#12: How To Trust Your Intuitive Guidance with Casey Stevens

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Instead of being influenced by everything, which

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is again where these adaptivestrategies might have come along
, where we're hyper-vigilantbecause we're attuning to the
environment.
I would rather operate fromthis place, this quiet gentle,
knowing that I can uplift thevibration of the environment by
being in it, because I amcoherent inside myself.
And how do we uplift the worldand really raise the vibration

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frequency?
That's the most potent way thatwe can do it, rather than
always reacting and respondingto the environment.
It's like, actually, how are wemost powerful at influencing
that?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome back to it's All Wellness.
My name is Jermaine Finlay andit is my mission to help you
unravel the limitingconditioning that keeps you in
this pattern of self-doubt,self-sabotage and self-loathe.
Each week, I'll bring you aperson or a message to keep you
curious about the power of thehuman mind and inspired to take
action in a life that feels morealigned, ultimately helping you
reclaim your life, your healthand your happiness.

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It's all wellness.
Today you are in for such asoul-narration conversation that
really does bridge science andspirituality.
We are joined from across theglobe with Casey Stevens, a
spiritual psychotherapist who isclinically trained and
mystically guided.
Casey has a holistic approachto psychological healing that
really helps restructureunproductive patterns and help

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her clients make radicaltransformation through conscious
awakening.
Today is a really beautifulconversation that really aligns
to the real mission for why Istarted this podcast.
We talk about the dis-ease that, when unexpressed, materializes
into the physical disease, andwe talk about awakening to our
own intuition, helping you takepersonal responsibility in your

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life, your health and yourhappiness.
So let's dive in, casey.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Welcome to the show.
Thank you so much.
It's a pleasure to be here withyou.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, I am so honored to have you joining us from
across the world today.
There is a lot of synergy inwhat lights you up and what
lights me up and how weinterweave a little bit of
spirituality and science intoboth of our professions.
So I am incredibly grateful tohave you and your time here
today.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh, I'm so grateful to be here with you.
Likewise, I feel a lot ofsynergy with you.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
What I really love about your key message is that
you're clinically trained andmystically guided, and this is
what really jumps out to me,because I like to understand the
science behind things as abasis and then allow, I guess,
what science is only juststarting to catch up to and what
we've always traditionallyknown around intuition and
spirituality and allowed that tocome through.

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And I think the clinicallytrained element really allows
people who are kind of neutralon the fence or a little bit
skeptical of this element ofconsciousness and therapy to
have an introduction.
So what I would really love tostart this conversation today is
perhaps just give me a bit of abrief background on your
practice and perhaps how you'vecome to be in this particular

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model of psychotherapy.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, there's probably a long and a short
story to that, but I'll try tocondense it as much as possible.
Ultimately, I came through thisreally kind of organic way,
which is when I was in a time inmy own life when I really
needed to heal.
I was fortunate enough which Idon't think was a coincidence
that the healing that I soughthappened to be from a therapist.

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But she was also extremelygifted in her own tools and
medicine and magic, and so sheworked in this world, even
though she wasn't broadcastingit.
But I think it's no coincidencethat I came to find her and
that we worked together.
And what I found in my ownhealing space and this is well
over a decade ago I just foundhow enriching it was.

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I knew I needed to have thisscientific way that we were
talking and understanding,critically thinking about things
.
I come from a very groundedplace in my own mind, I would
say as well, but what I foundkind of took me to the level
that I needed to get, was to beable to incorporate this other

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spiritual self that I could talkto her about, I could
experience, she could validate,I could see validated in my
interactions with her, and so itreally just reconnected me.
It helped me remember all ofthose intuitive parts that I had
that were inside of me that I'dprobably been ignoring or
neglecting for a long time.
And so I just found and it wasa time period in my life where

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everything was dissolving and soI really had to reexamine who I
was and how I wanted to show upand move forward in the world,
which also meant my career.
I didn't do this work yet, but Icame to her one day and I just
said I think I want to do whatyou do.
And she said to me I've justbeen waiting for you to say that
.
And of course, in my visions Ididn't want to copy her exactly.

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It was just like you know whatI want to help people in this
really practical way.
And with that time that meant Ihad to go back to school and do
all of these things, and I wantto integrate my own magic and
medicine.
And I knew that it would workand that it would resonate with
people because it resonated sodeeply with me.
So I knew other people wouldbenefit from this same kind of
healing and frankly, at the timeI mean this is maybe 15 years

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ago that wasn't readilyavailable.
Right now it's so much morenormalized as holistic healing
and intuition and all of thosethings.
But it wasn't easy to find andI just thought, man, if I am
resonating with this so much,other people have to be hungry
for this.
And so then it was just clear,like once I clicked into my
vision of how I wanted topractice.

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I just was very steadfast on apath to do exactly that, and do
it in my own unique way.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
So and so for the audience, this concept of
mysticism, I think it can kindof lead to a bit of a stereotype
where people might think we'retalking about looking into your
magic ball and clairvoyancy andthis kind of thing.
So I'm wondering if you couldperhaps just differentiate
traditional psychotherapy fromthis modality that you've
interwoven, where you bringspirituality into that.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, I mean I think there are, I think, of this
scientific model, anything right.
Whether you apply that tomedicine or this, I call it kind
of more a Western model.
There is so much value and Ithink it provides a useful
foundation of tracking patternsand helping us understand
intellectually things.
And so I think of psychotherapyand certainly the trainings

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that I had as a therapist rightin psychology specifically as
really really beautifulfoundation and I needed that as
well just to understand thehuman psyche and behaviors,
human behaviors and patternsbetter.
But again, integrating for meand I did it sort of gradually
and in all of these ways that Ijust kind of connected more to

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my own intuitive spiritual selfand I found that incorporating
that spiritual self isn't alwaysaccounted for, and so it's
almost like in science we reachthe ceiling and which to me
means limitation, like there's alimitation with how much we can
help anybody because we're notaccessing all of these layers of
who they are and what's goingon around.

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You know, kind of in theenergetics of that's not
necessarily something we studyin the scientific programs that
we do, and so for me it wasreally just wanting to honor
both, even if that was kind ofstepping out on a ledge and
connecting a lot of the giftsthat I have.
Even that my own intuitioncomes just from a place of deep

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knowing where I had developedthis deep relationship with
myself, and it's not somethingthat can really be taught.
Certainly there are ways thatwe can study ancient practices
and Eastern studies and, youknow, there is a way that we can
tap into different modalitiesand learn that.
But to me, I think what's sofascinating is finding what each
of our own gifts and medicineare, which we're going to

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express differently, and when wealign with that and we're
anchored in kind of a clinicalunderstanding of things but we
align with that within ourselves.
Rather than trying to besomething that we've learned or
we studied or copying somebodyelse, we're doing it in an
intrinsic, I guess, organicright, like that medicine is
unique to you and we're tappinginto our own blueprint, and so

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when we add that we are so muchmore powerful at helping people,
I have found anyway becausethat just becomes this conduit
that they can tap into inthemselves right.
So it's not a matching or amirroring, but an opening of
their own gifts, Whatever thoseexpress themselves in them.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
So Thank you, that's beautiful.
I love the way that you'veexplained and defined that.
Did you find it challenging?
Because I know for myself whenI studied the psychology model.
There is this big teachingaround not allowing yourself or
your story to be influencing orcoming through in the clinical
setting and what.
I've found through my ownjourney is it's actually through

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story and it's actually throughbeing able to connect in that
relationship that you can trulyallow, I guess, someone can feel
seen and heard and allow themto drop into perhaps aspects of
themselves that they weren'tready to face.
It builds that trust, obviouslywithout making it about
yourself, but it allows peopleto think there's not necessarily
a hierarchy here.

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Where you're a trainedprofessional, it's almost like a
round circle where you can sitin circle and share story and
really get to that deeper levelof healing.
When you made that transitionin your own practice, did you
find that challenging or anyconflicts come up with that?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yes, and I couldn't agree more.
I really often refer to thecontainer that I provide as this
sacred circle where we're twosouls meeting or however many
people are in that circle.
We're just meeting, and I thinkthere is something.
Even the psychology that Istudied was more of a humanistic
approach and so it celebratedthat I was already leaning into

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that, and humanistic means thatwe can show up and we can use
our humor, we can tell personalstory, so I was drawn to that
already and I think, droppinginto that because most of
psychology there are very fewmodalities within the psychology
field that really do celebratethat, because most of it's just
like, okay, you're here, and Ihear that all the time from
people that tend to find meright is that they've had some

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experience where they weren'treally feeling like they were
sitting with the essence of aperson, if they had tried
therapy before and not beensuccessful, which is not an
indictment of that.
It's wonderful for some peopleand I think people are seeking,
to your point, just more of thishuman connection and
normalizing and sharing ourstories and being more
transparent when it's valuable,right, I mean therapy is
certainly not for me to show upas a therapist and dump any of

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my stuff or project any of thatonto somebody, but it's really
again, I think it's an intuitionof knowing when that would be
vital and what I mean.
I notice I'll get downloads ofthings while I'm meeting with
somebody and if that is thisimpression or this memory is
coming through for me, or alittle story connected to an
anecdote or something that I canshare, I'll think I know

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there's a reason for them thatI'm getting this, because if I'm
integrated around it, thenthere's a reason this is
dropping in for me.
And of course, you have tointuit timing and all of that
and if it would be appropriateto share, but oftentimes I find
that it is, it's like, alwayspays off.
There's a reason you're giving,being given this impression to
share with somebody so that theycan have the healing benefit of

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it or that it would resonatefor them in some way.
It's like.
However, it's not my job andI've learned this, actually,
from some ancient healers tooit's not my job to interpret
what this might mean for you,but for some reason I'm getting
this, you know, download toshare with you.
And so what does that?
What comes through for you whenI do that, like you are allowed
to make your own meaning out ofit rather than me making

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meanings.
I hope I'm answering yourquestion and not getting too
sidetracked.
And it, yeah, I think thechallenges for me were this
early on in my practice.
Even though I was so clearabout how I wanted to practice
and I wanted to integrate thesetwo models of science and
spirituality, it still took someconfidence because, again, even
the timing of that, which is Istarted my practice more than a
decade ago, it wasn't normal.

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Nobody was out there doing thatand so just kind of my own
fears around.
Well, will this be accepted?
I put so much energy and effortinto learning this modality of
psychology right, thetraditional clinical practice of
it.
I put so much effort I don'twant to shoot myself in the foot
.
It was like there were somehangups that I had around what
other people would think aroundthat, and so I was probably

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cautious going into it my firstfew years.
Yeah, just not fully flying myspiritual flag out there, but
slowly what I found is thepeople and I believe there's an
energetic to this that is kindof magical and not a coincidence
is the people that would cometo see me, even though I wasn't
really broadcasting it in aliteral way to anyone, the

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people that would see me.
We would end up working in thatway, and so that became really
affirming to me that this is howpeople might want to heal and
this is how I actually prefersitting with people.
And so, you know, I just kindof gradually eased into that and
I there were different levelsand iterations of me integrating
this spiritual self into mypractice.
I would be lying if I said thatI did it like right from the

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get go, that I had all theconfidence in the world to do
that, because I mean, I hadfears financially around.
Oh my gosh, will this beaccepted?
Will I get clients?
Are they going to think I'mweird?
You know all of that.
So I think there was a way thatI integrated slowly, but it's
kind of like I allowed that partof myself to be seen, even if
it was in the privacy of asession, and then I saw reward
from that coming back, meaningthat it was valuable for the

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people that I was meeting with,and so so I just kind of allowed
myself to broadcast that evenmore and frankly, it's would be
impossible, right, I look backto even those early years when I
was in, you know, earlypractice of not showing that
full self, not showing my wholeself showing up in that way, and
I can't imagine going backthere, because I want to work

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with people who are aligned withthis work.
It's not for everybody, but Ifind get so much more energy and
value from the work that I dowhen I do it in a way that's
true to myself, and so I've justgotten better and better about
integrating that over time.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
And I think that's such an important message for
people in the healing space,because often we are the empaths
and we want to give everythingof ourselves to be able to
support people in that journey.
So I think that is just such abeautiful way to share how
you've integrated this practice,just slowly and gradually,
because at the end of the dayyou can give more when you have
that energetic capacity andyou're not coming from a place

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of burnout yourself or the needfor yourself to fix somebody
else, which again reallyempowers the patient in front of
you, knowing that it is purelytheir journey and you're just
there to hold space for that.
So that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, you're just there to create the container.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So yeah, beautiful.
Now I would love to know youdid touch on at the start that
this whole evolution did comefrom a little bit of your own
healing journey.
Do you find that, even as achild, that you always had this
intuitive gift, or is itsomething that experience and, I
guess, self reflection throughthese hard times has allowed you
to bring to light?

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How did that intuitive processcome about for you?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I really think it was something that, yes, I had it.
I think some of it can be atrauma response, right, where,
again, we take on ahypervigilance in a way of
tuning in, being able to attuneto our environment and to people
and situations, right, like wetake on those abilities kind of
as a trauma response.
It's like when did I need to beaware of what was going on with

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others and how did that serveme?
And so we can get really goodat it as young children.
Of course this is not anythingwe're consciously doing, but we
can get really good at it.
Some people, if they have reallychaotic households I didn't
have that particular dynamic inmy family of origin that it
wasn't too chaotic but there wascertainly attunement, even on a

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more refined level, to theemotional ups and downs of
people right In my household orthat I would be surrounded by,
and so I would attune to thatMostly, I would say with my mom,
like I could attune, if therewas a mood or there was
something going on that was ofservice to me to navigate life
differently, right.
Of course I wouldn't have beencautious that, but I think we

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just we move through life and sowe're able to have these gifts
where we attune and we might noteven be conscious of it, right,
it's like all of a sudden Iwould be feeling somebody's pain
or I have a pain in my.
You know, like before any ofthis deeper work that I got more
conscious of at all, I wouldfeel things or experience, but
we get further and further awayof our conscious knowing of that
.
We're just automatically doingthese things, right, and we're

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not sure what's happening and wedon't know what's who.
You know, is that me, is thatthem?
Like we're not even aware.
And then I think, when we startdiving in and reconnecting with
ourselves, we're able to noticeand differentiate.
Oh, that's their feeling, thatI, that's them, that I'm feeling
.
That's not me, right, I'm, thisis, this is who I am and this
is what my baseline is.
This is how I feel about thatthing, right, or whatever you

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know broadly trying to describeit.
I hope that does some justice.
And so I really think.
And then I also think that someamong us, you know, can just be
maybe more naturally intuitive,not that I'm with the highest
peak of all of that, but some ofus are really intuitive and so
able to tune in, and some of it,you know, probably becomes
blurry, like what of that is thecompensatory strategy, what of

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that is the hyper vigilance, andwhat of that is just kind of
our ability to know things thatwe couldn't.
That's a lot of my intuitionwill come from, like just a
knowing.
It's like I don't know why Iknow this, but I know it kind of
I was describing earlier.
I'll get a download ofsomething and I've learned to
trust if I'm having this thoughtor if this is dropping in for
me right now and it might seementirely random to me.

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There's like a knowing that Ihave about that that I would
just call pure intuition.
That isn't necessarily that I'm.
I mean, certainly we're.
I think we're always in anenergy exchange with everybody
and everything at all times,right, but it's certainly not me
being just so hyper vigilantthat I'm feeling what they're
feeling, but it's somecombination of both.
I don't know if you relate tothat, but all of that is to say

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that I think, at least in my ownjourney, and I find really
common that we will have thesegifts, good or bad, wherever the
source of them were, and thenwe go through our life and we
just become less and lessconscious and more automatic
until we consciously sit downand really try to understand, go
inward and try to understandourselves, and then, through

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understanding ourselves, we'reable to understand the world a
lot better and we're able toperceive.
And so I always think of it aslike a remembering, like how do
we remember where you know anyof this is coming from or who we
are?
We're remembering who we wereand we're coming back to that
rather than gathering new toolsand skills.
We're gathering moreconsciousness, I believe, but

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we're not necessarily learninganything new, especially when
it's coming from that reallyguided place and we're able to
differentiate.
Part of that consciousness, Iwould say, is we are able to
differentiate what is ahypervigilance and when is it
that I'm feeling your energy andthat's impacting my energy
field somehow, and when is itagain just this deep knowing.

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And also, you know, it's notreally my business to go around
walking around in the world,help hating anybody's energy
field, unless because I don'twant people doing that to me,
unless there has been kind of aconscious contract around doing
that, and so it benefits meright to create more of a filter
, especially those of us who aremore sensitive, and we're
absorbing information and dataall the time.

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I mean even this as apersonality trait.
We can think, oh well, we'reintroverted or we're shy or
we're you know, but really thatmight come from a protection of
like data overload, that you'resensory overload, that you're
getting right from thecollective, from certain
environments here in, and soit's really starting to
understand that so much of whowe think we are as an identity
or a personality might have comefrom some, you know, more

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primitive version of ourselvesthat needed to adapt in that way
, and so it's our adaptive childtaking on some of those
strategies.
And so listening and honoringthose messages that we get once
we get to know ourselves betteris really how I have done it in
my own life and I see otherpeople being successful in that
way.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I completely agree and from your experience of how
you receive this information Iresonate with deeply.
My partner finds it reallyfascinating because I come to
this place of knowing and Idon't know where it came from,
but it's unshakable certaintyand I know that it's not a
belief or it's not a thoughtthat I've come to, it's like a
full body.
Knowing is the only way I canexplain it and when it unfolds

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as truth in the material world,he's just.
He.
We just has learned to justaccept that.
He used to think that it wasjust crazy, but it's just.
I think the more I've had him inmy life to reflect when these
moments happen, it's allowed meto drop deeper into that trust
and that knowing as well.
But I think there's twocomponents to it.
I mean, I'm someone who hasalways hobbied in neuroscience

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and you look at those firstseven years of our life before
our brainwave comes into thatbeta state where we're
fluctuating and we go from Deltaand Alpha and you know that
child is making sense of theworld based on how the world
makes it feel.
It is very intuitive, it is afeeling process.
And then I think, once we startto come to that beta state
where we can rationalize andconceptualize and come a little

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bit more into the mind over theheart.
I think you really articulatedit very well as it is a
remembering.
It is remembering to come backto that guidance where we can
integrate our spiritual body andour physical body to really
guide us to the information.
You know you said some thingscame in as a compensatory
pattern as well and I found formyself, with having a little bit

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of a chaotic environment that Igrew up in it was safe for me
to hyper rationalize, hyperattuned to the environment, and
I do.
It is one thing that I'm verygrateful for in my journey,
because I think it has allowedme one to come to this
understanding of needing thescientific grounding, needing to
understand human behavior,needing to understand the, the

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neuroscience of it all.
And then I guess, through thatprocess, I think previously I
used to rationalize someone'sbehavior to a point that I would
accept it within my own life,and there's a difference between
seeing someone for theirjourney but then also having
personal boundaries for whatyou'll accept within your own
life as well.
And so I think, for a while,there on this journey, I was

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understanding and rationalizingtheir past life and how that's
reflecting in their behavior andthen making it okay for that
behavior to be in my life.
So then there's that, thatdiscernment as well, but I think
it, like you said, it has to bethat healing journey within
yourself, because it does alsotake it into another level,
where it's discerning thisfeeling that I'm feeling within

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my body.
Is this actually a trigger forsomething that's still unseen,
or is this actually an intuitiveguidance that's coming through
as well?
I mean, both could be intuitivein it's showing you that
there's something there to beseen.
But you know, sometimes when weget that gut feeling, it can be
a gut feeling because thesubconscious is drawing on a
past experience that may havebeen traumatic, but it might

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also be a gut feeling in thatit's just an intuitive.
You're picking up on the energyof that person and it does
genuinely feel unsafe.
So did you find through yourjourney where I guess you
reached a point where you couldtrust in the knowing that this
was receiving energy fromsomeone else or whether it was
triggered energy within yourself?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, I find a really good way to do that is to
listen, because we might getintuitive messages to your point
.
We might get intuitive messagesfrom, from or about, or we
might get those that aren'tnecessary.
You know they don't feel good,but it's, it's information
nonetheless.
And I think, if it comesthrough, of course, and also

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barring the fact that we are notactually in danger and so we
might be tapping into apotential danger, right, but.
But if we're not in danger, ifwe're having a nervous system
response to that where we'repanicking or we're getting into
fear or it's the, theinformation is coming through as
chaotic, right, rather thanjust kind of calm, like I could

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get a calm message that like,nope, that person's not safe or
don't go that way, or, you knownot, not a match or not a client
to work with, or what, I couldget a calm knowing about that,
and it still may not be apositive message, but I think
our intuition is is calmer, it'smore peaceful, it's kind of a
quiet whisper that comes throughthat isn't going to panic us or

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put us into a state of fear.
So if we're getting messagesthat are coming through in that
way, right, with this morefrenetic energy.
What I have found and I'm surethere are examples outside of
that, but what I found is reallylike okay, well, I have to look
at what inside of me istriggered by that.
If, again, I'm actually in aplace where I'm safe and there's
no threat, well then, why am Ireacting in that way?
Right, what am I picking up on?

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If it feels chaotic in that way?
But if it is just kind of likea consistent quiet whisper that
comes through, then I've learnedto really listen to that,
because that's what ourintuition sounds like.
I hope that answers yourquestion.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, no, it does beautifully.
I really love that.
Now I'm also wondering inclinical practice being
intuitively guided.
In clinical practice, you know,some people it's a feeling
within the body, Some peopleit's a visual download or it
might be a voice, kind of likean audible download.
How do you receive it whenyou're in clinical practice
working with somebody?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well for me.
I'm very kinesthetic and so Iwill oftentimes feel and I feel
like I've even gotten better atthat which is me kind of moving
through my own kind of traumaresponse, where and not that I
can't still get this, but I'lltell stories from early in my
practice it's like all of asudden I would be fine and 10
minutes before somebody getsthere, all of a sudden like I'm

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feeling anxious, which is notsomething like it's knowing your
own baseline, and so I couldphysically feel oftentimes kind
of ahead of time.
It's like I get a lot of timesthis signal that would come
through that before anybody evenwalked in my door.
I knew what energy they werewith and so I could feel it.
It was like it arrived earlyand because there was some

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contract to connect that,sometimes right, especially if
it's more intense feeling thatsomebody's having, I would like
sit with that feeling.
To me that's my hypervigilance,right.
That's my trauma response, it'sable to attune to that right.
It's like, okay, be prepared.
How I find that it happens nowin practice is I can still get

(26:33):
that, but if I'm going in,especially if I'm doing some
kind of subconscious or energywork with somebody or we're
doing a shamanic type journey,then I'll get literally
impressions that move around inmy body.
Sometimes that's a pain,sometimes that's a sensation,
sometimes that's a word thatdownloads.
So it's kind of I call ittracking the energy, because I

(26:55):
almost become like this vesselwhere I can receive data and I
can feel where they're feelingit, and sometimes they're
consciously feeling it and awareof it, and sometimes they're
not that attuned to themselvesyet.
But it's like it gives mealmost like a map of where we're
going to go with them and Idon't try to jump ahead.
It's not like I need to readthe whole map, but I'm just kind

(27:16):
of present with whatever thatis.
As long as I need to be presentto kind of hold space and
reflect it back to them so theycan get better at doing this
themselves right, and so that'swhat a lot of it will work.
And sometimes that comesthrough as visions.
Visions aren't my talk, LikeI'm again.
So I'm kinesthetic in that waythat I'll kind of get these
physical impressions of thingsor I'll know where the energy

(27:39):
might be stored in.
The trauma might be stored intheir body, but as soon as we
sit with that, then it willshift and now it's in another
place or something else iscoming through, and so what I
find is that just during asession like that, it's like the
energy is just moving around inthem and in me and I can see it
, and then by the time you'redone, it's there's relief and
something has lifted and you'refree from that right, and

(27:59):
they're free from it.
Most of all and I think thatcan also be and what I actually
happens.
I don't know if you experiencethis, but for me, I get
validation, which is actually aphysiological nervous system
response right, people who dosomatics and understand what you
know, polyvagal theory and allof this.
Like when we have relief in ournervous system, we yawn or we

(28:21):
burp or we'll sigh or we'll dothese things.
So when I'm working withsomebody and the energy is
tracking, I will getconfirmation.
Like I'll be yawning, like allof a sudden like you know if you
didn't know me and you didn'tknow, that's how it worked Like
all of a sudden I would just belike yawn after yawn, after yawn
after yawn, and that's becausewe're clearing energy in their

(28:42):
field.
So I'm just a reflection andthey may be yawning, they may
not be.
Sometimes it happens andsometimes it doesn't.
But for me, if that's a reallyclear message, like we're on the
right track, we're clearing theenergy, we're actually shifting
their nervous system, we'removing trauma, even though they
could be across the world, right, we don't have to be in the
same room, like all of that ishappening.

(29:02):
And I know, because I'm all of asudden yawning or burping or
sighing, or I'm having all ofthese kind of physiological
expressions which, again, weknow from all of these practices
are a resetting of the nervoussystem, right, we're coming back
to a baseline, and so I can'tdescribe it other than I just
know that that is what happensfor me, right, and so my people

(29:23):
who work with me know that, andso they're, you know.
But even still, I feel sillylike, oh, my gosh, yeah, I'm
just.
Yeah, we're moving a lot ofenergy.
We're moving a lot of energybecause I will literally just be
like yon after yon after yon,and it's hard, or all of a
sudden I'll have this big gulper, just something will happen
right In my physiology and itjust tells me that we're on
track and we're moving theenergy.
And so, again, people who workwith me really know that, and so

(29:43):
they're not thinking like, oh,I'm all of a sudden so tired in
their session.
No, I'm moving a lot of energy,which is beautiful, because when
it moves for them and I knowthat these are their messages
and these are, this is theirhealing that's happening in
their nervous system, but I feel, on a way, right, it creates
this beautiful space that thatshifts things for me as well.
So it's such a powerful giftthat if you're in sacred circle,

(30:06):
right, it's like we're allbenefiting from that, because
I'm shifting things in my ownsystem.
And then the other way thatI'll get is mostly a knowing,
right, it's like I'll just getdownloaded and I have no idea.
I might not even see the vision, but it's like something's just
been dropped into myconsciousness of, say, you know,
say this or you know, remind meof something in my own life.
And it's not that I'mdistracted or taken to another

(30:27):
place, but I'm like this is forthem.
I trust now that this whateveris coming through which, again,
for me is usually like a clearcognizance or clear sentience,
are my strongest too.
But sometimes I get visions,sometimes I hear things,
sometimes I'll, you know, feelthings outside of me, right,
that might be of other energiesand whatnot, and so I get that
and I'll use.
I'm just trusted that I willshare that right.

(30:50):
I want to share that so thatpeople can have access to.
If this is valuable to you,great.
If it's not, maybe it willresonate later.
Usually it resonates, though.
Usually it's like spot on, andso that's how that comes through
for me, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I love that.
Do you a question that's justcome up as you were speaking.
Do you think that thisintuitive guidance is something
that we all have, we've justforgotten and, I guess, being
conditioned away from?
Or do you think that thegreater consciousness was
created in a way that there arecertain people that I guess it

(31:27):
destined to be, those particularhealers or guides through the
human experience?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I think we all can have it, but I do think it's a
choice.
You know, there's probably lotsof ways that that expresses.
But I think when somebodyconsciously makes the effort to
peel away any of the adaptivestrategies that we have put in
place to not feel right I meanwe are so conditioned in our
society in general and ourcollective to numb and feel less

(31:54):
and less and less that itreally takes this effort.
I believe in some healingsetting in a meaningful way,
where we're going inward and weare peeling back all of that
conditioning that we have sothat we can actually feel again,
so that we can actually connectto our true self again.
And so when we do that nowwe've erased all of these

(32:15):
strategies that we're notserving us and we're not
allowing us to be fully aliveand fully expressed and fully
attuned to ourselves Right, andso now we know ourselves.
But then if we actually applyeven more consciousness to that,
understand this interplay ofthis relationship, not just with
self, which is important kindof initial place to create this

(32:38):
framework that we can access ourintuition from, then we can
kind of consciously create thisrelationship with everything
else.
Now, if I'm in tune with myself, I can't not be able to connect
to the energy of everythingelse in a more clear way, right,
in a way that's no longerfiltered or layered with just

(32:58):
whatever parts of our psycheright wouldn't allow us to see
clearly or access that right.
It's our own filter, and so Ithink when we do those things
and we're intentional to reallytap in and practice that and
learn to trust it and listen toit and have faith in that
ability that we all have, wellthen I think I mean that's
literally the work that I dowith people is connecting them

(33:21):
to that, and so the desire alone, I think, initiates a spark
that they can reconnect to thatin this meaningful way.
However, that is for them, andI also find that some of us have
more layers that it's harder toaccess.
So when we, for instance andthis is actually something that
I have struggled with myselfit's like I have really flexed

(33:44):
this intellectual muscle in mylife and have reward for that,
and so the more we go up in themind, the more disconnected we
are from our feelings and ourbody, and so people who are
extremely rigid or extremelyoverthinkers or places like
that's just in one example,although there might be many
people who are operating inthose ways can really feel hard

(34:06):
to access that because they haveto break down those strategies.
So some of us were nurtured,right, it's kind of like as a
young child.
You can imagine if you saw yourmom crying and you said, hey,
mom, what's the matter?
And she said, oh, nothing,nothing, right, like in those
moments.
They're micro moments, but inthose moments our intuition,
like what we see happening, whatwe trust, that we see, what we

(34:29):
know, what we're acknowledgingand speaking to, is being denied
.
And so if that denial doesn'thappen, if we have more
conscious parents who can helpus to integrate our own feelings
, and they celebrate that andthey don't deny our experience,
right, but they help walk usthrough, whether they're aware
of the impact that they'rehaving on our intuition in that

(34:51):
moment, consciously or not, it'sdeveloping this relationship
with ourself where I can, inthis container, say what I feel
and be witnessed for that andyou reflect back to me.
Oh, you're right, I am sad rightnow, right, rather than denying
that, which is where a lot ofour intuition will get shut down
.
And so some of us have moreprogramming around that than

(35:13):
others, right, Some of us arereally in family systems right,
that they're maybe that kind ofemotional self or that spiritual
self is more celebrated andthere is this relationship where
that can be talked about right,and when parents are in touch
with those parts of themselves,well then they can nurture in
their children.
So, and some of us have morework to do to deprogram and so

(35:35):
that can feel like it's harderto access, whereas some of some
people it's just easier becausefrom the get go that celebrated
right, they have nurtured intheir children some quality of
trusting what they say, trustingwhat they know and affirming
that to them in some way.
So I think that has a lot to dowith intuition as well.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
That's such a beautiful response, and it is
such a multi dimensionalconversation.
I think that was just a reallybeautiful point that you rounded
off with the example there of achild and a mother, because I
think, you know, it's only morerecent generations that are
actually starting to open tobeing OK with having emotional
responses, whereas prior to thatit would be, you know, got to

(36:16):
be ladylike.
We don't show anger, we don'tshow how we're feeling, or if
you're a man, you've got to suckit up and soldier on, and so I
think we're now moving into thegenerations where that's
accepted.
So I really appreciate yousharing that little insight as
well, especially for parents.
Now, in this present moment,having that awareness and a huge
message that I have foundthat's followed me through my

(36:38):
career evolution is theawareness, proceeds change, and
I guess if people have thisimage of what consciousness is
and it's this big expansive ideaof spirituality I think when we
come back to consciousness,really being present and
observing everything around,observing how we're feeling,
observing how we're respondingthat observer effect is almost

(37:00):
our consciousness, and so whenwe can be in the present moment,
observing how we're respondingin the present moment, it allows
us to be conscious andintentional with how we move
forward from that moment and onething that I do think is really
potent in that moment ofconsciousness and it is it is a
practice, like you said.
We've been so well practiced inbecoming unconscious and living

(37:21):
on autopilot that it reallydoes.
It does take time, just likeyou know, starting at a gym or
starting a meditation practice.
They have practices becausewe've got to repeat them until
we relearn.
But it's the episode before thisone.
Today we were speaking aboutnatural law and there are
certain laws around the law ofcorrespondence, the law of

(37:41):
vibration, the law of duality,and when we have a look at these
natural laws whilst we're alsobeing the observer, this is
where we can learn to reallyvalidate those intuitive
downloads, because we see thesymbolism in a lot of things
that come up in life and,whether it be a conversation we
were having in that episode, wascertain animals representative

(38:04):
of certain astrological planets,and so that carries with it a
certain energy, and if you'resitting in this moment of
refinement or you know needing amessage or guidance, and that
particular animal comes and sitswith us, it can be kind of
validation of that connection tospirit, and so we cannot access

(38:24):
those messages either withinour body or within our
environment.
If we're not living consciouslyin the present moment, if our
unconscious mind is living inthe past or anticipating the
future, we miss all of thesemoments that remind us how
magical this life experiencetruly is.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Well, it sounds like that's afabulous episode.
I need to go back and listen toit.
But yeah, I mean, I couldn'tagree more.
And even kind of circling backto the parents, and when that
gets adopted in the first place,it's like it might be coming
from a really well meaning place, but even still, it doesn't
allow us to access and buildthat relationship of trust with

(39:04):
ourselves, and so it's soimportant that we clear out that
filter internally so that wecan practice that, so that we
can get back into this place ofknowing.
You know, connect to theknowing being within, inside
ourselves, and then we canobserve these laws and it just
all clicks and it flows and itmakes sense and it's magnetic
and it's magical and all ofthese things, and there's also a

(39:26):
science to that that it reallyis beautiful.
So I love that.
I'll have to take a listen.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, drawing on thescience of that a lot of
research from the Heart MathInstitute it does really bring
science to this resonance thatwe all share.
If we can come to a place wherewe drop out of the mind and we
can create that coherent statebetween the heart and the brain,
they show that that resonanceis measurable at least three

(39:52):
feet radius around our body andit can actually influence the
rhythm of the heart of thepeople around us and more and
more research in that space isshowing that we can create
global coherence from that place.
It can be done virtually andthis is where science is only
just catching up to what we'vealready intuitively known, right

(40:12):
, Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I know I love some of these real thought leaders who
are putting that out.
I think Joe Dispenza does abeautiful job I've had the
privilege of doing someintensive retreats with him as
well and just that way that wecan connect and really
demonstrate that back to theworld that it's not just this
woo woo stuff, it's real, and Iknow I personally believe in

(40:38):
this.
Instead of being influenced byeverything, which is again where
these adaptive strategies mighthave come along, where we're
hyper vigilant because we'reattuning to the environment, I
would rather operate from thisplace, this like quiet gentle,
knowing that I can uplift thevibration of the environment by
being in it, because I'mcoherent inside myself.

(40:59):
And how do we uplift the worldand really raise the vibration
frequency?
Like that's the way to do it,that's the most potent way that
we can do it, rather than alwaysreacting and responding right
to the environment.
It's like, actually, how are wemost powerful at influencing
that?
And it's exactly the way thatyou just described beautifully.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And so how would you?
I guess it's going to be uniquedepending on where any
individual is at any given time,but are there any particular
tools that would help anindividual really tap into that
knowing for themselves?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Well, I think deciding right to your point,
like deciding this awareness isgoing to proceed, change, and so
deciding that you really wantto be aware of everything and
then be in this practice whereyou can slow down and take on
more and more awareness, becausethen we can integrate more of
that.
The way that I do it in mypractice is kind of what I was

(41:56):
describing.
If I'm holding a container withsomebody, then it really is
demonstrating for them trackingof this energy, and so don't try
to figure the whole thing outright now.
Right, if you try to put thewhole puzzle together and get to
the end of the map, you'regoing to get overwhelmed, you're
not going to understand it, andso it's really just step by

(42:17):
step, and for me, that is whenI'm working with people tracking
the energy, and so just gowhere you're most drawn, just
start there, like if somethingis speaking loudest, whether
that's a thought, whether that'sa sensation in the body,
whether that's an emotion, thenlet's dive into that fully and
we don't have to be worriedabout anything else or anywhere

(42:38):
else, anything else that mightalso be getting our attention.
Let's just go there Right.
And again, this is where, if Ican feel that.
It really kind of helps me,because if some people be so
numb that they can't even accessthat, so then I can guide them
to, okay, breathe through yourbody, reconnect, go inward, find
this still place and justnotice.
What do you notice?
How do you reconnect on themost basic sensory level?

(42:59):
And then how I do it right isjust being with that sorry,
there's a loud car driving by,apologize, probably like
blasting your earphones.
How I do it is then I justfully and present with whatever
that is that comes through first, and we I have no idea, they
have no idea what will emergefrom that, how long we need to

(43:20):
stay there and what is, you know, embedded right, imprinted in
that space.
I don't know.
Sometimes it's quick andsometimes you have to really sit
there and be with that for awhile and then, once you do that
fully and completely, then it'sjust okay.
Well, what are you aware of now?
What?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
are you?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
aware of.
Now it's like, oh, this idea, Ijust had a memory of this
person.
Or like, why am I thinking this?
Or I'm seeing this color or aWow, now I'm feeling this itch
on the bottom of my foot.
It could be seem like it's themost outrageous thing, but it's
just practice, at least how I doit, where it's just I call it
tracking the energy, and then,if I'm not present with each
step, not having an agendaaround how fast that needs to

(44:00):
unfold, if we're just at thevery first step, I promise you
something will emerge from that,and if nothing else, we are
just attuning to the ability todo that.
And sometimes that's wherepeople start right, and there's
no like where people start or nojudgment about that.
It's just really the the beautythat they're wanting to
initiate this process.
And so then we get better atlistening again, at being with

(44:22):
what it is that we've tried tosuppress, and so it's unhealed
inside of us, it's unresolved,whether we consciously did that
or not, which is not usually thecase that we're consciously
saying, well, let me just pushthat down.
But sometimes that's the caseright, and we're present with
whatever that is in a way thatit really gets to express itself
fully and then usually that'sit right, we don't have to worry

(44:42):
about that anymore, we don'thave to feel maybe there's more
information to explore but nowwe're on to whatever the next
sensation is, that's comingthrough and then we're just with
that fully, and then we justkeep going until you reach the
bottom and there will be someshift or some relief and there's
just a beautiful.
I love when I'm working withpeople having even longer
sessions to do that, because Idon't want this rush or like, oh

(45:05):
well, we got to go.
What tend to be most popular ispeople who really want to book
longer sessions and dive in,because they know this process
of tracking the energy can getdeep and sometimes it goes on
all of these directions, and sobeing able to be fully present
with that is a gift.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I love the way that you've just shared that and I
will just share as well formyself personally.
You know what your resistpersists and so for myself, I
could never drop in withhypnosis.
I mean, I'd even traveled toSouth America and took ayahuasca
and everyone around me wasexperiencing the medicine and I
sat numb to the potency of it,yawning, absolutely yawning.

(45:45):
So there was definitely energyshifting, but that was the
extent of what I could feel fromthe medicine and I think a lot
of it had to be a lot ofintrospection and inquisition.
I had to recognize some of thethings that came out of my mouth
or some of the things that Ifelt when certain things
happened around me.
I started to question whatbelief I had around it and where

(46:07):
that belief came from.
And I started to recognizesometimes that particular belief
was perhaps someone else's, itwas something that I had
inherited from my parents orfrom an experience.
Sometimes the belief was validat one season of life, perhaps
as a child.
The way we're seeing through adifferent lens and it's now
redundant information becauseI'm a little wiser but often we

(46:30):
still live in this practiced wayto that initial belief, even
though we no longer believe thatto be true.
And so it really was for myself, peeling back the layers of the
onion.
Is this true?
Is it true for me?
And again, that choice, do Iwant to choose for this to
continue to be my truth, movingforward in the next moment?
And I think when we do, Ialways say a statement closes

(46:52):
the mind and a question opensthe opportunity.
And when we start asking whatis that, what is underneath
there, how do I want to feel andhow am I feeling and what's
there, I think that was reallypowerful.
And I think, for myself, withall of this emotional numbing,
where I was leading to with whatyou resist persists, is that
when I actually found in my 30s,where I came into the most

(47:15):
beautiful relationship, intimaterelationship with a man who is
very strongly in a healthymasculine energy, up until that
point I had to embody themasculine energy myself to be
able to keep myself safe.
And so I was veryintellectually driven, I was
very hyper stimulated, mynervous system was always on the
go and, you know, even I lookat the way that I trained in my

(47:38):
day to day life, the way I justkind of stimulated my body in
every essence of it.
I couldn't turn off.
And then I met this beautifulman that allowed me to feel safe
, to soften.
I felt safe to, and it wasn't aconscious thing that happened.
But I felt safe to come intothat feminine energy and what
was really quite interesting isthat, despite years of punishing

(47:58):
my body, with it was justalways this really destructive
way of living and neverexpressing any consequence to
that.
I couldn't understand for thefirst year how come now I live
at a slower pace, I'm a muchmore still and restorative
practice that all of this painis emerging in my body and I
actually had come to a pointwhere I was getting MRI scans

(48:20):
for MS.
At one point the doctors justcouldn't figure out what was
happening.
I was getting loss of sensation,loss of feeling in the limbs,
extreme pain that would move upmy spine, and I kept saying to
my partner I know that this isemotional stuff and although
I've done NLP and I've got thetools, I need support from a
practitioner to hold me throughthis that I can actually trust

(48:43):
and feel safe to release these,this armor that I've been
carrying.
And it was through working withthe psychotherapist that I
started to recognize that all ofthis emotion laid frozen in
time and it was, as you say,shifting, becoming aware of
where that energy is stored andwithout a model of expression,
that energy has started tobecome denser and denser until

(49:05):
it becomes material form andonce it defrosted through
softening, it's you know, allcome about and it really is.
I think it's trusting theprocess and knowing that there's
always lessons in all of thisto come back to, when I think
it's really empowering meetingpeople like yourself who can
hold that space and allow peopleto see that that physical

(49:28):
expression.
It is the what we're seeingtoday in our expression or our
presentation.
It's not necessarily what'shappening today.
It's the manifestation of thatenergy that had no outlet to
move right.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Right, I love your story.
It sounds like you're in abeautiful, wonderful place, but
it's so true, right, we can getinto a safe container,
especially in intimatepartnership, right.
I had a similar story, notexactly the same, but with my
own health journey right, whereI'm well and even helping people
in all of these ways mentally,spiritually, emotionally I was

(50:03):
pretty good, but physically theexpression of the way that that
density was now kind ofprocessing through my body as
disease was really really hardand I had to keep that armor up,
also masculine, for a long time.
And really I think the only waywe can truly surrender into
that is to be an intimatepartnership right.

(50:24):
We can have, even with you, youknow, to find somebody that can
really hold that container forus, that we can soften and feel
safe.
And then what can happen isthis spike can happen, right In
terms of our symptomology, wherewe finally feel safe and so
everything.
It's like the floodgates areopen and it's expressing and
we're feeling things that wehadn't ever felt.

(50:45):
And that's not an indication ofanything being wrong in that
partner shaker, in thatcontainer, but the opposite,
right, I'm finally safe enoughto fully express this and then
it can move out and really itdoesn't have to function as
disease and the physical bodyHowever that expresses itself,

(51:05):
although it can often be quiteextreme.
But to have a safe container toreally like surrender into,
where we can feel that there isnothing.
I always tell people that, likeyour work you do with me.
If you're not partnered or ifyou are moving through healing
your partnership or whatnot,like the, that last leg you will
do with your partner.

(51:26):
And so you know, be wise, bemindful about that really kind
of choose.
But the body knows, right, itwill know when it's not in that
space, when it can't fullysurrender, and so I love hearing
that.
It's a beautiful, it's abeautiful specific example that
I bet a lot of people can relateto I know I personally can
where it's like, oh, I canreally finally surrender and
then it can move.

(51:46):
It doesn't.
You don't, don't be afraid it'sgoing to be there forever,
because if you give way to thatright and a lot of what you were
talking about so many times,it's the control that the mind
has gotten so powerful, right tonot really surrendering, even
when you're taking, you know,plant medicine or even when
you're under hypnosis is like wecan all access that.
But imagine how powerful thatmechanism of control had to be

(52:07):
to keep you safe, to keep youalert, to not surrender that.
No wonder it had to comethrough in such an intense
experience.
For you, right, the avoidanceand then the surrender, it's
like makes all the sense in theworld that that would come
through so intensely Becausethat mechanism that you had
adopted long ago whenever youneeded that sounds like in your
childhood had to you know itreally had to feel safe, not to

(52:32):
operate in the same way anylonger.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
And it was very interesting.
You know it was the reverseorder of healing, where it was
emotional numbness, right thesuppression, and the first
expression of the physical worldhealing journey was loss of
feeling in my hands, in my limbs, it was total numbness and then
, as I started to become awareand do the work, it shifted from
the numbness to the pain and soI now no longer lose feeling in

(52:57):
my limbs, but now it's kind ofshifted to pain and now that's
slowly working through anddisappearing and so it's, as
they say, as above so below.
So it's really, really potent,I think, to question these
elements of the physical and theunseen as well.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah, and it's the densest, I mean, for me that I
can just kind of live in thiskind of ethereal world, that I'm
very content there.
But this wrestling with my bodyand the pain that I'll feel and
the intensity of how that cancome through is which, for me,
was autoimmune disorder andmigraines, and so the intensity

(53:36):
of I'm just like man I don'tknow that everybody else is
experiencing the world isintensely right and you just
want that to go.
But when you can really acceptit and be with it, I mean that
definitely has been the last legof my journey that is
tremendously healed at thispoint, but not all the way gone.
I still, you know, I'm inpractice just being with that.
It sounds like similar to you,which can be really hard.

(53:58):
Right, but if we look at allthe layers are being in this way
and we can examine, well, whatis the source, what layer is it
that we're getting kind of hungup on, what layer has not been
attended to or what layer is themost resistant, then we can
start to have shifts in this.
And so I'm so happy to hearthat you've had this beautiful
experience and I hope you moveswiftly through with the pain

(54:19):
and that that isn't too heavy onyou for too long.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Oh, thank you.
I think you've really given areally grounded understanding of
this mystic process that youbring into your clinical
practice, and I really do hopethat it has.
Perhaps that this is newinformation for some people,
that it has planted that seedfor exploration.
I would love to know one thingthat I ask all of my guests is

(54:43):
if you could pose a question toour audience, a question that
they can ask themselves.
That may be the difference thatmakes the difference in their
journey.
What question would youencourage everyone to sit on?
Hmm?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Great question, something along the lines of if
you imagine the life, this thing, this destination that you want
to get, this feeling that youwant to have, and you almost
kind of like reverse engineerthat, because you really tap
into what you imagine you'reseeking or striving for, what
you desire, and then if youcould look at those things and

(55:17):
then reverse engineer and ask,how am I showing up as the
barrier to me having that?
What is it that I'm doing ornot doing?
How am I the barrier to havingexactly what it is that I
imagine my life to be, thatsometimes we can feel like, well
, I'm not, I'm still seeking,I'm not yet there.

(55:39):
Like how can I look in thisvery moment, imagining where it
is that I'm trying to go and beso mindful and clear about that?
And then what is it in my liferight at this moment that is the
barrier to me having that?
Is it some effort I'm notmaking?
Is it some healing?
Is it some emotional hurt?
Is it some trauma from justreally sit with that and examine

(56:00):
and you know not that that'sinventing the wheel but really
ask how am I the barrier to that?
Because I also fully believethat all true healing, this
process of healing that we're,that we're always on, is always
about personal responsibility.
So it's not about lookingoutward and, you know, blaming
or finding all the whys, right,but it's really about looking

(56:24):
inward and owning completely theresponsibility, taking the
responsibility for our ownjourney.
And are the things that I thinkI want?
Do I really want them?
Is that why they're notmanifesting in my life?
Am I somehow the barrier tothat, achieving this virtue and
value that I hold for myself?

(56:45):
That, I imagine, is this ideallife that I'm going to have.
And so if you're not there, ifyou're not integrated and
embodied in that yet, then howdo you look and just be really
honest and real with yourself athow you're not contributing to
that which can be in any layerright, it could be.
With our physical health, itcould be.
Hey, I want a partner, I wantmoney or I want whatever it is

(57:07):
that you want, right, that youimagine is going to give you
something.
How is it that you'recontributing to the distance
that still exists there?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I love, I love that question.
It's a question that I wishsomeone had asked me many, many
years ago, but it's somethingthat's so potent because the
fact that we can see it in ourmind tells us that it is there
in the quantum field, and so wedo have to introspect on why

(57:37):
it's not in our life.
And a lot of people use soright in, are so quick to say
it's because I don't have themoney, or it's because this
person's done this, or there's athing outside of them stopping
them.
And I think that's a reallybeautiful answer that aligns so
much with my message, which ispersonal responsibility through
life and life experience, and Ido believe that word

(57:59):
responsibility in itself is ourability to respond right.
So I think having that questionturned back on us, where we can
really challenge new ways ofthinking and feeling into how
we're showing up and questioningthat, I think that's really
powerful.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Well, I actually believe that, at all times,
every single one of us ismanifesting, but are we manifest
what it is we truly desire?
So, are we manifesting in aconsciously powerful way right,
that's delivering us the lifethat we want or are we
manifesting exactly what it isthat's sitting dormant inside of
us as a wound, as a injury, asa hurt, as a victim,

(58:40):
consciousness, as something likethat?
So I think that everything ishappening through us at all
times, and so to reallyunderstand that is important and
even a more simplistic all.
Turning back to the questionpiece, which may be an easier,
simpler way of saying this, I'lloften ask people if they say
they want something.
You would be amazed at how manytimes I would ask them have you

(59:03):
ever envisioned, can youactually imagine having that?
Can you imagine having that?
And if it's again whatever fillin the blank, a partner or
whatever their dream might beright, can you actually imagine
what that would look like?
And so often the answer is no.
And so if you can't evenenvision your life with the

(59:23):
thing that you want, then howwould you ever close the space
between you and that thing?
It would be impossible.
And so how do we open up rightwhich, again, this other
question might help to do andunderstanding that at all times,
we are manifesting.
It's just.
Are you manifesting, generatingfrom your life the aspects that
you truly desire, and doing soconsciously, or are you not?

(59:44):
Are you doing the opposite ofthat, which just draws more of
everything that you may feellike you are enduring or
suffering around towards you?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
And so, yeah, so well said, so well said.
This has been such a beautifulconversation.
Casey, I feel like you and Icould just chat for days on all
of these topics of spiritualityand quantum, and it's just
beautiful.
If any of my audience wanted tolook into your work or work
with you, how can they find you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, so I work with people all over the world and I
really want to work with AlarmSouls.
If it resonates, you can goonto my website, which is
shrinkfigurecom, and I have freemeditations and things.
You can read more about me.
There's lots of other thingsthat I've spoken on, podcasts
and things that you can accessand just get a feel for if it
feels right, because ultimately,that feeling is going to give

(01:00:35):
you a lot of information, and so, if it feels right to reach out
, if I could hold a containerfor you, I'd be happy to do so.
I'm also on Instagram atshrinkfigurecom, that's
beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
I'll make sure all of those links are in the show
notes so people can come andfind you.
And is there a parting messageyou'd love to leave the audience
with before we close oursession?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Oh gosh, just an invitation to go inward, Like
the investment in ourselves.
There's no better investment.
And so just spending time, evenif that's on your own kind of
solitary, in your own solitaryway, diving in and really
setting that intention to trulyconnect to yourself and to
connect to your knowing beinginside, then you won't regret it

(01:01:15):
.
There's no better way to befully alive and experience this
life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Oh, Casey, thank you so much for your time today.
It truly has been a beautifulchat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Likewise, it's been so great being in your energy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Thanks for listening.
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