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November 25, 2024 42 mins

What happens when you step off the beaten path? Producer Sara shares her tales of exploring the immaculate landscapes of New Zealand and Australia, and experiencing the local culture. Her adventures bring stories of flat whites, bustling coffee scenes, and the joy of solo exploration, all while battling the familiar foe of jet lag. Sara's journey reminds us of the simple pleasures in unexpected places and the thrill of wandering through unknown streets.

Shifting gears, we dive into personal transformations and life's unpredictable twists. From experimenting with new health treatments to humorous reflections on self-talk, our conversation takes us through the significance of self-care, gratitude, and personal growth. A curious tale of a kayaker in Wisconsin who faked his death adds a touch of intrigue and sparks reflections on escape and reinvention. This episode invites you to ponder the importance of self-kindness and the humor woven into life's unpredictable tapestry.

As we imagine a cosmic dinner party with fascinating guests like the founder of Jin Shin Do, Brandi Carlile, and Mary Oliver, we explore hypothetical scenarios that lead us from mere survival to a fully-lived life. Through laughter and personal anecdotes, we reflect on the joy of new beginnings and the art of savoring each moment, whether sharing pasta from a cheese wheel or finding solace in a familiar song. 

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah,hi, sarah's back.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome back.
I am going to assume that Iknow the minds of our listeners,
and they have really missed you.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh, that's sweet.
I've actually really missedbeing here and being like a
voice here.
I think I was on the last one,but nope.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Definitely not.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Nope.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Nope, I was in.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Australia?
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
But, you edited it.
I did Edited it.
Yeah, edited it, I was in.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Australia?
I don't think so, but youedited it.
I did Edited it.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
You edited it very fast.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
We did one and then we didn't release it.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
That was the one before.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
And I was on that and then no one got to hear me
Patrons did.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh, patrons did.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's just interesting .

Speaker 1 (00:59):
The weeks that you're not here, because I'm such an
analytical, technical person Iwatch like a Hawk our
listenership.
It's not true, but if I were, Icould almost guarantee you that
the weeks that you were not on,all of our listeners left like
they were just leave.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
They did miss you.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Well, I appreciate that I missed.
I've missed all of you.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
What are your top three things from your trip
overseas?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Um, I got to go to New Zealand and Australia for
two and a half weeks, um, aspart of a tour and it was so fun
.
Uh, I was so very impressed byboth countries.
Um, I thought they wereincredibly clean, or or at least
the parts of the towns I was in.
You know, of course, we were inmetro, which can get very dirty

(01:50):
, and a lot of the places therewere a couple in particular that
reminded me of San Franciscoand then another that reminded
me of New York and the trash andlike just dirty concrete, like
it didn't exist there.
You know, those like cleanersthat'll go like pass you by on
Kroger, like just like moppingthe floor and they kind of have

(02:11):
like a squeegee in the back end.
Yeah, they're cleaning theirsidewalks with those.
Wow, like it is so clean thereand I was just like I felt like
the country was literally in thefuture, but also like they felt
just so advanced and we had acouple other local personnel
that toured with us throughoutand so it was fun to get to know

(02:31):
them, just like on a personallevel, and I was able to say you
know, these are some thingsI've noticed and they're like,
well, we've had, like we're sucha new country, we've had time
to, we've been able to observehow it's been done and and you
know, uh, how to doinfrastructure, how to do you
know whatever and um, anyway, itjust from like a visual side,
you could really like see that.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It was just very evident I find it so fascinating
and so encouraging.
Inspiring when I see humansobserving things and then making
things better.
Yeah, like that.
Just that to me is soinspirational and it's like it's
how we got from Stonehenge toskyscrapers.
You know, it's like we've justkind of evolved as a society and

(03:14):
technology and all of that, andit's like getting to experience
it real time like that I betthat was really cool.
It was cool.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And you know it's all like like I mean, I wasn't
going to a third world country,obviously, like they're very
well advanced and everything,and so it was like the stuff
that we're used to here um justfelt like a notch better, you
know, a notch up, I don't knowanyway.
Um, so that I was actually didnot see any animals.
I saw lots of birds.

(03:41):
They were really cool birds,really amazing and funny birds,
but I opted out on the zoo trip.
Everybody got to go to SeaVerbon Zoo, oh cool, and it was
just a day that was like in the90s and super humid and I was
like it's going to be fun.
But I also am like just going totake care of myself and like

(04:04):
have a day off.
And that was actually the daythat I was supposed to be
editing that one episode and weended up scrapping it and I got
like the whole day off.
It was so fun.
So I ended up just wanderingaround and like that was just
like fun.
It was fun.
I like traveling solo and it'sfun to just go explore and like
do things on my own and justlike have four or five, six

(04:27):
hours to just wander and I lovedit.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I really had so much fun.
Is there anything memorableabout anything that you ate or
drank Everything.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Their beer scene is phenomenal.
They have got it going on asfar as draft beers and coffees
and nuts.
There.
They don't even really haveStarbucks.
There's like four or five youknow in the whole country Like
and so, um, I had flat whitesjust all day long and um, yeah,

(04:59):
everything's just kind of likeespresso drinks.
They don't like I.
It was funny.
I was trying to order, um, likewhat we would get here, like
one of those you know, kind ofgallon of of drip coffee from
Starbucks, if you're trying to.
You know, serve 10, 15 peopleand I was trying to explain that
to somebody and they were likea gallon, like they were just so
shocked that we would do thatOf course they don't do drip

(05:24):
coffee Like it's.
If you want that, you're gettingan Americano, or you know.
Anyway, well, welcome back.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Thank you, thank you, guys, it's really really nice
Welcome.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Still got like a whole bunch of jet lag.
I feel like I don't even knowwhat time it is right now, but I
feel like between like two andfive o'clock.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
You're like I'm gonna die if I don't lay down.
Look at what we did there.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, let's talk about postino postino.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yes, let's talk about postino.
We are going to an early dinnertonight.
We are.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
We are now senior citizens, uh this is not news to
our listeners.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, it is not we are senior citizens and uh, I found
this new restaurant in 12 Southarea of Nashville called Postino
12 South and, by the way, theyhave locations in lots of cities
, so check it out but they havelike charcuterie boards and wine

(06:23):
and all these little smallbites and tapas and we we were
fighting about is it fancy,right?
Which is always sort of aquestion that we ask when we are
going out.
Well, I ask because I neverwant to be underdressed, right,
right?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's always been a thing.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's.
I mean, you have known me for 8million years and, like I melt
down sometimes when I can't findthe right thing to wear.
Yeah, so we look at thepictures and I say to you, what
are you wearing?
And you said this, and I saidokay, and you go, what it's not
fancy?
And I said I have seen videoson their Instagram and it feels

(07:06):
a little bit there's dark, it'sdarkly lit, wait, dimly lit.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's dimly lit.
It's dimly lit, so am I.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, it's dim and candle lit is actually what it
is, and to me that meant oh no,what am I going to wear?
I can't just wear like at-shirt, and you said something
that I thought was fantastic.
Would you share what that was?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, I said that I.
I am not going to changeanything I'm wearing except for
my shirt, and I'm going tochange from a t-shirt to a
V-neck.
Yeah, yeah, you are.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
And I, I love this, that at this point in our lives,
and I love this At this pointin our lives, from crew neck to
V-neck.
That's the jump.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, it's really going from day to night, like
we're not changing lipstickcolor, we're not switching
perfumes that are smokier.
No, we're going from crew neckto v-neck because in my most
comfortable being like, when Ifeel the most comfortable
wearing clothes on this planet,I'm wearing the outfit that I
have on right now.
I'm wearing tennis shoes thatare very sturdy, I'm wearing
some little socks that are verycomfy and, um, my little James
Purse pants in a t-shirt, likethat's just how I like to dress
and the cat fit.
That's the cat fit.

(08:32):
Yeah, and and it's neither herenor there, I'm not trying to
make a statement, I'm justtrying to enjoy.
What does it feel like in mybody to be dressed the way?
That is the most comfortableyeah.
And so, in order to give alittle bit of effort to Postino
and its other constituents, I Iam willing to sacrifice and
change my crew neck to a V-neck,and that's as far as I'm going

(08:54):
to go.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I like it Again.
This is about being ourselves.
Yes, and that's the thing,right Is I want I'm also.
I don't want to sit there withsuper tight jeans around my
belly where I can't have anotherpiece of bread and some more
olives I want to make room.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, and, and, and I feel like my the point that I
made was pretty spot on, I think, and going like the nicest
thing on their menu is asandwich sandwich.
But I mean, like really theyhave in that I think they call
it crostini's like a toastedpiece of bread.

(09:36):
Yeah, so it's basically asandwich shop.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I don't.
I think it, yeah.
So I think it's supposed to besnacky and whiny, and but I
think, as the, as the as the sunsets.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Which happens at 445 now.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, like is there an expectation?
Is it really the question?
Like, do I need a smoky eye togo into Postino?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I think the answer is no Okay, and I think that for
you, the answer might be yes.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Ooh, that might feel better for you, the answer might
be yes, that might feel betterfor you and your body.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Like I would be curious, like when you think
about how do I have the leastamount of anxiety going into
Postini, is that because youfeel really good about how?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
you're dressed.
I love that it's now calledCrustini.
She said Postini.
Oh man, this is getting goody'all, Isn't it it?
It is postini.
I thought it was post up stanowell, I who knows.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
We'll have to ask the people who work there how do?
You?
How do you say the name I'vegot it right of your shitty
restaurant?
It's post Postino.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh, you said Postini, which is great Cause it's like
martini Maybe that's what's onmy mind, or crostini, crostini.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Moving along.
Okay, how are your hundred daysof being your most authentic
self going?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, thanks for asking.
I don't know exactly what dayit is, but it's going very well.
I have.
I'm just questioning everythingin a positive way.
I'm going oh, look at that, Iwas supposed to go have drinks
with a friend and kind of catchup and I knew by like 10, I

(11:40):
wasn't going to be able to pullit together and I had showered,
I.
I looked, okay, it was nothingto do with that, it was just I.
I just couldn't do it, and so Iwas just honest with that
person and said for mentalhealth reasons, I may need to
reschedule.
And that person was very kind,and so I'm just trying to put

(12:01):
action to what it is that I need.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, Good for you.
That's awesome.
How are you?
I'm doing okay.
I um was really.
I was really impacted bysomething that you did for me
this week.
Let's tell everyone, let's tellthe world.
Is that okay with you?
Yeah, I was talking about somechanges that I am implementing

(12:27):
in my life.
I'm about to undergo a newtreatment.
It's called PRP, it's calledplasma rich protein, protein
rich plasma I think is actuallywhat it is, and it is something
that is going to potentiallyhelp my foot heal, and I've been
looking for anything that isnot surgery to help my foot heal
, and so they basically takeyour body's plasma and they

(12:51):
inject it in different areas ofthe foot and that helps the foot
heal.
It's kind of like giving thefoot like a super green drink or
something like that, and so, inorder for that to work, there
are a handful of things that Ineed to do to promote healing
best, and that is not drinkingalcohol, that is not using all

(13:16):
of my favorite CBD oils that Iuse, and that is, um, you know,
just changing some of my day today habits, like my eating
habits.
It's very, very helpful, um, ingeneral, but also with this
treatment, to eat plant-basedand I'd like to get a fried
chicken sandwich from McDonald's.
You know sandwich sandwich, andso you like McDonald's if

(13:37):
you're going to choose friedchicken, yeah.
Well, I mean, if I'm going tochoose fried chicken, I'd choose
Popeye's, but the fried chickensandwich from McDonald's is my
favorite.
And so all of that to say is, Iwas kind of processing some of
that with you and I was beingreally hard on myself and you
were like, um, I would like youto listen to this.
You said I have a song for you,and so I clicked and listened

(14:01):
and I thought it would be some,like you know, alicia Keys or
something like really, but Imean something like really kind
of sophisticated and and and itwas a ccm song, yeah, yeah, yeah
.
And and, which is awesome.
I love the genre that we workin.
Yeah, and in my real life, Idon't really have anybody

(14:24):
sending me christian music songsto encourage me like, that's
just not, it is rare for me todo?
Yeah, and so I listened to thesong and I was like I wrote you
back and I said, oh my God, didyou actually send me a Christian
music song to encourage me?
Yeah, and you said yes.
Well, because the message of thesong is so good.

(14:45):
It's so good and the message isto be kind to yourself, to
yourself, and it's basicallysaying like, if god can be kind
to you, I think you can be kindto you, right, and what a
fantastic concept it's like.
If the creator of the universecan treat me with kindness, who

(15:06):
am I to treat myself unkindly,you know, and it really it made
a really big impact on me, somuch so that, like my paper,
what if you were?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
like pull up your shirt.
I got a tattoo.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I got a tattoo on my navel that says please be kind
to me.
But I said be kind to yourselfLike it's even it's like on my
podcast notes this week.
So I just really wanted tothank you, not only for our
coaching session, also for, um,your encouragement for me to be
kind to myself, so much so thatI was in class the other night

(15:42):
and we were leaving the buildingand I had locked a door that
didn't need to be locked yet,and so I said to my friend I was
like, oh my gosh, this smart,wonderful, beautiful, fantastic
woman has forgotten your keys tounlock the door.
And he said to me he said Ireally appreciate how you spoke
about yourself.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Cause.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I chose to speak about myself in a way that was
not derogatory, so that's great,yeah, so, speaking of pulling
back on the alcohol and all thethings, when does this protocol
begin?
Tomorrow, okay, yeah, tomorrow.
So we're going to get crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
We're going to get nuts and postino in our V-necks.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
I'm suddenly worried.
There's not going to be enoughfood to eat at this place.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh, no, no, no, just like sandwich boards Pretty much
.
Wait a minute.
I said I haven't looked at themenu.
I saw the place, it looked goodand you wrote back.
Kat, you said the menu looksamazing and it does.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
And.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I had you wine drinkers in mind at this place.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, one of the things, wineos.
Yeah, one of the things thatthey said is they said we
celebrate wine for the sacredmoments and the casual moments
of life.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Which basically means , if you're an alcoholic, come
here.
No, no, you don't actually,that's not how I took it.
But okay, you don't actuallyneed any reason to drink.
Come here, we'll celebrate itall with you.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, that's fair, fair enough, I mean, that's also
the airport's rules.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean, AI wrote that really well.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Postino, postino, postino.
You and your AI assistant didgreat.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Okay, did you guys hear about this kayaker in
Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, the guy that faked his own.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, I saw that yeah .

Speaker 2 (17:38):
What in the world?
I've watched a bunch of newsclips about this and I want to
like yell at every reporterbecause they're like oh, so you
know, know, he went, and nowhe's in eastern europe
potentially, and faked his owndeath.
But there's two questions Ihave.
Number one why?

(17:59):
Like nobody is talking aboutwhy, right, and every article I
can find simply says, um, he hadpersonal reasons.
And I'm like so do I?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
right, I've got lots of personal reasons a lot of
personal reasons to completelyfake my own dad.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Me too, right wait yes okay, go and then, secondly,
my question is they talkedabout how he went, rode his
e-bike, flipped the canoe, gotrid of the phone, rode his
e-bike to madison and then madehis way to canada.
But how did he get from canadato eastern europe?

(18:36):
Like?
Is he on?
Like a barge ship?
Like nobody's filling in thatgap for me either, because he
probably wouldn't be allowed tofly, would he?
And I don't?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
know that anybody would know Like let's just,
let's just say, let's, let'sfake my death right now.
So let's say that I start nowfaking my death.
So I get on my e-bike and I goto Percy Priest and I get in a
kayak and I take my phone in thekayak and I paddle, paddle,
paddle, paddle, paddle and Iflip it over and I swim out and

(19:09):
I make it look like I drowned.
And then I get on the e-bikeand I drive to canada I mean,
I've still got my driver'slicense, my passport, my, my,
everything, like I bet he, I betnobody knew anything was wrong
when he well, that's true.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
When he got to canada , they said now they can look
back and see that they did, butmaybe he already had the flight
booked.
Yeah, I think he did, but thenwhy can't they find him?
So, anyway, have you seen thathe's done videos where he's
saying this is my proof of life?
I am alive.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I haven't seen that part.
What's funny is the only thing.
I only way I knew about it.
I was in Australia when allthis went down and I I think a
video came across my Instagramfeed and it was like a video of
somebody interviewing him.
It was like I don't know if itwas like in LA or something, but
this was like.
I think it was like a yearprior to all of this happening

(20:04):
and he was asking this personwho was maybe like someone who
could tell the future, orsomething like this oh, it was
like it was like, think, like onone of the beach fronts and
people are like roller skatingby and like that kind of thing.
He's like on a bike and someonehe asks questions about, like

(20:25):
faking your own death or likegetting moving moving to another
country and like it was likethis whole thing and this was
all on video a year prior andI'm like what is this about?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
that's how I was introduced to the story so wait,
he was asking who about thesethings it was almost like he
stopped at this.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
um, it was like a let's call her a fortune teller
that was working on the beach atin la and he was riding his
bike by and stopped and askedcan you tell me the truth?
Like if I did this, does it?
It was like, and that was onvideo Huh, I have to pull it up.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, I'm probably just talking myself into a hole
right now.
It sounds very much like when Ithink of Venice beach.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think of like the the drum people and I think of
like yeah, that feels verypossible on Venice beach that
it's like hey, you look like acool know it all lady.
Let me ask you about youropinion about this thing.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
So yeah, I don't think you're you're talking to
yourself in a whole.
I wish I could remember itclearly, but he seemed to maybe
have maybe someone over inEurope or in Asia, wherever he
is, um help him that he wants tobe with, like I think he was
trying to like.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't understand why you can't just go to Eastern
Europe.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Why not just tell your person hey, I'm not in love
with you anymore?
This is going to be really hard.
I'm in love with someone else,I'm moving, it just seems why
don't we have that conversation?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
yeah, well, he did do a life insurance policy, so
geez.
But who?
Who, like we, should be able tofind the beneficiary right, so
we don't know any of that.
He, I do know there's like abank account that is over there
that they're trying to get wirefraud and, uh, you know,
insurance fraud and things likethat against him, but he's not
telling anyone where he is.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
And I'm curious, like I'm not talking ethically or
morally Legally, what did he dowrong?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
He didn't.
Okay, like they're saying, theydon't have a criminal reason.
Yeah, I found it Okay.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
This morning, video on social media featuring a man
who resembles a father of threewho allegedly faked his own
death is now under investigationby authorities in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Should I go to?

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Uzbekistan or stay here.
Say that one more time.
Content creator BaileyBoomhauer says she shot the
video in San Diego in June.
She recently alerted policethat the man looks similar to
Ryan Borgwart, the marriedfather reported missing while
kayaking in Wisconsin back inAugust.
Boomhauer remembered theinteraction as bizarre.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I've never even heard of that place before.
So it's just a very like oddparallel that the man that's
missing is also connected toUzbekistan.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Last week the sheriff of Green Lake County, wisconsin
, announced that Borgward wasnever actually missing.
He says evidence shows Borgwardhad planned his disappearance
in order to escape to Europe andmeet a woman from Uzbekistan.
Investigators say theyuncovered the alleged scheme

(23:31):
after learning that Canadian lawenforcement had checked
Borgwardt's name the day afterhis disappearance.
They say he had taken out a$375,000 life insurance policy,
moved money to a foreign bankand had replaced his computer's
hard drive.
Why do you want to go?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Meet a woman.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
So you've given up on meeting someone here.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
No, I'm married.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Authorities are not saying that Borgwardt is the man
in that social media video, butthey do say they're
investigating the video.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Do you keep hearing Hogwarts?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, I do Also.
He's got kids like yeah.
I don't care, I don't thinkthey're adults based on his age,
but if they are like, what areyou do?
Like, why not just get a visaand move to another country?
Just be honest people like itcould.
It could solve so much yeah andI think it's quite douchey or

(24:19):
assholey that you're sending avideo going see, I'm here,
because that feels a little bitlike see, I did it you're right,
I did it.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, have I have hosed you Right?
Well, here's the deal, george.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, what's his name ?
I don't know.
Let's call him Randy.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Bogwarts.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Here's the thing.
Bogwart, I hope you're happy, Idon't.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I just might okay.
Well, maybe I don't hope thathe's happy.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I just don't like to me this has taken up a lot of
space right now, yes, oh, youdon't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
No, I don't.
Well, I mean, yes, I want totalk about it, but I'm just
saying like it's been all overthe news like we're having a
conversation about it now andit's like dude, like all right,
I hope I guess what I'm saying,I don't.
I don't hope he's happy, I hope.
I hope that you're gettingsomething out of this.
I know, I agree that's what itfeels like, because it feels
like a yeah, yeah, like some guythat's like look what I did I.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I, you're right, I did figure this out.
Yeah, I'm going to get arrested, though, bro, I think Unless
Doesn't have whatever the wordsare, like diplomatic immunity or
something like that.
Yeah, those words.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, Well, it makes me think of the way that I'm
feeling about this.
It makes me think of my AuntMary Mac, and we love Aunt Mary
Mac.
Aunt Mary Mac is so awesome andI mean she is like the best,
Like she's great, and I believethat you know, Taoist philosophy
says that you are a quarteryour mom, a quarter your dad and

(25:55):
then 50% the Tao, like God, islike what you're comprised of.
I think that I am 25% my mom,25% my dad, about 15% Mary Mac,
and then the rest God.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, I could see that.
Okay, so like.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I feel like Mary Mac like is in my veins, she's just
part of my please do her voiceas you channel her.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I will, okay, I will.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Um, and it's going to be loud.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
So expect expect that .

Speaker 1 (26:22):
So years and years ago, my first dog that I owned,
like as an adult, like livingaway from home as an adult, was
my beagle Molly Pig.
Yes, and Molly Pig has a wholelanguage of her own, that that
she and I together developedwith the Dow and and.
And one of the things that Iwould say when I was away from

(26:46):
Molly Pig and it was just kindof a thing that I did that like
my family was kind of used to isI would say, I wonder what
Molly Pig's doing right now.
And so I was at Mary Max oneday without, obviously, molly
Pig, and I said, well, I wonderwhat Molly Pig's doing, right,
who cares?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
in that, loud voice yeah I mean, I channeled exact.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I mean I even let my neck get tight, like I see her
do and I might have a tear, youknow I mean, it's like just on
the edge of glory.
Yes, yes, who cares?
And?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
so did you laugh or were you offended that she might
not care?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
yes, all of it I was like you're the devil, yeah.
And then I was also like that'sfucking awesome yeah, because
she was living in her truth.
Who cares about your damn dog?
Right, you know, like who cares?
Why are we sitting here heretalking about Molly Pig and so
um so anyway.
So in in my um journaling time,lately that has just been

(27:55):
resurfacing itself, so like I'llbe thinking or talking about
something or writing aboutsomething and I'll just go who
cares?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Because it seems so like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
And in what I have found is that I think this is a
part of my healing, becausewhat's in my head is who cares?
Yeah, and there's this voicethat goes.
I do.
Oh, that's good, I do, yeah,and that feels like a real
victory to me because I havefelt like ever since I had that

(28:26):
moment, that that who cares iskind of that inner critic that
like shut up, you're so stupid,like that whole thing who cares?
And to the point that it'sfunny, you know, like now.
Now in my family we say it allthe time we go who cares?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
You know it's great.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
And I have just really appreciated like this
voice from within me that hassaid I do yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I do.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
It feels really important on my, on my healing
adventure that I'm on.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And probably when Mary Mac said that you wanted to
say I do, I do.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, but I mean, back then I was just like you
know like I don't know what todo with my hands.
Um, this, really this reallyawesome powerful, influential
woman just said to me who cares.
You know, it's like what did Ido?
But just I was stunned.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
That is so interesting.
Who cares?
Like, yeah, that would knock mein the gut.
Well, that's where you go.
Well, shit, you're right, I'lljust shut up over here.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right, right, you just close off part of yourself
it's the same concept of whensomeone has said to you like it
doesn't matter, or you say it toyourself and you're like, well,
it does, it does matter.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's very true it does matter,
because like that's sodismissive Right Like for
someone to just go, Sarah, itdoesn't matter, it doesn't
matter, it does like.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
actually, it does like clearly how I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It does matter, right .
Yeah, that's so good.
Yeah, I have some good news,you guys?
Okay, okay, there is a meteor,meteorite coming towards the
earth.
It's not always one.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's not chiron, though, is it?
Do you guys know about chiron,the asteroid?
I don oh do you?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
yes, oh this is one that's coming on valentine's day
in 2046 2046 so yeah, we gotlike a good 21 years.
Okay, is that the right math?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
yeah, 21 and a half 21, 22, yeah, yeah yeah, I think
that's about right.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Nasa says this asteroid as wide as a football
field may hit Earth, so justlike the dinosaurs, you know.
So in about 21 years, it mayfinally be time to look up.
This is a USA Today article.
A recently discovered asteroidover 150 feet in diameter has a

(30:49):
chance of hitting earth onvalentine's day in 2046.
Can I, can I interrupt you?
I'd love for you to.
I know it's your favorite thing.
What?
Space?
No, aliens, oh no, I would lovefor you to.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
So we know that this thing is 150 feet in diameter.
Yeah, we know that this thingis going to make an impact on
Valentine's Day, but we don'tknow for sure if it's going to
hit the earth.
Yeah, that's what I want toknow, it's like 21 years away
from now Like how do we know allthis shit?
And then go.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
well, I mean, but how do we know what day?
Yeah, I get you, I'd callbullshit on all that.
I think it's just another thingto make us crazy.
But let's keep reading.
While the thought of anasteroid hitting Earth may sound
concerning, NASA says weshouldn't be worried.
Here's what you need to knowabout the newly discovered

(31:46):
asteroid.
And then it goes on to fearmonger.
Yeah, I'm with you.
Why can't they shoot this thingdown or something?
Do you think the aliens?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
are going to help.
Just get like a slingshot orlike build a net, right A net.
What is?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
the Doesn't a net have holes?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
in it.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Just put a volleyball net up there it'll be enough
for it to like bounce off of atrampoline.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm pretty sure it's made of fire and that won't
bounce.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
It'll go through that's a good point.
I was just working out somethoughts yeah I didn't mean to
sound so your remedies arefantastic.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I I mean, you're right, a volleyball net is a
good idea.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
It could be made of space material, titanium, I
don't know yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, it makes me think of is the Star Wars
program still a thing that'shappening, Star Wars?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Not the movie.
Did someone tell you that?
No, no, no.
What friend told you there's aStar wars program?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
program, yeah, program.
So I I it it back.
Like in the reaganadministration or something like
that, wasn't a star warsprogram developed.
That basically was like if anuke is coming toward the united
states, we have like shit goingon in space that can eliminate
that.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I think that was the Star Wars program.
I didn't know about that.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, I might be making it all up, but I don't
think that.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I am.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
We have a producer, so she's going to tell us Well,
I'm just thinking you sayingcan't we just shoot it out of
the sky, Like, don't we alreadyhave the ability to do that?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I don't know as much money as You're right.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
What it's the Strategic Defense Initiative,
SDI, also known as the Star Warsprogram.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, Reagan, oh we got something right To protect
the United States from a nuclearattack.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Is it still?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
working.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
We basically just need to get one of those little
arms from a ping pong.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
What are those?
A pinball machine.
Pinball machine.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I mean, life sort of is like a pinball machine.
It kind of is yeah, whoa didn'tknow I was gonna get that one.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Where the hell am I going now?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
that lit me up big time, yeah okay, I asked you
guys over text recently.
I'm changing the question sothat it's fresh and new for our
listeners.
You get to choose one personwho you have never met that you
are going to have dinner withyou.
Tell me who the person is andwhy, and what meal you are

(34:36):
eating.
We went from two people to onebecause we talked about how it
could get weird, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
So in my second thing I picked Iona Teegarden.
She's the founder of Gingendo,yes, and my two guests would
have been the yellow emperor andhis physician, so cool.
And then I spent minutes, notseconds.
I spent minutes worrying whatif I orchestrated that Like,
what if I manifested thatbecause of your question?

(35:06):
Oh, and you should.
Would there be a translator?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Oh yeah, well, just like my animals speak to me
telepathically, I think youwould just understand, okay yeah
, okay, I got, I I got.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Actually had some anxiety about have I chosen
wrongly, because I'm sittinghere with the yellow emperor and
his physician and I can'tunderstand what they're trying
to say to me yeah, but isn'teverything energetic anyway?

Speaker 2 (35:33):
yes, yeah, I just didn't have that perspective
what would you ask the yellowemperor and his physician um?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I would say I'm curious what you think about
this modality that this womanhas come up with and that I am a
very, very, very, very, verybeginner student of.
What do you think of it like?
Where, where do you, can youpoke any holes in?
Can you give me anyencouragement so that as a
practitioner I can do better,like I really just want to help
people?
Like it's kind of the end result, you know.

(36:05):
So it's like I would just wantto glean from their wisdom, yeah
, and also go like how do youhave fun?
Like, what do you do for fun?
Yeah, because, like, if we'reso serious and learning and blah
, blah, blah all the time, it'slike that is fun.
Yay, but like what do you?
What is the yellow emperor doto have fun?
Like, does he walk around hisgarden and fart Like who knows?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, I hope he does too, because that is relaxing,
it is very relaxing to just yeah, each step, you just let one
out.
Yeah, when do you get toactually do that in life?
When you're alone in the garden, right in the garden, what are
you having for dinner?
Um, or it could be another mealasian cuisine oh fantastic, it
just made sense.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Thank you for asking such detailed questions well
you're welcome, sarah I.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I feel concerned that I didn't think mine through as
well as you did, it's okay, Ididn't either okay I just went
with.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
You did it's okay, I didn't either.
Okay, I just went with what Imean it probably was what came
first to you.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Mine was the two people, because I maybe
subconsciously thought, maybethat would be weird to bring two
randos and then me.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
So I picked which would be three randos.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I picked Brandy and Catherine Carlisle.
Oh, that's cool.
Cool just because they seem fun, yeah, and you just talk about
music till your brains fall outor life, you know, yeah, they
both had very interesting lives.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
okay, that and then I'm gonna get in your mind,
guess what you think she's gonnasay for her meal mine is that
we need to just do this, makethis happen anyway.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
But where they put the pasta, like in the like
cheese, it's like a whole.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh yeah, wheel of cheese, wheel of cheese.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
And they lay the hot pasta, they just drop the pasta
in and like, mix it all up inwhat the hell, and then they
dump it on your plate.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Oh my God, it all up in what, and then they dump it
on your plate oh, my god, I wantto do that?
Do they do this at postino?
I am gonna ask for it.
I do too.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
There might and I thought you were gonna say
spaghetti, so I mean we?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
we both knew spaghetti.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Spaghetti is the best meal in the world that's great,
that's awesome, and, and whoare yours?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
um, well, i'm'm going to choose Mary Oliver as my
person and I want to have soulfood.
I want to have like like, notturnip greens, but what are the
other things called Collardgreens, with like the ham hock
in it and some cornbread andsome hot sauce and some fried

(38:36):
chicken.
That's good.
And I want to ask Mary Oliverjust so much about her life Like
what, what are those bigmoments in your life that helped
you go beyond surviving and tolike living?
Yeah, that's been a thing I'mseeing all the time on tiktok
and instagram is like you'vesurvived for 50 years.

(39:02):
Now it's time to live fromsurviving to thriving yeah, it's
like thanks.
Yeah, thank you for that and I'mlike I get what you're saying
and I actually want to do that.
So that's what, like that's anintention I'm putting out there,
but it does sound very tosurvive or to thrive.
I'm going to survive and thrive, but like what is?

(39:25):
What does it look like to liveand not just like keep your head
above water?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
And I'm.
I immediately thought what ifshe asked you the same thing
back?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Well, the real question I want to ask her.
I'm being myself right now, butit was really a downer, and
then I'm going back to whatyou're saying.
Okay, the words that came to mymind were what do you do with
all your pain?
But, that was really heavy, butthat's what I want to ask her.
Well, that's a, that's huge.
Yeah, what?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
was the question you just asked, though.
Um, what would you say if sheasked you the same question
which?
What do you do with all of yourpain?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Um, I would say I'm attempting to express it now.
In the past I have bundled itup and tucked it in my different
folds in your compartment, ohhere's a little fold.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Let me put that.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I'm going to put that right under the right.
So I'm trying to express it,but I, I would.
How would you?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
what do you guys do with your pain Avoid?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
it at all costs.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I feel it, you feel it.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I feel I feel it.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, you guys are both reallymature and I'm just like avoid
it.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I think you feel it oh, I feel it, you feel it, I do
, I do feel it I feel it a lotmore without with your new
protocol.
I know I know, and I think thatthat's gonna be really good
maybe that's the point, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
One thing you and I talked about going back to, that
of you know, for people whodon't know my story, for like
seven and a half years I didn'tdrink, I chose not to drink and
I just was like I'm going to doit as long as I want to, and it
may be a few weeks, it may notbe, but we were talking about
what do you do with your time,and that was like the biggest
thing for me is I.

(41:17):
It was around this time too.
It was November that I quit,november 14th and um, and it was
getting dark early and I waslike what the hell am I supposed
to do?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
and that's when I started going to sleep at like 7
30.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
That piece has stuck.
Drink or no drink, bedtime is 8at the latest.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I think you're going to do great.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I think you're going to do amazing.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And I'm excited for your foot and whatever this new
season teaches you.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Thanks, me too.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
We're going to drink it up at Tostitos.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I hope they've got some salsa for our chips.
I hope they have some Doritosat Tostitos.
I hope they've got some salsafor our chips.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I hope they have some Doritos at Tostitos.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I hope they have some sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
We're glad to be back .
Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Love you guys.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Special thanks to our producer, sarah Reed, to find
out more go tocatandmoosepodcastcom.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
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