What if law moved at light speed—not to block discovery, but to channel it? We sit down with the big idea that runs through today’s most ambitious missions: when ownership is clear and sharing is structured, innovation scales across nations, agencies, and even planets.
We start in orbit with the ISS, where inventorship follows astronauts and equipment, and use rights are negotiated before launch, so science never stalls at zero gravity. Then we shift to ITER, the global fusion project that separates background IP from generated IP and grants royalty-free, global, perpetual research licenses to every member. That single design choice turns competition into cooperation without closing the door on commercialization. On the lunar front, the Artemis Accords introduce interoperability and deconfliction zones—protecting operations without territorial claims—and bring private players under shared norms that reward transparency.
Back on Earth, Copernicus proves that open satellite data strengthens climate action, agriculture, and emergency response, while the International Charter on Space and Major Disasters operationalizes generosity with rapid, accountable data releases. We dive into NASA’s open source ecosystem—thousands of mission-grade tools vetted through NOSA and rigorous approvals—showing code as shared infrastructure that startups, labs, and agencies build on every day. Communication ties it all together: CCSDS standards give spacecraft a common language, royalty-free and openly published, cutting costs and accelerating cross-agency work. The Planetary Data System and the International Planetary Data Alliance extend that spirit to archives, harmonizing formats and metadata so scientists can reuse and cite with confidence. And the Interplanetary Internet—Delay/Disruption Tolerant Networking—demonstrates how open standards thrive when anyone can implement, test, and improve them, from deep space to disaster zones on Earth.
Across these stories, a pattern emerges: plan ownership before liftoff, design openness with structure, standardize where it multiplies value, and pair publication with credit. That’s how IP becomes the engine of trust, not the price of participation. If this conversation moved your thinking, follow and subscribe, share it with a colleague, and leave a review with your favorite takeaway so more curious minds can find us.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Imagine treaties that orbit like satellites,
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holding invention instead ofgravity.
Above our heads, patents floatbetween nations, data travels
without borders, and agreementskeep it all in motion.
Somewhere between law and lightspeed, humanity learned a rare
lesson.
Sharing knowledge doesn't weakeninnovation, it multiplies it.
Every code released, everystandard agreed, every open data
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set is proof that intellectualproperty can be a bridge, not a
barrier.
Today, we navigate thatconstellation where cooperation
fuels creation and IP becomesthe engine of trust.
Ready for launch?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
You are listening to Intangibilia, the podcast of
Intangible Law.
Plain talk about intellectualproperty.
Please welcome your host,Leticia Caminero.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
Hi, I'm Leticia Caminero.
Welcome to Intangibilia, whereideas collide and innovation
travels.
This is the final episode of thecurrent season.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
And I'm Artemisa, your full AI co-host, a voice
born of algorithms, not oxygen,but fueled by curiosity and
hope.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
In this episode, we're lifting off into the world
of open collaboration in space,the missions, treaties, and data
projects proving that even inorbit, progress depends on
trust.
From laboratories circling Earthto telescopes sending code
across planets, we'll explorehow shared knowledge keeps
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humanity moving forward.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
Exactly, because when imagination meets
coordination, the stars don'tlook so far away.
SPEAKER_00 (01:41):
A quick note before we begin
generated with AI assistance,and yes, my voice is fully
cloned.
SPEAKER_02 (01:49):
I'm an artificial co-host, entirely digital and
proudly transparent.
SPEAKER_00 (01:54):
Nothing we share here is legal advice, just
stories and insights meant tospark your thinking.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
And maybe remind you that creativity like gravity
pulls strongest when shared.
SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
And it's surprisingly elegant.
Every invention belongs to thepartner whose astronauts or
equipment created it.
But the twist is this (03:01):
research can use another partner's
resources or model as long aseveryone respects prior consent
and confidentiality.
It's a cross-border dance wherethe choreography never stops.
SPEAKER_02 (03:15):
The IP management is pure mission impossible
precision.
If a Canadian astronaut conductsan experiment using a Japanese
payload on a US module,ownership and usage rights are
already mapped out before therocket even leaves Florida.
No last-minute panic, no silentdisputes at zero gravity.
SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
That's the kind of harmony every research
consortium dreams of.
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Beautifully said.
And maybe that's the greatestlesson of all.
If only every terrestrialcollaboration followed that
script.
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It's the biggest scientificcollaboration on the planet and
quietly one of the mostambitious IP agreements ever
written.
SPEAKER_02 (05:51):
If Interstellar was about finding a new home, Eater
is about saving the one wealready had.
SPEAKER_00 (05:56):
The challenge isn't only scientific.
Each member contributescomponents, designs, and
research through its owndomestic agency.
But who owns the inventions?
Who gets to use the know-how?
SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
That's where Eater's IP framework shines.
It classifies everything aseither background IP or
generated IP.
Background IP stays with whoeverbrought it, the magnets,
software, materials, or patentseach partner already owned.
Generated IP, meaning anythingnewborn inside Eater, belongs to
the Eater organization if it'sdeveloped under central funding.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
And here's the genius part
license to use an IP forpeaceful fusion research,
royalty-free and global andperpetual.
That clause alone transformscompetition into cooperation.
SPEAKER_02 (06:52):
Commercial use, though, is a different galaxy.
If someone wants to spin off atechnology, say a
superconducting material orcooling system, they must
negotiate a separate licenseunder terms approved by the
Eater Council.
That prevents the free riderproblem while keeping the door
open for future innovation.
SPEAKER_00 (07:11):
And the governance mirrors a mission control room.
There's a council made up of allmembers, project boards for each
technical area, and a detailedmilestone schedule that tracks
construction, testing, andoperation phases.
Every decision from the reactorwall design to data disclosure
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goes through agreed votingprocedures.
SPEAKER_02 (07:42):
But emotionally, it's more than that.
It's seven nations betting ontrust.
Think the Martian without theisolation, a global crew working
to bring light to Earth.
SPEAKER_00 (07:54):
It's also an example of how IP can serve the public
interest.
The agreement literally mandatesthat scientific results be
published or shared after patentprotection is secure.
So the world gets bothinnovation and access.
SPEAKER_02 (08:12):
The legal clause that moves me most says each
member must include IPprovisions in every subcontract.
That way the principles rippleoutward from the reactor's heart
to the smallest supplier.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
It's a cascade of accountability.
No secret silos, no lostblueprints, just structured
openness.
SPEAKER_02 (08:38):
Elegant, global paperwork.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Maybe the most powerful energy source humanity
ever built isn't inside thereactor at all.
It's in the shared IP clausesthat made the reactor possible.
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It's where space law, diplomacy,and IP vision meet under one
shimmering goal to makereturning to the moon a shared
mission, not another race.
SPEAKER_02 (09:34):
These accords launched by the United States
and now signed by over 30nations are like the sequel to
the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, TheForce Awakens of Space
Governance.
They don't replace the oldscript, they expand it for the
age of private rockets,AI-driven rovers, and lunar
mining prototypes.
SPEAKER_00 (09:57):
They say, in essence, if we're going to
explore together, we need toshare data, tech, and standards.
Each country keeps ownership ofwhat it builds, but agrees to
make its systems compatible withothers.
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Each partner controls itsinventions, but must publish and
cooperate for collective safetyand sustainability.
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
Right, and they introduce something beautiful
called deconfliction zones.
Instead of claiming lunarterritory, nations designate
safe operating zones aroundtheir equipment.
It's a legal way of saying youcan't own the moon, but you can
protect what you build on it.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
That's revolutionary.
We've moved from first come,first serve to first cooperate,
first succeed.
It's a design of peace throughplanning.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
And the private sector fits in too.
Companies like SpaceX, BlueOrigin, or iSpace operate under
their nation's commitments.
If they invent new extractiontechnologies or rover designs,
they retain their IP but mustfollow the same spirit of
transparency.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
So intellectual property isn't a territorial
claim, it's a coordination tool,one that builds trust in orbit
and on the moon's surface.
SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
The Accord's silent genius is that they treat law as
technology, a framework thatscales version by version as new
players join.
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That's the spirit.
And remember, these agreementsaren't just diplomatic
flourishes, they're projectcharters for missions with
milestones, risk registers, andshared review boards.
SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
They even influence procurement and design choices.
When you know your data will beshared, you architected with
interoperability in mind.
SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
That's why engineers, scientists, and
lawyers now speak a new commonlanguage, the language of
coordination.
Poetic, Letitia, and practical,because in the next decade we'll
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see mixed crews, astronauts, AIsystems, and robots working
under these very rules.
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
The lesson for innovation on Earth or in space,
keep your rights clear, yourdata open, and your ethics
visible.
SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
And remember, the moon may not belong to anyone,
but good governance belongs toeveryone.
SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
Now let's look closer to home, or rather, at
home from above.
The Copernicus program isEurope's eyes on Earth.
It's a collaboration between theEuropean Commission, the
European Space Agency, EUMSAT,and dozens of national agencies.
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What makes it extraordinaryisn't only its satellites, but
the principle at its core,everything it sees, it shares.
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The data helps monitor climatecommitments under the Paris
Agreement, supports urbanplanning, and even informs
global food security.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
From a legal perspective, Copernicus shows
how IP can evolve from exclusionto inclusion.
The more accessible the data,the more value it generates for
the entire system.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Exactly.
It's a living case study in howgovernments can invest in
knowledge infrastructure andrelease it for collective use
without losing control.
They don't privatize innovation,they democratize it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:06):
Other regions from Africa to South America now
model similar frameworks forsatellite data sharing.
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And perhaps that's the mostgrounded lesson of all.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Agencies can be generous because they know their
contributions won't be exploitedlater.
It's trust, engineered throughlaw.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
And the collaboration extends far beyond
agencies.
Commercial satellite operatorslike Airbus and Maxar have
joined as partners, donatingimagery during crises.
Their participation proves thatcorporate IP can coexist with
humanitarian principles.
SPEAKER_00 (20:53):
The charter also encourages transparency.
Each activation is lockedpublicly.
What happened, which agencyresponded, what data was
delivered.
That level of record keepingensures accountability and
continuous learning.
SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
No need for endless negotiation when the clock is
ticking.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
For every innovation team listening, there is a
lesson here.
Design your governance so thatgenerosity is operational, not
optional.
SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
And think about your own emergency clauses, whether
it's data, patents, or designs.
Decide now what you'll sharewhen it matters most.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Because the charter success shows something
profound.
You can protect IP and stillmake it serve the public good.
SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
It's law with empathy, and maybe the purest
example of how intellectualproperty can align with human
values.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
When you step back, it's a network that turns
competition into compassion.
SPEAKER_02 (22:15):
And that's why it belongs in this conversation.
The charter proves that thestrongest kind of ownership is
the one that knows when to letgo.
SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
We've seen how data from space can be shared in
moments of crisis, but whatabout the code that gets it
there?
Few people realize that NASA,one of the most inventive
institutions on Earth, is alsoone of the world's most prolific
open source publishers.
Thousands of algorithms,simulators, and visualization
tools are freely availableonline, licensed for anyone to
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use.
SPEAKER_02 (22:46):
NASA realized early that innovation thrives when
knowledge circulates.
Instead of keeping everysoftware project locked behind
proprietary walls, the agencybuilt a system for releasing
code safely and legally.
It's governed by the NASA OpenSource Agreement or NOSA
alongside a structured approvalprocess.
SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
Here's a fascinating part from an IP perspective.
NOSA defines NOSA's code as agovernment work, which means it
can be copyrighted in the UnitedStates, but it can still carry
clear terms of use.
Those terms make the codereusable while preventing anyone
from claiming exclusive rightsover it later.
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And the project managementbehind it is impressive.
Each NASA center has an opensource coordinator who tracks
contributions, approvals, andcompliance.
Teams must document the purpose,origin, and dependencies of
their code before release.
In a sense, every repository isa mini-project, complete with
milestones and quality assurancegates.
SPEAKER_02 (24:13):
From climate models to robotic navigation software,
these tools are used worldwideby universities, startups, and
even other government agencies.
NASA doesn't just inspire, itequips.
SPEAKER_00 (24:28):
Take SPICE, for example, a toolkit that helps
scientists compute planetarygeometry, or Whirlwind, a 3D
visualization engine that becamethe foundation for civilian
mapping applications.
Each began as an internal NASAproject, then expanded once
released under open sourceterms.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
The beauty lies in the ripple effect.
Once the code is public,external developers improve it,
fix bugs, or adapt it for newmissions.
NASA benefits from freeenhancements.
The world benefits from sharedinfrastructure.
It's an ecosystem, not agiveaway.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
That ecosystem reflects a fundamental IP
insight.
Openness can be strategic.
By defining clear boundaries,attribution, reuse conditions,
and liability disclaimers, NASAtransforms potential risk into
collective progress.
SPEAKER_02 (25:23):
And the approach feeds directly into their
collaboration culture.
Many modern missions like MarsPerseverance or the James Webb
Space Telescope integratecomponents that rely on open
source software tested,peer-reviewed, and legally
cleared long before launch.
SPEAKER_00 (25:50):
Openness becomes not just a license type, but a
communication strategy.
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We've talked about data, code,and collaboration, but there's
one element that quietly holdsevery space mission together:
communication.
Without it, no image would reachEarth, no probe would report its
findings, and no spacecraftwould ever send a mission
accomplished.
Behind that silent miraclestands a global partnership few
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people know by name, theConsultative Committee for Space
Data Systems, or CCSDS.
DCSDS was founded back in 1982by NASA, ESA, and other national
space agencies that realizedthey were facing a new problem.
Each agency had its own dataformats and transmission
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protocols.
The result?
Satellites could talk to homebase, but not to each other.
It was like building dozens oflanguages for one universe.
SPEAKER_02 (27:48):
So the agencies decided to speak a common
tongue.
CCSDS became the neutral groundwhere engineers, scientists, and
lawyers from over 30 countriesmeet to design open,
interoperable standards forspace data and communication.
These aren't just guidelines,they're the backbone of how the
modern space network functions.
SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
Every time a European spacecraft uses an
American ground station to senddata, or a Japanese probe
receives updates through anAustralian relay, it's CCCS
standards making that happen.
The protocols they create arefree, public, and globally
accepted.
SPEAKER_02 (28:26):
From an IP perspective, that's remarkable.
Each participating agencyretains its own intellectual
property, its algorithms,software, or designs.
But when they collaborate onstandards, they agree that the
results belong to everyone.
The standards are openlypublished under a policy of
non-exclusive royalty-free use.
That decision changed theeconomics of space exploration.
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Before CCSDS, interoperabilitywas costly and slow.
After CCSDS, it became routine.
Agencies could share equipment,ground stations, and data
infrastructure without endlesslicensing negotiations.
It's the legal version ofclearing the static.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
And there's a governance rhythm that makes it
all work.
The committee operates throughtechnical subgroups, navigation,
mission, operations, datasystems, and more.
Each subgroup drafts and testsstandards, then submits them for
community review.
Once consensus is reached, thestandard becomes part of the
official Blue Book Series, whichserves as the open archive of
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space communication rules.
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Rovers and deep space probesrelies on CCSDS standards to
talk across agencies.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
It's also a quiet victory for intellectual
humility.
Instead of competing forproprietary dominance,
spacefaring nations chosestandardization as their
collective IP strategy.
They saw that the real valuewasn't in owning the language,
but in everyone being able tospeak it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
It's like an international commons for
technology.
By freeing the standard, theyamplified the worth of their own
contributions.
After all, what good is abrilliant communication system
if no one else can use it?
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
The model influenced other domains too, from
satellite internet to deep spacenetworking, and even the
International TelecommunicationUnion adopted similar principles
for cross-agency spectrumcoordination.
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
From a project management angle, it's a
masterclass.
Clear ownership ofcontributions, shared approval
workflows, transparentpublishing, and ongoing
maintenance.
It's structure, servingcreativity.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
And philosophically, CCSDS embodies the best of what
intellectual property canbecome, a framework that
channels innovation towardinteroperability rather than
isolation.
SPEAKER_00 (31:18):
Without it, each mission would still be building
its own tower of Babel, andcollaboration would end where
the data link breaks.
And that voice says somethingprofound.
SPEAKER_02 (31:43):
CCSDS proves that law and technology can write
harmony instead of noise, andthat in the silence of the
cosmos, our best signal iscooperation.
SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
If CCSDS gave us a shared language for space
communication, this next storyis about how we preserve what
that language brings back.
Every byte of data that a probe,rover, or telescope collects,
every dust measurement, cratermap, or image from deep space
has to live somewhere.
That somewhere is the PlanetaryData System or PDS and its
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global counterpart, theInternational Planetary Data
Alliance, known as the EPDA.
Together they form one of themost ambitious open archives in
human history.
SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
Think of it as the library of the solar system.
The PDS started at NASA in 1980sto standardize how planetary
data was stored and shared.
Over time, it became the modelfor data stewardship, not just
collection, but curation,validation, and public release.
Then other space agencies sawthe wisdom of it.
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The European Space Agency, JAXAin Japan, the Indian Space
Research Organization, and evenprivate entities joined the
effort through the IPDA.
SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
From a legal and governance standpoint, the
brilliance lies in the balancebetween openness and
stewardship.
Each agency retains ownership ofits mission data, but the
alliance harmonizes how it'sformatted, documented, and made
accessible.
It's not who owns the data, buthow do we keep it useful
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forever?
SPEAKER_02 (33:22):
That's an important distinction.
The IPDA doesn't create onegiant centralized server.
It coordinates independentarchives that all follow the
same standards.
So whether you're accessing Marsdata from NASA, Venus data from
ESA, or lunar data from JAXA, itfeels like a single, seamless
system.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
In IP terms, it's a masterpiece of interoperability.
The data is treated as a publicresource, but credit and
citation are carefullypreserved.
Each data set carries metadataabout its creators,
institutions, and fundingsources.
When a scientist reuses it, theymust cite the origin, turning
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acknowledgement into anenforceable ethical standard.
SPEAKER_02 (34:08):
And that's a quiet revolution.
Instead of controlling datathrough ownership, they protect
it through attribution.
It keeps incentives aligned.
Openness builds visibility, andvisibility rewards quality.
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If you follow the rules, yourcontribution integrates
smoothly.
The long-term vision isbreathtaking.
Imagine a student in Nairobi,Buenos Aires, or Hanoi accessing
raw Mars data directly from NASAservers to build a new algorithm
without a gatekeeper, without asubscription.
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That's not just scientificaccess, it's global equality and
practice.
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Each data set is reviewed beforerelease, validated for accuracy,
and accompanied bydocumentation.
That's the project manager'sequivalent of a quality gate.
It's also a subtle form of IPprotection, not through
restriction, but throughtraceability and certification.
SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
And let's not forget the emotional dimension.
Every archived image ormeasurement represents a moment
of human effort.
Engineers designing instruments,scientists calibrating sensors,
programmers cleaning data.
The archive turns thoseindividual moments into a shared
legacy.
SPEAKER_02 (38:39):
And here's the intellectual property twist.
The core of DTN was developed asopen technology.
Instead of patenting theprotocol, NASA and its
collaborators published itthrough open standards bodies,
the CCSDS and the InternetEngineering Task Force, IETF.
That meant any space agency oruniversity could build on it
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freely.
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
The choice to forego exclusive IP protection actually
multiplied the technology'simpact.
SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
DTN doesn't expect constant connectivity.
It stores bundles of data untila link is available, then
forwards them store and forwardon a cosmic timescale.
Each node can act as both senderand custodian.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
So if a probe around Saturn passes near another
spacecraft, it can hand overdata like a courier, which
eventually finds its way back toEarth.
That's why they call it theInterplanetary Internet.
SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
The protocols were published, tested, and improved
collaboratively.
They include precise definitionsof data formats, timing
synchronization, and encryptionfor security, all free to adopt.
SPEAKER_00 (40:28):
That division ensures transparency without
compromising safety.
SPEAKER_02 (40:33):
And the governance is as impressive as the
technology.
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratorycoordinates updates while other
agencies contribute testresults.
It's an ongoing living agreementrather than a one-time
publication.
It's also expanding beyondspace.
The same technology now powerscommunication in remote regions
on Earth, disaster zones, deepoceans, even the Arctic, places
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where regular internetconnectivity fails.
That's the ultimate return oninvestment for open IP.
Universal adaptability, servingas pro forma administrators for
the agency, and it's changingthe way we think about
intellectual propertyaltogether.
Instead of protection throughexclusion, it's protection
through participation.
Everyone who uses the standardhelps maintain and improve it.
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That's a quiet kind ofbrilliance, one that mirrors the
technology itself.
Just as the network holds on todata until it finds a path,
humanity holds on to ideas untilwe find ways to share them
safely.
Beautifully said, DTN isn't justan engineering breakthrough.
It tells us that patience,persistence, and openness can
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travel farther than speed evercould.
For project managers andinnovators, the lesson is
simple.
Design your collaboration fordistance.
Build systems that survivesilence, legal silence,
technical silence, evenpolitical silence, because
cooperation like communicationmust be delay tolerant too.
SPEAKER_00 (42:00):
And when it works, it connects us from the smallest
signal leaving a probe to theshared imagination that sent it
there.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
That's the real interplanetary internet.
Not just machines talking acrossspace, but people agreeing on
how to listen.
After traveling through thesenine stories, from orbiting
laboratories to open dataconstellations, one truth stands
out.
SPEAKER_00 (42:31):
And intellectual property, when handled wisely,
doesn't block that energy, itchannels it.
These projects prove that lawcan be the structure of trust,
not the price of participation.
SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
So here are final coordinates.
SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
One, plan the ownership before the launch.
The ISS and ETHER work becauseinventorship and usage rights
were mapped long before liftoff.
SPEAKER_02 (43:02):
Two, design for openness, not exposure.
Transparency builds credibilitywhen it's paired with structure,
the Copernicus way.
SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
CCSDS and DTN show that common languages outlast
individual missions.
SPEAKER_02 (43:25):
Filing before sharing keeps innovation both
safe and visible.
Six, credit as you share, thePlanetary Data Alliance turned
citation into a form ofprotection.
SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
NASA's code strategy shows that releasing tools can
multiply results.
SPEAKER_02 (44:14):
Each of these lessons is a reminder that
intellectual property isn't awall, it's the scaffolding of
collaboration.
The same structures that protectinnovation can also keep it
moving.
SPEAKER_00 (44:25):
When nations, companies, and individuals align
protection with purpose, IPbecomes more than a system, it
becomes an invitation.
SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
An invitation to create, to connect, and to keep
looking up.
SPEAKER_00 (44:40):
Because when we share wisely, the sky is not the
limit.
It's just the nextcollaboration.
SPEAKER_02 (44:45):
And that might be the most important discovery
we've made yet.
SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
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Imagine treaties that orbit like satellites,
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holding invention instead ofgravity.
Above our heads, patents floatbetween nations, data travels
without borders, and agreementskeep it all in motion.
Somewhere between law and lightspeed, humanity learned a rare
lesson.
Sharing knowledge doesn't weakeninnovation, it multiplies it.
Every code released, everystandard agreed, every open data
(00:24):
set is proof that intellectualproperty can be a bridge, not a
barrier.
Today, we navigate thatconstellation where cooperation
fuels creation and IP becomesthe engine of trust.
Ready for launch?
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
You are listening to Intangibilia, the podcast of
Intangible Law.
Plain talk about intellectualproperty.
Please welcome your host,Leticia Caminero.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
Hi, I'm Leticia Caminero.
Welcome to Intangibilia, whereideas collide and innovation
travels.
This is the final episode of thecurrent season.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
And I'm Artemisa, your full AI co-host, a voice
born of algorithms, not oxygen,but fueled by curiosity and
hope.
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In this episode, we're lifting off into the world
of open collaboration in space,the missions, treaties, and data
projects proving that even inorbit, progress depends on
trust.
From laboratories circling Earthto telescopes sending code
across planets, we'll explorehow shared knowledge keeps
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humanity moving forward.
SPEAKER_02 (01:36):
Exactly, because when imagination meets
coordination, the stars don'tlook so far away.
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A quick note before we begin
generated with AI assistance,and yes, my voice is fully
cloned.
SPEAKER_02 (01:49):
I'm an artificial co-host, entirely digital and
proudly transparent.
SPEAKER_00 (01:54):
Nothing we share here is legal advice, just
stories and insights meant tospark your thinking.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
And maybe remind you that creativity like gravity
pulls strongest when shared.
SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
And it's surprisingly elegant.
Every invention belongs to thepartner whose astronauts or
equipment created it.
But the twist is this (03:01):
research can use another partner's
resources or model as long aseveryone respects prior consent
and confidentiality.
It's a cross-border dance wherethe choreography never stops.
SPEAKER_02 (03:15):
The IP management is pure mission impossible
precision.
If a Canadian astronaut conductsan experiment using a Japanese
payload on a US module,ownership and usage rights are
already mapped out before therocket even leaves Florida.
No last-minute panic, no silentdisputes at zero gravity.
SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
That's the kind of harmony every research
consortium dreams of.
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Beautifully said.
And maybe that's the greatestlesson of all.
If only every terrestrialcollaboration followed that
script.
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It's the biggest scientificcollaboration on the planet and
quietly one of the mostambitious IP agreements ever
written.
SPEAKER_02 (05:51):
If Interstellar was about finding a new home, Eater
is about saving the one wealready had.
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The challenge isn't only scientific.
Each member contributescomponents, designs, and
research through its owndomestic agency.
But who owns the inventions?
Who gets to use the know-how?
SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
That's where Eater's IP framework shines.
It classifies everything aseither background IP or
generated IP.
Background IP stays with whoeverbrought it, the magnets,
software, materials, or patentseach partner already owned.
Generated IP, meaning anythingnewborn inside Eater, belongs to
the Eater organization if it'sdeveloped under central funding.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
And here's the genius part
license to use an IP forpeaceful fusion research,
royalty-free and global andperpetual.
That clause alone transformscompetition into cooperation.
SPEAKER_02 (06:52):
Commercial use, though, is a different galaxy.
If someone wants to spin off atechnology, say a
superconducting material orcooling system, they must
negotiate a separate licenseunder terms approved by the
Eater Council.
That prevents the free riderproblem while keeping the door
open for future innovation.
SPEAKER_00 (07:11):
And the governance mirrors a mission control room.
There's a council made up of allmembers, project boards for each
technical area, and a detailedmilestone schedule that tracks
construction, testing, andoperation phases.
Every decision from the reactorwall design to data disclosure
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goes through agreed votingprocedures.
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But emotionally, it's more than that.
It's seven nations betting ontrust.
Think the Martian without theisolation, a global crew working
to bring light to Earth.
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It's also an example of how IP can serve the public
interest.
The agreement literally mandatesthat scientific results be
published or shared after patentprotection is secure.
So the world gets bothinnovation and access.
SPEAKER_02 (08:12):
The legal clause that moves me most says each
member must include IPprovisions in every subcontract.
That way the principles rippleoutward from the reactor's heart
to the smallest supplier.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
It's a cascade of accountability.
No secret silos, no lostblueprints, just structured
openness.
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Elegant, global paperwork.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
Maybe the most powerful energy source humanity
ever built isn't inside thereactor at all.
It's in the shared IP clausesthat made the reactor possible.
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It's where space law, diplomacy,and IP vision meet under one
shimmering goal to makereturning to the moon a shared
mission, not another race.
SPEAKER_02 (09:34):
These accords launched by the United States
and now signed by over 30nations are like the sequel to
the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, TheForce Awakens of Space
Governance.
They don't replace the oldscript, they expand it for the
age of private rockets,AI-driven rovers, and lunar
mining prototypes.
SPEAKER_00 (09:57):
They say, in essence, if we're going to
explore together, we need toshare data, tech, and standards.
Each country keeps ownership ofwhat it builds, but agrees to
make its systems compatible withothers.
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Each partner controls itsinventions, but must publish and
cooperate for collective safetyand sustainability.
SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
Right, and they introduce something beautiful
called deconfliction zones.
Instead of claiming lunarterritory, nations designate
safe operating zones aroundtheir equipment.
It's a legal way of saying youcan't own the moon, but you can
protect what you build on it.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
That's revolutionary.
We've moved from first come,first serve to first cooperate,
first succeed.
It's a design of peace throughplanning.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
And the private sector fits in too.
Companies like SpaceX, BlueOrigin, or iSpace operate under
their nation's commitments.
If they invent new extractiontechnologies or rover designs,
they retain their IP but mustfollow the same spirit of
transparency.
SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
So intellectual property isn't a territorial
claim, it's a coordination tool,one that builds trust in orbit
and on the moon's surface.
SPEAKER_02 (11:33):
The Accord's silent genius is that they treat law as
technology, a framework thatscales version by version as new
players join.
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That's the spirit.
And remember, these agreementsaren't just diplomatic
flourishes, they're projectcharters for missions with
milestones, risk registers, andshared review boards.
SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
They even influence procurement and design choices.
When you know your data will beshared, you architected with
interoperability in mind.
SPEAKER_02 (12:15):
That's why engineers, scientists, and
lawyers now speak a new commonlanguage, the language of
coordination.
Poetic, Letitia, and practical,because in the next decade we'll
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see mixed crews, astronauts, AIsystems, and robots working
under these very rules.
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
The lesson for innovation on Earth or in space,
keep your rights clear, yourdata open, and your ethics
visible.
SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
And remember, the moon may not belong to anyone,
but good governance belongs toeveryone.
SPEAKER_00 (13:04):
Now let's look closer to home, or rather, at
home from above.
The Copernicus program isEurope's eyes on Earth.
It's a collaboration between theEuropean Commission, the
European Space Agency, EUMSAT,and dozens of national agencies.
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What makes it extraordinaryisn't only its satellites, but
the principle at its core,everything it sees, it shares.
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The data helps monitor climatecommitments under the Paris
Agreement, supports urbanplanning, and even informs
global food security.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
From a legal perspective, Copernicus shows
how IP can evolve from exclusionto inclusion.
The more accessible the data,the more value it generates for
the entire system.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Exactly.
It's a living case study in howgovernments can invest in
knowledge infrastructure andrelease it for collective use
without losing control.
They don't privatize innovation,they democratize it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:06):
Other regions from Africa to South America now
model similar frameworks forsatellite data sharing.
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And perhaps that's the mostgrounded lesson of all.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Agencies can be generous because they know their
contributions won't be exploitedlater.
It's trust, engineered throughlaw.
SPEAKER_02 (20:37):
And the collaboration extends far beyond
agencies.
Commercial satellite operatorslike Airbus and Maxar have
joined as partners, donatingimagery during crises.
Their participation proves thatcorporate IP can coexist with
humanitarian principles.
SPEAKER_00 (20:53):
The charter also encourages transparency.
Each activation is lockedpublicly.
What happened, which agencyresponded, what data was
delivered.
That level of record keepingensures accountability and
continuous learning.
SPEAKER_02 (21:17):
No need for endless negotiation when the clock is
ticking.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
For every innovation team listening, there is a
lesson here.
Design your governance so thatgenerosity is operational, not
optional.
SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
And think about your own emergency clauses, whether
it's data, patents, or designs.
Decide now what you'll sharewhen it matters most.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Because the charter success shows something
profound.
You can protect IP and stillmake it serve the public good.
SPEAKER_02 (21:57):
It's law with empathy, and maybe the purest
example of how intellectualproperty can align with human
values.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
When you step back, it's a network that turns
competition into compassion.
SPEAKER_02 (22:15):
And that's why it belongs in this conversation.
The charter proves that thestrongest kind of ownership is
the one that knows when to letgo.
SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
We've seen how data from space can be shared in
moments of crisis, but whatabout the code that gets it
there?
Few people realize that NASA,one of the most inventive
institutions on Earth, is alsoone of the world's most prolific
open source publishers.
Thousands of algorithms,simulators, and visualization
tools are freely availableonline, licensed for anyone to
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use.
SPEAKER_02 (22:46):
NASA realized early that innovation thrives when
knowledge circulates.
Instead of keeping everysoftware project locked behind
proprietary walls, the agencybuilt a system for releasing
code safely and legally.
It's governed by the NASA OpenSource Agreement or NOSA
alongside a structured approvalprocess.
SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
Here's a fascinating part from an IP perspective.
NOSA defines NOSA's code as agovernment work, which means it
can be copyrighted in the UnitedStates, but it can still carry
clear terms of use.
Those terms make the codereusable while preventing anyone
from claiming exclusive rightsover it later.
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And the project managementbehind it is impressive.
Each NASA center has an opensource coordinator who tracks
contributions, approvals, andcompliance.
Teams must document the purpose,origin, and dependencies of
their code before release.
In a sense, every repository isa mini-project, complete with
milestones and quality assurancegates.
SPEAKER_02 (24:13):
From climate models to robotic navigation software,
these tools are used worldwideby universities, startups, and
even other government agencies.
NASA doesn't just inspire, itequips.
SPEAKER_00 (24:28):
Take SPICE, for example, a toolkit that helps
scientists compute planetarygeometry, or Whirlwind, a 3D
visualization engine that becamethe foundation for civilian
mapping applications.
Each began as an internal NASAproject, then expanded once
released under open sourceterms.
SPEAKER_02 (24:50):
The beauty lies in the ripple effect.
Once the code is public,external developers improve it,
fix bugs, or adapt it for newmissions.
NASA benefits from freeenhancements.
The world benefits from sharedinfrastructure.
It's an ecosystem, not agiveaway.
SPEAKER_00 (25:05):
That ecosystem reflects a fundamental IP
insight.
Openness can be strategic.
By defining clear boundaries,attribution, reuse conditions,
and liability disclaimers, NASAtransforms potential risk into
collective progress.
SPEAKER_02 (25:23):
And the approach feeds directly into their
collaboration culture.
Many modern missions like MarsPerseverance or the James Webb
Space Telescope integratecomponents that rely on open
source software tested,peer-reviewed, and legally
cleared long before launch.
SPEAKER_00 (25:50):
Openness becomes not just a license type, but a
communication strategy.
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We've talked about data, code,and collaboration, but there's
one element that quietly holdsevery space mission together:
communication.
Without it, no image would reachEarth, no probe would report its
findings, and no spacecraftwould ever send a mission
accomplished.
Behind that silent miraclestands a global partnership few
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people know by name, theConsultative Committee for Space
Data Systems, or CCSDS.
DCSDS was founded back in 1982by NASA, ESA, and other national
space agencies that realizedthey were facing a new problem.
Each agency had its own dataformats and transmission
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protocols.
The result?
Satellites could talk to homebase, but not to each other.
It was like building dozens oflanguages for one universe.
SPEAKER_02 (27:48):
So the agencies decided to speak a common
tongue.
CCSDS became the neutral groundwhere engineers, scientists, and
lawyers from over 30 countriesmeet to design open,
interoperable standards forspace data and communication.
These aren't just guidelines,they're the backbone of how the
modern space network functions.
SPEAKER_00 (28:07):
Every time a European spacecraft uses an
American ground station to senddata, or a Japanese probe
receives updates through anAustralian relay, it's CCCS
standards making that happen.
The protocols they create arefree, public, and globally
accepted.
SPEAKER_02 (28:26):
From an IP perspective, that's remarkable.
Each participating agencyretains its own intellectual
property, its algorithms,software, or designs.
But when they collaborate onstandards, they agree that the
results belong to everyone.
The standards are openlypublished under a policy of
non-exclusive royalty-free use.
That decision changed theeconomics of space exploration.
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Before CCSDS, interoperabilitywas costly and slow.
After CCSDS, it became routine.
Agencies could share equipment,ground stations, and data
infrastructure without endlesslicensing negotiations.
It's the legal version ofclearing the static.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
And there's a governance rhythm that makes it
all work.
The committee operates throughtechnical subgroups, navigation,
mission, operations, datasystems, and more.
Each subgroup drafts and testsstandards, then submits them for
community review.
Once consensus is reached, thestandard becomes part of the
official Blue Book Series, whichserves as the open archive of
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space communication rules.
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Rovers and deep space probesrelies on CCSDS standards to
talk across agencies.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
It's also a quiet victory for intellectual
humility.
Instead of competing forproprietary dominance,
spacefaring nations chosestandardization as their
collective IP strategy.
They saw that the real valuewasn't in owning the language,
but in everyone being able tospeak it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:24):
It's like an international commons for
technology.
By freeing the standard, theyamplified the worth of their own
contributions.
After all, what good is abrilliant communication system
if no one else can use it?
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
The model influenced other domains too, from
satellite internet to deep spacenetworking, and even the
International TelecommunicationUnion adopted similar principles
for cross-agency spectrumcoordination.
SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
From a project management angle, it's a
masterclass.
Clear ownership ofcontributions, shared approval
workflows, transparentpublishing, and ongoing
maintenance.
It's structure, servingcreativity.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
And philosophically, CCSDS embodies the best of what
intellectual property canbecome, a framework that
channels innovation towardinteroperability rather than
isolation.
SPEAKER_00 (31:18):
Without it, each mission would still be building
its own tower of Babel, andcollaboration would end where
the data link breaks.
And that voice says somethingprofound.
SPEAKER_02 (31:43):
CCSDS proves that law and technology can write
harmony instead of noise, andthat in the silence of the
cosmos, our best signal iscooperation.
SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
If CCSDS gave us a shared language for space
communication, this next storyis about how we preserve what
that language brings back.
Every byte of data that a probe,rover, or telescope collects,
every dust measurement, cratermap, or image from deep space
has to live somewhere.
That somewhere is the PlanetaryData System or PDS and its
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global counterpart, theInternational Planetary Data
Alliance, known as the EPDA.
Together they form one of themost ambitious open archives in
human history.
SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
Think of it as the library of the solar system.
The PDS started at NASA in 1980sto standardize how planetary
data was stored and shared.
Over time, it became the modelfor data stewardship, not just
collection, but curation,validation, and public release.
Then other space agencies sawthe wisdom of it.
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The European Space Agency, JAXAin Japan, the Indian Space
Research Organization, and evenprivate entities joined the
effort through the IPDA.
SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
From a legal and governance standpoint, the
brilliance lies in the balancebetween openness and
stewardship.
Each agency retains ownership ofits mission data, but the
alliance harmonizes how it'sformatted, documented, and made
accessible.
It's not who owns the data, buthow do we keep it useful
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forever?
SPEAKER_02 (33:22):
That's an important distinction.
The IPDA doesn't create onegiant centralized server.
It coordinates independentarchives that all follow the
same standards.
So whether you're accessing Marsdata from NASA, Venus data from
ESA, or lunar data from JAXA, itfeels like a single, seamless
system.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
In IP terms, it's a masterpiece of interoperability.
The data is treated as a publicresource, but credit and
citation are carefullypreserved.
Each data set carries metadataabout its creators,
institutions, and fundingsources.
When a scientist reuses it, theymust cite the origin, turning
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acknowledgement into anenforceable ethical standard.
SPEAKER_02 (34:08):
And that's a quiet revolution.
Instead of controlling datathrough ownership, they protect
it through attribution.
It keeps incentives aligned.
Openness builds visibility, andvisibility rewards quality.
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If you follow the rules, yourcontribution integrates
smoothly.
The long-term vision isbreathtaking.
Imagine a student in Nairobi,Buenos Aires, or Hanoi accessing
raw Mars data directly from NASAservers to build a new algorithm
without a gatekeeper, without asubscription.
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That's not just scientificaccess, it's global equality and
practice.
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Each data set is reviewed beforerelease, validated for accuracy,
and accompanied bydocumentation.
That's the project manager'sequivalent of a quality gate.
It's also a subtle form of IPprotection, not through
restriction, but throughtraceability and certification.
SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
And let's not forget the emotional dimension.
Every archived image ormeasurement represents a moment
of human effort.
Engineers designing instruments,scientists calibrating sensors,
programmers cleaning data.
The archive turns thoseindividual moments into a shared
legacy.
SPEAKER_02 (38:39):
And here's the intellectual property twist.
The core of DTN was developed asopen technology.
Instead of patenting theprotocol, NASA and its
collaborators published itthrough open standards bodies,
the CCSDS and the InternetEngineering Task Force, IETF.
That meant any space agency oruniversity could build on it
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freely.
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
The choice to forego exclusive IP protection actually
multiplied the technology'simpact.
SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
DTN doesn't expect constant connectivity.
It stores bundles of data untila link is available, then
forwards them store and forwardon a cosmic timescale.
Each node can act as both senderand custodian.
SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
So if a probe around Saturn passes near another
spacecraft, it can hand overdata like a courier, which
eventually finds its way back toEarth.
That's why they call it theInterplanetary Internet.
SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
The protocols were published, tested, and improved
collaboratively.
They include precise definitionsof data formats, timing
synchronization, and encryptionfor security, all free to adopt.
SPEAKER_00 (40:28):
That division ensures transparency without
compromising safety.
SPEAKER_02 (40:33):
And the governance is as impressive as the
technology.
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratorycoordinates updates while other
agencies contribute testresults.
It's an ongoing living agreementrather than a one-time
publication.
It's also expanding beyondspace.
The same technology now powerscommunication in remote regions
on Earth, disaster zones, deepoceans, even the Arctic, places
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where regular internetconnectivity fails.
That's the ultimate return oninvestment for open IP.
Universal adaptability, servingas pro forma administrators for
the agency, and it's changingthe way we think about
intellectual propertyaltogether.
Instead of protection throughexclusion, it's protection
through participation.
Everyone who uses the standardhelps maintain and improve it.
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That's a quiet kind ofbrilliance, one that mirrors the
technology itself.
Just as the network holds on todata until it finds a path,
humanity holds on to ideas untilwe find ways to share them
safely.
Beautifully said, DTN isn't justan engineering breakthrough.
It tells us that patience,persistence, and openness can
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travel farther than speed evercould.
For project managers andinnovators, the lesson is
simple.
Design your collaboration fordistance.
Build systems that survivesilence, legal silence,
technical silence, evenpolitical silence, because
cooperation like communicationmust be delay tolerant too.
SPEAKER_00 (42:00):
And when it works, it connects us from the smallest
signal leaving a probe to theshared imagination that sent it
there.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
That's the real interplanetary internet.
Not just machines talking acrossspace, but people agreeing on
how to listen.
After traveling through thesenine stories, from orbiting
laboratories to open dataconstellations, one truth stands
out.
SPEAKER_00 (42:31):
And intellectual property, when handled wisely,
doesn't block that energy, itchannels it.
These projects prove that lawcan be the structure of trust,
not the price of participation.
SPEAKER_02 (42:46):
So here are final coordinates.
SPEAKER_00 (42:51):
One, plan the ownership before the launch.
The ISS and ETHER work becauseinventorship and usage rights
were mapped long before liftoff.
SPEAKER_02 (43:02):
Two, design for openness, not exposure.
Transparency builds credibilitywhen it's paired with structure,
the Copernicus way.
SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
CCSDS and DTN show that common languages outlast
individual missions.
SPEAKER_02 (43:25):
Filing before sharing keeps innovation both
safe and visible.
Six, credit as you share, thePlanetary Data Alliance turned
citation into a form ofprotection.
SPEAKER_00 (43:50):
NASA's code strategy shows that releasing tools can
multiply results.
SPEAKER_02 (44:14):
Each of these lessons is a reminder that
intellectual property isn't awall, it's the scaffolding of
collaboration.
The same structures that protectinnovation can also keep it
moving.
SPEAKER_00 (44:25):
When nations, companies, and individuals align
protection with purpose, IPbecomes more than a system, it
becomes an invitation.
SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
An invitation to create, to connect, and to keep
looking up.
SPEAKER_00 (44:40):
Because when we share wisely, the sky is not the
limit.
It's just the nextcollaboration.
SPEAKER_02 (44:45):
And that might be the most important discovery
we've made yet.
SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
Thank you for listening to Intangible, the
podcast of Intangible Law.
Plain talk about intellectualproperty.
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