Body Wisdom: Unlocking Health Through Craniosacral Therapy with Holli De Valle

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up you guys?
Welcome to this episode ofCrystal Clear.
I have a fun special guest ontoday, Holly DiValle.
She is a craniosacral therapisthere in Sarasota, Bradenton
area, but so much more.
I know it's holistic alchemistand that's actually how I found

(00:27):
you.
I started following you a whileago and love everything you put
out there, so welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Absolutely, and I am excited to just open up this
platform for you to talk aboutall the wonderful work that you
do, your experience, how you gotinto this and you know whatever
you feel pulled to share withus today Awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, I guess we can start with how I got into this.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
And so I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I think we talked a little bit about it before, but
essentially I had had a reactionto a shot that my body was just
like not agreeing with and Ireally think that honestly,
there was a lot of other nervoussystem dysregulation, a lot of
trauma stuff that was already inmy system and that was like the

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straw that broke the camel'sback.
I didn't know it at the time.
It took me like four years tofigure out that.
That was like the thing thatbegan to change things.
But it was like this rapidperiod where I went from.
I sold timeshare in centralFlorida and I was a top rep and
I made six figures and I ownedmy own home at 24 and I was
active and healthy.

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I thought, ish, I was drinkingand going out and you know was
not really yeah, but like thatwas not really me either.
So there was a lot of likemasking and just trying to stuff
down and go through a reallyhard transition at that time and
push through and be likeeveryone else, because I wasn't

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the kind of person that couldjust drink and then wake up at
five and go to work, like whenwe just got in at two, like I'm
like no, I need to rest for aand my my friends would call me
like grandma at 20, because Iwas like if we're going to go
out on Friday, we have to go outon Friday.
I need the whole weekend torecuperate.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
And can we start at 2 PM?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, so if I looked at that, I can see there was
definite like I look at my faceback then there was definite
things where I was disconnectedto my body.
But that was definitely thething that just threw me over
the edge and within I don't know.
I mean within two months I hadgone through where I had just
lost 40 pounds.

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I was constantly in thebathroom, I was nauseous all the
time.
I had no appetite and that wasweird because I am a girl that
loves to eat- and this is afterthe vaccine that you got.
Okay, and it was just kind oflike, so depressing because I
love to cook and suddenly I hadno desire to cook, I had zero
appetite.
Things that I used to love werejust, they didn't even feel

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right in my mouth Like Iliterally just it was just a
struggle and I watched my bodyfall apart and doctors not have
an answer for me.
So I was going through all thetraditional medical blue cross,
blue shield, had great insuranceand doctors were still like I
don't know.
After doing multiple tests, atleast I could rule out some
heavy autoimmune things, right.

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But then at that time and thiswas 2012, I was just left with
no answers and it must be IBSand that's pretty much what they
tell you when they don't havean answer for you.
You know, after you getpsychosomatic and you know all
the other things anxiety and soI was left to my own devices,
like many people, you know, andthey find their own road and,

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honestly, that I look at now islike the black box find their
own road and, honestly, that Ilook at now is like the black
box, and that's why I namedmyself holistic alchemist or put
that name for my business,because I really feel that that
was a pivotal moment in myjourney that sucked.
There was ever a time that I hadlike a huge black cloud over my
life.
It was then.
It was like I felt like I justdidn't want to be here anymore,

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because how was this going toget any better?
But I grew up believing thatthat was not an option either.
And I just remember like cryingto God, like, but how could you
just not want me?
I just want to be home with you.
Like I was so just sad and mylike former self was gone and I
was grieving that and there wasnobody to even understand.
Like my family didn't evenunderstand.

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Like I remember going to getmassages and my dad and he
apologizes for this now, but himbeing like massages are luxury
Like what do you?
You know, you said you don'tfeel good, but you're getting
massages and I'm like I'm justtrying to feel better which at
that time was nervous systemregulating to a degree and it
would allow me to feel a littlebit of hunger Anyhow.

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So my path led me to finding acraniosacral therapist.
I'd never heard of it and Ithought it sounded pretty
ridiculous.
Oh, you know, I looked it up.
It was put a weight of a nickelon, you know, certain parts of
your body and suddenly you havelike emotional releases and you
remember, you know I'm like what?
Okay, let me try, because I hadnothing to lose.

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And I tried chiropractic Notthat there's anything wrong with
that, but that just didn't hitthe spot.
So I went in for my firstsession and she explained to me,
like it's not a not a one anddone kind of thing, so if you
can, we need to kind of come upwith a plan that you can stick
to, that you can afford.
And so we did that.
We came up with like a twomonth plan of me going to see

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her weekly.
My first session.
I had an emotional release,which not everybody does.
That doesn't mean it's notworking.
Everybody's body does what itneeds to, but for me, I think I
was so raw and ready and she wassuch a container of holding
space for me.
I had no idea why I was cryingand I was not a crier, I was

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like the opposite of a crier.
So that was really weird for meto be opening up like that
vulnerably with somebody Ididn't know and she didn't have
any.
I remember being like do youknow what it was?
Tied you know you kind of.
I realized the people on mytable.
They kind of expect and wantyou to know.
We'll get to that in a littlebit how I think that's something
that we don't necessarily atrigger point.

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Yeah, and we don't sometimeshave to be.
I think that's part of thebeauty of it is that the
practitioner isn't supposed tonecessarily know, because your
body's speaking a language and Ithink a lot of times we as
people even can understand notwanting to be perceived or
ill-perceived or not taken theright way, and there's so much,

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I mean, even in the Englishlanguage, there's so many words
that we just still don't have inour vocabulary, so you can
imagine that the body's holdingonto things that we don't even
know how to express.
So talk therapy only goes sofar and it's not for the
practitioner to be like oh, thisis what's going.
In my personal opinion Not tosay I don't get intuitive hits,
but I think that can do as muchWe'll call it damage as somebody

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in a white coat tellingsomebody that, like they only
have eczema and they're notgoing to get better or whatever,
because that holds a certainamount of power that people give
and we're not the healers,we're just the conduit.
So anyhow, she held that space,I had a release and I left her
office with an appetite for thefirst time in four months, and
that was huge for me.

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So I thought, okay, because thedoctors hadn't been able to.
There was no medicine forappetite, you know gaining, and
I'm like, okay, so let'scontinue this.
And within four sessions I waslike 70% back to.
I was able to like get a jobagain.
Like I hadn't been able to work, I had just.
You know, I was selling thingsjust to pay my mortgage, just

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because I couldn't work, so thatwas huge for me and that was a
moment where I left her officegoing.
I need to know how you do this.

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Where did you go to school?
How did you learn about this?
Because this is what I meant todo, I just knew it.
I left there going.
This is it.
Threshold is for everybody andwhere their weak point is varies
, and now that I've had my sonand I work with babies and
children, I have a whole newviewpoint of craniosacral
therapy and how important it is,and I can see how those
compensation patterns are thingswe even come into life with

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sometimes.
And if those are not worked out,these literally become the
places that our body hold on totension et cetera and
compensation patterns.
This is where things can reallybegin to get bad for people
later in life too.
So being able to help our kidswith that when they're younger,

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I mean, my goodness, justunraveling the nervous system
and bringing that baseline downfrom a much earlier standpoint.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
And what do you like working with babies and children
?
Like what are your observations?
Like the more trends ofobservations with that.
Like what is it that they,where are they holding on to?
Like what is it releasing forthem?
Is there even a way to kind ofpinpoint?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
that.
That's such a great question.
I would say number one forevery person, no matter what age
is diaphragm in their maindiaphragm?
I have a couple of differentdiaphragms that I'm talking
about, where we actually breathe, and normally we see babies and
we're like, oh, breathe like ababy.
You see their belly rise andfall.

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But a lot of the babies that I'mdealing with they're dealing
with oral restrictions which Iremember when I was having
breastfeeding issues, my mombeing like what is this?
We never had this in our family.
What are all these?
You know, we never heard ofthese oral ties before, and I
think there's an epigeneticfactor to that.
The fascia is getting tighterand tighter on the generations
and so now our children arestarting to show it in their
mouths.
The tongue is connected to themain fascial line that goes from

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tongue to toe, so that's goingright through the midsection
here of all their internalorgans, and so I would say, not
even just like diaphragm wherethey're breathing, but just this
entire midsection from pelvicdiaphragm to actual diaphragm.
There tends to be amongst a lotof the babies a lot of
restriction, and it could bebecause, you know, we're in a
position for so long and itneeds to be stretched out.
I mean, we have to learn wherewe are in space and time, in

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this body, in this you know nowhere we are.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
So yeah, that's really interesting.
Actually, I had a lot oftrouble with my first baby, my
daughter.
She was tongue tiedied and soshe had latching issues.
So I tried these like simplecards and all that.
So I I gave up it for likethree and a half months, four to
four months, and it was sadbecause, like I, I always you
know it's like you go back andyou mom guilt yourself like she

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was fed formula and the formulais shit.
I didn't know about the goatmilk formula at the time.
Like this was like 15 years ago,like oh, my god, she's fine, by
the way, she's great, sheturned out okay.
If you're doing all the things,don't worry, they'll be fine.
Um, but it's interesting thatyou say that because I know a
lot of people.

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It's like very trendy now forall of these different ties,
whether it's a lip tie or atongue tie.
And it's interesting becausethe diaphragm stuff I feel like
every time I go for a massageI'm like can you please just get
under my ribs like dig in, likeI need to release, because I
can feel it everywhere in mybody when my diaphragm is

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released.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, that's so great that you say that and that you
ask for that.
I can remember being in massagetherapy school and we were
learning about abdominal massagewhich I was like don't touch me
.
Same I did not want that, whichtells me a lot.
Now, Right, but yeah, causethat's really where, like that's
where my first symptom hit wasin my diaphragm, right where my
ribs connect, where I thought Iwas getting punched in the

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stomach, that like feeling of Ican't breathe.
That feeling of I can't breathe.
That's how I woke up and I'mlike something is wrong and I
was going everything's fine,it's in your head.
I'm like, no, it's not.
But my diaphragm had not beenproperly being used for a long
time.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Not a whole lot of tension.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
We're not taught how to breathe.
Not taught how to breathe.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
We're not taught how to breathe.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
We're holding in, even just from like a like,
we're protective it's very likeconcave.
Um, you know, and we've got thetrendy like stick your butt out
, if you know, all of that isreally like positioning, so my
body was a whole leg.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I still have to like it's like okay, so how do I stay
, how do I sit, how do I standnow?
But I do feel like I still havethat tendency to like tighten
everything all the time andthat's why I'm like like I can't
even take a deep breath, yeah,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
And if you're hypermobile, it's also a whole
thing, because you're tighteningyour knees, you're doing such
with your pelvis, it's like aconstant.
I'm realizing consciousawareness of how my body is
standing in space and time.
And this is the kind of thingthat I deal with now with
children with primitive reflexesand with craniosacral, because
we weren't taught these things,our bodies weren't taught these
things.
Like you know, if a child isclumsy, that's not how our

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bodies are designed.
You know, if a human is clumsy,period, but a child, we can
help adults too.
But yeah, it's just like that'snot normal.
But we look at it like, oh, youknow, sally Sue is clumsy,
that's cute.
And we've just kind of knockedthese things off as, like,
everybody's been individual,which we are, but we are
innately designed and we're notsupposed to be that way.
So if that's happening, or ifwe're snoring or grinding our
teeth, and that's a big thingwith children now, so forget if

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you're not dealing with thelatch issue or the tongue tie
issue or the oral tie issue whenthey're a baby, which I'll tell
you, it doesn't seem to matter,from what I'm seeing in my
practice, whether you have themost holistic birthing
experience journey or you arecompletely on the other end of
the spectrum.
Both babies are dealing withrestrictions.

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So, this tells me there'ssomething more going on, and it
started before this time.
But, that being said, if you'renot catching them when they're
babies, it's becoming an airwayissue.
So if you have a baby who iscolicky, that's not normal, but
pediatricians will tell you it'sfine, they'll grow out of it.
They don't grow out of it.
That compensation pattern willbegin because the body's smart

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and it'll overcome and adapt.
And so what?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
are you seeing with the colicky Like what would your
?
From a craniosacral standpoint,because I actually just have a
girlfriend that really dealtwith a colicky baby for like
four.
It was brutal still a bitbrutal on her.
I think she's wearing out.
So just curious, just to put itout there.
What are some things like howhave you seen the turnaround in

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that in your practice?

Speaker 2 (14:19):
So colicky babies will tend to have restriction,
like in that midsection area andthat's why they're colicky.
So and they they adjust soquickly.
I mean usually between threeand four sessions.
A baby's able to unwind thatfascially, um, and that's really
all that needs to take place,because all of that is that like
projectile spit up like that,not like a sphincter thing, like

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it's just like stuck somewhat.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
But it's not even that.
It's really just it's.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
It's just like stuck somewhat, but it's not even that
, it's really just it's.
It's kind of hard to describe,but the fascia is all connected
like a web but it's literallyjust needing to be.
There's certain stretches andthings that we just have to
incorporate and move the fasciaaround.
And then just in craniosacralalone because with babies I'm
doing a lot more stretching andwhatnot than I'm doing on my

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adults, right but just incraniosacral alone, there is the
cerebral spinal fluid, which iswhat we're working on getting
to work properly.
That is, it's going into theperipheral nerves, so that's
going through the connectivetissue, the fascia, so it
naturally unwinds just byfocusing on where that rhythm is

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off, and oftentimes you know ifthey've gone through the
vaginal canal, the you know like, could you imagine like I mean,
let's just pause for a moment,like we are squeezed through
vaginas and are we coming outstraight and narrow?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
No, we're all misaligned, could you imagine?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
And like the you know the bones are meant to overlap
so that they can go through andthen naturally settle back down.
But sometimes fascialrestrictions will keep that from
going where it needs to go.
And you know you'll overcomeand adapt, but at what degree of
variation.
And we're just dealing withlike multiple, you know
generations down, and we'reseeing like what is going on,
and even behaviorally, becausewe're getting into like what is

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going on.
I'm giving my kid all the rightthings and they're still.
You know, I don't understand.
I'm like, yeah, I get it, I'vebeen there, what's?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
going on is yeah, especially if they so.
My son ended up being aC-section, not the plan.
It's okay we go with what wehave to do.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, of course, surrender to the flow, right.
But it's so funny because I somuch was like, oh, I did all the
right things, and this is, I'mgoing to avoid the C-section
because I did all the rightthings, and then my body
probably fascially not openingup, was not dilating, I was not
progressing, I think I washonestly scared and I could not
see how that was going to happen, and I wasn't allowing that to
happen.

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That being said, what in theheck was going on in his mind
during that time?
Where was he positioned, Was helike?
He was like this, so muchoutside of the womb that I kept
thinking this is why he wasn't,why we weren't going anywhere.
He was his hand was on his face.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
He couldn't get through.
He was snug and right.
He wasn't ready enough.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, like maybe I don't know all the things, but
we ended up I had all the notes.
Everybody in the hospital knowswe're not doing blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And so the doctor God love himtrying to go by my birth plan,
was like, okay, we're going totry to do this naturally.
So we'll do a vacuum.
Knowing what I know now, Iwould never.
We did that three times.
Yeah, and nobody tells you thatthe fetal monitoring that they

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put you on in the hospital isactually putting a little tiny
little screw into your baby'sscalp in order to yeah, did you
know this?
You can actually look this.
My midwife came back in laterand was like, yeah, they had
already done it and you're inthe middle of.
I couldn't tell you that, butwhen he came out he had a
hematoma on his head.
So we have the little fetalmonitoring they go in with a

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little like is this for thevacuum?
This is when you're in thehospital and they put that belt
around your belly and they putsomething inside you at that
point when you're like in labor,so they don't tell you what
they're doing.
They're actually going throughand like pinning a little screw
into your child's head.
That's how they're testing.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh God.
So, and why don't they have totell you that?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I guess they feel it.
If they were to tell you thatyou'd probably say no, and they
feel that that's the only waythey can do it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know, like I don't really know, I just
remember my midwife.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean, we had gone through a really long labor.
And I had two midwives, doula,my whole birth team was there,
but she must have stopped outfor a minute and was like I
don't have the heart to tell youthis.
I came back and this was doneand now so she told me
afterwards because he had ahematoma on his head after we
vacuumed him three times afterthey did that.
So that was pretty horrific todeal with and I had no idea as

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much as I loved craniosacraltherapy and I was in the healing
field at that time that itcould do for babies what would
have been.
I mean just the healing fromthe trauma that he went through,
much less, you know, for hisbrainstem even, and just the
blood flow that's going in, muchless all of the latch issues.
Like he has still cheek tiesthat we're going to have to deal

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with now because you know wedidn't do circumcision, we
didn't do certain things.
So I was like, well, I'm notgonna go get a laser done, like
you know, I'll just pump, it'sfine, I'll go.
I had no idea how important itwas to do those things.
He did get over his lip tie um,the tongue tie is better now.
We've been doing exercises buthis cheek ties at this point
he's five and a half.

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We'll have to probably put himunder in order to do that,
because at this point we need toget his palate expanded, which
I can do some throughcraniosacral and we can invite
the bones to move and all ofthat.
But, honestly, unless I'mworking on him, you know,
multiple times a week and it's aconsistent practice we're going
to need some outside thingslike myofunctional therapy and
an expanded palate, and in orderto get the palate expander, he

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has to wear a mouth guard thingto start off with at night, and
it's not, it's going to botherhis cheeks.
So it's like, oh my goodness, ifI had just known it was going
to be so much of a big deal.
But the thing is is that ifyour child is mouth breathing
and grinding their teeth, thething is is that if your child
is mouth breathing and grindingtheir teeth, snoring, these are
all red flags that they aremouth breathing all the time.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
And maybe you don't notice it.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
In the daytime, a lot of us adults are even, but
we're drinking and talking andthe tongue is supposed to be
sealed to the roof of the mouthfrom like right where that ridge
is, where you can feel that allthe way back, like the way it
would be if you were to swallowI'm doing it now I know like you
notice it, but a lot of peopleare like, oh my god, I never

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thought about my tongue issitting like on the floor of my
mouth, so our palates arelearning how to shape based on
where we're putting our tongue.
so if our kids are mouthbreathing and they're like that
palate is going like this andit's going up into their nose
Interesting.
So when you do a palateexpansion, you're literally
bringing all these facial bonesout which you know, I know

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you've probably heard that ourjaws have been shrinking over
the last hundred years and foodis definitely a component
because we're not chewing asmuch we're not chewing.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Not chewing everything soft food or like
shakes and right like we'resupposed to be chewing.
That's why we have teeth likeyes, like we're not supposed to
be having applesauce out ofpouches all the time we're
supposed to be biting apples yes, yeah, and strengthening our
master, yeah, exactly, andfacial muscle muscles a hundred
not to mention the inflammationeveryone has around faces now.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
But yeah, and lymphatic drainage, all of it
plays into that Interesting myson definitely grinds his teeth
and he does snore.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I have to bring him to see you and he loves stuff
like this.
He's a bougie little guy.
He's like, okay, do all thethings that's so good.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
But also just in orthodontics and dental
practices.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, I was going to ask you what your perspective is
from a craniosacral perspectiveon braces, because my someone
I've seen for craniosacraltherapy.
I was talking about scoliosiswith her and she's like,
actually you know, do they havebraces?
Yes, she's like well, it's, youknow, one can lead to the
other'm like what?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
interesting, so because we're having sucha.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I mean, I feel like every young, I mean I would say
probably three out of five of mydaughter's friends she's 15
years old has had some form ofform of scoliosis, but they've
also all had braces.
So it's, but I feel likeeveryone's had braces at this
point.
So are we just doing that?
Is it necessary, and what arethe causes and effects of
shifting our palates and ourteeth at that adolescent, such a

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pivotal age, when our hormonesare going crazy Like it's?
This is the time.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
That too, that too.
I think that's probably a wholeother discussion that I hadn't
even thought of.
That is relevant but as far asso.
I mean, I had braces, likeeverybody had braces, and at the
time, luckily, I grew up and itwas like cool to have braces.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I was like this is great.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I don't know if it's still that way now or not, but
regardless, there's a lot of.
I didn't have teeth pulled, butI know that there are a lot of
people who've had braces who hadto have teeth pulled in order
to get the braces to do thethings, with or without the
teeth pulling.
The teeth pulling is just addingto the component, but there's
nowhere else in the body thatwe're restraining to say, okay,

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this is how we're going to helpgrow right?
Um, and we wouldn't do that.
And when you think about thecranial bones, including the
teeth, it's all meant to shift.
It all does shift.
It has its own breath.
If we're restricting the teeth,it's all meant to shift.
It all does shift.
It has its own breath.
If we're restricting the teeth,you're restricting the cranium.
And if there are malalignmentsin or malocclusions in the mouth

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, there's misalignments going onin the cranium.
So by just doing here to makeit cosmetically look pretty,
you're not addressing the root.
And in fact now you've almostsolidified fired things up,
essentially yeah, where you'vekind of like fused in a way, not
to say because things don'tfuse, but like you've.
You've made it where the bodyhas now learned to have

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compensation patterns to form tothis restriction plus permanent
retainers, right?
So, um, I don't know if youknow the girl who played on 50
shades of gray I don't rememberher zoe something.
She used to have a spacebetween her teeth and she has no
space now.
And apparently people were likeoh, I love the space, what do
you do?
And she was on a talk showtalking about that.
She was having severe neck painand she went to her dentist and

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her dentist said let's take thepermanent retainer out.
And when she took the permanentretainer out, her neck pain
went away and the gap closed,because that gap was something
that was trying to close inorder to interesting and it
hadn't been the whole time.
So, like people are realizingthat if they're getting their
tongue ties done as adults evennow, I would never recommend

(24:37):
this to an adult without, or achild without, doing body work.
I think that's half of it.
There's a lot of people outthere going oh, I did the tongue
tie, I did the lip tie.
We're good, the body is wiseand it's going to try to build
scar tissue to fix what justhappened.
So now, if you're not doing thebody work to help unwind what
originally was connecting thatentire thing because it wasn't
just right there, you are goingto have still that unwinding

(25:00):
that's still going to be there.
So that's why sometimes peoplewill be like well, I had a
tongue tie revision done, but mychild is having issues now and
it's been a couple of months andthey're still like well, did
you get body work done?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, Well, because they're not prescribing that
along with it?
I think this is where thedisconnect is with.
You know where holistic meetsWestern, eastern meets Western.
Like I love that we have somany more options now, but I
really admire those Westernpractitioners that are bringing

(25:31):
in the alternative methods toreally boost and even and I
don't think it's intentionalit's a lack of education on
understanding because they'renot taught Like if you're an
orthodontist you learn how tostraighten teeth.
You know you're not learningthe craniosacral.
That goes along with it.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
No one's fault here.
I just want to make that clear.
It's just the educate.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
But this is why we do this right this is the whole
intention of this podcast isgetting these different amazing
modalities out there to letpeople understand that, hey,
there's a little bit more tothis.
I mean, even you're, I'm one ofthose person.
I don't get headaches.
I know if I get a headache,something's going on.
So what do I do?
I book my body work, I book my,you know, I book my, you know,
you book all the modalities tosee what's going on.

(26:12):
And it's like oh, did I get agood night's sleep?
Did my drink get up?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
just yeah, it's all the things that really do make a
difference, and that is why.
Because, like, if, if you haveallergies, you've got fascial
bands that are going around yourcranium and sometimes with
inflammation, they're going totighten and that's why people

(26:36):
will be like oh, I really justlike feel it in my neck, yeah,
because it's literally wrappingaround and babies are feeling
that too, right like they're notexcluded from the equation just
because they're not old enoughto complain about this
congestion, right?
and and like a lot of um.
You know, and I know I get itlike if we have multiple
children and you have things youhave to do, you're in and out
of the car, they're in a,they're in a chair at the house

(26:57):
because you've got things you'redoing right.
But if they're not gettingenough time to stretch out their
bodies, this is why we'll oftensee that they're, you know, if
they're hating the car seat, youknow that's why, because
they're just uncomfortableuncomfortable and it's not just
going to be like one little likeoh, you know, stretch and
you're good.
But it's that continuation thatallows the body to go oh my gosh

(27:17):
, there's room and that's.
That's huge.
It's really more about thefascial connection in the body
that has to know there's spaceand once that happens the brain
can work with the body a lotbetter.
And there's a big thing that'shappening now too, with
primitive reflexes in ourchildren, where I mean, I don't
even know if it's just in ourchildren because honestly, I
think there's a lot of adultsstill retaining their moro

(27:39):
reflex, which is, you know, ifyou walk into a room and like
that's moro that is not.
that's an infant reflex thatshould have been integrated.
Now, sometimes trauma and otherlife experiences can bring that
back, but we have had no ideathat that's something we can
also easily fix.
Like every person should be onthe ground crawling, even every

(27:59):
adult.
It's like I know that soundssilly, but it literally does
benefits for the brain and itcan give you a brain reset.
Just to cross body movement,doing it the right way, having
your eyes look up, like there wehave just so much strategy that
goes along with that.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
And I I remember people saying, oh yeah, my, my
son never crawled, they justwent straight to walk.
And I'm like I don't thinkthat's, I, don't I there.
There's an important step there.
It's the critical thinking,it's the depth perception, it's
the you know, the alignment,knowing where it's like, even
again, the mechanicalcoordination of so I guess I
just need to start crawling more.
But if you think of it, it'sgood for our bodies.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I have to say a lot of bear poses in yoga, it's a
lot of bear, and I think that ifmy son had done that he didn't,
but had he, I would have beenright there with him like, oh my
.
God my baby is so smart.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Like you don't even need to crawl.
Look at him, he's on his way.
We don't know, don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
And they look they're developing fine.
Otherwise it's not, likethey're not, because, again,
it's not that it's a problem.
There's nothing wrong, right.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
But there is something that they're missing
and that does.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's a huge red flag neurodevelopmentally, um,
just even for sensory processingand all that kind of stuff.
Later, um, the cdc took outcrawling as a milestone, I think
.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Think what, like two years ago, I don't know getting
started on the CDC two years ago.
Which is a huge.
Oh my gosh, we're not going togo there.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
You're like not today , we don't have enough time.
But yeah, no, but that's a bigthing because obviously if
they're not crawling, that'swe're missing things.
So, yeah, I just went to aconference held by an airway
dentist in Sarasota this pastyear.
She held for a lot of differentpractitioners, but just because
she's trying to get the wordout, like even if you're a
teacher, if you're noticingthese things with your students,

(29:46):
we need to get more eyes on thefact that primitive reflexes
are a simple thing that we canintegrate and there's a lot of
us that are walking aroundwithout them being integrated.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
And it's affecting how we're walking and behaving
and thinking and handling theworld.
And nervous system.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Nervous system but if you're breathing through your
mouth, 80% of the time you'renot getting the amount of oxygen
to your brain that you needLike this is you know, no, and
the body thinks that you'reunder a lot of stress, right and
when it creates that stressbecause it's like like you're
even, like, it's like we'rebreathing, like little puppies,
right.
And so it's yeah, it's a pretty,it's like.
It's like this new rabbit holethat I never knew that I was
going to go down, just becausemy life was changed by

(30:26):
craniosacral so long ago.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
But it's so intriguing and so important just
to understand like my husbandjust got deviated septum surgery
a month and a half ago and he'slike I feel like I've been sick
ever since and I'm like I thinkyou need to get work done
because you probably have athere's trauma that's occurred
there and actually have a goodfriend of mine who I think
you've met within the past monthor so, who's kind of going into

(30:50):
that realm for herself but justlearning like how to drain and
getting your sinuses and likehow important it is to have your
facial muscles and your I mean,not to mention our necks at
this day and age, like we allhave that head forward posture
we're looking down at things allthe time.
So what are the biggest trendsthat you're seeing?
I mean even behaviorally.

(31:11):
You know we talked aboutchildren who are teeth grinding
and snoring and, but you know Ifeel like I mean there's a lot
of different opinions andperspectives on this.
But you know, I feel like Imean there's a lot of different
opinions and perspectives onthis.
But you know, adhd and allthese other things it's like
well, could that be the lack ofoxygen too?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I mean it could be.
So I think that you know I'vebeen on like a whole journey
over the last couple of years ofrediscovering what
neurodivergence is.
And so I think my opinion of ithas shifted quite a bit and I'm
hoping to help be like this,bridge between understandings

(31:50):
because I think I used to belike hardcore on this other side
, where now I'm like oh, maybeit's not necessarily this, but
it's so much more complex andnuanced than that.
But do I think that we areseeing things that look like
ADHD?
That may not really be ADHD, itmay just be sensory processing.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Honestly, I mean not that you know.
Obviously everything has aspectrum and a scale, and so not
discounting any sort ofdiagnosis.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I just want to make that clear.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
But just from my own perspective as a mother watching
my little guy who was born in2020, but never went to daycare,
you know and I was reallycautious about what I allowed in
his body for his first fewyears of life and everything
like that, but like he didn'treally start speaking until he
was three, clearly.

(32:40):
So I'm like is it parasites?
Is it because you see so muchout there, so much and like
certain sensory, and I'm like Ithink it's just.
You know, there's more to it.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I still feel like there's more to it there is, and
I think at the end of the day,whether it's just sensory
processing or ADHD or whereverit happens to be, I think the
end of the day is how can wemake it where you are most
comfortable in your body?
And I don't think any of thatwill matter if you're just

(33:10):
looking at nervous system.
Regulation is going to help allof that first off, and that's
really it's like the baselinefor people who have, you know,
autism, sensory problems, likeit's like right here, their
threshold is right here.
So noise and things going outof the way, not the way they
planned, all of that, the wronglook things can just be.

(33:32):
So they're so sensitive andable to perceive so much and it
can be so overwhelming.
So you know, even just thelights, you know and just what
environment are they in all dayand can they even in their home?
Are they able to express whothey really are and be loved?

(33:54):
Because I think that's a bigpart of it too is that there's
this feeling that if we, youknow we've got to help our kids,
but it can come across asneeding to fix them Right, and
when we have some type of momentwhere, maybe through a parasite
cleanse or something not to saythat those aren't valid, but
then where we start to seethings shift, I think that we
need to be very careful not tomake sure that they don't feel

(34:17):
that they are any less lovedRight.
If they're not, however, theyare when we think they're doing
better, because I think thatperception can be so damaging,
because they can't necessarilyalways know what is going to
make them not better, what'sgoing to tick them over the edge
, and that feeling of that notbeing accepted for who they
really are, I think, is thehardest part of it, and so I

(34:41):
find that translates into mywork with people, adults in
general Like we're all justlittle children who didn't have
that space to even know what wewere feeling Name it, process it
, move it through.
So it just stayed there.
It move it through, so it juststayed there.
And then, you know, we becomethe adults who built our lives

(35:02):
over those compensations of likeokay, this is who I was told to
be and I'm going to overcomethis.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And you know, we lose our authenticity that way or
never understand what that meansin the first place.
And I talk a lot about nervoussystem regulation in different
modalities and but more externalthings we can do.
So I love that we're havingthis conversation about more of
the body component.
How can we give our bodiespermission?

(35:26):
What modalities can we do togive our bodies permission to
let go?
Because, as we know, things arestored in our body in utero.
We're bringing on mama's energyin utero, Well, and I don't
know if we've talked about this,but your CSF is actually
derived from the amniotic fluid,right?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
So it's like you're literally in that fluid that
then becomes what's inside you,right?
I mean, yeah, the imprints ofthat.
So what mom felt, what she wentthrough, what she supported,
was she alone, was she scared?
You know, all of that plays areally big impact.
I think father's dna obviouslyplays an impact on those things

(36:06):
too, but I think, epigeneticallyspeaking, the moms are really
the ones that I think have abigger impact on that 100 which
is really interesting because Ifeel like with both my
pregnancies.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Interesting because I feel like with both my
pregnancies I intuitively knewand just felt like I need to be
the most chill version of meright now.
I had so much freedom of foodand I moved my body and I just
knew I was growing a littlehuman and, coming from someone
that had some seriousperfectionism paradigm and had
to be a certain way and do acertain thing, I'm like you know
what?
This is not about me anymore,about me anymore and you know I

(36:43):
would say, soon after they cameout it was a whole different
story and I had my stuff.
I battled with postpartum, bothkids, but it was very
interesting.
Like no anxiety, no, like I wasjust so, I just knew.
Like it wasn't about me, Idon't, it was just the most
comfortable.
I had very easy going, chillpregnancies, never got sick.

(37:05):
It was really interesting, um,which I know is not the case for
many people.
So I'm sorry I'm not braggingin any way shape or form about
that.
I just find it very interestingthat I know mentally how much it
allowed me to calm down, almostlike I gave myself that
permission to just.
And then you know they come outthree months later.

(37:26):
It's like okay, well, why am Inot back to where I was?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
It's a whole different thing.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But it's really interesting because it's like I
almost knew like this isn'tabout me, it's about them.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I love that you keep saying that you gave yourself
permission.
I think that's one of thebiggest things I have to give
myself a lot of permission thesedays.
I think giving ourselvespermission and grace is probably
one of the biggest parts of thehealing experience that comes
out of all of this, because somuch of us hold that we have to
be this certain way and we'renot allowed to eat that or feel

(37:57):
that way, be around that personor do this yeah.
Like just yeah, just in, justlive for the moment.
You know like we're here.
Part of it is to have thatsensory experience.
So, whatever it is that you'refeeling, or yeah, you know, it's
just interesting, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I talk a lot about giving myself permission and
that's, I think again, theintent of doing this is like my
life is far from lined up andeverything.
You know.
I've just learned to surrenderwith the flow right and and
allow things to.
You know, something falls off.
Okay, I welcome that emptyspace instead of like thinking

(38:36):
back to when I was a teenagerand you know my early twentiess
I had such rigid boundaries formyself.
And there was so much rigiditythere and so much restriction
and so much like what I thoughtwas discipline, but it was
really the opposite of that Like.
I was trying to control becauseI felt so out of control about
other things that I hadrepressed and that I had put

(38:57):
down and shit I was carryingfrom birth that wasn't even mine
.
And you know, once you startgiving yourself permission to
release the shame or release thestuff and like who cares?
My mom was the way she was andyou know I didn't have your
stereotypical suburban grew up,you know, like in the perfect
neighborhood with the perfectyou know whatever, like that

(39:19):
wasn't my life, but who cares?
Like that's what made me me,and all of those experiences
have led to this awesomeexperience of being here and
talking to you today and Iwouldn't I wouldn't change any
of it for the world.
But you don't know that whenyou're 23 years, old.
Right, right, um, so just really, I've.
You know I've talked about thisbefore and I know you and I
hinted on it or like touched onit, but again, I think five

(39:43):
years ago, after I had my son,my husband and I were just like,
okay, we need to, we're justgoing to start from the inside
out, because obviously there'sthings that need to be addressed
and discussed and there's a lotof external factors going on in
the world.
At the time was literally shutdown that you know, we, what can
we do to not only improve ourmental health, our physical

(40:05):
health, our lives, ourrelationship, like everything
needed a revamp and craniosacralwas a part of that for both of
us, along with body work andtalk therapy, and for me, like
trauma and resiliency.
Like I learned about PTSD andI'm like, well, how can I
unravel this?
And realizing it went waybeyond talk therapy and went way

(40:27):
beyond and understanding thingsabout my body.
And if we're going to get intosome of you know, like my right
side, I always had injuries onmy right side.
Well, that was my masculineside.
I was just thinking left for meearlier, so that's so funny and
it was like that was the sidethat was always like push and go
and drive and determination andunderstanding your masculine
and your feminine energy and weall have to have that balance

(40:48):
and I feel like for so long Iresisted my feminine energy and
so I want to dive into that alittle bit, like how do you see
that and what are some shiftsyou see with yourself and your
clients, with navigating thoseenergies?
Because I know that you knowthe science behind the
craniosacral, but there's alsoan intuitive component there

(41:10):
that I would love to hit on,because A it's just my jam and I
love it and I know a lot of myaudience appreciate this aspect
as well.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I actually really love that question.
I love that it just naturallycame out, because that was a
huge shift when I created mybusiness here, because I did
massage and body work up in NewJersey for several years and I
always knew that was like when Ileft that woman's office it was
like how did you become acraniosacral therapist?
And she had gone the massageand body work route.
So like that was why I wentdown that road.
But then, you know, to docraniosacral was additional

(41:43):
schooling and I was lovingworking with the fascia.
It was like molding people upand like, oh my God, I love this
and I started working withReiki.
So to me it felt very similarto what I was experiencing.
So I stayed with that for awhile and then and then 2020 hit
.
So I stayed with that for awhile and then 2020 hit.
We moved from New Jersey down toFlorida.
No license switching at thattime or anything.

(42:03):
So I had taken on because I hada private practice and the
government was paying people tostay home.
So my husband was able to.
He worked at Massage Envy atthe time so he was able to
collect from the government tostay home.
I was not, so we had a10-month-old baby and if I
wanted to get out of New Jerseywhich I did I needed to make
sure that we could afford tolive here so.

(42:24):
I was like, okay, I'll go towork.
So I was like working for aroofing company and I was
working for a window companylike sale, like not that I can't
do those things, but gosh, wasthat such a masculine job?
Like I know that I had asked tosee things from a different
perspective, but that's not whatI meant.
I was terrified.
I'm like I have my baby at homeand I'm on a roof, but, um,

(42:46):
anyhow, that all blew up and Iwas just talking about that last
night with my husband, like howcrazy that was, because that
all blew up about three and ahalf, four years ago and yeah, I
guess it was three and a halfyears ago and so it was like
that moment where it was likewhat are you doing At that point
in time?
There were a lot of peopleexperiencing negative reactions
to the COVID shot.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
And.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I was reaching out to people all over the world
because I know how bad andhelpless and depressed and
scared I felt when I didn't haveanswers and I felt like my body
was failing me.
It was screaming for me to.
I just didn't know what to doand I didn't have answers and I
felt like my body was failing me.
It was screaming for me to.
I just didn't know what to doand I didn't see it that way.
I was like I'm dying.
I really thought I was dying.
So when I saw people goingthrough this, I was literally

(43:28):
inboxing people all over theworld and I'm like I'll help you
.
Find a craniosacral therapist.
Like I just wanted people tosee that their bodies could help
themselves.
And one day it just clicked forme like why are you doing that?
And like what happened to yourplant?
Go back to school and get thecraniosaccharide.
So I did and it was like, okay,you become that person.

(43:51):
And at that point in time I hadstarted to.
I saw an esoteric healer.
I was also seeing a doctor atthe time and she was picking.
I forget how well she picked upon her things.
I know she would do muscletesting and some other things,
but she was saying how my bodywas holding on to as if I had

(44:13):
the spike protein, as if I hadtaken the shot and I had had no
shot, nothing.
She's like you're vibrating,you're holding it.
I was like interesting, becauseat that time I was also
clotting a lot in my period, soit was really interesting
because that was kind of a thingthat people were saying and
were you doing hands-on bodywork at this point in time
Interesting?

(44:33):
Yeah, but I was going intopeople's.
So what was funny is I wasworking in roofing and this is
before the shot rolled out andthe people who were totally
afraid were like, piss, that youwere even coming to their door,
right, okay.
That changed like that Oncethat they were like come on in
and I could just tell they werelike, oh no, I got the shot,

(44:55):
it's fine, and I would go homeand I would be in pain.
And then my periods were likereally, it was like very bizarre
.
So for a while, yeah, and itwas almost like like I could
tell if I had interacted withand it started with the rollout
which came out right beforeChristmas.
We flew home to New Jersey.
I was on a plane full of peoplewho were excited to freshly

(45:16):
have their stuff so they couldtravel, and I always synced with
the full moon.
I was not prepared for my periodto come on this trip and it did
, and it was really heavy.
And that's when all of thislike clotting, and that was when
I began to notice this trend.
Now, I don't see it now and Idon't know if it's just because
it's been, you know, but eitherway, I've also stopped paying
attention because when I went tothis doctor, she was like

(45:44):
you're vibrating with it,because you're holding onto it,
and I'm like, okay, so she waslike I re, I recommend you going
to see my esoteric healer.
So I saw him and he picked up ona similar thing, without even
knowing that.
That's what she said, and hehad mentioned that I had a lot
of masculine energy in my lifeat that time.
He was like you know, you havea son, you have a husband, you
have one cat that's a female butanother that's you know, just,
you're roofing, you're doingroofing and windows and um,

(46:06):
which actually I had juststopped that, but it was like a
week before it was really fresh,yeah, but it was like I was
just starting to switch intodoing artwork, which I think I
had just met one of your friendsthis past week and we did an
art thing.
So that's also part of mybusiness that I honestly it's
just a small thing, but I lovedoing that because it brings out

(46:26):
that feminine side, thatcreative flow, that yeah, that
like remembrance that we arecreators.
We don't have to have it allfigured out.
We can create beautiful thingsand that, honestly, doing that
artwork began to shift my life.
It began to.

(46:47):
He was, like you know, evenyour friends, like your friends,
are more masculine and I didn'thave a lot of female friends at
that time, so that I startedgoing to mom group meetups and
taking my son, and then it waspart of women's circles and,
like I mean, now you're part ofall the things I see you popping
.
I'm like okay, I talked to youlike two weeks ago and I'm like
now she's everywhere, like allmy friends.

(47:07):
I'm just algorithm wise.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, you are.
You're heavy on my algorithm.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, it's like my life is dominated by feminine
energy now but I called that in.
It was like I was like, oh, I'mgoing to focus on that.
And so, to your point, my workstarted out more intuitive than
scientific, so that is still apart of my practice big time.
But I find that some people arefreaked out by that, and that's

(47:37):
okay.
I don't want to miss the gapfor especially babies and
children who are in need of this, because it sounds woo-woo.
So I like to present thescientific facts because I want
people to know that there'ssomething behind what we're
talking about here, especiallybecause when I'm working on
people, it is so light that Ithink you know what are you

(48:00):
actually doing here.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
And there are times I just have your hand on my belly
button.
Yeah, are you touching mystomach?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, exactly and like are you doing anything?
And I tell people that I'm likeit very.
Your feelings of what'shappening will vary from like
yeah, is she actually doinganything?
To like I feel all sorts ofthings my soul goes somewhere
else.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
When I do, so many people say that, so many people
say that it's interesting.
It's like whatever, just let thebody do the work.
Yeah, and I love that you saythat, because bringing in all
this feminine energy and for mewhat that means is like I feel
like all females especially havesuch a nurturing, holistic
approach.
I mean, this is why we werecalled witches years and years

(48:39):
ago.
This is why you know, we knowintuitively, you know, if your
child has a respiratory, like,okay, what herbs, like what
steam do they need?
What humidify?
You know it's almost like itintuitively happens.
So, as I actually went tomassage school as well, when I
first moved to Sarasota, afterexercise physiology I was like,
okay, well, I don't want to dosomething that's going to kind
of add to it.

(48:59):
You know, I hurt my clients, Ican fix them afterwards,
whatever.
Um, but when I was in massageschool, I realized in clinic I
intuitively could feel wherepeople needed work done and they
would comment on thatafterwards.
However, at the time, at 21years old, I'm like I can't do
this, like I didn't know I wastaking on people's energy.

(49:21):
I didn't know how to protect myenergy, I didn't want to touch
people.
It's interesting, looking backnow I'm like, well, that's what
it was.
I wasn't protecting my energy,I wasn't cleansing, I wasn't
understanding how to kind ofwash away the day.
And this goes for anything,including my big community

(49:41):
events.
It's like anything people eat.
You don't have to be touchingsomeone to take on energy.
Um, but I would have you knowpeople random, never knew them,
never had experienced them.
I could tell like you knowwho's hip and they're like, oh
my God, how'd you know to getinto that hip?
I didn't know.
And it just it's somethingintuitively that happens.
So it's not like you knowyou're a fortune telling, like

(50:06):
you know, when people thinkintuition, you're like intuitive
Sometimes I think it does freepeople.
I think right now we're in areally beautiful era with it,
though, where it's much morewidely accepted and welcome and,
um, you know, people appreciateit a lot more than we.
We have it's different,different time frames in history
, but it's real and everyone hasthat though.

(50:28):
Yeah, if we slow down and weconnect to ourselves and our
bodies and we really setourselves up to have that mind,
body, spirit connection, we canall have that level of intuition
and intuitive ability and beable to, you know, connect with
people in different ways andconnect with ourself in
different ways and understandwhat our partners or our

(50:51):
children or our friends and whatwe may need.
Yes, you know, it's not reallyyou don't have to be in the
healing realm and a healingpractitioner to understand.
If we slow down enough, if weregulate ourselves enough by
these different modalities andtake care of ourselves, we can
be open.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And how many times have people had a gut feeling
about something and then theydidn't?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
listen.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I feel like I got to a certain point in my life where
it was like okay, that I'mgoing to stop doing.
I'm going to stop doing thatbecause I've noticed too many
times that I've noticed it andthen I didn't follow through.
And that's where the internalshift of doing the craniosacral
work works long-term because, Ithink once things begin to align

(51:39):
properly and that CSF isflowing, the work is much more
than just on that table in thatmoment, over those next few days
, like it can betransformational months later,
even sometimes years later.
Just because if you arecontinuing to abide by those
body messages now, you willlearn to open that up more and
more where you're like, oh,because I said no to that, look

(52:01):
what opened up over.
Open that up more and morewhere you're like, oh, because I
said no to that, look whatopened up over here.
Like that surrender and flowyou're talking about.
A lot of times we feel like wehave to control something, we
have to do these because, but Ijust have to surrender and flow
and go with what actually feelsgood in this moment, and
sometimes even lately, itapplies to myself.
It's just as my plate expands.
Where do I actually need to cutout what's not feeling like a

(52:24):
full-on yes for me?
Because if it's not feeling ona full-on yes, then why am I
doing it Right?

Speaker 1 (52:27):
If that person cancels dinner, if something
just doesn't, you're rentingsomething and just like, oh no,
it's not going to work out.
It's like just for learning totrust, giving yourself
permission to trust the process,like it's not always going to
be pretty in the moment, it'snot always going to feel good in
the moment.
But I find that for my personalexperience, if I take a step

(52:50):
back and I look big picturebecause usually we want to react
to that moment, but is itreally even in that moment that
we're reacting to, or is it ourpast conditioning and the things
, maybe something that'shappened before, it's like, well
, okay, so those things backthen didn't work out either.
But look what, look where youare now, yeah, yeah and trusting

(53:15):
, and that might not always bethe best place, but just
trusting that it's going to flowand and and staying open to
receive, I think is really huge.
And that's really kind ofwhat's been coming up for me as
we've been talking is I feellike with craniosacral, you are
giving people the space theyneed to be open to receive and
there is something reallybeautiful in that.

(53:35):
I know for my own healingjourney until I was open to
receive my own love and my ownappreciation and my, you know.
Hold myself accountable fromthe inside out and stop
projecting everything abouteveryone.
It was never about anyone else.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You need to for yourself, because no one else is
going to do those things thatyou need to.
Right, they're not going to takecare of you.
They're not going to give youthe food you need when you need
it, right here.
They're not going to be like,take a break, right.
They're not going to give youthe food you need when you need
it, right here.
They're not going to be liketake a break.
They're going to fill up your.
You know you're going to feelyou need to fill up your
schedule, you need to have, youneed to do, but you're also the
one that has to protect you.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Right and a healthy way of learning boundaries, not
out of a flight.
Flight fear, nervous systemstandpoint.
It's protecting from a Ooh.
I'm in peace and balance rightnow and to me, at 40 years old,
success means peace, balance andjoy.

(54:26):
It doesn't mean hustle.
It doesn't mean anythingfinancial, to be honest, because
you can be in the bestfinancial place ever and on
paper everything looks great andyou can be completely void and
empty inside.
Yeah, completely yeah, andactually that's one of my
favorite quotes from Jim Carreyis like I wish that everyone
could be rich and famous so theycould see that this is not what

(54:50):
it's about.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, A hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
And so what?
The work that you do is justbeautiful because you're
creating that space for people,and tell us so.
You have something prettyexciting.
You've announced this week thatI'm.
It's like epic timing, by theway.
Talk about divine alignmenthere.
Tell us a little bit about thisnew venture, and yeah, so this
week I've actually brought on myhusband.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
His name is Matthew Dequani and he has been
practicing body work for sevenyears and he's great at all of
the deep tissue stretching,getting into those areas and
really like.
I mean his hands are like youknow, so it's he provides that.
But he's also very intuitiveand gentle.
He also does craniosacral, sobeing able to have him there, I

(55:37):
feel like, is a great balance,because he gets to be able to
give his gifts to the world.
He does have so much to offerand I am not the person to offer
some of those things that Iwish I could.
Like I want to get into a lotof the massage stuff I used to
and I just it's a big no for mybody that I've had to
continuously hear over and overagain to go.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
okay, all right, I got the message.
I know yes.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And it's funny enough .
Sorry to separate onto adifferent topic, but when I'm
working on people, that is amessage I hear often is to you
don't have to do it, you don'thave to do so much.
Like, stop doing so much,because I think we, we think we
have to, especially when Istarted to learn craniosacral
and I'm like learning thetechniques and I'm like I want
to do the techniques the way andthere is something to that.

(56:22):
But how much we're getting inthe way.
Where's the intuition whenwe're so mechanical?
So I've started to get out ofmy way and I start to flow with
people and I think, to yourpoint, that's something that
when I'm working on kids, youknow, I try to tell people,
especially babies.
They're so sensitive to theirauras, so I have to be gentle
with how I go into things andsometimes on a first visit I may

(56:43):
not even touch their heads andthat can seem so weird for
parents because they're likeyou're doing craniosacral
therapy.
That's what I'm here, for whatam I paying for?
But then when they leave andthey see they're like, oh, okay,
but um, because I have toexplain, especially for, like
the autistic kids that I dealwith, you know, like they're
very sensitive, I have to bevery mindful of what.
They're always in control,every single person I'm working

(57:04):
with is always in control, evenas an infant.
I can tell when they're sayingno when we listen.
So if they don't want me ontheir heads, I'm not just going
to go there because that's whatthey.
I can intentionally direct myenergy of what I'm intending to
do and that is one thing thatI've noticed is the quantum
aspect of this and it'ssomething that John Upledger,
who is who I went throughUpledger Institute for

(57:26):
craniosacral.
He really wanted to be verymedical and get this into like
every hospital so that everybaby could experience this from
birth, like, and I can totallysee and appreciate his vision on
that.
But in order to do that, I feellike he had to leave out the
woo-woo stuff.
But like there was a day whereI thought seems like this is

(57:48):
more of a quantum thing.
It seems like this is, you know,just even the fact that you've
created the permission foryourself and you're in a place
to be able to receive, becausethat does make a hundred percent
of a difference.
I mean, I don't have manypeople that are being coerced to
be on my table, but I imaginethat if their, like wife is
making them come or something,it's a different receptivity.

(58:08):
Their body's not going tocommunicate the same way.
But yeah, being able to holdthat space open allows for that
quantum observation effect.
Where you have now created thatspace, I've created that and we
are both tuning into the bodyand it's like having somebody

(58:29):
sit with you when you are, like,really sad and you don't even
want to talk, you just wantsomeone to see you like.
I don't know if you've ever umheard of the dr emoto um rice
experiment years ago.
So we had.
It's based on water and theintelligence of water and
daughter.
Uh, dr beta austin, is she adoctor?
Well, beta austin goes on toabout water consciousness now

(58:51):
which, if you haven't explored,her work.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
My husband just had her on.
He just had her on his podcaston Monday.
She's amazing.
I know I'm like why didn't youtell me about her Because I
could have had her on my do?
She was just.
She might still be in town.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Oh, my goodness, oh that's so cool, I'll have to
send you the episode when itcomes out.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
It comes out next Thursday, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Please do, because her work fascinates me so much.
It's amazing.
I feel like it plays so muchinto the stuff that I'm dealing
with too, because we're talkingabout the consciousness of our
CSF and everything that's waterinside our body, and I deal a
lot with frequency too, and sounderstanding intention and
frequency and vibration isreally everything I mean.

(59:30):
It started to make me wonder,essentially.
So back to Dr Emoto, and I'llgo to this.
He did this rice experimentwhere he had a thing of rice
that he divided into threecontainers same containers so
that the experiment was the sameOne he said nothing but nasty
things to for like two weeks One, nothing but positive things,
and one he completely ignoredand the one that was the worst.
The positive one didn't look sobad, the negative one looked

(59:52):
pretty gross, but the one thatwas ignored was the one that was
the worst Because it had noconnection at all, nothing.
It is just going to show that,literally, our attention on
anything that's conscious bringsthat space for it to do what it
needs to do, and there's somuch of our not even paying
attention.

(01:00:13):
So it's when we do that forourselves, we are finally doing
that for ourselves, andsometimes it just takes that we
can say we're going to cut outthat time for ourselves, and
then we sit down for an hour andwe're distracted.
We're cutting out that timespecifically for ourselves and
somebody else is holding thatcontainer for us as well, and
that's why I think it'squantumly healing.
I've noticed it doesn't matterif I'm touching you, if you're

(01:00:38):
across the country.
I started experimenting withthat because I know Reiki can be
done from a distance.
But I specifically wanted tointend and be like okay, if I'm
working on people, the same waythey're sitting in front of me
and I've been intending to workon certain areas.
There are things that happen tome when I'm working on someone
that let me know that there's ashift happening.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
I mean, I see what's happening for you too, but
different body things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
So I thought I'm just going to try it out.
Who wants to try it out?
I just woke up with thisfeeling one day and it was like
put it out there, let's just see.
So I'm like, okay, I'm justgoing to see, does anybody want
to do this?
And I put out like 10 spots andthey were filled within an hour
and I thought, okay people areready for this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Let's try it.
Oh, I'm down, I'm signing upand they all just had these.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
That's an intuitive thing.
So that is something I don't doas much because I've been
working on the brick and mortarand you know it's a little
harder to get into that quantumaspect with everybody.
But that's why I speak more ofthat kind of stuff on my

(01:01:41):
platform, because I do want toconnect all of those pieces for
people so that they can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Because they are all connected.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I mean, we are all frequency.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Everything that has life, energy, substance is a
frequency and there is somethingto that collective
consciousness and justsurrounding.
That's why it's so important tosurround yourself with what
fills you up and understand whatdoesn't, and that's a really
great way to eliminate thingsand bring things in and learn

(01:02:12):
when to protect and setboundaries and learn when to
open and relax.
And that's how we really and Ithink you know, making the
connection not only on like aspiritual communication level,
but within our own bodies.
And what came up for me whenyou were talking about, you know

(01:02:33):
, not feeling into ourselveslike an example of that, is like
a mom who has multiple children, who's doing so much for her
children and she's not nurturingher own body and herself as
much as you know she has, andespecially if they're back to
back to back, you know, I canimagine I have three teenagers
and a five-year-old.
So you know we got.
We got a 10 year gap there inbetween, but I can imagine

(01:02:54):
having back to back to back,Like I have a girlfriend who has
seven children and she's hadthem in like 10 years.
So learning how to nurtureyourself through that and giving
yourself permission to pourinto yourself is so important
and that's one of the reasonsshe's been so successful.
She gives herself thatpermission, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
So if there's, or go ahead no, and just having that
support too, because if youdon't have somebody who sees you
, like you had said earlieryou're like I had to start
filling my own cup.
And that was something that Ihad to learn too.
I mean, I love my partner andI'm love you but I'm going to
put you on blast a little bit,because there was a point where
you know he was so focused onbeing the provider for the
family et cetera that he didn'tsee all that I was doing,

(01:03:38):
because the masculine side ofhim was, you know, and his
father was repeating words of,basically, things that were
you're not providing income, soI'm like, but if you were to pay
somebody for everything else Iam providing for the family,
where's my worth?
So I'm sitting here feelinglike I have to work even harder
just so that you see me.

(01:03:58):
I'm not doing that because I amgoing to tell myself that I am
seen for who I am.
I'm enough for who I am.
I'm worthy for exactly how I am.
And I started to fill my owncup before Miley Cyrus came out
with her little song.
I was buying myself flowers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
That's how my healing journey started.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yes, and it wasn't any kick to my husband.
It was just kind of like hewasn't in a and we talk about
this now because he's not inthat mindset now, but he wasn't
in a place of thinking thatbuying me flowers not a priority
.
Did he realize how importantthat would be for me, like it
just none of that reallymattered, but it was.
I'm not gonna wait to feel likeI'm worthy of getting some

(01:04:41):
flowers, like I'm getting myselfthe flowers because I deserve
them and I'm gonna get myselfthe cup of coffee because I
deserve the coffee and I'm gonnado what I need to do because I
know that I'm not overdoing itand I'm worthy of these things.
And I started to just fill mycup and take time for myself,
get the massages even thoughhe's a massage therapist because
we talk about.
But it's different gettingmassages, but it's like having a

(01:05:03):
plumber husband, like thetoilet's broken.
Come on, we live at the samehouse.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Oh, I grew up in a contractor's house and they're
still shit broken.
That was broken 40 years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I have to outsource for stuff.
Let's just let's you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
But it's healthy to do that too, A hundred percent,
Because you know, in apartnership you can't expect the
one person to fulfilleverything.
It can't be everything.
Like we have to do it forourselves.
And when we to do it forourselves, it allows us to be
more open to receive for them,people to chip in and do it as
well, and it's almost like weappreciate it more when it comes

(01:05:35):
from a different place, of like, well, I need this from you,
but it's like well, if I canprovide this for myself.
It kind of takes a load offthem right now when they don't
have the capacity for it.
And when I started tounderstand that in my own
marriage, I mean that's when myhusband and I started to totally
shift.
And when I started tounderstand that in my own
marriage, I mean that's when myhusband and I started to totally
shift, when we started tohealthily, like in a healthy way
, detach and learn you know whathealthy attachment is with that

(01:06:00):
and go on our own journeys butthen support each other at the
same time.
It's like, wow, you're reallybusting your ass in one way and
I'm busting mine in another, andwe haven't always appreciated
and seen that.
But now we can see it.
For what?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
it is and it's such a big picture and how beautiful
is that?
Because I remember, you know,talking with my therapist one
time and she this was probablylike a year or so ago, and she
was like you know, some peoplemarry over, you know several
different people throughout, andsome people will remarry the
same person.
And I kind of feel like I wastelling my husband I feel like
we're going through that.
We're like we're almost goingthrough a different season where
, like wow, we get to appreciateall that we were both doing

(01:06:38):
that we couldn't see, becauseit's hard when you're fixed on
your vision and then we tend toattach our worth and our value
to somebody else of what they'recapable of being able to do,
but we're also, by doing thatfor ourselves, showing them how
we want to be loved.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Right, you know, like if he didn't want to go out to
dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Like okay, I'm going to go out to dinner.
Like I love this restaurant andI'm craving it and I'm not
going to wait five months tillyou think it's time.
Like, I'll go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
And that's okay, because alone I take myself to
lunch and to brunch all the time.
I actually kind of I feel blesshis heart.
Me and my husband reallyappreciate more alone time Like
we do.
Thank.
God totally Like.
It's like I think I need morealone time than every four
people.
I know that's okay, I thinkit's just the season.
I love it, but it allows me todecompress and set myself up for

(01:07:28):
all the other stimulating partsof my life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Because I know that about myself otherwise I'm
coming in hot because I'm firingoff.
Yes, and your body woulddefinitely have something to say
about that if you weren't andit still does sometimes, even if
I feel like I'm balancing itright right and I mean, but
those are our checks andbalances and we have to have
those and at least you're awareof it and can tune it a little
bit better and I think that'sthe biggest part.
Like, when people are like oh,are you healed now?

(01:07:51):
Yes, but it didn't come as aresult of like.
And when I say yes, I mean like, I'm not dealing with a lot of
like, the things I was dealingwith.
Like, you know, I can eat, I canstabilize my weight, but I also
know how to take care of myself.
Like I went on a trip last yearto France and this was a trip
totally called like that.
I still am trying to figure out, like, why did I go on this

(01:08:13):
trip?
I mean, don't get me wrong, Iloved it.
It's just it was more of like acalling, like I don't even know
why I'm.
I don't even know why I'm going, but I feel like I have to go,
kind of thing, and it waswonderful and I think it's
definitely brought in a lot oflike, even as you had mentioned,
you know, the women are theones who are there for the birth
, we're usually the ones therefor the healing, we're there for
the death.
I think there's a lot of thatfeminine energy coming in.

(01:08:34):
So that trip to France wasreally important.
But, that being said, I preppedmyself.
I'm like I know that I'm goingto need certain things.
I like to sleep with my heatingpad and my eye mask and my
earplugs and I have to have mycertain foods and we'll call it
things that I don't notice whenI'm at home but have become the

(01:08:55):
routine part of how I keepmyself stable, that I had to
actually intentionally thinkabout to prepare to make sure
that when I'm over there I'm notgoing to be dysregulated,
because I know that all it takesis that dysregulation to start
what I think a lot of people whoexperience back injury as like
a flare up, but what's happeningis that you haven't learned how

(01:09:17):
to listen to your nervoussystem yet and you have to be
your own.
You have to be your own parent.
How would you pack your bagsfor your kid?
Make sure they have everythingthey need?
And I tell you what I swear mylike intuition was totally with
me on packing that trip.
I packed two heating pads justin case the first night, of
course.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
European outlet blows it out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Blew it, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I did, so I'm like I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I needed two, you know.
But like every littlehomeopathic thing I brought with
me I needed, like every it waslike, oh my God, I packed
literally everything I needed sothat and that trip took me to
the extents of what my nervoussystem could handle and still
showed me I could do that andexpand and still be okay, cause
I had my back.
And I think that was probablyone of the biggest things out of

(01:10:00):
that trip was to show you canbecome uncomfortable again and
stretch as long as you can takecare of yourself, because if I
don't have those things thenit's like, okay, well, who's?
I've learned a long time agothat, like, no one else is going
to know you better than you.
So, yeah, just do the thingsyou need to do.
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Yeah, yeah, I did a lot of international travel last
year and I totally feel you onthat one.
And there was a trip where I Ijust like, oh, I'm in Italy, I'm
going to eat the pasta.
I have an egg allergy.
I was so bloated, I was sopuffy, it was miserable, but I
had so much fun.
It was a yoga intuition retreatso it was like the best of both
worlds.
I'm like, but no, I can't.
No pasta for me.

(01:10:39):
And it's because of the eggs.
Everyone's like, couldn't you?
This has been.
I feel like we could talkliterally for like five hours,
but we might have to circle backon more of the quantum stuff
too.
But there's a couple things.
You want my audience, ouraudience, the listeners out

(01:11:01):
there like a couple differentmessages.
Um, you just want to portrayout there.
What would those be?
What, what advice, what tidbits, what peace of mind?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Um, I would say your body's not broken.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
So if you are in a position of feeling that way,
even if it's chronic pain, evenif it's actually you know, even
if they've told you that you are, I'm here to tell you that
you're not um.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
So if you haven't explored this modality to find
somebody and not everypractitioner will be the same
and it's just no different thanyour body has to be able to open
.
So I think that's important too, and just discerning who you're
going to, because not everybodyis good about knowing that they
need to cleanse their energyand stuff too.
So, so important.
But also just to if you havechildren, I think it's really

(01:11:55):
imperative that we start lookingat the airway stuff, because
that is really telling for howmuch their nervous systems can
handle and adapt, and I thinkthat's probably the like.
We're, so adaptable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
We just need to get back to heal themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Yeah, we just need to presume competence in the body
and watch how that unfolds.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I love that, and so how?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
can we find you?
Oh, my goodness.
Okay, so I am in Bradenton.
Um, I, do I give my address onthis or no?
I just you can find me onholistic on Instagram.
Let's leave it that way.
Okay, you can just closewhatever you want, but um yeah,
on Instagram, holistic alchemist, and if they have trouble
finding me, they can just findme on your page I think that's

(01:12:42):
probably the best way and on mywebsite, holistic alchemycom.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Awesome.
Thank you so much for joiningme today and I really think we
need to circle back to.
There's so much, so much Icould have unpacked.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
I know my goodness, I never even know what to go with
.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
So I'm glad you were like let's go all the way, all
the way, all in all the time.
Awesome.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.

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