September 24, 2024 • 25 mins
In this episode, Bob sits down with renowned trial lawyer Dan Schar from Santa Cruz to discuss health and wellness in the legal profession. They delve into the challenges lawyers face in maintaining their well-being amidst high-stakes litigation, frequent travels, and the demands of family life. Tune in for insights that can help you prioritize your health while navigating a demanding career.
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Welcome to this episode of the justiceteam podcast on the justice team network.
I'm your host, Bob Simon.
And today we're getting into a deep divewith a very famous trial lawyer named Dan
Schar who comes to us from Santa Cruz.
And we're talking about health andwellness and some of the things that
lawyers don't like to talk aboutand that we should be talking about.
And I, you know, I'm very, I've beenvery much looking forward to this
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conversation because I don't get to seeDan that often unless we go to trial
seminars or sometimes See each otherwith the kids at conferences and things.
Um, so Dan, thanks for coming on.
Yeah, I
mean, it's great seeing you.
Um, came in from Santa Cruz today?
I
did, early this morning, 6am flight.
Woof.
Back home tonight, so.
Well.
You know, this is life, right?
It is life, a lot ofthese in and out things.
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But, um, first time I met Dan inperson was I was trying a case in
Santa Cruz and he knew the judge andthere was this person that looked
like Thor in the back of the room thatjust had a long hair, you know, big
beard and just coming in in a suit.
And I was like, trying totalk, I was like, who is this?
It was Dan Scharr, thetrial lawyer, the local guy.
And just, I mean, I'm getting avery good verdict in that courtroom
and Dan helped us every day becauseyou knew the judge, Judge Burdick,
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who's now private, who's awesome.
Yes.
Yeah.
I just actually,
I, I had mediated a case just acouple of weeks ago with Paul.
Now that I'm first name basiswith him, you know, unless I need
something from him, then it's judge.
Um, so Dan, one of the things we want totalk to you about is how, you know, your
commitment to preventative health, right.
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What that means for you and how, youknow, we do high stakes litigation
and trials flying around a lot.
You know, you're all overthe country doing stuff.
You have a family at home.
How are you able to take care of yourself?
I mean, it's hard.
It's, yeah, it's really hard.
I mean, it's, you know, it's oneof those things where, you know,
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it's, it's high stakes work.
But the fact is, it's like,there's a reason why we engage
in this high stakes work.
It's because we want to enjoy the life.
And, and so really the way that you haveto do it, you just got to find the time.
Um, you know, just like we find the timeto prepare for trial, just like we find
the time to talk to our clients, you haveto, you have to carve out that time and
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you know, nobody's going to do it for you.
And yeah, unfortunately we were inthis profession where health and
wellness usually takes a backseat.
Um, if it's, if it's even in the car.
Um, and so, you know, for me,there's, there's those, I had
to engage in a lot of efforts.
Now, of course, for me, I had, you know,The fortune to have an unfortunate health
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scare a few years ago, you know, and,you know, when you're sitting there and
thinking that your life truly is flashingbefore your eyes on the kitchen floor,
it's sort of, it throws you for a loop.
And so, you know, I had that eventthat sort of triggered my, my, my
journey, but now that I'm in it.
It allows me to sit here and talkto other lawyers and say, Hey,
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listen, you got to just look at this.
You got to do these things andrealize that the amount of time that
you put into your work, you shouldbe meeting or exceeding that amount
in putting it into your personallife and your health and wellness.
So it's just,
but you know, it's, it's hard though.
You know, what's our schedule?
You know, people always ask me like,well, what's your schedule like?
And it's like, well, it's,it's different every day.
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Yes.
Right.
As a lawyer, what we do, youand I, it's different every day.
And then, so it's hard.
To be intentional and plan, when amI going to get my meditations in?
When am I going to get my workout in?
When am I going to get my outdooractivity, which I'm big on
these days, is being outdoors.
So what are some things that, that you'redoing because you're a very healthy dude,
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even though you have the health scare.
If you look at this guy's likeAdonis, if we had to pick a Greek
God, I don't know about that.
I'm trying, man.
I'm trying, I'm tryingto get this guy to blush.
Doesn't work.
But like, what are some thingsthat you do where you can help
folks with just some advice?
So I try on the weekends and first andforemost, you know, my wife is phenomenal.
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Like she gets it.
And so I guess that's, youknow, that's the first thing is,
you know, Find a good partner.
But that being said, she knowsthat on Saturdays or Sundays.
I just need 10 minutesto carve out my week.
And so I can kind of look at it.
Um, and, and know it's like, okay,like this week, this week has been
a difficult week for me to getworkouts in just because I had big
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depots and I had stuff going on.
So that'll mean that the workoutswill get shifted to the weekend.
But if I got that week whereI can look at it, um, I try to
take advantage of my lunch hour.
Um, and that, uh, almost everybody,Is willing to take a lunch hour, so
I've made the decision of pre eating.
So like 1145 I eat while I'm workingso that when noon hits, I get my hour.
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Oh, I like that.
Yeah, my team knows it.
So, you know, I've had that with the team.
It's like, hey, unless it's an emergencysituation, noon to one is no go.
Nothing gets scheduled,nothing gets done there.
And so my team knows thatand I can pre plan for it.
So sometimes I don't eat at 1145.
Let's say, for example, ithits me and I can't do it.
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Well, then I maybe shift thatworkout to a rucking workout
where I'll throw my weightedbackpack on and I'll walk and eat.
So that changes the workout plan.
If I've got my food, I'll swim,I'll run, I'll ride the bike.
Maybe I'll get a workout in athome, those types of things.
So that was something I did is carveout lunch hour for that because it's
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hard for me to get up in the morning.
To work out because my kids get up early.
My son.
My son is
up.
How was your youngest?
He said he's four and he's an alarmclock if he sleeps in past six o'clock.
That's a sleep That's it's almost that's
like the magic numberexactly exactly like today.
I was able to get up.
I was up for 45 days Igot a workout in at 5 a.
m.
You got like 30 45 minute workout in andIt's rare because if I can get up that
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early and be motivated I can do it Butif I if I don't start by 515, I know
the kids are up by six, like clockwork.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So for me, I've shifted away fromrelying on my morning workout.
Um, and you know, I don't try topush things off until the evening
because, you know, one of twothings happens in the evening.
One, I'm either tired and Idon't have the motivation or,
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you know, the energy to do it.
And I'm also, I work out hard and if mybody is not in a position to work out
hard, I'm gonna get hurt if I push it.
Um, but the other big thing is Ilike having dinner with my kids.
I like sitting down and, you know,sometimes it's just chaos, but it's
that, that, that time with them.
And by the time they're down for bed,it's eight o'clock and maybe I'll,
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I'll get something in that evening.
But the best time for me is that lunch
hour.
Yeah.
There's, for me, there's no way after.
Like 5 p.
m.
I just can't do it.
Like it's just kid time and I'm tired.
Well, let's talk about, let's take aswitch and talk about preventative stuff.
Yeah.
Because I know both you and Igo to the same clinic in Denver.
Yep.
Um, and I think it's one ofthe best things I've ever done.
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If somebody forced me, like yougot to go do this and we did it.
My wife and I, and I love it.
Good.
Um, so why don't you tellpeople about that preventative
medicine and how you're using it.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's, it's a,it's a gift that I had an
opportunity to meet Chad, Dr.
Prosimak.
He runs Resilience Code and he worksdirectly with Jeffrey Boone, who's a
cardiologist, um, Boone Heart Clinic.
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Yeah.
And, and these are guys that,you know, this is cutting edge,
cutting, cutting edge stuff.
And I, I didn't realize how muchtesting was available for us until I
got the testing and it's it's shockinghow Reactive medicine is for us.
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You know, we live in the greatestcountry in the world and we have a
reactive medicine that basically sayswe're not going to deal with anything
until Something bad illness has set in.
Chronic illness has set in and weare now not preventing anything.
We are just baking.
We're figuring out how you canlive longer with chronic illness
and that's just not a way to live.
So what I've done with this isI've been seeing Chad and Dr.
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Boone now for, it'll be three years.
Yeah.
Three years in December.
You know, um, got the blood workdone, figured out, you know, what was
going on with a lot of different stuffand just kind of got on the path.
And I've got, I'm healthier now.
I mean, I was a college soccerplayer and I'm in better shape now
than I was when I was, it's funny.
I feel that way too.
It's 19 years old.
Yeah.
You know, could I, am I physically ableto do the things that I could put on 19?
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No.
But if you were to put me on,you know, 19-year-old me, now
19-year-old, me next to 47-year-old me.
Um, 47 year old me is going tobe in better physical condition.
I might not be as fastas 19 year old me, but
I'm in better shape.
And like we do the same thing.
And you know, one thing is apreventative, it like makes sure the
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plaque in your arteries and thingslike jelly and it just dissipates.
Um, I'm on something called Repatha.
Then my doctor put me onas preventative and Dr.
Poon.
And like we went on the, youknow, checking your hormone
panels, all these other things.
So I actually tried theweight loss ozempic for one
week and it made me so sick.
Okay.
That I cannot do it
right.
I was like, yeah, that's not for me.
But we, I, for the first timein the past few weeks, I started
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testosterone injections, right?
Mm-Hmm . And I feel amazing, right?
Like, 'cause it was a low scoreand I was like, you know, 'cause
I'm taking a lot of stress.
Well, you're what, 44?
44?
44?
Yeah.
I mean,
yeah, right around that age.
Because they say that's acritical age where you start
to age is like 45 and then 60.
And I felt it, you know, it's likeI'm working on a lot, but not a lot
of energy, not a lot of results.
And I eat pretty good, just, you gotkids though, you're eating chicken
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nuggets and scraping food, right?
And it's hard.
So I felt a big changewith that kind of stuff.
And you know, they, they reevaluate, youdo blood panels, more physicals and be
able to figure out what's working for you.
Cause everybody's different.
Exactly.
I mean, I've got, I've had more blooddrawn in the last three years than I
think in the first 44 years of my life.
And I mean, I think this is one of thethings that, you know, The way that
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medicine is set up in our country rightnow, it's sort of, it's almost like a four
letter word to talk about medications.
And it's, it's, these are the things thatI think we have to realize that as, as
human beings, there are a select few of usthat are genetically gifted that we don't
develop chronic illness until we're in our70s, And those are the people that live,
you know, you talk about these blue zones,you know, like Loma Linda and Sardinia.
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And these are people that just, you know,they, something's going on with them.
It's, well, it's, it's genetics.
Well, unfortunately, 98 percentof us don't have those genetics.
And the fact is that chronicillness starts setting in, in
our twenties, we don't know aboutit because it's a slow process.
So we get into our forties guys likeyou and I, And we're still maintaining.
And then we get a bunch of blood drawn andit's like, Oh my God, like, Hey, you've
got a B levels that are through the roof.
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And I'll be, I'm a, yourcholesterol is under control.
But there's this little thing calledLP little lay that nobody talks about.
That's like the culprit.
Like you hear about people that havehad heart attacks in their thirties,
forties and fifties and they've died.
And you're like, what happens?
It's like, well, there's thislittle thing called LP little
lay that nobody tests for that.
It's the silent killer.
You know, and you find these thingsout and it, There has to be a proactive
approach to it and, you know, testingand medications and, you know, for a
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long time, I was like, I don't need this.
I just, you know, diet, diet can help.
But the fact is, is that you're notgonna be able to fight off chronic
illness if you're predisposed to it.
So you've got to know, and this iswhere we can get the blood draws.
You go on the medicationsand you feel better.
And yes, I'm 47 and I dotestosterone supplementation as well.
Because.
I'm 47 and guess what?
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I don't need the testosteroneof a 20 year old, but the body
still wants it and still needs it.
And so I don't think we need tobe as afraid of going down that
path, but we have to be educated.
And if you don't wantto do it, that's okay.
But you know, the ignoranceis bliss stuff is.
is not me
anymore.
And
yeah, and I've learned to a dog.
I was so hesitant just forsome, no, I don't know.
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It was a macho thing orlike, I don't need that.
I'm not going to talk about it.
I'm not going to do it.
It's like, well, why not?
And then, you know, causemy wife's very preventative.
She's been doing thisstuff for a long time.
That's, you know, when she speakson it and does those things.
And then I finally listened toher and I feel a lot better.
So thanks Chrissy.
Cause I finally listened to you.
And you know, a lot more like sheprovides me like different supplements,
different stuff to take and um,you know, and it's a game changer.
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It is, especially for.
Sometimes when we're in trial, forinstance, you can only do so much.
You're at the mercy of the courtschedule and you still have
life before and after court.
And it's hard.
What are some things that you Danshard do during trial that helps
you still be health and wellness?
It's sort of, it takes that,that, that weekend plan.
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And I just expanded out tothe, to the course of trial.
Like, like if I, and,and, and, uh, I'm human.
Trust me.
There's, there's, there are trials.
And, you know, when, when Jacob and Evaand Ansley listened to this podcast, the
trial we had in Oakland, yeah, there werea couple of nights where we ordered pizza.
Like, I'm still a human, but it's,it's sort of like, my wife always says,
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you know, everything in moderation.
And so, um, you know, if you can stickto it during trial, like trial, the
rules get, you know, Relax a little bitbecause it's like, okay, I, I can't get
the lunchtime workouts in because I'mprepping witnesses for the afternoon and
when I get home for the evening, you know,I probably need to prep for tomorrow.
Um, the one thing that I dostick to in trial is sleep.
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And it's funny, I agree withthat because people are always
like, oh, I sacrifice sleep.
Um, sleep is probably, so sleep ismy workout during trial and, and
so it's, I mean, I, I will try towork out like, you know, Once Friday
afternoon is the session is done.
Yeah, I will crank out and I'llget a good hard run in or a good
hard workout Friday after session.
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And I will work out on Saturdayand Sunday, but during the week,
Sunday night to Thursday night.
Sleep is the workout and, and I'm talkingand you may fall out of your chair.
I'm talking eight hours of sleep.
No, I
look, I agree.
A hundred percent.
Like I'm, you know, as soon as I getdone with most people, travelers,
I don't know why they do that.
Like they want to burn themidnight oil to those things.
Like, no, I'm moreproductive in the morning.
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So what I do is I, after court, Ido my witness prep schedule, do,
you know, prepare my PowerPoint towhere I know I'm going with closing.
Talk to my team and I'moff the grid by 730.
Yeah,
I'm usually nine.
I'm a
9pm
to 5am.
I know I'm going to get up at five.
I know that what's going to happen is Iwill snap awake and so that's why I know
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I got to go to bed a little earlier.
Um, and so yeah, that's sort of my, andunless I'm in Santa Cruz, I usually will
stay like even if I'm going to try acase in San Jose, I'll stay in San Jose.
Um, and my wife and family,like that's their sacrifice and.
Um, you know, and I appreciatethe support that I get from them.
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I mean, I FaceTime with them everynight, but they know that that's
what's going to happen so that I cando, get the work in, get the sleep in.
Um, because yeah, I mean, it's, ifyou're doing what we're doing, and
even if you're, you know, a newtrial lawyer, if you are trying
a case, you're prepared enough.
Like, I know you may not feel that you'reprepared enough, but you're prepared
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enough that you do not need to be burning.
Yeah.
Cause then you start overthinking.
You're overthinking it.
Yeah.
And then you just can't do that.
But you know, you do need to havetechnical prep stuff for the next day.
I do agree on, but yeah.
And that's why the preparationI think is, is key to that.
But I'm big thing.
I have to get sleep and I overly hydrate.
Yes.
I drank a lot of water and I tried tolike make a big, big point of that.
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Yeah.
Throughout the, uh, when Iget up throughout the day,
nothing I've been doing is.
I just get up and chug like threeglasses of water before I do anything.
Just pre hydrate, yeah.
It's not so stupid or easy, but it
works.
Yeah, I mean there's nothing, I shouldn'tsay there's nothing wrong with drinking a
ton of water, obviously, you know, there'saspects, but when I say, you know, you
get up and you drink a couple glasses ofwater, that's going to cause you no harm.
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I mean, and that's, it's, it's,yeah, it's, you gotta do it.
And I mean, cause this is thething we don't think about.
And I know for me, if I don'tdrink enough, I'm going to get
headaches and then my performancegoes down and it just, it's that.
That cycle.
And so, you know, the other thing too,I mean, I, and I don't drink anymore
anyway, but even when I was still adrinker, I didn't drink during trial.
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Um, I used to have that, but itwas more of a superstition for me.
But now what I do is I have at leastone drink every day sandwiches for you.
She still does.
When she was, when she wasat, we were in orange County
office, we'd make one every time.
But I had to say, I have a tuna fishsandwich and care the same thing.
Same thing.
That's my trial diet.
Yeah.
No, but the thing is everything inmoderation and I've never built,
I would say the SIF is the onlyone that operates in absolutes.
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So you can't absolutely say this isthe best thing and to cut this out or
do that, do what works for you, man.
Well, that's exactly
it.
It's sort of the same thingwe were talking about before.
You know, you and I, you and I, I meanthe, the testing and the steps that
we've undertaken for our own health andwellness, you know, is towards the apex.
I mean, we're, we're, we're,we're, we're on Everest with this
and not everybody can get there.
And I'm not saying thateverybody has to be there.
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But for me, and what I tell almosteverybody that I come across,
it's like you will find out somuch through your blood and the
tests are not that expensive.
Yeah, it's a little bit of aninconvenience, but they're not that
expensive and get that knowledge
and then you can decide and make sureyou go to somebody that can actually
know the right panels and what tolook for and to be preventative.
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Like, you know, prostatecancer runs in my family.
I get it checked all the time tomake sure, you know, and like I
even had my seven year old daughter.
My seven year old daughter who's adopted,so we don't have the privilege of having
like the genealogy and stuff like that.
And so we have to, we have to know.
So I had her tested recentlyand it was, you know, she hates
needles, it was traumatic.
But like, I had someone detailed readall those panels to see because we don't
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know some genetic markers and thank Godeverything's fantastic, you know, and
there's some little things that she can dothat shouldn't be a game changer for her.
But why not do that with children?
You know, um, there's nothing,I mean, it's, yeah, it's
ignorance is, it's not bliss anymore.
I mean, it's dangerous and it's like,I know the genetic markers that I have.
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And I know the, you know, the congenitaldefect that I had in my heart that
created all these issues that.
I didn't think I had.
So
now
I've got
this
insight.
Especially a collegiate soccer player.
Yeah.
I never think I would have known, right.
Not only that,
but a technical, I mean, dude, I, inmy twenties, I probably logged between.
five and 10, 000 scuba dives.
And many of those werelong decompression dives.
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Like there was a lot of things thatshould have happened to me because of the
condition that I had that didn't happen.
And it didn't catch up with me until I was44 and I'm still in great shape when I was
44, but it's like finding that now I know.
So like when my kids get to an age wherethey can be tested for not only the
genetic issues, but possibly congenitalissues, thankfully the congenital issue
is not hereditary, just, just bad luck.
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You know, it has nothing to dowith anything my parents did
wrong or anything my parents had.
But it's a conditionthat I now know exists.
So yeah, my kids will get tested for that.
They'll get tested forthe genetic abnormalities.
Hopefully, everything that'sthat's there can either be treated,
you can be proactive with it.
And if it's if it's not, I should saymaybe cured, but if it can't be cured,
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it can be managed through medication.
And, you know, this is, this issort of the way medicine, I think,
should be proceeding forward.
Because if you're waiting for the chronicdisease to catch up with you and then
you're treating it, all you're reallydoing is living with chronic disease.
Maybe we should
try to
prevent
it.
Yeah.
And that's, you know, a lot of our friendsnow, we have gotten on the plane to take
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them to the Boone Heart Clinic and Dr.
Pressmac.
So if you guys are listening, we givea shout out to like, who's, you know,
transformed our lives and thank you.
So some of the things, youknow, advice for our, you
know, viewers, listeners, etc.
Just some practical things youcould be doing tomorrow, right?
So I'll say, I'm a big into hydration.
Everybody knows I drink.
I have a bourbon talk show.
I still do in moderation, like I knowwhat my limit is, even though we sometimes
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do four episodes a day and it's a lot.
I prepare myself and makesure that we can do that.
I'm a big believer in being outside.
I think it's, there's ahappiness thing to it.
I live by the beach.
I try to get into thewater as much as I can.
It's very therapeutic and calming for me.
Every time I go, I'm like, this isthe best thing I could be doing.
And it's 15 degrees warmerdown here than it is.
Oh dude, it's been warm.
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For the Pacific, it's been warm here.
But it's been nice.
Um, but I think that, and alsopreventative medicine, I'm actually,
you know, on a regimen of medication.
It's not a crazy ton, but it's,I've noticed a substantial change.
Yeah.
In mood, appearance, happiness.
That's it.
Yeah.
I mean, I would agreewith all those things.
And then putting in the one thingthat we haven't really talked, touched
on directly, but it's sort of, isoverlaying everything, is, is the
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mental health component of things.
Two things that I started to implementand again, I'm human I don't I wish I
could tell you I do this 100 percentof the time, but I try my best is
Two additional things that I'veimplemented is gratitude journals,
which I take five minutes a day and itjust basically write down What are the
three great things that happened today?
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What are three things that I learned andwhat would make tomorrow great and it
takes you five minutes You can just go onAmazon and type in gratitude journal you
write it down and the other thing too Andyou'll love this and Christina love this.
I know Monique loves it When I'mdone with work, whether I work
at home or work in the office Thefirst time I see my wife or my kids.
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It doesn't matter what kind of dayI had It's always a positive comment
Yeah, I
find whatever pot I couldhave had terrible day.
It could have lost a summary joke.
Something could have happened duringwork that made the day terrible.
The first thing that comes outof my mouth to my wife and kids
is something positive and it
frames up the rest of the day.
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And we do the same thing whenyou wake up in the morning.
Yes.
Every big hugs, big hugs,big love is what we do.
And then positivity, right?
If, cause like today, this morning, myfour year old came out, she was, She
came down really upset and crying becausemy two year old got up and put on the
new Descendants movie And she's like,how could you start this without me?
There's this whole big thing That's we'regonna go back up to your room have a
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little reset that little you time and shecame down ten minutes later It's a daddy.
I'm sorry I gave a hug and was justchanged change it But if you let that
that come out the way like I like thatman, that's it's those little things
and that's as Pammy honestly, it's likeKids like they take their cues from us
and it's just like if we make a big dealabout it and I work on it cause I've
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got a four and seven year old as well.
And in the seven, the seven yearold is takes things personally.
And if the four year old and the fouryear old, he's a boy, he doesn't care.
He's just, everything is chaos.
We're all four
year olds inside.
Yes, exactly.
And so, you know, they take ourcues and if we make a big deal about
something, then they make a big deal.
Whereas if we take that, it'slike, Hey, let's just do a reset.
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And yeah, it's usually better.
We're the ones, theadults that let it linger.
And yeah, we
overreact.
And I would, I would actually, Itell my children, I apologize for
overreacting or being this way.
And I always tell them, don't,I've, there was this one book.
I never read it, but it's calleddon't sweat the small stuff.
I tell them all the time,guys, this doesn't matter in
the grand scheme of things.
Look what's happened.
We, I show them our cases all the times.
They'll call, this is the horrorand things that can happen.
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We have a blessed life.
This is not.
It's not having this toythat I may be able to share.
Not a big deal.
Is it right?
It doesn't work all the time,but you're probably batting
10 percent on that one.
Maybe lower,
but I'll take the 10%.
But I want to thank Dan.
Dan is a spearheading atLottie Graw this year.
The health and wellness trackhas a lot of good speakers and
talent coming to help with that.
Education like this and actually workshopideas with people on how they can get
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better Um, and I know dan's at santa cruz.
He's a fantastic trial lawyerHe's on attorney share.
You can drop them cases on there.
You can find them.
Um at char silva.
com What are what other wayscan they reach out to you?
So I also do work with nick nickrallies from tl4j trialers for justice.
I do that Um, and so yeah, this thisis this fall is going to be kind of a
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busy fall Um, i'm not only going to bedoing the health and wellness track at
laudigrass I'm also going to be teachingat TLU, Travelers University in Vegas.
Um, we're going to be doing, um,case framing and sort of getting
people to sort of the plug and play.
You know, it's, I think one of thethings that lawyers lose sight of is,
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you know, they get these cases and theyjust don't know what to do with them.
So we're going to take the approachof how we case frame, but also there's
always going to be that overarchingoverlay of, you know, Humanity, health
and wellness, and, and, and utilize.
So if anybody's
been, I've been to thetrial by human workshops.
They just had one in Montana recently.
I've been in the one in Santa Barbara.
Barbara, you've been in Atlanta.
You've been in Boston.
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You've been in Iowa.
I think we did Des Moines, yeah.
And then, yeah, we did Montana.
And next year, fingers crossed,we're going to do Santa Cruz.
Love it.
Um, yeah.
I was just
talking to Jacob this weekend.
He was at my house to seeif we can do in Ireland.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Which would be pretty cool.
I used
to live there, you know.
No way.
I did.
We'll talk about that off camera.
Dan's an interesting dude.
I didn't know he was.
Deep scuba diving, whatever the crapyou're doing, but trial by humans.
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Fantastic.
As they teach you how to be abetter human and a trial lawyer.
And I've been throughthe workshops before.
Phenomenal.
And Dan's an instructor there.
So you can find them a trial by human,reach out to Dan shard directly.
Yep.
And then what's your, uh, contact infofor folks want to find you in the best
way?
I don't, I'm, I'm old school.
I don't do social media at all.
Um, you can text me.
Sorry if I put my number on it.
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Go for it.
Go for it.
It's a 408.
540 8343.
Do not call me.
I will not answer.
I'm the same way.
Never call me.
Text me and let me knowwho you are, what you need.
I'm really good at gettingback to people on text.
And I will definitely say that is true.
Well, Dan Sharpe, thanks for coming onthis episode of Justice Team Network.
I think it's very informativeand I really enjoyed it.
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I picked up some tips myself.
Thanks, man.
And now he's going to host Tipsand Sips here at Justice HQ.
Yeah, we
got to do that.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you guys.
Welcome to this episode of the justiceteam podcast on the justice team network.
I'm your host, Bob Simon.
And today we're getting into a deep divewith a very famous trial lawyer named Dan
Schar who comes to us from Santa Cruz.
And we're talking about health andwellness and some of the things that
lawyers don't like to talk aboutand that we should be talking about.
And I, you know, I'm very, I've beenvery much looking forward to this
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conversation because I don't get to seeDan that often unless we go to trial
seminars or sometimes See each otherwith the kids at conferences and things.
Um, so Dan, thanks for coming on.
Yeah, I
mean, it's great seeing you.
Um, came in from Santa Cruz today?
I
did, early this morning, 6am flight.
Woof.
Back home tonight, so.
Well.
You know, this is life, right?
It is life, a lot ofthese in and out things.
(00:45):
But, um, first time I met Dan inperson was I was trying a case in
Santa Cruz and he knew the judge andthere was this person that looked
like Thor in the back of the room thatjust had a long hair, you know, big
beard and just coming in in a suit.
And I was like, trying totalk, I was like, who is this?
It was Dan Scharr, thetrial lawyer, the local guy.
And just, I mean, I'm getting avery good verdict in that courtroom
and Dan helped us every day becauseyou knew the judge, Judge Burdick,
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who's now private, who's awesome.
Yes.
Yeah.
I just actually,
I, I had mediated a case just acouple of weeks ago with Paul.
Now that I'm first name basiswith him, you know, unless I need
something from him, then it's judge.
Um, so Dan, one of the things we want totalk to you about is how, you know, your
commitment to preventative health, right.
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What that means for you and how, youknow, we do high stakes litigation
and trials flying around a lot.
You know, you're all overthe country doing stuff.
You have a family at home.
How are you able to take care of yourself?
I mean, it's hard.
It's, yeah, it's really hard.
I mean, it's, you know, it's oneof those things where, you know,
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it's, it's high stakes work.
But the fact is, it's like,there's a reason why we engage
in this high stakes work.
It's because we want to enjoy the life.
And, and so really the way that you haveto do it, you just got to find the time.
Um, you know, just like we find the timeto prepare for trial, just like we find
the time to talk to our clients, you haveto, you have to carve out that time and
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you know, nobody's going to do it for you.
And yeah, unfortunately we were inthis profession where health and
wellness usually takes a backseat.
Um, if it's, if it's even in the car.
Um, and so, you know, for me,there's, there's those, I had
to engage in a lot of efforts.
Now, of course, for me, I had, you know,The fortune to have an unfortunate health
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scare a few years ago, you know, and,you know, when you're sitting there and
thinking that your life truly is flashingbefore your eyes on the kitchen floor,
it's sort of, it throws you for a loop.
And so, you know, I had that eventthat sort of triggered my, my, my
journey, but now that I'm in it.
It allows me to sit here and talkto other lawyers and say, Hey,
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listen, you got to just look at this.
You got to do these things andrealize that the amount of time that
you put into your work, you shouldbe meeting or exceeding that amount
in putting it into your personallife and your health and wellness.
So it's just,
but you know, it's, it's hard though.
You know, what's our schedule?
You know, people always ask me like,well, what's your schedule like?
And it's like, well, it's,it's different every day.
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Yes.
Right.
As a lawyer, what we do, youand I, it's different every day.
And then, so it's hard.
To be intentional and plan, when amI going to get my meditations in?
When am I going to get my workout in?
When am I going to get my outdooractivity, which I'm big on
these days, is being outdoors.
So what are some things that, that you'redoing because you're a very healthy dude,
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even though you have the health scare.
If you look at this guy's likeAdonis, if we had to pick a Greek
God, I don't know about that.
I'm trying, man.
I'm trying, I'm tryingto get this guy to blush.
Doesn't work.
But like, what are some thingsthat you do where you can help
folks with just some advice?
So I try on the weekends and first andforemost, you know, my wife is phenomenal.
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Like she gets it.
And so I guess that's, youknow, that's the first thing is,
you know, Find a good partner.
But that being said, she knowsthat on Saturdays or Sundays.
I just need 10 minutesto carve out my week.
And so I can kind of look at it.
Um, and, and know it's like, okay,like this week, this week has been
a difficult week for me to getworkouts in just because I had big
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depots and I had stuff going on.
So that'll mean that the workoutswill get shifted to the weekend.
But if I got that week whereI can look at it, um, I try to
take advantage of my lunch hour.
Um, and that, uh, almost everybody,Is willing to take a lunch hour, so
I've made the decision of pre eating.
So like 1145 I eat while I'm workingso that when noon hits, I get my hour.
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Oh, I like that.
Yeah, my team knows it.
So, you know, I've had that with the team.
It's like, hey, unless it's an emergencysituation, noon to one is no go.
Nothing gets scheduled,nothing gets done there.
And so my team knows thatand I can pre plan for it.
So sometimes I don't eat at 1145.
Let's say, for example, ithits me and I can't do it.
(05:02):
Well, then I maybe shift thatworkout to a rucking workout
where I'll throw my weightedbackpack on and I'll walk and eat.
So that changes the workout plan.
If I've got my food, I'll swim,I'll run, I'll ride the bike.
Maybe I'll get a workout in athome, those types of things.
So that was something I did is carveout lunch hour for that because it's
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hard for me to get up in the morning.
To work out because my kids get up early.
My son.
My son is
up.
How was your youngest?
He said he's four and he's an alarmclock if he sleeps in past six o'clock.
That's a sleep That's it's almost that's
like the magic numberexactly exactly like today.
I was able to get up.
I was up for 45 days Igot a workout in at 5 a.
m.
You got like 30 45 minute workout in andIt's rare because if I can get up that
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early and be motivated I can do it Butif I if I don't start by 515, I know
the kids are up by six, like clockwork.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So for me, I've shifted away fromrelying on my morning workout.
Um, and you know, I don't try topush things off until the evening
because, you know, one of twothings happens in the evening.
One, I'm either tired and Idon't have the motivation or,
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you know, the energy to do it.
And I'm also, I work out hard and if mybody is not in a position to work out
hard, I'm gonna get hurt if I push it.
Um, but the other big thing is Ilike having dinner with my kids.
I like sitting down and, you know,sometimes it's just chaos, but it's
that, that, that time with them.
And by the time they're down for bed,it's eight o'clock and maybe I'll,
(06:32):
I'll get something in that evening.
But the best time for me is that lunch
hour.
Yeah.
There's, for me, there's no way after.
Like 5 p.
m.
I just can't do it.
Like it's just kid time and I'm tired.
Well, let's talk about, let's take aswitch and talk about preventative stuff.
Yeah.
Because I know both you and Igo to the same clinic in Denver.
Yep.
Um, and I think it's one ofthe best things I've ever done.
(06:53):
If somebody forced me, like yougot to go do this and we did it.
My wife and I, and I love it.
Good.
Um, so why don't you tellpeople about that preventative
medicine and how you're using it.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's, it's a,it's a gift that I had an
opportunity to meet Chad, Dr.
Prosimak.
He runs Resilience Code and he worksdirectly with Jeffrey Boone, who's a
cardiologist, um, Boone Heart Clinic.
(07:15):
Yeah.
And, and these are guys that,you know, this is cutting edge,
cutting, cutting edge stuff.
And I, I didn't realize how muchtesting was available for us until I
got the testing and it's it's shockinghow Reactive medicine is for us.
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You know, we live in the greatestcountry in the world and we have a
reactive medicine that basically sayswe're not going to deal with anything
until Something bad illness has set in.
Chronic illness has set in and weare now not preventing anything.
We are just baking.
We're figuring out how you canlive longer with chronic illness
and that's just not a way to live.
So what I've done with this isI've been seeing Chad and Dr.
(07:58):
Boone now for, it'll be three years.
Yeah.
Three years in December.
You know, um, got the blood workdone, figured out, you know, what was
going on with a lot of different stuffand just kind of got on the path.
And I've got, I'm healthier now.
I mean, I was a college soccerplayer and I'm in better shape now
than I was when I was, it's funny.
I feel that way too.
It's 19 years old.
Yeah.
You know, could I, am I physically ableto do the things that I could put on 19?
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No.
But if you were to put me on,you know, 19-year-old me, now
19-year-old, me next to 47-year-old me.
Um, 47 year old me is going tobe in better physical condition.
I might not be as fastas 19 year old me, but
I'm in better shape.
And like we do the same thing.
And you know, one thing is apreventative, it like makes sure the
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plaque in your arteries and thingslike jelly and it just dissipates.
Um, I'm on something called Repatha.
Then my doctor put me onas preventative and Dr.
Poon.
And like we went on the, youknow, checking your hormone
panels, all these other things.
So I actually tried theweight loss ozempic for one
week and it made me so sick.
Okay.
That I cannot do it
right.
I was like, yeah, that's not for me.
But we, I, for the first timein the past few weeks, I started
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testosterone injections, right?
Mm-Hmm . And I feel amazing, right?
Like, 'cause it was a low scoreand I was like, you know, 'cause
I'm taking a lot of stress.
Well, you're what, 44?
44?
44?
Yeah.
I mean,
yeah, right around that age.
Because they say that's acritical age where you start
to age is like 45 and then 60.
And I felt it, you know, it's likeI'm working on a lot, but not a lot
of energy, not a lot of results.
And I eat pretty good, just, you gotkids though, you're eating chicken
(09:28):
nuggets and scraping food, right?
And it's hard.
So I felt a big changewith that kind of stuff.
And you know, they, they reevaluate, youdo blood panels, more physicals and be
able to figure out what's working for you.
Cause everybody's different.
Exactly.
I mean, I've got, I've had more blooddrawn in the last three years than I
think in the first 44 years of my life.
And I mean, I think this is one of thethings that, you know, The way that
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medicine is set up in our country rightnow, it's sort of, it's almost like a four
letter word to talk about medications.
And it's, it's, these are the things thatI think we have to realize that as, as
human beings, there are a select few of usthat are genetically gifted that we don't
develop chronic illness until we're in our70s, And those are the people that live,
you know, you talk about these blue zones,you know, like Loma Linda and Sardinia.
(10:12):
And these are people that just, you know,they, something's going on with them.
It's, well, it's, it's genetics.
Well, unfortunately, 98 percentof us don't have those genetics.
And the fact is that chronicillness starts setting in, in
our twenties, we don't know aboutit because it's a slow process.
So we get into our forties guys likeyou and I, And we're still maintaining.
And then we get a bunch of blood drawn andit's like, Oh my God, like, Hey, you've
got a B levels that are through the roof.
(10:34):
And I'll be, I'm a, yourcholesterol is under control.
But there's this little thing calledLP little lay that nobody talks about.
That's like the culprit.
Like you hear about people that havehad heart attacks in their thirties,
forties and fifties and they've died.
And you're like, what happens?
It's like, well, there's thislittle thing called LP little
lay that nobody tests for that.
It's the silent killer.
You know, and you find these thingsout and it, There has to be a proactive
approach to it and, you know, testingand medications and, you know, for a
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long time, I was like, I don't need this.
I just, you know, diet, diet can help.
But the fact is, is that you're notgonna be able to fight off chronic
illness if you're predisposed to it.
So you've got to know, and this iswhere we can get the blood draws.
You go on the medicationsand you feel better.
And yes, I'm 47 and I dotestosterone supplementation as well.
Because.
I'm 47 and guess what?
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I don't need the testosteroneof a 20 year old, but the body
still wants it and still needs it.
And so I don't think we need tobe as afraid of going down that
path, but we have to be educated.
And if you don't wantto do it, that's okay.
But you know, the ignoranceis bliss stuff is.
is not me
anymore.
And
yeah, and I've learned to a dog.
I was so hesitant just forsome, no, I don't know.
(11:39):
It was a macho thing orlike, I don't need that.
I'm not going to talk about it.
I'm not going to do it.
It's like, well, why not?
And then, you know, causemy wife's very preventative.
She's been doing thisstuff for a long time.
That's, you know, when she speakson it and does those things.
And then I finally listened toher and I feel a lot better.
So thanks Chrissy.
Cause I finally listened to you.
And you know, a lot more like sheprovides me like different supplements,
different stuff to take and um,you know, and it's a game changer.
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It is, especially for.
Sometimes when we're in trial, forinstance, you can only do so much.
You're at the mercy of the courtschedule and you still have
life before and after court.
And it's hard.
What are some things that you Danshard do during trial that helps
you still be health and wellness?
It's sort of, it takes that,that, that weekend plan.
(12:24):
And I just expanded out tothe, to the course of trial.
Like, like if I, and,and, and, uh, I'm human.
Trust me.
There's, there's, there are trials.
And, you know, when, when Jacob and Evaand Ansley listened to this podcast, the
trial we had in Oakland, yeah, there werea couple of nights where we ordered pizza.
Like, I'm still a human, but it's,it's sort of like, my wife always says,
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you know, everything in moderation.
And so, um, you know, if you can stickto it during trial, like trial, the
rules get, you know, Relax a little bitbecause it's like, okay, I, I can't get
the lunchtime workouts in because I'mprepping witnesses for the afternoon and
when I get home for the evening, you know,I probably need to prep for tomorrow.
Um, the one thing that I dostick to in trial is sleep.
(13:08):
And it's funny, I agree withthat because people are always
like, oh, I sacrifice sleep.
Um, sleep is probably, so sleep ismy workout during trial and, and
so it's, I mean, I, I will try towork out like, you know, Once Friday
afternoon is the session is done.
Yeah, I will crank out and I'llget a good hard run in or a good
hard workout Friday after session.
(13:28):
And I will work out on Saturdayand Sunday, but during the week,
Sunday night to Thursday night.
Sleep is the workout and, and I'm talkingand you may fall out of your chair.
I'm talking eight hours of sleep.
No, I
look, I agree.
A hundred percent.
Like I'm, you know, as soon as I getdone with most people, travelers,
I don't know why they do that.
Like they want to burn themidnight oil to those things.
Like, no, I'm moreproductive in the morning.
(13:49):
So what I do is I, after court, Ido my witness prep schedule, do,
you know, prepare my PowerPoint towhere I know I'm going with closing.
Talk to my team and I'moff the grid by 730.
Yeah,
I'm usually nine.
I'm a
9pm
to 5am.
I know I'm going to get up at five.
I know that what's going to happen is Iwill snap awake and so that's why I know
(14:10):
I got to go to bed a little earlier.
Um, and so yeah, that's sort of my, andunless I'm in Santa Cruz, I usually will
stay like even if I'm going to try acase in San Jose, I'll stay in San Jose.
Um, and my wife and family,like that's their sacrifice and.
Um, you know, and I appreciatethe support that I get from them.
(14:31):
I mean, I FaceTime with them everynight, but they know that that's
what's going to happen so that I cando, get the work in, get the sleep in.
Um, because yeah, I mean, it's, ifyou're doing what we're doing, and
even if you're, you know, a newtrial lawyer, if you are trying
a case, you're prepared enough.
Like, I know you may not feel that you'reprepared enough, but you're prepared
(14:51):
enough that you do not need to be burning.
Yeah.
Cause then you start overthinking.
You're overthinking it.
Yeah.
And then you just can't do that.
But you know, you do need to havetechnical prep stuff for the next day.
I do agree on, but yeah.
And that's why the preparationI think is, is key to that.
But I'm big thing.
I have to get sleep and I overly hydrate.
Yes.
I drank a lot of water and I tried tolike make a big, big point of that.
(15:13):
Yeah.
Throughout the, uh, when Iget up throughout the day,
nothing I've been doing is.
I just get up and chug like threeglasses of water before I do anything.
Just pre hydrate, yeah.
It's not so stupid or easy, but it
works.
Yeah, I mean there's nothing, I shouldn'tsay there's nothing wrong with drinking a
ton of water, obviously, you know, there'saspects, but when I say, you know, you
get up and you drink a couple glasses ofwater, that's going to cause you no harm.
(15:35):
I mean, and that's, it's, it's,yeah, it's, you gotta do it.
And I mean, cause this is thething we don't think about.
And I know for me, if I don'tdrink enough, I'm going to get
headaches and then my performancegoes down and it just, it's that.
That cycle.
And so, you know, the other thing too,I mean, I, and I don't drink anymore
anyway, but even when I was still adrinker, I didn't drink during trial.
(15:56):
Um, I used to have that, but itwas more of a superstition for me.
But now what I do is I have at leastone drink every day sandwiches for you.
She still does.
When she was, when she wasat, we were in orange County
office, we'd make one every time.
But I had to say, I have a tuna fishsandwich and care the same thing.
Same thing.
That's my trial diet.
Yeah.
No, but the thing is everything inmoderation and I've never built,
I would say the SIF is the onlyone that operates in absolutes.
(16:17):
So you can't absolutely say this isthe best thing and to cut this out or
do that, do what works for you, man.
Well, that's exactly
it.
It's sort of the same thingwe were talking about before.
You know, you and I, you and I, I meanthe, the testing and the steps that
we've undertaken for our own health andwellness, you know, is towards the apex.
I mean, we're, we're, we're,we're, we're on Everest with this
and not everybody can get there.
And I'm not saying thateverybody has to be there.
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But for me, and what I tell almosteverybody that I come across,
it's like you will find out somuch through your blood and the
tests are not that expensive.
Yeah, it's a little bit of aninconvenience, but they're not that
expensive and get that knowledge
and then you can decide and make sureyou go to somebody that can actually
know the right panels and what tolook for and to be preventative.
(17:00):
Like, you know, prostatecancer runs in my family.
I get it checked all the time tomake sure, you know, and like I
even had my seven year old daughter.
My seven year old daughter who's adopted,so we don't have the privilege of having
like the genealogy and stuff like that.
And so we have to, we have to know.
So I had her tested recentlyand it was, you know, she hates
needles, it was traumatic.
But like, I had someone detailed readall those panels to see because we don't
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know some genetic markers and thank Godeverything's fantastic, you know, and
there's some little things that she can dothat shouldn't be a game changer for her.
But why not do that with children?
You know, um, there's nothing,I mean, it's, yeah, it's
ignorance is, it's not bliss anymore.
I mean, it's dangerous and it's like,I know the genetic markers that I have.
(17:42):
And I know the, you know, the congenitaldefect that I had in my heart that
created all these issues that.
I didn't think I had.
So
now
I've got
this
insight.
Especially a collegiate soccer player.
Yeah.
I never think I would have known, right.
Not only that,
but a technical, I mean, dude, I, inmy twenties, I probably logged between.
five and 10, 000 scuba dives.
And many of those werelong decompression dives.
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Like there was a lot of things thatshould have happened to me because of the
condition that I had that didn't happen.
And it didn't catch up with me until I was44 and I'm still in great shape when I was
44, but it's like finding that now I know.
So like when my kids get to an age wherethey can be tested for not only the
genetic issues, but possibly congenitalissues, thankfully the congenital issue
is not hereditary, just, just bad luck.
(18:25):
You know, it has nothing to dowith anything my parents did
wrong or anything my parents had.
But it's a conditionthat I now know exists.
So yeah, my kids will get tested for that.
They'll get tested forthe genetic abnormalities.
Hopefully, everything that'sthat's there can either be treated,
you can be proactive with it.
And if it's if it's not, I should saymaybe cured, but if it can't be cured,
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it can be managed through medication.
And, you know, this is, this issort of the way medicine, I think,
should be proceeding forward.
Because if you're waiting for the chronicdisease to catch up with you and then
you're treating it, all you're reallydoing is living with chronic disease.
Maybe we should
try to
prevent
it.
Yeah.
And that's, you know, a lot of our friendsnow, we have gotten on the plane to take
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them to the Boone Heart Clinic and Dr.
Pressmac.
So if you guys are listening, we givea shout out to like, who's, you know,
transformed our lives and thank you.
So some of the things, youknow, advice for our, you
know, viewers, listeners, etc.
Just some practical things youcould be doing tomorrow, right?
So I'll say, I'm a big into hydration.
Everybody knows I drink.
I have a bourbon talk show.
I still do in moderation, like I knowwhat my limit is, even though we sometimes
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do four episodes a day and it's a lot.
I prepare myself and makesure that we can do that.
I'm a big believer in being outside.
I think it's, there's ahappiness thing to it.
I live by the beach.
I try to get into thewater as much as I can.
It's very therapeutic and calming for me.
Every time I go, I'm like, this isthe best thing I could be doing.
And it's 15 degrees warmerdown here than it is.
Oh dude, it's been warm.
(19:53):
For the Pacific, it's been warm here.
But it's been nice.
Um, but I think that, and alsopreventative medicine, I'm actually,
you know, on a regimen of medication.
It's not a crazy ton, but it's,I've noticed a substantial change.
Yeah.
In mood, appearance, happiness.
That's it.
Yeah.
I mean, I would agreewith all those things.
And then putting in the one thingthat we haven't really talked, touched
on directly, but it's sort of, isoverlaying everything, is, is the
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mental health component of things.
Two things that I started to implementand again, I'm human I don't I wish I
could tell you I do this 100 percentof the time, but I try my best is
Two additional things that I'veimplemented is gratitude journals,
which I take five minutes a day and itjust basically write down What are the
three great things that happened today?
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What are three things that I learned andwhat would make tomorrow great and it
takes you five minutes You can just go onAmazon and type in gratitude journal you
write it down and the other thing too Andyou'll love this and Christina love this.
I know Monique loves it When I'mdone with work, whether I work
at home or work in the office Thefirst time I see my wife or my kids.
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It doesn't matter what kind of dayI had It's always a positive comment
Yeah, I
find whatever pot I couldhave had terrible day.
It could have lost a summary joke.
Something could have happened duringwork that made the day terrible.
The first thing that comes outof my mouth to my wife and kids
is something positive and it
frames up the rest of the day.
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And we do the same thing whenyou wake up in the morning.
Yes.
Every big hugs, big hugs,big love is what we do.
And then positivity, right?
If, cause like today, this morning, myfour year old came out, she was, She
came down really upset and crying becausemy two year old got up and put on the
new Descendants movie And she's like,how could you start this without me?
There's this whole big thing That's we'regonna go back up to your room have a
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little reset that little you time and shecame down ten minutes later It's a daddy.
I'm sorry I gave a hug and was justchanged change it But if you let that
that come out the way like I like thatman, that's it's those little things
and that's as Pammy honestly, it's likeKids like they take their cues from us
and it's just like if we make a big dealabout it and I work on it cause I've
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got a four and seven year old as well.
And in the seven, the seven yearold is takes things personally.
And if the four year old and the fouryear old, he's a boy, he doesn't care.
He's just, everything is chaos.
We're all four
year olds inside.
Yes, exactly.
And so, you know, they take ourcues and if we make a big deal about
something, then they make a big deal.
Whereas if we take that, it'slike, Hey, let's just do a reset.
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And yeah, it's usually better.
We're the ones, theadults that let it linger.
And yeah, we
overreact.
And I would, I would actually, Itell my children, I apologize for
overreacting or being this way.
And I always tell them, don't,I've, there was this one book.
I never read it, but it's calleddon't sweat the small stuff.
I tell them all the time,guys, this doesn't matter in
the grand scheme of things.
Look what's happened.
We, I show them our cases all the times.
They'll call, this is the horrorand things that can happen.
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We have a blessed life.
This is not.
It's not having this toythat I may be able to share.
Not a big deal.
Is it right?
It doesn't work all the time,but you're probably batting
10 percent on that one.
Maybe lower,
but I'll take the 10%.
But I want to thank Dan.
Dan is a spearheading atLottie Graw this year.
The health and wellness trackhas a lot of good speakers and
talent coming to help with that.
Education like this and actually workshopideas with people on how they can get
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better Um, and I know dan's at santa cruz.
He's a fantastic trial lawyerHe's on attorney share.
You can drop them cases on there.
You can find them.
Um at char silva.
com What are what other wayscan they reach out to you?
So I also do work with nick nickrallies from tl4j trialers for justice.
I do that Um, and so yeah, this thisis this fall is going to be kind of a
(23:25):
busy fall Um, i'm not only going to bedoing the health and wellness track at
laudigrass I'm also going to be teachingat TLU, Travelers University in Vegas.
Um, we're going to be doing, um,case framing and sort of getting
people to sort of the plug and play.
You know, it's, I think one of thethings that lawyers lose sight of is,
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you know, they get these cases and theyjust don't know what to do with them.
So we're going to take the approachof how we case frame, but also there's
always going to be that overarchingoverlay of, you know, Humanity, health
and wellness, and, and, and utilize.
So if anybody's
been, I've been to thetrial by human workshops.
They just had one in Montana recently.
I've been in the one in Santa Barbara.
Barbara, you've been in Atlanta.
You've been in Boston.
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You've been in Iowa.
I think we did Des Moines, yeah.
And then, yeah, we did Montana.
And next year, fingers crossed,we're going to do Santa Cruz.
Love it.
Um, yeah.
I was just
talking to Jacob this weekend.
He was at my house to seeif we can do in Ireland.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Which would be pretty cool.
I used
to live there, you know.
No way.
I did.
We'll talk about that off camera.
Dan's an interesting dude.
I didn't know he was.
Deep scuba diving, whatever the crapyou're doing, but trial by humans.
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Fantastic.
As they teach you how to be abetter human and a trial lawyer.
And I've been throughthe workshops before.
Phenomenal.
And Dan's an instructor there.
So you can find them a trial by human,reach out to Dan shard directly.
Yep.
And then what's your, uh, contact infofor folks want to find you in the best
way?
I don't, I'm, I'm old school.
I don't do social media at all.
Um, you can text me.
Sorry if I put my number on it.
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Go for it.
Go for it.
It's a 408.
540 8343.
Do not call me.
I will not answer.
I'm the same way.
Never call me.
Text me and let me knowwho you are, what you need.
I'm really good at gettingback to people on text.
And I will definitely say that is true.
Well, Dan Sharpe, thanks for coming onthis episode of Justice Team Network.
I think it's very informativeand I really enjoyed it.
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I picked up some tips myself.
Thanks, man.
And now he's going to host Tipsand Sips here at Justice HQ.
Yeah, we
got to do that.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you guys.
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