March 30, 2023 • 49 mins
Chris is back after a suspension and traveling to the CoSN conference. He recaps some of the discussion and overall trending topics from the CoSN conference. He also discusses the fact that he did not appreciate Eric the Intern's love for walking everywhere in Austin (and other Eric antics).
Josh talks about the 3CX phone system vulnerability that was published 3/29/2023 by CrowdStrike and Red Canary. Hint - If you have a 3CX phone system, you will want to look this issue up and mitigate it right away.
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this is the K-12 Tech Talk podcast I
believe it is episode
112. The Gang is back together I am Josh
with me part-time is Chris say hi Chris
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hello
and with me more times than not is Mark
hey Mark hello hi
so it has been several weeks since we've
been back together right guys Chris is a
hot minute your off suspension did you I
guess you had your meeting with Sue
yeah and Sue gave me that cake oh that's
right yeah I apologized
uh both verbally but also via a letter
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oh yeah chat GPT
that's probably in your permanent file
now
um have you talked to Jeremy lately
because he sent over some information
about a new uh system that they are
selling what what is that
they have X360 Cloud Solutions storage
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stuff going on they can back up your
Google workspace I know this because he
spammed me today with an ad
I got it too
thanks Jeremy so you can email sales at
somethingcool.com or Jeremy at
somethingcool.com to learn all about
their Cloud solution to back up your
Google workspace
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yes yeah that's an interesting thought
process
um it has been a busy week we we are at
Threat Level three for tornadoes
tornadoes damaging winds and tornadoes
tomorrow
um there's a buzz going around that
schools are canceling school half day
it's on the threat of tornado so I don't
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remember that ever happening before
um
what is kind of going on in the world of
K-12 Tech Guys Mark has disappeared he's
I think Mark left Chris what's been
going on anything fun and exciting
I uh I mean I'm I'm still recovering
from the coast and trip with Eric
uh
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uh and I mean I don't know that I ever
want to go on a trip with Eric again oh
he's a lot
um
he's a good guy he he he he is a great
guy and I I couldn't keep up with him
well so he if you ever see him at the
Midwest Tech talk conferences
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he's literally like running all the time
or he's fast walking yes and I always
thought
oh that's Eric at conferences because
you know we're organizing them and he's
like a main point of contact when it's
like the day of stuff right he's
hustling surge bars and yeah
whatever no that's just how he walks
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like he he walks with purpose even if
it's for for like hey hey bro you just
got up like you're just walking to the
kitchen
and I I don't do that and like we land
we and then he like
one of his big things was like he and I
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I mean we kind of talked about this but
he likes to walk so he's like hey I
think I'm gonna go out and find a trail
cool
uh I like to use vehicles
uh to get the places but we can we can
take a trail are we are we advertising
for a new intern now we need to be
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uh so I we did that I walked with him
one of the days it was raining
oh man and then like we're walking
and then he'd be like oh step aside
that's because there's people riding
bikes and running like I don't I don't
hang out where people ride bikes and run
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Eric
and that's how we would go around and
then he does this thing and I think you
you're I think you would be like this
Josh he he has airport anxiety oh yeah
yeah yeah yeah and I completely think
you would be like this yes Eric if
you're listening to this I'm being
absolutely honest this is me telling
like I'm I'm not holding back anything
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the airport he's like I only get anxiety
going to the checkpoints he was he was
anxious the whole time
like it wouldn't matter what we're and
he'd be like oh no that's this line it's
this line it's this Eric just it's not a
big deal bro
and like you know those checkpoints it's
as whatever is it's gonna be you set
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your pace you're you're taking your
rings off and your belt off whatever and
Eric's like deciding in the morning what
he's going to wear basically yeah
absolutely
decide what type of shoes I'm wearing
that morning so I can take them off
easily in the checkpoint Eric and I are
cut from the same cloth so we did that
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and then he does this thing where like
we're going out to dinner and he's like
hey I'll get this and we can share it
Eric I don't want to share with you I'm
almost 40 years old I got a wife and
three kids you think I want to share a
taco with you right now
sharing
he did that to me like three times
you think I want to share chalupa with
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you bro
it was fine
it was a good trip
laughs
I have to say Eric and I and our wives
had dinner I guess two nights before you
all or the night before you guys left
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for Austin we went on a ghost hunt
um we had a dinner at a very nice
restaurant in Jefferson City and uh went
on a ghost hunt at the State
Penitentiary and I had none of this
experience that you're speaking of with
Aaron and he told some stories about you
though no whatever like you're really
into that ghost stuff it was fun it was
a blast
if you're in Missouri or you come to
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Missouri I highly recommend the tour at
the Jefferson City State Penitentiary I
I'm convinced
that I never want to fly with you and
Eric combined I think Mark can Mark and
I can figure it out
but I don't know if if I had to take a
trip with you with Josh and Eric
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I'm so excited to pick the two of you up
at the airport I I text you and I said
when I fly I look around me at the
people around me and know who I'm going
to be on the cover Magazine with if the
plane goes down
like that's how my brain works I don't
know I think I need to commit right now
to having a recording device in the car
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when I picked the two of you up for the
airport exactly after we land it's fine
Landing is the worst part for me I know
but like I wanna I wanna hear what you
guys have to say about each other
well Chris we are we will not be on the
same plane because he is from Dallas he
we won't we won't be riding together I
will be on I will be on the K-12 Tech
talk uh private jet
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um
so anyways Kosten was good that's the
long story short
yeah so you guys talked to all sorts of
cool people
um Keith and Marlo and all of those
awesome folks that were willing to sit
down with you and Eric and have a
conversation about current trends in
K-12 if you have not listened to those
episodes
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um episode 111 part one and two are all
of those
um episodes from coast and Tom Ryan
makes an appearance I'd recommend
skipping that interview yeah he had some
kind of he's great man not a harsh words
about Mark but like what didn't he say
he wanted to punch you in the throat or
something like yeah
yeah yeah and I was like my mom listens
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to this once in a while
sure
was willing to sit down for a little bit
um let's see who else did you guys talk
to Yeah Yeah from San Antonio Marlo
Gaddis super nice I like Marlo's
interview the best honestly I will say I
mean I know I know Tom was pretty brutal
to me but you have you interviewed all
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my favorite people in the world oh I
have a Tom shariar like really and Keith
like just great people
I think more highly of you based upon
the people
that know you wow
is that that was right yeah that was
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that was nice and they're they're
incredibly impressive people uh Eva just
started as CIO and she's already just
Making Waves across country Marlo has
been CIO she's retiring this spring and
she has made waves for for years so
uh just two amazing people so very cool
congrats Chris yep it's a good time it's
great times and did you name drop Mark
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when you were talking to Keith like
ahead of time like to set him up for the
interview I thought that would be a
negative oh okay I'm all right I want to
drop I mean I dropped my Mark's name at
dinner tonight with my uncle from
Michigan who doesn't know who Mark is so
we go way back
um so yeah Kosen it sounded like you
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guys had a really really good time and
hopefully hopefully Keith if you're
listening
um we will be invited to Kosen in Miami
next spring
uh so if you were not on Reddit
yesterday or if you do not get sizza
alerts or MSI SEC alerts and you have a
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3cx phone system
um you need to go look up uh go go do
some Googling about the 3cx
vulnerability with their soft phone app
on desk Windows computers uh there is a
major vulnerability it's
um kind of it's been Making Waves I
think crowdstrike and Huntress Labs
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broke the news yesterday I follow
Huntress labs and uh Katie Nichols from
Red Canary on Twitter and that's how I
saw it I think Miss Nichols shared it uh
the the Reddit link from crowdstrike and
uh it's a pretty serious vulnerability
uh so if you run a 3cx phone system you
definitely want to check this out and
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take precautions Chris you don't run 3cx
right but we we do know uh several
schools that run 3cx in our area so uh
they were uh they were hopping on it
yesterday when it when the news broke on
that
um excuse me
let's see what else
so Mark do you you had an agenda item
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about the co-son article about
partnering with social media
um and how do you handle imposters
yeah so there was an article
um it was um from actually online
publication but it was based off of a
presentation at kosin about social media
uh and it sparked a little bit of a
conversation internally for us
um talking about the the heart of the
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article is really uh or the heart of the
conversation was about school districts
need to be able to partnership create
Partnerships with social media companies
because social media is creating
quite a bit of a challenge uh for
schools and we really it's kind of like
throwing fishing or throwing uh uh
What's the phrase throwing a message out
and just do a black hole
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um when you try to get in touch with a
social media company so curious how you
guys handle
social media incidents in your District
what are some things that you do from a
technology perspective
uh and have you ever had any success
with working directly with social media
companies
boy that's a good one I can't say that
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we have had an incident where we've had
to contact a social media
company for assistance but I do know of
a neighboring District that had to do
that
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um
and the only way they got the attention
of
the social media company was to have a
letter or a fax sent from the local
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police department on Police Department
letterhead to a special number and that
was the only way they got traction with
the social media entity at that time uh
thankfully we and and this was actually
a threat directed at a teacher if I
remember right
um so yeah we thankfully we haven't had
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to deal with that but I do know it is a
giant pain in the rear if it if it comes
to that because they they don't like
talking
um to individuals or talking individuals
or is the wrong phrase but I guess
making themselves available to remedy
Solutions like that
um they don't like doing that
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Chris anything from you
just I mean and we probably all do this
but you know we we block Social Media
stuff within the school district right
and on our on our devices that leave and
go home so we at least always tend to
know that that's being okay uh
the hope there would be and I've talked
to schools that try to say that that can
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be okay that you have Twitter opened up
because of the resources that can be
there in the live news updates and blah
blah blah and that kind of banter But
ultimately you're at least keeping your
kids safe and in that environment of
where you're protecting them there we've
had kids they'll try
we've not had like the threat to serious
stuff like that but we've had the kids
that do the bullying stuff or do the I'm
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acting like I'm a principal and I'm
going to post these things
um completely agree that there's not
like the number that you just usually
call and that's not even worthy of a
phone call I would say like that's
you're allowed to do that
we've gone through where you're clicking
like to report like hey this is a fake
account or whatever we've had one where
that was enough uh we had a basically a
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couple of us clicked and reported that
and that page got taken down yeah
um so you can kind of try to go that
route uh we've had it before where I had
to do the investigative work we knew
some stuff was floating around
we don't think what's taking place at
school but I would jump into like Google
Vault to search or that page or you know
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are kids talking about it via email or
kids talking about it via chat uh so we
could try to nip it that way
um that investigative kind of research
uh
other than those things I'm not thinking
of anything else yeah it's hard we've
the only time we've ever had things
taken down is when we reach out to
police because of a you know an obvious
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crime or you know threat of violence has
been posted but even then I don't know
if it's the police that got taken down
or it was just you know enough Community
reports and the social media companies
took them down on their own
um but it it's hard and we've had a lot
of
you know borderline incidents right when
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when I say borderline I mean it's not
quite against their terms of service or
their student student interaction and
you can't quite prove that somebody is
under the age of 13 you know on the
social media Services terms of service
um and it's frustrating and you just
kind of hit report and you you hope it
goes somewhere but very very very little
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interaction if not none with with the
social media companies
um and even when you do report something
like I've had some situations I'm like
this is horrific of what these students
have posted and and I'll get a reply
back from the company like no your your
claim has been rejected and it's like
you don't know how much pain and
frustration your platform is causing a
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school a classroom and they just
there's no interaction so it's really
really frustrating and like you Chris
most of it is blocked within schools but
that doesn't mean that the things that
happen outside of school
don't get brought in
I can think about we even had one I
think it was Snapchat
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so our school district has a name you
know like north south east west central
like one of those generic kind of names
and it's in in its name and there was
this snap going around that was a
repeated
someone was taking screenshot and
screenshot shot and sending it and
sending it so a school with our name
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from afar started it
had some kind of weapon thing in it and
it made its way all the way to Missouri
with our school name in it not us yeah
uh but I mean the community was
oh my gosh this is this is the the
threat that's being presented to us yeah
and again if if we're trying to report
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it and do those limited things that we
can do and you know you can send out
your own communication
uh but man if there was just an easier
thing to go about stopping that uh
because three of us I mean we we've done
all the all the work to prove that this
is not valid or or that it is valid
whichever way you want you want to look
at it but there's no work to go with it
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yeah besides you you're well and that's
always that funny thing too how will you
get the word out via social media which
is the thing that you're trying to tell
kids tonight like right mess with like
you're kind of this double-edged sword
of a thing or whatever whatever you want
to say yeah no I don't I don't know what
the solution is I I don't think that
social media companies have any interest
in having a liaison and taking on some
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ownership for this I don't I don't see
Facebook and Instagram and
uh Twitter and snap I don't in Tick Tock
especially they're they're not going to
have a liaison to your school district
and so it it's really really frustrating
um and I hate to say that you're kind of
on your own when there's a social media
issue but right now K-12 districts
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really are on their own if an incident
does not rise to criminal activity
yeah and I you know it's it's
interesting I think that's where
um like we're my district is lucky
enough to have a PR person and I think
that's where some of those relationships
that those PR people like because
there's National entities and I know
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cousin has worked with Inspira the I
don't know what the acronym means but
it's like the National Organization for
school PR people
I know cousin has worked with Inspira to
get free
um Twitter verified accounts for school
districts now that was before you know
the last three four months when when Mr
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must took over and kind of changed how
Twitter verified accounts work but
um they were they were working towards a
solution to
have schools have Twitter accounts or
let schools have Twitter accounts that
were verified this is the school's
Twitter account so
um and I know our PR guy has some other
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resources available to him from social
media entities so I think that's where
those those relationships become
important in those National memberships
and those National organizations like
Kosen and like Inspira um do do pay
dividends
um by being a member
um we've even had the
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and it's it's innocent it's for the good
of the cause
uh but say Facebook we have a lot of our
teams that are activities that have
Facebook pages that we have created
um but say one doesn't have one so then
a
uh a mom or a grandma uh whoever they go
out of their way to go ahead and make
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that page and they're they're saying
it's our school it's our school's team
um your logo yeah but it's it's not us
and again that's for the for the good of
the cause as far as where the whether
you're your your your mind and your
heart was that
um but but it's not good right because
in a lot of those cases it doesn't it
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it's not saying the sentences that the
school would say it's not speaking on
behalf of the school but it sure looks
like it's intended to do that and
there's no way for the school
besides trying to re like
I've had that job where I'm supposed to
try to reach out and figure out who's
actually the owner of that and see if we
can get it shut down or take over
ownership right
um but that's all on
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me trying to reach out to a person
doesn't have to talk to me there's no
way for Facebook uh to help me out with
that yeah and and good luck doing that
if the if the person's a jerk and and is
doing it for nefarious reasons they're
not gonna let you have ownership of that
page or you know it's a it's a mock page
or whatever yeah it's uh
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I don't I don't know what the solution
is but it's thankfully we haven't had to
deal with that a lot we had one one time
that
it was a nice lady that had the good
intentions and stuff you know and and
she received well the the point of why
we want to take ownership on is because
when her whatever it was when when the
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kid in her life graduates she's not
going to care to right update that page
anymore so that's why it's important for
the district to have that and she and
she got that right uh so I'm like all
you gotta do is
I'm gonna add you as a friend and then
you gotta add me as a admin or a manager
whatever and then I can take it and and
the whole bit well she couldn't figure
out her Facebook password oh geez uh and
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then she kept hitting the reset email
deal and it's not going to the email
that she thought she had oh geez which
is the whole point right that's the prop
that's the problem
um and again there's no way to fix that
so now that page is
sitting out there and we we can't get it
she can't give it you know that that
kind of thing and again there's no
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Facebook doesn't appear to care right or
any other social media you know who does
care and they care about your network
infrastructure
extreme networks who is that extreme
networks oh yeah that's who
I got uh I received delivery of our last
two extreme networks that were uh
waiting for shipment this week so we're
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super excited about that and getting
those rolled out
um Chris who do people contact if they
want to hear about or learn more about
the some of the best upper right
quadrant in Gartner's survey physical
and wireless converge networking who do
they email and go straight up to the top
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Dominic Mayer D mayor m-a-y-e-r at
extremenetworks.com and they are in that
upper right quadrant of Gartner who you
interviewed
two weeks ago or last week
I thought they were gonna announce like
a new like a fifth a fifth quadrant what
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quadrant I don't know that that's how
quadrants quad
they didn't work that news
um did you guys see this thing this
announcement from uh Microsoft about the
chat GPT cyber security thing
they haven't I didn't click on it they
haven't excuse me they haven't released
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it in the wild yet they're beta in it
um and it will be released soon
apparently but it's called security
copilot they are taking kind of the
security functions of monitoring logs
and stuff like that and wrapping it into
the Mark's favorite thing chat GPT
um this is actually a flavor of gbp4
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um and it's it's uh kind of doing all
this cyber security work for you
um so if you're you're curious about it
do a Google search on security copilot
from Microsoft I watched a video on it
it's uh
it's it takes all that security stuff
all that log monitoring stuff and kind
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of boils it down to language that any
average person can understand uh so I
think it it uh it could go
quite far as far as cyber cyber security
stuff goes in the in the near future
especially with go ahead Mark I didn't I
didn't see a lot of the announcements so
apologize for my ignorance on this one
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but I saw you know a little brief
snippet snippet sorry a little snippet
of it where it was like a chat right
it's very similar like yeah GPT yeah how
does that work with cyber security like
are you supposed to type in have I been
hacked
and then we'll say like no you're fine I
think five minutes later you're like how
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about now
no
are we still okay how about now
no no no problem yeah yeah that would be
me every five minutes hey are we cool
yeah and then you go to lunch and you
come back after lunch like hey I just
got back what'd I miss and I'm like
nothing
that would be you Josh look again please
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are you sure oh hold on a second
no I I honestly don't know how it all
works I obviously I think it ingests
data from I mean being Microsoft you can
assume that it's gonna going to ingest
data from Azure or Azure however you
pronounce it where you live
um Mark how do you pronounce it
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I don't Azure Azure yeah I've heard
people say as you were though I think
they're they're probably French
um you know my my dipstick is
Azure ad
s Azure ad sounds way better than Azure
ID
why did you say dipstick
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well like a dipstick of like here's my
little test right
as you name off one of the products
Azure ad rolls off the tongue way better
than Azure ad I think that's called
litmus test Mark dipstick
div six kind of derogatory what
just move on please okay
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um
I think he was calling us dipsticks
Chris
um so
this is this is one of the differences
between our next to the woods
dipstick is derogatory we're gonna have
to cut this whole segment out so chat
GPT wrote me two grants and a cover
letter this week
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a cover letter for your resume no for
the for one of the grants oh gotcha okay
I got to the internet said please write
a cover letter I was like oh no chat GPT
will you write a cover letter for the
grant
so if you don't know the cops Grant is
open right now right and for the next
what 15 days 30 days or so yeah sounds
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right
um it's a Federal grant for security for
school districts not not cyber security
physical security
um and it's uh I know several schools in
the in our region that have gotten that
Grant before so if you are looking for
grant money for physical security and
and we all know that is at the top of
the list for schools uh check out the
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cops Grant it's administered who's it
administered from
but if you just Google cops Grant you'll
you'll figure it out
um let's talk four to EDR real quick
Chris that's you man always me what do
you know about it
um I know it's made by Fortinet and
instead of the net they put EDR so it's
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40 EDR so EDR Solutions are I'm sure if
you're in K-12 Tech you have heard about
EDR enough this year to make yourself
sick insurance companies are acquiring
it
um consortiums are requiring it it's
it's just at the top of the list for
most school districts right now and of
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course there's any number of flavors out
there there's companies that just smack
EDR in the name of their product and
hope that you don't look at it deep
enough to realize that they really
aren't an EDR it's just regular
antivirus but Florida EDR does not
follow fall into that
classification 40 EDR is uh an
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award-winning EDR they take it very very
seriously there's a couple case studies
out there there's a district in Florida
we'll we'll link this and show no show
nodes but uh the Okeechobee County
School District uh they went ahead and
they bought 40 EDR to qualify for for
their cyber Insurance requirement of
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having EDR uh so if you are interested
in learning more about the Ford EDR
obviously Chris illingsworth our buddy
our pal our friend at Fortinet
um
who absolutely loves our Fortinet
product name suggestions
um he won't tell you that in person
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because you know he's gotta you know
make make
like he's a he doesn't like him but he
he absolutely loves our name suggestions
uh he is our sales guy here in our
region Chris what's the email address
for foreign
podcast at fortinet.com
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so yeah go email Chris that that email
address goes straight to Chris so email
him ask him some questions about the 40
EDR it plays well perfectly honestly
with the Fortinet fortigate firewalls
um it if those two plug together they
can shut down a device if it sees
suspicious traffic on the network or
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trying to get out to the web so email
that address let Chris know you heard
about their products from us
um what else we got automat podcast at
fortinet.com there you go
um have you guys did you guys know that
Google is rolling out
AI in Google workspace documents soon
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ready
um so they are rolling out the you kind
of that AI prompt like if you go to chat
GPT and say write me a resume template
um they are rolling out kind of that
feature set in Google Docs I saw there's
a YouTube video out there about it
um they say it's currently in beta and
they've only rolled it out to key uh
installs of their products but they
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their goal is to roll it out even more
they they showed it writing custom
emails to employees thanking them for
their service and like it was doing it
all it was mind-blowing YouTube video
um I know Mark loves chat GPT
is is this where we're headed like well
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okay so I have I mean I've seen a lot of
announcements about that I've seen all
the it's it's called Bard uh is is
Google's AI version the question I have
is around uh data siloing so if I am
using this AI to finish up a Google doc
or write an email
and this AI is using it's using data it
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has learned
is that data
from within your account is it from
within your organization is it from
outside so if I write an email and
suddenly the AI is not abiding by
my Google doc preferences or my all my
data loss prevention rules like is it
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gonna say is it going to pull
information from somebody else's
Gmail and Google drive or another
district and pull that in so I have real
questions about that sounds cool but how
does it work with
uh data privacy and realistically is it
pulling data just from your account or
your domain
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and how does that work doesn't matter
get over it bro it's happening yeah we
know you hate gbt it's okay
um no no I
I think those are the future Mark they
are valid concerns you either get in or
get out
and I think the the other the other part
of that discussion Mark is from a
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student data privacy
concern is if if GPT is learning from
student input
um how where does that stop how how far
does that spread out if if my son is
using GPT and and giving input to gbt to
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write an article or to write a review of
something
how how do we know that it's not using
that same content in another student's
article
um yeah no I I to me if if Google does
end up rolling out this AI prompt in
Docs
from a school standpoint from a school
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administrator standpoint
I would surely hope that they would have
a setting that would allow you to turn
that off for students but leave it on
for faculty or you know something
something like that like what they did
with YouTube in the the age restriction
thing where you had to go in and say
what ous contained individuals that were
under the age of 18.
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um yeah I there there has to be some
sort of way to restrict the the use well
but more than just a yes or a no I'm
going to allow this but it's for me I'm
wondering if I you know let's say in my
role and Chris is the head of HR if I
ask this AI tool to write an email and
say like oh well I want to know what
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Josh's salary is
is this AI smart enough to know like
well Chris has a Google doc and he
shared it with you therefore it's
reasonable for you to know that
information
or is it smart enough to say well I
don't know that answer because it's not
available to you in your account like
that's practically speaking what I'm
really concerned about sure that's about
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like from a global perspective of like
is this right or is it not right I'm
really thinking practically speaking is
AI going to adhere to my email and my
sharing permissions already and use that
to feed information if it gets dangerous
if it's like so I I have like a salary
doc that I
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found on my own and I've kept it so then
Mark you're asking that question and
then it's like
I don't know the answer but Chris might
know
and you're like oh my gosh
yeah that's there was some some good
discussion at coastin about
how cool it could be how great it could
be how useful it could be if it's like
in your sis where you can just without
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looking at spreadsheets without sorting
spreadsheets sure ask it questions
and and that big the uh I forget who
said it but they said it's going to be
important to ask the the right questions
uh you you might say give me the top 10
teachers
it might give you an answer but you need
to unpack why it decided that and like
yeah yeah are those teachers do they
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have particular kids from particular
neighborhoods with particular things
attached to them that make them the the
more achieving students you know but
again it's AI So in theory you would
think that it gets to that point where
you can ask it proper questions and it's
going to dig and tell you why I mean but
it's go ahead so just Chris thinking
about you saying having that in your
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cyst
to me unless you have the back end to
run that
I don't see that happening in CIS right
for the foreseeable future even because
it does say it does take such compute
power for it one to understand what
you're typing and put that into
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actionable data and pull that data and
then parse that data
I don't for people that have a hosted
CIS you're you're not going to have that
local
um that data is going to have to go out
and come back at some point I don't see
that happening
um
sorry at least right now
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um so Josh you you said something I
forgot I have a trivia question for you
this week oh oh okay cool all right
hold on this is the provision Data
Solutions trivia question of the episode
[Laughter]
go mark
last week Gordon Moore died yes died at
the age of 94. yes what is Gordon Moore
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famous for I know this answer
I know this answer Chris is just like
I'm not even gonna try
it's something like you're gonna say it
and it's like ah
[Music]
yeah
um it's something super rudimentary too
um well my hint is
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that he was uh famous for being the
co-founder of Intel
yeah years ago and during that he made a
statement
I'm Googling it tell it tell us Mark
Moore's Law
wasn't going there
what is law Mark Moore's Law is way back
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and I'm gonna butcher the day but I
think believe is in the 60s when he
stated that the
[Music]
um
that the processor will double in speed
yes every two years
or to be more specific that the number
of transistors
uh will double in a microchip every
every two years or 18 months yeah and
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for the most part he was on point well
up until the very very recent future or
a recent past
recent Moore's Law founder of Moore's
law passed away we're talking about time
travel now boys
[Laughter]
um Chris tell us about absolute
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absolute is a proud new sponsor of the
K-12 Tech Talk podcast uh we're gonna
hang out with them for the next six
weeks uh the contact there uh this guy
Oliver you can email him at oh Schmidt
oh at absolute.com now I like that email
address
I hope I'm saying it right that that's
(38:26):
Oliver you're gonna he's gonna let me
know that I did a terrible job at that
anyways if you don't know what they do
what they are uh we're gonna link to
that of course but here's a little
here's a little tasty taste uh talking
about student data uh reclaiming getting
your Chromebooks back we got one to one
all over the place uh a lot of
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initiatives with one to one giving every
student a device uh absolute software uh
gives you a persistent connection uh
they can help you geolocate freeze why
promote uh devices uh I'm gonna there's
a lot to unpack with them and it's going
to take us the six weeks to unpack it
but I'm gonna put a link uh they have an
education Solutions brief that you can
(39:09):
check out uh but first they will help
you get your Chromebooks back
it's funny you mentioned that we so
we don't we we've not used absolute this
is I mean that's not an indictment of
them or anything indictment see what I
said there did there
um
we had an alert from a product that we
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used to subscribe to we haven't used
this product in probably two years but
they were our filter and MDM and
classroom management tool for a number
of years
we got an alert today that a Chromebook
we put in Lost mode two years ago popped
online
and we uh yeah we were talking in the
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office how Wild is it that we and this
is from a student data privacy
standpoint this is like oh crap they
still have our devices under management
um like it it hasn't been online in two
years and it and it pops online and one
of the log entries said that it had gone
back to
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um not developer mode but the other mode
you know standard mode or whatever so
someone had tried wiping that device
before it popped back online so it's
probably in a pawn shop somewhere so
yeah we thought that was funny that a
product we haven't used in two years was
still mdming our devices
um Chris I know we talked about PDS
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earlier
in the last couple weeks the the phrase
with PDS has been PDS can help you it
can take you where you want to go you
guys like that line yes I did and I
thank you to wherever you want to go and
I horribly screwed it up I didn't do it
justice so let's let's do it again here
real quick
PDS will help you go where you want to
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go
Chris
where is the speaking going speaking of
where we're going uh we get to hang out
in New Hampshire and we've kind of been
starting to hype this up but the three
of us we're going to be in person
together for the first time ever at New
Hampshire's CTO Clinic bunch of tech
directors Tech folks hanging out May 3rd
all three of us in person it's at the
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end
uh at what was it Mill Falls I think yes
you can check out
nhcto.org uh if you're New Hampshire
area an area I think they let some
Massachusetts folk come on if you wanted
to yeah we had a conversation with them
this week and we learned a couple
important things
um they will let neighboring neighboring
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states come you don't have to be a New
Hampshire resident or a New Hampshire
school to come they were all about
opening it up to other people that if we
could bang that drum for them and get
other people there they were more than
happy to get people there the other
thing that we learned they're gonna have
good bourbon to drink so if you want to
come have a dram that's on with me those
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on Josh's Rider oh yeah it was totally
on our contract
um if you want to come share a Duran
with me I don't they didn't say what
good bourbon now good bourbon they're
good bourbon might be different than my
good bourbon I don't know
um but bourbon's bourbon right like I'm
not going to turn down good bourbon I
don't know so if you want to come share
a drink with me come to the New
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Hampshire CTO Clinic let's let's and and
maybe even mark my I know Mark's going
to be there maybe Mark will share a
drink with us and let me just say
the the property at where this this
conference is being held
um what was the name of the conference
the name of the
um facility again Chris Mark do you know
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Church Landing Church Landing have you
guys that right yes it is right
um this looks absolutely beautiful and
one of the one of the guys we were
talking to this week said yeah this is
this is the Lake of the Ozarks of New
Hampshire and I'm thinking this looks
way nicer than like of the Ozarks
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um this place looks beautiful do you get
okay this is gonna sound horrible
the the the facility that this was
taking place at I thought for a second
that this was the place that American
Pie 2 was filmed like that where the
wedding and the wedding reception to
your head I don't know how many times
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did you watch American Pie 2 in high
school college uh in high school it
would have been College because if
that's one of like that's if you got
that floater that's pretty up towards
the top of your head
looks like the
the building looked like the building
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that they had the wedding and the
reception for American Pie too it looks
beautiful
I'm just disappointed that Josh is like
super hyped about this spot meanwhile
I'm like uh you're sleeping on my couch
that sounds great but you're not staying
there you're staying with me oh we
forgot
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right the facility where this conference
is being held looks absolutely gorgeous
and we're gonna be there we're going to
talk about the future no we're talking
Lessons Learned man Lessons Learned From
the Past
not the future that help us with the
future
so if you are in that main Vermont what
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other states are up there mark Maine
Vermont
um Massachusetts
uh come on over to the New Hampshire CTO
Clinic uh and and say hello that their
agenda looks great we are giving the
keynote uh but there will be breakout
sessions as well and we're doing a
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session too yeah we are doing it and
we're gonna have a table and there's
going to be bourbon
um so yeah come say hello
hey I just got a text uh-oh from my
curriculum director
said
what is the website that writes your
papers
it's getting out
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tell her tell her Urban Dictionary
mark
that would be funny to say though that
would be awful all right uh if you want
to email us if you have a question we do
have some listener emails we need to get
to but not tonight we're already over
um we will get to those in the near
future if you have a question or a
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critique maybe be nice someone
complained on Twitter that I use too
many sound effects during the Kosen
episodes yeah that was my pseudo name
I'm sorry about that Josh
oh that's hilarious it's fine let us
know k12techtalk gmail.com uh we are
also on Twitter just search K-12 Tech
(45:55):
Talk podcast
um Chris do you want to hit K-12 Tech
Pro real quick for sure K12 Tech Pro
k12techpro.com uh you can click on we
have this new thing called the community
uh you click on that to join it it's a
vetted community so we're proving that
you work actively in a K-12 tech
department you have to fill that thing
out it might take us a day or so to get
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you verified we have a person doing that
and then we onboard you you're in uh you
get attached to whatever state you're
from you get to hang out with your State
Community but you get to be a part of a
global Community too we have
I mean it's message boards and chat uh
when you dump it all the way down but we
have things called water coolers so
you're in the office around a water
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cooler we have those for different
topics or different states and the
global one and we have Tech talks based
upon your state based upon topics and
it's been going really cool so not to
over say it but we're in 20 States a lot
of those states only have one person
sitting in there by themselves uh but
we're in 20 States over the last three
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weeks really excited about that uh so
come to K-12 Tech Pro uh uh the Pod
episodes flow into there as well the
articles that we do on that website flow
into there as well uh you'll catch us on
there hanging out but another I mean
it's just so cool the Pod getting to go
to coast and all this stuff we get to do
you know at the end of the day the
(47:19):
podcast we're three texts from three
places hanging out just bantering about
what's going on in K-12 Tech Midwest
Tech talk when we plug that plug that
that's what what we're doing when we get
to go to cousin people are coming up to
us that's all we're doing we're just
hanging out and talking about what's
going on that's what K-12 Tech Pro that
Community thing that that's the vibe
that we're going for uh if you're a
one-person tech department come hang out
(47:41):
with us there's like a Google issue the
other day someone's like hey anybody
having Google issues you're like yeah I
know whatever it's just a good place to
talk uh to post questions all that kind
of stuff so k12techpro.com
Chris tell us one of the states that
only has one person they need friends
and I'm sure we have listened listeners
there
uh I think Rhode Island would be one
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because that that one guy like asked to
join Massachusetts because there's like
Mark and one other dude in there there's
like three people in Massachusetts uh
one in Rhode Island there's four people
in Massachusetts hello excuse Chris no
no that is Chris the fourth person
that's me yeah right now I'm like the
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guy that's like hey you guys still doing
okay
we're trying to get someone to come over
and talk to you guys anybody need a beer
I know Chris is like I'm just gonna hang
out here if you guys need a juice box
let me know string cheese anyways and
then there's a guy from Rhode Island so
it's it's it's really just Mark it's a
one-on-one conversation with supervision
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so if if you're in Rhode Island or
Massachusetts go out to Tech Pro K12
Tech Pro uh sign up for the community
don't be afraid to click the sponsored
membership do that that's cool yeah read
the form when you're filling it out
and don't don't troll me apparently that
gets you delayed and getting uh vetted
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and if you say mean things about me not
not cool and and Josh at some point
we're gonna stop this probably maybe but
a lot of people change their profile pic
to Josh's face yeah
I don't get it
it's slightly irritating
um
so
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that that's all I have for tonight
you guys you you just made this whole
thing about you yes that's all you have
yeah that's all I have that's all that
matters
um that's episode 112. shoot us an email
find us on Twitter hit us on K12 Tech
Pro find us at the New Hampshire Clinic
we'll see you next week thanks for
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listening good to be back
everything
hey can you turn that down we're
recording
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live from the somethingcool.com studios
this is the K-12 Tech Talk podcast I
believe it is episode
112. The Gang is back together I am Josh
with me part-time is Chris say hi Chris
(00:45):
hello
and with me more times than not is Mark
hey Mark hello hi
so it has been several weeks since we've
been back together right guys Chris is a
hot minute your off suspension did you I
guess you had your meeting with Sue
yeah and Sue gave me that cake oh that's
right yeah I apologized
uh both verbally but also via a letter
(01:08):
oh yeah chat GPT
that's probably in your permanent file
now
um have you talked to Jeremy lately
because he sent over some information
about a new uh system that they are
selling what what is that
they have X360 Cloud Solutions storage
(01:28):
stuff going on they can back up your
Google workspace I know this because he
spammed me today with an ad
I got it too
thanks Jeremy so you can email sales at
somethingcool.com or Jeremy at
somethingcool.com to learn all about
their Cloud solution to back up your
Google workspace
(01:49):
yes yeah that's an interesting thought
process
um it has been a busy week we we are at
Threat Level three for tornadoes
tornadoes damaging winds and tornadoes
tomorrow
um there's a buzz going around that
schools are canceling school half day
it's on the threat of tornado so I don't
(02:10):
remember that ever happening before
um
what is kind of going on in the world of
K-12 Tech Guys Mark has disappeared he's
I think Mark left Chris what's been
going on anything fun and exciting
I uh I mean I'm I'm still recovering
from the coast and trip with Eric
uh
(02:31):
uh and I mean I don't know that I ever
want to go on a trip with Eric again oh
he's a lot
um
he's a good guy he he he he is a great
guy and I I couldn't keep up with him
well so he if you ever see him at the
Midwest Tech talk conferences
(02:52):
he's literally like running all the time
or he's fast walking yes and I always
thought
oh that's Eric at conferences because
you know we're organizing them and he's
like a main point of contact when it's
like the day of stuff right he's
hustling surge bars and yeah
whatever no that's just how he walks
(03:14):
like he he walks with purpose even if
it's for for like hey hey bro you just
got up like you're just walking to the
kitchen
and I I don't do that and like we land
we and then he like
one of his big things was like he and I
(03:36):
I mean we kind of talked about this but
he likes to walk so he's like hey I
think I'm gonna go out and find a trail
cool
uh I like to use vehicles
uh to get the places but we can we can
take a trail are we are we advertising
for a new intern now we need to be
(03:57):
uh so I we did that I walked with him
one of the days it was raining
oh man and then like we're walking
and then he'd be like oh step aside
that's because there's people riding
bikes and running like I don't I don't
hang out where people ride bikes and run
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Eric
and that's how we would go around and
then he does this thing and I think you
you're I think you would be like this
Josh he he has airport anxiety oh yeah
yeah yeah yeah and I completely think
you would be like this yes Eric if
you're listening to this I'm being
absolutely honest this is me telling
like I'm I'm not holding back anything
(04:38):
the airport he's like I only get anxiety
going to the checkpoints he was he was
anxious the whole time
like it wouldn't matter what we're and
he'd be like oh no that's this line it's
this line it's this Eric just it's not a
big deal bro
and like you know those checkpoints it's
as whatever is it's gonna be you set
(04:58):
your pace you're you're taking your
rings off and your belt off whatever and
Eric's like deciding in the morning what
he's going to wear basically yeah
absolutely
decide what type of shoes I'm wearing
that morning so I can take them off
easily in the checkpoint Eric and I are
cut from the same cloth so we did that
(05:19):
and then he does this thing where like
we're going out to dinner and he's like
hey I'll get this and we can share it
Eric I don't want to share with you I'm
almost 40 years old I got a wife and
three kids you think I want to share a
taco with you right now
sharing
he did that to me like three times
you think I want to share chalupa with
(05:40):
you bro
it was fine
it was a good trip
laughs
I have to say Eric and I and our wives
had dinner I guess two nights before you
all or the night before you guys left
(06:00):
for Austin we went on a ghost hunt
um we had a dinner at a very nice
restaurant in Jefferson City and uh went
on a ghost hunt at the State
Penitentiary and I had none of this
experience that you're speaking of with
Aaron and he told some stories about you
though no whatever like you're really
into that ghost stuff it was fun it was
a blast
if you're in Missouri or you come to
(06:22):
Missouri I highly recommend the tour at
the Jefferson City State Penitentiary I
I'm convinced
that I never want to fly with you and
Eric combined I think Mark can Mark and
I can figure it out
but I don't know if if I had to take a
trip with you with Josh and Eric
(06:43):
I'm so excited to pick the two of you up
at the airport I I text you and I said
when I fly I look around me at the
people around me and know who I'm going
to be on the cover Magazine with if the
plane goes down
like that's how my brain works I don't
know I think I need to commit right now
to having a recording device in the car
(07:06):
when I picked the two of you up for the
airport exactly after we land it's fine
Landing is the worst part for me I know
but like I wanna I wanna hear what you
guys have to say about each other
well Chris we are we will not be on the
same plane because he is from Dallas he
we won't we won't be riding together I
will be on I will be on the K-12 Tech
talk uh private jet
(07:27):
um
so anyways Kosten was good that's the
long story short
yeah so you guys talked to all sorts of
cool people
um Keith and Marlo and all of those
awesome folks that were willing to sit
down with you and Eric and have a
conversation about current trends in
K-12 if you have not listened to those
episodes
(07:48):
um episode 111 part one and two are all
of those
um episodes from coast and Tom Ryan
makes an appearance I'd recommend
skipping that interview yeah he had some
kind of he's great man not a harsh words
about Mark but like what didn't he say
he wanted to punch you in the throat or
something like yeah
yeah yeah and I was like my mom listens
(08:11):
to this once in a while
sure
was willing to sit down for a little bit
um let's see who else did you guys talk
to Yeah Yeah from San Antonio Marlo
Gaddis super nice I like Marlo's
interview the best honestly I will say I
mean I know I know Tom was pretty brutal
to me but you have you interviewed all
(08:33):
my favorite people in the world oh I
have a Tom shariar like really and Keith
like just great people
I think more highly of you based upon
the people
that know you wow
is that that was right yeah that was
(08:54):
that was nice and they're they're
incredibly impressive people uh Eva just
started as CIO and she's already just
Making Waves across country Marlo has
been CIO she's retiring this spring and
she has made waves for for years so
uh just two amazing people so very cool
congrats Chris yep it's a good time it's
great times and did you name drop Mark
(09:16):
when you were talking to Keith like
ahead of time like to set him up for the
interview I thought that would be a
negative oh okay I'm all right I want to
drop I mean I dropped my Mark's name at
dinner tonight with my uncle from
Michigan who doesn't know who Mark is so
we go way back
um so yeah Kosen it sounded like you
(09:36):
guys had a really really good time and
hopefully hopefully Keith if you're
listening
um we will be invited to Kosen in Miami
next spring
uh so if you were not on Reddit
yesterday or if you do not get sizza
alerts or MSI SEC alerts and you have a
(09:57):
3cx phone system
um you need to go look up uh go go do
some Googling about the 3cx
vulnerability with their soft phone app
on desk Windows computers uh there is a
major vulnerability it's
um kind of it's been Making Waves I
think crowdstrike and Huntress Labs
(10:18):
broke the news yesterday I follow
Huntress labs and uh Katie Nichols from
Red Canary on Twitter and that's how I
saw it I think Miss Nichols shared it uh
the the Reddit link from crowdstrike and
uh it's a pretty serious vulnerability
uh so if you run a 3cx phone system you
definitely want to check this out and
(10:40):
take precautions Chris you don't run 3cx
right but we we do know uh several
schools that run 3cx in our area so uh
they were uh they were hopping on it
yesterday when it when the news broke on
that
um excuse me
let's see what else
so Mark do you you had an agenda item
(11:02):
about the co-son article about
partnering with social media
um and how do you handle imposters
yeah so there was an article
um it was um from actually online
publication but it was based off of a
presentation at kosin about social media
uh and it sparked a little bit of a
conversation internally for us
um talking about the the heart of the
(11:24):
article is really uh or the heart of the
conversation was about school districts
need to be able to partnership create
Partnerships with social media companies
because social media is creating
quite a bit of a challenge uh for
schools and we really it's kind of like
throwing fishing or throwing uh uh
What's the phrase throwing a message out
and just do a black hole
(11:46):
um when you try to get in touch with a
social media company so curious how you
guys handle
social media incidents in your District
what are some things that you do from a
technology perspective
uh and have you ever had any success
with working directly with social media
companies
boy that's a good one I can't say that
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we have had an incident where we've had
to contact a social media
company for assistance but I do know of
a neighboring District that had to do
that
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um
and the only way they got the attention
of
the social media company was to have a
letter or a fax sent from the local
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police department on Police Department
letterhead to a special number and that
was the only way they got traction with
the social media entity at that time uh
thankfully we and and this was actually
a threat directed at a teacher if I
remember right
um so yeah we thankfully we haven't had
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to deal with that but I do know it is a
giant pain in the rear if it if it comes
to that because they they don't like
talking
um to individuals or talking individuals
or is the wrong phrase but I guess
making themselves available to remedy
Solutions like that
um they don't like doing that
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Chris anything from you
just I mean and we probably all do this
but you know we we block Social Media
stuff within the school district right
and on our on our devices that leave and
go home so we at least always tend to
know that that's being okay uh
the hope there would be and I've talked
to schools that try to say that that can
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be okay that you have Twitter opened up
because of the resources that can be
there in the live news updates and blah
blah blah and that kind of banter But
ultimately you're at least keeping your
kids safe and in that environment of
where you're protecting them there we've
had kids they'll try
we've not had like the threat to serious
stuff like that but we've had the kids
that do the bullying stuff or do the I'm
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acting like I'm a principal and I'm
going to post these things
um completely agree that there's not
like the number that you just usually
call and that's not even worthy of a
phone call I would say like that's
you're allowed to do that
we've gone through where you're clicking
like to report like hey this is a fake
account or whatever we've had one where
that was enough uh we had a basically a
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couple of us clicked and reported that
and that page got taken down yeah
um so you can kind of try to go that
route uh we've had it before where I had
to do the investigative work we knew
some stuff was floating around
we don't think what's taking place at
school but I would jump into like Google
Vault to search or that page or you know
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are kids talking about it via email or
kids talking about it via chat uh so we
could try to nip it that way
um that investigative kind of research
uh
other than those things I'm not thinking
of anything else yeah it's hard we've
the only time we've ever had things
taken down is when we reach out to
police because of a you know an obvious
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crime or you know threat of violence has
been posted but even then I don't know
if it's the police that got taken down
or it was just you know enough Community
reports and the social media companies
took them down on their own
um but it it's hard and we've had a lot
of
you know borderline incidents right when
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when I say borderline I mean it's not
quite against their terms of service or
their student student interaction and
you can't quite prove that somebody is
under the age of 13 you know on the
social media Services terms of service
um and it's frustrating and you just
kind of hit report and you you hope it
goes somewhere but very very very little
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interaction if not none with with the
social media companies
um and even when you do report something
like I've had some situations I'm like
this is horrific of what these students
have posted and and I'll get a reply
back from the company like no your your
claim has been rejected and it's like
you don't know how much pain and
frustration your platform is causing a
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school a classroom and they just
there's no interaction so it's really
really frustrating and like you Chris
most of it is blocked within schools but
that doesn't mean that the things that
happen outside of school
don't get brought in
I can think about we even had one I
think it was Snapchat
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so our school district has a name you
know like north south east west central
like one of those generic kind of names
and it's in in its name and there was
this snap going around that was a
repeated
someone was taking screenshot and
screenshot shot and sending it and
sending it so a school with our name
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from afar started it
had some kind of weapon thing in it and
it made its way all the way to Missouri
with our school name in it not us yeah
uh but I mean the community was
oh my gosh this is this is the the
threat that's being presented to us yeah
and again if if we're trying to report
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it and do those limited things that we
can do and you know you can send out
your own communication
uh but man if there was just an easier
thing to go about stopping that uh
because three of us I mean we we've done
all the all the work to prove that this
is not valid or or that it is valid
whichever way you want you want to look
at it but there's no work to go with it
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yeah besides you you're well and that's
always that funny thing too how will you
get the word out via social media which
is the thing that you're trying to tell
kids tonight like right mess with like
you're kind of this double-edged sword
of a thing or whatever whatever you want
to say yeah no I don't I don't know what
the solution is I I don't think that
social media companies have any interest
in having a liaison and taking on some
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ownership for this I don't I don't see
Facebook and Instagram and
uh Twitter and snap I don't in Tick Tock
especially they're they're not going to
have a liaison to your school district
and so it it's really really frustrating
um and I hate to say that you're kind of
on your own when there's a social media
issue but right now K-12 districts
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really are on their own if an incident
does not rise to criminal activity
yeah and I you know it's it's
interesting I think that's where
um like we're my district is lucky
enough to have a PR person and I think
that's where some of those relationships
that those PR people like because
there's National entities and I know
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cousin has worked with Inspira the I
don't know what the acronym means but
it's like the National Organization for
school PR people
I know cousin has worked with Inspira to
get free
um Twitter verified accounts for school
districts now that was before you know
the last three four months when when Mr
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must took over and kind of changed how
Twitter verified accounts work but
um they were they were working towards a
solution to
have schools have Twitter accounts or
let schools have Twitter accounts that
were verified this is the school's
Twitter account so
um and I know our PR guy has some other
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resources available to him from social
media entities so I think that's where
those those relationships become
important in those National memberships
and those National organizations like
Kosen and like Inspira um do do pay
dividends
um by being a member
um we've even had the
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and it's it's innocent it's for the good
of the cause
uh but say Facebook we have a lot of our
teams that are activities that have
Facebook pages that we have created
um but say one doesn't have one so then
a
uh a mom or a grandma uh whoever they go
out of their way to go ahead and make
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that page and they're they're saying
it's our school it's our school's team
um your logo yeah but it's it's not us
and again that's for the for the good of
the cause as far as where the whether
you're your your your mind and your
heart was that
um but but it's not good right because
in a lot of those cases it doesn't it
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it's not saying the sentences that the
school would say it's not speaking on
behalf of the school but it sure looks
like it's intended to do that and
there's no way for the school
besides trying to re like
I've had that job where I'm supposed to
try to reach out and figure out who's
actually the owner of that and see if we
can get it shut down or take over
ownership right
um but that's all on
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me trying to reach out to a person
doesn't have to talk to me there's no
way for Facebook uh to help me out with
that yeah and and good luck doing that
if the if the person's a jerk and and is
doing it for nefarious reasons they're
not gonna let you have ownership of that
page or you know it's a it's a mock page
or whatever yeah it's uh
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I don't I don't know what the solution
is but it's thankfully we haven't had to
deal with that a lot we had one one time
that
it was a nice lady that had the good
intentions and stuff you know and and
she received well the the point of why
we want to take ownership on is because
when her whatever it was when when the
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kid in her life graduates she's not
going to care to right update that page
anymore so that's why it's important for
the district to have that and she and
she got that right uh so I'm like all
you gotta do is
I'm gonna add you as a friend and then
you gotta add me as a admin or a manager
whatever and then I can take it and and
the whole bit well she couldn't figure
out her Facebook password oh geez uh and
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then she kept hitting the reset email
deal and it's not going to the email
that she thought she had oh geez which
is the whole point right that's the prop
that's the problem
um and again there's no way to fix that
so now that page is
sitting out there and we we can't get it
she can't give it you know that that
kind of thing and again there's no
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Facebook doesn't appear to care right or
any other social media you know who does
care and they care about your network
infrastructure
extreme networks who is that extreme
networks oh yeah that's who
I got uh I received delivery of our last
two extreme networks that were uh
waiting for shipment this week so we're
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super excited about that and getting
those rolled out
um Chris who do people contact if they
want to hear about or learn more about
the some of the best upper right
quadrant in Gartner's survey physical
and wireless converge networking who do
they email and go straight up to the top
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Dominic Mayer D mayor m-a-y-e-r at
extremenetworks.com and they are in that
upper right quadrant of Gartner who you
interviewed
two weeks ago or last week
I thought they were gonna announce like
a new like a fifth a fifth quadrant what
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quadrant I don't know that that's how
quadrants quad
they didn't work that news
um did you guys see this thing this
announcement from uh Microsoft about the
chat GPT cyber security thing
they haven't I didn't click on it they
haven't excuse me they haven't released
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it in the wild yet they're beta in it
um and it will be released soon
apparently but it's called security
copilot they are taking kind of the
security functions of monitoring logs
and stuff like that and wrapping it into
the Mark's favorite thing chat GPT
um this is actually a flavor of gbp4
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um and it's it's uh kind of doing all
this cyber security work for you
um so if you're you're curious about it
do a Google search on security copilot
from Microsoft I watched a video on it
it's uh
it's it takes all that security stuff
all that log monitoring stuff and kind
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of boils it down to language that any
average person can understand uh so I
think it it uh it could go
quite far as far as cyber cyber security
stuff goes in the in the near future
especially with go ahead Mark I didn't I
didn't see a lot of the announcements so
apologize for my ignorance on this one
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but I saw you know a little brief
snippet snippet sorry a little snippet
of it where it was like a chat right
it's very similar like yeah GPT yeah how
does that work with cyber security like
are you supposed to type in have I been
hacked
and then we'll say like no you're fine I
think five minutes later you're like how
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about now
no
are we still okay how about now
no no no problem yeah yeah that would be
me every five minutes hey are we cool
yeah and then you go to lunch and you
come back after lunch like hey I just
got back what'd I miss and I'm like
nothing
that would be you Josh look again please
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are you sure oh hold on a second
no I I honestly don't know how it all
works I obviously I think it ingests
data from I mean being Microsoft you can
assume that it's gonna going to ingest
data from Azure or Azure however you
pronounce it where you live
um Mark how do you pronounce it
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I don't Azure Azure yeah I've heard
people say as you were though I think
they're they're probably French
um you know my my dipstick is
Azure ad
s Azure ad sounds way better than Azure
ID
why did you say dipstick
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well like a dipstick of like here's my
little test right
as you name off one of the products
Azure ad rolls off the tongue way better
than Azure ad I think that's called
litmus test Mark dipstick
div six kind of derogatory what
just move on please okay
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um
I think he was calling us dipsticks
Chris
um so
this is this is one of the differences
between our next to the woods
dipstick is derogatory we're gonna have
to cut this whole segment out so chat
GPT wrote me two grants and a cover
letter this week
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a cover letter for your resume no for
the for one of the grants oh gotcha okay
I got to the internet said please write
a cover letter I was like oh no chat GPT
will you write a cover letter for the
grant
so if you don't know the cops Grant is
open right now right and for the next
what 15 days 30 days or so yeah sounds
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right
um it's a Federal grant for security for
school districts not not cyber security
physical security
um and it's uh I know several schools in
the in our region that have gotten that
Grant before so if you are looking for
grant money for physical security and
and we all know that is at the top of
the list for schools uh check out the
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cops Grant it's administered who's it
administered from
but if you just Google cops Grant you'll
you'll figure it out
um let's talk four to EDR real quick
Chris that's you man always me what do
you know about it
um I know it's made by Fortinet and
instead of the net they put EDR so it's
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40 EDR so EDR Solutions are I'm sure if
you're in K-12 Tech you have heard about
EDR enough this year to make yourself
sick insurance companies are acquiring
it
um consortiums are requiring it it's
it's just at the top of the list for
most school districts right now and of
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course there's any number of flavors out
there there's companies that just smack
EDR in the name of their product and
hope that you don't look at it deep
enough to realize that they really
aren't an EDR it's just regular
antivirus but Florida EDR does not
follow fall into that
classification 40 EDR is uh an
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award-winning EDR they take it very very
seriously there's a couple case studies
out there there's a district in Florida
we'll we'll link this and show no show
nodes but uh the Okeechobee County
School District uh they went ahead and
they bought 40 EDR to qualify for for
their cyber Insurance requirement of
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having EDR uh so if you are interested
in learning more about the Ford EDR
obviously Chris illingsworth our buddy
our pal our friend at Fortinet
um
who absolutely loves our Fortinet
product name suggestions
um he won't tell you that in person
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because you know he's gotta you know
make make
like he's a he doesn't like him but he
he absolutely loves our name suggestions
uh he is our sales guy here in our
region Chris what's the email address
for foreign
podcast at fortinet.com
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so yeah go email Chris that that email
address goes straight to Chris so email
him ask him some questions about the 40
EDR it plays well perfectly honestly
with the Fortinet fortigate firewalls
um it if those two plug together they
can shut down a device if it sees
suspicious traffic on the network or
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trying to get out to the web so email
that address let Chris know you heard
about their products from us
um what else we got automat podcast at
fortinet.com there you go
um have you guys did you guys know that
Google is rolling out
AI in Google workspace documents soon
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ready
um so they are rolling out the you kind
of that AI prompt like if you go to chat
GPT and say write me a resume template
um they are rolling out kind of that
feature set in Google Docs I saw there's
a YouTube video out there about it
um they say it's currently in beta and
they've only rolled it out to key uh
installs of their products but they
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their goal is to roll it out even more
they they showed it writing custom
emails to employees thanking them for
their service and like it was doing it
all it was mind-blowing YouTube video
um I know Mark loves chat GPT
is is this where we're headed like well
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okay so I have I mean I've seen a lot of
announcements about that I've seen all
the it's it's called Bard uh is is
Google's AI version the question I have
is around uh data siloing so if I am
using this AI to finish up a Google doc
or write an email
and this AI is using it's using data it
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has learned
is that data
from within your account is it from
within your organization is it from
outside so if I write an email and
suddenly the AI is not abiding by
my Google doc preferences or my all my
data loss prevention rules like is it
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gonna say is it going to pull
information from somebody else's
Gmail and Google drive or another
district and pull that in so I have real
questions about that sounds cool but how
does it work with
uh data privacy and realistically is it
pulling data just from your account or
your domain
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and how does that work doesn't matter
get over it bro it's happening yeah we
know you hate gbt it's okay
um no no I
I think those are the future Mark they
are valid concerns you either get in or
get out
and I think the the other the other part
of that discussion Mark is from a
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student data privacy
concern is if if GPT is learning from
student input
um how where does that stop how how far
does that spread out if if my son is
using GPT and and giving input to gbt to
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write an article or to write a review of
something
how how do we know that it's not using
that same content in another student's
article
um yeah no I I to me if if Google does
end up rolling out this AI prompt in
Docs
from a school standpoint from a school
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administrator standpoint
I would surely hope that they would have
a setting that would allow you to turn
that off for students but leave it on
for faculty or you know something
something like that like what they did
with YouTube in the the age restriction
thing where you had to go in and say
what ous contained individuals that were
under the age of 18.
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um yeah I there there has to be some
sort of way to restrict the the use well
but more than just a yes or a no I'm
going to allow this but it's for me I'm
wondering if I you know let's say in my
role and Chris is the head of HR if I
ask this AI tool to write an email and
say like oh well I want to know what
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Josh's salary is
is this AI smart enough to know like
well Chris has a Google doc and he
shared it with you therefore it's
reasonable for you to know that
information
or is it smart enough to say well I
don't know that answer because it's not
available to you in your account like
that's practically speaking what I'm
really concerned about sure that's about
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like from a global perspective of like
is this right or is it not right I'm
really thinking practically speaking is
AI going to adhere to my email and my
sharing permissions already and use that
to feed information if it gets dangerous
if it's like so I I have like a salary
doc that I
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found on my own and I've kept it so then
Mark you're asking that question and
then it's like
I don't know the answer but Chris might
know
and you're like oh my gosh
yeah that's there was some some good
discussion at coastin about
how cool it could be how great it could
be how useful it could be if it's like
in your sis where you can just without
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looking at spreadsheets without sorting
spreadsheets sure ask it questions
and and that big the uh I forget who
said it but they said it's going to be
important to ask the the right questions
uh you you might say give me the top 10
teachers
it might give you an answer but you need
to unpack why it decided that and like
yeah yeah are those teachers do they
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have particular kids from particular
neighborhoods with particular things
attached to them that make them the the
more achieving students you know but
again it's AI So in theory you would
think that it gets to that point where
you can ask it proper questions and it's
going to dig and tell you why I mean but
it's go ahead so just Chris thinking
about you saying having that in your
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cyst
to me unless you have the back end to
run that
I don't see that happening in CIS right
for the foreseeable future even because
it does say it does take such compute
power for it one to understand what
you're typing and put that into
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actionable data and pull that data and
then parse that data
I don't for people that have a hosted
CIS you're you're not going to have that
local
um that data is going to have to go out
and come back at some point I don't see
that happening
um
sorry at least right now
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um so Josh you you said something I
forgot I have a trivia question for you
this week oh oh okay cool all right
hold on this is the provision Data
Solutions trivia question of the episode
[Laughter]
go mark
last week Gordon Moore died yes died at
the age of 94. yes what is Gordon Moore
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famous for I know this answer
I know this answer Chris is just like
I'm not even gonna try
it's something like you're gonna say it
and it's like ah
[Music]
yeah
um it's something super rudimentary too
um well my hint is
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that he was uh famous for being the
co-founder of Intel
yeah years ago and during that he made a
statement
I'm Googling it tell it tell us Mark
Moore's Law
wasn't going there
what is law Mark Moore's Law is way back
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and I'm gonna butcher the day but I
think believe is in the 60s when he
stated that the
[Music]
um
that the processor will double in speed
yes every two years
or to be more specific that the number
of transistors
uh will double in a microchip every
every two years or 18 months yeah and
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for the most part he was on point well
up until the very very recent future or
a recent past
recent Moore's Law founder of Moore's
law passed away we're talking about time
travel now boys
[Laughter]
um Chris tell us about absolute
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absolute is a proud new sponsor of the
K-12 Tech Talk podcast uh we're gonna
hang out with them for the next six
weeks uh the contact there uh this guy
Oliver you can email him at oh Schmidt
oh at absolute.com now I like that email
address
I hope I'm saying it right that that's
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Oliver you're gonna he's gonna let me
know that I did a terrible job at that
anyways if you don't know what they do
what they are uh we're gonna link to
that of course but here's a little
here's a little tasty taste uh talking
about student data uh reclaiming getting
your Chromebooks back we got one to one
all over the place uh a lot of
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initiatives with one to one giving every
student a device uh absolute software uh
gives you a persistent connection uh
they can help you geolocate freeze why
promote uh devices uh I'm gonna there's
a lot to unpack with them and it's going
to take us the six weeks to unpack it
but I'm gonna put a link uh they have an
education Solutions brief that you can
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check out uh but first they will help
you get your Chromebooks back
it's funny you mentioned that we so
we don't we we've not used absolute this
is I mean that's not an indictment of
them or anything indictment see what I
said there did there
um
we had an alert from a product that we
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used to subscribe to we haven't used
this product in probably two years but
they were our filter and MDM and
classroom management tool for a number
of years
we got an alert today that a Chromebook
we put in Lost mode two years ago popped
online
and we uh yeah we were talking in the
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office how Wild is it that we and this
is from a student data privacy
standpoint this is like oh crap they
still have our devices under management
um like it it hasn't been online in two
years and it and it pops online and one
of the log entries said that it had gone
back to
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um not developer mode but the other mode
you know standard mode or whatever so
someone had tried wiping that device
before it popped back online so it's
probably in a pawn shop somewhere so
yeah we thought that was funny that a
product we haven't used in two years was
still mdming our devices
um Chris I know we talked about PDS
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earlier
in the last couple weeks the the phrase
with PDS has been PDS can help you it
can take you where you want to go you
guys like that line yes I did and I
thank you to wherever you want to go and
I horribly screwed it up I didn't do it
justice so let's let's do it again here
real quick
PDS will help you go where you want to
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go
Chris
where is the speaking going speaking of
where we're going uh we get to hang out
in New Hampshire and we've kind of been
starting to hype this up but the three
of us we're going to be in person
together for the first time ever at New
Hampshire's CTO Clinic bunch of tech
directors Tech folks hanging out May 3rd
all three of us in person it's at the
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end
uh at what was it Mill Falls I think yes
you can check out
nhcto.org uh if you're New Hampshire
area an area I think they let some
Massachusetts folk come on if you wanted
to yeah we had a conversation with them
this week and we learned a couple
important things
um they will let neighboring neighboring
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states come you don't have to be a New
Hampshire resident or a New Hampshire
school to come they were all about
opening it up to other people that if we
could bang that drum for them and get
other people there they were more than
happy to get people there the other
thing that we learned they're gonna have
good bourbon to drink so if you want to
come have a dram that's on with me those
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on Josh's Rider oh yeah it was totally
on our contract
um if you want to come share a Duran
with me I don't they didn't say what
good bourbon now good bourbon they're
good bourbon might be different than my
good bourbon I don't know
um but bourbon's bourbon right like I'm
not going to turn down good bourbon I
don't know so if you want to come share
a drink with me come to the New
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Hampshire CTO Clinic let's let's and and
maybe even mark my I know Mark's going
to be there maybe Mark will share a
drink with us and let me just say
the the property at where this this
conference is being held
um what was the name of the conference
the name of the
um facility again Chris Mark do you know
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Church Landing Church Landing have you
guys that right yes it is right
um this looks absolutely beautiful and
one of the one of the guys we were
talking to this week said yeah this is
this is the Lake of the Ozarks of New
Hampshire and I'm thinking this looks
way nicer than like of the Ozarks
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um this place looks beautiful do you get
okay this is gonna sound horrible
the the the facility that this was
taking place at I thought for a second
that this was the place that American
Pie 2 was filmed like that where the
wedding and the wedding reception to
your head I don't know how many times
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did you watch American Pie 2 in high
school college uh in high school it
would have been College because if
that's one of like that's if you got
that floater that's pretty up towards
the top of your head
looks like the
the building looked like the building
(43:47):
that they had the wedding and the
reception for American Pie too it looks
beautiful
I'm just disappointed that Josh is like
super hyped about this spot meanwhile
I'm like uh you're sleeping on my couch
that sounds great but you're not staying
there you're staying with me oh we
forgot
(44:08):
right the facility where this conference
is being held looks absolutely gorgeous
and we're gonna be there we're going to
talk about the future no we're talking
Lessons Learned man Lessons Learned From
the Past
not the future that help us with the
future
so if you are in that main Vermont what
(44:28):
other states are up there mark Maine
Vermont
um Massachusetts
uh come on over to the New Hampshire CTO
Clinic uh and and say hello that their
agenda looks great we are giving the
keynote uh but there will be breakout
sessions as well and we're doing a
(44:49):
session too yeah we are doing it and
we're gonna have a table and there's
going to be bourbon
um so yeah come say hello
hey I just got a text uh-oh from my
curriculum director
said
what is the website that writes your
papers
it's getting out
(45:11):
tell her tell her Urban Dictionary
mark
that would be funny to say though that
would be awful all right uh if you want
to email us if you have a question we do
have some listener emails we need to get
to but not tonight we're already over
um we will get to those in the near
future if you have a question or a
(45:33):
critique maybe be nice someone
complained on Twitter that I use too
many sound effects during the Kosen
episodes yeah that was my pseudo name
I'm sorry about that Josh
oh that's hilarious it's fine let us
know k12techtalk gmail.com uh we are
also on Twitter just search K-12 Tech
(45:55):
Talk podcast
um Chris do you want to hit K-12 Tech
Pro real quick for sure K12 Tech Pro
k12techpro.com uh you can click on we
have this new thing called the community
uh you click on that to join it it's a
vetted community so we're proving that
you work actively in a K-12 tech
department you have to fill that thing
out it might take us a day or so to get
(46:17):
you verified we have a person doing that
and then we onboard you you're in uh you
get attached to whatever state you're
from you get to hang out with your State
Community but you get to be a part of a
global Community too we have
I mean it's message boards and chat uh
when you dump it all the way down but we
have things called water coolers so
you're in the office around a water
(46:38):
cooler we have those for different
topics or different states and the
global one and we have Tech talks based
upon your state based upon topics and
it's been going really cool so not to
over say it but we're in 20 States a lot
of those states only have one person
sitting in there by themselves uh but
we're in 20 States over the last three
(46:59):
weeks really excited about that uh so
come to K-12 Tech Pro uh uh the Pod
episodes flow into there as well the
articles that we do on that website flow
into there as well uh you'll catch us on
there hanging out but another I mean
it's just so cool the Pod getting to go
to coast and all this stuff we get to do
you know at the end of the day the
(47:19):
podcast we're three texts from three
places hanging out just bantering about
what's going on in K-12 Tech Midwest
Tech talk when we plug that plug that
that's what what we're doing when we get
to go to cousin people are coming up to
us that's all we're doing we're just
hanging out and talking about what's
going on that's what K-12 Tech Pro that
Community thing that that's the vibe
that we're going for uh if you're a
one-person tech department come hang out
(47:41):
with us there's like a Google issue the
other day someone's like hey anybody
having Google issues you're like yeah I
know whatever it's just a good place to
talk uh to post questions all that kind
of stuff so k12techpro.com
Chris tell us one of the states that
only has one person they need friends
and I'm sure we have listened listeners
there
uh I think Rhode Island would be one
(48:01):
because that that one guy like asked to
join Massachusetts because there's like
Mark and one other dude in there there's
like three people in Massachusetts uh
one in Rhode Island there's four people
in Massachusetts hello excuse Chris no
no that is Chris the fourth person
that's me yeah right now I'm like the
(48:24):
guy that's like hey you guys still doing
okay
we're trying to get someone to come over
and talk to you guys anybody need a beer
I know Chris is like I'm just gonna hang
out here if you guys need a juice box
let me know string cheese anyways and
then there's a guy from Rhode Island so
it's it's it's really just Mark it's a
one-on-one conversation with supervision
(48:44):
so if if you're in Rhode Island or
Massachusetts go out to Tech Pro K12
Tech Pro uh sign up for the community
don't be afraid to click the sponsored
membership do that that's cool yeah read
the form when you're filling it out
and don't don't troll me apparently that
gets you delayed and getting uh vetted
(49:05):
and if you say mean things about me not
not cool and and Josh at some point
we're gonna stop this probably maybe but
a lot of people change their profile pic
to Josh's face yeah
I don't get it
it's slightly irritating
um
so
(49:25):
that that's all I have for tonight
you guys you you just made this whole
thing about you yes that's all you have
yeah that's all I have that's all that
matters
um that's episode 112. shoot us an email
find us on Twitter hit us on K12 Tech
Pro find us at the New Hampshire Clinic
we'll see you next week thanks for
(49:46):
listening good to be back
everything
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