A Deep Dive into Alien Constructs: My Chart Reading with DK Brainard

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Michelle Dowker (00:00):
Today is a different episode and it's a
very special one because I'msharing with you the recording
of my very first session withastrologer DK Bernard three
years ago.
He's the astrologer that I'vebeen telling you about that I
went to go learn more about myown alien patterns and Pluto

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placements because he's one ofthe few that I've been able to
find who has good knowledgeabout these patterns.
And after the session that Ihad with him, I ended up working
with him ongoing for about sixmonths afterwards.
And it's been such a gift.
Learning about these alienpatterns was not just about

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understanding these astrologyplacements.
It was the thing that helped meunderstand myself to such a
deep level.
And learning more and moreabout these alien patterns
allowed me to tap into anotherlevel of my gifts, my abilities,
my strengths that have enabledme to move forward in the

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soul-aligned direction and mypurpose that's been calling to
me pretty much my whole life.
So I share this with youbecause I wanted you to see his
interpretation of my chart andalien charts in general and
Pluto placements, because somany of my clients have alien

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patterns and hard Plutoplacements, like I've been
talking about in the podcastepisodes this season and what's
in the free guidebook.
So you understand the contextaround the sound quality of this
podcast episode.
DK was recording the session onhis side, so you hear me as

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though I'm talking on thetelephone, and he's speaking
directly into the microphone.
So all of his explanations areclear, even though you might be
hearing me speak, and that partdoesn't sound the greatest.
Try to just ignore that partand enjoy the rest of the call.
So if you're curious if you'vegot any type of alien pattern

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placement or hard Plutoplacement, or you just want to
know more about me, I hope thatyou enjoy this session
recording.
I think you're in for a realtreat.
One thing I definitely want tomake sure that we cover today is
understanding um this thingwith Pluto.

DK Brainard (02:40):
Yeah, yeah.
The Pluto thing, you know, inand of itself is so you have two
of the Pluto alien patterns.
Right?
So Sun, Sun, Pluto, Moon,Pluto.
And I mean the moon Pluto islike eight minutes apart, which
is what, an eighth of a degree?
I mean, it's so exact, butthey're they're all they're

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really strong.
I have a Saturn, I'm a Saturnvessel, and mine's about um four
degrees, you know.
So and it that's just plentystrong enough.
But the having the moon andPluto in the same degree, uh I
looked at that and I was like,oh wow, okay.
Um let me tell you a little bitabout how I see the alien
patterns, um, how they tend toshow up in general, and then we

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can look at both of the the, youknow, so the Pluto um vessel
and Pluto Power are very similararchetypally and energetic, but
they have a different energeticas far as how they manifest.
Um but you know, I just tostart out, I would say that uh

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and and and it's in the eighthhouse, which is like just super
crazy.
Um with the Pluto alienpatterns in general, people who
carry them I I they they changedthe plan, so I'll go back and
pick up the general stuff aboutthe alien patterns in a minute.
They just want to go straightinto it.
Yeah.
So that you you have like thisdouble shaman energy.

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And I feel like we volunteer onsome level as souls to take on
these patterns because we youstill have to deal with you know
all the other stuff that yourchart shows, like South Node,
you know, what did I come inwith?
What's my comfort zone?
What's my kind of instinctivegift?
Where do I tend to get stuck inlife?
North Node.
What's the you know,undiscovered country as a soul?

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What's this kind of magneticnorth that's always calling me,
but that feels really scary andunfamiliar?
Saturn, how do I developresponsibility and you know,
develop my internal authorityand structure my life in
appropriate ways?
Mercury, how do I communicate?
You know, all that stuff,right?
And then on top of that, um, soI guess I am going back a

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little bit.
I feel like the the metaphorthat I got years ago, which just
still seems very apt to me, isthat we have like sat down, you
know, as a soul, and of course,in the soul realm we feel no
pain, right?
Time is not linear, um, there'sno gravity like we have here.
And we've sat down and we'velike chosen our sex and our um

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you know race and our um likeour socioeconomic pattern, our
family.
We I think we actually probablychoose family members, you
know, to play certain roles forus and stuff.
And then it's like you look upas you're about to go through
the portal and come down and beborn, and it's like extra
credit, you know, bonus bonusassignment, be an alien pattern

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person.
And you look you're looking atthe board and you're like, oh
wow, Pluto power.
So I would be like this kind ofhigh priest, um, you know,
master teacher leader energy inhelping people um basically like
go deep into their unconsciousshame and fear and all of the

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stuff that you know that they'veinherited from ancestors that's
not even theirs, but it's intheir body and it's like totally
messing up their life.
And then, you know, I can helpthem, I can teach them how to
heal that, and then when theyheal it, they can actually be
empowered, embodied, you know,spiritual beings having this
earthly experience and createthe life that they want for

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themselves and help otherpeople, and then we can like
heal the entire world, right?
Beautiful.
And then Yeah, but what aboutwhat about the people that you
know I wouldn't be able to reachbecause they're not gonna be
wanting to like you know getinto this teaching thing that I
have.
And then it's like, well, Icould also add the Pluto vessel

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pattern, which is more of amagnetic um thing.
So I could pull out from peoplethe you know, like when people
encounter me, I pull up theirdeepest shame and f and deepest
unconscious fear.
And then it's out in the open,and then you know, then I can
use the sun pattern to like helpthem understand how to heal it,
and then you know, it's justgonna be fantastic.
And which it which it is, it'sa like a really you know

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audacious uh life path.
Um I always imagine though,like our soul group is like, you
know, okay, Michelle, just yougotta remember once you get
there, you can't turn it off,you know, and it's like really
heavy there, and people arereally fucked up and shut down
and mean, and you know, you sureyou you and you're like, ah, I

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can handle it, man.
You know, the the length of alifetime is like the blink of an
eye, right?
And in the from the perspectiveof eternity.
It's like, yeah, yeah, just getin there, do it, get out, it's
gonna be awesome.
And so you did.
And here you are.
And um and it's I really feellike the way the alien patterns
work is that you agreed to carrythis You know, it's not a being

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per se.
Um it's more of a a program ora pattern that is gonna be with
you your whole life and um andyou can't turn it off.
You know, you can kind of shutit down for a little while, um,
but then if you if you repressit too hard, I mean it just
blows up with horribleconsequences.

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I'm sure some of what you'veexperienced.
Um because and that's the likethe basic alien pattern um sort
of framework or story.
And the the guy who you knowdiscovered these called them
alien patterns not because hethought that you know we were
extraterrestrials, at least henever says that he did.
Um but because everybody thathe encountered, he was an

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astrologer with these patternshad a similar story of
alienation that started prettyearly in childhood.
And you know, so it's like whenyou come into the world with
these patterns, they're alwayson, even when you're a little
baby, you know.
And so basically with the theum power alien pattern, the sun,

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Pluto, you're always radiatingout like the sun, right?
You're radiating out thisenergy of the bandwidth of
Pluto, which is basically evolveor die.
You know, it's like you gottago.
Pluto says, um you know I don'treally use the modern
rulerships, but I'm a very uhvery much, but I am aware of

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them in astrology.
And Pluto is the modern rulerof of Scorpio, sort of makes
sense.
And of course you get a lot ofScorpio too, just to make sure,
you know, that you didn't missthe boat on this one.
Um sorry for laughing.
We've got to laugh about it,right?
Otherwise, you know, it'd bereally grim.
Right.
Um I get it.

(09:45):
Yeah.
But so Pluto, Pluto basically,you know, the in a nutshell, um
Pluto says we've all got thisunconscious stuff that we you
know inherit when we're born.
And most people carry it aroundand try to keep it in the
unconscious.

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And um, so then that eats awayat our energy and it attracts um
like vibrational people,situations, things to us that
keep reinforcing theseunconscious trauma patterns.
You know, so I look at Plutothat my you know, I've been

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doing this for a while, and myunderstanding of Pluto has sort
of crystallized around um toxicshame.
And I think there's also astrong fear component to it as
well, but I feel like the toxicshame part is maybe the most
accessible, but definitely themost powerful for most people.

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And not and not just Plutoaliens, just everybody's got
Pluto in their chart somewhere.
But a lot of the Pluto stuff,you know, it's when we start
looking back and going within,we can see that it goes all the
way back to earliest childhood,whatever we can remember, and
probably stories that we heardabout ourselves from being

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babies and pre-verbal age.
But 90% of it at least is notours.
You know, and so um I'm sureyou're probably familiar are you
familiar with the idea of toxicshame?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah.

Okay.
Yeah.
So authentic healthy shame,right, is I talked about you
behind your back.
And then I realized, you know,maybe I got called out, or maybe
I just realized, like, oh, Ireally love Michelle, and why
did I do that?
I don't even know I did that,but that was a really horrible
thing to do.
So I'm gonna go to that personthat I said that mean thing to
and apologize.

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And if I have to, I'll go toyou and apologize, right?
So that's shame comes up andsays, Whoa, you crossed this
person's boundary, right,without permission.
That was a bad thing to do.
And so that feels horrible,right, when we when we have a
moment of authentic shame.
But toxic shame is all of thestuff that, you know, and and
like shorthand, I look at it asour parents and other authority

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figures, even siblings, youknow, um, relatives, teachers
when we're young, whatever theycan't handle, the sh the toxic
and so the toxic shame just, youknow, until now keeps getting
passed down generation togeneration, right?
So it's like whatever theycan't handle about them, you
know, what they believe is isbad or wrong about themselves,

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what they're ashamed of inthemselves, they dump it into
the children and then project itunder the children and then
make us accountable for it.
You know, so it's like all thepeople that get told, like, oh,
you're fat, you're ugly, you'restupid, you know, whatever,
you're lazy, you're you're nevergonna get married, you're blah,
blah, blah, you're never gonnahave a job because you're too

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whatever.
All of that is like theparents' unconscious stuff, you
know, that is being projectedonto the children.
But then as little kids, right,our parents are gods and we we
need them to survive, and Ithink we love them because
children are by nature innocentand loving.
So that creates this like justunconscionable, untenable state

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of stress within the child,right?
And so the child ends upbelieving the you know these
messages and takingresponsibility for, oh, I must
be stupid or you know, my mom ordad wouldn't keep telling me
that, right?
And then what we learn is to beashamed of these things that
are basically implanted in usand never were ours, and we

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encapsulate them with storiesand you know try to forget them
and impress them into theunconscious.
And so all of that, you know,whatever that material is eats
away at our life energy, it eatsaway at our peace and
happiness, it eats away at ouroptimism and self-belief and
self-esteem, you know, becausewe have actually internalized

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these um emotions and ideas thatsay that I'm defective, there's
something wrong with me.
So basically you're explainingright now.
Yay!

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Bam!

So what you're explaining right now, but I
forgot linked for it, basicallyhelping I've come up with the
word social unconditioning.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I love it.

Unconditioned from all that conditioning that
means that we're not importantand all the things, especially
during the developmental year.
And then starting to keep theshadows.
So all the things that youdidn't accept about yourself.

I got a good response over here.
That's exactly what you shouldbe doing.
Yeah.
Yeah.

It's funny because all of us came about
after I had just a week a fewyears ago.
Basically, my mom passed awayyears ago now, and basically
that's what kind of started thewhole process.
Um my doctor.

Okay.
Feel free to ask specificquestions and I'll tell you, you
know, what I what I see or whatI get.
Um, as we as we go along.
Like Yeah.
Um the two basic things thatseem to be the most important
for the alien pattern people,any of the patterns, are

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developing as much awareness aspossible about what the pattern
is, how it operates, um, what itfeels like when, you know,
feels like, looks like, smellslike, tastes like, um, sounds
like when it's operating.
And a lot of that is probablyit's it's easiest to do in

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retrospect.
You know, and once you get aonce you get a feel for it,
you're gonna start seeing likeand and remembering like, oh,
this is the moment where thatrelationship with that person
went off the rails.
It was when I said this.
Or it was when, you know, theysaid this.
And you you know, the crazything about this is you don't
have to say anything.

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People can feel, uh, you know,especially with the double
sun-moon pattern, people canfeel it in you, you know.
So um so yeah, there's more onthat, but uh I want to just kind
of I'm gonna try to stayfocused here.
Um so recognizing what thepattern is, like working with
the archetype of Pluto, youknow, which you can do in your

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meditation, you can do um I meanI'm not a big ritual person
anymore because I think it'sreally powerful and um I think
it's really dangerous and youknow it it can it works, but it
can have unintendedconsequences.
But um you know there aresimple rituals that aren't like
summoning you know spirits or oruh powers that we don't really

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know that much about.
One of those was I used to weara skull, a plastic skull um
hanging on my belt.
And it usually was covered bymy shirt, you know, but uh so
other people didn't realize it.
But it was just to remind meof, you know, the kind of
Plutonian Saturn too, um, butthe memento moray, you know,

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it's like where my death isalways at hand, right?
And so I'm gonna take advantageof the moment.
So I mean all kinds of thingslike that can be really powerful
as far as like tuning you intothe frequency of Pluto and
helping you just become um Idon't know if at peace is the
right word, but um you knowbecome familiar with it.

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And so so you're you'reactually developing like a
working relationship where it'slike, okay, I you know, I agreed
to carry this energy, this tranthis really transpersonal um
transformational dynamo withinme.
And so I'm gonna learn as muchabout this thing and how it
works as possible and andcooperate with it as much as

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possible, you know, as long asit's in in my own best interest.
So that and so that I'm notunconsciously blocking it or you
know turning it away, or like,you know, just tractor beam
focusing it on someone untilthey spontaneously combust, you
know, which is a possibility, Iguess, with the Pluto as well.

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So that's the first one.
It's just like the more you canlearn about it, you know, the
better.
Um I'll tell you everything Ican in an hour.
And also, you know, you're I Ijust know from the way you've
described the work that you dothat you have the facility, you
know, left brain and rightbrain, right, to be able to tune

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in and start, you know, I wouldjust start making a a float uh
you know, list or graphic flowchart like um database, you
know, whether it's mental orwritten or on the computer,
where you're just starting tocompile, like, okay, this is a
this is like a warning sign.
You know, or this is uh a thingthat tunes me into, okay, this
is one of this is the vesselpattern operating, this is the

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power pattern operating.
Um the second thing, so firstthing is learn as much as you
can about it.
Second thing is bring it intowhat you're doing in the world.
So you're already doing that,so that's great.
Um and that that's a huge onebecause a lot of times people
with the alien patterns arereally gifted at using, you
know, at transmitting thatpattern to people that they they

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have because of theirconditioning and programming,
you know, they find it like likeat least the first time that
they have a session with me.
They're like, well, I can'tactually go become a shaman or
like a you know do shadow workwith people, right?
I've got this corporate job andI've got a family and whatever.
So you're like already ahead ofthe curve on that one, which is
great.

Um you would have talked to me 10 years ago,
that wouldn't have been easy.

Yeah, right, right.
But you know, some people gothrough that kind of awakening
opportunity and just resist it,you know, and then they have to
suffer for like 20 more years orwhatever.
So um Yeah, so so good on youfor that one.
Um The way that all of thepatterns tend to work is that

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whenever we come into theinstrument patterns are a little
different, but luckily youdon't have to deal with that
one.
Oh that would be like the youknow, the ultimate survival test
is like can I put my Pluto sunor vessel and um power pattern
in the first house so I can havean instrument, double
instrument pattern too.
Um But the the sun and moonpatterns both have a a very

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similar way that they work inthe world, which is when we come
into contact with somebodyone-on-one, um this the the
energy of those patterns willstart connecting with the other
person.
And I feel like this happenspretty much in any interaction,
like even if you're at thegrocery store or the gas station

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or something and you say hi tothe clerk or you know, whatever.
There's a you know, thatpattern is going to try to
connect because that's what itdoes.
But obviously it's much more umpowerful and intense with
somebody that you live with,with your husband or wife or you
know, child or your parent,your you know, coworker.

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Um usually the way that wethose of us who have these
patterns become aware of it isthrough the other person's
through responses from otherpeople.
So I find that to be generallythe easiest way of tracking it
and starting to really developthat feel for it.
So typically, what are thePluto reaction patterns gonna

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be?
And you know, I should also saythat actually let me just read
this to you real quick, becausethis is from the inner guide
meditation, um, which is the thename of the book is also in the
handout that I'm gonna sendyou.
But he this is EdSteinbreckers, the guy who
discovered this stuff.

Okay.

So um I'll start with the moon pattern be but
they're very, very the the listof keywords and stuff is almost
identical with the um with theuh power vessel power alien
pattern.
So he says the plutoniumplutonium vessels draw
transformation energy fromthemselves and others.
They inspire knowledge relatingto irreversible change, sex

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energy, and the physics of sex,transformation processes, astral
projection, healing,levitation, metamorphosis,
birth, death, and rebirth.
They have the ability to freethe ascending aspect of the
kundalini or any other blockedenergy in others.
Hence their healing powers aregreat.
They have great charisma, theyare natural sleuths and finders

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of hidden or lost things.
Resistance to consciousness oftheir abilities takes the forms
of compulsions, obsessions,rage, jealousy, vengefulness,
sex without love, nihilism,criminal thought, outrageous
behavior, debauchery,sex-related disease, sadism,
sarcasm, and stubborn blindness.

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But in addition, they canunconsciously project these
forms into those around them andnot see them in themselves.
The difference with the poweralien is just the the like
energetic mode that it takes.
So the plutonian powers are themasters of metamorphosis and

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irreversible change.
They move people, things, andsituations from one level of
vibration to the next one aboveit, often using the acceleration
of time or sexuality toaccomplish this.
They destroy the old andoutmoded through silent,
relentless, often invisibleprocesses.
And then the rest of it is kindof the same positive and

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negative um effect.
So basically, whenever you comeinto contact with somebody,
this transformation, you know,for you, this double channel
comes in into operation.
And what it's always trying todo is m move people from a lower

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level of vibration or evolutionto a higher level.
But the way it does that,right, is by bringing um and I
think that the ascending channelof the kundalini is a really
powerful way of sort ofvisualizing or understanding it.
And that's definitely true inmy experience um working with

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Pluto aliens, is that you havethis ability to basically start
the the Kundalini processrising.
You know, which always needs tobe accompanied by the
descending channel, which is theUranian, um, so that's Uranus.
Is the descending channel ofthe Kundalini?
And you've got a pretty strong,you know, it's not an alien

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pattern, but you've got a prettystrong Uranus signature in your
chart, too.
Um, with Uranus, Mars, Venus,all conjunk.
Um But like whenever you comeinto contact with somebody,
these processes are gonna startup.
So you're gonna startmagnetically pulling up from
people's unconscious into theirawareness.
All of the things that areblocking them from the positive

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side of Pluto, which is power,unlimited resources.
Um I really feel like when whenPluto is healed in the chart,
it's like we know our mission,we know why we're here, we know
who we are, we've healed enoughof the generational family

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ancestral childhood trauma, youknow, integrated enough of the
shadow stuff that we're actuallyreally comfortable with our
power, and we're reallycomfortable with being who we
are and knowing who we are andknowing why we're here.
And so there that creates thisenergetic signature of this

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person, you know, like a NativeAmerican medicine man or
medicine woman.
Um I don't know if you've everworked with any of the um Native
tribes or people uh up there,but that might be an interesting
You know, one of the thingsyou've got to be oh there's so
much here, man.
I'm trying to like chunk itdown.

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One of the things you've got tobe aware of with both of those
Pluto patterns is that you'regoing to try you know, you've
got to be really careful abouthaving a mentor or a teacher,
especially in a physical space.
Because if they're not who theysay they are, they're gonna say

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they're gonna tend to signsingle you out as the problem.
Because you know, they don'tknow why, right, typically.
But they just know that you'reseeing through them.
And it feels and and so to thetoxic shame stuff, right?
The toxic shame patterns,because they're parasitic in
nature, um and because they'refeeding off of our energy by

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being in the unconscious, and Iyou can expand that to kind of
any negative shadow aspects,right?
They they absolutely depend onstaying hidden to to maintain
their power over us.
Right, because as soon as youcall as soon as you can speak
anything that is shameful outinto the light and have that,

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you know, that's why recoverygroups work so well.
Um and speaking as somebody whoreally, really benefited from
being in recovery.
It really works because I I'min a situ I'm in a space where I
can say, I didn't want todrink, you know, and but I saw
that bottle of wine and I just,you know, I couldn't control

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myself.
And so the toxic shame part ofthat is you don't have any um
willpower, right?
You're you're uh you're like animpulsive whatever, blah, blah,
blah.
And you can't control yourself.
And so being able to say thatin in a space where it's just
being held as like, hey, that'scool, you know, we all know what
you're talking about, and we'veall been there in our own way.

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And you know, you're still agood person.
We you're still worthy of love.
Um but you gotta be carefulwith being with authority
figures, because if they're umif they're not who they say they
are, if they're putting up afalse front, you're gonna
trigger the shit out of them.
But all that being said, um itmight be interesting to, you

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know, if you've ever worked withor had the opportunity to to
observe kind of closely a realmedicine woman or real medicine
man, because the They have thateasy I mean, I don't know if
it's easy, but they're at easewith their power.
Right?
Because they know it's not theyknow that it's not theirs.
They know that they're achannel for some healing energy

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to come through.
And I feel like ultimatelythat's you know, that's kind of
the answer to everything for youand for your life purpose and
for, you know, having what youwant in life and being able to
help the people that are able tobe helped, is that you know,
you gotta own it, you gottafigure out what it takes to be

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able to own that, hey, I'm gonnacome into your life where
you're gonna do a session withme, and it's gonna send you on
an elevator to hell, basically.
Yeah, I mean you've got thelike Libra Aquarius, you know,
kind of like air air signfacility with people, right?
Which can make you know, Ithink is is actually helpful.

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Um so Libra is like the naturaldiplomat, right?
And when Libra's when it's in agood place, it's like really
good at making people feelvalued and feel like you know um
you have value, you belonghere, right?
You're good, you're beautiful,you're you know, whatever.
And Aquarius is just like, heyman, we all belong, no matter

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how fucked up you are.
Who cares?
You know, it's like life iscrazy.
Um, everybody's uh secretly awacko too.
Um so I feel like that'sprotective in a lot of ways, and
also you know, maybe you'realready I mean I feel like
you're pretty much already here,but there I also feels like

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there's another level of it thatis like I'm just uh I'm like w
I'm walking around in circleshere trying to tune this in.
Um that's a presentation thing.
And it's almost like a script.
Um where and then converselythat helps you step into

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ownership of it more becauselet's face it, there aren't
really a lot of role models foryou.
Right?
I mean there aren't a lot ofpeople who are even willing to
consider, you know, uh untilnow, um you know, to going on
that journey, right?
And and there aren't a lot ofpeople who are skilled

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facilitators at it and who havethe integrity that you have.
So you know that's a little bitchallenging in the sense that
you can't just hop on theinternet, you know, or go to
like some local thing down atthe YMCA or the yoga studio and
be like, oh, that person isembodying this thing that I'm
doing.
And that that's a really greatway I can kind of you know steal

(32:44):
that move from them, or like,you know, that's some good
pattern that they have, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Um but what you really like thethe key, a huge super key thing
is owning it and being like,okay, this is who I am.
There's no going back until,you know, until I'm

(33:04):
transitioning to the next life,right?
And so um however uh unclear itmay feel at times because I
don't know who to, you know, whoI can sort of follow, who's
who's blazed this trail before,I have to step into this as
fully as possible and own it,you know, and and basically like

(33:28):
whenever I'm encounteringsomebody, whether it's a client
or the clerk at the grocerystore, um, you know, I'm sending
this message of like, hey, youknow, I'm this really loving,
nice, um, amiable, goodcommunicator, Libra, right?
But underneath, there issomething really powerful and

(33:51):
dangerous for your ego.
You know, and so I feel likethere's something about even
just um speaking that out loudin your mind to people,
especially if you start sensingsome of those negative um
qualities coming in.
You know, so like any any kindof compulsive behavior, any kind

(34:12):
of like greedy, graspy, umrapey kind of vibes, you know,
that's gonna tell you, okay, thethis person's feeling the Pluto
stuff.
Shut down too.
Shut down ghosting, you know,like getting going really cold
and blank or very Pluto.
You know, and it's like, okay,this person's like, they're

(34:32):
feeling the the you know Plutovibes.
So um one of the things thatyou can do, and this is like uh
is a really powerful because youhave so much Scorpio in your
chart, too, is just talk usingyour mental voice to talk out
loud to people.
And you can do it um, you know,it doesn't have to happen in
real time.
You can do it retroactively.
So like if you come out of uh asession with a client and you

(34:56):
like they're flailing, you know,they don't think they can take
it, right?
They're gonna bail.
Um or they, you know, they likekeep making excuses to not show
up for the next appointment orwhatever.
This is a really um powerfulway, and it's like been tested
by a lot of clients who havealien patterns.
Is just you know, visualizingthat person in your mind and
talking to them out loud andcalling out whatever the toxic

(35:19):
shame shadow component is.
So like, hey Marge, um, youknow you and you can say it out
loud too if you're in a you knowprivate space where you can
talk out loud and not be worriedabout people flipping out or
whatever, but just like heyMarge, um that's the second time
you've canceled in thisappointment.
And then as soon as you starttuning into like what you

(35:41):
actually know, you're gonna getall this information.
Like as soon as you start thatconversation, and there's
something about using your voiceor your mental voice that
actually will put it in thatperson's field in a way that
they can engage with it.
You know, some people willchoose not to engage with it and
just never hear from themagain.
You know.

(36:02):
That is what it is.
But other people are gonna belike, wow, I couldn't engage
with this when I was in yourenergy because I was so you
know, it's like you gottarecognize the level to which
people are getting triggered byencountering this double Pluto
pattern, right?
Which I'm sure you do.
I'm sure you've seen that.

(36:22):
But but I was gonna say, I'msure that you have seen that
happen, so you know what thatlooks like and feels like,
right?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah.

Yeah.
I mean it it's like the toxicshame is such I think it's the
worst, most horrible emotionalfeeling that we have in life.
Um it's so hideous, and it it'sreally hideous because it's not
ours, but we've been taught totake responsibility for it.
But we don't even know, youknow, most people don't even
know what it is, right?

(36:53):
They can kind of like they geta little bit of a feel for it.
But um Yeah.
So when you talk out loud tosomebody with your mental voice,
you know, it like spiritspiritually, right?
Then you're putting this energyin their field, and their soul
is gonna know that that energyis there.

(37:15):
And so you can be like, Marge,you know, I d I've just seen
like you haven't showed up thelast couple times.
And then as soon as you saythat opening part, you're gonna
know exactly what's there.
You're gonna be like, oh wow,yeah, you're like totally f uh
freaking out because you don'tthink you can do this, and it
feels like it's gonna justdestroy you, and you know,
you're because of your traumawith your mom, you know, your

(37:37):
self-esteem is so fragile, andyou feel like if you actually
show up in session, you're gonnatell me what you're really
feeling, and then I'm gonnathink you're crazy, and you're
probably gonna beinstitutionalized, you know,
whatever, all this stuff willstart showing up, right?
But it's okay.
You know, and it's okay to Sothe same thing you would do with

(37:59):
somebody like working withtheir inner child or a shadow
self.
It's okay to feel that, right?
You don't have to be ashamed ofthat.
And I can help you work throughthis.
And also, you know, in orderfor me to help you, you have to
show up.
Right?
And that and you're gonna feelso much better.
You know, so you can just tellthem all this stuff, but the act

(38:20):
of actually calling out the thePluto shadow, like hidden
stuff, is really, reallypowerful.
And I would say like one of thebest um kind of self-defense
and helping other people tacticswith the Pluto alien patterns.
I'm gonna take a breath.

(38:41):
That was a lot.

That was really helpful.

Good, good.

Yeah.
Um one of the so what a coupleof things.

(39:16):
First of all, I come to realizethat my mother wasn't a
surprise.

Right.

Um and one of the things that she had said to
me was that when I was a baby,apparently I I can't remember
the exact wording she used, butit was like I gave off so much
light and power that ittriggered her, and she didn't

(39:50):
know what to do with thatenergy.
She felt so uncomfortablearound me.
I was a little baby.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah.

And I feel like maybe that could have been
plutonium stuff going on, butprobably especially for her,
because there there was a levelof inauthenticity with her,
right?
Because of her own toxic humanmovement.

Yeah.

And because of because of that and my my own
conditioning, I hid all of thatfor myself for the first
twenty-five years of my life.

Yeah.

And you know, because of my first level of
awakening about twenty yearsago.
Um what's actually going on?
My own experience with mymother.

Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah.
So owning this and actuallyspeaking to it publicly.
I think this is important.

It's super important, yeah.
Yeah, and I mean it it's like II don't you know, all of the uh
all of the alien patterns Ifeel like are incredibly
difficult to bear.
You know, and they get easierover time.
And you're totally on the rightpath with it because you're

(41:39):
doing your own inner work andyou're helping people, other
people with their inner work.
So, you know, those are likeprobably the two single most
important things you could bedoing to um to ameliorate your
experience of carrying these twopatterns.
But they they're really hard.

(42:00):
I mean, they they're they'relike a blessing that you know,
they're a gift that you agreedas a soul to bring into the
world.
But I can say like 90 I mean, Iwould say 100% of the clients
that I've had are are peoplethat I've known that had alien
patterns and were had doneenough inner work to have some
self-awareness, would all agreelike this is it feels like a

(42:23):
curse.
It's felt like a curse prettymuch my whole life.

Um Yeah, it's only been it's only been the
past couple of years that I cansay that I see this this is a
gift and not a curse, becausefor most of my life I have felt
like it's been a curse, so Itotally get that.

Yeah, yeah.
I mean, man, and that's like umthat's a really great leverage
kind of point for working withyour younger selves, you know,
and and um I mean I don't knowif you've done I'm assuming that
you've done some shadow work,inner child work, you know,
healing work with the babycells.

(43:00):
That's uh uh that that one tome was like it and continues to
be one of the hardest ones whensomething comes up because you
you can't really remember it.
You know, you know what you'retold and you you get a feel for
it.
But um but just reinforcing youknow that sense of hate, you
know, I've battled through thefirst 41 years of my life,

(43:20):
right?
Up until the Iranis oppositiongo figure.
Um the first 42 years of mylife, right?
Not knowing really who I was,not being allowed to know who I
was, um, not knowing what thisthing was that would always kind
of create these same effectsand relationships and you know,

(43:41):
in my work and within myself.
And I I hung in there and Ikept fighting and I kept moving
forward and I kept trying, and Igot to a point where I
actually, you know, I trustmyself.
And I'm willing to grow, youknow, and do whatever it takes
to become fully the person thatmy soul wanted to become in this

(44:03):
lifetime.
So I feel like that positivereinforcement for the self is
really powerful.
Because it's an that's an epicjourney, man.
You know, and honestly, youlook around, that's why most
people aren't at this point, Ithink they're getting more and
more willing, maybe, you know,as things seem to get grimmer in
the collective reality.

(44:24):
But um but most people up untilnow haven't been willing, you
know, or even had the an iota ofself-belief that they were
capable of being on the journeythat you've been on.
So the part of owning thepower, owning this is you know,
just reinforcing to yourselflike what you really needed as a

(44:45):
child, right?
Is hey, you're really powerful.
Wow, you're so powerful, it'slike overwhelming me sometimes.
And but that's a good thingbecause I want to get better, I
want to heal, I want to grow,right?
I want to heal my trauma.
I mean it's like hard toimagine your mom or my mom
saying that, but um when we werekids, right?
But that's what we on somelevel, that's what we needed is

(45:08):
that validation.
And so you the more that youcan give that validation to your
younger selves, the more thatwill just in a more easeful,
graceful way help you step intothe power of who you are and
what you're doing.

I mean Yeah.
If you were to explain in anutshell, like if I'm gonna like
go public with this, like, I'vegot this like double call it.
This this double channel powertotally construct power.

(45:46):
Like how I could like summarizewhat that actually is in a way
that like people would be like,oh, that's okay.

Um yeah.
I and I think the the firstpart of the Yeah, that was
funny.

You know, I don't want to be saying I'm a
double alien.

Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, I mean I'd leave thatpart out probably you know,
because it's just confusing topeople, right?
Um but okay, I think the thefirst thing is um I have an
alien pattern client from likewhen I first started out who um

(46:34):
became a friend and and and acolleague, and um she was a
marketing coach for a long time,and she like you know decided
she wanted to help likespiritual entrepreneurs and
stuff.
And so she was like, you know,hey, you want to just like I'll
I'll just give you this forfree.
I'll I'll I'll coach you for awhile.
And um, yeah, and I feel like Ialways feel like I let her down

(46:56):
because I just couldn't likeshe was telling me all this kid
stuff and I was just like youknow wandering around in my
Pisces wasteland.
Um, I didn't do that, but I Iwant to do it, but I just yeah.
But she she tuned me intosomething.
She was I because I was like,you know what?
I can't do this.
I I feel like I can't do any ofthis anymore because I can't,

(47:20):
you know, I was trying, this waslike probably fifth, ten, ten,
twelve years ago.
I was trying to like adapt tothe whole social media thing and
and like getting on Facebookand stuff, and like, you know,
I'm like, I can't promise peoplewhat all these like you know
million-dollar spiritual coachesor whatever are promising
people because it's not true.

(47:41):
I mean, it is true.
I can help you live the life ofyour dreams and you know, um,
just have the greatest life ofall time.
But in before I do that, you'regonna have to go to hell.
And most people don't want tohear that.
And she's a Scorpio, she'slike, well, Scorpios love that
shit.
Maybe your target audienceshould be Scorpios.
And I was like, dude, there'sit's probably like one-twelfth

(48:04):
of the population, right?
There's enough Scorpios in theworld.
So, I mean, I would give yousimilar advice in the sense of I
think it's important to put itout there in a way that is not
hiding the power of what you do.
You don't have to tell peopleI'm super powerful and I'm gonna

(48:25):
change your life, right?
But you what I do feel like isimportant is putting it out
there in, you know, i so thatit's visible that what I do is
not what other people do.
I can help you fix your health,I can help you fix your
relationship, I can help youhave the life that you want.
But it's gonna require youcommitting to the most intense

(48:51):
journey of your lifetime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so what that's doing, soone of the great things that you
know about the fact that you'realready doing this work and
that you're not still stuck insome kind of crazy left brain,
you know, nothing againstnaturopaths, but um you know
what I'm saying, like stuck inthis kind of like um matrix

(49:13):
level thing.
Is that you're actually alreadyoffering this to people who you
know want what you they wantthat healing, right?
They don't want, you know, sopresumably your clients are
coming to you because they'vetried a bunch of more surface
level stuff and it's notworking, right?

(49:34):
Yeah.
So that's actually the a greatplace for the alien patterns
because you know, you kind oflike one of the metaphors I use
for the any of the alienpatterns is it's like having a,
you know, a two-year-oldLabrador and you're living in a
tiny apartment, you know, andit's like you go out to work
every day and you're justleaving this dog that needs to

(49:56):
run like ten miles every day.
You know, you're leaving itcooped up inside.
It's gonna destroy your house,right?
It's gonna like it's gonna belike that movie, like uh Marley
and me.
Um But if you give it what itneeds, if you let it, if you
take it out and let it runbehind your truck out in the
country for, you know, fivemiles out and five miles back

(50:17):
every day, then it's gonna bethe best dog in the whole world
because it's doing what it needsto do, you know, which is get a
ton of exercise, right, andchase something.
And so the alien patterns arekind of similar in that sense,
in that they need a channel torun in.
And the more you can have umsacred boundaries around you

(50:38):
know, as many relationships aspossible.
And clients are you know,clients are are great for that
because you know you're saying,hey, here's what you're gonna
get, here's what I can do,here's what you can expect.
Also you gotta pay me becausethere has to be, you know, there
has to be some kind of energyexchange for it.
And these are the timeboundaries.
You know, this is I I love thedoing the longer-term packages

(51:03):
with people because I feel likethat is really important for for
who you are and what you do.
Um but the more of that thatyou can do, the better the
patterns are gonna work for you.
Because uh really with thesepatterns, it's like as long as
you have a heartbeat.
They're gonna still be reachingout to anybody that comes in
contact with you.

(51:24):
You know, even if you're like atotal derelict or whatever, um
they're gonna come through youand reach try to reach out to
people.
So you're gonna be giving yourgift, you know, regardless of
what you're doing in life, atleast to some extent.
But what you want to do is isshare that gift in a way that is

(51:47):
not exacting this terribleprice from you.
And I don't think that that islike I don't think that's one of
the preconditions of when wewere souls when we said, hey,
I'm gonna take on the extracredit assignment.
I don't think that you knowthat came with a thing of, oh,
cool, you're gonna suffer freethe whole time you're down there

(52:07):
on earth, right?
I think the suffering isbecause we aren't weren't
allowed to know who we are.
And you know, we're still as weI mean, I'm 54, you know, I'm
still like taking layers of thatstuff out, right?
Because it's like the socialconditioning is just so powerful
and goes so deep, and then theancestral epigenetic stuff as

(52:30):
well.
Um but the Yeah.
I'm gonna stop there.
Does that make sense?

It does.

Okay.
So so I think you know Yeah,sorry.

When you mention aliens need a channel to
run in, what does that mean?

So it means that that Pluto vessel pattern and
the Pluto power pattern, theyhave a certain thing that
they're here to do.
Which is basically transformyou know, transform people, wake
people up, help people becomeaware of their toxic shame and

(53:11):
their unconscious fear and thatall the stuff that they're
carrying around from childhoodand ancestry and past lives,
etc.
Bring it out into the light,um, you know, clear the energy,
integrate the shadow, right?
So that's that's what they needto do.
So the more that you're doingthat in you know in ways that

(53:34):
and and that can just be in the,you know, at this point, the
more you're offering it clearly.
And and the really the claritytoo is I mean, I'm trying to get
to your your question a fewminutes ago.
In the sense of you don't haveto tell people, yeah, you don't
have to like bludgeon them withyou're gonna suffer, right?

(53:57):
Um but but it has to be a clearenergetic in whatever you're
saying, you know, is that thisis not for the faint of heart,
right?
Where you're putting your theenergy of whatever you're
offering people is clear thatyou know this is a deep
transformational process.

Yeah.

And it's gonna require you to fake so the
channel, the channel part is,you know, if you were um trying
to go to work at a hospitalevery day and just go through a
a list of symptoms and be like,oh yeah, well that's you know,
what we learned in school wasthat you, you know, prescribe
this supplement for that and andbe in a really left-brained

(54:40):
thing where you're not wherewhere you know that there's
underlying disease that needs tobe treated, or everything else
is just gonna be a band-aid,right?
That would be a negative placebecause that's not giving the
those patterns the channel thatthey need to run in.
Right?
It's it's locking.

That's where I was ten years ago with my work.
Yeah.

Yeah.
Yeah, so then they're gonnamess you up.
The patterns are gonna mess youup if they can't get out,
right?
And that could be like throughYeah.
Okay.

That makes total sense.
I mean, I remember, you know,especially at the beginning, I
was working in a small town as anaturopathic doctor.
And I knew where I was.
I I could see the patterns likethat and emotions, and people
were like, no, just tell me whatto eat and give me a
supplement.
I don't want to talk about thatshit.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Right.

I remember keeping me alive inside, and it
makes sense now.
I thought it was somethingwrong with me, but okay, yeah, I
see it.

That's exactly it.
You got it.
You got it.
Yep.
Yeah.
So uh traditional astrology uhit would be it's called
collection and translation oflight.
So um Mercury is collecting thelight of the sun and then
translating or transmitting it,bringing it to the moon and

(56:06):
Pluto.
Yeah, and and feel free to justyou know tell me if there's
something specific that you wantto tune into.
It it does put Mercury in areally uh I could say
privileged, but a verychallenging position.
You know, because he's likeenclosed between the luminaries
and then Pluto's right there aswell.

(56:29):
But uh it also yeah, it also umI'm just gonna translate this
to where I see you being at thispoint in your life.
Um, earlier in life, uh this isgonna be really challenging
because um Mercury is combust,and this is a traditional

(56:49):
astrology term too.
It's when planets within sevendegrees of the sun, it's it's
considered combust.
And so it's like its energy islike burned up by the sun.
Um there's a certain validityto that, I think.
Uh one of the one of thebiggest ways I see that playing

(57:10):
out in people's charts is thatthere's a tendency to be really
uh my ideas, my thoughts are me.
There's a tendency to like beconfused about the difference
between self and thought.
So people can be very attachedto their thought about you know
how something should go or howyou should do something or

(57:32):
what's true, what's not true.
Um at this point, the way Iwould see that working is that
you may have to do um moremental work or like you know,
switch like modalities.
So if something's not working,you know, left brain trying to

(57:53):
kind of reason it out and anduse words and concepts and
things like that, you might haveto go right brain and meditate,
you know, draw, um, play music,listen to music, you know, just
get into that right brain thingto be able to pull out the
ideas because a lot of timesprobably the most helpful ideas
um are gonna actually just popin, you know, when you're when

(58:18):
your mind is relaxed, basically.
Or or when you've exhausted theleft brain modality.
But and and I would I wouldalso see like writing could be
um a challenge, especially inthe first half of life with
that, because there's just somuch energy there.
But it's actually you are areally powerful writer, speaker,

(58:44):
um, conveyor of ideas.
It's just that the idea Yeah,the ideas that um This isn't
trying to translate it into evenmore practical terms.
If you were trying like ifyou're trying to write about
naturopathic medicine, I thinkit would be really challenging
for you to write about somethingsurfacey.

(59:05):
You know, like we always usethis up, like this supplement is
great for you know d helpingpeople with chronic fatigue or
whatever.
But if you're writing about theroots of chronic fatigue,
there's gonna be this once youget into it and get past the
initial resistance, there'sprobably gonna be just this
really deep, clear stream ofthought that comes through.

(59:28):
I don't know, and tell me ifthat's resonant with your
experience or or not, if youwant to.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Absolutely.

Yeah.

And it's funny because on social media this has
been something that I've onlyrecently decided, like, you know
what, screw what people aresaying.
Because I would I used to talkabout these things and people
would get angry with me onsocial media because the hell
are you talking about?
Stop stop trying to confusethem.

(59:59):
I wasn't enjoying myself.
I wasn't bringing clients thatI wanted to.

DK Brainard (01:00:11):
Yeah.

Michelle Dowker (01:00:16):
Some people don't like it.

Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yep.
And I mean, honestly, like yourchart is like just a real setup
for being misunderstood, youknow, maybe most of the time.
But I I think the beauty ofthe, you know, knowing about the

(01:00:43):
alien patterns is well, there'sa couple things with the Pluto
patterns, too.
One is you don't really want tointeract with everybody.
Because the more people's toxicshame that you activate, the
more people are going to want tolash out at you because you're
making me feel bad.

(01:01:03):
I don't understand what youwrote, but it's making me feel
hurdy and you're bad.
I mean, that's just really likekind of how the negative side
of the Pluto thing works, islike people want to come after
you because you're the onethat's making them feel ashamed,
right?
When you're not, they feelashamed because they're carrying

(01:01:23):
around this horrible payload oftoxic shame that they inherited
and they haven't dealt with it,right?
So you're actually offeringthem the opportunity to be free
and to feel great and to beauthentic and to really feel
alive and be alive.
But you know, most people arenot right now at a level to be
able to even consider that.

(01:01:44):
And so this is kind of thatchanneling thing again.
Is you know what I I'm justgonna tell you, like I'm I got
completely off of Facebook in2020 and completely off of
Instagram, and you know, I don'treally have a social media
presence because I just gottired of being attacked.
Um But if I were going to dothat again, you know, I would

(01:02:11):
just do it as totally like,okay, you know, this I'm gonna
just have to deal with a lot ofpeople not understanding, you
know, where I'm coming from orwhat I'm saying, and I can't
care about that.
I can't, you know, and if Ican't do it without caring about
it, then I gotta just findanother way of like getting my
work out there.
But I feel like for you, on aclient level, you're targeting a

(01:02:35):
really specific, pretty smallniche of people.
And so what you want to do is,and this is part of that owning
it thing, right?
Is like if you're uh a NativeAmerican medicine man who runs a
sweat lodge, you're not gonnabe posting on Facebook about

(01:02:56):
like, hey, we're having the youknow, who wants to go downtown
and see uh, you know, I don'tknow who the famous band is
right now, but you know, looklet's go party and see this
band, and it was awesome.
And you know, these pictures ofme partying.
Also, we got a sweat lodgeSaturday, you know.
Right?
That's not happening, man.
Because they're like they have,you know, it's like I'm I've
got this really serious mission,and only maybe 10 or 20 people

(01:03:20):
are going to show up to anygiven sweat lodge.
And so, you know, half of thosepeople will never come back,
right?
And but that one of thosepeople, Spirit has chosen me to
help, and that's what I'm herefor.
And so you kind of want to beposting with that sense of like
there's one person out there,you know, who is ready and

(01:03:43):
willing to go on this journeythat I'm offering them.
Yeah.
Um you got a bucket pattern toChiron in the second house in
Taurus.
So it's like all of the planetsare on one half of the chart
except for Chiron.

Right.

You know, so that's like that's a little bit of a
challenge as far as um money andincome and stuff goes.
But it's also this energy oflike the more so the Taurus and
the second house are both aboutvalues.
And um it it's interesting,like with the social media thing

(01:04:26):
and you know, probably thenaturopath part of your life
too.
It's like Chiron and Tauruspeople will tend to um there's
this cyclical recurring crisisabout values.
And so typically the way I seeit with Kiron and Taurus clients

(01:04:46):
is and that's like roughly 1977to 85 or 86, I want to say.
They they will typically find agroup, you know, or um an
occupation or a partner or youknow, a church or whatever, and

(01:05:07):
they're like, oh, I finallyfound these people that share my
values, you know, and it's likethis now life is gonna be great
because values are superimportant to you, right?
And then usually either becausethey're just faking it, trying
to get into your energy, youknow, hook into your energy, um,
or because you're wearingrose-colored glasses and not

(01:05:27):
seeing what's really there, andyou know, as child children of
narcissists, that's can be veryeasy for us to do, especially
early in life.
Or you just keep growingbecause you you have no choice,
right?
Uh you know, the life that youchose for this lifetime, it's
like you're gonna keep evolving.
You know, it's evolve or die.
Um Yeah.

(01:05:49):
And so then you're alwaysoutgrowing these people.
And their values may still bethe same as when you initially
met, but your values are gettingmore refined and and higher
vibrational.
Um with the bucket pattern,it's like the the astro
mythology of that is that all ofthe other planets in the chart

(01:06:11):
kind of want to come out throughthe um like Kyron's like the
spigot.
So you're collecting all thisenergy in the in the other half
of the chart, and then it allkind of wants to come out
through the um so the weird kindof uh the weird kind of
jujitsu, metaphysical jujitsuhere is the more that you focus

(01:06:34):
on I'm just doing what I'mcalled to in my heart, and I'm
putting it out there in a waythat you know I know most people
aren't gonna understand oraccept or be able to handle.
But I'm gonna be as clear andas ruthless as possible in

(01:06:55):
extending the invitation forpeople to go on this journey
with me and heal their lives.
Because in my heart of hearts,I know that's what I came here
to do, and I know that I'mqualified to do it.
You know, and whatever the egosays, whatever the mind, you
know, whatever vestiges of thesocial conditioning say, you

(01:07:19):
know, you have to deal with thatstuff, right?
But it's like you know whatthose are.
You know what those programsare.
And you know, it may somethingmay hit you and overwhelm you
for a little bit, but you'regonna work through it, you're
gonna get back on course.
So deep down, you know thatwhat you're doing is the most
powerful, beautiful, positivething you can do in the world.

(01:07:41):
And I feel like the um youyou're gonna just keep, you
know, it's probably gonna beslower than you want, but you're
gonna keep developing your bodyof work, you're gonna keep
developing your client, youknow, body of clients.
They're gonna start sharingwith other people.
And so the more ruthless andfocused you are as far as being

(01:08:02):
on just the I can I feel likeI've used like narrow and
focused a lot, which I don'tusually do in sessions, but I
think that there's somethingmaybe that you need to hear with
that.
Um that's part of the owningit.

Yeah.

But you know, that's gonna, that's gonna and
and the positive side of the ofPluto, again, is basically
unlimited wealth, you know, orunlimited resources.
And I feel like, you know, itmight be helpful to just look at
this as like, hey, I'm like twoyears into this journey of
actually, you know, reallyknowing who I am and really

(01:08:40):
getting it and really putting itto work, you know, and and
being open to growing into thispower and doing this work that
I've been called to.
So I feel like that could bereally helpful to kind of have
this dividing line of likeanything that, you know,
anything like trauma that I haveabout having enough money or or

(01:09:00):
people how people resonate tomy message that's before, you
know, a couple years ago or so.
Like, I'm kind of throwing thatout the window because it's not
really applicable to this nextchapter of my life.

I like that.

Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's I thinkit's honest too, you know.

Um, then somebody else is going for you.

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um I'm seeing another thingwith and and this goes along
with like owning owning who youare and like owning the choice
to to be born with this chartand carry these patterns, right?
Is that you wherever you are,you know, so you by being in

(01:10:21):
northern Quebec with all thesefires going, right?
You have the ability to focusyour energy.
And you know, and so I I thisis um I'm just I'm actually
verbalizing this as I'm seeingit.
So um, you know, take it forwhat it's worth and maybe
translate it into something thatmakes more sense.
But it's like when you tuneinto stuff that's going on in

(01:10:46):
the world that's you know in anyway connected to that negative
Pluto stuff, right?
And you you can actually focus,like run a channel to that
wildfire energy, for example.
And be like, hey, you know, youcan like you gotta stay in this
area.
I I mean I don't know if thisis exactly how it works, but you

(01:11:08):
are um anchoring thesefrequencies of irreversible
change and metamorphosis andthat really I would say have the
end goal of bringing aboutheaven on earth.
You know, by be by clearingit's like if if everybody's
trauma was cleared, it'd be awhole different story, right?

(01:11:30):
If people stopped passing down,you know, this this inherited
shame and fear to every nextgeneration, and you know, then
it would we could quickly justturn the world into a paradise.
And so I think recognizing,like honoring the what you do
with the nature spirits just bybeing alive and being who you

(01:11:53):
are, and what you do with youknow, the um because there is
this process of metamorphosisthat's gonna be going like
spreading out like ripples fromwherever you are.
You know, and so I I don't knowhow to really put this into
words other than that Idefinitely resonated with with
it myself, in the sense that alot of what I'm doing nobody's

(01:12:16):
ever gonna know.
Because I don't write about it,you know.
I used to try to write about itand share it with people on
people.
Like it was like, yeah, goodluck with that.
Um, some of it.
But it's like just the lovethat I'm putting into the world
and the way I interact with kidsin the neighborhood, the way I
interact with my dogs, the way Iinteract with the birds that

(01:12:39):
live in the trees here, youknow, the the love that I that I
have for the creeks and the youknow the flowers and stuff.
And it's like all of the workthat you've been doing on your
inherited patterns and on yourfamily system stuff, that is
actually like healing the rootsof the trees and the plants, you

(01:13:01):
know, deep underground.
And then things can grow upmore vibrantly, right?
So you deserve to be taken careof because of that work as
well.
And I feel like that's part ofthe ownership thing.

I love it.

Man, I'm so glad.
I honor you for for uh takingon this shirt, man.
That's you're a badass.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I love it.
Yeah.

And there you have it.
That was my first of severalsessions that I had with DK
Bernard.
This one was three years ago.
And if you picked up from therecording, this was a couple of
years after I had my secondspiritual awakening, which was
after my mom passed away, and Iended up in a health crisis that

(01:14:06):
completely turned around myentire direction with my career,
with my life, which, by theway, that time in my life I've
since discovered was during myPluto Square Pluto transit.
Anybody who's going throughPluto Square Pluto, if something
is not aligned in their life,Pluto is going to uproot it so

(01:14:30):
that you can transform it andredirect yourself onto the right
path.
And for me, with Pluto sostrong in my chart as you have
just heard, Pluto Square Plutoreally got in there and forced
me to take the path that I'msupposed to be on that I had
been ignoring.

(01:14:51):
I will talk in another podcastepisode about Pluto Square Pluto
because this is so important,not only for me, for all of us
when we go through this time inour lives.
When I continued to work withDK, we talked about some charts
of other people in my life,particularly my mother, because

(01:15:13):
she also had an alien pattern.
Her son was also beside Pluto,just like mine, and her moon was
square Pluto, which also makesit a very distinct pattern
called a Hades moon.
Any moon sign that is in a hardplacement with Pluto, like
mine, that was in exact samedegree as Pluto, hers, which was

(01:15:36):
square Pluto, or opposite, orsomebody with a Scorpio moon,
are all considered to have aHades moon.
I talk a little bit more aboutthis in the podcast episode that
I recorded earlier this year onthe energy of Pluto.
I'll link that in the shownotes if you want to go take a
listen, as well as the podcastepisode that I recorded earlier

(01:15:59):
this year on alien constructsfrom my personal point of view,
and everything that I hadintegrated over the years since
I had this session with DKBernard.
As you can see, in that pointof my life, I had already come
to realize just how deep my workreally was.

(01:16:19):
And he helped to put morelanguage towards it and confirm
what I had already beeninstinctively knowing, and also
to hammer home to me howimportant it is for me to lead
with that and own that.
And that is what I have doneover these past few years since
I've had that session.
And I can see howtransformative it is, how

(01:16:42):
important it is, and it is partof the work that I do with my
clients now, because I work withclients who have outer planet
placements like alienconstructs.
DK had confirmed to me in alater session that because of
these significant Plutoplacements on both my sun and my
moon, that sets me up with mydesign to actually be a guide

(01:17:06):
for other alien construct peopleto help them own their own
design and own the power thatcomes with those designs because
we are here to do somethingsignificant with them.
As DK had explained during thissession with me.
Over these years, since I hadthat session, I have been paying
attention to my clients' chartsand I've been paying attention

(01:17:29):
to who is most aligned andresonant to my specific type of
work because it is very specificand very deep.
And therefore it means thatit's not for everybody.
And I've learnt the importanceof discerning who specifically
it's for because that's whatcreates the best results in

(01:17:49):
terms of my own enjoyment, theirenjoyment, and the results that
they get.
And I'll be talking in a futurepodcast episode about the
concept of resonance as itrelates to discerning who it is
that you are specifically builtfor, so that the two of you do
resonate because it makes allthe difference in the world in

(01:18:12):
terms of your enjoyment, theirenjoyment, their transformative
results, as well as theirability to actually magnetize to
you, to be able to see you andfor you to become a beacon for
them to find you.
And it's a concept that goescounter to what mainstream talks

(01:18:33):
about when it comes tomarketing, messaging, running a
business, especially if you'rerunning a practice as a
clinician, as a coach, as aconsultant.
So expect that episode to bedropping in the near future.
And part of understanding thatis also understanding more and
more how you're designed, whatyour gifts really are, how to

(01:18:55):
use them in your work, and forwhat purpose.
And if you want to learn moreabout that in terms of your own
chart, I do have a free vantagealignment kit called Chart Your
Power.
In this kit, I talk about thefour most common patterns that I
have been seeing over and overand over in my client

(01:19:15):
population, in the ones that arethe most aligned to my design.
And what I've come to recognizeis that these four patterns
that I keep seeing repeating inmy clients' charts are not
considered common in the generalpopulation, which makes sense
because my ideal clients don'ttend to be the people that are

(01:19:40):
considered mainstream.
They're the ones who havealways thought differently, felt
differently, see thingsdifferently than others.
They tend to be the ones in the20% highly sensitive group.
They tend to be ones who mightscore as I and F J, which are 1%
of the population.
So it makes sense that theircharts and the configurations in

(01:20:02):
them are not what you commonlysee in the general population.
And what I have found over andover again is once they
understand these particularpatterns that are not common but
that tend to show up in theircharts, once they learn about
them, once they betterunderstand them to an even
deeper level, it makeseverything make sense.

(01:20:24):
Just like this session with DKBernard helped me put some more
puzzle pieces about my ownpurpose together, my own
abilities and my own powers.
Understanding these patterns inyour chart if you are built
this way helps you understandmore about your purpose, your
powers, your gifts, how you'remeant to use them for whom, and

(01:20:48):
what that means about you as aleader, an innovator, and
someone who is here to createripple effects of change that
impact all of us.
Because if you're built thisway, you know deep down that
this is what you're meant to bedoing, even if you don't know
exactly how quite yet.

(01:21:09):
And you also know that you'realways learning and growing and
evolving.
Just like DK mentioned, thatevolve or die is an inner
sensation within you that maybeyou never had words for.
However, it's always beenthere.
So if you want to learn moreabout these four common patterns
I see in my own client chartsover and over again, over and

(01:21:32):
above these alien patterns thatDK was telling me about, then
you want to grab the Chart YourPower Vantage Alignment kit.
There's no charge.
You can go to the show notesand find the link there to go
grab that.
And for a lot of people, theytell me that it's been so
helpful for them to betterunderstand themselves

(01:21:55):
personally, as a leader, as ahealer, and what they're here to
be doing.
And of course, that's just thefirst step of a deeper journey
that I guide my clients through.
And as you can tell from thissession with DK, my work is
deep, it's transformative.

(01:22:16):
When you are resonant with me,when your design aligns with
mine, magic really truly doeshappen.
Especially if you know thatgoing deep and understanding the
roots and transforming fromthat level is the thing that's
going to enable you to step intoyour fullest potential because

(01:22:41):
you know that you're meant tostep into that with your work,
with your purpose, in service tothe greater good.
And you've been looking forsomebody who does have that
ability to go deep and canfacilitate transformation beyond
what any tool alone can do.
This is where my magic lies.

(01:23:03):
And if that feels likesomething that you're looking
for, please reach out.
We'll have a chat to see if weare resonant and aligned because
I only want to work with peoplewho are, who feel it on their
side, and I feel it on my sidebecause that is truly when the
magic really does happen.
As I'm recording this inOctober of 2025, I'm in the

(01:23:27):
midst of reorganizing myone-on-one services.
You will see in the show noteswhat services are publicly
available, and know that thereare deeper services that may not
be publicly shown in the shownotes.
And this is where reaching outeither through application,
sending me a DM, or sending mean email, and I will share with

(01:23:50):
you what those deeperlonger-term services look like,
and know that I will only offerthem to you if I feel that it's
an aligned fit on my side, and Iwant you to ensure that you
feel like it's an aligned fit onyour side.
There's never any pressurebecause that does not create

(01:24:11):
trust.
So I hope that you enjoyedlistening to this session.
There was a lot of details thathe shared.
I'm sure you likely learned alot more about me.
And if you have any alienpatterns in your chart, I hope
that this was helpful for you tobetter understand yourself,
your purpose, your gifts, andhow to use them.

(01:24:34):
As always, thank you forlistening.
And I look forward to talkingto you again in the next
episode.

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