March 27, 2024 • 54 mins
Ever found yourself in a cap and gown belting out tunes during a Nashville karaoke night? We're all about unconventional celebrations, and as I nudge closer to thesis completion, we're debating just how to mark the occasion. Join us for a hearty laugh as we swap tales from aching childhood memories at Kings Island to the adult rite of passage that is greeting card selection – all while pondering the societal pressures of commemorating life’s milestones.
Midlife has its revelations, and we're not afraid to share ours – from the serendipitous joy of picking out the perfect humorous card to the unexpected insights gained during a bodywork session. We'll take you through an intimate discussion on the liberating shift toward self-contentment that age often brings, and the profound benefits of therapy, especially when it comes to understanding the intricate parts that make up our psyche. It's a candid chat about giving space to our internal parts, and how that can release decades of stress.
And because life's tapestry is nothing if not diverse, we traverse from Lucille Ball's surprising influence on "Star Trek" to the peaceful sanctuary of a therapist's office. We muse over the calming effects of white noise, and the riveting draw of true crime stories, and leave you with a quirky cliffhanger about cicadas that's sure to provoke curiosity. So, settle in with us, Kat and Moose, for a heartfelt episode that’s as unique and multifaceted as the human experience itself.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Hey, cat, hey Moose, hey.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Sarah, hey, sarah, hi , hi, hi, fellows, we're doing
it again called us fellows.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Fellows, are you a fellow?
Uh, maybe a fella.
I feel more like a fella than afellow.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I feel a little bit more like a fellow because it
makes me feel academic it doesfeel academic yeah, I am a
fellow.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I once won a fellowship to go to new york
city, so I'm a fellow.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You are a fellow.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah.
Thank you, you're welcome.
So I was in class this week.
I um you guys, I am like amonth away.
You're so close.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh my gosh Like.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
April 24th, I think, is my last turn in date for my
thesis.
Is there a party we need tohave?
I think this is our party thethree of us maybe invite a
couple others.
The podcast is our party.
Well, yeah, we could celebrateon the like.
Yeah, who else would we invite?
Well, that's not really mypoint.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
My point is that I want you to be and feel really
celebrated for what a bigaccomplishment this is.
Oh, like this is huge, and Ijust want you to feel honored.
And if you feeling honored issitting in this room with the
two of us, the six of us,however many of us are in here,
Well, now that you say how manydo you think are in here.
Well, I'm counting the dogs One, two three, four, so there's
(01:37):
five.
I thought there might be ahidden cat somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Um, okay.
So, speaking of that, I had toturn in some sort of thing
called an absentee, somethingbasically saying I wasn't going
to walk at graduation.
Oh, okay, and I really thoughtabout it, cause I'm like, well,
this is a to your point, likethis is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
But I also am like I'm too efficient with my life.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I don't want to sit anywhere for two and a half
hours and listen to some damnspeech.
Are you kidding me?
And now the diploma goes toDaniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And now the diploma goes to Daniel Smith, and you're
like they're still on H and wehave to go to Z.
So, anyway, I was like, no, I'mnot doing that, but I thought
it could be fun.
You know all of the touriststhat come into Nashville.
We recognize them because theywear short jean skirts yes.
(02:32):
Cowboy boots yes.
They think we, as Nashvilleians, dress this way Because they've
seen some country music, Don'tyou?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I definitely do, not Only on Tuesday nights.
When I go to broadway, I wearsurvival gear, I wear things
that keep my body from fallingapart.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I do not wear cowboy boots and jean, can we come back
to that, because I want to talkabout comfortability when we
get old, but all that to say,just like they.
So then you have thebachelorettes that come in and
they've got like a full sash onyeah, um.
So I guess what I'm asking youguys is maybe our version of a
(03:14):
bachelorette party is agraduation party and we all wear
graduation gowns and caps andlike go karaoke and like wait,
why aren't you Wait?
Like yeah, wait, just so.
You know.
You called my ass out last weekand it got edited on something,
but you just said to me huh,huh, which means okay, I, what
(03:37):
does it mean?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
you tell me?
Well, no, please tell me whatit meant to me.
Huh means that's not happeningand I was still stuck on.
You wanted me.
What I heard was not that you,this is what I heard.
I'm just.
This is a great proof of likehow we do as human, or how I do
(03:58):
as a human.
What I heard was, instead of abachelorette party, all of us
are going to wear cowboy bootsand short shorts and we're going
to go downtown.
I didn't hear the graduationgown.
I didn't know the context.
I immediately was like I'm notgoing to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean I just, want to say the first thing that
comes up when you say jean shortor jean skirt.
When I hear you say it back tome is chafing between my legs
after a night of drinking.
Like you would really have towear some like tight shorts
under there, right?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, like okay.
When is the last time that thathas actually happened?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
to you.
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Because, that is a trauma from a long time ago.
Yeah, or maybe not.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I have a great story.
Do you have a story aboutchafing?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, true story I'm going to get.
I always say 12 years old onany trauma, so let's go with 12
years old.
I might've been older, Imight've been younger, but I
went to Kings Island in MasonOhio.
It's like the six flags of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So fun Island in Mason, Ohio.
It's like the six flags of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I mean Cedar Point's cool too, right, but
Kings Island with some friendsand I must've been younger,
because we had a chaperone and Iwas in so much pain from the
chafing that happened with theshorts that I was wearing and I
wasn't like a chubby little girl, my legs were just chafing.
I was a cute kind of chubbylittle girl.
But so I asked the chaperone ifI could have the keys to the
(05:29):
car and this is the summer, youguys.
They gave me the keys and Iwent and sat in the car because
I was, I couldn't walk one morestep.
I couldn't walk one more step.
And I just remember likeleaning down, pulling my thigh
back and just seeing thisexposed blister and then it was
(05:50):
awful, and so that is my traumaaround.
So I'm not wearing that unlessI've got some good chafing
underpants yeah, good, I'm soglad.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So could we go back to what the celebration looks
like now that I can hear it withwith not my trauma ears?
I would like to hear it.
So you want the three of us toget together and wear graduation
gowns and caps?
Is that, is that, the visionfor the graduation party.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I mean, I'm totally I just noticed my, my body
language like closing up.
Let me think about what I wantto celebrate.
Okay, I would like to.
I would like for the three ofus to take some ridiculous
pictures related to megraduating, one that I can
actually put on my wall, withmaybe a couple other friends too
(06:42):
, and, just like a celebration,I can be in my cap and gown.
I want that as a memory so Ican look back in 20 years and be
like oh, look what.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I did.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And then it'll look like we just walked out of the
ceremony but nobody will know.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But why are we wearing the cap and gown?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That was more of the Broadway thing.
Well, I think we've moved pastthat.
Yeah, I, that was more of theBroadway thing.
Well, I think we've moved pastthat.
Yeah, I mean, if you guys wantto wear the cap and gown, I
don't know, it was an idea and Ithink I'm moving past it.
Okay, and then I would like togo to a really nice dinner at
like Kane Prime.
Okay, that sounds great, kat.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm sorry I cut you off.
Oh, that's okay, I'm fine Good.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh okay, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I learned about boundary setting last week and I
came in.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
We had a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
This has.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I just cut you off too.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
This has nothing to do with what I wanted to share.
I haven't even.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I just looked up and I was like oh yeah, I well, what
do you want to share, Moose?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So very quickly.
So I in my readings in schoolfour weeks away from graduation.
That's how we got there.
Um I, there's this book that Ijust got called fierce
conversations, but, um, I justgot it and, and part of my
reading this week was, was achapter of that book, and I just
want to read this because, um,it's sort of inspired by this
(08:07):
roomie poem and you guys know Ilove roomie and here's what.
Here's what this littleparagraph says.
For many people, the answer tothe question what's the opposite
of talking is waiting to talk.
Many people think that notspeaking when someone is talking
is the same as listening.
Hearing people's words is onlythe beginning.
(08:29):
Do you also hear their fears,their intentions, their
aspirations?
In the words of the 13thcentury Sufi poet, Rumi, reach
your long hands out to anotherdoor, beyond where you go, on
the street, the street whereeveryone says how are you?
And no one says how aren't you?
And I, it struck me, how aren'tyou?
(08:53):
And so I thought it would befun, even though I just went
through 12 days of talking aboutgraduating to start the podcast
by saying how aren't you?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
How, how are?
You always feels so likesweeping right like yeah, do you
really give a shit?
Or yeah, yeah, are you askingme?
Let's begin with you, cat.
Okay, how aren't I?
Um, I am not feeling inemotional.
Wow, it's okay.
(09:26):
How am I?
I am not speaking English.
That is how I am.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I was hoping you were going to say I aren't, I aren't
.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
How I'm not feeling, how I aren't feeling.
That's for you, thank you.
Is I don't feel distressed?
Oh wow, I don't feel distressed, oh wow.
I don't feel under the gun.
I don't feel like I am beingpressured by anyone.
I don't feel like I'm beingpressured by a schedule or a job
(09:55):
or anything like that, and Ihave done my job today.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And we are doing the podcast right now, which, to me,
is part of my job, and I'vebeen a part of a body work
session today.
That, to me, is part of my job,and I've been a part of a body
work session today.
That's also a part of my job.
And like I don't feel like anyof that is out of balance, um,
and that is a really enjoyablefeeling to feel like I am not
out of balance.
I love that.
I'm loving it too.
(10:20):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I love that you knew immediately how you aren't,
Because that was hard for me.
How aren't you Sarah?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I aren't not.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Triple negatives.
How aren't I?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's a hard question, right, it is hard.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, I'm going to try.
Okay, I aren't.
I am not covered in anxietytoday, which is big, and part of
that is I've been able to do alot of creative things today, so
I think that brings me energyinstead of depleting my energy.
(11:18):
So I aren't full of anxietytoday.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Nice, nice.
I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Thank you.
Do you have any?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
arts.
Yeah, but it feels like lookingin the mirror and trying to
like do your hair where it'slike a backwards thing.
Yeah, I aren't, basically I'mnot sleepy today.
Oh, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, I I feel rested andnice.
That's um not common for me, atleast in the last several weeks
(11:48):
yeah so, yeah, it's been niceI've.
I've also been on a break, butit's been.
I'm not like overwhelmed withneeding rest that's good.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Wow, I am also not.
I feel like lately I give lessshits about what people think
and that feels great.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I bought a card this week.
I went.
May I share my experience.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yes, please.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Okay, I will now allow you to speak.
Thank you, I last Friday, I um,I had some free time.
Okay, um, I had some free timeand I was in between an
appointment and an appointment Ithought might happen, and so I
stayed in the part of town whereI thought the appointment might
(12:35):
happen, sure, and I had aboutan hour and a half to myself and
I didn't know what to do withmyself, because I don't do a lot
of that.
I don't do a lot of like.
I don't do a lot of like.
I have an hour and a half to dowhatever the hell I want.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And I was over in Brentwood and there's a store
over in Brentwood called papersource.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh, yeah, and if you know me at all.
Yes, I love this store.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I love this store.
I love to wrap presents.
I love to be really intentionalin how I choose to wrap them.
I make a lot of well, actually,I don't make a lot of handmade
cards anymore.
I do for my mom.
I make my mom handmade cardsand sometimes that's cool.
Yeah, sometimes my sister, butthat's really cool.
I've never gotten a handmadecard.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
No, it's not it's.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
it's something that is pretty pretty reserved for my
mom.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I can't wait for my mom's one.
Well, graduation may be thatOkay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Back to me.
Enough about me, let's talkabout me.
So I have some more to share.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And so I was so I was over in Brentwood and paper
source and I spent probablyabout 45 to 50 minutes looking
at every greeting card, oh yeah,every little game, every little
diary of zen, whatever, everylittle like you know, cube, that
(13:55):
you can sit on your desk andflip to get encouraging messages
every day.
I mean I like I looked at allthat stuff and then when I kind
of realized my lunch thing thatI thought might happen, probably
wasn't going to happen, I wentto my favorite little restaurant
in brentwood it's called soybistro and I went and I ordered
(14:15):
myself the bieden bop, which ismy favorite thing in the world.
I love a Beed'n Bop.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Jesus, lord in heaven , did you just say Beed'n Bop
yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's Bib-im-bop.
I thought you just said Beed'nBop, beed'n Bop, oh, beed'n Bop
yeah that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's what I thought I heard too.
Um, anyway, and I orderedmyself that and I waited like 15
minutes for them to give it tome for me to take home, and
which I took it home and ate itand it was fine.
Um, I really enjoyed that space.
Yes, I don't ever do that formyself.
Why, I don't know.
(14:59):
And I thought to myself likethis I felt, I felt like God, I
felt like I saw the seven daysand it was good.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I said it was good.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Like I felt, like I saw that moment for myself and I
was like this is good.
This was really good for me todo, and so, um, I think that
this means that we are on thebackside of midlife crisis.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I don't know.
I'm sitting here thinking whatwas that like to walk into a
store, right, I mean, honestly,when I have to meet in this okay
, this is not me beingagoraphobic, this is separate
from that but like when I gointo a store, I am like, wow,
people still like shop and walkin to look for clothes and like
(15:49):
you sounded like you weredescribing like an old school
Hallmark store, oh yeah, which Ilove.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's like beautifully curated.
Yeah, it's like Hallmark oncrack.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
On like bohemian crack.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yes, Because, like every the car, every single card
is fantastic.
Let me tell you about the onethat I saw and that was my whole
point was to tell you about theone that I got for you, so
don't let me forget that.
Oh, the one that I saw that Iwas in the store.
I literally went like I laughedout loud.
It said congratulations onbeing nine months sober.
(16:25):
And then, in tiny fontparentheses, it said oh, and the
baby.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Oh my gosh, that's good it was so funny.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The card that I bought you has this woman on
the-.
Well, let's be clear, that wasnot the card you bought for me,
that was not for you.
And I did not buy that card.
Okay, good, I didn't, but Ithought it was really funny.
Yeah, the card that I boughtyou has this lady on the front
of it that has this giantshopping bag and she goes hi,
this is my bag of how many fucksI don't give, and I totally
(16:55):
bought it for you, yeah, yeah, Imean, you know, I think that
does happen on a midlife, whereyou hit an age where you're like
what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm like doing all these things that socially line
up, but they're not giving melife, and so you're just like I
really don't care anymore whatyou think.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's hard to get to.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I would love to completely get there, but at
some point I think peoplerespect you for doing what you
love and what you care about andwhat's meaningful to you.
Then they do like judging.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, they're still judgers they're still judgers
and I think that like at leastfor me at this age and this time
every time I get to just have alittle touch and go with that
feeling of like I'm doing what Iwant to do, I'm doing for me,
it feels exhilarating.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I know what you mean, where you have space Like
I don't ever build in space, Ilike build in time to get
somewhere and then sit for 15minutes to like breathe and
chill or whatever.
What's that like?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
well, it's called over preparation and neuroticism
but we talked about that on theon the podcast a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I can't remember what it oh yeah I was asking, like I
was emphasizing that gettingthere early is being on time.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, we did talk about that, I remember.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So you had body work today, can you tell?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
us about that.
I mean, I am willing to talkabout it a little bit.
Okay, I have a lot to process.
It was a fantastic appointment,really really powerful, and I
did like parts work that Iwasn't really prepared to do.
(18:55):
Okay, and I don't necessarilyknow that we go into a
therapeutic situation.
Going hi, I'm Kat and I'm goingto do some parts work, Maybe we
do, I do.
In this instance, today I didnot, and I know that that
happens a lot in my body worksessions, but today I didn't.
I went in saying I feel reallybalanced today, like I was
almost like why am I here?
(19:15):
You know, I mean, I was veryglad to be there, but I didn't
have this like please help mefrom this horrible thing that I
need freedom from Like it wasn'tlike that today.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And um and it was, it was mind blowing.
It was mind blowing.
First of all, my practitioneris amazing.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Secondly, the modality that is the same one
that I've been studying, I think, is so powerful.
It's local distal acupressuremet with like Ericksonian
psychology theory.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Oh, yeah, the old Ericksonian yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It was just a fantastic session.
And then I came here and I waslike what is going on in my life
?
And I had a colleague call meon the way here and say how can
I help you do the thing so thatyou can go do your podcast?
And I was like what ishappening right now, like this
(20:06):
is awesome, and it just felt sogood.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, goodness, you've had quite the day.
Can we go into what parts youmight have talked to?
You don't have to tell useverything but like we love
parts work here and I'm justcurious if what you might have,
who you might've spoken to?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Okay, I'll say that Cause it's going to be an
ongoing thing and it's.
I think it's going to be arelatively lengthy and
relatively full of a lot oftears thing.
But I had a conversation withmy stomach.
Oh good, yeah, my stomach isalways upset.
My stomach is always tight.
My stomach is where I carry, Ithink, the thickest of my
(20:54):
armoring, if you will.
Um and I had a conversationwith my stomach today and I I
uncovered some reallyinteresting stuff and um and so
for you Um and so for you, thatis your.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Your body is holding that, whatever it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I feel like I can say like very confidently, like
when people go, where do youcarry your stress?
I'm like right here, yeah, likeright in my solar plexus, like
right at the bottom of thexiphoid process, and and your
perineum and my perineumum I donot care, don't leave.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I wish I carried my stress and my perineum?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
no, it would just fall out the bottom.
Well, no, then I would justhave sex all the time and make
it better right?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
wow, it could just have release release wow, yeah,
you're right, there's twoorifices for it to come out of
Orifices.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Orifices I like to only have sex through one of the
orifices, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Just to be clear.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, got it.
Thank you for that.
Thank you, very vulnerablemoment.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So your solar plexus is where you carry it all it is
yeah.
Yeah, I think mine is here too.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Really here too.
Really is this my solar plexus?
Yeah, yeah, it's in thatvicinity.
Yeah, where's yours, sarah, andmy neck?
Where where my neck meets myshoulders?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
what I almost said.
What karma is that?
What, um, what's it calledchakra?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
chakra is that um, throat, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think it.
I think it is the, the neck,the throat, and and and also,
like I've heard it said and I'mgoing to paraphrase this, but
I've heard it said that, likethe bridge between the head and
the heart is the neck, wow, andso the bridge between what
happens in our minds and whathappens in our bodies is it the
(22:41):
bridge?
Is the neck, and no wonder it'sso tense.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, it makes so much sense, doesn't it make a ton of
sense.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And there's a ton of wonderful acupressure points or
acupuncture points, whateverlike pressure points that that
can be a part of helping theneck maybe release some of its
tension from you know, alwaysbeing that bridge, but I found
that to be so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Okay, think about that from us using our voice
perspective.
Whenever I'm talking to mytherapist about something that's
hard and it doesn't even haveto be something that is grief
related, but something that islike, say it's something I've
always wanted to do, but Ihaven't put the time or whatever
into it and you finally likespeak it and you're like you
(23:25):
know what I would like to do,I'd like to write a book or
whatever it is I always findthat my voice naturally clamps
up and my therapist always saysshe always says did you hear
your body showing you howimportant that is, or whatever?
And so the bridge thing is soimportant, because so many times
we're stuck in our head, orsome people they're stuck in
(23:49):
their heart, and what could itlook like to keep that free
flowing?
And is the voice a way to dothat?
I?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
mean the answer is I think the answer is yes, and I
think like moose like when youshare about stuff on the podcast
that is really vulnerable orreally meaningful to you or
something that has really movedyou, your voice always quivers.
Oh, yeah, it's beautiful, likeit's.
(24:19):
It's like when I know, like asyour friend.
Yeah, it's when I feel like Iknow, like, pay attention, this
is important.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Like it's really to me, it's very, very beautiful.
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a.
It's a good thing to notice.
Like okay, this seems important.
Yeah, you know, yeah, okay, soyou spoke to your stomach.
Did it tell you anything?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh, it told me all kinds of stuff.
It is mad as hell.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Oh, it is, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's mad at me.
It's mad at me for how hard Ihave asked it to work for so
many years.
Yeah, and what?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
kind of work do you mean?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To carry all my stress.
Oh, I see, to carry the weightof the world as a 10 year old
carry the weight of the world.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
As a 10 year old, I mean, I was medevaced from
Germany when we lived in GermanyI know you've shared the story
and like I don't think untilyou've shared it that you
recognize the the weight of it,yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You were medevaced from Germany.
I was medevaced from Germanybecause of my quote, unquote
stomach issues.
And they did.
I had upper GIs, lower GI, Ihad every test you could give a
person and they could not findanything wrong with me.
And that is still my situationtoday.
I have this constant well, notconstant I have a chronic pain
(25:39):
in my chest that I've been toevery doctor that can deal with
something in the chest andthey're just like you got
nothing and it's like I know.
I feel like I know now thatthat is a stress from my stomach
like coming up into my chest,and I felt like at 10 years old
(25:59):
I was worried about nuclearwarfare.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I carried the stress of what I heard on the world
news and what I knew that my momand dad were both a part of
trying to keep us safe from bybeing, you know, civilians that
worked in a military situation,like I.
I I have carried my stress inmy stomach from a very, very
early age and I think, that mystomach is like damn it, we need
(26:25):
a break, Like we need you toback up and let us have a little
bit of a break.
So yeah, my stomach was pissed.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Let's take a deep breath.
What are you going to let go of?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
of oh, I don't know, I I am.
So even in my session today Iwas like I'm not ready to do
that, like I like, I think, justacknowledging that this area
has been holding this chronictension for so long.
If I just did that for a monthyeah, just acknowledge you that
(27:10):
you have carried this tension,then that that would be enough.
I want to do more than that.
I want to move faster than thatif I can, if it's, if it's
productive yeah um, but yeah itwas, it was really Gosh.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I think parts work is so fascinating.
I had a friend that was askingtons of questions about it,
trying to understand it, and Iwas like you need to read Dr
Schwartz's book.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Um so good, it's so good, but um, and that's the one
that's called, there are no badparts.
No bad parts.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, and there's like a 2017 interview that I
directed my friend to that Ijust wanted to mention.
If people don't want to readthe book which I get, it's
Alanis Morissette's.
I think it's called AConversation with Alanis
Morissette.
She even wrote the foreword onhis book book.
(28:08):
But I mean, you know, I feellike IFS work is very popular
now, but I mean, that was sevenyears ago and she was one of the
first people to really adopthis work.
But anyway, there is aninterview of her with Dr Dick
Schwartz talking about IFS work.
But the way I explained it andIwrote it down because I was like
I'm going to try to rememberthis this is what I wrote.
I believe we are meant to existwith all of our parts, make
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peace with them, making surethey see us as we are in the
present.
That's something my therapistdoes with me all the time is,
after we've talked to that part,you know she'll say do they see
you as you are now?
And do they?
No, no, they see me as a 17year old struggling with the
same thing and they are like youhave a house.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
What you have a dog, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You have a job, I mean, and so you kind of talk to
that part saying like whoa,like I totally hear you.
Can I tell you a couple ofthings, though?
And you just go like let metell you.
Did you know, like we gotthrough this and we got through
this, and usually they're stuck,and then I said so after you
see, if they see you in thepresent then ask when they took
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on the job that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's what my third.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I just wrote this down based on my own experience.
So when was it that you took onprotecting me as an example?
And if they?
And then you ask them do youlike your job?
Wow.
And if they don't, you tellthem is there anything else?
Or you ask them is thereanything else you'd like to do?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Like a different job.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Different job.
You can do another job ifyou're tired of doing this job
and that gives them the freedomof like, recognizing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And do your parts like just come up with that shit
, like right away, yeah and onlybecause I think I have spent
time with my therapist likebuilding that safe space.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So like my stomach could have a new job of being a
healing arts practitioner, yeah,it can do anything, but you got
to ask it what it wants to do,right, it doesn't know that it
shouldn't keep clenching, okay.
That's what I think Well,that's beautiful.
That's the whole book.
You don't even need to read thebook.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
This has been the cliff notes of that book, yeah,
okay.
So we've been talking abouttherapy and body work and a lot
of really deep stuff, and Iwould like to give our listeners
um, I don't think there aremany of them, but I think there
are a few of them who wouldreally.
No, there's a lot of listenerssorry, I didn't mean that like
(30:48):
that.
I don't think that there aremany of them who aren't willing
to go there with us and I wantto honor that there might be a
couple that they're like can youjust say something funny,
because you guys used to laughall the time and now you're just
talking about all your innerchild work.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I all that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think that was your stomach speaking up?
It is my stomach speaking upand my stomach has been invited
to the conversation.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's here, come on.
And it's here and it's pissedand it's on the, it's in the
neck, it's in the throat.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, it's in the neck, it's in the throat.
Um so we got so many texts wedid emails, threats, phone calls
of everybody saying how threats, incredibly threats, huge
idiots we were.
That we all did not know thatin the bruce springsteen dancing
(31:38):
in the dark video, yeah, thatthe beautiful woman who kept
like like googly eyeing at himwas courtney cox, from friends,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
so we've got to address.
Yeah, we do have to address it.
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I had no idea.
First of all, I've never in mylife seen a full episode of
friends, really.
So it's fair for me to say, andyou can make fun of that oh no,
I mean I, I, I've only seen afew I've.
I was not a friend's personlike I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Did you like her and scream, though?
I loved her and scream I?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
don't.
I don't think I saw thatbecause I don't do scary movies,
but that was like a teenagescary movie like it wasn't like
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I saw it super gory, okay, if I remember right I need
to go watch it tonightapparently it was like the
dawson's creek of horror movies.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
That's awesome, but anyway, in bruce springsteen's
music video of dancing in thedark, it's basically him
performing on stage and justhaving this like connection with
this girl in the audience, andeverybody in the world who
listens to the podcast knew thatthat was Courtney Cox and we
(32:46):
did not, so this is my publicapology that I am not aware,
culturally aware.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Culturally aware?
Well, I wasn't either, and Ithink they should redo that
video Like do it real time.
Yeah, like Bruce now and hernow.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Oh, that'd be great.
He'd be pulling her up on stageand she'd have like a cane.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
She's not old dude, he's old I love following her on
social media oh, really is ahoot, really.
Yeah, like her best friend.
Yeah, they do all theseridiculous videos.
She's so funny, um, it's supersarcastic and makes fun of
herself.
And but the last time I heardabout bruce he got in trouble at
(33:33):
a national park for smokingweed on his motorcycle.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Come on I mean there might be one of my parts that
might be judgmental about that,but it is not alive today, okay,
good, really there was a partthat might be judgmental about
that, but it is not alive today.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, good, really there was a part that would be
oh my, gosh, like my, my, likesuper Uber.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
conservative Christian part.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I've never seen your.
Okay, I have seen.
Yes, you have, I have seen that.
Yeah, but you're right, she'sbeen dead for a while.
We're not supposed to kill him,that's the key.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I mean I'm like courtney cox is dead, died wait
don't kill your cox is live in awhile.
Yeah, she's fine, bruce is justa little high we started a rumor
, and that's how we becamefamous yeah, seriously, um, so
yeah, thank you for circlingback about that you're welcome.
And while I'm on a roll ofculturally relevant things, I
don't know if you guys are awarethat the state of tennessee has
(34:29):
recently and I think maybe it'sthe state of tennessee or it
was just davidson county or justdowntown nashville they have
said officially that emotionalsupport animals are not allowed
in restaurants.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Really, I didn't know that yes.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Now if it's a service animal that is like, okay,
you're blind and you need yourgolden retriever to help you get
somewhere, that dog can go intothe restaurant.
But the bill says that the onlyanimals now allowed in public
places like restaurants are fishtanks and service animals.
(35:08):
Fish tanks.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
You know how like the Rainforest Cafe has like a
giant which that exploded duringCOVID.
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Oh, I remember it got flooded and there were like
piranhas going around the house.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Wait, wait, wait, wait wait During COVID, or was
it the flood?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Wait.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You said it got, it did.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
During COVID, one of their actual aquariums broke.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
During.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
COVID.
You said during COVID yeah, inlike 2020.
Look it up, it's there.
Look it up.
But during the floods ofNashville 2010,.
Yeah, in like 2020.
Look it up, it's there.
Look it up.
Look it up, girl.
But during the floods ofNashville 2010, there were these
fake videos of people likeholding sharks.
Right, right, come on, are youserious?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But there were people that were really concerned
about being eaten by piranhas.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
remember this?
Yes, it was like a masshysteria and it was like
photoshopped and people werelike.
This happened in West Mead myleg got eaten by a fish.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh my God, people are so like yeah, okay, so back.
What were we talking about?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Piranhas, I'm bringing up oh the animals, I'm
bringing up funny things to getus away from the whole like
therapy talk, I've got more.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh great.
Hit us Kat.
Hit us with the culturallyrelevant news.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Did you guys know that if it weren't for Lucille
Ball you know, she's one of myheroes and I'm curious if you
know this about her If itweren't for her, Star Trek
wouldn't exist?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Did not know that, did you not know wouldn't exist.
Did not know that?
Did you not know that?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I did not know that I didn't know that I read an
article which I.
The fact that I was on theinternet is an act of god and so
like, yay, I read really well,I mean, I use it for my email,
but like I don't go like look,oh, you don't like you're
creating space on the internetas well for yourself yeah, well,
I don't post on social medialike I don't, you know, like I
(37:08):
don't, and so, anyway, I wasreading this article that said
that desilu studios, which isher and desi's yeah, company
studio, whatever um, that startrek originated there and
whoever was like in charge allthe time that wasn't her, like
(37:29):
all the worker bees that weredoing all the work or whatever
they kept wanting to like.
They tried Star Trek and itjust didn't catch with the
audience.
They did like a pilot and likenobody cared and she fought for
it and fought for it and foughtfor it for like three years, wow
, and then finally all of a forit for like three years, Wow.
And then finally all of a sudden, it was like Trekkies were born
(37:49):
, Like people just really,really embraced.
Star Trek and I had no idea,and I'm not a Trekkie, I don't
know much about Star Trek, butlike I thought it was so cool
that not only was it LucilleBall but it was a woman Right
who kept Star Trek alive, like Ijust thought I thought you
(38:09):
especially would find thatreally interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I should probably know that I did a.
I wrote a documentary aboutLucille Ball's life in college
and won a national award for it.
What, yes, I did, and it wasone of my.
What was it called?
I don't know, I need to look itup.
It was Lucille.
And then there was likesomething after it, but I, I won
this award and she was thefirst woman to own a studio.
(38:34):
Oprah was the second, wow.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
She's incredible.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
She's incredible.
She is incredible and Iremember you being such a huge
fan and I can't help.
But I'm not trying to dominatehere, but you're just ticking
off like all of my notes.
Come on, it's.
It's so awesome that talkingabout like things that happened
at a certain time, like she wasthe first woman that had a
studio and then Oprah was thesecond woman, so the Wright
(39:02):
brothers, you know the Wrightbrothers they like invented
flight per se like they theyflew for the first time in 1903,
which is so weird.
It's so weird that that was likejust last well, two centuries
ago now.
Yeah, um, the first flight tookplace in 1903.
66 years later, we landed onthe moon.
(39:25):
What, wow?
What do you make of that if youbelieve?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
if you believe it, yeah, if you believe it.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
What do you make?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
yes, I'm remembering michael stipe.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, michael stipe, rem such a good man on the moon
man on the moon.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yes, I'm remembering Michael Stipe yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Michael Stipe REM such a good um yeah, wow, where
did you find these facts?
Did you like bump into like acard catalog on the way here?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I actually got out my microfiche you happen to have
one of those at home yeah,you're like.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You know what some people like the internet.
I like microfiche, yeah.
So so we landed on the moon.
And now, okay, so we have thewright brothers planes land on
the moon and then in 2024, youcan no longer take a safe flight
because doors fall off.
Fly off the planes right, rightso don't fly on a plane, just
(40:29):
go to space.
Yeah, just go to space, guys.
Yeah, yeah, I have.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I have never been to the moon, that's all.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wait, can we acknowledge her face after she
said it?
Yes, I have never been to themoon.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
She's like so proud of herself.
Yeah it's like I'm curious,what is that?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I don't know.
It doesn't make sense and Ifeel like I'm going to get a lot
of questions about it and Ineed to come up with an answer
for it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
What?
Where did you?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
first see the shirt to buy it Instagram.
Uh, always, I want to say itwas something like useless or
pointless t-shirtscom orsomething oh my gosh, gosh.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
That is like the perfect website for you, yeah I
mean, that's, that's reallyawesome, and so how?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
what took you from seeing it to purchasing?
I?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I needed it it was.
It was like a.
This might not even be a realwebsite, but I need it you're
willing to take a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's that, it's timu, and you'll get it in three
years.
It was not Timu.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Did you get it?
I did, I just got it.
I wore it yesterday and it fitsgreat.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I think your answer when people say what is your
shirt and you just say it's justtrue, I've never been to the
moon, I mean right, and thenthey can feel what they want
about me.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
What do you think they might feel want about me?
I don't, I don't know, butthey're coming at me already
with some judgment, don't you?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
think they're coming at you.
What is your?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
shirt.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
They're coming at you with like machine if they're
willing to talk to me about thatand ask well, what does that
mean?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, no, they're just saying what does your shirt
mean?
If they say it in that tone, Idon't think they're coming.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's true.
I've never been to one, haveyou.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I think, in a different lifetime, that I have
you do I?
Do I'm, I'm super believing inlike multiple lives, quantum
physics and multiple lives andlives in different timelines and
stuff like that, and like Ilove Jesus.
So like, don't get me wrong,like I I've not.
That was for you Christiansthat are going to freak.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
It was just a side note, that was actually for me.
Like that was actually for me.
You talking to a part.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I love.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Jesus, yeah, it was.
No, was actually for me youtalking to a part I love?
Jesus, yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
no, I hear you, though it's like you can love
jesus and believe these thingsright, and I think that is is
very true and I think that, likethe moon is somewhere, I've
been.
I just think I've been.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
I think that's so cool I think that I lived during
the dinosaurs.
Really I just really want to,so that just came to me.
But, like, why is thatsomething that would be?
I've always been fascinatedwith dinosaurs.
Maybe I was a paleontologist orsomething, but I just think
they're the coolest things andhow weird that massive monsters
(43:32):
ruled the earth.
I mean it's just wild.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
If you were a dinosaur, do you know which type
of dinosaur you?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
would be Not a T-Rex.
I couldn't do it, the short armthing.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Brontosaurus is always my favorite, but they're
not legit anymore.
Is it like Pluto?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Oh, they've, like they've been exiled from the
dinosaur community.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Really They've delegitimized it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Wait is Brontosaurus, the like, the long neck, the
long neck, yeah, the long neck.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Why did you like?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
that one.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
They were gentle.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, and vegetarians .
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, yeah, they love vegetarians.
I was 100% a pterodactyl.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Oh yeah, I flew and you would scare the shit out of
people like flying in andswooping.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Swooping.
I mean, that wasn't my MO wasto scare people I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I think you would enjoy that.
It's just what you do.
What do you guys think I wouldbe?
Oh, I like the Triceratops.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I always like the.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Triceratops too.
Is that the one with the fan?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
around its head.
Yeah, yeah, I like that one alot.
I think that's what I want tobe.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
They have little stubby legs, though what about
the Megalodon?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Oh, the shark.
Well, it's like a whaleDinosaur shark.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's like a whale and a shark and a dinosaur.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
That's like a whole other universe in the water.
My nephews both are, oh reallyis it from?
Speaker 1 (44:56):
transformers maybe I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I think there's a movie called megalodon too.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm sure there is I had a conversation with a friend
this week about watching truecrime yeah, stuff, and it made
me think of you I know you do,and and I I don't understand the
fascination with it.
And then I had a conversationwith another friend.
Well, aren't?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
you rubbing it in wow , do you have any feelings about
that?
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I'm joking, it's just jokes, okay, but you have any
feelings about that?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm joking, it's just jokes.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Okay, but you have more friends.
I have like three, and I do too.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I have three friends, and one of the three came to
town and we had a lovelyconversation and she was saying
that, being in the professionthat she is in, she works as a
first responder.
That she is in, she works as afirst responder.
(46:00):
okay, and she was saying, beingin the profession that she's in,
when she is dealing with thosehigh intensity, really big, like
dramatic moments, is the onlytime that it quiets her mind is
the chaos I get that because I'mfocused on this person this
thing in my the all that's goingon in my mind all the time it
(46:25):
like it has to be quiet in orderfor me to do my job and I love
getting to do that because, yeah, it helps quiet that part of my
mind and I thought that was itis fascinating and so it makes
me go oh, those of you who lovetrue crime or like horror films
or whatever it is it's like, oh,like it kind of made a little
more sense to me.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
I just like to know what's going to happen to me,
and so I feel like the more Iwatch Like when someone murders
you.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, like all the scenarios, it's like the guy
under the like.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
When someone murders you.
Yeah, like all the scenariosunder the car with the razor
blade cutting my Achilles, lord.
So for me I'm like I know it'scoming, so I need to be as
prepared it.
It's like going getting yourmaster's degree.
It's like you're gonna bemurdered or attacked.
So become as informed as youpossibly can yeah, yeah, that
(47:17):
makes sense, yeah, and.
I do appreciate what she saidand I'm curious for you guys
what calms, what does that foryou?
What?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
what snaps you into like a place where you're like
oh mine is uh, there is one songon Spotifyify specifically I
wouldn't even call it a song,more of a track um, and it's
just white noise, and I put myheadphones on with the um, my,
what are they called?
The airpod max, airpod max promaxes, maxi pads, the maxi pads,
(47:52):
two maxi pads, one on each slap, one on each ear.
Turn.
Turn it on transparent mode, no, no, no, no.
Turn it on isolation mode.
Is that right?
I mean, they all sound lovely.
Oh yeah, where it just turnsoff the outside world and I'm
just listening to my white noise, it like tricks my brain into
sleeping.
Oh my gosh, oh, I love that.
(48:13):
That's your safe spot sleeping.
Oh my gosh, I love that that'syour safe spot it, it's like,
it's like instant for me.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I can be asleep in five minutes.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
That's good.
Love that.
What's your?
Speaker 1 (48:23):
safe, happy, everything's clicking probably
being on the table yeah, on orrubbing the table maybe just
explain what that means topeople who don't know what that
could mean.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh yeah, Tell us about how you like to climb up
on that table she just likesgetting on tables I like getting
on tables and it makes me feelat peace.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, that's so awful .
That's not at all what I mean.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Any kind of table I know like I'm.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
What I'm referring to is a table for body work.
Referring to is a a table forbody work, like I um, I have
been taught by the community ofpeople that I have been learning
and studying with that being ona table is a really safe place
for me, yeah, and so I really I,I am able to kind of let go
(49:12):
there yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
So that can you do that when you are also working
with somebody.
When you do that when you arealso working with somebody, when
you're standing next to thetable working with somebody who
is on the table yes, that alsofeels that it feels it.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
It feels it's a little more weighty.
Yeah because I'm the one incharge of course, like I'm the
one who, who the client ispaying to do a thing?
Yeah, and I also feel reallysafe there because my goal is to
create a, a a real environmentof safety for that person Right
(49:46):
Right.
And if it's safe for them, italso is safe for me, and that
maybe that isn't always true,but for me that has been true so
far.
And so, yeah, yeah, it's likebeing at the side of the table
or being on the table.
It's like I'm like, yeah,that's a, yeah, safe place what
about you moose?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
uh, I think for me, um, I'm probably being in my
therapist's presence, like I'veprobably been in my therapist's
presence, like I, just we, likeyou were asking can you just
like flow into that or whatever,and it's like, yeah, I'll
literally come in and go.
Here's a quick update of fiveminutes.
(50:26):
Here's what I, who I feel likeI need to talk to this week.
We, at this point, there's afew off weeks where, um, I just
need to talk through a problemor something, but it generally
is this is the part that'sraising its hand.
Huh, that's so cool.
So, yeah, I feel I feel safeand content in that space.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Love that.
That's awesome, yeah, yeah, Ithink we should just keep asking
each other where we feel safe.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Okay, how about you, sarah?
Can you play that video, sarah,cause this kind of plays into
this and I would love to getyour guys' feedback.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
The most interesting types of people to work with as
a somatic based trauma therapistis people who intellectualize
their feelings, and the reasonis because, similar to those who
are referred to as having highfunctioning anxiety or
depression, these folks oftenfall through the cracks, and the
reason is because they can tellyou where certain behaviors
(51:29):
originated from, where theirthought patterns come from, what
they should do in order tochange some of these pieces.
But they still feel the sameand typically the root is that
they're not connected to theirbodies.
So they think about it, theyanalyze their feelings, but they
don't actually feel theirfeelings.
(51:50):
They don't feel safe enough intheir body too, so on the
surface, someone might assumeokay, you're done therapy,
there's no more work to do.
Pack it up.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Can you guys relate to that?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
I can definitely.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I.
I watched that and I was like,oh my God, I'm that person she's
talking about.
Yeah, because and I even seethe smile on my therapist's face
sometimes when I'll be like Imean, I know where it's from,
it's from this, and here's thethought pattern.
And everything she justdescribed and and then my
therapist will say can we justbreathe and process what you
(52:29):
just said?
Huh, which is kind of what Idid to you earlier, where I was
like that was a lot, yeah, likelet's feel that, yeah, but I
don't ever feel safe in my ownbody.
That's one thing I'm working onis like embodiment to really
love that.
I probably should come see yousoon.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I mean, I would love it.
I would love it and I need someserious coaching.
So I just I mean.
I think all of our listenersare like screaming at their
windshields right now going whydon't?
You guys do this like you talkabout it all the time.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Look, if you listeners want to join us, we
will start by doing a littleretreat where we're going to uh,
cat's gonna do some bodytherapy, body work therapy, and
I'm gonna do some coachingtherapy none of these are words
that we actually use and sarah'sgonna teach us all how to um,
(53:20):
roll around on the floor and doyoga.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
She's great at yoga I don't know any names, but I
like to stretch and then we'll.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
We'll just let's get 10 people signed up and to that
one person who gave youconstructive criticism this week
about saying things that we'regoing to do and not doing them.
Yes, I would like to dedicatethis episode to that person, yes
, and that we might consideractually doing said retreat.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, I mean honestly , we would do that.
I would do like.
I think, instead of likeindividual coaching, I'd like to
do more.
We can facilitate like somegroup stuff, but that would be
really fun.
Yeah, it would be.
Anyone wants to come toNashville?
Hey, sign us up.
We're going to close that loop.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it was great seeing youall.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
It's good seeing you too Next week.
I'm going to talk about cicadasand how they can piss 10 feet.
Wait, should we talk?
Speaker 3 (54:13):
about it now.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
No, no, no that's called a tease.
Make sure you circle back.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Oh, I will special thanks to our producer, sarah
Reed, to find out more.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
go to catandnewosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Hey, cat, hey Moose, hey.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Sarah, hey, sarah, hi , hi, hi, fellows, we're doing
it again called us fellows.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Fellows, are you a fellow?
Uh, maybe a fella.
I feel more like a fella than afellow.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I feel a little bit more like a fellow because it
makes me feel academic it doesfeel academic yeah, I am a
fellow.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I once won a fellowship to go to new york
city, so I'm a fellow.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You are a fellow.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah.
Thank you, you're welcome.
So I was in class this week.
I um you guys, I am like amonth away.
You're so close.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh my gosh Like.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
April 24th, I think, is my last turn in date for my
thesis.
Is there a party we need tohave?
I think this is our party thethree of us maybe invite a
couple others.
The podcast is our party.
Well, yeah, we could celebrateon the like.
Yeah, who else would we invite?
Well, that's not really mypoint.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
My point is that I want you to be and feel really
celebrated for what a bigaccomplishment this is.
Oh, like this is huge, and Ijust want you to feel honored.
And if you feeling honored issitting in this room with the
two of us, the six of us,however many of us are in here,
Well, now that you say how manydo you think are in here.
Well, I'm counting the dogs One, two three, four, so there's
(01:37):
five.
I thought there might be ahidden cat somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Um, okay.
So, speaking of that, I had toturn in some sort of thing
called an absentee, somethingbasically saying I wasn't going
to walk at graduation.
Oh, okay, and I really thoughtabout it, cause I'm like, well,
this is a to your point, likethis is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
But I also am like I'm too efficient with my life.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I don't want to sit anywhere for two and a half
hours and listen to some damnspeech.
Are you kidding me?
And now the diploma goes toDaniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And now the diploma goes to Daniel Smith, and you're
like they're still on H and wehave to go to Z.
So, anyway, I was like, no, I'mnot doing that, but I thought
it could be fun.
You know all of the touriststhat come into Nashville.
We recognize them because theywear short jean skirts yes.
(02:32):
Cowboy boots yes.
They think we, as Nashvilleians, dress this way Because they've
seen some country music, Don'tyou?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I definitely do, not Only on Tuesday nights.
When I go to broadway, I wearsurvival gear, I wear things
that keep my body from fallingapart.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I do not wear cowboy boots and jean, can we come back
to that, because I want to talkabout comfortability when we
get old, but all that to say,just like they.
So then you have thebachelorettes that come in and
they've got like a full sash onyeah, um.
So I guess what I'm asking youguys is maybe our version of a
(03:14):
bachelorette party is agraduation party and we all wear
graduation gowns and caps andlike go karaoke and like wait,
why aren't you Wait?
Like yeah, wait, just so.
You know.
You called my ass out last weekand it got edited on something,
but you just said to me huh,huh, which means okay, I, what
(03:37):
does it mean?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
you tell me?
Well, no, please tell me whatit meant to me.
Huh means that's not happeningand I was still stuck on.
You wanted me.
What I heard was not that you,this is what I heard.
I'm just.
This is a great proof of likehow we do as human, or how I do
(03:58):
as a human.
What I heard was, instead of abachelorette party, all of us
are going to wear cowboy bootsand short shorts and we're going
to go downtown.
I didn't hear the graduationgown.
I didn't know the context.
I immediately was like I'm notgoing to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean I just, want to say the first thing that
comes up when you say jean shortor jean skirt.
When I hear you say it back tome is chafing between my legs
after a night of drinking.
Like you would really have towear some like tight shorts
under there, right?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, like okay.
When is the last time that thathas actually happened?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
to you.
That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Because, that is a trauma from a long time ago.
Yeah, or maybe not.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I have a great story.
Do you have a story aboutchafing?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Okay, true story I'm going to get.
I always say 12 years old onany trauma, so let's go with 12
years old.
I might've been older, Imight've been younger, but I
went to Kings Island in MasonOhio.
It's like the six flags of Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So fun Island in Mason, Ohio.
It's like the six flags of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I mean Cedar Point's cool too, right, but
Kings Island with some friendsand I must've been younger,
because we had a chaperone and Iwas in so much pain from the
chafing that happened with theshorts that I was wearing and I
wasn't like a chubby little girl, my legs were just chafing.
I was a cute kind of chubbylittle girl.
But so I asked the chaperone ifI could have the keys to the
(05:29):
car and this is the summer, youguys.
They gave me the keys and Iwent and sat in the car because
I was, I couldn't walk one morestep.
I couldn't walk one more step.
And I just remember likeleaning down, pulling my thigh
back and just seeing thisexposed blister and then it was
(05:50):
awful, and so that is my traumaaround.
So I'm not wearing that unlessI've got some good chafing
underpants yeah, good, I'm soglad.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So could we go back to what the celebration looks
like now that I can hear it withwith not my trauma ears?
I would like to hear it.
So you want the three of us toget together and wear graduation
gowns and caps?
Is that, is that, the visionfor the graduation party.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I mean, I'm totally I just noticed my, my body
language like closing up.
Let me think about what I wantto celebrate.
Okay, I would like to.
I would like for the three ofus to take some ridiculous
pictures related to megraduating, one that I can
actually put on my wall, withmaybe a couple other friends too
(06:42):
, and, just like a celebration,I can be in my cap and gown.
I want that as a memory so Ican look back in 20 years and be
like oh, look what.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I did.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And then it'll look like we just walked out of the
ceremony but nobody will know.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But why are we wearing the cap and gown?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That was more of the Broadway thing.
Well, I think we've moved pastthat.
Yeah, I, that was more of theBroadway thing.
Well, I think we've moved pastthat.
Yeah, I mean, if you guys wantto wear the cap and gown, I
don't know, it was an idea and Ithink I'm moving past it.
Okay, and then I would like togo to a really nice dinner at
like Kane Prime.
Okay, that sounds great, kat.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm sorry I cut you off.
Oh, that's okay, I'm fine Good.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh okay, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I learned about boundary setting last week and I
came in.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
We had a thing.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
This has.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I just cut you off too.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
This has nothing to do with what I wanted to share.
I haven't even.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I just looked up and I was like oh yeah, I well, what
do you want to share, Moose?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So very quickly.
So I in my readings in schoolfour weeks away from graduation.
That's how we got there.
Um I, there's this book that Ijust got called fierce
conversations, but, um, I justgot it and, and part of my
reading this week was, was achapter of that book, and I just
want to read this because, um,it's sort of inspired by this
(08:07):
roomie poem and you guys know Ilove roomie and here's what.
Here's what this littleparagraph says.
For many people, the answer tothe question what's the opposite
of talking is waiting to talk.
Many people think that notspeaking when someone is talking
is the same as listening.
Hearing people's words is onlythe beginning.
(08:29):
Do you also hear their fears,their intentions, their
aspirations?
In the words of the 13thcentury Sufi poet, Rumi, reach
your long hands out to anotherdoor, beyond where you go, on
the street, the street whereeveryone says how are you?
And no one says how aren't you?
And I, it struck me, how aren'tyou?
(08:53):
And so I thought it would befun, even though I just went
through 12 days of talking aboutgraduating to start the podcast
by saying how aren't you?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
How, how are?
You always feels so likesweeping right like yeah, do you
really give a shit?
Or yeah, yeah, are you askingme?
Let's begin with you, cat.
Okay, how aren't I?
Um, I am not feeling inemotional.
Wow, it's okay.
(09:26):
How am I?
I am not speaking English.
That is how I am.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I was hoping you were going to say I aren't, I aren't
.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
How I'm not feeling, how I aren't feeling.
That's for you, thank you.
Is I don't feel distressed?
Oh wow, I don't feel distressed, oh wow.
I don't feel under the gun.
I don't feel like I am beingpressured by anyone.
I don't feel like I'm beingpressured by a schedule or a job
(09:55):
or anything like that, and Ihave done my job today.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And we are doing the podcast right now, which, to me,
is part of my job, and I'vebeen a part of a body work
session today.
That, to me, is part of my job,and I've been a part of a body
work session today.
That's also a part of my job.
And like I don't feel like anyof that is out of balance, um,
and that is a really enjoyablefeeling to feel like I am not
out of balance.
I love that.
I'm loving it too.
(10:20):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I love that you knew immediately how you aren't,
Because that was hard for me.
How aren't you Sarah?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I aren't not.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Triple negatives.
How aren't I?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's a hard question, right, it is hard.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, I'm going to try.
Okay, I aren't.
I am not covered in anxietytoday, which is big, and part of
that is I've been able to do alot of creative things today, so
I think that brings me energyinstead of depleting my energy.
(11:18):
So I aren't full of anxietytoday.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Nice, nice.
I'm very happy for you.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Thank you.
Do you have any?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
arts.
Yeah, but it feels like lookingin the mirror and trying to
like do your hair where it'slike a backwards thing.
Yeah, I aren't, basically I'mnot sleepy today.
Oh, if that makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, I I feel rested andnice.
That's um not common for me, atleast in the last several weeks
(11:48):
yeah so, yeah, it's been niceI've.
I've also been on a break, butit's been.
I'm not like overwhelmed withneeding rest that's good.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Wow, I am also not.
I feel like lately I give lessshits about what people think
and that feels great.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I bought a card this week.
I went.
May I share my experience.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yes, please.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Okay, I will now allow you to speak.
Thank you, I last Friday, I um,I had some free time.
Okay, um, I had some free timeand I was in between an
appointment and an appointment Ithought might happen, and so I
stayed in the part of town whereI thought the appointment might
(12:35):
happen, sure, and I had aboutan hour and a half to myself and
I didn't know what to do withmyself, because I don't do a lot
of that.
I don't do a lot of like.
I don't do a lot of like.
I have an hour and a half to dowhatever the hell I want.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And I was over in Brentwood and there's a store
over in Brentwood called papersource.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh, yeah, and if you know me at all.
Yes, I love this store.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I love this store.
I love to wrap presents.
I love to be really intentionalin how I choose to wrap them.
I make a lot of well, actually,I don't make a lot of handmade
cards anymore.
I do for my mom.
I make my mom handmade cardsand sometimes that's cool.
Yeah, sometimes my sister, butthat's really cool.
I've never gotten a handmadecard.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
No, it's not it's.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
it's something that is pretty pretty reserved for my
mom.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I can't wait for my mom's one.
Well, graduation may be thatOkay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Back to me.
Enough about me, let's talkabout me.
So I have some more to share.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And so I was so I was over in Brentwood and paper
source and I spent probablyabout 45 to 50 minutes looking
at every greeting card, oh yeah,every little game, every little
diary of zen, whatever, everylittle like you know, cube, that
(13:55):
you can sit on your desk andflip to get encouraging messages
every day.
I mean I like I looked at allthat stuff and then when I kind
of realized my lunch thing thatI thought might happen, probably
wasn't going to happen, I wentto my favorite little restaurant
in brentwood it's called soybistro and I went and I ordered
(14:15):
myself the bieden bop, which ismy favorite thing in the world.
I love a Beed'n Bop.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Jesus, lord in heaven , did you just say Beed'n Bop
yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's Bib-im-bop.
I thought you just said Beed'nBop, beed'n Bop, oh, beed'n Bop
yeah that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's what I thought I heard too.
Um, anyway, and I orderedmyself that and I waited like 15
minutes for them to give it tome for me to take home, and
which I took it home and ate itand it was fine.
Um, I really enjoyed that space.
Yes, I don't ever do that formyself.
Why, I don't know.
(14:59):
And I thought to myself likethis I felt, I felt like God, I
felt like I saw the seven daysand it was good.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And I said it was good.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Like I felt, like I saw that moment for myself and I
was like this is good.
This was really good for me todo, and so, um, I think that
this means that we are on thebackside of midlife crisis.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I don't know.
I'm sitting here thinking whatwas that like to walk into a
store, right, I mean, honestly,when I have to meet in this okay
, this is not me beingagoraphobic, this is separate
from that but like when I gointo a store, I am like, wow,
people still like shop and walkin to look for clothes and like
(15:49):
you sounded like you weredescribing like an old school
Hallmark store, oh yeah, which Ilove.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's like beautifully curated.
Yeah, it's like Hallmark oncrack.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
On like bohemian crack.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yes, Because, like every the car, every single card
is fantastic.
Let me tell you about the onethat I saw and that was my whole
point was to tell you about theone that I got for you, so
don't let me forget that.
Oh, the one that I saw that Iwas in the store.
I literally went like I laughedout loud.
It said congratulations onbeing nine months sober.
(16:25):
And then, in tiny fontparentheses, it said oh, and the
baby.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Oh my gosh, that's good it was so funny.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The card that I bought you has this woman on
the-.
Well, let's be clear, that wasnot the card you bought for me,
that was not for you.
And I did not buy that card.
Okay, good, I didn't, but Ithought it was really funny.
Yeah, the card that I boughtyou has this lady on the front
of it that has this giantshopping bag and she goes hi,
this is my bag of how many fucksI don't give, and I totally
(16:55):
bought it for you, yeah, yeah, Imean, you know, I think that
does happen on a midlife, whereyou hit an age where you're like
what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'm like doing all these things that socially line
up, but they're not giving melife, and so you're just like I
really don't care anymore whatyou think.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's hard to get to.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I would love to completely get there, but at
some point I think peoplerespect you for doing what you
love and what you care about andwhat's meaningful to you.
Then they do like judging.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Well, they're still judgers they're still judgers
and I think that like at leastfor me at this age and this time
every time I get to just have alittle touch and go with that
feeling of like I'm doing what Iwant to do, I'm doing for me,
it feels exhilarating.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, I know what you mean, where you have space Like
I don't ever build in space, Ilike build in time to get
somewhere and then sit for 15minutes to like breathe and
chill or whatever.
What's that like?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
well, it's called over preparation and neuroticism
but we talked about that on theon the podcast a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I can't remember what it oh yeah I was asking, like I
was emphasizing that gettingthere early is being on time.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, we did talk about that, I remember.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So you had body work today, can you tell?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
us about that.
I mean, I am willing to talkabout it a little bit.
Okay, I have a lot to process.
It was a fantastic appointment,really really powerful, and I
did like parts work that Iwasn't really prepared to do.
(18:55):
Okay, and I don't necessarilyknow that we go into a
therapeutic situation.
Going hi, I'm Kat and I'm goingto do some parts work, Maybe we
do, I do.
In this instance, today I didnot, and I know that that
happens a lot in my body worksessions, but today I didn't.
I went in saying I feel reallybalanced today, like I was
almost like why am I here?
(19:15):
You know, I mean, I was veryglad to be there, but I didn't
have this like please help mefrom this horrible thing that I
need freedom from Like it wasn'tlike that today.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And um and it was, it was mind blowing.
It was mind blowing.
First of all, my practitioneris amazing.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Secondly, the modality that is the same one
that I've been studying, I think, is so powerful.
It's local distal acupressuremet with like Ericksonian
psychology theory.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Oh, yeah, the old Ericksonian yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It was just a fantastic session.
And then I came here and I waslike what is going on in my life
?
And I had a colleague call meon the way here and say how can
I help you do the thing so thatyou can go do your podcast?
And I was like what ishappening right now, like this
(20:06):
is awesome, and it just felt sogood.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Well, goodness, you've had quite the day.
Can we go into what parts youmight have talked to?
You don't have to tell useverything but like we love
parts work here and I'm justcurious if what you might have,
who you might've spoken to?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Okay, I'll say that Cause it's going to be an
ongoing thing and it's.
I think it's going to be arelatively lengthy and
relatively full of a lot oftears thing.
But I had a conversation withmy stomach.
Oh good, yeah, my stomach isalways upset.
My stomach is always tight.
My stomach is where I carry, Ithink, the thickest of my
(20:54):
armoring, if you will.
Um and I had a conversationwith my stomach today and I I
uncovered some reallyinteresting stuff and um and so
for you Um and so for you, thatis your.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Your body is holding that, whatever it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I feel like I can say like very confidently, like
when people go, where do youcarry your stress?
I'm like right here, yeah, likeright in my solar plexus, like
right at the bottom of thexiphoid process, and and your
perineum and my perineumum I donot care, don't leave.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I wish I carried my stress and my perineum?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
no, it would just fall out the bottom.
Well, no, then I would justhave sex all the time and make
it better right?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
wow, it could just have release release wow, yeah,
you're right, there's twoorifices for it to come out of
Orifices.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Orifices I like to only have sex through one of the
orifices, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Just to be clear.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, got it.
Thank you for that.
Thank you, very vulnerablemoment.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So your solar plexus is where you carry it all it is
yeah.
Yeah, I think mine is here too.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Really here too.
Really is this my solar plexus?
Yeah, yeah, it's in thatvicinity.
Yeah, where's yours, sarah, andmy neck?
Where where my neck meets myshoulders?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
what I almost said.
What karma is that?
What, um, what's it calledchakra?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
chakra is that um, throat, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think it.
I think it is the, the neck,the throat, and and and also,
like I've heard it said and I'mgoing to paraphrase this, but
I've heard it said that, likethe bridge between the head and
the heart is the neck, wow, andso the bridge between what
happens in our minds and whathappens in our bodies is it the
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bridge?
Is the neck, and no wonder it'sso tense.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, it makes so much sense, doesn't it make a ton of
sense.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And there's a ton of wonderful acupressure points or
acupuncture points, whateverlike pressure points that that
can be a part of helping theneck maybe release some of its
tension from you know, alwaysbeing that bridge, but I found
that to be so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Okay, think about that from us using our voice
perspective.
Whenever I'm talking to mytherapist about something that's
hard and it doesn't even haveto be something that is grief
related, but something that islike, say it's something I've
always wanted to do, but Ihaven't put the time or whatever
into it and you finally likespeak it and you're like you
(23:25):
know what I would like to do,I'd like to write a book or
whatever it is I always findthat my voice naturally clamps
up and my therapist always saysshe always says did you hear
your body showing you howimportant that is, or whatever?
And so the bridge thing is soimportant, because so many times
we're stuck in our head, orsome people they're stuck in
(23:49):
their heart, and what could itlook like to keep that free
flowing?
And is the voice a way to dothat?
I?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
mean the answer is I think the answer is yes, and I
think like moose like when youshare about stuff on the podcast
that is really vulnerable orreally meaningful to you or
something that has really movedyou, your voice always quivers.
Oh, yeah, it's beautiful, likeit's.
(24:19):
It's like when I know, like asyour friend.
Yeah, it's when I feel like Iknow, like, pay attention, this
is important.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Like it's really to me, it's very, very beautiful.
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a.
It's a good thing to notice.
Like okay, this seems important.
Yeah, you know, yeah, okay, soyou spoke to your stomach.
Did it tell you anything?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Oh, it told me all kinds of stuff.
It is mad as hell.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Oh, it is, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's mad at me.
It's mad at me for how hard Ihave asked it to work for so
many years.
Yeah, and what?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
kind of work do you mean?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
To carry all my stress.
Oh, I see, to carry the weightof the world as a 10 year old
carry the weight of the world.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
As a 10 year old, I mean, I was medevaced from
Germany when we lived in GermanyI know you've shared the story
and like I don't think untilyou've shared it that you
recognize the the weight of it,yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You were medevaced from Germany.
I was medevaced from Germanybecause of my quote, unquote
stomach issues.
And they did.
I had upper GIs, lower GI, Ihad every test you could give a
person and they could not findanything wrong with me.
And that is still my situationtoday.
I have this constant well, notconstant I have a chronic pain
(25:39):
in my chest that I've been toevery doctor that can deal with
something in the chest andthey're just like you got
nothing and it's like I know.
I feel like I know now thatthat is a stress from my stomach
like coming up into my chest,and I felt like at 10 years old
(25:59):
I was worried about nuclearwarfare.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I carried the stress of what I heard on the world
news and what I knew that my momand dad were both a part of
trying to keep us safe from bybeing, you know, civilians that
worked in a military situation,like I.
I I have carried my stress inmy stomach from a very, very
early age and I think, that mystomach is like damn it, we need
(26:25):
a break, Like we need you toback up and let us have a little
bit of a break.
So yeah, my stomach was pissed.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Let's take a deep breath.
What are you going to let go of?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
of oh, I don't know, I I am.
So even in my session today Iwas like I'm not ready to do
that, like I like, I think, justacknowledging that this area
has been holding this chronictension for so long.
If I just did that for a monthyeah, just acknowledge you that
(27:10):
you have carried this tension,then that that would be enough.
I want to do more than that.
I want to move faster than thatif I can, if it's, if it's
productive yeah um, but yeah itwas, it was really Gosh.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I think parts work is so fascinating.
I had a friend that was askingtons of questions about it,
trying to understand it, and Iwas like you need to read Dr
Schwartz's book.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Um so good, it's so good, but um, and that's the one
that's called, there are no badparts.
No bad parts.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, and there's like a 2017 interview that I
directed my friend to that Ijust wanted to mention.
If people don't want to readthe book which I get, it's
Alanis Morissette's.
I think it's called AConversation with Alanis
Morissette.
She even wrote the foreword onhis book book.
(28:08):
But I mean, you know, I feellike IFS work is very popular
now, but I mean, that was sevenyears ago and she was one of the
first people to really adopthis work.
But anyway, there is aninterview of her with Dr Dick
Schwartz talking about IFS work.
But the way I explained it andIwrote it down because I was like
I'm going to try to rememberthis this is what I wrote.
I believe we are meant to existwith all of our parts, make
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peace with them, making surethey see us as we are in the
present.
That's something my therapistdoes with me all the time is,
after we've talked to that part,you know she'll say do they see
you as you are now?
And do they?
No, no, they see me as a 17year old struggling with the
same thing and they are like youhave a house.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
What you have a dog, that's so cool.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You have a job, I mean, and so you kind of talk to
that part saying like whoa,like I totally hear you.
Can I tell you a couple ofthings, though?
And you just go like let metell you.
Did you know, like we gotthrough this and we got through
this, and usually they're stuck,and then I said so after you
see, if they see you in thepresent then ask when they took
(29:23):
on the job that they're doing.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's what my third.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I just wrote this down based on my own experience.
So when was it that you took onprotecting me as an example?
And if they?
And then you ask them do youlike your job?
Wow.
And if they don't, you tellthem is there anything else?
Or you ask them is thereanything else you'd like to do?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Like a different job.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Different job.
You can do another job ifyou're tired of doing this job
and that gives them the freedomof like, recognizing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
And do your parts like just come up with that shit
, like right away, yeah and onlybecause I think I have spent
time with my therapist likebuilding that safe space.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
So like my stomach could have a new job of being a
healing arts practitioner, yeah,it can do anything, but you got
to ask it what it wants to do,right, it doesn't know that it
shouldn't keep clenching, okay.
That's what I think Well,that's beautiful.
That's the whole book.
You don't even need to read thebook.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
This has been the cliff notes of that book, yeah,
okay.
So we've been talking abouttherapy and body work and a lot
of really deep stuff, and Iwould like to give our listeners
um, I don't think there aremany of them, but I think there
are a few of them who wouldreally.
No, there's a lot of listenerssorry, I didn't mean that like
(30:48):
that.
I don't think that there aremany of them who aren't willing
to go there with us and I wantto honor that there might be a
couple that they're like can youjust say something funny,
because you guys used to laughall the time and now you're just
talking about all your innerchild work.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I all that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I think that was your stomach speaking up?
It is my stomach speaking upand my stomach has been invited
to the conversation.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's here, come on.
And it's here and it's pissedand it's on the, it's in the
neck, it's in the throat.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, it's in the neck, it's in the throat.
Um so we got so many texts wedid emails, threats, phone calls
of everybody saying how threats, incredibly threats, huge
idiots we were.
That we all did not know thatin the bruce springsteen dancing
(31:38):
in the dark video, yeah, thatthe beautiful woman who kept
like like googly eyeing at himwas courtney cox, from friends,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
so we've got to address.
Yeah, we do have to address it.
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I had no idea.
First of all, I've never in mylife seen a full episode of
friends, really.
So it's fair for me to say, andyou can make fun of that oh no,
I mean I, I, I've only seen afew I've.
I was not a friend's personlike I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Did you like her and scream, though?
I loved her and scream I?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
don't.
I don't think I saw thatbecause I don't do scary movies,
but that was like a teenagescary movie like it wasn't like
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I saw it super gory, okay, if I remember right I need
to go watch it tonightapparently it was like the
dawson's creek of horror movies.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
That's awesome, but anyway, in bruce springsteen's
music video of dancing in thedark, it's basically him
performing on stage and justhaving this like connection with
this girl in the audience, andeverybody in the world who
listens to the podcast knew thatthat was Courtney Cox and we
(32:46):
did not, so this is my publicapology that I am not aware,
culturally aware.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Culturally aware?
Well, I wasn't either, and Ithink they should redo that
video Like do it real time.
Yeah, like Bruce now and hernow.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Oh, that'd be great.
He'd be pulling her up on stageand she'd have like a cane.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
She's not old dude, he's old I love following her on
social media oh, really is ahoot, really.
Yeah, like her best friend.
Yeah, they do all theseridiculous videos.
She's so funny, um, it's supersarcastic and makes fun of
herself.
And but the last time I heardabout bruce he got in trouble at
(33:33):
a national park for smokingweed on his motorcycle.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Come on I mean there might be one of my parts that
might be judgmental about that,but it is not alive today, okay,
good, really there was a partthat might be judgmental about
that, but it is not alive today.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Okay, good, really there was a part that would be
oh my, gosh, like my, my, likesuper Uber.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
conservative Christian part.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I've never seen your.
Okay, I have seen.
Yes, you have, I have seen that.
Yeah, but you're right, she'sbeen dead for a while.
We're not supposed to kill him,that's the key.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I mean I'm like courtney cox is dead, died wait
don't kill your cox is live in awhile.
Yeah, she's fine, bruce is justa little high we started a rumor
, and that's how we becamefamous yeah, seriously, um, so
yeah, thank you for circlingback about that you're welcome.
And while I'm on a roll ofculturally relevant things, I
don't know if you guys are awarethat the state of tennessee has
(34:29):
recently and I think maybe it'sthe state of tennessee or it
was just davidson county or justdowntown nashville they have
said officially that emotionalsupport animals are not allowed
in restaurants.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Really, I didn't know that yes.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Now if it's a service animal that is like, okay,
you're blind and you need yourgolden retriever to help you get
somewhere, that dog can go intothe restaurant.
But the bill says that the onlyanimals now allowed in public
places like restaurants are fishtanks and service animals.
(35:08):
Fish tanks.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
You know how like the Rainforest Cafe has like a
giant which that exploded duringCOVID.
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Oh, I remember it got flooded and there were like
piranhas going around the house.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Wait, wait, wait, wait wait During COVID, or was
it the flood?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Wait.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You said it got, it did.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
During COVID, one of their actual aquariums broke.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
During.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
COVID.
You said during COVID yeah, inlike 2020.
Look it up, it's there.
Look it up.
But during the floods ofNashville 2010,.
Yeah, in like 2020.
Look it up, it's there.
Look it up.
Look it up, girl.
But during the floods ofNashville 2010, there were these
fake videos of people likeholding sharks.
Right, right, come on, are youserious?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But there were people that were really concerned
about being eaten by piranhas.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
remember this?
Yes, it was like a masshysteria and it was like
photoshopped and people werelike.
This happened in West Mead myleg got eaten by a fish.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh my God, people are so like yeah, okay, so back.
What were we talking about?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Piranhas, I'm bringing up oh the animals, I'm
bringing up funny things to getus away from the whole like
therapy talk, I've got more.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh great.
Hit us Kat.
Hit us with the culturallyrelevant news.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Did you guys know that if it weren't for Lucille
Ball you know, she's one of myheroes and I'm curious if you
know this about her If itweren't for her, Star Trek
wouldn't exist?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Did not know that, did you not know wouldn't exist.
Did not know that?
Did you not know that?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I did not know that I didn't know that I read an
article which I.
The fact that I was on theinternet is an act of god and so
like, yay, I read really well,I mean, I use it for my email,
but like I don't go like look,oh, you don't like you're
creating space on the internetas well for yourself yeah, well,
I don't post on social medialike I don't, you know, like I
(37:08):
don't, and so, anyway, I wasreading this article that said
that desilu studios, which isher and desi's yeah, company
studio, whatever um, that startrek originated there and
whoever was like in charge allthe time that wasn't her, like
(37:29):
all the worker bees that weredoing all the work or whatever
they kept wanting to like.
They tried Star Trek and itjust didn't catch with the
audience.
They did like a pilot and likenobody cared and she fought for
it and fought for it and foughtfor it for like three years, wow
, and then finally all of a forit for like three years, Wow.
And then finally all of a sudden, it was like Trekkies were born
(37:49):
, Like people just really,really embraced.
Star Trek and I had no idea,and I'm not a Trekkie, I don't
know much about Star Trek, butlike I thought it was so cool
that not only was it LucilleBall but it was a woman Right
who kept Star Trek alive, like Ijust thought I thought you
(38:09):
especially would find thatreally interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I should probably know that I did a.
I wrote a documentary aboutLucille Ball's life in college
and won a national award for it.
What, yes, I did, and it wasone of my.
What was it called?
I don't know, I need to look itup.
It was Lucille.
And then there was likesomething after it, but I, I won
this award and she was thefirst woman to own a studio.
(38:34):
Oprah was the second, wow.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
She's incredible.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
She's incredible.
She is incredible and Iremember you being such a huge
fan and I can't help.
But I'm not trying to dominatehere, but you're just ticking
off like all of my notes.
Come on, it's.
It's so awesome that talkingabout like things that happened
at a certain time, like she wasthe first woman that had a
studio and then Oprah was thesecond woman, so the Wright
(39:02):
brothers, you know the Wrightbrothers they like invented
flight per se like they theyflew for the first time in 1903,
which is so weird.
It's so weird that that was likejust last well, two centuries
ago now.
Yeah, um, the first flight tookplace in 1903.
66 years later, we landed onthe moon.
(39:25):
What, wow?
What do you make of that if youbelieve?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
if you believe it, yeah, if you believe it.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
What do you make?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
yes, I'm remembering michael stipe.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, michael stipe, rem such a good man on the moon
man on the moon.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yes, I'm remembering Michael Stipe yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Michael Stipe REM such a good um yeah, wow, where
did you find these facts?
Did you like bump into like acard catalog on the way here?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I actually got out my microfiche you happen to have
one of those at home yeah,you're like.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You know what some people like the internet.
I like microfiche, yeah.
So so we landed on the moon.
And now, okay, so we have thewright brothers planes land on
the moon and then in 2024, youcan no longer take a safe flight
because doors fall off.
Fly off the planes right, rightso don't fly on a plane, just
(40:29):
go to space.
Yeah, just go to space, guys.
Yeah, yeah, I have.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I have never been to the moon, that's all.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wait, can we acknowledge her face after she
said it?
Yes, I have never been to themoon.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
She's like so proud of herself.
Yeah it's like I'm curious,what is that?
Speaker 3 (40:49):
I don't know.
It doesn't make sense and Ifeel like I'm going to get a lot
of questions about it and Ineed to come up with an answer
for it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
What?
Where did you?
Speaker 3 (40:59):
first see the shirt to buy it Instagram.
Uh, always, I want to say itwas something like useless or
pointless t-shirtscom orsomething oh my gosh, gosh.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
That is like the perfect website for you, yeah I
mean, that's, that's reallyawesome, and so how?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
what took you from seeing it to purchasing?
I?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I needed it it was.
It was like a.
This might not even be a realwebsite, but I need it you're
willing to take a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's that, it's timu, and you'll get it in three
years.
It was not Timu.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Did you get it?
I did, I just got it.
I wore it yesterday and it fitsgreat.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I think your answer when people say what is your
shirt and you just say it's justtrue, I've never been to the
moon, I mean right, and thenthey can feel what they want
about me.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
What do you think they might feel want about me?
I don't, I don't know, butthey're coming at me already
with some judgment, don't you?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
think they're coming at you.
What is your?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
shirt.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
They're coming at you with like machine if they're
willing to talk to me about thatand ask well, what does that
mean?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, no, they're just saying what does your shirt
mean?
If they say it in that tone, Idon't think they're coming.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's true.
I've never been to one, haveyou.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I think, in a different lifetime, that I have
you do I?
Do I'm, I'm super believing inlike multiple lives, quantum
physics and multiple lives andlives in different timelines and
stuff like that, and like Ilove Jesus.
So like, don't get me wrong,like I I've not.
That was for you Christiansthat are going to freak.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
It was just a side note, that was actually for me.
Like that was actually for me.
You talking to a part.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I love.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Jesus, yeah, it was.
No, was actually for me youtalking to a part I love?
Jesus, yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
no, I hear you, though it's like you can love
jesus and believe these thingsright, and I think that is is
very true and I think that, likethe moon is somewhere, I've
been.
I just think I've been.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
I think that's so cool I think that I lived during
the dinosaurs.
Really I just really want to,so that just came to me.
But, like, why is thatsomething that would be?
I've always been fascinatedwith dinosaurs.
Maybe I was a paleontologist orsomething, but I just think
they're the coolest things andhow weird that massive monsters
(43:32):
ruled the earth.
I mean it's just wild.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
If you were a dinosaur, do you know which type
of dinosaur you?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
would be Not a T-Rex.
I couldn't do it, the short armthing.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Brontosaurus is always my favorite, but they're
not legit anymore.
Is it like Pluto?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Oh, they've, like they've been exiled from the
dinosaur community.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Really They've delegitimized it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Wait is Brontosaurus, the like, the long neck, the
long neck, yeah, the long neck.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Why did you like?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
that one.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
They were gentle.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, and vegetarians .
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, yeah, they love vegetarians.
I was 100% a pterodactyl.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Oh yeah, I flew and you would scare the shit out of
people like flying in andswooping.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Swooping.
I mean, that wasn't my MO wasto scare people I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I think you would enjoy that.
It's just what you do.
What do you guys think I wouldbe?
Oh, I like the Triceratops.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I always like the.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Triceratops too.
Is that the one with the fan?
Speaker 2 (44:33):
around its head.
Yeah, yeah, I like that one alot.
I think that's what I want tobe.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
They have little stubby legs, though what about
the Megalodon?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Oh, the shark.
Well, it's like a whaleDinosaur shark.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
It's like a whale and a shark and a dinosaur.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
That's like a whole other universe in the water.
My nephews both are, oh reallyis it from?
Speaker 1 (44:56):
transformers maybe I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I think there's a movie called megalodon too.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm sure there is I had a conversation with a friend
this week about watching truecrime yeah, stuff, and it made
me think of you I know you do,and and I I don't understand the
fascination with it.
And then I had a conversationwith another friend.
Well, aren't?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
you rubbing it in wow , do you have any feelings about
that?
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I'm joking, it's just jokes, okay, but you have any
feelings about that?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm joking, it's just jokes.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Okay, but you have more friends.
I have like three, and I do too.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I have three friends, and one of the three came to
town and we had a lovelyconversation and she was saying
that, being in the professionthat she is in, she works as a
first responder.
That she is in, she works as afirst responder.
(46:00):
okay, and she was saying, beingin the profession that she's in,
when she is dealing with thosehigh intensity, really big, like
dramatic moments, is the onlytime that it quiets her mind is
the chaos I get that because I'mfocused on this person this
thing in my the all that's goingon in my mind all the time it
(46:25):
like it has to be quiet in orderfor me to do my job and I love
getting to do that because, yeah, it helps quiet that part of my
mind and I thought that was itis fascinating and so it makes
me go oh, those of you who lovetrue crime or like horror films
or whatever it is it's like, oh,like it kind of made a little
more sense to me.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
I just like to know what's going to happen to me,
and so I feel like the more Iwatch Like when someone murders
you.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, like all the scenarios, it's like the guy
under the like.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
When someone murders you.
Yeah, like all the scenariosunder the car with the razor
blade cutting my Achilles, lord.
So for me I'm like I know it'scoming, so I need to be as
prepared it.
It's like going getting yourmaster's degree.
It's like you're gonna bemurdered or attacked.
So become as informed as youpossibly can yeah, yeah, that
(47:17):
makes sense, yeah, and.
I do appreciate what she saidand I'm curious for you guys
what calms, what does that foryou?
What?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
what snaps you into like a place where you're like
oh mine is uh, there is one songon Spotifyify specifically I
wouldn't even call it a song,more of a track um, and it's
just white noise, and I put myheadphones on with the um, my,
what are they called?
The airpod max, airpod max promaxes, maxi pads, the maxi pads,
(47:52):
two maxi pads, one on each slap, one on each ear.
Turn.
Turn it on transparent mode, no, no, no, no.
Turn it on isolation mode.
Is that right?
I mean, they all sound lovely.
Oh yeah, where it just turnsoff the outside world and I'm
just listening to my white noise, it like tricks my brain into
sleeping.
Oh my gosh, oh, I love that.
(48:13):
That's your safe spot sleeping.
Oh my gosh, I love that that'syour safe spot it, it's like,
it's like instant for me.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I can be asleep in five minutes.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
That's good.
Love that.
What's your?
Speaker 1 (48:23):
safe, happy, everything's clicking probably
being on the table yeah, on orrubbing the table maybe just
explain what that means topeople who don't know what that
could mean.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh yeah, Tell us about how you like to climb up
on that table she just likesgetting on tables I like getting
on tables and it makes me feelat peace.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, that's so awful .
That's not at all what I mean.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
Any kind of table I know like I'm.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
What I'm referring to is a table for body work.
Referring to is a a table forbody work, like I um, I have
been taught by the community ofpeople that I have been learning
and studying with that being ona table is a really safe place
for me, yeah, and so I really I,I am able to kind of let go
(49:12):
there yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
So that can you do that when you are also working
with somebody.
When you do that when you arealso working with somebody, when
you're standing next to thetable working with somebody who
is on the table yes, that alsofeels that it feels it.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
It feels it's a little more weighty.
Yeah because I'm the one incharge of course, like I'm the
one who, who the client ispaying to do a thing?
Yeah, and I also feel reallysafe there because my goal is to
create a, a a real environmentof safety for that person Right
(49:46):
Right.
And if it's safe for them, italso is safe for me, and that
maybe that isn't always true,but for me that has been true so
far.
And so, yeah, yeah, it's likebeing at the side of the table
or being on the table.
It's like I'm like, yeah,that's a, yeah, safe place what
about you moose?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
uh, I think for me, um, I'm probably being in my
therapist's presence, like I'veprobably been in my therapist's
presence, like I, just we, likeyou were asking can you just
like flow into that or whatever,and it's like, yeah, I'll
literally come in and go.
Here's a quick update of fiveminutes.
(50:26):
Here's what I, who I feel likeI need to talk to this week.
We, at this point, there's afew off weeks where, um, I just
need to talk through a problemor something, but it generally
is this is the part that'sraising its hand.
Huh, that's so cool.
So, yeah, I feel I feel safeand content in that space.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Love that.
That's awesome, yeah, yeah, Ithink we should just keep asking
each other where we feel safe.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Okay, how about you, sarah?
Can you play that video, sarah,cause this kind of plays into
this and I would love to getyour guys' feedback.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
The most interesting types of people to work with as
a somatic based trauma therapistis people who intellectualize
their feelings, and the reasonis because, similar to those who
are referred to as having highfunctioning anxiety or
depression, these folks oftenfall through the cracks, and the
reason is because they can tellyou where certain behaviors
(51:29):
originated from, where theirthought patterns come from, what
they should do in order tochange some of these pieces.
But they still feel the sameand typically the root is that
they're not connected to theirbodies.
So they think about it, theyanalyze their feelings, but they
don't actually feel theirfeelings.
(51:50):
They don't feel safe enough intheir body too, so on the
surface, someone might assumeokay, you're done therapy,
there's no more work to do.
Pack it up.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Can you guys relate to that?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
I can definitely.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I.
I watched that and I was like,oh my God, I'm that person she's
talking about.
Yeah, because and I even seethe smile on my therapist's face
sometimes when I'll be like Imean, I know where it's from,
it's from this, and here's thethought pattern.
And everything she justdescribed and and then my
therapist will say can we justbreathe and process what you
(52:29):
just said?
Huh, which is kind of what Idid to you earlier, where I was
like that was a lot, yeah, likelet's feel that, yeah, but I
don't ever feel safe in my ownbody.
That's one thing I'm working onis like embodiment to really
love that.
I probably should come see yousoon.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I mean, I would love it.
I would love it and I need someserious coaching.
So I just I mean.
I think all of our listenersare like screaming at their
windshields right now going whydon't?
You guys do this like you talkabout it all the time.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Look, if you listeners want to join us, we
will start by doing a littleretreat where we're going to uh,
cat's gonna do some bodytherapy, body work therapy, and
I'm gonna do some coachingtherapy none of these are words
that we actually use and sarah'sgonna teach us all how to um,
(53:20):
roll around on the floor and doyoga.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
She's great at yoga I don't know any names, but I
like to stretch and then we'll.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
We'll just let's get 10 people signed up and to that
one person who gave youconstructive criticism this week
about saying things that we'regoing to do and not doing them.
Yes, I would like to dedicatethis episode to that person, yes
, and that we might consideractually doing said retreat.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, I mean honestly , we would do that.
I would do like.
I think, instead of likeindividual coaching, I'd like to
do more.
We can facilitate like somegroup stuff, but that would be
really fun.
Yeah, it would be.
Anyone wants to come toNashville?
Hey, sign us up.
We're going to close that loop.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it was great seeing youall.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
It's good seeing you too Next week.
I'm going to talk about cicadasand how they can piss 10 feet.
Wait, should we talk?
Speaker 3 (54:13):
about it now.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
No, no, no that's called a tease.
Make sure you circle back.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Oh, I will special thanks to our producer, sarah
Reed, to find out more.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
go to catandnewosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a BPproduction.
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