January 19, 2025 • 54 mins
🎙️ This week on the Kat and Moose Podcast, Kat and Moose take the reins (with Producer Sara sequestered for jury duty) and things get hilariously unfiltered! Moose reflects on her newfound love for ChatGPT and her quest to live with more chutzpah in 2025. Meanwhile, Kat explores fear, responsibility, and a moment of growth involving crumbs at the breakfast nook.
From a TikTok mishap that led to a total meltdown (and deleted account!) to discussions about Mel Robbins, Martha Beck, and embracing authenticity, this episode is a quirky deep dive into being human. Plus, Moose shares her experience with Lens Neurofeedback and why it felt like a body-buzz reset.
With musings on bravery, bunkers, and the energy costs of AI, this raw and ridiculous episode will have you laughing, reflecting, and maybe even Googling Yiddish slang. As Kat says, “This is the Year of the Snake—shed your old skin.”
Don’t forget to pack your chutzpah and join us for the ride! 🎉
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
welcome to the cat and moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm cat and I'm moose .
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
I I felt like your face said Idon't know what's up.
We haven't even started thepodcast I know we haven't.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey hey Moose.
Okay, hey Kat.
Hey Moose, hey Kat.
We've established that I'm notfollowing.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay.
So if you're a patron, youheard a lot just now and I'm not
going to apologize for it, butI'm not going to share it for
everyone else either and I'm notgoing to apologize for it, um,
but I'm not gonna share it foreveryone else either, and and
I'm not gonna apologize for iteither, and I'm not gonna
approve it being sent to thepublic what I just shared, yeah
(00:55):
why?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
oh no, wait your part , your part is fine.
Yeah, your part's great, okay,whatever, yeah cat.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
cat is.
Uh, sarah is on a jury trial.
If you missed last week'sepisode, she is sequestered in a
part of the state that wecannot mention.
It is a murder trial.
I've been watching itincessantly, as have our friends
, and more to come there, but weare in charge of the podcast
(01:24):
this week, which is afrightening thing I mean I'm
impressed we got this far,aren't you?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I, I am too.
Yeah, I am too because I havetruly like disengaged from work
this weekend.
Good, I have.
I have truly like.
I have slept ridiculous hours.
I have slept at weird timesthat I don't normally sleep.
I have had drinks during theday.
(01:50):
I have I have just had a reallyrelaxing weekend.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I feel the same way.
I feel like this weekend umfeels sort of like the Christmas
holiday again, where I'm likewait, cause I know we have a
holiday with martin luther kingday coming up, um right, and so
I know I have an extra day thereand I've been the same way.
I've just kind of done whateverI wanted to do, which is nice
(02:16):
yeah, that is nice.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
What, what did you do ?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
um, I've not read, I've listened.
I've read a book.
That's actually true.
I read Mel Robbins book, thelet them theory, or whatever
that's called, what?
Yeah, I know that's amazing,isn't it?
Um, and then I am now listeningto Martha Beck's book beyond
(02:40):
anxiety, which is, uh, reallygood.
Um, being a Martha Beckfollower, um, I was excited to
start hearing that and um,anyway, it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
so, would you?
Would you share the cliff notesof Mel Robbins, let them?
Because I I feel like I've kindof in my social media feeds, I
feel like I've kind of in mysocial media feeds, I feel like
I've been teased, that it's like, oh, she wrote a book, oh, it's
called Let them, and I'm like,what a compelling title.
Because, like, what does thatmean?
Yeah, like are we, are we angry?
Like well, just let them beassholes.
(03:16):
Or it's like do we mean, justlet them be them and I'll be me.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, I'll be.
It's basically that.
It's basically the second.
It is that okay yeah, it's likeyeah, okay, so you have a
mother-in-law who you literallyevery time you're together, she
critiques you or something likethat.
Um, the idea is, instead ofletting that you know have all
(03:40):
of the control it could haveover you, let them be who they
are.
And, yeah, the unattached ideathat you just said is, it's kind
of where it's at and she goesthrough different areas.
Um, there's been somecontroversy around this book, I
guess, because there's someonewho raised their hand and said I
actually wrote that idea onmediumcom, you know the, where
(04:07):
people write all their fancyblogs and stuff, um, but I don't
know if anything's come of it,but regardless it's a cool idea.
Like um.
I appreciate the idea becausein theory it's kind of that maya
angelo quote we talk about allthe time.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
When somebody shows you who they are, pay attention
or believe them believe them,believe them, yeah well, and I'm
interested in this topic aswell because, um, it just makes
me think about I have a client,um, I don't know if I want to
say that, um, look at yourdiscernment kicking in Um um, I
(04:43):
think that AI and all that itcan do is very, very fascinating
.
For example, I asked AI lastnight I was thinking about one
of my clients and I asked AIwill you create an acupressure
routine for me that would helpan artist who is a singer before
(05:05):
they sing on stage?
I love that.
I think that's.
I think that's the the gist ofwhat I asked chat gbt and it
gave me, literally like from oneof my acupressure books, like
that was written back in the1970s, that we all know was
really written back in thefucking negative 3000s in
ancient china, whatever.
(05:26):
Like it gave me the hold thisspot in front of the
sternocleidomastoid, hold thisspot here, like hold cv.
You know it.
Like gave me all the things andit gave me all the reasons why.
And it it was like it wasfascinating and I thought, okay,
this is like ai being used forgood oh, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I I have on my list here my love affair with chat
gpt on my list to talk about, soI'm I'm thrilled about this
because there are people in thisworld and I think you and I
fall under this category thatwe're excellent idea people and
(06:07):
we know what we need.
But for whatever reason and Icould name a bunch of them the
idea of getting from a to q,those steps can bog us down so
much that we can get overwhelmed.
Yeah, and I feel like what chatgpt does is I can still come to
(06:32):
the table with my idea with anexcellent prompt, and within I
always count one, two.
I've never had more than fourseconds.
It'll still be typing sometimes, but like it can take with an
excellent prompt like this iswhat I'm looking for.
I try to give as much detail asI can and it puts together a
(06:53):
framework that I could never doon my own Right.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Right, and here's.
Here's what I'm wondering about.
It, though, is is can I giveyou an example of something that
happened to me this week?
Ok, so I am working with myintern on a spring tour that
we're working on, and she had aconversation with someone and
was describing the tour and thatperson was like, oh, this, this
(07:22):
and this might not work becauseof this.
And so I was like, oh, myintern just didn't know to say
this this way and this this wayand this this way.
And so I called my intern and Iwas like I left her a voicemail.
I said, hey, you might want toconsider.
This is why this personresponded this way when you do
(07:42):
this in the future, say it thisway, because that might provide
a little bit more understanding.
And so I went through the carwash and when I got out of the
car wash, I looked at my phoneand it said my intern's name.
It was just a little likeprompt on my phone, and it said
(08:02):
something along the lines ofheard and understood.
Prompt on my phone.
And it said something along thelines of heard and understood.
And I was like, wow, thatdoesn't sound like like the
spirit of my intern heard andunderstood.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Did you text GPT instead of your intern?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
No, I didn't.
I turned on AI on my iPhone, Iupdated my software and so now
it's giving me prompts.
It's telling me what my internsaid was heard and understood,
and then, when I went and lookedat what she actually said to me
, she said I got your voicemailand listened to it, and that
makes complete sense.
I will consider that movingforward.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So they said the same thing interesting wait chat.
But they said I translated whatshe said.
That's really weird.
Yes, is that for?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
me, and what app was doing that?
I don't, it's just my phonelike there's no, there's no app.
It was like apple was like hey,ai click yes or no.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The yes one's really pretty with a lot of yeah and
you don't even think about it.
Yeah, right right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
And now that shit's coming upon my phone and my whole point
being is that, like that, I feellike, is taking us further and
further away from like be yourauthentic self, be unattached,
be blah, blah, blah, blah blah,because we're going to be just
getting fed this like theseCheerios over here.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
You got to find a way to turnthat off.
I don't think it should changewhat we say as humans.
I think it should be.
A helpful assistant is what I'mlooking for.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh yeah, like I'm looking for that too.
What I'm saying is wow, how canyou possibly immediately trust?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh, I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That it is that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, I totally agree.
I was with you, kat.
I was absolutely with you.
I feel like you're always withme, okay, so I actually asked.
Here's my other thing I likeabout ChatGPT is I appreciate
(10:20):
how it and I know this causessome people's security issues
but I appreciate how it gets toknow you, and so the other day I
asked it directly everythingthat I have entered into chat
gpt, what do you, what advicewould you give me?
And it gave me the bestfreaking advice me and it gave
(10:49):
me the best freaking advice youhave.
I mean, can you share it?
Let me?
Let me look.
I should have.
I think I couldn't to somedegree, um, but I mean, you know
, I I put a lot in there, as faras even working through some
stuff.
I'm not saying like inner workand stuff, but I put a lot in
there when it comes to creativeprojects I'm working on and
things like that.
Let's see what it said Um, uh,okay, okay, okay, here's what I
(11:22):
said.
What advice would you give mebased on what you know about me?
Here's what it said Lean intoyour authenticity.
You're passionate about helpingothers be themselves, and your
own journey has beentransformative.
Keep modeling that courage bysharing your story and podcast
and your coaching practice.
Vulnerability resonates deeplywith you.
(11:44):
And then it said prioritizeself-care between coaching,
podcasting and traveling.
You have a lot on your plate.
The funny thing is it forgotabout my job.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's what I noticed it basically, here's what I
think is trying to tell you news.
Are you ready for it?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
retirement I would love to.
I text a friend today and saidI I need to come into some money
and just travel for a living,so it forgot about my job.
But then it says make sure tocarve out moments for yourself,
whether it's hiking, meditatingor journaling about your growth
and reflections.
And then it gave me.
(12:29):
It gave me recommendations onpodcast growth.
I mean, it knows what'simportant to me for sure.
And then it gave yourecommendations on podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Focus on consistency, engage, consistency, engage,
fail, engage your audience, fail, fail.
And cross promotion uh, fail.
So uh, it gave merecommendations on travel and
then visionary projects.
I have, but okay, so back tofailing.
(13:01):
On the um, engaging ouraudience part, I need to tell
you a funny ass story.
Okay, all right.
I mean I need to be verypolitically correct in this one
area so let me think throughthis.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, do you want to like put your feet on?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
so a few months ago we we came, we brought ourselves
, we brought our beautiful, fineasses to TikTok, and what that
means is um, basically, we wouldjust share clips of the podcast
and a visual um on TikTok andum and you know, I was doing a
pretty good job for a whilethere updating it and um, so
(13:42):
anyway, I we gained somefollowers there and I was ready
to start building that.
Well then, the TikTok banhappens.
I would like to remind everyonethat probably by the time you
hear this, the new president isthe one that banned it, also the
one who's saying he's unbanningit as of today, which is Sunday
, january 19th, at 4.51 pmCentral Standard Time.
(14:03):
So apparently, those who havedownloaded tiktok can actually
access it again.
But that's not the point.
So I'm on tiktok.
Yesterday, and all of this dramahappened in the industry that
we work in there was a specificvideo posted about an artist.
(14:23):
I won't go into the details ofwhat it was, but it was a pretty
big deal.
Well then there became, uh,people who were doing like
stitches on that video, so youhad a lot of people going.
Did you see that So-and-so postthis right?
So I was watching one of thoseyesterday and I'm on the cat
(14:44):
moose podcast, tiktok page andand I was like, oh wow you did.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You did something that represented all three of us
yeah sorry, that representedall three of us sorted down, so
I uh, I'm watching it and I waslike oh wow, like that was whoa.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
And so I thought that I hit the forward button to
send to someone, and then Iusually hit copy link and then
I'll text it to someone, becauseI, you know, I'm still new in
TikTok who is someone, so itdoesn't matter who.
The point is is that I didn'tdo that.
(15:24):
What I did.
No, I'll tell you what happenednext.
So I closed the app, I text itto the person and I did get a
link somehow and I text it tothe person and then I walk away
from my phone, which is never agood idea, after you know.
I just was like wow, that wasshocking.
I move on.
I come back to my phone and Ihave these Tik TOK things that
(15:48):
showing up on the front of myphone and it's like uh, one of
them says there I'll say thisthere is a um, a trade
organization for our industry,that um, we have friends who've
been on the board and thingslike that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
You know, you know the one.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I won't say what it is no, yeah, they had viewed a
video that I reposted.
Oh, and that's what it said.
It said the blank has viewedthe video you reposted and, I
thought, reposted.
That is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
No way it gets better .
Did your butthole move up intoyour throat?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh, I just like shit myself, and so I go in.
I have no idea, inside TikTok,how to un-repost.
I can't even see what I'vereposted.
I assume it was the last thingthat I watched, which is not
something I would like to repost, because I assume it was the
last thing that I watched, whichis not something I would like
to repost, because it's sort ofjust like you know, go, hey,
come over here and watch this.
(16:53):
And so what did I do?
I went TikTok is shutting downin two hours.
I deleted our account on TikTok.
I didn't.
I didn't.
I could have reinstated it in30 days, I just would delete.
(17:14):
And it said forever or for 30days.
And I said forever.
I just didn't want anyone tosee that we had reposted
something that was not the bestvideo, and so, oh my God, so we
are no longer on TikTok, even ifTikTok gets reinstated.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What I was thinking?
What I was thinking is I wasthinking that you were going to
say Kat, we've gone viral andyou had no idea.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, but that would be easily believable too, and, to
be honest, I should have justkept it up there, because it is
sort of the content we wouldrepost.
It just wasn't what I meant todo, and so I panicked, and now
we're right, I mean.
I don't think we can get any ofour videos back, so we're going
to start over If Tik TOKhappens, we're we're restarting
(18:15):
and I apologize, but it's all Iknew to do.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I, I Moose the fact that you handle the fact
that I I just found out todaythat cat and moose has a tiktok
we did, we used to, and it wasgreat while it lasted yeah.
So I mean, like I I am, so I, Itrust you, I believe in you, I
(18:40):
trust you with the cat and moosepodcast brand on tiktok and all
other social media platformswell, thank you so much, yeah,
you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
What did you bring to the podcast today, Kat?
What would you like to?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
talk about.
Well, I was just going to lookat my notes.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
By the way, this is unedited, guys, remember Sarah
producer.
Sarah is not here.
Well, they can't forget.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Moose, because it sounds like shit, so they can't
forget.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It doesn't sound like shit.
It just doesn't have musicaround it and it's not edited.
So look, now you get to hearour fights go.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, I really want an L a F D hoodie.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh, I know what that means.
Los Angeles fire department wehaven't even talked about the
fires?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
No, we haven't.
And and I I don't.
I don't even know what to sayabout the fires.
I'm a person who lives inNashville, tennessee, where
there's a dusting of snow on theground, like I, I don't even
know what the people of LosAngeles, southern California,
like, like all the areas havebeen affected, like I have no
idea what they're going through.
(19:50):
So who am I to talk about it?
And you asked what I broughtand I was watching one of the
playoff games today and the LARams all their people were
wearing LA.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it's like the ironically the same colors as
the blue angels, like a Royalblue and a bright yellow, and I
was like I want one of thosehoodies.
And what I did?
I went and did a bunch ofsearching and I could never find
anywhere where I could buy oneof those that was actually
committed to doing something tohelp support the fire department
(20:28):
of of anywhere SouthernCalifornia.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well shit.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
What are you going to do about that?
Well, I I don't know what Ineed to do about it, but it's
like I don't want to wear anLAFD sweatshirt just to look
like I, I'm up with the times.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Like.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I want to wear it because I help make a difference
in that situation and it justreally bugged me that that's how
like capitalist we've become.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
There's got to be somebody who the entire donation
is going to Well.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I'm going to find it for you.
Teach me, please find it for me, and I will buy a sweatshirt.
I will thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yes, I mean I was consumed with watching the news
of the la fires, as I do withany natural disaster that
happens.
Um, and there are some crazyconspiracies out there.
I don't know any of that.
Oh my gosh, I hate them all.
(21:31):
Just for the record, I do lovea conspiracy theory, but these
are tough.
Mel Gibson went on the JoeRogan podcast and you know how
twitchy he is already, like youkind of which one I always feel
like he's on little something,something.
Joe or Mel huh, joe or MelGibson, mel Gibson, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know, sorry if he's your Jesus, but um, uh.
So he goes on and basically islike, yeah, I mean I'd like to
know who started these, and likewas hinting that it was arson.
Also was like, why wasn't thereany water in the Palisades,
(22:14):
which you know?
I don't know if you heard aboutthat, but there were some
disputes of whether there wasenough water when the Palisades
fire was happening.
Enough water for what Water?
To put the fire out, Like inthe sorry, sorry in the hydrants
but like is, is that arequirement?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
like is there supposed to be?
And the and the fire hydrants?
Yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay,yeah, to put the fire out.
No, I understand the concept.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I feel like we're on two different planets, right?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
now, oh man, it's probably because there's a lot
of like conjunct and likesextile and like there's a lot
going on in astrology right now.
That is that is making shitreally weird, and so that's all
that.
I am totally.
I was just saying so basicallythere was a root, like in it was
somewhat true.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So basically there was a root like in it was
somewhat true, I guess, thatthere wasn't enough water in the
hydrants, but Mel Gibson'spoint was like that was on
purpose to when this happened,that all these houses would be
burned down.
It was insane.
So it's just been very odd tosee all of those things come out
(23:22):
and I look, I always assumethat we don't know the whole
truth, but um, I think it was aseries of unfortunate events
with the santa ana winds andfire.
I know there was some arsoninvolved, so I'm not saying it
wasn't that, but, man, that wasawful to see oh, I mean, it's
just terrible.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's terrible to see people suffer and it's terrible
to see people experience loss,like, and if that people is
Jennifer Garner or if thatpeople is homeless person over
here, there's no difference.
Like there's no difference.
It's like I mean there's a hugedifference, gosh.
(24:03):
But like, I guess what I'msaying is that, like, seeing
people experience loss, it feelsI feel helpless.
Like I feel I feel like, well,what do I?
What do I do?
Like, do I go to my next bodywork appointment with an LAFD
Sure?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Sweatshirt on, because that's the only place I
can be myself.
You know, I'll tell yousomething that you can do.
Okay, um nb goods, who is basedhere in nashville, woman owned
um, she made an altadena hat notthat you wear a lot of hats,
(24:42):
but it it's really cool.
It looks like the LA Dodgers,la, and she flipped it and it
says Altadena, which is one ofthe big fires that happened, and
that is like the working classarea.
In her words, I think, she saidwhere the black and brown
people live, and so she.
I know that she made a hat thatyou can purchase in.
100 percent of those donationsdo go to the community.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Okay, out did you in a hat.
I just texted that to myself,and it's the company is NB goods
in B as in boy.
Excellent Thanks.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's not an LPD, LAPD , FD.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, it's not a lpd, lapd, fd.
You know what I'm saying?
No, it's not.
And and and I guess that's whatI'm saying is like I'm
attracted to the idea by themarketing yay, marketing people,
you did a really good thing.
But like, if you can't, if youcan't convince me that it's
gonna do some good, like I'm notgonna buy into that shit, you
know, and so some good, like I'mnot going to buy into that shit
, you know.
And so this thing, like I'lltotally, totally rock that.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Speaking of chat GPT, I also read somewhere that or
somebody posted this that it'slike 100 million times worse for
the globe than just Googlingsomething, so we do have to be
aware of that.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wait, wait what.
It's 100 times worse for theglobe.
Now I'm just floating out of myass.
Did you hear what you just said?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, Chat GPT versus Googling.
Okay, let's see For the earth.
That's what I'm looking for forthe earth, okay.
Uh, google search issignificantly better for the
(26:35):
earth and the environmentalimpact as it uses considerably
less energy per query meaning asmall carbon footprint compared
to chat GPT, which requires amuch higher energy consumption
to generate responses.
Essentially, each chat GPTquery can be considered more
environmentally taxing than aGoogle search.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean yeah, I mean good, no, no no, I mean, is this
the podcast?
It is what do you?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
oh god, um well, I was gonna talk about fear.
Do you want to talk about that?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
wait, talk about what you just said.
What about chat, gbt and theenergy it takes?
Oh, you want to talk about that?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh, I thought you asked what's next on my list.
What do you mean?
I know.
Why Are you yelling at me forusing it?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm not at all.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
What are you saying?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I felt like you wanted to have a conversation
about how Google searching andchat GBT searching expends
different energy levels.
No, I just wanted to share it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I didn't want to have any more conversation.
Okay, you know why it's like Irecycle, but I'm pretty sure it
still ends up in the landfillLike I don't.
Right, right, I'm not ready togive up chat GPT?
That's why I don't want to talkabout it.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's a very selfish reason.
Yeah, you're not.
Yeah, you are my people and I'mso glad, so what is the next
thing?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh, I want to talk about fear.
Sorry for my interruption.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's what we have an editor for.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, we don't.
Today we don't, okay, fear.
So a friend of ours sent methis post the hardest prison we
live in is the one oh, sorry,the hardest prison to live in is
the one I built to feel safethe hardest prison we to.
Oh God, oh my God, I didn'teven read it, right, that's so I
(28:54):
know where to edit.
Oh wait, I'm not editing.
Okay, the hardest prison toleave is the one I built to feel
safe.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh gosh, yeah, I mean okay why what prison did you
build'm tell me I, I, I don'tknow here's how I'm gonna answer
that.
I was sitting at the tablethat's in my like kind of like
breakfast nook in my house, likeI don't really I've got a
(29:26):
dining room but I hardly evereat in the dining room like I
normally eat in this little kindof nook, and I was sitting
there you just like to say nook,nook.
I like to say nook, and I wassitting there today and I I
invited the person I was therewith to play cards, uh-huh.
And so I said, would you?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
like to play cards?
You said person.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Would you like to play cards?
Person, would you like to playcards?
And AI said back to me yes, Iwould like to play your favorite
family game of cards.
Called Me.
That consists of seven hands ofcontract Rummy.
That is really a derivative ofMichigan Rummy.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that's what happened.
Is this where we tell peoplethat you live with an ai robot?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
yes, yes, now you guys know, I know it's weird.
It's not weird, though is itokay no, it's, it's fine, it's.
I also have a driverless carbecause I can't see well enough
to drive anymore.
So it's perfect, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Um, I really kind of thought of that I was gonna ask
you about that yeah, because youhate driving at night.
Why would you not get adriverless car?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Like I want a driverless car, so bad.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Do it Trade in that Audi for a little Tessie?
Oh, I do love my Audi.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's a beautiful car, I love my car.
Anyway, oh my gosh Getting offtrack here.
Can you help me Anyway?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
oh my gosh getting off track here.
Can you help me?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you were at the nook andwe were talking about fear and
the prison.
Yes, the prison we build tofeel safe.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
We build to feel safe .
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You're such a good friend I know I'm amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, so, um, basically, like I scraped all of
like the crumbs on the table tothe edge of the table, but I
restrained myself from justwiping them off the table onto
the floor that's amazing.
And so I said I just noticedsomething about myself.
(31:23):
And they, they said, well, whatis that?
And I said in my childhood Iwould have just scraped that off
the table because I knew my momwas going to pick it up.
I just knew like I don't haveto even these crumbs, I get to
just like wipe them off thetable Cause mom's going to pick
them up and like how asshole isthat?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I, I did that stuff too.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, that, but that that was my experience.
There's no.
I mean, I know there's tons ofjudgment from everybody
listening, and for me there's nojudgment.
That's just.
That's just how I grew up.
And so they said to me and sowhat made you restrain from
(32:09):
pushing them off to the floor?
And I was like, well, becauselike I've grown older, like I
know that there's not somebodyto just like hang around and
wait on me.
And that felt like, oh, likeI've progressed, like as a
person, like, yay, like I'm, I'memotionally maturing, and also
(32:33):
like recognizing that, like thatis changing in my life.
Yeah, I am, I am becoming anadult.
Yes, yes, it's like, it's likeI'm becoming an adult.
I'm becoming the person thathas to deal with the spilled
crumbs on the floor.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, and like that's scary, as, oh yeah, the buck
stops here.
I say that all the time, goddang it.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's scary.
So to your point of fear.
That's where.
That's where I went.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I like that, um, so what would your prison be?
I want to know.
Oh, maybe that you're notresponsible until you are.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, my prison would be that I am responsible.
Right, exactly, yeah yeah, andsay the quote again, if you will
.
Let's see if I can get it right.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The hardest prison to leave is the one I built to
feel safe yeah, so it's like I'm.
I'm here in that place where mymom always picks up my crumbs
yeah I've built that place tofeel safe I think you've picked
up your crumbs for a while, forwhat it's worth.
I I just don't think we noticeit as much as other people do.
(33:44):
But I will say this I feel likethe one thing that all of us
need to hear is like I don'tthink we ever grow up, like I
remember being a kid and likelooking at people our age and
being like, oh wow, they mustknow how to do things at that
age and there there's no waylike, yes, you learn how to
(34:06):
navigate, but I don't think anyof us really are like maybe like
by your sixties, you know likeI see Oprah now and she feels
like she's got her shit together, but she's also rich, yeah,
yeah, it's like.
But I think we always strugglewith the same things until we
don't anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah yeah.
That's hard shit.
And like I was kind of thinkingtoday about how, like, if I
believe at all in this likereincarnation thing, or like I
am one of many iterations ofwhat the spirit of me is you
know, know, like maybe I was theyellow emperor and maybe I am
(34:48):
an alien in the future, because,like it's all, the same, like I
was thinking about all thattoday and then I just lost my
train of thought.
So that's a great podcast thankyou.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Thank you for for joining us today.
Yes, thank you this is the catand moose podcast and uh, okay,
so here's what I wanted to sayabout fear.
Um, I had someone very importantto me say that they didn't want
me to live in fear anymore andit like you know how you just
(35:25):
have like a little earthquakeinside of yourself sometime and
you're like the perfect thing issaid at the perfect time and I
felt very much like that waswhat had happened, and I have
been working with chat gpt, myother therapist, on how to
(35:45):
identify fear and what to dowith it and all of those things
and, um, what, what I'm learningis obviously the two different
sides of the brain and how youknow, the left side basically is
the one that's always freakingout on us.
But I'm learning sort of thekindness of my new practice is,
(36:08):
if something comes up and I feelthis immediate anxiety or fear,
their hand and I go, at 11, youare not capable to do this, and
(36:30):
so that's why that feelspanicked.
But remember, we're not 11anymore, we're 46 years old and
we have a few more tools, butsometimes that person that
raised their hand is 46 yearsold.
Oh, wow Like she is me, and partof the fear has to do with
(36:52):
perception.
Like, not just perception, butalso like livelihood.
I would say so to answer thisquestion.
I build for myself to feel safe.
I think I, the prison I builtis the idea that everything is
(37:15):
going to fall apart, Like thatcomes up in my therapy all the
time.
Like, like so I just I don'ttake and look, I can be a risky
person.
So like I definitely can't.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
You're an eight.
You're an eight, you're likefire ready.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But I do think that fear has kept me from putting
myself out there in the world ina way where I am sharing my own
vulnerability, like I know I doit on this podcast, but like I
would love to put the things Iwrite out into the world.
I would love to put the thingsI feel the things I love out
(37:52):
into the world and I have builtthis.
Like fucking bunker is what itis, like archie bunker.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I, I like, have built thislittle underground place that
nobody's allowed to visit andGod forbid that you do, because
I have, you know, landmines setup around it, right, right,
(38:17):
because I don't want, I don'twant to, I don't want to be too
much or too forward or too fillin the blank.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Too liberal, which I am.
I'm so liberal and I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, oh, I love it too.
It's one of the many millionsof things I love about you.
And I'm curious, like you weresaying the word bunker and I
kept thinking of the kicker ofthe.
I think it's the.
Is it the Kansas City ChiefsButker?
Oh, no, I don't know him.
We he's.
He used to be our kicker theTitans kicker I should know that
(38:57):
when we sucked, even a littlebit less than we do now, yeah,
he was.
He was our kicker and he wasthe guy who basically said
something along the lines oflike women oh yeah, I remember
that, because I remember thatyeah and like, as you kept
saying bunker, I kept justthinking butker kicker no, but
like an underground situation.
(39:18):
Yeah, yeah yeah, that's wherethat's kind of your safe place.
Yeah, like that's where youdon't want to.
You don't want to come out Idon't because there's people
like butker doing shit like whathe's doing, like why's where?
You don't want to, you don'twant to come out.
I don't because there's peoplelike butker doing shit like what
exactly like why?
Why do you want to exposeyourself to that kind of?
I mean?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I legitimately have friends who have a plan of what
to do if shit goes bad withTrump, Like this is the opposite
of what I feel like we had whenBiden took office.
You have people that are likeprepping to keep food, Cause
they thought Biden was going toI don't know what he's going to
(39:58):
do Give them too much money orsomething, but it's like I
literally have friends that arescared scared for what is you,
you like, like, can we reallysit with this for a minute?
Yeah, I don't want to share toomany details, but I had a
conversation this week with somefriends who actually live in a
(40:18):
blue state, who are legitimatelyafraid of what could happen.
And I'm not saying my bunker isabout that.
My bunker is really about nottrusting.
I mean it has something to dowith the pandemic and politics.
I will say that.
But like totally, I'm notnecessarily going to that,
saying I really have a bunker.
(40:39):
I want to say that I don't havea bunker, but I have friends who
are scared and so I can relateto that to some degree.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
But like they have plans for and that's, I guess,
that's what I want to talk aboutis like what kind of plans?
Because I am, I am um.
What is it called um whenyou're ignorant and oblivious?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I?
I I don't know what they're.
What they're I?
I know that they have a a safeplace to go to and like, but
what is?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I don't know, I don't know.
How do you know what that means?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
place that they trust .
I don't know what their fear is, even specifically, but I do
know that there is fear andthat's frightening to me.
Anyway, all that to say, I wantto operate this year, in 2025,
with less fear, and I don't knowhow the frick I'm gonna do it,
but I'm gonna really, reallyattempt to do this okay, can I?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
can I ask a question?
So you said you want to operatein 2025 with less fear is there
a way that you can reframe thatthat says I want to operate in
2025 with more?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
um, okay, that's great.
I love that.
Um, I just learned that'scalled a replacement.
Thought oh, okay.
Um, I want to live in 2025 withmore.
Is bravery the right word?
(42:15):
What's something like bravery?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
With more.
Okay, ask just for one second,Like see if anywhere in your
body has the word I want tooperate in 2025 with more.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It's a Jewish word, it's like, or something like
that.
What?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
is that word?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Is that a Jewish word Like this is terrible, like
everyone.
I am so sorry.
I am so sorry.
What word is a Jewish phrasethat means balls?
(43:06):
Oh, what is it?
See it's chutzpah.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's what I thought it's spelled C-H-U-T-Z-P-A-H.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Oh wait, and then underneath here it says what is
booby and Jewish slang Booby,it's a term.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, no, yeah, that.
See, that's where AI like Ithink they're just like going
like what does this look like?
And we did this.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's like that's not.
How do you say that?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I that's not.
How do you?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
say that.
I've never known how to saythat, I've always said it.
Yeah, it's like a kh sound, soI that's the word that came up
like the audacity I want to haveall that's the word audacity
yes yes, that feels right to me.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yes, good, good, and so I think that that I feel like
that is potentially a betterreframe of your desire.
I like more chutzpah, yeah morechutzpah, chutzpah.
(44:13):
Yeah, more chutzpah.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Look, I need someone who's Jewish to call into the
podcast and just send me a voicememo of how to say this
correctly.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You don't even have to be Jewish.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
You just have to have more of chutzpah than I do.
It's not Jewish by the way it'sYiddish.
Yiddish is the right way to saythat.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah and I want to just offer all respect to all
traditions.
So the things that we get wrongon the podcast, the things that
we do really well on thepodcast, we hope, kind of
outweigh the things we get wrong, and and so we absolutely love
and welcome all of you.
Like all of you who are here,like you are welcomed, like we,
(44:56):
anything that might feel alittle bit triggering or
whatever, it is just ignorance.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's just ignorance, it's not wow, that was a 30
second disclaimer, but I doagree with you.
It is our hearts and I did justlisten.
Listen to this can you hear it?
Cat hold on, hold on, hold on.
Girl hold on, um, okay, is thisit?
Could you hear it?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
no, well, my goodness , I feel like I want a tattoo
that says that I might need thattoo.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We should get it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Can you show it to me one more time so I can write?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
it down.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
C-H-U-T-Z-pah.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Okay, chutzpah, listen Anyway.
Oh no, it's hutzpa h-u-t-s.
Okay, we spent a lot of time onthat.
Here's what I want to tell you.
Is the uh, the wikipedia abouthutzpa?
Um, it is the quality ofaudacity.
Oh, that's beautiful, for goodor for bad.
(46:12):
A close english equivalent issometimes the hubris, the word
hubris, the word derives fromthe Hebrew something, chespa,
meaning insolence, cheek oraudacity.
Thus the original Yiddish wordhas a strong negative
connotation, but the form whichentered English as a Yiddish ism
(46:35):
and American English has takenon a broader meaning, having
been popularized through thevernacular used in film,
literature and television.
And American English.
The word is sometimesinterpreted, particularly in
business parlance parlance, Idon't know as meaning the amount
of courage, metal or ardor thatan individual has.
(46:56):
Well, there you have it.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, I didn't understand that last sentence,
me either.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I would edit it, but Lord knows, we don't have a
producer today.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
We don't.
I love you, moose, and I reallyam excited about your
forthcoming chutzpah.
I am too Thanks for helping meHootspa.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I am too Thanks for helping me reframe that.
I have one more thing I need totell you.
I did what's called LensNeurofeedback last week.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh what.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
How, why, who Tell me everything?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So my therapist recommended it, and you know
where my therapist is right,it's in that same sort of area.
Okay, Anyway, LensNeurofeedback it's supposed to
help with anxiety, ADHD, PTSD,depression, all kinds of things
(47:51):
like that.
So I didn't really know what toexpect.
But I went in there and had toexpect, Um, but I went in there
and had to do all this paperworkfirst, and then she like really
went through the paperwork andand, uh, anyway, I laugh and
I'll tell you later why but um,it was basically five seconds of
these little pads on the backof my neck.
She didn't even put them on myhead Cause she thought I was too
(48:14):
sensitive to have them on myhead.
Um, which I totally agree with.
I mean, I'm so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, of course, cause you're special.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Anyway, this is how I described it to her.
So it was five seconds of thiselectronic wave thing and a
little chart comes up.
I don't see any of that.
And then she waits two to threeminutes after she puts it
through, and only did it oncefor the first time.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
And you're feeling nothing for that.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I didn't feel anything for the five seconds
that she actually put thatthrough.
The two or three minutes isnothing.
You're just there to take it in.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Okay, and it felt like I had smoked a joint.
Really.
No, I don't mean like euphoricor anything like like, I don't
mean like I was like out of mymind or anything like that, but
it was like my body felt like itwas buzzing in a positive way.
Huh, cool, yeah.
And so, you know, some peopledon't feel anything.
(49:14):
She said for five to 10sessions, but she was like you
know, some people don't feelanything.
She said for five to 10sessions, uh, but she was like
you know, some do, or whatever.
So I told her that and shestarted laughing.
She's like you're not the firstperson to compare it to that.
And um, I was like can I drive?
You know I'm just kidding, butum, I'm going back, but were you
, I mean.
I would have been worried again.
I'm going back, but were you, Imean, I would have been worried
(49:43):
again, and I'm really excitedbecause I I have hope that it
could.
The point of it, I suppose, isto sort of rewire your brain in
some ways and to help you getout of those ditches that we get
into of like rumination andthings like that.
So I'm pumped.
I know we like to share newmodalities that we're doing, so
yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, it's very cool.
So I feel like one of thethings that I heard about
ketamine when it kind of came onthe scene a few years ago was
that it was a huge helper ofbreaking addictions, because you
kind of got into this like forlack of a more educated way to
say it kind of like a psilocybintype state, like you kind of
(50:22):
got in this state of just likespirit is awesome and God is
amazing and blah, blah, blah,and for some reason that helps
you kind of move out ofaddiction.
Is that your understanding?
yeah, I've heard that for sure,yeah yeah, yeah, and so is this
similar like, is it?
Or because it feels a littlebit like emdr, like kind of
(50:43):
resetting?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
yeah, I mean I do think it is similar in the way
that it is is trying toreprogram something in your
brain.
I know that there are likecrazy studies out there, peer
reviewed stuff, saying that thisneurofeedback works, especially
for PTSD people.
(51:05):
In fact she said that the VAmedical hospital actually covers
it insurance wise for veteransbecause it has worked so well.
So I would say it's in the samevein of, you know, trying to
find more natural ways ofhealing.
Um yeah, and if I could doketamine every week, I would.
(51:25):
I just it's like expensive asas it's really expensive so.
I'd probably do that two orthree times a year, but it does
feel like it brings me back to alevel playing field.
Ketamine does.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Cool, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I don't know how expensive this might get, but
I'm hoping that I could at leastget to a place where I feel a
little bit above all of thestuff.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm hoping the same thing for
you, I'm hoping the same thingfor you and, and like I've been
doing this regenerative medicinefor my foot and I feel
similarly, I'm like you know,like I want it to work, I'm
paying a lot of money for it.
I'm I'm willing to pay for itif it actually does a thing, and
I also don't want to be like,have the wool pulled over my
(52:17):
eyes.
So it's like, it's like youknow, if it helps, great.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
If it doesn't, like, please just leave me alone you
know, Well, that was a great wayto end the podcast, Do you?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
do you?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
have any?
Um, do you have a price?
Is right?
Uh Right, spay and neuter forthe audience today, kat.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
I think today mine would be.
This is the Year of the Snake.
Shed your own skin.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh, I like that, that really fits with the fear.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Can I say it one more time?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
If the skin is the fear too, yeah, can I say it one
more time?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
This is the Year of the Snake.
Shed your old skin.
The fear too.
Yeah, can I say it one moretime?
This is the year of the snake.
Shed your old skin.
That's good.
How about you, moose?
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I like that.
You did that like we were goingto edit it, so you got to hear
that twice, guys.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
I hope it really resonated.
I'm so pampered.
I'm so pampered by producerSarah.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Mine is going to be.
Don't forget to pack yourchutzpah.
Yeah, does that mean I have toget like something that hangs
off the back of my truck?
Speaker 1 (53:29):
no, no, no no, you I mean you can.
If that brings you into yourfullest self, like, like, if
that's something that's a partof your process, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Do you, women, do you like the idea of having?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
a set of breasts hanging off the back of your
truck.
No, no, no.
You thought I was goingsomewhere else, didn't you I?
I did, I'd be any.
Any of these places you'regoing are uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
No, the answer is no.
All right, guys, we love you.
Have a great week.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Special thanks to our producer Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
To find out more, go to cat and news podcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
welcome to the cat and moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm cat and I'm moose .
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
I I felt like your face said Idon't know what's up.
We haven't even started thepodcast I know we haven't.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey hey Moose.
Okay, hey Kat.
Hey Moose, hey Kat.
We've established that I'm notfollowing.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Okay.
So if you're a patron, youheard a lot just now and I'm not
going to apologize for it, butI'm not going to share it for
everyone else either and I'm notgoing to apologize for it, um,
but I'm not gonna share it foreveryone else either, and and
I'm not gonna apologize for iteither, and I'm not gonna
approve it being sent to thepublic what I just shared, yeah
(00:55):
why?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
oh no, wait your part , your part is fine.
Yeah, your part's great, okay,whatever, yeah cat.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
cat is.
Uh, sarah is on a jury trial.
If you missed last week'sepisode, she is sequestered in a
part of the state that wecannot mention.
It is a murder trial.
I've been watching itincessantly, as have our friends
, and more to come there, but weare in charge of the podcast
(01:24):
this week, which is afrightening thing I mean I'm
impressed we got this far,aren't you?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I, I am too.
Yeah, I am too because I havetruly like disengaged from work
this weekend.
Good, I have.
I have truly like.
I have slept ridiculous hours.
I have slept at weird timesthat I don't normally sleep.
I have had drinks during theday.
(01:50):
I have I have just had a reallyrelaxing weekend.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I feel the same way.
I feel like this weekend umfeels sort of like the Christmas
holiday again, where I'm likewait, cause I know we have a
holiday with martin luther kingday coming up, um right, and so
I know I have an extra day thereand I've been the same way.
I've just kind of done whateverI wanted to do, which is nice
(02:16):
yeah, that is nice.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
What, what did you do ?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
um, I've not read, I've listened.
I've read a book.
That's actually true.
I read Mel Robbins book, thelet them theory, or whatever
that's called, what?
Yeah, I know that's amazing,isn't it?
Um, and then I am now listeningto Martha Beck's book beyond
(02:40):
anxiety, which is, uh, reallygood.
Um, being a Martha Beckfollower, um, I was excited to
start hearing that and um,anyway, it's really fascinating.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
so, would you?
Would you share the cliff notesof Mel Robbins, let them?
Because I I feel like I've kindof in my social media feeds, I
feel like I've kind of in mysocial media feeds, I feel like
I've been teased, that it's like, oh, she wrote a book, oh, it's
called Let them, and I'm like,what a compelling title.
Because, like, what does thatmean?
Yeah, like are we, are we angry?
Like well, just let them beassholes.
(03:16):
Or it's like do we mean, justlet them be them and I'll be me.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, I'll be.
It's basically that.
It's basically the second.
It is that okay yeah, it's likeyeah, okay, so you have a
mother-in-law who you literallyevery time you're together, she
critiques you or something likethat.
Um, the idea is, instead ofletting that you know have all
(03:40):
of the control it could haveover you, let them be who they
are.
And, yeah, the unattached ideathat you just said is, it's kind
of where it's at and she goesthrough different areas.
Um, there's been somecontroversy around this book, I
guess, because there's someonewho raised their hand and said I
actually wrote that idea onmediumcom, you know the, where
(04:07):
people write all their fancyblogs and stuff, um, but I don't
know if anything's come of it,but regardless it's a cool idea.
Like um.
I appreciate the idea becausein theory it's kind of that maya
angelo quote we talk about allthe time.
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
When somebody shows you who they are, pay attention
or believe them believe them,believe them, yeah well, and I'm
interested in this topic aswell because, um, it just makes
me think about I have a client,um, I don't know if I want to
say that, um, look at yourdiscernment kicking in Um um, I
(04:43):
think that AI and all that itcan do is very, very fascinating
.
For example, I asked AI lastnight I was thinking about one
of my clients and I asked AIwill you create an acupressure
routine for me that would helpan artist who is a singer before
(05:05):
they sing on stage?
I love that.
I think that's.
I think that's the the gist ofwhat I asked chat gbt and it
gave me, literally like from oneof my acupressure books, like
that was written back in the1970s, that we all know was
really written back in thefucking negative 3000s in
ancient china, whatever.
(05:26):
Like it gave me the hold thisspot in front of the
sternocleidomastoid, hold thisspot here, like hold cv.
You know it.
Like gave me all the things andit gave me all the reasons why.
And it it was like it wasfascinating and I thought, okay,
this is like ai being used forgood oh, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I I have on my list here my love affair with chat
gpt on my list to talk about, soI'm I'm thrilled about this
because there are people in thisworld and I think you and I
fall under this category thatwe're excellent idea people and
(06:07):
we know what we need.
But for whatever reason and Icould name a bunch of them the
idea of getting from a to q,those steps can bog us down so
much that we can get overwhelmed.
Yeah, and I feel like what chatgpt does is I can still come to
(06:32):
the table with my idea with anexcellent prompt, and within I
always count one, two.
I've never had more than fourseconds.
It'll still be typing sometimes, but like it can take with an
excellent prompt like this iswhat I'm looking for.
I try to give as much detail asI can and it puts together a
(06:53):
framework that I could never doon my own Right.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Right, and here's.
Here's what I'm wondering about.
It, though, is is can I giveyou an example of something that
happened to me this week?
Ok, so I am working with myintern on a spring tour that
we're working on, and she had aconversation with someone and
was describing the tour and thatperson was like, oh, this, this
(07:22):
and this might not work becauseof this.
And so I was like, oh, myintern just didn't know to say
this this way and this this wayand this this way.
And so I called my intern and Iwas like I left her a voicemail.
I said, hey, you might want toconsider.
This is why this personresponded this way when you do
(07:42):
this in the future, say it thisway, because that might provide
a little bit more understanding.
And so I went through the carwash and when I got out of the
car wash, I looked at my phoneand it said my intern's name.
It was just a little likeprompt on my phone, and it said
(08:02):
something along the lines ofheard and understood.
Prompt on my phone.
And it said something along thelines of heard and understood.
And I was like, wow, thatdoesn't sound like like the
spirit of my intern heard andunderstood.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Did you text GPT instead of your intern?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
No, I didn't.
I turned on AI on my iPhone, Iupdated my software and so now
it's giving me prompts.
It's telling me what my internsaid was heard and understood,
and then, when I went and lookedat what she actually said to me
, she said I got your voicemailand listened to it, and that
makes complete sense.
I will consider that movingforward.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So they said the same thing interesting wait chat.
But they said I translated whatshe said.
That's really weird.
Yes, is that for?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
me, and what app was doing that?
I don't, it's just my phonelike there's no, there's no app.
It was like apple was like hey,ai click yes or no.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The yes one's really pretty with a lot of yeah and
you don't even think about it.
Yeah, right right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So I was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
And now that shit's coming upon my phone and my whole point
being is that, like that, I feellike, is taking us further and
further away from like be yourauthentic self, be unattached,
be blah, blah, blah, blah blah,because we're going to be just
getting fed this like theseCheerios over here.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, I don't know about that.
You got to find a way to turnthat off.
I don't think it should changewhat we say as humans.
I think it should be.
A helpful assistant is what I'mlooking for.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh yeah, like I'm looking for that too.
What I'm saying is wow, how canyou possibly immediately trust?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh, I agree.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That it is that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, I totally agree.
I was with you, kat.
I was absolutely with you.
I feel like you're always withme, okay, so I actually asked.
Here's my other thing I likeabout ChatGPT is I appreciate
(10:20):
how it and I know this causessome people's security issues
but I appreciate how it gets toknow you, and so the other day I
asked it directly everythingthat I have entered into chat
gpt, what do you, what advicewould you give me?
And it gave me the bestfreaking advice me and it gave
(10:49):
me the best freaking advice youhave.
I mean, can you share it?
Let me?
Let me look.
I should have.
I think I couldn't to somedegree, um, but I mean, you know
, I I put a lot in there, as faras even working through some
stuff.
I'm not saying like inner workand stuff, but I put a lot in
there when it comes to creativeprojects I'm working on and
things like that.
Let's see what it said Um, uh,okay, okay, okay, here's what I
(11:22):
said.
What advice would you give mebased on what you know about me?
Here's what it said Lean intoyour authenticity.
You're passionate about helpingothers be themselves, and your
own journey has beentransformative.
Keep modeling that courage bysharing your story and podcast
and your coaching practice.
Vulnerability resonates deeplywith you.
(11:44):
And then it said prioritizeself-care between coaching,
podcasting and traveling.
You have a lot on your plate.
The funny thing is it forgotabout my job.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That's what I noticed it basically, here's what I
think is trying to tell you news.
Are you ready for it?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
retirement I would love to.
I text a friend today and saidI I need to come into some money
and just travel for a living,so it forgot about my job.
But then it says make sure tocarve out moments for yourself,
whether it's hiking, meditatingor journaling about your growth
and reflections.
And then it gave me.
(12:29):
It gave me recommendations onpodcast growth.
I mean, it knows what'simportant to me for sure.
And then it gave yourecommendations on podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Focus on consistency, engage, consistency, engage,
fail, engage your audience, fail, fail.
And cross promotion uh, fail.
So uh, it gave merecommendations on travel and
then visionary projects.
I have, but okay, so back tofailing.
(13:01):
On the um, engaging ouraudience part, I need to tell
you a funny ass story.
Okay, all right.
I mean I need to be verypolitically correct in this one
area so let me think throughthis.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, do you want to like put your feet on?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
so a few months ago we we came, we brought ourselves
, we brought our beautiful, fineasses to TikTok, and what that
means is um, basically, we wouldjust share clips of the podcast
and a visual um on TikTok andum and you know, I was doing a
pretty good job for a whilethere updating it and um, so
(13:42):
anyway, I we gained somefollowers there and I was ready
to start building that.
Well then, the TikTok banhappens.
I would like to remind everyonethat probably by the time you
hear this, the new president isthe one that banned it, also the
one who's saying he's unbanningit as of today, which is Sunday
, january 19th, at 4.51 pmCentral Standard Time.
(14:03):
So apparently, those who havedownloaded tiktok can actually
access it again.
But that's not the point.
So I'm on tiktok.
Yesterday, and all of this dramahappened in the industry that
we work in there was a specificvideo posted about an artist.
(14:23):
I won't go into the details ofwhat it was, but it was a pretty
big deal.
Well then there became, uh,people who were doing like
stitches on that video, so youhad a lot of people going.
Did you see that So-and-so postthis right?
So I was watching one of thoseyesterday and I'm on the cat
(14:44):
moose podcast, tiktok page andand I was like, oh wow you did.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You did something that represented all three of us
yeah sorry, that representedall three of us sorted down, so
I uh, I'm watching it and I waslike oh wow, like that was whoa.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
And so I thought that I hit the forward button to
send to someone, and then Iusually hit copy link and then
I'll text it to someone, becauseI, you know, I'm still new in
TikTok who is someone, so itdoesn't matter who.
The point is is that I didn'tdo that.
(15:24):
What I did.
No, I'll tell you what happenednext.
So I closed the app, I text itto the person and I did get a
link somehow and I text it tothe person and then I walk away
from my phone, which is never agood idea, after you know.
I just was like wow, that wasshocking.
I move on.
I come back to my phone and Ihave these Tik TOK things that
(15:48):
showing up on the front of myphone and it's like uh, one of
them says there I'll say thisthere is a um, a trade
organization for our industry,that um, we have friends who've
been on the board and thingslike that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
You know, you know the one.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I won't say what it is no, yeah, they had viewed a
video that I reposted.
Oh, and that's what it said.
It said the blank has viewedthe video you reposted and, I
thought, reposted.
That is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
No way it gets better .
Did your butthole move up intoyour throat?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Oh, I just like shit myself, and so I go in.
I have no idea, inside TikTok,how to un-repost.
I can't even see what I'vereposted.
I assume it was the last thingthat I watched, which is not
something I would like to repost, because I assume it was the
last thing that I watched, whichis not something I would like
to repost, because it's sort ofjust like you know, go, hey,
come over here and watch this.
(16:53):
And so what did I do?
I went TikTok is shutting downin two hours.
I deleted our account on TikTok.
I didn't.
I didn't.
I could have reinstated it in30 days, I just would delete.
(17:14):
And it said forever or for 30days.
And I said forever.
I just didn't want anyone tosee that we had reposted
something that was not the bestvideo, and so, oh my God, so we
are no longer on TikTok, even ifTikTok gets reinstated.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What I was thinking?
What I was thinking is I wasthinking that you were going to
say Kat, we've gone viral andyou had no idea.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
No, but that would be easily believable too, and, to
be honest, I should have justkept it up there, because it is
sort of the content we wouldrepost.
It just wasn't what I meant todo, and so I panicked, and now
we're right, I mean.
I don't think we can get any ofour videos back, so we're going
to start over If Tik TOKhappens, we're we're restarting
(18:15):
and I apologize, but it's all Iknew to do.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I, I Moose the fact that you handle the fact
that I I just found out todaythat cat and moose has a tiktok
we did, we used to, and it wasgreat while it lasted yeah.
So I mean, like I I am, so I, Itrust you, I believe in you, I
(18:40):
trust you with the cat and moosepodcast brand on tiktok and all
other social media platformswell, thank you so much, yeah,
you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
What did you bring to the podcast today, Kat?
What would you like to?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
talk about.
Well, I was just going to lookat my notes.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
By the way, this is unedited, guys, remember Sarah
producer.
Sarah is not here.
Well, they can't forget.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Moose, because it sounds like shit, so they can't
forget.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It doesn't sound like shit.
It just doesn't have musicaround it and it's not edited.
So look, now you get to hearour fights go.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, I really want an L a F D hoodie.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh, I know what that means.
Los Angeles fire department wehaven't even talked about the
fires?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
No, we haven't.
And and I I don't.
I don't even know what to sayabout the fires.
I'm a person who lives inNashville, tennessee, where
there's a dusting of snow on theground, like I, I don't even
know what the people of LosAngeles, southern California,
like, like all the areas havebeen affected, like I have no
idea what they're going through.
(19:50):
So who am I to talk about it?
And you asked what I broughtand I was watching one of the
playoff games today and the LARams all their people were
wearing LA.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
And it's like the ironically the same colors as
the blue angels, like a Royalblue and a bright yellow, and I
was like I want one of thosehoodies.
And what I did?
I went and did a bunch ofsearching and I could never find
anywhere where I could buy oneof those that was actually
committed to doing something tohelp support the fire department
(20:28):
of of anywhere SouthernCalifornia.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well shit.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
What are you going to do about that?
Well, I I don't know what Ineed to do about it, but it's
like I don't want to wear anLAFD sweatshirt just to look
like I, I'm up with the times.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Like.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I want to wear it because I help make a difference
in that situation and it justreally bugged me that that's how
like capitalist we've become.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
There's got to be somebody who the entire donation
is going to Well.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I'm going to find it for you.
Teach me, please find it for me, and I will buy a sweatshirt.
I will thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yes, I mean I was consumed with watching the news
of the la fires, as I do withany natural disaster that
happens.
Um, and there are some crazyconspiracies out there.
I don't know any of that.
Oh my gosh, I hate them all.
(21:31):
Just for the record, I do lovea conspiracy theory, but these
are tough.
Mel Gibson went on the JoeRogan podcast and you know how
twitchy he is already, like youkind of which one I always feel
like he's on little something,something.
Joe or Mel huh, joe or MelGibson, mel Gibson, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know, sorry if he's your Jesus, but um, uh.
So he goes on and basically islike, yeah, I mean I'd like to
know who started these, and likewas hinting that it was arson.
Also was like, why wasn't thereany water in the Palisades,
(22:14):
which you know?
I don't know if you heard aboutthat, but there were some
disputes of whether there wasenough water when the Palisades
fire was happening.
Enough water for what Water?
To put the fire out, Like inthe sorry, sorry in the hydrants
but like is, is that arequirement?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
like is there supposed to be?
And the and the fire hydrants?
Yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay,yeah, to put the fire out.
No, I understand the concept.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I feel like we're on two different planets, right?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
now, oh man, it's probably because there's a lot
of like conjunct and likesextile and like there's a lot
going on in astrology right now.
That is that is making shitreally weird, and so that's all
that.
I am totally.
I was just saying so basicallythere was a root, like in it was
somewhat true.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So basically there was a root like in it was
somewhat true, I guess, thatthere wasn't enough water in the
hydrants, but Mel Gibson'spoint was like that was on
purpose to when this happened,that all these houses would be
burned down.
It was insane.
So it's just been very odd tosee all of those things come out
(23:22):
and I look, I always assumethat we don't know the whole
truth, but um, I think it was aseries of unfortunate events
with the santa ana winds andfire.
I know there was some arsoninvolved, so I'm not saying it
wasn't that, but, man, that wasawful to see oh, I mean, it's
just terrible.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's terrible to see people suffer and it's terrible
to see people experience loss,like, and if that people is
Jennifer Garner or if thatpeople is homeless person over
here, there's no difference.
Like there's no difference.
It's like I mean there's a hugedifference, gosh.
(24:03):
But like, I guess what I'msaying is that, like, seeing
people experience loss, it feelsI feel helpless.
Like I feel I feel like, well,what do I?
What do I do?
Like, do I go to my next bodywork appointment with an LAFD
Sure?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Sweatshirt on, because that's the only place I
can be myself.
You know, I'll tell yousomething that you can do.
Okay, um nb goods, who is basedhere in nashville, woman owned
um, she made an altadena hat notthat you wear a lot of hats,
(24:42):
but it it's really cool.
It looks like the LA Dodgers,la, and she flipped it and it
says Altadena, which is one ofthe big fires that happened, and
that is like the working classarea.
In her words, I think, she saidwhere the black and brown
people live, and so she.
I know that she made a hat thatyou can purchase in.
100 percent of those donationsdo go to the community.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Okay, out did you in a hat.
I just texted that to myself,and it's the company is NB goods
in B as in boy.
Excellent Thanks.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's not an LPD, LAPD , FD.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, it's not a lpd, lapd, fd.
You know what I'm saying?
No, it's not.
And and and I guess that's whatI'm saying is like I'm
attracted to the idea by themarketing yay, marketing people,
you did a really good thing.
But like, if you can't, if youcan't convince me that it's
gonna do some good, like I'm notgonna buy into that shit, you
know, and so some good, like I'mnot going to buy into that shit
, you know.
And so this thing, like I'lltotally, totally rock that.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Speaking of chat GPT, I also read somewhere that or
somebody posted this that it'slike 100 million times worse for
the globe than just Googlingsomething, so we do have to be
aware of that.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wait, wait what.
It's 100 times worse for theglobe.
Now I'm just floating out of myass.
Did you hear what you just said?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, Chat GPT versus Googling.
Okay, let's see For the earth.
That's what I'm looking for forthe earth, okay.
Uh, google search issignificantly better for the
(26:35):
earth and the environmentalimpact as it uses considerably
less energy per query meaning asmall carbon footprint compared
to chat GPT, which requires amuch higher energy consumption
to generate responses.
Essentially, each chat GPTquery can be considered more
environmentally taxing than aGoogle search.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I mean yeah, I mean good, no, no no, I mean, is this
the podcast?
It is what do you?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
oh god, um well, I was gonna talk about fear.
Do you want to talk about that?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
wait, talk about what you just said.
What about chat, gbt and theenergy it takes?
Oh, you want to talk about that?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh, I thought you asked what's next on my list.
What do you mean?
I know.
Why Are you yelling at me forusing it?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm not at all.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
What are you saying?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I felt like you wanted to have a conversation
about how Google searching andchat GBT searching expends
different energy levels.
No, I just wanted to share it.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I didn't want to have any more conversation.
Okay, you know why it's like Irecycle, but I'm pretty sure it
still ends up in the landfillLike I don't.
Right, right, I'm not ready togive up chat GPT?
That's why I don't want to talkabout it.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
It's a very selfish reason.
Yeah, you're not.
Yeah, you are my people and I'mso glad, so what is the next
thing?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh, I want to talk about fear.
Sorry for my interruption.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's what we have an editor for.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, we don't.
Today we don't, okay, fear.
So a friend of ours sent methis post the hardest prison we
live in is the one oh, sorry,the hardest prison to live in is
the one I built to feel safethe hardest prison we to.
Oh God, oh my God, I didn'teven read it, right, that's so I
(28:54):
know where to edit.
Oh wait, I'm not editing.
Okay, the hardest prison toleave is the one I built to feel
safe.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh gosh, yeah, I mean okay why what prison did you
build'm tell me I, I, I don'tknow here's how I'm gonna answer
that.
I was sitting at the tablethat's in my like kind of like
breakfast nook in my house, likeI don't really I've got a
(29:26):
dining room but I hardly evereat in the dining room like I
normally eat in this little kindof nook, and I was sitting
there you just like to say nook,nook.
I like to say nook, and I wassitting there today and I I
invited the person I was therewith to play cards, uh-huh.
And so I said, would you?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
like to play cards?
You said person.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Would you like to play cards?
Person, would you like to playcards?
And AI said back to me yes, Iwould like to play your favorite
family game of cards.
Called Me.
That consists of seven hands ofcontract Rummy.
That is really a derivative ofMichigan Rummy.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that's what happened.
Is this where we tell peoplethat you live with an ai robot?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
yes, yes, now you guys know, I know it's weird.
It's not weird, though is itokay no, it's, it's fine, it's.
I also have a driverless carbecause I can't see well enough
to drive anymore.
So it's perfect, it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Um, I really kind of thought of that I was gonna ask
you about that yeah, because youhate driving at night.
Why would you not get adriverless car?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Like I want a driverless car, so bad.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Do it Trade in that Audi for a little Tessie?
Oh, I do love my Audi.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's a beautiful car, I love my car.
Anyway, oh my gosh Getting offtrack here.
Can you help me Anyway?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
oh my gosh getting off track here.
Can you help me?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you were at the nook andwe were talking about fear and
the prison.
Yes, the prison we build tofeel safe.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
We build to feel safe .
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
You're such a good friend I know I'm amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, so, um, basically, like I scraped all of
like the crumbs on the table tothe edge of the table, but I
restrained myself from justwiping them off the table onto
the floor that's amazing.
And so I said I just noticedsomething about myself.
(31:23):
And they, they said, well, whatis that?
And I said in my childhood Iwould have just scraped that off
the table because I knew my momwas going to pick it up.
I just knew like I don't haveto even these crumbs, I get to
just like wipe them off thetable Cause mom's going to pick
them up and like how asshole isthat?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I, I did that stuff too.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, that, but that that was my experience.
There's no.
I mean, I know there's tons ofjudgment from everybody
listening, and for me there's nojudgment.
That's just.
That's just how I grew up.
And so they said to me and sowhat made you restrain from
(32:09):
pushing them off to the floor?
And I was like, well, becauselike I've grown older, like I
know that there's not somebodyto just like hang around and
wait on me.
And that felt like, oh, likeI've progressed, like as a
person, like, yay, like I'm, I'memotionally maturing, and also
(32:33):
like recognizing that, like thatis changing in my life.
Yeah, I am, I am becoming anadult.
Yes, yes, it's like, it's likeI'm becoming an adult.
I'm becoming the person thathas to deal with the spilled
crumbs on the floor.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, and like that's scary, as, oh yeah, the buck
stops here.
I say that all the time, goddang it.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's scary.
So to your point of fear.
That's where.
That's where I went.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I like that, um, so what would your prison be?
I want to know.
Oh, maybe that you're notresponsible until you are.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, my prison would be that I am responsible.
Right, exactly, yeah yeah, andsay the quote again, if you will
.
Let's see if I can get it right.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
The hardest prison to leave is the one I built to
feel safe yeah, so it's like I'm.
I'm here in that place where mymom always picks up my crumbs
yeah I've built that place tofeel safe I think you've picked
up your crumbs for a while, forwhat it's worth.
I I just don't think we noticeit as much as other people do.
(33:44):
But I will say this I feel likethe one thing that all of us
need to hear is like I don'tthink we ever grow up, like I
remember being a kid and likelooking at people our age and
being like, oh wow, they mustknow how to do things at that
age and there there's no waylike, yes, you learn how to
(34:06):
navigate, but I don't think anyof us really are like maybe like
by your sixties, you know likeI see Oprah now and she feels
like she's got her shit together, but she's also rich, yeah,
yeah, it's like.
But I think we always strugglewith the same things until we
don't anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah yeah.
That's hard shit.
And like I was kind of thinkingtoday about how, like, if I
believe at all in this likereincarnation thing, or like I
am one of many iterations ofwhat the spirit of me is you
know, know, like maybe I was theyellow emperor and maybe I am
(34:48):
an alien in the future, because,like it's all, the same, like I
was thinking about all thattoday and then I just lost my
train of thought.
So that's a great podcast thankyou.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Thank you for for joining us today.
Yes, thank you this is the catand moose podcast and uh, okay,
so here's what I wanted to sayabout fear.
Um, I had someone very importantto me say that they didn't want
me to live in fear anymore andit like you know how you just
(35:25):
have like a little earthquakeinside of yourself sometime and
you're like the perfect thing issaid at the perfect time and I
felt very much like that waswhat had happened, and I have
been working with chat gpt, myother therapist, on how to
(35:45):
identify fear and what to dowith it and all of those things
and, um, what, what I'm learningis obviously the two different
sides of the brain and how youknow, the left side basically is
the one that's always freakingout on us.
But I'm learning sort of thekindness of my new practice is,
(36:08):
if something comes up and I feelthis immediate anxiety or fear,
their hand and I go, at 11, youare not capable to do this, and
(36:30):
so that's why that feelspanicked.
But remember, we're not 11anymore, we're 46 years old and
we have a few more tools, butsometimes that person that
raised their hand is 46 yearsold.
Oh, wow Like she is me, and partof the fear has to do with
(36:52):
perception.
Like, not just perception, butalso like livelihood.
I would say so to answer thisquestion.
I build for myself to feel safe.
I think I, the prison I builtis the idea that everything is
(37:15):
going to fall apart, Like thatcomes up in my therapy all the
time.
Like, like so I just I don'ttake and look, I can be a risky
person.
So like I definitely can't.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
You're an eight.
You're an eight, you're likefire ready.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But I do think that fear has kept me from putting
myself out there in the world ina way where I am sharing my own
vulnerability, like I know I doit on this podcast, but like I
would love to put the things Iwrite out into the world.
I would love to put the thingsI feel the things I love out
(37:52):
into the world and I have builtthis.
Like fucking bunker is what itis, like archie bunker.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I, I like, have built thislittle underground place that
nobody's allowed to visit andGod forbid that you do, because
I have, you know, landmines setup around it, right, right,
(38:17):
because I don't want, I don'twant to, I don't want to be too
much or too forward or too fillin the blank.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Too liberal, which I am.
I'm so liberal and I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, oh, I love it too.
It's one of the many millionsof things I love about you.
And I'm curious, like you weresaying the word bunker and I
kept thinking of the kicker ofthe.
I think it's the.
Is it the Kansas City ChiefsButker?
Oh, no, I don't know him.
We he's.
He used to be our kicker theTitans kicker I should know that
(38:57):
when we sucked, even a littlebit less than we do now, yeah,
he was.
He was our kicker and he wasthe guy who basically said
something along the lines oflike women oh yeah, I remember
that, because I remember thatyeah and like, as you kept
saying bunker, I kept justthinking butker kicker no, but
like an underground situation.
(39:18):
Yeah, yeah yeah, that's wherethat's kind of your safe place.
Yeah, like that's where youdon't want to.
You don't want to come out Idon't because there's people
like butker doing shit like whathe's doing, like why's where?
You don't want to, you don'twant to come out.
I don't because there's peoplelike butker doing shit like what
exactly like why?
Why do you want to exposeyourself to that kind of?
I mean?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I legitimately have friends who have a plan of what
to do if shit goes bad withTrump, Like this is the opposite
of what I feel like we had whenBiden took office.
You have people that are likeprepping to keep food, Cause
they thought Biden was going toI don't know what he's going to
(39:58):
do Give them too much money orsomething, but it's like I
literally have friends that arescared scared for what is you,
you like, like, can we reallysit with this for a minute?
Yeah, I don't want to share toomany details, but I had a
conversation this week with somefriends who actually live in a
(40:18):
blue state, who are legitimatelyafraid of what could happen.
And I'm not saying my bunker isabout that.
My bunker is really about nottrusting.
I mean it has something to dowith the pandemic and politics.
I will say that.
But like totally, I'm notnecessarily going to that,
saying I really have a bunker.
(40:39):
I want to say that I don't havea bunker, but I have friends who
are scared and so I can relateto that to some degree.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
But like they have plans for and that's, I guess,
that's what I want to talk aboutis like what kind of plans?
Because I am, I am um.
What is it called um whenyou're ignorant and oblivious?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I?
I I don't know what they're.
What they're I?
I know that they have a a safeplace to go to and like, but
what is?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I don't know, I don't know.
How do you know what that means?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
place that they trust .
I don't know what their fear is, even specifically, but I do
know that there is fear andthat's frightening to me.
Anyway, all that to say, I wantto operate this year, in 2025,
with less fear, and I don't knowhow the frick I'm gonna do it,
but I'm gonna really, reallyattempt to do this okay, can I?
Speaker 1 (41:40):
can I ask a question?
So you said you want to operatein 2025 with less fear is there
a way that you can reframe thatthat says I want to operate in
2025 with more?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
um, okay, that's great.
I love that.
Um, I just learned that'scalled a replacement.
Thought oh, okay.
Um, I want to live in 2025 withmore.
Is bravery the right word?
(42:15):
What's something like bravery?
Speaker 1 (42:20):
With more.
Okay, ask just for one second,Like see if anywhere in your
body has the word I want tooperate in 2025 with more.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It's a Jewish word, it's like, or something like
that.
What?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
is that word?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Is that a Jewish word Like this is terrible, like
everyone.
I am so sorry.
I am so sorry.
What word is a Jewish phrasethat means balls?
(43:06):
Oh, what is it?
See it's chutzpah.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's what I thought it's spelled C-H-U-T-Z-P-A-H.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Oh wait, and then underneath here it says what is
booby and Jewish slang Booby,it's a term.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, no, yeah, that.
See, that's where AI like Ithink they're just like going
like what does this look like?
And we did this.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's like that's not.
How do you say that?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
I that's not.
How do you?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
say that.
I've never known how to saythat, I've always said it.
Yeah, it's like a kh sound, soI that's the word that came up
like the audacity I want to haveall that's the word audacity
yes yes, that feels right to me.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yes, good, good, and so I think that that I feel like
that is potentially a betterreframe of your desire.
I like more chutzpah, yeah morechutzpah, chutzpah.
(44:13):
Yeah, more chutzpah.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Look, I need someone who's Jewish to call into the
podcast and just send me a voicememo of how to say this
correctly.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You don't even have to be Jewish.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
You just have to have more of chutzpah than I do.
It's not Jewish by the way it'sYiddish.
Yiddish is the right way to saythat.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah and I want to just offer all respect to all
traditions.
So the things that we get wrongon the podcast, the things that
we do really well on thepodcast, we hope, kind of
outweigh the things we get wrong, and and so we absolutely love
and welcome all of you.
Like all of you who are here,like you are welcomed, like we,
(44:56):
anything that might feel alittle bit triggering or
whatever, it is just ignorance.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's just ignorance, it's not wow, that was a 30
second disclaimer, but I doagree with you.
It is our hearts and I did justlisten.
Listen to this can you hear it?
Cat hold on, hold on, hold on.
Girl hold on, um, okay, is thisit?
Could you hear it?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
no, well, my goodness , I feel like I want a tattoo
that says that I might need thattoo.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We should get it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Can you show it to me one more time so I can write?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
it down.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
C-H-U-T-Z-pah.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Okay, chutzpah, listen Anyway.
Oh no, it's hutzpa h-u-t-s.
Okay, we spent a lot of time onthat.
Here's what I want to tell you.
Is the uh, the wikipedia abouthutzpa?
Um, it is the quality ofaudacity.
Oh, that's beautiful, for goodor for bad.
(46:12):
A close english equivalent issometimes the hubris, the word
hubris, the word derives fromthe Hebrew something, chespa,
meaning insolence, cheek oraudacity.
Thus the original Yiddish wordhas a strong negative
connotation, but the form whichentered English as a Yiddish ism
(46:35):
and American English has takenon a broader meaning, having
been popularized through thevernacular used in film,
literature and television.
And American English.
The word is sometimesinterpreted, particularly in
business parlance parlance, Idon't know as meaning the amount
of courage, metal or ardor thatan individual has.
(46:56):
Well, there you have it.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, I didn't understand that last sentence,
me either.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I would edit it, but Lord knows, we don't have a
producer today.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
We don't.
I love you, moose, and I reallyam excited about your
forthcoming chutzpah.
I am too Thanks for helping meHootspa.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I am too Thanks for helping me reframe that.
I have one more thing I need totell you.
I did what's called LensNeurofeedback last week.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh what.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
How, why, who Tell me everything?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So my therapist recommended it, and you know
where my therapist is right,it's in that same sort of area.
Okay, Anyway, LensNeurofeedback it's supposed to
help with anxiety, ADHD, PTSD,depression, all kinds of things
(47:51):
like that.
So I didn't really know what toexpect.
But I went in there and had toexpect, Um, but I went in there
and had to do all this paperworkfirst, and then she like really
went through the paperwork andand, uh, anyway, I laugh and
I'll tell you later why but um,it was basically five seconds of
these little pads on the backof my neck.
She didn't even put them on myhead Cause she thought I was too
(48:14):
sensitive to have them on myhead.
Um, which I totally agree with.
I mean, I'm so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, of course, cause you're special.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Anyway, this is how I described it to her.
So it was five seconds of thiselectronic wave thing and a
little chart comes up.
I don't see any of that.
And then she waits two to threeminutes after she puts it
through, and only did it oncefor the first time.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
And you're feeling nothing for that.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I didn't feel anything for the five seconds
that she actually put thatthrough.
The two or three minutes isnothing.
You're just there to take it in.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Okay, and it felt like I had smoked a joint.
Really.
No, I don't mean like euphoricor anything like like, I don't
mean like I was like out of mymind or anything like that, but
it was like my body felt like itwas buzzing in a positive way.
Huh, cool, yeah.
And so, you know, some peopledon't feel anything.
(49:14):
She said for five to 10sessions, but she was like you
know, some people don't feelanything.
She said for five to 10sessions, uh, but she was like
you know, some do, or whatever.
So I told her that and shestarted laughing.
She's like you're not the firstperson to compare it to that.
And um, I was like can I drive?
You know I'm just kidding, butum, I'm going back, but were you
, I mean.
I would have been worried again.
I'm going back, but were you, Imean, I would have been worried
(49:43):
again, and I'm really excitedbecause I I have hope that it
could.
The point of it, I suppose, isto sort of rewire your brain in
some ways and to help you getout of those ditches that we get
into of like rumination andthings like that.
So I'm pumped.
I know we like to share newmodalities that we're doing, so
yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, it's very cool.
So I feel like one of thethings that I heard about
ketamine when it kind of came onthe scene a few years ago was
that it was a huge helper ofbreaking addictions, because you
kind of got into this like forlack of a more educated way to
say it kind of like a psilocybintype state, like you kind of
(50:22):
got in this state of just likespirit is awesome and God is
amazing and blah, blah, blah,and for some reason that helps
you kind of move out ofaddiction.
Is that your understanding?
yeah, I've heard that for sure,yeah yeah, yeah, and so is this
similar like, is it?
Or because it feels a littlebit like emdr, like kind of
(50:43):
resetting?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
yeah, I mean I do think it is similar in the way
that it is is trying toreprogram something in your
brain.
I know that there are likecrazy studies out there, peer
reviewed stuff, saying that thisneurofeedback works, especially
for PTSD people.
(51:05):
In fact she said that the VAmedical hospital actually covers
it insurance wise for veteransbecause it has worked so well.
So I would say it's in the samevein of, you know, trying to
find more natural ways ofhealing.
Um yeah, and if I could doketamine every week, I would.
(51:25):
I just it's like expensive asas it's really expensive so.
I'd probably do that two orthree times a year, but it does
feel like it brings me back to alevel playing field.
Ketamine does.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Cool, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I don't know how expensive this might get, but
I'm hoping that I could at leastget to a place where I feel a
little bit above all of thestuff.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm hoping the same thing for
you, I'm hoping the same thingfor you and, and like I've been
doing this regenerative medicinefor my foot and I feel
similarly, I'm like you know,like I want it to work, I'm
paying a lot of money for it.
I'm I'm willing to pay for itif it actually does a thing, and
I also don't want to be like,have the wool pulled over my
(52:17):
eyes.
So it's like, it's like youknow, if it helps, great.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
If it doesn't, like, please just leave me alone you
know, Well, that was a great wayto end the podcast, Do you?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
do you?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
have any?
Um, do you have a price?
Is right?
Uh Right, spay and neuter forthe audience today, kat.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
I think today mine would be.
This is the Year of the Snake.
Shed your own skin.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh, I like that, that really fits with the fear.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Can I say it one more time?
Speaker 2 (52:50):
If the skin is the fear too, yeah, can I say it one
more time?
Speaker 1 (52:52):
This is the Year of the Snake.
Shed your old skin.
The fear too.
Yeah, can I say it one moretime?
This is the year of the snake.
Shed your old skin.
That's good.
How about you, moose?
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I like that.
You did that like we were goingto edit it, so you got to hear
that twice, guys.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
I hope it really resonated.
I'm so pampered.
I'm so pampered by producerSarah.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Mine is going to be.
Don't forget to pack yourchutzpah.
Yeah, does that mean I have toget like something that hangs
off the back of my truck?
Speaker 1 (53:29):
no, no, no no, you I mean you can.
If that brings you into yourfullest self, like, like, if
that's something that's a partof your process, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Do you, women, do you like the idea of having?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
a set of breasts hanging off the back of your
truck.
No, no, no.
You thought I was goingsomewhere else, didn't you I?
I did, I'd be any.
Any of these places you'regoing are uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
No, the answer is no.
All right, guys, we love you.
Have a great week.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Special thanks to our producer Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
To find out more, go to cat and news podcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
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