June 12, 2025 • 46 mins
Dr. Sheila Jackson shares her transformational journey from corporate success at General Motors to ministry, teaching us how to recognize God's voice and sustain our confession of faith through life's challenges.
• Learning to recognize God's voice through consistent prayer and relationship
• Discovering your divine purpose by spending time with God and being open to His direction
• Miraculous testimony of being healed from cancer twice without medical intervention
• The importance of watching your words and standing on God's promises
• Addressing why some believers receive healing while others don't
• Spiritual disciplines that strengthen faith: prayer, Bible study, meditation, and confession
• Finding the right community and teachers to support spiritual growth
• Taking risks with God who "cannot fail you"
Connect with Dr. Sheila Jackson on Facebook under Joshua 2715 or Wind Spirit Soul, on Instagram @DrSheila, or email at windspiritsoul28@yahoo.com to learn more about spiritual maturity and growing in God.
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Cassandra (00:00):
Good day out there to all of my listeners and I'd
like to welcome you to Is yourWay In your Way podcast and I'm
your host.
My name is Cassandra CrawleyMayo and for many of my
listeners out there, you knowthat the name of my podcast is
also the name of my book titledIs your Way In your Way, and
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this podcast are for individualsor I say women, but also men
that are stuck.
You know within your heart ofhearts that your soul is calling
you to do something, dosomething different than what
you're doing.
It's like you have an emptinessand you just can't figure it
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out.
You know there's some that sayyou know what?
I always wanted to write a book, but you've not done it.
Or I wanted to change jobs, or Iwanted to get a promotion.
I want to move, I want to getout of this toxic relationship.
Just a number of things, yourdreams and all your aspirations,
and it's not done.
You've not made that move.
So that's why this podcast hasbeen created and goes live so
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that you can start what I wouldsay relate to personal
development, personalimprovement, even enable you to
reflect on some of the thingsthat are being said, that I am
always prayerful that it'll besomething that will enable you
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to say, aha, there it is,Somebody reach my soul, reach my
heart, and I am ready to make amove on it.
So today, our podcast title istitled Sustaining Our Confession
, sustaining our confession offaith.
And who better to talk aboutthis as my special guest, Dr
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Sheila Jackson?
Dr Sheila, how are you today?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (01:52):
I'm great, Cassandra.
Thanks for having me on yourpodcast.
Thank you.
Cassandra (01:58):
Yes, my honor, it's my honor.
Now, one of the things, drSheila, that I will do for my
audience.
I want to read a little bit ofyour bio so they will have a
point of reference and kind ofunderstand, as we do this, have
this conversation, to see whywe're diving this way or that
way based on your background.
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So Dr Sheila EdD is atransformational leader,
educator and minister with over20 years in the ministry and 15
years in corporate leadership atGeneral Motors.
She holds advanced degrees intransformational leadership and
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business administration and hastaught as a business instructor
and GED educator.
She's the founder of the whenSpirits Sow Prophetic School.
Dr Jackson has shared propheticteachings globally, including in
Nigeria, and serves with theProphetic Empowerment Network.
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She calls it like the PENthat's the acronym for it for
she's a devoted mother,grandmother and mentor.
She continues to inspire othersand her impactful ministry and
leadership.
So that's a little bit abouther, but that's not who she is,
and we're going to find out whoin the world is Dr Sheila
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Jackson and kind of talk abouther trajectory to get her to
where she is today.
So, dr Sheila, hey, audience,I'm going to say listeners, dr
Sheila, dr Jackson, I'll be allover the place, but I'm going to
put it's going to be the DrSheila, dr Jackson, just so
you'll know.
Hey, listen, before you workedfor GM, general Motors, as a
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corporate buyer.
What was life like before youeven started working in the
corporate world?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (03:48):
Wow, I was always ambitious.
I always knew that I wanted togo into business.
I think before General Motors Iwas a recruiter.
I dabbled in that for a littlebit and in fact, how I got into
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General Motors I, the HRdirector and I were having a
conversation and he asked me.
He said have you ever thoughtabout coming and working for us?
Sheila?
And I never did.
I was doing well, I never did.
Cassandra (04:38):
And.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (04:38):
I thought about it and I thought, and I
thought, hmm, hmm, and he saidbut I'm not sure you'll be happy
.
He said you, you like yourindependence All right, I like
to come and go when I want toset my own hours.
And eventually I said yes, Igot hired in December.
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Anyone that has ever worked forthe automotive industry knows
they take a three week shutdown.
So I worked one week and andthen we were down for the rest
of December.
I thought, ok, I can do this.
I can do this.
I loved it.
It was a challenge, but GeneralMotors was very good to me,
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extremely good to me.
I thought that I would stayforever.
Oh, ok, uh-huh, uh-huh, don'tyou love it?
The closer I grew in myrelationship with him, I
discovered the other plan for mylife.
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And, um, I willingly said yes,you know, I, I had visions of
grandeur.
I, I it's still.
You know, I had this, this isthe plan, God, okay, I'll do
this, but this is the it's still.
You know, I had this.
This is the plan.
God, okay, I'll do this, butthis is the way it's going to go
.
It's to say, so listen.
Cassandra (06:11):
So I'm curious Um, did you have any dreams and
aspirations before working forthem?
No, okay, all right.
So all right, fair enough.
I had friends that, so allright, fair enough.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (06:25):
I had friends that worked for General
Motors, so I knew about GeneralMotors working for them.
I knew that they paid well.
I knew that they paid well.
Yeah, at that time in my life,at that time in my life, it was
all about the dollar, Sure, thedollar.
Cassandra (06:45):
Sure.
So yeah, so what inspired youto leave that lucrative job and
pursue your passion?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (06:56):
Oh, wow.
You know, I always would tellmy the majority of my friends in
my earlier years who wereteachers and they used to say,
sheila, you are.
And I was like, yeah, no, I'm,I'm not teaching nothing, I
don't want to be a teacher.
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No absolutely not.
But again, as I allow myrelationship with the Lord
growing more in love and wantingto do the things that please
God, I surrendered what I wantedand was willing to do, what the
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Lord asked me, and that was toteach you know, to go into to
ministry.
And it became a joke with myfriends and they would say,
Sheila, you always trying toteach somebody something.
We'd ask you one question andyou would go step one, step two.
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But I never saw that in myself.
I never, ever saw that inmyself.
I didn't recognize it was anatural ability coming out of me
an innate talent.
Cassandra (08:10):
yeah, yeah, now you know you said something and I
know that a lot of andpersonally I have too.
You know you always many for me.
I used to say God, what is itthat you want me to do?
You know I would always saythat.
And how do you, how do you knowwhat it is that he wants you to
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do?
You know, it's like you know,like like I used to always hear
God speaks first, the devilspeaks next.
You know if he says it first.
So what are some ways thatpeople can figure out what it is
that God would have them to do?
Because, as I indicated beforewe came on, my mission is to
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inspire a generation of women tostart living their best life on
their terms, and what that isis what is it that they're
ordained to do?
Like you mentioned, we all havea gift, we all have a talent
and we're not quite sure what itis really.
So tell the listeners.
How can one figure out, want tohear what the Lord wants you to
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do?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (09:33):
You have to believe God is a good father,
that he loves you and thatthere's nothing he won't do to
get you to the place where notonly he is happy but you will be
happy.
And for me, as a believer,that's a place of prayer.
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So that's how I started off.
I started off building arelationship with prayer and the
Lord told me.
He said I want you to beconsistent.
He said that's the key, andrecognizing my voice versus
anyone else's voice.
He said be consistent.
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So if you tell me you're goingto meet me in prayer Monday,
tuesday, wednesday, thursday,friday then I'm going to expect
you to be there Monday, tuesday,wednesday, thursday and Friday.
He said I want you to talk tome first and then I want you to
learn to be quiet and wait on meto speak to you.
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I want you to expect me tospeak to you.
And that's what I did.
I started a prayer, disciplinedlife and I would commune with
God Monday through Friday,consistently the same time.
So it's not haphazardly.
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And I'm questioning is this God, is this me?
I began that and then I beganto get into the word more.
Instead of being a spoon fedChristian, I decided OK, I'm
going to take responsibility forlearning the word of God so
I'll know when the enemy'strying to trick me.
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Does it align with scripture?
Can I find God's principle orGod's word, doing and saying the
same thing?
And if I can do that, itbecomes a check and a balance.
One example I told my son Iremember when he hit teenage
years and he wanted to stopcalling me mom in public and
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call me Sheila, and I saidabsolutely not.
He said why we're out in public.
All the moms are going to turntheir head.
Cassandra (11:56):
I said I know your voice.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (11:58):
I said I know your voice because I spent
time with you.
I spent time.
I said it doesn't matter howfar you're away, I know how you
talk.
I know the dictions of certainwords.
I know your tone and it's thesame way I'm getting to know
God's voice.
You spend enough time inrelationship.
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You know God's voice.
It becomes easier and easier.
It's like talking to yourfavorite person on the phone.
Cassandra (12:33):
Yeah, they could call you from a different phone.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (12:34):
a different phone number, but you know their
voice Exactly, and so you'renot shaken when, if a different
number pops up, because you knowtheir voice.
Cassandra (12:42):
You know the voice.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (12:43):
There's a relationship over time Wow.
Yeah, it's the same way.
God will make sure that you arevery secure that it is him
talking to you, it is him givingyou directions in your life and
you become more confident, youhave more, greater faith and
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trust that he's not going toallow you to be led astray.
Allow you, particularly in ababy, in our infancy stage, when
we're learning that's a good,good parent, that's what good
parents do.
They guard us on that journeyuntil we're strong enough to be
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able to make a decision.
No, that's not God.
That's me.
No, that's not God, that'sdemonic voices.
Cassandra (13:33):
Okay, that's like the title sustaining our confession
of faith.
Yeah Right, you know you saidsomething that is so true.
That is so true when I askedthe question how do you know
what it is that God would haveyou to do?
And you said if you really wantto know.
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I mean really want to know.
You got to ask them and you gotto spend time with it, you know
.
And then you want to have thatcommitment.
You're like, okay, all right.
And I have this chapter in mybook and the title of that
chapter is Dear Women whoquestioned whether there was a
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God.
And in that chapter it was veryinteresting how God revealed to
me in that chapter how real hewas.
So you know, and at the end ofthe chapter I kind of do a
synopsis of what God says andone of the things he said if you
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are open to really want to knowme, try me.
But you have to be open.
And when you said that, thatjust resonated with me and, I'm
certain, with many of mylisteners, like, do you really
want to live your life as youare ordained to do so.
Because I always say we're nothere just to be here.
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We have a reason why we arehere.
And once we identify that,that's when your soul will be at
rest, that's when you havepeace and things can change over
time.
So I loved it when you said,okay, god said you got to be
consistent.
First of all, you want to prayand I'm going to pray Monday,
tuesday, wednesday, thursday,friday, so you know.
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So what confirmed that you aredoing the right thing?
What was the?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (15:32):
confirmation , kept finding myself in
ministries teaching everyone.
So you know, it didn't matterthe church I was in.
I would always be asked wouldyou teach, do you mind teaching?
Going through teachers,training, ok, the very thing
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that I didn't want to do.
People recognize the gift I did.
Okay, that's good.
Because my value system is I'mgoing where the money is Right
yes.
I'm going where the money is.
And God had to.
The love for him became greaterthan what I.
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You know.
I was willing to trust himenough because I was falling in
love.
No different in the natural.
The more we fall in love with,you know what they do like.
Cassandra (16:30):
Yeah.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (16:31):
Love.
You Trust them.
You trust them.
They've got your best interestsat heart, and so I began to
trust God that he had my bestinterests at heart.
He wasn't going to lead meastray.
And other people began toconfirm no, you were born to
this, you were born to teach,and I fell in love with teaching
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.
I fell in love with teaching, Iacknowledge.
Oh man, I love this I love this.
Cassandra (16:57):
That is a beautiful testament, wow.
Well, look, I know, because ofthe relationship I have with God
, as you're rewarded, and I'dlike to know you know the people
that you have witnessed to whatare some of the rewards of
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witnessing the God you only readabout.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (17:24):
Oh, my gosh.
God has blessed me tremendouslyto be a spiritual mom and a
mentor, and I've watched peoplegrow in God, grow in love with
God, find out what they werecreated to do.
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I've watched and witnessed Goduse me in miraculous
intervention, praying forhealing, giving a word of
knowledge or a word of wisdom,and so the more I yielded and
gained knowledge about the verygiftings and what the Lord
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wanted me to do, he allowed meto see the manifestation of
those things in other people andit has been a tremendous honor,
a tremendous I'm in awe.
A tremendous honor, atremendous, I'm in awe.
You know, last year I did myfirst crusade in Africa and it
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bought me to my knees.
I had never, ever experienced10,000 people hungry for the
word.
Cassandra (18:34):
Wow.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (18:35):
And to think that God would allow me to be a
part of it, that he wouldsustain my life, he would lead
and guide me, even when mydecision was I don't want to go
left.
I don't want to go left, Likeno, no, you're going left.
Cassandra (18:55):
Yeah.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (18:56):
Yeah, allow me to witness that.
So it has been an honor towatch people blossom, because I
know what it is to be hungry, towant something, to want to be
validated, to want to berecognized, to want to see the
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promises of God, to really wantto see what the word says Not
just saying, I'm not justtalking it but God allows you to
witness.
There's nothing greater thanthat, nothing, right, right.
Cassandra (19:35):
Do you have a story of someone that you witnessed to
, where you've seen themiraculous?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (19:44):
Oh God, yes, Could you share one of those?
Well, you know, I'll give myown personal first.
So I've had been diagnosed withcancer twice and the first time
I used to have a running jokewith the Lord because cancer was
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what tried to destroy mylineage.
And I used to have a runningjoke with the Lord no knife is
cutting on these, no knife.
I didn't know.
I was establishing faith rightthen.
I was just telling the Lordbecause I didn't have a
scripture.
I used to just say, lord, andno knife cutting here, no, no
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knife.
And a year before theydiagnosed the first time, the
Lord told me to go to thishealing school and sit up under
this pastor for one year.
He had a healing ministry andhe taught people how to build
your faith to believe.
Cassandra (20:49):
And.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (20:50):
I went, didn't know, the following year
I would get a diagnosis and Idiscovered the love I had on a
wool dress and I just happenedto rub my arm.
You know that's got.
You got a wool.
You can't usually feel alone,right?
And I heard the spirit of theLord say go to the doctor.
I went to the doctor, butbefore then I'm standing in
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praise and worship at my sir atthe church and I hear the spirit
of God say if you stand on myword, I'm going to heal you.
He said I'll heal you if youstand on my word.
He said watch your words, watchyour words.
Cassandra (21:31):
Okay.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (21:31):
And so I did exactly what God told me to do.
I stood on the word.
I found a scripture on healingand I began to say it to my own
body.
I began to say it to my ownbody.
I asked the Holy Spirit towatch.
Let me hear every time I wassaying something that went
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against the very prayer that Iwas saying.
So I had to watch my casualconversation when people would
say I would share with certainpeople, and they would say, well
, Sheila, how you doing?
What's the doctor saying?
I tell people.
I had to learn to say what thedoctor said, but God said, but
God said that's right.
And people would think you know, okay, right, but I didn't care
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.
You have to get to a point thatyou don't care.
And so God, miraculously,miraculously, healed me.
I couldn't even tell you whenthe lump disappeared.
I went to the because I had togo through all the all the
testing.
Cassandra (22:33):
I had to ask you that .
Dr. Sheila Jackson (22:34):
Yeah, had to walk through all of that.
Had to walk through all of that.
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Even God was allowing.
Jackson, you're always smilingwhen you come in here.
God's allowing me to be awitness because if I'm going to
stand on his word, I got to walklike it.
Yeah, and she said she saidbefore she caught herself.
She said I don't see anything,she's not, wasn't supposed to
tell me.
The surgeon was supposed totell me.
Okay, she caught herself.
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She said oh no, but wait, wait,wait until wait until the
doctor comes in and he'll, youknow, he'll go over with you.
I knew right then God hadalready done it and you had
chemo and all of that.
I didn't have to go throughchemo.
Didn't have to do that, really,wow.
Didn't have to go through anyof that.
I stood on the word of God.
Cassandra (23:48):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (23:49):
Every time I meditated on God's word so I
can paint a picture in my ownheart.
I had to be fully persuaded.
Paint a picture in my own heart.
I had to be fully persuaded, Ihad to make sure that my mouth
wasn't saying what the enemy wastrying to tell me.
Your mother had it, your aunthad it, your grandmother had it.
Cassandra (24:12):
It's in the family genetic right.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (24:16):
Even well-intentioned believers
Welled.
They had good intentions, butthey weren't.
They weren't willing to fightor go through what God had told
me.
He told me you know, everybodyhas their own process.
I said no knife.
Cassandra (24:33):
God said okay, no knife means no knife.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (24:36):
That means I had to stand to say no, no, I'm
right.
I'm not going through surgery.
I'm not going through none ofthat, so that was the first time
, then 2018, it came back again.
Oh my, and I used to have agirlfriend at the time she's
gone on to be with the Lord andI would call her and I said girl
, let's come back.
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I need you to go before theLord.
Our running joke was I need youto get in sackcloth and ashes.
Cassandra (25:02):
So yeah, I was serious.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (25:04):
Yes, he said OK, I'm going into prayer.
She went into prayer.
She came back within a coupleof days.
She said God said the sameanointing that healed you the
first time is the same anointingthat's going to heal you the
second time.
And I said that's all I needand I was ready to fight.
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So I geared up, ready to fightagain the enemy that was trying
to bring it back to this body.
When I said no knife, I had tostand my ground, stand my ground
.
I ended up having the same techthat saw me the first time was
the same tech that saw me thesecond time.
That's God.
He was strategicallypositioning me.
So even when the surgeon cameback, he said Miss Jackson, I
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can't explain this.
He said you know, I don't.
He was stumbling for his words.
He said do you know what I saw?
Yes, god healed me.
He said yeah, yeah.
I said no, no, he got healed,god healed me.
So I had to learn if I'm goingto, if I'm going to.
Healing looks different toeverybody, but I wanted to see
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the miraculous power of God.
That was where I stood my ground, and so it was from there.
God would give me a word ofknowledge about someone that was
having a sickness in their body, and I would pray about it and
I would watch God heal theminstantly.
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You know, so he taught me he isa healer.
Cassandra (26:44):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (26:46):
And that God's best, that is, that we
witness the word.
I don't want to just hear theword keep telling who God is,
but I'm not.
I'm not witnessing it.
That's not scripture, that'snot the fullness of the word
being manifested.
Well, if it's not beingmanifested, where's the hold up?
Cassandra (27:09):
Right, exactly.
So, you are living, walkingtestimony.
So what a man thinketh is whohe is Right.
So we know how powerful that is, oh my God, and when I think
about it, when I think about it,it's so good to be amongst
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individuals that are like-mindedand those you have to know.
You know, I.
I remember when, um, um, thedisciples were, uh, was it
bothameus?
I can't remember letting himdown on the roof.
He, he needed to be here yes,right, and then?
there were other individuals inthe room that says, yeah, right,
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god had to get them out becausehe didn't want anybody around
him or them.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (28:05):
That would be the same way with us.
Exactly.
You've got to know who's aroundyou when you're fighting your
biggest battle.
Cassandra (28:13):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (28:14):
Yes.
Cassandra (28:14):
Yes, that's so true, my sustaining, sustaining our
confession of faith.
Listen, um, um I you.
Sharing that story reminded meof a friend of mine who was a
strong believer as well, and shesaid I shall not die but live.
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Okay, she started out withbreast cancer and God took her
and I was devastated, and I'vetalked to individuals that get
angry because, like you'retalking, well, he did it for her
, but he didn't do it for me.
It's like, okay, I'm seekinghim, I'm asking for his
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anointing, his help to help mestart doing what it is that he's
called me to do.
They're doing it for them, butthey didn't do it for me.
So then they become discouraged.
What would you tell mylisteners that have gone through
those situations or experiencedthem?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (29:17):
And I, you know I have.
I have two.
I've lost some very dearfriends.
One of the things that the Lordtold me he said you're in a war
and there are casualties of war.
There are always casualties ofwar, and so that stuck with me.
I also believe that we don'tknow why it did not happen.
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You know, I've had friends thatI thought, oh my God, they were
strong in God, da, da da.
You don't know why.
That's where trust comes in.
I don't like it, god, but Itrust you.
It don't feel good to me, but Itrust you.
You know there are going to becasualties of war and just as
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they're casualties of war, god'sgoing to make sure that his
word is validated.
Lost a great mentor and a greatfriend that way.
One of the reasons so she hadbeen a two-time cancer person
also, and last time it came backshe was ashamed and prideful,
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didn't want people to know andshe kept it, even from me, and
the lord told me don't you say aword, because he was trying to
let her see pride.
When you open break laws, youbreak the laws of God, but then
you expect God will not breakthe law for anyone.
Cassandra (30:52):
Right no respect of person.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (30:55):
Yeah, Two weeks before everything got real
bad, I had called her becauseshe had cut off all of our
relationship.
Yeah, and I called her and Iknew it and the Lord said, and
pain me, I couldn't say anythingbecause the Lord said, no,
don't say anything.
And it was probably a weeklater.
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She called me.
She said I've got cancer.
I said I've been knowing thatbut the Lord wouldn't let me say
anything.
And the Lord told me he saidpride kept her in bondage.
She would not ask for helpbecause you wanted her name.
Yes, I said make your name of noreputation.
It's God's name.
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You know you've got to be in aplace.
You don't care what nobodythinks, Right, you don't care
what nobody, what they know whatthey're talking about.
You ain't got time for that.
That's low level thinking, youknow, and so you cannot be
concerned.
You have, I've made up my mind,God.
(31:58):
They didn't survive it, but I'mgoing to be a witness.
You keep saying, okay, you tellGod, you pour out your heart,
all of those things, and then,once you spit out all of that,
then you glorify his namebecause he's still God, he's
still God, he's still in themiraculous business, he still
(32:19):
can make a way out of no way.
And you have to decide.
I'm going, god, use me.
Use me to show other peoplethat it is possible.
No, it didn't happen.
I can't change that but I cantell a different story.
Yes, yeah, yeah and so we allhave that decision.
Tell a different story, becausewe only have one enemy, that's
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the devil.
God didn't bring that sickness.
God didn't, didn't do that.
We equate that.
God no, no.
God said no, no, that was notmy doing.
I tell people you can't liveeven unhealthy lives and then
all of expect the word to domiraculous things.
God gives you wisdom.
(33:03):
You break laws.
You break laws.
There are consequences.
You break down the defenses inthe body.
You know all of us havegenerational curses of some kind
of sickness.
You got to draw the line andsay not here not here.
Not only speaking it, but I'mdoing the things that I need to
(33:25):
do in the natural.
Yeah, so we're ensure that itdoesn't come near my dwelling.
And so if it means I've got togive up cookies, if it means
I've got to exercise and that'swhat the Lord he said do your
part.
Yes, that's right, I'll do mypart.
Faith without works is big.
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Oh my God.
Yeah, you know we want to liveas believers.
Um, by miracles.
Miracles aren't for thebelievers.
God will give us, but they'renot a way, a lifestyle for us.
They're for the unbeliever.
I'm supposed to believe as abeliever, yes, yeah, why that's
interesting?
Cassandra (34:04):
yeah, because, dr sheila, I was reading my
devotions this morning and wastalking about adversity.
Another way of looking at it isit's a way of lifting you
higher to what it is that Godwould have us to do.
And I think about some of myguests who had death in the
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family moms, you know,unexpected death but out of that
they're doing something amazingbecause of that traumatic,
heartbreaking experience.
So if you, if you, what do theysay?
If you faint?
Not, that's the thing, rightthere.
I mean because there arestruggles in life.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (34:47):
He said it was that's life In this world.
You're going to have trouble.
Cassandra (34:50):
Yeah, but if you faint not, that's the whole
thing, if you faint not, and sowith that, um, we talked a bit
about so.
So people like, okay, so howcan I hear from God?
How?
So how can I hear from God?
How, how do I hear?
And you talked about readingand studying and praying and how
(35:16):
God knows our voice, you know.
So tell my listeners again, howcan they hear from God?
It's not a cookie cutter thing.
It will not happen overnight.
Now, new babes I remember whenI became a new babe in christ,
stuff was happening like oh mygosh, god, he saved me from this
, he did me this, I got thisgreat, I got this.
(35:38):
And then one day he took me offthe mill.
Yeah, and man, oh man, oh man,oh man.
So just share with my listeners.
How does someone, how can theyhear from?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (35:53):
God.
I think there are many ways wecan hear Personally.
You have to develop your ownpersonal relationship with the
Lord, and that comes throughreading and studying the word
and in prayer.
There are spiritual principlesthat strengthen us in our
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spiritual walk.
The Bible says how can theyhear without a preacher?
I must now put myself in aposition as a student, learning,
going back to school andallowing the spirit of the Lord
to assign me to a teacher,someone that's teaching the
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gospel.
That what I am hearing fromsomeone that has the knowledge
and the experience to help megrow because I'm not a teacher
this is out of my, this is outof my lane.
I can't teach what I don't know.
And so I must now humble myselfconsistently, you know, sit up
(36:59):
under who the spirit of the Lordis leading and guiding me, you
know, and that means being apart of church.
Yes, you can't, you know.
Yes, the Internet is wonderfuland fine, but you must be around
like believers, because they'regoing to help you grow too.
Cassandra (37:18):
You talk to me, girl.
Get off that Internet Right.
Be amongst the people.
Fellowship, yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (37:26):
You know, you give out and you receive.
And that's the iron, sharpeningiron.
So I learn a scripture.
Then the teacher, the HolySpirit, says now I got to see if
you know that scripture.
So he places us with people.
Yes, you know, I tell people.
It's like learning yourtimetables.
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You don't know two times two isfour, consistently, until you
put in a position to practice it.
You don't know love is untilyou're put in position to
practice it.
Yes, patience is until you putin position to practice.
Cassandra (38:01):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (38:02):
Yes, and so it is those spiritual
disciplines reading and studyingthe word, prayer, meditation,
meditation helps us to paint apicture on our heart.
And then our confession, makingour confession of faith daily.
Why?
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Because I'm painting a newreality.
I didn't get where, where I amin negative behavior, negative
speech, overnight, so now I'vegot to be willing to take the
time to relearn some things,learn, learn different, learn
some new stuff.
(38:45):
Exactly, exactly what it is,what does it mean to be a child
of God, what it is to be a partof God's kingdom?
You know, it's no differentthan moving from one country to
another country.
Every country has their ownlaws.
Well, if I'm in the kingdom ofGod, I've got to know what the
laws are in God's kingdom.
Cassandra (39:04):
How do?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (39:05):
I rule my life.
You know how do I?
How do I know if I'm doing theright thing?
Cause the world could say blackis blue and if I'm not careful
I'm so used to going along withthe majority I said well, you
know it could be, and no onesaid no, no, black is black.
Cassandra (39:22):
That's right.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (39:24):
It's black.
So that's the renewing our mind.
You know, consecration and um,setting myself apart to learn
everything that I need to learnwhy?
Because I want the success lifethat god says that is to be
mine, not just for us, but forour family right.
Cassandra (39:46):
It's like if you don't stand for something,
you'll stand for anything.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (39:49):
Oh my gosh.
Cassandra (39:51):
Yes, yes, I tell you, Dr Sheila Jackson.
What I want to say is thank youfor your word, Thank you for
the anointing that has comeacross these airways.
And just imagine the otherindividuals that aren't
listening now but will listen onand on as time goes on.
(40:15):
And this is what I'll say Ifyou are in a place my audience
and my listeners that you, justyou know, you know that it is
something that you should bedoing and you need help doing it
.
And then, when you get to thepoint where you're like sick and
tired of being where you are,do what Dr Shields talked about
(40:42):
today Get to know the Lord, readhis word, meditate on it, study
it, and don't say you don'thave time, because, guess what?
God is a redeemer.
I know for myself he is aredeemer of time.
So I ask you, what do you haveto lose?
(41:02):
Yeah, Try it.
You know what do you have tolose?
And that's kind of when I said,that's what I said in my book
dear women, have you everquestioned whether there was a
God?
You may not say it out loudbecause you don't want people to
think that.
but I said it out loud, becauseI questioned, because, as Dr
(41:24):
Sheila said, we all go throughtrials and tribulations and
sometimes things will get sotough and so rough.
And that's why I said what doyou have to lose?
Just try him.
Dr Sheila, how can my so?
Okay, you're a teacher.
(41:44):
You travel country to Africa toteach.
What is it?
What service could my listenersthat are interested in you and
the things that you stand for,how could they get in touch with
you?
And when they do, what can theyexpect?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (42:16):
expect.
I am on Facebook under Joshua2715.
That's my Facebook name.
My ministry is also under whenSpirit Soul.
They can contact me on Facebook.
I'm on Instagram under DrSheila Instagram under Dr Sheila
.
The email is windspirit soul28at Yahoo.
(42:37):
My niche in the kingdom is toteach spiritual maturity.
I teach about the gift of theprophetic, but the bulk of what
I teach is how to grow up in God.
How to grow up in God.
Grow up in God, yes.
Cassandra (42:58):
Beautiful.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (42:59):
Yes, Beautiful, I love it.
One of the things let me share,Cassandra, that the Lord told
me and he's been reiterating itfor the last three years that if
you want something you neverhad, you've got to be willing to
do what you have yet to do.
And so, for the listeningaudience, when you really want
something you've never had,you're willing to go the extra,
(43:24):
the extra you know to get it.
You know we all can have anexcuse.
Don't listen to that report.
We already listened to our ownsoul.
We've already listened to theenemy.
Believe me, I told the lordlord you know how old I am.
He said I don't need you totell me how old.
(43:44):
You are Right, Because I know,I know that's right.
Cassandra (43:49):
I can restore you.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (43:50):
I'm the keeper of you.
Do your part and I will ensurethat you live out what I've
called you to do in the earth.
And I continue to be amazed.
And you know, let God take arisk that cannot fail on God.
Take a risk.
He will never fail you.
(44:13):
He will never fail you.
You keep saying that toyourself.
God, she said you won't fail me.
Yeah, right, and watch God,watch God.
Cassandra (44:27):
Yes, wow, wow, wow.
This was very encouraging and,like I said, anointed, and I am
so grateful for your presence.
You're speaking into theairways to my listeners and I
know, I know it's somethingyou've said that has resonated
with somebody, some bodies thatare listening, and for my
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audience, I got always say youknow how to get in touch with Dr
Sheila and I always pray thatyou will get something from this
podcast and I ask you if infact, you've enjoyed it and you
want more of it, click I like itand click subscribe and share
(45:15):
it with your friends and, like Ialways, say bye for now and God
bless you all and Dr Sheila.
Thank you so much.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (45:25):
Thank you, cassandra, thank you so much.
I've truly enjoyed it, trulyenjoyed it.
Good day out there to all of my listeners and I'd
like to welcome you to Is yourWay In your Way podcast and I'm
your host.
My name is Cassandra CrawleyMayo and for many of my
listeners out there, you knowthat the name of my podcast is
also the name of my book titledIs your Way In your Way, and
(00:20):
this podcast are for individualsor I say women, but also men
that are stuck.
You know within your heart ofhearts that your soul is calling
you to do something, dosomething different than what
you're doing.
It's like you have an emptinessand you just can't figure it
(00:41):
out.
You know there's some that sayyou know what?
I always wanted to write a book, but you've not done it.
Or I wanted to change jobs, or Iwanted to get a promotion.
I want to move, I want to getout of this toxic relationship.
Just a number of things, yourdreams and all your aspirations,
and it's not done.
You've not made that move.
So that's why this podcast hasbeen created and goes live so
(01:07):
that you can start what I wouldsay relate to personal
development, personalimprovement, even enable you to
reflect on some of the thingsthat are being said, that I am
always prayerful that it'll besomething that will enable you
(01:28):
to say, aha, there it is,Somebody reach my soul, reach my
heart, and I am ready to make amove on it.
So today, our podcast title istitled Sustaining Our Confession
, sustaining our confession offaith.
And who better to talk aboutthis as my special guest, Dr
(01:48):
Sheila Jackson?
Dr Sheila, how are you today?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (01:52):
I'm great, Cassandra.
Thanks for having me on yourpodcast.
Thank you.
Cassandra (01:58):
Yes, my honor, it's my honor.
Now, one of the things, drSheila, that I will do for my
audience.
I want to read a little bit ofyour bio so they will have a
point of reference and kind ofunderstand, as we do this, have
this conversation, to see whywe're diving this way or that
way based on your background.
(02:18):
So Dr Sheila EdD is atransformational leader,
educator and minister with over20 years in the ministry and 15
years in corporate leadership atGeneral Motors.
She holds advanced degrees intransformational leadership and
(02:39):
business administration and hastaught as a business instructor
and GED educator.
She's the founder of the whenSpirits Sow Prophetic School.
Dr Jackson has shared propheticteachings globally, including in
Nigeria, and serves with theProphetic Empowerment Network.
(03:00):
She calls it like the PENthat's the acronym for it for
she's a devoted mother,grandmother and mentor.
She continues to inspire othersand her impactful ministry and
leadership.
So that's a little bit abouther, but that's not who she is,
and we're going to find out whoin the world is Dr Sheila
(03:20):
Jackson and kind of talk abouther trajectory to get her to
where she is today.
So, dr Sheila, hey, audience,I'm going to say listeners, dr
Sheila, dr Jackson, I'll be allover the place, but I'm going to
put it's going to be the DrSheila, dr Jackson, just so
you'll know.
Hey, listen, before you workedfor GM, general Motors, as a
(03:43):
corporate buyer.
What was life like before youeven started working in the
corporate world?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (03:48):
Wow, I was always ambitious.
I always knew that I wanted togo into business.
I think before General Motors Iwas a recruiter.
I dabbled in that for a littlebit and in fact, how I got into
(04:22):
General Motors I, the HRdirector and I were having a
conversation and he asked me.
He said have you ever thoughtabout coming and working for us?
Sheila?
And I never did.
I was doing well, I never did.
Cassandra (04:38):
And.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (04:38):
I thought about it and I thought, and I
thought, hmm, hmm, and he saidbut I'm not sure you'll be happy
.
He said you, you like yourindependence All right, I like
to come and go when I want toset my own hours.
And eventually I said yes, Igot hired in December.
(05:03):
Anyone that has ever worked forthe automotive industry knows
they take a three week shutdown.
So I worked one week and andthen we were down for the rest
of December.
I thought, ok, I can do this.
I can do this.
I loved it.
It was a challenge, but GeneralMotors was very good to me,
(05:30):
extremely good to me.
I thought that I would stayforever.
Oh, ok, uh-huh, uh-huh, don'tyou love it?
The closer I grew in myrelationship with him, I
discovered the other plan for mylife.
(05:53):
And, um, I willingly said yes,you know, I, I had visions of
grandeur.
I, I it's still.
You know, I had this, this isthe plan, God, okay, I'll do
this, but this is the it's still.
You know, I had this.
This is the plan.
God, okay, I'll do this, butthis is the way it's going to go
.
It's to say, so listen.
Cassandra (06:11):
So I'm curious Um, did you have any dreams and
aspirations before working forthem?
No, okay, all right.
So all right, fair enough.
I had friends that, so allright, fair enough.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (06:25):
I had friends that worked for General
Motors, so I knew about GeneralMotors working for them.
I knew that they paid well.
I knew that they paid well.
Yeah, at that time in my life,at that time in my life, it was
all about the dollar, Sure, thedollar.
Cassandra (06:45):
Sure.
So yeah, so what inspired youto leave that lucrative job and
pursue your passion?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (06:56):
Oh, wow.
You know, I always would tellmy the majority of my friends in
my earlier years who wereteachers and they used to say,
sheila, you are.
And I was like, yeah, no, I'm,I'm not teaching nothing, I
don't want to be a teacher.
(07:16):
No absolutely not.
But again, as I allow myrelationship with the Lord
growing more in love and wantingto do the things that please
God, I surrendered what I wantedand was willing to do, what the
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Lord asked me, and that was toteach you know, to go into to
ministry.
And it became a joke with myfriends and they would say,
Sheila, you always trying toteach somebody something.
We'd ask you one question andyou would go step one, step two.
(07:57):
But I never saw that in myself.
I never, ever saw that inmyself.
I didn't recognize it was anatural ability coming out of me
an innate talent.
Cassandra (08:10):
yeah, yeah, now you know you said something and I
know that a lot of andpersonally I have too.
You know you always many for me.
I used to say God, what is itthat you want me to do?
You know I would always saythat.
And how do you, how do you knowwhat it is that he wants you to
(08:34):
do?
You know, it's like you know,like like I used to always hear
God speaks first, the devilspeaks next.
You know if he says it first.
So what are some ways thatpeople can figure out what it is
that God would have them to do?
Because, as I indicated beforewe came on, my mission is to
(08:58):
inspire a generation of women tostart living their best life on
their terms, and what that isis what is it that they're
ordained to do?
Like you mentioned, we all havea gift, we all have a talent
and we're not quite sure what itis really.
So tell the listeners.
How can one figure out, want tohear what the Lord wants you to
(09:19):
do?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (09:33):
You have to believe God is a good father,
that he loves you and thatthere's nothing he won't do to
get you to the place where notonly he is happy but you will be
happy.
And for me, as a believer,that's a place of prayer.
(09:55):
So that's how I started off.
I started off building arelationship with prayer and the
Lord told me.
He said I want you to beconsistent.
He said that's the key, andrecognizing my voice versus
anyone else's voice.
He said be consistent.
(10:16):
So if you tell me you're goingto meet me in prayer Monday,
tuesday, wednesday, thursday,friday then I'm going to expect
you to be there Monday, tuesday,wednesday, thursday and Friday.
He said I want you to talk tome first and then I want you to
learn to be quiet and wait on meto speak to you.
(10:40):
I want you to expect me tospeak to you.
And that's what I did.
I started a prayer, disciplinedlife and I would commune with
God Monday through Friday,consistently the same time.
So it's not haphazardly.
(11:02):
And I'm questioning is this God, is this me?
I began that and then I beganto get into the word more.
Instead of being a spoon fedChristian, I decided OK, I'm
going to take responsibility forlearning the word of God so
I'll know when the enemy'strying to trick me.
(11:24):
Does it align with scripture?
Can I find God's principle orGod's word, doing and saying the
same thing?
And if I can do that, itbecomes a check and a balance.
One example I told my son Iremember when he hit teenage
years and he wanted to stopcalling me mom in public and
(11:47):
call me Sheila, and I saidabsolutely not.
He said why we're out in public.
All the moms are going to turntheir head.
Cassandra (11:56):
I said I know your voice.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (11:58):
I said I know your voice because I spent
time with you.
I spent time.
I said it doesn't matter howfar you're away, I know how you
talk.
I know the dictions of certainwords.
I know your tone and it's thesame way I'm getting to know
God's voice.
You spend enough time inrelationship.
(12:18):
You know God's voice.
It becomes easier and easier.
It's like talking to yourfavorite person on the phone.
Cassandra (12:33):
Yeah, they could call you from a different phone.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (12:34):
a different phone number, but you know their
voice Exactly, and so you'renot shaken when, if a different
number pops up, because you knowtheir voice.
Cassandra (12:42):
You know the voice.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (12:43):
There's a relationship over time Wow.
Yeah, it's the same way.
God will make sure that you arevery secure that it is him
talking to you, it is him givingyou directions in your life and
you become more confident, youhave more, greater faith and
(13:03):
trust that he's not going toallow you to be led astray.
Allow you, particularly in ababy, in our infancy stage, when
we're learning that's a good,good parent, that's what good
parents do.
They guard us on that journeyuntil we're strong enough to be
(13:25):
able to make a decision.
No, that's not God.
That's me.
No, that's not God, that'sdemonic voices.
Cassandra (13:33):
Okay, that's like the title sustaining our confession
of faith.
Yeah Right, you know you saidsomething that is so true.
That is so true when I askedthe question how do you know
what it is that God would haveyou to do?
And you said if you really wantto know.
(13:54):
I mean really want to know.
You got to ask them and you gotto spend time with it, you know
.
And then you want to have thatcommitment.
You're like, okay, all right.
And I have this chapter in mybook and the title of that
chapter is Dear Women whoquestioned whether there was a
(14:17):
God.
And in that chapter it was veryinteresting how God revealed to
me in that chapter how real hewas.
So you know, and at the end ofthe chapter I kind of do a
synopsis of what God says andone of the things he said if you
(14:39):
are open to really want to knowme, try me.
But you have to be open.
And when you said that, thatjust resonated with me and, I'm
certain, with many of mylisteners, like, do you really
want to live your life as youare ordained to do so.
Because I always say we're nothere just to be here.
(15:01):
We have a reason why we arehere.
And once we identify that,that's when your soul will be at
rest, that's when you havepeace and things can change over
time.
So I loved it when you said,okay, god said you got to be
consistent.
First of all, you want to prayand I'm going to pray Monday,
tuesday, wednesday, thursday,friday, so you know.
(15:24):
So what confirmed that you aredoing the right thing?
What was the?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (15:32):
confirmation , kept finding myself in
ministries teaching everyone.
So you know, it didn't matterthe church I was in.
I would always be asked wouldyou teach, do you mind teaching?
Going through teachers,training, ok, the very thing
(15:54):
that I didn't want to do.
People recognize the gift I did.
Okay, that's good.
Because my value system is I'mgoing where the money is Right
yes.
I'm going where the money is.
And God had to.
The love for him became greaterthan what I.
(16:16):
You know.
I was willing to trust himenough because I was falling in
love.
No different in the natural.
The more we fall in love with,you know what they do like.
Cassandra (16:30):
Yeah.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (16:31):
Love.
You Trust them.
You trust them.
They've got your best interestsat heart, and so I began to
trust God that he had my bestinterests at heart.
He wasn't going to lead meastray.
And other people began toconfirm no, you were born to
this, you were born to teach,and I fell in love with teaching
(16:51):
.
I fell in love with teaching, Iacknowledge.
Oh man, I love this I love this.
Cassandra (16:57):
That is a beautiful testament, wow.
Well, look, I know, because ofthe relationship I have with God
, as you're rewarded, and I'dlike to know you know the people
that you have witnessed to whatare some of the rewards of
(17:20):
witnessing the God you only readabout.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (17:24):
Oh, my gosh.
God has blessed me tremendouslyto be a spiritual mom and a
mentor, and I've watched peoplegrow in God, grow in love with
God, find out what they werecreated to do.
(17:45):
I've watched and witnessed Goduse me in miraculous
intervention, praying forhealing, giving a word of
knowledge or a word of wisdom,and so the more I yielded and
gained knowledge about the verygiftings and what the Lord
(18:05):
wanted me to do, he allowed meto see the manifestation of
those things in other people andit has been a tremendous honor,
a tremendous I'm in awe.
A tremendous honor, atremendous, I'm in awe.
You know, last year I did myfirst crusade in Africa and it
(18:27):
bought me to my knees.
I had never, ever experienced10,000 people hungry for the
word.
Cassandra (18:34):
Wow.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (18:35):
And to think that God would allow me to be a
part of it, that he wouldsustain my life, he would lead
and guide me, even when mydecision was I don't want to go
left.
I don't want to go left, Likeno, no, you're going left.
Cassandra (18:55):
Yeah.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (18:56):
Yeah, allow me to witness that.
So it has been an honor towatch people blossom, because I
know what it is to be hungry, towant something, to want to be
validated, to want to berecognized, to want to see the
(19:19):
promises of God, to really wantto see what the word says Not
just saying, I'm not justtalking it but God allows you to
witness.
There's nothing greater thanthat, nothing, right, right.
Cassandra (19:35):
Do you have a story of someone that you witnessed to
, where you've seen themiraculous?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (19:44):
Oh God, yes, Could you share one of those?
Well, you know, I'll give myown personal first.
So I've had been diagnosed withcancer twice and the first time
I used to have a running jokewith the Lord because cancer was
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what tried to destroy mylineage.
And I used to have a runningjoke with the Lord no knife is
cutting on these, no knife.
I didn't know.
I was establishing faith rightthen.
I was just telling the Lordbecause I didn't have a
scripture.
I used to just say, lord, andno knife cutting here, no, no
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knife.
And a year before theydiagnosed the first time, the
Lord told me to go to thishealing school and sit up under
this pastor for one year.
He had a healing ministry andhe taught people how to build
your faith to believe.
Cassandra (20:49):
And.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (20:50):
I went, didn't know, the following year
I would get a diagnosis and Idiscovered the love I had on a
wool dress and I just happenedto rub my arm.
You know that's got.
You got a wool.
You can't usually feel alone,right?
And I heard the spirit of theLord say go to the doctor.
I went to the doctor, butbefore then I'm standing in
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praise and worship at my sir atthe church and I hear the spirit
of God say if you stand on myword, I'm going to heal you.
He said I'll heal you if youstand on my word.
He said watch your words, watchyour words.
Cassandra (21:31):
Okay.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (21:31):
And so I did exactly what God told me to do.
I stood on the word.
I found a scripture on healingand I began to say it to my own
body.
I began to say it to my ownbody.
I asked the Holy Spirit towatch.
Let me hear every time I wassaying something that went
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against the very prayer that Iwas saying.
So I had to watch my casualconversation when people would
say I would share with certainpeople, and they would say, well
, Sheila, how you doing?
What's the doctor saying?
I tell people.
I had to learn to say what thedoctor said, but God said, but
God said that's right.
And people would think you know, okay, right, but I didn't care
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.
You have to get to a point thatyou don't care.
And so God, miraculously,miraculously, healed me.
I couldn't even tell you whenthe lump disappeared.
I went to the because I had togo through all the all the
testing.
Cassandra (22:33):
I had to ask you that .
Dr. Sheila Jackson (22:34):
Yeah, had to walk through all of that.
Had to walk through all of that.
(23:06):
Even God was allowing.
Jackson, you're always smilingwhen you come in here.
God's allowing me to be awitness because if I'm going to
stand on his word, I got to walklike it.
Yeah, and she said she saidbefore she caught herself.
She said I don't see anything,she's not, wasn't supposed to
tell me.
The surgeon was supposed totell me.
Okay, she caught herself.
(23:26):
She said oh no, but wait, wait,wait until wait until the
doctor comes in and he'll, youknow, he'll go over with you.
I knew right then God hadalready done it and you had
chemo and all of that.
I didn't have to go throughchemo.
Didn't have to do that, really,wow.
Didn't have to go through anyof that.
I stood on the word of God.
Cassandra (23:48):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (23:49):
Every time I meditated on God's word so I
can paint a picture in my ownheart.
I had to be fully persuaded.
Paint a picture in my own heart.
I had to be fully persuaded, Ihad to make sure that my mouth
wasn't saying what the enemy wastrying to tell me.
Your mother had it, your aunthad it, your grandmother had it.
Cassandra (24:12):
It's in the family genetic right.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (24:16):
Even well-intentioned believers
Welled.
They had good intentions, butthey weren't.
They weren't willing to fightor go through what God had told
me.
He told me you know, everybodyhas their own process.
I said no knife.
Cassandra (24:33):
God said okay, no knife means no knife.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (24:36):
That means I had to stand to say no, no, I'm
right.
I'm not going through surgery.
I'm not going through none ofthat, so that was the first time
, then 2018, it came back again.
Oh my, and I used to have agirlfriend at the time she's
gone on to be with the Lord andI would call her and I said girl
, let's come back.
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I need you to go before theLord.
Our running joke was I need youto get in sackcloth and ashes.
Cassandra (25:02):
So yeah, I was serious.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (25:04):
Yes, he said OK, I'm going into prayer.
She went into prayer.
She came back within a coupleof days.
She said God said the sameanointing that healed you the
first time is the same anointingthat's going to heal you the
second time.
And I said that's all I needand I was ready to fight.
(25:29):
So I geared up, ready to fightagain the enemy that was trying
to bring it back to this body.
When I said no knife, I had tostand my ground, stand my ground
.
I ended up having the same techthat saw me the first time was
the same tech that saw me thesecond time.
That's God.
He was strategicallypositioning me.
So even when the surgeon cameback, he said Miss Jackson, I
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can't explain this.
He said you know, I don't.
He was stumbling for his words.
He said do you know what I saw?
Yes, god healed me.
He said yeah, yeah.
I said no, no, he got healed,god healed me.
So I had to learn if I'm goingto, if I'm going to.
Healing looks different toeverybody, but I wanted to see
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the miraculous power of God.
That was where I stood my ground, and so it was from there.
God would give me a word ofknowledge about someone that was
having a sickness in their body, and I would pray about it and
I would watch God heal theminstantly.
(26:40):
You know, so he taught me he isa healer.
Cassandra (26:44):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (26:46):
And that God's best, that is, that we
witness the word.
I don't want to just hear theword keep telling who God is,
but I'm not.
I'm not witnessing it.
That's not scripture, that'snot the fullness of the word
being manifested.
Well, if it's not beingmanifested, where's the hold up?
Cassandra (27:09):
Right, exactly.
So, you are living, walkingtestimony.
So what a man thinketh is whohe is Right.
So we know how powerful that is, oh my God, and when I think
about it, when I think about it,it's so good to be amongst
(27:36):
individuals that are like-mindedand those you have to know.
You know, I.
I remember when, um, um, thedisciples were, uh, was it
bothameus?
I can't remember letting himdown on the roof.
He, he needed to be here yes,right, and then?
there were other individuals inthe room that says, yeah, right,
(27:59):
god had to get them out becausehe didn't want anybody around
him or them.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (28:05):
That would be the same way with us.
Exactly.
You've got to know who's aroundyou when you're fighting your
biggest battle.
Cassandra (28:13):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (28:14):
Yes.
Cassandra (28:14):
Yes, that's so true, my sustaining, sustaining our
confession of faith.
Listen, um, um I you.
Sharing that story reminded meof a friend of mine who was a
strong believer as well, and shesaid I shall not die but live.
(28:37):
Okay, she started out withbreast cancer and God took her
and I was devastated, and I'vetalked to individuals that get
angry because, like you'retalking, well, he did it for her
, but he didn't do it for me.
It's like, okay, I'm seekinghim, I'm asking for his
(28:59):
anointing, his help to help mestart doing what it is that he's
called me to do.
They're doing it for them, butthey didn't do it for me.
So then they become discouraged.
What would you tell mylisteners that have gone through
those situations or experiencedthem?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (29:17):
And I, you know I have.
I have two.
I've lost some very dearfriends.
One of the things that the Lordtold me he said you're in a war
and there are casualties of war.
There are always casualties ofwar, and so that stuck with me.
I also believe that we don'tknow why it did not happen.
(29:45):
You know, I've had friends thatI thought, oh my God, they were
strong in God, da, da da.
You don't know why.
That's where trust comes in.
I don't like it, god, but Itrust you.
It don't feel good to me, but Itrust you.
You know there are going to becasualties of war and just as
(30:08):
they're casualties of war, god'sgoing to make sure that his
word is validated.
Lost a great mentor and a greatfriend that way.
One of the reasons so she hadbeen a two-time cancer person
also, and last time it came backshe was ashamed and prideful,
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didn't want people to know andshe kept it, even from me, and
the lord told me don't you say aword, because he was trying to
let her see pride.
When you open break laws, youbreak the laws of God, but then
you expect God will not breakthe law for anyone.
Cassandra (30:52):
Right no respect of person.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (30:55):
Yeah, Two weeks before everything got real
bad, I had called her becauseshe had cut off all of our
relationship.
Yeah, and I called her and Iknew it and the Lord said, and
pain me, I couldn't say anythingbecause the Lord said, no,
don't say anything.
And it was probably a weeklater.
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She called me.
She said I've got cancer.
I said I've been knowing thatbut the Lord wouldn't let me say
anything.
And the Lord told me he saidpride kept her in bondage.
She would not ask for helpbecause you wanted her name.
Yes, I said make your name of noreputation.
It's God's name.
(31:37):
You know you've got to be in aplace.
You don't care what nobodythinks, Right, you don't care
what nobody, what they know whatthey're talking about.
You ain't got time for that.
That's low level thinking, youknow, and so you cannot be
concerned.
You have, I've made up my mind,God.
(31:58):
They didn't survive it, but I'mgoing to be a witness.
You keep saying, okay, you tellGod, you pour out your heart,
all of those things, and then,once you spit out all of that,
then you glorify his namebecause he's still God, he's
still God, he's still in themiraculous business, he still
(32:19):
can make a way out of no way.
And you have to decide.
I'm going, god, use me.
Use me to show other peoplethat it is possible.
No, it didn't happen.
I can't change that but I cantell a different story.
Yes, yeah, yeah and so we allhave that decision.
Tell a different story, becausewe only have one enemy, that's
(32:42):
the devil.
God didn't bring that sickness.
God didn't, didn't do that.
We equate that.
God no, no.
God said no, no, that was notmy doing.
I tell people you can't liveeven unhealthy lives and then
all of expect the word to domiraculous things.
God gives you wisdom.
(33:03):
You break laws.
You break laws.
There are consequences.
You break down the defenses inthe body.
You know all of us havegenerational curses of some kind
of sickness.
You got to draw the line andsay not here not here.
Not only speaking it, but I'mdoing the things that I need to
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do in the natural.
Yeah, so we're ensure that itdoesn't come near my dwelling.
And so if it means I've got togive up cookies, if it means
I've got to exercise and that'swhat the Lord he said do your
part.
Yes, that's right, I'll do mypart.
Faith without works is big.
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Oh my God.
Yeah, you know we want to liveas believers.
Um, by miracles.
Miracles aren't for thebelievers.
God will give us, but they'renot a way, a lifestyle for us.
They're for the unbeliever.
I'm supposed to believe as abeliever, yes, yeah, why that's
interesting?
Cassandra (34:04):
yeah, because, dr sheila, I was reading my
devotions this morning and wastalking about adversity.
Another way of looking at it isit's a way of lifting you
higher to what it is that Godwould have us to do.
And I think about some of myguests who had death in the
(34:25):
family moms, you know,unexpected death but out of that
they're doing something amazingbecause of that traumatic,
heartbreaking experience.
So if you, if you, what do theysay?
If you faint?
Not, that's the thing, rightthere.
I mean because there arestruggles in life.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (34:47):
He said it was that's life In this world.
You're going to have trouble.
Cassandra (34:50):
Yeah, but if you faint not, that's the whole
thing, if you faint not, and sowith that, um, we talked a bit
about so.
So people like, okay, so howcan I hear from God?
How?
So how can I hear from God?
How, how do I hear?
And you talked about readingand studying and praying and how
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God knows our voice, you know.
So tell my listeners again, howcan they hear from God?
It's not a cookie cutter thing.
It will not happen overnight.
Now, new babes I remember whenI became a new babe in christ,
stuff was happening like oh mygosh, god, he saved me from this
, he did me this, I got thisgreat, I got this.
(35:38):
And then one day he took me offthe mill.
Yeah, and man, oh man, oh man,oh man.
So just share with my listeners.
How does someone, how can theyhear from?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (35:53):
God.
I think there are many ways wecan hear Personally.
You have to develop your ownpersonal relationship with the
Lord, and that comes throughreading and studying the word
and in prayer.
There are spiritual principlesthat strengthen us in our
(36:17):
spiritual walk.
The Bible says how can theyhear without a preacher?
I must now put myself in aposition as a student, learning,
going back to school andallowing the spirit of the Lord
to assign me to a teacher,someone that's teaching the
(36:38):
gospel.
That what I am hearing fromsomeone that has the knowledge
and the experience to help megrow because I'm not a teacher
this is out of my, this is outof my lane.
I can't teach what I don't know.
And so I must now humble myselfconsistently, you know, sit up
(36:59):
under who the spirit of the Lordis leading and guiding me, you
know, and that means being apart of church.
Yes, you can't, you know.
Yes, the Internet is wonderfuland fine, but you must be around
like believers, because they'regoing to help you grow too.
Cassandra (37:18):
You talk to me, girl.
Get off that Internet Right.
Be amongst the people.
Fellowship, yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (37:26):
You know, you give out and you receive.
And that's the iron, sharpeningiron.
So I learn a scripture.
Then the teacher, the HolySpirit, says now I got to see if
you know that scripture.
So he places us with people.
Yes, you know, I tell people.
It's like learning yourtimetables.
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You don't know two times two isfour, consistently, until you
put in a position to practice it.
You don't know love is untilyou're put in position to
practice it.
Yes, patience is until you putin position to practice.
Cassandra (38:01):
Yes.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (38:02):
Yes, and so it is those spiritual
disciplines reading and studyingthe word, prayer, meditation,
meditation helps us to paint apicture on our heart.
And then our confession, makingour confession of faith daily.
Why?
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Because I'm painting a newreality.
I didn't get where, where I amin negative behavior, negative
speech, overnight, so now I'vegot to be willing to take the
time to relearn some things,learn, learn different, learn
some new stuff.
(38:45):
Exactly, exactly what it is,what does it mean to be a child
of God, what it is to be a partof God's kingdom?
You know, it's no differentthan moving from one country to
another country.
Every country has their ownlaws.
Well, if I'm in the kingdom ofGod, I've got to know what the
laws are in God's kingdom.
Cassandra (39:04):
How do?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (39:05):
I rule my life.
You know how do I?
How do I know if I'm doing theright thing?
Cause the world could say blackis blue and if I'm not careful
I'm so used to going along withthe majority I said well, you
know it could be, and no onesaid no, no, black is black.
Cassandra (39:22):
That's right.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (39:24):
It's black.
So that's the renewing our mind.
You know, consecration and um,setting myself apart to learn
everything that I need to learnwhy?
Because I want the success lifethat god says that is to be
mine, not just for us, but forour family right.
Cassandra (39:46):
It's like if you don't stand for something,
you'll stand for anything.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (39:49):
Oh my gosh.
Cassandra (39:51):
Yes, yes, I tell you, Dr Sheila Jackson.
What I want to say is thank youfor your word, Thank you for
the anointing that has comeacross these airways.
And just imagine the otherindividuals that aren't
listening now but will listen onand on as time goes on.
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And this is what I'll say Ifyou are in a place my audience
and my listeners that you, justyou know, you know that it is
something that you should bedoing and you need help doing it
.
And then, when you get to thepoint where you're like sick and
tired of being where you are,do what Dr Shields talked about
(40:42):
today Get to know the Lord, readhis word, meditate on it, study
it, and don't say you don'thave time, because, guess what?
God is a redeemer.
I know for myself he is aredeemer of time.
So I ask you, what do you haveto lose?
(41:02):
Yeah, Try it.
You know what do you have tolose?
And that's kind of when I said,that's what I said in my book
dear women, have you everquestioned whether there was a
God?
You may not say it out loudbecause you don't want people to
think that.
but I said it out loud, becauseI questioned, because, as Dr
(41:24):
Sheila said, we all go throughtrials and tribulations and
sometimes things will get sotough and so rough.
And that's why I said what doyou have to lose?
Just try him.
Dr Sheila, how can my so?
Okay, you're a teacher.
(41:44):
You travel country to Africa toteach.
What is it?
What service could my listenersthat are interested in you and
the things that you stand for,how could they get in touch with
you?
And when they do, what can theyexpect?
Dr. Sheila Jackson (42:16):
expect.
I am on Facebook under Joshua2715.
That's my Facebook name.
My ministry is also under whenSpirit Soul.
They can contact me on Facebook.
I'm on Instagram under DrSheila Instagram under Dr Sheila
.
The email is windspirit soul28at Yahoo.
(42:37):
My niche in the kingdom is toteach spiritual maturity.
I teach about the gift of theprophetic, but the bulk of what
I teach is how to grow up in God.
How to grow up in God.
Grow up in God, yes.
Cassandra (42:58):
Beautiful.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (42:59):
Yes, Beautiful, I love it.
One of the things let me share,Cassandra, that the Lord told
me and he's been reiterating itfor the last three years that if
you want something you neverhad, you've got to be willing to
do what you have yet to do.
And so, for the listeningaudience, when you really want
something you've never had,you're willing to go the extra,
(43:24):
the extra you know to get it.
You know we all can have anexcuse.
Don't listen to that report.
We already listened to our ownsoul.
We've already listened to theenemy.
Believe me, I told the lordlord you know how old I am.
He said I don't need you totell me how old.
(43:44):
You are Right, Because I know,I know that's right.
Cassandra (43:49):
I can restore you.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (43:50):
I'm the keeper of you.
Do your part and I will ensurethat you live out what I've
called you to do in the earth.
And I continue to be amazed.
And you know, let God take arisk that cannot fail on God.
Take a risk.
He will never fail you.
(44:13):
He will never fail you.
You keep saying that toyourself.
God, she said you won't fail me.
Yeah, right, and watch God,watch God.
Cassandra (44:27):
Yes, wow, wow, wow.
This was very encouraging and,like I said, anointed, and I am
so grateful for your presence.
You're speaking into theairways to my listeners and I
know, I know it's somethingyou've said that has resonated
with somebody, some bodies thatare listening, and for my
(44:52):
audience, I got always say youknow how to get in touch with Dr
Sheila and I always pray thatyou will get something from this
podcast and I ask you if infact, you've enjoyed it and you
want more of it, click I like itand click subscribe and share
(45:15):
it with your friends and, like Ialways, say bye for now and God
bless you all and Dr Sheila.
Thank you so much.
Dr. Sheila Jackson (45:25):
Thank you, cassandra, thank you so much.
I've truly enjoyed it, trulyenjoyed it.
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