November 3, 2025 • 70 mins
El capital volvió a moverse, pero no a todas partes por igual. Conversamos con Amelia Santos Paulino sobre qué cambios prácticos pueden convertir la inversión en una palanca real de desarrollo. Desde reglas claras hasta capacidades locales, abrimos la caja de herramientas que hace la diferencia entre promesas y proyectos que sí se ejecutan.
Nos adentramos en el contraste entre comercio e inversión: la OMC ofrece reglas y arbitraje más definidos, mientras que miles de tratados bilaterales de inversión aún arrastran cláusulas antiguas que incentivan litigios y desalinean objetivos sociales y ambientales. Proponemos una actualización que incluya estándares ambientales obligatorios, salvaguardas laborales, transparencia y prevención de disputas. Bien negociados, los acuerdos pueden bajar el costo de capital, atraer tecnología y proteger a los más vulnerables; mal diseñados, perpetúan asimetrías y frenan la innovación en los países que más la necesitan.
La transición energética aparece como punto de inflexión. Hablamos de coinversión público-privada, banca de desarrollo y garantías para reducir riesgos en agua y energía, y de cómo el talento local, las universidades y las comunidades elevan la legitimidad social y la eficiencia técnica. Integramos un enfoque de género con evidencia sobre productividad y cultura organizacional, y exploramos cómo la digitalización, desde plataformas tributarias hasta conectividad en zonas apartadas, puede ampliar la participación económica. Miramos hacia adelante con herramientas como IoT para estadísticas, simulaciones multi-actor e inteligencia artificial para priorizar carteras, siempre con un principio rector: transparencia y cooperación para que cada dólar invertido deje huella social y retorno sostenible.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:06):
The thing is that the inversion has recuperated in
comparison with what were thetendencies of the crisis
financier global 2007-2008.
The inversion in comparison withthe commercial global, in
comparison with the productglobal.
(00:26):
But what I preoculture is thething about the research in the
inversion in the sectorsrelation to the objectives of
design sustainable.
SPEAKER_01 (02:05):
You fucked one of the Dominican that I connected
when I was a pleasure toconversate with you.
And for those who have theprivilege of conversation,
present and how I to Swiss.
SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Much introduced my academic professional.
My great passion is theeconomic.
(02:53):
But I had an interest for themacro, and I had the honor of
conversation for entering thebank as an economist, and I
started with my students oflicense of economic.
(04:25):
But my point, my career inRepublican Dominican, Minister
of Education, I was in BankCentral.
I work the complementary betweenthe political commercial and the
(04:47):
attraction of inversion.
(05:19):
My first position was academic,what we say in academia tenure
track at the University ofSussex, the Institute of
Investigation and DesignEconomic, which I formed many
economists.
And for questions ofdestination, I saw the
Republican Dominican licensesabbatical for contribution to
(05:42):
the negotiations of the librecommercial, DRK.
I think it was a laboratory ofapprentices.
(06:45):
I entered by competence, for sixyears, lider projects of
investigation more interessant,for example, how the economies
are emerging like China, India,and South Africa, and Brazil
contributed to a requilibrationwhat is the economy global.
(07:08):
And I was my races are veryimportant in what I know.
And I prefer the reality of theinsular Islands.
SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
And the passion has been to those.
SPEAKER_03 (09:12):
No, the orgasm is me, because you are in
Inglaterra and your passion anddedication and talking about a
thing, comment with what is theprophet intellectual and actual
like the intelligenceartificial.
SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
And now we're talking about the preguntation
of material.
Amelia, you work with grandflugsof inversion and data complex,
but also with a focus on thedesign.
SPEAKER_03 (10:50):
If we are at this point, the 80% of the inversion
extrangere in the economydigital is a 10 países.
(11:59):
So there's disability regional,disability sector, and this,
when we study, there are, forexample, what is the impact in
the world, or the people asleaders, how are we contribution
in certain sectors, in certainplaces.
(12:35):
And it's the reality, thedifference between the
objectives of design and whatwas the agenda of reduction of
the power.
(13:25):
The inversion is an instrumentredistributive because they
train recurs that no tiens.
Sabemos que the pain in design,the mayor, don't have the
capacity of general recursiveinternal.
(14:31):
Se hace al principio y son másriesgosos porque muchas veces
están protegidas por lalegislación nacional o son
recursos escasos o recursosprotegidos.
Entonces ahí es que viene lacomplejidad de lo que es la
política nacional y la políticainternacional.
Recuerda que la inversión notiene una casa como la
(14:51):
Organización Mundial delComercio.
Andrew is más peligroso, peropodemos volver a este tema.
El punto es que losinversionistas cancer un market
macroeconomically establecido inthe pain where they invierten,
no tener, verlo, porque it's aprocess exogen to else.
(15:21):
You have cases where they havethe recursion natural, but no
one are the engineers, theeconomists who can live, design,
implement the project ofinversion.
SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
Okay.
Dirigtion that alimentable WorldInvestment Report.
SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
The thing is that the inversion has recuperated in
comparison with what were thetendencies of the crisis
financier global 2007-2008.
The inversion was in comparisonwith the commercial global, in
comparison with the productglobal.
(16:19):
But what I prefer is the thingabout the research and the
inversion in the sectors relatedto the objective of sustainable.
(17:39):
Está más lejos mayor.
Los recursos que se necesitanpara alcanzar los objetivos de
desarrollo sostenible son más.
Entonces, aquí hay dos temas.
Uno es que las necesidades hanaumentado, han aumentado por los
cambios climáticos, por lasguerras, por los conflictos
bélicos, andient that notattained.
(18:33):
And this is a circle at thepoint initial.
The adaptation climatic inmatters of legislation is very
complex, and many have muchcomplex structural to receive
inversion in those sectors.
So we have to know how it ismore difficult the task of
(18:55):
return for the investionists.
And I think you said what Ishould do is that we have the
notifications that are notreally in the design, Texas.
The infrastructure is basicallyand today there are much more in
(19:15):
matters of mobilization ofcapital and responsibility
global.
There's to repensate thearchitecture financially
international to make theprocess more viable.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
Because it will start in those parties.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
For one later, we have a breach of inversion, and
for another line, we have acapital and boom.
(26:31):
There are various.
(30:31):
And a conflicto bélic woulddestroy and de construction.
SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
Claro, totally.
But some things that we have tostart prepared.
SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
And we've got that sector económic no sufrieron
tanto in países desarrollados incomparación con los países en
desarrollo, la flexibilidadfiscal.
Pero igual eso no equivale a quehay un desarrollo o ya llegaste
al frontera.
SPEAKER_01 (31:27):
El límite es el cielo y el cielo no tiene
límite. ¿Cuál es el papel realde los acuerdos de inversión y
comercio en la promoción deldesarrollo? ¿Protegen,
condicionan o permiten?
SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
Excelente pregunta, pero me gustaría dividirla en
dos (31:46):
los acuerdos comerciales y los acuerdos de inversión.
Como comenté anteriormente, losacuerdos comerciales están
regladados y tienen el organismoregulador que es la Organización
Mundial de Comercio.
Aquí los países se sometan areglas, there are processes of
(32:08):
solution of differences, aunquethose not marching actually.
There regards that the paísesahead and are.
The inversion no.
The inversion regulates at whatare the political national
inversion, or what are theaccords international or
international or according tobilateral of inversion.
(32:29):
Clark that protect the capital,clear that condition the
political, and if theynegotiate, they are an
instrument to help the pain inthe room.
But what in an university ofmore than 3,000 accords,
international, bilateral ofinversion, the many are of
(32:49):
generation antiguas.
And this has connected to agreat number of litigious and
the inversionists.
These are accords betweeninversionists and the majority
(33:11):
of the litigious perjudices indesign.
(34:08):
In UNTA, we have a lider in thisappearing to transform the
antiguous, the tratam of viewand new generation.
Then we include more inprocesses regionales, for
example, in the AccordingContinental Regional de Africa,
(34:28):
we have apoyed for that sean notonly the capital of inversion in
the tratam of libre commercial,but also the accord that the
pain firm.
(35:10):
Oh Dios means that.
And the existier eraaspiracional, no era binding.
Era una promesa, sí, solamentepara cotejar una.
Entonces, si comparamos con losacuerdos de comercio que tienen
(35:30):
capítulo de inversión, capítulode medio ambiente, capítulo de.
Igual aquí no es fácil tener unmecanismo para identificar
mecanismos de protección, porejemplo, para grupos vulnerables
y demás.
Pero sí está comprobado in theliterature that if these
acuerdos se negocian bien, tantode comercio como de inversión,
(35:52):
son un instrumento dedesarrollo, porque tú estás in
un mundo complejo con reglas,because recuerda que tienes que
dar tu tratamiento, siguiendolas reglas de la OMC, there are
muchas violaciones.
Entonces, un instrumento that isan instrument of redistribution
(36:13):
entre the países firm, entre thesociety, and not the destruction
of the commercial.
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
And I don't know if you're probably seeing because
it invirts in a mother, itmultiplicates more.
SPEAKER_03 (37:09):
Exactly.
And the point is the mentalityinclusive, not only in the
decisions gerencial, but alsothe capital productive.
(37:34):
The OMC, the Centre de ComercioInternational, have studies
about this, the effectomultiplicador de la mujer como
comunidad productiva.
Sí, es hermoso.
SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
Nosotros creamos una selva de una matita.
Totalmente, totalmente.
La inversión in transiciónenergética is clave, que ya
(38:06):
hemos hablado in vario.
Pero, ¿cómo evitar que ese boomverde genere nuevas
desigualdades?
SPEAKER_03 (38:15):
Es una realidad, and there are various acá.
Uno es lo que es lainfraestructura básica y el
acceso a energia.
Estamos hablando de unatransición energética, de lo que
los países se han comprometido através de la Conferencia de las
Party, a una transiciónenergética, un equilibrio, ya
sea para 2025, 2030, 2050.
(38:37):
Sin embargo, tenemos querecordar que hay muchos países
que no tienen acceso básico a laenergía, no tienen
infraestructura básica.
Entonces, aquí lo que es unalimitation se puede convertir in
una opportunity para lo quesería un lipfrog, un brinco
toque a energy limpia.
(38:59):
But it necessites recursive, asI said anterior.
Other things is the exploitationof the recursos básicos,
asigualdad in the access to thetechnology and the access to the
recursos perpetuate designsexisting.
(39:34):
But it's a vehicle if we havethe pain in design to
conversation in the mesa ofnegotiation with an
inversionista or a bank regionalwho prove the capacity technique
that felt in the pace.
(40:05):
For example, when we see thestudio of the transient
energetic and the inversion, wehave that if there is a
participation of the study,because recuerda that much are
public, the energy, the agua,some public.
If we have a participation ofthe study, we have the
(40:26):
participation of the sectorprivate, a bank regional or the
bank, or the initiative of apain like China, the Ruta of the
Seda and the other, this wouldreduce the cost of the capital
of the pain at 40%.
(40:46):
And it's a thing that we have totrack at the mesa because it has
demonstrated that if it has aform that benefits the parties
involved, beneficial to the pacein defense.
(41:10):
Recently, we have variousministers of the mediocre,
including the RepublicDominicana, and the conversation
with the community is importantbecause you will cambiar a form
of being.
(43:26):
After it subestimes the qualityof the recursive technical
local, it's an error.
(44:17):
And it's real, for example, fordark events.
And also all the sovereignpeople with people, with
professors of the university,trying to enter what is the
reality and what will affectevery member of the Republic
Dominicana.
(44:45):
But this is for beneficialindividual is a great mito,
because when you are here indormio, various noches, what you
say is how my país, why theleaders of turn would take the
cara to the pace, that the painperfect in matter economic, in
matter social, in matter.
(45:47):
But you are economista, verypragmatically, and the
accordance commercial arenecessary to organization the
commercial.
And as regards, the form inwhich we are and evolution.
(46:20):
And for example, in thecondition actually trying to
rescind the reglass, it mantiesthe pacifier, a fina lecture of
all the implications, becausethe política comercial is
solamente un arancel.
SPEAKER_01 (47:12):
Seguimos siendo subrepresentados orescuchadas?
SPEAKER_03 (47:17):
Las dos.
Pero no solamente in thepolitical inversion.
Las mujeres in the economy are aminority.
In the economy, in the academia,we are a group minority.
But as we discussed anterior, ithas demonstrated that the
mujeres are measures, and moreinclusive.
(47:42):
And it doesn't say that noulas.
(48:14):
And the person who was alone ofme had a cellular and said, I
was in Google because I'm inthis panel.
No.
In the middle of the panel.
(48:37):
When I saw the escalator and allthe photos of all the homes.
And I think that the people canhave a tour of their ego.
In terms of liderism, Ginebra isthe exception.
(48:59):
But in matters of inversion, itis a thing important because
they have studied much the thingabout how the roles and how the
norms condition.
For example, in the studies thatwe've had in societies with
norms cultural, for example,with certain religions.
(49:21):
We have colleagues of the BankMundial.
If you had a member in agerential, there was more
employee of the people becausethey went more comfortable to
work with this.
(49:45):
In the case of Costa Rica, forexample, if a student, if a man
who travels in a multinational,no penalizes when you go to the
sector national to work.
So you try this conventionalmultinational and garantizes
anything.
In many ways, the sector localpages are the sector
multinational.
(50:11):
One thing that we're that if theorigin of the multinacional does
compensay, what they sayincentives to the empresa to
comporten in the pace that ellosinvierted, why else they
comported in the pace of origin.
Inviertes in Brazil.
(50:57):
The responsibility of the matrixof the inversion, incentives,
because there are muchviolations of the normal labor,
of the normas social in the paysthat they invierten.
SPEAKER_01 (51:38):
And you know, after the carried of a mujer when
there is hijab, and muchrecupera.
And this depends on thepolitical that exists in the
país that seems to be the niche.
(52:22):
And you can go to the world thatyou have to do.
SPEAKER_03 (52:48):
But for example, that's what we have tried to
study cup of study.
(53:33):
And an study in Africa, in zonasfrancas, and you learn a loss,
and it was important to have apolitical manual of desperities,
of a ultimate, when she said thepreguntable, the ultimate
priority was if there was aguarder, a crush, or if there
(53:55):
was a license of maternity.
This was the ultimate priorityin the list.
And these are an area where youthink we have a contribution in
the UN of no, I mean there'sdifferent sectors, the sector
manufacturer in families thatdepend on the manufacturer, and
that the three parts of theorder.
The technology, for example,during COVID, there are
(54:20):
economies where the members, forthings religious, no, no, and
the idea of a platform digitalaudit that they have processes,
the impost.
(54:40):
Or example who have zonesmontagnos very left, that don't
display the PYME or thegovernment central in this
province have platforms digitalthat would communicate with the
government central.
(55:02):
But not taking a computationconnect to your matrix, or to
pay your impost, or pay theelectricity of your negotiation
in line has a difference.
(55:27):
No, because there are placesthat the home don't have a file
with the homes.
They don't have the social thatin other economies.
(57:05):
And the relation between thesector public, the sector
private, the universities, issomething that you have in
Finlandia, the engineers, thestreet between universities and
the systems of innovative.
(58:44):
I was regressing from aconference international
organization, the one of theAcademy of Negocios
International, and we have apanel of cómo puedes relation
the investigation with thepolitical public.
(59:22):
And when this is the man withthe government, it's a
situation-ganador, win-win.
I was in my ONU, which was atravel of the Institute of the
ONU, the UNU Wider.
(01:00:01):
In UNTAT, for example, I did aproject on how to integrate the
political commercial in theplans of disorder.
And the principal and the fine,the design and the
implementation, we had theministers, with the academia,
and we co-created a product witha mechanism of coordination
(01:00:23):
where the academic sentence inthe ministry and design dates.
So it's a co-creation, it's anecosystem of connectivity that
we need.
And they need those.
(01:01:45):
For example, for my information,I'm the Union of
TelecomunicacionesInternational, so the
co-creation is important.
The mediocre commercial andinversion with the OMC, the ITC.
(01:02:09):
So the collaboration isimportant.
And the pain with large indicesof innovation have demonstrated,
like Finlandia, Estonia,Irlanda, that incorporate the
academia and what are theprocesses of innovation and what
are parks of innovation, systemsof innovation is very important.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:29):
Because there's all that for the exit.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:34):
And for entrenchment, for example, one
of the recommendations of thepolitical in the packet of my
information on gender is thecollaboration between empresas
and the sector public for theformation and universities.
(01:03:07):
But we beneficial tocollaboration.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03:37):
Tienes que elegir una de las opciones que te voy a
dar.
Puedes elegir ambas o ninguna.
Si quieres justifica, si no no.
Lista.
Lista. ¿Crecimiento rápido ocrecimiento justo?
Justo. ¿Modelo económico globalo estrategia nacional?
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:57):
Estrategia nacional que complementa el global.
Ambos.
Ambos. ¿Política comercial opolítica fiscal?
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:06):
Ambas son ciemesas.
Ok.
No se puede vivir sinversiónpública transformadora o capital
privado con condiciones.
Ambas.
Totalmente.
Pobreza medida o pobrezapercibida.
Pobreza medida.
Ok. ¿Negociadora técnica o vozpolítica firme?
(01:04:27):
Ambas.
Tasa de retorno o huella social.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04:32):
Tú necesitas tasa de retorno para tener huella
social.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:35):
Una no existe sin la otra.
Inversión verde o inversiónsocial.
Ambas.
Otra hacia mesa.
Otra hacia mesa.
Finalmente, desarrollo lentopero sólido o rápido pero
desigual.
Desarrollo lento, sólido ydurable.
Bien, ahora vamos con elverdadero futurista.
(01:04:57):
Toma aquí la paleta.
Vamos a jugar el paddle.
Está inspirado en eso.
Se supone que una es de pingpong.
Sí, sí.
Y yo le puse la personalización.
El naranja, o bueno, endominicano, el mame, es
verdadero, que quiere decir quees algo que ya está pasando, que
(01:05:19):
es la realidad.
El azul es futurista, que quieredecir que es algo que va a pasar
en el futuro, o puede ser quenunca pase.
También puedes decir ambos, lopodemos decir. ¿Lista?
Sí.
Ok.
Habrá cláusulas ambientalesobligatorias en todos los
tratados de inversión.
SPEAKER_03 (01:05:38):
Lentamente, pero verdadero.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:41):
Las estadísticas oficiales serán generadas
parcialmente por sensores de IoTdesplegados en el territorio.
Verdadero.
Las consultas públicas serealizarán por aplicaciones
móviles con validaciónbiométrica.
Lentamente, pero verdaderamente.
(01:06:02):
Las agendas de inversión seránpriorizadas por modelos de
inteligencia artificial.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:09):
Entre los dos.
Entre los dos.
Toda la política pública se va abeneficiar de la inteligencia
artificial.
Totalmente.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:18):
Se usarán simulaciones digitales
multiactor para validar losescenarios de política fiscal.
Verdadero.
Verdadero.
La regulación del comerciointernacional será parcialmente
automatizada por contratosinteligentes multilaterales.
Verdadero.
(01:06:39):
Todo verdadero.
El futuro es ahora.
El futuro es ahora.
Se eliminarán los PDFs.
Uff, esos PDFs.
En reportes multilaterales, todoserá modular, navegable y
explorable.
Wishful thinking.
(01:06:59):
Futurista.
Me encanta que sea el PDF lo quesea futurista.
Las negociaciones de tratadoscomerciales serán transmitidas
por streaming con herramientasde anotación colaborativa.
SPEAKER_04 (01:07:14):
Futurista.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:15):
Me fui mirando.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:16):
Ahí sí, no, hay muchos temas delicados acá
todavía.
Confidenciales.
Confidenciales.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:24):
Habrá una moneda virtual para las transferencias
multilaterales basada enjusticia climática.
Futurista.
Y de último, habrá unaplataforma digital multilingüe
para que cualquier persona puedaentender un acuerdo comercial.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:45):
Existen los acuerdos en los idiomas oficiales, pero
una plataforma interactiva esfuturista y es bienvenida.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:53):
Sí, ¿verdad?
Sí, sí, sí.
También con los idiomas localesy demás.
Bueno, pregunta de cierre.
Ahora vamos a la reflexiónfinal.
Si tuvieras que escribir unasola recomendación, una línea
para quienes diseñan hoy lasreglas del sistema de inversión
internacional, ¿cuál sería?
SPEAKER_03 (01:08:15):
Garantizar transparencia, negocio andation
between nationales,internationales, publications,
and privates.
Transparency, cooperation.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08:28):
Transparency and cooperation.
Muchas gracias, Amela.
De verdad, it has been apleasure to have you here.
(01:09:08):
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The thing is that the inversion has recuperated in
comparison with what were thetendencies of the crisis
financier global 2007-2008.
The inversion in comparison withthe commercial global, in
comparison with the productglobal.
(00:26):
But what I preoculture is thething about the research in the
inversion in the sectorsrelation to the objectives of
design sustainable.
SPEAKER_01 (02:05):
You fucked one of the Dominican that I connected
when I was a pleasure toconversate with you.
And for those who have theprivilege of conversation,
present and how I to Swiss.
SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Much introduced my academic professional.
My great passion is theeconomic.
(02:53):
But I had an interest for themacro, and I had the honor of
conversation for entering thebank as an economist, and I
started with my students oflicense of economic.
(04:25):
But my point, my career inRepublican Dominican, Minister
of Education, I was in BankCentral.
I work the complementary betweenthe political commercial and the
(04:47):
attraction of inversion.
(05:19):
My first position was academic,what we say in academia tenure
track at the University ofSussex, the Institute of
Investigation and DesignEconomic, which I formed many
economists.
And for questions ofdestination, I saw the
Republican Dominican licensesabbatical for contribution to
(05:42):
the negotiations of the librecommercial, DRK.
I think it was a laboratory ofapprentices.
(06:45):
I entered by competence, for sixyears, lider projects of
investigation more interessant,for example, how the economies
are emerging like China, India,and South Africa, and Brazil
contributed to a requilibrationwhat is the economy global.
(07:08):
And I was my races are veryimportant in what I know.
And I prefer the reality of theinsular Islands.
SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
And the passion has been to those.
SPEAKER_03 (09:12):
No, the orgasm is me, because you are in
Inglaterra and your passion anddedication and talking about a
thing, comment with what is theprophet intellectual and actual
like the intelligenceartificial.
SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
And now we're talking about the preguntation
of material.
Amelia, you work with grandflugsof inversion and data complex,
but also with a focus on thedesign.
SPEAKER_03 (10:50):
If we are at this point, the 80% of the inversion
extrangere in the economydigital is a 10 países.
(11:59):
So there's disability regional,disability sector, and this,
when we study, there are, forexample, what is the impact in
the world, or the people asleaders, how are we contribution
in certain sectors, in certainplaces.
(12:35):
And it's the reality, thedifference between the
objectives of design and whatwas the agenda of reduction of
the power.
(13:25):
The inversion is an instrumentredistributive because they
train recurs that no tiens.
Sabemos que the pain in design,the mayor, don't have the
capacity of general recursiveinternal.
(14:31):
Se hace al principio y son másriesgosos porque muchas veces
están protegidas por lalegislación nacional o son
recursos escasos o recursosprotegidos.
Entonces ahí es que viene lacomplejidad de lo que es la
política nacional y la políticainternacional.
Recuerda que la inversión notiene una casa como la
(14:51):
Organización Mundial delComercio.
Andrew is más peligroso, peropodemos volver a este tema.
El punto es que losinversionistas cancer un market
macroeconomically establecido inthe pain where they invierten,
no tener, verlo, porque it's aprocess exogen to else.
(15:21):
You have cases where they havethe recursion natural, but no
one are the engineers, theeconomists who can live, design,
implement the project ofinversion.
SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
Okay.
Dirigtion that alimentable WorldInvestment Report.
SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
The thing is that the inversion has recuperated in
comparison with what were thetendencies of the crisis
financier global 2007-2008.
The inversion was in comparisonwith the commercial global, in
comparison with the productglobal.
(16:19):
But what I prefer is the thingabout the research and the
inversion in the sectors relatedto the objective of sustainable.
(17:39):
Está más lejos mayor.
Los recursos que se necesitanpara alcanzar los objetivos de
desarrollo sostenible son más.
Entonces, aquí hay dos temas.
Uno es que las necesidades hanaumentado, han aumentado por los
cambios climáticos, por lasguerras, por los conflictos
bélicos, andient that notattained.
(18:33):
And this is a circle at thepoint initial.
The adaptation climatic inmatters of legislation is very
complex, and many have muchcomplex structural to receive
inversion in those sectors.
So we have to know how it ismore difficult the task of
(18:55):
return for the investionists.
And I think you said what Ishould do is that we have the
notifications that are notreally in the design, Texas.
The infrastructure is basicallyand today there are much more in
(19:15):
matters of mobilization ofcapital and responsibility
global.
There's to repensate thearchitecture financially
international to make theprocess more viable.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
Because it will start in those parties.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
For one later, we have a breach of inversion, and
for another line, we have acapital and boom.
(26:31):
There are various.
(30:31):
And a conflicto bélic woulddestroy and de construction.
SPEAKER_01 (30:38):
Claro, totally.
But some things that we have tostart prepared.
SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
And we've got that sector económic no sufrieron
tanto in países desarrollados incomparación con los países en
desarrollo, la flexibilidadfiscal.
Pero igual eso no equivale a quehay un desarrollo o ya llegaste
al frontera.
SPEAKER_01 (31:27):
El límite es el cielo y el cielo no tiene
límite. ¿Cuál es el papel realde los acuerdos de inversión y
comercio en la promoción deldesarrollo? ¿Protegen,
condicionan o permiten?
SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
Excelente pregunta, pero me gustaría dividirla en
dos (31:46):
los acuerdos comerciales y los acuerdos de inversión.
Como comenté anteriormente, losacuerdos comerciales están
regladados y tienen el organismoregulador que es la Organización
Mundial de Comercio.
Aquí los países se sometan areglas, there are processes of
(32:08):
solution of differences, aunquethose not marching actually.
There regards that the paísesahead and are.
The inversion no.
The inversion regulates at whatare the political national
inversion, or what are theaccords international or
international or according tobilateral of inversion.
(32:29):
Clark that protect the capital,clear that condition the
political, and if theynegotiate, they are an
instrument to help the pain inthe room.
But what in an university ofmore than 3,000 accords,
international, bilateral ofinversion, the many are of
(32:49):
generation antiguas.
And this has connected to agreat number of litigious and
the inversionists.
These are accords betweeninversionists and the majority
(33:11):
of the litigious perjudices indesign.
(34:08):
In UNTA, we have a lider in thisappearing to transform the
antiguous, the tratam of viewand new generation.
Then we include more inprocesses regionales, for
example, in the AccordingContinental Regional de Africa,
(34:28):
we have apoyed for that sean notonly the capital of inversion in
the tratam of libre commercial,but also the accord that the
pain firm.
(35:10):
Oh Dios means that.
And the existier eraaspiracional, no era binding.
Era una promesa, sí, solamentepara cotejar una.
Entonces, si comparamos con losacuerdos de comercio que tienen
(35:30):
capítulo de inversión, capítulode medio ambiente, capítulo de.
Igual aquí no es fácil tener unmecanismo para identificar
mecanismos de protección, porejemplo, para grupos vulnerables
y demás.
Pero sí está comprobado in theliterature that if these
acuerdos se negocian bien, tantode comercio como de inversión,
(35:52):
son un instrumento dedesarrollo, porque tú estás in
un mundo complejo con reglas,because recuerda que tienes que
dar tu tratamiento, siguiendolas reglas de la OMC, there are
muchas violaciones.
Entonces, un instrumento that isan instrument of redistribution
(36:13):
entre the países firm, entre thesociety, and not the destruction
of the commercial.
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
And I don't know if you're probably seeing because
it invirts in a mother, itmultiplicates more.
SPEAKER_03 (37:09):
Exactly.
And the point is the mentalityinclusive, not only in the
decisions gerencial, but alsothe capital productive.
(37:34):
The OMC, the Centre de ComercioInternational, have studies
about this, the effectomultiplicador de la mujer como
comunidad productiva.
Sí, es hermoso.
SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
Nosotros creamos una selva de una matita.
Totalmente, totalmente.
La inversión in transiciónenergética is clave, que ya
(38:06):
hemos hablado in vario.
Pero, ¿cómo evitar que ese boomverde genere nuevas
desigualdades?
SPEAKER_03 (38:15):
Es una realidad, and there are various acá.
Uno es lo que es lainfraestructura básica y el
acceso a energia.
Estamos hablando de unatransición energética, de lo que
los países se han comprometido através de la Conferencia de las
Party, a una transiciónenergética, un equilibrio, ya
sea para 2025, 2030, 2050.
(38:37):
Sin embargo, tenemos querecordar que hay muchos países
que no tienen acceso básico a laenergía, no tienen
infraestructura básica.
Entonces, aquí lo que es unalimitation se puede convertir in
una opportunity para lo quesería un lipfrog, un brinco
toque a energy limpia.
(38:59):
But it necessites recursive, asI said anterior.
Other things is the exploitationof the recursos básicos,
asigualdad in the access to thetechnology and the access to the
recursos perpetuate designsexisting.
(39:34):
But it's a vehicle if we havethe pain in design to
conversation in the mesa ofnegotiation with an
inversionista or a bank regionalwho prove the capacity technique
that felt in the pace.
(40:05):
For example, when we see thestudio of the transient
energetic and the inversion, wehave that if there is a
participation of the study,because recuerda that much are
public, the energy, the agua,some public.
If we have a participation ofthe study, we have the
(40:26):
participation of the sectorprivate, a bank regional or the
bank, or the initiative of apain like China, the Ruta of the
Seda and the other, this wouldreduce the cost of the capital
of the pain at 40%.
(40:46):
And it's a thing that we have totrack at the mesa because it has
demonstrated that if it has aform that benefits the parties
involved, beneficial to the pacein defense.
(41:10):
Recently, we have variousministers of the mediocre,
including the RepublicDominicana, and the conversation
with the community is importantbecause you will cambiar a form
of being.
(43:26):
After it subestimes the qualityof the recursive technical
local, it's an error.
(44:17):
And it's real, for example, fordark events.
And also all the sovereignpeople with people, with
professors of the university,trying to enter what is the
reality and what will affectevery member of the Republic
Dominicana.
(44:45):
But this is for beneficialindividual is a great mito,
because when you are here indormio, various noches, what you
say is how my país, why theleaders of turn would take the
cara to the pace, that the painperfect in matter economic, in
matter social, in matter.
(45:47):
But you are economista, verypragmatically, and the
accordance commercial arenecessary to organization the
commercial.
And as regards, the form inwhich we are and evolution.
(46:20):
And for example, in thecondition actually trying to
rescind the reglass, it mantiesthe pacifier, a fina lecture of
all the implications, becausethe política comercial is
solamente un arancel.
SPEAKER_01 (47:12):
Seguimos siendo subrepresentados orescuchadas?
SPEAKER_03 (47:17):
Las dos.
Pero no solamente in thepolitical inversion.
Las mujeres in the economy are aminority.
In the economy, in the academia,we are a group minority.
But as we discussed anterior, ithas demonstrated that the
mujeres are measures, and moreinclusive.
(47:42):
And it doesn't say that noulas.
(48:14):
And the person who was alone ofme had a cellular and said, I
was in Google because I'm inthis panel.
No.
In the middle of the panel.
(48:37):
When I saw the escalator and allthe photos of all the homes.
And I think that the people canhave a tour of their ego.
In terms of liderism, Ginebra isthe exception.
(48:59):
But in matters of inversion, itis a thing important because
they have studied much the thingabout how the roles and how the
norms condition.
For example, in the studies thatwe've had in societies with
norms cultural, for example,with certain religions.
(49:21):
We have colleagues of the BankMundial.
If you had a member in agerential, there was more
employee of the people becausethey went more comfortable to
work with this.
(49:45):
In the case of Costa Rica, forexample, if a student, if a man
who travels in a multinational,no penalizes when you go to the
sector national to work.
So you try this conventionalmultinational and garantizes
anything.
In many ways, the sector localpages are the sector
multinational.
(50:11):
One thing that we're that if theorigin of the multinacional does
compensay, what they sayincentives to the empresa to
comporten in the pace that ellosinvierted, why else they
comported in the pace of origin.
Inviertes in Brazil.
(50:57):
The responsibility of the matrixof the inversion, incentives,
because there are muchviolations of the normal labor,
of the normas social in the paysthat they invierten.
SPEAKER_01 (51:38):
And you know, after the carried of a mujer when
there is hijab, and muchrecupera.
And this depends on thepolitical that exists in the
país that seems to be the niche.
(52:22):
And you can go to the world thatyou have to do.
SPEAKER_03 (52:48):
But for example, that's what we have tried to
study cup of study.
(53:33):
And an study in Africa, in zonasfrancas, and you learn a loss,
and it was important to have apolitical manual of desperities,
of a ultimate, when she said thepreguntable, the ultimate
priority was if there was aguarder, a crush, or if there
(53:55):
was a license of maternity.
This was the ultimate priorityin the list.
And these are an area where youthink we have a contribution in
the UN of no, I mean there'sdifferent sectors, the sector
manufacturer in families thatdepend on the manufacturer, and
that the three parts of theorder.
The technology, for example,during COVID, there are
(54:20):
economies where the members, forthings religious, no, no, and
the idea of a platform digitalaudit that they have processes,
the impost.
(54:40):
Or example who have zonesmontagnos very left, that don't
display the PYME or thegovernment central in this
province have platforms digitalthat would communicate with the
government central.
(55:02):
But not taking a computationconnect to your matrix, or to
pay your impost, or pay theelectricity of your negotiation
in line has a difference.
(55:27):
No, because there are placesthat the home don't have a file
with the homes.
They don't have the social thatin other economies.
(57:05):
And the relation between thesector public, the sector
private, the universities, issomething that you have in
Finlandia, the engineers, thestreet between universities and
the systems of innovative.
(58:44):
I was regressing from aconference international
organization, the one of theAcademy of Negocios
International, and we have apanel of cómo puedes relation
the investigation with thepolitical public.
(59:22):
And when this is the man withthe government, it's a
situation-ganador, win-win.
I was in my ONU, which was atravel of the Institute of the
ONU, the UNU Wider.
(01:00:01):
In UNTAT, for example, I did aproject on how to integrate the
political commercial in theplans of disorder.
And the principal and the fine,the design and the
implementation, we had theministers, with the academia,
and we co-created a product witha mechanism of coordination
(01:00:23):
where the academic sentence inthe ministry and design dates.
So it's a co-creation, it's anecosystem of connectivity that
we need.
And they need those.
(01:01:45):
For example, for my information,I'm the Union of
TelecomunicacionesInternational, so the
co-creation is important.
The mediocre commercial andinversion with the OMC, the ITC.
(01:02:09):
So the collaboration isimportant.
And the pain with large indicesof innovation have demonstrated,
like Finlandia, Estonia,Irlanda, that incorporate the
academia and what are theprocesses of innovation and what
are parks of innovation, systemsof innovation is very important.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:29):
Because there's all that for the exit.
SPEAKER_03 (01:02:34):
And for entrenchment, for example, one
of the recommendations of thepolitical in the packet of my
information on gender is thecollaboration between empresas
and the sector public for theformation and universities.
(01:03:07):
But we beneficial tocollaboration.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03:37):
Tienes que elegir una de las opciones que te voy a
dar.
Puedes elegir ambas o ninguna.
Si quieres justifica, si no no.
Lista.
Lista. ¿Crecimiento rápido ocrecimiento justo?
Justo. ¿Modelo económico globalo estrategia nacional?
SPEAKER_03 (01:03:57):
Estrategia nacional que complementa el global.
Ambos.
Ambos. ¿Política comercial opolítica fiscal?
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:06):
Ambas son ciemesas.
Ok.
No se puede vivir sinversiónpública transformadora o capital
privado con condiciones.
Ambas.
Totalmente.
Pobreza medida o pobrezapercibida.
Pobreza medida.
Ok. ¿Negociadora técnica o vozpolítica firme?
(01:04:27):
Ambas.
Tasa de retorno o huella social.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04:32):
Tú necesitas tasa de retorno para tener huella
social.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:35):
Una no existe sin la otra.
Inversión verde o inversiónsocial.
Ambas.
Otra hacia mesa.
Otra hacia mesa.
Finalmente, desarrollo lentopero sólido o rápido pero
desigual.
Desarrollo lento, sólido ydurable.
Bien, ahora vamos con elverdadero futurista.
(01:04:57):
Toma aquí la paleta.
Vamos a jugar el paddle.
Está inspirado en eso.
Se supone que una es de pingpong.
Sí, sí.
Y yo le puse la personalización.
El naranja, o bueno, endominicano, el mame, es
verdadero, que quiere decir quees algo que ya está pasando, que
(01:05:19):
es la realidad.
El azul es futurista, que quieredecir que es algo que va a pasar
en el futuro, o puede ser quenunca pase.
También puedes decir ambos, lopodemos decir. ¿Lista?
Sí.
Ok.
Habrá cláusulas ambientalesobligatorias en todos los
tratados de inversión.
SPEAKER_03 (01:05:38):
Lentamente, pero verdadero.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:41):
Las estadísticas oficiales serán generadas
parcialmente por sensores de IoTdesplegados en el territorio.
Verdadero.
Las consultas públicas serealizarán por aplicaciones
móviles con validaciónbiométrica.
Lentamente, pero verdaderamente.
(01:06:02):
Las agendas de inversión seránpriorizadas por modelos de
inteligencia artificial.
SPEAKER_03 (01:06:09):
Entre los dos.
Entre los dos.
Toda la política pública se va abeneficiar de la inteligencia
artificial.
Totalmente.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:18):
Se usarán simulaciones digitales
multiactor para validar losescenarios de política fiscal.
Verdadero.
Verdadero.
La regulación del comerciointernacional será parcialmente
automatizada por contratosinteligentes multilaterales.
Verdadero.
(01:06:39):
Todo verdadero.
El futuro es ahora.
El futuro es ahora.
Se eliminarán los PDFs.
Uff, esos PDFs.
En reportes multilaterales, todoserá modular, navegable y
explorable.
Wishful thinking.
(01:06:59):
Futurista.
Me encanta que sea el PDF lo quesea futurista.
Las negociaciones de tratadoscomerciales serán transmitidas
por streaming con herramientasde anotación colaborativa.
SPEAKER_04 (01:07:14):
Futurista.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:15):
Me fui mirando.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:16):
Ahí sí, no, hay muchos temas delicados acá
todavía.
Confidenciales.
Confidenciales.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:24):
Habrá una moneda virtual para las transferencias
multilaterales basada enjusticia climática.
Futurista.
Y de último, habrá unaplataforma digital multilingüe
para que cualquier persona puedaentender un acuerdo comercial.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:45):
Existen los acuerdos en los idiomas oficiales, pero
una plataforma interactiva esfuturista y es bienvenida.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07:53):
Sí, ¿verdad?
Sí, sí, sí.
También con los idiomas localesy demás.
Bueno, pregunta de cierre.
Ahora vamos a la reflexiónfinal.
Si tuvieras que escribir unasola recomendación, una línea
para quienes diseñan hoy lasreglas del sistema de inversión
internacional, ¿cuál sería?
SPEAKER_03 (01:08:15):
Garantizar transparencia, negocio andation
between nationales,internationales, publications,
and privates.
Transparency, cooperation.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08:28):
Transparency and cooperation.
Muchas gracias, Amela.
De verdad, it has been apleasure to have you here.
(01:09:08):
We escuchamos in the episode ofIntangible, where the
preguntation is an herrame forentertainment this movement that
we compartimos.
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Intangible Law.
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