March 24, 2025 • 50 mins
This week we are returning to Disney live action remakes with One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961) and 101 Dalmatians (1996)
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The Movies:
One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961)
Directed by Clyde Geronimi, Hamilton Luske & Wolfgang Reitherman
Written by Bill Peet
Based on the book by Dodie Smith
iMDb Rating: 7.3
Directed by Stephen Herek
Written by John Hughes
Based on the book by Dodie Smith
iMDB Rating: 5.8
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Content Warning: Mentions of animal abuse, animal death, the fur industry
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Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nick. And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast where
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two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them. Continuing
our ongoing remake series, we are comparing the animated 1961 101 Dalmatians and the live
action 1996 101 Dalmatians. Yep. Spoiler alert, there's a lot of Dalmatians. There are in fact
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more Dalmatians than you would think. Even based on the titles of these movies. There are many
Dalmatians. Yeah, so we're back to Disney live action remakes with the OG Disney live action
remake that people forget because people say that I think Cinderella was the first. But that was
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like 20 years after this one. So yeah, the original Disney live action remake 101 Dalmatians. Fair enough.
Where do you want to start? Because I was going to say that the live action movie took away a
lot of the charm. And I didn't there are there are some standout performances. Glenn Close's
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performance is iconic, deranged, beautiful, scary, all the objectives. No, no, sorry. You could get
for a villain. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of that was her being like, why isn't she scary? And from the
script, I'm gonna make her scarier. Yeah, Glenn Close committed everything to this film and did
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an incredible job. And the disappointing part is she acts circles around everybody else. And it's
funny to me because because of I think the the popularity of the TV show House. I was gonna say
huge Laurie. Hugh Laurie is I forgot he was like started off in comedy. I remember. Yeah, like
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Blackadder. Yeah, yeah. House is comedy, though, kind of to an extent as well. Right. It's a
dramedy. It's a sub real sub reality drama. Yeah. Yeah, I just I forgot he was in comedies. And
then watching him in this movie. And his over the top. And it's the same with the guy who played I
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can't remember the actor's name. The guy who played Mark Williams. Yeah, Mark Williams. Arthur Weasley. Yeah.
Like Horace. Yeah, it's. He really annoyed me in this film. Yeah, honestly, both of them irritated
me. I mean, Hugh Laurie has like some amount of charm. Yeah. That he drags himself out of the
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mud on in this film. But Mark Williams was like I was like, was he always this terrible? It was the
scene for me when they both fall on the electric fence. Oh, yeah. And they're just making silly
faces. Yeah. And it's like that would have been really fun to film. But on film it looks awful.
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I had a weird thought in the middle of watching the kind of hijinks with Horace and Jasper where
I was like, oh, this is like Home Alone but for kids. And then I remembered Home Alone is for kids.
So this is just like it's like if someone was making Home Alone and forgot that kids can be
intelligent. Yeah. But then again, I enjoyed these movies as a kid. And it's weird because I hadn't
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seen them. I don't think I've seen either of these movies since childhood. They're both movies that
I watched quite a bit in childhood. And we talked about I saw 102 Dalmatians in cinema. But I think
I had like mushed them into one film in my head. Like, for example, I was surprised that Cruella
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in the animated film isn't Anita's boss and doesn't have a fashion industry. I was like,
wait, I thought that was her whole shtick, but that's just in the remake. Yeah. That was a
vent for that. But also, yeah, I definitely had I did think that's something that we'd probably
talk about a lot today is that the live action remake is more cartoonish than the animated film.
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Which feels like a weird statement to make. There are certain aspects of the live action one
that I think are genuinely like more interesting and sort of the world they're building,
because they're both set in London, despite time periods and the fact that they can just
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apparently move whenever they want, even though they're like allegedly both broke, kind of.
Yeah, I don't know. That happens in both movies that they're like, we're broke. We've got no money.
It's like, but you can afford a full time housekeeper. Yeah. And also, when you have 15 poppies,
you're like, oh, it's fine. We'll keep them. We'll raise these 15 puppies. And then when,
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you know, when 84 more puppies show up, you're like, that's no problem. We'll just buy a bigger
house and live there with all our puppies. It's like, where are you getting this money?
I do like the fact that I cannot remember the actual character's name anymore. Roger. Thank you.
Their creativeness is still portrayed both ways. Jeff Bridges is a video game designer. Jeff Bridges, sorry.
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He's not even in the movie. Jeff Daniels? Jeff Daniels is a video game designer. And the original Roger, the animated Roger,
is basically making jingles or music. Yeah. He's like a jazz composer. Yeah. And I love how they both
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take Cruella in and put them into their media. And that's what makes them famous. Yeah. Yeah.
They get successful off her name. Yeah. But I think the biggest takeaway, because obviously
doesn't work in live action. And the weird CGI that we're doing to the dogs faces to have
give them like cartoonish expressions was a little bit uncomfortable because it's a sort of that
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uncanny valley of like kind of borderline the live action Scooby-Doo movies. I do think they made the
right decision in not having the dogs talk. Correct. Cause Look Who's Talking Now is a very bizarre movie.
And there are a lot of talking animal movies and they do them in different ways. Like some of them
have like just real animals where they put peanut butter in their mouth or something and others,
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you know, CG on them as long way home. I think that's the movie. I don't know.
Babe, babe. Yeah. And baby, they just, they just like let them use their normal faces and
put a voiceover over it. Like make you just Hugo weaving, talking over a cheat dog. I do feel that
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the, because the animals talk and they're sort of the actual main characters in the animated movie,
I feel this appeals more towards like involving children rather than just
klutzy humans doing klutzy human things. And then the stories about the dogs. Yeah. It's weird. I
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mean, I, cause it's, it's, it's like, they're trying to make two different movies at the same time.
I mean, it's written by Chris Columbus who wrote Home Alone. And to some extent, I feel like for
part of that movie, he was just like trying to cash in on being the writer of Home Alone again.
Yeah. A little bit. You have the dogs, Kevin McAllistering, Horace and Jasper through the
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DeVille Mansion. And it's a weird, it's just weird. It's just strange. And it's, it's not funny in the
way that Home Alone is. And it's not inventive in the way that Home Alone is. The dog's not actually
setting this stuff up. The dog's just barking at them and then they, they stumble into stuff.
You know, whereas obviously Home Alone works because it's this little kid being like,
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well, I'm the man of the house and I have to defend it. And you're like, oh my God.
Whereas in this, you know, it's just these, it's just a puppy being annoying and these guys being
so idiotic that they're just doing this to themselves.
It does get that way. I think the, the two, the two henchmen characters in the animated one are a
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little bit more menacing. They still have that sort of slapstick back and forward, you know,
what you expect. But I feel that they're more menacing in the live, in the animated versus
live action. Because again, like I said, they're just pulling silly faces and falling through walls
and stuff. Yeah. Like, because Mr. Skinner is not in the... No, in the animated one, it's, they're
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going to do the job. So these, this is a child friendly episode and these movies are suitable
for children, but we are going to talk about a scary bit because they do plan to kill the dogs.
Yeah. And it is more menacing in the animated one because you don't, I mean, from everything
we've seen of Horace and Jethro in the live action, they're bumbling messes. They haven't noticed
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all these dogs disappearing. You know, they like, they don't know anything that's going on.
And we don't believe that they have the capacity to do this. In the animated version, it feels like,
oh, these guys are really going to do that. Yeah. These are, these are like, because they're just
like two random useless goons in the live action. But in the animated one, you know, they have a
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criminal record and they have, and they're watching, which was really weird, a parody version of
What's My Line called What's My Crime. And they know the guy who's on there has been arrested for
a violent crime. So, you know, so there's this whole kind of aura around them where you're like,
oh, these guys are career criminals and they might not be the smartest career criminals,
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but that actually makes it more frightening in some ways because they're just, they don't actually
care. They're just going to do what they're told and kill these puppies. And you believe that
they're actually going to do it. So it makes them like, and there's, you know, and also that there's
that kind of timeframe where like, you know, you know that they're going to do it as soon as they
finish watching this show, because they set that up that Corilla says, do it now. And they're like,
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okay, well, you know, we can just finish watching their show and then we'll kill them.
Whereas in the live action remake, she's not even telling them to do it. She's sending someone to
do it. And then they're like, ah, let's just do it. And it just happens to be after the dogs are gone.
Yeah, because they're waiting for Mr. Skinner, who's the character from the live action, who
apparently had also recently broken into a zoo and stolen, poached a Siberian tiger.
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And skinned alive at the zoo, I think is what's implied. Yeah. That they found the dead tiger at
the zoo, which is very sad. Poaching is bad. I think Cruella is menacing in both. Yes. She,
I just feel Glenn Close's portrayal is just so much better.
Than anything else in the movie.
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Pretty much. Yeah. I feel like if they'd picked a different actor to play Cruella,
or she hadn't literally acted her heart out and just really brought a lot to the screen,
I think the movie would be one less in basically the mind of every child who's ever seen this movie,
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but also just worse and much more forgettable to the point where we probably wouldn't be doing
this episode based on it. Yeah. Because it would just be like, oh, terrible cash cash in remake
aimed at children, nothing spectacular. Yeah. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,
it's, it's, yeah, exactly. You're hitting all the points there. I'm literally struggling to add to
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any of that. It's just perfectly done. I do think the humans, the human owners deserve more credit
in the remake than in the original. Okay. So Pongo's mission to find Roger, as he says, a mate,
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a partner. And, you know, Pongo and the animator are sitting outside, like staring out the window
while Roger's working and he's like basically perusing dogs with their owners. And it's very funny
because all the owners look like the dogs, the dogs look like the owners. There's only sort of one
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little like part to that, I think in the live action one, which was like the British bulldog
and the guy in his military dress uniform with all his medals on, which was boring Chris,
knowing that the bad guys were doing the bad guy thing because the dogs can talk to each other.
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Pongo, I think in the, in the animated is just because obviously it's an animated, you can put voices on dogs.
His plan is so much more cute and a devious kind of way. How he gets the two of them to interact is far more fun.
I feel like Pongo in the live action is just like, cool, I'm going to slapstick comedy all the way across this park
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by dragging a bicycle and throwing you into the water and then hiding by the lady I want you to meet.
And I feel like just wrapping them up in the, in the, yeah, wrapping them with the lead is cute.
And then they both fall in the water is a little bit more cute. And I think taking that away from the live action movie
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makes it worse, not better, like changing it. I think that that also though is something that might be difficult
for them to get the dog to do maybe. But then again, no, because I've had dogs just like, you wrap me around your legs
and you're like trying to untangle the lead so you can do it. Yeah, what didn't make sense to me is that like
he gets them to have the meet cute and then Perdita also just like afterwards does the same thing to Anita
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and throws her in the water. Why was that necessary? And then, and then literally Roger proposes to her on the same day.
Yeah, that's a little bizarre even for 96. But anyway, what I was referring to was like in the search for the puppies.
Yeah. Because in the animated version, they just like, I mean, they talk to police, whatever, and then they're just like,
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Oh, well, puppies are gone. And then, you know, Roger jokes about it being Cruella and Anita is like, No, it's not her.
And then they just sit there and they're fine. And then Pongo and Perdita run away. And then they're like, Oh, I guess those dogs ran away.
And then they all show up. They're like, Oh, my gosh, they're back. And they brought puppies. Whereas in the remake,
like you see them actively like trying to figure out what happened. And then they tried to chase after Pongo and Perdita
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when they run off. And, you know, you have Anita having the moment where she's like, Oh, my gosh, I think it is Cruella.
Because she wanted this fur cloak and she joked about wearing my dog. And, you know, and they call her.
She gets the police involved in this and gives them that tip. And then they raid Cruella's house and find the dead Siberian tiger skin.
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And like there's a whole back, like a whole side story where the humans are actually following proper channels and doing some deduction
and trying to figure out what happened to the puppies to the point that then like the how they get how the puppies get back to the house
is actually that the police are out searching that area and find them. So the humans are doing a better job at actually caring about their dogs.
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I think for the animated is because I feel like usually in movies, the first person to talk is the main character.
Right. And it's Pongo. It's Pongo. Yeah. Yeah. It's really the story of the Dalmatians.
Yeah. And it's a funny little joke opening as well. And then it's, you know, showing you in the window of Pongo and Roger and be like,
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Oh, there I am with my pet and he's like, Oh, you know, he's he's quite a charming pet.
And it's like he loves to do his music. And you're like, wait, what? Yeah.
He's like, Oh, that's me with the spots, of course. Yeah. So it's very.
The other thing that made so obviously 96 CGI very bad. Certain stages are just like, wow.
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The fact that obviously didn't find, you know, X amount of puppies.
Did they actually? Yeah. That's why I was joking that there's way more way more dogs involved than you think,
because they had like double the amount that they needed. How do they get 200 Dalmatians?
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I barely see Dalmatian per year, let alone 200 of them in one place. The dogs are real.
I think I took that. They had 230 puppies and 20 adults.
Playing the dogs. Well, yeah. It's actually that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's a lot of Dalmatians. There's a lot of Dalmatians in that.
Why do the why do the image look come together, though? I don't think I didn't think the image looked come together.
OK, there's lots of dogs. There is. There's a lot of dogs.
And they're clearly all real dogs and all have different like spots in there.
And I do think that like, obviously, names. Yeah.
I was going to say the ones with names is funny because they're different to the names in the except for Lucky.
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They're different to the ones in the animated version.
But I think that's because like you're not going to have Patch, who has the big patch around his eye,
and Roly, who's the one that's twice as fat as the rest of them. You're not going to have.
Mom, I'm hungry. Yeah, you're not going to have that with the real dogs.
But they had the one that had the black tail and they call them dipstick.
And then I can't remember. There's one that had like one black hair, one white hair. I can't remember what they called it.
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Yeah, I don't remember either. But it was some reference to that.
Yeah. So they obviously had a couple of two tone. Yeah.
And Wes was the one that was paying on. Yeah.
So they had some some names based on, you know, traits of the actual puppies that they got.
But yeah, they did have 230 real Dalmatian puppies.
There's so many puppies. Yeah. I guess maybe it's maybe there were some different stages in life as well.
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Oh, yeah, of course. Because they obviously had the teeny tiny puppies.
At least one teeny tiny puppy. The point I was making is the CGI is terrible.
And I don't think it was even good for that era where they're just like doing, you know,
things that would be actually cruel to animals to do to them. Yeah.
Yeah. Like the most obvious is when the dogs go down the pipe of the roof of the house.
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And it's the most obvious CGI I've ever seen.
Maybe I know I've seen some terrible CGI.
The actual backgrounds in the animated are so gorgeous.
They're so beautiful from the first frame. I think that's the first note I took then was just like, oh, yeah.
I literally wrote, look how beautiful and artistic this is.
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Just that opening shot of like London houses and that's just like watercolor and pencil drawing.
It's absolutely beautiful. And the whole style of it is lovely.
Oh, yeah. Really beautiful film.
What are you owing? Sorry, I was reading the controversy of the live action movie.
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What?
Basically, because of the popularity of the movie, a bunch of children begged their parents for Dalmatians.
And they went and bought them not understanding how hard Dalmatians are to look after.
And a lot of Dalmatians ended up being brought back in shelters.
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That is not just the live action that happened after the release of both films.
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.
I guess it's the same with Clownfish though. Yeah. Yeah. Finding Nemo. Yeah.
Yeah, it happened. There was a huge surge in the amount of Dalmatians adopted after the first
or not necessarily adopted, but after the first, after the original movie was released.
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And then it happened again with the remake.
Not the history you want to repeat. No.
People not realizing how difficult they are to actually care for.
Dogs are a full time commitment.
Yeah, and you really got to know about the particular breed that you're getting as well.
Yeah, that's why designer breeds are so prolific. They're almost brought in prolific these days.
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It's very hard to go into a store and buy.
Like you'd have to go to a special like finding a registered breeder and stuff like that.
And would define a pure bred dog.
You just said they're prolific. No, I'm saying the designer dogs are.
That means they're everywhere. Yeah, the designer dogs are.
The ones that are like crossbred to have like certain traits of other dogs.
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And they're usually just like yappy little lap dogs with like hypoallergenic fur and they don't shed.
I mean, hypoallergenic fur is a bonus. Yes.
As someone who is allergic to dandruff and lived with a half husky half melanin.
A lot of sneezing happening in that household.
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If her fur had been hypoallergenic, it would have been a blessing.
Not that it made me love her any less.
She's a beautiful dog. She is a beautiful dog.
Another breed that is very difficult to care for. You got to know what you're doing.
Because she was adopted how many times before? I think she had 14 failed adoptions.
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That's crazy. And she was essentially this was her last chance.
And she was in the rescue place and would cry all the time because
probably because she's a dog that needs to be out getting a lot of exercise.
So she'd be crying all the time.
And their solution was to just keep feeding her to make her stop crying,
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which meant that she was a 40 kilogram dog under 35.
So she was a barrel of a dog.
My favorite story by far out of all the stories about Lolo is the chocolate story.
Oh, the cookies that I made? Yeah.
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So I baked myself some vegan chocolate chip cookies.
And when they were straight out of the oven, I put them on a plate to let them cool.
And I was like, this dog is big and can get things that are right at the edge of the canter.
So I put it on the kitchen island right in the center of it where I knew she couldn't reach them.
And then and I covered them with tinfoil to be doubly sure.
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And then I was in the other room and I heard a rustling noise and I came out and she had she had her head.
She managed to get her head up onto the canter.
So she was standing on her back legs and had her head sideways on the canter.
So her nose still wasn't reaching the plate.
So what she did was she was just flopping her tongue out and knocked the tinfoil off.
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I was just licking these cookies.
And I panicked. I know that chocolate is toxic to dogs.
And I called an emergency like pet health line.
It wasn't it wasn't an emergency vet, but it was like an after hours health line for pets.
I was like, hey, I don't know enough about dogs, but I know that toxic is bad.
I'm this dog is eating so toxic. Oh, sorry. Yeah. What did I say?
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Toxic is bad. Toxic is bad.
Chocolate is toxic for dogs.
And they were like, OK, OK, how much how much chocolate did she eat?
And I gave like an estimate and they were like, OK, that might not be so bad.
What size is she? And I was like, what weight is she?
And I was like, 35 kilograms.
They're just like, she's going to be fine.
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I think she I don't think she'd eaten enough to kill any dog.
Yeah. But I think she'd eaten enough that if she was like a Chihuahua or something, she could be quite sick.
Yeah. Yeah. They were like, yeah, she's OK.
That's that's not going to be a problem for that dog.
That's like such a tiny percent of that dog's body weight that she's like one square of chocolate.
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I felt so bad that I was like, I've poisoned this dog.
But I also had gone to great measures to not poison.
And also, she'd never nothing else I'd ever left around had got her to like trying it up on the candor.
She just obviously this these cookies smelled really good.
Funny. That's my favorite story.
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Smart and dumb dog.
Yeah. That and the cookie lady.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, did you say that you used to take her to the groomer and you could hear from like two blocks away?
Yes. And also, there was a time we had to take her to the vet because normally the vet did house calls for her so that we wouldn't have to take her to the vet.
Yeah. But she had to get a tooth removed, which they couldn't do at the house.
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So we had to bring her to the vet to get a tooth removed.
And we left her at the vet. We felt so bad.
We went and then we went to pick her up.
We could hear her from the car park from the car without like windows down and doors open.
We were like, oh, no.
And we went in and there's like this howling and they were and they came out like she is sedated.
This is your dog sedated.
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She still is that.
But yeah, the groomers, you could hear.
And it would be funny because you can hear her crying.
She cried when you left her off of the groomers and you could hear her crying like till you drove off down the block.
And then when you come to pick her up, she'd be fine and happy.
But the whole shop would be covered in her hair.
They obviously did like the blow dryer and just like crazy husky hair.
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That's so cute.
Yeah. Anyway, we were just talking about one particular dog rather than actually talking about the movies.
Yeah.
She's a good dog.
We can we can share pictures of her on social media.
That's a good idea.
Yeah.
I think I've said pretty much everything that I like stood out.
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You know what I mean?
So is there anything else you'd like to cover like in for her?
I don't know. I do like I think.
I think one of the differences that I've found between the two movies was the way the Twilight Bark stuff kind of worked.
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In that in the original and the animated version,
it's just that Pongo and Perdita are like, OK, the humans have tried everything that they can do.
Now it's time for us to try something.
And they wait till they're at the park and then start initiating this Twilight Bark, which gets, you know,
it spreads this message about the missing puppies and it gets as far as where they are, which is the place that they are is one hundred and one kilometers away.
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But yes, so they you know, they initiate this and then as a dog, you know, at the other end,
there's a dog and a cat and a horse.
And I can't remember the cat with a horse that says like, oh, actually, I heard some barking up around the old DeVille place.
And they're like, well, no one's lived there for years.
And they go investigate and discover the puppies are there.
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And then they relay the message back in the remake.
It feels implied. Right. But in the remake, the dogs in general are more proactive.
So it's more like a neighborhood watch situation because then because the kind of what they say in the original is that like normally the Twilight Bark is just used for gossip.
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And this is like the first time someone's put out like a bulletin like this on it.
Whereas in in the remake, it feels like a community watch.
It feels like the dogs are all actually a community.
And it starts with that dog you mentioned who see who knows the puppies are being taken and tries to go after her and Jasper, the little bulldog or whatever he was.
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And then we see other dogs along the way who see what's happening and follow along.
And it's it's this Airedale Terrier who just like apropos of nothing, like just is watching out for them.
And here's our Jasper talking about killing the dogs.
And it's like, oh, better save these puppies and then save some of his own accord and bring them to you.
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Or even like when he discovers them first, he goes to like a barn and like there's like an imply that he tells all the animals in the barn.
And then it does get back to Pongo and Perdida.
But it's not necessarily that they, you know, because, you know, it's not necessarily that they like put out an alert and then the dogs go, oh, let me look out for this.
You know, the dogs are looking out for each other the whole way, which I thought was actually quite a nice addition to it.
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And I do like that Airedale Terrier that he gets in and just is like, I'm the hero pup now and rescues all the puppies.
Because it's very much a sort of like an old, old general and the cat and the animated one.
Yeah. And that's quite common in Disney films from around that era, because there's also like the Arista Cats has similar.
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Leading the Tramp has some similar stuff, you know, with these with these dogs based on military ranks.
It's a weird thread through some talk, the animal Disney films that I guess was more prevalent back then than it may be now for kids.
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Though I think it's funny that in the live action version, they are watching the Arista Cats.
Yeah, I turn it off because it's about cats. Yeah.
I think they were homeward bound instead. Is that right? Yeah, I think it's homeward bound.
So some live action dog movie that they put on instead.
Because I think Milo and Otis is like a pug and a cat. Right. I don't remember.
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I watched a lot of those types of movies when I was younger. I don't think I really watched any of them.
I did watch the animated one, so it's very animated.
Yeah, I don't think I watched many of those live action talking animal movies.
It's not like it's like I have an awareness of, but that I wasn't really watching.
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Here's a random question talking about movies I used to watch constantly as a child.
Did you say you had you saw you saw the sequel, the animated sequel and the movie theater? Right.
No, I saw the live action sequel in the movie theater. You saw the live action sequel.
So I saw 102 Dalmatians in cinema. 101 Dalmatians 2, which is the sequel to the animated film,
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was a straight to VHS movie, I think, because my memory of that, I will have seen both,
but my memory of that is that it was about Patch, who was, I believe,
the main character of the 90s 101 Dalmatians animated series on the Disney Channel.
So I think the sequel movie was connected to him.
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They also around the same time did a sequel to Lady and the Tramp about their son Scamp, I think.
Those are those two words put together.
Was that his name, Scamp? He had Scamp's Big Adventures and I had that on VHS.
I remember that more so than the 101 Dalmatians 2.
101 Dalmatians 2, 101 Dalmatians, the animated series, was something that I watched quite a bit as a kid.
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And my memory is that the sequel animated movie was related to that TV series,
rather than being something that was made anywhere near the time of the actual original movie.
102 Dalmatians does still have Glenn Close, I know, she comes back.
Yes, I did see that.
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And that was, and they have a, the 102nd Dalmatian is a Dalmatian with no spots named Oddball.
I remember that.
But I don't know how that makes sense because the end of the live-action 101 Dalmatians,
in the space of like two years, the puppies have had, like, grand puppies, great grand puppies.
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I don't understand how they do that in like two years.
Also just like irresponsible dog ownership that they had, they had a hundred and, you know,
they had 99 Dalmatian puppies and got none of them spayed or neutered and let them all just like breathe.
Yeah, the other issue with that is like you'd have to have a Lisa spreadsheet to make sure that they're not related.
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But you don't know which ones are related, other than your original 15.
They have no idea where any of the others came from, which ones were from the same letters.
Like they have no concept.
So you have to do genetic testing.
Yeah, it's very complicated.
Yeah, the better option is just neuter your 99 puppies.
Spay or neuter your puppies.
And don't let them just like run wild, breeding by themselves on a massive field of a mansion that you just got with your one video game that you made.
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Yeah.
Bad dog ownership.
Bad dog ownership.
This is where the controversy came in.
So kids, if you've got dogs, take care of them and love them.
And make sure that you're looking after them and that you know how to look after your dog.
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Because I remember a story about a little girl whose parents used a very pernion technique of going, cool, you have to learn everything about this thing or you can't have it.
That worked for her older brother.
Her older brother went to the leopard gecko and her parents said, only if you research it.
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And he went, that's too hard.
And then his little sister said, I want gerbils.
I want a gerbil, I think.
Her parents said, only if you research it.
And she said, well, then buy me these books about gerbils.
And then read everything about them and then said, actually, we need more than one because they don't last well on their own.
They do get lonely.
They do need a partner.
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And then I got Sam and Frodo.
And then it turned out Frodo was a girl.
And then we had Pops.
That's a fun story.
Do you want to give us some facts about these movies?
Yeah.
I don't even remember what I've taken in.
I took less down about the original, one of which was actually not really about the movies as much as it was about the book that they're based on.
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Right.
So the birth of the puppies actually happened to the author.
So she did have two Dalmatians who had 15 puppies.
Wow.
And one was born lifeless and her husband did revive it.
Right.
Which is a scene that happens in both movies and I think is very faithful to the original in the remake.
And I wonder if that is in part because they want to be faithful to the actual origin story.
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So in real life, they did sell most of the puppies and only kept a couple of them.
So this is something I thought was interesting is that the filmmakers deliberately cast voice actors for the dogs who had deeper voices than their human owners
to demonstrate where the power was in the relationship.
That the dogs are the ones with the power because they've got the deeper voices.
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Most of the animated ones, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The dogs don't have voices in the remake.
Also, something I didn't take down, but then I thought actually that's kind of interesting just based on something that happened in our life recently,
is that all of the dogs in the original, the animated version, the barks are done by Clarence Nash, who is the voice of Donald Duck,
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who we recently watched on a clip from What's My Line, which is the movie or the show that they parody in the movie with What's My Cry.
So that just felt like a weird tie in to our real lives.
Also, it was the first, I didn't take this down, but I remember it was the first Disney animated feature where the screenplay was written by one person.
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Normally it's written by multiple people.
So the guy's name is Bill Pete, who designed to write the screenplay, but he had never learned how to type and wrote it all out by hand.
Wow.
He just wrote out the screenplay for 101 Dalmatians just entirely by hand, which is crazy to me.
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If my hand hurts writing one page, never mind.
If theoretically a script is supposed to be one page per minute and it's 79 minutes long, the 79 page handwritten script seems like a lot.
For the remake, what have I taken down?
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So Glenn Close, despite the cruelest passion for fur coats, Glenn Close insisted that all of our costumes be made from fake fur, that there be no actual fur used in the movie.
That's good.
I already mentioned that there were 230 Dalmatian puppies and 20 adult Dalmatians during filming.
Jeff Daniels, to get the puppies to lick him on cue, they rubbed his face with raw hot dogs.
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Which is just the funniest image.
He also has said in interviews that on more than one occasion while filming, he would hear an authoritative voice on the set just shout, sit, and he would immediately sit down and they'd have to go, not you, Jeff.
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Because they're obviously talking to all the dogs.
Also, Glenn Close, when she was on set in her full Cruella wig, makeup, and costume, one of the adult dogs they had playing Perdita would always try and hide and run away because she was so scared of what she looked like in the costume.
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Very since.
John Hughes, who I've just mentioned previously, wrote Home Alone.
Yep.
He also wrote The Breakfast Club, 16 Candles, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, a lot of iconic movies.
This movie is the movie that he made most money from out of every movie in his career because his contract on the movie gave him a portion of the merchandising profits.
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Oh wow.
merch. So he's made more movie out of $101 than he has out of any other movie he's ever made.
Also, you see this watching the movie, but I thought it was an interesting thing to point out, is that the remake explains a plot hole from the original 101 donations, which is why is it that Cruella wants puppies and isn't just taking the adult dogs?
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And it's that they mention it in the remake that the older the dog gets, the more coarse their fur becomes. And that's not as desirable or valuable in the fur industry because they want a soft fur.
The production designer Ashton Gordon created all the sets for the movie. And because of most of the, you know, the stars of the movie are puppies, they had to make like unique considerations for that.
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So like staircases had to be adapted to be, you know, accessible by the puppies. The sets had to be designed to be shot from a very low level because a lot of it is shot from puppy height.
And they had to, so they essentially had to do kind of what they did in Lord of the Rings, where they had to have like puppy scale sets and human scale sets.
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This I just thought was interesting because we've talked about Jasper and Horace in the remake being played by Dr. Gregory House and Arthur Weasley.
Two other actors who were considered to play those roles were Rupert Everett and Alfred Molina, which would have meant that instead of House and Arthur Weasley, we would have had Prince Charming and Doc Ock as the stars in Jasper.
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It would have been interesting to see what they did with the role. I can't imagine Alfred Molina doing the dumb slapstick acting that those two were doing.
Yeah, we already talked about the rate of dog adoption, because I did take a note of that as well.
And then this one is just more for myself, which is that I complained while we were watching it that in the remake, there are raccoons that take over the car.
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And I said there's no raccoons in the UK. So someone has gone into the goof section of IMDB and put it in under incorrectly regarded as goofs,
that raccoons and skunks are not native. What they said is raccoons and skunks are not native to Britain. However, there are some feral populations there descending from animals imported for fur, which is consistent with the movie's theme.
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Now, I don't know if that's what they were going for when they made it, but if it is, then, you know, fair enough that the animals who were anachronistic to me being in a place that they're not normally found,
you know, the animals who were rebelling against us are the very same animals who escaped being part of the fur industry.
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It does actually make a lot of sense. It does. Yeah, I forgot to look up budget box office for these. I feel like it's not that important.
You know, 101 did the live action one did really well. I saw it before. It was like quite a small, but like 1630. I should probably just look it up. I was going to start quoting this demand in a month.
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I'll look up the original one. 6030 million. Where is it? I had it. I literally just had it. So the budget was 67 million. Right.
And at the box office, it made 320.7 million. So it was the six highest, highest grossing film of 96. The top one being Independence Day. Oh, yeah. Followed by Twister, Mission Impossible, The Rock and the Hodgeback of Notre Dame.
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Oh, I do love Hodgeback. The original, the 1961 one had a budget of four million and made 215 million. Wow. Yeah. But he's got a lot of re-releases. Yeah, including I think it was re-released in 1991.
And at that point, like surpassed a bunch of other movies. So it did. Yeah, it was in cinemas quite a few times. But also it saved the studio from what I understand, because they were not doing so well after whatever had previously.
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I can't remember. I don't remember. I should know that. Whatever their previous movie was, did not. Oh, Sleeping Beauty. So Sleeping Beauty was a flop originally, which is interesting because people consider it like one of the classics.
So Sleeping Beauty was a flop and they talked about closing down the animation division of Disney and only doing live action stuff because they did have, you know, they did have, do some weird live action stuff like Kurt Russell got his start in Disney live action movies.
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Yeah. So can you, so like in 1960, they were like, we're going to close down animation and just focus on our live action films and these theme parks that we're now doing. And there'll be no more Disney animation.
That would be a crazy alternate universe. Yeah, alternate universe where 101 animations either wasn't made or wasn't as successful as it was.
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It was, it was genuinely their last shot. They were like, we'll do this one movie and if it goes well, then we'll keep doing animation. And if it doesn't, then that's it.
It kind of reminds me of, I think we mentioned this on the Shrek episode, that when you made a mistake on Prince of Egypt, you had to go work on Shrek. Yeah, yeah.
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And it was literally referred to as getting Shrek. Yeah, you gotta go get Shrek. And then it's funny because no one remembers Prince of Egypt.
Prince of Egypt is a stunning film. Yes, it is gorgeous. It looks fantastic. But it definitely didn't become like a franchise like Shrek did. It's not in the same place to the same extent.
It did not go into pop culture like Shrek has. Prince of Egypt is a fantastic film. Kids, if you're watching, get your parents to show you Prince of Egypt.
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And if you're listening. It's a very beautiful film and it's got lovely music and it's very cool.
And it does teach you about the Bible. So depending on your belief system, you might not want to watch that. But it is very good. It's a very well made movie.
And for the adults in the room, if you go down to our show notes, you can find a link to our Discord, our website. It takes two dot co dot nz. We can join our mailing list.
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Just like if you convert the episodes and URL into a QR code and then mail it to a stranger, that would be really fun.
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This person likes listening to Kiwi accents. Yeah. I just yeah. Share. Share with one person or more.
But yeah, I think that's that would be my call to action is just share. Tell your mom about us. Yeah.
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I mean, my mom loves us. Yeah, she does. She does. And she also likes the podcast.
She also tolerates the podcast. She likes listening to the podcast while she's driving actually nowadays,
except for one episode that she thought didn't sound really good in her car.
But I think we did have tech issues on that episode. Sounds accurate.
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Because she used to tell me she listened to us while she was going to sleep and we put her to sleep, which doesn't feel as good.
But also, I understand it. She said that our soft speaking and then jumping straight into laughter used to jolt her awake.
Yeah, that's not that's not the way you want it. If you want us to go to sleep, my go to is the empty bowl, which is a bad breakfast cereal.
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Mine is the continuous mechanical sound of a fan. Oh, I thought you were going to say horror podcast 109 or whatever it's called.
Random number generator horror podcast number nine. Yeah. You don't listen to that to go to sleep.
No, I have not listened to that in a while, but I should. Yeah, I should. It's kind of you.
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You're in for a long journey with that one. Right. Right. I don't think I've ever listened to an entire episode of the empty bowl.
I think they just put me to sleep straight away. But I think that's part like I think they're happy with them because they play like soothing sounds over it and stuff.
Anyway, thank you for joining us on this little adventure. More awaits in the near future.
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Yeah, we've got we're doing a couple of Disney remake episodes. So yeah, get ready for some more Disney episodes.
Thank you. Goodbye. Bye bye.
Hi everyone, I'm Lisa. And I'm Nick. And you're listening to It Takes Two, the podcast where
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two people take two movies with the same plot or premise and watch and discuss them. Continuing
our ongoing remake series, we are comparing the animated 1961 101 Dalmatians and the live
action 1996 101 Dalmatians. Yep. Spoiler alert, there's a lot of Dalmatians. There are in fact
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more Dalmatians than you would think. Even based on the titles of these movies. There are many
Dalmatians. Yeah, so we're back to Disney live action remakes with the OG Disney live action
remake that people forget because people say that I think Cinderella was the first. But that was
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like 20 years after this one. So yeah, the original Disney live action remake 101 Dalmatians. Fair enough.
Where do you want to start? Because I was going to say that the live action movie took away a
lot of the charm. And I didn't there are there are some standout performances. Glenn Close's
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performance is iconic, deranged, beautiful, scary, all the objectives. No, no, sorry. You could get
for a villain. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of that was her being like, why isn't she scary? And from the
script, I'm gonna make her scarier. Yeah, Glenn Close committed everything to this film and did
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an incredible job. And the disappointing part is she acts circles around everybody else. And it's
funny to me because because of I think the the popularity of the TV show House. I was gonna say
huge Laurie. Hugh Laurie is I forgot he was like started off in comedy. I remember. Yeah, like
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Blackadder. Yeah, yeah. House is comedy, though, kind of to an extent as well. Right. It's a
dramedy. It's a sub real sub reality drama. Yeah. Yeah, I just I forgot he was in comedies. And
then watching him in this movie. And his over the top. And it's the same with the guy who played I
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can't remember the actor's name. The guy who played Mark Williams. Yeah, Mark Williams. Arthur Weasley. Yeah.
Like Horace. Yeah, it's. He really annoyed me in this film. Yeah, honestly, both of them irritated
me. I mean, Hugh Laurie has like some amount of charm. Yeah. That he drags himself out of the
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mud on in this film. But Mark Williams was like I was like, was he always this terrible? It was the
scene for me when they both fall on the electric fence. Oh, yeah. And they're just making silly
faces. Yeah. And it's like that would have been really fun to film. But on film it looks awful.
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I had a weird thought in the middle of watching the kind of hijinks with Horace and Jasper where
I was like, oh, this is like Home Alone but for kids. And then I remembered Home Alone is for kids.
So this is just like it's like if someone was making Home Alone and forgot that kids can be
intelligent. Yeah. But then again, I enjoyed these movies as a kid. And it's weird because I hadn't
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seen them. I don't think I've seen either of these movies since childhood. They're both movies that
I watched quite a bit in childhood. And we talked about I saw 102 Dalmatians in cinema. But I think
I had like mushed them into one film in my head. Like, for example, I was surprised that Cruella
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in the animated film isn't Anita's boss and doesn't have a fashion industry. I was like,
wait, I thought that was her whole shtick, but that's just in the remake. Yeah. That was a
vent for that. But also, yeah, I definitely had I did think that's something that we'd probably
talk about a lot today is that the live action remake is more cartoonish than the animated film.
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Which feels like a weird statement to make. There are certain aspects of the live action one
that I think are genuinely like more interesting and sort of the world they're building,
because they're both set in London, despite time periods and the fact that they can just
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apparently move whenever they want, even though they're like allegedly both broke, kind of.
Yeah, I don't know. That happens in both movies that they're like, we're broke. We've got no money.
It's like, but you can afford a full time housekeeper. Yeah. And also, when you have 15 poppies,
you're like, oh, it's fine. We'll keep them. We'll raise these 15 puppies. And then when,
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you know, when 84 more puppies show up, you're like, that's no problem. We'll just buy a bigger
house and live there with all our puppies. It's like, where are you getting this money?
I do like the fact that I cannot remember the actual character's name anymore. Roger. Thank you.
Their creativeness is still portrayed both ways. Jeff Bridges is a video game designer. Jeff Bridges, sorry.
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He's not even in the movie. Jeff Daniels? Jeff Daniels is a video game designer. And the original Roger, the animated Roger,
is basically making jingles or music. Yeah. He's like a jazz composer. Yeah. And I love how they both
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take Cruella in and put them into their media. And that's what makes them famous. Yeah. Yeah.
They get successful off her name. Yeah. But I think the biggest takeaway, because obviously
doesn't work in live action. And the weird CGI that we're doing to the dogs faces to have
give them like cartoonish expressions was a little bit uncomfortable because it's a sort of that
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uncanny valley of like kind of borderline the live action Scooby-Doo movies. I do think they made the
right decision in not having the dogs talk. Correct. Cause Look Who's Talking Now is a very bizarre movie.
And there are a lot of talking animal movies and they do them in different ways. Like some of them
have like just real animals where they put peanut butter in their mouth or something and others,
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you know, CG on them as long way home. I think that's the movie. I don't know.
Babe, babe. Yeah. And baby, they just, they just like let them use their normal faces and
put a voiceover over it. Like make you just Hugo weaving, talking over a cheat dog. I do feel that
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the, because the animals talk and they're sort of the actual main characters in the animated movie,
I feel this appeals more towards like involving children rather than just
klutzy humans doing klutzy human things. And then the stories about the dogs. Yeah. It's weird. I
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mean, I, cause it's, it's, it's like, they're trying to make two different movies at the same time.
I mean, it's written by Chris Columbus who wrote Home Alone. And to some extent, I feel like for
part of that movie, he was just like trying to cash in on being the writer of Home Alone again.
Yeah. A little bit. You have the dogs, Kevin McAllistering, Horace and Jasper through the
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DeVille Mansion. And it's a weird, it's just weird. It's just strange. And it's, it's not funny in the
way that Home Alone is. And it's not inventive in the way that Home Alone is. The dog's not actually
setting this stuff up. The dog's just barking at them and then they, they stumble into stuff.
You know, whereas obviously Home Alone works because it's this little kid being like,
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well, I'm the man of the house and I have to defend it. And you're like, oh my God.
Whereas in this, you know, it's just these, it's just a puppy being annoying and these guys being
so idiotic that they're just doing this to themselves.
It does get that way. I think the, the two, the two henchmen characters in the animated one are a
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little bit more menacing. They still have that sort of slapstick back and forward, you know,
what you expect. But I feel that they're more menacing in the live, in the animated versus
live action. Because again, like I said, they're just pulling silly faces and falling through walls
and stuff. Yeah. Like, because Mr. Skinner is not in the... No, in the animated one, it's, they're
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going to do the job. So these, this is a child friendly episode and these movies are suitable
for children, but we are going to talk about a scary bit because they do plan to kill the dogs.
Yeah. And it is more menacing in the animated one because you don't, I mean, from everything
we've seen of Horace and Jethro in the live action, they're bumbling messes. They haven't noticed
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all these dogs disappearing. You know, they like, they don't know anything that's going on.
And we don't believe that they have the capacity to do this. In the animated version, it feels like,
oh, these guys are really going to do that. Yeah. These are, these are like, because they're just
like two random useless goons in the live action. But in the animated one, you know, they have a
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criminal record and they have, and they're watching, which was really weird, a parody version of
What's My Line called What's My Crime. And they know the guy who's on there has been arrested for
a violent crime. So, you know, so there's this whole kind of aura around them where you're like,
oh, these guys are career criminals and they might not be the smartest career criminals,
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but that actually makes it more frightening in some ways because they're just, they don't actually
care. They're just going to do what they're told and kill these puppies. And you believe that
they're actually going to do it. So it makes them like, and there's, you know, and also that there's
that kind of timeframe where like, you know, you know that they're going to do it as soon as they
finish watching this show, because they set that up that Corilla says, do it now. And they're like,
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okay, well, you know, we can just finish watching their show and then we'll kill them.
Whereas in the live action remake, she's not even telling them to do it. She's sending someone to
do it. And then they're like, ah, let's just do it. And it just happens to be after the dogs are gone.
Yeah, because they're waiting for Mr. Skinner, who's the character from the live action, who
apparently had also recently broken into a zoo and stolen, poached a Siberian tiger.
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And skinned alive at the zoo, I think is what's implied. Yeah. That they found the dead tiger at
the zoo, which is very sad. Poaching is bad. I think Cruella is menacing in both. Yes. She,
I just feel Glenn Close's portrayal is just so much better.
Than anything else in the movie.
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Pretty much. Yeah. I feel like if they'd picked a different actor to play Cruella,
or she hadn't literally acted her heart out and just really brought a lot to the screen,
I think the movie would be one less in basically the mind of every child who's ever seen this movie,
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but also just worse and much more forgettable to the point where we probably wouldn't be doing
this episode based on it. Yeah. Because it would just be like, oh, terrible cash cash in remake
aimed at children, nothing spectacular. Yeah. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,
it's, it's, yeah, exactly. You're hitting all the points there. I'm literally struggling to add to
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any of that. It's just perfectly done. I do think the humans, the human owners deserve more credit
in the remake than in the original. Okay. So Pongo's mission to find Roger, as he says, a mate,
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a partner. And, you know, Pongo and the animator are sitting outside, like staring out the window
while Roger's working and he's like basically perusing dogs with their owners. And it's very funny
because all the owners look like the dogs, the dogs look like the owners. There's only sort of one
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little like part to that, I think in the live action one, which was like the British bulldog
and the guy in his military dress uniform with all his medals on, which was boring Chris,
knowing that the bad guys were doing the bad guy thing because the dogs can talk to each other.
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Pongo, I think in the, in the animated is just because obviously it's an animated, you can put voices on dogs.
His plan is so much more cute and a devious kind of way. How he gets the two of them to interact is far more fun.
I feel like Pongo in the live action is just like, cool, I'm going to slapstick comedy all the way across this park
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by dragging a bicycle and throwing you into the water and then hiding by the lady I want you to meet.
And I feel like just wrapping them up in the, in the, yeah, wrapping them with the lead is cute.
And then they both fall in the water is a little bit more cute. And I think taking that away from the live action movie
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makes it worse, not better, like changing it. I think that that also though is something that might be difficult
for them to get the dog to do maybe. But then again, no, because I've had dogs just like, you wrap me around your legs
and you're like trying to untangle the lead so you can do it. Yeah, what didn't make sense to me is that like
he gets them to have the meet cute and then Perdita also just like afterwards does the same thing to Anita
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and throws her in the water. Why was that necessary? And then, and then literally Roger proposes to her on the same day.
Yeah, that's a little bizarre even for 96. But anyway, what I was referring to was like in the search for the puppies.
Yeah. Because in the animated version, they just like, I mean, they talk to police, whatever, and then they're just like,
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Oh, well, puppies are gone. And then, you know, Roger jokes about it being Cruella and Anita is like, No, it's not her.
And then they just sit there and they're fine. And then Pongo and Perdita run away. And then they're like, Oh, I guess those dogs ran away.
And then they all show up. They're like, Oh, my gosh, they're back. And they brought puppies. Whereas in the remake,
like you see them actively like trying to figure out what happened. And then they tried to chase after Pongo and Perdita
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when they run off. And, you know, you have Anita having the moment where she's like, Oh, my gosh, I think it is Cruella.
Because she wanted this fur cloak and she joked about wearing my dog. And, you know, and they call her.
She gets the police involved in this and gives them that tip. And then they raid Cruella's house and find the dead Siberian tiger skin.
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And like there's a whole back, like a whole side story where the humans are actually following proper channels and doing some deduction
and trying to figure out what happened to the puppies to the point that then like the how they get how the puppies get back to the house
is actually that the police are out searching that area and find them. So the humans are doing a better job at actually caring about their dogs.
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I think for the animated is because I feel like usually in movies, the first person to talk is the main character.
Right. And it's Pongo. It's Pongo. Yeah. Yeah. It's really the story of the Dalmatians.
Yeah. And it's a funny little joke opening as well. And then it's, you know, showing you in the window of Pongo and Roger and be like,
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Oh, there I am with my pet and he's like, Oh, you know, he's he's quite a charming pet.
And it's like he loves to do his music. And you're like, wait, what? Yeah.
He's like, Oh, that's me with the spots, of course. Yeah. So it's very.
The other thing that made so obviously 96 CGI very bad. Certain stages are just like, wow.
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The fact that obviously didn't find, you know, X amount of puppies.
Did they actually? Yeah. That's why I was joking that there's way more way more dogs involved than you think,
because they had like double the amount that they needed. How do they get 200 Dalmatians?
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I barely see Dalmatian per year, let alone 200 of them in one place. The dogs are real.
I think I took that. They had 230 puppies and 20 adults.
Playing the dogs. Well, yeah. It's actually that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There's a lot of Dalmatians. There's a lot of Dalmatians in that.
Why do the why do the image look come together, though? I don't think I didn't think the image looked come together.
OK, there's lots of dogs. There is. There's a lot of dogs.
And they're clearly all real dogs and all have different like spots in there.
And I do think that like, obviously, names. Yeah.
I was going to say the ones with names is funny because they're different to the names in the except for Lucky.
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They're different to the ones in the animated version.
But I think that's because like you're not going to have Patch, who has the big patch around his eye,
and Roly, who's the one that's twice as fat as the rest of them. You're not going to have.
Mom, I'm hungry. Yeah, you're not going to have that with the real dogs.
But they had the one that had the black tail and they call them dipstick.
And then I can't remember. There's one that had like one black hair, one white hair. I can't remember what they called it.
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Yeah, I don't remember either. But it was some reference to that.
Yeah. So they obviously had a couple of two tone. Yeah.
And Wes was the one that was paying on. Yeah.
So they had some some names based on, you know, traits of the actual puppies that they got.
But yeah, they did have 230 real Dalmatian puppies.
There's so many puppies. Yeah. I guess maybe it's maybe there were some different stages in life as well.
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Oh, yeah, of course. Because they obviously had the teeny tiny puppies.
At least one teeny tiny puppy. The point I was making is the CGI is terrible.
And I don't think it was even good for that era where they're just like doing, you know,
things that would be actually cruel to animals to do to them. Yeah.
Yeah. Like the most obvious is when the dogs go down the pipe of the roof of the house.
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And it's the most obvious CGI I've ever seen.
Maybe I know I've seen some terrible CGI.
The actual backgrounds in the animated are so gorgeous.
They're so beautiful from the first frame. I think that's the first note I took then was just like, oh, yeah.
I literally wrote, look how beautiful and artistic this is.
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Just that opening shot of like London houses and that's just like watercolor and pencil drawing.
It's absolutely beautiful. And the whole style of it is lovely.
Oh, yeah. Really beautiful film.
What are you owing? Sorry, I was reading the controversy of the live action movie.
(20:55):
What?
Basically, because of the popularity of the movie, a bunch of children begged their parents for Dalmatians.
And they went and bought them not understanding how hard Dalmatians are to look after.
And a lot of Dalmatians ended up being brought back in shelters.
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That is not just the live action that happened after the release of both films.
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.
I guess it's the same with Clownfish though. Yeah. Yeah. Finding Nemo. Yeah.
Yeah, it happened. There was a huge surge in the amount of Dalmatians adopted after the first
or not necessarily adopted, but after the first, after the original movie was released.
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And then it happened again with the remake.
Not the history you want to repeat. No.
People not realizing how difficult they are to actually care for.
Dogs are a full time commitment.
Yeah, and you really got to know about the particular breed that you're getting as well.
Yeah, that's why designer breeds are so prolific. They're almost brought in prolific these days.
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It's very hard to go into a store and buy.
Like you'd have to go to a special like finding a registered breeder and stuff like that.
And would define a pure bred dog.
You just said they're prolific. No, I'm saying the designer dogs are.
That means they're everywhere. Yeah, the designer dogs are.
The ones that are like crossbred to have like certain traits of other dogs.
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And they're usually just like yappy little lap dogs with like hypoallergenic fur and they don't shed.
I mean, hypoallergenic fur is a bonus. Yes.
As someone who is allergic to dandruff and lived with a half husky half melanin.
A lot of sneezing happening in that household.
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If her fur had been hypoallergenic, it would have been a blessing.
Not that it made me love her any less.
She's a beautiful dog. She is a beautiful dog.
Another breed that is very difficult to care for. You got to know what you're doing.
Because she was adopted how many times before? I think she had 14 failed adoptions.
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That's crazy. And she was essentially this was her last chance.
And she was in the rescue place and would cry all the time because
probably because she's a dog that needs to be out getting a lot of exercise.
So she'd be crying all the time.
And their solution was to just keep feeding her to make her stop crying,
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which meant that she was a 40 kilogram dog under 35.
So she was a barrel of a dog.
My favorite story by far out of all the stories about Lolo is the chocolate story.
Oh, the cookies that I made? Yeah.
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So I baked myself some vegan chocolate chip cookies.
And when they were straight out of the oven, I put them on a plate to let them cool.
And I was like, this dog is big and can get things that are right at the edge of the canter.
So I put it on the kitchen island right in the center of it where I knew she couldn't reach them.
And then and I covered them with tinfoil to be doubly sure.
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And then I was in the other room and I heard a rustling noise and I came out and she had she had her head.
She managed to get her head up onto the canter.
So she was standing on her back legs and had her head sideways on the canter.
So her nose still wasn't reaching the plate.
So what she did was she was just flopping her tongue out and knocked the tinfoil off.
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I was just licking these cookies.
And I panicked. I know that chocolate is toxic to dogs.
And I called an emergency like pet health line.
It wasn't it wasn't an emergency vet, but it was like an after hours health line for pets.
I was like, hey, I don't know enough about dogs, but I know that toxic is bad.
I'm this dog is eating so toxic. Oh, sorry. Yeah. What did I say?
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Toxic is bad. Toxic is bad.
Chocolate is toxic for dogs.
And they were like, OK, OK, how much how much chocolate did she eat?
And I gave like an estimate and they were like, OK, that might not be so bad.
What size is she? And I was like, what weight is she?
And I was like, 35 kilograms.
They're just like, she's going to be fine.
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I think she I don't think she'd eaten enough to kill any dog.
Yeah. But I think she'd eaten enough that if she was like a Chihuahua or something, she could be quite sick.
Yeah. Yeah. They were like, yeah, she's OK.
That's that's not going to be a problem for that dog.
That's like such a tiny percent of that dog's body weight that she's like one square of chocolate.
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I felt so bad that I was like, I've poisoned this dog.
But I also had gone to great measures to not poison.
And also, she'd never nothing else I'd ever left around had got her to like trying it up on the candor.
She just obviously this these cookies smelled really good.
Funny. That's my favorite story.
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Smart and dumb dog.
Yeah. That and the cookie lady.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, did you say that you used to take her to the groomer and you could hear from like two blocks away?
Yes. And also, there was a time we had to take her to the vet because normally the vet did house calls for her so that we wouldn't have to take her to the vet.
Yeah. But she had to get a tooth removed, which they couldn't do at the house.
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So we had to bring her to the vet to get a tooth removed.
And we left her at the vet. We felt so bad.
We went and then we went to pick her up.
We could hear her from the car park from the car without like windows down and doors open.
We were like, oh, no.
And we went in and there's like this howling and they were and they came out like she is sedated.
This is your dog sedated.
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She still is that.
But yeah, the groomers, you could hear.
And it would be funny because you can hear her crying.
She cried when you left her off of the groomers and you could hear her crying like till you drove off down the block.
And then when you come to pick her up, she'd be fine and happy.
But the whole shop would be covered in her hair.
They obviously did like the blow dryer and just like crazy husky hair.
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That's so cute.
Yeah. Anyway, we were just talking about one particular dog rather than actually talking about the movies.
Yeah.
She's a good dog.
We can we can share pictures of her on social media.
That's a good idea.
Yeah.
I think I've said pretty much everything that I like stood out.
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You know what I mean?
So is there anything else you'd like to cover like in for her?
I don't know. I do like I think.
I think one of the differences that I've found between the two movies was the way the Twilight Bark stuff kind of worked.
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In that in the original and the animated version,
it's just that Pongo and Perdita are like, OK, the humans have tried everything that they can do.
Now it's time for us to try something.
And they wait till they're at the park and then start initiating this Twilight Bark, which gets, you know,
it spreads this message about the missing puppies and it gets as far as where they are, which is the place that they are is one hundred and one kilometers away.
(28:34):
But yes, so they you know, they initiate this and then as a dog, you know, at the other end,
there's a dog and a cat and a horse.
And I can't remember the cat with a horse that says like, oh, actually, I heard some barking up around the old DeVille place.
And they're like, well, no one's lived there for years.
And they go investigate and discover the puppies are there.
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And then they relay the message back in the remake.
It feels implied. Right. But in the remake, the dogs in general are more proactive.
So it's more like a neighborhood watch situation because then because the kind of what they say in the original is that like normally the Twilight Bark is just used for gossip.
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And this is like the first time someone's put out like a bulletin like this on it.
Whereas in in the remake, it feels like a community watch.
It feels like the dogs are all actually a community.
And it starts with that dog you mentioned who see who knows the puppies are being taken and tries to go after her and Jasper, the little bulldog or whatever he was.
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And then we see other dogs along the way who see what's happening and follow along.
And it's it's this Airedale Terrier who just like apropos of nothing, like just is watching out for them.
And here's our Jasper talking about killing the dogs.
And it's like, oh, better save these puppies and then save some of his own accord and bring them to you.
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Or even like when he discovers them first, he goes to like a barn and like there's like an imply that he tells all the animals in the barn.
And then it does get back to Pongo and Perdida.
But it's not necessarily that they, you know, because, you know, it's not necessarily that they like put out an alert and then the dogs go, oh, let me look out for this.
You know, the dogs are looking out for each other the whole way, which I thought was actually quite a nice addition to it.
(30:29):
And I do like that Airedale Terrier that he gets in and just is like, I'm the hero pup now and rescues all the puppies.
Because it's very much a sort of like an old, old general and the cat and the animated one.
Yeah. And that's quite common in Disney films from around that era, because there's also like the Arista Cats has similar.
(30:54):
Leading the Tramp has some similar stuff, you know, with these with these dogs based on military ranks.
It's a weird thread through some talk, the animal Disney films that I guess was more prevalent back then than it may be now for kids.
(31:15):
Though I think it's funny that in the live action version, they are watching the Arista Cats.
Yeah, I turn it off because it's about cats. Yeah.
I think they were homeward bound instead. Is that right? Yeah, I think it's homeward bound.
So some live action dog movie that they put on instead.
Because I think Milo and Otis is like a pug and a cat. Right. I don't remember.
(31:41):
I watched a lot of those types of movies when I was younger. I don't think I really watched any of them.
I did watch the animated one, so it's very animated.
Yeah, I don't think I watched many of those live action talking animal movies.
It's not like it's like I have an awareness of, but that I wasn't really watching.
(32:02):
Here's a random question talking about movies I used to watch constantly as a child.
Did you say you had you saw you saw the sequel, the animated sequel and the movie theater? Right.
No, I saw the live action sequel in the movie theater. You saw the live action sequel.
So I saw 102 Dalmatians in cinema. 101 Dalmatians 2, which is the sequel to the animated film,
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was a straight to VHS movie, I think, because my memory of that, I will have seen both,
but my memory of that is that it was about Patch, who was, I believe,
the main character of the 90s 101 Dalmatians animated series on the Disney Channel.
So I think the sequel movie was connected to him.
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They also around the same time did a sequel to Lady and the Tramp about their son Scamp, I think.
Those are those two words put together.
Was that his name, Scamp? He had Scamp's Big Adventures and I had that on VHS.
I remember that more so than the 101 Dalmatians 2.
101 Dalmatians 2, 101 Dalmatians, the animated series, was something that I watched quite a bit as a kid.
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And my memory is that the sequel animated movie was related to that TV series,
rather than being something that was made anywhere near the time of the actual original movie.
102 Dalmatians does still have Glenn Close, I know, she comes back.
Yes, I did see that.
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And that was, and they have a, the 102nd Dalmatian is a Dalmatian with no spots named Oddball.
I remember that.
But I don't know how that makes sense because the end of the live-action 101 Dalmatians,
in the space of like two years, the puppies have had, like, grand puppies, great grand puppies.
(34:02):
I don't understand how they do that in like two years.
Also just like irresponsible dog ownership that they had, they had a hundred and, you know,
they had 99 Dalmatian puppies and got none of them spayed or neutered and let them all just like breathe.
Yeah, the other issue with that is like you'd have to have a Lisa spreadsheet to make sure that they're not related.
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But you don't know which ones are related, other than your original 15.
They have no idea where any of the others came from, which ones were from the same letters.
Like they have no concept.
So you have to do genetic testing.
Yeah, it's very complicated.
Yeah, the better option is just neuter your 99 puppies.
Spay or neuter your puppies.
And don't let them just like run wild, breeding by themselves on a massive field of a mansion that you just got with your one video game that you made.
(34:54):
Yeah.
Bad dog ownership.
Bad dog ownership.
This is where the controversy came in.
So kids, if you've got dogs, take care of them and love them.
And make sure that you're looking after them and that you know how to look after your dog.
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Because I remember a story about a little girl whose parents used a very pernion technique of going, cool, you have to learn everything about this thing or you can't have it.
That worked for her older brother.
Her older brother went to the leopard gecko and her parents said, only if you research it.
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And he went, that's too hard.
And then his little sister said, I want gerbils.
I want a gerbil, I think.
Her parents said, only if you research it.
And she said, well, then buy me these books about gerbils.
And then read everything about them and then said, actually, we need more than one because they don't last well on their own.
They do get lonely.
They do need a partner.
(36:00):
And then I got Sam and Frodo.
And then it turned out Frodo was a girl.
And then we had Pops.
That's a fun story.
Do you want to give us some facts about these movies?
Yeah.
I don't even remember what I've taken in.
I took less down about the original, one of which was actually not really about the movies as much as it was about the book that they're based on.
(36:30):
Right.
So the birth of the puppies actually happened to the author.
So she did have two Dalmatians who had 15 puppies.
Wow.
And one was born lifeless and her husband did revive it.
Right.
Which is a scene that happens in both movies and I think is very faithful to the original in the remake.
And I wonder if that is in part because they want to be faithful to the actual origin story.
(36:58):
So in real life, they did sell most of the puppies and only kept a couple of them.
So this is something I thought was interesting is that the filmmakers deliberately cast voice actors for the dogs who had deeper voices than their human owners
to demonstrate where the power was in the relationship.
That the dogs are the ones with the power because they've got the deeper voices.
(37:21):
Most of the animated ones, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The dogs don't have voices in the remake.
Also, something I didn't take down, but then I thought actually that's kind of interesting just based on something that happened in our life recently,
is that all of the dogs in the original, the animated version, the barks are done by Clarence Nash, who is the voice of Donald Duck,
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who we recently watched on a clip from What's My Line, which is the movie or the show that they parody in the movie with What's My Cry.
So that just felt like a weird tie in to our real lives.
Also, it was the first, I didn't take this down, but I remember it was the first Disney animated feature where the screenplay was written by one person.
(38:18):
Normally it's written by multiple people.
So the guy's name is Bill Pete, who designed to write the screenplay, but he had never learned how to type and wrote it all out by hand.
Wow.
He just wrote out the screenplay for 101 Dalmatians just entirely by hand, which is crazy to me.
(38:39):
If my hand hurts writing one page, never mind.
If theoretically a script is supposed to be one page per minute and it's 79 minutes long, the 79 page handwritten script seems like a lot.
For the remake, what have I taken down?
(39:00):
So Glenn Close, despite the cruelest passion for fur coats, Glenn Close insisted that all of our costumes be made from fake fur, that there be no actual fur used in the movie.
That's good.
I already mentioned that there were 230 Dalmatian puppies and 20 adult Dalmatians during filming.
Jeff Daniels, to get the puppies to lick him on cue, they rubbed his face with raw hot dogs.
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Which is just the funniest image.
He also has said in interviews that on more than one occasion while filming, he would hear an authoritative voice on the set just shout, sit, and he would immediately sit down and they'd have to go, not you, Jeff.
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Because they're obviously talking to all the dogs.
Also, Glenn Close, when she was on set in her full Cruella wig, makeup, and costume, one of the adult dogs they had playing Perdita would always try and hide and run away because she was so scared of what she looked like in the costume.
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Very since.
John Hughes, who I've just mentioned previously, wrote Home Alone.
Yep.
He also wrote The Breakfast Club, 16 Candles, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, a lot of iconic movies.
This movie is the movie that he made most money from out of every movie in his career because his contract on the movie gave him a portion of the merchandising profits.
(40:36):
Oh wow.
merch. So he's made more movie out of $101 than he has out of any other movie he's ever made.
Also, you see this watching the movie, but I thought it was an interesting thing to point out, is that the remake explains a plot hole from the original 101 donations, which is why is it that Cruella wants puppies and isn't just taking the adult dogs?
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And it's that they mention it in the remake that the older the dog gets, the more coarse their fur becomes. And that's not as desirable or valuable in the fur industry because they want a soft fur.
The production designer Ashton Gordon created all the sets for the movie. And because of most of the, you know, the stars of the movie are puppies, they had to make like unique considerations for that.
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So like staircases had to be adapted to be, you know, accessible by the puppies. The sets had to be designed to be shot from a very low level because a lot of it is shot from puppy height.
And they had to, so they essentially had to do kind of what they did in Lord of the Rings, where they had to have like puppy scale sets and human scale sets.
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This I just thought was interesting because we've talked about Jasper and Horace in the remake being played by Dr. Gregory House and Arthur Weasley.
Two other actors who were considered to play those roles were Rupert Everett and Alfred Molina, which would have meant that instead of House and Arthur Weasley, we would have had Prince Charming and Doc Ock as the stars in Jasper.
(42:31):
It would have been interesting to see what they did with the role. I can't imagine Alfred Molina doing the dumb slapstick acting that those two were doing.
Yeah, we already talked about the rate of dog adoption, because I did take a note of that as well.
And then this one is just more for myself, which is that I complained while we were watching it that in the remake, there are raccoons that take over the car.
(42:59):
And I said there's no raccoons in the UK. So someone has gone into the goof section of IMDB and put it in under incorrectly regarded as goofs,
that raccoons and skunks are not native. What they said is raccoons and skunks are not native to Britain. However, there are some feral populations there descending from animals imported for fur, which is consistent with the movie's theme.
(43:23):
Now, I don't know if that's what they were going for when they made it, but if it is, then, you know, fair enough that the animals who were anachronistic to me being in a place that they're not normally found,
you know, the animals who were rebelling against us are the very same animals who escaped being part of the fur industry.
(43:47):
It does actually make a lot of sense. It does. Yeah, I forgot to look up budget box office for these. I feel like it's not that important.
You know, 101 did the live action one did really well. I saw it before. It was like quite a small, but like 1630. I should probably just look it up. I was going to start quoting this demand in a month.
(44:12):
I'll look up the original one. 6030 million. Where is it? I had it. I literally just had it. So the budget was 67 million. Right.
And at the box office, it made 320.7 million. So it was the six highest, highest grossing film of 96. The top one being Independence Day. Oh, yeah. Followed by Twister, Mission Impossible, The Rock and the Hodgeback of Notre Dame.
(44:46):
Oh, I do love Hodgeback. The original, the 1961 one had a budget of four million and made 215 million. Wow. Yeah. But he's got a lot of re-releases. Yeah, including I think it was re-released in 1991.
And at that point, like surpassed a bunch of other movies. So it did. Yeah, it was in cinemas quite a few times. But also it saved the studio from what I understand, because they were not doing so well after whatever had previously.
(45:16):
I can't remember. I don't remember. I should know that. Whatever their previous movie was, did not. Oh, Sleeping Beauty. So Sleeping Beauty was a flop originally, which is interesting because people consider it like one of the classics.
So Sleeping Beauty was a flop and they talked about closing down the animation division of Disney and only doing live action stuff because they did have, you know, they did have, do some weird live action stuff like Kurt Russell got his start in Disney live action movies.
(45:48):
Yeah. So can you, so like in 1960, they were like, we're going to close down animation and just focus on our live action films and these theme parks that we're now doing. And there'll be no more Disney animation.
That would be a crazy alternate universe. Yeah, alternate universe where 101 animations either wasn't made or wasn't as successful as it was.
(46:09):
It was, it was genuinely their last shot. They were like, we'll do this one movie and if it goes well, then we'll keep doing animation. And if it doesn't, then that's it.
It kind of reminds me of, I think we mentioned this on the Shrek episode, that when you made a mistake on Prince of Egypt, you had to go work on Shrek. Yeah, yeah.
(46:32):
And it was literally referred to as getting Shrek. Yeah, you gotta go get Shrek. And then it's funny because no one remembers Prince of Egypt.
Prince of Egypt is a stunning film. Yes, it is gorgeous. It looks fantastic. But it definitely didn't become like a franchise like Shrek did. It's not in the same place to the same extent.
It did not go into pop culture like Shrek has. Prince of Egypt is a fantastic film. Kids, if you're watching, get your parents to show you Prince of Egypt.
(47:03):
And if you're listening. It's a very beautiful film and it's got lovely music and it's very cool.
And it does teach you about the Bible. So depending on your belief system, you might not want to watch that. But it is very good. It's a very well made movie.
And for the adults in the room, if you go down to our show notes, you can find a link to our Discord, our website. It takes two dot co dot nz. We can join our mailing list.
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Just like if you convert the episodes and URL into a QR code and then mail it to a stranger, that would be really fun.
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Just go, oh, this person likes this movie or this person likes podcasts or talk about this topic.
This person likes listening to Kiwi accents. Yeah. I just yeah. Share. Share with one person or more.
But yeah, I think that's that would be my call to action is just share. Tell your mom about us. Yeah.
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I mean, my mom loves us. Yeah, she does. She does. And she also likes the podcast.
She also tolerates the podcast. She likes listening to the podcast while she's driving actually nowadays,
except for one episode that she thought didn't sound really good in her car.
But I think we did have tech issues on that episode. Sounds accurate.
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Because she used to tell me she listened to us while she was going to sleep and we put her to sleep, which doesn't feel as good.
But also, I understand it. She said that our soft speaking and then jumping straight into laughter used to jolt her awake.
Yeah, that's not that's not the way you want it. If you want us to go to sleep, my go to is the empty bowl, which is a bad breakfast cereal.
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Mine is the continuous mechanical sound of a fan. Oh, I thought you were going to say horror podcast 109 or whatever it's called.
Random number generator horror podcast number nine. Yeah. You don't listen to that to go to sleep.
No, I have not listened to that in a while, but I should. Yeah, I should. It's kind of you.
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You're in for a long journey with that one. Right. Right. I don't think I've ever listened to an entire episode of the empty bowl.
I think they just put me to sleep straight away. But I think that's part like I think they're happy with them because they play like soothing sounds over it and stuff.
Anyway, thank you for joining us on this little adventure. More awaits in the near future.
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Yeah, we've got we're doing a couple of Disney remake episodes. So yeah, get ready for some more Disney episodes.
Thank you. Goodbye. Bye bye.
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Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com