October 5, 2025 • 47 mins
We explore how fierce grace turns breaking points into breakthroughs, and why reframing pain can unlock purpose, faith, and agency. Jesse Torres shares tools to identify current limits, trace their roots, and rescript meaning so action becomes sustainable.
• defining the stuck feeling and why knowledge without healing fails
• Jesse’s story of survival, loss, faith and a kindness that changed everything
• arguing with reality vs accepting and choosing new meaning
• three pillars of trauma: undiagnosed, unacknowledged, unresolved
• practical methods to find the “invisible thread” behind current limits
• fierce grace as a balance of power and softness in life and leadership
• self-love as the lens that changes how we see humanity
• coach vs mentor and how results in coaching are measured
• simple steps to sustain change and rebuild self-trust
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Cassandra (00:00):
Welcome to Is Your Way in Your Way podcast.
And I'm your host.
My name is Cassandra CrawleyMayo.
And for those new listeners outthere, just so you'll know, uh,
the title of my book is Is YourWay in In Your Way?
So why not call this podcastthe same thing?
So it all kind of correlatesand it kind of summarizes what
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my book is all about.
And for my new listeners again,these are individuals who I
call stuck.
You know, the things that youlike to do.
For example, you want to getout of a toxic relationship, or
you want to change jobs, or youwant to start your own company,
or you want to change churches.
It's just so many things that'slike pulling you that you know
(00:47):
that you should be doingsomething different, but you
know what?
You just can't do it.
And you're trying to figure outwhy is that, and that's why we
talk about topics related topersonal development, personal
improvement.
And I also say it will enableyou to do some self-reflection.
Okay, think about what we'regonna talk about.
(01:08):
Like today, we're gonna talkabout your path is divinely
written.
And this, what I'm gonna say,this particular podcast episode
is brought to you by the beliefthat God will never put more on
you than you can bear.
But sometimes He allows thebreaking to prepare you for your
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breakthrough.
It's kind of like, you know,have you ever hit a wall so hard
that you thought, this is it?
I just can't go any further.
What if I told you that thewall wasn't the end, but the
beginning of your breakthrough?
And we have a special guest.
I'd like to welcome theincredible Jesse Torres, a woman
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who walks in what she's calledfierce grace.
Get ready to be stirred,stretched, and most of all,
strengthened.
Let me welcome to the stage.
Hi, Jesse.
Jessie (02:04):
How are you today?
Hello, Cassandra.
Thank you so much for havingme.
I'm excited to be here.
Cassandra (02:10):
Oh, I'm excited for you to be here as well.
Uh, one of the things I amgoing to do before we dive into
this conversation, my listenersalways kind of want to know what
she's all about, what's herbackground, blah, blah, blah.
So I'm going to read a littlebit of your bio so they'll get
an understanding of who you are.
Jesse Torres is a peakperformance coach and life
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strategist with nearly twodecades of experience helping
high achievers transform paininto purpose.
Globally ranked among the topcoaches in the world, Jesse has
guided thousands to breakthrough trauma and self-doubt
using her signature philosophyof fierce grace, fueled by a
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deep love for humanity and aGod-given calling to end
suffering.
Jesse's impact lies in hersoul's staring ability to
unearth your highest potential.
Highest potential, guys,proving that there's no hardship
is wasted when you're walkingin your divine purpose.
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And that's why we titled thisepisode Your Path is Divinely
Written.
And one of the things I'm goingto say, I would say Jesse's
greatest credential issurviving.
And we're going to talk to herabout that.
So, Jesse, what in yourbackground has inspired you to
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do what you are currently doing?
Or better yet, what qualifiesyou to do the work that you're
doing?
Jessie (03:49):
Well, what qualifies me is my journey, right?
Now, what got me there or whathad me do the things I did, all
I can say is, you know, we talkabout the path being divinely
written.
It's it's it's part of themakeup of maybe my contract with
God.
I don't know.
Because back when I was insurvival, back when, you know, I
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got knocked down to the pointof not wanting to live this
life, I didn't consciously say,oh, I'm gonna build resilience
or I'm gonna build courage.
I didn't even know those words.
I didn't know the language.
I didn't even know that I wasliving with a ball of shame,
right?
Or unworthiness.
I had no label for it.
But I knew that I had topersevere.
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I knew that I had to keepgoing.
And if I was going to keepgoing and, you know, continue to
be the example for my children,which I believe are one of my
biggest driving forces, I had todo things that scared me.
I had to do things that wereout of my comfort zone.
I had to challenge myself andmove past my fears.
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And so I intentionally putthings in front of me that
scared me so that I can start tobuild that muscle.
And what I got was a whole lotof grit.
But again, I didn't know in aconscious level, I just knew
that I had to persevere, I hadto keep going.
And the only way to do that wasto move through all the things
that were trying to hold meback.
Cassandra (05:15):
Interesting.
Um, so are you saying if itwere not for your kids, you may
have done something differently?
Or you said that's really wasthe driving force for you to
continue?
Jessie (05:31):
Yes.
Well, you know, my journeyhaving had abuse with my father
my first 18 years, and thenabuse with my husband for the
next 18 years, got me to a placeof apathy where I considered
taking my own life.
Um, but I did not want my kidsto have that as you know, part
of their journey is that theirmother did this thing.
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So I didn't, but I was hopingsomebody would do it for me.
I was praying for it because Idid not see a way out.
I didn't see a way out of thesituation I was in.
I thought if this is life, thenI don't want to be here, it's
too painful.
And so I just wanted, I waswishing somebody to blow the red
light, or I was wishing thatsome catastrophe would happen,
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or that, and you know, to my ex,I have nothing but love and
gratitude for all of my journey.
This isn't to vilify anybody.
But back then I was in suchdisempowerment that I I even
hoped that, you know, if hetraveled that the plane would
crash and then I could be awidow and that would be okay.
Right.
And then I felt guilt and shameover even having such a
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horrible thought.
You know what I mean?
So I was in this spin and thiscycle, and yeah, I I I would not
be here.
Cassandra (06:43):
Yeah, yeah.
I am so glad you shared thatbecause it sounds so familiar.
And I this is something mylisteners are not even aware of.
And when I say we have so manysimilarities, I can remember
times in my life, things werejust so rough that I would go to
sleep, I would actually put theBible under my pillow, and
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hopefully, the words in thatBible would penetrate in my mind
and throughout my body.
So when I wake up, I could feelthe presence like there was
something more for me.
I too remember driving.
I traveled a lot and drivingand hoping an 18-wheeler would
hit me.
I did the same thing, and itwas scary.
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It was like it was like theweight of the sand on a beach,
if I can describe it.
It was just so heavy, and itwas hard to.
Well, number one, it was it wastaboo.
I was actually depressed, youknow.
That's what was going on, andwe didn't want to tell anybody
because that would have been ashame.
(07:50):
You know, you have this, youhave this face that you look um,
you know, you're tough on theoutside, but on the inside,
you're just torn up.
And it was something you saidabout your brother, and you
indicated that you readsomething.
Well, we haven't talked aboutyour brothers, but you said you
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read something that he hadwritten, and that catapulted you
into your next journey.
Would you share what was itthat he wrote?
And it's just share a littlebit about what was going on with
your brothers.
Jessie (08:27):
Well, it depends on which brother you're referring
to.
So my first uh my olderbrother, um 30 some years ago
now, uh, was murdered.
And I was 28 at the time, hewas 29.
Um, and that was uhcatastrophic from the context of
despair, uh, sadness, um,disappoint.
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I mean, those were all of theemotions that I was living with.
And back then I was raisedCatholic, I was Christian at the
time.
I consider myself morespiritual now than I do a
religion.
But back then I thought, youknow, what if there is no God?
What if there's nothing?
Right.
And I was so upset and I was sohurt.
And I'm like, and if God, ifyou do exist, then I hate you
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for taking my brother.
And that's kind of how I felt.
And it wasn't until he showedhimself to me that I saw him in
this deep, profound moment ofgrief.
And he just waved with his arm.
And it looked like what otherpeople, but you can't really
tell.
It's more of a the visuals likethat are not crystal clear.
And he pointed to it and hesaid, Jess, everything is as
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it's supposed to be.
And I didn't know what it meantat the time, but I know that it
brought me calm, it brought mepeace.
I knew he was okay.
And from that point has begunmy spiritual journey, my
spiritual quest to my to to seewhere where do I fit in all of
this.
Now, 30 years later, my littlebrother is murdered.
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Now, my little brother was 15at the time that my older
brother was murdered.
Two different stories, twodifferent human beings, two
different episodes, you know.
And it's just like now I'mlike, okay, no, like this now.
I felt rage.
And I I usually go to sadness,but I felt rage.
I was like, this cannot happen.
I already checked the box, Ialready lost a brother to
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murder.
This can't happen twice.
And so I was, I was really,really angry.
And in those moments, I prayed.
I'm like, okay, God.
So if both my brothers aremeant to be taken, then what do
you want with me?
Why am I here?
Why am I meant to live?
Right.
And the answer I got was, well,Jesse, you need to eat your own
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medicine.
And I'm like, you know, andthat's hard to hear, you know,
because I'm like, okay, sothat's it.
Like, this is why this ishappening, which for me, my
medicine is that there's lightin the darkest moment always.
And sometimes when the pain isso big, we can't see it.
So here I'm in the deep throesof pain, of anger, of sadness.
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My heart is broken.
And when I got that message,I'm like, okay, so let me eat my
own medicine.
And I was able to find it.
You know, even the depth of mysorrow was equivalent to the
depth of my love, right?
I was able to see his daughtersthat had not met before because
they're different mothers, theoldest ones, you know, come
together like they'd grown uptogether.
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They connected at the loss oftheir father.
You know, I saw my family showup in ways that they never had.
I I was able to see peopleposting on his Instagram how he
affected their lives, you know.
So there was beauty to befound.
Um it was just, you know, itwas, it was heart-wrenching, but
I could find it.
And I started to to do that.
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And I still am open to seeinghow else my life unfolds.
If it's one thing that I didn'tfind that my little brother
wrote, um, you know, just kindof sharing with me who I was in
his life, that he neverexpressed to me in life, and
also a long list of what hewanted his daughters to know.
Cassandra (12:04):
Wow.
I'm I I appreciate you sharingthat.
And I wanted that so that mylisteners could hear about your
journey.
We all have a story, and yet,as I indicated earlier, when
before we came on, we said wehave a choice.
We can be better or we can bebitter about it, and you chose
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better, and that's why I want totalk about how does one
transform their personal traumainto purposeful action?
Jessie (12:37):
Well, that's such a great question.
And here's the thing when youargue with reality, you lose
100% of the time.
So, what do I mean by that?
If I say my brother shouldn'thave been murdered, right?
Because it was wrong, he wasshot in the back.
My older brother was shotbecause he was dating a girl he
did not know was engaged prior,right?
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Like so senseless, right?
So in my mind, I could say thatshouldn't have happened.
He was a good person.
That's not okay.
If I say it shouldn't havehappened, and I'm in that
despair, I'm in an argument withthe reality that it did, and I
will stand up to suffer.
Cassandra (13:19):
Wow.
Jessie (13:20):
So if I don't look for the gift, I only remember the
pain.
And I don't believe God wastesthe pain.
I believe we do if we chooseto.
So if this is part of thedivine plan, then how do I find
the good?
How do I find the gift?
You know, the ripple effect, myolder brother, there was over
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300 people at his funeral,people we didn't know, but
people whose lives he touched.
Yes, you know, it's like wow,like so.
I don't know the ripple effectof the loss of him and how it
affected others.
I just trust that it's it's inthe divine order.
I trust that it's part of thejourney.
And maybe, you know, I you Iuse uh John Walsh as an example,
(14:04):
the guy that created America'sMost Wanted, right?
He did that on the heels of theloss of his six-year-old son
Adam, right?
And so if you look at it fromour path is divinely written,
you know, maybe Adam's contractwith God was that he was going
to come here for six short yearsand then leave to be the
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catalyst for John to wake up tohis purpose because he was gonna
save the many.
Cassandra (14:35):
And he did.
Jessie (14:36):
And God knew that God knew John's divine contract, and
he says, you know what?
In order to wake him up toreally stand strong and help the
many, then you, Adam, you'regonna show up as his son, and
then you're gonna leave us atthe age of six in a very
traumatic way, and you're gonnacome home.
Cassandra (14:53):
Yes, that's that, yeah, that's powerful.
You know, I hear a lot ofpeople say, I'm gonna change the
narrative.
What you did, but like youindicated, makes so much sense.
Um, you you know the reality,but then you put a different
spin on it, you know, you pivot,and that was a great example
about John and and his son.
Um, and I bet you that Johnkind of got to that place, had
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to, it in order to let it go.
Because when you don't, youhold on to it, and it's like a
cancer.
You don't, you're not doingwhat it is that you were called
to do.
So the doc.
So your darkest moments fueledyour passion and purpose.
And when you were growing up,did you what did you want to do?
(15:42):
Did you have a dream oranything about what you wanted
to do?
Jessie (15:46):
Um, you know, it's an interesting question.
I think when I was little, Ithought about being a teacher.
You know, I always wanted to bea mom.
That was a big deal for me.
I wanted to have babies, youknow, and I thought being a
teacher would be nice, but Ididn't really even know how to
dream, to be honest.
I was I was in such survival inmy childhood that I just wanted
to be free from the pain.
(16:07):
Yeah, and when my my ex-husbandentered my world, you know, he
pretty much rescued me from thatspace because he called out
what I was going through with myfather.
Out of all the years of goingthrough that, out of trying to
tell my mom when I was 16 and mywords were twisted and I never
heard anything about it again.
(16:28):
Um, now I'm 18, and he comes inand he calls it out.
And I'm just like, what?
And then I shared with himprobably more than he needed to
hear, but he still wanted to bewith me.
And at that point, I didn'tknow that I adopted the belief
that I was gross, filthy, anddamaged goods and no one would
love me.
I didn't consciously know, butthat's how I felt.
(16:50):
So the fact that he knew mydirty secret, yeah, and he still
wanted to be with me, I fellmadly in love.
Sure.
Right.
And so at that moment, I waslike, I want to be with him to
get away from this, right?
And um, I told my mom I wasgonna move out, and being the
beautiful, and again, nooffense, her her Catholic faith.
(17:13):
She's just like my daughterwould not live with a man and
not be married.
Yeah, so I moved out Monday, Iwas married Friday.
And I was 18, I was in love.
So I'm like, okay, sure, youknow, and he was like, okay, so
you know, we did it.
And here's what I identify astrauma.
So I there's three pillars totrauma there's undiagnosed,
there's unacknowledged, andthere's unresolved.
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And when you think about theundiagnosed, these are the the
things we don't know to know,right?
If you take a little boy who'sat the grocery store with his
mother and he's playing with thetoys in the aisle, and mom goes
to the end of the aisle to grabsomething, she can see him, but
he can't see her.
He waits, he looks up and he'slike, Mommy, where are you?
Right.
And he gets scared and hiswhole body contracts.
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Mom's right there withinseconds, but in that moment, the
child unconsciously anchors, Icould be abandoned, I could be
left behind.
And now he's clingy and doesn'twant mom to be out of the room
for too long or doesn't want herto go to the store without him.
Now he's 35, and he doesn'tknow why he can't keep a
relationship because he's toocontrolling and secure and
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jealous, right?
Yes, he doesn't know that it'stied to that moment in the
grocery store.
There's no abuse, nobody didanything wrong, but that's what
we do as human beings.
We make meaning out of oursituation, right?
So that's the undiagnosed.
The unacknowledged was myhusband and I, my my ex-husband.
He came from a very abusivealcoholic mother who raised him.
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He would, he was the uh onlyboy, the youngest of four.
He would come home to hissisters unconscious on the on
the floor.
That's how brutal she was,right?
So when we got together, hesaid, My kids will never see me
drunk, and I said, My kids willnever be molested.
And we thought we felt right,right?
So we enter a marriage andwe're like, we're gonna have the
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white picket fans, we're gonnahave the kids, the dog, the
house.
That's what we're gonna do.
For the most part, we did that,but we did not know about the
unacknowledged traumas that webrought underneath the big
trauma, right?
Yeah, that I felt unworthy,right?
That his mom called him a loserevery day, and so he felt
unworthy.
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And so we brought two unworthypeople in in our in our shadow,
and I just knew let's make surewe keep the peace so nobody gets
mad.
And he only knew how to haveconversations with argument and
vulgarities, yeah.
So it's like we were perfectmatch, right?
Exactly the unacknowledged, andthen of course, unresolved is
that we don't we don't healright now in personal
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development, which is amazing,we're taught to move through,
right?
Change your mindset, you know,shift through it, muscle
through.
Sure.
That's all great, but we'remind setting our way out of
healing, right?
And now we know better.
We read the books, we went tothe seminars, and then when we
find ourselves stuck again, wehave a bigger reason to shame
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ourselves because well, I readthe books, I went to the
seminar.
What's wrong with me?
It's because we're not healing,we're not upgrading the program
and we're installing newsoftware, expecting it not to
glitch.
Cassandra (20:23):
So tell us how how you can um well what you what it
sounds like is you haveembraced vulnerability, you
know, and by doing so it led youto personal empowerment.
Yes.
How did how did you do thatthough?
How did you, you know, you'reright.
(20:45):
We read the books, we listen tothe tapes, we look at the the
speakers, we go to umconferences, and you feel really
good, you know, like wow, oh mygosh, I feel good.
Then here you come a coupledays later, and like, hmm, I'm
kind of back to where I was.
How come tell my listeners howdo you sustain that?
(21:07):
And I know it's all work now,it didn't happen overnight, but
what's some methodologies tosustain that?
Jessie (21:14):
The methodology is facing off with what caused
limitation to begin with.
We can't just move through andgain confidence.
You you definitely gainconfidence by doing and taking
action, right?
However, we're not looking atwhat, like, think about it.
I had a my girlfriend, herlittle six-day old, his name was
Timothy.
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I'm holding him and I'm lookingat his little knuckles, and I'm
like, oh my god, divineperfection, right?
This little boy is just divineperfection.
And then I thought, what makesus any different?
Nothing, only the belief,right?
Only the belief.
We are still that divinity, weare still that magnificence.
But somewhere along ourjourney, we we started to put
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limitation, we started to createwhat I call heart armor around
our heart because we've beenhurt before.
So all of a sudden we developan identity, and the identity is
created from our wounding, yes,and so now we think we know who
we are, but we don't realizethat we are who we are with all
these limitations because we'vebeen hurt, and so the way to
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sustain is to actually heal,meaning that there is beauty to
be found in your darkest moment,there is light if God doesn't
waste the pain, then we have tobe able to look for why did I go
through that?
Right.
When I think about myself as alittle girl, I used to build
traps to warn me when my dad wascoming into my room.
(22:38):
Right.
So you can think about howtragic, right, that a little
girl had to create traps, didn'treally stop him, but somehow it
made me feel better.
And now I look at her and and Iused to condemn her.
I used to say, you should havedone more.
You should have kicked, youshould have screamed, you should
have poked his eye.
And I used to judge myself soharshly.
But now I think about the factthat she built traps.
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I think about how creative, howresourceful, and how courageous
of her to do this, right?
And so, because that's alsotrue.
Both are true.
This one makes me feel sad andmakes me feel, you know, hurt.
And this one allows me to fallin love with her.
I get to fall in love with theaspects of me that showed up
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with courage, that showed upwith resilience, that showed up
with curiosity and creativity,because that's also true, but
that's what we're not taught,right?
And so a lot of coaches theysay your past doesn't equal your
future.
And I'm like, I disagree withthat.
It absolutely can.
We're just not taught to holdthe gifts.
Cassandra (23:40):
Yeah, right, right.
So so what you're saying iswhat I'm what I believe that I'm
hearing is number one, and it'sa journey to be healed, you
know, and it's probably a workin process now.
Um, like many of us don't loveourselves.
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If you ask somebody what is itthat you like about yourself,
you were like a deer inheadlights, you know.
Um, and to me, that's part ofthe healing, but that's not all
of the healing.
Do you think one ever getshealed?
Jessie (24:19):
Well, healing is an interesting word, right?
We use it because it is thesimplest form of saying, let's
transmute this trauma intosomething powerful, right?
So, what is healing really?
It's rescripting the meaningyou give your experiences,
right?
So I look at my whole journeywith gratitude, right?
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Because I get to be who I amtoday.
I get to love humanity sopassionately that I want to end
suffering.
And I and I could not be thiswithout every part of my
journey.
So you want to call thathealing?
Great, right?
I call it it's it's I'mgrabbing the gifts.
If I trust that there is adivine plan, yes, then I trust
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that we don't know light withoutdark, right?
We don't know the joy of blisswithout knowing sadness and
depression, right?
So if that's the true, then Ihave to look at my entire
journey and go, like you startedthis call with like, you know,
God doesn't give us what wecan't handle, right?
It's like, so it's like, okay,so every time I see somebody
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that tells me about their painor their traumas, I'm like,
woof, you are one of God'swarriors, you know what I mean?
I only see power, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But again, but that's becauseI've trained myself now to find
the power in every situation,right?
And so now I look at there'sthere's no story that will shock
me.
All I see is if you're speakingto me right now, if you're
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listening to this podcast, youare powerful.
I know you've been knocked downto your knees.
I know you've tried yourself tosleep and you're still here.
So all I see is resilience, allI see is beauty and power.
That's all I see because you'restill standing, you got back
up.
We're not taught to see that.
Cassandra (26:11):
That's very good.
That's very good.
So, okay, well, let's talkabout your coaching.
You are for the last 18 years,you've been a peak performance
coach and life strategist.
How did that come from whereyou were and where you are now?
(26:32):
How did that transition happen?
You wanted to teach, but okay,but you were led a different
way.
What makes your coaching so uhbe it a high performance?
High performance.
Jessie (26:50):
I I consider I consider myself to have a PhD and
experience.
So you know, I I've got lots oftraining.
I've you know, I was a TonyRobbins coach for seven years.
I've I'm a trainer for theInstitute of Heart Math.
I went to India, became ameditation instructor.
I mean, I've got all of that,but nothing has taught me like
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my journey, my life.
Right?
Like that's the PhD, that'sgetting through that.
And I'm not I'm not greaterthan anybody, right?
I love Ram Das's quote thatsays, we're all just walking
each other home, right?
I'm just on a different part ofthe path, and I'm here to help
others get to that point, andand I think we're all in this
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together.
Every human being that'sawakened to their beauty, every
human being that remembers whothey are, is now a catalyst for
somebody else to remember whothey are because that's what we
feed off of each other, right?
Yeah, and you asked what got mehere.
What was that tipping pointwhen I was at that place of
apathy and I was willing myselfto die?
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It was an act of kindness thatshifted everything for me.
And the people that treated mekind will never know.
Like sometimes I wish I couldlook them up, right?
Yeah, they will never know whothey woke up, but because I was
in such heaviness, I was in suchdepression, I was in such just
um apathy, just felt like therewas no way out.
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That, and and I was taught bymy father, people, you know,
they just want to get in yourpants, so don't trust anybody,
right?
Because that's what he wasdoing.
My ex told me, you know, peoplewant to break up a good thing,
Jesse, so don't talk about ourmarriage to anybody.
And you know, people, sobasically, people are bad before
they're good.
So and if I if somebody lookedat me and my husband would get
in a fight, so I looked down atthe ground, I just I had my hair
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over my eyes, and I just Idon't want to make my contact
with anybody because I'm gonnaget in trouble.
Cassandra (28:46):
Right.
Jessie (28:47):
And so when these people were kind to me from my
interpretation for no reason,and and I was helping them in a
class that they were taking, andI didn't, I was just doing my
thing, but for them, it was soit was so unusual for me to be
that kind that they were kind tome.
They bought me a best buy, theyall put money in and bought me
a Best Buy card, which seemsminuscule, but to me, it
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short-circuited me.
I'm just like, wait, you'regiving me what?
For what reason?
Why?
Like, I again I didn't notunderstand, I didn't even know
to call it kindness.
But what I knew is it wokesomething up in me.
Whatever flicker was stillalive in me, it fueled that
fire.
And I thought, I don't evenknow what this feeling is.
Wow, but if this feeling isavailable, then life is worth
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living, right?
And that was the tipping pointfor me to get out of my
marriage.
And when I did that, I was 38years old, so uh a long time
ago, and um, I realized I had noclue who I was.
I had become such a chameleonand I had become such a shape
shifter into whatever needed tohappen to keep the peace.
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I didn't even know my favoritecolor, my favorite food.
I had no clue who I was.
I was in massive survival, butI was.
Determined from that point tounderstand humanity.
I wanted to know why my dad didwhat he did, why my mom ignored
me, why my husband did what hedid, and why I allowed it.
And that's where I went on anobsession to learn.
And it was in my moment in mytherapy where my therapist, I
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said, I want to do what you do,but that's a lot of school and
that's a lot of time.
Well, you should be a coach.
And I was like, soccer coach?
What do you mean?
You know, because that's backin like 2005.
Well, it wasn't as big a thing,but I looked into it and I I'm
more a hands-on learner.
So I found a school, uh CoachesTraining Institute that does
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half virtual, half on-site.
And I absolutely loved itbecause in the in the context of
becoming a coach, you coachyourself, right?
And as you're doing that, I'mseeing all the heart armor get
just get peeled away.
And I'm starting to be witnessto who I am.
And and in that journey, whileI'm in survival, it just
catalyzed who I got to be today.
Cassandra (31:00):
That's good.
Uh, when you talked aboutkindness, that reminded me, you
know, I always say you neverknow what people are going
through.
And, you know, and just a smileor a kind word or to just do
something, you never you neverunderestimate what you do.
And you may not know how youmade that person feel, but I
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always encourage and I talkabout love, which is the most
powerful, and that was like anact of love.
And and so I'm glad you saidthat because you know, we have
listeners who because they theyfeel that they had a bad hand
and and they show it, they actlike that to the world, you
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know, they go out there and andI call that the energy like that
drains me.
You know, it's something toenergy, you know.
So I I'm I'm I appreciate yousaying that because I remember I
was in a very low point and Iwent to Nordstrom's and I was so
vulnerable because I was sodown.
And I spoke to this girl tohelp me around the count on the
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uh over the counter, and shesays, I don't have time, I'll
get somebody else to help you.
And I was already broken, sothat really broke me.
And I realized then that I'mgonna try very hard to be kind
to everybody that I come incontact with because you you you
just don't know.
Um, so I'm I'm so glad you youshare that, and I want to talk,
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I want to move.
I love that fierce grace, butbefore we move forward, somebody
was talking about yesterday.
I was listening to somebodysay, everybody's a coach,
everybody's a life coach.
You know, I hear that all thetime.
Somebody say, Oh, everybody's acoach.
What do you do, Cassandra?
What the in your belief, thedifference between a coach
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versus a mentor?
Is that a difference?
Jessie (33:00):
That's a great question.
Um, if I had to answer that, Iwould say a coach helps you
close the gap from where you areto where you want to be, right?
So they're helping guide you,but they're helping you discover
the path, you discover thejourney, right?
Coaching is more about helpingyou discover your greatness
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versus giving you instruction onhow to do it.
A mentor, I think, is someonewho's setting an example,
somebody who's living the paththat you hope to live, or you
know, and giving you advice onhow to get to where you want to
go.
There's a difference there.
It's it feels like a nuance,but it's important because a
mentor is someone you look upto, a mentor is someone who is
exemplifying something that youwant, right?
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Where a coach is kind offeeding back to you for you to
discover and build your ownmuscle for you to be able to
activate the parts of you thatare there that you've forgotten.
Cassandra (33:55):
Okay, all right.
Okay, so the fierce grace.
Can you share with us what inthe world does that mean?
The fierce grace.
Jessie (34:06):
The fierce, fierce grace is what we all harness within
ourselves, right?
We all have for women, we havea mama bear energy, just like
don't mess with my cubs, right?
That's right.
And then we have the gracefulpart that is our feminine, that
is our flow, that is our ourability to love, to nurture, to
take care of, right?
And we all have both, even menhave feminine energy, right?
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So it is a blend of that bothparts of who we are, and what
we're getting it wrong is thatwe think it's one or the other,
right?
And for women, especially, Ithink we've we've tipped the
scales a little bit because wefought so hard to prove we could
do it all, yeah, right.
That we have a lot ofexhausted, burnt out women,
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right?
And a big part of it isbecause, well, we've been hurt,
right?
So now we show up with bigdukes and we don't know how to
put them down.
And although I get it, we hadto show up a certain way in
order to get certain things, nowwe don't know how to come out
of it, and so we're tired, we'reexhausted, and our men are
(35:12):
confused.
They're like, should I help youcarry the groceries or will I
be insulting you?
Cassandra (35:18):
Exactly.
Jessie (35:19):
Right?
And I I have the the joy ofhaving both.
I have twin sons and I have adaughter, a very feminine
daughter, and I haveheart-centered men as as as my
sons.
So I've able to be witnessed inboth, right?
I've been I've seen where mydaughter dated a hyper masculine
man who belittled her, and I'veseen where my boys have dated
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women that are you knowcontrolling and you know, so
it's just like, and so I get it,but we're scared, right?
We're scared to put down ourarms.
No, you don't understand,Jesse.
It's a dog eat dog world.
I have to go out there, but Iwant to tell you something.
A woman in her flow walks intoa corporate room of 20 men, she
will buckle every man's knees.
Cassandra (36:03):
Right.
Jessie (36:04):
We've forgotten the power of our femininity, we've
forgotten that that is thegreatest source, feminine
energy.
Just think about it.
Anybody you look up to, anybodythat you love, anybody that you
admire, every single one ofthem came from a woman.
We are the creators from awoman, yeah, right.
From a woman, right?
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So we are the creators, and sofierce grace is how do we find
balance?
How do we find our power?
How do we show up in our powerand how do we allow the the
grace to come in and do it?
So for men, I sayheart-centered leaders, right?
Leaders that don't hunt to killwhat's in front of them, they
hunt to kill to protect what'sbehind them.
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There's a difference, right?
And for women, how do we showup in our love and our nurture
and our care and bring in thatmama bear energy when needed,
but don't live there, don't staystuck there if that's not your
core essence.
And it's a balance, it's ablend of both.
And I think that when we cannavigate both, we activate our
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superpower.
Cassandra (37:09):
I like that.
I like that.
I'm liking a whole lot ofstuff.
Um, you it was something I sawthat you I don't know.
I saw it, I read it, and itmade so much sense.
You said when you fall in lovewith yourself, Jesse, what
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happens?
Jessie (37:31):
You see humanity through a different set of lenses.
You fall in love with humanitybecause you are part of the
whole, right?
When you you cannot give whatyou don't own.
So if we start to we say, I'mgonna be this loving person, but
inside you don't love yourself,there's still some parts that
you're not giving because youcan't hate this and love that.
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You have because we're allhuman beings.
If you pay if you are judgingyourself, if you are beating
yourself up for not being more,there is a judge in there that
is also judging others.
So when you fall in love withyourself, and that's the outcome
here, is to come back towholeness, come back to
remembering that divinity thatwe were when we took our first
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breath.
I always say the innocence of achild.
When we come back to thatessence, we see others through
those lenses as well.
So now when somebody's unkindor cruel, we don't take it on,
we see it as wow, they'rewounded, they're hurting because
(38:38):
in order to view venom, theyhave to eat that first.
Yeah, so instead of gettingoffended, it's I I have
compassion.
It doesn't mean I want to standon the other side of somebody's
cruelty, but I have compassion,I send them love and I move
away and I don't take it on.
Cassandra (38:55):
That's good, that's good.
Um what do you attribute youryour success?
Because you are a coach andyou're a very good coach.
Um, like um, I'm curious, thenumber one are top three in
(39:19):
measurable categories.
Like you are a high performancecoach, you've been that for for
years.
How do they qualify that?
Jessie (39:33):
Well, there's different ways, and that happened to be
for the top coaching company inthe world.
So um getting results.
Yeah.
Cassandra (39:41):
Okay.
All right.
Jessie (39:43):
So so getting results, number one.
Number two, people wanting tostay being coached.
So they renew their contracts,they renew their like I don't, I
don't want to, I don't wantthis to end.
You know what I mean?
I know that I've got blindspots, and I know that I need
somebody partnered with me tohelp me identify those blind
spots and help move through,right?
(40:04):
So um that's another category.
And and also bringing people into saying, you know what, this
is this is where you this iswhere you need to be in order to
get the results you're lookingfor, right?
So, and and I don't know allthe intricacies of the
measurements that they woulduse, but those were some of them
was retention, was um results,right?
Yeah and also new people comingin that were referred um by me.
Cassandra (40:30):
Okay, okay.
Uh, one more question.
What methodology do you use todiscover your client's deepest
potential and unlock thoselimitless opportunities?
Jessie (40:48):
Well, as I this is a great question.
As I mentioned before, thethree pillars of trauma.
Cassandra (40:53):
Yeah.
Jessie (40:54):
Right.
The way that I discover it isby identifying where is the
limitation today?
Right?
Okay.
Because it's not about I can'tgo back into your history and
say, oh, it was that or is this,it was that.
I need to know where are youstuck right now?
Cassandra (41:08):
Okay.
Jessie (41:09):
What is preventing?
Are you not, is yourrelationship not where it should
be?
It's not filled with passionand and toe-curling connection
and intimacy.
Is your are you not asking forthe raise or the promotion?
Are you lacking confidence?
Are you feeling like you're ina hamster wheel in your life,
right?
Groundhog day every day.
Where is the limitation?
And then let's talk about whatthat is.
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And then I'm able to trace itback to somewhere.
There's like this invisiblethread that's connected to
somewhere in your life where youmade a meaning that this was
not accessible to you.
Maybe it was a parent thatsaid, you know what, who was an
alcoholic and called you a loserevery day, like my ex-husband,
right?
Or it might have been ateacher.
I had somebody whose teacherjust handing in fourth grade,
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handing back their paper anddidn't get a good grade and just
muttered, you're gonna have arough life.
Just that, and by a teacher,instill the microchip in that
child's brain, right?
That said, Woof, I'm gonna havea hard life.
Teacher said so.
So now those are the lenses youwear.
That's how you see the world.
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I'm gonna have a rough life.
So, guess what?
The universal law ofreciprocity, that's the sonar
you're putting out.
That's what you're gonna getback.
Cassandra (42:23):
Wow, right?
Jessie (42:23):
So that's how we do it.
Cassandra (42:25):
Okay, all right.
Well, I could talk and ask youmore questions.
I would love to, but we we justcan't do that.
Jessie (42:35):
Well, I'm happy to come back.
Cassandra (42:36):
Yeah.
Um, do you have for mylisteners a call to action for
them that will help them movethe book the call with me?
Jessie (42:47):
So I have a free gift for your listeners.
Okay, it is a 10-step guide tofreedom.
Okay, and because some of youout there might be thinking,
sure, Jesse, that all soundsgreat, but you don't know my
situation.
You don't know how stuck I am,you don't know how I don't own
any of the power or I don't havethe money or whatever the
(43:08):
reason is.
This 10-step guide to freedomwill give you actionable steps
that you could take right now,regardless of your situation.
Cassandra (43:17):
Right.
Jessie (43:17):
And what I invite is book a call with me.
It's absolutely free.
It's just let's get anassessment.
Let's let's look at where youare right now and let's see if
there's a way to help you getout of it.
I never take a client that Icannot help.
So all we can do is getclarity.
Where are you now?
Where do you want to be?
(43:38):
And if I can help you getthere, I certainly will.
And if not, I'll guide you toplaces where you can go.
Either way, you're taking astand for you by scheduling that
call.
Cassandra (43:48):
Okay.
How will they get in touch withyou, Jesse?
Jessie (43:52):
They can go to Iam Fierce Grace.com.
Cassandra (43:55):
Okay.
Jessie (43:56):
Okay.
And in there, there's all thekind of ways that I work with
people.
Um, I'm I'm open for speakingopportunities, I'm I'm open for
a women's mastermind.
I have the healing program.
I also have a leadershipprogram.
There's a lot of different waysthere.
If you don't know which one tochoose, just click on the let's
talk and recall.
Cassandra (44:18):
Wow, that's great.
That's great.
Your path is divinely written.
I love the title, I love theconversation.
Um, you are definitelyinspiring.
I can see why you're a numberone peak performer.
I can tell, I can feel it.
I think it's great.
And I'm so glad that mylisteners have had the
(44:41):
opportunity to hear your voice,to listen to our conversation,
and also to book a call withyou, and that's free.
People like free and and and umand take those 10 steps to
guide your freedom.
Is that it?
10 steps, 10 steps to freedom,yes.
To freedom.
(45:02):
Well, Jesse, this will end ourconversation, and I will invite
you back.
You were uh a joy, and as Iindicated, I I all I tell my
listeners, you know, for you,you were magical.
And just my listeners, just soyou can hear, we had this
interview the other day, and wewere running into some technical
(45:24):
difficulties.
So, because of that, I'm like,there's something that they
don't want my listeners to hear,but I refused, and we rebooked,
and here it is today.
And I'm just so grateful.
And I tell my listeners, like Ialways say, bye for now.
God bless you.
And Jesse, thanks again.
I appreciate you.
Absolutely.
(45:44):
Thank you, Cassandra.
It's my pleasure to be here.
Welcome to Is Your Way in Your Way podcast.
And I'm your host.
My name is Cassandra CrawleyMayo.
And for those new listeners outthere, just so you'll know, uh,
the title of my book is Is YourWay in In Your Way?
So why not call this podcastthe same thing?
So it all kind of correlatesand it kind of summarizes what
(00:23):
my book is all about.
And for my new listeners again,these are individuals who I
call stuck.
You know, the things that youlike to do.
For example, you want to getout of a toxic relationship, or
you want to change jobs, or youwant to start your own company,
or you want to change churches.
It's just so many things that'slike pulling you that you know
(00:47):
that you should be doingsomething different, but you
know what?
You just can't do it.
And you're trying to figure outwhy is that, and that's why we
talk about topics related topersonal development, personal
improvement.
And I also say it will enableyou to do some self-reflection.
Okay, think about what we'regonna talk about.
(01:08):
Like today, we're gonna talkabout your path is divinely
written.
And this, what I'm gonna say,this particular podcast episode
is brought to you by the beliefthat God will never put more on
you than you can bear.
But sometimes He allows thebreaking to prepare you for your
(01:30):
breakthrough.
It's kind of like, you know,have you ever hit a wall so hard
that you thought, this is it?
I just can't go any further.
What if I told you that thewall wasn't the end, but the
beginning of your breakthrough?
And we have a special guest.
I'd like to welcome theincredible Jesse Torres, a woman
(01:52):
who walks in what she's calledfierce grace.
Get ready to be stirred,stretched, and most of all,
strengthened.
Let me welcome to the stage.
Hi, Jesse.
Jessie (02:04):
How are you today?
Hello, Cassandra.
Thank you so much for havingme.
I'm excited to be here.
Cassandra (02:10):
Oh, I'm excited for you to be here as well.
Uh, one of the things I amgoing to do before we dive into
this conversation, my listenersalways kind of want to know what
she's all about, what's herbackground, blah, blah, blah.
So I'm going to read a littlebit of your bio so they'll get
an understanding of who you are.
Jesse Torres is a peakperformance coach and life
(02:34):
strategist with nearly twodecades of experience helping
high achievers transform paininto purpose.
Globally ranked among the topcoaches in the world, Jesse has
guided thousands to breakthrough trauma and self-doubt
using her signature philosophyof fierce grace, fueled by a
(02:57):
deep love for humanity and aGod-given calling to end
suffering.
Jesse's impact lies in hersoul's staring ability to
unearth your highest potential.
Highest potential, guys,proving that there's no hardship
is wasted when you're walkingin your divine purpose.
(03:21):
And that's why we titled thisepisode Your Path is Divinely
Written.
And one of the things I'm goingto say, I would say Jesse's
greatest credential issurviving.
And we're going to talk to herabout that.
So, Jesse, what in yourbackground has inspired you to
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do what you are currently doing?
Or better yet, what qualifiesyou to do the work that you're
doing?
Jessie (03:49):
Well, what qualifies me is my journey, right?
Now, what got me there or whathad me do the things I did, all
I can say is, you know, we talkabout the path being divinely
written.
It's it's it's part of themakeup of maybe my contract with
God.
I don't know.
Because back when I was insurvival, back when, you know, I
(04:10):
got knocked down to the pointof not wanting to live this
life, I didn't consciously say,oh, I'm gonna build resilience
or I'm gonna build courage.
I didn't even know those words.
I didn't know the language.
I didn't even know that I wasliving with a ball of shame,
right?
Or unworthiness.
I had no label for it.
But I knew that I had topersevere.
(04:32):
I knew that I had to keepgoing.
And if I was going to keepgoing and, you know, continue to
be the example for my children,which I believe are one of my
biggest driving forces, I had todo things that scared me.
I had to do things that wereout of my comfort zone.
I had to challenge myself andmove past my fears.
(04:53):
And so I intentionally putthings in front of me that
scared me so that I can start tobuild that muscle.
And what I got was a whole lotof grit.
But again, I didn't know in aconscious level, I just knew
that I had to persevere, I hadto keep going.
And the only way to do that wasto move through all the things
that were trying to hold meback.
Cassandra (05:15):
Interesting.
Um, so are you saying if itwere not for your kids, you may
have done something differently?
Or you said that's really wasthe driving force for you to
continue?
Jessie (05:31):
Yes.
Well, you know, my journeyhaving had abuse with my father
my first 18 years, and thenabuse with my husband for the
next 18 years, got me to a placeof apathy where I considered
taking my own life.
Um, but I did not want my kidsto have that as you know, part
of their journey is that theirmother did this thing.
(05:53):
So I didn't, but I was hopingsomebody would do it for me.
I was praying for it because Idid not see a way out.
I didn't see a way out of thesituation I was in.
I thought if this is life, thenI don't want to be here, it's
too painful.
And so I just wanted, I waswishing somebody to blow the red
light, or I was wishing thatsome catastrophe would happen,
(06:15):
or that, and you know, to my ex,I have nothing but love and
gratitude for all of my journey.
This isn't to vilify anybody.
But back then I was in suchdisempowerment that I I even
hoped that, you know, if hetraveled that the plane would
crash and then I could be awidow and that would be okay.
Right.
And then I felt guilt and shameover even having such a
(06:35):
horrible thought.
You know what I mean?
So I was in this spin and thiscycle, and yeah, I I I would not
be here.
Cassandra (06:43):
Yeah, yeah.
I am so glad you shared thatbecause it sounds so familiar.
And I this is something mylisteners are not even aware of.
And when I say we have so manysimilarities, I can remember
times in my life, things werejust so rough that I would go to
sleep, I would actually put theBible under my pillow, and
(07:08):
hopefully, the words in thatBible would penetrate in my mind
and throughout my body.
So when I wake up, I could feelthe presence like there was
something more for me.
I too remember driving.
I traveled a lot and drivingand hoping an 18-wheeler would
hit me.
I did the same thing, and itwas scary.
(07:29):
It was like it was like theweight of the sand on a beach,
if I can describe it.
It was just so heavy, and itwas hard to.
Well, number one, it was it wastaboo.
I was actually depressed, youknow.
That's what was going on, andwe didn't want to tell anybody
because that would have been ashame.
(07:50):
You know, you have this, youhave this face that you look um,
you know, you're tough on theoutside, but on the inside,
you're just torn up.
And it was something you saidabout your brother, and you
indicated that you readsomething.
Well, we haven't talked aboutyour brothers, but you said you
(08:13):
read something that he hadwritten, and that catapulted you
into your next journey.
Would you share what was itthat he wrote?
And it's just share a littlebit about what was going on with
your brothers.
Jessie (08:27):
Well, it depends on which brother you're referring
to.
So my first uh my olderbrother, um 30 some years ago
now, uh, was murdered.
And I was 28 at the time, hewas 29.
Um, and that was uhcatastrophic from the context of
despair, uh, sadness, um,disappoint.
(08:50):
I mean, those were all of theemotions that I was living with.
And back then I was raisedCatholic, I was Christian at the
time.
I consider myself morespiritual now than I do a
religion.
But back then I thought, youknow, what if there is no God?
What if there's nothing?
Right.
And I was so upset and I was sohurt.
And I'm like, and if God, ifyou do exist, then I hate you
(09:13):
for taking my brother.
And that's kind of how I felt.
And it wasn't until he showedhimself to me that I saw him in
this deep, profound moment ofgrief.
And he just waved with his arm.
And it looked like what otherpeople, but you can't really
tell.
It's more of a the visuals likethat are not crystal clear.
And he pointed to it and hesaid, Jess, everything is as
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it's supposed to be.
And I didn't know what it meantat the time, but I know that it
brought me calm, it brought mepeace.
I knew he was okay.
And from that point has begunmy spiritual journey, my
spiritual quest to my to to seewhere where do I fit in all of
this.
Now, 30 years later, my littlebrother is murdered.
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Now, my little brother was 15at the time that my older
brother was murdered.
Two different stories, twodifferent human beings, two
different episodes, you know.
And it's just like now I'mlike, okay, no, like this now.
I felt rage.
And I I usually go to sadness,but I felt rage.
I was like, this cannot happen.
I already checked the box, Ialready lost a brother to
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murder.
This can't happen twice.
And so I was, I was really,really angry.
And in those moments, I prayed.
I'm like, okay, God.
So if both my brothers aremeant to be taken, then what do
you want with me?
Why am I here?
Why am I meant to live?
Right.
And the answer I got was, well,Jesse, you need to eat your own
(10:37):
medicine.
And I'm like, you know, andthat's hard to hear, you know,
because I'm like, okay, sothat's it.
Like, this is why this ishappening, which for me, my
medicine is that there's lightin the darkest moment always.
And sometimes when the pain isso big, we can't see it.
So here I'm in the deep throesof pain, of anger, of sadness.
(10:59):
My heart is broken.
And when I got that message,I'm like, okay, so let me eat my
own medicine.
And I was able to find it.
You know, even the depth of mysorrow was equivalent to the
depth of my love, right?
I was able to see his daughtersthat had not met before because
they're different mothers, theoldest ones, you know, come
together like they'd grown uptogether.
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They connected at the loss oftheir father.
You know, I saw my family showup in ways that they never had.
I I was able to see peopleposting on his Instagram how he
affected their lives, you know.
So there was beauty to befound.
Um it was just, you know, itwas, it was heart-wrenching, but
I could find it.
And I started to to do that.
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And I still am open to seeinghow else my life unfolds.
If it's one thing that I didn'tfind that my little brother
wrote, um, you know, just kindof sharing with me who I was in
his life, that he neverexpressed to me in life, and
also a long list of what hewanted his daughters to know.
Cassandra (12:04):
Wow.
I'm I I appreciate you sharingthat.
And I wanted that so that mylisteners could hear about your
journey.
We all have a story, and yet,as I indicated earlier, when
before we came on, we said wehave a choice.
We can be better or we can bebitter about it, and you chose
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better, and that's why I want totalk about how does one
transform their personal traumainto purposeful action?
Jessie (12:37):
Well, that's such a great question.
And here's the thing when youargue with reality, you lose
100% of the time.
So, what do I mean by that?
If I say my brother shouldn'thave been murdered, right?
Because it was wrong, he wasshot in the back.
My older brother was shotbecause he was dating a girl he
did not know was engaged prior,right?
(12:59):
Like so senseless, right?
So in my mind, I could say thatshouldn't have happened.
He was a good person.
That's not okay.
If I say it shouldn't havehappened, and I'm in that
despair, I'm in an argument withthe reality that it did, and I
will stand up to suffer.
Cassandra (13:19):
Wow.
Jessie (13:20):
So if I don't look for the gift, I only remember the
pain.
And I don't believe God wastesthe pain.
I believe we do if we chooseto.
So if this is part of thedivine plan, then how do I find
the good?
How do I find the gift?
You know, the ripple effect, myolder brother, there was over
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300 people at his funeral,people we didn't know, but
people whose lives he touched.
Yes, you know, it's like wow,like so.
I don't know the ripple effectof the loss of him and how it
affected others.
I just trust that it's it's inthe divine order.
I trust that it's part of thejourney.
And maybe, you know, I you Iuse uh John Walsh as an example,
(14:04):
the guy that created America'sMost Wanted, right?
He did that on the heels of theloss of his six-year-old son
Adam, right?
And so if you look at it fromour path is divinely written,
you know, maybe Adam's contractwith God was that he was going
to come here for six short yearsand then leave to be the
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catalyst for John to wake up tohis purpose because he was gonna
save the many.
Cassandra (14:35):
And he did.
Jessie (14:36):
And God knew that God knew John's divine contract, and
he says, you know what?
In order to wake him up toreally stand strong and help the
many, then you, Adam, you'regonna show up as his son, and
then you're gonna leave us atthe age of six in a very
traumatic way, and you're gonnacome home.
Cassandra (14:53):
Yes, that's that, yeah, that's powerful.
You know, I hear a lot ofpeople say, I'm gonna change the
narrative.
What you did, but like youindicated, makes so much sense.
Um, you you know the reality,but then you put a different
spin on it, you know, you pivot,and that was a great example
about John and and his son.
Um, and I bet you that Johnkind of got to that place, had
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to, it in order to let it go.
Because when you don't, youhold on to it, and it's like a
cancer.
You don't, you're not doingwhat it is that you were called
to do.
So the doc.
So your darkest moments fueledyour passion and purpose.
And when you were growing up,did you what did you want to do?
(15:42):
Did you have a dream oranything about what you wanted
to do?
Jessie (15:46):
Um, you know, it's an interesting question.
I think when I was little, Ithought about being a teacher.
You know, I always wanted to bea mom.
That was a big deal for me.
I wanted to have babies, youknow, and I thought being a
teacher would be nice, but Ididn't really even know how to
dream, to be honest.
I was I was in such survival inmy childhood that I just wanted
to be free from the pain.
(16:07):
Yeah, and when my my ex-husbandentered my world, you know, he
pretty much rescued me from thatspace because he called out
what I was going through with myfather.
Out of all the years of goingthrough that, out of trying to
tell my mom when I was 16 and mywords were twisted and I never
heard anything about it again.
(16:28):
Um, now I'm 18, and he comes inand he calls it out.
And I'm just like, what?
And then I shared with himprobably more than he needed to
hear, but he still wanted to bewith me.
And at that point, I didn'tknow that I adopted the belief
that I was gross, filthy, anddamaged goods and no one would
love me.
I didn't consciously know, butthat's how I felt.
(16:50):
So the fact that he knew mydirty secret, yeah, and he still
wanted to be with me, I fellmadly in love.
Sure.
Right.
And so at that moment, I waslike, I want to be with him to
get away from this, right?
And um, I told my mom I wasgonna move out, and being the
beautiful, and again, nooffense, her her Catholic faith.
(17:13):
She's just like my daughterwould not live with a man and
not be married.
Yeah, so I moved out Monday, Iwas married Friday.
And I was 18, I was in love.
So I'm like, okay, sure, youknow, and he was like, okay, so
you know, we did it.
And here's what I identify astrauma.
So I there's three pillars totrauma there's undiagnosed,
there's unacknowledged, andthere's unresolved.
(17:36):
And when you think about theundiagnosed, these are the the
things we don't know to know,right?
If you take a little boy who'sat the grocery store with his
mother and he's playing with thetoys in the aisle, and mom goes
to the end of the aisle to grabsomething, she can see him, but
he can't see her.
He waits, he looks up and he'slike, Mommy, where are you?
Right.
And he gets scared and hiswhole body contracts.
(17:58):
Mom's right there withinseconds, but in that moment, the
child unconsciously anchors, Icould be abandoned, I could be
left behind.
And now he's clingy and doesn'twant mom to be out of the room
for too long or doesn't want herto go to the store without him.
Now he's 35, and he doesn'tknow why he can't keep a
relationship because he's toocontrolling and secure and
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jealous, right?
Yes, he doesn't know that it'stied to that moment in the
grocery store.
There's no abuse, nobody didanything wrong, but that's what
we do as human beings.
We make meaning out of oursituation, right?
So that's the undiagnosed.
The unacknowledged was myhusband and I, my my ex-husband.
He came from a very abusivealcoholic mother who raised him.
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He would, he was the uh onlyboy, the youngest of four.
He would come home to hissisters unconscious on the on
the floor.
That's how brutal she was,right?
So when we got together, hesaid, My kids will never see me
drunk, and I said, My kids willnever be molested.
And we thought we felt right,right?
So we enter a marriage andwe're like, we're gonna have the
(19:06):
white picket fans, we're gonnahave the kids, the dog, the
house.
That's what we're gonna do.
For the most part, we did that,but we did not know about the
unacknowledged traumas that webrought underneath the big
trauma, right?
Yeah, that I felt unworthy,right?
That his mom called him a loserevery day, and so he felt
unworthy.
(19:26):
And so we brought two unworthypeople in in our in our shadow,
and I just knew let's make surewe keep the peace so nobody gets
mad.
And he only knew how to haveconversations with argument and
vulgarities, yeah.
So it's like we were perfectmatch, right?
Exactly the unacknowledged, andthen of course, unresolved is
that we don't we don't healright now in personal
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development, which is amazing,we're taught to move through,
right?
Change your mindset, you know,shift through it, muscle
through.
Sure.
That's all great, but we'remind setting our way out of
healing, right?
And now we know better.
We read the books, we went tothe seminars, and then when we
find ourselves stuck again, wehave a bigger reason to shame
(20:11):
ourselves because well, I readthe books, I went to the
seminar.
What's wrong with me?
It's because we're not healing,we're not upgrading the program
and we're installing newsoftware, expecting it not to
glitch.
Cassandra (20:23):
So tell us how how you can um well what you what it
sounds like is you haveembraced vulnerability, you
know, and by doing so it led youto personal empowerment.
Yes.
How did how did you do thatthough?
How did you, you know, you'reright.
(20:45):
We read the books, we listen tothe tapes, we look at the the
speakers, we go to umconferences, and you feel really
good, you know, like wow, oh mygosh, I feel good.
Then here you come a coupledays later, and like, hmm, I'm
kind of back to where I was.
How come tell my listeners howdo you sustain that?
(21:07):
And I know it's all work now,it didn't happen overnight, but
what's some methodologies tosustain that?
Jessie (21:14):
The methodology is facing off with what caused
limitation to begin with.
We can't just move through andgain confidence.
You you definitely gainconfidence by doing and taking
action, right?
However, we're not looking atwhat, like, think about it.
I had a my girlfriend, herlittle six-day old, his name was
Timothy.
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I'm holding him and I'm lookingat his little knuckles, and I'm
like, oh my god, divineperfection, right?
This little boy is just divineperfection.
And then I thought, what makesus any different?
Nothing, only the belief,right?
Only the belief.
We are still that divinity, weare still that magnificence.
But somewhere along ourjourney, we we started to put
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limitation, we started to createwhat I call heart armor around
our heart because we've beenhurt before.
So all of a sudden we developan identity, and the identity is
created from our wounding, yes,and so now we think we know who
we are, but we don't realizethat we are who we are with all
these limitations because we'vebeen hurt, and so the way to
(22:18):
sustain is to actually heal,meaning that there is beauty to
be found in your darkest moment,there is light if God doesn't
waste the pain, then we have tobe able to look for why did I go
through that?
Right.
When I think about myself as alittle girl, I used to build
traps to warn me when my dad wascoming into my room.
(22:38):
Right.
So you can think about howtragic, right, that a little
girl had to create traps, didn'treally stop him, but somehow it
made me feel better.
And now I look at her and and Iused to condemn her.
I used to say, you should havedone more.
You should have kicked, youshould have screamed, you should
have poked his eye.
And I used to judge myself soharshly.
But now I think about the factthat she built traps.
(23:00):
I think about how creative, howresourceful, and how courageous
of her to do this, right?
And so, because that's alsotrue.
Both are true.
This one makes me feel sad andmakes me feel, you know, hurt.
And this one allows me to fallin love with her.
I get to fall in love with theaspects of me that showed up
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with courage, that showed upwith resilience, that showed up
with curiosity and creativity,because that's also true, but
that's what we're not taught,right?
And so a lot of coaches theysay your past doesn't equal your
future.
And I'm like, I disagree withthat.
It absolutely can.
We're just not taught to holdthe gifts.
Cassandra (23:40):
Yeah, right, right.
So so what you're saying iswhat I'm what I believe that I'm
hearing is number one, and it'sa journey to be healed, you
know, and it's probably a workin process now.
Um, like many of us don't loveourselves.
(24:02):
If you ask somebody what is itthat you like about yourself,
you were like a deer inheadlights, you know.
Um, and to me, that's part ofthe healing, but that's not all
of the healing.
Do you think one ever getshealed?
Jessie (24:19):
Well, healing is an interesting word, right?
We use it because it is thesimplest form of saying, let's
transmute this trauma intosomething powerful, right?
So, what is healing really?
It's rescripting the meaningyou give your experiences,
right?
So I look at my whole journeywith gratitude, right?
(24:42):
Because I get to be who I amtoday.
I get to love humanity sopassionately that I want to end
suffering.
And I and I could not be thiswithout every part of my
journey.
So you want to call thathealing?
Great, right?
I call it it's it's I'mgrabbing the gifts.
If I trust that there is adivine plan, yes, then I trust
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that we don't know light withoutdark, right?
We don't know the joy of blisswithout knowing sadness and
depression, right?
So if that's the true, then Ihave to look at my entire
journey and go, like you startedthis call with like, you know,
God doesn't give us what wecan't handle, right?
It's like, so it's like, okay,so every time I see somebody
(25:27):
that tells me about their painor their traumas, I'm like,
woof, you are one of God'swarriors, you know what I mean?
I only see power, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But again, but that's becauseI've trained myself now to find
the power in every situation,right?
And so now I look at there'sthere's no story that will shock
me.
All I see is if you're speakingto me right now, if you're
(25:50):
listening to this podcast, youare powerful.
I know you've been knocked downto your knees.
I know you've tried yourself tosleep and you're still here.
So all I see is resilience, allI see is beauty and power.
That's all I see because you'restill standing, you got back
up.
We're not taught to see that.
Cassandra (26:11):
That's very good.
That's very good.
So, okay, well, let's talkabout your coaching.
You are for the last 18 years,you've been a peak performance
coach and life strategist.
How did that come from whereyou were and where you are now?
(26:32):
How did that transition happen?
You wanted to teach, but okay,but you were led a different
way.
What makes your coaching so uhbe it a high performance?
High performance.
Jessie (26:50):
I I consider I consider myself to have a PhD and
experience.
So you know, I I've got lots oftraining.
I've you know, I was a TonyRobbins coach for seven years.
I've I'm a trainer for theInstitute of Heart Math.
I went to India, became ameditation instructor.
I mean, I've got all of that,but nothing has taught me like
(27:12):
my journey, my life.
Right?
Like that's the PhD, that'sgetting through that.
And I'm not I'm not greaterthan anybody, right?
I love Ram Das's quote thatsays, we're all just walking
each other home, right?
I'm just on a different part ofthe path, and I'm here to help
others get to that point, andand I think we're all in this
(27:35):
together.
Every human being that'sawakened to their beauty, every
human being that remembers whothey are, is now a catalyst for
somebody else to remember whothey are because that's what we
feed off of each other, right?
Yeah, and you asked what got mehere.
What was that tipping pointwhen I was at that place of
apathy and I was willing myselfto die?
(27:57):
It was an act of kindness thatshifted everything for me.
And the people that treated mekind will never know.
Like sometimes I wish I couldlook them up, right?
Yeah, they will never know whothey woke up, but because I was
in such heaviness, I was in suchdepression, I was in such just
um apathy, just felt like therewas no way out.
(28:19):
That, and and I was taught bymy father, people, you know,
they just want to get in yourpants, so don't trust anybody,
right?
Because that's what he wasdoing.
My ex told me, you know, peoplewant to break up a good thing,
Jesse, so don't talk about ourmarriage to anybody.
And you know, people, sobasically, people are bad before
they're good.
So and if I if somebody lookedat me and my husband would get
in a fight, so I looked down atthe ground, I just I had my hair
(28:41):
over my eyes, and I just Idon't want to make my contact
with anybody because I'm gonnaget in trouble.
Cassandra (28:46):
Right.
Jessie (28:47):
And so when these people were kind to me from my
interpretation for no reason,and and I was helping them in a
class that they were taking, andI didn't, I was just doing my
thing, but for them, it was soit was so unusual for me to be
that kind that they were kind tome.
They bought me a best buy, theyall put money in and bought me
a Best Buy card, which seemsminuscule, but to me, it
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short-circuited me.
I'm just like, wait, you'regiving me what?
For what reason?
Why?
Like, I again I didn't notunderstand, I didn't even know
to call it kindness.
But what I knew is it wokesomething up in me.
Whatever flicker was stillalive in me, it fueled that
fire.
And I thought, I don't evenknow what this feeling is.
Wow, but if this feeling isavailable, then life is worth
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living, right?
And that was the tipping pointfor me to get out of my
marriage.
And when I did that, I was 38years old, so uh a long time
ago, and um, I realized I had noclue who I was.
I had become such a chameleonand I had become such a shape
shifter into whatever needed tohappen to keep the peace.
(29:53):
I didn't even know my favoritecolor, my favorite food.
I had no clue who I was.
I was in massive survival, butI was.
Determined from that point tounderstand humanity.
I wanted to know why my dad didwhat he did, why my mom ignored
me, why my husband did what hedid, and why I allowed it.
And that's where I went on anobsession to learn.
And it was in my moment in mytherapy where my therapist, I
(30:15):
said, I want to do what you do,but that's a lot of school and
that's a lot of time.
Well, you should be a coach.
And I was like, soccer coach?
What do you mean?
You know, because that's backin like 2005.
Well, it wasn't as big a thing,but I looked into it and I I'm
more a hands-on learner.
So I found a school, uh CoachesTraining Institute that does
(30:36):
half virtual, half on-site.
And I absolutely loved itbecause in the in the context of
becoming a coach, you coachyourself, right?
And as you're doing that, I'mseeing all the heart armor get
just get peeled away.
And I'm starting to be witnessto who I am.
And and in that journey, whileI'm in survival, it just
catalyzed who I got to be today.
Cassandra (31:00):
That's good.
Uh, when you talked aboutkindness, that reminded me, you
know, I always say you neverknow what people are going
through.
And, you know, and just a smileor a kind word or to just do
something, you never you neverunderestimate what you do.
And you may not know how youmade that person feel, but I
(31:25):
always encourage and I talkabout love, which is the most
powerful, and that was like anact of love.
And and so I'm glad you saidthat because you know, we have
listeners who because they theyfeel that they had a bad hand
and and they show it, they actlike that to the world, you
(31:48):
know, they go out there and andI call that the energy like that
drains me.
You know, it's something toenergy, you know.
So I I'm I'm I appreciate yousaying that because I remember I
was in a very low point and Iwent to Nordstrom's and I was so
vulnerable because I was sodown.
And I spoke to this girl tohelp me around the count on the
(32:11):
uh over the counter, and shesays, I don't have time, I'll
get somebody else to help you.
And I was already broken, sothat really broke me.
And I realized then that I'mgonna try very hard to be kind
to everybody that I come incontact with because you you you
just don't know.
Um, so I'm I'm so glad you youshare that, and I want to talk,
(32:34):
I want to move.
I love that fierce grace, butbefore we move forward, somebody
was talking about yesterday.
I was listening to somebodysay, everybody's a coach,
everybody's a life coach.
You know, I hear that all thetime.
Somebody say, Oh, everybody's acoach.
What do you do, Cassandra?
What the in your belief, thedifference between a coach
(32:55):
versus a mentor?
Is that a difference?
Jessie (33:00):
That's a great question.
Um, if I had to answer that, Iwould say a coach helps you
close the gap from where you areto where you want to be, right?
So they're helping guide you,but they're helping you discover
the path, you discover thejourney, right?
Coaching is more about helpingyou discover your greatness
(33:22):
versus giving you instruction onhow to do it.
A mentor, I think, is someonewho's setting an example,
somebody who's living the paththat you hope to live, or you
know, and giving you advice onhow to get to where you want to
go.
There's a difference there.
It's it feels like a nuance,but it's important because a
mentor is someone you look upto, a mentor is someone who is
exemplifying something that youwant, right?
(33:44):
Where a coach is kind offeeding back to you for you to
discover and build your ownmuscle for you to be able to
activate the parts of you thatare there that you've forgotten.
Cassandra (33:55):
Okay, all right.
Okay, so the fierce grace.
Can you share with us what inthe world does that mean?
The fierce grace.
Jessie (34:06):
The fierce, fierce grace is what we all harness within
ourselves, right?
We all have for women, we havea mama bear energy, just like
don't mess with my cubs, right?
That's right.
And then we have the gracefulpart that is our feminine, that
is our flow, that is our ourability to love, to nurture, to
take care of, right?
And we all have both, even menhave feminine energy, right?
(34:30):
So it is a blend of that bothparts of who we are, and what
we're getting it wrong is thatwe think it's one or the other,
right?
And for women, especially, Ithink we've we've tipped the
scales a little bit because wefought so hard to prove we could
do it all, yeah, right.
That we have a lot ofexhausted, burnt out women,
(34:52):
right?
And a big part of it isbecause, well, we've been hurt,
right?
So now we show up with bigdukes and we don't know how to
put them down.
And although I get it, we hadto show up a certain way in
order to get certain things, nowwe don't know how to come out
of it, and so we're tired, we'reexhausted, and our men are
(35:12):
confused.
They're like, should I help youcarry the groceries or will I
be insulting you?
Cassandra (35:18):
Exactly.
Jessie (35:19):
Right?
And I I have the the joy ofhaving both.
I have twin sons and I have adaughter, a very feminine
daughter, and I haveheart-centered men as as as my
sons.
So I've able to be witnessed inboth, right?
I've been I've seen where mydaughter dated a hyper masculine
man who belittled her, and I'veseen where my boys have dated
(35:42):
women that are you knowcontrolling and you know, so
it's just like, and so I get it,but we're scared, right?
We're scared to put down ourarms.
No, you don't understand,Jesse.
It's a dog eat dog world.
I have to go out there, but Iwant to tell you something.
A woman in her flow walks intoa corporate room of 20 men, she
will buckle every man's knees.
Cassandra (36:03):
Right.
Jessie (36:04):
We've forgotten the power of our femininity, we've
forgotten that that is thegreatest source, feminine
energy.
Just think about it.
Anybody you look up to, anybodythat you love, anybody that you
admire, every single one ofthem came from a woman.
We are the creators from awoman, yeah, right.
From a woman, right?
(36:25):
So we are the creators, and sofierce grace is how do we find
balance?
How do we find our power?
How do we show up in our powerand how do we allow the the
grace to come in and do it?
So for men, I sayheart-centered leaders, right?
Leaders that don't hunt to killwhat's in front of them, they
hunt to kill to protect what'sbehind them.
(36:46):
There's a difference, right?
And for women, how do we showup in our love and our nurture
and our care and bring in thatmama bear energy when needed,
but don't live there, don't staystuck there if that's not your
core essence.
And it's a balance, it's ablend of both.
And I think that when we cannavigate both, we activate our
(37:06):
superpower.
Cassandra (37:09):
I like that.
I like that.
I'm liking a whole lot ofstuff.
Um, you it was something I sawthat you I don't know.
I saw it, I read it, and itmade so much sense.
You said when you fall in lovewith yourself, Jesse, what
(37:30):
happens?
Jessie (37:31):
You see humanity through a different set of lenses.
You fall in love with humanitybecause you are part of the
whole, right?
When you you cannot give whatyou don't own.
So if we start to we say, I'mgonna be this loving person, but
inside you don't love yourself,there's still some parts that
you're not giving because youcan't hate this and love that.
(37:56):
You have because we're allhuman beings.
If you pay if you are judgingyourself, if you are beating
yourself up for not being more,there is a judge in there that
is also judging others.
So when you fall in love withyourself, and that's the outcome
here, is to come back towholeness, come back to
remembering that divinity thatwe were when we took our first
(38:17):
breath.
I always say the innocence of achild.
When we come back to thatessence, we see others through
those lenses as well.
So now when somebody's unkindor cruel, we don't take it on,
we see it as wow, they'rewounded, they're hurting because
(38:38):
in order to view venom, theyhave to eat that first.
Yeah, so instead of gettingoffended, it's I I have
compassion.
It doesn't mean I want to standon the other side of somebody's
cruelty, but I have compassion,I send them love and I move
away and I don't take it on.
Cassandra (38:55):
That's good, that's good.
Um what do you attribute youryour success?
Because you are a coach andyou're a very good coach.
Um, like um, I'm curious, thenumber one are top three in
(39:19):
measurable categories.
Like you are a high performancecoach, you've been that for for
years.
How do they qualify that?
Jessie (39:33):
Well, there's different ways, and that happened to be
for the top coaching company inthe world.
So um getting results.
Yeah.
Cassandra (39:41):
Okay.
All right.
Jessie (39:43):
So so getting results, number one.
Number two, people wanting tostay being coached.
So they renew their contracts,they renew their like I don't, I
don't want to, I don't wantthis to end.
You know what I mean?
I know that I've got blindspots, and I know that I need
somebody partnered with me tohelp me identify those blind
spots and help move through,right?
(40:04):
So um that's another category.
And and also bringing people into saying, you know what, this
is this is where you this iswhere you need to be in order to
get the results you're lookingfor, right?
So, and and I don't know allthe intricacies of the
measurements that they woulduse, but those were some of them
was retention, was um results,right?
Yeah and also new people comingin that were referred um by me.
Cassandra (40:30):
Okay, okay.
Uh, one more question.
What methodology do you use todiscover your client's deepest
potential and unlock thoselimitless opportunities?
Jessie (40:48):
Well, as I this is a great question.
As I mentioned before, thethree pillars of trauma.
Cassandra (40:53):
Yeah.
Jessie (40:54):
Right.
The way that I discover it isby identifying where is the
limitation today?
Right?
Okay.
Because it's not about I can'tgo back into your history and
say, oh, it was that or is this,it was that.
I need to know where are youstuck right now?
Cassandra (41:08):
Okay.
Jessie (41:09):
What is preventing?
Are you not, is yourrelationship not where it should
be?
It's not filled with passionand and toe-curling connection
and intimacy.
Is your are you not asking forthe raise or the promotion?
Are you lacking confidence?
Are you feeling like you're ina hamster wheel in your life,
right?
Groundhog day every day.
Where is the limitation?
And then let's talk about whatthat is.
(41:31):
And then I'm able to trace itback to somewhere.
There's like this invisiblethread that's connected to
somewhere in your life where youmade a meaning that this was
not accessible to you.
Maybe it was a parent thatsaid, you know what, who was an
alcoholic and called you a loserevery day, like my ex-husband,
right?
Or it might have been ateacher.
I had somebody whose teacherjust handing in fourth grade,
(41:54):
handing back their paper anddidn't get a good grade and just
muttered, you're gonna have arough life.
Just that, and by a teacher,instill the microchip in that
child's brain, right?
That said, Woof, I'm gonna havea hard life.
Teacher said so.
So now those are the lenses youwear.
That's how you see the world.
(42:15):
I'm gonna have a rough life.
So, guess what?
The universal law ofreciprocity, that's the sonar
you're putting out.
That's what you're gonna getback.
Cassandra (42:23):
Wow, right?
Jessie (42:23):
So that's how we do it.
Cassandra (42:25):
Okay, all right.
Well, I could talk and ask youmore questions.
I would love to, but we we justcan't do that.
Jessie (42:35):
Well, I'm happy to come back.
Cassandra (42:36):
Yeah.
Um, do you have for mylisteners a call to action for
them that will help them movethe book the call with me?
Jessie (42:47):
So I have a free gift for your listeners.
Okay, it is a 10-step guide tofreedom.
Okay, and because some of youout there might be thinking,
sure, Jesse, that all soundsgreat, but you don't know my
situation.
You don't know how stuck I am,you don't know how I don't own
any of the power or I don't havethe money or whatever the
(43:08):
reason is.
This 10-step guide to freedomwill give you actionable steps
that you could take right now,regardless of your situation.
Cassandra (43:17):
Right.
Jessie (43:17):
And what I invite is book a call with me.
It's absolutely free.
It's just let's get anassessment.
Let's let's look at where youare right now and let's see if
there's a way to help you getout of it.
I never take a client that Icannot help.
So all we can do is getclarity.
Where are you now?
Where do you want to be?
(43:38):
And if I can help you getthere, I certainly will.
And if not, I'll guide you toplaces where you can go.
Either way, you're taking astand for you by scheduling that
call.
Cassandra (43:48):
Okay.
How will they get in touch withyou, Jesse?
Jessie (43:52):
They can go to Iam Fierce Grace.com.
Cassandra (43:55):
Okay.
Jessie (43:56):
Okay.
And in there, there's all thekind of ways that I work with
people.
Um, I'm I'm open for speakingopportunities, I'm I'm open for
a women's mastermind.
I have the healing program.
I also have a leadershipprogram.
There's a lot of different waysthere.
If you don't know which one tochoose, just click on the let's
talk and recall.
Cassandra (44:18):
Wow, that's great.
That's great.
Your path is divinely written.
I love the title, I love theconversation.
Um, you are definitelyinspiring.
I can see why you're a numberone peak performer.
I can tell, I can feel it.
I think it's great.
And I'm so glad that mylisteners have had the
(44:41):
opportunity to hear your voice,to listen to our conversation,
and also to book a call withyou, and that's free.
People like free and and and umand take those 10 steps to
guide your freedom.
Is that it?
10 steps, 10 steps to freedom,yes.
To freedom.
(45:02):
Well, Jesse, this will end ourconversation, and I will invite
you back.
You were uh a joy, and as Iindicated, I I all I tell my
listeners, you know, for you,you were magical.
And just my listeners, just soyou can hear, we had this
interview the other day, and wewere running into some technical
(45:24):
difficulties.
So, because of that, I'm like,there's something that they
don't want my listeners to hear,but I refused, and we rebooked,
and here it is today.
And I'm just so grateful.
And I tell my listeners, like Ialways say, bye for now.
God bless you.
And Jesse, thanks again.
I appreciate you.
Absolutely.
(45:44):
Thank you, Cassandra.
It's my pleasure to be here.
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