December 8, 2024 • 43 mins
Discover the inspiring journey of Hailee (@zestyblonde), a business coach who has transformed her personal challenges into a mission of empowerment.
Learn how cultivating inner certainty and self-trust can be the key to unlocking abundance in your life. We explore the transformative concept of "burning the boat" to fully commit to one's true calling, eliminating safety nets to pave the way for new opportunities. By shifting from control to certainty, Hailee reveals how high-achieving women can approach challenges with openness and confidence. With practical exercises and strategies to align actions with intentions, you’ll gain tools to build self-confidence, recognize past achievements, and bolster resilience for future success.
Venture into the world of quantum leaping to experience rapid success and the identity shifts necessary to achieve it. Through our conversation, Hailee and I outline the "Quantum Leap Protocol," a powerful framework to determine what you want, decide you can have it, and act as if you already do. Discover the impact of certainty in messaging and human design's role in fostering authenticity. With insights into overcoming subconscious blocks, this episode is packed with powerful strategies to refine your sales approach and embrace the version of yourself that aligns with your greatest achievements. Join us as we celebrate Million Dollar Moves and share daily business coaching tips, wrapping up with gratitude for Hailee's valuable contributions and insights.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today we have a fellowbusiness coach.
I always love havingconversations with business
coaches because it's really funto see how every business coach
has their own kind ofperspective and approach to
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their journey and the way thatthey show up for their clients
and serve their clients.
So today we have Haley Passy on.
She is a business coachInstagram zesty blonde love it.
So, haley, I always allow myguests to come on and introduce
themselves, share whatever youfeel called to share about
(00:47):
yourself.
You can give us the whole story, you can just give us bullet
points, whatever feels right foryou.
But who is Haley?
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
everybody.
I am so excited to be here.
Hannah, thank you so much forinviting me on the podcast.
I know we're going to have somuch fun.
Like everybody, you don't needcaffeine today.
We're going to have a blastbecause we're about to kick it
and you're going to getenergized.
So I'm Haley, aka the ZestyBlonde, and you'll learn really
quickly why people call me that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I didn't name myself.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
The Zesty Blonde that came from clients, came from my
husband, came from people in mylife.
They're like you, just girl, youknow how to spice up a room and
I was like thank you very much.
So, anyways, the way I sobacktrack a little bit, a little
, just introduction for me.
So I actually started mycoaching business after having a
(01:43):
really successful marketingagency Close the doors.
On that, it was no longeraligned, it wasn't lighting me
up anymore and I launched mycoaching business after being
homeless for a few months,living with my parents, and then
like just you know, crazy stuffhitting the fan and I have like
a whole story we can dive intoif we want to behind that.
But within 10 months oflaunching my coaching business
(02:05):
we had done over $200,000 inrevenue.
So it happened really, reallyquickly and my whole goal is to
help more God-led women, morefaith-led women who are the high
achievers, who are the highperformance girlies, step into a
rich and relaxed joycompounding business step into a
rich and relaxed joy,compounding business, so be able
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to create those high cashmonths in a way that feels so
juicy, so expansive and sofrigging relaxed.
So that is what I do.
I help women quantum leap fromthat rich and relaxed space and
I freaking love it.
I'm also a mom to an almostone-year-old and I love her so,
so much much.
I could talk about her all day.
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Um, she's so cool.
And then we live.
Right now we live on an acre inGeorgia.
We're looking at moving toTennessee in the near future,
but we have a little.
We call it our suburbanhomestead.
We have ducks, and quail andlike a big old garden and you
know I, I'm all about thathomestead life.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So that's just a little about me.
I keep telling my partner we'regetting ducks and he he keeps
saying no, but he doesn't knowthat it's actually gonna happen,
like they are such prolific eggproducers.
Yeah they're so cute.
Come on like do you eat thequail eggs too?
Interesting.
I've tried quail eggs.
They're very interesting.
(03:26):
They're like so tiny they can'tget over the size of them.
I don't know, I had like such amental block when I was eating
them.
But they're good also.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yep, they just taste like egg.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on.
I'm super excited.
I love having conversationsabout money because we have such
so many mental blocksoftentimes of especially as
women and as business owners oflike, and a lot of times it's
subconscious, right, like.
A lot of times it's it's likeyeah, logically, I know that I
(04:01):
can make money, um, but there'sall of these subconscious blocks
of but can I really make money,can I really be successful?
Can I can make money?
But there's all of thesesubconscious blocks of but can I
really make money, can I reallybe successful, can I really
make a lot of money?
So let's, let's dive into that.
But I also want to justintroduce Haley's human design.
She's a four, six emotionalauthority, manifesting generator
and girl.
You have so many definedcenters.
(04:22):
It's wild.
You have seven out of ninedefined centers.
So I don't know for, for what'sthe word?
Geeks like me, if?
If you know human design well,she has a undefined spleen and
undefined ego and everythingelse is defined, which I love
(04:43):
some, some humans that have thedefined crown and Ajna
personally, and defined rootcenter, because your girl has an
open crown and open root center.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You're going to have to like delve into that with me.
I know surface level humandesign.
I'm like, tell me more.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So I'm excited to talk about that.
We will, I'll pepper it in.
I'm like, tell me more, so I'mexcited to talk about them.
We will, I'll pepper it in.
And then at the end I alsoalways talk like I'll just kind
of pull one piece of your humandesign chart out and I'll share
on that.
That's kind of my how I love toclose my podcast and my one of
my biggest loves is human design.
It's been one of the key thingsthat has shifted so much in my
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life and my business, so I loveto share it with all of my
guests.
But let's talk about let'sstart money mindset.
Then we can talk a little bitabout quantum leaping.
So I'm always very curious ofyour personal story, like what
led you to Well, maybe what ledyou to close your marketing
business.
(05:44):
But then also like what hasyour personal journey on your
money mindset been?
Have you always been someonethat's kind of embodied I can
make a lot of money or was thissomething that you did a lot of
work on?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Oh, okay, which way.
There's so much I can speak toon both of those things, but
let's dive in to.
You need to know a little bitof my background in order to
really know like the moneymindset shifts that have taken
place.
Because I grew up living, youknow, on food stamps, living
being supported by the church,living on Top Ramen and frozen
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peas, because frozen peas werehealthy, you know, and I have
like a very crunchy mom and solike I know that was so painful
for her.
But that was all we could reallyafford, and so I like that's
where what I grew up with,that's what I grew up with, and
I vividly remember times in mylife where my parents, really
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well, we just don't have anymoney at all, so we're going to
have to just make do withwhatever.
Or I remember like we thechurch gave us like a certain
amount of money to go to athrift store to buy clothes,
like I remember those specificinstances and I'm so grateful
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for my.
My parents worked really hard.
They worked really really hard.
They didn't understand money.
They both grew up in withfamilies.
My, my mom grew up in a familywhere, like parents never talked
about money.
My dad grew up in a familywhere they were pretty well off,
but they had 14 freaking kidsso, and most of them were
adopted and so, like, mygrandmother just was collecting
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children, um, but anyways.
So they were well off, but theyhad 14 kids, so it didn't seem
like it, you know, and theynever talked about money either,
cause that was not, that wasnot fancy.
I was not very fancy to talkabout money and my, my
grandmother's very into fancy.
So, anyways, I so they triedtheir hardest and now they're in
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a much better place and I'm sograteful and I love watching
like the transformation that'staken place.
But I vividly remember.
So my first like realinteraction with money was when
I was five years old, and thisactually jumpstarted my
entrepreneurial journey.
And so this is where, like the,the through line, is the
connection.
Um, when I was five years old, Idesperately wanted to take
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ballet classes.
I thought balling, being aballerina, was gonna be like the
coolest thing ever.
I was like I'm gonna be aprofessional baller.
I, from a very young age Haley,knew who she was like.
Yeah, I was gonna be aprofessional baller.
I was gonna be famous andpeople were gonna give me all
the money, like that was, as afive-year-old, this big dream
that I had.
But I, of course, I had to takeballerina classes.
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Yeah, I asked my mom and Ibegged and I begged and I said,
mom, please, and she said wejust don't have the money.
We don't have the money.
So it was a hundred dollars.
Okay, it was a hundred dollarsfor, I think, four months of
ballerina class, as I called itand I was like, okay, well, I'm
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gonna figure it out then, and soI started my first business.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I had business cards and everything they said,
helping hands on them and Ipassed them out to the neighbors
and I got paid like a dollar aquarter here and there to sweep
people's floors and wash theirwindows and weed in their garden
and I worked all summer long sothat I could make this money
and my parents put up half of itBless them, I know they didn't
(09:17):
have it but, I, made $50 in onesummer as a farmer, oh my gosh.
And that was when I like startedto be like, oh, wait a minute,
like I can create whatever Iwant wow and I obviously, like
you, forget that.
You go through experiences likeI was five, so um, but that
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probably served as afoundational piece for why I
closed down my marketing agency,because I realized I was
creating money at the cost ofwhat I really desired.
I was working 60, 80 hours.
I was working with incrediblehumans that I loved, but most of
the work that we were actuallydoing inside of this marketing
agency was business development.
(10:01):
They didn't know what to offer.
They didn't know how toposition themselves.
They didn't know what to offer.
They didn't know how toposition themselves.
They didn't know.
I wasn't just like let me createcontent for you and run ads,
and it was okay.
We need to work on the mindsetpiece of yeah, actually you can
have 200 people coming inthrough an ad.
Do you have the capacity, likeenergetically, to support that?
And so I was like, hmm,interesting, but I I was
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probably 22 at the time, 21, 22.
I was like nobody's going tolisten to me as a coach.
So I really was like and Godreally was putting that on my
heart he was like you want it?
It's nice.
I'm like come on over, this iswhat I want you to do.
And I was like shut up.
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So I ran away from that.
I had a Jonah Jonah moment.
I felt got swallowed by thewhale and like I had to come
into Jesus moment, you know, andI had to.
I went so far into burnout,working so much um, that I had
to close it down, like, like, atthe expense of I was so
exhausted.
I was having to take like threeor four hour naps in the middle
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of the day, which meant I wasstaying up later to complete
things and having to wake upearly, you know.
So it was just this toxic cycleand I realized I needed like
something needed to change.
And my mom called me in themidst of this, like something
needs to change, and she's like,hey, you guys should move to
Georgia.
We were living in Arizona atthe time.
I was like, oh bet, 16 dayslater we're in a moving truck
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driving across the country.
Omg, no, and we didn't have,because I had closed down the
marketing agency and we spentall the money on the move Like
we didn't have any money to buyan apartment or get into an
apartment.
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Even so, we lived with myparents for a few months in
their one bedroom and their tinylittle cabin in the woods with
no internet.
I had to drive to the church 45minutes every day to get
internet to launch my coachingbusiness.
So, anyways, when I finally didthat at the end of that time
period so, anyways, when Ifinally did that at the end of
that time period, we grew really, really quickly.
But it was because of thisdecision that I made that I get
to have, like I get to have mycake and eat it too.
I get to have the money becauseI'm doing what I feel called to
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do and what I feel most alignedwith what I feel God has placed
on my heart.
I know the abundance alwayscomes because of it, and so
making that decision and leaningin right, not just being like
oh well, this would be nice, butleaning fully in, like full
body, there's nothing else thatI could be choosing in this
moment because I've chosen thisso hardcore.
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That made all the difference.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's like the analogy if you've ever heard it of.
Well, I don't know if it'sactually a thing, but I heard it
like burn the boat right.
So like when you're travelingsomewhere and you get to your
island destination, a lot of uswill keep one foot on the boat,
one foot on the island and kindof teeter in between and be like
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this is what I want to do, notsure.
Like the boat is my safety netand that's the.
That's the invitation to burnthe boat, to get rid of, let the
boat float away.
So then you're on that islandand you have no other option,
you have no backup plan.
This is, this is plan A, b, c,d, and and you have no option
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but to be successful if you makethat decision.
I mean, it does still come downto making the decision of this
is.
You know, this is what I wascreated to do, and I love that.
That's part of your story tooof like.
This is truly like what I feltwas placed on my heart and this
is what I was created to do.
I think that there's a lot of,there's a lot of I don't know
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foundation behind that.
There's there's a lot behindthat of believing that this is
this is what you were placed onon this earth to do.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Right, yeah, for sure .
I fully believe money followscertainty, right.
And when we're certain, okay,we're certain about our desire,
this is what I want.
I want to create, you know, 20k, 30k cash fund.
When we're so certain we backthat desire so much, we know
it's going to happen, and so wecan actually relax, right, we
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can open our hands instead ofwhite knuckle gripping, and when
our hands are open, that's theonly time that we can actually
relax, right, we can open ourhands instead of white knuckle
gripping, and when our hands areopen, that's the only time that
we can actually receive.
And so, when I'm working withclients on this because a high
achieving woman, her best, whatshe believes her greatest asset
is, is white knuckle gripping itright, yeah, it's controlling
everything.
And so and we want certainty,not control Certainty is what
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builds well.
Certainty is what invites moremoney in.
Certainty is what makes us amagnet for money, opportunities
and clients.
And so that shift into beingcertain instead of waffling or
being, you know, going back andforth about do I really get to
have this, do I really want this, do I, you know, and then
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trying to control the situationmakes all the difference.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, it does.
So tell me how you, how you go.
How, how does one go frombeginning to shift their mindset
of, like the white knucklegripping, I have to work 80 hour
weeks to be successful, or Ihave to, I have to do everything
and I can't.
(15:34):
Maybe I can't reach out forhelp or I don't have the ability
to like hire help, right, likethat's a reality for some people
.
How does one go from beginningto switch their mindset.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
All of it comes down to cultivating inner certainty.
First, because we the reason wethink we have to work X amount,
or the reason we think we haveto produce X amount and we have
to control these outcomes, isbecause we don't feel like we've
got our own back, which is ahard realization for a lot of
women Like we feel like we haveto control the circumstances
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around us because if we don't,the bad things will happen to us
and we'll be out of control andthen we can't control what we
will do about it.
Right, but when we cultivatethis inner certainty and
self-trust, it becomes a loteasier.
So what I have my clientsexperiment with doing is like
daily self-trust exercises.
You say you want something.
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You say you want to work outevery day.
Why aren't you doing that?
You say you want to eathealthier.
Why aren't you doing it?
That's something that's fullywithin your control, but because
you haven't shifted youridentity of being somebody who
does the thing right, you'resomebody who thinks about doing
the thing.
It's creating more uncertaintywithin you because it's
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something that's completelywithin your scope of influence
Right, or something that youreally easily perceive as within
your scope of influence.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We don't necessarily perceive like more clients and
more money yet we have to get tothat point but we don't
perceive that as within ourscope of influence.
But like, yeah, you say you'regoing to go make yourself a cup
of tea.
You know that that's likecompletely within your control
and completely something you cando with ease.
But you say that and then youdon't do it.
You're cultivating uncertaintyin your ability and so just
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experimenting with, like thoselittle trust exercises to build
that muscle so that you cancultivate more self-trust in the
long term, more self-trust inthe long term, and also looking
back at even just like therecognition of, oh, I've walked
myself through this traumatizingexperience.
You know, I've walked myselfthrough this stretchy space in
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my life.
I've accomplished this Like, oh, I can trust myself.
That wasn't because of anyoneelse, that was because of me,
right?
And I think sometimes as women,we just forget because we get,
we get in it and we keep movingand we, you know all the things
are happening all around us andwe're creating all these things.
We forget what we're capable of, because we just look at as
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part of our daily life or partof what's happened, part of the
past, instead of owning the factthat we are brilliant and have
created so much magic.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You, you are, you're also a Leo, so maybe you'll
resonate with this.
I think I saw on like a Leopost one time, but Leo the lion,
right.
So like our, our, the archetypeof Leo is a lion and lions are
like king of the jungle, one ofthe strongest whatever animals
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in Africa, um, in the zoo, um.
So I saw this post one time andit was something, something
about like remember your power,and that's always stuck with me
and I always just every time Isee that like a lion pops up in
my mind.
But I also I got I have atattoo of a lion on like the
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back part of my arm, and thatwas part of my journey was
remembering, like remember yourpower, remember how much
influence you do have, how muchinfluence you do have, how much
power you do have, how much umcertainty, I guess, in your
language, how much certaintythat I can create within my life
, and and how much I've pulledmyself through and walked myself
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through even the hardest times,even the darkest seasons of my
life.
Like you have done that you,you've made it through, no
matter what we've experienced inour life, so that's a really
beautiful reminder it's.
It's so foundational Like Ithink I know that I can get lost
in so many other pieces of mylife or of my business, but
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that's a really beautifulfoundational piece to remember.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think of a Simba.
Remember who you are.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, exactly.
Oh, my God, maybe that's whereI got it from, no, so let's talk
quantum leaping.
I was telling you before we hitrecord.
I'm like I don't think we'veever talked about quantum
leaping on the podcast before,and it's something, to be honest
, it's something that I knowabout, maybe I've explored it in
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the past, but it's certainlynot something that I would
consider myself an expert on oreven confident enough to speak
on by myself.
So I'm very curious to hearyour perspective, your
definition of it, yourexplanation of it, and then and
then maybe we can share some funstories of either clients that
you've worked with or yourself,but I would love to just hear
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your, your, explanation of it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So I don't delve, like super, into all of the like
spiritual aspects of quantumleaping.
My definition of quantumleaping is you are one place and
then you have no idea how yougot to this point.
That is like blowing your mindright.
Quantum leaping is a life thatblows your mind, a business that
blows your mind, and it canhappen at any time.
(21:10):
Like people take micro quantumleaps every day yeah every day
you wake up like I feel like Igo to bed and I wake up in a
quantum leap and I'm like, ohyeah oh yeah, I, and I often
tell my clients, you know when,if you really want a quantum
leap, you need to just shiftyour identity and, when you like
, go to I'm closing the doors tothis and I'm when I wake up,
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this is the identity.
Like, put it on a littlepost-it note on your bed or on
your, your nightstand, um, andremember who you are.
And I think that that, um, evenjust like that subtle shift,
creates so much space formassive success in a short
amount of time.
Yeah, which really, like whenpeople delve into quantum
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leaping, that's what they'rethey're wanting is a massive
success in a short amount oftime.
Yeah, yeah, they're wanting togo from like oh, it drops in the
bucket to a waterfall.
So I don't know if there'sanything you want me to like
delve in specifically aroundthat, or if you want me to talk
about what I help my like theprotocol I help my clients with
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to quantum leap.
Sure, yeah, let's do that.
So I have this thing called thequantum leap protocol.
Okay, that I teach my clientsand the first thing you need to
do, do and we've actuallyalready talked about this, just
like a little bit, you'll see itkind of just woven in the money
mindset piece as well.
because, truly, if you want toquantum leap your business which
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I'm sure like podcastsspecifically for women in
business um, you want to quantumleap your business.
You want to go from like andwhatever you're making now to 5,
10, x, that Right.
You've got to determine exactlywhat you want.
That's the first step in thequantum leap protocol.
We, as women, always want tolike, exist in the space of good
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enough, because we're scared towant more out of fear of
disappointment, and so we neveractually determine what we want.
And if we don't determine aclear direction, like, we're
going to quantum leap ourselvesoff the cliff right.
Yeah, like you don't even knowwhat you're aiming for Right, so
you need to determine.
Then you need to decide, andthat is where the certainty
(23:32):
comes in.
So determine exactly what youwant, like what would feel so
juicy for you to quantum leapinto, for you to step into right
.
Then decide that you get tohave that.
What is the identity that youneed to claim, not create the
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identity that you need to claim,not create, not like, because
it's not something new to you,it's just something we've been
like ignoring, right, like we're, we're closing one eye and
moving forward and then deliver.
This is where, so, we'vedetermined what we want, we've
decided we get to have it andthen we need to move as if right
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.
This piece is really hard for alot of people because, again,
like, we like to control things,we like to white knuckle grip
it, we like to.
So when we're in the deliberate, we don't fully identify with
this new version of the versionof us who has a multiple six
figure business, the version ofus who has a seven figure
business, the version of us whoeffortlessly invites clients in
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with her messaging, with hercontent.
We're not identifying with thatwoman fully.
We're still identifying withwho we've been.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And so we, when we deliver, still we deliver.
We think more output is what isrequired versus a shift in
energy, so we're just doing okay, cool.
Well, the one the version of mewho makes seven figures in her
business is writing eight piecesof content every day.
She is selling in all thesedifferent spaces, she's creating
new offers.
She's girl.
We are rich and relaxed, rightLike, let's sit down for a
(25:17):
minute.
That's not the vibe.
Maybe she's more clear aboutexactly who she's speaking to.
Maybe she identifies the pathof least resistance for creating
50K this month and leans intothat.
Maybe she feels so excitedabout the work that she is doing
that she is able toeffortlessly create eight pieces
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of content, but not because shehas to, because it feels really
good and it feels like oh yes,I need to get this off my chest,
I need to share this withpeople.
When we move from overflow ofidentity, that's where the
quantum leap takes place.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I love that.
I love that a lot.
You're you're making me thinkof um.
You know, something that I saidis I love hearing how other
business coaches do things,because we do similar things
just in different languaging.
So a huge part of my languagingis is human design, and part of
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human design, we have what'scalled a um, or like a
manifestation process or amanifestation type.
Do you know this?
I've heard it before.
Okay, so it has to do with yourarrows.
If you're looking at your humandesign chart, it's the bottom
right arrow and it's going to befacing right or left, or it's
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also called like yourperspective arrow, I believe,
and you can either have aspecific manifestation process
or a non-specific.
So you are a non-specificmanifester and and basically how
you just described, and it's sobeautiful of you, instead of
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like labeling, like I have tocreate 80 piece 80, gosh, please
don't create 80 in one week.
I mean, maybe, if you want to,eight, some people can do that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And if you want to, yeah, I will never be me.
I'd be like oh yeah, I plannedmy content three months in
advance on my who right, I wishsometimes I'm like man, how's
that feel?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But I can't do I would.
I couldn't do that.
I can barely plan like a weekin advance.
I'm a very it's part of ourmanifesting generator energy, by
the way but like very in themoment, like God.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm laying down the tracks as the train is coming
along Like yeah exactly so.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So non specific is is more so.
How do I want to feel insteadof creating you know X amount of
pieces of content or calling inX amount of clients each week?
It's how do I want to feelcalling in those clients?
What type of clients do I wantto attract?
Not like they're.
You know they're making like$8,000 a week right now and they
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want to make 40, like.
Not the small details, it's howto?
What characteristics do I wantthis client to have?
It's someone that feels reallydriven or someone that feels,
like you know they're stuck intheir life, whatever, whatever
that feeling is for you?
And then, how do you want tofeel versus a specific
manifestor?
Like maybe is definitely is alittle bit more focused on the
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details of the numbers, of howmuch do you want to call in, how
much content do you want tocreate, but finding that balance
between the two of we all likekind of what is it in astrology?
We say, like everyone has allof the zodiac signs in their
profile, no matter if you're aLeo, that's your sun sign, but
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we all have the whole wheelwithin us.
Same thing with human design.
We all have all of it within us.
It's just finding that balanceof a little bit more nonspecific
, a little bit more specific, ofa little bit more non-specific,
a little bit more specific.
But that's what you're makingme think of when we were talking
, when you were talking about it, and it's a, it's a beautiful
reminder and seeing whatresonates with you, like how,
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how does it resonate with you?
I always recommend looking upyour human design chart because
sometimes it's actually theopposite that we feel like is
easier, like it would be so mucheasier if I was a non-specific
manifestor.
It'd be so much easier if I waslike a projector, um, but
working with your unique energyand how that, how that comes up
with you, and then how it feelsin your system, in your body.
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Does it feel expansive, does itfeel light, does it feel
restful?
Like you said, um, does it feel, does it feel aligned?
That's a big word that I use,um, but does it feel aligned
with you?
Is that something I don't knowwhy my camera's going all blurry
Um, is that something thatfeels aligned to you?
So, anyway, there's, there's alittle human design piece.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love it, I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So final question, before we talk a little bit more
about human design.
So final question, before wetalk a little bit more about
human design Anything else thatyou feel like, man?
I really this is something thatI wish that everyone knew.
This is something like if I hadone sentence, one minute to
share a message, what would itbe?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Can we talk about messaging for just a second?
Yeah, can we talk aboutmessaging for just a second?
Yeah, because I I think thatthere are so many women who are
confused about what messaging isand it's actually pulling them
off this trajectory of quantumleaping love it, um and I, and
also creating more money, and Isee so many.
This, like this, is the thing Iwish I could like preach to the
world.
Girl like your I help statementis not your messaging,
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statement isn't even yourmessaging.
You are the movement, you arethe messaging.
And when you can clearlycommunicate and say, okay,
people hire me.
When blank, and you can pourfrom that over like feeling so
certain in that blank, you knowthe blank space, yeah when you
can feel so certain in what youwrite there, when you can be so
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aligned with embodying it beingthe one, that's when your
messaging, like you, get to beless specific in your messaging.
When you're more certain inyour messaging.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And so I think that, like a lot of women are getting
tripped up in this because theynever feel certain enough to
actually be making sales fromtheir messaging, when they're
having like coaches from everycorner, be like you're messaging
.
So the reason you're not makingsales is you're messaging sex.
Your certainty sucks, babe.
When you are more certain aboutwho you are and what you can do
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for people and you pour fromoverflow, that's when you'll see
a quantum leap in your salesand then the money that you're
able to buy in because, again,money loves certainty People
love to give money to people whoare certain.
If you think about humanpsychology and cults, like,
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people love to give money topeople who are certain, people
are drawn to people who arecertain.
The more certain you are notthat you need to be a cult
leader, but the more certain youare, the more people want to
pay you.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I love that.
So you would argue it has lessto do with like.
The structure of like.
This is exactly how you have toword it.
This is this is you know thelike?
Couple words fill in the blank.
Couple words fill in the blank.
It's more so knowing what youoffer and being certain for what
you have to offer.
1000% Love it, love it.
(32:37):
Thank you for bringing cults inthe conversation too.
I love it Feeling we're kindredspirits about like the cult
documentaries.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Lord, let's not go down that rabbit hole.
All right, I'm looking at yourhuman design chart.
Let's see.
We already talked a little bitabout specific, non-specific.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What do I want to talk about?
Tell me about my definedcenters, girl.
I need to know more about that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Sure, so I love that.
I'll always talk about centers.
So our human design centers.
If you're looking at your humandesign body graph chart, it
looks like a body and it has abunch of shapes in it.
So we have two shapes that makeup the head, then we have seven
other shapes and it roughlyalso reflects the chakra system.
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So a lot of the names are thesame.
So, like we have a sacral center, we have a solar plexus, we
have a throat, we have Ajna,which is just your third eye, we
have a crown right, and thensome of them kind of don't like
we have an ego center or a Gcenter and a spleen.
So those are the ones that kindof don't align with the chakra
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system.
Each of these we call themenergy centers.
Each of these energy centersholds its own characteristics,
personality traits, its ownenergy and again, if you're
familiar with the chakra system,we can kind of use that.
So, like the solar plexus is,is our center of.
It's actually like our lifeforce energy center.
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If you're a manifestinggenerator or a generator, you
have a defined solar plexus.
Our root center is ourconnection to grounding.
It's also a pressure center.
It's our connection to, like Ialways think of.
It's kind of our connection tolike, like ancestral work, to
our crown center is ourconnection to well in in the
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chakra system, our connection tothe divine, to God, spirit,
whatever you want to call it.
In human design it's more likeour connection to thoughts and
insights and ideas.
So when you have a definedcenter, I always use the analogy
of a door.
So when we have a closed door,people can still come through
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that door right Like they couldjimmy open the lock, they could
break through the door, but it'sgoing to take a lot more effort
for that person to come through.
We're talking in terms ofenergy.
It's going to take a little bitmore effort for other people's
energy to come into our definedcenters versus our undefined
centers or our open centers.
That door's like halfway openso people can just breeze right
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on through.
Their energy can come right onthrough.
With undefined centers wetypically have the question to
ask ourselves is is this energymine?
So, like with your spleen, youhave an undefined spleen, the
spleen rules instinct, undefinedspleen, the spleen rules
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instinct, intuition, fears andoverall wellness and like
wellbeing.
So let's just say like theshadow side of fear, one of the
questions that I would alwayscoach my clients is if you're
feeling very anxious or you'refeeling very fearful or you're
feeling very worried aboutsomething, whatever that's in
business, right, like I don'tknow you're, you're worried that
you're not going to get enoughclients.
First question is this fearmine, or is this someone else's
(36:05):
fear?
Is this someone like?
Is this my parents fear?
That kind of instilled in me,this lack mindset or this like
just enough mindset and there's,there's an opportunity to do
like in human design we wouldcall it deconditioning and clear
out the other energy of thatperson.
Or we don't always have to know.
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It's not important to knowwhose fear it is, it's just
important to know if it's yoursor someone else's, and we might
need to do that multiple timesthroughout the day.
Like you have a, you have anundefined ego and an undefined
spleen.
So ego is also called our heartcenter.
It's a willpower center.
It's also one of our motorcenters to like where we get
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energy from.
But it's really surroundinglike community and material
wealth, and oftentimes actually,as I'm saying this, oftentimes
one of my favorite ways thatI've had undefined centers
explained to me, because we alsosometimes we feel like, ooh, I
need to know, like all of mydefined centers and like all of
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my undefined centers are my weakspots, but they're actually
your opportunities for the mostgrowth in this lifetime.
So, with your undefined ego oflike material, the material
world, material wealth,oftentimes we can look at our
undefined centers for our Iwould argue like I've never
(37:29):
actually worded it this way, butI would argue we could look at
our undefined centers for ourpurpose and our passion in life,
because that's probably whereyou've done the most work or
where you have the invitation todo the most work.
You're still young, we're stillyoung, so maybe we still have
work to do.
We always do.
That's where we have the mostinvitation to learn and grow and
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expand.
Because we have this like, it'salmost like you can understand
other people's perspectives evenmore easily because their
energy is just flowing in youall the time.
Versus our defined centers iskind of like our root, our like
what we naturally possess, andso we can get a little bit stuck
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sometimes that would be ashadow side of a defined center.
Stuck Sometimes, that would bea shadow side of a defined
center.
We could get a little stuck inour way of doing things or are
like with you, like defined Ajna.
Your way of processinginformation is very consistent
and that's a good thing.
It's not a bad thing at all.
I have a defined Ajna too, butit's a very consistent and it
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tends like we tend to processthings pretty similarly
throughout our lifetime versussomebody that has an open Ajna
or an undefined Ajna.
Their processing, their mentalprocessing, might change, that
pattern might change over time.
So that was open, I mean, thatwas undefined and defined
centers.
I love that.
(38:56):
I love that Super interesting,super interesting stuff.
So there's your little humandesign, uh, school, school for
the day.
Um, so where can people findyou?
Where can people follow up withyou?
Where do you hang out the most?
Uh, if somebody wants to followup with you and learn more.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
So I am on Instagram zesty blonde blonde with an E.
So I am on Instagram ZestyBlonde, blonde with an E.
You can also find me onFacebook.
I have a Facebook group calledZesty Empire, so you can join us
over there at your trainings.
I also have a podcast whichwe're going to have you on, and
it's called the Million DollarMoves Show, and on the Million
(39:41):
Dollar Moves Show, we interviewhumans who are making million
dollar moves, what they're doing, what's working, what's not,
and there's a little bit ofcoaching sprinkled in there and
it's so much freaking fun.
As well as on the milliondollar move show, I'm sharing my
million dollar moves.
I'm sharing daily right now,until the end of the year,
business coaching on the podcast, so super juicy.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I love that.
That sounds so fun.
I'm excited for that.
All right, Miss Haley, thankyou so much for coming on.
This is such a fun conversation.
I appreciate your time and yourinsight and your wisdom.
Thanks for having me.
It's been so fun.
Hello, welcome back to the podcast Journey to Well.
So today we have a fellowbusiness coach.
I always love havingconversations with business
coaches because it's really funto see how every business coach
has their own kind ofperspective and approach to
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their journey and the way thatthey show up for their clients
and serve their clients.
So today we have Haley Passy on.
She is a business coachInstagram zesty blonde love it.
So, haley, I always allow myguests to come on and introduce
themselves, share whatever youfeel called to share about
(00:47):
yourself.
You can give us the whole story, you can just give us bullet
points, whatever feels right foryou.
But who is Haley?
Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
everybody.
I am so excited to be here.
Hannah, thank you so much forinviting me on the podcast.
I know we're going to have somuch fun.
Like everybody, you don't needcaffeine today.
We're going to have a blastbecause we're about to kick it
and you're going to getenergized.
So I'm Haley, aka the ZestyBlonde, and you'll learn really
quickly why people call me that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I didn't name myself.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
The Zesty Blonde that came from clients, came from my
husband, came from people in mylife.
They're like you, just girl, youknow how to spice up a room and
I was like thank you very much.
So, anyways, the way I sobacktrack a little bit, a little
, just introduction for me.
So I actually started mycoaching business after having a
(01:43):
really successful marketingagency Close the doors.
On that, it was no longeraligned, it wasn't lighting me
up anymore and I launched mycoaching business after being
homeless for a few months,living with my parents, and then
like just you know, crazy stuffhitting the fan and I have like
a whole story we can dive intoif we want to behind that.
But within 10 months oflaunching my coaching business
(02:05):
we had done over $200,000 inrevenue.
So it happened really, reallyquickly and my whole goal is to
help more God-led women, morefaith-led women who are the high
achievers, who are the highperformance girlies, step into a
rich and relaxed joycompounding business step into a
rich and relaxed joy,compounding business, so be able
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to create those high cashmonths in a way that feels so
juicy, so expansive and sofrigging relaxed.
So that is what I do.
I help women quantum leap fromthat rich and relaxed space and
I freaking love it.
I'm also a mom to an almostone-year-old and I love her so,
so much much.
I could talk about her all day.
(02:47):
Um, she's so cool.
And then we live.
Right now we live on an acre inGeorgia.
We're looking at moving toTennessee in the near future,
but we have a little.
We call it our suburbanhomestead.
We have ducks, and quail andlike a big old garden and you
know I, I'm all about thathomestead life.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So that's just a little about me.
I keep telling my partner we'regetting ducks and he he keeps
saying no, but he doesn't knowthat it's actually gonna happen,
like they are such prolific eggproducers.
Yeah they're so cute.
Come on like do you eat thequail eggs too?
Interesting.
I've tried quail eggs.
They're very interesting.
(03:26):
They're like so tiny they can'tget over the size of them.
I don't know, I had like such amental block when I was eating
them.
But they're good also.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yep, they just taste like egg.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I love that.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on.
I'm super excited.
I love having conversationsabout money because we have such
so many mental blocksoftentimes of especially as
women and as business owners oflike, and a lot of times it's
subconscious, right, like.
A lot of times it's it's likeyeah, logically, I know that I
(04:01):
can make money, um, but there'sall of these subconscious blocks
of but can I really make money,can I really be successful?
Can I can make money?
But there's all of thesesubconscious blocks of but can I
really make money, can I reallybe successful, can I really
make a lot of money?
So let's, let's dive into that.
But I also want to justintroduce Haley's human design.
She's a four, six emotionalauthority, manifesting generator
and girl.
You have so many definedcenters.
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It's wild.
You have seven out of ninedefined centers.
So I don't know for, for what'sthe word?
Geeks like me, if?
If you know human design well,she has a undefined spleen and
undefined ego and everythingelse is defined, which I love
(04:43):
some, some humans that have thedefined crown and Ajna
personally, and defined rootcenter, because your girl has an
open crown and open root center.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You're going to have to like delve into that with me.
I know surface level humandesign.
I'm like, tell me more.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So I'm excited to talk about that.
We will, I'll pepper it in.
I'm like, tell me more, so I'mexcited to talk about them.
We will, I'll pepper it in.
And then at the end I alsoalways talk like I'll just kind
of pull one piece of your humandesign chart out and I'll share
on that.
That's kind of my how I love toclose my podcast and my one of
my biggest loves is human design.
It's been one of the key thingsthat has shifted so much in my
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life and my business, so I loveto share it with all of my
guests.
But let's talk about let'sstart money mindset.
Then we can talk a little bitabout quantum leaping.
So I'm always very curious ofyour personal story, like what
led you to Well, maybe what ledyou to close your marketing
business.
(05:44):
But then also like what hasyour personal journey on your
money mindset been?
Have you always been someonethat's kind of embodied I can
make a lot of money or was thissomething that you did a lot of
work on?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Oh, okay, which way.
There's so much I can speak toon both of those things, but
let's dive in to.
You need to know a little bitof my background in order to
really know like the moneymindset shifts that have taken
place.
Because I grew up living, youknow, on food stamps, living
being supported by the church,living on Top Ramen and frozen
(06:19):
peas, because frozen peas werehealthy, you know, and I have
like a very crunchy mom and solike I know that was so painful
for her.
But that was all we could reallyafford, and so I like that's
where what I grew up with,that's what I grew up with, and
I vividly remember times in mylife where my parents, really
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well, we just don't have anymoney at all, so we're going to
have to just make do withwhatever.
Or I remember like we thechurch gave us like a certain
amount of money to go to athrift store to buy clothes,
like I remember those specificinstances and I'm so grateful
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for my.
My parents worked really hard.
They worked really really hard.
They didn't understand money.
They both grew up in withfamilies.
My, my mom grew up in a familywhere, like parents never talked
about money.
My dad grew up in a familywhere they were pretty well off,
but they had 14 freaking kidsso, and most of them were
adopted and so, like, mygrandmother just was collecting
(07:22):
children, um, but anyways.
So they were well off, but theyhad 14 kids, so it didn't seem
like it, you know, and theynever talked about money either,
cause that was not, that wasnot fancy.
I was not very fancy to talkabout money and my, my
grandmother's very into fancy.
So, anyways, I so they triedtheir hardest and now they're in
(07:43):
a much better place and I'm sograteful and I love watching
like the transformation that'staken place.
But I vividly remember.
So my first like realinteraction with money was when
I was five years old, and thisactually jumpstarted my
entrepreneurial journey.
And so this is where, like the,the through line, is the
connection.
Um, when I was five years old, Idesperately wanted to take
(08:05):
ballet classes.
I thought balling, being aballerina, was gonna be like the
coolest thing ever.
I was like I'm gonna be aprofessional baller.
I, from a very young age Haley,knew who she was like.
Yeah, I was gonna be aprofessional baller.
I was gonna be famous andpeople were gonna give me all
the money, like that was, as afive-year-old, this big dream
that I had.
But I, of course, I had to takeballerina classes.
(08:27):
Yeah, I asked my mom and Ibegged and I begged and I said,
mom, please, and she said wejust don't have the money.
We don't have the money.
So it was a hundred dollars.
Okay, it was a hundred dollarsfor, I think, four months of
ballerina class, as I called itand I was like, okay, well, I'm
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gonna figure it out then, and soI started my first business.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I had business cards and everything they said,
helping hands on them and Ipassed them out to the neighbors
and I got paid like a dollar aquarter here and there to sweep
people's floors and wash theirwindows and weed in their garden
and I worked all summer long sothat I could make this money
and my parents put up half of itBless them, I know they didn't
(09:17):
have it but, I, made $50 in onesummer as a farmer, oh my gosh.
And that was when I like startedto be like, oh, wait a minute,
like I can create whatever Iwant wow and I obviously, like
you, forget that.
You go through experiences likeI was five, so um, but that
(09:40):
probably served as afoundational piece for why I
closed down my marketing agency,because I realized I was
creating money at the cost ofwhat I really desired.
I was working 60, 80 hours.
I was working with incrediblehumans that I loved, but most of
the work that we were actuallydoing inside of this marketing
agency was business development.
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They didn't know what to offer.
They didn't know how toposition themselves.
They didn't know what to offer.
They didn't know how toposition themselves.
They didn't know.
I wasn't just like let me createcontent for you and run ads,
and it was okay.
We need to work on the mindsetpiece of yeah, actually you can
have 200 people coming inthrough an ad.
Do you have the capacity, likeenergetically, to support that?
And so I was like, hmm,interesting, but I I was
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probably 22 at the time, 21, 22.
I was like nobody's going tolisten to me as a coach.
So I really was like and Godreally was putting that on my
heart he was like you want it?
It's nice.
I'm like come on over, this iswhat I want you to do.
And I was like shut up.
(10:47):
So I ran away from that.
I had a Jonah Jonah moment.
I felt got swallowed by thewhale and like I had to come
into Jesus moment, you know, andI had to.
I went so far into burnout,working so much um, that I had
to close it down, like, like, atthe expense of I was so
exhausted.
I was having to take like threeor four hour naps in the middle
(11:09):
of the day, which meant I wasstaying up later to complete
things and having to wake upearly, you know.
So it was just this toxic cycleand I realized I needed like
something needed to change.
And my mom called me in themidst of this, like something
needs to change, and she's like,hey, you guys should move to
Georgia.
We were living in Arizona atthe time.
I was like, oh bet, 16 dayslater we're in a moving truck
(11:32):
driving across the country.
Omg, no, and we didn't have,because I had closed down the
marketing agency and we spentall the money on the move Like
we didn't have any money to buyan apartment or get into an
apartment.
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Even so, we lived with myparents for a few months in
their one bedroom and their tinylittle cabin in the woods with
no internet.
I had to drive to the church 45minutes every day to get
internet to launch my coachingbusiness.
So, anyways, when I finally didthat at the end of that time
period so, anyways, when Ifinally did that at the end of
that time period, we grew really, really quickly.
But it was because of thisdecision that I made that I get
to have, like I get to have mycake and eat it too.
I get to have the money becauseI'm doing what I feel called to
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do and what I feel most alignedwith what I feel God has placed
on my heart.
I know the abundance alwayscomes because of it, and so
making that decision and leaningin right, not just being like
oh well, this would be nice, butleaning fully in, like full
body, there's nothing else thatI could be choosing in this
moment because I've chosen thisso hardcore.
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That made all the difference.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It's like the analogy if you've ever heard it of.
Well, I don't know if it'sactually a thing, but I heard it
like burn the boat right.
So like when you're travelingsomewhere and you get to your
island destination, a lot of uswill keep one foot on the boat,
one foot on the island and kindof teeter in between and be like
(13:03):
this is what I want to do, notsure.
Like the boat is my safety netand that's the.
That's the invitation to burnthe boat, to get rid of, let the
boat float away.
So then you're on that islandand you have no other option,
you have no backup plan.
This is, this is plan A, b, c,d, and and you have no option
(13:25):
but to be successful if you makethat decision.
I mean, it does still come downto making the decision of this
is.
You know, this is what I wascreated to do, and I love that.
That's part of your story tooof like.
This is truly like what I feltwas placed on my heart and this
is what I was created to do.
I think that there's a lot of,there's a lot of I don't know
(13:52):
foundation behind that.
There's there's a lot behindthat of believing that this is
this is what you were placed onon this earth to do.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Right, yeah, for sure .
I fully believe money followscertainty, right.
And when we're certain, okay,we're certain about our desire,
this is what I want.
I want to create, you know, 20k, 30k cash fund.
When we're so certain we backthat desire so much, we know
it's going to happen, and so wecan actually relax, right, we
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can open our hands instead ofwhite knuckle gripping, and when
our hands are open, that's theonly time that we can actually
relax, right, we can open ourhands instead of white knuckle
gripping, and when our hands areopen, that's the only time that
we can actually receive.
And so, when I'm working withclients on this because a high
achieving woman, her best, whatshe believes her greatest asset
is, is white knuckle gripping itright, yeah, it's controlling
everything.
And so and we want certainty,not control Certainty is what
(14:48):
builds well.
Certainty is what invites moremoney in.
Certainty is what makes us amagnet for money, opportunities
and clients.
And so that shift into beingcertain instead of waffling or
being, you know, going back andforth about do I really get to
have this, do I really want this, do I, you know, and then
(15:08):
trying to control the situationmakes all the difference.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, it does.
So tell me how you, how you go.
How, how does one go frombeginning to shift their mindset
of, like the white knucklegripping, I have to work 80 hour
weeks to be successful, or Ihave to, I have to do everything
and I can't.
(15:34):
Maybe I can't reach out forhelp or I don't have the ability
to like hire help, right, likethat's a reality for some people
.
How does one go from beginningto switch their mindset.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
All of it comes down to cultivating inner certainty.
First, because we the reason wethink we have to work X amount,
or the reason we think we haveto produce X amount and we have
to control these outcomes, isbecause we don't feel like we've
got our own back, which is ahard realization for a lot of
women Like we feel like we haveto control the circumstances
(16:09):
around us because if we don't,the bad things will happen to us
and we'll be out of control andthen we can't control what we
will do about it.
Right, but when we cultivatethis inner certainty and
self-trust, it becomes a loteasier.
So what I have my clientsexperiment with doing is like
daily self-trust exercises.
You say you want something.
(16:29):
You say you want to work outevery day.
Why aren't you doing that?
You say you want to eathealthier.
Why aren't you doing it?
That's something that's fullywithin your control, but because
you haven't shifted youridentity of being somebody who
does the thing right, you'resomebody who thinks about doing
the thing.
It's creating more uncertaintywithin you because it's
(16:50):
something that's completelywithin your scope of influence
Right, or something that youreally easily perceive as within
your scope of influence.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We don't necessarily perceive like more clients and
more money yet we have to get tothat point but we don't
perceive that as within ourscope of influence.
But like, yeah, you say you'regoing to go make yourself a cup
of tea.
You know that that's likecompletely within your control
and completely something you cando with ease.
But you say that and then youdon't do it.
You're cultivating uncertaintyin your ability and so just
(17:21):
experimenting with, like thoselittle trust exercises to build
that muscle so that you cancultivate more self-trust in the
long term, more self-trust inthe long term, and also looking
back at even just like therecognition of, oh, I've walked
myself through this traumatizingexperience.
You know, I've walked myselfthrough this stretchy space in
(17:42):
my life.
I've accomplished this Like, oh, I can trust myself.
That wasn't because of anyoneelse, that was because of me,
right?
And I think sometimes as women,we just forget because we get,
we get in it and we keep movingand we, you know all the things
are happening all around us andwe're creating all these things.
We forget what we're capable of, because we just look at as
(18:04):
part of our daily life or partof what's happened, part of the
past, instead of owning the factthat we are brilliant and have
created so much magic.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You, you are, you're also a Leo, so maybe you'll
resonate with this.
I think I saw on like a Leopost one time, but Leo the lion,
right.
So like our, our, the archetypeof Leo is a lion and lions are
like king of the jungle, one ofthe strongest whatever animals
(18:36):
in Africa, um, in the zoo, um.
So I saw this post one time andit was something, something
about like remember your power,and that's always stuck with me
and I always just every time Isee that like a lion pops up in
my mind.
But I also I got I have atattoo of a lion on like the
(19:00):
back part of my arm, and thatwas part of my journey was
remembering, like remember yourpower, remember how much
influence you do have, how muchinfluence you do have, how much
power you do have, how much umcertainty, I guess, in your
language, how much certaintythat I can create within my life
, and and how much I've pulledmyself through and walked myself
(19:27):
through even the hardest times,even the darkest seasons of my
life.
Like you have done that you,you've made it through, no
matter what we've experienced inour life, so that's a really
beautiful reminder it's.
It's so foundational Like Ithink I know that I can get lost
in so many other pieces of mylife or of my business, but
(19:50):
that's a really beautifulfoundational piece to remember.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think of a Simba.
Remember who you are.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, exactly.
Oh, my God, maybe that's whereI got it from, no, so let's talk
quantum leaping.
I was telling you before we hitrecord.
I'm like I don't think we'veever talked about quantum
leaping on the podcast before,and it's something, to be honest
, it's something that I knowabout, maybe I've explored it in
(20:21):
the past, but it's certainlynot something that I would
consider myself an expert on oreven confident enough to speak
on by myself.
So I'm very curious to hearyour perspective, your
definition of it, yourexplanation of it, and then and
then maybe we can share some funstories of either clients that
you've worked with or yourself,but I would love to just hear
(20:43):
your, your, explanation of it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So I don't delve, like super, into all of the like
spiritual aspects of quantumleaping.
My definition of quantumleaping is you are one place and
then you have no idea how yougot to this point.
That is like blowing your mindright.
Quantum leaping is a life thatblows your mind, a business that
blows your mind, and it canhappen at any time.
(21:10):
Like people take micro quantumleaps every day yeah every day
you wake up like I feel like Igo to bed and I wake up in a
quantum leap and I'm like, ohyeah oh yeah, I, and I often
tell my clients, you know when,if you really want a quantum
leap, you need to just shiftyour identity and, when you like
, go to I'm closing the doors tothis and I'm when I wake up,
(21:33):
this is the identity.
Like, put it on a littlepost-it note on your bed or on
your, your nightstand, um, andremember who you are.
And I think that that, um, evenjust like that subtle shift,
creates so much space formassive success in a short
amount of time.
Yeah, which really, like whenpeople delve into quantum
(21:55):
leaping, that's what they'rethey're wanting is a massive
success in a short amount oftime.
Yeah, yeah, they're wanting togo from like oh, it drops in the
bucket to a waterfall.
So I don't know if there'sanything you want me to like
delve in specifically aroundthat, or if you want me to talk
about what I help my like theprotocol I help my clients with
(22:18):
to quantum leap.
Sure, yeah, let's do that.
So I have this thing called thequantum leap protocol.
Okay, that I teach my clientsand the first thing you need to
do, do and we've actuallyalready talked about this, just
like a little bit, you'll see itkind of just woven in the money
mindset piece as well.
because, truly, if you want toquantum leap your business which
(22:39):
I'm sure like podcastsspecifically for women in
business um, you want to quantumleap your business.
You want to go from like andwhatever you're making now to 5,
10, x, that Right.
You've got to determine exactlywhat you want.
That's the first step in thequantum leap protocol.
We, as women, always want tolike, exist in the space of good
(23:06):
enough, because we're scared towant more out of fear of
disappointment, and so we neveractually determine what we want.
And if we don't determine aclear direction, like, we're
going to quantum leap ourselvesoff the cliff right.
Yeah, like you don't even knowwhat you're aiming for Right, so
you need to determine.
Then you need to decide, andthat is where the certainty
(23:32):
comes in.
So determine exactly what youwant, like what would feel so
juicy for you to quantum leapinto, for you to step into right
.
Then decide that you get tohave that.
What is the identity that youneed to claim, not create the
(23:55):
identity that you need to claim,not create, not like, because
it's not something new to you,it's just something we've been
like ignoring, right, like we're, we're closing one eye and
moving forward and then deliver.
This is where, so, we'vedetermined what we want, we've
decided we get to have it andthen we need to move as if right
(24:19):
.
This piece is really hard for alot of people because, again,
like, we like to control things,we like to white knuckle grip
it, we like to.
So when we're in the deliberate, we don't fully identify with
this new version of the versionof us who has a multiple six
figure business, the version ofus who has a seven figure
business, the version of us whoeffortlessly invites clients in
(24:41):
with her messaging, with hercontent.
We're not identifying with thatwoman fully.
We're still identifying withwho we've been.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And so we, when we deliver, still we deliver.
We think more output is what isrequired versus a shift in
energy, so we're just doing okay, cool.
Well, the one the version of mewho makes seven figures in her
business is writing eight piecesof content every day.
She is selling in all thesedifferent spaces, she's creating
new offers.
She's girl.
We are rich and relaxed, rightLike, let's sit down for a
(25:17):
minute.
That's not the vibe.
Maybe she's more clear aboutexactly who she's speaking to.
Maybe she identifies the pathof least resistance for creating
50K this month and leans intothat.
Maybe she feels so excitedabout the work that she is doing
that she is able toeffortlessly create eight pieces
(25:38):
of content, but not because shehas to, because it feels really
good and it feels like oh yes,I need to get this off my chest,
I need to share this withpeople.
When we move from overflow ofidentity, that's where the
quantum leap takes place.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I love that.
I love that a lot.
You're you're making me thinkof um.
You know, something that I saidis I love hearing how other
business coaches do things,because we do similar things
just in different languaging.
So a huge part of my languagingis is human design, and part of
(26:15):
human design, we have what'scalled a um, or like a
manifestation process or amanifestation type.
Do you know this?
I've heard it before.
Okay, so it has to do with yourarrows.
If you're looking at your humandesign chart, it's the bottom
right arrow and it's going to befacing right or left, or it's
(26:35):
also called like yourperspective arrow, I believe,
and you can either have aspecific manifestation process
or a non-specific.
So you are a non-specificmanifester and and basically how
you just described, and it's sobeautiful of you, instead of
(26:55):
like labeling, like I have tocreate 80 piece 80, gosh, please
don't create 80 in one week.
I mean, maybe, if you want to,eight, some people can do that.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And if you want to, yeah, I will never be me.
I'd be like oh yeah, I plannedmy content three months in
advance on my who right, I wishsometimes I'm like man, how's
that feel?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But I can't do I would.
I couldn't do that.
I can barely plan like a weekin advance.
I'm a very it's part of ourmanifesting generator energy, by
the way but like very in themoment, like God.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm laying down the tracks as the train is coming
along Like yeah exactly so.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So non specific is is more so.
How do I want to feel insteadof creating you know X amount of
pieces of content or calling inX amount of clients each week?
It's how do I want to feelcalling in those clients?
What type of clients do I wantto attract?
Not like they're.
You know they're making like$8,000 a week right now and they
(27:58):
want to make 40, like.
Not the small details, it's howto?
What characteristics do I wantthis client to have?
It's someone that feels reallydriven or someone that feels,
like you know they're stuck intheir life, whatever, whatever
that feeling is for you?
And then, how do you want tofeel versus a specific
manifestor?
Like maybe is definitely is alittle bit more focused on the
(28:21):
details of the numbers, of howmuch do you want to call in, how
much content do you want tocreate, but finding that balance
between the two of we all likekind of what is it in astrology?
We say, like everyone has allof the zodiac signs in their
profile, no matter if you're aLeo, that's your sun sign, but
(28:44):
we all have the whole wheelwithin us.
Same thing with human design.
We all have all of it within us.
It's just finding that balanceof a little bit more nonspecific
, a little bit more specific, ofa little bit more non-specific,
a little bit more specific.
But that's what you're makingme think of when we were talking
, when you were talking about it, and it's a, it's a beautiful
reminder and seeing whatresonates with you, like how,
(29:08):
how does it resonate with you?
I always recommend looking upyour human design chart because
sometimes it's actually theopposite that we feel like is
easier, like it would be so mucheasier if I was a non-specific
manifestor.
It'd be so much easier if I waslike a projector, um, but
working with your unique energyand how that, how that comes up
with you, and then how it feelsin your system, in your body.
(29:29):
Does it feel expansive, does itfeel light, does it feel
restful?
Like you said, um, does it feel, does it feel aligned?
That's a big word that I use,um, but does it feel aligned
with you?
Is that something I don't knowwhy my camera's going all blurry
Um, is that something thatfeels aligned to you?
So, anyway, there's, there's alittle human design piece.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love it, I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So final question, before we talk a little bit more
about human design.
So final question, before wetalk a little bit more about
human design Anything else thatyou feel like, man?
I really this is something thatI wish that everyone knew.
This is something like if I hadone sentence, one minute to
share a message, what would itbe?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Can we talk about messaging for just a second?
Yeah, can we talk aboutmessaging for just a second?
Yeah, because I I think thatthere are so many women who are
confused about what messaging isand it's actually pulling them
off this trajectory of quantumleaping love it, um and I, and
also creating more money, and Isee so many.
This, like this, is the thing Iwish I could like preach to the
world.
Girl like your I help statementis not your messaging,
(30:40):
statement isn't even yourmessaging.
You are the movement, you arethe messaging.
And when you can clearlycommunicate and say, okay,
people hire me.
When blank, and you can pourfrom that over like feeling so
certain in that blank, you knowthe blank space, yeah when you
can feel so certain in what youwrite there, when you can be so
(31:02):
aligned with embodying it beingthe one, that's when your
messaging, like you, get to beless specific in your messaging.
When you're more certain inyour messaging.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
And so I think that, like a lot of women are getting
tripped up in this because theynever feel certain enough to
actually be making sales fromtheir messaging, when they're
having like coaches from everycorner, be like you're messaging
.
So the reason you're not makingsales is you're messaging sex.
Your certainty sucks, babe.
When you are more certain aboutwho you are and what you can do
(31:38):
for people and you pour fromoverflow, that's when you'll see
a quantum leap in your salesand then the money that you're
able to buy in because, again,money loves certainty People
love to give money to people whoare certain.
If you think about humanpsychology and cults, like,
(31:59):
people love to give money topeople who are certain, people
are drawn to people who arecertain.
The more certain you are notthat you need to be a cult
leader, but the more certain youare, the more people want to
pay you.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I love that.
So you would argue it has lessto do with like.
The structure of like.
This is exactly how you have toword it.
This is this is you know thelike?
Couple words fill in the blank.
Couple words fill in the blank.
It's more so knowing what youoffer and being certain for what
you have to offer.
1000% Love it, love it.
(32:37):
Thank you for bringing cults inthe conversation too.
I love it Feeling we're kindredspirits about like the cult
documentaries.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Lord, let's not go down that rabbit hole.
All right, I'm looking at yourhuman design chart.
Let's see.
We already talked a little bitabout specific, non-specific.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What do I want to talk about?
Tell me about my definedcenters, girl.
I need to know more about that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Sure, so I love that.
I'll always talk about centers.
So our human design centers.
If you're looking at your humandesign body graph chart, it
looks like a body and it has abunch of shapes in it.
So we have two shapes that makeup the head, then we have seven
other shapes and it roughlyalso reflects the chakra system.
(33:30):
So a lot of the names are thesame.
So, like we have a sacral center, we have a solar plexus, we
have a throat, we have Ajna,which is just your third eye, we
have a crown right, and thensome of them kind of don't like
we have an ego center or a Gcenter and a spleen.
So those are the ones that kindof don't align with the chakra
(33:53):
system.
Each of these we call themenergy centers.
Each of these energy centersholds its own characteristics,
personality traits, its ownenergy and again, if you're
familiar with the chakra system,we can kind of use that.
So, like the solar plexus is,is our center of.
It's actually like our lifeforce energy center.
(34:14):
If you're a manifestinggenerator or a generator, you
have a defined solar plexus.
Our root center is ourconnection to grounding.
It's also a pressure center.
It's our connection to, like Ialways think of.
It's kind of our connection tolike, like ancestral work, to
our crown center is ourconnection to well in in the
(34:36):
chakra system, our connection tothe divine, to God, spirit,
whatever you want to call it.
In human design it's more likeour connection to thoughts and
insights and ideas.
So when you have a definedcenter, I always use the analogy
of a door.
So when we have a closed door,people can still come through
(34:58):
that door right Like they couldjimmy open the lock, they could
break through the door, but it'sgoing to take a lot more effort
for that person to come through.
We're talking in terms ofenergy.
It's going to take a little bitmore effort for other people's
energy to come into our definedcenters versus our undefined
centers or our open centers.
That door's like halfway openso people can just breeze right
(35:21):
on through.
Their energy can come right onthrough.
With undefined centers wetypically have the question to
ask ourselves is is this energymine?
So, like with your spleen, youhave an undefined spleen, the
spleen rules instinct, undefinedspleen, the spleen rules
(35:44):
instinct, intuition, fears andoverall wellness and like
wellbeing.
So let's just say like theshadow side of fear, one of the
questions that I would alwayscoach my clients is if you're
feeling very anxious or you'refeeling very fearful or you're
feeling very worried aboutsomething, whatever that's in
business, right, like I don'tknow you're, you're worried that
you're not going to get enoughclients.
First question is this fearmine, or is this someone else's
(36:05):
fear?
Is this someone like?
Is this my parents fear?
That kind of instilled in me,this lack mindset or this like
just enough mindset and there's,there's an opportunity to do
like in human design we wouldcall it deconditioning and clear
out the other energy of thatperson.
Or we don't always have to know.
(36:26):
It's not important to knowwhose fear it is, it's just
important to know if it's yoursor someone else's, and we might
need to do that multiple timesthroughout the day.
Like you have a, you have anundefined ego and an undefined
spleen.
So ego is also called our heartcenter.
It's a willpower center.
It's also one of our motorcenters to like where we get
(36:48):
energy from.
But it's really surroundinglike community and material
wealth, and oftentimes actually,as I'm saying this, oftentimes
one of my favorite ways thatI've had undefined centers
explained to me, because we alsosometimes we feel like, ooh, I
need to know, like all of mydefined centers and like all of
(37:09):
my undefined centers are my weakspots, but they're actually
your opportunities for the mostgrowth in this lifetime.
So, with your undefined ego oflike material, the material
world, material wealth,oftentimes we can look at our
undefined centers for our Iwould argue like I've never
(37:29):
actually worded it this way, butI would argue we could look at
our undefined centers for ourpurpose and our passion in life,
because that's probably whereyou've done the most work or
where you have the invitation todo the most work.
You're still young, we're stillyoung, so maybe we still have
work to do.
We always do.
That's where we have the mostinvitation to learn and grow and
(37:54):
expand.
Because we have this like, it'salmost like you can understand
other people's perspectives evenmore easily because their
energy is just flowing in youall the time.
Versus our defined centers iskind of like our root, our like
what we naturally possess, andso we can get a little bit stuck
(38:14):
sometimes that would be ashadow side of a defined center.
Stuck Sometimes, that would bea shadow side of a defined
center.
We could get a little stuck inour way of doing things or are
like with you, like defined Ajna.
Your way of processinginformation is very consistent
and that's a good thing.
It's not a bad thing at all.
I have a defined Ajna too, butit's a very consistent and it
(38:36):
tends like we tend to processthings pretty similarly
throughout our lifetime versussomebody that has an open Ajna
or an undefined Ajna.
Their processing, their mentalprocessing, might change, that
pattern might change over time.
So that was open, I mean, thatwas undefined and defined
centers.
I love that.
(38:56):
I love that Super interesting,super interesting stuff.
So there's your little humandesign, uh, school, school for
the day.
Um, so where can people findyou?
Where can people follow up withyou?
Where do you hang out the most?
Uh, if somebody wants to followup with you and learn more.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
So I am on Instagram zesty blonde blonde with an E.
So I am on Instagram ZestyBlonde, blonde with an E.
You can also find me onFacebook.
I have a Facebook group calledZesty Empire, so you can join us
over there at your trainings.
I also have a podcast whichwe're going to have you on, and
it's called the Million DollarMoves Show, and on the Million
(39:41):
Dollar Moves Show, we interviewhumans who are making million
dollar moves, what they're doing, what's working, what's not,
and there's a little bit ofcoaching sprinkled in there and
it's so much freaking fun.
As well as on the milliondollar move show, I'm sharing my
million dollar moves.
I'm sharing daily right now,until the end of the year,
business coaching on the podcast, so super juicy.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I love that.
That sounds so fun.
I'm excited for that.
All right, Miss Haley, thankyou so much for coming on.
This is such a fun conversation.
I appreciate your time and yourinsight and your wisdom.
Thanks for having me.
It's been so fun.
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