December 22, 2023 • 47 mins
Ever found yourself laughing over a lipstick disaster or nursing the bruises from a trip to the blood clinic? Our latest episode is a cocktail of such relatable misadventures and the personal quirks that make us all wonderfully human. From spitting on trees to spirit animals, we traverse the spectrum of self-discovery, diving into the heartwarming to the hilariously absurd. Join us as we swap stories on the oddities of daily life, the richness of personal traditions, and the ways we find connection and meaning in the most unexpected places.
As the year draws to a close, we gather around the warmth of shared experiences and the insights of the Enneagram. Our conversation turns introspective as we navigate the profound influences of personality types on our relationships and self-perception. From nurturing Type Twos, to security-seeking Type Sixes, to the assertive Type Eights, we peel back the layers of our own psyches. Discover how these revelations have transformed our lives, and might offer you a fresh lens through which to view your own journey.
We cap off our chat with a blend of philosophy, pop culture, and a pinch of self-deprecation. Who knew that spitting at the base of a tree or the musings of Jean-Paul Sartre could provoke such deep reflection? We ponder the expectations society places on us—from hairdos to holiday cheer—and wrap things up with a heartfelt nod to the kindness that knits our community together. Thanks to each of you for tuning in, and to our incredible producer, Sara, for making this whimsical ride possible. Here's to embracing all that makes us uniquely human, one quirky step at a time!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I put my makeup on today, yeah you did, I took a
shower.
I took a shower, I put mymakeup on.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm so proud of you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And then I walked, belle, belle, and it was really
windy outside and the wind blewin my eyes and blew on mascara
all in my eyes and made all mymakeup go down my face and like
Alice Cooper, and so now it'slike I look like I've been in a
domestic dispute.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That's how I felt this morning.
We went to get a phlebotomy andphlebotomized.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Wait, what Did you get?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
your phlebotomy that's what I thought she said
too is phlebotomy I got blooddrawn and when I showed them my
arms for them to evaluate theveins, I just saw an array of
bruises.
And I was like my goodness,Sarah, From your heroin problem.
Just not knocks and bonks.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They were like are you safe at home?
And she's like no, I'm actuallynot safe, I have too many
animals to be safe at home.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I am far too clumsy to be safe at home.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I actually run a zoo from the inside of my home.
That is true.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh, my God.
Okay, are you guys ready tostart?
I could tell that I'm going tobe a bit giggly just because I'm
losing my mind.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
In life Paw dooser, Sarah oh.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No, I don't know how to spell Paw dooser.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I was like well, it is a podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'm the paw dooser, paw dooser, sarah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey paw dooser, what's up, paw?
I think paw is what the Chinesewould call the season of metal,
the metal season.
The fall, I think, Is paw Isthat good, I mean it just is.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
What it is.
It just is what if we gave ourlisteners just a completely
unedited podcast today?
We just were like this is it?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We have done that before and I don't think they
liked it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We've done that before and we got actually some
pretty negative feedback.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, they were like don't ever do that again.
You guys are really lazy.
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You guys are lazy.
I hate the word lazy.
Do you guys hate the word lazy?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I do too.
I do too, and I do notappreciate being called that
word because I am not a lazyperson.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You're not.
Who called you that?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I just did.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh Well, that wasn't nice.
Sorry, hey Kat, hey Moose.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Hi guys, merry Christmas everybody.
Happy holidays, merry.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Christmas and happy holidays Merry Katmas and Merry
Serimus, and Merry Christmastand Merry Moosmas, happy
Hanukkah and to all of the otherholidays that we celebrate
Indeed.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So you guys know that we're having a slumber party
tomorrow night at my house.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We are, I do know.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I just want you to know that I remade all of the
beds in my house this week Great.
And the two beds one in eachguest bedroom that normally just
have like white kind of verygeneric sheets on them, both
have Christmas sheets on them,and the one in the big guest
(03:34):
bedroom has little blue and graysnowflakes.
It's real pretty.
And the bed in the other guestbedroom has got a bunch of Moose
and Christmas trees on it.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You're trying to woo me into that room, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm trying to woo you into that bed.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You couldn't find any producer Sarah's sheets.
I couldn't it was really tough.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh my God, just little microphones all over them
.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, I thought maybe you could be represented by the
Christmas tree this year, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I accept.
I love trees.
Yes, exactly, I love Christmastrees too.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
There you go.
It says, if it was planned.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, speaking of that, guys, we got an email
about the wassel.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Hey, I would like some cheering for an email, A
wassel wassel email.
You can email us too at helloat catmoosepodcastcom.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, so the subject of this is wassel, baby, wassel,
baby, wassel, baby wassel, oh Ilike it already.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I love our listeners so much.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I know I did too.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You're as weird as we are Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And so, megan, thanks for writing in.
Hey Megan, hey Megan.
Megan says hi guys.
So my family always makeswassel at Christmas time.
However, I never knew themeaning behind it.
So thanks for being the wasseleducation podcast.
She knows us, she does myPentecostal great aunt Shirley.
(05:05):
I mean, who doesn't have agreat aunt Shirley?
Shirley, we do.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Wait, a Pentecostal.
I mean, yeah, I can't even sayit.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Okay, so great.
Aunt Shirley made it one yearwhen I was a little kid and
we've been having it since.
As a kid I hated it, but as anadult we add a few extra
ingredients, wink, wink to takethe edge off the holidays.
I like it now.
I really like it now.
Oh, I also want to add that theversion we make is probably not
traditional.
It's more like the redneckversion.
(05:34):
We put red hot candies in ours.
Oh, cat, it sounds like yourneck of the woods.
Yeah, totally Mary.
Whatever means the most to you,megan, thanks, megan.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I love that.
Instead of Merry Christmas,mary, whatever means the most to
you, cheers to that.
It's beautiful, I love it.
Everyone raise your drinks,please, and very quickly go
around and say what you'redrinking, cat you first I am
drinking La Crema, russian River, chardonnay.
Okay, lagunitas Daytime.
It's a crisp session IPA.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Unsweetened iced tea Nice.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Great work everyone.
Good work everybody.
Cheers to you Megan, cheersMegan, cheers Megan.
We are raising our wassal toyou.
It's not what you think itmeans.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Miss, I have to tell you we talked I think it was on
our last episode or maybe theepisode before that about our
favorite Christmas songs.
Yes, and one of yours if notyour top favorite was Slay Ride.
Oh yes, oh yes,da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Ever since we recorded thatpodcast, I have found myself
(06:46):
walking around the housewhistling like this
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, Ilove that, like octave,
da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and Ican't ever hit it.
And it just has stayed in myhead.
It's like I'll find myself likeloading the dishwasher and I'm
(07:06):
like whistling that was great.
It's very joyful it is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's lovely, that is so cute.
The best part of that isanytime that you yell loud or
you whistle like that.
We actually can't hear anythingyou're doing, oh good.
So Sarah and I just laugh anddance along, but it's not making
fun of you, it's just we knowwhen we hear it back that we're
(07:32):
going to really have jammed toit.
Oh yeah, the good news is weall have imaginations and I knew
exactly what tune you weresinging.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Indeed.
Oh good, I'm so glad you haveimaginations.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Imagination.
Okay, so I have this book.
It's called by Sarah Jane Case.
It's an Enneagram book and it'scalled the honest Enneagram,
and some people may know SarahJane Case.
She goes by her name onInstagram now, but she used to
go by Enneagram and coffee.
Did you ever see like some ofher posts?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It kind of reminds me a littlebit of like Sanctuary World, the
horoscope Instagram thing,where it's like they'll have
like a little pie and they'll belike if you're a Scorpio, then
80% of you is this and 20% ofyou is this.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Oh really, I always liked that about?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
yeah, and I always liked that about Sarah Jane.
Is that her?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
name yeah, Sarah Jane .
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I always liked that about her posts is I'm like
oh, I can read a little bitabout each number and it was
like in a digestible format.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's so cool.
She I had the honor of being anEnneagram training with her in
Nashville in one of my classesand she how do I say?
She led with Enneagram sevenand I remember her talking about
the dark sides of being a sevenand it was just really
interesting because you'd neverhear that.
But what I wanted to say.
(08:54):
So this book it's called thehonest Enneagram highly
recommend it.
I have been going through itrecently and I we're not going
to go deep, don't worry, we'regoing to stay really, really
shallow, just like we like it.
Oh, thank goodness.
Yeah, but I want to ask each ofyou if you resonate with
something.
And then I have something veryirreverent to do with the
(09:15):
Enneagram.
Okay, you are a type two.
You lead with two, often calledthe giver, the lover, the
helper, the hidden warrior.
I never knew that that feelsright in line I would agree with
that, and this is the symbol,it's you holding a lotus, your
hands holding a lotus.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Very cool, very beautiful, that's a cool tattoo.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's very sweet.
I should buy some of these andwe should just give them away to
listeners, or we should buythem with all of our money.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The quote is I often believe that I am as worthy as I
am lovable, that my worth isrelated to how wanted I am.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So is the question?
Does that resonate with me, orwhat is the question?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, did your soul write that yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Actually, I think that that is not true.
My current day ego layeredversion of my soul does not
resonate with that.
I think that would you read itone more time, from beginning to
end.
Yeah, of course, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I often believe that I am as worthy as I am lovable,
that my worth is related to howwanted I am.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, that does actually resonate.
I think that I was hearing itfrom a different perspective the
first time around.
I think that a lot of times Idon't feel worthy because I
don't feel lovable.
I think that that is actuallytrue.
I think in my healthiest stateof being I would be like I am
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lovable and I am worthy and allof that.
I'm not in a super healthystate of mind then I don't
believe I'm lovable or worthy,but that would still make the
statement true you think you areas lovable as you are worthy,
or you are as worthy as you arelovable?
Yeah, I think that that isactually a fairly accurate
(11:16):
statement.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I read these and I think the important thing
to always note with any gramtype is there's no negatives
here.
No type is better than oneanother.
But also, when you find yourany gram type, you feel you're
most vulnerable because you'relike ugh, it's like someone
found that little red flag thatis always freaking out when
(11:41):
something goes wrong.
Whatever it's like, you haveattachment issues, whatever it
is.
We all have different kinds ofways we've survived, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I remember feeling like when I figured that, when I
found my any gram number,feeling like somebody crawled
into my brain and saw through mylens of life.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, which is pretty cool because, if you think
about it, if people study ane-gram, they can go.
Oh, before I call Kat and needto have this conversation, let
me think about how it might feelthe way I'm going to present it
.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it helps us get in other people's brains.
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
All right, sarah, you are loyal, a skeptic, a
guardian and a trustedintegrator.
What's my any gram number?
You're a type six, and here'syour sentence.
I want you to say, if youresonate with, I know that I
will be okay as long as I knowwhat is expected of me, and make
(12:39):
a point to follow through withthose expectations.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I've never heard it worded this way and I think she
has worded it the best I've everheard.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
That's great.
Yeah, that's really, that'sreally astute.
I like that.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, you agree with that?
I do.
Yeah, I, I mean, that is mybiggest.
I Don't want to say form ofanxiety, but maybe, like trigger
for anxiety is when I,especially in a work situation
or something like that, when Idon't, or in a any type of
relationship, when I don't knowwhat's expected of me.
(13:15):
Now, relationships areinteresting because I don't
think we should haveexpectations, and yet that's a
topic because maybe that weshould have expectations of each
other.
You know, yeah, that's a wholedifferent thing.
But especially in a workenvironment or in that kind of
situation, I am like, if I don'tknow what's expected of me, I
will.
I will climb every tower andtry to Accomplish it all,
(13:38):
because I don't know where themark is.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Hmm, We've talked about this before that a common
thing that we recognized in ourown workings together was that
any gram sixes have often said Ididn't, but I didn't know.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, that refers to thatwanting to know the expectation
and have the knowledge in orderto show up and do it All right
and quickly.
Mine leader, challenger,protector, defender of justice
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type eight I feel like I soundlike a superhero.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes, you are a superhero.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah.
And then this one.
I think it's hard to read yourown, because I'm like is that
really me?
But I know that I will be okayas long as I remain strong and
powerful, mmm.
And and it's interestingbecause when I hear that outside
of myself, when my ego hearsthat, like you said, cat, my ego
says I'm not trying to bestrong and powerful, which is
(14:30):
true.
But Even more I would take theopposite of that and say it's
more important for me to notever be weak, mm-hmm.
And that's not for the sake ofbeing weak, it's for the sake of
that's.
When all the shit falls apart,you know what I mean.
Like I can't be ever be weakbecause I'll be vulnerable, like
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that's what it comes up to.
All right.
So if you've never listened tothe podcast, now you know who we
are.
You have four minutes ofgoodness there and I'm welcome
to the enneagram.
We're not an enneagram podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
No, we're not.
We don't do this every week.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What do we do?
So I want to see Moose.
If something resonant, well,you then.
You were gonna do an irreverentenneagram thing.
Should we go there?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, I thought we could, just we could do
something really funny, okay.
So I saw a sign.
I Don't understand me.
I saw the sign and it's been upmy eyes.
(15:37):
I saw the sign.
All right, I love.
We're a karaoke podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
All that she wants is another baby.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I'm gone tomorrow, all right, so I need you both to
yell out Whatever your answeris for this.
If it and there's nine of themI Saw a sign for me and my house
we serve, we will serve theLord.
We've seen that before.
It's a, it's a Bible verse.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
I would like for us to writeone, and in honor of Sarah Jane,
(16:14):
for each grini Any.
I said grini a gam Grini a jamgrini, a gam type.
I'm a weed.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't understand this sign.
You're not in the.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Bible no, there's no Bible verses just for me in my
house.
We will serve and instead ofthe Lord we're gonna fill in
something and I recognize thisfeels a little sacrilegious, not
trying to do that.
It's funny, any gram funny.
So ready, here we go.
Any gram nine for me at myhouse, we will serve passive
aggressiveness the bed.
Oh, I said the bed I'm sorry,they love to sleep.
(16:50):
Okay, here we go.
Any gram eight, sarah, you'reallowed to yell it out too, okay
for me in my house we willserve Volume, what I would say
we will serve people.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Because look for the helpers right.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Whenever Sarah gets mad at me and I'm trying to help
her like she gets irritated, Iwould say remember what mr
Rogers said look for the helpers.
Here I am, I'm so, I'm a creepy.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Very passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
any gram seven the enthusiast for me in my house we
will serve Party entertainment.
Yes, intergrate of six for mein my house we will serve Safety
, worry, concern For me in myhouse, any gram five we will
serve truth information, thelibrary.
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Any gram four for me in myhouse we will serve me.
Sarah, you got anything myfeelings, oh that's good.
Yeah, any gram three, oh man,we kind of use this one up for
me in my house.
(18:07):
We will serve the best me,whatever me.
You want Any a gram two for mein my house, we will serve you
again and again as long as I canover, and I really hope.
You see that I've served you.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Since I am a two, I feel like I get to interact with
a little bit.
Um, I was having breakfast witha client this week and he said
to me he said, cat, he goes.
You're the type of person who,in order to do your job well,
would show up to a meeting atthe record label With a severed
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left arm that was bleeding outand not know that your arm was
bleeding, yeah, so that youcould like be there to do your
job.
You know, and I was like wow,like that's kind of true.
It's like I kind of lose myselfIn order to like serve the
person or serve the situation.
But I also Thought about this alittle bit more, like after we
(19:08):
had that conversation, and I waslike I think I've gotten better
than that.
Yeah, I think that I think thatI would at least go in and go
like I had my arms sought offand I have at least a soppy, wet
Bandage on it and it's hurtingreally badly.
So if I don't do everythingright in this meeting, please
(19:30):
give me some grace.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So you would go to the hospital, yeah, you'd still
go to the meeting.
I love you point taken, I'mlike you're right, you have
gotten better.
And as you're talking, I'm likethat's not quite better.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You're still gonna die by the end of the meeting.
Yeah, yeah, definitely growtheverybody.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is what years of therapy can do for you A little
tight steps, guys.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's all you need One degree of change at a time.
He'll turn the whole shitaround.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
God, okay, any of gram one for me in my house.
We will serve the rules.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Organization yes, anything, sarah.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay, great, good check it.
Good job checking.
All right guys, that's all I'vegot not all, but I mean for
that part.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
That means a lot we're gonna go weak.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Merry Christmas Cat.
Um, I I'm not sure that.
Uh, uh, you remember, but weare Jeopardy podcast.
I forgot what I was gonna saythere for a minute.
Um, so I would love to see youchoose.
I'm not sure if I'm healing ordying for 500.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Or or is that my only option?
I would like to choose thecategory Alex, healing or dying
for 500.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Great, that's a new transition.
Bobby, what did you think aboutthat?
Give us a score.
Good job, she's our coach.
Just kidding, we don't have acoach.
So I've cried more in the pastcouple weeks than I have cried
and, uh, in a while.
It's so that, don't worry, it'smainly medication related.
I'm doing all right sort of Um.
(21:17):
And did you guys happen to seethe video on instagram or tiktok
or wherever you watch yourstuff, about these, um, gray
wolves being re-released intocolorado?
No, oh, I just like bald myeyes out.
I won't even show you the video.
But, um, the whole point isLike these hipster wolves from
(21:39):
Oregon they're trying torepopulate.
They're not really hipster, Iwas joking.
They're trying to repopulatecolorado and they brought, I
think, five of them to release.
But the music behind it, and itwas like just this week that it
happened, I guess, and I shouldjust play it.
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But the whole point is thesewolves like, when they open
these crates, you to watch them,like look around in the
wilderness and realize, you know, they've probably like Been in
the car for a day or somethingto look around and be like this
is my new life.
It was like so beautiful,really, it really was.
And so then I go.
(22:21):
I'm like, why am I so moved bythis?
Besides, you know that I'm justcrying a lot and I realized,
like you resonate with the tiger, I think I resonate with a wolf
, oh Nice.
So I went down this deep holeand I won't take you there with
me, don't worry.
Um, but I did find out thatthis phrase I took, I read, and
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it said wolves are extremelyintuitive and have an almost
supernatural instinct that candetect dangerous situations, and
I felt like somebody wrote abio for me.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And that one sentence .
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I think my spirit animal might be a wolf.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh, I think that's beautiful.
You know it would be fun is tolook at our spirit animal oracle
cards in our animal wisdom bookand see what it says about
wolves as well and see if thatresonates.
That's really really beautiful.
Moose, if you were to considerwhere or if your spirit animal
lives in your body somewhere, doyou have a sense of where that
(23:29):
wolf energy lives in your body?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know, at first I was thinking my gut, but when I
really think about it, it's likein my chest.
That's where, like, I picture awolf head coming out of my
chest.
How about that?
Their eyes, though, are like,so stunning and, of course, I
love dogs, so I guess that makesa lot of sense but also like
(23:55):
and then, oh, let me show youwhat I found.
I almost left the best part out.
Look at this that showed up.
I was like I freaking lovewolves, and then there's this.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's just another wolf's leg, or is that like an
antelope's leg?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's like a deer leg.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That's the leg of a deer.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's a wolf carrying a caribou.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
We just have to read her.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Hind quarter.
But at first I thought the wolfhad five legs.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It does kind of look like it.
Yeah, he looks like he's gotanother appendage.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean he just took that leg off and was like I'm
going for it, but yeah, anyway,that was a little shocking.
But then I thought, OK, I'mtrying to learn from everything.
Is this what people feel likewhen they encounter an enneagram
eight?
Sometimes their leg was takenoff.
That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
When you go back, when you go back to that page.
Actually, I'd like to pointsomething out.
Yes, this is consistent withhow sometimes I feel
encountering, not encountering,having dealt with an enneagram
eight, and I love you, I love myeight people and you've got to
be a strong mofo to to spar withan eight.
(25:07):
Yeah, I just I just want to saythat, like as we are developing
our identities and our growthas humans and stuff like that,
miss, it might need to turn intothe cat and wolf.
Oh, you're right Across Eurasia.
Wolves prey mostly on moose.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Oh shit, whoa, I didn't even see that, mm.
Hmm, for real, with a pack of15 able to bring down an adult
moose, jeez guys.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, and then in North America important range
wide prey are elk, moose,caribou and deer.
So I mean it's like this iskind of an interesting like
spirit animal battle type thingthat could potentially be going
on is but it does take 15 tobring down the moose.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's a lot of wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I also think we need to change the podcast name to
healing or dying for 500.
Okay, I wait, I'm not done,because I moose would have to
die and order for the wolf tocome on board.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, healing or dying for 500.
I think that's a great podcasttitle.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think it's a great podcast title.
We are changing our name, can Ishare?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
something about wolves, please.
When you were talking aboutthat it reminded me of I think
it's in the prologue, or like atthe beginning, of this book
that I picked up over the summer, called the hidden life of
trees, and the author writesthis story about when wolves
disappeared from Yellowstone.
(26:48):
Yeah, and it just is when youwere talking about that.
It just reminded me of it, soI'd love to read it.
It's not very long.
Sure, I'd love that.
I'll do my best.
Okay, he says it all startswith the wolves.
Wolves disappeared fromYellowstone, the world's first
national park, in the 1920s.
When they left, the entireecosystem changed.
(27:08):
Elk herds in the park increasedtheir numbers and began to make
quite a meal of the aspens,willows and cottonwoods that
lined the streams.
Vegetation declined and animalsthat depended on the trees left
.
The wolves were absent for 70years.
When they returned, the elk'slingerie browsing days were over
.
As the wolf packs kept theherds on the move, browsing
(27:31):
diminished and the trees springback.
The roots of cottonwoods andwillows once again stabilized
stream banks and slowed the flowof the water.
This in turn created space foranimals such as beavers to
return.
These industrious builderscould now find the materials
they needed to construct theirlodges and raise their families.
The animals that depended onthe riparian meadows came back
(27:53):
as well.
The wolves turned out to bebetter stewards of the land than
people, creating conditionsthat allowed the trees to grow
and exert their influence on thelandscape.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I love that Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Really, what is that from Sarah?
Okay, so it's a book called theHidden Life of Trees, what they
feel, how they communicatediscoveries from a secret world.
So it's just kind of how, howtrees talk, and I've not read
much of it, admittedly, but it'svery fascinating and very
informational.
So it's not really like hewrites well, but it's not
(28:28):
necessarily a novel.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I was going to say like, yeah, it's very.
It reminds me a little bit ofLonnie Jarrett, the guy that
that is an acupuncturist dudethat I like to read some of his
writing because it's very like,informed from like a practical
standpoint, but it's verypoetically written.
Like, I really like what youread was really poetic to me and
it makes me think of anexperience that I had this
(28:51):
morning and I was thinking whocould I tell about this?
And I was thinking I was goingto talk to you guys about this
at our slumber party.
But I guess I'm going to talkto you about it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, you've got a podcast, you can tell everyone.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, mine as well.
Just tell everybody now.
So this morning I was outwalking my dog and a lot of
times in the morning when I'mout walking my dog I will spit,
like I'll just kind of oh,you're hawking one Like a lube,
not even a hawking one, but it'slike just like getting the,
just the stuff out.
(29:22):
You know, it's like it justfeels feels right to me, it
feels good to me.
And so this morning I was doingthat and I was walking up my
driveway as I was doing that andI spit, and I spit on the base
of a tree that's in my yard andI looked at the tree and I
looked all the way up the treeand I looked all the way down
the tree and I said I'm reallysorry for spitting on you.
(29:45):
Oh yeah, no kidding.
Like you stand here, faithful,minute after minute, day after
day, month after month, yearafter year, the most faithful
tree Like you bloom in thespring and you hibernate in the
winter and you embody the, theseasons, like we've talked about
(30:06):
before, and I am so sorry fordisrespecting you.
And then I walked away and Iwas like, well, now I've had a
conversation with a tree.
Yeah, good job.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I want you to have that same conversation with your
body.
We all do too.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah right, yeah yeah yeah, exactly, and it's like.
It's like and I even thought,oh, as I tell people this,
they're going to be like well,were you inebriated in some way?
And no, I wasn't.
Like I had no, no chemicalinterruptions or anything like
that Like I was literally justhaving a moment with the tree in
my yard, and so I would like toencourage everybody, like, do
(30:42):
your own version of that.
You know, like, whether it'sspitting on it or not is really,
I don't think, maybe what's soimportant, maybe not start there
.
Yeah, maybe don't start there.
It's not a good way to start arelationship, but just really
considering the difference inperspective between yourself and
a tree, like kind of neat.
(31:03):
I love it, great.
Well, I'm going to talk aboutsomething else.
I started watching a sitcomthat my mom recommended, and I
am not a sitcom watcher.
I do not enjoy sitcoms Like Idon't.
It's like I feel like they'reoveracted.
I feel like the humor is kindof forced.
You know, there's like theaudience laughter sometimes.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I don't like that and it's like I just don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I just don't really like that.
And my mom has referenced thisshow.
It's called Young Sheldon.
She has referenced it so manytimes that I was like, okay,
over the Christmas break I'mgoing to watch a little bit of
this so I can see what it isthat she likes so much about
this show and I think it is abrilliant look at autism through
(31:47):
the eyes of a nine year old.
Oh, really, I didn't realizethat's what it was about.
Really, and I don't know thatthat's what it's about, but
that's what I have taken from it.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, I knew it was from Big Bang Theory, like it
was an extension of the Big BangTheory.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Oh, really I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I'm not going to prequel, if I'm not wrong.
Oh, okay, okay About that maincharacter.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, the kid is like super smart and super
particular and you know, I'llgive an example from one of the
shows.
He chokes on a piece of sausageand decides after that for like
five weeks, I think it is, thathe won't eat solid food because
he doesn't want to choke.
I understand that.
You know, it's like.
It's like scientific data hasshown that when I eat something
(32:32):
that is solid, it is possiblethat I choke, so I'm not going
to do that anymore.
It's like very, very literal.
And one of the things that hewas saying in one of the
episodes I was watching lastnight is he quoted a philosopher
, and Sarah, you or Andrea mightknow how to pronounce this
philosopher's name.
His name is Jean-Paul Sartre.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
No, I'm not someone and should speak French.
No.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
No, don't, okay.
Well, anyway, the quote that heoffered was people are hell,
and I thought you know what,like I really resonate with that
and like the actual quote ishell is other people.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah Well, I like that even better.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, hell is other people.
And so I looked it up because Iwas like is this like a real
thing, or is this something we?
You know?
What is this?
And of course, I had to do alittle bit of a deep dive on it
and this philosopher offered aclarification about his much
misunderstood phrase.
Hell is other people has alwaysbeen misunderstood.
(33:37):
It has been thought that what Imeant by that was that our
relations with other people arealways poisoned, that they are
invariably hellish relations.
But what I really mean issomething totally different.
I mean that if relations withsomeone else are twisted,
vitiated I don't know that wordvitiated then that other person
(34:00):
can only be hell.
Why?
Because when we think aboutourselves, when we try to know
ourselves, we use the knowledgeof which other people already
have.
We judge ourselves with themeans other people have and have
given us for judging ourselves.
What the hell, wow.
(34:21):
So to me it's like.
It kind of means that it's like, like, basically, like, like
people are hell because we havelike put onto them or accepted
from them what they believeabout us 100%, and it's, it's
your whole thing about the ego,about the outside.
You know what do people think,other people's opinions and
(34:41):
stuff like that, yeah, and Ithought, yeah, when you look at
it that way, people are hell.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, exactly, but really it's yourself that has
putting yourself in hell.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yes, I mean, you are hell.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't know how.
Okay, I have questions, a lotof religious questions, but to
that point do we ever getpenance for I feel like, as a
Caucasian person, I should neverask for this, but do we ever
get penance for the religioustrauma that we've been put
(35:12):
through, meaning when, when weget to heaven and see everyone
not me, I believe we're allgoing?
Don't tell anyone that, um, butthose who think that certain
people aren't going to heaven,when they get there and they see
all of us, is that our penance?
To be like surprise, you knowcause I like I picture I want to
(35:38):
sign up for that If there'slike a sign up list in heaven
for like hey so and so died.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
They're gonna be shocked.
You're here, you know like.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I want to do that because to that point I do think
we make our own lives hellworrying about what other people
think.
I totally agree with that.
But also I'm like.
I, at some point I want to belike, I want to have that gotcha
moment you know of like, oh man, what does it feel like?
Like have to spend eternitywith people that you chose to
(36:10):
hate for.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So long Right and it's like really, is it your?
I think it.
Let me clarify is what you'reasking?
Is that their penance?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Maybe I'm using the word penance wrong.
I need retribution.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yes, yes, that's right on point.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
And the retribution is that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, no, no, no, that you're exactly right,
though.
The retribution is that thosewho are shocked that you are
there, their penance is to livethere with you in shock.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think heaven's gotta be a big place, cause
think about this y'all.
I don't want to spend time withall those people.
You know what I mean.
Like any my own neighborhood,all of that, I want to be up in
the mountains, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I think that's where the on earth as it is in heaven
yeah exactly On earth as it isin heaven.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's?
Isn't that the?
I think that's the only prayerwe should be praying.
To be honest, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
And the other thing that I would like to bring,
please, is that I've also justfinished watching the latest
season of the crown.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh yeah, with Diana.
Don't tell me what happens,just kidding, I know.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I guess nobody knows.
I really really enjoyed it Likeit.
There was one episode aboutQueen Elizabeth's sister,
Margaret that just I wasliterally boo-hooing on my couch
, Like boo-hoo crying on mycouch, and it was a very, very
artfully done, beautiful episode.
(37:44):
But it was dreadfully sad andone of the things that Queen
Elizabeth said that reallyreally stuck with me is she said
what is meant for you won'tpass you by, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean, I believe that and guess what, just like
Big Magic, Ms Gilbert, and ifit's not meant for you, it will
keep on going.
That's right.
That's right.
Speaking of sorry about me Inthe whole area of Koschel, oh my
gosh, I'm really strugglingtoday.
(38:18):
I almost said Koschel con, no,koschel sanstrux.
Can you guess what I meant?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Social construx.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Thank you.
I have not had any chemicalseither, even though it sounds
like I have.
Well, maybe this IPA went to mybrain.
But anyway here we go, guys.
Here's what I'm getting at LizGilbert, all hail shaved her
head and she looks like abeautiful monk with like.
I mean, she just looks morebeautiful than she's ever looked
(38:50):
before.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
And this is like current day.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Current day, this is like yeah, she posted a
promotion for one of her eventsthe other day and she had shaved
her head and I was like damn,and I've been thinking about not
shaving my head Just let me saythat first, not that Don't get
nervous.
I've been thinking about thesocial constructs around hair,
(39:15):
not just for women but foreveryone, and there are so many
right, women can't have hairunder their arms.
We have to shave our legs and Iknow not everyone goes by these
rules and we've talked aboutthat.
I appreciate those who don't,but recently I found myself
exhausted by life and needing togo out, and it was a friend of
(39:36):
ours's birthday and I had verylimited time after a massage
that, even though I told mymassage therapist if she could
not to put any oil in my hair,she fully grabbed my hair like a
horse's tail and ran as muchoil as she could through it, and
so I came home, she gave you aBrazilian blowout.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
All of a sudden you hear like a hairdryer and the
massage thing next door, youknow whatever.
So I get home I'm trying toblow my hair out and do that
whole thing and it just looks sogreasy.
So I had this moment where Iwas like and this is a small
insight, if you don't know me,into how neurotic I can be, I
keep it pretty low key.
(40:17):
But I had this moment where Iwas like, oh my god, I can't go.
I can't go because I can't wearmy hair up to a fancy
steakhouse.
And I had like this part insideof me go, is that true?
Like pulled some Byron Katie onme, is that?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
true.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And I was like, well, isn't it true Like a woman has
to have her hair down in orderfor her to look fancy?
You know, like I just, and whothe hell knows.
I don't even know that this isa social con.
I do think there's a lot withhair, but as a woman somewhere,
I have come to believe that andI generally don't go in
(40:57):
somewhere if I have my hair LikeI just I went to the gym, so
that's why I look like thistoday, but like I'll get on the
podcast or whatever, whatever,but I wouldn't get on the zoom.
I've done it maybe two timeswith like a hat on and I just
find it interesting that we I dothat, even though sometimes
it's more comfortable for mejust to throw my hair up on the
top of my head.
Ps, I look so cute, so what amI why?
(41:20):
But anyway, that is mychallenge for the week I'm
putting that out there to us isto recognize when we judge
ourselves like oh my god, Ican't do that because.
Is it because of someone else'sopinions, and are those really
even their opinions?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Is it something you have come to believe?
Well and I'll use an examplethat's not nearly as tame is
that I can't wait, is I went,which is unusual because you're
the eight in the relationship,so I would think that you would
have the more shocking example,but this is truly just what came
(41:58):
to my head.
I ordered a new bra recently.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Great, give her a cheer for that, guys, cause that
is no joke.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Easy to do.
Yeah, no joke, and it is themost comfortable bra I have ever
owned.
I will say that there's onepart on the right strap that
kind of itches my shoulder righthere that I just can't figure
out why it's itching me.
So I got to figure that out.
But I went to a meeting theother morning and I had a choice
(42:26):
whether I was gonna wear mylittle pasties, my little like
nippy pasties, that I like towear.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I can't believe we're using the hashtag Nippy pasties
Geez guys.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Nippy pasties.
Is that a Y or Nippy or an IE?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
IE.
So Nippy pasties, is that abrand or did you make?
That up Nippy covers, I thinkis the brand I thought you just
happened to call them Nippypasties and I was like that's
adorable.
It's like, yeah, that is what Icall them.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, they're called.
I think they're called Nippycovers.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Or just nippies or something.
Oh, you are still touching yourbreasts while you're doing that
.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I'm still touching my breasts while I'm doing that.
Okay, so, anyway.
So I made a decision going tothis breakfast that I went to,
that I quote unquote should weara bra as opposed to wearing my
nippies.
And I thought to myself when Iwas at breakfast and I was
(43:23):
having the itchy thing righthere like does this person who
I'm sitting with care that I amwearing a fitted bra with straps
that lifts my breasts about athird of an inch Like does this
person care or is it completelyirrelevant?
And so I'm just saying that,like this is my own personal way
(43:46):
of relating to your what youbrought up.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I appreciate it.
I gotta tell you I it's hardfor me to see someone without a
bra, though yes, I agree, youknow what I mean, like when you
do see it and they haven't wornone in a while.
Yeah, you're like oh, that's awhole thing.
But yeah, I mean everybodyshould do themselves.
(44:09):
I think there needs to be amore comfortable version, like I
, for those of us who are thosewho are larger breasted.
They should make like a hammockthat goes like this and then
around the neck like a littletie, okay we have got
photographic evidence of thatthing.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
We do yes, cause I wore it, we ordered it, we
ordered it.
I think we talked about it onthe podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
We ordered it and then I put it on and sent a
picture of it to you guys andmade you guys swear that you
would not put it on the platform.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Can you re-send?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
it to me?
Yes, I have to find it.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
And you don't think we should share it with our
listeners?
I mean Kat, like.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I is it really a?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
hammock that ties around your neck.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
It literally isn't over the shoulder.
Boulder holder, like it's like.
It literally like ties on theback of the neck and just kind
of holds.
Oh you gotta stop touchingyourself.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Holds.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, I don't holds.
What else are you gonna do Tobe supported comfortably?
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, you know there were a lot of old wives tales
around like if you slept in yourbra you would get cancer.
What I know like, yeah, likeall these things growing up and
then apparently at like slumberparties, people would like steal
your bra and put it in thefreezer and that's why I never
wanted to go to those things.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
That happened to me.
It did.
That happened to me, yes.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Did you feel?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
bullied when I was in the.
I felt very bullied.
It happened to me when I was inthe eighth grade.
That's not cool.
And I, I know I went to aslumber party and my bra got put
in the freezer.
I was mortified.
What Cause?
I like pulled it out Once Ifound out where it was.
Somebody had to tell me and Iand it's like they had wedded or
something and then put it likeflat in the freezer.
(45:58):
So it was just this like.
It was almost like a statue oflike a bra and it's like that's
so not cool, so I'm like carrythat thing home.
It was so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
It was awful.
I was like it's awful.
Guys, don't bully your friends.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
It's not cool.
It's not so awful.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Okay, well, have a great week everyone and Merry
Christmas.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, happy Monica and Merry Christmas, and thank you
so much for celebrating with usall year long by listening to us
.
We appreciate you so much andare so grateful for your
patronage, for your listenership, for your interaction with us,
and hope that you guys have areally, really wonderful holiday
season with you and yours.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
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Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, give Kat and Moose and producer Sarah a
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Become a patron, become a.
That's great.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
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Hey, do you want to be ourSanta?
Give us five bucks a month onPatreon and you get a video of
us do without bras on.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Merry, whatever means the most to you.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
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Speaker 2 (47:21):
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Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I put my makeup on today, yeah you did, I took a
shower.
I took a shower, I put mymakeup on.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm so proud of you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And then I walked, belle, belle, and it was really
windy outside and the wind blewin my eyes and blew on mascara
all in my eyes and made all mymakeup go down my face and like
Alice Cooper, and so now it'slike I look like I've been in a
domestic dispute.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That's how I felt this morning.
We went to get a phlebotomy andphlebotomized.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Wait, what Did you get?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
your phlebotomy that's what I thought she said
too is phlebotomy I got blooddrawn and when I showed them my
arms for them to evaluate theveins, I just saw an array of
bruises.
And I was like my goodness,Sarah, From your heroin problem.
Just not knocks and bonks.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They were like are you safe at home?
And she's like no, I'm actuallynot safe, I have too many
animals to be safe at home.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I am far too clumsy to be safe at home.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I actually run a zoo from the inside of my home.
That is true.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh, my God.
Okay, are you guys ready tostart?
I could tell that I'm going tobe a bit giggly just because I'm
losing my mind.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
In life Paw dooser, Sarah oh.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
No, I don't know how to spell Paw dooser.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I was like well, it is a podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'm the paw dooser, paw dooser, sarah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey paw dooser, what's up, paw?
I think paw is what the Chinesewould call the season of metal,
the metal season.
The fall, I think, Is paw Isthat good, I mean it just is.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
What it is.
It just is what if we gave ourlisteners just a completely
unedited podcast today?
We just were like this is it?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We have done that before and I don't think they
liked it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We've done that before and we got actually some
pretty negative feedback.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, they were like don't ever do that again.
You guys are really lazy.
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You guys are lazy.
I hate the word lazy.
Do you guys hate the word lazy?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I do too.
I do too, and I do notappreciate being called that
word because I am not a lazyperson.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You're not.
Who called you that?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I just did.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh Well, that wasn't nice.
Sorry, hey Kat, hey Moose.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Hi guys, merry Christmas everybody.
Happy holidays, merry.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Christmas and happy holidays Merry Katmas and Merry
Serimus, and Merry Christmastand Merry Moosmas, happy
Hanukkah and to all of the otherholidays that we celebrate
Indeed.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So you guys know that we're having a slumber party
tomorrow night at my house.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We are, I do know.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I just want you to know that I remade all of the
beds in my house this week Great.
And the two beds one in eachguest bedroom that normally just
have like white kind of verygeneric sheets on them, both
have Christmas sheets on them,and the one in the big guest
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bedroom has little blue and graysnowflakes.
It's real pretty.
And the bed in the other guestbedroom has got a bunch of Moose
and Christmas trees on it.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You're trying to woo me into that room, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm trying to woo you into that bed.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You couldn't find any producer Sarah's sheets.
I couldn't it was really tough.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh my God, just little microphones all over them
.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, I thought maybe you could be represented by the
Christmas tree this year, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I accept.
I love trees.
Yes, exactly, I love Christmastrees too.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
There you go.
It says, if it was planned.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, speaking of that, guys, we got an email
about the wassel.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Hey, I would like some cheering for an email, A
wassel wassel email.
You can email us too at helloat catmoosepodcastcom.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Okay, so the subject of this is wassel, baby, wassel,
baby, wassel, baby wassel, oh Ilike it already.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I love our listeners so much.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I know I did too.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
You're as weird as we are Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And so, megan, thanks for writing in.
Hey Megan, hey Megan.
Megan says hi guys.
So my family always makeswassel at Christmas time.
However, I never knew themeaning behind it.
So thanks for being the wasseleducation podcast.
She knows us, she does myPentecostal great aunt Shirley.
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I mean, who doesn't have agreat aunt Shirley?
Shirley, we do.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Wait, a Pentecostal.
I mean, yeah, I can't even sayit.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Okay, so great.
Aunt Shirley made it one yearwhen I was a little kid and
we've been having it since.
As a kid I hated it, but as anadult we add a few extra
ingredients, wink, wink to takethe edge off the holidays.
I like it now.
I really like it now.
Oh, I also want to add that theversion we make is probably not
traditional.
It's more like the redneckversion.
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We put red hot candies in ours.
Oh, cat, it sounds like yourneck of the woods.
Yeah, totally Mary.
Whatever means the most to you,megan, thanks, megan.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I love that.
Instead of Merry Christmas,mary, whatever means the most to
you, cheers to that.
It's beautiful, I love it.
Everyone raise your drinks,please, and very quickly go
around and say what you'redrinking, cat you first I am
drinking La Crema, russian River, chardonnay.
Okay, lagunitas Daytime.
It's a crisp session IPA.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Unsweetened iced tea Nice.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Great work everyone.
Good work everybody.
Cheers to you Megan, cheersMegan, cheers Megan.
We are raising our wassal toyou.
It's not what you think itmeans.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Miss, I have to tell you we talked I think it was on
our last episode or maybe theepisode before that about our
favorite Christmas songs.
Yes, and one of yours if notyour top favorite was Slay Ride.
Oh yes, oh yes,da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Ever since we recorded thatpodcast, I have found myself
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walking around the housewhistling like this
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, Ilove that, like octave,
da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and Ican't ever hit it.
And it just has stayed in myhead.
It's like I'll find myself likeloading the dishwasher and I'm
(07:06):
like whistling that was great.
It's very joyful it is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's lovely, that is so cute.
The best part of that isanytime that you yell loud or
you whistle like that.
We actually can't hear anythingyou're doing, oh good.
So Sarah and I just laugh anddance along, but it's not making
fun of you, it's just we knowwhen we hear it back that we're
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going to really have jammed toit.
Oh yeah, the good news is weall have imaginations and I knew
exactly what tune you weresinging.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Indeed.
Oh good, I'm so glad you haveimaginations.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Imagination.
Okay, so I have this book.
It's called by Sarah Jane Case.
It's an Enneagram book and it'scalled the honest Enneagram,
and some people may know SarahJane Case.
She goes by her name onInstagram now, but she used to
go by Enneagram and coffee.
Did you ever see like some ofher posts?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It kind of reminds me a littlebit of like Sanctuary World, the
horoscope Instagram thing,where it's like they'll have
like a little pie and they'll belike if you're a Scorpio, then
80% of you is this and 20% ofyou is this.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Oh really, I always liked that about?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
yeah, and I always liked that about Sarah Jane.
Is that her?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
name yeah, Sarah Jane .
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I always liked that about her posts is I'm like
oh, I can read a little bitabout each number and it was
like in a digestible format.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That's so cool.
She I had the honor of being anEnneagram training with her in
Nashville in one of my classesand she how do I say?
She led with Enneagram sevenand I remember her talking about
the dark sides of being a sevenand it was just really
interesting because you'd neverhear that.
But what I wanted to say.
(08:54):
So this book it's called thehonest Enneagram highly
recommend it.
I have been going through itrecently and I we're not going
to go deep, don't worry, we'regoing to stay really, really
shallow, just like we like it.
Oh, thank goodness.
Yeah, but I want to ask each ofyou if you resonate with
something.
And then I have something veryirreverent to do with the
(09:15):
Enneagram.
Okay, you are a type two.
You lead with two, often calledthe giver, the lover, the
helper, the hidden warrior.
I never knew that that feelsright in line I would agree with
that, and this is the symbol,it's you holding a lotus, your
hands holding a lotus.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Very cool, very beautiful, that's a cool tattoo.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's very sweet.
I should buy some of these andwe should just give them away to
listeners, or we should buythem with all of our money.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
The quote is I often believe that I am as worthy as I
am lovable, that my worth isrelated to how wanted I am.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So is the question?
Does that resonate with me, orwhat is the question?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, did your soul write that yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Actually, I think that that is not true.
My current day ego layeredversion of my soul does not
resonate with that.
I think that would you read itone more time, from beginning to
end.
Yeah, of course, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I often believe that I am as worthy as I am lovable,
that my worth is related to howwanted I am.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, that does actually resonate.
I think that I was hearing itfrom a different perspective the
first time around.
I think that a lot of times Idon't feel worthy because I
don't feel lovable.
I think that that is actuallytrue.
I think in my healthiest stateof being I would be like I am
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lovable and I am worthy and allof that.
I'm not in a super healthystate of mind then I don't
believe I'm lovable or worthy,but that would still make the
statement true you think you areas lovable as you are worthy,
or you are as worthy as you arelovable?
Yeah, I think that that isactually a fairly accurate
(11:16):
statement.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, I read these and I think the important thing
to always note with any gramtype is there's no negatives
here.
No type is better than oneanother.
But also, when you find yourany gram type, you feel you're
most vulnerable because you'relike ugh, it's like someone
found that little red flag thatis always freaking out when
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something goes wrong.
Whatever it's like, you haveattachment issues, whatever it
is.
We all have different kinds ofways we've survived, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I remember feeling like when I figured that, when I
found my any gram number,feeling like somebody crawled
into my brain and saw through mylens of life.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, which is pretty cool because, if you think
about it, if people study ane-gram, they can go.
Oh, before I call Kat and needto have this conversation, let
me think about how it might feelthe way I'm going to present it
.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, it helps us get in other people's brains.
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
All right, sarah, you are loyal, a skeptic, a
guardian and a trustedintegrator.
What's my any gram number?
You're a type six, and here'syour sentence.
I want you to say, if youresonate with, I know that I
will be okay as long as I knowwhat is expected of me, and make
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a point to follow through withthose expectations.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I've never heard it worded this way and I think she
has worded it the best I've everheard.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
That's great.
Yeah, that's really, that'sreally astute.
I like that.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, you agree with that?
I do.
Yeah, I, I mean, that is mybiggest.
I Don't want to say form ofanxiety, but maybe, like trigger
for anxiety is when I,especially in a work situation
or something like that, when Idon't, or in a any type of
relationship, when I don't knowwhat's expected of me.
(13:15):
Now, relationships areinteresting because I don't
think we should haveexpectations, and yet that's a
topic because maybe that weshould have expectations of each
other.
You know, yeah, that's a wholedifferent thing.
But especially in a workenvironment or in that kind of
situation, I am like, if I don'tknow what's expected of me, I
will.
I will climb every tower andtry to Accomplish it all,
(13:38):
because I don't know where themark is.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Hmm, We've talked about this before that a common
thing that we recognized in ourown workings together was that
any gram sixes have often said Ididn't, but I didn't know.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, that refers to thatwanting to know the expectation
and have the knowledge in orderto show up and do it All right
and quickly.
Mine leader, challenger,protector, defender of justice
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type eight I feel like I soundlike a superhero.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yes, you are a superhero.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah.
And then this one.
I think it's hard to read yourown, because I'm like is that
really me?
But I know that I will be okayas long as I remain strong and
powerful, mmm.
And and it's interestingbecause when I hear that outside
of myself, when my ego hearsthat, like you said, cat, my ego
says I'm not trying to bestrong and powerful, which is
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true.
But Even more I would take theopposite of that and say it's
more important for me to notever be weak, mm-hmm.
And that's not for the sake ofbeing weak, it's for the sake of
that's.
When all the shit falls apart,you know what I mean.
Like I can't be ever be weakbecause I'll be vulnerable, like
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that's what it comes up to.
All right.
So if you've never listened tothe podcast, now you know who we
are.
You have four minutes ofgoodness there and I'm welcome
to the enneagram.
We're not an enneagram podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
No, we're not.
We don't do this every week.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
What do we do?
So I want to see Moose.
If something resonant, well,you then.
You were gonna do an irreverentenneagram thing.
Should we go there?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, I thought we could, just we could do
something really funny, okay.
So I saw a sign.
I Don't understand me.
I saw the sign and it's been upmy eyes.
(15:37):
I saw the sign.
All right, I love.
We're a karaoke podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
All that she wants is another baby.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I'm gone tomorrow, all right, so I need you both to
yell out Whatever your answeris for this.
If it and there's nine of themI Saw a sign for me and my house
we serve, we will serve theLord.
We've seen that before.
It's a, it's a Bible verse.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
I would like for us to writeone, and in honor of Sarah Jane,
(16:14):
for each grini Any.
I said grini a gam Grini a jamgrini, a gam type.
I'm a weed.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't understand this sign.
You're not in the.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Bible no, there's no Bible verses just for me in my
house.
We will serve and instead ofthe Lord we're gonna fill in
something and I recognize thisfeels a little sacrilegious, not
trying to do that.
It's funny, any gram funny.
So ready, here we go.
Any gram nine for me at myhouse, we will serve passive
aggressiveness the bed.
Oh, I said the bed I'm sorry,they love to sleep.
(16:50):
Okay, here we go.
Any gram eight, sarah, you'reallowed to yell it out too, okay
for me in my house we willserve Volume, what I would say
we will serve people.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Because look for the helpers right.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Whenever Sarah gets mad at me and I'm trying to help
her like she gets irritated, Iwould say remember what mr
Rogers said look for the helpers.
Here I am, I'm so, I'm a creepy.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Very passive aggressive.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
any gram seven the enthusiast for me in my house we
will serve Party entertainment.
Yes, intergrate of six for mein my house we will serve Safety
, worry, concern For me in myhouse, any gram five we will
serve truth information, thelibrary.
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Any gram four for me in myhouse we will serve me.
Sarah, you got anything myfeelings, oh that's good.
Yeah, any gram three, oh man,we kind of use this one up for
me in my house.
(18:07):
We will serve the best me,whatever me.
You want Any a gram two for mein my house, we will serve you
again and again as long as I canover, and I really hope.
You see that I've served you.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Since I am a two, I feel like I get to interact with
a little bit.
Um, I was having breakfast witha client this week and he said
to me he said, cat, he goes.
You're the type of person who,in order to do your job well,
would show up to a meeting atthe record label With a severed
(18:46):
left arm that was bleeding outand not know that your arm was
bleeding, yeah, so that youcould like be there to do your
job.
You know, and I was like wow,like that's kind of true.
It's like I kind of lose myselfIn order to like serve the
person or serve the situation.
But I also Thought about this alittle bit more, like after we
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had that conversation, and I waslike I think I've gotten better
than that.
Yeah, I think that I think thatI would at least go in and go
like I had my arms sought offand I have at least a soppy, wet
Bandage on it and it's hurtingreally badly.
So if I don't do everythingright in this meeting, please
(19:30):
give me some grace.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So you would go to the hospital, yeah, you'd still
go to the meeting.
I love you point taken, I'mlike you're right, you have
gotten better.
And as you're talking, I'm likethat's not quite better.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You're still gonna die by the end of the meeting.
Yeah, yeah, definitely growtheverybody.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
This is what years of therapy can do for you A little
tight steps, guys.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's all you need One degree of change at a time.
He'll turn the whole shitaround.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
God, okay, any of gram one for me in my house.
We will serve the rules.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Organization yes, anything, sarah.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Nope.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay, great, good check it.
Good job checking.
All right guys, that's all I'vegot not all, but I mean for
that part.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
That means a lot we're gonna go weak.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Merry Christmas Cat.
Um, I I'm not sure that.
Uh, uh, you remember, but weare Jeopardy podcast.
I forgot what I was gonna saythere for a minute.
Um, so I would love to see youchoose.
I'm not sure if I'm healing ordying for 500.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Or or is that my only option?
I would like to choose thecategory Alex, healing or dying
for 500.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Great, that's a new transition.
Bobby, what did you think aboutthat?
Give us a score.
Good job, she's our coach.
Just kidding, we don't have acoach.
So I've cried more in the pastcouple weeks than I have cried
and, uh, in a while.
It's so that, don't worry, it'smainly medication related.
I'm doing all right sort of Um.
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And did you guys happen to seethe video on instagram or tiktok
or wherever you watch yourstuff, about these, um, gray
wolves being re-released intocolorado?
No, oh, I just like bald myeyes out.
I won't even show you the video.
But, um, the whole point isLike these hipster wolves from
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Oregon they're trying torepopulate.
They're not really hipster, Iwas joking.
They're trying to repopulatecolorado and they brought, I
think, five of them to release.
But the music behind it, and itwas like just this week that it
happened, I guess, and I shouldjust play it.
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But the whole point is thesewolves like, when they open
these crates, you to watch them,like look around in the
wilderness and realize, you know, they've probably like Been in
the car for a day or somethingto look around and be like this
is my new life.
It was like so beautiful,really, it really was.
And so then I go.
(22:21):
I'm like, why am I so moved bythis?
Besides, you know that I'm justcrying a lot and I realized,
like you resonate with the tiger, I think I resonate with a wolf
, oh Nice.
So I went down this deep holeand I won't take you there with
me, don't worry.
Um, but I did find out thatthis phrase I took, I read, and
(22:48):
it said wolves are extremelyintuitive and have an almost
supernatural instinct that candetect dangerous situations, and
I felt like somebody wrote abio for me.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
And that one sentence .
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So I think my spirit animal might be a wolf.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh, I think that's beautiful.
You know it would be fun is tolook at our spirit animal oracle
cards in our animal wisdom bookand see what it says about
wolves as well and see if thatresonates.
That's really really beautiful.
Moose, if you were to considerwhere or if your spirit animal
lives in your body somewhere, doyou have a sense of where that
(23:29):
wolf energy lives in your body?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know, at first I was thinking my gut, but when I
really think about it, it's likein my chest.
That's where, like, I picture awolf head coming out of my
chest.
How about that?
Their eyes, though, are like,so stunning and, of course, I
love dogs, so I guess that makesa lot of sense but also like
(23:55):
and then, oh, let me show youwhat I found.
I almost left the best part out.
Look at this that showed up.
I was like I freaking lovewolves, and then there's this.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That's just another wolf's leg, or is that like an
antelope's leg?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's like a deer leg.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That's the leg of a deer.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's a wolf carrying a caribou.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
We just have to read her.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Hind quarter.
But at first I thought the wolfhad five legs.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It does kind of look like it.
Yeah, he looks like he's gotanother appendage.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean he just took that leg off and was like I'm
going for it, but yeah, anyway,that was a little shocking.
But then I thought, OK, I'mtrying to learn from everything.
Is this what people feel likewhen they encounter an enneagram
eight?
Sometimes their leg was takenoff.
That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
When you go back, when you go back to that page.
Actually, I'd like to pointsomething out.
Yes, this is consistent withhow sometimes I feel
encountering, not encountering,having dealt with an enneagram
eight, and I love you, I love myeight people and you've got to
be a strong mofo to to spar withan eight.
(25:07):
Yeah, I just I just want to saythat, like as we are developing
our identities and our growthas humans and stuff like that,
miss, it might need to turn intothe cat and wolf.
Oh, you're right Across Eurasia.
Wolves prey mostly on moose.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Oh shit, whoa, I didn't even see that, mm.
Hmm, for real, with a pack of15 able to bring down an adult
moose, jeez guys.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, and then in North America important range
wide prey are elk, moose,caribou and deer.
So I mean it's like this iskind of an interesting like
spirit animal battle type thingthat could potentially be going
on is but it does take 15 tobring down the moose.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's a lot of wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
That's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I also think we need to change the podcast name to
healing or dying for 500.
Okay, I wait, I'm not done,because I moose would have to
die and order for the wolf tocome on board.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, healing or dying for 500.
I think that's a great podcasttitle.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I think it's a great podcast title.
We are changing our name, can Ishare?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
something about wolves, please.
When you were talking aboutthat it reminded me of I think
it's in the prologue, or like atthe beginning, of this book
that I picked up over the summer, called the hidden life of
trees, and the author writesthis story about when wolves
disappeared from Yellowstone.
(26:48):
Yeah, and it just is when youwere talking about that.
It just reminded me of it, soI'd love to read it.
It's not very long.
Sure, I'd love that.
I'll do my best.
Okay, he says it all startswith the wolves.
Wolves disappeared fromYellowstone, the world's first
national park, in the 1920s.
When they left, the entireecosystem changed.
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Elk herds in the park increasedtheir numbers and began to make
quite a meal of the aspens,willows and cottonwoods that
lined the streams.
Vegetation declined and animalsthat depended on the trees left
.
The wolves were absent for 70years.
When they returned, the elk'slingerie browsing days were over
.
As the wolf packs kept theherds on the move, browsing
(27:31):
diminished and the trees springback.
The roots of cottonwoods andwillows once again stabilized
stream banks and slowed the flowof the water.
This in turn created space foranimals such as beavers to
return.
These industrious builderscould now find the materials
they needed to construct theirlodges and raise their families.
The animals that depended onthe riparian meadows came back
(27:53):
as well.
The wolves turned out to bebetter stewards of the land than
people, creating conditionsthat allowed the trees to grow
and exert their influence on thelandscape.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I love that Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Really, what is that from Sarah?
Okay, so it's a book called theHidden Life of Trees, what they
feel, how they communicatediscoveries from a secret world.
So it's just kind of how, howtrees talk, and I've not read
much of it, admittedly, but it'svery fascinating and very
informational.
So it's not really like hewrites well, but it's not
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necessarily a novel.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I was going to say like, yeah, it's very.
It reminds me a little bit ofLonnie Jarrett, the guy that
that is an acupuncturist dudethat I like to read some of his
writing because it's very like,informed from like a practical
standpoint, but it's verypoetically written.
Like, I really like what youread was really poetic to me and
it makes me think of anexperience that I had this
(28:51):
morning and I was thinking whocould I tell about this?
And I was thinking I was goingto talk to you guys about this
at our slumber party.
But I guess I'm going to talkto you about it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, you've got a podcast, you can tell everyone.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, mine as well.
Just tell everybody now.
So this morning I was outwalking my dog and a lot of
times in the morning when I'mout walking my dog I will spit,
like I'll just kind of oh,you're hawking one Like a lube,
not even a hawking one, but it'slike just like getting the,
just the stuff out.
(29:22):
You know, it's like it justfeels feels right to me, it
feels good to me.
And so this morning I was doingthat and I was walking up my
driveway as I was doing that andI spit, and I spit on the base
of a tree that's in my yard andI looked at the tree and I
looked all the way up the treeand I looked all the way down
the tree and I said I'm reallysorry for spitting on you.
(29:45):
Oh yeah, no kidding.
Like you stand here, faithful,minute after minute, day after
day, month after month, yearafter year, the most faithful
tree Like you bloom in thespring and you hibernate in the
winter and you embody the, theseasons, like we've talked about
(30:06):
before, and I am so sorry fordisrespecting you.
And then I walked away and Iwas like, well, now I've had a
conversation with a tree.
Yeah, good job.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I want you to have that same conversation with your
body.
We all do too.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah right, yeah yeah yeah, exactly, and it's like.
It's like and I even thought,oh, as I tell people this,
they're going to be like well,were you inebriated in some way?
And no, I wasn't.
Like I had no, no chemicalinterruptions or anything like
that Like I was literally justhaving a moment with the tree in
my yard, and so I would like toencourage everybody, like, do
(30:42):
your own version of that.
You know, like, whether it'sspitting on it or not is really,
I don't think, maybe what's soimportant, maybe not start there
.
Yeah, maybe don't start there.
It's not a good way to start arelationship, but just really
considering the difference inperspective between yourself and
a tree, like kind of neat.
(31:03):
I love it, great.
Well, I'm going to talk aboutsomething else.
I started watching a sitcomthat my mom recommended, and I
am not a sitcom watcher.
I do not enjoy sitcoms Like Idon't.
It's like I feel like they'reoveracted.
I feel like the humor is kindof forced.
You know, there's like theaudience laughter sometimes.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I don't like that and it's like I just don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I just don't really like that.
And my mom has referenced thisshow.
It's called Young Sheldon.
She has referenced it so manytimes that I was like, okay,
over the Christmas break I'mgoing to watch a little bit of
this so I can see what it isthat she likes so much about
this show and I think it is abrilliant look at autism through
(31:47):
the eyes of a nine year old.
Oh, really, I didn't realizethat's what it was about.
Really, and I don't know thatthat's what it's about, but
that's what I have taken from it.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, I knew it was from Big Bang Theory, like it
was an extension of the Big BangTheory.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Oh, really I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, I'm not going to prequel, if I'm not wrong.
Oh, okay, okay About that maincharacter.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, the kid is like super smart and super
particular and you know, I'llgive an example from one of the
shows.
He chokes on a piece of sausageand decides after that for like
five weeks, I think it is, thathe won't eat solid food because
he doesn't want to choke.
I understand that.
You know, it's like.
It's like scientific data hasshown that when I eat something
(32:32):
that is solid, it is possiblethat I choke, so I'm not going
to do that anymore.
It's like very, very literal.
And one of the things that hewas saying in one of the
episodes I was watching lastnight is he quoted a philosopher
, and Sarah, you or Andrea mightknow how to pronounce this
philosopher's name.
His name is Jean-Paul Sartre.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
No, I'm not someone and should speak French.
No.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
No, don't, okay.
Well, anyway, the quote that heoffered was people are hell,
and I thought you know what,like I really resonate with that
and like the actual quote ishell is other people.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah Well, I like that even better.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, hell is other people.
And so I looked it up because Iwas like is this like a real
thing, or is this something we?
You know?
What is this?
And of course, I had to do alittle bit of a deep dive on it
and this philosopher offered aclarification about his much
misunderstood phrase.
Hell is other people has alwaysbeen misunderstood.
(33:37):
It has been thought that what Imeant by that was that our
relations with other people arealways poisoned, that they are
invariably hellish relations.
But what I really mean issomething totally different.
I mean that if relations withsomeone else are twisted,
vitiated I don't know that wordvitiated then that other person
(34:00):
can only be hell.
Why?
Because when we think aboutourselves, when we try to know
ourselves, we use the knowledgeof which other people already
have.
We judge ourselves with themeans other people have and have
given us for judging ourselves.
What the hell, wow.
(34:21):
So to me it's like.
It kind of means that it's like, like, basically, like, like
people are hell because we havelike put onto them or accepted
from them what they believeabout us 100%, and it's, it's
your whole thing about the ego,about the outside.
You know what do people think,other people's opinions and
(34:41):
stuff like that, yeah, and Ithought, yeah, when you look at
it that way, people are hell.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, exactly, but really it's yourself that has
putting yourself in hell.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yes, I mean, you are hell.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I don't know how.
Okay, I have questions, a lotof religious questions, but to
that point do we ever getpenance for I feel like, as a
Caucasian person, I should neverask for this, but do we ever
get penance for the religioustrauma that we've been put
(35:12):
through, meaning when, when weget to heaven and see everyone
not me, I believe we're allgoing?
Don't tell anyone that, um, butthose who think that certain
people aren't going to heaven,when they get there and they see
all of us, is that our penance?
To be like surprise, you knowcause I like I picture I want to
(35:38):
sign up for that If there'slike a sign up list in heaven
for like hey so and so died.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
They're gonna be shocked.
You're here, you know like.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I want to do that because to that point I do think
we make our own lives hellworrying about what other people
think.
I totally agree with that.
But also I'm like.
I, at some point I want to belike, I want to have that gotcha
moment you know of like, oh man, what does it feel like?
Like have to spend eternitywith people that you chose to
(36:10):
hate for.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
So long Right and it's like really, is it your?
I think it.
Let me clarify is what you'reasking?
Is that their penance?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Maybe I'm using the word penance wrong.
I need retribution.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yes, yes, that's right on point.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
And the retribution is that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, no, no, no, that you're exactly right,
though.
The retribution is that thosewho are shocked that you are
there, their penance is to livethere with you in shock.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think heaven's gotta be a big place, cause
think about this y'all.
I don't want to spend time withall those people.
You know what I mean.
Like any my own neighborhood,all of that, I want to be up in
the mountains, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I think that's where the on earth as it is in heaven
yeah exactly On earth as it isin heaven.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's?
Isn't that the?
I think that's the only prayerwe should be praying.
To be honest, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
And the other thing that I would like to bring,
please, is that I've also justfinished watching the latest
season of the crown.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh yeah, with Diana.
Don't tell me what happens,just kidding, I know.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I guess nobody knows.
I really really enjoyed it Likeit.
There was one episode aboutQueen Elizabeth's sister,
Margaret that just I wasliterally boo-hooing on my couch
, Like boo-hoo crying on mycouch, and it was a very, very
artfully done, beautiful episode.
(37:44):
But it was dreadfully sad andone of the things that Queen
Elizabeth said that reallyreally stuck with me is she said
what is meant for you won'tpass you by, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean, I believe that and guess what, just like
Big Magic, Ms Gilbert, and ifit's not meant for you, it will
keep on going.
That's right.
That's right.
Speaking of sorry about me Inthe whole area of Koschel, oh my
gosh, I'm really strugglingtoday.
(38:18):
I almost said Koschel con, no,koschel sanstrux.
Can you guess what I meant?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Social construx.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Thank you.
I have not had any chemicalseither, even though it sounds
like I have.
Well, maybe this IPA went to mybrain.
But anyway here we go, guys.
Here's what I'm getting at LizGilbert, all hail shaved her
head and she looks like abeautiful monk with like.
I mean, she just looks morebeautiful than she's ever looked
(38:50):
before.
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
And this is like current day.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Current day, this is like yeah, she posted a
promotion for one of her eventsthe other day and she had shaved
her head and I was like damn,and I've been thinking about not
shaving my head Just let me saythat first, not that Don't get
nervous.
I've been thinking about thesocial constructs around hair,
(39:15):
not just for women but foreveryone, and there are so many
right, women can't have hairunder their arms.
We have to shave our legs and Iknow not everyone goes by these
rules and we've talked aboutthat.
I appreciate those who don't,but recently I found myself
exhausted by life and needing togo out, and it was a friend of
(39:36):
ours's birthday and I had verylimited time after a massage
that, even though I told mymassage therapist if she could
not to put any oil in my hair,she fully grabbed my hair like a
horse's tail and ran as muchoil as she could through it, and
so I came home, she gave you aBrazilian blowout.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
All of a sudden you hear like a hairdryer and the
massage thing next door, youknow whatever.
So I get home I'm trying toblow my hair out and do that
whole thing and it just looks sogreasy.
So I had this moment where Iwas like and this is a small
insight, if you don't know me,into how neurotic I can be, I
keep it pretty low key.
(40:17):
But I had this moment where Iwas like, oh my god, I can't go.
I can't go because I can't wearmy hair up to a fancy
steakhouse.
And I had like this part insideof me go, is that true?
Like pulled some Byron Katie onme, is that?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
true.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And I was like, well, isn't it true Like a woman has
to have her hair down in orderfor her to look fancy?
You know, like I just, and whothe hell knows.
I don't even know that this isa social con.
I do think there's a lot withhair, but as a woman somewhere,
I have come to believe that andI generally don't go in
(40:57):
somewhere if I have my hair LikeI just I went to the gym, so
that's why I look like thistoday, but like I'll get on the
podcast or whatever, whatever,but I wouldn't get on the zoom.
I've done it maybe two timeswith like a hat on and I just
find it interesting that we I dothat, even though sometimes
it's more comfortable for mejust to throw my hair up on the
top of my head.
Ps, I look so cute, so what amI why?
(41:20):
But anyway, that is mychallenge for the week I'm
putting that out there to us isto recognize when we judge
ourselves like oh my god, Ican't do that because.
Is it because of someone else'sopinions, and are those really
even their opinions?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Is it something you have come to believe?
Well and I'll use an examplethat's not nearly as tame is
that I can't wait, is I went,which is unusual because you're
the eight in the relationship,so I would think that you would
have the more shocking example,but this is truly just what came
(41:58):
to my head.
I ordered a new bra recently.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Great, give her a cheer for that, guys, cause that
is no joke.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Easy to do.
Yeah, no joke, and it is themost comfortable bra I have ever
owned.
I will say that there's onepart on the right strap that
kind of itches my shoulder righthere that I just can't figure
out why it's itching me.
So I got to figure that out.
But I went to a meeting theother morning and I had a choice
(42:26):
whether I was gonna wear mylittle pasties, my little like
nippy pasties, that I like towear.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I can't believe we're using the hashtag Nippy pasties
Geez guys.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Nippy pasties.
Is that a Y or Nippy or an IE?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
IE.
So Nippy pasties, is that abrand or did you make?
That up Nippy covers, I thinkis the brand I thought you just
happened to call them Nippypasties and I was like that's
adorable.
It's like, yeah, that is what Icall them.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, they're called.
I think they're called Nippycovers.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Or just nippies or something.
Oh, you are still touching yourbreasts while you're doing that
.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I'm still touching my breasts while I'm doing that.
Okay, so, anyway.
So I made a decision going tothis breakfast that I went to,
that I quote unquote should weara bra as opposed to wearing my
nippies.
And I thought to myself when Iwas at breakfast and I was
(43:23):
having the itchy thing righthere like does this person who
I'm sitting with care that I amwearing a fitted bra with straps
that lifts my breasts about athird of an inch Like does this
person care or is it completelyirrelevant?
And so I'm just saying that,like this is my own personal way
(43:46):
of relating to your what youbrought up.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
I appreciate it.
I gotta tell you I it's hardfor me to see someone without a
bra, though yes, I agree, youknow what I mean, like when you
do see it and they haven't wornone in a while.
Yeah, you're like oh, that's awhole thing.
But yeah, I mean everybodyshould do themselves.
(44:09):
I think there needs to be amore comfortable version, like I
, for those of us who are thosewho are larger breasted.
They should make like a hammockthat goes like this and then
around the neck like a littletie, okay we have got
photographic evidence of thatthing.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
We do yes, cause I wore it, we ordered it, we
ordered it.
I think we talked about it onthe podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
We ordered it and then I put it on and sent a
picture of it to you guys andmade you guys swear that you
would not put it on the platform.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Can you re-send?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
it to me?
Yes, I have to find it.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
And you don't think we should share it with our
listeners?
I mean Kat, like.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I is it really a?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
hammock that ties around your neck.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
It literally isn't over the shoulder.
Boulder holder, like it's like.
It literally like ties on theback of the neck and just kind
of holds.
Oh you gotta stop touchingyourself.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Holds.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, I don't holds.
What else are you gonna do Tobe supported comfortably?
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, you know there were a lot of old wives tales
around like if you slept in yourbra you would get cancer.
What I know like, yeah, likeall these things growing up and
then apparently at like slumberparties, people would like steal
your bra and put it in thefreezer and that's why I never
wanted to go to those things.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
That happened to me.
It did.
That happened to me, yes.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Did you feel?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
bullied when I was in the.
I felt very bullied.
It happened to me when I was inthe eighth grade.
That's not cool.
And I, I know I went to aslumber party and my bra got put
in the freezer.
I was mortified.
What Cause?
I like pulled it out Once Ifound out where it was.
Somebody had to tell me and Iand it's like they had wedded or
something and then put it likeflat in the freezer.
(45:58):
So it was just this like.
It was almost like a statue oflike a bra and it's like that's
so not cool, so I'm like carrythat thing home.
It was so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
It was awful.
I was like it's awful.
Guys, don't bully your friends.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
It's not cool.
It's not so awful.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Okay, well, have a great week everyone and Merry
Christmas.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, happy Monica and Merry Christmas, and thank you
so much for celebrating with usall year long by listening to us
.
We appreciate you so much andare so grateful for your
patronage, for your listenership, for your interaction with us,
and hope that you guys have areally, really wonderful holiday
season with you and yours.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
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Speaker 1 (46:45):
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Become a patron, become a.
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Speaker 2 (46:51):
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Hey, do you want to be ourSanta?
Give us five bucks a month onPatreon and you get a video of
us do without bras on.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Merry, whatever means the most to you.
I love that.
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