Potato Salad with Raisins: A Thanksgiving Special

This week on Is This How It Ends?, we’re serving up a Thanksgiving special packed with everything from heartfelt tributes to hilarious hot takes. 🦃✨

We kick off by honoring our beloved furry mascot, Enzi T’Challa Green, with touching stories and pet parent reflections. Then, it’s all chaos as we break down the Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul fight (spoiler: Iron Mike is giving Aluminum Foil vibes), dive into the absurdity of dating shows, and roast the wild world of Pop the Balloon—yes, even seniors are bringing the drama.

The episode gets real as we discuss politics, allyship, and the frustrating landscape of reproductive rights.

Of course, our show wouldn’t be complete without some shady astrology! With Sagittarius season in full swing, we take a playful look at their bold (and sometimes chaotic) life choices—yes, we’re talking about those impulsive crypto investments.

Finally, we close on a grateful note, sharing what we’re thankful for this year, and set the stage for a season full of laughs, insight, and a little bit of mess.

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Episode Transcript

Nele (00:00):
Hey y'all and welcome to our podcast.
Is this how it ends?
I'm Nell, I'm so All right, andwe're here to talk about
everything from politics toconspiracy theories, aliens, a
little bit of gossip, shadyastrology.
It's girl talk with a twistthat you don't want to miss, so

(00:22):
let's get into it, y'all, ohy'all.
A couple of churchannouncements um, let's give it
up for soaps.
New haircut in color, y'allgood.
Other service announcements sadnews we're dedicating this
episode to our sort of mascot,enzi Malik T'Challa Green.

(00:47):
Technically, we have two catsthat are part of our family Sir
Nugget, right, and also Enzi,and he's made a couple of
appearances and I put him down acouple of weeks ago and it's
been really sad and I miss thema lot and I'm totally jealous of

(01:09):
people and their fur babies.
Um, so, yeah, this is dedicatedto him.

Soph (01:15):
Yes, I hope that there's a big scratch post in the sky all
right, y'all tell me what Ishould have led with that like
what happened, yeah so he hadbeen acting funny for a while.

Nele (01:29):
Um, he was like hiding under the bed and just like or
he would just like chill out andlike the tub, and normally he
would.
When I come home, he greets meat the door.
He wasn't doing that and so,all right, something's going on
with him, and like even how hewas eating, like he's a fat cat

(01:50):
and he just wasn't really eatingas he should.
So I was going to take him tothe vet, but then that night he
started throwing up blood andjust he was just very like weak,
like could barely normally Ihave to fight to put him in the
carrier, but he was just kind oflike I can't, like it was just
very hard.

(02:11):
I took him to the emergency vetand they said that he had
stomach cancer and it was prettyfar gone and he was just he was
in a lot of pain, like he wasjust like yowling, like he was
in pain.

Soph (02:25):
And so it was just in a lot of pain.

Nele (02:25):
He was just like yowling, like he was in pain.
It's kind of best to put himdown.
Yeah, it's tough to watch.

Soph (02:33):
Well, I hope you can watch your heel about new Enzi or
Enzi Jr.

Nele (02:38):
Look, I already have a name picked out, okay,
marquavius Denzel Washington,green Girl.
Yes, love it, love it out, okay.

Soph (02:47):
marquavius denzel, washington green girl love it.

Nele (02:50):
Yes, I already have a name .
I'm gonna give myself a year,you know, but um to grieve but,
yeah, pets are dope.
They're therapeutic and theredefinitely been times where I've
been sad, and most of the timehe likes to be to himself, but
he'll come and he'll cuddle,like he just knows, and so he's

(03:11):
been my little companion thiswhole time and I love bringing
him up in conversations andeveryone has just been so dope
just in terms of like,condolences and outpouring.
Yeah, because everyone knowshow much I love him it's like
lounging on the bed, like yes,like, look, my boy was showing
off all the goods.
Okay, just, we have a saying insouth carolina it's called, or

(03:35):
in the south called, taking uptaking somebody's picture, like
when your legs are open, like,and so he was definitely always
showing off the goods, takingpeople's pictures, okay, you
know.
So, yes, rip my boy.
Yes, all right, y'all, it'stime to get into this hot mess.

(03:56):
So, not going to lie,originally I had an idea of
talking about conspiracy theoryand Thanksgiving, but I'm
changing my tune and because I'mgetting a little hotep-ish, the
hotep is rising and I'm tryingto quell the spirit.

(04:20):
Okay, trying to quell thespirit.
So this was something old.
Um, you said we should talkabout it anyway.
So did you watch the fightbetween mike tyson and jake paul
?

Soph (04:37):
so there are certain things I will not, um, I will
not participate in.
There are certain things I willnot condone or support, and
that was one of them.
Like I'm not watching this shitand I do not.

Nele (04:52):
Look, soph, I didn't even really know it was happening.
And then I saw it on myfavorite gossip website Lipstick
Alley Shouts out to LipstickAlley, and I was like what in
the hell is this?
And so, you know, I'm here forthe mess, which is something I
want to work on in the new year,you know.
But until then, I'm just goingto participate in it.

(05:15):
So, for those of you who don'tknow, there was a boxing match
between Jake Paul, who is afamous YouTuber, and Mike Tyson.
That took place on November16th at the AT&T Stadium in
Arlington, texas.
Jake Paul is 27, and Mike Tysonis a smooth 58.

(05:38):
And so Jake Paul won the fightby a unanimous decision after
eight rounds.
Um, now, this was hard to watchfor, like, different reasons.
All right, I said I wasn'tgonna be a whole tip, but just

(05:59):
you know, for a little bit.
Um, it was hard to watchbecause in what world would it
be okay for a 27 year old tofight a 58 year old?
I don't just because he was,you know, they called him iron
mike.
You know, mike tyson, iron mike, he was giving aluminum foil,
mike at this point I don't carehow much you train or whatever

(06:24):
time catches up with us all.
I was just.
I didn't want to see someone.
I don't like Mike Tyson as aperson.
However, in terms of what he'sdone for boxing, that cannot be
denied.
What he's accomplished, thatcannot be denied.
And to watch him get knockeddown by this yokel who just
leaves been boxing for the pastfew years, it's hard to watch.

(06:49):
I don't feel like your legacy,but mike, mike ty said he don't
care about his legacy and in theend he got 20 million dollars
for it and he lasted in the ring.
I don't know if there was.
There was an agreement becausethere were certain rules.
There couldn't be any knockouts, you know.
So there are certain rules, Iguess to keep some dignity

(07:09):
intact.
We also saw Mike Tyson's bareass.
I was not expecting that.
So he was in the locker roomand there was a guy interviewing
him.
I found out later that was hisson.
So he gives the guy a kiss onthe cheek and I guess he's
wearing like a jockstrap and sohe turns around and it was just
like ass.

Soph (07:28):
I was like am.

Nele (07:28):
I seeing correctly?

Soph (07:30):
Oh my god, I like that he's giving his son a job, by
the way, yeah, I like that.

Nele (07:36):
I like that.
The whole thing was ridiculous.
It was a spectacle.
Mike Tyson kept doing thisthing where he was biting his
glove and I thought maybe hismouth guard was falling out.
But he says he does thatbecause he has an oral fixation.
He did bite off EvanderHolyfield's ear part of his ear

(07:59):
so maybe I guess he was like hedidn't want temptation so he
would bite off his glove.
That's a suckling lobe.
I'm just.

Soph (08:08):
No $20 million.

Nele (08:12):
But you know, there's Jake Paul.
He's won most of his fights buthe'll fight like box people
that aren't necessarily boxersor they're retired.
And then, from what I read, theactual boxer that he boxed, he
lost the fight.
So it doesn't mean anythingunless you're boxing these

(08:35):
people in their prime.
So what are you getting off of?
Conquering people that are pasttheir peak in the boxing ring?
I just felt it was a little bitof a humiliation ritual.
I have certain views behind it,um, but I was definitely just
like this the whole time, like Ican't.

(08:57):
I don't want to see mike tysonbeing knocked down by this man.
Honestly, um, yeah, it was ahot mess, but what I will say is
that the undercard was actuallyreally good.
Um, well, some of them werereally good.
The women had a fight.
There was a a box betweentaylor and serrano, serrano and

(09:20):
serrano was definitely robbed.
But these when I tell you so,these women fought like serrano
had this big like these women, Itell you, these women fought
like Serrano had this big Cutover her eye and she just kept
Going and going and Taylor washeadbutting her ass, and so
Taylor technically Won.
However, serrano's coachdefinitely made it known that

(09:42):
Taylor's big ass head.
He was like she's a sweet womanwith a big head.
He basically said that.
No, he actually said that andbasically said that this was,
you know, robbed.
But they definitely that wasthe highlight of the night that
fight yeah.

Soph (09:59):
I didn't watch it.
I'm glad I didn't watch it.
I didn't even like look at Isaw some commentary, but not
really.
I know this was not the firsttime he approached Mike Tyson
about it.
You know I'm not going to feelbad about Mike Tyson for getting
$20 million for getting his ass.
I'm sure Mike doesn't care.

(10:20):
You know he doesn't care abouthis legacy.
I can't feel for these people.
If they're willing to do thisand I need us in 2025.
No, I need you in 2025.
Support that like it, just likeit gets you.
Like it gets you riled up right, like it's like your body.
Yeah, what it does to you?

(10:41):
I don't think it's.

Nele (10:43):
Hopefully yeah, people know what they're doing, they
know the optics of it and eventhough it's supposed to be such
a boxing match like just aboxing match, I definitely think
is representative of certainthings.
There was a point after, whenthe fight was over, um, jake
paul's brother I think his nameis logan Logan Paul I think they

(11:05):
said something about like oh,would you be willing to fight
Mike, or whatever, and he saysI'd kill him.
And then Mike is just like notresponding to it and it's like
this is a joke, like he couldhave been like, oh, you know,
like yeah, let's, let's go, mike, but you're talking about
you're gonna kill him in thering, just in terms of what we

(11:27):
deem as entertainment.
I think has this has to bequestioned right?
because in certain cases, forcertain people, we are being
entertained by people'shumiliation it happens in,
particularly in these datingshows, which at one point I
stopped watching them because Idon't believe that they benefit

(11:49):
Black women in particular.
But just watching people beingmistreated in a romantic context
and actually some of the stuffthat you see is stuff that
actually happens, I find itactually quite triggering in
terms of watching these datingshows and it's like why are we
looking at someone beingmistreated?

(12:10):
You know, as entertainment, andso that says a lot about us as
well.

Soph (12:16):
Yeah it um.
A lot of.
A lot of what we watch is aboutbeing people being mistreated.
It's about laughing at theirmisfortune and be like look at
that dumb bitch.
It's why a reality show is theway it is and it's why they keep
flipping that stuff out.
And these producers theypurposely do that because they

(12:41):
know what people want to see.
It's like you can't have a hoston show and catch people.
We want to see the raw, we wantto see the humiliation, we want
to see people at their lowest.
I don't know if that makes usfeel a little bit better about
our lives.
I remember watching the firstepisode of Love is Blind and I

(13:03):
was like this is really cool.
I watched the first episode ofLove is Blind and I was like, oh
, this is really cool, I likethe concept.
But then I didn't watch beyondthat because I don't normally
watch reality shows.
I haven't watched them since.
I Love New York and I was likeI Love New York was just heavy
on my psyche.
It was just like, oh my God, Ican't go off this thing.
I just need to go Flavor, flav,whatever.
I'm like I can't do thisanymore.

(13:23):
But I did watch Love is Blindthe first season, but then I
heard from other seasons it'sbeen really rough.
It's been more about thathumiliation aspect, right, how
do we draw people in?
It seems like the way to hookpeople is to be mean, yeah, the

(13:47):
first season of Love is Blind.

Nele (13:48):
I think everyone enjoyed it, especially Lauren and
Cameron's relationship.
It definitely seemed genuineand seeing people being
vulnerable, like actually youwanted them to win but after
that it's just really gonedownhill and just to see, you
know, people go a lot of them goon there for fame or whatever.

(14:10):
But there's definitelyparticularly women and men who
have some childhood traumas thatlike haven't been worked out
and you see it like on thescreen, you see in your
relationships, you see howparticularly these women are
striving for acceptance fromthese men who don't want them
but will use whatever they canget from them.

(14:31):
It's very triggering and toultimately to go down the aisle
and then someone can possiblysay no to you and humiliate you
in front of everybody.
People have come, have dressedup to be a part of this and
you're going to be rejected, notin front of your family and
friends and millions of people.

(14:51):
Who thinks of this?
Why?

Soph (14:54):
Because they know what we like.
Yeah, they think we're playingshit okay, good girl, it was
ending Like the Pop the Balloonshow like there would be a
couple, couple, and I laughedand I'm just like this is awful,
like I I don't want it again.
Like you see, like thesebeautiful women go on there and
they just get like, like theyjust get torn down, even the men

(15:18):
, right it's it's bad.

Nele (15:21):
I used to really be into those pop the balloon shows and,
um, particularly the onesbecause it's interesting, like
just the terminology that theyuse or whatever and there was
one where there was this youngwoman who she had like a little
like sundress, like she wasgoing on a little picnic or
whatever, and so the guys arepicking her apart.

(15:42):
They said she looked like asingle mother I don't know what
that means Like she just lookedlike very old fashioned or
whatever.
And then she started to cry andshe was like this is the only
dress like I could afford.
I took the bus over here and sothe men felt bad but instead of
like saying somethingreassuring to her or being like

(16:06):
okay, we're dicks.
Like they gave her money.
I guess they sent her moneyLike.

Soph (16:13):
First of all, there's just a.
There's just a lot like justthe self-respect.
I know the dating pool is trash, trash, soph Trash.
I don't want to comment much onit because I'm not in it.
I don't want to judge nobody, Ijust like a bus and that's the

(16:38):
only dress.
Is this how you want to spendyour money?
Maybe dating?
I know you've seen otherepisodes.
Is this how you want to spendyour money?
Maybe dating?
I know you've seen otherepisodes Like this.
Is how you want to spend yourmoney?

Nele (16:47):
Dating, first of all, the people, anyone that goes on that
show.
You're just questionable.
I will never sign up for you totell me the reasons why you
don't like me.
If you don't like me, bye, thatis it.
You don't need to have a wholedissertation, a whole thesis
with a PowerPoint as to why youdon't like me, and so I just
feel if you can't afford it,then maybe your priority
shouldn't be dating, especiallynone of these dusty people up on

(17:10):
the show.

Soph (17:11):
Here's the thing.
I think there's a way to do itthat could be decent, because
I've seen like clips it'swholesome, right.
I'm like, oh, this is cool, butthen no one wants.
No one wants to watch.
We don't want to watchWholesome, we don't want that.
We want you to tell this girlthat she looks like a hooker you
know, we want to watch thewoman who goes on there.

(17:33):
She has like five kids and theyoungest one is like months old
and she's on this dating showwhich is wild what.
It's wild like it's gotta bemade up.
I hope it's scripted.
I hope it's wild Like it's gotto be made up.
I hope it's scripted.

Nele (17:47):
I hope it's all scripted and like these women are getting
paid, because if you're puttingyourself through this, yeah,
maybe some kind of humiliationkink, I don't know, but I don't
need anybody directly telling mewhy they do not like me.
But apparently this is whatpeople do.
I'm back in these dating eaststreets and it is just awful

(18:07):
okay remind me.

Soph (18:09):
Is it always?
Is it always the women that areon the line for these men?
No, no they switch it too okayyeah so the men and the women
like both both I've seen andboth, and they tend to be, it's
very superficial.
Like this guy came on, he wasuh, he liked anime no, you know

(18:33):
my theory about that he was justdifferent in his style and he
was just, you know he was.
He made some really good points,you know, and at first the
women were like then they'relike, oh, you know, maybe I
don't know, but I just I, Ithere's a way for any of these
to be like really wholesome andlike really bringing people

(18:55):
together.
And you could bet people tooright, but they purposely you
bet those who would have themost con and I've seen like the
most beautiful women on thereand like turn them down.

Nele (19:07):
It's like like they'll be picking.
Oh, I don't like the shade ofbeige on your toes.

Soph (19:12):
If you don't get out my face?

Nele (19:14):
absolutely not, and I think it's funny because there
have been people that have beenlike really nice and sweet about
why they rejected people.
I've seen it on both ends wherelike there's a way to go about
it and being as ethical aspossible it can be.

Soph (19:28):
but then they encourage you to like say more right, it's
like yeah, it's like they'reegging you to like go that extra
step yeah, you know, but and Ithink the people that kind of
have their stuff together, theyjust have a.

Nele (19:42):
If you're kind of have their stuff together, they just
have a.
If you're kind of healthy,you're not going to find what
you need on that show.
Yeah, and there was this oneclip I saw where they did it
with, like I guess it's like theelderly version of it and child
.
This one woman came out and shehad her walker on and they were

(20:04):
like pop, pop, pop pop.
I was like y'all old as hell,but sis, didn't even try.
Okay, you could have blingedout the walker a little bit, put
a little swipe of lipstick, doa little scarf something.
She just came out in asweatshirt with the walker and
was like here I am, sis, shewasn't trying to sell it, so it
got popped, okay.
Then this other guy came outand all the ladies were like pop

(20:27):
, pop, pop, pop, pop.
And he was like damn, he's likeI pay your rent.
I was like see, he got straightto the point.
Otis, don't play.
He said I will pay your rent.

Soph (20:38):
Oh, my God, okay, whenever I see those shows and I see the
amount of likes they get andjust how popular they are,
there's no hope for us.

Nele (20:50):
There is absolutely no hope.
We are trash.

Soph (20:54):
Basura no, shut this whole shit away.

Nele (21:02):
It's so sad, it's so sad, sad I had to take a in terms of
evaluating.
I mean, I go through this whereI do go through moments where I
go through a purge, but I amashamed to admit I used to watch
zeus network and, um, what zeusis?
Okay.
So zeus is a network.
Um, zeus Network, and itexplains what Zeus is.

(21:22):
So Zeus is a network that isheaded by Lemuel Plummer why do
I know this name Anyway?
And so they have actuallydifferent a whole bunch of shows
, but they're known for theirtrashy reality shows, such as
Jocelyn's Cabaret, the Baddiesor whatever, and the premise of

(21:48):
the shows, like Baddies, isbasically these women that are
very trashy and wear clothesfrom Rainbow.
They all talk about getting thebag.
I'm getting the bag.
What's the bag?
A trash bag to just for you tostep in?
I don't understand.
Like you just drink, you showup.
Oh so bad girls club, okay.

(22:11):
So I guess they changed thename.
Actually, the, the one of theproducers was on the bad girls
club.
I remember natalie nunn.
I run, la, I run, oh my God,she's ahead of it, and it is
just very wild because at leastin the bad girls club they had
activities.
Maybe a therapist would come inand work out their issues.

(22:32):
Now these girls just drink,half naked, go to a club and
then beat each other up.

Soph (22:41):
And I feel like the women always end up losing out, like
they always end up looking theworst, like I don't.

Nele (22:47):
It's just like where's the , where's the dignity?
And particularly with thejocelyn's cabaret where she
chooses these women, for I guessshe does like a tour for a show
and it's like a cabaret show.
So you show them at leastthere's an activity, so you see
them practicing and gettingready to perform or whatever,
and you can tell like these, allthese women a lot of them were

(23:11):
like sex workers, strippers orwhatever that they've definitely
experienced some trauma.
And jocelyn who's experienced alot of trauma.
You would think like, hey, letme take these women under my
wing and nurture them as best asyou can, but you acting like a
pimp to these women, you know,like you're being abusive to
them as well.

(23:31):
And because these women thinkthey're going to get fame from
this, they're just so hungry andstarved for guidance, love and
affection that they're willingto like, pimp themselves out and
just be abused.
It's very hard to watch.
I can't watch this.
These are broken women.
No one with any modicum ofself-esteem would be on a show

(23:56):
like this.
They think this is anopportunity for them.
It's really sad.
A lot of them have really toughstories and an opportunity for
them.
It's really sad.
A lot of them, have reallytough stories and you feel for
them and it's sad that thiswoman who's putting this on you
would think she's gone throughthis, and her.

Soph (24:15):
And there are women who they've gone through stuff and
their motto is to help others.
But a lot of times you seepeople who they've gone through
the trauma and that's all theyknow.
They bring others into it andthey just continue it.
I know we like to throw thephrase out that mental health is

(24:37):
really a problem.
I think it's deeper than that.

Nele (24:42):
It is a spiritual turmoil that is happening.
It's not even in this realm interms of what is happening with
us.
We are lost as a people as awhole.
We are just lost.

Soph (25:02):
There's so much coming at you.
It's the music, it's the media.
It's like nothing, for thestuff that wants to help the
others that do not, it drownsall of that.

Nele (25:14):
Yeah, it's not enough positivity to drown out the
negativity, and we tend togravitate more towards the
negative.

Soph (25:24):
Sadly.

Nele (25:25):
Yeah, definitely.
So, yeah, let us know in thecomments what you thought about
the Tyson fight.
Yeah, all right, y'all.
So we're going to segue into.
We decided we were going toactually talk about this and
this was actually inspired by anexperience that I had today and

(25:47):
no shouts out to this man if heis watching, but I'm going to
keep it as general as possible.
So I'm out here in these datingE streets and I try not to talk
about politics too much becauseI just don't have a lot of
patience for the back and forth.
But having a podcast, we're nota podcast, that is a political

(26:12):
podcast, but we do talk aboutpolitics, and so I definitely
make sure to plug in our podcast.
Like, hey, you think I'm cute,you can see this face.
You can see another cute facetoo.
I mean, she's married, but youcan see this face.
You can see another cute facetoo.
I mean, she's married, but youcan see her face too.
Two for one, okay, so check outour podcast.
Yes, right, so we gonnaadvertise, alright, and just

(26:34):
saying it's a good opener.
Guys like, hey, you're apodcaster, what is it about
Linktree?
Check it out.
Make sure you get on theyoutube, like, comment and
subscribe if you like the vibeanyway.
So I was talking to this guy um,he's a white jewish guy and, um

(26:56):
, he checked out the podcast andthat's where it went left.
I mean, things are going allright, but that's where it went
left and I was just kind ofshocked at his views, because
he's actually a social workerbut he voted for Trump basically

(27:19):
, and he said why he voted forTrump was due to Trump's stance
on Israel, but he had issueswith me because I said that
America doesn't like Blackpeople.
I don't know what there is tochallenge.

(27:41):
I have a.
My theory is that there's noway that you can have a
competent, educated woman thathas been in the political sphere
versus Trump and you vote for,for Trump, and so there has to
be other reasons, because Idon't even know what Trump
stands for.

(28:01):
I don't know what his platformis.

Soph (28:03):
He has concepts of a plan.

Nele (28:05):
Concepts of a plan Exactly , and so it definitely went left
.
But there was just a lack ofawareness.
Basically, this person did notcare about anybody else except
for, basically, white, jewishmen and can I just?

Soph (28:25):
go ahead.
What is biden's stance for thecurrent administration stance on
israel?
They're just sending them money, like whatever they need.
It's like yes, how far can Ibend?
Yeah, I don't even understandwhy.
That's the reasoning.
So I've literally there.
There's there are no guardrailsfor israel.

(28:46):
It's whatever they want is whatthey're getting yeah, I've
literally seen commercialspromoting israel.

Nele (28:54):
So and in their beliefs.
So it's very wild to me thatthat is what is driving you.
When Israel's over here andyou're here, you're here.
What about what happens here?
Um, but you know, there's a lotof reading the subtext, there's
a lot of things that you'resaying without saying it and to

(29:19):
me, to think that me, as a Blackwoman, how you, you're the one
that liked me, how do you see aBlack woman with locks talking
here and you have issues aboutdiversity and racism and
inclusion.
You're a social worker.

Soph (29:36):
But how can you be pro-protecting a country that
you're a citizen of the UnitedStates but you're so for this
country?
That's not in the US, right,and our stance on it.
But the people who are here,that they're saying they need
help, right, like there's.
There are issues that arehappening here.
You don't care about that, youonly care about something that's

(29:59):
, and you can care about both,but clearly you don't.

Nele (30:04):
But my thing is Trump is not even for you.
You're a social worker.
You're a social worker.
I make more money than you.
Trump don't care about you.
And so what does Trumprepresent?
It is what Trump represents.
Trump is a brand.
There's nothing behind it Ilove that.

Soph (30:26):
He is a brand like.
He's a brand like brand forwhite america, yeah, like white
men have the best pr and it'simperialism.

Nele (30:39):
Like everywhere around the world, darker people are
oppressed based off of theirproximity to whiteness.
The further you are, the moreoppressed you are.
That's anywhere you go.
That's outside of being Black.
So what are you voting for here?
I don't understand the stancethat certain marginalized people

(31:03):
getting rights and access tothings.
What does that take away fromyou?
These are things you alreadyhave.
But does that mean you actuallyhave to compete?
If now we're all on the sameplaying field, you don't have a
leg up anymore and I thinkthat's what people are trying to
hold on to.
But I just don't like to debate, but if you do have some kind

(31:26):
of platform.
You've seen the comments ontiktok, maybe coming from me.
On tiktok, like people feel theneed to challenge your views
and to me you can't challengewhy you don't recognize the
humanity and rights that peopleshould have.
No, I'm not going to argue likeyou're arguing why certain
people should be mistreated andnot have rights, and I just

(31:48):
don't.
I don't.
I think it's stupid to do thathonestly.
And so with this post trumpwell, not even post trump is
soon to be trump era again likewe're going to be encountering
these people, and how do we dothis?
And if you are someone that isan ally, what does that look

(32:08):
like?
What does allyship look like?
It's?

Soph (32:11):
tough, right.
Like you can vote for how youvote, but you know you're about
politics, sort of tearing peopleapart and I mean it's true,
right.
It's sort of like you know whodo you choose to be friends with
, like when you want to work fora company, like, what companies
do you want to work for?
They have the same values,right, and I think when it comes

(32:34):
to politics we can say that,like you know, if you voted a
certain way, you don't have mysame values.
Like you know, we want to talkabout allyship.
I don't want you painting astreet a certain way.
I don't want you wearing acertain color or something to
show support.
I need, like actual.
I need actual.

(32:54):
I need actions, right.
If you vote for someone whopromotes divisive rhetoric who
you know they want to restrictwomen's reproductive rights,
they want to pushanti-immigration policies or
oppose, you know, deiinitiatives and opportunities
for marginalized communities,you know it's difficult to
reconcile that action with trueallyship.

(33:15):
You know there's a lot he'sagainst.
That's when you hear about whathe's against that.
When you hear about what he'sagainst, he's really against
people who are not of themajority.
Like he's really against peoplewho are not white.
You know people who don't looklike him and we don't want to
say that, right Cause we're likeoh, we voted for Obama or
someone.
Someone commented I would havevoted for um, for Candace Owens,

(33:38):
yes, cause she, she says thesame faithful shit that you say
Same thing, blackface.
Next, yeah, to claim allyshipwhile supporting leaders who
want to harm these groups.
To me, that's not an ally, it'sjust there's no consistency
between your values andbehaviors.
We tend to want to consistencybetween you know, your values

(33:58):
and behaviors, like we tend towant to.
We vote based on fear, you know.
There's this, you know.
Or women's right, you know,because it's like oh well, the
Democrats, their main thing waslike on abortion, which it
wasn't right, which it wasn't,but when you think about

(34:20):
reproductive rights and how it'stied to women's rights, like
it's really critical.
You know we don't make it easyfor women to want to have kids.
Childcare is expensive.

Nele (34:27):
Girl, girl, that is my thing, right, you, the way you
have it set up, that's just howthat.
Oh, women are emotional and menare more logical.
When women are looking aroundseeing the lay of the land,
looking at this economy, andit's like, absolutely not,
where's the IUD Get out of myface, we're not doing this.

(34:48):
And then men are like, oh, butwhat about the babies, or
whatever?
What about childcare?
Childcare is the cost oftuition.

Soph (34:57):
And if it doesn't work out , guess who?
It falls on some women theyhave a true partnership.
I, you know, I'm lucky.
I have a true partnership, butnot all women do so.
The bulk of all of that fallsin.
They got to work right.
They come home.
They got to take care of thebabies.
You get pregnant.
You lose out on promotions.
You know you lose out on jobs.
You know, when we have babies,sometimes we need to go back to

(35:18):
work within 12 weeks.
We're not even healed.
There's so much that impact usand our lives are paused right.
And if we're in an abusiverelationship, it impacts our
ability to.
There's so much tied intoreproductive rights that we want

(35:38):
to think it's just straight upabortion.
How about making access to justreproductive care easy, like
you know, hospitals or justpills?
Like they just want toannihilate all of that.
You know, like you don't reallycare about us.
You know so if I'm having, ifin some of these states, if my
baby could possibly kill me,they're like fuck, you have this
baby and we'll see what happens.
You know, like the goddess.

Nele (36:04):
Like, and so, to your point, even like certain things
in terms of, like, closing thewage gap right, because if some
of us are going to be singlemothers right, that's a reality
I need to be able to make enoughto support this child, and so
you're not making it easy.
And so women, whatever powerthat we have in terms of closing
our legs, like we're just notgoing to do it.
We're not going to have thesekids and instead of being like

(36:26):
let's come to the drawing boardand figure out what we can do to
encourage it, you just want tothreaten women, you want to make
it harder.
You're not doing anything to beappealing.
The men are unsexy as hell.
Like we just don't want itanymore.

Soph (36:41):
We do not.
But then they want us right.
They want us to have these kids.
They want us to have these kids.
Why Labor shortages?
Boomers are retiring.
There are fewer people to takejobs.
Tied to that, the consumer baseFewer.
Babies need fewer people toconsume.

Nele (36:58):
We need to fuel the army, we need to populate the army.

Soph (37:03):
What's in it for us.
We're no longer okay with itbeing well.
This is go forth andappropriate.
As God said, we don't careabout that.
We care about our own health.
We care about not being underthe thumb of some man who can
control us because, hey, nowwe're pregnant and where are we
going to go?
They should learn from Japan.

(37:26):
Japan is having a crisis rightnow.
Right, in terms of their birthrate is dropping.
It dropped significantly.
So they're doing all thesethings to get women to want to
have babies, get people to wantto start families, but then, on
the other hand, like their workculture is not conducive.

(37:47):
It's crazy.
Like, like honestly, you knowwomen could do whatever they
want.
Like you could, you could.
You could work and raise afamily.
Personally, as someone who'sdone that, if I could do it over
, I don't want to work and havea family.
I don't want to do it over.
We're fed this thing wherewomen could do it.

(38:08):
No, we cannot.

Nele (38:09):
No, absolutely not.
There's this woman I workedwith.
She basically came back to thejob with an umbilical cord
hanging out.
Man, why is this?

Soph (38:19):
It should not be this way, but we feed women this story
and we've always done it foreverything.
Like you can do everything,because we've always done
everything, we'll keep the house, we'll work, we'll do this,
we'll do that.
And if I had to go back,whether it's me or my spouse,
someone is staying home withthese kids I'm not cutting like
a whole paycheck.
It's to chalk it like it's tochalk it like.

(38:46):
It's just so wild to me it is.

Nele (38:48):
It is absolutely crazy and again, instead of two incomes
to just to barely afford to havea kid.
So instead of like again,making changes to encourage you,
keep on putting things to like,stop women from escaping right
the no fault divorce.
And now you want to get womenwhen they're younger, haven't
lived life and don't know anybetter.
So some states are lowering theage of consent.

Soph (39:07):
How are you trying to lower the age of consent?
And you're doing everything toput these kids in danger, the
same people who are like, oh,all this grooming is happening,
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, let's reduce the age ofconsent.
Some oh, let's reduce the ageof consent.
It's disgusting.
Some states don't even have anage of consent, as long as your

(39:28):
parents approve of it.
But we want to complain aboutthese other countries that they
don't have women's rights orthey do this to their.
We're not too far from there.
I mean, we're not the extreme,but we're slowly getting there.

Nele (39:40):
In covert ways it's happening.
I am very scared for the futureof young women.

Soph (39:49):
And you know what's crazy to me If you are a young woman
and you go to a doctor and sayyou want to burn your tubes or
tie your tubes, they will not doit.
They will not do it.
But if you are a man and yousay the same shit, they will not
do it.
But if you are a man and yousay the same shit, gladly, yep,
like I just don't understand it.
So I can't say I don't want tohave kids, you won't do it.

(40:10):
But a man could say he doesn'twant to have kids.

Nele (40:12):
No, I have an age and you're like okay so I, I have an
iud, right, but it was.
I had to try three times.
Two times it was with blackmale doctors, right, and they
there were some concerns aboutpuncture in the uterine wall or
whatever.
But they were like, have youhad kids yet, you know?
And I was like no, whatever,and so they wouldn't service me.

(40:36):
So it wasn't until this um,white woman who was at my
primary doctor.
She was moving to this, thisother place, and I was like,
yeah, I wanted to get an ID, butI was having issues.
And she was like, yeah, maledoctors sometimes are like that,
male dinos are like that.
She was like you know, go tothis place and you'll be fine.
And it was a, it's a womencentered clinic and I got it

(40:58):
done and that was that.
But I tried twice before andmale and male doctors wouldn't
do it for me.

Soph (41:04):
Yes, maybe I'll regret it in the future, but I can't come
back and sue you.
It's my body.

Nele (41:08):
Yeah, it's my choice.
Why are you taking away mychoice?

Soph (41:11):
It's like you don't want us to have abortions, you want
to deny us access to all ofthese things, but when we want
to be proactive about it, you'relike we can't help you either.
Yeah, there's just roadblocksfor us either way.
So it's just to me you don'treally care about us.
You just care about what we canproduce and what it means for

(41:33):
society as a whole, and it'slike I'm part of society.
What about me?

Nele (41:37):
Yeah, and to your point, it's just a level of, I guess,
apathy.
If it's not me, if it doesn'taffect me directly, then I don't
care about you.
And what if we all thought thatway?
I think, particularly Blackwomen.
We fight the fight for everyone, for a lot of people, and if we
win, it opens the doors forothers as well.

(41:59):
But I think when it comes toyou know, others' plight,
marginalized people's plight,the majority or the ones that
are in power, it has nothing todo with them, so they don't care
.
And basically, that guy that Iwas telling you about when I was
making points about women'srights, he's like I have no skin
in the game, you know, when itcomes to that.

(42:20):
But you have skin in Israel andyour skin is here in Crown
Heights.
It don't make any sense.
Does he not have any women inhis life?
I?
guess not you have no nieces,you don't have any cousins, you
don't have any female friends.
What if you have a daughter?

Soph (42:37):
How does that not?
Some of them I think a lot of.
Sometimes what we don't see isthey might have issues like on a
high level, they might, oh,that's kind of, that's kind of
fucked up.
They're also like, well, itwon't happen to me, or have it
not to impact me.
Like there's a lot of women whovote for Trump, right, and they

(43:01):
think, well, if this happens tome, I have the means to go
around it, like this won'timpact me, like I and that's
what it is right.
You sort of it reminds you of.
This might be a bad analogy,but Chris Rock had this standup
where you know he was like youknow how Black women are in the
club dancing to like these crazysongs, like you know.

Nele (43:23):
Oh yeah.

Soph (43:24):
Flap with a dick, flap with a dick.
And not only I was dancing aswell.
He ain't talking about me,right?

Nele (43:32):
I can dance to this, so it's kind of like Flap it with a
dick, flap it with a dick.

Soph (43:36):
Right.
So it's like, well, thisdoesn't impact me, so I'm gonna
be fine, and that's how we thinkLike I'm going to be fine, so I
don't need to worry about that.
What I need to worry about,like, is this and this, because
everything else I'm going to beokay.
Because, if you think about it,a lot of these, some of these
women, I mean, until it happensto them, they'll be like oh shit
, you know a with underage women.

Nele (43:59):
Talk about it.

Soph (44:00):
And then they're going to get knocked up and like, oh shit
, because I'm sure a lot of themhave paid for some abortions
under the table, definitely.
So I mean, but again, right,they have power, they have
connections.
You know a lot of these rules.
It's rules for thee, not for me.

Nele (44:22):
So I guess they can do that.
Yeah, definitely, it's.
It's rules for thee, not for me, so I guess they can do that.
Yeah, definitely, I just um,it's very scary to me that
people are just so apathetic andthey just can't think outside
themselves and they can't thinkof the good of the whole.
Versus me, I, we all need tosurvive, but you don't have to

(44:44):
step on anyone's head in orderfor that to happen, and it just
concerns me and I can never.
You know, you hear about peoplethat are talking about you know
the post-election, how peopleare not friends with certain
people anymore, or maybe they'relike your spouse not your
spouse, but maybe your boyfriendor whatever a girlfriend that

(45:07):
you're seeing and at first I waslike that's a little bit
extreme, you know.
However, I totally understandwhy, Because to me, what bothers
me the most is that peopletrying to justify why people
should be treated poorly ortrying to justify why certain
people should have rights.

(45:28):
So if you're dealing with meand you know I'm a black woman,
right, I'm marginalized incertain ways yes, I have
privilege in certain ways, butalso I've been marginalized in
certain ways as well and you'resaying because of the things
that I can't change and Ideserve not to have a chance at
life, I deserve not to haveaccess.
It is wrong.

Soph (45:46):
You don't see my humanity, you know and when it comes to
people, when government startsto chip away at your right, they
don't stop at just one group.
Mm, hmm, continue going.
There's this poem that I reallylike.
It's called First they Came forMe it's the Holocaust Memorial
Day Trust.

(46:06):
First they came for thecommunists and I did not speak
out because I was not acommunist.
Then they came for thesocialists and I did not speak
out because I was not asocialist.
Then they came for the tradeunionists and I did not speak
out because I was not a tradeunionist.
Then they came for the Jews andI did not speak out because I
was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews andI did not speak out because I
was not a Jew.
Then they came for me and therewas no one left to speak out

(46:27):
for me.
So I mean, I know I like to saylike this we're all trash, but
honestly, like we're all in thistogether, like no one is immune
, once they start chipping awayat those things, they keep going
.
They keep going because thereare people who are in power and

(46:47):
for them to remain in power wehave to be downtrodden, we have
to be illiterate, we just haveto be so exhausted by everything
.
It's the only way to keep usdivided and keep people divided
through hate.
You keep people divided bysaying, hey, these immigrants,
they're your enemies, theseothers, they're your enemies.
I don't know if you saw Wickedwhen he said the best way to

(47:12):
bring people together is makingsure they have someone else to
hate the other.
And that's one way to bringpeople together.
Immigrants were that.
They're doing all.
They're stealing our jobs.
They're doing this.

Nele (47:26):
They're doing that.
Side note, I did not see Wicked.
I'm not going to pay to seeWicked Now.
I have seen the Broadway playand it was excellent.
However, I cannot stand CynthiaErivo, and so, yeah, she's an
asshole and she says somedisparaging things about
african-americans.
Meanwhile, she likes to playafrican-americans.

(47:47):
I do not support that.
You will not get my money, andso maybe if it comes on cable, I
will watch it, but I've seenthe play and that's good enough
for me.
Fuck cynthia revo.

Soph (47:58):
Okay, I have strong feelings't like her, honestly
that's the way it should be Ifyou don't support something, you
don't pay your good money forit.
I did not know that.
I did know there was, like awhile ago there was like this
thing with like British actorsand the way they talked about
certain, you know, africanAmerican actors, and to me
that's like what.

Nele (48:20):
I just feel you're a tool of white supremacy.
If you think that you're betterthan me because you have an
accent, get out of here.
I don't care.
I don't care, but you want tobe.
You want to play Harriet Tubman.
I do not approve.
My ancestors do not approvePlay some British people.
Go across the pond?

Soph (48:38):
I don't care.

Nele (48:38):
She'll snatch up anything.
She wants to play ArethaFranklin, but you want to talk
about Black people having aghetto accent.
Get out my face.
I didn't know that.
Yes, I think a lot.
There's some people that are inthe know because it happened
like a long time ago, but no,that's the way you feel.
But she's always the token onethat they're like putting up.
And Cynthia Erivo can sing yes,she can.

(49:00):
However, is devoid of a certainsoul, and I'm sure I can find
someone in bedside that can singjust as well Next.

Soph (49:07):
So Juni turned 40 this weekend.
We saw Wicked on Broadway andhe loves it.
He listens to the soundtrackall the time.
It's really good, so part ofhis celebration was to see
Wicked.
My favorite all-time soundtrackis Aida the robes.

(49:33):
I get chills every time, let metell you Heather Headley.

Nele (49:38):
Now I don't know if you remember this is a total sidebar
, but at one point Toni Braxtonwas in Aida.
Now I love Toni's voice, but Ijust feel a little bit too
sultry.
It's what?
Wait, aida, aida, I just don'tsee like Heather.

(50:15):
Heather gave me I don't know ifI even saw Heather Headley do
it, but it was so good that Igot the soundtrack, like at the,
I got the CD.
I got the CD at the showbecause it was so good.
So, it was definitely one of myfavorite.

Soph (50:34):
It was my first Broadway play so Fabian was into like
Broadway plays and doing thatstuff so he he cultured me a bit
.
Let me upgrade you a little bit, girl.
But yeah, it was so like Danceof the Robes girl.
Every time I hear it and it'sjust.

(50:56):
I love music that just not onlysounds good, it clutches at you
and like the words, you're like, oh my god.

Nele (51:04):
Like you, just like you know I'm getting getting old.
So now the tears start flowinglike thug tears.
Okay, I hear somethingbeautiful, even if the weather's
beautiful, I'm like I knowtoday is a god like I just be
like just beautiful music forpeople to think and create and
to create something that movespeople.

(51:24):
You know, my favorite artist isstevie wonder, and I got to see
him in concert.
Yeah, and I think that man hasa um, a song for every emotion,
yeah.
So even the chord progressions,what he uses, it just it gives
me tingles.
I guess it's like the asmr ofit all, like it's just this is

(51:45):
like what all Like.
It's just like ooh, what'sgoing on.

Soph (51:47):
It's so amazing, and it doesn't even matter what genre
they're.
You know they sing One of them.
Here's this album that I reallyenjoy.
Now, you know me, I'm a heathen, I'm not religious at all yeah.
Mahalia Jackson.
Is that her name?
Mahalia Mahalia Jackson Is thather name Mahalia Mahalia.
Jackson.
There's this album that I haveof hers.

(52:08):
I came across her music and Idownloaded it.
I was like, oh my God, thiswoman Girl.
She goes like Okay, we digress.

Nele (52:19):
Sorry, we digress.
Yes, yeah.
A lot of people I know sawWicked and everyone got my
speech.
I'm sorry if I was a little bittoo intense y'all, but I do not
like Cynthia.

Soph (52:31):
Erivo, if there's something you're against,
there's a way to show thatyou're against it, even if you
don't think it has an impact.
If enough people did it, thenif I knew about that, then I
might have been like I know it'syour 40th day, but yeah, what's
her name?
What's her name?

Nele (52:51):
Ariana Grande.

Soph (52:52):
Yeah, she was actually funny in it.
I know people have their beatswith her and she's just the
whole hot mess in the house.

Nele (52:59):
She is.
She's a problematic princess,but I'm kind of here for her.
I mean both the vocals, cynthiaand Ariana great vocals, I'm
sure.

Soph (53:13):
I did cry.

Nele (53:17):
I'm sure the vocals were vocaling, so I did go to the
chat GPT about how to be abetter ally, and this is for us
too, because there's othermarginalized groups that maybe
we're not a part of but to yourpoint that you talked about, um,

(53:37):
performative allyship, right,like posting a black square or
like buying a t-shirt, like noone cares about that when really
empathy and understanding andputting action into words and
not dismissing people'sexperiences, maybe that's where
you can start.
So, um, I did um have some tips, so one of them is educate

(54:04):
yourself, so learn aboutmarginalized communities and
systemic issues and policiesimpacting them.
Um, and beware of your ownbiases and privilege and how
they affect your perspective,which is really important.
Again, how we talked about.
Just because it isn't you orimpacting you directly, um

(54:24):
doesn't mean it doesn't matter,you know, um.
Another one is engage inconversations.
Now, this is where I have aproblem, because I'm getting
upset, people be bothered,people be pissing me off, and
then they want to come for thesmoke and I just don't want to
do this, but I block you.
You still want to send me thiswhole ass thesis after I blocked

(54:48):
you.
Then you want to come peoplewho come on my tiktok when I'm
just rapping about waltz, like.
So I don't want to engage inconversation with stupidity, but
I'm going to learn to beopen-minded.
So speak out against racism,sexism, xenophobia, homophobia,
transphobia and other forms ofdiscrimination in your personal
circles and practice activelistening with those who have

(55:09):
different experiences orperspectives, seeking to
understand rather than winarguments.
So I think that's importantbecause you can have a not every
stance needs to be challengedand I think if you have a strong
view, people want to challengeyou.
But just because I state itdoesn't mean it's up for us to

(55:31):
debate Our podcast, isn't?
We don't debate on this podcast.
These are the views.
If it aligns with you, italigns with you.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
I mean we'll take theengagement either way.
If you hate Wash, hate cop, I'mhere for the hate.
I'm like kendrick the geminiright, I'm kendrick tomorrow.
Okay, when it comes to thepodcast, we'll do this, but yeah

(55:53):
, um, another one is show up,attend protest rallies and
events that advocate for justiceand equality.
Um, volunteer or donate withorganizations fighting for civil
rights, immigrants rights,environmental justice or other
causes that you care about, andbe present in your local
communities to supportgrassroots movements.

(56:14):
So there are things that youcan do, right, um, for use your
privilege.
Amplify the voices of thosedirectly affected by oppressive
policies without speaking overthem.
Um, if you're in a position ofprivilege, challenge policies or
systems that marginalize othersin your workplace, school and
social settings, and I canattest to this.

(56:34):
I've definitely had a white manvouch for me when I needed
someone to stand up for me,because they were trying to hear
from this Black woman, and thatwas someone that used, you know
, whatever power they had toassist and advocate for
inclusive policies and practiceswherever you have influence.

(56:56):
And the last one is supportmarginalized communities,
patronized business owned bywomen, lgbtq individuals and
people of color.
Support individuals andmarginalized communities
emotionally, financially orthrough advocacy, and build
relationships based on trust andrespect, rather than
transactional solidarity.

(57:17):
I like that transactionalsolidarity.
That's a good point.

Soph (57:22):
I agree with all of that, but I think active listening is
one of the things I would stress, because a lot of times, as
we're listening, we are alreadyforming a rebuttal to what you
just said.
Just listen, right, like Idon't have to agree with you,

(57:43):
but I can listen to what you'resaying without being
disrespectful, without, like youknow, forming a rebuttal of
like.
Why?

Nele (57:52):
you're wrong.
You're exactly right because,again, if you're listening to
respond, and again, because wedon't experience, maybe we don't
see it we tend to, um, notbelieve people experiences.
We tend to deny them, minimizethings that have happened to
them.
And to me it's like what do youget out of that?

(58:12):
By saying, hey, your experienceis not your own.
What you're experiencing isyour imagination is very
gaslighting and it makes you noteven want to share what's going
on, and particularly the peoplethat are oppressed.
I think a lot of us areencouraged to kind of shut up
and take it, and if we talkabout our experiences, we're

(58:37):
whining and, yeah, just listen.
That's a start.

Soph (58:45):
I can seek to be a better ally as well, and I'm working on
that Each of us, we can be partof an out group, but there are
times we're part of an in groupand when we are part of that in

(59:05):
group, you know there are waysto leverage that to make sure
others are included always.

Nele (59:11):
So so moral of the story be fly, be an ally.
I just made that up, hey bars.
So y'all, um, becausethanksgiving is up, I'm not
going to be hotep, we're notgoing to be hoteptress, we're

(59:31):
going to talk about what we'rethankful for.
First of all, soph, what areyou doing for Thanksgiving?

Soph (59:38):
So I am driving to my cousin's house, so she's hosting
.
Her and her family are hosting,which I'm really grateful for.
It's not a long drive, so Idon't really have to cook I mean
, I'll probably help her cleanbut I'm really excited and it's
her first time hosting.
She's young, so it'll be cool.
She has a young family, so it'sgoing to be cool.

(01:00:01):
What are your plans?

Nele (01:00:02):
I will be in Bali or en route To Bali.
Yes, I'm leaving on Wednesday,so I don't know what the
equivalent is.
I'm going to see if I can findsome turkey on.

Soph (01:00:15):
The final turkey.
You got to be on that beachwith a drink.
And whatever they eat out thereIn Bali, that's Indonesia,
right?
Yes, whatever they eat outthere, bali, that's Indonesia.
Right, it's Indonesia.
Yes.
Whatever they eat out there,girl, just part of it, yes.

Nele (01:00:29):
All of it?
Yes, so, in the spirit, we'regoing to talk about what we're
thankful for.
You want to go first, soph?

Soph (01:00:39):
I'm thankful for this.
You know, election aside, thiswas like a really good year for
me.
There were things that I kindof wanted to do that I did.
It was just it was a good year,Like.
I think everything thathappened work-wise was good.
Personal was good, you know, wehad some really good family

(01:01:03):
trips, couple trips, so we'reall healthy relatively About to
say.
I mean physically, physicallyright, my oldest plays
volleyball, so we're alwaysseeing a specialist about some
ache, but nothing crazy.

(01:01:25):
It's all generally, allgenerally minor.
So yeah, what are you gratefulfor?

Nele (01:01:30):
first of all, I'm grateful for this podcast.
Yeah, like this is our 14thepisode and, as someone who has
tried two other podcasts before,this is the farthest we've ever
gone.
So I'm grateful for thispodcast.
I've really enjoyed it and I'mdefinitely looking forward to

(01:01:52):
what we do in 2025.
So I'm grateful for that, I'mgrateful for shelter, I'm
grateful for my job and, most ofall, I'm grateful for my job
and most of all, I'm gratefulfor my friends.
I just have dope people in mylife president company included,
of course and just this yearhas just taught me to focus on

(01:02:17):
the people that love and careabout you and make you feel safe
, and I definitely um have foundthat, and I just cherish my
friends so much, so I'm thankfulfor you all.
Yes, now we got all that mushyfeel good out the way.

(01:02:39):
You know what time it is shadyastrology time yes now, this is
a special one because Sophie'shusband is a Sagittarius.
Sorry, junie, that's not goingto be that bad.
I don't know that much aboutSagittarians so I can't really

(01:03:01):
get in that ass.
I apologize.
Let's talk about it, all right.
So the sagittarius season isfrom november 22nd to december
21st.
Um, they are a fire sign.
Their symbol is the archer.
Okay, apparently I didn'tfinish the notable celebrities,

(01:03:22):
but your girl t swizzle, taylorswift, she is a saggy.
I think mickey minaj is one too, and um, I have taylor swift
and samuel l jackson.
That's it, ciao.
So let's talk about the goodthings, all right.
So and sophie, you can let meknow how true this is All right.

(01:03:46):
So some of the good things.
They're adventurous.
Sagittarians will book aspontaneous trip to Iceland
because flights were on sale andsomehow talk you into going to.
They make life exciting, evenif your hey, all right, I know

(01:04:07):
like a couple of Sagittarians.

Soph (01:04:10):
I don't know.
Let's see if this fits them Allright.

Nele (01:04:12):
Two optimistic they could be stuck in the rain with a flat
tire and still say it's fine,at least we're getting fresh air
.
The glass isn't just half fullit's overflowing with tequila.
I think that's true.

Soph (01:04:25):
I think that's true, yeah, that's true.

Nele (01:04:29):
Three they're funny as hell.
Sagittarius is the class clownof the Zodiac.
They'll roast you into oblivion, but you'll be laughing so hard
you won't even mind, okay, fourhonest, if you want the truth,
sag has you covered.
Yes, those jeans make your buttlook weird.

(01:04:50):
No, I don't think your ex issecretly still in love with you.
Brutal Sure, absolutely.
Yes, yeah, that's true.
And five independent they don'tneed you or anyone else to
validate them.

(01:05:11):
Sagittarians will happily headto a concert solo or try
skydiving without askinganyone's opinion.
Freedom is their love language.
Okay, now let's get to theshady stuff.
This is where I saySagittarians are for the streets
.
Junie must have some earth inhis chart that makes him

(01:05:31):
grounded and loyal.
No, absolutely not.
Okay.
One commitment issues.
You thought you were planning afuture together, but
Sagittarius will already behalfway out the door, literally
on a flight to Peru.
I know that's right.
I definitely gave like.
I have you asking people likewhat's your sign?
I'm like.
You say Sagittarius, I'm gonnagive you the side eye.

(01:05:54):
You here for a good time, not along time.
I added that in there, okay.
Next one blunt to a honesty isgreat, but do you really need to
tell Aunt Linda?
Her potato salad tastes likesadness at the family barbecue.

Soph (01:06:13):
We will do that.
I can see Junie doing thatSomething tastes like sadness.

Nele (01:06:22):
All right, all right.
Another one, one reckless.
Um, as fuck, they'll buy amotorcycle, adopt a pet snake
and invest in crypto.
Oh, that is so true about thecrypto.
All in one afternoon, planningand practicality.
Never heard of her.
So true, okay, look the onesagittarian no, I know two, but

(01:06:45):
the one I kind of know like he.
Just be like, you have a jobsir why are you doing all this?
like stuff like you be sellingstuff on like Fulton Street,
like, oh, I bought this ComicCon passes, so let me go in um
you know West 4th Street and beselling them to people.
What is wrong with you, sir?

Soph (01:07:01):
no, jenny's like he'll, he'll plan something to death,
mm-hmm, he'll plant it out todeath.
But he's very entrepreneurialright.
So he had the photography thingand then he had things.
So stuff like that he'll do,but he'll look at the financial
side of it.
He's adventurous.
That's how we got our cat.

(01:07:22):
Though he was driving back fromsomewhere in upstate New York,
he saw some free kittens.
And he was like okay, I'll givesome free kittens.
And he survived it.
So that's how we got Nugget.

Nele (01:07:36):
Aw, sir Nugs, God bless him.
I'm going to see him next year,yeah.

Soph (01:07:44):
He had surgery but he's good.

Nele (01:07:48):
Next one they're flaky.
Sagittarius will swear they'llcome to your party, then text
you three hours later from arooftop bar across town.
Omg, I totally forgot Raincheck.

Soph (01:08:02):
No but.
Junie be like I don't want todo nothing, I don't want to go
nowhere.
That's us being old child likeI don't want to do nothing, I
don't want to go nowhere.
That's us being an old child.
Okay, what sign you want he belike?

Nele (01:08:10):
you know, I'm just not going to do it like you don't
want to do it he was our fifthhousemate and actually he should
have just been the fourth wecould have.
I'm not going to talk aboutthat, but we could have replaced
her.
I'm just saying the commitmentpiece.
No, no, he got something else inhis chart, girl, because these
saggies before the shoot, theywant to do it, but you'd rather

(01:08:33):
Be free.
So he got something else goingon.
You got a good man, savannah, agood man, okay, alright, y'all.
So that's it for today'sepisode.
We hope that you all have agood holiday.
You wear your stretchy pants,eat all the turkey and don't

(01:08:56):
trust that potato salad with theraisins.
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