#11: Lifting The Veil: Truth, Conspiracy, and Enlightenment with Madeleine Doherty

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Things that we don't want to see are hidden.
Confronting that, I think thatthat ignites something within
people as well, seeing the truthof what our society is built on
, and also reveals these deeperparts of who we are.
And then the next step is howcan I now extend this story to
add to the greatest story that'son Earth?
That is where I think we'llfind deep fulfillment, deep

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purpose.
That's really where I thinkhumanity needs to go.
When we have the ability torealize that we are creating
every single day, every singleminute, the world will change
overnight.
Science is revealing a lot ofwhat the tribal people have
spoken about for thousands ofyears, to be true, and if you're
able to have eyes to see it onmultiple levels, it's profound
and reveals so much about whatwe are.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Welcome back to it's All Wellness.
My name is Jermaine Filet andit is my mission to help you
unravel the limitingconditioning that keeps you in
this pattern of self-doubt,self-sabotage and self-loat.
Each week, I'll bring you aperson or a message to keep you
curious about the power of thehuman mind and inspire to take
action in a life that feels morealigned, ultimately helping you
reclaim your life, your healthand your happiness.

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It's all wellness.
Today's conversation is a juicy, deep dive into all that is the
human experience.
Our guest, madeline Doherty, isan Australian researcher, public
speaker and a lifelong studentwho is passionate about helping
humanity remember the truth.
At 13, madeline was quick touncover a web of conspiracies.
As the internet became moreaccessible, madeline naturally

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became very inquisitive abouteverything in mystical, magical
and conspiratorial, and she nowshares the objective truth that
is observable in nature, in ourtrue biology and in cycles of
the planet.
This conversation truly is adeep dive into the occult, to
uncover multi-dimensional layersto this human experience and
how we can use natural law tocome back to our true purpose.

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I cannot wait for you to meetMaddie.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Let's dive in Maddie welcome to the show, thank you.
Thanks for having me Veryexcited to have a chat.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I am so excited Doing a bit of background research on
who you are.
There is just so much that youhave spoken to over the years in
terms of what people couldconsider conspiracy, a lot of
the supernatural.
There's a lot of connectionback to natural law and
astrology and all of thesedifferent elements of life, some
that people haven't even ledinto their space yet, but all

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which excites me incredibly.
So I don't know where thisconversation is going to take us
today, but I am excited to haveyou in my presence and to be
having this chat.
You know there is a lot of theinformation that you share
that's censored online, so itwas kind of hard to get a full
grasp of what it is that youspeak to.
So I would love to start thisconversation today with a bit of

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your backstory, because I thinkthere are just some early age
themes and insights that areunique to you and I guess your
insight and intuition that wouldreally probably shape today's
conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, awesome.
There's so many differentthings I could share, but I will
share.
I was born in a country ofVictoria, so my parents both
grew up in the country and sothey are very down to earth,
grounded human beings, and mydad's a builder.
My mum was a nurse and eventhough she was a nurse and then
actually went on to be avaccination nurse, she actually
raised us with naturopathy andhomeopathy and we went to this

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incredible woman.
When we're in Canberra, irinaHesterman, I'm going to do a
shout out to her because she'sincredible.
So if anyone's in Canberra,she's still practicing.
She's an incredible woman.
But she taught me so much andshe was there on the side as our
.
We never had a family doctor.
So even though mum's a nurseand dad's pretty, you know,
straight down the line withstuff, we had this sort of

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different way of going aboutthings.
And then my nana was anotherhuge influence.
We've got a really specialconnection.
I love my nana so much and shewas the one that kind of opened
me up to looking at the worldbeyond what we see physically in
front of us, and so she'd speakabout fairies in the garden and
she'd ignite this imaginationand creativity within me.
She's very artistic and all therest of it, but very Catholic.

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So then there was that side ofthings.
So I've kind of grown up inthis environment where I've been
around country farmers and veryreligious people, the medical
world, but then like the kind ofalternative homeopathy,
naturopathy world, and then evenIrina would do energy work and
she taught me how to use apendulum when I was in primary
school.
So it's kind of like this vastarray of things and I'm really

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seeing myself now, as I moveforward with my work, that I am
probably going to be in spacesof bridging the gap, because
that's where I've really come tonow and I can see you probably
really work that space as well.
Really well is that there's alot of people that are on the
edge and curious about lookingat the world in this different
way.
But sometimes coming into thesespaces it's a bit full on

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because some people go all theway and they're like extreme in
the way that they kind of viewthings and I see sometimes a
little bit imbalanced and so,moving forward, I've really seen
my upbringing as being able tohold that balance.
But I got interested in theunseen world probably around 12,
13.
My best friend actually saw heruncle as a ghost in her

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backyard.
This is a farming.
Yes, I remember some weirdstuff going on, but anyway I was
fascinated by it.
And then it wasn't long afterthat it probably was around the
time of what ignited me to lookinto it more.
So my dad, being a builder, wasrenovating old Parliament House
and he actually saw the ghostof Ben Chifley Now this is an

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Ozzy Yorker country, bb drinkingman, my dad telling me he'd
seen the ghost of Ben Chifley.
So you can imagine my mind.
I mean, this is after I foundout I don't know If anyone has
kids watching right now just toclose their ears Santa Claus
wasn't real, easter Bunny wasn'treal.
So I'd found out all that kindof stuff and I was like, well,
what is true?
Are these all lies?

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Like what is it?
And I was like what's theactual truth?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
That I know fairies are real.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Like it was like this home is so funny, so I was kind
of in that.
Then my dad shared this and thatwas just, I think, because it
came from him and I was and youknow you respect your parents
and I really respect, respectedmy dad, and to hear him share
that it was like my programmingor whatever of being in the
world kind of just took anothercrack and so, yeah, went down

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rabbit holes as researching allthat and I think it was through
researching Ben Chifley anddifferent conspiracies Back then
it was like scrolling throughforums.
Back then, you know, you go tolike the 20th page of Google
type thing.
You know what I mean.
And yeah, I came across whatwas called the Illuminati and
the banking system and you knowthese large corporations that

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pretty much maneuver what goeson in society to keep
fluctuation of money and controlin certain hands.
And I'm coming into thisinformation as a teenager, so
you know all the emotions aregoing right and I remember
having these arguments with mydad being like dad, you need to
know this stuff, like you needto protect our family.
I can't remember having himlike what are you looking into?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
This is like this is crazy and I'll be like you saw,
ben Chifley, don't youunderstand?
There's something you know theyhave these like things like
this stuff going on out there.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Dad, I remember my whole life was just I'd go and
research and then I'd come andshare with my parents and I'd be
like, oh gosh, what have what'smade me come up with now?
So yeah, one thing led toanother and then I think the
crossroad for me where it kindof took me to where I am now is
with kind of like conspiracy andhealth.
And so I can't remember the agenow, but I was competitively

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swimming and I noticed my teethstarted to get yellow and it was
to the point where it was likethis is weird, I'm getting
cleans every six months and Iwas obviously in a chlorinated
pool twice a day.
It was like 10, 10 sessions aweek was full on drinking more
water than the normal person.
And that was probably when Istarted to really connect with
that intuitive nudge andconsciously follow that

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intuition.
I think before it was a littlebit unconscious as a kid, but
that was where I really feltthere was something poking at me
and I just remember going it'ssomething to do with the water.
I know that it's something todo with the water.
And I went to a dentist for myregular clean.
I said look, I'm gettingyellowing teeth.
What could it be?
I had a curiosity.
I was just a curious kid and hegot really funny.

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He was like well, do you smoke?
And I'm thinking I'm like 13 orsomething.
I'm like, no, I don't smoke.
I was like, no, do you drinkcoffee?
I'm just thinking you'retalking to her like a child,
like a child.
I was like no, and they go ohwell, sometimes the food just
reacts with thought it.
I came up with this thing whichI found out later was bollocks.

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Anyway, I just I followed thatnudge and I remembered
previously doing a bit ofresearch around Erin Brockovich
and she was an idol to me.
I was like what an incrediblewoman and I don't even know how
I came across it.
But there was a crossroadswhere I found some keys where it

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was like the Illuminati MindControl and Pineal gland and
fluoride and them putting toxicwaste into the water which was
essentially fluoride, and I justwent oh my like I just remember
going, I remember the momentactually sitting there going oh
my gosh, they're using it tocontrol people and this is
what's making my teeth yellowand blah, blah, blah Anyway.

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So yeah, and then I went downthat kind of research path of
understanding how fluoride cameto be in our water supply and
the different corporations thatwere involved in creating the
Dental Institute.
And then Edward Bernays and hisinfluence in marketing fluoride
to put it into the water supply, the collaboration with Colgate
and all the rest of it, and itwas mind blowing and on one

(09:39):
level I'm like they're makingeveryone's teeth yellow but on
another level.
I mean fluoride was used tocreate a docile society.
There has actually been a lotof information about them using
it and when they came intoAustralia to keep the tribal
people docile, so veryinteresting stuff.
So that kind of led one thingto another.
Now, through this, obviously,I'm growing up having boyfriends

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trying to be normal.

Speaker 2 (10:04):

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Like trying to sort of like a normal life.
So I put a lot of things to theside and so I guess for a long
time it was very much in thecloset, like I would be tracking
my cycle with the moon.
I've started studying astrologyquite young I think it was like
early high school and I justhad all these interests.
And also I was always quiteinterested in politics.

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Funnily enough, there wasalways that on the side.
And so it makes sense thatthrough my time I've come to
this space of studying naturallaw, because really there is a
lot of crossovers with naturallaw and the laws that we see and
where debates come into placein parliament, because natural
laws do stand.
As you know, they correlatewith human rights in some
respects too.
So I can see how my interestshave all come together.

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But yeah, so that was theprocess.
And then I ended up going to uni.
I actually wanted to study.
I was going to become a doctor.
Just to be annoying, be thatannoying doctor.
But then I was like I probablywill never get a certificate
because they'll be like, whatare you going to do?
Like, do you think you can curecancer, do you?
Anyway?
So I ended up not doing thatand I ended up going to
nutrition and dietetics.

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But I was in my anatomy lectureand they were telling me I had
to cut up body parts.
Anyway, I was like, well,that's not happening.
And I walked out and changed itto journalism.
I was like, well, if I can'tstudy health, I'm going to write
about it.
So I ended up doing journalismand I really loved investigative
journalism sociology andphilosophy, loved them.

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And I met a fellow conspiracytheorist in my investigative
journalist lecturer and hereally encouraged my questioning
and my curiosity and he kind ofpushed me down the road of
understanding a little bit moreabout corporations and how they,
I guess, can maneuver throughthings to get things past and

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how it really works and I guess,this other side of things that
the common person doesn't lookinto, that doesn't research.
I just found him so inspiringbecause he just was so
passionate about finding outwhat was really happening in
certain areas and being thevoice for the voiceless, and so
that was another little littlepush.
But, yeah, one thing's led toanother and then I met my now

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hubby and we moved to thePilbara 2018.
And that's when things got wild.
I had some really full oninterdimensional type
experiences there that I had nothad to that extent before.
We can go into that, but that'swhen I, also through that
process, connected with my nowdear friend and mentor, who I'm

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also speaking to today.
He's coming on to the Sky, toEarth Academy tonight.
I connected with him and it'sactually amazing.
Every time I talk to him I'mlike surely there's nothing more
I can learn.
Like I've spoken to him so manytimes and everything blows my
mind, and I think also with theother research that I do.
But he's helped me so much tounderstand and put the pieces of

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the puzzle together.
And then, along that beingstudying astrology and I did
health coaching as well for abit studied integrative
nutrition and now I'm here,along with all the other things
that happened along the way.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh, this is why I wanted to have you on the show.
I love it Going back into thatconspiracy theorist world.
I think a lot of people arekind of slowly waking up to this
conversation and there is thatborderline of there's some
cognitive dissonance and there'salso that level of like.
If I let this bit ofinformation in and recognize
that I can't necessarily trustthe medical system or my

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government, then what else do Ineed to question?
And that opens a wormhole.
That is huge, and I think youmentioned before we got in our
call that you really felt calledto speak to purpose at the
moment.
And listening to your story now,I genuinely believe there's a
reason why this fell into placefor you so early is because when
we do have these illuminationsand awakening, it's like this

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huge pendulum.
It's with anything, with anymovement, it's like this massive
swing which lasts a whilebefore we find that equilibrium.
And so for some peoplelistening to you speak right now
, there might be some triggeringemotion that's firing up.
There might be some people thatare really aligned with what
you're saying and there's somany people diverse on that
spectrum, but I think becausethe majority of people are only

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waking up to this information inthis new season.
Now the pendulum is still inswing, where a lot of their
actions following receiving thisinformation is fear-based and
still very reactive and stillfeeding the separation and the
divide which is feeding theconflict that we see in the
world.
And so, listening to your story,I do think that there's a
reason why you've gone throughthis introspection and, I guess,

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turmoil early, so that now youcan enter this space where you
can speak to it confidently, butfrom a place of peace as well.
Like I touched on before weeven dove into this, it's so
diverse, on the top, things thatyou could speak to, but I'm
curious as to whether, perhaps,like me, where some one of these
people sound similar to you,who's pivoted in career, like,
oh, maybe it's personal training, maybe it's nutrition, maybe

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it's naturopathy, maybe it's themind now, maybe it's quantum
physics, maybe it's astrology,and I'm just always moving in
this space.
But I think you get to a placewhere you realize all of it's
the same.
It's like this overlapping mapthat stacks and stacks and then
you don't need to learn and knowall of it because it's all the
same underlying information.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's so incredible.
It's like this amazing weaving,and then you realize why we're
here and why Earth is soincredible, because it's
literally a space of learningand when we have that curious
mind and we ask questions, theworld becomes magic and it's
actually a really beautifulspace to be in, to allow
yourself to be a student.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, from where we left off, I'm going to let you
guide where we take this.
I mean, you mentioned yourfeeling called to speak into the
place of purpose at the momentand I know that you've mentioned
this intertwines with what wetouched on in natural law.
I know that you're also workingwith a mentor who speaks to
connection to spirit, so I wouldlove for you to maybe lead the
way and where you feel called totake that conversation.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
I think where it's come to with me is that we all
have this unique story and Ithink my astrology background's
really given more focus to thatbecause, for instance, someone's
needle chart is like what theirspirit has chosen to experience
in this life and it's like ascript.
So when we take our firstbreath it's like a snapshot of

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the sky and that kind of revealsa script of our life.
So back in tribal times itwould be a little bit different.
See, they understood on adeeper level this as above, so
below understanding of when thatbaby was born.
What type of year was it?
Where was the baby born?
Was it born near a river system?
Was it in the mountains?
Was it by the coast?
Who was present?

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Was there an animal that metwith the mother before, or did
the mother see an animal beforethat baby was born?
Like all of these differentthings that happened before,
during and after the birth allhad a meaning and all added to
the character and understandingof who that baby was.
And I've even heard reallybeautiful stories of how a song
will come forward for either theman or the woman in tribal

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times and this is notnecessarily Australia, but it
was essentially a song thatwould come through and it was
sung to the baby throughoutpregnancy and then it was sung
when the baby came to earth andit was like that was their song.
But it also held all theseelements and the essence of that
baby and the path they weregoing to live.
And I think the reason whypeople are starting to question

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as well is because I thinkdeeply, people do realize what's
missing.
I think we get to a point wherewe might have the relationship
and the job and the money andthe house and all these
different things and we've beenbusy with ticking the boxes.
But sometimes we have thatmoment where it's kind of like

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why?
Or thinking about what's thisdeeper purpose for my existence?
And sometimes, unfortunately,that doesn't happen until people
are on their death bed, andthat's the truth of it, like
they can spend their whole lifebusying themselves and having
different forms of gratificationand going along to the next
thing.
And it isn't really untilthey're at those end days that

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they look back at their life andgo well, what was my life?
And essentially it's a storyand it's not that we have to
achieve anything or tick acertain box of any kind, but
it's like have you expressed anddone everything that you've
wanted to.
And you know they say a lot ofthe time that it's not their
regrets that people have done.
It's what they haven't donethat they're looking at when

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they're in their life and reallythat is the expression of their
spirit, why they came here.
And it might not necessarilymean to build a business in a
school overseas or whatever.
It can be really simple, butit's understanding that story
and I think that's where I'vecome to now and I think there's
one level of expressing yourselfas a spirit and understanding

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your purpose.
And I think the next level wherewe really find meaning and we
start to understand thisrelationship to each other and
the earth, is that, okay, thisis my purpose.
For me, this is my story andwhat is my actual role here.
Who am I on this earth?
What am I here to give back?
And I'm really coming to thisspace where we are all

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custodians.
If we've been born on thisearth, we are essentially are a
custodian and we have aparticular animal and habitat
and way of being that we arehere to understand and to care
for.
And I've been volunteering atthis Brumbie Rescue Place down
the road.
For me it's just so random, butanyway, it's incredible and
it's so much fun, and it's areally interesting thing for me

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because, having that countrybackground, but then I also have
this understanding of and deeplove of the tribal culture and
tribal law, and sometimes I wantto shake both of them and say
you guys need to unite, you needto speak, you need to connect,
because there's a knowingness ofpeople who have worked on the

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land for a long time that thetribal people also have, and
vice versa.
There's things missing, though,with people that have come to
the land and managed it in acertain way, and I'm like I want
to see that kind ofconversation happen between them
, because it could be so healing.
But it's also the fulfillment Isee in people caring for the

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Brumbies, caring for the land,understanding why they're doing
what they're doing, becausethere's a lot of misinformation
at the moment around what weshould be doing for the earth,
and if you talk to a tribalperson, you'll know that what is
within natural law is thathuman beings are a part of earth
, we're not separate from it,and we are actually here to
manage the earth, to help createbalance, and so I recently just

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read this incredible book aboutfire and fire management, how
they use fire to manage areas,and so this is a perfect example
of natural law, actually,because they would manage the
fire around certain areas.
So, for instance, they wouldn'thunt in certain areas that was,
say, the song line for thekangaroos because that would be
their habitat, where they wereto keep safe Right.

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And so they would burn fires incertain areas and that fire
would either bring to lifecertain foods or it would keep
other ones down, and then theywould create like a mosaic that
allowed this balance ofdifferent foods for all of the
animals.
And when it wasn't managed,when they were actually pushed
to stop doing these firepractices, that's when countries

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started dying, that's whenthings started to become a
little bit imbalanced, so tospeak.
So that was something that hascome forward for me a lot more,
and it's this understanding that, yes, we have our purpose, we
have our song, and then, beyondthat, we also have this purpose
to care for country, because, Imean, without the earth we're
actually not here.

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It's actually our home.
We do live in these homes withfour walls, but we drink her
water, we eat her food, we arelapping up her vitamins from her
sunlight, so we actually needher to survive, and I think
that's really where my heart isnow is like reminding people of
that, and it's not even woo-woo,it makes sense.
It just makes sense that we arestepping more into that space

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away from them, because this iswhat happens and this is where
the elites in Illuminati and allthat kind of stuff come in is
that they can take hold of thesecertain grassroots movements
and ideas and, I guess,awareness of humanity.
Humanity is starting to becomemore conscious.
They are more aware and morecaring and wanting to care for
the earth, but it's kind of likethat's being grabbed and

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maneuvered in a way wherecorporations can have control
over it and start to make money,as opposed to that actually
allowing humans to be guided bytheir heart.
It's like being guided by greedagain, and so on and so forth,
right?
So, yeah, I think that'ssomething.
That is something that's reallycoming up for me is people

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finding who they are throughtheir own journey, because a lot
of the time it's throughhealing, whether it's mental
health or physical health orrelationships.
You find your story and yourpurpose through that, and then
the next step is how can I nowextend this story to add to the
greatest story that's on earth,to actually heal and to bring

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balance.
And that is where I think we'llfind deep fulfillment, deep
purpose.
That's really where I thinkhumanity needs to go, without
being pushed in that directionby different corporations and
different businesses that wantto see whatever it is take place
.
Because even with the brumbies,like they say, the brumbies are
an issue, but really there are aminority of the non-native

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animals out there.
It's not like they're goingafter the deers and the
kangaroos and things thatthey're on to the brumbies and
there's books about it how whenthey pushed the cuttlemens off
these, like the high country indifferent areas that they were
in, everything became out ofbalanced and it actually created
this kind of wilderness thatended up dying off.
I mean, even in this book Ispoke about before they say in

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1788, there was actually lesstrees than there are now.
So they spoke about how theywould actually manage the tree
growth so that the larger treescould have as much fresh water
as they needed and it wasn't allpulled out of the ground by
these younger trees.
Because what can happen is ifyou just let it all go, it can
pull all the fresh water and sayit just left with salt and then

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suddenly all of those trees aredead.
So there was an understandingwhich was based off law, and so
when I talked to my mentor, hesays we didn't discover this,
this was given to us, this is alaw that was given to us and our
role here is to care forcountry.
That's our purpose as humanbeings.
There's no other purpose.
And unless we care for countryactually can't express what our

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spirit wants to express.
True freedom is being able toexpress, and I don't just mean
speak, but do and play and actand create without restriction,
obviously aligned with what'sright.
We can't do that unless theearth is here.
If the earth is sick, we'resick and we then can't express

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who we are and we can't expressas a community, see our true
potential and see the potentialof humanity unless country's
okay.
I think this is actually anotherpart of it that was brought
home to me.
I actually worked on a minesite for six months when I was
in the Pilbara, and that wasprobably one of those moments

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where I realized what it took toactually be where we are today
and I actually cried my firsttime on a mine site.
But I'm so humbled by thatexperience and I have actually
found that a lot of people thathave been in mining are more
aware of tribal law, tribalculture, tribal understanding
and the impact on the earth,more so than people have never

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seen mining before, because it'skind of like we live in a
violent society, but violence ishidden.
You know, death is hidden,things that we don't want to see
are hidden, especially in thecities, and confronting that, I
think that that ignitessomething within people as well,
seeing the truth of what oursociety is built on and also
reveals these deeper parts ofwho we are, when we see what our

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life and what we're doingactually how it impacts things
around us.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
So yeah, Mads, there is just so much to that.
I felt so connected to everylittle topic that you tied into
that.
It was funny.
Before you even mentioned thefire burning, I was thinking in
my mind like the rules andregulations around burning off
and I had this vivid image in mymind of years ago when I lived

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in Margaret River and all ofPrevely burnt and the
regeneration and the green Likeit was just charcoal and all
this beautiful green vegetationcoming back and then all of a
sudden you started talking aboutburning off.
And one thing that I do see andI think this is why you're so
powerful to speak in this areais that you do understand the

(26:58):
hierarchy that's pushing a lotof the movements that we're
seeing.
But in terms of this push forthe world going green again,
it's to feed a capitalistsociety, right, Like my partner
actually works in the windindustry, on the wind turbines.
But a conversation I had withhim the other day is that we're
now moving towards solar energyand all these solar farms that

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are going up and it's changing.
It's causing this temperaturepattern change You've got 70
degrees up here and 40 degreesdown here at ground level and
it's causing all these weathertroughs, and then when we look
at the movement pattern of thewind turbines, and so even in
itself, this push to go intothis green energy space, it's
still causing disruption to thenatural rhythms and patterns of

(27:43):
the earth.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
It lets off an EMF, but also, how is it powered?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
How is?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
it made Steel from iron ore.
We're just adding anotherproduct yeah, what I mean.
And they've got these big plansto roll out.
It's the same here there's awind farm that they're planning
to do because I live quite rural, they're planning to do and
they've just run power lines,which is a lot of steel and a
lot of iron ore and a lot ofdigging that they've just done

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and blowing off of the earth toget that right To run the power
lines from the wind farms to thepower site.
I don't even know what's called,whatever it's called run by
coal.
And I think this is where, likeyou say, that kind of my
understanding of things comes in, because I've seen so many
different industries.
I used, to date, a truck driver, so I've seen the worst of

(28:33):
agriculture, right, I've seenthe abattoirs it's pretty scary
shit.
I've been in propertydevelopment, I've worked on a
mine.
I've seen the farming, I'veseen the spraying.
You know, I've seen a lot ofthis kind of stuff that I think
a lot of people are sheltered to.
And yet there is this poolwithin our heart that we know
that we want to do better, weknow we want to care more from

(28:54):
the earth.
So if you don't really knowwhat's right for the earth, if
you haven't been on country, ifyou don't actually know what the
laws are and L?
O R E law, then of courseyou're going to take this green
energy thing and run with it,because it's like we do know we
want to do better.
We do know that we need toactually start making changes.

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It's easy picking for thepeople in the cities that just
do not see what's really goingon and what's behind it.
So the wind farms sound good,solar panels sound good, but
where are these minerals comingfrom?
They're still being mined.
It's just more products.
The progress is going forwardwith more accumulation and more
external creation as opposed tothis internal creation, this

(29:38):
internal journey.
You know it's like we'recontinuing going down that path
and on one level you could saywe are meant to, and I think we
are, because for me, I've learntso much about our true biology
through my journey withnon-native EMS and 5G and all
that kind of thing.
I've learnt so much diving intoterrain theory and
understanding all of that kindof stuff from another level as

(30:00):
well, looking at it from eventhe emotional and spiritual
level.
So I think there's a level ofwe are meant to be in this space
.
I mean, we wouldn't be havingthis conversation if it wasn't
for that.
I think there is definitely alevel that, if we're looking at
it from an eagle eye, that weare meant to be in this space.
But I think it's really to comeback to who we are and the

(30:20):
truth and our purpose, and Ithink that there will be an
unwinding and rebalancing.
But we've lost it and I thinkthis is all meant to be.
You know, it's like a lot of theChristian people say it's a
time of the time of revelationand coming up to judgment time,
and you can look at that on manylevels.
I've studied the Bible.
It's the greatest book if youwant to learn astrophiology.
You know there's so much in it.

(30:41):
But we are coming up to thattime now, and now I think it's
really come into that point ofmaking choices with clear eyes.
Because at the moment I thinkthere's a lot of smoke screens
and there's a lot of look overhere but don't look over there,
and great marketing.
I mean just getting better.
I studied marketing.
There's a lot of psychologybehind it, oh yeah.
So it's like, yeah, I think,when you see it from that

(31:05):
perspective.
I mean, even I've workedclosely with local council when
I was in property developmentand I've seen these deals and
these conversations that takeplace and there's corruption on
the lowest levels of parliament,like low, low levels, small
country towns.
There's deals taking place,there's conversations being had
behind closed doors that thepublic aren't privy to, and to

(31:27):
say that it doesn't happenhigher up is naivety.
I think at this point you'vegot to have your head up your
own.
So it's big to not see thatthis is really happening and a
lot of these meetings that theyhave.
They're different summits andthings.
This isn't for the earth, thisisn't for the people.
This is on one level, that'sfor more money and control.

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On another level, it isanti-earth and anti-human.
There is a force beyond thisthat is deeply jealous of
creation.
So it's yeah, I mean it's a bigtopic.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
It really is and you know it's interesting.
Even at the start of COVID,myself and my partners saw the
whole gameplay because it's allavailable.
If you're willing to do thework, it's all available.
I mean, you just need to gothrough the World Economic Forum
website and they literally stayahead of time what they're
about to do and so, like you say, it is naivety.
And I guess we've done this inso many levels of our life.

(32:24):
I mean, we've always been toldto trust the government, you've
always been told to trust yourdoctor and even though, as a
natural path, I saw this eventhough your body is intuitively
saying this isn't right, I'mgetting symptoms, it's causing
more troubles, it's causing this, but people disconnect from
that because their doctor saidto, and I've seen so much
medical negligence in that spacebecause we've been so

(32:46):
conditioned to take it as gospel.
We even saw it with the foodpyramid once that changed.
And again, that's feeding bigag, it's feeding big pharma and
we've now got to learn to.
I guess this is where I am inmy season of life is educating
this personal responsibility inevery level, Like there is no
such thing as truth.
It's coming back to seeking ourtruth and again tying back to

(33:10):
what you were speaking toearlier in terms of storytelling
and our own unique path.
This I don't know.
I think it is universal.
I seem to find when I'm owningit on a topic, it seems to be
like a universal topic thatkeeps coming up.
But it's totally a space whereI'm in too, where it's
recognizing the power of storyand people are so quick to think

(33:31):
that purpose is this big grandgesture that they have to do
with their life or it's theircareer or it's this big noble
thing.
But purpose truly is your lifeexperience and we get given
these challenges, we get giventhese illnesses, like you said,
we get given this ease so thatwe can pop out the other end
with these lessons and learningsand this voice and truth to the

(33:52):
experience that is so uniquefor us.
When we can be authentic inthat space, then it gives other
people permission to feel and toheal and I agree with you in
that understanding.
Our purpose is truly todisconnect from all that outside
noise because there is naturalprinciples that are guiding us.
We've just been so disconnectedand, you know, it depends how

(34:15):
far you want to take it, whetherit's intentionally disconnected
and boxing us from othercorporations, and then also our
own naivety to remain shelteredto that information.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's there as well, yeah, because we've created
this world, we've got to takeownership for it.
I was just thinking then abouthealth.
Being a naturopath, I wouldfind that really difficult, and
I was just having a.
I was just having a think justback when you said about the
doctor.
Imagine you going into adoctor's clinic or whatever and
presenting your symptoms and thedoctor goes well, your
spiritual journey is bigger.

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So you're now to go on thegreatest adventure.
That is, your hero's journey.
So what's your trot and and andthe Latte?
Like I believe in you imagineit would be, but that's what it
is, though.
Right, I mean that would be sofunny in a doctor's clinic, but
I would find it hard being anaturopath, and I can understand

(35:08):
why you've kind of moved alittle bit more into podcasts
and having conversations,because I've found it as well
doing health coaching.
People want this like one thingthat's going to help them, or
they want this tick box thing orthis modality, and it's like
this is your story.
You're about to start writingyour story, like your spirit is
saying hey, I'm ready, like I'mready, let's go.

(35:30):
Here's the keys, follow themRight, right, pick up the pen,
and you know it's like no, Ijust want to take this herb or I
want to take this pill, whichI'm all about, don't get me
wrong.
I'm all about the herbs, I'mall about natural medicines.
I love them.
But really at the core of thesejourneys is picking up the pen
to start writing our story.
And when we have the ability todo that and realize that we are

(35:53):
creating every single day,every single minute, and
everyone comes to that point,the world will change overnight.
I think, even when it comes tolittle things, like little
issues that we see so often, Iget people coming to me with oh,
this is happening and this ishappening and oh gosh, and I
just think this is youropportunity.
Like, where is your block here?

(36:14):
If there's a block there foryou, that's actually something
that's showing you that there'ssomething more for you to see.
There's a lesson there.
But it's not so much acceptingthis as humanity's fate.
It's going do I want this?
Like the earth and the universe, whatever you want to call it
spirit is saying do you wantthis in your world?
Do you want this to be part ofyour reality, yes or no?

(36:34):
And a lot of people just acceptthings as their fate, whether
it's health or a difficultsituation or whatever it might
be, but it's actually anopportunity.
Everything's an offer.
You do want to accept thatoffer or do you want to actually
create something different?
And we forget there's alwaysanother choice.
We think, we only think there'sa red and blue, but there's

(36:57):
actually another choicealtogether.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Absolutely.
This is exactly why I closeddoors on my business as a
naturopath.
I closed doors here as well,because I'm seeing the modality
in this modern world becomegreen allopathy.
It's still feeling, this natureof there's something outside of
me that's going to fix me, andthere's so many elements to that
.
I also had to step asidebecause I could see what was

(37:20):
happening with the trying tostandardize and regulate the
industry and what that is goingto mean.
And obviously now, not being inthat space where I am bound by
guidelines and associations, Ican speak freely about what is
integrity for me and what Ibelieve in.
And it is coming back to ourtruth, because I see so many
people that want to do right inthe world but they're stuck by

(37:41):
these confines.
We saw it with the COVIDenvironment, with what we can
speak to and what gets censored.
But let's revert back.
Let's go right back to thisnatural law.
I would love for you to sharewith our audience if this is a
new concept for them.
What is law that we're speakingto here?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
So Mark Pascio has actually laid out.
So if people want to look upMark Pascio, he's done an
incredible eight hourpresentation on natural law
principles.
So the way I teach it is basedoff those principles and I weave
in astrology through that.
Now I won't say those are theprinciples and that's it,
because this has actually beenwoven through philosophical

(38:18):
debates and differentunderstandings, cultures and
religions since ancient times,right, and so there's been a lot
of debate around what naturallaw is, and even in the last
hundred years there's been theseconversations that have taken
place around what is law andwhat is natural law, especially
when it comes to moving intothings like common law and the
constitution and so on and soforth and how they kind of come

(38:42):
up against man's law and thingslike that.
So there's many layers of it.
For me, on the fundamental level, law is actually within us.
So it's something that isobservable in nature, but it's
also kind of like this innermoral universe that we have
within us.
And so when something happensfor instance something in front

(39:02):
of us happens that we know thatit is wrong, or we see something
take place, it's not so muchit's like an unwritten law, but
at the same time it is written,it's written within the sky and
the earth.
But the way I see it because Ithink sometimes it can be over
complicated or made to seem likeit's this massive thing, but
really all it is isunderstanding that we are

(39:24):
interconnected, we are allinterdependent and there is this
kind of governing force thatreveals the structure of the
universe.
And even Michael Tazarian, whoI learn a lot from as well, he
talks about this being a moraluniverse as well, and so the way
I teach it is I use theprinciples of Mark Passier and I

(39:46):
work through those and showpeople how you can view it in
astrology and you can view itthrough understanding different
esoteric concepts and thingslike that.
A good example is the law ofcorrespondence.
The law of correspondencepeople love this one because
there's a big, I guess, when itcomes to communicating and
understanding your spirit andyour intuition is understanding

(40:07):
signs, understanding what'shappening around you and trying
to see the deeper meaning withinthat.
So the law of correspondencesay, for instance, if you're
walking down the street and yousee a bird flies past, if you
understand the correspondingessence of that bird to say, for
instance, an emotion or aplanet, because obviously the

(40:28):
planets have differentarchetypes, or whether it's a
different element.
If you can read that in acertain way and say, for
instance, you have in your hearta question like, should I move
or is this the right career forme, or whatever it might be,
taking a step back and viewingthe world through that
understanding of the law ofcorrespondence reveals these

(40:49):
other messages that are beingrevealed to you.
There's a corresponding layerall the time.
You can use your imagination tounderstand that as almost like
a metaphor for different areasand experiences that you're
having in your life.
So a good example is whenyou're weeding the garden.
A lot of people talk aboutweeding the garden, weeding the
mind.
That's really revealing the lawof correspondence.

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I've come to this place wheresimple tasks have so much
meaning now to me and I reallyI'm with it, I'm present with it
.
So things like washing thedishes or washing the toilet
bowl or whatever it might be,and how even the toilet bowl is,
we're on rainwater, right.
I'd just been at my sister'shands and ate not the best

(41:29):
things, right and I came back toour toilet bowl being grubby as
, and I was like, well, there'sa, there's a law of
correspondence, because that'smy bow at the moment and so
cleaning that, I'm like maybe Ishould do a colon cleanse.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
mean Like this this is different and I guess when
you move through the worldlooking at just using that law,
it gives you more insight intothings and it can help you to
see things in a deeper level aswell, because then you start to
see things from a multidimensional lens.
So I use that one a lot becausethe law of correspondence
really weaves in a lot withastrology, because planets have

(42:06):
rulerships over certain animalsand colours and times of day and
all of that kind of thing.
So you can go really deep withit.
Like you can literally sit outin the bush for like 10 minutes
and have a astrology reading byjust observing what's around you
, if you understand that law andhow it corresponds.
But then on another level,you've got that within you too.

(42:27):
So do you want to mean becausepeople can feel, say, for
instance, if a crow comes andsits beside you, crows are ruled
by satans.
So they're quite like.
I guess they're very differentto cookaburra, so to speak.
They quite staunch and theyknow where their position is and
they won't let anyone get intheir way and if they want to
get something they'll go afterit or whatever it might be.

(42:49):
So standing next to one, it'slike you're in a space of
refinement of your energy andstarting to become clear on your
goals.
And whatever it might be.
If you've got a crow attackingyou, it could be a whole range
of different things, but thecrow is really also the elder or
the older person.
So you could be doing somethingthat's maybe a little bit
childish or you're probablygoing through life in a way

(43:09):
that's a bit messy and you needto start cleaning up your act.
You're like do it to me, I'mjust playing with stuff here,
but that's what.
That's one of the things, andfor me, when I teach natural law
, it's probably different toother people.
A lot of people do it aroundproperty rights and things like
freedom, especially when it cameto you know what and the mask
wearing and all that kind ofstuff.

(43:30):
They were using natural lawmore in that sense.
For me, I'm very interested inpsychology and mental health and
understanding who you are as aperson and being able to
maneuver through the world in acertain way.
So the way I teach it isobviously different to other
people that I weave in Dreamtimestories and things like that,
because understanding naturallaw, you can break apart

(43:52):
dreamtime stories.
They're very simple andchildlike, but they are so
complex and so multi layered,like you could write a whole
novel just unpacking onedreamtime story.
They're so significant and somulti layered and they also have
different understandings ofeven into relationships of
elements and plants, becauseplants have obviously have a
relationship with differentthings and there's so many

(44:14):
layers to it.
So, yeah, I'm kind of in thatprocess and I will say as well,
I'm still a student.
I'm really in this space whereI'm like this is right and this
is the thing, and whatever itmight be.
But I do know, because I'veseen it on so many different
levels, that there is this kindof golden truth through it all
and the ancients have taughtthis law in different ways, very

(44:34):
much in the way of how tomanage land and how to manage
relationships and kin system,marriage laws and stuff like
that.
Like that's all based offnatural law to create balance,
and that's really the key,that's really the point of it.
Natural law is to keep balance.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
So yeah, it's so interesting.
I mean well before I knew aboutnatural law.
I remember years ago when I wasin college this is what I was
speaking to earlier where Icould see the overlaying
patterns of everything Can Istarted to, for some reason,
sibo in gut health smallintestinal bacterial overgrowth
started coming up a lot with mypatients and a lot of the

(45:09):
testing is the methaneproduction and, interestingly
enough, this was around the timewhere all of these casperacy
and all these documentaries werecoming up on Netflix about the
methane production of cows andhow it's destroying the ozone
layer and all of this differentstuff.
And I remember thinking like Iwas saying to my partner I was
like what's happening with ourmicrobiome is reflected in the

(45:29):
earth and the world around us.
We can see these patterns andthat was just something I didn't
know about the natural law thenand and I don't know if this is
quite the right day, but I wasmy partner's mom who teaches
energy medicine and differentlife cycles and that kind of
thing, and I did one of hercontainers last year and she was
tying in the differentarchetypes and the planets and

(45:50):
astrology and she was talkingabout the day of the week that
you're born and then the lifetheme.
That'll be your lessons and thelife themes.
And it was interesting youmight know this and because I'm
trying to read jog my memory butpretty short was Friday.
It was associated with love andself acceptance and that was
the life theme.
And I was talking with mygirlfriends and when we speak we
talk on the phone for a coupleof hours and I heard in that

(46:13):
conversation that her theme wasalways about relationship,
relationship breakdown and herown level of self love.
And I said to her are you bornon a Friday?
And she said yeah, I amactually.
And I was like how interesting.
I just learned that that'sgoing to be your life theme.
And through that conversation Imyself, being born on the
Wednesday, I have a feeling thatrelated to what message I'm

(46:36):
bringing forward in my career.
And the year prior to that Iactually did my natal chart and
also my business birth chart andit's all throughout my natal
chart about my career in thatspace.
So I just I just hobby in it,but I love it, it's so
fascinating, yeah well,wednesday's ruled by Mercury and
Mercury is the communicator andmessenger, so yeah, so can we

(47:01):
tie this back into?
I know you've spent some timeliving in the Pilbara and I know
a lot of your mentors areelders as well, so I'd love if
you can speak to us about thenatural laws from from that
perspective as well and how thatties in.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah.
So it's a lot aboutrelationships, so relationship
to the earth, relationship toother things, relationship to
the land, even just walking oncountry.
It's understanding the spacespaces that you can go in and
the spaces that are sacred andthe spaces that are men sites
and women sites.
And it's really, as a woman, myrelationship to the men site,
my relationship to the womansite, my relationship to that

(47:38):
pathway, my relationship to thatsongline, and it governs how
you move through that area, thething that I really latched on
to and it has changed a littlebit, but because of my
experiences in the Pilbara,which were have you seen the
movie paranormal activity?
Oh God, is it old, is it reallyold?
I think it's paranormalactivity where they get pulled

(48:01):
out of bed and things like that.
Yeah, my life for like eightmonths, wow, yeah.
And my mom always said I sort ofhad this way about me, like
apparently I used to tell herhow people were feeling and what
they were thinking and all thiskind of stuff, and I had pretty
full on dreams, like I remembermy dreams to be very vivid as a

(48:21):
kid when I was lucid, dreamingalmost every night when I was in
primary school, but it wasusually like because lucid
dreaming is being conscious inyour dream.
Back then it was like, what canI play with?
Because it was my ability tocreate in that space.
So I hadn't really had anythingas full on as what I had had in
the Pilbara.
I had experiences of like, Iguess, figures or beings holding

(48:42):
me down around my neck.
I had my arms pulled.
There was one time where I wasliterally pulled out of bed.
I was literally like awake.
I don't know whether you'veheard of sleep paralysis and
things like that.
I had a lot of that Even in mywaking time, though.
I was in the kitchen one timeand was shoved in the back by
nothing I woke up to.
What I later found out wascalled for tribal people, a

(49:04):
demon dog.
So this disgusting furrymonster thing on my bed.
It smelled putrid, was growling, and yeah.
So this went on for eightmonths, but it did get to the
point where I remember one timejust crying in the bathtub,
being like I can't do thisanymore, like I couldn't go to
sleep without something wakingme up.

(49:26):
But I will say that through thatand this is where I kind of go
to and from we do create our ownreality, and when it comes to
this stuff in the unseen, thereis an element of what we're
creating as well.
So I was going through aprocess, actually, of healing
PCOS, so I was pretty hardcorewith it when I found out the

(49:49):
diagnosis, and this was prettymuch at the start of me moving
to the Pilbara, and I reallythink, on one level, that kind
of my spirit led me there,because we were looking at maybe
staying in Wagga at the time,because I had a job and a place
there and had my horses.
I was all set up, but there wasthis part of me that was like
I'd just been offered operationsmanager in the profit

(50:10):
development and it was a roleI'd been working towards and it
was.
You know, it was really I waskind of progressing in that
space.
But there was this part in myheart that was like there's
something more, maddie, there'ssomething more.
It was like the call toadventure, you know, when Nio
picks up the phone.
You know it was like I had topick up the phone, like I
couldn't not.
So that kind of like led us todifferent places.

(50:31):
But yeah, it was around thetime at the start of me going
there that I had the pain whichwas from assist.
So I went from drinking almostevery night.
I mean, you know, I was likeyour classic corporate woman.
I was working incredible hours,having a wine after knockoff,
drinking on the weekend,smashing myself at the gym.

(50:53):
I will add, had closet tarotgoing on at the time as well,
but that was very, you know,hush, hush and usually when I'd
had a few wines maybe I'd bringit out, but I was very dry, very
go and all of that.
And when I got that diagnosis,it's like I cut every habit,
every thought, form, every,everything that was blocking me
from connecting with my heartand my body and what essentially

(51:17):
what my body was needing.
One of those things actuallywas rising to the sun, watching
the sunrise and watching thesunset.
That was another intuitivenudge and hadn't actually done
any research around circadianprinciples.
Dr Cruz speaks about it a lotand it's a big part of PCOS and
the production with the bluelight.
Yeah, incredible, but I didn'tknow that at the time.

(51:37):
I only came to that informationlater.
But that was a big thing.
That spirit said, like overanything else, organic eating,
all the right.
It was like the sunlight was abig thing.
It was so funny.
I remember once the sun wentout I was walking around with
candles, like I went hardcore.
Luckily Ash is all about sleep,so my husband, so he was like
all about it.
So that was good.

(51:58):
But I went pretty hard withthat.
But when I went through thatprocess of cutting out all these
habits, what I feel like isthese thought forms that had
really become conscious beingsin themselves and was feeding
off me and you could look atanother level as parasites
within my body, becauseessentially a lot of us are
parasite toxic.
If we are living toxic lives.
It's like by me suddenly goingthrough sheer determinism.

(52:21):
I am no longer living like that, I'm no longer thinking like
that.
I am now creating a new way formyself, because this is big.
I want to have babies one day.
I can't keep doing this to mybody.
I've got to make a change.
It was through that.
It's like I was then battlingthe demons within, even though a
lot of the things that I wassharing, when I eventually

(52:42):
shared what they were, tribalpeople knew what all these
beings were.
There's so many levels to it.
That's where the law ofcorrespondence comes in handy,
because, you understand, thereis this kind of holistic thing
going on.
But it was really like I justcut the food source of all of
these different ways of beingand they were trying to get me
back in because it stuffed up mysleep and really brought me to

(53:04):
a breaking point.
So, yeah, through that process Iwent into a lot of different
modalities.
I'd already been doing energyhealing because my nana actually
taught me how to move energy.
So I'd been doing that for along time, since I was about 13,
14.
And it wasn't until early 20s Istarted to realise that
different objects and thingswithin the field were metaphors
for patterns and beliefs andthings like that, and that there

(53:26):
could be beings and spiritsthat are also dictating the
person.
And you can look at that in awhole range of things.
I mean you can come at it froma perspective of materialism,
because these thought forms, youknow, I mean you can look at
them as parasites.
You can also just understandthat we do lock in these ways of
being into our central nervoussystem that keep us in patterns

(53:48):
and loops, right.
So there's so many ways you canlook at it.
But essentially I started tounderstand where we lock things
in those kind of prime times,from conception to age seven.
I started to see, yeah, likepatterns of that in my life.
And so, alongside all of thisdealing with interdimensional
beings at night, clearing mydiet, no longer drinking coffee

(54:10):
or cut out all meat, eggs, dairy, everything went totally
organic and all the rest of itwas also doing the spirit
healing.
But yeah, it got to a pointwhere I was like I need
assistance.
So I actually reached out totwo healers and I thanked them
for what they did, but theydidn't help, unfortunately, and
so I then put a post up onKarath by Swap and Cell and I

(54:34):
said are there any?
I was desperate.
I was like, are there anytraditional healers that I can
connect with?
I need help.
And Clint Walker, who's my dearfriend and mentor, he said,
yeah, give me a call.
And I called him and I rememberthat call so well.
I pretty much just cried on thephone the entire time as I
shared my experience and helabelled every single being that

(54:57):
I'd had contact with and wherethey came from and all that kind
of stuff.
Alongside that journey that Iwas going on, there was things
like I'd taken rocks where Ishouldn't have taken rocks, I'd
been in areas that I shouldn'thave been, I'd climbed different
things that I shouldn't haveclimbed and I'd collected things
along the way, so to speak.
I think, although there wasthat happening, I think for me

(55:18):
to attract those experiences itwas also because of what I was
going through personally as well.
So it's like again that kind oflaw of correspondence that I
was even in that situation, butessentially through his guidance
I was able to stop all of thathappening through how he helped
me clear them out, and then Ikind of continued on the journey

(55:38):
and that kind of brought me tothis new way of looking at
things.
I've never gone down the routeof Reiki or any of those kind of
like other cultures, forwhatever reason, I don't know,
because even Ayurvedic medicinealigns so well with medical
astrology and I studied a bit ofthat, but I never really got
far into it.
I was always really drawn toAustralian culture.
My cousins are Indigenous andso I guess I've always had that

(56:01):
connection and kinship with theculture.
So I'd read a few books, but itjust opened the doorways and
then it just filled in the gapswith all these other questions
I'd had Regarding so manydifferent things and even just
the way we live.
And, yeah, one thing led toanother and ended up starting
the ST Academy, which was reallyignited by everything that I'd

(56:23):
learnt and my passion for it.
I'm wanting to have more ofthese conversations.
That's what I'm doing now.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
For listeners, who, if this, the entities and
everything, if this isrelatively new or completely new
for listeners, if you reallyjust want to get like a
mainstream grasp of this.
Air's Rock Post Office actuallyhas a huge collection display
of rocks that have been returnedof people who have gone there
as a tourist and collected alittle sample and taken their

(56:50):
little special treasured rockhome.
And the Post Office would get aphone call saying ever since
I've left that place, I've hadall of these horrific things
happen in my life and I don'tknow what's going on.
Has something happened?
And they will all say if you'vetaken from the land that same
thing.
And so there are.
This is where it's so importantto keep an open mind, because

(57:11):
when we start to let go of theconditioning and the truth quote
unquote truths that we've beentold that we live and run our
lives by, when we let go of that, a lot of the inner conflict
disappears and, like youmentioned earlier and this is my
partner questions me on this alot as well as there's this
inner knowing.
Like I will sometimes say tohim this is going to happen at

(57:33):
this time, or I know that thisisn't going to happen with your
company and he will say to mewhat makes you think that?
Why do you believe that?
It's not a belief and I don'tthink that it's a knowing.
I feel it in my body and, tothe date, the exact thing that I
will say will happen.
And he's just like you.
Just never cease to blow mymind with how you know this and
I think, when you can justdisconnect from all the clutter

(57:54):
out there and come inward whilebeing guided in every sense.
So, going back to the top of theepisode where I mentioned, it
was my girlfriend, who actuallydid your course, who introduced
you into my world and she hadbeen studying ITA and energy
medicine and understanding thechakras, and she kind of rang me

(58:14):
almost lost because she saideverything that I've learned in
this course feels like truth tomy core.
But also it now makes mequestion if I believe in the
chakra systems, which has beenmy truth up until this point,
and I guess what I came back toher is that there is no such
thing as truth.
The Bible has so much truth toit.
There are so many stories andphilosophical plays that we're

(58:38):
now seeing materialized in thispresent day world, and this is
what we're saying about purposewhen we can be guided by our own
personal truth.
It's not fixed.
It's our unique truth and it'sour unique truth for the purpose
of storytelling andilluminating an open mindset to
the possibility of what itshuman experience is.
But it's not fixed and there'sa reason why some people have

(59:00):
intuitively downloaded theessence of meridians and chakras
and this healing, and it hashelped and healed a lot of
people.
And there is also a reason whyother people can channel and
connect to intuitive wisdomrelating to the land and or
astrology.
And none of it's wrong.
It's just if we think back tothe very earliest civilizations

(59:23):
to date that we know of, how didthey understand the world
before we had the stuff that wehave and rely on these days?
It was through the stars, itwas through the animals, it was
through the land, it was throughconnection to self and spirit.
And I know I mean Catholicismis a part of your life, but my
one thing that I've reallygravitated towards is concepts
that come from the law of one.

(59:44):
I don't know, have you heard ofthe law of one?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, and so I had no religious underpinning in my
upbringing.
But once I had understood thechannelings from Ra and what was
unfolded with the law of oneprinciples, it deeply resonated
with me and it really shaped myunderstanding of the world and
God and spirit and energy andthe different densities and

(01:00:09):
dimensions I think we have torecognize, like this third
dimension material world that wehave created in a crafting,
it's purely energy and it'ssimplest form and the more we
focus on it, the more itmaterializes.
And I think, coming back toself, coming back to the guiding
and the intuition, it's allthere for us and I think your

(01:00:32):
story just speaks so beautifullyto that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Well, yeah, I've started learning as well from
another Indigenous man namedSteve Richards, and he says
whatever you say to spirit,spirit will say OK, yes.
So it's like, whatever yourbelief is or whatever your
assumption is or whatever yourperception is, spirit will say
yes.
And so it's coming from thisunderstanding of we do create

(01:00:57):
and we do create our reality andwhat we perceive in the world
as well.
And it does come back to thisspark, this force.
And I was thinking as well whenyou were speaking about your
husband.
You know I was talking tosomeone that was kind of trying
to grasp this understanding ofbeings and things in the unseen.
And I always come back tonature and I'm like, for me, the

(01:01:19):
way to really understand it andalso not understand it and
never understand it, is lookingat a seed and understanding that
that seed has turned into atree, this marvelous tree.
You know it's like science sortof like breaks it down.
But there's also this elementof how does that happen?
Even just the fact that thesetwo blending of DNA, is these

(01:01:40):
cells coming together andcreating you and I with our own
thoughts and consciousness andpersonality Like it's mind
blowing when you really thinkabout it.
It's like these little seedshave literally grown into trees
and people and beings and it'slike, I think, when you look at
that, it's like you canunderstand it, but you can't
understand it.
It's like there is somethingelse at play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I was reading a book recently from Saad Guru
and he was talking about karma,but he a comment that he said in
his book was that we're in aworld where we're chasing
knowledge and it's likeeverything is intelligence.
We have to go back to theintelligence.
It's not learning, it's notknowledge.
That's a part of this journey,but everything is guarded by

(01:02:25):
intelligence and whether youbelieve in God, in God form, in
Jesus form or in source energyor whatever that entity is, for
you it's intelligence.
And there are things that wecan't explain.
And this is where, again,looking at the overlapping
patterns, it's blending themetaphysical and the physical.
It's like where quantum physicsmeets another element of

(01:02:48):
science.
We can understand to a level,but we also have to trust that
we don't need to know this stuff.
It's being guarded.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Just surrendering, yeah, because we already know it
we know it, it is us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
We are the intelligence and the water that
I'm drinking, the intelligencewithin those molecules that is
entering my body, has ranthrough streams and rivers that
have touched with othercivilizations and communities
and populations and animals, andso all of that water's journey
and the intelligence and thecontact that it's had is now
within me Same with the foodthat I eat, and we need to

(01:03:21):
understand that sometimes thesilence and surrender is where
the true essence of life justcomes through.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Big time, big time.
It's the breath.
When you take that breath, youtake that breath and you find
that centre 100%.
And I love that you just usethat analogy with water, because
you know that I was sayingbefore how, like this, new
technology and all of that hasled me down this trail of
understanding our biology in adifferent way and I've done a
lot of research put out by DrTom Cowan and also Josh Lamerro,

(01:03:49):
who we have on SkytoEarthAcademy, and understanding the
terrain theory and really thatit's this whole other way of
looking at the body and it'sreally seeing the body as an
ecosystem and literally how youknow your garden works and your
compost works.
It's like the same principles inyour body and understanding
that there's more to it but alsothere's so much, there's so

(01:04:12):
much understanding that we canhave of water that we can also
apply to our body.
Our body is, they say, morewater than what you know.
Science is saying that we arealmost like 100% water and we
have different phases of waterthat create organs and cells and
different things like that, andso if you understand that, what
you just shared, then it's likeevery interaction we have,

(01:04:34):
every food that we eat, everyperson that we meet, we're
actually receiving all of thisinformation without even having
to read a book.
I mean, have you heard of thosepeople how they've just put,
like, their hand on a book andthey can?
They suddenly know what's in itand all of this kind of stuff?
I think it comes back, on onelevel, to water.
And if you look at water onanother level, like, that is

(01:04:55):
life force, that is spirit.
So yeah, it's so true, it isliterally within us.
I see the cycle of spirit,which the tribal people talk
about too, is the same as thecycle of water, how there's new
water, there's this new phasewater and it goes through the
cycle and it becomes maturewater.
And it's after that processthat it's had interactions with

(01:05:16):
all of these other differentelements to come to that space
where it's called mature waterand that's the best water to
drink because it's the mostnutrient, dense, and it's gone
through that whole process.
I think spirits take the samejourney through life and maybe
many lives.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
It's interesting.
I was listening to a Ted talkthe other day and he was talking
about well before every livingspecies that we know, like what
they've found right througharchaeology, is the start of any
air breathing life forcestarted from a particular
bacteria, which was the onlyform of life form that you could
consider to be a life form onthe planet, before plants or

(01:05:53):
anything.
And it was the breathingprocess of that one bacteria
that only had a life cycle of, Ithink, 12 days or something
like that, that actually thecarbon and oxygen exchange
through that is what actuallystarted to change the
atmospheric oxygen levels andmake Earth a habitable planet

(01:06:13):
for humans to live on, and thatin itself.
He somehow drew that back tothe formation of star clusters
and planets, and it was only newto me, so it's not something
that I can actually recallspecifically through memory, but
I, just as soon as I heard itjust, and drawing back to
purpose, he said when we startto question what our purpose is,

(01:06:34):
do you think this archaicmicrobe that has a 12 day
lifespan knew that it would bethe pinnacle of human creation,
of life, of Earth in itself?
It was just literally existingand through its existence Earth
became what it is today and itis so profound and it makes you

(01:06:56):
really realize that just beinglike this is a huge element of
this season of life.
For me is redefining well being,but it's like just being being
authentic, being withinourselves, being in integrity,
being congruent with our beliefsystems and what's calling us.
That in itself, like youmentioned earlier, when we can

(01:07:16):
all align to this, the world canchange overnight.
When we start to recognize thepower of the mind and the power
of energy and connecting tospirit in our healing, when we
start to realize that we are themedicine, then we start to
break down these corporationsthat have been profiting off the
sick and profiting offagriculture and the food
industry and we can come back tothis natural way of living.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I think incredible as well with that story, because
it's the breath and breath isspirit.
So it's really showing spiritreally again applying the law of
correspondence.
It always comes back to thisbreath and this duality right of
breathing in and breathing outwas really that duality of
spirit which the Gnostics speakabout?
That that you know it was likeone, and then the duality and
that was where creation reallycame from.

(01:08:06):
And then you actually see itwithin evolutionary science like
that's incredible, mind blowingto me to be, I think that's
also how we speak to thesepeople that are coming to
understand.
This information is like scienceis revealing a lot of what the
tribal people have spoken aboutfor thousands of years.
To be true, it's justexplaining it in a different way
and if you're able to have eyesto see it on multiple levels,

(01:08:29):
it's profound.
I think someone just learningthat you know not necessarily
people listening to this podcast, so they obviously understand
it on one level, but it's theaverage Joe might go that's
interesting, but when you reallysee how profound it is with the
eyes to see, it's mind blowinginformation and reveal so much
about what we are, it'sincredible.

(01:08:50):
Thanks for sharing that.
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, I thought you'd appreciate that one.
So we've gone on this reallylong journey and a lot of the
themes are coming back to self,coming back to nature.
I'm wondering if you can share,I mean, your career.
Evolution has taken a hugejourney.
Health and well-being stillseem to kind of underlie beneath
the surface.
I'm wondering if you can, firstof all, just share with us what

(01:09:14):
Sky to Earth is.
You mentioned you've got a callfor that tonight with your
group and how you're speaking inthis space, like what you're
providing, where people might beable to reach out and work with
you, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
So yeah, sky to Earth came about actually.
People were pushing for acourse from me actually because
I was sharing a lot ofinformation on Instagram.
But you know, instagram it'squick information, it's not
really sharing long form and Imuch prefer that because you can
obviously relay a lot more.
So it really was born frompeople wanting me to create a
space where we could haveextensive conversations.

(01:09:45):
I've done little things in thepast.
I've actually held a fewretreats which was incredible
with my sisters and done a fewlittle short courses and little
zoom videos around differenttopics.
But I decided to create Sky toEarth and it was pretty much
teaching astrology through anancient lens while weaving in
the tribal dream time stories,because we had Clint Walker come

(01:10:05):
on as a guest speaker sharingabout different stories and
answering questions, and becausewe talk about Sky law is what
they would call it, what theycall astrology essentially, and
I could then share myunderstanding of it and we could
see the correlations, just likeprogress from there.
And I think it just grew to mewanting to share it with a
different structure, because myinterest was really moving more

(01:10:29):
towards natural law and livingaligned to that.
But I could see how you couldstart to understand it and
actually embody it when youunderstand your own chart and
how you can apply it Withinactual law principles and how
you can view things.
In a certain way, I just foundastrology a really good way to
explain it on one level, weavingit in.
So I ended up changing thecourse a little bit where

(01:10:49):
instead of going throughastrology modules, it was like
natural law principles that weremoving through with elements of
astrology, so mostlytraditional and Hellenistic
astrology, which is slightlydifferent to modern astrology
which most people do these days,mostly because it was more
aligned to the dream timestories.

(01:11:10):
I find modern astrology, whichI love, is kind of.
It's a little bit more loose inthe way it's presented and I
actually love it.
I weave it in, but because ofhow I went down that more
refined way of doing it, italigned more to teach
traditional and Hellenistic forpeople to understand natural law

(01:11:32):
principles.
So it progressed from there andthen we were getting guest
speakers on and I was loving theconversation so much I didn't
want them to end.
Essentially, so in between thelonger courses I just had this
nudge to do a conference, so Iended up reaching out to my
friend, adele Holmes, and I saiddo you want to co-host a

(01:11:53):
conference with me?
And essentially the idea is tohave these higher level
philosophical conversations,essentially asking questions,
bringing guest speakers on andhaving these discussions once a
week based off the informationthat we've gone through and
really being guided by whatsurfaces, you know, the
information, the questions, thepeople in the group and to
continue these conversationswith really the intention to

(01:12:16):
find balance through comingacross a lot of this information
.
Because, like I said previously, you can get all of this or
maybe it was before we start thecall but you can have all this
information and you can reallyrun with it and kind of lose
yourself.
I think sometimes and I've beenthere, especially when you're
coming into this new way oflooking at things you can
totally go in one direction andkind of lose yourself or go

(01:12:39):
completely the other way,whatever it might be.
But it was to have these multidimensional, multi layered
philosophical discussions andfind balance in having these
conversations with the intentionof what is true, what's the
truth, where can we see thesedifferent, different
understandings woven through howthat person, what that person's
presented and how that mightrelate to this person's

(01:13:01):
presentation, because you knowthey come with different
perspectives, they come withdifferent stories, and so that's
even more incredible because,rather than just having one
person share, one person talkand whatever it might be I mean
it's similar with the podcastwhen you have all of these
conversations, you have a muchbroader understanding and really
that was how knowledge wasshared and that was how this

(01:13:22):
kind of learning took place backin ancient times.
You know, there was all thesedifferent nodes coming into this
system of knowledge sharing.
It wasn't so much a lecture atthe front saying this is what
you're learning today and blah,blah, blah.
It was conversations and it wasstorytelling and all of that.
So that's what it's progressedinto.
So, essentially now I have theSky to Earth Academy conference

(01:13:43):
and then the Sky to EarthAcademy journey, and the journey
is more modules that we workthrough.
It's not it's structured, butit's also not structured.
We see where we flow and theconference is really bringing
guest speakers on havingconversations, having
discussions around what comes up, answering questions, asking
questions and that type of thing.
So, yeah, I called it sky toearth because we cover

(01:14:05):
everything from sky to earth.
Yeah, so it's kind of like mypride and joy, and one of my
intentions as well that sort ofcome out of it is, if I have
kids one day is to have a spacewhere it might essentially turn
into a new way of learning andeducating essentially.
We actually have a few childauthors in the group and one of

(01:14:29):
them has been inspired to createlike a bush school.
So, yeah, it'll be interestingto see how it goes, because this
is where it's funny for mebecause, again, being the bridge
, I'm not and this is like notagainst anyone in that space,
but I'm just not really fullyinto the whole Steiner or even
fully hippie way of doing thingslike I.

(01:14:50):
I'm really about balance now andI think that that's really
important for me and I thinkthat's really going to be the
only way we move forward a bitmore united, if we can find some
common ground and find thatmiddle point of neutrality,
because I think when we go oneway or the other, it that's
where more divides take place,and it's not so much that even

(01:15:10):
if you look at tribal law, allthere's different laws in every
country because it's based offthe country and based off what's
needed in that space.
So we need diversity, but Ithink it's like having a space
where we can have conversationswithout there being too much
sway.
You could look at it from youknow, an outsider, and going
well, you definitely that way,depending on where you're

(01:15:30):
sitting.
But yeah, that's kind of whereit's rolling, so we'll see how
it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I think it is coming back to that oneness, right,
like you mentioned earlier, thatthe perceived crisis that the
world is in right now is.
You know, you can question ifit's an essential part of this
human experience, right?
I just think, coming back tothat storytelling, giving
everyone the space to sharetheir perspective, a huge part

(01:15:56):
of what I speak to is nothingexists except for perception.
Like the whole, everythingaround us is purely perception,
and the truth of it comesthrough the voice of a human
being who's perceived it throughtheir own bias lens, and so to
be able to sit in circle andshare in a way, I think that's
really, really empowering to beable to create that unity and

(01:16:17):
that oneness.
And coming back to that point ofcrisis within the world, I mean
, I think, whether you read itfrom the Bible or whether it's
other philosophers, throughouthistory, this point in time
there was all this fear becausewhat was happening in the world
was matching what had beenforecasted.
You know the end of the worldand people say the world's going

(01:16:38):
to burn and it's like are welooking at it through that
perception of the material thirddimension, of what that
actually means, or is it thatwe're facing a point of time of
choice and we can transcend, butthe more that we keep feeding
this separation and the divide,the more longer we're going to
stay here in this place.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Right, it has to be this surrender, this unity, this
staying true to ourselves, butnot fighting and pushing from
this place of fear as well yeah,I think you can apply, like
again, the law of duality here,because, while it's a time of
crisis, is the time ofopportunity and, you know, I
think it's really important thatwe hold two poles, and that's

(01:17:19):
why I always come back tobalance, because we also don't
want to be in a space of goingone way or the other.
Total crisis, I mean.
If we're living in a space ofthis world's a total crisis,
what does that do for mentalhealth, for people's, how they,
you know, go through the world,how they treat each other,
decisions that they make, andthen, if it's only opportunity,
you know, people can end upcompletely bypassing someone

(01:17:42):
that needs help on the streetand grow.
So it's kind of like holding twopoles.
There is a time of crisis, butit's a time of opportunity, and
it's like you know, you can getto the point where it's like, oh
, it's crisis, there's nothingthat we can do, but it's like no
, engage, wait, we're here toengage with the world.
We're here to, at thisparticular point, being shown
these certain things for areason.

(01:18:03):
I mean, there's no such thingas a coincidence.
There's things coming up andrevealing different things to us
, and is that intelligence?
It's that life force that'scommunicating and nudging us to
tell our story and it's yeah,it's interesting one.
That's why balance comes up somuch, because we do have to hold
two poles, and I think that'show we move forward not with

(01:18:25):
fear, but knowing that we don'twant to be in a space of
inaction and being passive,because nothing ever, you know
you don't learn through that youdon't, actually, you're not
able to engage with the worldaround you and then learn
through relationship with whatit is that you're doing or
people around you, because forsome people they completely
disconnect.
And I was in that space.
I was like I'm going, I'mliving out, in a heart, in the

(01:18:46):
middle of the bush, you know,but that's imbalanced, because
we need to find balance movingthrough this process.
I really think that that's theway forward.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I think it is the crisis that is the catalyst
for change and it's only throughthe crisis that growth gets the
innovation, that growth getsthe movement and the momentum.
And I had a conversation withsomeone a couple of months ago
and they're saying about howdevastating the world is and
it's disgusting and all of thisstuff.
We were talking about the stuffthat's only just coming to

(01:19:17):
surface the pedophilia and thesex trafficking and
transhumanism and all of thisdifferent stuff, and a lot of
people are very slowly waking upto this.
And it is scary when it's newinformation, right, and this is
what we were saying where youstart making decisions based out
of fear.
But I see this in the positivereframe, in that this stuff has
always been happening.

(01:19:38):
I mean what?
You were 13 when you started touncover this.
You know there's, there'sconversations and I was reading
about child pedophilia back inmy late teens.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
It's been going on a very long time, yeah, and you
know, there's so much stuffaround, even a lot of political
stuff that's happening now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
It's been going on for a long time we've just not
known, and so for me, I see thisplace of crisis is a really
good point, because it's likeit's awareness.
Now.
The only reason it seems so bigand so much is because so many
people are now waking up to itand so many people are having
those conversations, whereasthere's always been this big is

(01:20:14):
just no one knew about it, itwas under the surface, and so
when we can reframe and see itfrom that point of view, it's
that we are getting the momentumforward, like it's awareness
proceeds, change, and the morewe become aware, the more we, as
humanity move in a direction.
We're not just sitting in aslumber anymore, and I think,
when we can take thatperspective I don't know, for me
personally I think it can lifta lot of the fear and the

(01:20:36):
anxiety, because it's like, okay, well, that means there is
movement happening and that is agood thing and I think it comes
back to which I know you speakabout a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
It comes back to yourself.
If you are having theseemotional reactions to the
information, there's probablysomething within you that it's
triggering and I think for methat's kind of where I've come
to, as well as how I engage withthem.
React to certain news orinformation usually tells me
what's going on internallywithin me.
If I can't have a neutralresponse where I'm observing

(01:21:08):
what's going on and making adecision from spirit, I know
that there's something elsegoing on for me.
I mean, it's the same when youjust you know little things,
like when you bump your toe oryou break something or whatever.
I always think there's alwayssomething to it.
But it's usually like if you'rea bit peace and imbalanced
within your body and your heartand your mind, something like

(01:21:28):
that can happen.
You just sweep it up.
But if you're a little bit outof whack, you might just drop
one little thing that reallydidn't mean that much to you and
just burst into tears.
You know, because there is thiskind of internal imbalance
going on and I think it's thesame when it comes to this
information is if you have acertain reaction to whatever it
is and it might even beoffensive, or maybe even you

(01:21:51):
know, I've experienced this alot kind of dismissing or saying
that person's crazy or whateverit might be.
Usually how they even respondto that is how they also are to
themselves.
They don't take themselvesseriously, they don't have
respect for themselves and theydon't listen to themselves.
And it'll be how they alsoengage with that information or

(01:22:13):
people sharing it in some way,and there's always something, a
lesson within it so it alwayscomes back to us.
Like you said before, it's totalself responsibility, even when
we engage with this newinformation as above so below,
like you said.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
So, mads, if you could leave our audience with I
mean, there's just so muchwisdom that you could share if
you could leave our audiencewith something that may empower
them, perhaps, in navigating theworld that we're currently in.
We touched on purpose, you know.
Coming back to their authenticexpression, what advice would
you like to give?

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
people.
I think it's really coming backto what your story is.
We talk a lot about the hero'sjourney in Sky to Earth and
that's really the journey thatwe go on.
It can be, it can look like ahealth journey relationship,
whatever it might be.
You know, we can have theseterrible things going in our
life, or we can have thesedifferent heartaches, or we can
have challenges and essentially,every moment we have a choice

(01:23:11):
to pick up the pen and changeand turn around how that story
ends or how that story isrelayed.
You know, and I think that'swhere these conversations are so
important, because you know Icould have come on here and told
you an introduction of howdifficult my health journey's
been and what was me and do youknow what I mean Like, and I

(01:23:32):
could have done it like that,but actually I've seen it as
such an incredible steppingstone to where I am now.
So I think it's always comingback to what is the story that
you want to write?
And this is a little bit morbidand for some people that like to
stay on the cheery side of life, I'm sorry about this, but
there is something that I alsothink about a lot, and that's
actually death.

(01:23:52):
In this society we really hideaway from death.
It's covered up.
You know, I really experiencedit when my granddad passed.
Fortunately he was able to passat home.
But the whole process with howAustralia deals with death is so
different to other cultures butit's really seen in a different
light by tribal people, by alot of ancient cultures, and I

(01:24:13):
remember learning one time aboutI don't know if this is certain
tribes, but there is thismorning song and morning
grieving, literally morning, asin mourning, as in grieving that
the tribal women would do incertain areas and they would
literally cry in the morning andit was like expressing all of
their pain and the loss and theywould cry together and it was a

(01:24:34):
really uniting time and moment.
And I think it steps you intothis space when you think about
winter comes and seasons end.
I think it allows you toappreciate your story.
It allows you to appreciate thesmall things in life and how
incredible of a gift it is to behere, makes you think what's
really meaningful when it'ssitting and eating your food and

(01:24:55):
being present and having aconversation with those that you
love and making each daymeaningful, and maybe meaningful
can be like lying on your bedthe whole day because you don't
feel great, like whatever it is.
But it's like having that inyour mind and I know that can be
morbid.
I think it's only more becausewe see death in a different way
to what it is.
I think it really shows us howblessed we are, you know, and

(01:25:19):
how incredible every day is andhow much of a gift it is, and I
think that that having that inmind helps you to make decisions
.
I know for me, when I was doingmy corporate job and property
development, I wasn't thinkingabout death, like I was thinking
about my to-do list, thinkingabout the next five weeks and
our campaign strategy that I hadto execute.

(01:25:40):
I wasn't present with how I wasfeeling and how deep my breaths
were during the day andlistening to the birds and those
little things.
But I think, coming back tothat, and it's like how do you
want to write your story, how doyou want this story, this
chapter, to end?
And it's just a chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Yeah, I love that and it's again.
Timing is just so interestingbecause I'm just looking at
rebirthing, a program that I rana couple of years ago and the
final module of it is speakingspecifically to this.
I ask them to write the eulogythat their loved ones write for
them at their funeral, Because Ithink we go through the
day-to-day experience focusingon the material things that we

(01:26:21):
leave behind when we go.
Like, when we go, the onlything that remains after this
body is gone is the essence thatwe leave in the memory of our
footprint, our legacy, and Ithink so often people get caught
up on how their body looks, inthe car they drive and their
house they live in and their joband their status and the
economy and all of thisdifferent stuff, and no one you

(01:26:42):
don't pass on, and people talkabout how you looked when you
were here on Earth.
People love you and people aregoing to be at your funeral on
your deathbed remembering thosemoments, about how you made them
feel, and so if you're livingthis life driven by the ego and
driven by the material anddriven by this

(01:27:03):
self-gratification, then you'renot having those experiences,
those connections, that energyexchange with the people that
actually imprint your legacywhen you're no longer here, and
this again comes back tostorytelling and the respect for
the elders.
Through all of that part of lifeand how we've evolved, it's so

(01:27:24):
important to have something toshare to our children, to
continue this legacy right.
And I think when we can wake upeach day and live reverse
engineering, like live with theend in mind we can really see
and have gratitude for everymoment of this life.
And I think it really puts intoperspective whether we're
climbing a ladder that's leaningon the wrong wall.

(01:27:44):
I think COVID woke everyone up.
Covid had such a fear sting toit that in the coaching space I
started to recognize like peoplewere quitting their jobs.
People were starting to realizewhat the hell am I doing with
my life?
People are dying on the insideevery single day and we have
this fear of leaving the Earth.
But it's just like how much areyou actually alive in this

(01:28:07):
present moment?

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
110, yep very alive you and I 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Oh God, I'm just like .
Oh my God, how have I not metthis woman, sorry, much earlier
down the track.
So, maddie, how can peopleconnect with you?
Maybe with Planner to Seed forsome people?
Maybe people are already onthis journey.
How can people reach out orfind you or work?

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
with you.
I might share my email so thatyou can drop that, definitely
email me and reach out.
Otherwise, I'm on Instagram and, yeah, sky to Earth.
We've just closed the doorswith the conference, but we will
most likely do another one nextyear and I'll do a journey
which I'll share on my Instagram.
But if you wanna go on awaiting list, you can email me

(01:28:49):
and I can put you on that aswell.
So that's pretty much it.
I'm betting on uploading onYouTube.
I was thinking of startingvideos on BitShoot, but I'm
enjoying getting on otherpeople's podcasts at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Yeah, I think showing up on other people's platforms
would a way to do it, and I amso like you in the sense that I
can't do the short form.
It's got to be conversation.
That's where the goal is.
So, yeah, I totally agree.
Hmm, well, thank you so muchfor everything that you've
brought to this.
I really think that we wouldhave illuminated a lot and
planted a lot of seeds as well.
So thank you for today.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Thank you so much.
I really enjoyed thisconversation with you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
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