November 7, 2025 • 35 mins
A Florida beach meltdown, a nationwide cloud outage, and a truly awful Halloween costume walk into a workplace. What sounds like a joke turns into a sharp look at how culture, tech, and judgment collide where people get paid and policies get real. We return from a short break with fresh stories and hard lessons: how a single AWS failure rippled into payroll panic, why “it’s just a costume” can become a harassment case, and what classic scenes from The Office still teach us about influence, uncertainty, and keeping teams steady when the headlines aren’t.
We share candid travel moments that morph into a discussion about public decency and liability, then pivot to an organizational behavior assignment featuring Michael Scott’s surprising competence and Jim’s cooler strategy. The contrast sets up a bigger point about leadership: sometimes you stabilize by dialing in the work; other times you intentionally break the tension. Knowing which move to make is culture management in action.
From there, we unpack real HR mechanics. Outages expose how reliant we are on a handful of cloud rails and how unglamorous continuity planning saves actual paychecks. We talk tokenized mobile payments, vendor dependencies, communication trees, and the simple power of a backup plan. On the talent side, we challenge a common salary myth: it’s not that people never negotiate, it’s that strong recruiters pre‑close early. We walk through pay ranges, must‑have trade‑offs, and how clearer expectations prevent messy last‑minute asks that sour the relationship before day one.
Finally, we lean into the Halloween talk: blackface is never okay, “terrorist” costumes are unacceptable, and sexualized gags at the office invite risk. If you want festive without fallout, set guardrails that are simple, inclusive, and enforced. We keep it snarky, but the aim is practical—help you avoid the next viral moment and build a team that can laugh without crossing lines.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Welcome to our little Facebook.
Welcome to JR.
SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Welcome to JadedHR, the podcast by two HR
professionals who want to helpyou get through the workday by
saying everything you'rethinking, but say it out loud.
I'm Warren.
SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
I'm SCP.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
And we've been gone for a little while.
Yeah.
We were trying to do maybe aHalloween-themed episode last
time, but the AWS server wentdown, which made me have an exam
that was rescheduled to the nextto the day we normally record.
So life and every universe andeverything got in the way.
So no Halloween episode.
(01:19):
I hope everybody enjoyed thatone from season one.
And it's funny listening tothink episodes from season one
because you we improved or overover the years.
That one is one.
It was a fine episode.
Vintage.
It's vintage, yeah.
(01:40):
So it and it we talk aboutCOVID, you know, and things like
that.
And you know, it's not it's not,you know, 2020 when everything
started, so the podcasting COVIDand everything.
So we hope you all survivedHalloween and don't have any
traumatic experiences to worryabout after after uh dealing
with that.
(02:00):
We have a couple stories aboutsome people who might have had
some traumatic extor uhexperiences over Halloween.
So how how how was your yourmonth off from J Did HR?
SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
It was it was good.
I was like, I feel like I'vebeen so busy, but also like at
the same time, it's just mundanestuff that it's nothing
exciting.
It's not like excited busy, it'sjust boring busy.
But I'm exhausted.
I'm just like what is it?
(02:34):
We were just doing we weretalking offline about me doing
performance evaluations now.
So it's not performanceevaluations, it's talent
calibrations, but just kind ofworking on that right now at
work, and then also just youknow, life stuff.
I'm I'm tired.
I need a nap.
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Oh we're in we're still.
SPEAKER_03 (02:52):
Although, wait, I like completely forgot.
This is way more interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
Scratch everything I just said.
I don't deserve some time offbecause I actually went to Fort
Lauderdale on a girl's trip.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
Oh.
Well, that sounds fun.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
So, yeah, so I went to Fort Lauderdale with a few
girlfriends of mine, and it wasfantastic.
We just hung out by the pool.
Although we were starting to getthe bands of the hurricane
Melissa.
SPEAKER_04 (03:23):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
So it was just like really windy, but the weather
was gorgeous otherwise.
And yeah, it was great and intrue Florida fashion, we did see
a Florida man sighting.
Oh, okay.
So I have to share this becausethis is like the best thing.
It it made the trip.
I'm at me and one of my friendsis at the bar at the hotel
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across the street from thebeach, and then our other two
friends were sitting on thebeach, and one of them texts us
and says, Hey, like apparentlythere's a guy who is making snow
angels in the sand.
And now I guess the lifeguardscame over just to check on him
to see how he was doing.
(04:08):
He then proceeded to throw thesand, and then at some point,
this is when me and my friendimmediately got up.
He decided to take his trunksoff, and that is and then
proceed to make snow angels withhis trunks off.
And like immediately a minuteafter we just saw like it was
(04:30):
overkill, it was like six policeofficers just come into the
beach to grab this person.
But yeah, we immediately likewent to go just kind of see what
was going on.
And I gotta be honest, we wereat the wrong place at the wrong
time because we just sawstraight up the runway.
Like, like as we were on thesidewalk, we we just turned to
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walk toward there, and they wereputting the guy in the police
car, and uh, we just we saweverything whether we wanted to
or not.
SPEAKER_00 (04:59):
Florida man, love it.
I haven't had a uh a Florida manstory in quite a while.
SPEAKER_03 (05:04):
Wow, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
But well, I'm glad the rest of the trip was fun,
and that probably made theyou'll have a story forever.
SPEAKER_03 (05:12):
So good.
I'm from South Floridaoriginally, and as soon as that
happened, and I was so happybecause I was there with my
friends who, you know, they'refrom the Midwest, and I was
like, You I'm so happy you gotto have your first Florida man
experience with me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Oh man, that that's nude.
Yeah, that's this is not a nudebeach in Port Lauderdale, I'm
sure.
SPEAKER_04 (05:38):
It is not.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
So well, you know, I've been run going through the
ringer with school, but my nextassignment that is due next
week, I haven't started yet.
I have to watch two off episodesof the office and talk about
some organizational behaviorimplications of it.
I don't even know which episodesit is.
I just read the description.
I haven't even looked at it.
It's it's interactions betweenapparently because I have to
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answer questions about whatMichael Scott does and his
approach to something, and thenhow Jim reacts and his approach
to something.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
Oh, I guarantee you I knew which I know exactly what
episode it is.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
Okay, I'll I I I just read the instructions.
SPEAKER_03 (06:18):
I guarantee you it's the co-manager episode where
they're both managers.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:23):
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I take that back.
It's not that.
It's gonna be the one where theyare co-managers, but the stock
market or the news is reportingthat Dunder Mifflin is like
going under and blah, blah,blah.
And like Jim is all about likekeep your heads down and keep
working.
And then Michael does the dinnerpart, the murder mystery to keep
people's minds off of it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
Okay, you've got me to the point now.
I'm gonna log in and see what isOh, this is exciting.
Is the reveal.
Hold on.
Two-factor authentication forfreaking everything.
SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
Everything.
That's funny.
I want to see if I'm right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
So clip one, here we go.
I don't know if you're gonna beable to hear this or not.
The Chili's meeting.
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
Oh, that's such a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
So I don't know.
Uh it's three minutes, so I'mnot gonna go into the Can you
hear it?
SPEAKER_03 (07:14):
No, but I I know I've seen this so many times in
my head.
I I love that one because it'swhen you finally see Michael
being a competent salesperson,because he he just turned it on
and he like.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
He knew how to try turn it on.
Okay, let's see.
SPEAKER_03 (07:33):
Oh, the David Wallace negotiation.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
Yeah.
Very nice.
SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
Again, Michael knows how to turn it on.
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Well, this one, this clip I think is regarding Jim,
if I remember the questions.
I I didn't I just breezed by theassignment when I logged into
it.
But yeah, it it's gonna beinteresting.
So I I'm looking forward to anassignment that I can actually
enjoy.
So that'll be that'll besomething fun with it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:59):
You know, you mentioned that AWS outage a
little bit ago that affected youand your school's LMS and
everything.
I didn't realize how much AWSwas intertwined with everything.
Because I felt like I mean, thisis just a silly example, but I
just went to go order Starbucksfrom the Starbucks app and that
(08:21):
was down.
And I'm like, what?
Like, I didn't realize that AWShas their hands in so much.
SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
Yeah, I I think it's like like 25% of the entire
internet traffic is goes throughAWS at some point.
And now it was only their EastCoast stuff that was down, so I
don't know if the folks inCalifornia were affected like we
were, but my wife was havingconniptions because it was a
payroll Monday, and ADP usesAWS.
(08:48):
And uh so Tuesday she wasworking till like midnight to
get everybody paid and stufflike that, and she was like,
she's like, I I can't, she hadto, you know, everybody's there,
they're sort of doing what theycan, but there's not much you
can do without ADP and andthey're at that point, and uh
yeah, it was very, veryinteresting, uh hectic time.
(09:11):
So it was yeah, it it it makesyou wonder what it that's only
one service.
If all the internet went down orsomething like that, it would
just how we we'd be back tosticks and stones.
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
Um, so not HI-related, but there was a very
short-lived show calledRevolution that talked about
just that like the power gridand everything just went out in
the US.
And it's kind of how the US hadto like reform a government and
like it just never came back.
And unfortunately, I think theshow got canceled before we ever
(09:44):
got real answers.
Great show, but yeah, like I Ilike you saying that, I'm like,
oh, we would we would be wewould be done.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
Yeah.
And I think especially theyounger generations, the the
zoomers and the alphas, theythey would be just well, god uh
what what's life withoutinternet or anything like that?
SPEAKER_03 (10:06):
You know, uh it it's just it's just like who even
carries cash anymore?
SPEAKER_00 (10:10):
Like if everything goes down, like I never have
cash, and it's it's actuallybeen a problem a few times
because uh I n I'm reallygetting a great habit of paying
with my phone, just tap, go.
You know, if whether you useApple Pay or Google Pay or
Samsung Pay tapping with yourphone, it I've been told it's
(10:30):
the most secure way because onlya token, a one used one-time
used token gets transmitted, andso your account information is
safe even from skimmers and andthings like that.
So that's what I've been told.
I'm not an IT person, but I've Ibought in, so I I use it almost
all the all the time foreverything.
So yeah, that's that'sinteresting.
(10:51):
So but let's let's circle backto Halloween a little.
We had a listener who's also aformer co-host by the name of
Feather sent me an article fromDavid Micklas about some
inappropriate Halloweencostumes.
And I think these must have beenfrom last year, as they were,
you know, uh, but they'rethey're still funny.
(11:12):
Well, of course, you have yourstereotypical David Miklas made
a total of three posts last weekabout inappropriate Halloween
costumes.
The first one he posted was yourstereotypical blackface.
I'm like, really, people?
SPEAKER_03 (11:26):
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
You deserve whatever comes your way after Can I tell
you a funny story?
SPEAKER_03 (11:32):
Okay.
Years ago, like years ago, wewere invited by someone to go to
like another person's Halloweenparty, and I was like, we didn't
really know the other people,but it was like a big Halloween
party, and we get there andthere's like a shit ton of
people, and the hostess and herhusband come out, and the
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husband is dressed in blackfacebecause he was Kevin Hart, and I
was just like, like, it was justlike if blinks could talk, like
I was just like blink, blink,blink.
And anyway, I then I likeeveryone was taking pictures at
the party, and I was like, evento Kevin, I'm like, Kevin, do
not get next to him, he's inblackface, the internet is
(12:13):
forever.
SPEAKER_00 (12:14):
Yeah, the internet is forever.
I I I would hope to removemyself from that situation.
SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
But that's crazy.
That's that's an insane choice.
That is an insane choice tomake.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
And then there's pose smiling, and you know it's
going on Instagram or Facebook,whatever your favorite social
media channel is, it's goingthere.
Well, person number two, thecaption reads Dude shows up at a
company Halloween party dressedas a terrorist.
And oh I'm gonna share this withyou again because I didn't you
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didn't read the whole messagehere, as we talked about.
SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
I was gonna say, I saw the the photo wasn't great.
Like so it's not great.
Uh it's not a good look, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
The employee was quoted as saying, I thought
people I worked with were funand cool, but I guess they're
far from it.
Looks like I learned my lesson.
SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Now dressed as a terrorist.
Yeah, like with a suicide vest.
SPEAKER_03 (13:12):
The suicide vest.
But he like the the kickers,it's again, is this a company
part?
I I'm so confused about thecompany situation because he's
it's the wiring is like Jaegerbottles and red bullshit.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Red bulls, yes.
I love that that part I love.
unknown (13:30):
That part.
SPEAKER_03 (13:31):
Like the creativity is there, but I'm like, at the
at at the company party,although I will say, like, I
have not had a a Jaeger Red Bullin in years, and I feel like if
I were to do so now, that wouldtake me out.
SPEAKER_00 (13:46):
So oh I I love me some Jaegermeister, and people
around me know it.
If you want to get worn stupidreal quick, give them some
Jaegermeisters.
So inappropriate costume numbernumber three.
This this young woman is dressedas a spice rack, and she has
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taped spices across her rack.
Classy.
And she's the picture, unlikeother uh the other two pictures,
they look like they're takenfrom this, looks like it was
taken in the office, maybe.
I see some wheelie chairs andthings like that.
Oh, yeah, those are cubicles.
Those are cubicles and wheeliechairs, and I'm like, okay.
(14:29):
Like poor judgment at at thevery minimum, and just asking to
be harassed and touch, oh I needsome, you know, all spice today
and reach.
Whoops, what did I grab and soit's just so uncomfortable?
SPEAKER_03 (14:44):
Like you're you're coming to work just being like,
look at my breasts and look atmy rack.
It's just weird.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
Exactly.
The only intention behind thatis look at my rack.
Exactly.
So I I thought I thought thatwas that was kind of funny.
Well, actually, let me go beforeI go.
SPEAKER_03 (15:04):
What's wrong with a with an adult size onesie of a
fun cartoon character or a teddybear?
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Well, I dressed up for Halloween and didn't get the
reaction I was looking for.
A lot of people didn't recognizewho I am.
So I'm gonna uh I'm am I sharingmy screen?
No.
I'm gonna share with you in onesecond this picture and tell me
how long it takes you to figureout who I am.
SPEAKER_03 (15:44):
I don't know.
Breaking bad Heisenberg.
SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Heisenberg from Breaking Bad.
SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
I thought I had like the killer.
I thought I had the killercostume.
People on Facebook knew how Iwas, and but yeah, I I failed
there.
So I thought I and we're talkingmy wife hates how many costumes
I have, so this one's probablynot gonna come out too much
more, but part of my our formertailgating crew, we we dressed
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up for most tailgates.
We had a theme, a lot of themwere cultural misappropriation,
like Octuba Fest.
We'd all would dress in laterhosen and stuff.
We would have Taco Tailgatewhere we like I have a giant
sombrero and a serapha.
It's purple and gold.
And what else we've done?
Oh, we didn't pirate.
(16:37):
So I've got I've got morecostumes than most people
probably ever have.
So I I even, if you could see, Idyed my or put some, I put okay,
my wife's gonna get mad at this,but she doesn't listen.
I put some of her root the stuffshe uses to touch up her roots,
I put in my beard to get it fromwhite to uh let's see, I to get
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it from white to brown again.
That's funny.
Uh yeah, anyways.
But yeah, that was that wasHalloween.
I had fun.
We had a good time.
There were some, you know, ourat my work nobody dressed
inappropriately.
But I do remember once upon atime I worked somewhere and we
had somebody who was wearinglike I don't know if they were a
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fairy or pixie or something likethat, but it was like a tutu.
That was tutu too too short, andtheir whole ass was hanging out.
Now they were wearing tights,but uh you know, not work
appropriate.
Like, yeah, you didn't thinkthis one through too much, did
you?
But yeah, peep people are crazyout there.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
Yeah.
We just I mean, I you know, Iwork from home, so it's just me,
so I did not dress up, but wedid take the baby out, and she
we dressed as Jurassic Park, andwe took her around.
She was our dinosaur, and wewere what is it, the two main
characters.
But yeah, so we did that, and wehad like the stroller.
That was her encade like herenclosure.
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We put some like signs on itthat was like beware of dino,
stuff like that.
So it was good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
It was good.
Those were cute pics out there.
So yeah, that's the one thing Ikind of miss about the kids
because when they would gotrick-or-treating, they had to
pay the candy tax, and so Iwould get to go through and take
my fair share first.
And most of the time I wouldtake the thing, like I love, I
mentioned I like Jaegermeister,I like black licorice.
I'm the only one in my family,so if they got dots or something
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like that, here dad, take it.
I like a lot of things the kidsdidn't like.
Crows, crows and dots.
Crows were the black licoriceone and dots were the
multi-flavored gummies.
SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
Like the multi-flavored ones, the dots.
Those are those are underrated.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
They'll pull a filling out in no time flat.
SPEAKER_03 (18:49):
So, like our neighborhood, I don't know what
it is.
It was, I feel like the last fewyears we've been here, it's
rained every Halloween, and thisfeels like the first Halloween
in years where we've hadbeautiful weather.
So we went up to our friend'shouse in the neighborhood, and
they their street was jamming.
Like, I feel like I felt verynostalgic because I felt like it
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was just pure and utter chaos.
It was like 1980s, 1990s chaoson Sugar High, and it was so
much fun.
Like people were it was likes'more stations and like all
that kind of like people gotinto it, and she loved it.
Like a bean was just running upand down the sidewalk.
So she didn't know what wasgoing on at all, but she just
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saw so many people and she wasjust like running up and down
the sidewalk.
She oh, it was so much fun.
SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
Did anything scare her?
Did any costumes scare her, oris she not at that age where
things quite scare her yet?
SPEAKER_03 (19:45):
No, but to be honest, there weren't like scary
costumes.
Okay.
Like, yeah, there weren't any.
We did have a neighbor who builta haunted house down the street,
so we went down there.
We didn't go in the house, butthere was a loud sound and it
like freaked her out.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
So yeah, we got uh I was telling you, we got one
whopping uh trick-or-treater,but I I live in a house a
neighborhood with 13 houses, andyou know, I'm in my 50s, I'm the
second youngest uh of ourfamily's the second youngest
here, and everybody else isretirees, pretty much.
But uh the only couple that'syounger, they have like a
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three-year-old, and he came byand we just dumped our we bought
a bag of candy.
We just you're the only one wedumped a whole bag.
He grabbed, I I hold out thebucket and uh he just takes one.
I said, Oh, you can take more,and he took one more, and I just
took the whole thing.
I dumped it in his bag, likehappy Halloween.
Because we bought a bigger bagthere, a haribo mix bag of gummy
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bears and all sorts of stuff wewe bought, and my wife and I ate
way too many of it.
We're like, you know, of course,you know, you buy more and we
knew we were gonna need it.
I was like, I can just stop at7-Eleven and get a couple candy
bars and and be done with it.
But we got the whole Haribo bigbag of things, and he so he got
his very full.
And he he was like, When youtook the first one, oh, gummies!
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I was like, Oh, here, take getanother, take more.
No, take them all, I meant.
So well, one other thing hashappened since we last recorded.
We we did even did an epsepisode on the potential shit
show, the dumpster fire, Icalled it, of the Sherm's
Blueprint Conference.
(21:25):
And I will have to say, I now Ihave not watched it, as there's
a two-hour video you werementioning.
We we were talking about aboutthe the DEI debate between the
the person everybody hated,Robbie Starbuck, and the other
person whose name I don'tremember, unfortunately.
He's less controversial, so youdon't remember.
SPEAKER_03 (21:44):
That's true.
Vaughn, right?
Vaughn something.
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Vaughn, something from CNN.
SPEAKER_03 (21:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
But I am assuming that everything went really well
with it.
SPEAKER_03 (21:55):
For two reasons.
SPEAKER_00 (21:57):
Yeah.
First, I didn't if it ended upbeing a shit show, LinkedIn and
the world would have lost itsshit and been berating
everybody.
And and second thing, Shermactually posted the video of
that debate.
And I kept intending to watchit.
(22:18):
I've even seen some people madeit into clips on LinkedIn of uh,
you know, like 10-minute,15-minute clips.
I still haven't watched any ofthose, but there was no real
explosion or outrage, so I guessit must have gone pretty overall
pretty well.
So I I I do intend to watch itat some point.
SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
I do intend to see what it's all about, but I'm
also gonna say, like, no news isgood news, but also like it's
there you you do want people tobe talking about it, and I have
heard nothing about like I heardnothing about it, good or bad.
So I feel like the whole thingwas just a big nothing burger,
(23:01):
and it was just like not even ina like it was just mediocre.
That's what I'm gonna guess.
Like they just built it up andand really leaned into the whole
controversy of it all, and itwas probably just a mediocre
conversation.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
So yeah, yeah, and I I'm also betting that's part of
the thing.
Firm is really good at onething, they may not be good at
their own human resources.
If you listen to HR Besties,they're covering that whole
lawsuit out in Colorado that'sgoing on right now.
And Ashley's doing a great job.
I love listening to her talkabout it, but they're they do a
great job at marketing.
I mean, can you go 24 hourswithout getting some sort of
(23:39):
email from Sherm about somethingor another?
They're good at marketing, and Ithink they this was uh as much a
marketing scheme as anythingelse.
Look at all the attention we'regetting.
You can you you know, you can bepart of this and sponsor us and
you know, everything along thoselines.
Maybe that's what it was.
I don't know.
I yeah, I am going to watch thevideo at some point, but I don't
(24:02):
have two hours to to spare thatI'm I'm not that inter I'm not
two hours interested.
SPEAKER_03 (24:08):
I'm not two hours interested.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Send me all the little things.
SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
You know what it is?
If you have any likeadministrative stuff you have to
do, just you know put that on inthe background.
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah.
I yeah, I hope I wish.
Yeah, it's been it's been reallyinteresting in the world lately.
So that yeah, I didn't I haven'twatched that, but I I do intend.
And if I see a clip that's likefive minutes or less, maybe I'll
watch it.
Uh there's well, I I'll alsotell you Chat GPT is failing me.
(24:39):
I've set up this great reminder.
Now that it knows that I'm fromJ Did HRs, we talked about it.
I was trying to get some podcastideas out of it, but so I set it
up to give me ideas for a show.
Send me a reminder every week ofthe top HR stories that have a
little humorous twist, somethingzany and things like that, and
(24:59):
it's it's not it's not doinganything.
I've been I've been severely letdown by it.
And a lot of it's not from theUnited States, and I've read a
couple, I'm like, I don't evenunderstand what this problem is.
So, yeah, so I'm gonna try and Iguess I need to redo my prompt
to see what it comes out.
But I do like that it can sendme a reminder every Monday
(25:22):
afternoon.
I get a reminder, hey, here'sthe top ten stories I found on
Zany Crazy HR stories I found.
And I do like that.
I just wish it was betterexecuted.
I'm I'm not on LinkedIn as asmuch as I used to be.
I'm not on Reddit very much.
It's uh my my social mediaconsumption is going way
downhill, and I'm not sad aboutit.
(25:44):
Yeah, I I was I was telling youoff air, once my son gets a job,
I'm probably going to delete myLinkedIn account because I'm
just uh it LinkedIn is almostall garbage right now, and I
can't I can't I get I I go onthese social media things,
whether it's LinkedIn orFacebook or Instagram for
pleasure and enjoyment, and Ilike seeing my friends' children
(26:06):
at Halloween.
I like seeing people'svacations.
I don't want even on LinkedIn,the politics of it, the uh oh
LinkedIn has gotten politics,religion, everything like that,
and people just they don't knowhow to behave online.
Well is what it comes down to.
SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
And the and the thing is is uh you keep it like
water coolery on LinkedIn, youkeep it professional, you don't
like but people just mouth offon there, and I'm like, wow,
that's insane that you want toleave that footprint.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Exactly.
And you you can take that postdown, but somebody screenshotted
it, and if it's something reallystupid and goes for that oh,
actually, speaking of LinkedIn,you know, if you ever see my my
title on LinkedIn under my name,it says do not contact me for
solicitations.
Do not contact Well, I get Istill get dozens of oh, I got
(26:58):
this email from this company.
I saw your profile on LinkedIn,and I'm very impressed by the
work you're doing at yourcompany, and uh it named my
company, and I'm like, I've mademaybe five LinkedIn posts in the
last five years, if even.
So no, I you know, anyways, thename of her company was manager
(27:19):
method, like Ashley's from TheBesties.
And it was spelled they it wasone of those trying to be cutesy
intentionally misspelling thedomain.
So I just cut and pasted, I sentit to Ashley.
I said, I don't know, I know youlove buying some domain names,
but I don't know if you have anyintellectual property on uh your
manager method.
As I said, I got this piece ofspam cra uh crap today.
(27:42):
And she replied and thanked meand things, so that was really,
really cool.
But I was like, Yeah, you ifyou're gonna I I I know you're
not with manager method, the thereal company, but anyways.
Yeah, I I that's funny.
The solicitors are out in massright now, and yeah, it's it's
crazy.
I like I said, if I wish I couldmake my profile private or
(28:05):
whatever on LinkedIn, I don'tknow how maybe you can, but
yeah, that's gonna change.
As you can tell, it didn't comein to with too much on the
agenda today.
It's been a little bit crazy,but I am lining up a guest.
Friend of mine is uh starting anHR podcast, and I I think
they've launched their firstepisode.
(28:25):
I'll have to I'll have to doublecheck.
Probably by the time thisepisode gets launched, he'll
have launched his first episode,and I will we're gonna bring him
on board.
He's not as he's got some jadedquips, but not he's not jaded.
He's actually trying to helpyou.
So we've done a few non-jadedepisodes, but I want to get a
bit of a few.
SPEAKER_03 (28:43):
Well, we've discussed this.
We're we're more non-jaded thanwe are jaded.
SPEAKER_00 (28:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Things are going to be.
SPEAKER_03 (28:50):
I feel like jaded is misleading.
SPEAKER_00 (28:53):
Well, the snorkiness.
SPEAKER_03 (28:56):
Yeah, we're just snarky.
SPEAKER_00 (28:57):
Snarky, yeah.
Yeah.
Judgy, snorky, what have you.
But anyways, that's I reallydon't have anything else to add
of value today.
SPEAKER_03 (29:11):
Should we give everyone the gift of time?
No, I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
You can have, you know, we had so many episodes
that were going to an hour ormore, and like one of them we
recorded for an hour and a half.
I forget which one.
I trimmed it down to like anhour and five minutes that one
time.
I was like, yeah, but no, thatwe're not this one.
We'll probably trim down toabout half or a little over half
hour.
Now probably trim down to anunder half hour.
SPEAKER_03 (29:35):
So you know, next recording I will come prepared.
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Yeah, I'll try.
No promises.
SPEAKER_03 (29:42):
I'll try.
And the next recording we'regonna figure out what your
assignment was, like clearlybetween Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:49):
I'll I'll I have to do that assignment.
It's when is it due?
I have that screen Saturday.
Due Saturday at 11 59.
So I've got to get on the ballwith this.
So uh yeah, I'm going.
To uh knock that out, watchthose videos, get that thing
taken care of, and yeah, a lotof uh a lot of fun.
That I do enjoy organizationalbehavior class.
(30:10):
Oh, here's a something that cameup.
Organizational behavior class.
This book spins it talks aboutorganizational behavior, and
then it sort of implies what Idon't know if I wow, I think of
it's uh it talks to the studentsas a student now, you're gonna
be getting your first job, andhere's how to interview, and it
it gives like interview tips andthings like that, and it's
(30:32):
talking about salarynegotiations and how to salary
negotiate salaries, and it'soverall it's pretty good, but
one of the facts they use was afact from Robert Half that 80%
of people don't negotiate theirsalaries, and it goes on and on.
And I I agree you don't have alot of salary negotiation, but I
(30:52):
don't think it's due to theemployees.
I if we start having too muchsalary negotiation, I'm gonna
hold my recruiter accountablefor that.
I mean, of course, people aregonna still negotiate salary,
but you know, what when Irecruited, I was taught
pre-close, pre-close, pre-close,find out everything they need.
SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
To just knock my microphone down, find out
everything they need to that soyou they're making moves.
So when you go to make thatoffer, well, you said you want
the salary, and we're offeringyou the salary.
You wanted this PTO, you youbuild it up and you make it an
exciting and thing form, but Iinstruct or encourage or
whatever word you want to use,my recruiter to ask, what are
(31:35):
you ideally seeking in terms ofsalary?
And it can be a range, that'sfine.
I don't mind if it's a range, aslong as and if we come in of
that range and you want tonegotiate above that range, then
I'm like, why would you do that?
You know, we're giving you arange any and things like that
now with but and sometimespeople don't want to give you a
number, a salary range, and youknow, we I have some I've taught
(31:58):
her some tactics to get aroundthat.
But if they don't say, hey, theywouldn't talk sorry with me, and
honestly, that becomes a adrawback because we know what
our budget is, and uh and shewill even say our range uh where
I we're ideally looking for ifthey're out of the range or
don't talk well, we're ideallylooking to keep it somewhere in
the neighborhood of X.
(32:20):
And that helps the conversationflow.
And sometimes they bite and giveus a salary, a point that
they're looking for, and but ityou're wasting everybody's time
if one of the biggest things onthe table is not going to be
agreed upon early on.
So that I but it was talkingabout negotiation and how people
(32:42):
need to negotiate more.
I'm like, I think recruiters arebetter right now and and do
that.
Now, if you're dealing without arecruiter or directly with a
hiring manager, that's where Ican see shot salary, more salary
negotiations coming in than ifyou're dealing with a
professional recruiter becausethey've already done their
homework on you and on theposition, and it's just trying
(33:07):
to make it fit.
And yeah, maybe you're coming infive, ten thousand dollars more
than ideal.
But if you're coming in twentythousand and aren't have
something just beautiful tooffer, no, that's that's not
gonna be fit for either of us,one way or the other.
So, anyways, that was somethingI took a little bit of, you
know, I was like, eh, you know,uh yeah, please negotiate your
(33:28):
salary, but also be up front andat the the time and get all the
expectation get everybody on thesame page at the very beginning,
and then oh you're looking for150.
We're only gonna be paying 60for this position, so uh nice
nice speaking to you.
You know, do don't wasteanybody's time.
So that was just a littlesomething.
But uh overall, it it's a it's agood I'm glad I have that class
(33:51):
because my other class iskicking my ass ten ways till
Sunday, and uh yeah, it I I needneed that.
So, anyways, that's my schoolupdate for you.
SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
And I will Ohren's Warren's learning corner.
SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
Well, Kevin, he went to UNCC, right?
Charlotte?
SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
Charlotte, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
We play them Saturday.
Unfortunately, UNCC out of 136Division I football teams, I
think they're ranked like number130 right now for homecoming.
SPEAKER_04 (34:22):
Oh gosh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
We play them for our homecoming uh on Saturday.
So that'll be some much reallyneeded relaxation if I can get
things caught up to a pointwhere I can leave the house for
a day.
But yeah, homecoming.
Looking forward to seeing abunch of people I haven't seen
in forever.
So it'll be it will be fun.
So, anyhow, so I think we'llland this plane after a bunch of
(34:45):
rambling, and uh we will talk toyou in two weeks.
And also Andrew Copa, who doesthe intro and the music is the
underscore orchestra double thedouble.
So we will say, as always, I'mWarren.
SPEAKER_03 (35:01):
I'm 15.
SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
And we're here helping you survive what HR1
What the Fuck Moment at thetime.
Had you actually read the email, you would know
that the podcast you are aboutto listen to could contain
explicit language and offensivecontent.
These HR experts of views arenot representative of their
past, present, or futureemployers.
If you have ever heard, mymanager is unfair to me.
I need you to reset my HR portalpassword or can I rite up my
(00:25):
employee for crying too much?
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
Welcome to our little Facebook.
Welcome to JR.
SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Welcome to JadedHR, the podcast by two HR
professionals who want to helpyou get through the workday by
saying everything you'rethinking, but say it out loud.
I'm Warren.
SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
I'm SCP.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
And we've been gone for a little while.
Yeah.
We were trying to do maybe aHalloween-themed episode last
time, but the AWS server wentdown, which made me have an exam
that was rescheduled to the nextto the day we normally record.
So life and every universe andeverything got in the way.
So no Halloween episode.
(01:19):
I hope everybody enjoyed thatone from season one.
And it's funny listening tothink episodes from season one
because you we improved or overover the years.
That one is one.
It was a fine episode.
Vintage.
It's vintage, yeah.
(01:40):
So it and it we talk aboutCOVID, you know, and things like
that.
And you know, it's not it's not,you know, 2020 when everything
started, so the podcasting COVIDand everything.
So we hope you all survivedHalloween and don't have any
traumatic experiences to worryabout after after uh dealing
with that.
(02:00):
We have a couple stories aboutsome people who might have had
some traumatic extor uhexperiences over Halloween.
So how how how was your yourmonth off from J Did HR?
SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
It was it was good.
I was like, I feel like I'vebeen so busy, but also like at
the same time, it's just mundanestuff that it's nothing
exciting.
It's not like excited busy, it'sjust boring busy.
But I'm exhausted.
I'm just like what is it?
(02:34):
We were just doing we weretalking offline about me doing
performance evaluations now.
So it's not performanceevaluations, it's talent
calibrations, but just kind ofworking on that right now at
work, and then also just youknow, life stuff.
I'm I'm tired.
I need a nap.
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Oh we're in we're still.
SPEAKER_03 (02:52):
Although, wait, I like completely forgot.
This is way more interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (02:57):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
Scratch everything I just said.
I don't deserve some time offbecause I actually went to Fort
Lauderdale on a girl's trip.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
Oh.
Well, that sounds fun.
SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
So, yeah, so I went to Fort Lauderdale with a few
girlfriends of mine, and it wasfantastic.
We just hung out by the pool.
Although we were starting to getthe bands of the hurricane
Melissa.
SPEAKER_04 (03:23):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
So it was just like really windy, but the weather
was gorgeous otherwise.
And yeah, it was great and intrue Florida fashion, we did see
a Florida man sighting.
Oh, okay.
So I have to share this becausethis is like the best thing.
It it made the trip.
I'm at me and one of my friendsis at the bar at the hotel
(03:46):
across the street from thebeach, and then our other two
friends were sitting on thebeach, and one of them texts us
and says, Hey, like apparentlythere's a guy who is making snow
angels in the sand.
And now I guess the lifeguardscame over just to check on him
to see how he was doing.
(04:08):
He then proceeded to throw thesand, and then at some point,
this is when me and my friendimmediately got up.
He decided to take his trunksoff, and that is and then
proceed to make snow angels withhis trunks off.
And like immediately a minuteafter we just saw like it was
(04:30):
overkill, it was like six policeofficers just come into the
beach to grab this person.
But yeah, we immediately likewent to go just kind of see what
was going on.
And I gotta be honest, we wereat the wrong place at the wrong
time because we just sawstraight up the runway.
Like, like as we were on thesidewalk, we we just turned to
(04:51):
walk toward there, and they wereputting the guy in the police
car, and uh, we just we saweverything whether we wanted to
or not.
SPEAKER_00 (04:59):
Florida man, love it.
I haven't had a uh a Florida manstory in quite a while.
SPEAKER_03 (05:04):
Wow, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
But well, I'm glad the rest of the trip was fun,
and that probably made theyou'll have a story forever.
SPEAKER_03 (05:12):
So good.
I'm from South Floridaoriginally, and as soon as that
happened, and I was so happybecause I was there with my
friends who, you know, they'refrom the Midwest, and I was
like, You I'm so happy you gotto have your first Florida man
experience with me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Oh man, that that's nude.
Yeah, that's this is not a nudebeach in Port Lauderdale, I'm
sure.
SPEAKER_04 (05:38):
It is not.
SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
So well, you know, I've been run going through the
ringer with school, but my nextassignment that is due next
week, I haven't started yet.
I have to watch two off episodesof the office and talk about
some organizational behaviorimplications of it.
I don't even know which episodesit is.
I just read the description.
I haven't even looked at it.
It's it's interactions betweenapparently because I have to
(06:03):
answer questions about whatMichael Scott does and his
approach to something, and thenhow Jim reacts and his approach
to something.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
Oh, I guarantee you I knew which I know exactly what
episode it is.
SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
Okay, I'll I I I just read the instructions.
SPEAKER_03 (06:18):
I guarantee you it's the co-manager episode where
they're both managers.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:23):
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I take that back.
It's not that.
It's gonna be the one where theyare co-managers, but the stock
market or the news is reportingthat Dunder Mifflin is like
going under and blah, blah,blah.
And like Jim is all about likekeep your heads down and keep
working.
And then Michael does the dinnerpart, the murder mystery to keep
people's minds off of it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
Okay, you've got me to the point now.
I'm gonna log in and see what isOh, this is exciting.
Is the reveal.
Hold on.
Two-factor authentication forfreaking everything.
SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
Everything.
That's funny.
I want to see if I'm right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
So clip one, here we go.
I don't know if you're gonna beable to hear this or not.
The Chili's meeting.
SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
Oh, that's such a good one.
SPEAKER_00 (07:08):
So I don't know.
Uh it's three minutes, so I'mnot gonna go into the Can you
hear it?
SPEAKER_03 (07:14):
No, but I I know I've seen this so many times in
my head.
I I love that one because it'swhen you finally see Michael
being a competent salesperson,because he he just turned it on
and he like.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
He knew how to try turn it on.
Okay, let's see.
SPEAKER_03 (07:33):
Oh, the David Wallace negotiation.
SPEAKER_00 (07:36):
Yeah.
Very nice.
SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
Again, Michael knows how to turn it on.
SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Well, this one, this clip I think is regarding Jim,
if I remember the questions.
I I didn't I just breezed by theassignment when I logged into
it.
But yeah, it it's gonna beinteresting.
So I I'm looking forward to anassignment that I can actually
enjoy.
So that'll be that'll besomething fun with it.
SPEAKER_03 (07:59):
You know, you mentioned that AWS outage a
little bit ago that affected youand your school's LMS and
everything.
I didn't realize how much AWSwas intertwined with everything.
Because I felt like I mean, thisis just a silly example, but I
just went to go order Starbucksfrom the Starbucks app and that
(08:21):
was down.
And I'm like, what?
Like, I didn't realize that AWShas their hands in so much.
SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
Yeah, I I think it's like like 25% of the entire
internet traffic is goes throughAWS at some point.
And now it was only their EastCoast stuff that was down, so I
don't know if the folks inCalifornia were affected like we
were, but my wife was havingconniptions because it was a
payroll Monday, and ADP usesAWS.
(08:48):
And uh so Tuesday she wasworking till like midnight to
get everybody paid and stufflike that, and she was like,
she's like, I I can't, she hadto, you know, everybody's there,
they're sort of doing what theycan, but there's not much you
can do without ADP and andthey're at that point, and uh
yeah, it was very, veryinteresting, uh hectic time.
(09:11):
So it was yeah, it it it makesyou wonder what it that's only
one service.
If all the internet went down orsomething like that, it would
just how we we'd be back tosticks and stones.
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
Um, so not HI-related, but there was a very
short-lived show calledRevolution that talked about
just that like the power gridand everything just went out in
the US.
And it's kind of how the US hadto like reform a government and
like it just never came back.
And unfortunately, I think theshow got canceled before we ever
(09:44):
got real answers.
Great show, but yeah, like I Ilike you saying that, I'm like,
oh, we would we would be wewould be done.
SPEAKER_00 (09:53):
Yeah.
And I think especially theyounger generations, the the
zoomers and the alphas, theythey would be just well, god uh
what what's life withoutinternet or anything like that?
SPEAKER_03 (10:06):
You know, uh it it's just it's just like who even
carries cash anymore?
SPEAKER_00 (10:10):
Like if everything goes down, like I never have
cash, and it's it's actuallybeen a problem a few times
because uh I n I'm reallygetting a great habit of paying
with my phone, just tap, go.
You know, if whether you useApple Pay or Google Pay or
Samsung Pay tapping with yourphone, it I've been told it's
(10:30):
the most secure way because onlya token, a one used one-time
used token gets transmitted, andso your account information is
safe even from skimmers and andthings like that.
So that's what I've been told.
I'm not an IT person, but I've Ibought in, so I I use it almost
all the all the time foreverything.
So yeah, that's that'sinteresting.
(10:51):
So but let's let's circle backto Halloween a little.
We had a listener who's also aformer co-host by the name of
Feather sent me an article fromDavid Micklas about some
inappropriate Halloweencostumes.
And I think these must have beenfrom last year, as they were,
you know, uh, but they'rethey're still funny.
(11:12):
Well, of course, you have yourstereotypical David Miklas made
a total of three posts last weekabout inappropriate Halloween
costumes.
The first one he posted was yourstereotypical blackface.
I'm like, really, people?
SPEAKER_03 (11:26):
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
You deserve whatever comes your way after Can I tell
you a funny story?
SPEAKER_03 (11:32):
Okay.
Years ago, like years ago, wewere invited by someone to go to
like another person's Halloweenparty, and I was like, we didn't
really know the other people,but it was like a big Halloween
party, and we get there andthere's like a shit ton of
people, and the hostess and herhusband come out, and the
(11:52):
husband is dressed in blackfacebecause he was Kevin Hart, and I
was just like, like, it was justlike if blinks could talk, like
I was just like blink, blink,blink.
And anyway, I then I likeeveryone was taking pictures at
the party, and I was like, evento Kevin, I'm like, Kevin, do
not get next to him, he's inblackface, the internet is
(12:13):
forever.
SPEAKER_00 (12:14):
Yeah, the internet is forever.
I I I would hope to removemyself from that situation.
SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
But that's crazy.
That's that's an insane choice.
That is an insane choice tomake.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
And then there's pose smiling, and you know it's
going on Instagram or Facebook,whatever your favorite social
media channel is, it's goingthere.
Well, person number two, thecaption reads Dude shows up at a
company Halloween party dressedas a terrorist.
And oh I'm gonna share this withyou again because I didn't you
(12:47):
didn't read the whole messagehere, as we talked about.
SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
I was gonna say, I saw the the photo wasn't great.
Like so it's not great.
Uh it's not a good look, bro.
SPEAKER_00 (12:56):
The employee was quoted as saying, I thought
people I worked with were funand cool, but I guess they're
far from it.
Looks like I learned my lesson.
SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
Now dressed as a terrorist.
Yeah, like with a suicide vest.
SPEAKER_03 (13:12):
The suicide vest.
But he like the the kickers,it's again, is this a company
part?
I I'm so confused about thecompany situation because he's
it's the wiring is like Jaegerbottles and red bullshit.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Red bulls, yes.
I love that that part I love.
unknown (13:30):
That part.
SPEAKER_03 (13:31):
Like the creativity is there, but I'm like, at the
at at the company party,although I will say, like, I
have not had a a Jaeger Red Bullin in years, and I feel like if
I were to do so now, that wouldtake me out.
SPEAKER_00 (13:46):
So oh I I love me some Jaegermeister, and people
around me know it.
If you want to get worn stupidreal quick, give them some
Jaegermeisters.
So inappropriate costume numbernumber three.
This this young woman is dressedas a spice rack, and she has
(14:08):
taped spices across her rack.
Classy.
And she's the picture, unlikeother uh the other two pictures,
they look like they're takenfrom this, looks like it was
taken in the office, maybe.
I see some wheelie chairs andthings like that.
Oh, yeah, those are cubicles.
Those are cubicles and wheeliechairs, and I'm like, okay.
(14:29):
Like poor judgment at at thevery minimum, and just asking to
be harassed and touch, oh I needsome, you know, all spice today
and reach.
Whoops, what did I grab and soit's just so uncomfortable?
SPEAKER_03 (14:44):
Like you're you're coming to work just being like,
look at my breasts and look atmy rack.
It's just weird.
SPEAKER_00 (14:52):
Exactly.
The only intention behind thatis look at my rack.
Exactly.
So I I thought I thought thatwas that was kind of funny.
Well, actually, let me go beforeI go.
SPEAKER_03 (15:04):
What's wrong with a with an adult size onesie of a
fun cartoon character or a teddybear?
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Well, I dressed up for Halloween and didn't get the
reaction I was looking for.
A lot of people didn't recognizewho I am.
So I'm gonna uh I'm am I sharingmy screen?
No.
I'm gonna share with you in onesecond this picture and tell me
how long it takes you to figureout who I am.
SPEAKER_03 (15:44):
I don't know.
Breaking bad Heisenberg.
SPEAKER_00 (15:50):
Heisenberg from Breaking Bad.
SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
I thought I had like the killer.
I thought I had the killercostume.
People on Facebook knew how Iwas, and but yeah, I I failed
there.
So I thought I and we're talkingmy wife hates how many costumes
I have, so this one's probablynot gonna come out too much
more, but part of my our formertailgating crew, we we dressed
(16:17):
up for most tailgates.
We had a theme, a lot of themwere cultural misappropriation,
like Octuba Fest.
We'd all would dress in laterhosen and stuff.
We would have Taco Tailgatewhere we like I have a giant
sombrero and a serapha.
It's purple and gold.
And what else we've done?
Oh, we didn't pirate.
(16:37):
So I've got I've got morecostumes than most people
probably ever have.
So I I even, if you could see, Idyed my or put some, I put okay,
my wife's gonna get mad at this,but she doesn't listen.
I put some of her root the stuffshe uses to touch up her roots,
I put in my beard to get it fromwhite to uh let's see, I to get
(16:59):
it from white to brown again.
That's funny.
Uh yeah, anyways.
But yeah, that was that wasHalloween.
I had fun.
We had a good time.
There were some, you know, ourat my work nobody dressed
inappropriately.
But I do remember once upon atime I worked somewhere and we
had somebody who was wearinglike I don't know if they were a
(17:19):
fairy or pixie or something likethat, but it was like a tutu.
That was tutu too too short, andtheir whole ass was hanging out.
Now they were wearing tights,but uh you know, not work
appropriate.
Like, yeah, you didn't thinkthis one through too much, did
you?
But yeah, peep people are crazyout there.
SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
Yeah.
We just I mean, I you know, Iwork from home, so it's just me,
so I did not dress up, but wedid take the baby out, and she
we dressed as Jurassic Park, andwe took her around.
She was our dinosaur, and wewere what is it, the two main
characters.
But yeah, so we did that, and wehad like the stroller.
That was her encade like herenclosure.
(18:03):
We put some like signs on itthat was like beware of dino,
stuff like that.
So it was good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:10):
It was good.
Those were cute pics out there.
So yeah, that's the one thing Ikind of miss about the kids
because when they would gotrick-or-treating, they had to
pay the candy tax, and so Iwould get to go through and take
my fair share first.
And most of the time I wouldtake the thing, like I love, I
mentioned I like Jaegermeister,I like black licorice.
I'm the only one in my family,so if they got dots or something
(18:31):
like that, here dad, take it.
I like a lot of things the kidsdidn't like.
Crows, crows and dots.
Crows were the black licoriceone and dots were the
multi-flavored gummies.
SPEAKER_03 (18:42):
Like the multi-flavored ones, the dots.
Those are those are underrated.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
They'll pull a filling out in no time flat.
SPEAKER_03 (18:49):
So, like our neighborhood, I don't know what
it is.
It was, I feel like the last fewyears we've been here, it's
rained every Halloween, and thisfeels like the first Halloween
in years where we've hadbeautiful weather.
So we went up to our friend'shouse in the neighborhood, and
they their street was jamming.
Like, I feel like I felt verynostalgic because I felt like it
(19:11):
was just pure and utter chaos.
It was like 1980s, 1990s chaoson Sugar High, and it was so
much fun.
Like people were it was likes'more stations and like all
that kind of like people gotinto it, and she loved it.
Like a bean was just running upand down the sidewalk.
So she didn't know what wasgoing on at all, but she just
(19:33):
saw so many people and she wasjust like running up and down
the sidewalk.
She oh, it was so much fun.
SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
Did anything scare her?
Did any costumes scare her, oris she not at that age where
things quite scare her yet?
SPEAKER_03 (19:45):
No, but to be honest, there weren't like scary
costumes.
Okay.
Like, yeah, there weren't any.
We did have a neighbor who builta haunted house down the street,
so we went down there.
We didn't go in the house, butthere was a loud sound and it
like freaked her out.
SPEAKER_00 (20:01):
So yeah, we got uh I was telling you, we got one
whopping uh trick-or-treater,but I I live in a house a
neighborhood with 13 houses, andyou know, I'm in my 50s, I'm the
second youngest uh of ourfamily's the second youngest
here, and everybody else isretirees, pretty much.
But uh the only couple that'syounger, they have like a
(20:21):
three-year-old, and he came byand we just dumped our we bought
a bag of candy.
We just you're the only one wedumped a whole bag.
He grabbed, I I hold out thebucket and uh he just takes one.
I said, Oh, you can take more,and he took one more, and I just
took the whole thing.
I dumped it in his bag, likehappy Halloween.
Because we bought a bigger bagthere, a haribo mix bag of gummy
(20:42):
bears and all sorts of stuff wewe bought, and my wife and I ate
way too many of it.
We're like, you know, of course,you know, you buy more and we
knew we were gonna need it.
I was like, I can just stop at7-Eleven and get a couple candy
bars and and be done with it.
But we got the whole Haribo bigbag of things, and he so he got
his very full.
And he he was like, When youtook the first one, oh, gummies!
(21:04):
I was like, Oh, here, take getanother, take more.
No, take them all, I meant.
So well, one other thing hashappened since we last recorded.
We we did even did an epsepisode on the potential shit
show, the dumpster fire, Icalled it, of the Sherm's
Blueprint Conference.
(21:25):
And I will have to say, I now Ihave not watched it, as there's
a two-hour video you werementioning.
We we were talking about aboutthe the DEI debate between the
the person everybody hated,Robbie Starbuck, and the other
person whose name I don'tremember, unfortunately.
He's less controversial, so youdon't remember.
SPEAKER_03 (21:44):
That's true.
Vaughn, right?
Vaughn something.
SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Vaughn, something from CNN.
SPEAKER_03 (21:48):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:49):
But I am assuming that everything went really well
with it.
SPEAKER_03 (21:55):
For two reasons.
SPEAKER_00 (21:57):
Yeah.
First, I didn't if it ended upbeing a shit show, LinkedIn and
the world would have lost itsshit and been berating
everybody.
And and second thing, Shermactually posted the video of
that debate.
And I kept intending to watchit.
(22:18):
I've even seen some people madeit into clips on LinkedIn of uh,
you know, like 10-minute,15-minute clips.
I still haven't watched any ofthose, but there was no real
explosion or outrage, so I guessit must have gone pretty overall
pretty well.
So I I I do intend to watch itat some point.
SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
I do intend to see what it's all about, but I'm
also gonna say, like, no news isgood news, but also like it's
there you you do want people tobe talking about it, and I have
heard nothing about like I heardnothing about it, good or bad.
So I feel like the whole thingwas just a big nothing burger,
(23:01):
and it was just like not even ina like it was just mediocre.
That's what I'm gonna guess.
Like they just built it up andand really leaned into the whole
controversy of it all, and itwas probably just a mediocre
conversation.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
So yeah, yeah, and I I'm also betting that's part of
the thing.
Firm is really good at onething, they may not be good at
their own human resources.
If you listen to HR Besties,they're covering that whole
lawsuit out in Colorado that'sgoing on right now.
And Ashley's doing a great job.
I love listening to her talkabout it, but they're they do a
great job at marketing.
I mean, can you go 24 hourswithout getting some sort of
(23:39):
email from Sherm about somethingor another?
They're good at marketing, and Ithink they this was uh as much a
marketing scheme as anythingelse.
Look at all the attention we'regetting.
You can you you know, you can bepart of this and sponsor us and
you know, everything along thoselines.
Maybe that's what it was.
I don't know.
I yeah, I am going to watch thevideo at some point, but I don't
(24:02):
have two hours to to spare thatI'm I'm not that inter I'm not
two hours interested.
SPEAKER_03 (24:08):
I'm not two hours interested.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Send me all the little things.
SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
You know what it is?
If you have any likeadministrative stuff you have to
do, just you know put that on inthe background.
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah.
I yeah, I hope I wish.
Yeah, it's been it's been reallyinteresting in the world lately.
So that yeah, I didn't I haven'twatched that, but I I do intend.
And if I see a clip that's likefive minutes or less, maybe I'll
watch it.
Uh there's well, I I'll alsotell you Chat GPT is failing me.
(24:39):
I've set up this great reminder.
Now that it knows that I'm fromJ Did HRs, we talked about it.
I was trying to get some podcastideas out of it, but so I set it
up to give me ideas for a show.
Send me a reminder every week ofthe top HR stories that have a
little humorous twist, somethingzany and things like that, and
(24:59):
it's it's not it's not doinganything.
I've been I've been severely letdown by it.
And a lot of it's not from theUnited States, and I've read a
couple, I'm like, I don't evenunderstand what this problem is.
So, yeah, so I'm gonna try and Iguess I need to redo my prompt
to see what it comes out.
But I do like that it can sendme a reminder every Monday
(25:22):
afternoon.
I get a reminder, hey, here'sthe top ten stories I found on
Zany Crazy HR stories I found.
And I do like that.
I just wish it was betterexecuted.
I'm I'm not on LinkedIn as asmuch as I used to be.
I'm not on Reddit very much.
It's uh my my social mediaconsumption is going way
downhill, and I'm not sad aboutit.
(25:44):
Yeah, I I was I was telling youoff air, once my son gets a job,
I'm probably going to delete myLinkedIn account because I'm
just uh it LinkedIn is almostall garbage right now, and I
can't I can't I get I I go onthese social media things,
whether it's LinkedIn orFacebook or Instagram for
pleasure and enjoyment, and Ilike seeing my friends' children
(26:06):
at Halloween.
I like seeing people'svacations.
I don't want even on LinkedIn,the politics of it, the uh oh
LinkedIn has gotten politics,religion, everything like that,
and people just they don't knowhow to behave online.
Well is what it comes down to.
SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
And the and the thing is is uh you keep it like
water coolery on LinkedIn, youkeep it professional, you don't
like but people just mouth offon there, and I'm like, wow,
that's insane that you want toleave that footprint.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Exactly.
And you you can take that postdown, but somebody screenshotted
it, and if it's something reallystupid and goes for that oh,
actually, speaking of LinkedIn,you know, if you ever see my my
title on LinkedIn under my name,it says do not contact me for
solicitations.
Do not contact Well, I get Istill get dozens of oh, I got
(26:58):
this email from this company.
I saw your profile on LinkedIn,and I'm very impressed by the
work you're doing at yourcompany, and uh it named my
company, and I'm like, I've mademaybe five LinkedIn posts in the
last five years, if even.
So no, I you know, anyways, thename of her company was manager
(27:19):
method, like Ashley's from TheBesties.
And it was spelled they it wasone of those trying to be cutesy
intentionally misspelling thedomain.
So I just cut and pasted, I sentit to Ashley.
I said, I don't know, I know youlove buying some domain names,
but I don't know if you have anyintellectual property on uh your
manager method.
As I said, I got this piece ofspam cra uh crap today.
(27:42):
And she replied and thanked meand things, so that was really,
really cool.
But I was like, Yeah, you ifyou're gonna I I I know you're
not with manager method, the thereal company, but anyways.
Yeah, I I that's funny.
The solicitors are out in massright now, and yeah, it's it's
crazy.
I like I said, if I wish I couldmake my profile private or
(28:05):
whatever on LinkedIn, I don'tknow how maybe you can, but
yeah, that's gonna change.
As you can tell, it didn't comein to with too much on the
agenda today.
It's been a little bit crazy,but I am lining up a guest.
Friend of mine is uh starting anHR podcast, and I I think
they've launched their firstepisode.
(28:25):
I'll have to I'll have to doublecheck.
Probably by the time thisepisode gets launched, he'll
have launched his first episode,and I will we're gonna bring him
on board.
He's not as he's got some jadedquips, but not he's not jaded.
He's actually trying to helpyou.
So we've done a few non-jadedepisodes, but I want to get a
bit of a few.
SPEAKER_03 (28:43):
Well, we've discussed this.
We're we're more non-jaded thanwe are jaded.
SPEAKER_00 (28:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Things are going to be.
SPEAKER_03 (28:50):
I feel like jaded is misleading.
SPEAKER_00 (28:53):
Well, the snorkiness.
SPEAKER_03 (28:56):
Yeah, we're just snarky.
SPEAKER_00 (28:57):
Snarky, yeah.
Yeah.
Judgy, snorky, what have you.
But anyways, that's I reallydon't have anything else to add
of value today.
SPEAKER_03 (29:11):
Should we give everyone the gift of time?
No, I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
You can have, you know, we had so many episodes
that were going to an hour ormore, and like one of them we
recorded for an hour and a half.
I forget which one.
I trimmed it down to like anhour and five minutes that one
time.
I was like, yeah, but no, thatwe're not this one.
We'll probably trim down toabout half or a little over half
hour.
Now probably trim down to anunder half hour.
SPEAKER_03 (29:35):
So you know, next recording I will come prepared.
SPEAKER_00 (29:39):
Yeah, I'll try.
No promises.
SPEAKER_03 (29:42):
I'll try.
And the next recording we'regonna figure out what your
assignment was, like clearlybetween Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:49):
I'll I'll I have to do that assignment.
It's when is it due?
I have that screen Saturday.
Due Saturday at 11 59.
So I've got to get on the ballwith this.
So uh yeah, I'm going.
To uh knock that out, watchthose videos, get that thing
taken care of, and yeah, a lotof uh a lot of fun.
That I do enjoy organizationalbehavior class.
(30:10):
Oh, here's a something that cameup.
Organizational behavior class.
This book spins it talks aboutorganizational behavior, and
then it sort of implies what Idon't know if I wow, I think of
it's uh it talks to the studentsas a student now, you're gonna
be getting your first job, andhere's how to interview, and it
it gives like interview tips andthings like that, and it's
(30:32):
talking about salarynegotiations and how to salary
negotiate salaries, and it'soverall it's pretty good, but
one of the facts they use was afact from Robert Half that 80%
of people don't negotiate theirsalaries, and it goes on and on.
And I I agree you don't have alot of salary negotiation, but I
(30:52):
don't think it's due to theemployees.
I if we start having too muchsalary negotiation, I'm gonna
hold my recruiter accountablefor that.
I mean, of course, people aregonna still negotiate salary,
but you know, what when Irecruited, I was taught
pre-close, pre-close, pre-close,find out everything they need.
SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
To just knock my microphone down, find out
everything they need to that soyou they're making moves.
So when you go to make thatoffer, well, you said you want
the salary, and we're offeringyou the salary.
You wanted this PTO, you youbuild it up and you make it an
exciting and thing form, but Iinstruct or encourage or
whatever word you want to use,my recruiter to ask, what are
(31:35):
you ideally seeking in terms ofsalary?
And it can be a range, that'sfine.
I don't mind if it's a range, aslong as and if we come in of
that range and you want tonegotiate above that range, then
I'm like, why would you do that?
You know, we're giving you arange any and things like that
now with but and sometimespeople don't want to give you a
number, a salary range, and youknow, we I have some I've taught
(31:58):
her some tactics to get aroundthat.
But if they don't say, hey, theywouldn't talk sorry with me, and
honestly, that becomes a adrawback because we know what
our budget is, and uh and shewill even say our range uh where
I we're ideally looking for ifthey're out of the range or
don't talk well, we're ideallylooking to keep it somewhere in
the neighborhood of X.
(32:20):
And that helps the conversationflow.
And sometimes they bite and giveus a salary, a point that
they're looking for, and but ityou're wasting everybody's time
if one of the biggest things onthe table is not going to be
agreed upon early on.
So that I but it was talkingabout negotiation and how people
(32:42):
need to negotiate more.
I'm like, I think recruiters arebetter right now and and do
that.
Now, if you're dealing without arecruiter or directly with a
hiring manager, that's where Ican see shot salary, more salary
negotiations coming in than ifyou're dealing with a
professional recruiter becausethey've already done their
homework on you and on theposition, and it's just trying
(33:07):
to make it fit.
And yeah, maybe you're coming infive, ten thousand dollars more
than ideal.
But if you're coming in twentythousand and aren't have
something just beautiful tooffer, no, that's that's not
gonna be fit for either of us,one way or the other.
So, anyways, that was somethingI took a little bit of, you
know, I was like, eh, you know,uh yeah, please negotiate your
(33:28):
salary, but also be up front andat the the time and get all the
expectation get everybody on thesame page at the very beginning,
and then oh you're looking for150.
We're only gonna be paying 60for this position, so uh nice
nice speaking to you.
You know, do don't wasteanybody's time.
So that was just a littlesomething.
But uh overall, it it's a it's agood I'm glad I have that class
(33:51):
because my other class iskicking my ass ten ways till
Sunday, and uh yeah, it I I needneed that.
So, anyways, that's my schoolupdate for you.
SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
And I will Ohren's Warren's learning corner.
SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
Well, Kevin, he went to UNCC, right?
Charlotte?
SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
Charlotte, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
We play them Saturday.
Unfortunately, UNCC out of 136Division I football teams, I
think they're ranked like number130 right now for homecoming.
SPEAKER_04 (34:22):
Oh gosh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
We play them for our homecoming uh on Saturday.
So that'll be some much reallyneeded relaxation if I can get
things caught up to a pointwhere I can leave the house for
a day.
But yeah, homecoming.
Looking forward to seeing abunch of people I haven't seen
in forever.
So it'll be it will be fun.
So, anyhow, so I think we'llland this plane after a bunch of
(34:45):
rambling, and uh we will talk toyou in two weeks.
And also Andrew Copa, who doesthe intro and the music is the
underscore orchestra double thedouble.
So we will say, as always, I'mWarren.
SPEAKER_03 (35:01):
I'm 15.
SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
And we're here helping you survive what HR1
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