Ep. #920: Declassification Wars w/ Ryan Gable & Christopher Jordan

CIA officer James Erdman III testified before a U.S. Senate committee that the intelligence community obstructed efforts by the Director's Initiatives Group to review and declassify records tied to COVID-19, MK-Ultra, UAP, political assassinations, anomalous health incidents and domestic surveillance. He alleged that files were seized and that members were monitored and retaliated against. Jeremy breaks down these startling claims and their far-reaching implications with Ryan Gable and Christopher Jordan along with the disturbing history of secret government programs that have treated unwitting citizens as human test subjects.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Nor.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
Well see what happens when you step away for a
few days now. Of course, I was on the air
Friday from Mcminnimon's UFO Fest, and what a blast we
had out there in mcmonville, as expected. But right as
I was leaving town to head out there, oh boys,

(01:26):
stuff was pomping all over the place. Well, it's next
week already, and now we can discuss it on the program.
Somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal. I'm Jeremy Scott.
It is good to have you with us. So much
has happened since we last spoke. I'm back. I had

(01:47):
a blast at Mcminnimon's. Really got a chance to enjoy
that event more than I have in the past. Not
that it wasn't as good in the past, but I
just had more time to enjoy it, and so I
did just that. It was great to a meet and
greet with those of you out there, those of you
who have been listening to the program for some time,
and met some new friends as well. And I was

(02:10):
reading some stuff as I was getting ready for the broadcast.
It was a Thursday night, and I was just looking
over some notes getting ready for the broadcast on Friday,
and seeing what was popping and going, ooh, I got
to do a show on this. Well, government transparency has

(02:31):
been obstructed by the CIA. You don't say, I do say. Actually,
a CIA officer said just that and so much more
at a hearing last week breaking as we hit the road.
In fact, was James Erdman, the third, a senior operations

(02:53):
officer at the Central Intelligence Agency, who appeared during a
hearing held by this Senate Committee on Homeland Security and
Governmental Affairs called Whistleblower Testimony on the COVID cover up. So,
you know, going in, we're just expecting that something might

(03:14):
happen on the front of the origins of the coronavirus
COVID nineteen. You know, the banned words that we couldn't
say couldn't type. Not too many years ago.

Speaker 7 (03:28):
I am a career CIA operations officer, and as you mentioned,
I was on joint duty assignment at the Office of
Director National Intelligence, Director's Initiatives Group or the DIG between
March twenty twenty five and April twenty twenty six. I
was responsible for leading the DIGS investigation into COVID origins,

(03:48):
anomalist health incidents, and unidentified anomalist phenomenon.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
Okay, so again, going in, we think we're going to
hear about specifically the origins of the coronavirus and whether
or not there was a cover up and Pauci might
be responsible for that. And we're going to hear more
of the statements throughout the show. But here's a quick

(04:14):
summary of mister Erdman alleged that the CIA and elements
of the intelligence community obstructed transparency efforts ordered by the
Trump administration through the Director's Initiatives Group DIG or. Dig
IT was a task force created just over a year

(04:35):
ago by the Director of National Intelligence Dulcy Gabbard. The
DIG was tasked with reviewing and declassifying information as he mentioned,
related to COVID nineteen, but also MK ultra domestic surveillance,
anomalous health incidents jfkrfk MLK assassinations, UAP, or what was

(05:01):
known as UFOs not too long ago. But you see,
there was a problem. Members began facing resistance from intelligence
agencies that allegedly withheld documents, denied access to information, monitored personnel,

(05:23):
and even retaliated against those involved in the investigations. Surprise,
or maybe not so much if you know your history.
Erdman particularly focused on claims surrounding the origins of COVID nineteen,
alleging that intelligence assessments were biased towards the natural origin explanation,

(05:46):
while evidence supporting a possible lab leak was minimized or ignored.
In fact, well, I want you to hear it, so
you don't just accuse me of saying, well, he didn't
really say that, you're just saying he said that. No,
here's what actually Erdman had to say about doctor Anthony

(06:07):
Fauci in his role in all this.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Doctor Fauci's role in the cover up was intentional. Doctor
Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his
position to ensure the ICE consulted with a conflicted list
of curated subject matter experts, public health officials, and scientists.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Okay, he is saying that doctor Anthony Fauci covered this
up and did so intentionally, That he influenced reviews by
the intelligence community by directing analysts towards selected experts who
were tied to the government's preferred narrative, which is not

(06:54):
that this came out of a lab in Wuhan, but
that it was some other cause. He stated that scientists
connected to intelligence advisory groups, government funded research, and public
health agencies created conflicts of interests, that analysts who supported

(07:15):
the Lablik theory faced retaliation, and that CIA leadership altered
conclusions despite internal support for the assessment that the coronavirus
originated in a lab. He claimed the pandemic exposed major
failures in the intelligence communities ability to independently assess risks

(07:39):
and provide accurate analysis. But that's only the start. Erdman
also alleged that the DIG investigations into other sensitive topics,
including anomalous health incidents what you may know of as

(08:03):
Havana syndrome, and declassification efforts, including those by the Federal
Secrets Task Force headed by Chairwoman Representative and Anapoline a
Luna DG investigations were undermined. Members were monitored, they were investigated,

(08:29):
they were pressured after handling politically sensitive material files related
to the JFK assassination, MK Ultra and other classified programs
that were being processed by the Office of the Director
of National Intelligence ODNI being processed for declassification and were

(08:51):
allegedly removed apparently in the last few weeks, because mister
Erdman is saying he worked for them through the third
or fourth week in April, which would be about a
month ago when perhaps these files were taken, because it

(09:13):
would have been after they officially stopped doing the work,
if that is such a thing. You know, we can
never trust what is really going on either way. But
these files were removed again, files related to JFK and

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also to MK Ultra, the mind control program that ran
you know, secretly for some time. We'll be right back
on the program.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Into the pair of normal normal eramal.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Ara talking about the CIA whistleblower Senior Officer James Erdman
in a Senate hearing. It was him who brought the

(10:24):
information forward regarding the boxes disappearing.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
When the dig ceased operations. The CIA also took back
forty boxes of JFK files and mk ultra files being
processed for classification by D and I Gabbert all Right.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Upon hearing this, Representative Anna Paulina Luna, who requested the
documents as chair woman of the Task Force on the
Declassification of Federal Secrets, demanded the files be returned within
twenty four hours. She threatened to subpoena the CIA that
was going to hold them in contempt of Cangris wrote
a letter to CIA Director John Ratcliffe asking him to

(11:04):
preserve all evidence and posted for people to act like
the CIA doesn't have a history of destroying documents.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Is bizarro world.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Congresswoman Luna and Congressman Eric Burlison announced that they had
made a trip to the CIA. I believe this would
have been the day after the hearing to see the
files in question their words, and then Berlisen posted this
follow up. We went to deliver a message, and that
message is that this is a new era. This president

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is demanding disclosure and we wanted assurances that they are
understanding of that. And on the same page that message
was received, and we expect to be able to see
all of the files for a JFK and MK Ultra, etc.
And we await these actions. I'm grateful that the CIA
met with us so quickly, but trust is a series

(11:57):
of promises, cap So apparently at that point, the twenty
four hour threat is now off the table because the
documents weren't secured within the twenty four hours to our knowledge.
How much longer will the CIA be be given And
has the paperwork already been filed to subpoena them?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
And if they return the files, how can we even
be sure they're the same ones. Clearly, the CIA cannot
be trusted. Ode and I, though was also denying that
there was a raid or any seizure that took place.
Well after mister Erdman's testimony, Senators Ran Paul and Ron

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Johnson wrote a letter to Director Ratcliffe as a formal
notice that he should not be retaliated against for his statements.
They called the CIA's conduct deeply troubling. So having heard
all this, it's no wonder that the Task Force hearing
on MK Ultra, which was scheduled for last week, was

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canceled with about twenty four hours notice. Congresswoman Luna said
three witnesses were quote hesitant to testify as they have
legitimate concerns, no wonder. I mean, if this is how
the intelligence community carries out its business, the exact same

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thing has happened with other hearings. Oh and by the way,
witnesses are expected to pay their own way. So that's
what we're up against.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
It is a war.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
You know, while select a few push for transparency, simultaneous
to those efforts, you know, there's acts of sabotage that
are going on. It's clearly evident. And this is how
it works when you get too close to the true
things happen. We welcome out to the program tonight from
the Secret Teachings, Ryan.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Gable, who was.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
I want to get his insight on this, Ryan, what
do you make of what you've heard so far?

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Well, I thought it was a good overview so far, Jeremy,
and I want to thank you for having me back
on the show. My thoughts might differ than a lot
of the radio world that we live in, that we exist,
and that we do our shows for our audiences. I
think a lot of us live in echo chambers, and
I think a lot of us choose to live there
because it's very convenient and I don't have to really

(14:34):
think outside of the box. Let me give you an
example of why I'm skeptical of all of these stories.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I don't know if you recall this. There's a great
episode of The X Files.

Speaker 8 (14:45):
It's a two part episode where there's a guy works
at Area fifty one. You find out he's the commander
of the base and in the episode, Malder has switches.
He switches like his personality consciousness with one of the
UFO black That's a good, great episode. I love that episode.
And there's a scene right at the end where Malder

(15:06):
meets the commander of the base. He meets the general
and the general tells him the guy that runs it.
He tells him, you know, I sabotage this thing so
you could see it, this UFO, and I just wanted
you to see it. I didn't want anybody to get hurt.
I didn't want anything else to happen. But then he
looks at Malder and says, do UFOs exist? Mister Malder,
the guy that runs Area fifty one in the in

(15:28):
the show, doesn't know, if you know, if if the
one really has alien craft. He's unaware of that, and
that speaks to several things. It speaks to, one, the
compartmentalization of the military and of the government, but it
also speaks to a long running theory or argument made
in sort of the more maybe skeptical or neutral part

(15:50):
of the UFO community, and that is that we're not
really sure if the government actually does know anything. What
if the government doesn't know anything, and what if when
we say the government, we are only talking about a
handful of individuals, defense contractors, a handful of people maybe
who were briefed on something that you know otherwise members
of Congress might not be briefed on. And it's not

(16:12):
many people that know what's going on. And so if
you look at someone like an Annapaulina Luna, and this
plays into the MK ultra stuff, covid et cetera. I'm
just setting up this as an example. You look at
people like Anapoulinea Luna, and I think I mentioned this
last time I was on the show. She is inspired
by a lot of the Secret Space Program Galactic Federation

(16:34):
UFO kind of cult movement, the same one that inspired
that Israeli security chief after he retired, who went onto
the Internet, according to his daughter, and started learning about
the Galactic Federation from Ian FU shed, that's right. So
if the people that are leading the charge in this
case for UFOs to get disclosure are being inspired by

(16:58):
things that are in the case of the secret space
program has in large part been admitted in a deposition
to be fake. People that have lied about in the
case of having knowledge of something relating to Eisenhower's contact
with aliens, people who have lied about their identity and
their relationship and their name with the Eisenhower family. How

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do we exactly trust that these people are not just
high level they got elected versions of UFO conference speakers
who go on the circuit and don't really have any
evidence of anything and except the only difference is these
people have access somewhat to government institutions and they can
move some pieces around, but nothing ultimately comes of it.

(17:44):
So I think, Jeremy, ultimately what we're looking at here
is I've noticed this trend, this pattern, whether it's about war,
or it's about politics, or it's about UFOs, or it's
about MK Ultra or JFK or Jeffrey Epstein, and the
pattern goes like this. We are consistently and constantly told
that the situation in Iran began in nineteen seventy nine.

(18:06):
It didn't. It did not begin with the Islamic Revolution.
There was a revolution because of some pre curse or
some pre reasoning why, and that would have been the
nineteen fifty three overthrow of Mosadec because of the nationalizing
of the Iranian oil fields. So it started at least
two decades before that. We see the same thing with Gaza.

(18:27):
It started in twenty twenty three. No, it started even
before nineteen forty eight. It started in the thirties when
a bunch of Israeli terrorist groups started even killing British
soldiers who had basically authorized and given them access to
the land that they took possession of. It started a
long time ago. We see this with UFOs. It started

(18:48):
in twenty seventeen. Maybe some of the videos go back
to the early two thousands. And then they released the
so called UFO UAP files NASA, Department of War, Department
of Defense, and it's just stuff about FOO fighters. It's
nothing new, but they painted this image that some of
the stuff in those files was actually from like the
last five to ten years. Painted this image that it

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really started with the exposure in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
No it didn't.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
And the same thing with mk Ultra. We had the
church hearings in the seventies, So why are we having
more hearings on this when we already learned about m
k Ultra fifty years ago.

Speaker 6 (19:21):
We'll continue with Ryan Gable of the Secret Teachings today,
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Speaker 7 (20:59):
I am a Careera operations officer home, and as you mentioned,
I was on joint Duny assignment at the Office of
Director National Intelligence Director's Initiatives or that DIG between March
twenty twenty five and April twenty twenty six.

Speaker 8 (21:14):
Yeah, Whistler James earned for the third testifying that the
CIA files relating to the assassination of the old President
Kennedy and also about the.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
MK Ultra program.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
I was responsible for leading the dag's investigation into COVID origins,
anomalist health incidents, and unidentified anomalist phenomena.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
The CIA famously has said that you know, all documents
were released and other documents had been destroyed.

Speaker 7 (21:37):
The CIA also took back forty boxes of JFK files
and MK Ultra files being processed with DECLAP classification by
d and I GAP.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Including in the agency.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
Just twenty four hours to.

Speaker 10 (21:48):
Recruiting files taken from the Director of National Intelligence Tolsey
Cambert's office.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Whether it's unexplained, were just playing strange zick is your
kind of into the fair of normal.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
One agency going into another, taking the files and running
right the JFK files at MK Ultra. What don't they
want us to know? And what else has been seized, destroyed, altered?
Talking about the declassification wars tonight, Ryan Gable of the
Secret Teachings is with us, You were talking a little

(22:25):
bit about a cycle earlier, and in fact fifty years ago,
the hearings in MK into MK Ultra. I think there
was another hearing in the nineties as well, And so
we have a situation where every so often this comes
back up. But do we learn anything more that we

(22:45):
didn't already know? That's the question.

Speaker 8 (22:48):
Well, obviously, because they canceled or delayed the recent hearings,
we haven't learned anything new. We already know. We haven't
learned anything new about the UFO UAP story. Although some
people have learned something new. You know, a lot of
the public has never heard of stuff like this, or
they've always thought that it was some kind of fringe conspiracy,
and so because of that, I think the general public

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might find it intriguing or interesting. Even some of the
people that listen to shows like this might find it
to be a revelatory. But a lot of this stuff,
whether it's the story about Iran, or about Gaza or
UFOs or mk Ultra or even JFK files, we were
told that reportedly back in March, all of those were released,

(23:33):
and there were already millions of them that were available
publicly declassified, and now they've released what eighty thousand more
and they claim that's all the files, but there's actually
still more files, apparently because the CIA confiscated them. It's
the same thing with Epstein files. We were told that
they didn't exist, but they do exist, but there are
a hoax, but they're not a hoax. They're on the

(23:53):
desk of Pamboni, then they're not, then they're released, and
there's actually still several millions.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
You know what today I saw in exchange somebody says,
I don't know what you mean by the Epstein investigation.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
Yeah, it's just it feels like a big game, is
what it feels like. But the general public, you know,
a lot of this stuff is new So it kind
of in my assessment, Jeremy, it kind of conditions the
public to see that, Okay, there are conspiracies, there are
strange things, There are horrible criminal acts. There are things

(24:26):
that are also implied by all of this that isn't
necessarily directly stated in one file or another. But even
when you read the files, whatever the files are on
any of this stuff, you know, you read the UFO files,
it's like foo fighters. We knew that back in the
thirties and forties. When you read the Epstein stuff, a
lot of it is not what people have made it
out to be. Things are taken out of context, things

(24:48):
are miss misrepresented, and so kind of like with what
the President said in regard to UFO files, he said
that you can make up your mind on this yourself.
You can see what's in them, and you can decide.
I mean, I'm scratching my head to figure out to
remember if we've ever been told collectively to just figure
something out on our own. Because this is the same

(25:11):
White House and the same government across both political aisles
that told us not to think for ourselves on the
origins of COVID. They're the ones that told us not
to think for ourselves on pretty much everything else I've mentioned,
whether it's Iran or Gaza or.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
You name it.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
So I'm confused why the UFO subject in particular is
a you figure this out for yourself, but don't think
for yourself on anything else. It just feels like a
psychological game. And I want to I want to make
this point very clear. I'm not suggesting that this is
some kind of grand conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I don't believe that.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
I think it's a lot of moving parts and a
lot of people with their own definitions of what say
disclosure is or what released the files means, etc. What
I think this is is I think that this ties
into people like Jadie Vance, and I think it ties
into partly it ties into Israel, but I think it
ties into an under current, kind of an underground black

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market of conspiracy, if you will. And what that underground
market is is the philosophy of somebody named Curtis Jarvin.
I don't know if you ever heard that name before.
Have you ever heard of Curtis Jarvin? No, Curtis Jarvin
is well, they classify him as many things. He's like
an online blogger slash political commentator, he's by his own definition.

(26:42):
He calls himself a dark elf. And people might think
I'm making this upper, I'm joking, but I'm not making
this upper joking. The New Yorker and other main public,
mainline publications have written articles about him. They call him
a reactionary blogger at the New Yorker, but they say
that he has a plot to destroy America. And his

(27:03):
plot to destroy America is precisely what we're talking about.
His plot to destroy America included Doge. Remember Doge, Oh,
We're going to expose the money that's being wasted on
stupid things. And then nothing actually ever really came of it.
Nobody got any kind of we were supposed to get
some kind of check or something for the money that

(27:23):
was wasted, and none of that ever transpired, and people,
I think just forgot about it.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
But what did Doge do?

Speaker 8 (27:30):
It confirmed to some people, like, yeah, there's waste, but
it also confirmed to the general public that our government's
a mess, and it doesn't really matter if they're left
wing or right wing. It's a total disaster and you
can't really trust anybody. And that is Curtis Jarvin's philosophy.
You might say, well, that's a good thing to realize

(27:51):
it's all corrupt. We can replace it. It's like, well, yeah,
that's the point. And that's what Curtis Jarvin and his
protege jd Vance, the vice president right now. Jd Vance
is the protegee of two people. He is the protege
of Kurdish Jarvin, the dark magician Elf or whatever he
chooses to call himself, referencing Lord of the Rings and

(28:11):
Peter Tiel, who's also obsessed with Lord of the Rings.
And Peter Tiel is behind a lot of very sinister
and very suspicious things. And he is also i think
a vampire by his own definite by his own description
of being obsessed with the blood of young people and
wanting to get blood transfusions. But that's who the vice
president is inspired by and who he was actually put

(28:32):
into power by those two specifically those two individuals and
Curtis Jarvin, and therefore Jade Vance's philosophy is, in order
to replace the current system, they have to tear down
the old one. How are they going to do that, Well,
they have to undermine the last like when you destroy
a building, the last foundational supports and then you press

(28:53):
the button, you blow the supports out and the building
comes down. That I think is what all of this is.
I think that's what's happening with Iran. I think that's
what's happening in part with Gaza and the larger Israeli
expansionist movement, and the US is backing of it without question,
which of course is tied to Iran. I think that's
what's happening with UFOs. I think it's what's happening with
MK Ultra jfk Epstein, and I think it's happening with

(29:15):
COVID too. Undermining people's faith in the system to replace
it with something new. That's what I think is happening.
I don't see any of this as positive, and I
don't see any of this is new.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I see it undermining the system. You're right back with
Ryan Gable tonight.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
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Speaker 6 (29:49):
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(30:11):
Gable of the Secret Teachings are what do you make
of the testimony that you've heard so far from James Erdman,
the c a CIA officer. In fact, I've got a
couple of more clips here where he talks about members

(30:33):
of the DIG Director's Initiatives Group being monitored and whistleblowers
as well.

Speaker 7 (30:45):
The CIA illegally monitored the computer and phone usage of
DIG personnel, their investigations and contact with whistleblowers.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
And then he goes on to talk about what happened
to members of the group where were just doing duties
as they were tasked with instructed to These.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Were Americans being spied upon illegally while executing duties directed
by the President and under the authority of the Director
National Intelligence.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
And why did he say this in a hearing on
the origins of COVID nineteen instead of just sticking to that.
I mean, once he opened up the can of worms
and said, you know, this was happening to us as
we were investigating COVID nineteen, one would assume it was
also happening in their other investigations as a whole. What

(31:38):
do you have to say about his testimony?

Speaker 8 (31:41):
I was likewise curious about why these other subjects were
brought up. I have not watched the entire testimony, so
I can't speak to the specifics of the details, just
what you played and what I've read. However, I can
say that I think that, as with all the other
things I've mentioned so far in your show tonight, I
think that there's another way to look at this story.

(32:02):
Number One, the CIA and other government agencies have for
a very long time and continue obviously to do so
illegally monitor both citizens and members of the government, members
of their own agency. And I think that this is
done as a turnkey operation. So to say that the

(32:23):
CIA illegally monitored people of the dig the Director's Initiatives Group,
I think that it kind of misses the point in
the context that they do this to everybody. It's kind
of a standard procedure, so it doesn't necessarily imply anything
directly sinister in regard to COVID nineteen. But all of

(32:43):
this and what it kind of implies is based on
the notion that there's really two options for the origins
of COVID nineteen. The first option is that COVID nineteen
came from a laboratory. The second option is that and
I know, maybe that's in the wuhan, or it's the
natural byproduct of some some thing, maybe climate change, or

(33:07):
maybe it's the natural byproduct of just this is what
happens when the earth gets overpopulated, the diseases rise. This
is kind of you know, the difference between the kind
of left wing argument and then the more conspiratorial right
wing argument. And then there's a there's a there's a
fringe within those two, those two arguments, and the fringe
is the people that don't believe viruses are real. And

(33:32):
this is what's always been confusing to me, because people
have asked me personally, they said, well, why don't you
believe viruses are real? I tell them that's that's not
what I believe. I yeah, viruses are real, But like,
what what do you mean by a virus? You mean
a particle that makes you sick, that transforms the body's
natural processes into some kind of system of illness? Is

(33:53):
that what you mean by a virus? Sure, those things exist.
I mean sometimes we see photographs from an electron micro
scope and they're from an electron microscope. Other times we
see photographs and they're completely computer generated, much like nuclear
weapons testing. A lot of those videos were made it.
I think it's called Lookout Mountain. Some military installation has

(34:16):
made fake, fake videos. So I'm looking at this and thinking,
I don't know if we're really asking the right questions.
I don't know if it really matters if COVID came
out of a lab, because ultimately they've still yet to
prove that a particular particle, what they call stars cove
two and the various variants of it, are producing a

(34:40):
specific set of symptoms in the body, and it just
simply isn't. As the CDC, the World Health Organization, all
the big health groups, the universities, Johns, Hopkins, et cetera,
they all say that the symptoms of COVID nineteen are
identical to the flu and furthermore, their identity therefore to

(35:01):
haunt a virus as well. I just read about that
for the first time this morning. I'm over I'm overseas,
so I don't see.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
A lot of scared. I'm so scared.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
What was that? Oh that was me screaming because I'm
so scared. It came through my headphones. Very strange, very strange.

Speaker 8 (35:20):
It's not like a motorcycle going by. But but yeah,
I think, like I looked at the Haunt of virus
this morning. I'm over here in Japan, so I don't
see a lot of this news and I just read
about it for the first time this morning. And when
I'm reading about it, like Johns Hopkins World Health Organizations,
it says symptoms are the same as the flu. There's
only one supposed strain that actually affects humans, and that

(35:44):
if it does happen, is very rare, and if it
does happen, it doesn't actually necessarily cause disease. Like that's
the official stance of the Johns Hopkins and the official
stances of the WHO. It is the same thing with
COVID so and that's also based on tests that don't
actually test for viruses per se. They test for particulate

(36:06):
and they can with PCR tests they amplify that beyond
thirty something cycles up to forty or fifty, which they
were doing with COVID in states like New York. I
was living in New York at the time, and you know,
if you reduce the cycle count from what was at
forty eight at most of the New York labs down
to about what the normal rate is, which is about
thirty two to thirty three. Eighty percent of all the

(36:28):
cases in New York they disappeared, So there was not
a pandemic. And that goes with anything that they try
to sell as bird flu, haunt, a virus, ebola, which
is now in the news. So I don't even know
if we're asking the right questions, Jeremy. I don't think
that COVID necessarily came out. It certainly wasn't quote natural,
but it certainly I don't think came out of a

(36:50):
laboratory either. I think that it was a psychological disease.
And as a matter of fact, that you look at
the way that people's perception of reality, and there's been
there's been some scientific and psychological reports written on this,
how people's perception of reality, the perception of time, the
perception of space like space time shifted and changed. The

(37:13):
general public became more reserved, like it literally shifted the
entire cultural dynamic. Not because people were sick people, that's
part of the psychology of it. People weren't sick, you
were quarantined if you were not sick, which is something
we've never done. That's not what quarantines used to be.
So it was a mixture of psychological warfare, which, by

(37:34):
the way, was admitted. This isn't my opinion the UK government,
their Health Department over there, they acknowledged this. The SPIB,
which was one of the official pandemic management groups, they
openly stated in documents. I've got copies of them that
the whole idea of social distancing, the idea of running

(37:59):
case total or death totals in the news every night,
was not done to save people or to help people.
It was done to make people afraid, to get them
to comply with mandates. And we saw the same thing
as a matter of fact, from I believe it was
Yale University and they were working with the US federal
government putting together a list of talking points over COVID injections,

(38:23):
not about science, but about how if you take this
you will be able to save you know, Grandma, or
you will be able to save you know, the economy.
Those were the talking points that we saw in the news. Well,
that comes from Yale, that comes from the federal government
that pumped this stuff into the media and it was psychological.

(38:44):
Here's one other example, the New England Journal of Medicine
type this in New England Journal of Medicine COVID masking
talisman For those people who are listening who don't know
what a talisman is, and maybe if you don't know
what the New England Journal of Medicine is one of
the most prestigious medical journals in the world, probably top two,

(39:05):
definitely top three. And a talisman. They refer to masks
as a talisman. What is a talisman? A talisman is
an object, usually a ring or a stone, but it
can be any object that's thought to have magical powers
and bring good luck. It's something that is a symbolic
expression or representation of something. This is the New England

(39:26):
Journal of Medicine actually said that masks serve no purpose
other than making people feel better, and that they were
basically talismans, they were magical symbols. So that means that
it's mostly psychological. So I don't know if we're asking
the right questions about this. CIA whistleblower Ryan Wharre's the
podcast available tstradio dot info or The Secret Teachings on

(39:50):
any radio podcast.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Player. We appreciate you coming on. Thank you, Jeremy, have
a good night.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
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Speaker 6 (41:18):
You know, I don't take it lightly when I hear
about intelligence agencies mucking in people's affairs.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'm just not cool with that.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
As has been done, this goes back, I mean, all
the way to the Cold War. So this is nothing new,
it's just a new extension. A recently resurfaced CIA document
connected to Project Artichoke has renewed attention on the agency's

(41:56):
secret mind control experiments. The seventh page report, originally declassified
in nineteen eighty three, was recently added to the CIA's
online reading room, which is why we're telling you about
it now. It outlines research into drugs and psychological techniques
designed to manipulate human behavior, influence emotions, and extract information

(42:21):
during interrogations. And so when I hear about people being
retaliated against, say.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Like mister Erdman was alluding to, following.

Speaker 7 (42:36):
The CIA's COVID relook that culminated in twenty twenty three,
the CIA retaliated against analysts supporting the lab Leek hypothesis.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
Again from last week's Senate hearing. Senate Committee hearing, the
document that I was alluding to discusses substances that could
create anxiety, depression, confusion, or compliance, and suggested that they
could be secretly administered through food, drinks, cigarettes, vaccinations, or injections.

(43:14):
We got to step back a little bit when I
hear about people like Dylan Morland and the people who
James Erdman is alluding to members of the Director's Initiative
Group whistleblowers being I mean, the monitoring is one thing.

(43:36):
I mean, it's the Central Intelligence Agency, That's what they do.
But it's another thing to take it to the next
level to try to charge people with treason, to trump
up charges, and I'm talking about the president. It is
very concerning to me and to hear that substances that

(43:59):
could create anxiety, depression, confusion, or compliance could be secretly
administered through food, drinks, cigarettes, vaccinations, or injections does not

(44:21):
surprise me, but it still is very, very disturbing. Through
this document, we also learned that researchers explored hypnosis, sensory deprivation, gases,
and other psychological methods to determine whether individuals could be
controlled or compelled to act against their will without awareness. Now,

(44:44):
Project Artichoke operated from nineteen fifty one to nineteen fifty
six and then later evolved into the CIA's MK Ultra program.
Many records were destroyed in the nineteen seventies and then,
of course, as we alluded to in the first Hour

(45:05):
the Church Committee hearings which happened in nineteen seventy five,
there was also another hearing. I just want to verify
this before I misspeak. No, there was another hearing involving
survivors in the Senate which took place in nineteen ninety

(45:28):
six mk Ultra Senate hearings nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
You can google that.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
So there's been a couple of them now, and we've
heard about efforts now to destroy records. I've heard from
mk Ultra surviving families because I'm in contact with a
couple of them, people who have had a family member
involved in the mk Ultra program and have been fighting
for records and you know, justice prolonged justice at this

(45:57):
point fifty years in excess. They found that the records
have been severely altered, in some cases destroyed flat out
just denied that they even exist. We welcome Mack, founder
of Curious Research and host of The Curious Realm. He
is Christopher Jordan to the program to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
How are you, Bud doing great man, Thank you so
much for having me tonight. Appreciate coming on, Jeremy, My pleasure.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
So as far as the hearing is concerned, I mean,
it was on the table for the thirteenth and then
twenty four hours out it's off the table. And come
to find out, only one witness would testify. The other
three were hesitant. I wonder why.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yep, yeah, yeah, it may maybe because you know, the
CIA bullied their way into a government office and took
additional files. And even whenever you look at the original
files that came from m Kaultra that went into the
hands of the Church Committee in seventy five, man, it
was all of like a thousand documents. It was not
a major trove. Most of them had been destroyed as

(47:05):
soon as they heard that something was going to happen,
that an investigation was coming, they just started destroying things.
And the only way we found out about it was
literal misclassification of the documents. They were hiding in extra drawers,
all kinds of things that just ended up being dug up.
So we're lucky that we ever found out about it.

(47:26):
And like you said, Artichoke, which was before Mkultra, wasn't
declassified till eighty three, so we didn't even hear about
that during the church hearings, during the Church Committee hearings,
you know, And you can look this up, folks, feel
free to google this actual fact. There has never, this

(47:48):
is capital letters, never been an occasion where the CIA
has stepped in front of a congressional panel and told
the truth initially about any covert programmed. Ever, they've never
come out and just said the truth crimeo facia first
time out. Ever, they have always obfuscated it, They've always

(48:11):
hidden it. They have a complete and utter history of
doing so. That is an actual congressional fact.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
As a serving intelligence officer within the agency ever appeared
before Congress, as mister Erdman did last week, while they
work for the agency. I believe that's the case because
there is that letter that Senators was a rand Paul

(48:40):
and Ron Johnson sent to his employer basically saying don't
retaliate against him.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, And that was a huge one man. Honestly,
that was a topic that our good friend doctor John
Hall and I covered regularly on my show. We had
numerous episodes muted in countries things like that because we
were talking about the lab league, like openly regularly talking
about that, and then there was the whole hearing that

(49:08):
happened about it, Like we have that archived on our
YouTube channel. I downloaded it in case somebody ever deletes it.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
So the fact that that was a suppressed line, that
anybody who said that was suppressed, you really have to
stop and think. There were a few things that came
out of the Church Committee hearings, and that was our
knowledge of MK Ultra, That was our knowledge of MK
Naomi as well as our knowledge of Project Mockingbird.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
So which I mean what it was the idea behind
the latest one? Is it just a new crowd hoping
to shake the tree and get something different to fall.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Well, I think it's really come back about honestly because
of all the Havana syndrome stuff, Manu, we have now
had numerous hearings on that we now know of anomalist
health incidents. This rings a lot to things like targeted individuals.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
And Erdman was investigating a HI normalst health incidents as
well more with Christopher Jordan the Curious Well in a moment.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
Into the Pair of Normal.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
With Christopher Jordan tonight on into the Pair of Normal,
I'm Jeremy Scott. We mentioned anomalists health incidents, which is
something that came up in the whistleblower hearing James Erdman,
the CIA officer, member of the Defense or the Director's
Initiatives group, who was speaking about this during his testimony.

(50:58):
Anomalist health incident and this is probably better known as
like Havana syndrome type stuff, but this could also be
from something like mind control.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Chris, Yeah, yeah, precisely. You know, the idea of the
literally weapons that put voices into your head, things like that,
the voice of God weapons. There's the famous story out
of the original out of the First Gulf War of
the entire platoon of Iraqi soldiers that heard the voice
of Allah and laid their weapons down and surrendered. Things

(51:33):
like that. We know that in the recent attacks in Venezuela,
a sonic weapon that did such things was used. You know.
So when you start considering that, there are a few
things to I think really break down here, Jeremy. And
number one is the CIA terminology. A project is this

(51:53):
specific administration framework or funding mechanism used to organize resources,
while operation is the actual on the ground execution of
those plans in the field to achieve a specific intelligence
or policy objective. Now, when you're thinking about that in
terms of documents, programs, that kind of stuff, like you said,

(52:16):
say the project or the department that the whistleblower was
a part.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Of UH Defense Directors Initiatives Group. Yeah, I said it earlier.
Now I screwed it. I almost screwed it up twice.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
That's the thing. Call it dig dig that's that's quite
literally the idea of organizing resources. Who do you get
to do this, what doctors do you get to do this?
How do you fund that, how do you figure it out,
how do you find the funding, how do you hide
the funding? All that kind of stuff. And since the
Tuskegee panels, there is a law that prevents medical experimentation

(52:55):
things like that, how by the government on the populace. However,
there are exceptions made for national security and intelligence operations.
And that's fascinating to think about the fact that the
loophole that exists in that law that protects us from
that kind of experimentation. Let's say, like what happened to

(53:18):
the Canadian town whose water supply was tainted with LSD
to see what happened, you know, things like that, what
we know happened in San Francisco where they were quite
literally drugging people, taking them to brothels and giving them LSD,
implying them for information, things like that. So when you

(53:41):
consider that, one of the things we found out about
in the church hearings is Operation or Project mocking Bird,
which led to Operation Mockingbird. Operation mocking Bird was four
thousand journalists and pastors who the CIA used to disseminate
information things like that. Like, we know that the CIA

(54:03):
embedded themselves in media. So is even the suppression of
the information of COVID nineteen like Urban is talking about.
Is that a continuation of Operation Mockingbird, the idea of
using the media to suppress information or to even put

(54:24):
information out there in that kind of way. You know,
we know in twenty twelve that Obama changed DEFCC laws
to allow the government to say things to put propaganda
out there. Smith munt Act, which was the law that
prevented government made propaganda being disseminated by the news illegal.

(54:45):
That was struck down in twenty twelve. So you start
like fractally looking at all these things, and that's a
frightening prospect.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Man.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Oh absolutely, So what is it that they're trying to
hide When they come in and they take these boxes
of evidence. You know, they may say we don't know
because the CIA hasn't commented why they did it, But
they could say, well, you know, dig doesn't exist anymore
ODE and I you know, shouldn't have the files. These

(55:17):
were under the direction of the president under an executive
order to disclose to be declassified, and they were in
the process of being reviewed and then onto being declassified.
And yet one agency comes in takes these files from
another agency seemingly walks out the well, I guess the

(55:40):
front door, like they own the place. And then we
find out about it weeks later. During this hearing, Representative
Luna gives them twenty four hours to return the files.
Her and Congressman Burlison go to the CIA the next day.
They leave there without the files. This is just a

(56:01):
big giant mess. Oh, absolutely, absolutely, and once again status
quo for the agency. It is absolutely you know, prim
and proper and what they do, you know, and like
you said, why would the why would the people suddenly
drop out?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Why would the witnesses suddenly drop out? Because every stitch
of evidence that was there to back up is gone.
It's gone now you know, documents pertaining to that stuff
that were trackable, those those are all back in the
hands of the CIA and probably in burmbacks or something
like that.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
Well and say they go, okay, we agree to give
you back the forty boxes. I mean, there's no chain
of custody. They weren't checked out, They're not going to
be checked in nobody's going to go through each of
those boxes and maybe the folders within them and page
by page and say, yeah, you know, it's all intact.

(56:58):
I mean, this is a perfect opportunity to do what
the CIA does, which is to seem massively react, destroy it,
redact it, alter it.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I mean you named it. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly exactly,
And it doesn't paint a pretty picture. And once again,
there has never been a time when they've been called
to the halls of Congress to answer to us the
people where they have told the truth, like out the Gate,
where they just say, yeah, this is what happened. And

(57:28):
you know, going back to Artichoke, the beginning of the
conversation and these documents that recently came to light because
of all this stuff. You know, when you look at
people like sir Han, Sirhan, the assassin of Robert F.
Kennedy Man, he remembers nothing, he remembers nothing.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
Of the event.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Was MK altered as well? Absolutely, dude, Whitey Bulger, Whitey
Bulger FBI in Foreman thirteen MK Ultra sessions would not
sive doses of lab less that they told us about it.
There's probably much more than that ohka, absolutely, that's what
we know about, and that's just it. We know that

(58:09):
they experimented on prisoners, We know that they experimented on
college students. We know that they dosed towns. We know
that they dosed people just to see what would happen.
And once again, after these things, there are laws that
protect us. But if it's a matter of national security,
if it's a matter of intelligence operations, or even through

(58:34):
the presidential order, that can be bypassed. Those are the
three ways that that law that governs the way the
government can experiment on us can be bypassed through. How again,
through it being a matter of national security to do so,

(58:55):
through intell through it being intelligence operations to gather intelligencia,
or through through a means by presidential executive order or
was that presidential order.

Speaker 6 (59:07):
They've largely gotten a pass, they being the CIA and
other intelligence agents.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Oh my god, think about the past they got with
George Bush in office, he used to lead the CIA.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
My goodness, A pause at the go ahead, Chris, No, no,
go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Oh we had another minute, so I was gonna give
it to you. No. Well, yeah, it's just it's fascinating
to think about those things, and to look at the
way that these echo through and are even applicable today
in the ways that social media pokes and prods. One
of the things I talk about all the time is
the beginnings of the Arab Spring were started by a

(59:47):
Facebook post, let's have a flash mob and take over
the government. They never found the dude that made that post,
and Hasni Mubarik was ousted like they used a social
media post to take over, and Niantic.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
Had a breakout where with Christopher Jordan will be right
back on into the pair of normal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I'm Jeremy Scott.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Doctor Falcie's role and the cover up was intentional.

Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
Right now, a CIA whistleblower is providing a testimony to
the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee on an
alleged federal cover up over the COVID nineteen pandemic.

Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
Following the CIA's COVID relook that culminated in twenty twenty three,
the CIA retaliated against analysts supporting the lab Leaku hypothesis.

Speaker 10 (01:00:40):
There was an executive order that the president had directed
the faulty classification.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
The CIA.

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
They legally monitored the computer and phone usage a dig personnel,
their investigations and contact with whistleblowers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Bordering the lines between reality and the unknown. Your writing
to the pair abnormal.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Screw declassification today't never gonna happen when these games are
being played. I'm Jeremy Scott somewhere between the paranormal and
the abnormal. So what happened to the JFK files and
the MK Ultra files and when are they headed back
to the O d N. I talking with Christopher Jordan

(01:01:24):
tonight of Curious Research and the Curious Realm. I mean,
you've researched a lot of what we've been discussing tonight,
and this stuff seems to come back around from time
to time. It's never quite over. You do one show
and you're like, Okay, that was a lot of work,
and then every so often you get a chance to

(01:01:44):
kind of bring it back out, dust it off, repolish it,
because it is the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Right. It's horrifically si psychicyclic. Horrifically cyclic is the only
way you can say it. When you look at it,
like art to choke. We know started in the fifties
and we didn't find out about that until eighty three.
The church hearings happened in seventy five. That's when we

(01:02:14):
found out about mk Ultra mk Naomi, which was their
assassination program to get rid of Phillel Castro things like that.
So like we found out about the mind warping of
mk Ultra and a separate assassination program simultaneously. That's very
interesting when you don't find out about art to Choke

(01:02:35):
until eighty three, which is, how do we program people
to be assassins without them knowing? Using hallucinogenic drugs like LSD,
a mainstay staple of mk Ultra, and the whole idea
of that, especially married with Operation mocking Bird once again,
just the idea that they had been controlling narrative since

(01:02:58):
nineteen fifty until now, and once again, before we went
to break, I was mentioning Hosney Mubarik and the ousting
of Hasney Mubarik and how it started with let's do
a flash mob on social media. Not many people are
aware that Facebook got their initial round of funding. Meta

(01:03:19):
got their initial round of funding from the CIA program
that funds future technologies. Nianticsoft, the people who made Pokemongo
got their funding from the same place, you know, and
it's attached to DARPA and all kinds of stuff, But

(01:03:40):
they were an initial round funder in Facebook. And when
you consider the way that social media is used to
metric society, things like that and even poke and move
society in ways that we know happens. We know that
there's rage bait out there. We know that there's things
that keep the narrative moving in one way or another, Jeremy.

(01:04:06):
And if you're not aware of that, feel free to
take two steps back in three deep breaths and look
at it all again, you know, because it's there. And
these these programs are things that are they call them
projects because as long as they call them projects, they
aren't in operation. They're in operation. That requires a different

(01:04:27):
realm of classification things like that. But if they're projects,
then it's like continual research into things, into topics, into
how things move society and how you you know, a
help free a country, give it democracy and then craft
it the way you need it to be crafted.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Yeah, Well, and we should assume that once somebody acts
one way, that they're more likely to act that way again.
So if the CIA is a history of destroying files
as they've done decades ago. Many people are wondering if
that's not what's going on as we speak tonight. Maybe
on the third shift they've got people out with the
shredders and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Just it's a swing shift. It's a swing shift between
midnight and day, you know, like the four am people.
But quite literally, once again, feel free to google it. People.
There has never been a case where when the Congressional
Oversight Committee is like, hey, Cia, hop on in, we'd

(01:05:30):
like to ask you a question or two about something
we've heard. They never tell the truth ever. It has
never ever ever happened ever, and that is to be
highly considered in anything they say.

Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
Well, and now the fact that they're doing this, you
think it shows an active desperation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I think it shows a definite AGGA. I don't know
if it's necessarily desperation, but it's but it's most definitely
a power play on the intelligencia community and and the
fan you know, NSA is a different entity. They're the
ones who are listening into this conversation. They're the ones

(01:06:15):
that are listening into us in a different way, different
three literary Yeah. Yeah, And when you when you consider
the fact that we we still don't have our amazing
citizen Edward Snowden back. I used to I work corporate
av for a living. I used to work a show
every year in d C that was the the n SAA.
They were the people who oversaw all the alphabet agencies

(01:06:37):
things like that. I was brought in as a graphics
operator to operate power points. You know what, we didn't
have at that show anymore power points because of Edward
Snowden five years. I was brought in to operate power
points that did not exist. It was crazy, uh, but

(01:06:57):
quite literally, we know that these things are happening. We
know that they are crafting narrative, and we know that
they are using psychological means, whether it's drugs, whether it's
something that is done by experimentation on a mass scale,
or something that's done digitally to bat us into a
thought form and belief. It's amazing to see how those

(01:07:22):
programs have literally leached out in various forms.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
Jeremy, so what do you make of mister Erdman's testimony.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I think it was amazing and brave, quite honestly, because
once again the whole lab leak, like there was a
whole Congressional panel on that that was horribly attended by
the press that very very very much supported that and
showed the fact that that was the case. So when
you consider the fact that yes, they were actively suppressing that,

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a lot of that was because yes, he helped fund
the Wuhan Lab. America did, France helped fund it. Two
numerous UN nations helped fund the Wuhan Lab and France
and I want to say it was twenty twelve or
twenty thirteen, like raise the red flag and they were like, hey,

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we're out of here. China is trying to build ethno
specific viruses. We don't want anything to do with that.
And at about the same time, we said we were
no longer funding gain of function technology here in America.
Here in America is the key words there, because we

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were absolutely still funding the wu Han Lab, you know. So, yeah,
that's and when you think about the fact of it
it being a means of control, that's something doctor John
Hall was spoken about on my show numerous times, and
we've had other guests that have spoken about it. Whether

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or not you ascribe to the five G control of
the COVID vaccine, there is one thing that happens. That
is actually scientifically sound. It's factual. You can look it up.
There's a study by the National Institute of Health. There
are two that came out of COVID. One of them
was the damage to the hypothalamus by the COVID vaccine,

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which is interesting because the hypothalamus is like what regulates
your panic response things like that. The other is the
effect of negative news cycles on your hypothalamus. Oh boy,
So when you marry those two together, man, that is
a nasty means of control.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
I'm guessing there's a whole lot more that they can
affect it. Well more to come with Christopher Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Into the pair of abnormal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I think it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
I think it was hypothalamus. Did I get that right, Chris?
And what the heck is?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Yes, yes, yes it is. It's basically the soft glove
of your brain that lives around your amygdala. The amygdala
is like your reptilian brain what controls fight or flight.
The hypothalamus basically is there to help regulate that. It's
there as a barrier to to help you not go

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into states of panic. Things like that, and what these
studies from the National Institute of health and you can
look them up at inn A, n i H dot gov. Folks,
there's one about the effective negative news cycles, and it's
basically the fact that it bruises your hypothalamus. It's like

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each one is an individual punch and you recover a
little bit. But if you keep going, and if that's
a dopamine hit for you in that cycle of news
type thing, which is horribly controlled by like the camera
on your phone and how you scroll, how long you
hover on something, the way your eyes dilate when you read.

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That's how they decide what to feed you on your algorithm.
It's disturbing as hell, dude. And when you consider that,
that in and of itself begins to bruise the mechanism
that keeps you from being in a state of panic.
And then you marry that with the fact that the

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COVID nineteen virus or vaccine, both of them can affect
your hypothalamus in the same way you're talking to double whammy.
Whether you took the vaccine or not. During the time
of COVID, during lockdown, during all those horrible headlines, during
everything that was so horrible all over social media, you

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were still being a programmed with it, beat just brain
beaten down with it on the daily and weakened by it.
And that's that maniacal, maniacal think.

Speaker 11 (01:12:28):
If you think about it as a means of control,
you think it was powerful that this was all stated
under oath, you know, in in Congress to it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Hugely, hugely, especially by somebody who who much like Palmeeropolis,
the CIA agent who was affected by Hafana syndrome, has
come out and talked about his case like that's huge,
that's massive that somebody who was an active service came
out and talked about these things. You know, that's a

(01:13:03):
beautiful occasion and it's great. And even in the last
whistleblower testimony for UFO UAP, that was the first time
that today suited uniformed officer of the Navy, still serving
officer of the Navy, was allowed to whistle blow on
something like that. So it's very interesting to see people
like Congressman Burshett, Congresswoman Luna leading the charge on these

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adjunct topics. Man, because one of the first things that
was posted, the first document in the UFOD classification stuff
was very interestingly a letter from a member of a
UFO Investigation Organization in nineteen sixty six to j Edgar
Hoover saying, like, I'm a member of this organization we

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research UFOs. These are the notes from our congress last year.
I just want you to know, I don't want you
to label me as a communist because I'm researching UFOs. Well.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
So, if this is what happened to members of the
Director's Initiative Group investigating UFOs and we're told that there's
going to be these UFO files that are coming out
every two weeks, now, I guess we shouldn't get hopes
of well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
And you know I'm not that I was anyway well,
And like I keep saying, all those things that are happening,
even these things that are happening, Jeremy, are hugely important
because a there is a good percentage of the population,
sadly and horribly that is still not aware of these things,
that still does not believe these things. And that's who

(01:14:44):
it's for. The UFOSH.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
Even though there were hearings fifty years ago, thirty years ago,
it's important to be gotting in today.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
People weren't paying attention then, you think we are paying
attention now. They really didn't have the news. Then we're
at least connected on social media, and now we wake
up with the news from Poughkeepsie in the palm of
our hand, you know. So there were rural places Louisiana,
stuff like that, they didn't hear about the church committees.

(01:15:14):
They weren't hearing about that stuff every night on the news,
you know, whereas now it's a twenty four hour day
of news cycle online and on air, you know, so
we hear about it all the time. So in nineteen
seventy five, even even with the JFK assassination hearing and committee,

(01:15:35):
there was a scant few maybe twenty five thirty percent
that knew what happened with that. So these rehearings on
these things, especially the fact that apparently programs have continued
once again, MK Ultra we found out about we didn't
find out about Art to Choke till Lady three. What's
up with that? That was the progenerator of MK ultra. Okay,

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So why do you think these were?

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
And it is and we can only speculate because we
don't know why they were hesitant to appear. I mean,
could it be that they couldn't afford the trip? Because
we know that they have to pay their own way.
Is it that they thought that they would be docs,
or that they may be under some sort of threat
while they were in town for these proceedings or what.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Here's the thing, man, whether it's in k ultra Ufo, whatever,
nobody has the vested interest to come forward with that. Nobody,
nobody ever has the vested interest. You know, you aren't
going to make millions of dollars on it. It typically
ruins your life, typically leads to all kinds of horrible

(01:16:41):
threats from governments and heather agencies, that kind of stuff.
So it is nobody's vested interest who come forward. The
fact that they had the bravery too to begin with,
I think was more the fact of Representative Luna was like,
I have documents to support your case. I have documents
to vacke up than with your testimony. In these documents,

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we have something. And as soon as those documents disappeared,
that's what. It's just my testimony now, and I'll be
seen as an even bigger, crazier person. So is there
some sort of bigger.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Than thou, some sort of cabal that's in charge here,
because I mean, if Luna and Burtlessen go to the
CIA and she's given them twenty four hours to turn
it over or there's a subpoena coming, and they leave
there without a subpoena, and she doesn't even post about it.
As far as I know, it was Burtlissen who posted
the follow up. I mean, like, what went on that

(01:17:38):
they wouldn't leave with the files?

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Well, well, a, let's refer back to that loophole in
the experimentation law, all right, which is as long as
it's a matter of national security or a matter of
intelligence operations, that's massive and key, so declassification programs, skiffs, whatever,

(01:18:06):
be damned. If it's a matter of that, then this bypasses.
How you got these documents, and these documents are ours
and they belong buried in this program for this reason.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
You know, I mean, nobody's overseeing the process, so anything
could be happening, like right out third shift shredders.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Yeah, oh no, exactly, And that's exactly what's happening now,
no doubt. Either that, or they are going through massive
algorithms and just redacting stuff, just redacting, redacting, redacting, and
then they'll give them the same boundage of documents and
it'll be half black, you know, as has happened time
and time and time and time again. You know. So

(01:18:48):
it's it's a it's a regular cycle that they go
through with these things. And once again you can see
the cycle of programs from nineteen fifty with the beginning
of Artichoke, all the way to now with echoes of
mk Ultra and you know, social social movement through natural

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drugs called you know, dopamine and serotonin and and courtisoll
Court is all the most powerful in that panic, you know,
where it's like, if we can make you afraid, we
can make you buy anything. So it's these are these
are massive ways to move society. And there are means

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by which to inject that. There are means by which
to put that into food, to put that into water.
We saw a whole town in France get doped with it.
We saw a whole town in Canada get doped with it.
Numerous people at brothels with drinks. So and we know
from Jacob's Ladder, the movie Jacob's Ladder was about a

(01:19:58):
real program where they were trying to assify LSD and
use it as a means by which to subdue and
to me troops like they put these dudes in space
helmets with gas like lsde gas going straight into their stuff.
Man crazy for another time. What's the website? Yes, Curious

(01:20:19):
Realm dot com and Curious research dot org.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
Fantastic. Always awesome to talk with you party on same
here brother, Take care.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
We'll talk again next time. Friends.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
From the cold dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere
deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, I am Jeremy scott s.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Goodnight and God bless