August 14, 2025 • 29 mins
Our guest this week is Dr. Jack Wolfson, author of the book The Paleo Cardiologist. We talk about your healthcare and why most Doctors don’t know how to do anything other than prescribe more medication, and how to take back your health.
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Gib, hello and welcome to another episode of
intelligence for your life. Thepodcast. I'm Gib Gerard. Our
guest this week is Dr JackWolfson, author of the new book,
The Paleo cardiologist. We'regoing to talk to you guys all
about our healthcare system. Whymost doctors don't talk about
what we're going to talk about,and how you can take control of
your own health, your own longterm health, how you can own
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that, the things you can eat,the things you can cut out of
your diet, the way that you'resupposed to move and behave.
We're going to talk about all ofthat. Very excited to bring that
to you before we do that,though, a couple of quick pieces
of intelligence to get you guysthrough your week. The cure for
unhealthy cravings for alcohol,cigarettes, junk food, whatever
it is, is right outside ourwindow. According to the study
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out of the University ofPlymouth, just being able to see
greenery and nature from yourhome or workplace window will
lead to less frequent and lessintense cravings and put you in
a better mindset. The studyfound that daily access to a
garden or other green spacelowered the amount and frequency
of harmful cravings. But even ifyou can't get outside, or you
don't have a garden or a yard,simply having the ability to see
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nature out a window, had similarresults. The study is the first
of its kind, and the authorssay, authors say the findings
highlight the need for citiesand communities all over the
world to invest in and protectpublic green spaces. The cure
for unhealthy cravings, alcohol,cigarettes, junk food, whatever
it may be, is right outside ourwindow. One more quick piece of
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intelligence. Try this. Speakingof junk food, try this to sleep.
Better. Order pizza for dinner.
Take a 20 minute walk, and thenyou have to take the 20 minute
walk after you eat it, then getready to have a great night's
sleep. University ofPennsylvania researchers say
that tomato sauce on pizza is agreat source of lycopene, and
that compound helps us producemelatonin, the sleep regulating
hormone. It also helps relaxtense muscles and calms the
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brain's anxiety Center, whichhelps you fall asleep faster.
And when you combine tomatoeswith a little fat, like from the
cheese or olive oil, it helps usabsorb more lycopene. Then,
after you eat your pizza, take a20 minute walk. Not only will
that help you digest the pizza,it'll also encourage your brain
to produce more melatonin.
Combine the two, and you nowhave a great way to get a better
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night's sleep. I'm speaking fromexperience. The older I get, the
more I need that 20 minute walkafter pizza, because at my age,
one piece of pizza and I'mpretty much just, I don't think
I could sleep properly for abouta week. It just messes with me
in a way, like 19 year oldversion of me, I could, I could
eat an entire pizza. No problem.
Fall asleep, live my life, getup, workout. No problem. Now I
think about pizza that doesn'thave a cauliflower crust and I'm
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on the floor for three days justI'm just done anyway, speaking
of ways to eat healthier,speaking of ways to deal with
cravings, here we go. I'm veryexcited to bring this to you. My
interview with thepaleocardiologist, Dr Jack
Wolfson. Dr Jack Wolfson, thepaleocardiologist. Thank you so
much for your time today. Wereally appreciate being on the
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show. Oh, thanks so muchpleasure to be on. And that
really, do you know, share someof the most important topics
about the biggest killerworldwide, which is
cardiovascular disease. And Ithink we can tackle it, tackle
it naturally. I And that's greatto hear, right? You're so
you're, you're a board certifiedcardiologist, but you, you wrote
a book called The Paleocardiologist. And there's so
much, there's so much in that.
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But I know a lot ofcardiologists really don't like,
I know no paleo for you is morethan just diet. It's a whole
lifestyle choice, but, but somany, so many cardiologists are,
you know, they say, don't eat alot of red meat. They They
recommend, you know, not puttingthese extra stress workouts on
your on your heart. But you youare, you are firmly in the other
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camp. So how do you, how do you,as a cardiologist, justify the
high saturated fat diet that isassociated with the paleo, with
being paleo? Well, you know, youtalk about me, kind of, you
know, and the othercardiologists, and why the other
cardiologist may disagree withwhat I have to say. It's only
because cardiologists aren'ttrained in nutrition and
lifestyle and evidence basedsupplements or environmental
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toxins and pollutants. And youknow, the average cardiologist,
I mean, we're trained to todispense pharmaceuticals and to
recommend surgical procedures.
So when I was with the biggestgroup in the state of Arizona,
and after 10 years, left thatgroup. I mean, I spent 10 years
doing angiograms, pacemakers,you know, invasive cardiology,
hospital based, cardiologystuff, and we never once talked
about nutrition, lifestyle andall these other important
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things. And that's why I thinkthat the car the average
cardiologist is unskilled totalk about preventive measures.
You know, listen, statin drugsare not prevention. Aspirin is
not prevention. Prevention canonly be done by eating, you
know, the right foods and livingthe right lifestyle. And that's
what I talk about inside mybook, The Paleo cardiologist.
So, okay, you bring up somethingthat I've heard a lot of
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physicians that I've talked tosay, right? That's that the.
That your training really leavesnutrition and lifestyle. You
know, as a doctor, your trainingreally leaves nutrition and
lifestyle off the table. It'sreal. It's about systemic
functions and then system andthen diseases associated with
each of those symptoms. Andthen, like to your point, what,
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what pharmaceuticals and what,what chemicals can be used to
regulate the the conditions ofthose disease Why do you think
nutrition is is so lacking in intraining for physicians?
Well, I think really it justcomes down to who controls
medical education. And whocontrols medical education is
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the pharmaceutical companies.
The pharmaceutical companiessponsor medical training.
Support the medical schools,support the medical literature,
support the government, thegoverning bodies like the
American Heart Association,American College of Cardiology,
for example, American CancerSociety, those are all funded by
by pharmaceutical companies. Sowhen that is the case, the focus
in your education is not abouthow do we use nutrition and
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lifestyle to optimize health?
Again, it's about what kind ofyou know, how do we label
someone with a disease? Andmaybe it's maybe it's cancer,
maybe it's lupus, maybe it'sdementia, maybe it's
gastroesophageal reflux disease.
We come up with these newthings, and then what's the
pharmaceutical to treat it.
What's the surgical approach forit? What kind of test can we do,
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like a CT scan or an MRI? It'sreally just become big business,
and it's just society thatsuffers, and it's really
unfortunate. But doctors likeyou know, the ones you've
interviewed myself, you know,we're here to change all that,
so I appreciate you again. Youknow, allowing me the
opportunity to teach this toyour listeners. Do you think
that the the way that we You'rewelcome further. Do you think
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that the way that we, that wecompensate doctors, being
procedure based so much is a bigis another problem in this
process? Yeah, undoubtedly. Imean the you know, the
reimbursement, you know, fordoctors again, you know doctors
are rewarded for seeing as manypeople as they can as fast as
possible. So for example, in theold cardiology practice, I was
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seeing patients every 10minutes. Now my new patient
consultations are 90 minuteslong, and even then, it
sometimes feels like not enoughto be able to dive into the
history of a 4050, 6070, yearold person to really accomplish
a lot, but we do a lot in 90minutes. It's really successful.
But, you know, again, yeah, thedoctors are rewarded for doing
procedures, for ordering testsand and frankly, also from a
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pharmaceutical standpoint,listen, the pharmaceutical reps
take the docs golfing, and theytake them for dinners, and they
give them free items. And again,it's been shown that you can buy
a doctor's loyalty with just apen. A pen can literally buy a
doctor's business and it's, it'sa sad state of affairs. How nice
of a pen are we talking about?
Yeah, not even, right? Justsome, you know, it's just some
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throwaway garbage. But we're nottalking like a Mont Blanc
fountain pen, right? Which isyou just as little ball click
pens with the with the drug onit, just some cheap 10 cents,
you know, piece of novelty. But,yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, so
the point is, really, is that,and, you know, Gib, it's like,
the doctors don't even recognizethat this is a problem. It's
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just because, you know, we'rejust born into it, you know,
we're like, on the first day ofmedical school. I mean, we can't
wait to learn the diseases andthen learn the drugs we spent so
much time in pharmacology. I mayremember the first prescription
that I wrote. It was like one ofthe happiest days of my life.
And yeah, it just, it's justreally highlights the overall
problem. But you know, thebeautiful thing is now is that
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people have opportunities fromdoctors like myself, thought
leaders that you know, that arewriting the books, writing the
blogs, going on the internet,going on podcasts, putting this
information out there, and thepublic is really, really
realizing the benefits. So what?
So you have this, this, thislarge, moneyed entity that is
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disrupting what you would, youwould argue, is in the best
interest of people's health. Andso what are some of the ways,
first of all, what are some ofthe things that we as
individuals should be doing inorder to begin to break out of
that and then secondly, whathope do you have for the medical
industry for being able to beginto unpack this stuff? Well, I
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think you know, first andforemost, I would tell anybody
who's looking for, for example,for a primary care doctor, find
a holistic minded, naturalminded
practitioner to guide them. AndI think very often times Gib
that the best person qualifiedfor that really is a Doctor of
Chiropractic. Doctor ofChiropractic is a DC, and DC, as
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my wife often says, is standsfor Doctor of cause as well. So
when you find a doctor of cause,whether it's a DC, an MD, a do
those professions, even a goodnutritionist can, again, help
people talk about the thingsthat really cause illness, such
as bad food choices, such as,you know, poor sleep, lack of
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sunshine.
Lack of physical activity andall these different
environmental chemicals andpollutants you know that are out
there. Let me throw one factthat you were here is that
people that are in the highestlevels of of pesticides in their
body, so we can actually testpeople's pesticide levels, the
people with the highestpesticides have a 300%
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higher risk of dying ofcardiovascular causes, right?
And the public doesn't knowthat. They're not seeing that on
CNN or Fox or whatever theirfavorite station is. They're not
hearing that. They're justhearing the message of, you may
have high cholesterol.
Drug wasn't there speaking ofmoney being an issue. Wasn't
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there a bill that got passedrecently, in the last few years?
I think that was about necessarydisclosures from chemical
companies. But Monsanto itself,which makes the most popular
pesticide in the world Roundup,was was exempted by name, from
having to adhere to the bill. Doyou remember this, you know, I
don't, I don't remember thatspecifically, but, I mean, it's
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really, it's really notsurprising. Again, the power of
industryis, obviously, is essentially
unlimited. Because, I mean, theyjust control everything. So when
you say that, Oh, there's nodata that says that glyphosate,
the main component of Roundup,is dangerous. First of all,
that's factually inaccurate,according to hundreds of
studies. But then you would alsosay, Well, you know, who
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sponsors these studies that saythat glyphosate is innocuous?
Well, of course, it's Monsanto,right? And and their and their
subsidiaries, you know, theirfoundations that they're, you
know, they create, or theseorganizations that are all just
umbrellas for for, you know,pharmaceutical or, or, you know,
big corporations that, again,settle the, you know, sell and
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pedal these, these pesticidesand chemicals in our
environment. And it's reallyjust suppressing the truth and,
you know, and that's, again,that's where the beauty is of
media like this, to be able togo directly to the people, and
that's why I wrote my book withover 300 references in there, to
show people, hey, this stuff isin the medical literature, just
because your cardiologist saysthat fish oil doesn't work.
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Well, let me show you actually20 studies that says it does
work. You know, people say thatthere's no way to naturally
treat atrial fibrillation? Well,I developed a seven part course
on natural treatment of atrialfibrillation, with all the
references in there, so youknow. And Gib, let me tell you
one more thing I was recently. Iwrote a chapter from medical
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textbook on integrativecardiology by Dr Mark Houston,
and I wrote chapter five in thatbook, and it was about nutrition
and heart health, specificallypaleo nutrition. I had 187
references in that one chapteralone.
Wow. So you'd be Your pointbeing that the research is
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there. It's just that the waythat the the way that things are
structured, suppresses theresearch, or that, you know,
it's not getting into theirhands of the right people. Yeah.
I mean, listen, when you whenyou're a cardiologist and you're
seeing patients every 10minutes, you don't got time to
talk about research. You don'tgot time to talk about health
and wellness. You have a timeand say, Hey, Gib, great to see
you. How you feeling. Your testresults came back. Cholesterol
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is a little bit high. Here'syour Lipitor by Right, right,
right? Is that? Say that's allyou. So, okay, so you say, find
a holistic naturopathic doctor.
Where do you start to do that?
Where? What's any you said, Iknow that. You said, find a find
a chiropractic doctor. But youalso mentioned ODS and MDs in
there as well. So what, what arewhat we do? Are there resources
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for people to wherever they are?
Yeah, I mean, I mean, there aresome, I think you know, really
is that you know, you know,social media can be helpful in
the sense that if you reach outto kind of like your Facebook
community, you know, maybe whereyou live, you should be able to
find someone. I think if youGoogle, you know holistic MD
near me, or, you know,functional chiropractor near me,
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you're able to find these thisinformation pretty quickly. The
next thing you want to do iscall up the office of that
doctor and ask to speak to thedoctor. Hey, you know, my name
is My name is Jack, and I'minterested in in holistic
approaches, or naturalapproaches to hypertension. Is
this something your doctor canhelp with? You know? Or I heard
that chiropractic is great forblood pressure, or,
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you know, you know,cardiovascular issues, atrial
fibrillation, you know, is, youknow, can speak to the doctor,
you know, regarding this. Youknow, the cheapest thing is a
consult. Go interview somebody,if you like them, stick with
them if you don't move on. Yeah.
So what sort of factors? I mean,I guess we've touched on a
couple of them. But are thereany additional specific factors
that you should be looking forwhen you when you actually do
that consult Well, I think youknow, once again, you got to be,
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you know, with a person that youare. You know you feel, feel a
congruence with, you know thatyou resonate with. And you know,
fundamentally, do you like thatperson or not? I mean, you can
go see a heart surgeon. If youdon't like that heart surgeon,
you should not.
Get treatment from that heartsurgeon. I think you have to
have compatibility, you know,with, with, with every person in
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your life. Otherwise theyshouldn't be in your life if
you're incompatible. So, youknow, I mean, once again, you
know, just kind of like beingprepared to kind of ask those
questions, you know, how do youthink that chiropractic will
help my atrial fibrillation? Isthere any food or supplements or
lifestyle, you know, changesthat you think can help my blood
pressure and ask those samequestions of the functional
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medicine doctor. But I think ingeneral, by definition, those
people are uniquely designed tobe able to and uniquely trained
to be able to help younaturally. Yeah, yeah. I just,
you know, it feels so hopeless,right? We was, we talked about
moneyed interests and in thetraining, in the in the
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research, and in thelegislation, and so basically,
every major touch point is isobfuscated by people whose
interests are not necessarily inour best interest. Their
interests are in sellingwidgets, and the widgets just
happen to be things that lowerthe symptoms of disease without
dealing with the cause ofdisease, right? So, how do we
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do we have a hope as a society.
I mean, I hear you're saying, asan individual, you can find the
doctors that are that makesense. And I understand that.
You know, I know you're big onorganic food and an a paleo
lifestyle being, you know, a lotof outdoor time, a lot of
exercise.
But are we just as a society?
Are we just year over year,gonna get worse and worse? Now,
I definitely think, I definitelythink there's hope and and, but
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it's really coming from theground, you know, from the
grassroots roots. It's not goingto come from the top. It's not
going to come from the top.
These corporations are not allof a sudden going to stop, you
know, dispensingpharmaceuticals. They have
their, you know, their theirbusiness agenda, their mission,
of course, if your corporation,who's in pharmaceuticals, to
sell more pharmaceuticals, it'sreally just coming from the
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company, from the public, in thegroundswell. You know, kids that
are, that are, you know, 1825,years old right now, a lot of
them, they don't want to besick, like their parents and
like their grandparents. Theydon't want to be swallowing,
yeah, you know, tons of pills.
They want to talk about healthand wellness and the
environment, and they want totalk about natural remedies.
But, you know, this is not the1970s where you go into your
doctor and it's like, you know,my way or the highway. You know,
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take an aspirin and call me inthe morning. I mean, people
again, they're coming in armedwith the information, and
they're asking, Hey, I don'twant to take this cholesterol
drug. What's, what's youralternative plan? You know? What
about this? What about this?
What about this? And again, ifthey're not happy with the
answers, they're gonna move onand find someone that
understands their point of view.
So again, I think it's theinformation age, and there's a
lot of great information outthere. And you know, Gib, when
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people talk about like thesemommy bloggers, and they laugh
about mommy bloggers or DrGoogle. Well, mommy bloggers and
Dr Google takes you to theoriginal medical literature so
you can find out all this stuffabout how important sunshine is
for cancer prevention. I mean,again, you know, you're diving
into the medical literature, andeverybody's able to do it. It's
really, it's, it's a, it's alevel playing field that, but
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it's going to have to come froma grassroots effort. But I think
it's, it's only right, it isonly, you know, our destiny to
as a race, to be able to achievethis. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we
just, we don't have yet ashumanity, we kind of, we need to
begin to take our health intoour own hands. And in the ways
that you're talking about, let'sactually dive into some of the
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stuff that we could be doing.
You are a big fan, you know,we've, we've touched on it. It's
in your it's your book title.
But what are these sort of paleolifestyle choices that we can
all start to make today that'll,that'll help improve our health?
Well, I kind of like, and I lovethe example of the movie cast
away with the actor, Tom Hanks,and he's in the movie, and he
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plays, you know, a guy who wasin a plane crash.
And great movie, and it's reallya great lesson for, you know,
for children as well, to watchthat movie. So, you know, he
winds up as the sole survivor ofa plane crash. He's on that
island, and on the island, helives the island lifestyle,
right? He doesn't have a choice.
So on there, he goes to sleepwith the sun down or right after
the sundown, as humans have donefor millions of years. He awakes
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before the sunrise, he walks,and then he spends the day in
and out of the sun, and all he'sdoing is wearing a loin cloth.
So with that message, we embracethe power of sleep. We embrace
the power of the sun. Weappreciate that all life is
outdoors, in the darkness and inthe light, and it is only the
human that sits inside and then,on the island, heats coconuts,
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you know, fish and vegetablesand, you know, kind of, you
know, we love and as a family,I've got me and my wife and my
three children and fourth one onthe way, we love watching some
of these, like Survivor shows.
Like, yeah, alone, we're reallyinto alone lately, alone. I'm
Naked and Afraid, right? Gib, Imean, like, what are these
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people eating on those shows?
They're they're huntergatherers. On those shows,
they're eating, they're eatinginsects. They're eating, they're
eating any kind of plant matterthey can find. They're eating,
they're eating, of course,trying to obtain seafood. That's
the grand prize, any kind ofanimal they can hunt down or
trap. You know, they'll eat the.
Those they're not eating wheatbread, they're not having
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oatmeal, you know, they're nothaving cereal, you know, for
breakfast, they're not havingpasta. They're not they don't
have any dairy products, youknow, they don't have any sugar
and that. And so really, youknow, it kind of, you know, it's
the same example too. It's like,you know, you don't have to
teach a lion what to eat, or anantelope, you know what to eat,
or a giraffe what to eat. Why?
Why is only the humans thatargue about what to eat? Why is
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there? Why are there? You knowus, News and World Report. Why
do they rank the top 43 diets? Imean, there's only one diet, and
it's hunter gatherer. And themore we achieve that, the better
our health is going to be. Soyou're looking for organic
meats, organic vegetables thatare that are unprocessed,
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nuts and seeds, does that fallinto that? Yeah, I would say
nuts and seeds fall into it.
Probably not by the bulk handfulthat most people are used to
obtaining it, right? If you wantto nut and seed, you know, back
in the day, you had to, kind of,you know, go a little effort,
but everything took a lot moreeffort, right? You know how
plentiful food is today. But no,I mean, just like you said,
Yeah, you know this is not DrJack Wolfson saying, go to
Burger King. Have a DoubleWhopper. Hold on, right? It is
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always about the best of thebest, free range, grass fed
meats, wild seafood and nuts,seeds, avocados, coconuts,
olives, vegetables, seasonalfruit. Everything's got to be
organic. And if you take onemessage out of this entire
conversation, Gib, for thelisteners, it's, it's go
organic, because the pesticideskill pests and they kill us.
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Yeah, I mean, and we, I've seenso much research on that, right?
Where are so many, so manydocumentaries where they talk
about how, even if, even if thestudies show that that the
pesticide in one dose is not, isnot, is not necessarily
dangerous or does not have longterm health consequences. The
amount of pesticides that we getcumulatively in our diet is so
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significant that it becomes,well, I mean, it just, it can be
even just like anything like youcan have a small dose of arsenic
and you'll be fine. You haveenough arsenic, and it kills
you. It's the same thing withthese pesticides. And it's also,
yeah, and it's to the individualperson too, you know, I mean,
again, you know, I mean, somepeople can tolerate more, you
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know, chemicals than others. Butagain, the the studies are
sponsored by industry. And youknow, if you, if you're a
university, again, you get a lotof funding from outside sources.
You know. You get it fromindustry as they sponsor. You
know what you're doing. So ifyou're trying to come up with
research that that shows thatglyphosate is dangerous, I mean,
you may as well just quit yourjob, because you're going to get
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fired. You're not going to getfunding, right? There lies a
major problem with studies ingeneral, but there is so much
information from independentresearchers that shows that that
all these things we're talkingabout, whether it's air
pollution, environmentalpollutant, mold, mycotoxins,
heavy metal toxicity, and thenthe toxins from food and real
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quickly, you know, you did touchon like the nut and seed story,
and nut and seeds also containanti nutrients called phytates
and lectins, and that is why alot of people, including myself
and my wife, recommend sproutingthe nuts and seeds. So what you
do is that, yeah, you soak themover, you know, you take a bowl
of organic almonds, raw almonds,you put water, you know, into
into that bowl along with thealmonds, put in the
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refrigerator, let it sitovernight, and then discard the
water. And then from there, youcan dehydrate them. You can eat
the nuts as they are. You canadd them to a blender with water
and make nut milk. But that'sprobably the best way to consume
the nuts for a lot of people.
Yeah, so you touched onsomething there too. That was
that it's interesting, like, so,you know, Dr Gundry, yes, he's
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big on the, I forgetthe name of the chemical, but
you just said it, it's the,it's, it's in,
it's the lectin, you know, ittalks about, I mean, but again,
you know, I mean, us naturaldoctors have been talking about
lectins, you know, you know, forthe longest time. When I first
met my wife, who's all holisticand natural as a physician, you
know, back in late 2004 that'sone of the thing. The thing, you
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know, first thing she told meabout was about lectins and what
a problem they were. So theresearch on that actually goes
back a long time. It actuallygoes back 1000s of years,
because cultures have known thatthey're better off sprouting
what you know, whether it's thegrains, the nuts and seeds in
order to make them moredigestible.
You know, personally, I thinkthat Gundry is recommendations.
I think that a lot of thembecome very cumbersome, and I
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think they spill outside of whatis our ancestral diet. I mean,
for me, it's just real simpleeat the ancestral foods that
would have been available if youwant your best outcomes. And you
know, so, so what makes commonsense? Again, we've got 187
references proving it is thetruth. Yeah, well, I mean,
that's, that's okay. So the bookis the paleocardiologist. The
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the website where, where you canget that book as well as a bunch
of others. What's the, what'sthe website for people to follow
up with you? You know, we wantto get people this information
as easy as possible. And thewebsite is free heart book.com.
So just come to free heart book.
Dot com, you pay shipping andhandling,
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reviews, you know,you know, probably 100,000 plus
copies, you know, distributedalready worldwide. And, you
know, again, I want to be ableto, you know, you know, I quit
the main, you know, themainstream cardiology, job
security, you know, and all thatstuff, because I wanted to do
the right thing. I wanted tochange the world from a natural
heart health standpoint. Andagain, just getting out that
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information is absolutelycritical. The book is a great
gift, of course, for anybody,instead of buying them a sweater
for the holidays or or a box ofchocolate or alcohol, or, you
know, the old time, you knowcarton of cigarettes. I mean,
give people the gift of healthand wellness. Who's still buying
people cartons of cigarettes?
I'm sure some people are stilldoing it, dude,
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I guarantee you, right. Those,those companies are still in
business. I think those of usthat you know that do shop at
holistic places, we kind offorget what it's like to
frequent gas stations andconvenience stores where, again,
yeah, they distribute thoseproducts like candy. Yeah,
that's true. That's true. I justget it. Oh, okay, happy. Merry
Christmas, son. Here's yourpalm. All for one last question,
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Dr Wilson and I ask it toeverybody, what is one thing we
can all start doing today thatwill make our lives a whole lot
better? Wow. I mean, obviouslythat list is infinitely long,
but let me just say this, turnoff your Wi Fi at night. Turn
off your Wi Fi at night. Maybeone thing that's simple enough
to do. I mean, again, I can goon about electromagnetic fields
and all of the electricityaround us and how damaging it
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is. But if there's one simplestep, just go to your Wi Fi,
press, you know, bank on therouter and turn off your Wi Fi.
That way you don't get the Wi Fiexposure. Remember, the heart,
and the entire body iselectrical, but certainly the
heart, we measure, the EKG, thatis the electricity of the heart.
Wi Fi and all the tech wesurround ourselves damages our
hearts. So do you have to unplugall of my Wi Fi nodes? So I have
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a mesh system,you know, listen, I mean, I
don't have a complicated system.
I think there are other peoplethat you know maybe can get more
into that. Because, again, likeI know, you know, security
systems and all that stuff youknow are dependent on Wi Fi. So
let me just say, you know, themore we unplug, and certainly
while we're sleeping, thebetter. So most people sleep
right next to their cell phone.
Yeah, the cell phone is on. TheWi Fi is on. The amount of
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electromagnetic radiation thatphone emits is absolutely
catastrophic. And again, it's ascenario. Usually people that
study it are in this right? Isaw a study recently where they
normalized all of the data oncell phone energy and and and
the damaging radiation when itcomes to cells.
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And if you normalize the datafor the for the cell phone
companies paying for thestudies, the research
overwhelmingly shows that yourcell phone irradiates you to a
dangerous level. Yeah, I mean,so basically, what you're
talking about is that when youlook at industry sponsored
research versus independentresearch, the vast majority of
the time when it's industrysponsored, its favors industry.
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The vast majority of the timewhen it's independent research,
it actually goes againstindustry. So it's all driven by
the almighty dollar. That'scrazy. Well, that is a that is a
sobering way to end this, but Iappreciate your time today. Dr
Wolfson, and I'd love to talk toyou in the future anytime, Gib,
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You.
Gib, hello and welcome to another episode of
intelligence for your life. Thepodcast. I'm Gib Gerard. Our
guest this week is Dr JackWolfson, author of the new book,
The Paleo cardiologist. We'regoing to talk to you guys all
about our healthcare system. Whymost doctors don't talk about
what we're going to talk about,and how you can take control of
your own health, your own longterm health, how you can own
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that, the things you can eat,the things you can cut out of
your diet, the way that you'resupposed to move and behave.
We're going to talk about all ofthat. Very excited to bring that
to you before we do that,though, a couple of quick pieces
of intelligence to get you guysthrough your week. The cure for
unhealthy cravings for alcohol,cigarettes, junk food, whatever
it is, is right outside ourwindow. According to the study
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out of the University ofPlymouth, just being able to see
greenery and nature from yourhome or workplace window will
lead to less frequent and lessintense cravings and put you in
a better mindset. The studyfound that daily access to a
garden or other green spacelowered the amount and frequency
of harmful cravings. But even ifyou can't get outside, or you
don't have a garden or a yard,simply having the ability to see
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nature out a window, had similarresults. The study is the first
of its kind, and the authorssay, authors say the findings
highlight the need for citiesand communities all over the
world to invest in and protectpublic green spaces. The cure
for unhealthy cravings, alcohol,cigarettes, junk food, whatever
it may be, is right outside ourwindow. One more quick piece of
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intelligence. Try this. Speakingof junk food, try this to sleep.
Better. Order pizza for dinner.
Take a 20 minute walk, and thenyou have to take the 20 minute
walk after you eat it, then getready to have a great night's
sleep. University ofPennsylvania researchers say
that tomato sauce on pizza is agreat source of lycopene, and
that compound helps us producemelatonin, the sleep regulating
hormone. It also helps relaxtense muscles and calms the
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brain's anxiety Center, whichhelps you fall asleep faster.
And when you combine tomatoeswith a little fat, like from the
cheese or olive oil, it helps usabsorb more lycopene. Then,
after you eat your pizza, take a20 minute walk. Not only will
that help you digest the pizza,it'll also encourage your brain
to produce more melatonin.
Combine the two, and you nowhave a great way to get a better
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night's sleep. I'm speaking fromexperience. The older I get, the
more I need that 20 minute walkafter pizza, because at my age,
one piece of pizza and I'mpretty much just, I don't think
I could sleep properly for abouta week. It just messes with me
in a way, like 19 year oldversion of me, I could, I could
eat an entire pizza. No problem.
Fall asleep, live my life, getup, workout. No problem. Now I
think about pizza that doesn'thave a cauliflower crust and I'm
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on the floor for three days justI'm just done anyway, speaking
of ways to eat healthier,speaking of ways to deal with
cravings, here we go. I'm veryexcited to bring this to you. My
interview with thepaleocardiologist, Dr Jack
Wolfson. Dr Jack Wolfson, thepaleocardiologist. Thank you so
much for your time today. Wereally appreciate being on the
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show. Oh, thanks so muchpleasure to be on. And that
really, do you know, share someof the most important topics
about the biggest killerworldwide, which is
cardiovascular disease. And Ithink we can tackle it, tackle
it naturally. I And that's greatto hear, right? You're so
you're, you're a board certifiedcardiologist, but you, you wrote
a book called The Paleocardiologist. And there's so
much, there's so much in that.
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But I know a lot ofcardiologists really don't like,
I know no paleo for you is morethan just diet. It's a whole
lifestyle choice, but, but somany, so many cardiologists are,
you know, they say, don't eat alot of red meat. They They
recommend, you know, not puttingthese extra stress workouts on
your on your heart. But you youare, you are firmly in the other
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camp. So how do you, how do you,as a cardiologist, justify the
high saturated fat diet that isassociated with the paleo, with
being paleo? Well, you know, youtalk about me, kind of, you
know, and the othercardiologists, and why the other
cardiologist may disagree withwhat I have to say. It's only
because cardiologists aren'ttrained in nutrition and
lifestyle and evidence basedsupplements or environmental
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toxins and pollutants. And youknow, the average cardiologist,
I mean, we're trained to todispense pharmaceuticals and to
recommend surgical procedures.
So when I was with the biggestgroup in the state of Arizona,
and after 10 years, left thatgroup. I mean, I spent 10 years
doing angiograms, pacemakers,you know, invasive cardiology,
hospital based, cardiologystuff, and we never once talked
about nutrition, lifestyle andall these other important
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things. And that's why I thinkthat the car the average
cardiologist is unskilled totalk about preventive measures.
You know, listen, statin drugsare not prevention. Aspirin is
not prevention. Prevention canonly be done by eating, you
know, the right foods and livingthe right lifestyle. And that's
what I talk about inside mybook, The Paleo cardiologist.
So, okay, you bring up somethingthat I've heard a lot of
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physicians that I've talked tosay, right? That's that the.
That your training really leavesnutrition and lifestyle. You
know, as a doctor, your trainingreally leaves nutrition and
lifestyle off the table. It'sreal. It's about systemic
functions and then system andthen diseases associated with
each of those symptoms. Andthen, like to your point, what,
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what pharmaceuticals and what,what chemicals can be used to
regulate the the conditions ofthose disease Why do you think
nutrition is is so lacking in intraining for physicians?
Well, I think really it justcomes down to who controls
medical education. And whocontrols medical education is
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the pharmaceutical companies.
The pharmaceutical companiessponsor medical training.
Support the medical schools,support the medical literature,
support the government, thegoverning bodies like the
American Heart Association,American College of Cardiology,
for example, American CancerSociety, those are all funded by
by pharmaceutical companies. Sowhen that is the case, the focus
in your education is not abouthow do we use nutrition and
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lifestyle to optimize health?
Again, it's about what kind ofyou know, how do we label
someone with a disease? Andmaybe it's maybe it's cancer,
maybe it's lupus, maybe it'sdementia, maybe it's
gastroesophageal reflux disease.
We come up with these newthings, and then what's the
pharmaceutical to treat it.
What's the surgical approach forit? What kind of test can we do,
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like a CT scan or an MRI? It'sreally just become big business,
and it's just society thatsuffers, and it's really
unfortunate. But doctors likeyou know, the ones you've
interviewed myself, you know,we're here to change all that,
so I appreciate you again. Youknow, allowing me the
opportunity to teach this toyour listeners. Do you think
that the the way that we You'rewelcome further. Do you think
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that the way that we, that wecompensate doctors, being
procedure based so much is a bigis another problem in this
process? Yeah, undoubtedly. Imean the you know, the
reimbursement, you know, fordoctors again, you know doctors
are rewarded for seeing as manypeople as they can as fast as
possible. So for example, in theold cardiology practice, I was
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seeing patients every 10minutes. Now my new patient
consultations are 90 minuteslong, and even then, it
sometimes feels like not enoughto be able to dive into the
history of a 4050, 6070, yearold person to really accomplish
a lot, but we do a lot in 90minutes. It's really successful.
But, you know, again, yeah, thedoctors are rewarded for doing
procedures, for ordering testsand and frankly, also from a
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pharmaceutical standpoint,listen, the pharmaceutical reps
take the docs golfing, and theytake them for dinners, and they
give them free items. And again,it's been shown that you can buy
a doctor's loyalty with just apen. A pen can literally buy a
doctor's business and it's, it'sa sad state of affairs. How nice
of a pen are we talking about?
Yeah, not even, right? Justsome, you know, it's just some
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throwaway garbage. But we're nottalking like a Mont Blanc
fountain pen, right? Which isyou just as little ball click
pens with the with the drug onit, just some cheap 10 cents,
you know, piece of novelty. But,yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, so
the point is, really, is that,and, you know, Gib, it's like,
the doctors don't even recognizethat this is a problem. It's
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just because, you know, we'rejust born into it, you know,
we're like, on the first day ofmedical school. I mean, we can't
wait to learn the diseases andthen learn the drugs we spent so
much time in pharmacology. I mayremember the first prescription
that I wrote. It was like one ofthe happiest days of my life.
And yeah, it just, it's justreally highlights the overall
problem. But you know, thebeautiful thing is now is that
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people have opportunities fromdoctors like myself, thought
leaders that you know, that arewriting the books, writing the
blogs, going on the internet,going on podcasts, putting this
information out there, and thepublic is really, really
realizing the benefits. So what?
So you have this, this, thislarge, moneyed entity that is
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disrupting what you would, youwould argue, is in the best
interest of people's health. Andso what are some of the ways,
first of all, what are some ofthe things that we as
individuals should be doing inorder to begin to break out of
that and then secondly, whathope do you have for the medical
industry for being able to beginto unpack this stuff? Well, I
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think you know, first andforemost, I would tell anybody
who's looking for, for example,for a primary care doctor, find
a holistic minded, naturalminded
practitioner to guide them. AndI think very often times Gib
that the best person qualifiedfor that really is a Doctor of
Chiropractic. Doctor ofChiropractic is a DC, and DC, as
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my wife often says, is standsfor Doctor of cause as well. So
when you find a doctor of cause,whether it's a DC, an MD, a do
those professions, even a goodnutritionist can, again, help
people talk about the thingsthat really cause illness, such
as bad food choices, such as,you know, poor sleep, lack of
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sunshine.
Lack of physical activity andall these different
environmental chemicals andpollutants you know that are out
there. Let me throw one factthat you were here is that
people that are in the highestlevels of of pesticides in their
body, so we can actually testpeople's pesticide levels, the
people with the highestpesticides have a 300%
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higher risk of dying ofcardiovascular causes, right?
And the public doesn't knowthat. They're not seeing that on
CNN or Fox or whatever theirfavorite station is. They're not
hearing that. They're justhearing the message of, you may
have high cholesterol.
Drug wasn't there speaking ofmoney being an issue. Wasn't
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there a bill that got passedrecently, in the last few years?
I think that was about necessarydisclosures from chemical
companies. But Monsanto itself,which makes the most popular
pesticide in the world Roundup,was was exempted by name, from
having to adhere to the bill. Doyou remember this, you know, I
don't, I don't remember thatspecifically, but, I mean, it's
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really, it's really notsurprising. Again, the power of
industryis, obviously, is essentially
unlimited. Because, I mean, theyjust control everything. So when
you say that, Oh, there's nodata that says that glyphosate,
the main component of Roundup,is dangerous. First of all,
that's factually inaccurate,according to hundreds of
studies. But then you would alsosay, Well, you know, who
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sponsors these studies that saythat glyphosate is innocuous?
Well, of course, it's Monsanto,right? And and their and their
subsidiaries, you know, theirfoundations that they're, you
know, they create, or theseorganizations that are all just
umbrellas for for, you know,pharmaceutical or, or, you know,
big corporations that, again,settle the, you know, sell and
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pedal these, these pesticidesand chemicals in our
environment. And it's reallyjust suppressing the truth and,
you know, and that's, again,that's where the beauty is of
media like this, to be able togo directly to the people, and
that's why I wrote my book withover 300 references in there, to
show people, hey, this stuff isin the medical literature, just
because your cardiologist saysthat fish oil doesn't work.
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Well, let me show you actually20 studies that says it does
work. You know, people say thatthere's no way to naturally
treat atrial fibrillation? Well,I developed a seven part course
on natural treatment of atrialfibrillation, with all the
references in there, so youknow. And Gib, let me tell you
one more thing I was recently. Iwrote a chapter from medical
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textbook on integrativecardiology by Dr Mark Houston,
and I wrote chapter five in thatbook, and it was about nutrition
and heart health, specificallypaleo nutrition. I had 187
references in that one chapteralone.
Wow. So you'd be Your pointbeing that the research is
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there. It's just that the waythat the the way that things are
structured, suppresses theresearch, or that, you know,
it's not getting into theirhands of the right people. Yeah.
I mean, listen, when you whenyou're a cardiologist and you're
seeing patients every 10minutes, you don't got time to
talk about research. You don'tgot time to talk about health
and wellness. You have a timeand say, Hey, Gib, great to see
you. How you feeling. Your testresults came back. Cholesterol
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is a little bit high. Here'syour Lipitor by Right, right,
right? Is that? Say that's allyou. So, okay, so you say, find
a holistic naturopathic doctor.
Where do you start to do that?
Where? What's any you said, Iknow that. You said, find a find
a chiropractic doctor. But youalso mentioned ODS and MDs in
there as well. So what, what arewhat we do? Are there resources
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for people to wherever they are?
Yeah, I mean, I mean, there aresome, I think you know, really
is that you know, you know,social media can be helpful in
the sense that if you reach outto kind of like your Facebook
community, you know, maybe whereyou live, you should be able to
find someone. I think if youGoogle, you know holistic MD
near me, or, you know,functional chiropractor near me,
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you're able to find these thisinformation pretty quickly. The
next thing you want to do iscall up the office of that
doctor and ask to speak to thedoctor. Hey, you know, my name
is My name is Jack, and I'minterested in in holistic
approaches, or naturalapproaches to hypertension. Is
this something your doctor canhelp with? You know? Or I heard
that chiropractic is great forblood pressure, or,
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you know, you know,cardiovascular issues, atrial
fibrillation, you know, is, youknow, can speak to the doctor,
you know, regarding this. Youknow, the cheapest thing is a
consult. Go interview somebody,if you like them, stick with
them if you don't move on. Yeah.
So what sort of factors? I mean,I guess we've touched on a
couple of them. But are thereany additional specific factors
that you should be looking forwhen you when you actually do
that consult Well, I think youknow, once again, you got to be,
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you know, with a person that youare. You know you feel, feel a
congruence with, you know thatyou resonate with. And you know,
fundamentally, do you like thatperson or not? I mean, you can
go see a heart surgeon. If youdon't like that heart surgeon,
you should not.
Get treatment from that heartsurgeon. I think you have to
have compatibility, you know,with, with, with every person in
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your life. Otherwise theyshouldn't be in your life if
you're incompatible. So, youknow, I mean, once again, you
know, just kind of like beingprepared to kind of ask those
questions, you know, how do youthink that chiropractic will
help my atrial fibrillation? Isthere any food or supplements or
lifestyle, you know, changesthat you think can help my blood
pressure and ask those samequestions of the functional
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medicine doctor. But I think ingeneral, by definition, those
people are uniquely designed tobe able to and uniquely trained
to be able to help younaturally. Yeah, yeah. I just,
you know, it feels so hopeless,right? We was, we talked about
moneyed interests and in thetraining, in the in the
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research, and in thelegislation, and so basically,
every major touch point is isobfuscated by people whose
interests are not necessarily inour best interest. Their
interests are in sellingwidgets, and the widgets just
happen to be things that lowerthe symptoms of disease without
dealing with the cause ofdisease, right? So, how do we
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do we have a hope as a society.
I mean, I hear you're saying, asan individual, you can find the
doctors that are that makesense. And I understand that.
You know, I know you're big onorganic food and an a paleo
lifestyle being, you know, a lotof outdoor time, a lot of
exercise.
But are we just as a society?
Are we just year over year,gonna get worse and worse? Now,
I definitely think, I definitelythink there's hope and and, but
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it's really coming from theground, you know, from the
grassroots roots. It's not goingto come from the top. It's not
going to come from the top.
These corporations are not allof a sudden going to stop, you
know, dispensingpharmaceuticals. They have
their, you know, their theirbusiness agenda, their mission,
of course, if your corporation,who's in pharmaceuticals, to
sell more pharmaceuticals, it'sreally just coming from the
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company, from the public, in thegroundswell. You know, kids that
are, that are, you know, 1825,years old right now, a lot of
them, they don't want to besick, like their parents and
like their grandparents. Theydon't want to be swallowing,
yeah, you know, tons of pills.
They want to talk about healthand wellness and the
environment, and they want totalk about natural remedies.
But, you know, this is not the1970s where you go into your
doctor and it's like, you know,my way or the highway. You know,
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take an aspirin and call me inthe morning. I mean, people
again, they're coming in armedwith the information, and
they're asking, Hey, I don'twant to take this cholesterol
drug. What's, what's youralternative plan? You know? What
about this? What about this?
What about this? And again, ifthey're not happy with the
answers, they're gonna move onand find someone that
understands their point of view.
So again, I think it's theinformation age, and there's a
lot of great information outthere. And you know, Gib, when
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people talk about like thesemommy bloggers, and they laugh
about mommy bloggers or DrGoogle. Well, mommy bloggers and
Dr Google takes you to theoriginal medical literature so
you can find out all this stuffabout how important sunshine is
for cancer prevention. I mean,again, you know, you're diving
into the medical literature, andeverybody's able to do it. It's
really, it's, it's a, it's alevel playing field that, but
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it's going to have to come froma grassroots effort. But I think
it's, it's only right, it isonly, you know, our destiny to
as a race, to be able to achievethis. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we
just, we don't have yet ashumanity, we kind of, we need to
begin to take our health intoour own hands. And in the ways
that you're talking about, let'sactually dive into some of the
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stuff that we could be doing.
You are a big fan, you know,we've, we've touched on it. It's
in your it's your book title.
But what are these sort of paleolifestyle choices that we can
all start to make today that'll,that'll help improve our health?
Well, I kind of like, and I lovethe example of the movie cast
away with the actor, Tom Hanks,and he's in the movie, and he
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plays, you know, a guy who wasin a plane crash.
And great movie, and it's reallya great lesson for, you know,
for children as well, to watchthat movie. So, you know, he
winds up as the sole survivor ofa plane crash. He's on that
island, and on the island, helives the island lifestyle,
right? He doesn't have a choice.
So on there, he goes to sleepwith the sun down or right after
the sundown, as humans have donefor millions of years. He awakes
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before the sunrise, he walks,and then he spends the day in
and out of the sun, and all he'sdoing is wearing a loin cloth.
So with that message, we embracethe power of sleep. We embrace
the power of the sun. Weappreciate that all life is
outdoors, in the darkness and inthe light, and it is only the
human that sits inside and then,on the island, heats coconuts,
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you know, fish and vegetablesand, you know, kind of, you
know, we love and as a family,I've got me and my wife and my
three children and fourth one onthe way, we love watching some
of these, like Survivor shows.
Like, yeah, alone, we're reallyinto alone lately, alone. I'm
Naked and Afraid, right? Gib, Imean, like, what are these
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people eating on those shows?
They're they're huntergatherers. On those shows,
they're eating, they're eatinginsects. They're eating, they're
eating any kind of plant matterthey can find. They're eating,
they're eating, of course,trying to obtain seafood. That's
the grand prize, any kind ofanimal they can hunt down or
trap. You know, they'll eat the.
Those they're not eating wheatbread, they're not having
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oatmeal, you know, they're nothaving cereal, you know, for
breakfast, they're not havingpasta. They're not they don't
have any dairy products, youknow, they don't have any sugar
and that. And so really, youknow, it kind of, you know, it's
the same example too. It's like,you know, you don't have to
teach a lion what to eat, or anantelope, you know what to eat,
or a giraffe what to eat. Why?
Why is only the humans thatargue about what to eat? Why is
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there? Why are there? You knowus, News and World Report. Why
do they rank the top 43 diets? Imean, there's only one diet, and
it's hunter gatherer. And themore we achieve that, the better
our health is going to be. Soyou're looking for organic
meats, organic vegetables thatare that are unprocessed,
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nuts and seeds, does that fallinto that? Yeah, I would say
nuts and seeds fall into it.
Probably not by the bulk handfulthat most people are used to
obtaining it, right? If you wantto nut and seed, you know, back
in the day, you had to, kind of,you know, go a little effort,
but everything took a lot moreeffort, right? You know how
plentiful food is today. But no,I mean, just like you said,
Yeah, you know this is not DrJack Wolfson saying, go to
Burger King. Have a DoubleWhopper. Hold on, right? It is
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always about the best of thebest, free range, grass fed
meats, wild seafood and nuts,seeds, avocados, coconuts,
olives, vegetables, seasonalfruit. Everything's got to be
organic. And if you take onemessage out of this entire
conversation, Gib, for thelisteners, it's, it's go
organic, because the pesticideskill pests and they kill us.
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Yeah, I mean, and we, I've seenso much research on that, right?
Where are so many, so manydocumentaries where they talk
about how, even if, even if thestudies show that that the
pesticide in one dose is not, isnot, is not necessarily
dangerous or does not have longterm health consequences. The
amount of pesticides that we getcumulatively in our diet is so
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significant that it becomes,well, I mean, it just, it can be
even just like anything like youcan have a small dose of arsenic
and you'll be fine. You haveenough arsenic, and it kills
you. It's the same thing withthese pesticides. And it's also,
yeah, and it's to the individualperson too, you know, I mean,
again, you know, I mean, somepeople can tolerate more, you
(22:11):
know, chemicals than others. Butagain, the the studies are
sponsored by industry. And youknow, if you, if you're a
university, again, you get a lotof funding from outside sources.
You know. You get it fromindustry as they sponsor. You
know what you're doing. So ifyou're trying to come up with
research that that shows thatglyphosate is dangerous, I mean,
you may as well just quit yourjob, because you're going to get
(22:34):
fired. You're not going to getfunding, right? There lies a
major problem with studies ingeneral, but there is so much
information from independentresearchers that shows that that
all these things we're talkingabout, whether it's air
pollution, environmentalpollutant, mold, mycotoxins,
heavy metal toxicity, and thenthe toxins from food and real
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quickly, you know, you did touchon like the nut and seed story,
and nut and seeds also containanti nutrients called phytates
and lectins, and that is why alot of people, including myself
and my wife, recommend sproutingthe nuts and seeds. So what you
do is that, yeah, you soak themover, you know, you take a bowl
of organic almonds, raw almonds,you put water, you know, into
into that bowl along with thealmonds, put in the
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refrigerator, let it sitovernight, and then discard the
water. And then from there, youcan dehydrate them. You can eat
the nuts as they are. You canadd them to a blender with water
and make nut milk. But that'sprobably the best way to consume
the nuts for a lot of people.
Yeah, so you touched onsomething there too. That was
that it's interesting, like, so,you know, Dr Gundry, yes, he's
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big on the, I forgetthe name of the chemical, but
you just said it, it's the,it's, it's in,
it's the lectin, you know, ittalks about, I mean, but again,
you know, I mean, us naturaldoctors have been talking about
lectins, you know, you know, forthe longest time. When I first
met my wife, who's all holisticand natural as a physician, you
know, back in late 2004 that'sone of the thing. The thing, you
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know, first thing she told meabout was about lectins and what
a problem they were. So theresearch on that actually goes
back a long time. It actuallygoes back 1000s of years,
because cultures have known thatthey're better off sprouting
what you know, whether it's thegrains, the nuts and seeds in
order to make them moredigestible.
You know, personally, I thinkthat Gundry is recommendations.
I think that a lot of thembecome very cumbersome, and I
(24:24):
think they spill outside of whatis our ancestral diet. I mean,
for me, it's just real simpleeat the ancestral foods that
would have been available if youwant your best outcomes. And you
know, so, so what makes commonsense? Again, we've got 187
references proving it is thetruth. Yeah, well, I mean,
that's, that's okay. So the bookis the paleocardiologist. The
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the website where, where you canget that book as well as a bunch
of others. What's the, what'sthe website for people to follow
up with you? You know, we wantto get people this information
as easy as possible. And thewebsite is free heart book.com.
So just come to free heart book.
Dot com, you pay shipping andhandling,
and otherwise, I mean, the bookis, is half the price you're
gonna find it on Amazon. It's anAmazon Best Seller, hundreds of
(25:09):
reviews, you know,you know, probably 100,000 plus
copies, you know, distributedalready worldwide. And, you
know, again, I want to be ableto, you know, you know, I quit
the main, you know, themainstream cardiology, job
security, you know, and all thatstuff, because I wanted to do
the right thing. I wanted tochange the world from a natural
heart health standpoint. Andagain, just getting out that
(25:30):
information is absolutelycritical. The book is a great
gift, of course, for anybody,instead of buying them a sweater
for the holidays or or a box ofchocolate or alcohol, or, you
know, the old time, you knowcarton of cigarettes. I mean,
give people the gift of healthand wellness. Who's still buying
people cartons of cigarettes?
I'm sure some people are stilldoing it, dude,
(25:54):
I guarantee you, right. Those,those companies are still in
business. I think those of usthat you know that do shop at
holistic places, we kind offorget what it's like to
frequent gas stations andconvenience stores where, again,
yeah, they distribute thoseproducts like candy. Yeah,
that's true. That's true. I justget it. Oh, okay, happy. Merry
Christmas, son. Here's yourpalm. All for one last question,
(26:17):
Dr Wilson and I ask it toeverybody, what is one thing we
can all start doing today thatwill make our lives a whole lot
better? Wow. I mean, obviouslythat list is infinitely long,
but let me just say this, turnoff your Wi Fi at night. Turn
off your Wi Fi at night. Maybeone thing that's simple enough
to do. I mean, again, I can goon about electromagnetic fields
and all of the electricityaround us and how damaging it
(26:40):
is. But if there's one simplestep, just go to your Wi Fi,
press, you know, bank on therouter and turn off your Wi Fi.
That way you don't get the Wi Fiexposure. Remember, the heart,
and the entire body iselectrical, but certainly the
heart, we measure, the EKG, thatis the electricity of the heart.
Wi Fi and all the tech wesurround ourselves damages our
hearts. So do you have to unplugall of my Wi Fi nodes? So I have
(27:04):
a mesh system,you know, listen, I mean, I
don't have a complicated system.
I think there are other peoplethat you know maybe can get more
into that. Because, again, likeI know, you know, security
systems and all that stuff youknow are dependent on Wi Fi. So
let me just say, you know, themore we unplug, and certainly
while we're sleeping, thebetter. So most people sleep
right next to their cell phone.
Yeah, the cell phone is on. TheWi Fi is on. The amount of
(27:27):
electromagnetic radiation thatphone emits is absolutely
catastrophic. And again, it's ascenario. Usually people that
study it are in this right? Isaw a study recently where they
normalized all of the data oncell phone energy and and and
the damaging radiation when itcomes to cells.
(27:49):
And if you normalize the datafor the for the cell phone
companies paying for thestudies, the research
overwhelmingly shows that yourcell phone irradiates you to a
dangerous level. Yeah, I mean,so basically, what you're
talking about is that when youlook at industry sponsored
research versus independentresearch, the vast majority of
the time when it's industrysponsored, its favors industry.
(28:11):
The vast majority of the timewhen it's independent research,
it actually goes againstindustry. So it's all driven by
the almighty dollar. That'scrazy. Well, that is a that is a
sobering way to end this, but Iappreciate your time today. Dr
Wolfson, and I'd love to talk toyou in the future anytime, Gib,
thank you so much. That's it forour show today. Thank you guys
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