Slipping the Pinky and Nunsense

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the cat and moose podcast.
I'm cat and I'm moose.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Hey cat, hey moose.
Hello Sarah, hello everyone.
I have to start off by sayingum.
Reason number six, four, twothat I know I'm in midlife is I

(00:29):
have a memory of my father.
Curious if your guys's fathersdid this.
I have a memory of my father umtaking his pinky and dipping it
.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I thought you were going somewhere else, I still
don't know where we're going.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Wow, wow, no.
Wow, that would be a start tothe episode.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh goodness, we just got 14 new listeners and they're
all porn bots.
Wow, shite.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
They're all porn bots .
Okay, so my dad, this is notdirty so he took his pinky.
He takes his pinky and he woulddip it in some VapoRub and then
stick it up his nose and spinit around.
And I remember thinking that isthe grossest thing I've ever

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seen, like you're, just likesticking your finger in your
nose and rubbing it around.
And I, right before we startedrecording, I reached over to
this little vape and I went andI took a big ol' sniff.
That's where I'm at in thisworld, you guys, is I am hot.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You're not too far from sliding that pinky in If
you know what I am.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
you're not too far from sliding that pinky in, if
you know what I mean.
And I was just thinking abouthow this is a great example
about how we can breakgenerational curses like we can.
You know you are not stickingyour finger in there and then
sticking it up your nose, likeyou are just mildly just
inhaling above the jar, like Ifeel like you have come a

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thousand generations.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm actually proud of where I'm at, because it is.
It does help wait, awaken thebrain.
Brain, don't you think?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
a little vapo rub.
Yeah, absolutely, that stuff'samazing.
I love it uh, sarah, pleasewrite down slipping the pinky in
for a title wow, possibility,wow, slipping the pinky and in
the vapo rub complete thesentence I remember one time, um
, I had one of our, our clients,listen to the podcast because

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we talked about something, quoteunquote, controversial, and but
I was just like.
I just want you to know thatI'm a part of this thing that
we're putting out in the worldand it's not consistent with,
maybe, the industry that we allwork in together.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's not consistent, so you don't have to worry about
it getting on some algorithmtrain or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's not going to happen, so don't worry about it
Not going to happen.
Falling in line with the quirksof life, I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hey, at least we got our branding right.
You know, yeah, sure, butanyway, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So what did we talk about?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, it was the episode called the Grasshopper
and the Gay Christian.
Do you remember that episode?
I?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
remember that that was a long time ago.
Yeah, several years ago now.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And we're cutting edge man.
I tell you, yeah, we are, Iknow so anyway.
So I asked them you know justto listen.
I said is there anything that I, we have done or said that like
you feel like is going to be,you know, heartful to you or
whatever?
And they said back to me.
They said, kat, I am notworried at all about the content

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of this episode, I'm worriedabout your episode titles.
And they said they said, if alarge majority of the people you
work with read your titlesalone, they might be offended.
And I was like, well, well,that's the point.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, is it relevant?
I feel like it's relevantbecause they're actual things
we're talking about in theepisode.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
If you're a patron, you get to watch Kat dig stuff
out of her nose and you get towatch Did she use her pinky?
You get to watch me snuff myvapor rub.
Did she use her pinky?
You get to watch me snuff myVapoRub.
So you know, one dollar canmake you holla, holla holla.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So, moose, you said you had a lot of content that
you wanted to explore today, andI have exactly one thing on my
notes.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Okay, well, let's just get.
Mine is kind of a quick take,so let me get just a couple
things out of the way, all right, something that I'm realizing
is none of my friends arewatching the news, which I don't
think you should I'm in favorof that and so they're a little
out of touch with what'shappening in the world beyond

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politics.
I don't think you need to know,I think you're just doing fine
here, but, um, but I thought Iwould let those people know, who
aren't watching the news, fortheir own mental health, some
things that are happening in theworld besides politics oh yeah,
that's lovely, that's lovely.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, this is the kind of news I'd love.
Okay, great all right.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
So as of uh, sunday, february 23rd 2025, at five
o'clock pm, central time, hereare some things people are
talking about.
All right, airplanes.
We got to come back becausethat's a whole other topic that
we need to cover.
Yeah, okay, so definitelyairplanes.
The pope is in criticalcondition.
Are you aware of this?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I've actually been payingattention to the news, which is
very not not my jam, so, um, Iam aware of that.
Yeah, that is news.
Yeah, it is uh, yeah, that's sadI think I, I just like, I like,
first of all, like I um am sadfor him as a person, like I'm

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sad that he's sick, like I'm sadthat he is not well, I'm sad
that he is in critical condition.
As a human being, I am also sadabout the idea of him
transitioning into his eternallife in heaven during this crazy
time that is our world rightnow.
And it's like it just feelsreally scary to me that, like a

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Pope that I think we all reallygenerally like and appreciate
how he thinks and the changesthat he has encouraged in the
church and and the way that hehas called people to love like
God loves, like I am, I'm a bitterrified that becoming unstable

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.
You know, it's one thing whenthe leader of the free world is
unstable and if, like the leaderof the world's largest,
arguably, church changes, likethat's so scary to me, like can
you, can you?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
it's scary it's very scary to me it is okay, I have
two thoughts on this.
One I need you to explainbecause I know you have some
adjacency to the catholic churchin your job.
Great, word.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Thank you, yeah, it's very impressive I don't think
it's a word Adjacency.
You are adjacent.
It explained it.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, I understood it immediately the first time,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I want to hear more about you saying it's scary, and
if you could give us morecontext of what does happen when
the Pope passes away.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah so so the reason that I think it's scary is I
think that pope francis hasreally um.
I think that he has reallyhelped the, not just the image
of the church.
I think that he has helped thechurch.
I think that he has said, hey,some of our ways of being are
not okay and we gotta, we gottamake a shift, you know.

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And it's like, so I, I really, Ireally appreciate a lot that he
has, that he has brought to thetable in in the time of his
leadership, and so I am scaredto have something that I have
felt, felt like, is like largelyreally good for the church.
Like I feel really really scarythat that that that's just

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going to go through a transition.
It doesn't even.
It's like I'm not evenconcerned whether it's good or
bad yet, I'm just concerned thatit's going through a transition
and we all know that transitionis hard.
Like I was just reading a memeearlier that says you know, all
these people have these thingsabout caterpillars and
butterflies and they just thinkthe caterpillar rolls around in

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a blanket and then comes out abutterfly and what has to happen
is the caterpillar has to gothrough a complete metamorphosis
and turn into the snot that'son your pinky, from being in
your nose with vicks on it, inorder to literally transform
into this beautiful thing thatflies you.
You know it dissolves, yeah, itliterally dissolves, yes, and

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then flies away yeah, and so tome it's like any transformation
that is happening right now inthe political state of our world
just terrifies me, especiallyone that I've been largely
really supportive of.
So that's what I mean by that,yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, Well, good, I just saw that he on March 13th
it will be 10 years since hiselection.
I guess it's an election right?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Oh yeah, tell us about that, do we know?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Well, I know a little bit about it and and I would
like to speak from a place of alittle bit more education.
Yeah, let's look it up.
I think it's worth an edit.
His death, whenever it happens,is still set to immediately
kick off a tightly choreographedseries of events refined over
centuries and hundreds of deadpopes.

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Some Vatican traditions dateback to ancient Rome.
At the end of the spectacle, anew leader of the Catholic
Church will be selected in ahigh stakes election, with
progressive and conservativecardinals vying for control of
an institution with a billionfollowers globally Wow.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Man, I'm so curious about the process of that
election.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I am too, yeah, and in the movie Conclave is really
I can't speak to how accurate itis to reality or whatever, but
I found it like incrediblyfascinating, like just the way
that like it's basically likeyou put all these dudes in a
room together until they canmake a decision.
And, sarah, you know whatthat's like Like you know what

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that's like Like you have justbeen through something like that
where you have to agree withanother body of humans that this
is going to be our, ourconsensus.
You know, and, and so I knowthat there are a lot of people
way more educated than me whocan make predictions on.
You know who might be.
You know, for lack of a betterterm running for the next pope,
you know who might be v know,for lack of a better term

(11:03):
running for the next pope, youknow who might be vying for that
, that position, and um, it'ssomething that I I think is uh.
I remember when princess dianadied.
It was right around the timethat mother theresa died yes,
I've always said that itovershadowed mother.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I loved them both, yeah me too, and it's like there
was all this, like you know,ceremony and pomp and
circumstance and everythingaround Princess Diana, because
she was loved, like so manypeople really loved her, and
Mother Teresa died and it wasjust like, yeah, but Princess
Diana died, you know, like itjust it just it kind of didn't
feel the same and so, and to me,I think they're very, I think

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they're both death has a lot ofgravity period.
I think they both died very,very is gravity.
Worthy of our grief, worthy ofour grief?
Yes, I just think there's a lotof gravity there, and so I'm
feeling similarly, that it'slike, oh, we've transitioned
leadership in our grief.
Yes, I just think there's a lotof gravity there, and so I'm
feeling similarly that it's like, oh, yeah, we've transitioned
leadership in our country,whether it's happened

(12:11):
legitimately or not, or you likeit or not, it's like it.
Just it is where we're at rightnow, and and so it makes me
really a little bit on the edgeof my seat to go oh, that may
happen in the church too, andthat, uh, is it going to be
eclipsed by a new executiveorder and Elon Musk, like

(12:31):
literally saying Kyle Hitler?
You know what I mean.
It's like I, I, I don't know,yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Uh, I, yeah, I am in complete awe about the Pope
thing because it makes me thinklike is, is there a hierarchy
where, like, the bishops aresort of vying to be the next
Pope, or is it not related tothat at all?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
No, it really is, because there are.
There are priests, there aredeacons who are not clergy, like
they're just lay people servingthe church, and then there are
priests, and then there arebishops, and then there are
archbishops, and then there arecardinals, and then there is the
pope.

(13:17):
Wow, I didn't realize, yeah yeah, so it's a very, very well laid
out hierarchy.
Yeah, um, it's, it's veryunderstandable.
You know, it's like you canlook at a flow chart and go oh,
the Pope's in charge, and theneverybody else, yana.
Um, so, yeah, so there.
Well, will there ever be afemale Pope?
I mean not, it won't bepossible this time around.

(13:37):
Yeah, there are no femaleCardinals, there are no female
priests in the Catholic church,for that matter.
So so, not, not any time soon.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Priests are like Episcopalian aren't they?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, yeah, or Lutheran, maybe too.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, methodist.
So they don't?
They don't.
I didn't even think of that,like.
I mean, I know that priests arepriests, but like nuns, they're
like the handmaid's tale.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean again, I can't speak to what it's like to be a
nun, but that is not myunderstanding at all.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, I just mean, I guess what I mean.
Well, okay, I'm pissing a lotof people off today.
I would like to say I have awhole shelf of books that are
written by nuns.
So I have a lot of esteem forthe nunship, but I guess what
I'm saying is that maybe thatwas a little sarcasm in there.

(14:31):
Oh wait, can you put that inthe title too?
Nonsense.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
A slippery Vicks, pinky and nonsense.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I think, it's nunship .

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I just made up nonsense, that's nonsense.
Yes, oh, it's funny.
I just made up nonsense, that'snonsense.
Yes, oh yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
it's funny, it was funny um, I guess my point is
like the the women can be ofservice.
Why I guess that was.
My point is like is a?
I know that this is stickyterritory for you, cat and I see
it and you're.
I see it in your very strictnod of, but I don't think you
should have said that still.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Let's not put words in my mouth.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
All right, so let's move on, guys, before it gets
crazy here.
Uh, you said you said the wordkismet earlier, cat, and I wrote
it down because I do not knowwhat that means.
Can you tell us me either?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
um, I, I, I can tell you what I think it means.
Um, this is an educationalpodcast, as you remember.
Um, kismet is kind of like um,the best way I know how to
describe it would be likesynchronicity.
Oh, I, like you know, it's kindof like everything happened at
a certain time and it justhappened to be that, like a plus

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b equals c squared times 10 tothe 10th degree.
You know it's like it, it'sit's like you can't make that
shit up.
You know it's like it justhappens and it's like well, is
it an algorithm?
Is it science?
Is it you algorithm, is itscience?
Is it, you know, spirituality?
Is it?
And nobody really knows, like,everybody has a lot of opinions

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about what it is, but I kind of,I kind of view it as like a
very, very peculiar timing thatmay or may not be describable by
science.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I love that Cause I believe Great description by
science.
I love that because I believeGreat description in all of the
everything.
I hate the phrase everythinghappens for a reason, especially
when it's used as like a kickin the gut, right, but I do
believe that science.
Often things are put in frontof us or opportunities fly
around us that we can haveaccess to.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, and it's kind of like Liz Gilbert's big magic.
You know it's like I'veinterpreted it through my lens
of Christianity.
You know that it's like to meit's the Holy Spirit.
It's like, oh, it's like theHoly Spirit orchestrated this
and this and this and this andthis to all happen in a way that
it did to for some greater good.
You know like, but who knows?

(17:06):
Let's look up the definition ofkismet, sarah, ok With a K.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I wrote K-I-Z-M-E-T, but that may not be.
I think it's M-E-T.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
K-I-S-M-E -T A Z, I think.
I think it's M-E-T K-I-S-M-E-TA Z, I think, I think it's a Z,
but I don't know An Arabic wordthat means fate or destiny.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Read it to us, okay.
Kismet is an Arabic word thatmeans fate or destiny.
It comes from the Arabic wordkismat, which means division

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portion lot.
Kismet, which means divisionportion, lot.
The word was borrowed intoenglish from turkish in the
early 1800s.
In islam, kismet refers to thewill of allah.
It's often used to describesomething that happened by
chance but was meant to be oh, Ilove it.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Used it perfectly, kat thanks, great job.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Thanks, I'm super proud of myself.
You're smart um.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Can we talk about eggs?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I sure I mean, if we can afford it, yeah, that's what
I'm saying like who knew?
I think we have four left inthe fridge and I used guys all
of mine last week okay, I thinkthat all of this is propaganda.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Remember, back in the 80s and 90s, it was like those
commercials the incredibleedible egg.
Yeah, okay, I think all of thisis just propaganda.
Like somewhere behind thescenes, like Trump was like look
, I'll cut a deal with the eggpeople if they'll do this for me
.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
You know yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
And so now they're like let's create a flu.
Let's create a flu.
No, not the egg flu.
The bird flu.
No, I'm talking about peopleare stealing eggs from one
another.
Yeah, okay, yep, they are, butyou're right, the bird flu is
happening.
And that is oh Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yep, they are.
But you're right, the bird fluis happening and that is.
Oh, is it why?
Because the price of eggs havegone up, Because I didn't know
it was because of the bird flu.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah Right, Is that true?
Or did you just guess that'swhat I think?
I thought that's how they weresaying.
The economy has gone to shit isthe price of eggs.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I think there's a lot of opinions out there and I
have heard, I have heard whatboth of you are saying and I
don't know which.
It is Like I don't, I don'tknow if it's because of the bird
flu or if it's a metaphor foreconomic crisis.
Like, I have no idea.
And I think it's really funnythat people who don't even like

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or eat eggs are riled up aboutthis.
Oh yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know it's like that's a great point.
I agree, but I've eaten moreeggs in the past week because
they seem like such a hotcommodity.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I know, yeah, and propaganda at its best.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
That and toilet paper in COVID days.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, and going back to the 80s and 90s, I saw a post
the other day that was like weused to throw those things eggs
and toilet paper at people'shouses.
Right Like now, we're allfreaked out about not being able
to afford it.
That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
OK, you're right, Sarah, I looked it up.
Eggs they're so expensive rightnow because of supply and
demand, eggs are now a commodity.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
You're right.
See what a hot commodity too.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Right, and they it is because of slow recovery from
the avian flu, which apparentlythis is the only.
No, I'm not going to do it.
It's political and I'm not.
Look at me, I'm so incredible.
Yay, um.

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No, I won't.
Um, that's that's.
Those are my main news points.
I wanted to point out I also,if you're an msnbc fan, joy reed
just got her show just gotcanceled, which is called the
readout, I'm shocked.
I love joy reed, so justinformation for you we have the
same last name yeah, you do nice.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I, um, I did a little bit of googling and, um, my, my
resource is called republic.
Okay, I don't know.
I don't know what that does ordoes not mean.
I do not know it's made up howI'm sure it's completely all ai
okay?
um, to be eligible, candidatesmust be male and a baptized
Catholic.

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However, while most popes havebeen cardinals before their
election, it is not a strictrequirement.
So strike what I said before.
The pope is chosen by 120cardinals under the age of 80 at
the time of the previous pope'spassing or resignation.
As of January 22nd, there are138 cardinals eligible to vote,

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out of a total of 252 worldwide.
A two-thirds majority isrequired for a candidate to be
elected pope.
If no candidate emerges quickly, voting continues, often
focusing on the top contenders.
If no one emerges quickly, thevote continues and, from the
34th ballot onward, the conclavenarrows down the choice to the

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two top contenders.
The longest papal electionlasted three years in the 13th
century, with three cardinalsdying during the process.
Oh my gosh.
Ballots are written indisguised handwriting and burned
in a small fire inside thechapel after each vote.
Whoa.
Once a candidate winstwo-thirds of the votes, the

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cardinal dean asks if they arewilling to accept the position.
If they agree, the new popechooses a papal name, the
Vatican tailors three papalrobes in various sizes and the
pope enters the room of tearsadjacent to the Sistine Chapel
to don his new attire.
Finally, the new pope isintroduced to the public from

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the balcony of St Peter'sBasilica.
This is deeply ritualistic anda process that continues to
shape the future of the CatholicChurch.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Wow, I had no idea.
But of course, of coursethere's such a traditional like
process to it as is how thewhole Catholic Church is run.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean it's like it's it's very you know, to
use the word loosely like it'sliturgical.
It's just like the liturgicalyear, it's like the liturgical
calendar, it's like there thereis a ritual, and I think that
I've seen a lot of peopletalking online about how, in
this time of so much uncertaintyand instability and anxiety and

(23:32):
all of the things that we'reall feeling some of for some
reason, that like the best thingwe can do for ourselves is find
our center.
That like the best thing we cando for ourselves is find our
center the best.
thing that we can do is checkinto the core of our being and
check in with our morals, ourbeliefs, our you know, tradition

(23:53):
, shit, our morals, our beliefs,our traditions and and also
like, how, how do I remain mewith all the craziness going on
around me?
It's very earth element typestuff, if you're thinking about
chinese five element theory andum, and to me, ritual is really

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important to people.
It's why we, we burn incense,it's why we have ceremonies,
it's why certain indigenouscultures have rituals that they
do.
You know, it's like it's therefor a reason and and I'm not
saying it's all good, I'm notsaying the church is all good or
any of that.
I'm just saying that, like I do, I do appreciate that there

(24:34):
that there is kind of a pattern,a path, a ritual, yeah, and it
does make sense that that it itis very um, ceremonial yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Um, can I say something without it?
I want everyone to know I'm nottrying to stir the pot or
anything, but I checked in withmyself and I feel like it's okay
to say this.
But I don't want you, kat, tofeel like you have to defend
anything on behalf of theCatholic church or any church
for that matter.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, they have not elected me to be their
spokesperson.
Last time I checked.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
You're next in line for the papal.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think the thing, uh , as as you were talking and I
was listening to all that, Iactually do enjoy ritual I.
One of my favorite things inthe world is when I'm in New
York to go into tell me the nameof it St St Pat's cathedral,
yeah, St Pat's yeah.
It's like beautiful and I likelast time I was in New York I
just sat in there for 45 minutesand just took in the music, and

(25:36):
so I totally hear all of that.
I what I was trying to check inwith me, like what is what bugs
me so much about such a maleled system?
And it's simple, it's, um, it'srepresentation.

(25:56):
It's like why, like, I love somuch about and I'm not talking
about just the Catholic Church,but those like when people are
like women, cannot do thesethings around religion?
That's so hard for me becauseI'm like, ok, god clearly
created us and so if, if I can'thave representation in the

(26:19):
church, that makes me feel likewhy would I follow this in some
ways, because I am, I don't haveanyone on that stage or in the
leadership on stage that lookslike me you know, yeah, I just
needed to share that.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's that is I was going to
say.
I think that's a concern thatis shared by many, many, many
people, you know, and it's it'sthings like this that that
divide the church.
You know that it's like okay,well, we're going to break off
here, because we don't thinkthat the communion is actually
the flesh and blood, thecommunion and the wine.

(27:01):
We don't think this is actuallyJesus.
So we're going to go create ourown denomination.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You know, wait a minute.
This is a piece of bread, right, I need his toe, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean, but it's like it really is a great
description of how humanity hasbeen divided forever and ever,
you know, and it's.
It's one of those things that'sreally.
It's really hard for me to, andI don't want to be a priest, I
don't want to.
I don't like as as no, I don'teither.
Actually, so, yeah, and like,at the same time, like I go,

(27:33):
like I know a lot of women inpositions of very, very high
influence in the Catholic churchand I would not want to mess
with them.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I would not put them in, put them into play Well, but
whether they're on stage or not.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like I'm like you're actually smarter than all the
dudes because you're not onstage.
Like you're.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
here's the question I actually was asking in my head
and I was like, should I gothere?
But the answer is always yes.
The question is what are youafraid of?
That is where I come from, whenpeople are afraid of all
populations to exist in certainsystems.
You know, what is it thatyou're right?

(28:17):
I mean there is something,because you know, and I I'm sure
there's something in thereabout doctrine that maybe they
believe doctrine says this orthat or whatever, whatever
understand that, but like whycan't more voices be heard in
the room, is always my question.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, well, and I yeah, yes, I feel your
frustration and I feel it.
I feel it Like I I know thatthat we've apparently made some
rule that we're not going totalk about politics that I
didn't know we made.
But, um, I like, apparently,like that's a big question that
I'm asking right now.
It's like, at what point doessome of this stuff like I was

(28:56):
reading this whole article on um, you know, reading this whole
article on um, you knowbasically authoritarianism, I
think is yeah, yeah, and it'slike, it's like at what point
are we gonna go like um, notokay, like, not, not okay, and
what does that even look like?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
yeah, what does that look like?
I have no idea.
I'm with you that's my thoughttoo.
It's like apparently this guyor these his people, whatever
can just test every limit andshow up and be like I'm gonna
try it, and then no one doesanything.
He's like all right, cool.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Thanks, I'm just gonna fire all these federal
workers and everybody's lookingaround going like can you do
that?
I don't know All right?
Well, he did it, so I justrealized I'm probably mad at him
and not the church.
Yeah, there are lots of modelsof this.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well, I was going to say there's times in history
where they're shockingly similar.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
So it's very fair.
They've always come.
What was the word you usedAdjacently?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You know what I wonder is like.
What will these days be talkedabout in the future?
Yeah yeah, like, will it belike us reading the history
books of, like you know,something as crazy as the
depression, where we're like,whoa, I can't even imagine that.

(30:19):
I'm not saying specificallyeconomically that, but is it
going to be a series of yearsthat people look back and go,
holy shit, can't believe we made?

Speaker 3 (30:30):
through that?
Well, we did that with thepandemic.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, and that's like just barely out of sight, I
feel like 2020 was like it'sjust been a bad train wreck
since then.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, and like, like, for me maybe there was more,
but like for me, the last, theone prior to 2020, was like 9-11
.
Yeah, exactly, you know, likethat was the last, like holy
shit, what are we experiencing?
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Then the airplanes.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Let's just just we're a cat, yeah, what else we're a?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
catastrophic uh catastrophic podcast I would
like to share that my lilacs aretrying to bloom.
Are they really?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
that's great.
So are we outsider?
They don't know about thepolitical.
No, yeah, we got to be morelike the lilacs.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, they're just trying to live their life
according to the sunshine.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah Well, and it's like in our text thread earlier
I was saying, you know, I wassaying something about our
consistency and stuff like that.
And then, as I was talkingabout it, I was saying I feel
like having a conversation aboutthis will make Moose want to
rip my eyes out and make Sarahwant to go tend her garden.
And that's exactly where I wasgoing is.
I was saying that like, like wehave got to revert back to like

(31:52):
what, what is nature, what areour bodies saying?
What is going on?
And it's like to look at abunch of computer generated.
We don't even know if the newsis real, like we don't, we don't
know the end of it.
You know, it's just like come on, let's return to the way of the

(32:13):
lilac.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I agree, Agree.
I had a friend text me and shejust said this is all a
simulation.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
And I was like it is like money's not real.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
just said this is all a simulation and I was like it
is like money's not real.
None of this is real.
It's like we're supposed.
Here's what we're doing, guys,you want to know is we are on a
giant marathon and everything wecould possibly learn in this
life we need to take it in, weneed to accept when the really
hard stuff happens and receiveit and grieve it and all the

(32:43):
things, and then, I think, nextlife we get to be dogs and cats.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I saw a thing on Instagram today about this owl
that this woman believed was herhusband, reincarnated Like, and
it like blessed her to highheaven, like pun intended.
And you talked about a marathonand I had an idea.
This was the one thing I wrotedown to, oh.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I just said marathon.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yes, yes, you did, we're in the kismet good memory.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You taught it to me, kismet.
No, but like.
Why, right now are we in it?
Cause.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I had an idea marathon, and then the one thing
you have written down is run.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes, we are amidst the kismet, thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
It was meant to be yes.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
We are kismetal mental.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
We're a kids mental podcast, um, so I had the idea
of what if we have an annualproducer.
Sarah presents the cat andmoose podcast 5k wait a minute,
consistent I feel like somebodyjust gave you fentanyl in your
ass.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
fake news.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, are you?
I need and where is my friend?
I need help, I need something.
I would bring up and you wouldsay you're fucking crazy, right,
I'm out yes, and so I amgetting a very why, does it have
to be a 5k though?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
well that feels the smallest amount.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
This is exactly how humanity evolves.
It's like I said one thing andgave no context.
Oh no, we won't let you talk.
There is no talking, you knowbetter you can't finish.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Okay, all right, I'm going to stop.
I'm going to make room for youA nonjudgmental space.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I will too.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
You may come sit near me on this pillow.
Kat, tell us about.
I'm sorry, we totally hijackedyou.
Here's my hand to hold.
Sarah's offering her hand tohold.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Thank you.
Thank you, Sarah, I'm holdingyour hand.
My thought was is that if wehad a Kat Moose 5K and we put
all kinds of marketing around itand had a big ideation meeting
around it, Like what could itlook like?
Like, are there wine tastingsevery 100 feet?
Oh, I love it.
Like, are there beds?

(35:07):
Are there stretchers?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Are there ambulances.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
This is great Like.
Are there also people Like wehave several mutual friends that
I know can pop into both yourminds right now who would be
like I will show up and run your5k you know, and it's like I
need that energy right now, likeI need a little bit.
I need a little bit of help tobetter myself physically, like I

(35:30):
am doing so good on like theemotional maturity training
train.
Like I am really doing a greatjob.
Like I had a conversation withsomeone the other night who very
gently pointed out to me that Ihave a few fixations in my life
that I need to look at.
Oh, I want to know, more aboutthat, like I need to, I need to

(35:50):
recognize that.
It's like, wow, I have gonedown the rabbit hole on these
topics or people or things orwhatever, and it's like I need
to just be careful and try tocrawl myself back out.
You know, and it just kind offelt like a metaphor to me of
like I feel like what we'resupposed to do is in community.

(36:12):
We're supposed to help andsupport one another.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
So why don't we?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
ask our community to come together for a producer.
Sarah presents the cat andmoose podcast five K, and it
looks like all of the thingsthat we just talked about and
then some you know, and it'slike what does it look like the
next year and what does it looklike the next year and what does
it?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
look like Is it an actual thing we get together?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
or is it virtual?
I would.
My preference would be thatthat we actually get together,
and I know that I probably lostyou both on that point.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
No, no, no, no, because you know what's funny is
.
I was talking recently.
Someone mentioned 5K, but itwas like a basically every, when
you said wine every 100 yardsor whatever.
It was like that with beer,like you just drink your way to
the end and I'm like oh, mygoodness, that would be so funny
to just have various stationslike couch, couch station, a TV

(37:07):
stop.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know what I mean.
Like bathroom.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Stop yeah Like, and just make your way through
wherever Binge Grey's Anatomystop.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I mean it's like whatever, whatever it just you
know to me.
I was thinking like it's likewhatever, whatever it just you
know to me.
I was thinking like it would bereally fun to get a bunch of
somewhat like-minded peopletogether and go what does this
look like, you know and justwatch it morph and shape over
time and then be able to lookback and go like, wow, look at
how this community kind ofevolved and shaped itself.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I just I think we should give prizes for the
people who are the last three.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yes, that's great.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And we should.
You aren't allowed to run orjog.
You can only walk it.
I don't know.
I think that are you going torun it?
I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I think prizes go to the first three and the last
three.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, no, I'm not saying I'm going to run it, I'm
saying like I need to beinspired by my friends who would
.
And.
I need for them to comealongside me and go just for a
few steps, Kat, like just for afew steps, like run it with me,
even if it's only to the next.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I have to say this is representative of how good your
mental health is right now andI want to honor that because
I've known you a long time andI've had you run one 5k with me.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
We did the color one and it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
It was awesome.
My sister, sarah, and I signedup for one on February 1st
because it was the anniversaryof my mom's death in Cincinnati,
and we didn't run it.
Like we ended up.
A million things came up and wedidn't run it.
Mainly, we didn't practice.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
We weren't going to run that.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Okay, I like this a lot.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
I like that, like we can do where people have, like
they volunteer, whatever thelike.
Wherever the route is, alongthe route, people are like okay,
I'm going to do, I'm going tohost this pop-up station or this
stop station or whatever, andthen in in areas of the route
where we can't stop, we make itlike a speed.
You know, this is the part ofthe route where you run, you

(39:16):
know like, and it's like ahundred yards a hundred yard
dash and it's like they'remaking fun.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
They're skateboards and there are dollies and there
are, like you know, scooters andthings that you know.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I love the scooter.
I saw something to help givethem a rest.
Yes, Like they're they're likeprime IV on the side, like
offering, like fluids, andthey're just stabbing you with
vitamin B you don't have to fillout.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Just sign all your stuff ahead of time.
Yeah, Fine People handing outdupes.
You know, like here, smoke thison the way, bro, and you I mean
and you can do all of it.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
You can do none of it .

Speaker 3 (39:54):
You can do some of it .
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
We'll, you can do some of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Yeah, we'll be.
Have a dupe station.
Yeah, I like this a lot, likeyou could, if you are, you need
like a break.
You we need one of somebody.
Uh, what are those called inthe philippines?
Uh, uh, that you ride, uh, it'slike a trike, but you can get
in the back and they'll take youto the next jeepney.
What is it jeepney?
No, no, what tuk tuk?

(40:21):
A tuk tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk tuk.
Yes, we'll have some tuk tukswhere, if you need a ride, we'll
put you on the back, or golfcarts.
That's great.
I don't know why I needed tohave a tuk tuk.
I really like this idea.
Let's do it.

(40:41):
You know, I'm k and m byproject.
Yes, it reminds me of when Idid those benefit concerts like
20 years ago, because I know howto get all the permitting.
We can't do it downtownnashville, oh, and we don't want
to do it downtown, no, we needto do like hendersonville.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah, I was gonna say this is a thing that it's like
it's gonna take place in likeiuka, mississippi you know like
it's gotta be a place that'simpossible to get to.
That only our community wouldbe willing enough to to make the
track you know okay yeah yeahit's gotta yeah, it's gotta be
somewhere.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Cheap but safe, yes and um.
I love these ideas.
This is great cat I really do,I'm really glad I need a little.
I need a little ass kicking aswell when it comes to some
motivation.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So that sounds fun and I think that, like I'm, I'm
realizing for me after all theseyears that, like the you know
talking to myself in my head,like in the voice of my dad or
my inner critic, or whatever itis, it's like that's not working
, like that's not working, andso it's like I I really have
identified lately that it's likeI just need support.

(41:50):
I just need some support and Idon't need a lot of support.
I don't need to drain anybody'slife energy.
I don't need to have anybody'sJing Chi get eliminated over
like that was a big how do youeliminate that Right?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Well, it's painful?

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah it, it probably is, and so I.
But I do need a little bit ofsupport, and so I'm curious if
we get any feedback about thisidea other than our internal.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, I mean, look at the feedback we had on the
holler and contest.
I mean these people they'relining up for our events.
We do need, at the five K, tohave a holler and station.
Oh yes, oh yeah, just let itout.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Mid run.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Just I mean how everything about our five K is
about letting it out, yes,getting that energy out, yeah,
it's like letting your shinshine.
Yeah, we should have like a, ahumping station.
Oh, where there's.
I was just being funny.

(42:52):
Like like people can um, Idon't know If you have your dog
with you, they can humpsomething.
Okay, Glad that was at the endof the episode.
All right, guys, I love you.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I gotta start practicing my walking.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
We love you guys.
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Have a great week.
Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Bye, bye.
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