January 3, 2024 • 49 mins
As the confetti settles from our New Year's celebrations, we find ourselves reflecting on the shared journey of human quirks and the rollercoaster ride of menopause. This episode is like that unexpected phone call from an old friend—comforting, enlightening, and sure to leave you with a grin. We unravel the tapestry of perimenopause, from the taboo surrounding hormone therapy to the static cling that zaps us when we least expect it. With a dash of humor and a sprinkle of solidarity, we're opening up about the personal challenges and societal expectations that accompany this transformative time in a woman's life.
Gather 'round as we reminisce about college days past and the profound changes that shape our dreams and identities. It’s a stroll down memory lane, dusting off those old yearbooks of the soul, as we contemplate the evolution of our younger selves into the people we are today. Our narrative meanders through the philosophical currents of the Tao, inviting you to rediscover the aspirations that once set your heart ablaze. This episode is not just a trip back in time; it's about harnessing the wisdom of change to foster growth in the here and now.
Concluding with a heart-to-heart on the delicate dance between our soul and ego, we ponder the essence of what makes us tick. There's a little bit of cosmic comedy, too, as we navigate life's "beaver dams" and the tangled messes we find ourselves in—like headphone wires that conspire to trip us up. So, grab your favorite mug of something warm, and join us for an episode that promises to be as comforting as your go-to winter sweater, all while we chart a course through the wilderness of being wonderfully, messily human on the Kat and Moose Podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Kat and I'm Moose , this is the True Life podcast,
where we explore the quirks ofbeing human.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Okay, Well, happy new year, Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey Kat, happy new year, holy shit.
Happy new year and holy shit,yes, yeah man.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So.
So a friend of mine went to seeher family for the Christmas
holidays and asked me if I hadany Xanax that she could borrow.
Just borrow.
Like she's going to give it back, just borrow, like just in case
I need it, type thing.
And so I put a few of them in,a little like medicines and
black baggy thing that I have,and I just wrote holy shit on
(00:51):
the outside and I said, if youfeel this way at all in your
body while you're gone, pleaseutilize this disease.
And we have laughed about it somany times, about how it's like
things just feel like holy shit.
So is that legal, kat?
Oh it, completely not.
I'm sure I've just lost everylicense and credential that I
(01:11):
have.
Could we unedit all of that,sarah?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, no.
Also, I see that as sort oflike subletting your apartment
you know what I mean Like I haveto admit that there have been
times where I haven't gotten mylife.
I've been sexapro filled and Imay have dabbled in Sarah's so,
but we don't condone this, guys.
(01:35):
We're not encouraging you tobring pills to a party and put
them in a hat and choose them.
We're not, do we're notencouraging that?
Nope, not at all.
I didn't know you had Xanax toshare.
Can I borrow one?
Give out your number for anyonethat needs it, even after the
holidays ią.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I love you guys.
I'm gonna pay $6.
That's me to get one.
We got paid aJAITI Sounds �er,it's like six tomatoes and it's
going to be our family business.
So take that job.
Let me tell you also there arevideos down there, are they not?
Yeah, I do have anything topublish, so I just, if you're
(02:24):
sort of in, yeah, the freaking.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I love that you're laughing about it.
Is that kind of one of thoselike I'm going to laugh, or?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
else I'll cry yeah in spite of yes.
I mean, I got on here.
I was like I feel like I needsome drugs.
Yeah, I don't have the juice.
Hang on.
I got to open my window becauseI'm having a hot flush talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Oh yeah, that's a topic, actually that one of our
friends and listeners has askedus to tackle right now or in the
future is the topic ofmenopause.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh yeah, so pre and Perry and Post and all the
things.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah, and so that was a really great segue,
moose, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You're welcome.
Yeah, our friend Jen Rodin, jenDePauloff, from the great state
of Minnesota now wrote in andencouraged us to talk about
Perry, menopause and all theweird shit that happens to our
body as our we start shuttingdown before death.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, or for death in order to die.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
In order to die.
Yeah, this is our body'spreparation for death, it's our
burial preparation.
Yes, no wonder nobody tells usabout it.
Like that's the biggest thing Iwant to say about this.
You know, midlife crisis and,oh my gosh, and the forties and
(03:45):
midlife and everything, and Ifeel like nobody older than me
has sat me down and said cat,there is impending doom that is
going to come upon you Upon andit is going to mess with every
system of your body.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean, that's about all I want to say about it.
Jen, you want to hear ourthoughts.
Let me tell you about it.
It's awful.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Please do.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Also well, and I think it is worth talking about,
and there's lots of informationout there that you have to sift
through.
But it is a whole thing,including mood and weight
changes and sleep problems andall those things.
But on top of that, you knowGod forbid that you have
(04:36):
bleeding insides and you have tohave all of your insides
removed and then you're juststraight in menopause, like the
child that you, my inner childthat you always describe, where
she's just crying and bleedingfrom the eyes.
Yeah, I think she's inside ofme bleeding.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And so, therefore, they're like oh, you don't have
any blood left.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You're just bone dry in there and I was like, oh well
, what do we do?
And they're like take it allout, and then you just have
menopause, which is the worstthing that's ever happened to me
, Just short of the hackingincident.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, and I would like to say, just short of
hacking and just short ofmenopause, one of the traumas
that a person can endure in lifeis when someone defines for
them what their inner childlooks like.
Oh yeah, that is trauma initself, god Right, and I think
that we need professional helpto undo that.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, no, I don't, I don't.
I feel like you know me wellenough to know what she looks
like.
I actually let me check in.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you'reright on that one.
She's like this goth littleeight year old that's like has
one of those switchblade combs.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like isn't allowed to really have a knife yet, but
yeah, she's bleeding from theeyes.
I was at this.
I was at this I almost said Iwas at this house last night,
but I was at this house with newfriends, which is shocking in
itself that I love the house,but with some new friends that
we've met and I don't know whatI was gonna tell you about that.
(06:20):
What was I gonna tell you?
Not?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
sure how do you make new friends?
Yeah, good question.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
We were talking about different enneagram types.
I don't know.
I only made these friendsthrough my one other friend
besides you, so I don't have ananswer for that, However.
So we were talking aboutenneagram types and I was trying
to explain it in enneagrameight and I talked about my own
hypervigilance and I just, youknow new friends you forget,
(06:49):
Like maybe you should let themlean into your dark humor a
little bit before you just dropit.
I was like yeah, I was likeexplaining it and you know, as
an enneagram eight, everything'sa bullet point.
There's never like a longanswer.
So I think my answer was yeah,I have a lot of hypervigilance.
I had a super chaotic childhoodso I don't remember much.
(07:09):
So you know, I'm just lookingfor everything that comes around
the corner to attack me, andthey were all like, oh, that's
interesting.
And then I was like this is whyI don't go out.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And is that all they said?
They just said, it's that'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, no, no, they were kind and wanted to know more.
And then I just threw out wordslike schizophrenic brother, and
you know I don't want to gointo it.
I just.
It's like deflections, like pow, pow, pow.
You know, like connection forme, I have a shield for
connection.
It's like, oh, you're trying toconnect with me, oh, I just I
just got it away.
(07:46):
So you know, I just ran fromconnection.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Isn't that how you make friends?
It sounds like.
How's that going for you, moose?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, they didn't kick me out, so I felt like it
was strong.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's fantastic.
That's great.
I'm excited for your newfriends to have you as a friend,
like lucky them.
That's awesome, I know, I agree.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So back to Perimenopause Just for a moment.
If you're a guy, definitelykeep listening, because you need
to learn what we go through.
I feel like that should be partof your penance, all right, so
Perimenopause.
You've got hot flashes andnight sweats, you have vaginal
dryness, you have uterinebleeding problems, you have
sleep disturbances, moodsymptoms and other problems.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I would like to say that I only have a couple of
those.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh, that's good.
Which do you have the uterinebleeding?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Or the vaginal dryness.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or the vaginal dryness.
No, just like the mood stuff,the mood stuff in the body
feeling weird, yeah, Like.
I saw someone post on Facebookthe other day something along
the lines of like I have nowentered into that phase in life
(09:04):
that no one told me about,called Perimenopause, where
everything feels like I'm goingto die.
Oh, yeah, and that's the thingthat I'm like.
Why do our elders not educateus better about this?
Because it's like you are goingto think you need to go to the
hospital or call an ambulance.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And it's.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
OK, you actually don't.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Actually I do.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I do.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I really do in my own way.
I'm like you better just checkeverything real quick.
Do you have an EKG on board?
Because that's what I need.
I mean, it does feel like that.
It does.
Yeah, okay, so let's break downyour questions.
First question why hasn'tanyone told us Because I think
we're the first generation to gowhat the fuck is going on with
my body.
(09:50):
Yeah, exactly, and that's so sad.
Think about it.
Our moms had so many otherissues.
They were just like trudgingthrough and not their issues.
Just like concerns is what Imean.
So I feel like we're the firstgeneration to go like can I and
maybe social media helps can Iraise my hand and ask what the
hell here is going on?
(10:10):
I apologize for all the cussing.
I blame it on the hacker.
By the way, I'm not normally acusser, but yes, it feels like
you have a full mood disorder.
I said to my therapist theother day.
I said I realized you're atherapist and not a psychiatrist
, and that's always a way toreally get them to lean in.
(10:32):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, y'all's gonna say how did that go?
Let me tell you the credentials.
You don't have to help me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, I guess my point was I followed it up with do you
think I have a mood disorder?
Am I bipolar?
Because it feels that way.
It feels like you're going mad.
What did she say?
No, she didn't think I did,which is great news.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It is good news.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But also kind of boring, because I love
investigating myself so I like alabel to smack on it so I can
go read and be like, yes, I havethat symptom and yes, See,
here's the thing is.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I have read a ton about it and nothing has felt
helpful to me.
Like the information, all thesymptoms you just listed.
It's like how does that help mewhen I, literally in my body,
feel like I'm about to losetouch with life itself?
Yeah, like, how does?
(11:35):
Like I'm not worried about thelevel of moisture in my downtown
area at that moment oh my gosh,you know, like, that's not what
I'm focused on, like I am in,like are we going to live or die
mode?
And it's like a really, reallyterrible way to feel.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, I can tell you, like all these I don't know if
you've seen this Instagram thing, but all these like female
celebrities I think June BarryMoore is one of them got
together and created thiscompany specifically focused on
Perry Menopause.
Really, yeah, I forget the nameof it, but we can look it up
and find out what that is.
It's called Ever Now.
Ever Now is the name of thatcompany, and then I saw Oprah
(12:19):
did an entire series on PerryMenopause and all of that.
The interesting part is I findthat it's a lot of this is what
happens, but I don't I'm withyou.
I don't find a lot of here'swhat to do about it.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's like oh, you feel like you're dying.
Oh, my God, do you want to callan ambulance?
You are, like I said the otherday, I'm like lonely one moment
and the next moment like getaway from me, I just want to be
alone.
And then, like three secondslater, I'm like where did
everyone go?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And they're like dead on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But they're yeah, but yeah, I'm with you.
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, what do we do?
Like I went to this websiteover the holidays and I found
that there's a place here inNashville that specifically
deals with menopause PerryMenopause, like all of this and
they were like, send us a note,we'll be back in touch with you.
And so I sent them a note and Iwas like, hey, here is my
(13:23):
entire life story as it relatesto my female reproductive system
and what is going on with me.
Can you help me?
And nothing, nothing, nothing.
They haven't written back.
Really, they haven't evenwritten back.
And so I'm like, man, it's justreally hard now to know that
there are people out there whohave created an entire
(13:44):
organization around this subjectand I just didn't know it.
And I'm like I want toapologize and say thank you to
our predecessors and our friendsolder than us for creating
something to potentially help uswith this.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
In my, in my what's the word Experience, in my
experience, but also in myinvestigation, I, via Google, I
learned what the recommendedamount of drinking, the amount
of alcohol per day isrecommended.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Oh, okay, you guys like to know that yeah.
I would love to know but yeah.
Okay, I mean, I'd like to knowif, if, if I can increase.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah right, I'm not sure about that, but moderate
alcohol use for healthy adultsgenerally means up to one drink
per day for women and up to twodrinks per day for men.
That just pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, you know what that's patriarchal information.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's patriarchal information from the Mayo Clinic
.
So that means one beer 12 fluidounces is all you should be
drinking at most per day, or oneglass of wine, five fluid
ounces, if you would likedistilled spirits otherwise
known as liquor.
That would be 1.5, which isabout a shot and a half.
So yeah, for those of you whoare deciding to have a dry
(15:11):
January, cheers and those whoaren't sorry to give you that
news.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, jen, just to answer your question, we also
have no help to offer youwhatsoever and we can just
commiserate about it.
And I think we will continue tocommiserate about it.
For me, when, when I get thatfeeling in my body of like the
hot flashes coming on, it feelsto me like a bit of a.
(15:42):
It's almost like a spiritualexperience.
It's like kind of a tingly,like oh, is this going to feel
like really nice in my toes andmy legs and my arms and all of
that.
And then I'm like oh, no, it'sthat.
And then comes like thesubsonic, supersonic wave of
(16:03):
dread that feels like this is aheart attack or a stroke or
something Like I'm dying rightnow.
Yes, like right now death isimpending and and I'm just sorry
, Jen, and all of our otherfriends out there that might be
going through this it is areally, really challenging way
for the body to feel, and I betthat in all of our studies, of
(16:27):
all the things that we've allbeen studying, we can probably
find some ways to support eachother during para and menopause.
So I'm going to make this acontinuing ongoing conversation
and study.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Did I tell you that my doctor um, he was talking
about hormone therapy and all ofthat.
And, for those who don't know,you get tested and then they
give you a little estrogen, alittle bit of testosterone.
But my, my doctor said thefollowing statement, and I don't
want to be held accountable forthis.
If anyone that um is shocked bythis, this is a quote from my
(17:02):
doctor.
I said how does thattestosterone work, may I ask?
And she said yeah, it comes ina little tube.
You can click one, two or threeon how much you want to actually
put on your body.
And it's like a lotion.
Okay, so I'm guessing, sinceit's testosterone, I should
probably just click one.
And she said, yeah, I wouldstart with one.
(17:23):
I said okay, and she said Iwill warn you, if you do
multiple three clicks, yourclitoris will enlarge and you
will grow hair all over yourbody.
And I just sat there looking ather like I was stuck on the
(17:44):
first part of it and juststaring and going like, oh, wow,
what is that Like?
How big, how big is it going toget?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
How big are we talking here?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
You know I wanted to Google it, but I also didn't
want that in my Google.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Right, I didn't, but now that you've been hacked,
maybe you should, maybe I shouldat this point.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So anyway, just a little tidbit.
If anyone wants to increasetheir size, testosterone is the
way.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Thank you, thank you.
This leads me to we are medicalpodcast.
Yes, yes, we are.
This leads me to a quote fromNapoleon dynamite, or actual
Napoleon, actual Napoleon.
He said never interrupt yourenemy when they are making a
mistake.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh, amen to that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
What was the stake?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I'm saying like if you click three times, oh
yeah, and you know, I mean thatmay or may not be a mistake.
I don't know, and you're not myenemy.
So it really is a terriblesegue in transition that I just
made, but I was trying.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, you were trying , and it doesn't matter where
you're going to go, because I'mgoing to keep us right here.
Here's my thing about warningslike that I think they should
put.
You know, you know how all theprescription ones on the
commercials would be like andthe following side effects could
happen You're going to die, youare going to have a rash in
between your legs, like I feellike that they should.
(19:12):
I feel like they should putthat warning that she shared
with me on that testosteronecompound.
Yeah, and just say, like youknow, like they do in the UK
with cigarettes, you know it haslike a child and their lungs
and it's like if you smoke this,you're killing everyone and
you're like I don't smoke these.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, Exactly, that is very.
That's very UK, very European.
Have you read the warning label?
Does it?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
does it say no, but I am going to Google.
I mean, it's for the podcast,so let's type in testosterone
Swollen, what's the word?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Swollen enlarged.
Oh my gosh Enlarge.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh, there's a lot of oh.
It says prostate, spleen,nipples, liver, thyroid prostate
, apparently pretty much thewhole body.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It enlarges your entire.
Test, tostra, enlarges yourentire body?
I guess so, but I don't wantany.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
This is when in in.
This is OK, mom, if this iswhat happens, but this is when I
think my mom goes.
You know, I don't want tolisten to the podcast anymore.
I want to turn on Christmasmusic.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, that's fine.
Yeah, it's fine mom, we allhave moments when it gets too
intense.
You know I turn off.
I turn off date line every oncein a while.
Yeah, doesn't mean it's notgood content, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And the thing that we just read you've kind of
already shared, so basically, Ithink we don't need to talk
about it anymore.
We can just say that that yourdoctor's warning was, according
to Google, a legitimate warning.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Correct.
I also don't understand why theprivate areas are so faux pas.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like that is a social issue, like it's just a part of
our body.
If I had an enlarged elbow, youwould tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, I would be able to see it OK that doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, good point, ok, moving on OK.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Since we are a medical podcast, I think that
also qualifies us as a sciencepodcast.
Is that right, correct, ok?
Well, someone asked me theother day, to which I did not
know the answer to this questionwhy is it that we experience
static electricity so much inthe winter?
Do you guys have any issueswith static electricity?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, I have been noticing that lately.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I don't know why, maybe because it's more dry.
Speaking of dryness, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
How did you notice it , sarah?
I've just noticed and maybeit's just that my clothes
haven't.
I don't know.
We use all the same things towash and dry our clothes, but
lately I've just even justfolding my clothes.
There's just been a ton ofstatic electricity and when I
get up and down from the couch Ifeel like my pants are just
like stuck to me and it's verystrange, yeah.
(22:04):
So what is it about?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It is strange, isn't it?
It is, and that's why I wascurious what your experience was
, because I've zapped myself ona couple of doorknobs and you
know, I went to kiss my dog theother day, on her nose, and we
had a little electric sparkbetween us and I felt like it
was very traumatizing to herbecause I was trying to show her
love and I think she wasanticipating love, and then she
(22:28):
got, you know, right, anyway.
So I did what I do, asProfessor Kat sometimes does I
went and did a deep dive and gotstuck in a very deep rabbit
hole of why static electricityhappens more in the winter than
it does in other months.
And first of all, what Ilearned is that static
electricity is basically whentwo different things, let's just
(22:54):
say two different materialsone's a doorknob and one's my
hand have got such an imbalanceof electrical charges that a
spark is created, energy iscreated to try and balance that
imbalance.
You know, the electrons, theprotons are just out of balance
and so it gets everything backinto balance.
(23:16):
So much like we've talked aboutnature is beautiful, like nature
is going to do everything itcan to create balance and the
reason that we experience morestatic electricity in the winter
than we do in the summer isbecause of humidity.
So you're exactly right.
Oh, wow, it is because waterhumidity, is a great conductor
(23:38):
of electricity.
So in the summertime, ifthere's an imbalance in charges
between my hand and the doorknob, there's so much humidity in
the air that that charge getsbalanced or dissipated without
any of us noticing, becausewater is a great conductor of
electricity, water beinghumidity, and in the wintertime
(24:00):
it's a lot more dry.
So it just makes sense thatthose, those imbalance charges
are trying to rebalance and theydon't have the humidity in the
air to work through that theynormally do.
So I felt that was kind of neat.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It is really neat.
Thank you, I miss.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Professor Kat, thank you, I know.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
She came back dormant into 2024.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Welcome back, Professor Kat.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So I have a question about life, and this electricity
ties into it.
So my question is at what pointdo you know that you should
surrender or keep going?
I was talking to my friendMegan about this this weekend
and I took a drive to my almamater, murray State University
(24:51):
in Murray, kentucky.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's right, sorry, I went to school the old gray
horsey, hey what she used to be.
It's the old gray mare hey whatshe used to be Old gray mare.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Old gray mare.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
She ain't what she used to be.
Ain't what she used to be.
Ain't what she used to be.
Ain't what she used to be?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Is that your?
Is that the your college's song?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, sir, butchering it right now, but hey, hey.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I only learned it this weekend.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Anyway, I was there and I was like I was taking a
walk and inspired by my 20something year old self that was
on that campus and like all ofthe hopes and dreams, I mean,
it's very emotional for me.
I will say that, like I was, Ifelt like the breath was taken
out of my chest a few timesbecause I was thinking about,
(25:42):
like, that kid, who was lessbroken than this kid, is today
Right.
And anyway I was like okay.
So I looked at Sarah and I justsaid, all right, so if I'm
really in the flow, if I'm inthe river and not holding on to
every branch that goes by orgrabbing at it, and I'm just
like, all right, legs up, justletting it roll, then does that
(26:06):
look like when you've beenhacked and part of the hacking
has been losing all of mycompany's websites which I know
you did as well, kat and likehaving to start over in some
ways, barely doing that, but oneof those being, you know a
store that I've spent a lot of,the e-commerce store, archie
Montana, that I've spent a lotof time on, and Sarah has too.
(26:27):
And I just said I was like okay, so does surrender look like
going?
All right, like you said, kat,the scorched earth thing of like
I'll just start over, butbigger than that, could that be
the universe saying this is over, this is over, this is over,
(26:51):
and I'm actually removing itfrom your purview so that you
can keep moving Like this islike, is that being in the flow?
Or do I go hard and like youknow which I?
You really can't fight thesepeople and you know and be like
I'm going to rebuild and I'mgoing to go spend another 300
(27:13):
hours building this website andthis company, like that is my
question.
What do you guys feel aboutthat?
Like, how do you know when tokeep going or persevering and
when to go?
This isn't working.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, man, I mean, I feel like if there is a quote,
unquote right answer to thatquestion and if we are to
discover it as part of thispodcast that we're going to,
we're going to like win thelottery.
Yeah, you know, it's like itfeels like it's a really, really
great question and I don't knowif there's a right answer.
(27:48):
I know, I know what myexperience has been.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
What is your experience?
Well, not even with the hacking, but in general, like what is
the trigger for you guys whenyou go?
The season is over, whateverthat season or whatever that the
struggle is.
You know, like, when do you go?
Man, I gave it my damn dust andit's okay, but it's not here
(28:17):
anymore, it's not meant for meanymore.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Sadly.
Sadly, I have found that, whileI do feel like I have really
good intuition and I feel like Ikind of can sense when it's
like this thing is is about toshift, or this thing is about to
change or this thing is aboutto just die, whatever it is, it
still usually takes somethingpretty dramatic to shut it down.
(28:42):
For me, even if everythinginside of me is like, like you
know, this season is over, thisthing is done.
And it's like I'm like, yeah,but yeah, but you know.
And it's like I also feel likethere's this really fine line
between if I were to be anydifferent than that.
(29:03):
It's like I feel like I wouldnot be doing enough, like I
would not be efforting enoughand I think there is some effort
required.
You know, it's like a friend ofmine says all the time that
like it's her goal to not effort, and I always kind of judge
that and I go like, but why like?
Why would you not at least try,like, why would you not do the
(29:25):
thing?
And I wondered the other dayand I need to ask her this I
wonder if what she meant is whatyou're talking about.
Is it just letting oneself flowin the river and that's the
only efforting?
That I don't know.
It's a very, very hard question, sarah.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I mean honestly, like I have been trying to figure it
out too, and I don't know thatthere is a figuring it out.
I think it's what we've beensaying all along.
It just is.
And how do we accept that?
I don't like that.
But wait, moose, you weretalking about this the other day
.
Let me see if I could try toremember.
We were talking about ourperception of reality.
(30:08):
I think it factors into ouremotion and how we feel, more
than the actual thing.
I know what you're talkingabout, so, yeah, maybe you could
say it better.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, I was referring to Byron Katie's work, yeah,
and this idea of like I'm notgoing to get it right probably,
but her philosophy is basicallythat as long as you can come to
terms with reality and facereality, all the feelings and
emotions and all of that areoften the story we create around
(30:43):
that reality.
And kind of the way out is justto look at reality, try and
pull back your emotions, createperspective, all the things we
talk about.
But I've seen her.
If you don't know Byron Katie'swork, it's really incredible.
I've seen her on a Zoom, walkpeople through a big situation
(31:07):
like an issue between adaughter-in-law and a
mother-in-law or something likethat.
And it's a legitimate thingsomebody is wound up about and
she can just separate theemotion from them, help them
separate the emotion and just goOK.
But what is really happeningit's our reaction often to other
(31:29):
people's emotions and all thesedifferent things.
So that's very hard to pullthat out.
But I think it is a healthything just to look at something
and go is this really against meor is it?
And there are plenty of thingsthat I think are legitimate.
But yeah, sometimes I'm like ifI just saw reality for what it
is.
I think I would say to myselfwe're done here, we're done here
(31:53):
, let's pack it up, let's packanother bag and go somewhere
else.
But I think it's also we haveidentity caught up in so much.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Well, and I think too that like and this goes back to
at least my understanding ofTaoist philosophy and the whole
idea of yin yang or yin yang,depending on how you pronounce
it is that sometimes I don'tthink that it's just life or
death.
It's not like the season isover, pack your bags and be done
(32:28):
.
It's like OK, well, what if theseason is about to change?
Like what if it's fall movinginto winter?
What if it's winter moving intospring?
What if it's spring?
Blah, blah, blah.
You know like that whole and Iread another quote this morning
from DaVinci that said naturenever breaks her own laws.
Oh, wow, and it kind ofreminded me of that.
(32:49):
Like the seasons are justhappening, like we don't get to
really choose, and maybe that isin the flow and so maybe it's
like it's like just going OK,like I'm going to be more and
more willing to adapt to theseasons, to adapt to my reality.
I don't know it's very, very,very poignant life question
moves.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
If listeners could please give us free therapy.
Help us.
Don't have any email address orphone number.
We don't have any money.
We don't have any money, sodon't hack us.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm not as Annex, I gave it all away.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Please send us good vibes and answers to all of our
questions.
Yeah, that would be great, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So I would like to pose a life question now, Moose,
since you have taken us on thisFibonacci spiral of doom and
hell.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I.
The first question that I have,though, before I ask this
question, is what was yourmotivation for going to your old
Alma mater?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Hmm, great question.
Um, I needed to get the hellout of Nashville for a minute
and I was dealing with all ofthis hacking stuff and I don't
know.
It just popped in my head to goback and to walk the campus and
it was cold and all that.
But like it was special, like Icalled my roommate from college
(34:13):
who is one of my closestfriends, megan, and I felt like
she, like she had the breathtaken out of her too.
I didn't tell her I was goingand I just like turned on
FaceTime.
It was like some of the bestyears of our lives, you know,
and I was telling Sarah, whodidn't have a chance to go into
college but didn't have a chanceto have like the on campus
experience, and like I was likeI wish you could have had that,
(34:37):
like it was totally.
It was so wild Like I I didn'tdrink in college or any of that
it was just like such anincredible time of my life to
discover who I was and ask a lotof questions and felt safe and
a safe environment to do all ofthat.
So I don't know, I think it waslike kind of my spirit calling
(35:01):
me there, you know to, to kindof remember, if you will.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It feels very in the flow and very in the river.
That you responded to that,yeah, that's really wonderful.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
It was really special to me and and you know I hadn't
been back in like 15 years,even though it's only about two
and a half hour drive from whereI live now.
But yeah, it was.
It was good to remember andvery emotional too to be like,
oh man, like I used to be morethis way and I'm less that way
(35:32):
now.
Does that, is that bad or isthat just different?
You know what I mean.
And to kind of work throughsome of those questions how did
that go.
Um, I think what I walked awaywith on that trip was, um, like
I want to have that kind ofconfidence number one that I had
(35:56):
back then, but also number twoI want to.
Um, I want to believe.
Like I kept remembering all mydreams, you know, like I stood
outside of the fine artsbuilding and I was like I spent
so much time here doing radioand television and script
writing and all these things andI wanted so badly to be a
(36:17):
documentary maker, like that wasmy whole thing, and I just
stood there going like I canstill make a documentary.
And that may not still be mydream, but you know, just
because my uterus is bleedingdoesn't mean mine doesn't live
inside of me anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Um, it's still out there bleeding somewhere.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I guess the moral of the story is I'm not dead yet is
really what I want to live.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
That is something that I, for one, can say that
I'm really glad about.
I'm really really glad you'renot dead yet.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh my God, the EKG machine still beeping, beep,
beep, beep.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
It's still got a nice and steady pulse.
Yeah, it does.
Well, I love that you did thatand I love that it sounds like
it was a really great experienceand an emotional experience and
one that, like, helped you kindof touch base with part of you
that that you've been searchingfor.
That's really, that's reallycool.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Um, but you didn't ask me the question, yeah, the,
the, the live question.
And and this is more of justlike, I would like for you to
pontificate on this phrase youcan either be a host to God or a
hostage to your ego.
I love it, I love it.
I'm going to sit with it for aminute.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Um, I guess something I want to say about that is and
we talk about this all the timeon the podcast, but I think
it's important to emphasize thatum, I think our souls are holy.
Um, sarah, do you remember thatphrase that we shared yesterday
(38:18):
?
We were talking about, and itwas about how our souls long for
contentment and peace.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Hmm, it was a card I pulled from the Sarah sidleman
cards, but I don't have it infront of me right now.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Don't worry about it.
The whole idea was that, evenwhen we can't get along with
others, we have to remember thateveryone's soul longs for
companionship and love and peaceand all the things that you
know like.
And it's our ego on top of thatthat makes us all the crazy.
Um, but to to that quote thatyou said, kat.
I think I've been thinkingabout this.
(38:58):
I think our souls are actuallyholy.
It's our ego that does all thedamage.
And I would go even as far asto say like we don't give our
souls enough credit, because Ithink they are divine.
If God is inside of us, it'snot like it's a little God
sprinkled on our soul, it's like, no, that came from the source.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You know yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And so how I try and separate ego from soul all the
time.
Like that's what I want to do,but is that my sole purpose, or
is it just something I want tochase because it's my ego?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, that's really, that's really profound.
Sarah, how does it hit you?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I mentioned those Sarah sidleman cards and we do
this all the time where we'llpick three and then just see
what message it gives.
But one of mine had to do withthat and it was talking about
caring for others and how we allmeet at the soul level.
And at the soul level, everyone of us wants love and
(40:03):
belonging.
You know, just like, and it'slike, oh my gosh, like, trying
to think of that and how wetreat people that annoy us or
people that are whatever youknow, the people in your life.
We can all think of one or many, I'm sure, and I've been
sitting with the thought a lotbecause it makes me think of,
like I don't know, we all havesiblings.
So remember when you were kidand, let's just say, you were
(40:26):
like mistreating your siblingand you thought no one was
watching, but like then your momwas watching or something, and
you're like, oh, I was, you know, and it's like I almost wonder
if I started treating people asif God or whatever somebody's
watching.
Like would I want somebody to.
You know, see me being rude orreacting, you know, it's just
(40:49):
which is like a total, maybe areally simple practice, but also
like super profound, becauseit's very hard to act on that.
You know, our natural reactionis to be annoyed, to be
perturbed, whatever, and that'sprobably because there's
something in ourself that wedon't like, that we see in them,
mm, hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Mm, hmm, always, every single damn time, yeah,
every time.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I mean, that's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I mean, every time my sister annoys me, it's because
I do the exact same thing.
Huh, and it's taken me eightmillion years to see that.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
My nephew, my oldest nephew.
I have two, one is 12 and oneis five.
And the 12 year old Asked me hesaid Auntie, did my mom get on
your nerves really bad when youguys and I like looked at him
and I immediately thought oflike three or four different
(41:46):
scenes like from our childhoodwhere my sister and I got
Invites and but I also wanted tolike really carefully answer
his question, like I didn't justwant to go yes, and that gives
him carte blanche to be annoyedby his little brother.
And then, you know right, thethe war is over, you know.
And so I said to him and I said, you know, I said there, there
were times where your mom really, really annoyed me when we were
(42:10):
growing up.
And I said in one thing that Ididn't really think about and I
would be curious for you tothink about this is how annoying
was I to her?
Yeah, growing up.
And he just shook his head.
He's like no, no, no, that'snot what I mean.
And I was like no, I know, it'snot what you mean.
You're trying to tell me yourlittle brother's bugging you and
(42:31):
you want that to be legitimized.
It's legit, like siblings bugyou, you know, and you probably
bug him too.
So, like, just hold that with alittle bit of kindness and
patience and love, because Eventhough you feel like you're the
one being annoyed like you, youare also probably annoying, you
(42:53):
know yeah, I feel like we needlike a intro to earth Class when
like about his age.
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Like when you start your brain starting to pick up
on things, you're starting to go.
Am I the only one experiencingthis?
We need like a soul class to go.
All right, here's what's up.
Y'all aren't from this earth.
You are.
You are divine spirits.
However, all your family areSplit personalities of you that
(43:24):
you're gonna have to workthrough in order to learn, in
order to Go to the next level orstay in heaven, or whatever it
is you want.
You chose to come here.
So now this is your battle andyou have choices.
You know, I feel like that wouldbe really helpful, because
otherwise Sometimes it gets sooverwhelming that like, oh, life
is just happening to me and Idon't have choices which
(43:48):
sometimes it feels that way.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Uh-huh, you know.
Yeah, I kind of wonder if thatclass is called our bodies.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, I think you're right, cat I do but who in the
hell teaches?
Us.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Right, yeah, our body work therapists after we're in
our late 40s and need to spendthe rest of our life Unlearning
everything we've done wrong.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I know and we're dry down there and everything.
I mean I don't have thatproblem, but I read it.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, it was definitely a Google problem.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, and we need like an earth class, and you're
right, like it's kind of likethe map up Of how to get to all
of the learning is is our body,mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and we're afraid
to touch it, and yet we are init?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, it is.
So it is all around.
Like you know, it's a veryinteresting, a very interesting
little Diacotomy that's going onthere.
I'm curious, definitely.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
They say that you get to choose your like, your life,
like your body.
Actually, did you know that?
Like the soul people?
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I mean, I know you've told me that and I don't.
It's not that I don't believeit.
I am mad that I don't haverecollection of making these
choices, it's but maybe okay.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
But maybe your choices were like this beautiful
body you have, or like, I don'tknow, maybe your day this was a
really good choice and thewhole point of you learning is
to love what you have.
Am I teaching a body worker?
(45:31):
I think I think so good.
That's the kind of podcast weare.
We may be credentialed inthings, but we have no idea how
we got there.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
But the journey sure has some fun spots and we like
to talk about it together.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
What else is going on , you guys?
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Nothing work started this week.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, yeah, I think that's probably the.
The biggest challenge for me islike reentry.
I have really, in some ways,I've really enjoyed this holiday
.
I feel like the last majorholiday is when I got hacked,
the 4th of July.
It was July 2nd when I got.
Yeah and and and so I feel like,even though it's not happening
(46:18):
to me right now, I still feel somuch empathy and sympathy and
hmm, and just Pain for you guysgoing through that, especially
with the loss of the, thepodcast website and the store
website.
You guys have worked so hard onArchie Montana and so I think
(46:39):
like re-entering into like whatdoes life look like now that I
have to like Focus on thingsother than just caring about my
friends and just being, you know, loving and wonderful and
bringing in enough firewood forthe fireplace each night.
You know it's like now I've gotto like be responsible and do
things and be accountable topeople and generate revenue and
(47:02):
have hard conversations and, youknow, really put my brain to
the test, and so I'm having alittle bit of hard time with
reentry, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, I am too.
I heard Somebody at the gymthis morning talking about
getting back to work and they'relike, yeah, I'm kind of ready,
and I was like who are you andwhat do you do for a living?
You know, because I'm into andit's not that I I do like the
routine and all the things and Iknow that it is what it is.
But yeah, I just feel a littlebit overwhelmed walking into it.
(47:35):
Yeah, but I'm just gonna trustit.
I'm gonna stop grab and hold ofthe limbs on the side of the
river and just let go nice nice.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I like that and at the same time, is it like that
you know that saying where?
It's like I was caught in aflood and a boat came by and
offered me a ride, and thehelicopter came by and Offered
me a lift and I died.
And I said to God I'm so madthat I died, you didn't help me.
And he's like yes, I did, Isent you a boat in the
helicopter.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
I set a hacker your way and you didn't pay attention
.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Well, it's like.
Are the limbs that, though?
Like?
Are the limbs like?
Are they meant to be graspedaponts, or are they meant?
Are we meant to just like the?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
problem is is I'm stuck in like a beaver dam and
they're eating me alive.
So this is less about Sarahjust tied her headphone wire
around her neck.
Is that mean that we're done?
I think that.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
I think that symbolism has done its job.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We're gonna try not to get caught in the branches
y'all.
Hey, we can.
We can still put this podcastout, and that's what matters.
So thank you guys for all ofyour warm wishes and kindness
and we hope you have a wonderfulstart to your new year.
Happy new year we love you.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Happy new year.
Happy new year.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Special thanks to our producer Sarah.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Reed.
To find out more, go to Kat andMoose podcastcom Kat and Moose
is a BP production.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Kat and I'm Moose , this is the True Life podcast,
where we explore the quirks ofbeing human.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Okay, Well, happy new year, Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey Kat, happy new year, holy shit.
Happy new year and holy shit,yes, yeah man.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So.
So a friend of mine went to seeher family for the Christmas
holidays and asked me if I hadany Xanax that she could borrow.
Just borrow.
Like she's going to give it back, just borrow, like just in case
I need it, type thing.
And so I put a few of them in,a little like medicines and
black baggy thing that I have,and I just wrote holy shit on
(00:51):
the outside and I said, if youfeel this way at all in your
body while you're gone, pleaseutilize this disease.
And we have laughed about it somany times, about how it's like
things just feel like holy shit.
So is that legal, kat?
Oh it, completely not.
I'm sure I've just lost everylicense and credential that I
(01:11):
have.
Could we unedit all of that,sarah?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, no.
Also, I see that as sort oflike subletting your apartment
you know what I mean Like I haveto admit that there have been
times where I haven't gotten mylife.
I've been sexapro filled and Imay have dabbled in Sarah's so,
but we don't condone this, guys.
(01:35):
We're not encouraging you tobring pills to a party and put
them in a hat and choose them.
We're not, do we're notencouraging that?
Nope, not at all.
I didn't know you had Xanax toshare.
Can I borrow one?
Give out your number for anyonethat needs it, even after the
holidays ią.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I love you guys.
I'm gonna pay $6.
That's me to get one.
We got paid aJAITI Sounds �er,it's like six tomatoes and it's
going to be our family business.
So take that job.
Let me tell you also there arevideos down there, are they not?
Yeah, I do have anything topublish, so I just, if you're
(02:24):
sort of in, yeah, the freaking.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I love that you're laughing about it.
Is that kind of one of thoselike I'm going to laugh, or?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
else I'll cry yeah in spite of yes.
I mean, I got on here.
I was like I feel like I needsome drugs.
Yeah, I don't have the juice.
Hang on.
I got to open my window becauseI'm having a hot flush talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Oh yeah, that's a topic, actually that one of our
friends and listeners has askedus to tackle right now or in the
future is the topic ofmenopause.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh yeah, so pre and Perry and Post and all the
things.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah, and so that was a really great segue,
moose, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You're welcome.
Yeah, our friend Jen Rodin, jenDePauloff, from the great state
of Minnesota now wrote in andencouraged us to talk about
Perry, menopause and all theweird shit that happens to our
body as our we start shuttingdown before death.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, or for death in order to die.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
In order to die.
Yeah, this is our body'spreparation for death, it's our
burial preparation.
Yes, no wonder nobody tells usabout it.
Like that's the biggest thing Iwant to say about this.
You know, midlife crisis and,oh my gosh, and the forties and
(03:45):
midlife and everything, and Ifeel like nobody older than me
has sat me down and said cat,there is impending doom that is
going to come upon you Upon andit is going to mess with every
system of your body.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean, that's about all I want to say about it.
Jen, you want to hear ourthoughts.
Let me tell you about it.
It's awful.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Please do.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Also well, and I think it is worth talking about,
and there's lots of informationout there that you have to sift
through.
But it is a whole thing,including mood and weight
changes and sleep problems andall those things.
But on top of that, you knowGod forbid that you have
(04:36):
bleeding insides and you have tohave all of your insides
removed and then you're juststraight in menopause, like the
child that you, my inner childthat you always describe, where
she's just crying and bleedingfrom the eyes.
Yeah, I think she's inside ofme bleeding.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And so, therefore, they're like oh, you don't have
any blood left.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You're just bone dry in there and I was like, oh well
, what do we do?
And they're like take it allout, and then you just have
menopause, which is the worstthing that's ever happened to me
, Just short of the hackingincident.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, and I would like to say, just short of
hacking and just short ofmenopause, one of the traumas
that a person can endure in lifeis when someone defines for
them what their inner childlooks like.
Oh yeah, that is trauma initself, god Right, and I think
that we need professional helpto undo that.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well, no, I don't, I don't.
I feel like you know me wellenough to know what she looks
like.
I actually let me check in.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you'reright on that one.
She's like this goth littleeight year old that's like has
one of those switchblade combs.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like isn't allowed to really have a knife yet, but
yeah, she's bleeding from theeyes.
I was at this.
I was at this I almost said Iwas at this house last night,
but I was at this house with newfriends, which is shocking in
itself that I love the house,but with some new friends that
we've met and I don't know whatI was gonna tell you about that.
(06:20):
What was I gonna tell you?
Not?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
sure how do you make new friends?
Yeah, good question.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
We were talking about different enneagram types.
I don't know.
I only made these friendsthrough my one other friend
besides you, so I don't have ananswer for that, However.
So we were talking aboutenneagram types and I was trying
to explain it in enneagrameight and I talked about my own
hypervigilance and I just, youknow new friends you forget,
(06:49):
Like maybe you should let themlean into your dark humor a
little bit before you just dropit.
I was like yeah, I was likeexplaining it and you know, as
an enneagram eight, everything'sa bullet point.
There's never like a longanswer.
So I think my answer was yeah,I have a lot of hypervigilance.
I had a super chaotic childhoodso I don't remember much.
(07:09):
So you know, I'm just lookingfor everything that comes around
the corner to attack me, andthey were all like, oh, that's
interesting.
And then I was like this is whyI don't go out.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
And is that all they said?
They just said, it's that'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, no, no, they were kind and wanted to know more.
And then I just threw out wordslike schizophrenic brother, and
you know I don't want to gointo it.
I just.
It's like deflections, like pow, pow, pow.
You know, like connection forme, I have a shield for
connection.
It's like, oh, you're trying toconnect with me, oh, I just I
just got it away.
(07:46):
So you know, I just ran fromconnection.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Isn't that how you make friends?
It sounds like.
How's that going for you, moose?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I mean, they didn't kick me out, so I felt like it
was strong.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's fantastic.
That's great.
I'm excited for your newfriends to have you as a friend,
like lucky them.
That's awesome, I know, I agree.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So back to Perimenopause Just for a moment.
If you're a guy, definitelykeep listening, because you need
to learn what we go through.
I feel like that should be partof your penance, all right, so
Perimenopause.
You've got hot flashes andnight sweats, you have vaginal
dryness, you have uterinebleeding problems, you have
sleep disturbances, moodsymptoms and other problems.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I would like to say that I only have a couple of
those.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Oh, that's good.
Which do you have the uterinebleeding?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Or the vaginal dryness.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Or the vaginal dryness.
No, just like the mood stuff,the mood stuff in the body
feeling weird, yeah, Like.
I saw someone post on Facebookthe other day something along
the lines of like I have nowentered into that phase in life
(09:04):
that no one told me about,called Perimenopause, where
everything feels like I'm goingto die.
Oh, yeah, and that's the thingthat I'm like.
Why do our elders not educateus better about this?
Because it's like you are goingto think you need to go to the
hospital or call an ambulance.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And it's.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
OK, you actually don't.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Actually I do.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I do.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I really do in my own way.
I'm like you better just checkeverything real quick.
Do you have an EKG on board?
Because that's what I need.
I mean, it does feel like that.
It does.
Yeah, okay, so let's break downyour questions.
First question why hasn'tanyone told us Because I think
we're the first generation to gowhat the fuck is going on with
my body.
(09:50):
Yeah, exactly, and that's so sad.
Think about it.
Our moms had so many otherissues.
They were just like trudgingthrough and not their issues.
Just like concerns is what Imean.
So I feel like we're the firstgeneration to go like can I and
maybe social media helps can Iraise my hand and ask what the
hell here is going on?
(10:10):
I apologize for all the cussing.
I blame it on the hacker.
By the way, I'm not normally acusser, but yes, it feels like
you have a full mood disorder.
I said to my therapist theother day.
I said I realized you're atherapist and not a psychiatrist
, and that's always a way toreally get them to lean in.
(10:32):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, y'all's gonna say how did that go?
Let me tell you the credentials.
You don't have to help me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
No, I guess my point was I followed it up with do you
think I have a mood disorder?
Am I bipolar?
Because it feels that way.
It feels like you're going mad.
What did she say?
No, she didn't think I did,which is great news.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It is good news.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But also kind of boring, because I love
investigating myself so I like alabel to smack on it so I can
go read and be like, yes, I havethat symptom and yes, See,
here's the thing is.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I have read a ton about it and nothing has felt
helpful to me.
Like the information, all thesymptoms you just listed.
It's like how does that help mewhen I, literally in my body,
feel like I'm about to losetouch with life itself?
Yeah, like, how does?
(11:35):
Like I'm not worried about thelevel of moisture in my downtown
area at that moment oh my gosh,you know, like, that's not what
I'm focused on, like I am in,like are we going to live or die
mode?
And it's like a really, reallyterrible way to feel.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, I can tell you, like all these I don't know if
you've seen this Instagram thing, but all these like female
celebrities I think June BarryMoore is one of them got
together and created thiscompany specifically focused on
Perry Menopause.
Really, yeah, I forget the nameof it, but we can look it up
and find out what that is.
It's called Ever Now.
Ever Now is the name of thatcompany, and then I saw Oprah
(12:19):
did an entire series on PerryMenopause and all of that.
The interesting part is I findthat it's a lot of this is what
happens, but I don't I'm withyou.
I don't find a lot of here'swhat to do about it.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
It's like oh, you feel like you're dying.
Oh, my God, do you want to callan ambulance?
You are, like I said the otherday, I'm like lonely one moment
and the next moment like getaway from me, I just want to be
alone.
And then, like three secondslater, I'm like where did
everyone go?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And they're like dead on the ground.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But they're yeah, but yeah, I'm with you.
What do we do?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, what do we do?
Like I went to this websiteover the holidays and I found
that there's a place here inNashville that specifically
deals with menopause PerryMenopause, like all of this and
they were like, send us a note,we'll be back in touch with you.
And so I sent them a note and Iwas like, hey, here is my
(13:23):
entire life story as it relatesto my female reproductive system
and what is going on with me.
Can you help me?
And nothing, nothing, nothing.
They haven't written back.
Really, they haven't evenwritten back.
And so I'm like, man, it's justreally hard now to know that
there are people out there whohave created an entire
(13:44):
organization around this subjectand I just didn't know it.
And I'm like I want toapologize and say thank you to
our predecessors and our friendsolder than us for creating
something to potentially help uswith this.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
In my, in my what's the word Experience, in my
experience, but also in myinvestigation, I, via Google, I
learned what the recommendedamount of drinking, the amount
of alcohol per day isrecommended.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Oh, okay, you guys like to know that yeah.
I would love to know but yeah.
Okay, I mean, I'd like to knowif, if, if I can increase.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah right, I'm not sure about that, but moderate
alcohol use for healthy adultsgenerally means up to one drink
per day for women and up to twodrinks per day for men.
That just pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, you know what that's patriarchal information.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's patriarchal information from the Mayo Clinic
.
So that means one beer 12 fluidounces is all you should be
drinking at most per day, or oneglass of wine, five fluid
ounces, if you would likedistilled spirits otherwise
known as liquor.
That would be 1.5, which isabout a shot and a half.
So yeah, for those of you whoare deciding to have a dry
(15:11):
January, cheers and those whoaren't sorry to give you that
news.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, jen, just to answer your question, we also
have no help to offer youwhatsoever and we can just
commiserate about it.
And I think we will continue tocommiserate about it.
For me, when, when I get thatfeeling in my body of like the
hot flashes coming on, it feelsto me like a bit of a.
(15:42):
It's almost like a spiritualexperience.
It's like kind of a tingly,like oh, is this going to feel
like really nice in my toes andmy legs and my arms and all of
that.
And then I'm like oh, no, it'sthat.
And then comes like thesubsonic, supersonic wave of
(16:03):
dread that feels like this is aheart attack or a stroke or
something Like I'm dying rightnow.
Yes, like right now death isimpending and and I'm just sorry
, Jen, and all of our otherfriends out there that might be
going through this it is areally, really challenging way
for the body to feel, and I betthat in all of our studies, of
(16:27):
all the things that we've allbeen studying, we can probably
find some ways to support eachother during para and menopause.
So I'm going to make this acontinuing ongoing conversation
and study.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Did I tell you that my doctor um, he was talking
about hormone therapy and all ofthat.
And, for those who don't know,you get tested and then they
give you a little estrogen, alittle bit of testosterone.
But my, my doctor said thefollowing statement, and I don't
want to be held accountable forthis.
If anyone that um is shocked bythis, this is a quote from my
(17:02):
doctor.
I said how does thattestosterone work, may I ask?
And she said yeah, it comes ina little tube.
You can click one, two or threeon how much you want to actually
put on your body.
And it's like a lotion.
Okay, so I'm guessing, sinceit's testosterone, I should
probably just click one.
And she said, yeah, I wouldstart with one.
(17:23):
I said okay, and she said Iwill warn you, if you do
multiple three clicks, yourclitoris will enlarge and you
will grow hair all over yourbody.
And I just sat there looking ather like I was stuck on the
(17:44):
first part of it and juststaring and going like, oh, wow,
what is that Like?
How big, how big is it going toget?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
How big are we talking here?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
You know I wanted to Google it, but I also didn't
want that in my Google.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Right, I didn't, but now that you've been hacked,
maybe you should, maybe I shouldat this point.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So anyway, just a little tidbit.
If anyone wants to increasetheir size, testosterone is the
way.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Thank you, thank you.
This leads me to we are medicalpodcast.
Yes, yes, we are.
This leads me to a quote fromNapoleon dynamite, or actual
Napoleon, actual Napoleon.
He said never interrupt yourenemy when they are making a
mistake.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh, amen to that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
What was the stake?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I'm saying like if you click three times, oh
yeah, and you know, I mean thatmay or may not be a mistake.
I don't know, and you're not myenemy.
So it really is a terriblesegue in transition that I just
made, but I was trying.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, you were trying , and it doesn't matter where
you're going to go, because I'mgoing to keep us right here.
Here's my thing about warningslike that I think they should
put.
You know, you know how all theprescription ones on the
commercials would be like andthe following side effects could
happen You're going to die, youare going to have a rash in
between your legs, like I feellike that they should.
(19:12):
I feel like they should putthat warning that she shared
with me on that testosteronecompound.
Yeah, and just say, like youknow, like they do in the UK
with cigarettes, you know it haslike a child and their lungs
and it's like if you smoke this,you're killing everyone and
you're like I don't smoke these.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, Exactly, that is very.
That's very UK, very European.
Have you read the warning label?
Does it?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
does it say no, but I am going to Google.
I mean, it's for the podcast,so let's type in testosterone
Swollen, what's the word?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Swollen enlarged.
Oh my gosh Enlarge.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh, there's a lot of oh.
It says prostate, spleen,nipples, liver, thyroid prostate
, apparently pretty much thewhole body.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It enlarges your entire.
Test, tostra, enlarges yourentire body?
I guess so, but I don't wantany.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
This is when in in.
This is OK, mom, if this iswhat happens, but this is when I
think my mom goes.
You know, I don't want tolisten to the podcast anymore.
I want to turn on Christmasmusic.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, that's fine.
Yeah, it's fine mom, we allhave moments when it gets too
intense.
You know I turn off.
I turn off date line every oncein a while.
Yeah, doesn't mean it's notgood content, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And the thing that we just read you've kind of
already shared, so basically, Ithink we don't need to talk
about it anymore.
We can just say that that yourdoctor's warning was, according
to Google, a legitimate warning.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Correct.
I also don't understand why theprivate areas are so faux pas.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like that is a social issue, like it's just a part of
our body.
If I had an enlarged elbow, youwould tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, I would be able to see it OK that doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, good point, ok, moving on OK.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Since we are a medical podcast, I think that
also qualifies us as a sciencepodcast.
Is that right, correct, ok?
Well, someone asked me theother day, to which I did not
know the answer to this questionwhy is it that we experience
static electricity so much inthe winter?
Do you guys have any issueswith static electricity?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, I have been noticing that lately.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I don't know why, maybe because it's more dry.
Speaking of dryness, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
How did you notice it , sarah?
I've just noticed and maybeit's just that my clothes
haven't.
I don't know.
We use all the same things towash and dry our clothes, but
lately I've just even justfolding my clothes.
There's just been a ton ofstatic electricity and when I
get up and down from the couch Ifeel like my pants are just
like stuck to me and it's verystrange, yeah.
(22:04):
So what is it about?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It is strange, isn't it?
It is, and that's why I wascurious what your experience was
, because I've zapped myself ona couple of doorknobs and you
know, I went to kiss my dog theother day, on her nose, and we
had a little electric sparkbetween us and I felt like it
was very traumatizing to herbecause I was trying to show her
love and I think she wasanticipating love, and then she
(22:28):
got, you know, right, anyway.
So I did what I do, asProfessor Kat sometimes does I
went and did a deep dive and gotstuck in a very deep rabbit
hole of why static electricityhappens more in the winter than
it does in other months.
And first of all, what Ilearned is that static
electricity is basically whentwo different things, let's just
(22:54):
say two different materialsone's a doorknob and one's my
hand have got such an imbalanceof electrical charges that a
spark is created, energy iscreated to try and balance that
imbalance.
You know, the electrons, theprotons are just out of balance
and so it gets everything backinto balance.
(23:16):
So much like we've talked aboutnature is beautiful, like nature
is going to do everything itcan to create balance and the
reason that we experience morestatic electricity in the winter
than we do in the summer isbecause of humidity.
So you're exactly right.
Oh, wow, it is because waterhumidity, is a great conductor
(23:38):
of electricity.
So in the summertime, ifthere's an imbalance in charges
between my hand and the doorknob, there's so much humidity in
the air that that charge getsbalanced or dissipated without
any of us noticing, becausewater is a great conductor of
electricity, water beinghumidity, and in the wintertime
(24:00):
it's a lot more dry.
So it just makes sense thatthose, those imbalance charges
are trying to rebalance and theydon't have the humidity in the
air to work through that theynormally do.
So I felt that was kind of neat.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It is really neat.
Thank you, I miss.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Professor Kat, thank you, I know.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
She came back dormant into 2024.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Welcome back, Professor Kat.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So I have a question about life, and this electricity
ties into it.
So my question is at what pointdo you know that you should
surrender or keep going?
I was talking to my friendMegan about this this weekend
and I took a drive to my almamater, murray State University
(24:51):
in Murray, kentucky.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
That's right, sorry, I went to school the old gray
horsey, hey what she used to be.
It's the old gray mare hey whatshe used to be Old gray mare.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Old gray mare.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
She ain't what she used to be.
Ain't what she used to be.
Ain't what she used to be.
Ain't what she used to be?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Is that your?
Is that the your college's song?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, sir, butchering it right now, but hey, hey.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I only learned it this weekend.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Anyway, I was there and I was like I was taking a
walk and inspired by my 20something year old self that was
on that campus and like all ofthe hopes and dreams, I mean,
it's very emotional for me.
I will say that, like I was, Ifelt like the breath was taken
out of my chest a few timesbecause I was thinking about,
(25:42):
like, that kid, who was lessbroken than this kid, is today
Right.
And anyway I was like okay.
So I looked at Sarah and I justsaid, all right, so if I'm
really in the flow, if I'm inthe river and not holding on to
every branch that goes by orgrabbing at it, and I'm just
like, all right, legs up, justletting it roll, then does that
(26:06):
look like when you've beenhacked and part of the hacking
has been losing all of mycompany's websites which I know
you did as well, kat and likehaving to start over in some
ways, barely doing that, but oneof those being, you know a
store that I've spent a lot of,the e-commerce store, archie
Montana, that I've spent a lotof time on, and Sarah has too.
(26:27):
And I just said I was like okay, so does surrender look like
going?
All right, like you said, kat,the scorched earth thing of like
I'll just start over, butbigger than that, could that be
the universe saying this is over, this is over, this is over,
(26:51):
and I'm actually removing itfrom your purview so that you
can keep moving Like this islike, is that being in the flow?
Or do I go hard and like youknow which I?
You really can't fight thesepeople and you know and be like
I'm going to rebuild and I'mgoing to go spend another 300
(27:13):
hours building this website andthis company, like that is my
question.
What do you guys feel aboutthat?
Like, how do you know when tokeep going or persevering and
when to go?
This isn't working.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, man, I mean, I feel like if there is a quote,
unquote right answer to thatquestion and if we are to
discover it as part of thispodcast that we're going to,
we're going to like win thelottery.
Yeah, you know, it's like itfeels like it's a really, really
great question and I don't knowif there's a right answer.
(27:48):
I know, I know what myexperience has been.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
What is your experience?
Well, not even with the hacking, but in general, like what is
the trigger for you guys whenyou go?
The season is over, whateverthat season or whatever that the
struggle is.
You know, like, when do you go?
Man, I gave it my damn dust andit's okay, but it's not here
(28:17):
anymore, it's not meant for meanymore.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Sadly.
Sadly, I have found that, whileI do feel like I have really
good intuition and I feel like Ikind of can sense when it's
like this thing is is about toshift, or this thing is about to
change or this thing is aboutto just die, whatever it is, it
still usually takes somethingpretty dramatic to shut it down.
(28:42):
For me, even if everythinginside of me is like, like you
know, this season is over, thisthing is done.
And it's like I'm like, yeah,but yeah, but you know.
And it's like I also feel likethere's this really fine line
between if I were to be anydifferent than that.
(29:03):
It's like I feel like I wouldnot be doing enough, like I
would not be efforting enoughand I think there is some effort
required.
You know, it's like a friend ofmine says all the time that
like it's her goal to not effort, and I always kind of judge
that and I go like, but why like?
Why would you not at least try,like, why would you not do the
(29:25):
thing?
And I wondered the other dayand I need to ask her this I
wonder if what she meant is whatyou're talking about.
Is it just letting oneself flowin the river and that's the
only efforting?
That I don't know.
It's a very, very hard question, sarah.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I mean honestly, like I have been trying to figure it
out too, and I don't know thatthere is a figuring it out.
I think it's what we've beensaying all along.
It just is.
And how do we accept that?
I don't like that.
But wait, moose, you weretalking about this the other day
.
Let me see if I could try toremember.
We were talking about ourperception of reality.
(30:08):
I think it factors into ouremotion and how we feel, more
than the actual thing.
I know what you're talkingabout, so, yeah, maybe you could
say it better.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, I was referring to Byron Katie's work, yeah,
and this idea of like I'm notgoing to get it right probably,
but her philosophy is basicallythat as long as you can come to
terms with reality and facereality, all the feelings and
emotions and all of that areoften the story we create around
(30:43):
that reality.
And kind of the way out is justto look at reality, try and
pull back your emotions, createperspective, all the things we
talk about.
But I've seen her.
If you don't know Byron Katie'swork, it's really incredible.
I've seen her on a Zoom, walkpeople through a big situation
(31:07):
like an issue between adaughter-in-law and a
mother-in-law or something likethat.
And it's a legitimate thingsomebody is wound up about and
she can just separate theemotion from them, help them
separate the emotion and just goOK.
But what is really happeningit's our reaction often to other
(31:29):
people's emotions and all thesedifferent things.
So that's very hard to pullthat out.
But I think it is a healthything just to look at something
and go is this really against meor is it?
And there are plenty of thingsthat I think are legitimate.
But yeah, sometimes I'm like ifI just saw reality for what it
is.
I think I would say to myselfwe're done here, we're done here
(31:53):
, let's pack it up, let's packanother bag and go somewhere
else.
But I think it's also we haveidentity caught up in so much.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Well, and I think too that like and this goes back to
at least my understanding ofTaoist philosophy and the whole
idea of yin yang or yin yang,depending on how you pronounce
it is that sometimes I don'tthink that it's just life or
death.
It's not like the season isover, pack your bags and be done
(32:28):
.
It's like OK, well, what if theseason is about to change?
Like what if it's fall movinginto winter?
What if it's winter moving intospring?
What if it's spring?
Blah, blah, blah.
You know like that whole and Iread another quote this morning
from DaVinci that said naturenever breaks her own laws.
Oh, wow, and it kind ofreminded me of that.
(32:49):
Like the seasons are justhappening, like we don't get to
really choose, and maybe that isin the flow and so maybe it's
like it's like just going OK,like I'm going to be more and
more willing to adapt to theseasons, to adapt to my reality.
I don't know it's very, very,very poignant life question
moves.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
If listeners could please give us free therapy.
Help us.
Don't have any email address orphone number.
We don't have any money.
We don't have any money, sodon't hack us.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm not as Annex, I gave it all away.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Please send us good vibes and answers to all of our
questions.
Yeah, that would be great, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So I would like to pose a life question now, Moose,
since you have taken us on thisFibonacci spiral of doom and
hell.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I.
The first question that I have,though, before I ask this
question, is what was yourmotivation for going to your old
Alma mater?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Hmm, great question.
Um, I needed to get the hellout of Nashville for a minute
and I was dealing with all ofthis hacking stuff and I don't
know.
It just popped in my head to goback and to walk the campus and
it was cold and all that.
But like it was special, like Icalled my roommate from college
(34:13):
who is one of my closestfriends, megan, and I felt like
she, like she had the breathtaken out of her too.
I didn't tell her I was goingand I just like turned on
FaceTime.
It was like some of the bestyears of our lives, you know,
and I was telling Sarah, whodidn't have a chance to go into
college but didn't have a chanceto have like the on campus
experience, and like I was likeI wish you could have had that,
(34:37):
like it was totally.
It was so wild Like I I didn'tdrink in college or any of that
it was just like such anincredible time of my life to
discover who I was and ask a lotof questions and felt safe and
a safe environment to do all ofthat.
So I don't know, I think it waslike kind of my spirit calling
(35:01):
me there, you know to, to kindof remember, if you will.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It feels very in the flow and very in the river.
That you responded to that,yeah, that's really wonderful.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
It was really special to me and and you know I hadn't
been back in like 15 years,even though it's only about two
and a half hour drive from whereI live now.
But yeah, it was.
It was good to remember andvery emotional too to be like,
oh man, like I used to be morethis way and I'm less that way
(35:32):
now.
Does that, is that bad or isthat just different?
You know what I mean.
And to kind of work throughsome of those questions how did
that go.
Um, I think what I walked awaywith on that trip was, um, like
I want to have that kind ofconfidence number one that I had
(35:56):
back then, but also number twoI want to.
Um, I want to believe.
Like I kept remembering all mydreams, you know, like I stood
outside of the fine artsbuilding and I was like I spent
so much time here doing radioand television and script
writing and all these things andI wanted so badly to be a
(36:17):
documentary maker, like that wasmy whole thing, and I just
stood there going like I canstill make a documentary.
And that may not still be mydream, but you know, just
because my uterus is bleedingdoesn't mean mine doesn't live
inside of me anymore.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Um, it's still out there bleeding somewhere.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I guess the moral of the story is I'm not dead yet is
really what I want to live.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
That is something that I, for one, can say that
I'm really glad about.
I'm really really glad you'renot dead yet.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh my God, the EKG machine still beeping, beep,
beep, beep.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
It's still got a nice and steady pulse.
Yeah, it does.
Well, I love that you did thatand I love that it sounds like
it was a really great experienceand an emotional experience and
one that, like, helped you kindof touch base with part of you
that that you've been searchingfor.
That's really, that's reallycool.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Um, but you didn't ask me the question, yeah, the,
the, the live question.
And and this is more of justlike, I would like for you to
pontificate on this phrase youcan either be a host to God or a
hostage to your ego.
I love it, I love it.
I'm going to sit with it for aminute.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Um, I guess something I want to say about that is and
we talk about this all the timeon the podcast, but I think
it's important to emphasize thatum, I think our souls are holy.
Um, sarah, do you remember thatphrase that we shared yesterday
(38:18):
?
We were talking about, and itwas about how our souls long for
contentment and peace.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Hmm, it was a card I pulled from the Sarah sidleman
cards, but I don't have it infront of me right now.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Don't worry about it.
The whole idea was that, evenwhen we can't get along with
others, we have to remember thateveryone's soul longs for
companionship and love and peaceand all the things that you
know like.
And it's our ego on top of thatthat makes us all the crazy.
Um, but to to that quote thatyou said, kat.
I think I've been thinkingabout this.
(38:58):
I think our souls are actuallyholy.
It's our ego that does all thedamage.
And I would go even as far asto say like we don't give our
souls enough credit, because Ithink they are divine.
If God is inside of us, it'snot like it's a little God
sprinkled on our soul, it's like, no, that came from the source.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You know yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And so how I try and separate ego from soul all the
time.
Like that's what I want to do,but is that my sole purpose, or
is it just something I want tochase because it's my ego?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, that's really, that's really profound.
Sarah, how does it hit you?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I mentioned those Sarah sidleman cards and we do
this all the time where we'llpick three and then just see
what message it gives.
But one of mine had to do withthat and it was talking about
caring for others and how we allmeet at the soul level.
And at the soul level, everyone of us wants love and
(40:03):
belonging.
You know, just like, and it'slike, oh my gosh, like, trying
to think of that and how wetreat people that annoy us or
people that are whatever youknow, the people in your life.
We can all think of one or many, I'm sure, and I've been
sitting with the thought a lotbecause it makes me think of,
like I don't know, we all havesiblings.
So remember when you were kidand, let's just say, you were
(40:26):
like mistreating your siblingand you thought no one was
watching, but like then your momwas watching or something, and
you're like, oh, I was, you know, and it's like I almost wonder
if I started treating people asif God or whatever somebody's
watching.
Like would I want somebody to.
You know, see me being rude orreacting, you know, it's just
(40:49):
which is like a total, maybe areally simple practice, but also
like super profound, becauseit's very hard to act on that.
You know, our natural reactionis to be annoyed, to be
perturbed, whatever, and that'sprobably because there's
something in ourself that wedon't like, that we see in them,
mm, hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Mm, hmm, always, every single damn time, yeah,
every time.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I mean, that's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I mean, every time my sister annoys me, it's because
I do the exact same thing.
Huh, and it's taken me eightmillion years to see that.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
My nephew, my oldest nephew.
I have two, one is 12 and oneis five.
And the 12 year old Asked me hesaid Auntie, did my mom get on
your nerves really bad when youguys and I like looked at him
and I immediately thought oflike three or four different
(41:46):
scenes like from our childhoodwhere my sister and I got
Invites and but I also wanted tolike really carefully answer
his question, like I didn't justwant to go yes, and that gives
him carte blanche to be annoyedby his little brother.
And then, you know right, thethe war is over, you know.
And so I said to him and I said, you know, I said there, there
were times where your mom really, really annoyed me when we were
(42:10):
growing up.
And I said in one thing that Ididn't really think about and I
would be curious for you tothink about this is how annoying
was I to her?
Yeah, growing up.
And he just shook his head.
He's like no, no, no, that'snot what I mean.
And I was like no, I know, it'snot what you mean.
You're trying to tell me yourlittle brother's bugging you and
(42:31):
you want that to be legitimized.
It's legit, like siblings bugyou, you know, and you probably
bug him too.
So, like, just hold that with alittle bit of kindness and
patience and love, because Eventhough you feel like you're the
one being annoyed like you, youare also probably annoying, you
(42:53):
know yeah, I feel like we needlike a intro to earth Class when
like about his age.
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Like when you start your brain starting to pick up
on things, you're starting to go.
Am I the only one experiencingthis?
We need like a soul class to go.
All right, here's what's up.
Y'all aren't from this earth.
You are.
You are divine spirits.
However, all your family areSplit personalities of you that
(43:24):
you're gonna have to workthrough in order to learn, in
order to Go to the next level orstay in heaven, or whatever it
is you want.
You chose to come here.
So now this is your battle andyou have choices.
You know, I feel like that wouldbe really helpful, because
otherwise Sometimes it gets sooverwhelming that like, oh, life
is just happening to me and Idon't have choices which
(43:48):
sometimes it feels that way.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Uh-huh, you know.
Yeah, I kind of wonder if thatclass is called our bodies.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well, I think you're right, cat I do but who in the
hell teaches?
Us.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Right, yeah, our body work therapists after we're in
our late 40s and need to spendthe rest of our life Unlearning
everything we've done wrong.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I know and we're dry down there and everything.
I mean I don't have thatproblem, but I read it.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, it was definitely a Google problem.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, and we need like an earth class, and you're
right, like it's kind of likethe map up Of how to get to all
of the learning is is our body,mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and we're afraid
to touch it, and yet we are init?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, it is.
So it is all around.
Like you know, it's a veryinteresting, a very interesting
little Diacotomy that's going onthere.
I'm curious, definitely.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
They say that you get to choose your like, your life,
like your body.
Actually, did you know that?
Like the soul people?
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I mean, I know you've told me that and I don't.
It's not that I don't believeit.
I am mad that I don't haverecollection of making these
choices, it's but maybe okay.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
But maybe your choices were like this beautiful
body you have, or like, I don'tknow, maybe your day this was a
really good choice and thewhole point of you learning is
to love what you have.
Am I teaching a body worker?
(45:31):
I think I think so good.
That's the kind of podcast weare.
We may be credentialed inthings, but we have no idea how
we got there.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
But the journey sure has some fun spots and we like
to talk about it together.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
What else is going on , you guys?
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Nothing work started this week.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, yeah, I think that's probably the.
The biggest challenge for me islike reentry.
I have really, in some ways,I've really enjoyed this holiday
.
I feel like the last majorholiday is when I got hacked,
the 4th of July.
It was July 2nd when I got.
Yeah and and and so I feel like,even though it's not happening
(46:18):
to me right now, I still feel somuch empathy and sympathy and
hmm, and just Pain for you guysgoing through that, especially
with the loss of the, thepodcast website and the store
website.
You guys have worked so hard onArchie Montana and so I think
(46:39):
like re-entering into like whatdoes life look like now that I
have to like Focus on thingsother than just caring about my
friends and just being, you know, loving and wonderful and
bringing in enough firewood forthe fireplace each night.
You know it's like now I've gotto like be responsible and do
things and be accountable topeople and generate revenue and
(47:02):
have hard conversations and, youknow, really put my brain to
the test, and so I'm having alittle bit of hard time with
reentry, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, I am too.
I heard Somebody at the gymthis morning talking about
getting back to work and they'relike, yeah, I'm kind of ready,
and I was like who are you andwhat do you do for a living?
You know, because I'm into andit's not that I I do like the
routine and all the things and Iknow that it is what it is.
But yeah, I just feel a littlebit overwhelmed walking into it.
(47:35):
Yeah, but I'm just gonna trustit.
I'm gonna stop grab and hold ofthe limbs on the side of the
river and just let go nice nice.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I like that and at the same time, is it like that
you know that saying where?
It's like I was caught in aflood and a boat came by and
offered me a ride, and thehelicopter came by and Offered
me a lift and I died.
And I said to God I'm so madthat I died, you didn't help me.
And he's like yes, I did, Isent you a boat in the
helicopter.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
I set a hacker your way and you didn't pay attention
.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Well, it's like.
Are the limbs that, though?
Like?
Are the limbs like?
Are they meant to be graspedaponts, or are they meant?
Are we meant to just like the?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
problem is is I'm stuck in like a beaver dam and
they're eating me alive.
So this is less about Sarahjust tied her headphone wire
around her neck.
Is that mean that we're done?
I think that.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
I think that symbolism has done its job.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
We're gonna try not to get caught in the branches
y'all.
Hey, we can.
We can still put this podcastout, and that's what matters.
So thank you guys for all ofyour warm wishes and kindness
and we hope you have a wonderfulstart to your new year.
Happy new year we love you.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Happy new year.
Happy new year.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Special thanks to our producer Sarah.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Reed.
To find out more, go to Kat andMoose podcastcom Kat and Moose
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