundational principles of life,and so it's like now, what are
you going to do with thatinformation?
You're going to apply it or youjust are?
You just you know, is it?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
is this just infotainment that you hear and
you're like oh, that's a goodpoint, but you don't actually do
anything.
Yeah, it's like the practicalapplication of something right,
it's like you can have inherentknowledge about it, but it's
like, if you understand, like,oh, okay, yes, I need to be in a
caloric deficit in order tolose body fat.
That's a pretty straightforwardstatement.
Makes makes a pretty simpleidea, makes sense.
You could tell that, uh, I'dsay probably most people, and
(24:32):
they'd immediately be like Iunderstand, that, makes perfect
sense totally, so now they havethat knowledge, but but but then
to live that right?
how do you apply that to yourparticular lifestyle, your
eating habits, your dietaryrestrictions, your preferences?
Is is a whole other gamut,right?
So it's like yeah, okay, cool,just just eat less calories, got
(24:54):
it, okay?
So what's that look like foryou?
Yeah, well, how are you gonnado that?
What's what's the actual?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
lived experience, yeah, so and then it's also like
okay, understand that I need toeat, you know, 500 calories
less than what my body burns.
All that sounds good.
Maybe even you take the stepand maybe even try it, but now
you find yourself fucking hungry, and this was.
I didn't expect this.
Wait a second.
I feel hungry and cranky andnow I don't have the tools like
(25:24):
the self-development and themindset training and the tools
to understand what's going onand to see myself in the
situation, instead of just likebeing in it and reacting to my
emotions, but able to punch backa layer or two and just witness
this and be like it's okay, I'mhungry but I'm not starving.
It stands to reason.
(25:45):
I ate a little bit less.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
My body's going to be like hey, buddy, we want that
ice cream bowl.
Well, it's just increasedghrelin, levels.
Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well it is yeah and so, and so you know, that's like
, that's.
Those are the layers of nuancethat if we allow ourselves to go
down these very basicprinciples but we allow
ourselves to kind of go deeperinto them, then we understand
these deeper levels of nuancethat that come with a simple
calorie deficit, right, or youknow whatever.
And so that's the game, verystraightforward, foundational
(26:16):
pillars.
The breadth isn't so crazy, butthe depth, I would argue, is
very, very long.
Yeah, I feel you know, and youhave to experience yourself,
through vacations and summersand falls and winters, and
holidays and birthdays, andchallenge these, these impulses
and cravings, and that's wherewe create mastery on very simple
principle of just eating lessfood.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
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So don't listen to influencers.
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