April 1, 2025 • 40 mins
Life gets messy when we're caught between reacting and responding, especially when faced with challenging people. In the absence of their Producer Sara (who's off enjoying South African villas), Kat dives into the world of podcast editing—complete with an impromptu meditation backed by Heart's rock anthem "I Didn't Want to Need You." This lighthearted start quickly evolves into a vulnerable exploration of how we handle difficult conversations.
Ever had to deal with someone whose ego is completely wrapped up in metrics and success? Kat and Moose unpack the delicate art of supporting creative people through their ups and downs without becoming the target of blame when things inevitably fluctuate. They share personal strategies for maintaining composure, including Kat's approach of viewing difficult adults as children having tantrums: "You're just throwing a fit right now. I'm going to let you finish your fit, you'll be exhausted, and then you'll fall asleep."
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when they connect physical experiences to emotional processing. Kat describes how a simple sneeze released pent-up negative energy, which Moose brilliantly ties to Chinese medicine concepts about seasonal transitions and the body's natural ability to "let come and let go." This leads to revelations about neuroplasticity and how our brains create pathways for coping mechanisms that remain available even after we've moved on—"It's not like the pathway gets erased."
Between profound insights, the hosts share hilarious stories about flipping off Teslas, Amy Poehler's perfect response to being called "the poor man's Tina Fey," and mysterious childhood memories of abandoned buildings. These raw, unfiltered moments remind us we're all just humans trying to navigate life's complexities, sometimes as our adult selves and sometimes as the six-year-olds inside us who decided long ago they needed to take charge.
Listen now to find your own balance between reacting and responding as we explore the quirks of being human together.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, she's in South Africa
without us.
Oh, just hanging out in SouthAfrica.
What in the world, producer,sarah, are you doing in South
Africa?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's a great question.
Um, she went to some fancyplace over there.
She sent me pictures and it waslike an Italian villa.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I was like I think you're in heaven.
It was like so pretty, Ooh, hownice, Okay.
So uh, with Sarah being out abunch lately, you have been
talking for seven years abouthow you want to learn how to
edit.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yes, all seven years that we've been doing the
podcast, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And now you're learning and you started to tell
me about it and I was like, no,no, we gotta hit record, so
please tell us all how that isgoing.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, so um, I decided to take a couple of
tutorials, okay, and to attemptto learn how to edit the podcast
for times when Sarah's in SouthAfrica, because we could have
planned that right and so, um,so anyway.
So I was having a self-teachingmoment, um, over the weekend,
(01:28):
this past weekend, and I waslearning how to edit by.
I did a grounding meditation,okay, kind of one of those like
if you'd like you can noticewhat's supporting you right now,
or like this, if you'd like, ifyou'd like Notice what's
supporting you right now.
(01:50):
Notice what's supporting youright now.
No, I was actually just usingmy regular voice, because I try
not to have a table voice Like Iknow I do.
Is that a thing I have no idea?
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh my God, we need to call it and we need to totally
trademark.
That is like table voice,because if you are any kind of
body work therapist, you wouldknow what that means.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, I mean, maybe you would Like I don't know, but
it's like a phone voice whenyou answer the phone.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We don't ever talk like we normally talk.
See, I do.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
No, you go.
This is Kat.
I go hello, this is Kat.
No, you don't.
No, you go.
This is Kat.
I go hello.
This is Kat.
Yeah, but you're never thatcheery oh.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'm always so depressed?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, it's just a little bit higher of a pitch
than normal.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, it's a little bit.
It's got a little more energy,a little more high frequency,
for sure, so, anyway, so I wasusing my table voice, I guess,
and I was like, as you noticeyour feet on the ground, and
then entered in the guitar solofrom the heart song.
I didn't want to need you,which?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
is what Sing it to us Gone.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone.
I didn't want to need you.
Oh no, I didn't want to wantyou like I do, yeah, yeah.
Everybody knows that song andso, anyway, I was down here at
my desk just howling, laughing.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And so I started.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You have a new hobby.
Oh man, I have had so much funtrying to learn this crazy thing
, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You created a meditation where heart is like,
like that is the meditationmusic.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I was doing it to be funny, because that's how my
brain works, like when I'mtrying to like really sink in
and try to really connect withmyself.
There's some voice over heregoing you know it's like you
just can't really get quiet or Ican't no um.
And so I was like why don't I,why don't I show the world what
(03:59):
my what's in my experience is sowill you edit that into this
episode?
is that how that's gonna go,because I do feel like you
should try yeah, I feel like Ishould go, and now is time for
you to listen to cat's secondedit and it's like, and now you
may put your feet on the ground,and now you know like, maybe,
(04:21):
so, maybe, so, oh, my gosh'mtelling you like I miss her as a
human and I miss her as ourproducer.
I miss producer Sarah.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I thought you were talking about heart.
I miss them too, I feel like Iwas like five.
I feel like I'm five years tooyoung to have gotten heart, but
I do recognize the songs.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know the the?
All I want to do is make loveto you.
Yes, it's one of their big pophits.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Oh, I didn't know how do I get you alone?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
oh okay, these dreams go on when I close my eyes you
don't know this music?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I do.
I know all of their music yeah,apparently okay, you just said
the first song, uh what was thetitle?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
again, the one that I was using to edit uh-huh?
Um, it's called.
The song is called I didn'twant to need you, and it is
written by no other than dianewarren.
Of course, oh, of course yeah,well, uh, I is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm gonna say something you're gonna hate, but
isn't that the funniest namefor someone who's an enneagram
two to sing that song we'll saymore, because I know this is
gonna be a a slam on cat, so I'mready for it.
No, I just wrote this enneagramarticle, so it's on the brain
(05:44):
yes, I read it as twos.
You guys want to be wanteddon't you?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
oh yeah, oh, I want to be wanted.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So bad so it's just ironic that that was the song I
didn't want to need you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yes, I want you to need me.
Damn it.
Yes, it's an enneagram too.
I want to be needed.
Damn it.
That's my theme song.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Oh my, gosh, it's so funny.
Um, okay, I I love that and Iendorse all of your editing
skills and I'm excited to seewhat comes of it well, I'm
excited to hear what comes of it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
it might be a complete train wreck and thank
god sarah's gonna come home, Imean if you need any help.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm learning as well, so we can wait, you know well,
when I was in college, I was anexpert audio editor and then I
worked in radio and I got reallygood at it.
Um, but I'm learning audition.
What are you learning it in?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm learning in audition as well.
Yeah, and I'm learning that I.
What are you learning it in?
I'm learning in Audition aswell.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, and I'm learning that I'm a really good
editor Like I can go and I caneasily clip out stuff and add
stuff in and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What I'm curious about is I guess there's I know
there's like nine people in theworld who care about this, so
this is going to be a greatepisode.
We're an educational podcastgoing to be a great episode.
Yeah, educate.
Apparently there's a thingwhere you need to group the
vocal tracks together so that,like, you and I are talking
together and it's like I'mediting it as a group, and I
don't know how to do that yet.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
Um, I only know how to kind ofclip things out and stuff like
that, and then I'm learning someof the layering, okay.
So anyway, for those of you,we're sponsored by Adobe.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
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Speaker 2 (07:49):
know that right, agreed, absolutely, yeah, uh, I
just need my yearly subscriptionto be comped.
That's really all I'm lookingfor.
The same.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
yeah, I was going through my amex the other day
going like what else can I cut,cut?
Like am I paying?
Like like I subscribed torocket lawyer, oh me too.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Me too.
I've got 12 subscriptions Ihaven't touched in years, right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I try to go find them .
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But there's always one that's like, oh, you renewed
, and you hit reply and it's ano reply and then you're like,
screw it, I'd rather pay $59 ayear than actually call someone
right.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And so last week I had this experience moose,
except I got a renewalsubscription bill that showed up
in my Amex for $675, for whatit was for some website that I
owned one time.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh yeah, because you asked me about it.
Yeah, I always like buywebsites and then I pay for them
for years and then I let themexpire and so I got and they get
you because they're like oh,it's going to be 20% less if you
pay for the whole year, butthen Right, the business is gone
the next year.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Right, because it's been hacked or it's just failed,
you know so.
So, yeah, so I actually pickedup the phone, I called who made
the charge.
I called my amex.
I replaced my card.
I I was so proud of myself Imade like three phone calls.
Yeah, I mean you absolve myself.
(09:22):
I do, I do and I am proactive.
If you've ever seen it, posterchild.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You really are.
Here's your prize.
I think you gave me this, yeah,but I use it when I'm on
meetings, so you get to borrowthis.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
One day.
Thank you, and I will let youborrow this.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Oh, look at us and our rocks.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, this is my.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Look what I found.
You found the little kitty.
Kitty.
She's yelling at me, so you Ihad to show her to you.
Okay, I need to talk about howyesterday went for me, cause it
was a rough day.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, I'm, I'm here for it.
What happened?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, as you know, we were supposed to record this.
A couple of days ago, I kind ofstarted feeling nauseous
halfway through the day.
It was like I am not gettingsick, so I down like all this
wellness formula, all the thingsthat you do.
Was it morning sickness?
Yeah, no, I'm not pregnant andI'm happy about that.
Um, but so Monday comes and Ihad to deal with a difficult
(10:31):
situation in the workplace.
Nobody that works for me, butwell, I'll tell you this.
I've had to deal with a couplereally hard situations lately
and it is not lost on me that ithas to be connected to some
universal something truth.
So I texted you the other dayand was like hey, how's your
(10:56):
week?
Cause the past two weeks havejust been hard.
I feel like, and like not hardin.
I've been busy, I can handleall of that, but hard.
And I've been busy, I canhandle all that, but hard and
like difficult conversations.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah yeah, there's a difference.
Like being busy is one thingand it's like, thankfully, like,
even though sometimes we getfrustrated with it, like we love
what we do, like we love ourjobs.
We wouldn't keep doing them ifwe didn't Right doing them if we
didn't right.
And and at the same time, when,when you have to deal with
(11:29):
difficult situations within athing that you love, like that
can be really taxing.
So, like, how did you handle?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
well, okay, so I've started doing this thing where I
give people out and like an out.
Like, for instance, I might gooh, I'm not saying this is
healthy, I'm not on the recordfor this, guys, okay, this is
just how I operate in order tosurvive.
(11:56):
Like I'll be, like, oh, theyprobably had some PTSD going on
or something like that.
I'm trying to see people aslike children and not as adults,
because it's a little bitbetter, cause you're like, oh,
you're just throwing a fit rightnow.
Right, like I'm going to let youfinish your fit, you're going
to be exhausted, and then you'llfall asleep, right.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And then I'll have my way.
Yeah, that sounded horrible.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'll get you a little snack or at least you'll just
be quiet, you know.
But I I think the hardestconversations for me are when it
and most of the conversationsthat are hard involve this are
when it involves someone's egoand they're.
I mean, we deal with thisworking in the entertainment
(12:41):
industry a lot, but you know, ifwe get into a place as humans
where our value is based onnumbers or success, whatever
that means, then I think Godforbid that foundation crumble
Right.
Right, because eventually itdoes.
(13:01):
It always does right, becauseeventually it does, it always
does.
Often it comes back when itcrumbles, but there are times
where it could be an off week.
It's not even that somethingisn't working, it just could be
an off week and it's hard.
As someone who supportsartistic people sometimes to I'm
(13:21):
not someone that really wantsto explain away.
Well, well, here's why thishappened.
I'm someone that wants to belike.
I know I noticed it too.
Let's keep moving.
You know, like I just can't getstuck on those little tiny
things, and so I think it's hardsometimes when, when you're
dealing with someone who that istheir expectation all the time
(13:43):
is just growth, growth, growth,growth growth.
Yeah, because it's just notgoing to happen like that all
the time.
You'll have seasons of that.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, and you know we're talking about artists,
we're talking aboutentertainment, and a lot of
times it's not exclusive by anystretch, but a lot of times
those people tend to hoveraround being an Enneagram four.
And so they've got the threewing that is like perfection,
perfection, performance,performance.
And then they've got the fivewing, that's like data, data,
(14:14):
data, data, and it's like it'salmost like kind of a train
wreck from both sides, becauseright in the middle of it
Enneagram four, it's like I justwant to be myself and I can't
ever be satisfied and you know.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And also, like I want to be seen for who I am and why
can't be?
If it, if it's not going asplanned, like you know, why
can't people see that?
And then it's human nature I'mlearning, I feel like I should
have learned this in my thirties, but I'm learning it in my
forties and that's okay.
But I also feel like it's humannature to want to blame
(14:50):
somebody.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Like I always tell the story.
When I worked um, I thinkyou're going to know what story
but when I worked at a label,one of the bosses there said I
don't care who picks the singlefor radio, I just need to know
who to shoot when it doesn'twork.
And although that's terrible,also that is our nature of if
(15:14):
something doesn't work, who canI point the finger at?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Cause it's certainly not you, no, like it's certainly
not the person whose piece ofart is not working.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, and so I guess my whole point is you know, I
have been reactive some of mylife.
I've working my way out of that, I think, in a lot of ways, and
I just want to be a lessreactive person because when it
happens to you, it is just we asadults.
(15:45):
We should not, we shouldn'thave to treat each other poorly.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, this is very true.
I have a dear friend and clientwe both do who said to me
several years ago he said I amworking on responding instead of
reacting, yeah, exactly, andand to me, like that they're,
they're both like they're goingto be helpful in moving energy.
(16:11):
Right, that's all we're doing,right, we're moving energy, yeah
, and so it's like if I need toreact, if I need to respond, if
I need to yell at somebody, if Ineed to be frustrated, I need
to blame somebody.
It's just a movement offrustration, right, and so it's
like it's got to move somewhereelse.
So I'm going to pick, likewhere am I going to move it to?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And I really liked the thought of, instead of
immediately needing to move thatenergy, being able to respond
to it, to go okay, I'm, I'mgoing to go ahead and tell you
that I'm about to have a reallyhard time with this.
I'm, I want to respond in a waythat is mature and respectful,
and also I'm really frustratedand I need to move that energy.
(16:50):
You know, it's like there's alevel of matureness there that
I'm, I really have a lot ofrespect for yeah, so let's try
to not be that person.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I I literally text someone yesterday and said let's
get drunk, and I didn't mean it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I didn't mean it but it's like which.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
By the way, as someone who quit drinking for a
while, I was telling sarah thisthe other day I it's funny
because even though the most Iwill drink is one or two drinks,
and it's usually a beer orsomething now I mean like I
don't really drink a lot at allanymore, but it is funny when I
get really stressed to where myum nervous system feels shot.
(17:36):
It's.
It's interesting that my brainstill says let's drink.
Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It's not even my thing I do anymore, but for so
long that was my go-to of like,just take the edge off, just
take the edge off.
And it's weird to notice thatthat's still what my brain says.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, it's like the whole idea of neuroplasticity,
right, it's like there are.
There are neural pathways thatare created in our brain,
whether they're from trauma orhabits or addictions or whatever
it is, and it's like if you'vebeen used to for more than 21
days doing any one thing, youthere, there is a pathway in the
(18:20):
brain you know, like a habit isformed, and so it's like if you
spent two years or 10 years oreight months or whatever it is
going like, okay, the way I dealis I drink, or the way I deal
is I smoke or I eat or I fill inthe blank, whatever it is, it's
hard to unlearn that, and evenyou unlearn it, the pathway is
(18:40):
still available.
Yeah, it's not like the pathwaygets erased, right, you know,
and that's that's really.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
that feels to me like a little bit of a um bitch slap
yeah, it's not like like Iwonder if, going with that
analogy, I wonder if there's away to uh, uh from a healing
standpoint with, like, atherapist or somebody to put
dirt into that pathway so thatit goes away eventually.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's an absolute advertisement
for body work.
Is what's happening right now?
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, yeah, all the somaticstuff for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's justlike.
Okay, like, let's start.
It kind of reminds me of of thetradition in some cultures
where, when someone is buried,the person closest to that
person shovels the first shovelof dirt on top of the casket,
(19:35):
like on top of the closest as inrelationship.
Well, yeah, like if it, if a mandies and has a wife, it's like
a lot of times it's the oldestson yeah, it's a thing and so,
um, to me it's, it's just likelike therapy is like that act,
you know, it's like you're gonnahave to pile that shit on for a
(19:56):
long time for that to bury thatcasket, yeah, and and at least
you're working toward it, atleast it's not just like a
gaping hole, you know, right, Iagree.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, I've been doing .
I've been trying to, like Isaid, see other people as
children and also try and havethose conversations with my six
year old kid, um, which I didhave her, oh, she's over here
now.
I had to move my desk for ameeting cause I was sitting on
my couch and I'll get it Hang onone sec.
(20:27):
This have I talked about?
No, yeah, hi.
Hi, andrea, my friend Megansaid it's quite scary.
I didn't mean to stitch up herlips.
I'll try and put this onsocials or something.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I hate socials, God I hate socials yeah.
Yeah, I was talking with afriend today who said that he
has taken a turn from sayingthat I'm going to engage with
social media and turned thatinto I am going to engage with
people who care about what I do.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And I thought that was really interesting.
You know, it's like it's usingit as like a storefront, like a
marketplace, and it's like ifyou know you're using it to sell
something, then you don't haveto be as personally attached to
it.
You know, it's like eitherpeople are going to buy what I'm
putting out or they're not.
You know, so it's just such afickle place you know it is
(21:25):
anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So tell me about six-year-old, oh well basically,
what I want to say about her isuh, all the, all the things I
do that are reactive are becauseshe was a six-year-old who
looked around and said nobodyhere is being strong and I put
that in quotes because they werebeing strong, but in her mind
(21:49):
nobody was taking charge, so shehas to take charge.
And so if I remember, like evenhow I feel, like yesterday I had
so much tough energy inside ofme and then I sneezed I know
that sounds weird and I it allcame out like it was bizarre,
like so much energy came out, um, but anyway, uh, I was just
(22:14):
thinking about that yesterday,about how, uh, I was asking that
six-year-old what is it thatyou're feeling because my
46-year-old didn't know, thatyou're feeling because my 46
year old didn't know.
I just knew it was real bad, iswhat I felt, yeah, and then I
saw this thing online and it wassomebody talking about the law
(22:36):
of attraction, which I'm stillunsure.
If I believe, I do believethere is giant magnets bringing
all of us together at the righttimes and things like that, but
you think there's a magnetthat's making the earth rotate
and orbit around the sun and thesun orbit through the milky way
.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Like yeah, to say there's not some sort of
magnetic presence there, I thinkis really um ignorant.
I do too too.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But then I just got into like back to like the
pathways and stuff, like what Iwas had this season a few months
back, where I would say toeverybody just raise your
vibration, raise your vibe raiseyour mind because I do feel
like when I do that it is, itreally does change things.
(23:26):
And I wrote down this week lifeis what you make it.
And it's interesting because Ihave such a dualistic view of
the world.
I really do like whether and Ithink we all do by nature, by
living in this world, like it'seither right or wrong, good or
bad, you know black or white andI'm trying to look at the
(23:48):
different shades of thingsinstead of black and white, like
, oh, this is in my life rightnow.
It feels really heavy and hard,but this is in my life right now
.
To get me somewhere else andthis is where.
I need to be is in the present,but that's not always easy to
do?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
No, it's really not.
It's like having a sometimeswanted and sometimes unwanted
travel companion.
Yes, exactly yeah, and I thinksomething you said a minute ago
kind of reminded me of somethingwe talked about a couple of
weeks ago.
But I feel like it's even morerelevant now because this week,
this Thursday, at 4.01 am,central Daylight Time, is when
(24:31):
the vernal equinox happens.
Oh, yes, I was asking you aboutthat, sorry, yeah, yeah, it's
actually the vernal, yes, it'sactually the beginning of spring
, and it's really interesting tome that you sneezed and you
sneezed and that energy moved.
It makes me think of the energyof the lungs, the air and the
(24:54):
lungs represent breathing in andbreathing out, letting come and
letting go oh, that's good.
Out, letting come and lettinggo, that's good.
And the lungs, organ meridianpartner if we're talking about
Chinese, you know organ meridiantheory the lungs partner is the
large intestine, and the largeintestine lets come and let's go
(25:17):
.
It takes everything that thebody has taken all the nutrients
out of, and the only thing thatthe large intestine does is it
removes water from waste andthen it creates shit.
Well, great, it literally likereceives from the stomach and
the small intestine and it'slike, ok, I'm going to let this
(25:38):
last little bit of whatever thisenergy has come and then I'm
going to let it go, I'm going topoop it out.
Interesting.
And so we are moving from thatseason?
Well, that's not true.
We're not moving from thatseason.
I totally just botched my owntheory.
Well, here's the great thing isyou're the editor, so you can
say whatever you want, right,right, exactly All of that to
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say that metal energy moved intowater, which is winter, and now
we are moving from winter tospring.
So it's interesting to me that,like the grandmother of spring,
energy being metal is is goinglike let go, let go.
It's like telling the six yearold grandchild let go, like you
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can let go of that.
And that's really fascinatingto me that you sneezed and that
energy moved and that came fromyour lungs.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I feel better.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I really need to be walking and drinking more
water now that I'm listeningabout my large intestine.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm telling you what man like.
More water right now is areally, really good thing.
Like we need to hydrate.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think so too.
I actually looked up the otherday.
Is depression related to beingdehydrated?
Because I realize when I feellike I'm going in or maybe I
should have looked up anxietybut when I feel like I'm going
in or maybe I should have lookedup anxiety, but when I feel
like I'm going into a panicstate, I run over to.
If I'm up, I run over to thefridge and get a glass of ice
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water and I'm not kidding itlike fixes my panic attacks.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That is so fascinating because, like water,
represents our truest, mostauthentic being.
Whoa, yeah, so like if you're,if you're going, well, I just
totally burped.
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, you're the editor, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I'm the editor.
I might keep it in there, yeah,um, but water really represents
like the core of who we are,you know, and so it's like the
fact that, like you, would becraving that in order to satiate
anxiety, like that, makes somuch sense to me, I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You know what else is weird?
It's gonna get.
It's gonna get deep and darkreal quick guys.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay but we're gonna come right back out.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Cat, have something jolly on the other side okay,
okay, I've got it ready.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I know what element brings joy.
He was diabetic.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But the whole point is that rang true when you
described what he said as he waspassing.
He passed over very quicklyafter that and maybe he was
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seeking his true self.
That was going to becollaborated in heaven, not
collaborated, what's it called?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Reconciled.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's afine theory.
That's really amazing and sad,because it was you losing a
parent, and sad that he wasfeeling that lack, you know, as
he was about to cross over, andalso like how exciting that what
comes after that is is a bunchof like frustrating movement and
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energy bursting out, to thenrelease us into our truest joy.
I agree, you know which is fire, and so it's.
It's just really neat to wait,does that?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
mean he went to hell, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Just checking Yep, yep, the way, the way that works
.
And then he went into fire.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
He was burning, yes, he was burning in hell.
I just had some ptsd from someevangelical camp, or something.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, the stuff's got to cross over every
now and then, like you can'ttalk about hinduism or daoist
philosophy or christianity orany of that without there being
a little bit of overlap, rightso, no joke.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I, like I said, I moved my desk around so it's
facing those of you who can'tsee the video.
It's facing all my books and Ihad to literally hide some of my
buddhist books.
I had a little Buddha because Iwas getting on a call that I
was like that's not going to goover.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well, Really, oh yeah , I feel like I would have had
to obnoxiously left that there.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Oh well, there's other things that are there, if
they want to find them.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Hide and seek with moose, that's right, I should.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Every week I should put something new on the
bookshelf.
That is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yes, I think you should.
So this reminds me of asituation that I encountered
this week with someone who I wasin the car with and we were
just driving up the interstate,like heading toward my house
house, and all of a sudden shejust went like this, oh, and I
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was like what, what is this?
Very, and I just gestured,sticking up the middle finger
but kind of in a like a diagonalupside down sort of way, and
it's like a 1980s middle fingertoo yeah, yeah, it's like my dad
, like you're not you're notputting the fingers around it
all the way down, they're up tothe knuckle.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So it's like a real pissed off middle finger.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It's a real pissed off middle finger and I was like
, oh my gosh, like what did shedo it to you or to someone?
No, no, she like did it like tothe windshield?
And so I was like what are youflicking off?
And she was like that Tesla,that Tesla she's not the only
one I know and so she has made apact with herself that if she
(31:34):
is on the road and sees a Tesla,she gives the Tesla and the
driver the middle finger.
If she sees the Tesla trucktruck what's that one called?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
it's like the tesla I don't know why you call it
tesla, it's tesla is tesla.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Okay, yes, tesla.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Sorry for mispronouncing I don't know, but
they're not even trucks.
Well, they are cyber truckcyber truck.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
That's what it is.
And she said so all's get this.
And she said in the cybertrucks, get this oh, they get a
double middle finger.
Yeah, they get a double middlefinger.
So I realized that in my verytiny and I stress very tiny
retirement fund that I ampretending that I still should
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sell that.
Well, I realized that part ofmy portfolio is invested in
tesla and I I emailed the personwho manages my portfolio and
said I want out.
Yeah, I want out and granted,it's only like three thousand
dollars, but like I, don't knowthousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, it's like that.
We don't need Elon touching Iknow, I know.
Um, speaking of middle fingers,I just saw this video that
cracked me up.
It was Amy Puller and Tina Feytalking on Amy Puller's podcast,
and and Amy who?
I love them both, but I didn'tknow that this was something
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people said about her.
She said she was giving aspeech at Harvard and she's
about to walk on stage and somelittle Harvard asshole that's
graduating or something says toher you're the poor man's Tina
Fey, but she's telling this tolike one of her best friends,
Tina, and Tina never heard thestory.
And she like gasps and she goesyou know, they call me that
(33:24):
Right, which I had never heard.
And Tina was, like you know,appalled or whatever.
And Amy Poehler said she justgave that person a quick middle
finger and she goes fuck you andfuck Harvard.
And then she went up and gaveher speech.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
That is awesome.
That is awesome.
Can you imagine like hearingsomething like that right before
you're about to?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
step on stage.
Yeah, I've had that happen tome before.
It's awful I remember.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I remember when that happened to you and I wanted to
claw that guy's eyes out.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What, how mean do you have to be to try and just pop
someone's bubble right beforethey are doing something?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
vulnerable Right.
Yeah, that's not OK.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I was at breakfast this morning and one of the
gentlemen I was at breakfastwith said at one point he goes F
, f, f.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Wait, like said the words, Just said F, F, F.
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
The letter F.
Wait, like said the words, justsaid F, f, oh no, the letter F.
The letter F.
Like and I was like.
So I just like threw my handson the table and I said fuck
Like sometimes she just got tosay it Like sometimes you got to
move.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That Me and a friend were talking about how uh move
that me and a friend weretalking about how.
You know how angry I am basedon the cuss word that comes out
of my mouth like if it gets tothe level of a gd and it's
rarely happened, guys.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's rarely, but usually when I hurt myself,
that's what comes out of mymouth I'm not proud of that Well
, I'm not proud of my usage ofthat phrase either, and at the
same time, it was a very healingmoment for me when I learned
that I could say that out loudand not getting struck by
(35:14):
lightning, without gettingstruck by lightning.
I was in a therapy session, abodywork session, and I remember
it being like the pinnacle ofthat session where I said you
know what I want to say, becauseit's just not okay with anybody
in my life right now, likeanybody in my work, in my life,
(35:35):
in my family, and I wasencouraged like say whatever you
want, want to say, like youhave space here to be yourself,
and blah, blah, blah.
And it was it.
It was really, really healingto be able to say that out loud.
And ever since then I I havekind of let go of that weird.
Yeah, yeah, whatever that is,whatever you want to call that
(35:59):
well, well, I think it.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
there's so much about those things we weren't allowed
to do that are healing, to belike oh, screw that, I'm going
to go do it.
It's kind of like the pastor,kids going out and having sex in
the field, or whatever they did.
You know, do you ever havespeaking?
Okay, I had a memory the otherday and I'm just going to
(36:22):
describe it to you without anydisclaimer, because this is
pretty messed up If you say itout loud, I haven't said it out
loud yet.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So we had this area behind where I grew up that we
called the desert and it wasbasically construction.
It's just dirt with like hugemounds of dirt and huge concrete
things and like bulldozers, andI mean my entire childhood it
was uh, it was there.
So I don't think they were everbuilding anything.
(36:53):
It might've been where theystored things and everything,
but we called um, we playedthere all the time.
It wasn't safe.
But then I have a memory and itwasn't in the desert.
I have a memory of an abandonedlike a house, a barn, that had
been torn down.
But somehow we walked up somestairs and there was a second
(37:14):
floor and there was a mattressup there which that's concerning
and then there was a mattressdown and people which that's
concerning and then there was amattress down and people would
jump off the rafters onto themattress.
But I can't place where thiswas.
I don't know if it's from amovie and I've claimed it as my
own memory, but it's.
(37:35):
It creeps me out because Idon't know where it's from.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did you jump onto the mattress from the rafters?
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I remember being.
I can remember being downstairsand upstairs in this barn, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It was weird.
It makes me wonder, like whatdoes the mattress represent
downstairs versus the oneupstairs?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I don't want to know what happened on those
mattresses either.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I mean, I kind of do just out of pure curiosity, I
don't.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Why was this out?
And it was like in a woodedarea and I have no recollection
of where it was.
Who was there.
I just feels like a memory andI feel like I was like 10 or 12
or something.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
And is that?
Is that something?
Now, you said you didn't knowwhere it was 100%, 100%.
This is layman's therapy.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
So maybe my sister will listen and be like oh, I
saw that barn.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
She'll let you know.
Yeah, she'll let you know.
I'm curious to know more.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, I don't think anything bad happened to me.
Oh good, I do think it was aweird thing why would you?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
it's maybe it was just teenagers.
You described it originally asthe desert.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
You described it as mounds of dirt and machines like
bulldozers, and then I knowthat I at at first I was like,
oh, it must've been in thedesert, like that's how my brain
went.
But it was in a wooded area, soit wasn't in the desert I was
trying to place it and Icouldn't yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And were the woods protecting you, or were the
woods scary?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Like I don't want to talk about it anymore.
Okay, let's definitely not.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well, sarah, we really miss you.
Thank you for thank you forlistening, and, moose, I love
you dearly.
Sarah, we miss you dearly.
If this actually makes it outinto the world, I would love
some sort of applause or, youknow, head shake of shame or
something like that would bereally nice, yeah done.
Really nice, yeah Done.
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Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed, to find out more,
go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Cat and Moose is a BP Production.
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is a true life podcast where we explore the
quirks of being human.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, she's in South Africa
without us.
Oh, just hanging out in SouthAfrica.
What in the world, producer,sarah, are you doing in South
Africa?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
That's a great question.
Um, she went to some fancyplace over there.
She sent me pictures and it waslike an Italian villa.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I was like I think you're in heaven.
It was like so pretty, Ooh, hownice, Okay.
So uh, with Sarah being out abunch lately, you have been
talking for seven years abouthow you want to learn how to
edit.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yes, all seven years that we've been doing the
podcast, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And now you're learning and you started to tell
me about it and I was like, no,no, we gotta hit record, so
please tell us all how that isgoing.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, so um, I decided to take a couple of
tutorials, okay, and to attemptto learn how to edit the podcast
for times when Sarah's in SouthAfrica, because we could have
planned that right and so, um,so anyway.
So I was having a self-teachingmoment, um, over the weekend,
(01:28):
this past weekend, and I waslearning how to edit by.
I did a grounding meditation,okay, kind of one of those like
if you'd like you can noticewhat's supporting you right now,
or like this, if you'd like, ifyou'd like Notice what's
supporting you right now.
(01:50):
Notice what's supporting youright now.
No, I was actually just usingmy regular voice, because I try
not to have a table voice Like Iknow I do.
Is that a thing I have no idea?
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh my God, we need to call it and we need to totally
trademark.
That is like table voice,because if you are any kind of
body work therapist, you wouldknow what that means.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, I mean, maybe you would Like I don't know, but
it's like a phone voice whenyou answer the phone.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We don't ever talk like we normally talk.
See, I do.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, you don't.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
No, you go.
This is Kat.
I go hello, this is Kat.
No, you don't.
No, you go.
This is Kat.
I go hello.
This is Kat.
Yeah, but you're never thatcheery oh.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'm always so depressed?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, it's just a little bit higher of a pitch
than normal.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, it's a little bit.
It's got a little more energy,a little more high frequency,
for sure, so, anyway, so I wasusing my table voice, I guess,
and I was like, as you noticeyour feet on the ground, and
then entered in the guitar solofrom the heart song.
I didn't want to need you,which?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
is what Sing it to us Gone.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone, gone.
I didn't want to need you.
Oh no, I didn't want to wantyou like I do, yeah, yeah.
Everybody knows that song andso, anyway, I was down here at
my desk just howling, laughing.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And so I started.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You have a new hobby.
Oh man, I have had so much funtrying to learn this crazy thing
, so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You created a meditation where heart is like,
like that is the meditationmusic.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I was doing it to be funny, because that's how my
brain works, like when I'mtrying to like really sink in
and try to really connect withmyself.
There's some voice over heregoing you know it's like you
just can't really get quiet or Ican't no um.
And so I was like why don't I,why don't I show the world what
(03:59):
my what's in my experience is sowill you edit that into this
episode?
is that how that's gonna go,because I do feel like you
should try yeah, I feel like Ishould go, and now is time for
you to listen to cat's secondedit and it's like, and now you
may put your feet on the ground,and now you know like, maybe,
(04:21):
so, maybe, so, oh, my gosh'mtelling you like I miss her as a
human and I miss her as ourproducer.
I miss producer Sarah.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, I thought you were talking about heart.
I miss them too, I feel like Iwas like five.
I feel like I'm five years tooyoung to have gotten heart, but
I do recognize the songs.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know the the?
All I want to do is make loveto you.
Yes, it's one of their big pophits.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Oh, I didn't know how do I get you alone?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
oh okay, these dreams go on when I close my eyes you
don't know this music?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I do.
I know all of their music yeah,apparently okay, you just said
the first song, uh what was thetitle?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
again, the one that I was using to edit uh-huh?
Um, it's called.
The song is called I didn'twant to need you, and it is
written by no other than dianewarren.
Of course, oh, of course yeah,well, uh, I is.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm gonna say something you're gonna hate, but
isn't that the funniest namefor someone who's an enneagram
two to sing that song we'll saymore, because I know this is
gonna be a a slam on cat, so I'mready for it.
No, I just wrote this enneagramarticle, so it's on the brain
(05:44):
yes, I read it as twos.
You guys want to be wanteddon't you?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
oh yeah, oh, I want to be wanted.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So bad so it's just ironic that that was the song I
didn't want to need you.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yes, I want you to need me.
Damn it.
Yes, it's an enneagram too.
I want to be needed.
Damn it.
That's my theme song.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Oh my, gosh, it's so funny.
Um, okay, I I love that and Iendorse all of your editing
skills and I'm excited to seewhat comes of it well, I'm
excited to hear what comes of it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
it might be a complete train wreck and thank
god sarah's gonna come home, Imean if you need any help.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm learning as well, so we can wait, you know well,
when I was in college, I was anexpert audio editor and then I
worked in radio and I got reallygood at it.
Um, but I'm learning audition.
What are you learning it in?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm learning in audition as well.
Yeah, and I'm learning that I.
What are you learning it in?
I'm learning in Audition aswell.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, and I'm learning that I'm a really good
editor Like I can go and I caneasily clip out stuff and add
stuff in and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
What I'm curious about is I guess there's I know
there's like nine people in theworld who care about this, so
this is going to be a greatepisode.
We're an educational podcastgoing to be a great episode.
Yeah, educate.
Apparently there's a thingwhere you need to group the
vocal tracks together so that,like, you and I are talking
together and it's like I'mediting it as a group, and I
don't know how to do that yet.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
Um, I only know how to kind ofclip things out and stuff like
that, and then I'm learning someof the layering, okay.
So anyway, for those of you,we're sponsored by Adobe.
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Speaker 2 (07:49):
know that right, agreed, absolutely, yeah, uh, I
just need my yearly subscriptionto be comped.
That's really all I'm lookingfor.
The same.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
yeah, I was going through my amex the other day
going like what else can I cut,cut?
Like am I paying?
Like like I subscribed torocket lawyer, oh me too.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Me too.
I've got 12 subscriptions Ihaven't touched in years, right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I try to go find them .
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But there's always one that's like, oh, you renewed
, and you hit reply and it's ano reply and then you're like,
screw it, I'd rather pay $59 ayear than actually call someone
right.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And so last week I had this experience moose,
except I got a renewalsubscription bill that showed up
in my Amex for $675, for whatit was for some website that I
owned one time.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh yeah, because you asked me about it.
Yeah, I always like buywebsites and then I pay for them
for years and then I let themexpire and so I got and they get
you because they're like oh,it's going to be 20% less if you
pay for the whole year, butthen Right, the business is gone
the next year.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Right, because it's been hacked or it's just failed,
you know so.
So, yeah, so I actually pickedup the phone, I called who made
the charge.
I called my amex.
I replaced my card.
I I was so proud of myself Imade like three phone calls.
Yeah, I mean you absolve myself.
(09:22):
I do, I do and I am proactive.
If you've ever seen it, posterchild.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You really are.
Here's your prize.
I think you gave me this, yeah,but I use it when I'm on
meetings, so you get to borrowthis.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
One day.
Thank you, and I will let youborrow this.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Oh, look at us and our rocks.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, this is my.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Look what I found.
You found the little kitty.
Kitty.
She's yelling at me, so you Ihad to show her to you.
Okay, I need to talk about howyesterday went for me, cause it
was a rough day.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, I'm, I'm here for it.
What happened?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, as you know, we were supposed to record this.
A couple of days ago, I kind ofstarted feeling nauseous
halfway through the day.
It was like I am not gettingsick, so I down like all this
wellness formula, all the thingsthat you do.
Was it morning sickness?
Yeah, no, I'm not pregnant andI'm happy about that.
Um, but so Monday comes and Ihad to deal with a difficult
(10:31):
situation in the workplace.
Nobody that works for me, butwell, I'll tell you this.
I've had to deal with a couplereally hard situations lately
and it is not lost on me that ithas to be connected to some
universal something truth.
So I texted you the other dayand was like hey, how's your
(10:56):
week?
Cause the past two weeks havejust been hard.
I feel like, and like not hardin.
I've been busy, I can handleall of that, but hard.
And I've been busy, I canhandle all that, but hard and
like difficult conversations.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah yeah, there's a difference.
Like being busy is one thingand it's like, thankfully, like,
even though sometimes we getfrustrated with it, like we love
what we do, like we love ourjobs.
We wouldn't keep doing them ifwe didn't Right doing them if we
didn't right.
And and at the same time, when,when you have to deal with
(11:29):
difficult situations within athing that you love, like that
can be really taxing.
So, like, how did you handle?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
well, okay, so I've started doing this thing where I
give people out and like an out.
Like, for instance, I might gooh, I'm not saying this is
healthy, I'm not on the recordfor this, guys, okay, this is
just how I operate in order tosurvive.
(11:56):
Like I'll be, like, oh, theyprobably had some PTSD going on
or something like that.
I'm trying to see people aslike children and not as adults,
because it's a little bitbetter, cause you're like, oh,
you're just throwing a fit rightnow.
Right, like I'm going to let youfinish your fit, you're going
to be exhausted, and then you'llfall asleep, right.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And then I'll have my way.
Yeah, that sounded horrible.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'll get you a little snack or at least you'll just
be quiet, you know.
But I I think the hardestconversations for me are when it
and most of the conversationsthat are hard involve this are
when it involves someone's egoand they're.
I mean, we deal with thisworking in the entertainment
(12:41):
industry a lot, but you know, ifwe get into a place as humans
where our value is based onnumbers or success, whatever
that means, then I think Godforbid that foundation crumble
Right.
Right, because eventually itdoes.
(13:01):
It always does right, becauseeventually it does, it always
does.
Often it comes back when itcrumbles, but there are times
where it could be an off week.
It's not even that somethingisn't working, it just could be
an off week and it's hard.
As someone who supportsartistic people sometimes to I'm
(13:21):
not someone that really wantsto explain away.
Well, well, here's why thishappened.
I'm someone that wants to belike.
I know I noticed it too.
Let's keep moving.
You know, like I just can't getstuck on those little tiny
things, and so I think it's hardsometimes when, when you're
dealing with someone who that istheir expectation all the time
(13:43):
is just growth, growth, growth,growth growth.
Yeah, because it's just notgoing to happen like that all
the time.
You'll have seasons of that.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, and you know we're talking about artists,
we're talking aboutentertainment, and a lot of
times it's not exclusive by anystretch, but a lot of times
those people tend to hoveraround being an Enneagram four.
And so they've got the threewing that is like perfection,
perfection, performance,performance.
And then they've got the fivewing, that's like data, data,
(14:14):
data, data, and it's like it'salmost like kind of a train
wreck from both sides, becauseright in the middle of it
Enneagram four, it's like I justwant to be myself and I can't
ever be satisfied and you know.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And also, like I want to be seen for who I am and why
can't be?
If it, if it's not going asplanned, like you know, why
can't people see that?
And then it's human nature I'mlearning, I feel like I should
have learned this in my thirties, but I'm learning it in my
forties and that's okay.
But I also feel like it's humannature to want to blame
(14:50):
somebody.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Like I always tell the story.
When I worked um, I thinkyou're going to know what story
but when I worked at a label,one of the bosses there said I
don't care who picks the singlefor radio, I just need to know
who to shoot when it doesn'twork.
And although that's terrible,also that is our nature of if
(15:14):
something doesn't work, who canI point the finger at?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Cause it's certainly not you, no, like it's certainly
not the person whose piece ofart is not working.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Right, and so I guess my whole point is you know, I
have been reactive some of mylife.
I've working my way out of that, I think, in a lot of ways, and
I just want to be a lessreactive person because when it
happens to you, it is just we asadults.
(15:45):
We should not, we shouldn'thave to treat each other poorly.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, this is very true.
I have a dear friend and clientwe both do who said to me
several years ago he said I amworking on responding instead of
reacting, yeah, exactly, andand to me, like that they're,
they're both like they're goingto be helpful in moving energy.
(16:11):
Right, that's all we're doing,right, we're moving energy, yeah
, and so it's like if I need toreact, if I need to respond, if
I need to yell at somebody, if Ineed to be frustrated, I need
to blame somebody.
It's just a movement offrustration, right, and so it's
like it's got to move somewhereelse.
So I'm going to pick, likewhere am I going to move it to?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And I really liked the thought of, instead of
immediately needing to move thatenergy, being able to respond
to it, to go okay, I'm, I'mgoing to go ahead and tell you
that I'm about to have a reallyhard time with this.
I'm, I want to respond in a waythat is mature and respectful,
and also I'm really frustratedand I need to move that energy.
(16:50):
You know, it's like there's alevel of matureness there that
I'm, I really have a lot ofrespect for yeah, so let's try
to not be that person.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I I literally text someone yesterday and said let's
get drunk, and I didn't mean it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I didn't mean it but it's like which.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
By the way, as someone who quit drinking for a
while, I was telling sarah thisthe other day I it's funny
because even though the most Iwill drink is one or two drinks,
and it's usually a beer orsomething now I mean like I
don't really drink a lot at allanymore, but it is funny when I
get really stressed to where myum nervous system feels shot.
(17:36):
It's.
It's interesting that my brainstill says let's drink.
Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It's not even my thing I do anymore, but for so
long that was my go-to of like,just take the edge off, just
take the edge off.
And it's weird to notice thatthat's still what my brain says.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, it's like the whole idea of neuroplasticity,
right, it's like there are.
There are neural pathways thatare created in our brain,
whether they're from trauma orhabits or addictions or whatever
it is, and it's like if you'vebeen used to for more than 21
days doing any one thing, youthere, there is a pathway in the
(18:20):
brain you know, like a habit isformed, and so it's like if you
spent two years or 10 years oreight months or whatever it is
going like, okay, the way I dealis I drink, or the way I deal
is I smoke or I eat or I fill inthe blank, whatever it is, it's
hard to unlearn that, and evenyou unlearn it, the pathway is
(18:40):
still available.
Yeah, it's not like the pathwaygets erased, right, you know,
and that's that's really.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
that feels to me like a little bit of a um bitch slap
yeah, it's not like like Iwonder if, going with that
analogy, I wonder if there's away to uh, uh from a healing
standpoint with, like, atherapist or somebody to put
dirt into that pathway so thatit goes away eventually.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's an absolute advertisement
for body work.
Is what's happening right now?
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, yeah, all the somaticstuff for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's justlike.
Okay, like, let's start.
It kind of reminds me of of thetradition in some cultures
where, when someone is buried,the person closest to that
person shovels the first shovelof dirt on top of the casket,
(19:35):
like on top of the closest as inrelationship.
Well, yeah, like if it, if a mandies and has a wife, it's like
a lot of times it's the oldestson yeah, it's a thing and so,
um, to me it's, it's just likelike therapy is like that act,
you know, it's like you're gonnahave to pile that shit on for a
(19:56):
long time for that to bury thatcasket, yeah, and and at least
you're working toward it, atleast it's not just like a
gaping hole, you know, right, Iagree.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, I've been doing .
I've been trying to, like Isaid, see other people as
children and also try and havethose conversations with my six
year old kid, um, which I didhave her, oh, she's over here
now.
I had to move my desk for ameeting cause I was sitting on
my couch and I'll get it Hang onone sec.
(20:27):
This have I talked about?
No, yeah, hi.
Hi, andrea, my friend Megansaid it's quite scary.
I didn't mean to stitch up herlips.
I'll try and put this onsocials or something.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I hate socials, God I hate socials yeah.
Yeah, I was talking with afriend today who said that he
has taken a turn from sayingthat I'm going to engage with
social media and turned thatinto I am going to engage with
people who care about what I do.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Oh, that's good.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
And I thought that was really interesting.
You know, it's like it's usingit as like a storefront, like a
marketplace, and it's like ifyou know you're using it to sell
something, then you don't haveto be as personally attached to
it.
You know, it's like eitherpeople are going to buy what I'm
putting out or they're not.
You know, so it's just such afickle place you know it is
(21:25):
anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So tell me about six-year-old, oh well basically,
what I want to say about her isuh, all the, all the things I
do that are reactive are becauseshe was a six-year-old who
looked around and said nobodyhere is being strong and I put
that in quotes because they werebeing strong, but in her mind
(21:49):
nobody was taking charge, so shehas to take charge.
And so if I remember, like evenhow I feel, like yesterday I had
so much tough energy inside ofme and then I sneezed I know
that sounds weird and I it allcame out like it was bizarre,
like so much energy came out, um, but anyway, uh, I was just
(22:14):
thinking about that yesterday,about how, uh, I was asking that
six-year-old what is it thatyou're feeling because my
46-year-old didn't know, thatyou're feeling because my 46
year old didn't know.
I just knew it was real bad, iswhat I felt, yeah, and then I
saw this thing online and it wassomebody talking about the law
(22:36):
of attraction, which I'm stillunsure.
If I believe, I do believethere is giant magnets bringing
all of us together at the righttimes and things like that, but
you think there's a magnetthat's making the earth rotate
and orbit around the sun and thesun orbit through the milky way
.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Like yeah, to say there's not some sort of
magnetic presence there, I thinkis really um ignorant.
I do too too.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But then I just got into like back to like the
pathways and stuff, like what Iwas had this season a few months
back, where I would say toeverybody just raise your
vibration, raise your vibe raiseyour mind because I do feel
like when I do that it is, itreally does change things.
(23:26):
And I wrote down this week lifeis what you make it.
And it's interesting because Ihave such a dualistic view of
the world.
I really do like whether and Ithink we all do by nature, by
living in this world, like it'seither right or wrong, good or
bad, you know black or white andI'm trying to look at the
(23:48):
different shades of thingsinstead of black and white, like
, oh, this is in my life rightnow.
It feels really heavy and hard,but this is in my life right now
.
To get me somewhere else andthis is where.
I need to be is in the present,but that's not always easy to
do?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
No, it's really not.
It's like having a sometimeswanted and sometimes unwanted
travel companion.
Yes, exactly yeah, and I thinksomething you said a minute ago
kind of reminded me of somethingwe talked about a couple of
weeks ago.
But I feel like it's even morerelevant now because this week,
this Thursday, at 4.01 am,central Daylight Time, is when
(24:31):
the vernal equinox happens.
Oh, yes, I was asking you aboutthat, sorry, yeah, yeah, it's
actually the vernal, yes, it'sactually the beginning of spring
, and it's really interesting tome that you sneezed and you
sneezed and that energy moved.
It makes me think of the energyof the lungs, the air and the
(24:54):
lungs represent breathing in andbreathing out, letting come and
letting go oh, that's good.
Out, letting come and lettinggo, that's good.
And the lungs, organ meridianpartner if we're talking about
Chinese, you know organ meridiantheory the lungs partner is the
large intestine, and the largeintestine lets come and let's go
(25:17):
.
It takes everything that thebody has taken all the nutrients
out of, and the only thing thatthe large intestine does is it
removes water from waste andthen it creates shit.
Well, great, it literally likereceives from the stomach and
the small intestine and it'slike, ok, I'm going to let this
(25:38):
last little bit of whatever thisenergy has come and then I'm
going to let it go, I'm going topoop it out.
Interesting.
And so we are moving from thatseason?
Well, that's not true.
We're not moving from thatseason.
I totally just botched my owntheory.
Well, here's the great thing isyou're the editor, so you can
say whatever you want, right,right, exactly All of that to
(26:00):
say that metal energy moved intowater, which is winter, and now
we are moving from winter tospring.
So it's interesting to me that,like the grandmother of spring,
energy being metal is is goinglike let go, let go.
It's like telling the six yearold grandchild let go, like you
(26:23):
can let go of that.
And that's really fascinatingto me that you sneezed and that
energy moved and that came fromyour lungs.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I feel better.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I really need to be walking and drinking more
water now that I'm listeningabout my large intestine.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm telling you what man like.
More water right now is areally, really good thing.
Like we need to hydrate.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I think so too.
I actually looked up the otherday.
Is depression related to beingdehydrated?
Because I realize when I feellike I'm going in or maybe I
should have looked up anxietybut when I feel like I'm going
in or maybe I should have lookedup anxiety, but when I feel
like I'm going into a panicstate, I run over to.
If I'm up, I run over to thefridge and get a glass of ice
(27:11):
water and I'm not kidding itlike fixes my panic attacks.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That is so fascinating because, like water,
represents our truest, mostauthentic being.
Whoa, yeah, so like if you're,if you're going, well, I just
totally burped.
That was awesome.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, you're the editor, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I'm the editor.
I might keep it in there, yeah,um, but water really represents
like the core of who we are,you know, and so it's like the
fact that, like you, would becraving that in order to satiate
anxiety, like that, makes somuch sense to me, I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
You know what else is weird?
It's gonna get.
It's gonna get deep and darkreal quick guys.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay but we're gonna come right back out.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Cat, have something jolly on the other side okay,
okay, I've got it ready.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I know what element brings joy.
He was diabetic.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
But the whole point is that rang true when you
described what he said as he waspassing.
He passed over very quicklyafter that and maybe he was
(28:32):
seeking his true self.
That was going to becollaborated in heaven, not
collaborated, what's it called?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Reconciled.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's afine theory.
That's really amazing and sad,because it was you losing a
parent, and sad that he wasfeeling that lack, you know, as
he was about to cross over, andalso like how exciting that what
comes after that is is a bunchof like frustrating movement and
(29:04):
energy bursting out, to thenrelease us into our truest joy.
I agree, you know which is fire, and so it's.
It's just really neat to wait,does that?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
mean he went to hell, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Just checking Yep, yep, the way, the way that works
.
And then he went into fire.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
He was burning, yes, he was burning in hell.
I just had some ptsd from someevangelical camp, or something.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, the stuff's got to cross over every
now and then, like you can'ttalk about hinduism or daoist
philosophy or christianity orany of that without there being
a little bit of overlap, rightso, no joke.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I, like I said, I moved my desk around so it's
facing those of you who can'tsee the video.
It's facing all my books and Ihad to literally hide some of my
buddhist books.
I had a little Buddha because Iwas getting on a call that I
was like that's not going to goover.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well, Really, oh yeah , I feel like I would have had
to obnoxiously left that there.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Oh well, there's other things that are there, if
they want to find them.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Hide and seek with moose, that's right, I should.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Every week I should put something new on the
bookshelf.
That is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yes, I think you should.
So this reminds me of asituation that I encountered
this week with someone who I wasin the car with and we were
just driving up the interstate,like heading toward my house
house, and all of a sudden shejust went like this, oh, and I
(30:48):
was like what, what is this?
Very, and I just gestured,sticking up the middle finger
but kind of in a like a diagonalupside down sort of way, and
it's like a 1980s middle fingertoo yeah, yeah, it's like my dad
, like you're not you're notputting the fingers around it
all the way down, they're up tothe knuckle.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So it's like a real pissed off middle finger.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It's a real pissed off middle finger and I was like
, oh my gosh, like what did shedo it to you or to someone?
No, no, she like did it like tothe windshield?
And so I was like what are youflicking off?
And she was like that Tesla,that Tesla she's not the only
one I know and so she has made apact with herself that if she
(31:34):
is on the road and sees a Tesla,she gives the Tesla and the
driver the middle finger.
If she sees the Tesla trucktruck what's that one called?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
it's like the tesla I don't know why you call it
tesla, it's tesla is tesla.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Okay, yes, tesla.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Sorry for mispronouncing I don't know, but
they're not even trucks.
Well, they are cyber truckcyber truck.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
That's what it is.
And she said so all's get this.
And she said in the cybertrucks, get this oh, they get a
double middle finger.
Yeah, they get a double middlefinger.
So I realized that in my verytiny and I stress very tiny
retirement fund that I ampretending that I still should
(32:19):
sell that.
Well, I realized that part ofmy portfolio is invested in
tesla and I I emailed the personwho manages my portfolio and
said I want out.
Yeah, I want out and granted,it's only like three thousand
dollars, but like I, don't knowthousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, it's like that.
We don't need Elon touching Iknow, I know.
Um, speaking of middle fingers,I just saw this video that
cracked me up.
It was Amy Puller and Tina Feytalking on Amy Puller's podcast,
and and Amy who?
I love them both, but I didn'tknow that this was something
(33:01):
people said about her.
She said she was giving aspeech at Harvard and she's
about to walk on stage and somelittle Harvard asshole that's
graduating or something says toher you're the poor man's Tina
Fey, but she's telling this tolike one of her best friends,
Tina, and Tina never heard thestory.
And she like gasps and she goesyou know, they call me that
(33:24):
Right, which I had never heard.
And Tina was, like you know,appalled or whatever.
And Amy Poehler said she justgave that person a quick middle
finger and she goes fuck you andfuck Harvard.
And then she went up and gaveher speech.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
That is awesome.
That is awesome.
Can you imagine like hearingsomething like that right before
you're about to?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
step on stage.
Yeah, I've had that happen tome before.
It's awful I remember.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I remember when that happened to you and I wanted to
claw that guy's eyes out.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What, how mean do you have to be to try and just pop
someone's bubble right beforethey are doing something?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
vulnerable Right.
Yeah, that's not OK.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I was at breakfast this morning and one of the
gentlemen I was at breakfastwith said at one point he goes F
, f, f.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Wait, like said the words, Just said F, F, F.
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
The letter F.
Wait, like said the words, justsaid F, f, oh no, the letter F.
The letter F.
Like and I was like.
So I just like threw my handson the table and I said fuck
Like sometimes she just got tosay it Like sometimes you got to
move.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
That Me and a friend were talking about how uh move
that me and a friend weretalking about how.
You know how angry I am basedon the cuss word that comes out
of my mouth like if it gets tothe level of a gd and it's
rarely happened, guys.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
It's rarely, but usually when I hurt myself,
that's what comes out of mymouth I'm not proud of that Well
, I'm not proud of my usage ofthat phrase either, and at the
same time, it was a very healingmoment for me when I learned
that I could say that out loudand not getting struck by
(35:14):
lightning, without gettingstruck by lightning.
I was in a therapy session, abodywork session, and I remember
it being like the pinnacle ofthat session where I said you
know what I want to say, becauseit's just not okay with anybody
in my life right now, likeanybody in my work, in my life,
(35:35):
in my family, and I wasencouraged like say whatever you
want, want to say, like youhave space here to be yourself,
and blah, blah, blah.
And it was it.
It was really, really healingto be able to say that out loud.
And ever since then I I havekind of let go of that weird.
Yeah, yeah, whatever that is,whatever you want to call that
(35:59):
well, well, I think it.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
there's so much about those things we weren't allowed
to do that are healing, to belike oh, screw that, I'm going
to go do it.
It's kind of like the pastor,kids going out and having sex in
the field, or whatever they did.
You know, do you ever havespeaking?
Okay, I had a memory the otherday and I'm just going to
(36:22):
describe it to you without anydisclaimer, because this is
pretty messed up If you say itout loud, I haven't said it out
loud yet.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I can't wait.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So we had this area behind where I grew up that we
called the desert and it wasbasically construction.
It's just dirt with like hugemounds of dirt and huge concrete
things and like bulldozers, andI mean my entire childhood it
was uh, it was there.
So I don't think they were everbuilding anything.
(36:53):
It might've been where theystored things and everything,
but we called um, we playedthere all the time.
It wasn't safe.
But then I have a memory and itwasn't in the desert.
I have a memory of an abandonedlike a house, a barn, that had
been torn down.
But somehow we walked up somestairs and there was a second
(37:14):
floor and there was a mattressup there which that's concerning
and then there was a mattressdown and people which that's
concerning and then there was amattress down and people would
jump off the rafters onto themattress.
But I can't place where thiswas.
I don't know if it's from amovie and I've claimed it as my
own memory, but it's.
(37:35):
It creeps me out because Idon't know where it's from.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did you jump onto the mattress from the rafters?
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I remember being.
I can remember being downstairsand upstairs in this barn, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It was weird.
It makes me wonder, like whatdoes the mattress represent
downstairs versus the oneupstairs?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I don't want to know what happened on those
mattresses either.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I mean, I kind of do just out of pure curiosity, I
don't.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Why was this out?
And it was like in a woodedarea and I have no recollection
of where it was.
Who was there.
I just feels like a memory andI feel like I was like 10 or 12
or something.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
And is that?
Is that something?
Now, you said you didn't knowwhere it was 100%, 100%.
This is layman's therapy.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
So maybe my sister will listen and be like oh, I
saw that barn.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
She'll let you know.
Yeah, she'll let you know.
I'm curious to know more.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, I don't think anything bad happened to me.
Oh good, I do think it was aweird thing why would you?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
it's maybe it was just teenagers.
You described it originally asthe desert.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
You described it as mounds of dirt and machines like
bulldozers, and then I knowthat I at at first I was like,
oh, it must've been in thedesert, like that's how my brain
went.
But it was in a wooded area, soit wasn't in the desert I was
trying to place it and Icouldn't yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And were the woods protecting you, or were the
woods scary?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Like I don't want to talk about it anymore.
Okay, let's definitely not.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well, sarah, we really miss you.
Thank you for thank you forlistening, and, moose, I love
you dearly.
Sarah, we miss you dearly.
If this actually makes it outinto the world, I would love
some sort of applause or, youknow, head shake of shame or
something like that would bereally nice, yeah done.
Really nice, yeah Done.
(39:46):
Special thanks to our producer,sarah Reed, to find out more,
go to catandmoosepodcastcom.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
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