July 31, 2024 • 49 mins
Have you ever tried to form a band with zero singing talent? Moose did, and it was hilariously awkward. Join us as Moose relives her futile attempt to create a church singing group called "Three Strand Cord" with her twin friends. Meanwhile, Kat recounts her time in a house dubbed "the brothel," where she and her roommates formed a whimsically named band, "Atian." Together, we share our teenage musical misadventures and the quirky lengths we went to just to fit into the music scene despite our rather evident lack of talent.
We take a whimsical detour into our musical dreams, imagining ideal band scenarios from folksy ensembles to indie pop drumming. A memorable encounter at the National Eucharistic Congress brings us face-to-face with an astronaut, leading to a humorous discussion about the less glamorous aspects of space travel. Our conversation is sprinkled with playful banter about sibling torture through music, making this episode both entertaining and deeply personal.
From debating the controversy over the Olympic opening ceremony to unpacking internal beliefs for healing, our chat shifts gears to tackle deeper themes. We reflect on a family conversation about politics and the art of constructive disagreement. Diving into the impact of unconscious beliefs, we discuss how recognizing and vocalizing internal struggles can diffuse their power. Celebrate the unique strengths we each bring to our relationships, and anticipate next week's episode with a teaser about a parking mishap that led to a popped tire.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm Cat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Do you want me to tell you atrue story?
Yes, hey, cat, hey Moose, hey,sarah, hey, sarah, hey guys, hey
.
So I've never told the storybecause I'm so embarrassed by it
.
And you're going to say it outloud in public.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, so I've never told the story because I'm so
embarrassed and you're going tosay it out loud in public.
Okay, it's not.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I just have to interrupt and say please ignore
Vinny who's downstairs.
He's barking at somebody and wedon't know why, and sorry, it's
a small dog.
Tell us the story.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Moose, okay.
So, um, when I was like 13 andI had recently been saved by the
blood of Christ and and I youknow they say that music
industry people like us areactually just people who wanted
(00:58):
to be the artist but didn't haveenough talent.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now, who is they?
This is what I want to know.
I mean ask Sarah, because theyare assholes.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I have the corner on the market of the.
They's Okay, I really do,because Sarah makes fun of me
all the time when I'll saythey're saying that and she's
like who is they?
But I really do know whatpeople are saying.
Okay, okay, I believe you.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So what was I just talking about?
About being 13 and being savedby the blood of the land?
I'm just reflecting back.
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So I, uh, I went to my two best friends, who were
twins.
Uh, jennifer and Becky aretheir names.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
If you're listening, and you were best friends with
both of them.
Jennifer and becky are theirnames, if you're listening, and
you were best friends with bothof them you have to be.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
They're twins, you know.
You can't leave one out, okay Imean they were different.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is that how that?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
works, yeah, well, yeah, because when we're hanging
out, the other one's there Imean they have to be together at
all times.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They're not conjoined .
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I want to make sure we did a whole episode on
conjoined twins.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, if you go Google that, Okay, so they're
not conjoined.
Anyway, my two friends, therewas some verse in the Bible this
is all I wanted to say thatsaid something you guys know it
about a three cord strand, wherea three chord strand is not
easily broken.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's out of the two or more gathered.
Well, that's a different one.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think it's the same , though, same idea.
But, anyway, I booked us.
I booked us to singing gig.
We had never sang together, butI booked us a singing gig at a
church that I think when we gotthere there was a total of like
30 people.
It was this country church, butthe name of our group was three
(02:52):
strand cord or whatever that isAwesome.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Three cord strand, whatever that phrase is because
there were three of us.
That is awesome.
You were like Wilson Phillipsbefore, and here's the thing
just like the clarinet, Icouldn't sing a lick.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They were great singers, so I would just find
the harmony and kind of not singat other points.
Like I would look at them, likethis is her part, and so I had
us practice.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I I like I booked it before I even told them what I
was doing, which is very muchlike yeah, that doesn't surprise
me one, but enneagram eight ofyou, it is and so anyway, I
don't know what you said earlierthat made me think of that, but
I feel it's because weharmonized.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I feel like I have never really said that I was in
a band before, but it wasn'tacapella group.
We had one gig, that is awesome, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So so this little known fact.
Well, I want to spend enoughtime on that.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, I feel good to wrap that up.
Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So Sarah has been in a band a legit band that had a
record contract and a bookingagent and the whole nine yards.
Um, you were in a band that hada record contract and a booking
agent and the whole nine yards.
Um, you were in a band that hadone gig called the three chord
strand is that the right, Ithink so okay, I think a three
chord strand is is not easilybroken it's like you would know
it was your band neither one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I know it was one of those two things three strand
chord or three chord strand yeah, it's more difficult to fake
singing than it is actuallysinging by the way.
I would just literally justlike the clarinet, like oh my
gosh, I'm realizing there's atheme here of me faking my way
through life.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, back to you.
Okay, so, um.
So we created a band when, um,I lived with seven other women,
um, when, tell them what yourhouse was called.
Our house was called thebrothel because there's some
sort of Tennessee state law orsomething that says we're seven
or more gathered that it meansyou're a whorehouse.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It really is a thing.
Right it is.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, it's really a thing, and so, anyway, we always
called it the brothel.
We joked that because all of uslived together that we were a
brothel, but we were all goodChristian girls that weren't
sleeping with people at leastnot that we talked about.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So, anyway, we created a band called Asian.
That is the worst name I'veever heard, until you learn how
to come up with your likecharacter name, because one of
us was fastened nation.
oh, one of us was like rady,asian, and one of us was obama
(05:36):
nation you know what I mean sowe that's very good I made us
jerseys, like I, I made useverything and we would practice
in our basement and our friendAubrey, I think she, played the
drums and our friend Leah wouldplay guitar.
I pretended to play guitar andI sang like I was one of the
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singers which you guys know Idon't sing.
I mean, you can at least carrya tune I do sing every week, but
it's not of the quality thatpeople would want to pay money
to come see.
Hey, which Asian were you?
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, just go with your wait, go into your body.
What Asian are you now?
That's a better question.
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
What Asian am I now?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
What Asian are you?
I am.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I'm going to imagine Everybody.
What Asian am I?
What Asian are you I am?
I'm going to imagine Ooh, goodone.
Okay.
What are you, Sarah?
Who are you in your body?
Asian?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I am a rhythm nation.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Thank you, janet, yeah thank you, janet.
Oh, janet jackson you rememberthat video that, yeah, I loved
rhythm, nation, I loved record.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you know her song?
This is an ADHD podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
If you are just joining us we are neurodivergent
, yeah, and we will give youaudible things to make you sick
Like, oh no, I literally toldher I was going to switch and do
things that really just messwith your.
That keep you in defense modeall the time, correct.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But no, no shocking lighting.
Um, because we don't wantanyone to have a seizure.
Yeah, no, strobe lights,correct.
Yes, what were we talking about, janet?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Jackson.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Janet Jackson.
Oh, okay, there is a song thatI I feel like I've done this
before it's called again it'scalled again.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Oh yes, this was one of your love songs have I?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
have I talked about that?
Yeah, you have.
Okay, cool Moving on.
You can edit that.
Uh, we were speaking aboutbands.
Okay, so you were the Asian.
Yeah, we were the.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Asians.
Okay, and you were the threechord strand, the three strand
chord, and you were the Asians.
Yeah, we were the Asians, andyou were the three chord strand,
the three strand chord, and youwere in a band called.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I am that.
I was in a band called I, amthey?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So apparently you really know about the days as
well, if anybody has anyquestions about who they is?
Yes, You're the.
You guys go go Google, sarah Iam they.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And especially that video where you wore the yellow
feathered jacket.
Oh yeah, it's a music video.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It's a music video called Scars.
The song is called Scars, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That was a big song.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It's about the blood of the lamb, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Go ahead Well, as it pertains to the blood of the
lamb.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Oh wait, I have one more question, but make it quick
, guys.
Okay, it pertains to the bloodof the lamb.
I have one more question, butmake it quick, guys.
Okay, people can't stay onthese topics for very long.
If you were to be an artist Iknow that's not what you really
wanted, kat, but if you were tobe an artist, would you be a
solo artist?
What kind of genre would it be,or would it be like a band and
genre?
Everyone answer that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, like a band and genre.
Everyone answer that.
Okay, I would be in a speakeasyband with two other women and I
would call it the cat and moosepodcast and what would we do?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
just sing like our favorite songs.
We would talk about the quirksof being.
Oh, we would have a podcast.
It wouldn't be a band.
I mean, you know, you know whatyou're in a.
You're in a um, what is itcalled?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You are in a rhythm nation, throuple Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Nope, oh man, what is it?
The kind of comedy?
You're taking class for improv.
You're in an improv class andyou denied me what band you were
going to be in.
You went straight for thepodcast.
So I will ask you again whatband will you be in?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I would be in a three member band.
That that harmonizesbeautifully.
Like Wilson Phillips, Like Iwould just follow my people.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Do you think we need to bring the three strand cord
back?
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I think we could be the three strand cord.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We changed the name of the podcast If you were like,
oh, it's a Christian podcast,okay, let's start.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
We're going to just skyrocket to the top of the
charts.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I know we really are Okay, so what?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
would your band be?
Mine would definitely be.
It would be very a mix betweenAlanis Morissette and and Wild
Rivers and Brandi Carlile ohnice, I would listen to that
(10:42):
Like folksy but A little angry,little angry, little, uh, a lot
of time spent on the lyrics.
Yes, you know, it's likeabsolutely yeah.
And and I, you know, I havebeen thinking I'm writing more
poetry and I'm thinking maybe wejust put my poetry to some
music.
I love that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Maybe that could.
Maybe that could be like awhat's it called when we do like
a sidecar episode.
Oh yeah, you know like sidecar.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I like that a lot, moose's sidecar it's been.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's being recorded.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I have a sidecar.
Oh, it is being recorded.
Great, we might remember it.
What band are you going to bein?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think I like playing drums for, like, indie
pop, okay, whatever that is Okay, I don't know.
So maybe it's our band, maybethat's what we are.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Maybe you're the drummer.
You're basically in charge ofsetting the rhythm of all the
things which we just got done.
The rhythm is going to catch.
The rhythm is gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
The rhythm is gonna get you.
I hate that song, you do.
I forget how much you hate thatsong I hate her music Doesn't
your sister?
Just sing it to you every oncein a while.
Oh, she tortures me with it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, She'll send me messages of Gloria Estefan any
Gloria Estefan song, becauseit's like talking about having
auditory issues, like if I hearher music, which I just did.
Thanks, You're welcome.
It'll be in my head for days.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Like I can't, I'll literally wake up going.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And all those horns and like, oh, I just can't stand
it.
Yeah, the horns, it's a wholething and then the other song
not artist, but song that mysister tortures me with is
smooth operator and it's like,wait a minute, chicago's in the
middle of the country.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah la, to chicago yeah, no, it's not coast to
coast, new york, she's a liaryeah, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
so you talked at the beginning about being saved by
the blood of the lamb right, andlast weekend I had the pleasure
of going to the nationaleucharistic congress oh, the
catholic convention, yes, yes,in indianapolis, indiana, at
Lucas Oil Stadium, and so therewere arguably between 40 and
60,000 people in attendance.
(13:10):
I mean, it was huge.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Who lost 20,000 in there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, I just think you know, some people tell the
truth and some people, you know,elaborate, and so I know there
was at least 40,000 people thereand some people said there were
60.
It's so great, you know,somewhere in there and I had the
opportunity to hear severalspeakers, several musicians, and
I was fascinated by what I tookaway from it.
(13:33):
What was it?
Well, two things I got to talkto in person, not like in public
.
I mean, there was like probablylike seven of us in the room.
We got to hear from anastronaut and he told us stories
about space is gross space isgross, it's gross because of all
(13:54):
the junk.
There's all kinds of things thathappen when you're in space
that you just don't think aboutwhen you're on the earth,
because gravity is doing whatit's doing and in space it's
like zero gravity, right, and solike pooping, yes, like pooping
.
So when you go poop in spaceyou have to take a glove.
(14:14):
Oh man, because when you go tothe bathroom here on earth, plop
, plop, fizz, fizz.
Oh, what a relief.
It is right, like it plops intothe, into the toilet.
Oh, plop is such a bad word itis, it is plop.
It gets the point across though.
Right, you can just start abusiness.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You can just hear the in space.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That doesn't happen because gravity is not working
to pull the poop down.
So you have to reach and youhave to scrape no, and then you
have to like Scrape.
Well, I mean you have to if youwant to wipe your butt.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, I'm already doing that, aren't I?
Yes, but with a glove.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well, because you're not like when you wipe your butt
.
The has already happened here.
Oh, you're grabbing it so yougotta go get it.
You gotta go get no the feces,and so then you take it, can you
?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
not say feces or plop sorry.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
so anyway, you gotta take care of that.
And then do the glove you know,like inside out, and put it
like in a diaper genie basicallyis like what they have up there
, and then after it's likepicking up dog poop A little bit
, and then, after a certainamount of time, the container
that contains number two.
I followed your rules.
(15:41):
Thank you, you're welcome.
I wanted some acknowledgementfor that.
You're welcome.
I mean, um, thank you, you'rewelcome.
I wanted some acknowledgementfor that.
Um, so I mean thank you.
So you put the.
You put the shit in the can,and every so often a spacecraft
comes from earth to pick up theshit cans and they get to put
all the shit cans in thespacecraft and then they send it
back to earth.
(16:02):
But they make this particularspaceship so that it burns up in
the atmosphere.
So what happens to astronautpoop in space is that it gets
sent back toward Earth and onits re-entry into the Earth it
disintegrates.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, so if every now and then you're walking around
and, oh my gosh, you might besmelling disintegrated astronaut
poop, that is like I knowsomeone I almost said who it was
but I know someone who after aweek of camping it's not anyone
in this room, it isn't opens thesewer on their country roads
(16:40):
and just empties the sewage andjust lets it go.
Just lets it, oh wow,especially because they live out
near all the cows.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You know.
So it's like what's thedifference between?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
their shit and their shit Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, I thought it was actually quite fastidious of
us humans to go like well, atleast like you're not just
throwing the shit out into spaceand just letting it float
around.
I think they are, but you'renot just throwing the shit out
into space and just letting it.
I think they are, but they'renot okay, they're sending it
back to an astronaut and how thehell does this have anything to
do with the catholic you got?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Thank you, he was one of the keynote speakers, and so
I got to spend time with himthe night before his talk,
backstage, and we were actuallysitting in the locker room of
the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Cool, it was so neat I've been there.
What is the second thing you?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
learned.
The second thing I learned andthis is going to be
controversial, I think,especially with you, probably I
listened to a talk by BishopRobert Barron.
He's a bishop up in Minnesotaand he's an excellent speaker.
He's got great, great skillsand he started talking about
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chastity.
And when you think aboutchastity, like the belts yes,
yeah, like a chastity belt.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
First thing, I think of.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Do you have one, sarah Me?
Yeah, never.
You seem instantly familiarwith it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Can you find a photo while she's talking?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
the church, we think of celibacy, we think of like.
In the Catholic church, priestsand nuns are celibate, like
that's their, that's part oftheir sacrifice, it's part of
their, their calling.
And so he was like what do youthink of when you think of
chastity?
And of course everybody waslike built, or like sex, or like
you know, like all of that kindof stuff.
And he started talking abouthow what he was really
encouraging was understand theactual meaning of the values of
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the church, chastity being oneof them, poverty being one in
them, and there are several more.
And so when we talk aboutchastity, he was saying that the
reason that the Catholic churchis against birth control is not
for any other reason thanmaking sure and I'm botching
this because he said it so muchmore eloquently but he was
(19:10):
basically saying that like,using birth control really
objectifies the woman and itmakes the woman just an
instrument of a man's desire ifhe doesn't have to worry about
getting her pregnant.
And so he was saying chastity isactually you, you as a man,
loving your, your partner, yourwife, enough to utilize
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self-restraint during timeswhere she's likely to become
pregnant, rather than just likecovering it up literally and
just having sex, you know, andto me I thought like what a
beautiful way to look at how tolove another person.
And it was.
It was interesting for mebecause I consider myself
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progressive, I consider myselfmore left than right and you
know, and it's like the churchis like it's really hurt me my
whole life and blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, and I really
allowed myself to just reallyreceive what I heard and learned
and I thought it wasfascinating perspective and so I
wanted to see, like when, whenI say the word chastity, right,
(20:15):
like we know, sarah thinks belt.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Same belt.
This was a deep discussion.
That's what look.
That's what a chastity beltlooked like.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What's the hole in the bottom for for peeing?
Wait, can I see it again?
But there's still a hole, ohmaybe you're allowed to touch
things.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You just can't fit it in, hey you guys asked the
question.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I just answered it yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Um, I, I appreciate that perspective.
I think that sounds like agreat way to spin something like
and I like that idea that a manactually has restraint around a
woman sexually.
That's a thought isn't it?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
or at least intentionality.
Yeah, hey, we know that ifwe're gonna consummate right, we
know we're gonna haveintercourse, that it is possible
that, without any sort of birthcontrol, protection or whatever
, that that we're going tobecome pregnant and have a child
, and I think that to me, I justreally appreciated that it's
like he kind of, he kind ofdebunked the, the like oh well,
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the church says this, so theymean this.
You know it's negative.
And it's like no, it's notnegative.
It's saying like actually loveone another intentionally and I
just really I really appreciatedthat that's good I've got some
christian news.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay, can you give me some music?
Yeah, okay, so we have theolympics.
You really failed us on thatone.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I don't know the Olympic music.
I'm very sorry.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Thank you for everyone, which, by the way, the
French dude that swam the 100.
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I know, it was awesome that was great.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
His name was Marchand Marchand.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And the president of France is Marchand.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yes, and he called Marchand yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
They said ah, my name is Marchand.
My name is Marchand.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And we are French.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh, my name is Marcon , my name is Marshall and we are
friends.
Oh, okay, so the Olympics arehappening and my Christian uh,
my Christian bubble update isthat the Christians are mad.
Yeah, because the trans people.
And the last supper, I didn'tknow it was that big of a deal,
cause I have Facebook.
Oh, you see, you don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, let's fill in the people.
Let's talk about Da Vinci aswell.
Let's talk about the yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, so the it was the first time that the opening
ceremony wasn't actually in thestadium.
Usually it's just peoplewalking around the stadium.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It's just people walking around the track.
It's so dumb, it's so boringyeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean, we didn't know it was dumb until we saw
this year where they're actuallyeveryone's on a boat.
Have you seen any of theopening ceremony?
No, it's fine.
So there were these giant boatsand each country kind of had
their boat, or if it was asmaller country they would share
.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
They put several countries on one boat.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Like a little dinghy.
Yeah, they were like a littledingy, yeah, but they had these
insane like dance, musicalthings happening throughout.
Yeah, yeah, and there's thisguy wearing a mask, who was
carrying the torch on therooftops.
It was really.
I saw snoop, fascinating ladygaga celine dion.
Yeah, yeah, I heard about.
So all these things werehappening.
(23:57):
Well, one of the things, andyou know, even they had a marie
antoinette thing where they cutoff her head and they were like
honoring all the history offrance they were kind of doing
like a, an artisticinterpretation of the history of
france.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right is the way that I understood it super cool.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
so there was this moment that I didn't know when I
saw it, I I didn't, I didn'tthink a thing, I just was like
that's interesting.
Well, there are people who areupset that that in their mind it
was drag Queens reenacting thelast supper, to the point that
the Olympic committee even hadto apologize.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But, but to me it looked like people who were
theater people eating, yes, yeah, and in I don't remember the
name of the painting, butapparently there's also a french
painting, maybe by da vinci,correct that that it's argued.
You know, were they depicting apainting?
Not of the last supper, it wasof something that looked kind of
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similar.
I guess that just sounded realdumb because I don't know the
name of the painting, but oh mygosh, what a dummy, stupid,
stupid but yeah, it's like a lot, of, a lot of people in my feed
as well have been really reallyupset and basically going like
I'm not gonna watch the olympicsif they can't, if they can't
honor my lord, like if theycan't honor my Lord, like if
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they can't honor my faith.
And and I've seen severalpeople say like well, why are
they not talking about Islam orHinduism or any other religion?
Like, why are they?
Why are they poking onChristianity?
And so what do you think?
Like, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think it's insane.
I think this is art, and art isquirky and weird and always has
a always has a piece to it oflet's have a conversation.
So I think there these.
I think it's crazy.
I think I also think it's likethe Brene Brown phrase of like,
(25:54):
if you walk into the worldthinking you don't belong, you
won't belong.
Yeah, and I feel like this is aperspective of I'm going to
look for something to be madabout and have some sort of like
pious, how dare them moment?
Visceral reaction.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
When the Olympics is meant to bring people together.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, why can't we just root for?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
our gymnasts and our swimmers and all of that.
I think it's insane.
I didn't know, it was a bigdeal.
I was talking to someone todayand they were like what do you
think?
And I was like, is that reallya thing?
I mean, it's a big.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Thing.
I've seen a lot of peopletalking, which you know.
I look at Facebook for aboutfive minutes in the morning Like
that's my extent of socialmedia.
Um, and really I look at itbecause I like reading the
little like you know Sufi poemsand the little like you know um
things from Rumi and stuff likethat.
You know, like I, I really lookfor that kind of stuff and I've
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seen so many people going likethis is an abomination to the
lord and and all of that, and Idon't know the intent, I don't
know the origins of it, I'm noteducated enough to really know,
and I also go like guys like artis art, it's so like I mean,
why are we so mad, are we?
so mad like to think that, likea drag queen, had to be
(27:15):
introduced to what the lastsupper was.
Or maybe the drag queen grew upknowing what the last supper
was and of course she did Sure,you know like, finally got to
express herself in an artisticway.
I don't even know if they weredrag queens?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Why can't they just be?
I mean, like if you go to anopera show, there are men that
are wearing not the mostmasculine things in the world,
or a ballet show?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
why is everything so offensive to people?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
get over it yeah, I am sorry, I think these, I think
you're crazy whoever you are,whoever they are you're crazy I
don't think that you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I I think that and you know this is always like my
stance on things.
It's like look, look ateverybody's perspective.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, just look at it .
I agree that's a nicer way tosay it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I had a conversation with my mom about politics this
weekend, just saying, cause Iknow that our family has very
differing opinions aboutpolitical things and you know we
were talking about it andsaying how some family members
get mad at other family membersbecause of their beliefs.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it's like, okay, well, can we just go?
Hey, I don't agree with you,right?
And I'm curious why do youbelieve that?
Why do you think that that'simportant?
Because maybe I can educatemyself or I can go?
Wow, I do think you're crazyyou know, but it's like to use
anger as the as the response isjust.
(28:46):
It's to me, it's the reason wehave wars, like it's the reason
that humanity has a hard timesurviving.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, it feels I need to go one step further.
It feels like a victimmentality to me.
It feels I need to go one stepfurther.
It feels like a victimmentality to me, very much like
see, we have they're picking onus again and like I have no time
and space for that.
Like I mean, be offended if youwant to be offended, but like
(29:15):
don't stir it up, don't fine,don't watch the Olympics,
nobody's hurting for your eyeson the olympics, sorry, right
right, boycott the hell of it ifyou want to.
Yeah, we all have that right.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
But also like yeah, just check yourself because
you're gonna wreck yourself well, and it makes me go like if, if
this is offensive to you you'reposting on Facebook, which is
maybe or maybe not run by peoplewho believe what you believe.
Yeah, so you're using aplatform that you know it just
like to me, it just feels realshallow.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, it is not worth our time, so let's move on, so
let's keep talking about it.
Okay, I heard this phrase.
I'm not going to tell you guyswho said it, I'm just going to
tell you the phrase and I wouldlike to discuss.
Okay, all pain is the result ofthe resistance to your natural
(30:10):
self one more time.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Sit with that for a minute.
One more time for the rest ofus all.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
pain is the result of the resistance to your natural
self, and what that means to meis so much.
First, what does it mean to you?
It means that, um, I, I hadthis phrase once in my head of
(30:46):
um, I don't want to be complicitin my own suffering, and I
think a way to not create thesuffering because I think
suffering comes from attachmentis what I'm learning, and so
this idea that so, if I, if Ibackwards engineer this phrase,
(31:07):
which is what I love to do if Ichoose to not be resistant to my
natural self and I choose tofully, as my friend who passed
away a couple years ago said, weare the gift.
If I live like I am the gift,then does my pain diminish?
(31:28):
Could my pain diminish?
That's where I'm at.
How's that going?
Oh, I'm just at the beginning.
Yeah, I mean.
Yeah, it's going, it's one stepat a time, but I, I found that
so fascinating.
Um, and then it led.
It also leads me into how muchour thoughts affect our internal
(31:50):
kingdom.
Yeah, wow, that's right, yeah,and um, and the same person said
this you don't hold on toanything that you don't believe
is for your benefit.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Hmm, I mean, who was this person?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
This person was very wise.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So say that you are somewhere that you aren't happy
with, whether that's in yourmarriage, it's in your job,
whatever the thing is.
There is an unconscious beliefkeeping you there.
So you're in pain, you're inmisery, you're in suffering,
whatever that looks likephysical, emotional but the
(32:34):
reason that you stay there isyou believe it's benefiting you
in some way and yet it doesn'tfeel right.
Then there's an unconsciousbelief that you're believing
about yourself keeping you there.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, wow, that's.
I mean, that's heavy, it is,that's huge.
It reminds me of the idea ofthe inner critic.
Yeah, you know, it's like that,you stupid whore.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like that, like you know,it's like that, you stupid whore
.
Yeah, exactly it's like that.
Like there's a part of me thatbelieves that, right, and it's
like oh, wow, like that's.
I don't know, that's huge.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But the good news is the unconscious belief.
What I'm learning is, if youbring that to the conscious
conscious I can't say that wordTo your okay, if you bring it
into reality by saying it outloud, so say that you're like,
sometimes I believe that I'm astupid.
Or then it has less power, it'slike anything else, right.
And so if you learn to go oh, Isee you there, you are there,
(33:36):
you are there, you are, youcould untangle the idea of I
need, you know I'm, I feel likeI need to stay here for safety.
You and I were texting the otherday and I was like asking you
all these questions why are wethis way?
Why are we that?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
way.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, and we both kind of came to like oh well, we
believe certain things aboutourselves.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right and, and I I've learned in my studies we talked
about this a little bit a fewweeks ago, but one of the ways
toward healing is making thecovert overt.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yes, I've heard that so many times you know making
the unseen scene.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You know, and it's like you were even advising me
today before we started thepodcast, when I was telling you
about a relationship that I'mhaving a little bit of of
struggle with um, you were likesometimes you just need to get
it out in the open, like youjust need to talk about it, and
then it kind of it kind of umdiffuses or disarms and it's
like oh, that thing that I'vebeen feeling so much tension
(34:30):
around when now it's just beensaid yeah, and so now we can
contend with that instead ofwhat all of our imaginations are
doing with it.
And a friend of mine said to meone time she was doing this this
practice and I loved it is whenthat you stupid whore, like
when that voice came up, shewould go you are welcome to have
(34:51):
a seat at the table.
Yeah Right, you have an opinionfor some reason, and so you're
welcome here.
And for some reason, an opinionfor some reason.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And so you're welcome here.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And for some reason, kat, you think you're a stupid
whore.
What's that about?
Yeah, to like, really look atthat.
And it's like I think thatthere's a lot of wisdom in that
and a lot of healing in that ifwe embrace it.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I agree and I think you know a lot of the people
that I've had the opportunity tocoach are so unaware of the
voices.
They know I have voices, butwhen you actually go in and say,
tell me what those voices aresaying, that's a whole other
level Right, and then you haveto contend with those voices
(35:33):
which is good.
But so many times people willsay, yeah, I have that.
I do have that where I hearthings, but just writing it down
can decrease the power becausenow you have the ability to go
oh, I hear you.
Like you said, you can sit overhere.
But it's kind of like internalfamily systems work too, because
(35:53):
you'll have an, you'll havesomething you're working on, and
then another voice iscriticizing what's happening and
then you say, hey, can you gosit over here?
I always say you can sit behindglass and watch us but you
gotta just chill.
Are you down for that?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
You know I like that it makes me think of of a song
that one of my clients wrotecalled the stories I tell myself
, and he was saying that, likethe stories I tell myself the
lyrics of the song are basicallylike is that I'm the son of an
alcoholic and I'm never going tomake it, and all that kind of
stuff.
And he says in the song so Iremind myself by thinking about
Joseph, I remind myself thinkingabout Moses, I remind myself
(36:30):
thinking about Jacob, I remindmyself thinking about Jesus and
everything that they wentthrough.
And those are the stories.
Yeah, I want to kind of rewritethe stories of of what you know
my belief systems are aboutmyself, to reflect that of what
God sees in me or God thinks isspecial in me.
And I think that I think it's aconcept that is really it's
(36:53):
become kind of a a hotter topicthese days, along with, like,
mental health and self-help andand all of that kind of stuff.
And I hope that, like, do youfeel like it's helping people?
Like, do you feel like peopleare doing this more and becoming
more healthy?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I think those are doing the work are, because I do
think that, um, you know you'rehearing those voices are
purposeful.
They're there to.
Oh.
Frankie is doing a dance.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
He's running in his sleep.
Frankie is going come on, shakeyour body, baby, and he's he's
gyrating my camera.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
In case you're watching and it was on cat.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
That was the rhythm of Frank.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I want to take it one step further though, because,
speaking of knowing yourselfwell, let me finish that thought
before Frankie did the conga Ithink what's important when you,
you ask those questions, I'mnot gonna, I I've lost it, I've
totally lost it, okay, but thethe the thing I wanted to go one
step further on is anotherthing that I've been.
(37:59):
I heard someone say that I'veand I want you guys just to
think what comes to your mindfirst.
You know I always love thatit's usually what your body is
telling you, but what comeseasiest to you.
Don't worry about if it's work,whatever, whatever, what comes
easiest to you?
I would love for us to answerthat, and then I will explain
(38:23):
what context I heard this in.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
What context I heard this in.
For me, what comes easiest forme is either wanting to
celebrate the good that I'mseeing come from someone else
and go like you're awesome, likeyou did that, or whatever, or
the critic why do you keep doingthat thing?
(38:54):
Why do you keep runningyourself into the ground?
Why do you keep like I?
My?
My judgment of people'sbehavior comes easiest to me,
and so I've learned to try tomanage that and to just focus on
the good, be aware of thenegative, you know.
Oh, this person is a gossip.
You probably don't need to tellthem all your deepest, darkest
(39:15):
secrets.
Okay, keep that in the back ofyour head.
But what can I celebrate aboutthat person?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
so like, to me it's kind of finding attributes about
people and their behaviors andtrying to shine a light on that.
I feel like that's really shinea light on that.
I feel like that's really easyfor me to do.
I love that.
I think that's very true, ohwhat is yours, Sarah?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I feel like I can help people, feel like I feel
like I'm an anchor for people,feel like I feel like I'm an
anchor for people, like I'mreliable and loyal.
What does that look like?
Um, just safe to approach,hopefully.
I think I'm easy to approach,safe to approach, um easy to
(40:03):
talk to.
I want people to feel at easein my company and, um, maybe, if
I can anticipate or um, uh,maybe understand what they're
going through, or sometimes Ican, um, oh, maybe the word is
intuitively see what you knowmaybe they're feeling I can help
(40:25):
ease what they're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
How about you, Mish?
Mine is, um, I love helpingpeople see a way through a
problem.
Like I love bringingperspective, Like if somebody
(40:50):
come, you know, comes to me andis talking to me, like you know,
I feel like I can see the bigpicture pretty quickly.
And so I like the idea of beingwith people who want to
progress, are willing tochallenge things in themselves,
and like I love working withpeople like that, even as
(41:13):
friends, you know, like I lovedreaming with people and going
what else is possible?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Those are my kind of people.
Yeah, you're really good atthat, thanks.
Like I feel like, as isevidenced by things that we've
started together yeah, thepodcast, yeah, being one, you
know, the three of us startedthat because you you believed
we've got a thing.
Yeah, like we can do a thing,right.
And then we all came around it.
Sarah was like you guys havethis rapport.
(41:39):
That's just amazing, and youknow it is.
So it's, it's really cool.
It's like we talked about thewhole cat and mouse thing and
then cat and moose and like youlike kind of it to me feels like
breathe that into existence.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I love that.
That's like my favorite thingis like I don't want and I'm not
a detail person Like I don'twant to give anyone a one
through 10 plan of how to doyour life mission.
That's for chat, GPT, you know.
But I want to know what it isyou care about and I want to
(42:14):
remind you that you can bringthat to life.
Like that is exciting.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
So this idea of what comes easiest to you.
I was watching an interview andsomebody that I was listening
to said it's so important to payattention to what comes easiest
to you because we think thingsshould be hard, especially in
the Western culture.
We think like it's gotta be agrind or it's not worth it, and
yet it's not just like these arethe gifts that Christ has given
(42:43):
you.
I don't mean that.
I just mean like that is what,who you were created to be for
other people and it's generallywhat we want from other people.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Is that true for you guys?
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yes, that's so funny that you say that, because I my
whole thing.
Sorry, that really resonated.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
No, that's great.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Like I, I really do, and I don't want people to
bullshit me.
I don't want people to blowsunshine at me, and that's not
what I do to people.
So so what I'm looking for is agenuine like cat, you do this
well, yeah, like that, that,those words of encouragement.
If they are genuine and if theyare meaningful and not just
like placating me, you know,then it's like I really do want
(43:24):
that.
I want that because then I cantake that and keep doing the
thing I'm doing.
Right, you know, you're a greatmanager, you're a great
podcaster, you're a greatproblem solver, you're a great
you know healing artspractitioner.
You know it's like yes, okay,then I can keep doing that,
cause you believe in me you knowlike that feels, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, it's kind of like how we all want to be the
artist, but we end up being thesupport of the artist.
Is yours, true for you.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, I think so.
I mean I, I, I have heard itoften, heard it said of me that
I'm like a solutions person,like I, I, I can see the
problems, but I don't want tojust be like, hey, look, there's
a problem.
I want to like be like there'sa problem.
Here are a couple options toget through that.
That.
Yeah, can I help?
Yeah, you know?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
But are you looking for someone to be your safety
and your anchor when you're that?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
is Well and I feel like I've often said like we're
best at giving away the thing weneed most.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, it takes me.
It takes me like years to catchup with my friends, Like I know
that I'm smart, but I meanyou've said that a million times
and I finally get it now.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Well, cause we know what it feels like, looks like,
you know whatever.
So we could give that away veryeasily, because we know exactly
what that should look and feeland taste like.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I just got in my head .
Speaker 2 (44:45):
I mean you are bringing the hymns to the
podcast my utmost for hishighest.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Do you remember that song?
Oh yeah, I do remember thatrecord.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Okay, One last thing on the.
I think it's the very last linkI gave you.
Um, speaking of the Olympics, Iwanted to show you guys a video
and see if you could imaginethe three of us doing this.
Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Is this a synchronized diving?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
No, I wish but we could.
I saw some people like us tryand do the synchronized diving
and it reminded me of usspelling out cat moose in the
pool.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
We, we should do, we should try synchronized diving
for our summer.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Uh, social media extravaganza okay, let's see if
I can get this going this was inthe opening ceremony and I just
could not stop watching itbecause I don't know how they
did this.
Okay, I'll explain what it is.
It's the olympic rings andthere are people running on top
of them.
Wait, what?
(45:50):
How is that even possible?
Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
That is so rad.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
But do they have harnesses?
No, is the thing motorized?
Like?
How are they?
I really need you guys to tellme how they're doing.
They're using the laws ofphysics.
Okay, we'll play it again andlet's see okay what do you mean?
The laws of physics?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
it's a round thing in there he's running backwards
right, they're just running,which is moving it forward, yeah
how would you, can you imagineus trying to do that?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I would definitely not be.
I would be dead.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Oh my God, that is very, very cool.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
That is a level of coordination and dexterity that
I do not.
I no longer have.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
What would you break Every?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
absolutely everything I feel like what would happen
is I would immediately lose mybalance and fall to one side and
just break everything on thatside, you know, like my right
skull, my right shoulder, myright hip I would just go right
around it and it would just rollright over me.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Me too, I would get crushed by the following one,
but like I am so impressed withthese people, yeah, that's very
impressive.
I'm to do some homework andfind out more.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I thought you were going to say I'm going to do
some training.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, I might, I might.
I doubt it, but I mightOlympics 2028.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, cat and Moose, ride the race, here we come,
people.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Where is 2028 Olympics?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Nashville.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Nashville, tennessee, people, we're going to be
booking it down Broadway.
Man, oh my gosh, I just I'm soafraid, yes, I'm so afraid.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
That thing was like 20 feet high.
Yeah, it's really impressive.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
How did they not die?
They're really talented thereare some talented humans.
I have been watching it overand over.
I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Have you watched any close-ups?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
No.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I really need to do more research.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I was going to say, surely there are interviews with
these people.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Like it's gotta be the ring runners.
What do they have Go pros on?
What would that look like?
That'd be so cool.
I'm going to I'll.
I'll report back, yeah, okay,it was great talking to you guys
.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
It's great I.
I do want to set a little bitof a teaser for um for next
week's episode.
Okay, first of all, I want tosay, if you like and subscribe
right to our channel on youtube,that would be amazing.
Like, like, subscribe, likeyoutube.
Yeah, that helps us.
And um, I would like to saythat I tried to parallel.
What the hell Excuse me?
I tried to parallel park inEast Nashville this weekend.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
And I popped one of my tires Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yes, I'm so sorry.
Wait, do we need to talk aboutthat now?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
No, it was a tease.
It's a tease oh, what a tease.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Bye guys, we love you .
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Hey, can you play?
Come on chicken buddy.
Special thanks to our producer,Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
BP production.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm Cat.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Moose.
This is a true life podcastwhere we explore the quirks of
being human.
Do you want me to tell you atrue story?
Yes, hey, cat, hey Moose, hey,sarah, hey, sarah, hey guys, hey
.
So I've never told the storybecause I'm so embarrassed by it
.
And you're going to say it outloud in public.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, so I've never told the story because I'm so
embarrassed and you're going tosay it out loud in public.
Okay, it's not.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I just have to interrupt and say please ignore
Vinny who's downstairs.
He's barking at somebody and wedon't know why, and sorry, it's
a small dog.
Tell us the story.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Moose, okay.
So, um, when I was like 13 andI had recently been saved by the
blood of Christ and and I youknow they say that music
industry people like us areactually just people who wanted
(00:58):
to be the artist but didn't haveenough talent.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now, who is they?
This is what I want to know.
I mean ask Sarah, because theyare assholes.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I have the corner on the market of the.
They's Okay, I really do,because Sarah makes fun of me
all the time when I'll saythey're saying that and she's
like who is they?
But I really do know whatpeople are saying.
Okay, okay, I believe you.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So what was I just talking about?
About being 13 and being savedby the blood of the land?
I'm just reflecting back.
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So I, uh, I went to my two best friends, who were
twins.
Uh, jennifer and Becky aretheir names.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
If you're listening, and you were best friends with
both of them.
Jennifer and becky are theirnames, if you're listening, and
you were best friends with bothof them you have to be.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
They're twins, you know.
You can't leave one out, okay Imean they were different.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is that how that?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
works, yeah, well, yeah, because when we're hanging
out, the other one's there Imean they have to be together at
all times.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They're not conjoined .
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I want to make sure we did a whole episode on
conjoined twins.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, if you go Google that, Okay, so they're
not conjoined.
Anyway, my two friends, therewas some verse in the Bible this
is all I wanted to say thatsaid something you guys know it
about a three cord strand, wherea three chord strand is not
easily broken.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's out of the two or more gathered.
Well, that's a different one.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think it's the same , though, same idea.
But, anyway, I booked us.
I booked us to singing gig.
We had never sang together, butI booked us a singing gig at a
church that I think when we gotthere there was a total of like
30 people.
It was this country church, butthe name of our group was three
(02:52):
strand cord or whatever that isAwesome.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Three cord strand, whatever that phrase is because
there were three of us.
That is awesome.
You were like Wilson Phillipsbefore, and here's the thing
just like the clarinet, Icouldn't sing a lick.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They were great singers, so I would just find
the harmony and kind of not singat other points.
Like I would look at them, likethis is her part, and so I had
us practice.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I I like I booked it before I even told them what I
was doing, which is very muchlike yeah, that doesn't surprise
me one, but enneagram eight ofyou, it is and so anyway, I
don't know what you said earlierthat made me think of that, but
I feel it's because weharmonized.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I feel like I have never really said that I was in
a band before, but it wasn'tacapella group.
We had one gig, that is awesome, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So so this little known fact.
Well, I want to spend enoughtime on that.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, I feel good to wrap that up.
Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So Sarah has been in a band a legit band that had a
record contract and a bookingagent and the whole nine yards.
Um, you were in a band that hada record contract and a booking
agent and the whole nine yards.
Um, you were in a band that hadone gig called the three chord
strand is that the right, Ithink so okay, I think a three
chord strand is is not easilybroken it's like you would know
it was your band neither one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I know it was one of those two things three strand
chord or three chord strand yeah, it's more difficult to fake
singing than it is actuallysinging by the way.
I would just literally justlike the clarinet, like oh my
gosh, I'm realizing there's atheme here of me faking my way
through life.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Okay, back to you.
Okay, so, um.
So we created a band when, um,I lived with seven other women,
um, when, tell them what yourhouse was called.
Our house was called thebrothel because there's some
sort of Tennessee state law orsomething that says we're seven
or more gathered that it meansyou're a whorehouse.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
It really is a thing.
Right it is.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, it's really a thing, and so, anyway, we always
called it the brothel.
We joked that because all of uslived together that we were a
brothel, but we were all goodChristian girls that weren't
sleeping with people at leastnot that we talked about.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So, anyway, we created a band called Asian.
That is the worst name I'veever heard, until you learn how
to come up with your likecharacter name, because one of
us was fastened nation.
oh, one of us was like rady,asian, and one of us was obama
(05:36):
nation you know what I mean sowe that's very good I made us
jerseys, like I, I made useverything and we would practice
in our basement and our friendAubrey, I think she, played the
drums and our friend Leah wouldplay guitar.
I pretended to play guitar andI sang like I was one of the
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singers which you guys know Idon't sing.
I mean, you can at least carrya tune I do sing every week, but
it's not of the quality thatpeople would want to pay money
to come see.
Hey, which Asian were you?
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, just go with your wait, go into your body.
What Asian are you now?
That's a better question.
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
What Asian am I now?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
What Asian are you?
I am.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I'm going to imagine Everybody.
What Asian am I?
What Asian are you I am?
I'm going to imagine Ooh, goodone.
Okay.
What are you, Sarah?
Who are you in your body?
Asian?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I am a rhythm nation.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Thank you, janet, yeah thank you, janet.
Oh, janet jackson you rememberthat video that, yeah, I loved
rhythm, nation, I loved record.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you know her song?
This is an ADHD podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
If you are just joining us we are neurodivergent
, yeah, and we will give youaudible things to make you sick
Like, oh no, I literally toldher I was going to switch and do
things that really just messwith your.
That keep you in defense modeall the time, correct.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But no, no shocking lighting.
Um, because we don't wantanyone to have a seizure.
Yeah, no, strobe lights,correct.
Yes, what were we talking about, janet?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Jackson.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Janet Jackson.
Oh, okay, there is a song thatI I feel like I've done this
before it's called again it'scalled again.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Oh yes, this was one of your love songs have I?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
have I talked about that?
Yeah, you have.
Okay, cool Moving on.
You can edit that.
Uh, we were speaking aboutbands.
Okay, so you were the Asian.
Yeah, we were the.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Asians.
Okay, and you were the threechord strand, the three strand
chord, and you were the Asians.
Yeah, we were the Asians, andyou were the three chord strand,
the three strand chord, and youwere in a band called.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I am that.
I was in a band called I, amthey?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So apparently you really know about the days as
well, if anybody has anyquestions about who they is?
Yes, You're the.
You guys go go Google, sarah Iam they.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And especially that video where you wore the yellow
feathered jacket.
Oh yeah, it's a music video.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
It's a music video called Scars.
The song is called Scars, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That was a big song.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
It's about the blood of the lamb, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Go ahead Well, as it pertains to the blood of the
lamb.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Oh wait, I have one more question, but make it quick
, guys.
Okay, it pertains to the bloodof the lamb.
I have one more question, butmake it quick, guys.
Okay, people can't stay onthese topics for very long.
If you were to be an artist Iknow that's not what you really
wanted, kat, but if you were tobe an artist, would you be a
solo artist?
What kind of genre would it be,or would it be like a band and
genre?
Everyone answer that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, like a band and genre.
Everyone answer that.
Okay, I would be in a speakeasyband with two other women and I
would call it the cat and moosepodcast and what would we do?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
just sing like our favorite songs.
We would talk about the quirksof being.
Oh, we would have a podcast.
It wouldn't be a band.
I mean, you know, you know whatyou're in a.
You're in a um, what is itcalled?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You are in a rhythm nation, throuple Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Nope, oh man, what is it?
The kind of comedy?
You're taking class for improv.
You're in an improv class andyou denied me what band you were
going to be in.
You went straight for thepodcast.
So I will ask you again whatband will you be in?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I would be in a three member band.
That that harmonizesbeautifully.
Like Wilson Phillips, Like Iwould just follow my people.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Do you think we need to bring the three strand cord
back?
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I think we could be the three strand cord.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We changed the name of the podcast If you were like,
oh, it's a Christian podcast,okay, let's start.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
We're going to just skyrocket to the top of the
charts.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I know we really are Okay, so what?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
would your band be?
Mine would definitely be.
It would be very a mix betweenAlanis Morissette and and Wild
Rivers and Brandi Carlile ohnice, I would listen to that
(10:42):
Like folksy but A little angry,little angry, little, uh, a lot
of time spent on the lyrics.
Yes, you know, it's likeabsolutely yeah.
And and I, you know, I havebeen thinking I'm writing more
poetry and I'm thinking maybe wejust put my poetry to some
music.
I love that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Maybe that could.
Maybe that could be like awhat's it called when we do like
a sidecar episode.
Oh yeah, you know like sidecar.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I like that a lot, moose's sidecar it's been.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's being recorded.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I have a sidecar.
Oh, it is being recorded.
Great, we might remember it.
What band are you going to bein?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think I like playing drums for, like, indie
pop, okay, whatever that is Okay, I don't know.
So maybe it's our band, maybethat's what we are.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Maybe you're the drummer.
You're basically in charge ofsetting the rhythm of all the
things which we just got done.
The rhythm is going to catch.
The rhythm is gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
The rhythm is gonna get you.
I hate that song, you do.
I forget how much you hate thatsong I hate her music Doesn't
your sister?
Just sing it to you every oncein a while.
Oh, she tortures me with it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, She'll send me messages of Gloria Estefan any
Gloria Estefan song, becauseit's like talking about having
auditory issues, like if I hearher music, which I just did.
Thanks, You're welcome.
It'll be in my head for days.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Like I can't, I'll literally wake up going.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And all those horns and like, oh, I just can't stand
it.
Yeah, the horns, it's a wholething and then the other song
not artist, but song that mysister tortures me with is
smooth operator and it's like,wait a minute, chicago's in the
middle of the country.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah la, to chicago yeah, no, it's not coast to
coast, new york, she's a liaryeah, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
so you talked at the beginning about being saved by
the blood of the lamb right, andlast weekend I had the pleasure
of going to the nationaleucharistic congress oh, the
catholic convention, yes, yes,in indianapolis, indiana, at
Lucas Oil Stadium, and so therewere arguably between 40 and
60,000 people in attendance.
(13:10):
I mean, it was huge.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Who lost 20,000 in there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, I just think you know, some people tell the
truth and some people, you know,elaborate, and so I know there
was at least 40,000 people thereand some people said there were
60.
It's so great, you know,somewhere in there and I had the
opportunity to hear severalspeakers, several musicians, and
I was fascinated by what I tookaway from it.
(13:33):
What was it?
Well, two things I got to talkto in person, not like in public
.
I mean, there was like probablylike seven of us in the room.
We got to hear from anastronaut and he told us stories
about space is gross space isgross, it's gross because of all
(13:54):
the junk.
There's all kinds of things thathappen when you're in space
that you just don't think aboutwhen you're on the earth,
because gravity is doing whatit's doing and in space it's
like zero gravity, right, and solike pooping, yes, like pooping
.
So when you go poop in spaceyou have to take a glove.
(14:14):
Oh man, because when you go tothe bathroom here on earth, plop
, plop, fizz, fizz.
Oh, what a relief.
It is right, like it plops intothe, into the toilet.
Oh, plop is such a bad word itis, it is plop.
It gets the point across though.
Right, you can just start abusiness.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You can just hear the in space.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That doesn't happen because gravity is not working
to pull the poop down.
So you have to reach and youhave to scrape no, and then you
have to like Scrape.
Well, I mean you have to if youwant to wipe your butt.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Well, I'm already doing that, aren't I?
Yes, but with a glove.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well, because you're not like when you wipe your butt
.
The has already happened here.
Oh, you're grabbing it so yougotta go get it.
You gotta go get no the feces,and so then you take it, can you
?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
not say feces or plop sorry.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
so anyway, you gotta take care of that.
And then do the glove you know,like inside out, and put it
like in a diaper genie basicallyis like what they have up there
, and then after it's likepicking up dog poop A little bit
, and then, after a certainamount of time, the container
that contains number two.
I followed your rules.
(15:41):
Thank you, you're welcome.
I wanted some acknowledgementfor that.
You're welcome.
I mean, um, thank you, you'rewelcome.
I wanted some acknowledgementfor that.
Um, so I mean thank you.
So you put the.
You put the shit in the can,and every so often a spacecraft
comes from earth to pick up theshit cans and they get to put
all the shit cans in thespacecraft and then they send it
back to earth.
(16:02):
But they make this particularspaceship so that it burns up in
the atmosphere.
So what happens to astronautpoop in space is that it gets
sent back toward Earth and onits re-entry into the Earth it
disintegrates.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, so if every now and then you're walking around
and, oh my gosh, you might besmelling disintegrated astronaut
poop, that is like I knowsomeone I almost said who it was
but I know someone who after aweek of camping it's not anyone
in this room, it isn't opens thesewer on their country roads
(16:40):
and just empties the sewage andjust lets it go.
Just lets it, oh wow,especially because they live out
near all the cows.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
You know.
So it's like what's thedifference between?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
their shit and their shit Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, I thought it was actually quite fastidious of
us humans to go like well, atleast like you're not just
throwing the shit out into spaceand just letting it float
around.
I think they are, but you'renot just throwing the shit out
into space and just letting it.
I think they are, but they'renot okay, they're sending it
back to an astronaut and how thehell does this have anything to
do with the catholic you got?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
that is a great question.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Thank you, he was one of the keynote speakers, and so
I got to spend time with himthe night before his talk,
backstage, and we were actuallysitting in the locker room of
the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Cool, it was so neat I've been there.
What is the second thing you?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
learned.
The second thing I learned andthis is going to be
controversial, I think,especially with you, probably I
listened to a talk by BishopRobert Barron.
He's a bishop up in Minnesotaand he's an excellent speaker.
He's got great, great skillsand he started talking about
(17:57):
chastity.
And when you think aboutchastity, like the belts yes,
yeah, like a chastity belt.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
First thing, I think of.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Do you have one, sarah Me?
Yeah, never.
You seem instantly familiarwith it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Can you find a photo while she's talking?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
the church, we think of celibacy, we think of like.
In the Catholic church, priestsand nuns are celibate, like
that's their, that's part oftheir sacrifice, it's part of
their, their calling.
And so he was like what do youthink of when you think of
chastity?
And of course everybody waslike built, or like sex, or like
you know, like all of that kindof stuff.
And he started talking abouthow what he was really
encouraging was understand theactual meaning of the values of
(18:47):
the church, chastity being oneof them, poverty being one in
them, and there are several more.
And so when we talk aboutchastity, he was saying that the
reason that the Catholic churchis against birth control is not
for any other reason thanmaking sure and I'm botching
this because he said it so muchmore eloquently but he was
(19:10):
basically saying that like,using birth control really
objectifies the woman and itmakes the woman just an
instrument of a man's desire ifhe doesn't have to worry about
getting her pregnant.
And so he was saying chastity isactually you, you as a man,
loving your, your partner, yourwife, enough to utilize
(19:34):
self-restraint during timeswhere she's likely to become
pregnant, rather than just likecovering it up literally and
just having sex, you know, andto me I thought like what a
beautiful way to look at how tolove another person.
And it was.
It was interesting for mebecause I consider myself
(19:54):
progressive, I consider myselfmore left than right and you
know, and it's like the churchis like it's really hurt me my
whole life and blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, and I really
allowed myself to just reallyreceive what I heard and learned
and I thought it wasfascinating perspective and so I
wanted to see, like when, whenI say the word chastity, right,
(20:15):
like we know, sarah thinks belt.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Same belt.
This was a deep discussion.
That's what look.
That's what a chastity beltlooked like.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What's the hole in the bottom for for peeing?
Wait, can I see it again?
But there's still a hole, ohmaybe you're allowed to touch
things.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You just can't fit it in, hey you guys asked the
question.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I just answered it yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Um, I, I appreciate that perspective.
I think that sounds like agreat way to spin something like
and I like that idea that a manactually has restraint around a
woman sexually.
That's a thought isn't it?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
or at least intentionality.
Yeah, hey, we know that ifwe're gonna consummate right, we
know we're gonna haveintercourse, that it is possible
that, without any sort of birthcontrol, protection or whatever
, that that we're going tobecome pregnant and have a child
, and I think that to me, I justreally appreciated that it's
like he kind of, he kind ofdebunked the, the like oh well,
(21:30):
the church says this, so theymean this.
You know it's negative.
And it's like no, it's notnegative.
It's saying like actually loveone another intentionally and I
just really I really appreciatedthat that's good I've got some
christian news.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay, can you give me some music?
Yeah, okay, so we have theolympics.
You really failed us on thatone.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I don't know the Olympic music.
I'm very sorry.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Thank you for everyone, which, by the way, the
French dude that swam the 100.
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I know, it was awesome that was great.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
His name was Marchand Marchand.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
And the president of France is Marchand.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yes, and he called Marchand yeah, he did.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
They said ah, my name is Marchand.
My name is Marchand.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And we are French.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh, my name is Marcon , my name is Marshall and we are
friends.
Oh, okay, so the Olympics arehappening and my Christian uh,
my Christian bubble update isthat the Christians are mad.
Yeah, because the trans people.
And the last supper, I didn'tknow it was that big of a deal,
cause I have Facebook.
Oh, you see, you don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, let's fill in the people.
Let's talk about Da Vinci aswell.
Let's talk about the yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, so the it was the first time that the opening
ceremony wasn't actually in thestadium.
Usually it's just peoplewalking around the stadium.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It's just people walking around the track.
It's so dumb, it's so boringyeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean, we didn't know it was dumb until we saw
this year where they're actuallyeveryone's on a boat.
Have you seen any of theopening ceremony?
No, it's fine.
So there were these giant boatsand each country kind of had
their boat, or if it was asmaller country they would share
.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
They put several countries on one boat.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Like a little dinghy.
Yeah, they were like a littledingy, yeah, but they had these
insane like dance, musicalthings happening throughout.
Yeah, yeah, and there's thisguy wearing a mask, who was
carrying the torch on therooftops.
It was really.
I saw snoop, fascinating ladygaga celine dion.
Yeah, yeah, I heard about.
So all these things werehappening.
(23:57):
Well, one of the things, andyou know, even they had a marie
antoinette thing where they cutoff her head and they were like
honoring all the history offrance they were kind of doing
like a, an artisticinterpretation of the history of
france.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right is the way that I understood it super cool.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
so there was this moment that I didn't know when I
saw it, I I didn't, I didn'tthink a thing, I just was like
that's interesting.
Well, there are people who areupset that that in their mind it
was drag Queens reenacting thelast supper, to the point that
the Olympic committee even hadto apologize.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But, but to me it looked like people who were
theater people eating, yes, yeah, and in I don't remember the
name of the painting, butapparently there's also a french
painting, maybe by da vinci,correct that that it's argued.
You know, were they depicting apainting?
Not of the last supper, it wasof something that looked kind of
(24:57):
similar.
I guess that just sounded realdumb because I don't know the
name of the painting, but oh mygosh, what a dummy, stupid,
stupid but yeah, it's like a lot, of, a lot of people in my feed
as well have been really reallyupset and basically going like
I'm not gonna watch the olympicsif they can't, if they can't
honor my lord, like if theycan't honor my Lord, like if
(25:18):
they can't honor my faith.
And and I've seen severalpeople say like well, why are
they not talking about Islam orHinduism or any other religion?
Like, why are they?
Why are they poking onChristianity?
And so what do you think?
Like, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think it's insane.
I think this is art, and art isquirky and weird and always has
a always has a piece to it oflet's have a conversation.
So I think there these.
I think it's crazy.
I think I also think it's likethe Brene Brown phrase of like,
(25:54):
if you walk into the worldthinking you don't belong, you
won't belong.
Yeah, and I feel like this is aperspective of I'm going to
look for something to be madabout and have some sort of like
pious, how dare them moment?
Visceral reaction.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
When the Olympics is meant to bring people together.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, why can't we just root for?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
our gymnasts and our swimmers and all of that.
I think it's insane.
I didn't know, it was a bigdeal.
I was talking to someone todayand they were like what do you
think?
And I was like, is that reallya thing?
I mean, it's a big.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Thing.
I've seen a lot of peopletalking, which you know.
I look at Facebook for aboutfive minutes in the morning Like
that's my extent of socialmedia.
Um, and really I look at itbecause I like reading the
little like you know Sufi poemsand the little like you know um
things from Rumi and stuff likethat.
You know, like I, I really lookfor that kind of stuff and I've
(26:53):
seen so many people going likethis is an abomination to the
lord and and all of that, and Idon't know the intent, I don't
know the origins of it, I'm noteducated enough to really know,
and I also go like guys like artis art, it's so like I mean,
why are we so mad, are we?
so mad like to think that, likea drag queen, had to be
(27:15):
introduced to what the lastsupper was.
Or maybe the drag queen grew upknowing what the last supper
was and of course she did Sure,you know like, finally got to
express herself in an artisticway.
I don't even know if they weredrag queens?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Why can't they just be?
I mean, like if you go to anopera show, there are men that
are wearing not the mostmasculine things in the world,
or a ballet show?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
why is everything so offensive to people?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
get over it yeah, I am sorry, I think these, I think
you're crazy whoever you are,whoever they are you're crazy I
don't think that you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I I think that and you know this is always like my
stance on things.
It's like look, look ateverybody's perspective.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, just look at it .
I agree that's a nicer way tosay it.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I had a conversation with my mom about politics this
weekend, just saying, cause Iknow that our family has very
differing opinions aboutpolitical things and you know we
were talking about it andsaying how some family members
get mad at other family membersbecause of their beliefs.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it's like, okay, well, can we just go?
Hey, I don't agree with you,right?
And I'm curious why do youbelieve that?
Why do you think that that'simportant?
Because maybe I can educatemyself or I can go?
Wow, I do think you're crazyyou know, but it's like to use
anger as the as the response isjust.
(28:46):
It's to me, it's the reason wehave wars, like it's the reason
that humanity has a hard timesurviving.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, it feels I need to go one step further.
It feels like a victimmentality to me.
It feels I need to go one stepfurther.
It feels like a victimmentality to me, very much like
see, we have they're picking onus again and like I have no time
and space for that.
Like I mean, be offended if youwant to be offended, but like
(29:15):
don't stir it up, don't fine,don't watch the Olympics,
nobody's hurting for your eyeson the olympics, sorry, right
right, boycott the hell of it ifyou want to.
Yeah, we all have that right.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
But also like yeah, just check yourself because
you're gonna wreck yourself well, and it makes me go like if, if
this is offensive to you you'reposting on Facebook, which is
maybe or maybe not run by peoplewho believe what you believe.
Yeah, so you're using aplatform that you know it just
like to me, it just feels realshallow.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, it is not worth our time, so let's move on, so
let's keep talking about it.
Okay, I heard this phrase.
I'm not going to tell you guyswho said it, I'm just going to
tell you the phrase and I wouldlike to discuss.
Okay, all pain is the result ofthe resistance to your natural
(30:10):
self one more time.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Sit with that for a minute.
One more time for the rest ofus all.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
pain is the result of the resistance to your natural
self, and what that means to meis so much.
First, what does it mean to you?
It means that, um, I, I hadthis phrase once in my head of
(30:46):
um, I don't want to be complicitin my own suffering, and I
think a way to not create thesuffering because I think
suffering comes from attachmentis what I'm learning, and so
this idea that so, if I, if Ibackwards engineer this phrase,
(31:07):
which is what I love to do if Ichoose to not be resistant to my
natural self and I choose tofully, as my friend who passed
away a couple years ago said, weare the gift.
If I live like I am the gift,then does my pain diminish?
(31:28):
Could my pain diminish?
That's where I'm at.
How's that going?
Oh, I'm just at the beginning.
Yeah, I mean.
Yeah, it's going, it's one stepat a time, but I, I found that
so fascinating.
Um, and then it led.
It also leads me into how muchour thoughts affect our internal
(31:50):
kingdom.
Yeah, wow, that's right, yeah,and um, and the same person said
this you don't hold on toanything that you don't believe
is for your benefit.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Hmm, I mean, who was this person?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
This person was very wise.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So say that you are somewhere that you aren't happy
with, whether that's in yourmarriage, it's in your job,
whatever the thing is.
There is an unconscious beliefkeeping you there.
So you're in pain, you're inmisery, you're in suffering,
whatever that looks likephysical, emotional but the
(32:34):
reason that you stay there isyou believe it's benefiting you
in some way and yet it doesn'tfeel right.
Then there's an unconsciousbelief that you're believing
about yourself keeping you there.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, wow, that's.
I mean, that's heavy, it is,that's huge.
It reminds me of the idea ofthe inner critic.
Yeah, you know, it's like that,you stupid whore.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like that, like you know,it's like that, you stupid whore
.
Yeah, exactly it's like that.
Like there's a part of me thatbelieves that, right, and it's
like oh, wow, like that's.
I don't know, that's huge.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But the good news is the unconscious belief.
What I'm learning is, if youbring that to the conscious
conscious I can't say that wordTo your okay, if you bring it
into reality by saying it outloud, so say that you're like,
sometimes I believe that I'm astupid.
Or then it has less power, it'slike anything else, right.
And so if you learn to go oh, Isee you there, you are there,
(33:36):
you are there, you are, youcould untangle the idea of I
need, you know I'm, I feel likeI need to stay here for safety.
You and I were texting the otherday and I was like asking you
all these questions why are wethis way?
Why are we that?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
way.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, and we both kind of came to like oh well, we
believe certain things aboutourselves.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right and, and I I've learned in my studies we talked
about this a little bit a fewweeks ago, but one of the ways
toward healing is making thecovert overt.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yes, I've heard that so many times you know making
the unseen scene.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You know, and it's like you were even advising me
today before we started thepodcast, when I was telling you
about a relationship that I'mhaving a little bit of of
struggle with um, you were likesometimes you just need to get
it out in the open, like youjust need to talk about it, and
then it kind of it kind of umdiffuses or disarms and it's
like oh, that thing that I'vebeen feeling so much tension
(34:30):
around when now it's just beensaid yeah, and so now we can
contend with that instead ofwhat all of our imaginations are
doing with it.
And a friend of mine said to meone time she was doing this this
practice and I loved it is whenthat you stupid whore, like
when that voice came up, shewould go you are welcome to have
(34:51):
a seat at the table.
Yeah Right, you have an opinionfor some reason, and so you're
welcome here.
And for some reason, an opinionfor some reason.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And so you're welcome here.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And for some reason, kat, you think you're a stupid
whore.
What's that about?
Yeah, to like, really look atthat.
And it's like I think thatthere's a lot of wisdom in that
and a lot of healing in that ifwe embrace it.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I agree and I think you know a lot of the people
that I've had the opportunity tocoach are so unaware of the
voices.
They know I have voices, butwhen you actually go in and say,
tell me what those voices aresaying, that's a whole other
level Right, and then you haveto contend with those voices
(35:33):
which is good.
But so many times people willsay, yeah, I have that.
I do have that where I hearthings, but just writing it down
can decrease the power becausenow you have the ability to go
oh, I hear you.
Like you said, you can sit overhere.
But it's kind of like internalfamily systems work too, because
(35:53):
you'll have an, you'll havesomething you're working on, and
then another voice iscriticizing what's happening and
then you say, hey, can you gosit over here?
I always say you can sit behindglass and watch us but you
gotta just chill.
Are you down for that?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
You know I like that it makes me think of of a song
that one of my clients wrotecalled the stories I tell myself
, and he was saying that, likethe stories I tell myself the
lyrics of the song are basicallylike is that I'm the son of an
alcoholic and I'm never going tomake it, and all that kind of
stuff.
And he says in the song so Iremind myself by thinking about
Joseph, I remind myself thinkingabout Moses, I remind myself
(36:30):
thinking about Jacob, I remindmyself thinking about Jesus and
everything that they wentthrough.
And those are the stories.
Yeah, I want to kind of rewritethe stories of of what you know
my belief systems are aboutmyself, to reflect that of what
God sees in me or God thinks isspecial in me.
And I think that I think it's aconcept that is really it's
(36:53):
become kind of a a hotter topicthese days, along with, like,
mental health and self-help andand all of that kind of stuff.
And I hope that, like, do youfeel like it's helping people?
Like, do you feel like peopleare doing this more and becoming
more healthy?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
I think those are doing the work are, because I do
think that, um, you know you'rehearing those voices are
purposeful.
They're there to.
Oh.
Frankie is doing a dance.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
He's running in his sleep.
Frankie is going come on, shakeyour body, baby, and he's he's
gyrating my camera.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
In case you're watching and it was on cat.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
That was the rhythm of Frank.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I want to take it one step further though, because,
speaking of knowing yourselfwell, let me finish that thought
before Frankie did the conga Ithink what's important when you,
you ask those questions, I'mnot gonna, I I've lost it, I've
totally lost it, okay, but thethe the thing I wanted to go one
step further on is anotherthing that I've been.
(37:59):
I heard someone say that I'veand I want you guys just to
think what comes to your mindfirst.
You know I always love thatit's usually what your body is
telling you, but what comeseasiest to you.
Don't worry about if it's work,whatever, whatever, what comes
easiest to you?
I would love for us to answerthat, and then I will explain
(38:23):
what context I heard this in.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
What context I heard this in.
For me, what comes easiest forme is either wanting to
celebrate the good that I'mseeing come from someone else
and go like you're awesome, likeyou did that, or whatever, or
the critic why do you keep doingthat thing?
(38:54):
Why do you keep runningyourself into the ground?
Why do you keep like I?
My?
My judgment of people'sbehavior comes easiest to me,
and so I've learned to try tomanage that and to just focus on
the good, be aware of thenegative, you know.
Oh, this person is a gossip.
You probably don't need to tellthem all your deepest, darkest
(39:15):
secrets.
Okay, keep that in the back ofyour head.
But what can I celebrate aboutthat person?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
so like, to me it's kind of finding attributes about
people and their behaviors andtrying to shine a light on that.
I feel like that's really shinea light on that.
I feel like that's really easyfor me to do.
I love that.
I think that's very true, ohwhat is yours, Sarah?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
I feel like I can help people, feel like I feel
like I'm an anchor for people,feel like I feel like I'm an
anchor for people, like I'mreliable and loyal.
What does that look like?
Um, just safe to approach,hopefully.
I think I'm easy to approach,safe to approach, um easy to
(40:03):
talk to.
I want people to feel at easein my company and, um, maybe, if
I can anticipate or um, uh,maybe understand what they're
going through, or sometimes Ican, um, oh, maybe the word is
intuitively see what you knowmaybe they're feeling I can help
(40:25):
ease what they're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
How about you, Mish?
Mine is, um, I love helpingpeople see a way through a
problem.
Like I love bringingperspective, Like if somebody
(40:50):
come, you know, comes to me andis talking to me, like you know,
I feel like I can see the bigpicture pretty quickly.
And so I like the idea of beingwith people who want to
progress, are willing tochallenge things in themselves,
and like I love working withpeople like that, even as
(41:13):
friends, you know, like I lovedreaming with people and going
what else is possible?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Those are my kind of people.
Yeah, you're really good atthat, thanks.
Like I feel like, as isevidenced by things that we've
started together yeah, thepodcast, yeah, being one, you
know, the three of us startedthat because you you believed
we've got a thing.
Yeah, like we can do a thing,right.
And then we all came around it.
Sarah was like you guys havethis rapport.
(41:39):
That's just amazing, and youknow it is.
So it's, it's really cool.
It's like we talked about thewhole cat and mouse thing and
then cat and moose and like youlike kind of it to me feels like
breathe that into existence.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I love that.
That's like my favorite thingis like I don't want and I'm not
a detail person Like I don'twant to give anyone a one
through 10 plan of how to doyour life mission.
That's for chat, GPT, you know.
But I want to know what it isyou care about and I want to
(42:14):
remind you that you can bringthat to life.
Like that is exciting.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
So this idea of what comes easiest to you.
I was watching an interview andsomebody that I was listening
to said it's so important to payattention to what comes easiest
to you because we think thingsshould be hard, especially in
the Western culture.
We think like it's gotta be agrind or it's not worth it, and
yet it's not just like these arethe gifts that Christ has given
(42:43):
you.
I don't mean that.
I just mean like that is what,who you were created to be for
other people and it's generallywhat we want from other people.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Is that true for you guys?
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yes, that's so funny that you say that, because I my
whole thing.
Sorry, that really resonated.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
No, that's great.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Like I, I really do, and I don't want people to
bullshit me.
I don't want people to blowsunshine at me, and that's not
what I do to people.
So so what I'm looking for is agenuine like cat, you do this
well, yeah, like that, that,those words of encouragement.
If they are genuine and if theyare meaningful and not just
like placating me, you know,then it's like I really do want
(43:24):
that.
I want that because then I cantake that and keep doing the
thing I'm doing.
Right, you know, you're a greatmanager, you're a great
podcaster, you're a greatproblem solver, you're a great
you know healing artspractitioner.
You know it's like yes, okay,then I can keep doing that,
cause you believe in me you knowlike that feels, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, it's kind of like how we all want to be the
artist, but we end up being thesupport of the artist.
Is yours, true for you.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Yeah, I think so.
I mean I, I, I have heard itoften, heard it said of me that
I'm like a solutions person,like I, I, I can see the
problems, but I don't want tojust be like, hey, look, there's
a problem.
I want to like be like there'sa problem.
Here are a couple options toget through that.
That.
Yeah, can I help?
Yeah, you know?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
But are you looking for someone to be your safety
and your anchor when you're that?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
is Well and I feel like I've often said like we're
best at giving away the thing weneed most.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, it takes me.
It takes me like years to catchup with my friends, Like I know
that I'm smart, but I meanyou've said that a million times
and I finally get it now.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Well, cause we know what it feels like, looks like,
you know whatever.
So we could give that away veryeasily, because we know exactly
what that should look and feeland taste like.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I just got in my head .
Speaker 2 (44:45):
I mean you are bringing the hymns to the
podcast my utmost for hishighest.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Do you remember that song?
Oh yeah, I do remember thatrecord.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Okay, One last thing on the.
I think it's the very last linkI gave you.
Um, speaking of the Olympics, Iwanted to show you guys a video
and see if you could imaginethe three of us doing this.
Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Is this a synchronized diving?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
No, I wish but we could.
I saw some people like us tryand do the synchronized diving
and it reminded me of usspelling out cat moose in the
pool.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
We, we should do, we should try synchronized diving
for our summer.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Uh, social media extravaganza okay, let's see if
I can get this going this was inthe opening ceremony and I just
could not stop watching itbecause I don't know how they
did this.
Okay, I'll explain what it is.
It's the olympic rings andthere are people running on top
of them.
Wait, what?
(45:50):
How is that even possible?
Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
That is so rad.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
But do they have harnesses?
No, is the thing motorized?
Like?
How are they?
I really need you guys to tellme how they're doing.
They're using the laws ofphysics.
Okay, we'll play it again andlet's see okay what do you mean?
The laws of physics?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
it's a round thing in there he's running backwards
right, they're just running,which is moving it forward, yeah
how would you, can you imagineus trying to do that?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I would definitely not be.
I would be dead.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Oh my God, that is very, very cool.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
That is a level of coordination and dexterity that
I do not.
I no longer have.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
What would you break Every?
Speaker 1 (46:38):
absolutely everything I feel like what would happen
is I would immediately lose mybalance and fall to one side and
just break everything on thatside, you know, like my right
skull, my right shoulder, myright hip I would just go right
around it and it would just rollright over me.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Me too, I would get crushed by the following one,
but like I am so impressed withthese people, yeah, that's very
impressive.
I'm to do some homework andfind out more.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I thought you were going to say I'm going to do
some training.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, I might, I might.
I doubt it, but I mightOlympics 2028.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, cat and Moose, ride the race, here we come,
people.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Where is 2028 Olympics?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Nashville.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Nashville, tennessee, people, we're going to be
booking it down Broadway.
Man, oh my gosh, I just I'm soafraid, yes, I'm so afraid.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
That thing was like 20 feet high.
Yeah, it's really impressive.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
How did they not die?
They're really talented thereare some talented humans.
I have been watching it overand over.
I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Have you watched any close-ups?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
No.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I really need to do more research.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I was going to say, surely there are interviews with
these people.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Like it's gotta be the ring runners.
What do they have Go pros on?
What would that look like?
That'd be so cool.
I'm going to I'll.
I'll report back, yeah, okay,it was great talking to you guys
.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
It's great I.
I do want to set a little bitof a teaser for um for next
week's episode.
Okay, first of all, I want tosay, if you like and subscribe
right to our channel on youtube,that would be amazing.
Like, like, subscribe, likeyoutube.
Yeah, that helps us.
And um, I would like to saythat I tried to parallel.
What the hell Excuse me?
I tried to parallel park inEast Nashville this weekend.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
And I popped one of my tires Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yes, I'm so sorry.
Wait, do we need to talk aboutthat now?
Speaker 1 (48:45):
No, it was a tease.
It's a tease oh, what a tease.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Bye guys, we love you .
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Hey, can you play?
Come on chicken buddy.
Special thanks to our producer,Sarah Reed.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Cat and Moose is a.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
BP production.
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