Deeper Dive- Decoding the Craniosacral System with Holly Del Valle

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The subtle, profound language of your body holds keys to healing that conventional approaches often miss. In this deep-dive conversation with returning guest Holly Del Valle, we explore the fascinating world of craniosacral therapy and how this gentle modality can transform chronic health challenges by working with your body's natural rhythms and systems.

Holly explains how the craniosacral system—comprising your 22 cranial bones, spine, sacrum, and cerebral spinal fluid—functions as an interconnected network with its own breath pattern and rhythm. What makes this system revolutionary for healing is its intimate connection with your fascia, the crystalline connective tissue web carrying memory and information throughout your body. When this system becomes dysregulated through physical trauma, emotional stress, or environmental factors, a cascade of symptoms can emerge.

For parents, understanding craniosacral therapy's benefits for babies and children opens new possibilities for addressing everything from colic to airway issues. Holly shares how modern infant care practices—from car seats to swaddling—can sometimes limit the natural stretching babies need for proper fascial development. For adults, especially those with hypermobility, learning how your unique body works becomes crucial for healing chronic conditions. We explore how many compensatory movement patterns and breathing habits may be undermining your wellbeing without your awareness.

The conversation takes a practical turn with a demonstration of Emotional Freedom Technique (tapping), a powerful self-regulation tool combining acupressure points with emotional acknowledgment. Holly also addresses the reality of postpartum recovery, noting that the body may need 4-6 years to fully heal—a timeline rarely acknowledged in our fast-paced world.

Listen in and discover how tapping into your body's innate wisdom might be the missing piece in your health journey. What might your fascia be trying to tell you?

Thank you for joining me today. Please know that this podcast and the information shared is not to replace or supplement any mental health or personal wellness modalities provided by practitioners. It’s simply me, sharing my personal experiences and I appreciate you respecting and honoring my story and my guests. If something touched your heart please feel free to like, share and subscribe. Have a beautiful day full of gratitude, compassion and unconditional love.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up you guys?
Welcome to this episode ofCrystal Clear.
I have a beautiful returningguest with us today, the
holistic alchemist, hollyDiValli.
Welcome back, thank you.
Yes, your episode did so well.
I got so much feedback and somany more questions, so I feel
like it was worth, especiallywhile it's fresh, to have you

(00:22):
back on and to dive a littledeeper.
I know we covered a broad rangeof topics last time, so I think
it would be it's so hard not to.
It's so hard not to but I wouldlove to just start off by A
give us a little brief on whatis craniosacral.
And then B how do we know ifthis is something that might

(00:43):
work for us?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, I almost want to start with B.
No, start with B, please.
All right, so well, no, we'llstart with A.
It makes more sense.
Okay, so the craniosacral systemis something that is inclusive
of your cranial bones you have22 different cranial bones and
it's inclusive of your spine andyour sacrum and your cerebral

(01:04):
spinal fluid.
Now, this is as you breathe.
This actually has its ownbreath and its own rhythm, its
own pulse, has its own hydraulicpump system that is being
pumped by the whole internalfascial system.
So your dural tube, as anexample, is like an internal
fascial system.
The cerebral spinal fluid isintricately connected with the

(01:28):
fascia, and I think that's kindof a misconception that might be
going out right now that it'sseparated, but it actually
innervates right to theconnective tissue, which is your
fascia, and so this modality ishelping downregulate the
nervous system.
It's helping with any type oftrauma, whether that's physical
or emotional or chemical, thesetypes of things.

(01:51):
I mean, our bodies areelectromagnetic and the cerebral
spinal fluid is directlyderived from your mother's
amniotic fluid.
It carries light, informationand it is what's supporting your
brain and your nervous system.
It's what's giving itinformation and what state to be
in, and it carries memory.

(02:11):
So I think this is one of thebiggest things too.
I think that your fascialsystem, which is the web that
holds your entire body together,is you know they're figuring
out that it's PZO electric?
Is you know they're figuringout that it's PZO electric?
It's crystalline in structureand the way that it seems.
You know?
I know you've had somebody onhere who does EMDR.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I've not had EMDR done, but I understand that your
eyes are supposed to move todifferent sides and it helps
with the brain hemisphere.
There's something sofascinating that happens when
I'm working on people and Iremember back when I first
started watching their eyes goback and forth and I'm like
that's so fascinating.
It happens every time and Ifind that what my perception of

(02:53):
what's happening is their bodyis like scanning and like
defragmenting the computer,which is the fascial system
that's been holding on to likeevery single thing.
We've been through theepigenetic line that hasn't
cleared all of the differentenergy that's just storing in
the body that the body doesn'tknow what to do with, and I
think our children are showingus how much their bodies are

(03:15):
overloaded with all of this um.
So when you ask who can benefit, um, I think if you're
breathing and you're human, youcould benefit and you probably
need it.
But there's a lot more.
There's a lot of people that aredealing with like autoimmune
issues.
That's kind of how I came intoit and I'm not going to say that
I have an autoimmune condition.
But when I felt like my bodywas failing me and I was losing

(03:38):
all that weight rapidly anddoctors were like I don't know
what's wrong with you.
I mean, I felt like I was dyingand I searched out like
chiropractic and hypnotherapyand like just all these
different things, because Ithought, okay, well, there must
be something else going on, likeemotional or maybe in my spine,
like I knew enough to know that.
And then somebody saidcraniosacral and it changed my

(03:58):
life and I realized that whenthe nervous system could be
calibrated, the rest of the bodyknew how to take care of itself
and so even for those that have, like autoimmune conditions,
just being able to keep thatbaseline, so that the body
doesn't have to be so frazzledby all of the different input,
like we're getting toxic inputdaily through either our water,
our food, our air and, like youknow, technological input,

(04:21):
things that we've become EMFs,all the things that are
normalized to us.
Well, we've become right andwe've become adaptable to it
because it's been like over time, like you and I grew up where
we still had some time growingup outside pre-computer internet
days, and I saw somethingyesterday that said we were
putting in, like our MySpaceHTML codes Like we didn't even

(04:41):
know, like how did?
We were like trained by the CIA, like we didn't even know what
we were doing, but um, but welike did.
I could never tell you how Idid all that now but yeah, life
was just different at that point.
I think our kids are justshowing us that there's so much
input and that we're not justthis physical 3d body, um.
So yeah, how's that for thefirst AMV?
Did it, I love it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, I love it.
And there's like six thingsthat popped up while you were
talking about it Because it's sotrue.
And so to get back to likefascia and the connective tissue
and spinal fluid and all ofthese things that I think that
we don't, you know, society as awhole don't realize how
important it is that.

(05:25):
I mean, it's a system right, Imean think of like our water
filter or the AC in our house,like if part of that system is
clogged or it's blocked or it'snot working properly, or there's
a kink or there's a hole orthere's a, you know, you would
call the repair personimmediately.
But when it comes to thephysiology of our bodies and I

(05:47):
think that one thing sometimeswe don't know is like we don't
know how we've becomedysregulated, we just know that
we are dysregulated- and it'slike, but where to start, right,
or we know.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's been a multitude of things and because of that
we don't know where to start.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
We don't know where to start Exactly, and that was
kind of how my journey was atone point.
And now we added a new puppy toour world a month ago and I've
been unhinged, since it is likehaving a newborn.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
You came in with an accent I don't get to sleep.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
I'm like what is happening.
I cry like once a week, but Iknow what I need to do to
regulate myself.
So I do need to come see you.
But I think it was reallyinteresting when you were
talking about the eye movement.
I have done EMDR and it reallydid help when I was in like the
midst of digging through likedeep, deep childhood trauma

(06:37):
stuff.
It was amazing because youwould leave and be like oh, oh,
but you have to do the somaticwork with that.
So you know you can do onemodality, but the body work and
the things to kind of push thatalong the way also needs to be
done.
And I think that that'ssomething that I know I've had

(06:58):
to learn, just based on whatworks and what doesn't work and
what do I need when?
And you know, you kind of comeup with a science for it after a
while, for your unique body.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
but also knowing that that ebbs and flows.
A hundred percent and you haveto listen to what like?
There's no combination that'sexact for everybody.
There's no one size fits all,and I believe that about
everything, which is why, like afew years ago, I was like what
the heck?
There's no one size fits all.
You can't just tell everybodythat they need to go do this
thing because, like, it's notgoing to affect everybody the

(07:31):
same.
I mean, I could get stung by abee and be fine.
You could get stung by a beeand it'd be a complete disaster.
Let's just you know it's likepeanut butter.
I mean, I could be aroundpeanuts and be totally fine.

(07:52):
You maybe not like, you know,it's just, we can't just assume
that it's yeah.
So, um, and in general, findingyour combination to your
healing is like your ownpersonal.
You know, we all have to arrivethere through our own journey
and that looks different foreverybody.
Um, one thing I forgot tomention is that for our babies
and children, this is a hugething the craniosacral has
become.
I wish I knew that it was sobeneficial for babies.
Back when I had my son, I justknew, like you had explained it.
Oh, if there's a kink, you know, I just knew that if there were

(08:15):
things going on trauma, yourspine could hold it and there's
kink and if you get that out,you feel better.
Like I just knew how much ittransformed my life.
Um, I had no idea how impactfulit was when it came to like the
fascia and the babies and theirexperience.
Um, my son had a reallytraumatic birth and so that was
not at all what we were lookingfor.

(08:36):
We thought we were going tohave this beautiful home birth.
I'm going to show everyone howwonderful it can be.
I was brought to my knees realquick on the surrender of
motherhood, but it also justtransformed into this journey
where now it's.
I feel like maybe it's becauseof where we live but it's also
this epidemic, it seems, ofchildren having all of these
airway issues, and so we'restarting to see snoring and

(09:01):
mouth breathing and we'restarting to realize the tongue
positioning and myofunctionaltherapy comes into play crowding
of teeth and that's allconnected to the cranium.
So this type of work is superinfluential for babies and there
is, you know, a lot ofpractitioners that are beginning
to grab hold of this and I lovethat, because for years I was

(09:22):
like there needs to be morepractitioners learning about
this, offering this, this, and Ithink it's just it's gaining
like rapid speed.
So I mean more and more peopleare hearing about it, probably
for babies and children, becauseit is so beneficial for that
and in their airway and helpingwith oral ties and colic and
just discomfort, I mean youthink about it, they've been in
the womb for nine months.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Like you know, I feel like ear infections is huge.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
All of that because these bones are not.
You know everything has to moveout and if everything is
squished, then you know thetubing and the drainage pathways
are not going to go properly.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Welcome out squished.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
It's one way or another, and even if there's
oral tethers, like in the tongue, you know you can pull on
certain areas that are going topull on these eustachian tubes.
So this is all interconnectedand if we can help them while
everything is fresh andmalleable, then there's so much
impact that that has on theirentire nervous system, on their
breathing, on how their teethcome in.
So, yeah, it's kind of a reallybig deal with, yes, their sleep

(10:26):
Really big for kids with whatseems to be like behavioral
things which I happen to think.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
There's so much more going on there, Anything
behavioral for me, I'm like allright, we got to go deep.
Yeah, but it's so hard becausethey can't verbalize what
exactly it is.
Most adults can't verbalize.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So that's the problem .
The kids, I mean, even as theyget older and they have
vocabulary.
It's like how do they tell usthat they're feeling, what
they're feeling?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
We don't even know how to.
You don't even know what you'refeeling.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
That's kind of been me.
I'm happy, I love her, but Idon't know.
I'm on a whole different octave.
I feel like this work is soimportant for children and
babies and how would one goabout asking like, how do you
know where to start and whatquestions to ask to know?

(11:11):
I mean, obviously I love allthe things I do all the things.
But I just remain very open tothings like that.
Then you know if you're say thecolic we'll just use something
super common.
You know what's always.
I never had colicky babies, butI have had a friend recently
that had very colicky baby andshe was just worn out like I

(11:31):
don't know what to do andthere's like oh, and there's no
explanation for it.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's really and I'm like they'll grow out of it has
to be right, get some grapewater, or yeah, I mean I have
picked.
We didn't go through a terriblylong stage of that, but but we
did and I have like pictures.
I wish I had video, but I havepictures of literally me just
being like at my wits end and myson just like crying and me
being kind of just like I don'teven know what to do.

(11:57):
So I think that through peoplelike midwives, lactation
consultants, airway dentists butthat's usually a little bit
later down the road, but that'susually how people are hearing
about oral ties and I think thatit's really interesting,
because I'm still on the fenceabout what I think about whether
oral ties need to be revised inthat traditional way.

(12:20):
I don't think every child needsthat.
I think for some cases,depending on your resources and
who's around you and whoperforms what and what
professionals you can get money,time and how well your baby
does with certain things.
It can be hard to say let'sjust do body work, because that
might take a month and a half ora month of consistent, you

(12:42):
coming in a few times a week andmaybe you don't have the
ability to do that, your sanitywon't let you do that, your
child's screaming in the car,maybe you financially can't do
it.
There are so many differentfactors that can go into it and
maybe, as that's happening,mom's milk is dropping, so we've
also got to consider that.
So for mom's sanity and for allof the things going on family
fight family I've suggesteddifferent things and there are

(13:05):
different practitioners now whoare doing things where I just
learned of one up in tampa whodoes something.
It's like a revision, but it'smore like warming the fascia of
the oral tie and doing thestretch and it's more like five
or six sessions of thatalongside craniosacral and that
I think I'm always a fan formore subtle things to the body

(13:27):
and allowing the body to kind ofhave the right to leave the way
.
I kind of feel like it's like achild, like I don't know how
your children were or are.
But yeah, I feel like if I say,hey, let's go do something, my
son's like no, that's just thisimmediate response.
It has to register that he evenwants to and then he can decide
and otherwise it's just nothappening.

(13:48):
So I love it when people arelike oh well, what happens if
you just don't?
I'm like you see, he either isgoing to do something because he
wants to or not.
And so it's been a creativeprocess of how can I make?
him feel like this is in hisbest interest.
So he wants to.
And with the body it's kind oflike that too, in a way of like
how can I subtly listen andallow the body to know that
there's room here so that it canexpand to its full capacity, be

(14:10):
able to have the full flow thatit needs for its nervous system
without it recoiling, and Ithink that's a big thing?
I had a massage this last twoweeks ago.
This person's normallyfantastic Look.
Everyone has off days.
You know how you have somebodywho can work with you and you
suddenly just feel like they'renot present with you.
That's how it felt that day,like you can just tell.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
And that was one of you were receiving a massage or
you were giving a massage.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
No, I don't do massage, I don't give massages.
I was, yeah, on the receivingend, and back in the day I used
to love like, oh, just beat meup, like I really want you to
get into my muscles.
Especially once I knew all themuscles, I was like you're not,
like how are you?
You're not getting in the rightspots.
And then I realized that mybody responds better to that
softer, subtle allowance.

(14:56):
This person was going a littlebit deeper than their usual with
me and I was like, okay, I'mgoing to kind of let it happen,
because maybe that's what mybody needs today, like I'm one
of those that's just going tolet it happen.
But I could feel my, my fascialike recoiling.
And I thought you don't feelthat and I thought this is the
difference.
So, um, you know, and it's justa matter of always refining

(15:17):
that too and just coming intopresence of like, is this
practitioner the one that'sgoing to be able to work for me?
Are they going to be able tolisten to what my body's needing
in this ebb and flow state?
Because that's the mostimportant part and that was one
of the biggest things that Ilearned when I learned about
craniosacral.
The first book I ever read fromJohn Upledger was talking about
your inner physician and thatbeing what is speaking and

(15:42):
leading the way.
And, just like you know, I wasgoing to mention before I liken
this so much to talk therapy forthe body, because we don't
always know where to start.
Right, and I think that was thebiggest part with my healing is
that there was such compoundedstuff that, like I knew that
what was going on had to bebased on that, but like, where
do I begin and how do I startunpacking that?
And I don't want to dig this upand talk about what I do know

(16:04):
Right, but my body was able totalk about things that it was
holding on to and I was able tostart to heal in like fast
fashion and I'm like, oh my God,and same thing with babies they
can't talk.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Same thing with my nonverbal children that I'm
working with they can't speak,but their body can.
And you have to be able to findsomebody who can listen to what
your body is saying and leadthe way, because it does have a
story to tell and it's going totell you like, hey, this is
where, when you're working withbabies, like they will tell you
like Nope, you're not getting inmy mouth today, like you can't
just make that happen.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
If.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I'm stretching with infants, I'm doing more
stretches and stuff like thattoo.
Um, and I mean, if they're nothaving it, I'm not forcing it,
like, sometimes they're reallyrestricted and it's very hard to
get into certain positions.
I'll show the parents and dowhat I can and I'll do more of
the subtle cranial work becauseI realize at that point the
stretches they're not ready for.
They will tell me and I tellthe parents, if you go home with

(16:57):
these stretches and they're not, don't do it, because I mean,
think about it.
If you're trying to stretchyour body and you're fussy,
you're holding them upside downand they're like, yeah, that's
the opposite of what you want,but it's just.
Yeah, it's not just a one sizefits all.
You have to be able to workwith each stage of the body as
you're going through.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I love that and I would love to because it came
about when you were explainingall of that.
But car seats, let's talk aboutwhat I mean.
My son is five and I still havehim in like a seat yeah,
because I feel like the theharness is safer than a seat
belt, so but he's also very talland 50 pounds now so it's like

(17:40):
what is this like?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
it's just so restrictive, like so I think as
they get older it's not quite asbad but like there's some
parents who have babies I mean,this is where I'm thinking about
it in particular so they'recoming out of the womb, they're
restricted from having beencurled up right, and now it's
time like a caterpillar, likethey're gonna come out and like
stretch out.
But we've got them swaddled andwe have them bundled up because
we want to, and we've got themin their little rockers and

(18:04):
their chairs and car seats andthey're just not able to get
that full stretch and so withoutthat happening, then they're
just going to stay restrictedand so oftentimes you'll find
that those babies, they'recolicky, they are crying their
heads off in the car seat.
It's not a gripe watersituation.
We didn't know.

(18:24):
We were like more gripe water,right.
It's not a gripe watersituation.
We didn't know we were likemore gripe water, right.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
What even is gripe water?
I?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
don't even know.
We were like it's fine, youknow, or you know it's just
teething.
But that's the other thing too.
When they're teething, all ofthose cranial bones are moving
too.
So this work helps with all ofthat and it just helps with the
fascia just kind of relax and go.
We're meant to do this.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
We got this, you know , right, it's interesting
because, intuitively, after bothmy babies were born, I was
always I don't know if it's justlike history with like
gymnastics, but I always feltlike like they need to open,
like I always tried to like likedo their arms wide and over
their heads.
I love that Because it's like Iknow how good it feels.
I mean think about when youfirst wake up in the morning.

(19:04):
It feels good to stretch.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Think of how intuitive that is.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Right, and it's like you just know that there are
little bodies need to bestretched the other way.
Yeah, it's plus strength.
I mean, that's, I think, thepurpose of tummy time, right
when tummy time came from.
But it's so much to our chestand our sternum being alive and

(19:30):
free when it comes to ourbreathing and our diaphragm, and
we touched on diaphragm alittle bit last time but it's so
important and it's so good fortheir reflexes, we neglect our
diaphragm.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Oh my gosh, and that's one of the most intensely
used muscles in everyone's body, just like we were talking
about earlier, about how nobodytaught us to like be
proprioceptive and like oh, ifour bodies are feeling this, it
might mean this, and maybe I'mhungry or thirsty or um need to
rest or you know, nobody taughtus how to cue into these things
and same thing.
Nobody's taught us how tobreathe.

(20:00):
Nobody's taught us how to useour tongue properly.
Like myofunction.
I am so painfully aware of howmuch I need a myofunctional
therapist I can't even so, thisis probably going to bring in.
You should probably havesomeone who does that.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
It'll bring in a lot of business for them.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I have someone because the thing is it's hard
to follow this up with that, itis because it's all
interconnected.
And if you're not going to workwith just the expander, because
you need to be able to help thenervous system with it and they
need to be able to get use oftheir tongue properly.
The tongue is the natural palateexpander Most of us are.

(20:33):
If we are tethered, can't getyour tongue up there.
So you know, when you've gotbabies with like high and narrow
palates which is going right upinto their nose but then they
can't even reach it because youknow, and then if they're thumb
sucking or you know, thenthey're just right, they're
forming.
They're forming the mouth in acertain way and a lot of that is
because they still are lookingfor a way to pump that CSF and

(20:54):
the tongue naturally beingsuctioned up there is going to
cue the brain or, you know, inthe body to do the pumping of
the CSF.
So if the kids are not able todo that or if their tongue is
low, sitting on the floor oftheir mouth, most of the time
they might choose to bitefingers, stick pens in their
mouths.
Maybe they're not thumb suckingat 14, but they're doing other
things that are key indicators.

(21:16):
Yeah, it's not necessarily anervous system Like, oh, they're
just nervous.
I was told I was just nervous,biting my fingers all the time.
Now I'm like my tongue sits onthe floor of my mouth all the
time.
You know, I don't know why Idon't have more of that like
mouth, breathing, looking face,because there is something that
happens with that.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh, what does the mouth breathing face look like?
I'll have to show you.
I'm going to put it up on thescreen.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know, it typically has a different
forward growth.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
So a lot of times, like the chin grows down the
nose will like like napoleondynamite kind of okay.
Yeah, like kind of like openall the time.
Okay, there's just a look Ialways make my shapes like they
call it, mouth.
I feel like have you.
Do you ever do mouth taping?
So I don't.
What is your?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
thought on that.
I have mixed feelings on it.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I think I'm like I think it's a good thing if you
know your tongue.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Like swallowing bugs out in the middle thing if you
know your tongue.
This is why I tell my son,because he's like I don't care
if I mouth breathe.
You know we're going throughthis, and he's like we have to
do all these breathing exercisesand he's like I don't care, I
don't care if I mouth breathe.
I'm like, okay, well, spiderscrawl in your mouth while you
sleep.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
See, that's like a worse fear.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's probably because parents were telling us this as
kids.
No, I don't know, do we?
I think?
I would feel that.
I don't think that's true,anyways, but no, okay.
So mouth taping, I think if youknow your tongue is able to do
what it needs to, um, maybe notas big of a deal for adults but,
like I think, for children.
It's like this big thing like,oh, just take the kid's mouth,

(22:39):
oh God, it seems wonderful, youknow, because you're forcing
them to mouth breathe.
But if you don't know, if theyhave swollen adenoids or any
airway obstruction going on, youcould be really putting their
body in a lot of fight or flight.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Fight or flight.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, because they're already having issues breathing
and now you just took out theway that they're compensating
Right and you're forcing them togo the way that their body was
like.
This wasn't working.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So I would be afraid that my child would go to school
Like my mommy tapes my mouthshut at night.
Child abuse no, that can beviewed a lot of different ways.
It can.
I was thinking more for myself.
But that's kind of funny.
It made me chuckle because myson would totally go to school
and tell everyone.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I know of course it would be like oh my goodness, oh
my gosh yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
So I have a question for you because I know I've had
a lot of friends and differentadenoids and tonsils and so for
those kids who get chronictonsillitis or chronic throat
stuff, can you fill us in onwhat kind of that might be
caused, from what some of theroot?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
So I'm still learning , okay, okay, but this is where
I'm at with it as of right now.
Um, I believe that if yourchild is mouth breathing, that
is probably the biggest root ofwhy we're looking at adenoids
being swollen.
Now, there are some people thatmay disagree with me on that
and, again, I'm still learning.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean, it's your perspective.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
But you know, you've got to figure if you're all the
time Now.
Granted, it could be possibletoo that like, maybe your baby
has swollen adenoids and stufffrom birth and like I mean,
unless you're checking it, howwould you know?
So it's kind of like chicken oregg thing at this point.
But I'm just imagining ifyou're coming out of the womb
and now all of a sudden you'rebreathing air and we know that
there could be things in the airdust, pollen, if you have any

(24:33):
animals, dander, whatever you'rebreathing all of that through
your mouth.
Like I remember learning oh, ifyou're on an airplane, breathe
through your nose, because youhave hairs in your nose which
are a filter, so that you know.
But you don't have that right.
So, like people who are havingchronic things go on back there.
I just happen to think thatbetween the lack of moisture
because the mouth is dry now andthen just possibly those things

(24:56):
they could just be having,chronic allergens basically,
that are keeping that from beingsmaller.
Now, if they have obstructionin their airway, that's also
going to affect their adenoidsand things can't drain properly,
it's going to affect theadenoids.
Now sometimes you can correctthe airway and the adenoids will

(25:18):
go down.
But if a child and I just hadthis talk with a myofunctional
therapist up in Boston a coupleof weeks ago, so I think she's
one that believes that it's not,it's just if you're, if your
child, you know, because nobodywants to go and chop off their
child's like anything.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Nobody wants to go and just like OK, we need to
remove the adenoids.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
They're not doing that as much as they used to
because their filters andeverything else and people are
concerned about that being aneffect on the immune system,
about that being an effect onthe immune system.
But I was looking up the otherday because some kids, if
they're having chronic issuesand they've gone through an
expansion, sometimes it's stillnot solving the issue.
Now what?
Well, at that point maybe youhave to go ahead and get rid of

(25:56):
them because they're becoming noby expansion what do you mean?
A palate expansion?
So if that palate is expandedand now that's not going up into
the nose and things are able todrain properly those adenoids,
may you know, because you've gotto figure, if you were to look
at the airway going down, if theadenoids are swollen they're
making that like this.
So if you can get everything toget bigger, the adenoids may

(26:16):
naturally go down.
That's what you'd like to see.

(26:36):
If it's not happening, like ifyou have a child with pandas,
like sometimes they'veoriginally had strep and then
that can kind of like reoccurwith things.
I think that it might bepossible that kids that have
pandas have more reoccurringissues within the body and
you're not finding a way to beable to help it through these
other therapies.
You know it might be time to goahead and look at removing them
.
The thing is is that I guess asthey get older it becomes, you
know, a little bit more of arisky procedure for them because

(26:59):
the scar tissue and all of that.
So I think regardless.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's why they do it when they're young, because the
older they get, the harder itis to recover.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, and I think it's important, no matter what,
if you are going to do that, tohave craniosacral along with it,
because, again, it's helpingthe nervous system recover,
you're helping the trauma ofwhat you know had to be done.
But yeah, I'm still learningwith all of that and I I would
hope that we don't have to dothe adenoid removal and that

(27:28):
this whole expansion process canallow that to be.
You know the case.
But the myofunctional therapistI met with the other day told
me that was not the case withher child and they still had to
do, you know, removal.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
So, and I think it's just case by case.
And again, like just knowingadvocating and asking the
questions that fit for you andyour family, because it works
for yourself, maybe differentthan mine.
You know what for you and meand I think that's a huge
takeaway here is yes, we feellike it's beneficial for
everyone.
However, the approach isdifferent and it may need other

(28:00):
support type therapy.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right.
I think that's the biggestthing is that that's maybe like
even with tongue ties, likemaybe perhaps people are being
told, you know, go get thetongue tie, revision or oral
time revision done, they're notbeing told to follow it up with
body work.
And I think that is a huge like.
What's the point?

Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know I think that that's a big thing.
I don't think that's like aneglect thing.
I think that you know a lot ofWestern medicine doctors that
are trained in certain specificareas.
They know their specific area.
Right, I mean because we can'tall know everything, and this is
the point of doing all thisright so we can educate people,
because we might have an ENTthat listens to this and is like

(28:37):
, wow, I'm going to reallyunderstand more about this.
So I think that also having anopen mind and presenting these
things and these opportunitiesand the things that you hear
about to your practitioners andto the doctors that you're
seeing or the therapists thatyou're seeing, and all of these
because there is this beautifulkind of rotation of things that
you can do that all support eachother.

(28:58):
And it's not like a one sizefits all or I'm just going to go
do this, one of the big things.
I mean I have probably half adozen, if not a dozen, friends
that have gotten explant surgeryin the past I don't know five
years.
I mean it's really becausethey're realizing their bodies
just weren't handling it the waythey were when they got them 10

(29:20):
or 20 years ago and whatnot.
But like, okay, you can get thesurgery, but the emotional and
the physical and the releasingof everything else that goes
along with everything else whydid you get them in the first
place too?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think back to when I was like, really, really like
I'm gonna go get those done andI'm thankful now because we're
going through this journey ofall the you know years of, and
I'm like I don't think that Imean just my body didn't do well
with my ears getting piercedwhen I was younger like I can
wear earrings now but for years,like my body was super
sensitive to fake jewelry, justall sorts of different things.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Right, and now I turn green for my real gold rings.
I'm like, what is this?
I took it to the jeweler andthey're like your body just
doesn't respond well to whateverthe copper over the whatever
mixed with the gold is.
And I'm like, oh wow, so whatis going on inside my body?
Because I have all thesepiercings, I'm like, oh wow, so
what's going on inside?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
my body right, all these piercings.
I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah, butI just don't think it would
have been a good idea for me.
I think I would have been oneof those that was suffered like
greatly, you know, from it andum, yeah, just, I think the
emotional component of like didyou do it?
Some, some did, some did do itfor themselves, but some you
know, it's like a tied upcomponent thing.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's like that's emotional too, don't?
Do you see people for that,like I haven't?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
seen anybody, for okay, I don't know why it just
popped up for me, so that wouldbe, I'd love to.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have not feel like it's such a a it's such a
vulnerable surgery.
Yeah be, you know there's scarsinvolved and as females.
We, you know, I think we'rehypersensitive to having the
scars and the marks on ourbodies and, you know, just being
comfortable because you hold onto that.

(30:59):
Like with every physical scar,there's emotional, you know I
got melanoma anchor place it is.
It's an easy anchor place forother things to kind of stick
and drain into.
So I don't know, I just feltlike that was worth.
It just came to me.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
No, definitely I mean .

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I feel like it would be so beneficial after that.
It's such a good point.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's such a good point Cause, yeah, scar tissue
stuff it's such a big deal, LikeI think about that with women
who've had C-sections.
I mean, I've had a C-section, sothere's not many women that are

(31:42):
being told that they need to doaftercare with their scar
tissue there and it's like, well, that's even things that can be
like premature aging signs,that can literally just be
because your fascia isrestricted from your C-section
scar.
Like that it's not crazy tothink of.
We're just starting to connectthe dots and it's starting to
make a whole lot more sense to alot more people.
So I think that that's one ofthe reasons that this modality

(32:05):
is picked up too is becausewe're starting to listen to our
bodies more and realize thatthere's a language being spoken
there, that there's, you know,things that we're listening to
now that we weren't before.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Our body is a whole unit right fluid.
It's like you know, and it'snot like chopped up into little
pieces and so if you think,about it and the way that we've
structured society.
There's doctors for everylittle piece.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
There's you know, you know, and it's like well like,
but it's all one.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
You know, if I break my finger that's definitely
going to affect everything in myforearm.
Everything in my forearm isgoing to affect everything in my
tricep and my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
You know, it's just like it just kind of and there's
an emotional reason like whydid that happen on that finger,
I know.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Like you know I'm like all in the Louise Hay books
.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I know I'm like right in the Louise Hay book Me too
and German New Medicine, likeall of that stuff, is so
fascinating to me because it allmakes so much sense happen,
which I think is why peoplebegin to experience not only
like healing and natural downregulation, but also like these

(33:14):
are the things, I think, thatreally connected us with our I
am-ness and who we really are,which allows us to set the
boundaries.
We need to not be at the jobthat doesn't work out for us
anymore.
Don't have the fake friendships.
Don't say yes when you want tosay no.
You know nobody else is goingto know A what you're feeling
inside, so they're not going tobe able to advocate for you like

(33:35):
you can't.
So if you are not again likethat little child we were
talking about advocating forthat little child, who else is?
And your body listens to everytime that you say not right now,
and it's no different than yourchild deciding like I don't
want to be friends with youafter I turn 18.
Cause, every time that I neededyou, you told me not right now.

(33:55):
And that's what we're hopefullylearning to teach our children
differently about is tending tothose feelings, and it's okay to
not say yes to everything andto take a break and not do
everything the way that everyoneelse is doing it and create
your own way.
I think that's a big thing.
Right now, too, so many peopleare caught up in like I need to.
You know, live a certain way,do things a certain way.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
They're caught up in a lot of you know the energy of
certain things, externalvalidation and like to your
point when we stop seeking theexternal because we feel at
peace internally.
We value that internal peace somuch that it makes all of the
external stuff just what it is,which is none of our business.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Right, yeah, and your inner reflection starts to make
it where what you see outwardlyis, you know, responding back
to what you believe.
So, if you think that like theworld is, you know, chaotic and
funky and you're involved ineverybody else's stuff, like
that's all you're thinking about, you're really harboring, like
a lack of looking at your ownstuff.

(34:58):
And if we can go in and just go.
No, I'm just going to focus tomy own terrain, to my own, like
you know, grassroots area.
What can we actually impact,instead of getting caught up in
this energy of like all theseother things that are not really
a part of our lives and we'recarrying all of this, instead of

(35:19):
letting it just kind of likeflow through?
I think sometimes, when peoplehave more gunk in the system,
like you were talking about.
It's a lot easier for all ofthat transmission of frequency
that's going through, especiallyright now, to get stuck in
people.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
And sometimes it's hard to face it and we don't
want to look at what's going oninside.
So that's why we projecteverything outward A hundred
percent, and so then it's like,okay, well, but why are you
doing that?
And it doesn't have to be this,but why are you doing that and
it doesn't?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
have to be this, like I'm going all in.
It's like layer by layer.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Like if you have a you know, a friend's outing that
you have scheduled into andthis is one thing I actually
feel like I've been getting muchbetter at and even with
podcasting and schedule andwhatever, like I'll have things
in my calendar, sometimes amonth, two months out, but if it
doesn't feel right coming up totime, I will gladly be like,
hey, I'm not feeling it thisweek.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Like, let's do it another time.
And people appreciate it, theylove it, and they're like, oh my
God, me either.
Yes, like we gave permissionfor everybody.
It's like, oh my God, thank God, I knew it.
And how many times have wecontinuously rippled out this
like unconscious crap web ofweaving, where we're just all

(36:33):
doing things that we didn'treally want to do and we're all
showing up to things we don'treally want to be at, like
that's the most inauthenticthing we could possibly be doing
.
And what is that creating?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
and it's not serving anyone else there like, if
you're going to events andyou're, you know, yes, of course
you have obligations.
You have things that come up inyour life where it's like okay,
I need to like.
Sometimes you know things comeup and I'm like all right, I
need to center myself.
And so what I have when I'm inthose situations is I will have
a little powwow, a self powwowlike okay, bring it on a bright

(37:03):
light.
I'm going to visualize myself.
You know, I'm just going to bepresent.
I don't want to sit there and bewhere I was yesterday in my
mind or where I need to betomorrow, and someone was
talking to me about anxiety andthey were like I just I don't
know and I'm like, well for me,and I can only speak for myself,
what works is.

(37:23):
I just try to be present in mymoments right now.
We could not have thisconversation right now if I was
thinking about what happenedyesterday or anticipating what's
going on tomorrow.
And that's the perfect exampleof just being present and,
honestly, this has reallyallowed me the opportunity to
practice presence more.
You know whether it's likeplaying a silly dragon game with

(37:46):
my son or even just being alonewith myself reading a book.
I've been trying to forcemyself not force, but push
myself into more of that realm,because sometimes when I'm at
home, I will do, do, do and nottake time to just be.
And so it's like, yes, there'splenty to do always, but I don't
always have to do it.

(38:06):
And giving ourselves permissionto not always have to do it,
always have to do it Right.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
And giving ourselves permission to not always have to
do it yes, yeah and to be ableto delegate, so that you can
like delegate where you can youknow if you can, where you can,
so that you can have that spaceto pour back into yourself.
And it's funny you mentionedthe anxiety, because I was
literally sitting over therebefore you came in and I'm like,
why do I have anxiety abouttoday?
Like we've done this before,but I did.

(38:29):
And it's just like, instead ofjudging myself and getting
myself all ramped up, and thenyou show up and maybe, like I
decided I was going to tap, I'mlike why did I take so long to
do this?
So I sat there and tapped andit's like that is one of my
favorite go-to things and it'sone of the simplest things that
sometimes even I forget.
That can just bring me not onlyinto that present moment, but
allow me to be able to go.
I that present moment, butallow me to be able to go.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I'm feeling this way and this is true and I'm also
capable of doing this and I lovemyself regardless of feeling
this way and like that's okay,and I literally did one round
and was like ah, I'm good andwe're going to spell your name
right on the ones that go outthis time, because we had them
wrong on the first episode.
So demonstrate for me if youdon't mind what tapping is.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Tell us like where, all right.
So, um, so tapping is emotionalfreedom techniques.
So, for those that arelistening that don't know what
that is, um, basically based onthe science that we have
acupressure meridian points, andthese are also areas where,
like you had mentioned before,with scar tissue, these are
areas where neural clusters ofbeliefs and thoughts and
feelings can kind of just sitand form and this creates the

(39:34):
strong neural pathways that wehave that help us go through and
create the same things that wedo on a daily basis.
Sometimes that serves us,sometimes it doesn't.
So it's up to us to beconscious and present with that.
And when we're acknowledgingthese emotions, I think that's
probably the biggest thing.
So many of us, again, not rightnow, like if we felt
embarrassed, if we felt sad, ifwe felt angry.
Not right now, I mean, there'sreasons for some of that, right,

(39:57):
but if you don't tend to thatlater, where does it go?
And I mean that's sad, like somany of us have done that for so
long.
So tapping allows you to beable to not only acknowledge the
feelings that you're feelingbut then also go through and
give yourself the love andpermission and acceptance to be
in that place so it allows thoseneural clusters to actually

(40:18):
break up and new pathways ofthought to form, so that way we
can actually change thoselimited beliefs and feelings
that are kind of keeping us inthose looped behaviors.
So sometimes this can be usedfor trauma.
I mean you literally can golike a computer system and like
be like I don't even know whatthe hell I'm so angry about and

(40:39):
use it to be like why am I soangry?
And go through the differentspots.
I've done heavy work like thatbut I've also used it for just
quick rounds of like anxiety.
So as an example earlier I wassitting at the table and you
always start with like yourkarate chop point so you just
kind of get yourself in a rhythm, kind of just let your body
know like we're about to do this, and the first thing that
you'll mention is like eventhough I'm feeling X, y, z.

(41:02):
So in my case, like even thoughI'm feeling so anxious right
now, I completely and deeplylove, honor and accept myself,
love that.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, it's like affirmation.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, but it's also like you know, I'm allowed to
feel this and it's okay, insteadof just like I'm mad and like
cause sometimes I can only do somuch.
So then from here, um, you'llgo from a uh right above the
eyebrow and I might you know I'mso anxious.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Does it matter which side?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
No, you could actually do both, but it really
doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
So not in the middle of your third eye.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
No, it's going to be right above your eyebrow.
You know this anxiety.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
This feels good.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
It does right.
You could even just do this andit feels good, you know this
anxiety is rising in my chest,so right on your cheekbone,
right under your nose, and eventhough I feel this anxiety, I
completely and deeply love,honor and accept myself.
And then, like your chin, I'mstarting to feel lighter.
This anxiety is okay.

(42:03):
I'm allowed to feel thisanxiety so right on your sternum
or your chest, right under yourum collarbone and then along
the side of your rib cage.
I choose to let this go top ofthe head.
I don't actually even haveanything to say there.
But but you can, you know,sometimes you just, you know, go

(42:25):
through.
So I mean, the scripts willchange just based on how you're
feeling.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
So it's not like I feel like it's one of those
things that intuitive, you justallow what to come up.
Yes, exactly, I think it's just.
One of the biggest things is, Iknow it's really good.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
It's really good if you're able to like rate where
you're at beforehand, like ifyou're feeling a certain way,
yeah, and then just be able tosee where you're at and see, do
you need to go through?
Because sometimes you may needto do like five or six rounds
and it feels so silly,especially when you are like
pissed off or you're trying togo through like trauma stuff.
Like I can remember sittingwith my therapist being like
this is stupid, I'm not doingthis with you.

(42:59):
What is this gonna do?
yeah, and then I would leave andI was like, oh my gosh, it
actually made such a bigdifference in my healing that
that's why I went and learnedthis, you know, years ago.
And I just include it because Ithink it's something that, yeah
, not everybody knows.
It can just like quicklydeescalate, you can give
acknowledgement to what you'refeeling.
You don't have to push it down.

(43:20):
I mean, if you can't do it inthe moment, you at least know
you can do it later.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
But in the moment is like the best you know.
It just came up for me.
You know.
It's interesting how when kids,sometimes, when they get
frustrated, they hit themselvesor they bang, or they or they
like do something destructive toget that.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
The energy out the energy out.
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I know I've done it because I learned it.
So I try to carry it on with mykids, but like little guy, like
having a little butterfly wingsif he gets upset.
It's so good for you.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
I just be like oh myself.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'm a pretty butterfly or whatever you want
to say, but very similar, butjust you know different and more
like scale to kids.
But I love that technique andespecially for those.
I mean even ourselves, if wefeel like we want to get
physical or just need one ofthose people that like needs to
get the energy out.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, feel it surging through my body.
Oh, my son just got a bigpunching like, oh my gosh, it's
like all day, every day, it'slike pow and I'm like God, we've
been needing this because it'slike for him, it's like he just
you know, yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, I love that.
So one thing that we touched onbefore um, we even did our
episode that we wanted to touchon because I know that I have
experienced the hypermobilitybecause we had in our last
episode we talked about.
You know, our bodies are notsupposed to be clumsy Like
there's something behind that.
So let's talk abouthypermobility and how that

(44:44):
affects us and how that really,like you know, helps, or yes,
let's just, let's go.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
All right.
So again, I'm still learningabout this, but I just I mean, I
just discovered that, like I'm,I'm really hypermobile.
I mean I went to a yoga classlike several years ago and she's
actually a local yoga therapisthere and I remember her being
like, yeah, I noticed you werehypermobile in class because,
like I just was like, oh, I canget into these positions Easy
peasy, like I'm super flexibleAlways been I am but the problem

(45:14):
is is that my muscles are thesecond thing getting that
stretch.
My ligaments and tendons andthings are getting that stretch
first.
And that's a problem becausesometimes those things need to
stay where they are so that Ican hold my body upright.
And for that reason, hypermobilepeople um, you know they're,
they're learning that theirconnective tissue is more
sensitive.

(45:34):
They tend to be more prone tothings like MCAS, so that's mass
cell activation syndrome, wherewe all have mast cells, so
M-A-S-T mast cells, and theycould be triggered by histamine
responses.
And so when people have, I meanit could be fermented foods for

(45:55):
some people.
But I have found that if theirsystem is super dysregulated and
they have a connective tissuedisorder like hypermobility or
something that's like actuallywhat do they call it.
It's beyond hypermobility, it'sactually like a diagnosis for
it.
I can't think of it right now,but you know, if they're having
any of those things, they'remore prone to their bodies being

(46:15):
more sensitive to histamines orreactions etc.
Which can turn into POTSflare-ups or, you know, show up
as mood swings or you know theyjust have to like, tend to their
bodies differently.
So I love following theseaccounts that on Instagram that
talk about how to you know howto help your body if you're
hypermobile, you know, justnoticing that like I can't stand

(46:38):
without locking my knees, youknow this is-.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Oh, I can't stand without my hips popping out
Every time I post something likethat.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
You're like this is me.
Oh, I can't stand without myhips popping out Every time I
post something like that.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
you're like, this is me.
Yeah, I know, I'm like me too,I'm learning it.
It's true, though, like I findthat I stand and like poke my
hip out, but when I do that,like my actual hip comes out.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Right, because I've done years of.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Pilates and like really fine tuning those muscles
, it's not as bad.
But if I did not and I rememberthe doctor told me that when I
was very young like you have tocontinue doing what you're doing
, so everything will stay inplace, because otherwise my hips
go like I have this anteriorpelvic tilt I'm just like a very
lax, mostly in my hip girl, butlike my shoulders.

(47:19):
When I was a kid I could do thisthing with my arms, and my
scapula would just pop all theway out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why did I do that?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I'm like well, we'd be cutting party tricks.
You know, we were like lookwhat I can do, I'm winged.
Yeah, so many things.
Or you know like normal, orwhat is that?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
thing, even my arm, when I put it out like it
totally.
Now I know you have to do extrawork because otherwise it'll.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Every time I'm in Pilates she's like okay, like
you know, especially because,like, having done years of body
work, my wrists and stuff, andbecause I'm hypermobile and I
didn't know it, my wrists andstuff have taken a big brunt of
a lot of my work and so when I'mdoing certain Pilates positions
, I'm like trying to hold my youknow, like I don't.
Having my hands open cansometimes be hard.
So I'm like can I put my handslike that?

(48:03):
She's like, yeah, but then yourelbows are out Like she's a
kind of like turn.
You know, it's like I have torelearn how to reorganize the
muscles in my body so that whenI'm working out I'm doing the
right things.
And I think that's tying backinto your thing about the
diaphragm.
Those that are hypermobile arenot breathing right and their

(48:26):
accessory muscles are what arepicking up the primary muscles
job.
So we're like over here,especially if you have airway
issues right your scalenes, youknow traps, and then the
diaphragm is not moving, and sothat was one of the biggest
things I noticed after I gotsick.
I became like concave, almostLike one.
I had lost so much weight thatit was like my stomach hurt all
the time and I was just nauseous.
So I was in that like beetle,like curling in position, but

(48:50):
between that and then just notbreathing right, I just became
like it was hard for me to standup straight.
It literally would hurt mydiaphragm when I was in my major
flare-ups.
To stand up straight, it wouldmake me really nauseous, and
that to me now I'm like suchrestrictions going on I mean
it's now so loud to me and so Ithink for people who are

(49:11):
hypermobile one, we need tolearn how to use our bodies
properly, and I think a lot ofus can benefit from this really
really subtle work.
But we also need to be reallycareful because certain things
can be not as subtle and theycan send people right into
flare-ups or do the opposite ofthe healing that you're looking

(49:33):
to get.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
And I think that it's really important for the
hypermobility to find someone towork with you individually
before you go and do mass things.
I know that was actually whatinspired me to become a personal
trainer years and years andyears ago.
Is I remember, like peoplewouldn't, like, you know, they
weren't hearing me when I wassaying, well, I can't, you know,

(49:56):
front squats feel betterbecause something on the back of
my, you know, on the like, withthe bar on the back of my neck
like I don't move that way.
So I have to have it on thefront to balance that curvature
and it took a few veryintentional trainers to hear me
and understand that.
But if you're taking these massclasses or crossfitting and you

(50:16):
know things, that just really,if you do have that
hypermobility really likePilates, is huge for me and not
necessarily running anymore.
I do more of the like.
I still love a good cycle classbecause my body can handle
running like it used to, becauseI just try to be a little bit
easier on it these days.
But I know from doing that ifI'm in the cycle position I need
to go, and the next day I needto do something that's going to

(50:39):
do the opposite.
You know, if it's all posteriorone day, it needs to be more
anterior.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And I think that's a good point.
You just brought up, too,crossfit.
I remember when I did massagetherapy.
I'm like there's no way thatthe hyperextension and this
might piss off a lot of yourCrossFit people but I just
remember thinking like there'sno way that the hyperextension
of the wrist, like that and theway that they would, is good.
Now listen.
I think that maybe obviouslythere are some people that can
do it.
But I am just curious do thosepeople have they later realized

(51:08):
that they're hypermobile?
Have they noticed anyconnection with their health?
That seemed to be kind of likeout of nowhere.
Because I think the thing is isthat, for those of us that are
not aware that we're hypermobile, we can push ourselves to do
things that we think we'resupposed to because everybody
else is doing it and we thinkwe're doing it the right way,
but maybe the person isn'tlooking to see that we're not
doing it.

(51:28):
You know, and so we're doingall the right moves and it looks
right, but we're not using theright muscles to do it, or we're
relying on our ligaments.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I was finding like, well, I don't feel it where
you're saying I'm supposed to befeeling it because my body's
pulling up the wrong pulling adifferent way, or my hamstrings
are super tight and my hipflexors are super, you know, and
I think that that's what's sointeresting about now knowing
what I know and all about thesedifferent modalities that I've
done for myself, it's like gosh.
I wish I knew all of this when Iwas the 20 year old trader and

(51:57):
like I heard about so many moreresources that I would have been
able to like add so much morejust by understanding more of
the connective tissues.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yes, and the compensation patterns?
Right, Because that's what itwas.
You just did years ofcompensation patterns and you
just don't realize it untilyou're like what?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Even like postpartum compensation, right, and
actually that's one thing that Ithink is worth touching on too,
like postpartum, a woman's body, you know.
I mean, like I said, we have anew puppy.
I feel like I'm going throughpostpartum emotionally just not
physically, thank goodness, butyou know I've had friends that

(52:36):
have had pretty much back toback to back to back children
for years, and it's like let'stalk about exactly like, how
long, realistically, does ittake for our bodies to come back
to, like our fascia, ourconnective tissue, like all of
this like what you're talkingabout, personal experience, or
what the science says all of theabove, I think I actually match

(52:58):
what science says I think theysay somewhere between like four
and six years, and I thinkthat's probably accurate.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
So I've wondered that too.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
People are having multiple children accurate, so
I've wondered that too.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
People are having multiple children, right, and so
I've wondered that too, like Ihave not had multiple in that
period.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
So I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Like it's, you know, but they all seem to be thriving
.
It's just that I know from ahormonal standpoint and what the
body's going through and Um,you know.
Obviously that can take a tollon the body, especially when
there's um.
You know the differentemotional components and how
much is that mother being heldherself and understood.

(53:32):
I know, in my postpartumexperience, like the very fresh
postpartum experience, like Iwas flabbergasted at the sudden
lack of support.
It's like you're pregnant andyou're like so important.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
We'll do so much for you.
Everybody strangers.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
And then everybody drops off and you're like can I
get a meal?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
You know, and I think that too, and, knowing myself,
it's like I just want to giveher space and time.
And sometimes we need that.
But, do we need that?
But I think that that you knowfrom my postpartum experience I
didn't know what I needed.
Like I remember calling mygirlfriend amory and I'm like
can you just come hold him?
I don't even know like I lovehim, but I'm snug like him, but
I just need someone to hold himso I can sleep.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
And she came over and we just chit chatted the whole
time.
I don't think I need a fiveminute interrupted shower person
.
Yeah, you do, and it's like abody does too.
The body just wants somebody tosit with it.
Like I can do this.
I'm just like I need you to behere with me because it's tough
and this is like a calibrationexperience.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
So how soon after a C-section would you recommend
someone doing like the?
So they say that scar tissuework should be done like eight
weeks postpartum, but I thinkthat's for like actual massage.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I think that cranios tissue work should be done like
eight weeks postpartum, but Ithink that's for like actual
massage.
I think that craniosacral canbe done right away and would
benefit from, you know, aninternal fascial perspective
that could do so much more thanwaiting the eight weeks for, you
know, like scar tissue work,which to me like sounded like

(55:01):
the worst thing.
I was like I'm not massagingthat, I don't even want to look
at it, like I just was.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
So I wasn't expecting to have it, I'd never had a
surgery and it was like swollenand I was like I'm like the
thought of massaging this justsounds painful, like you, know.
No, thank you, I mean.
And we, I think, as we downplaywhat a brutal surgery that
really is.
Oh yeah, you gotta bounce intoit five layers of oh.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I could feel it too, because they, they didn't numb
me enough and I was like I canfeel that and they were like you
can feel that, okay, and thenthey put more on and then I
couldn't feel it.
But you know, I just felt likeimmense pressure is what it felt
like.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I mean, it's weird how the body like burst to even
an epidural like I could stillfeel that.
I don't know if it's mymetabolism or no it.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
No, it's probably hypermobility.
I'm telling you, they're evenstarting to notice that people
who are hypermobile are morelike Same with dental stuff.
Psychic and telepathic, and yes,because we're just more
sensitive.
Yeah, so I think there's a lotmore to learn when it comes to
that and to discover and talkabout.
But I always say like I feellike we are the original

(56:01):
technology and I'm not sayingthat I think that hypermobility
is like the original way weshould be, but I do think that
sensitive way of being where wedo feel at all, where we, you
know, I think that it's justthat we're so overloaded with
all these other things and we'vebeen living as a society in a
certain way for so long thatwe're like that's the norm, but

(56:23):
like I don't know that that isthe norm, I feel like our being
able to I think we're reallybreaking out at that generation,
I think so Totally, and we'redoing it in different ways.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I think we're doing it because, as parents, we're
seeing it within our children.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Like.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I had this my son just started a new school.
I think our guys started thesame day different schools,
which is cool, but they werelike a month later than everyone
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and Iwent to parent night.
I cried like four times becausethe theme behind it is, you
know, we are instead of teachersbeing instructors that are
giving information and testingon it, which creates I mean,

(56:58):
what does that do?
It creates competition withinthe structure of the room, which
, you know, everyone wants toget the best grade or whatever.
And I'm like that's such asmall and I tell my kids this
all the time such a smallmeasure of like something you
can memorize or yourintelligence, yeah.
However, if you're put in anenvironment where you are, you

(57:20):
have guides that are assistingyou into leading these
challenges and working togetheras a group and collaborating on
things.
Then you come up with theanswer or the solution as a unit
and you really learn how tothrive.
And I'm like why haven't webeen doing this?

(57:41):
This makes so much more sense,because how are you supposed to
work together and have thesynergy together and have the
sense of community if you'reconstantly competing with each
other all the time?
Right?
So I really and relying onyourself, and relying on
yourself and doing it and justand pushing away how it makes
you feel just to get to the endresult.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
That's what I was just going to say.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Right, and that's the thing it's like when we are-.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Well, Joey's doing it , so I must be able to do it.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Or we're reward-based Like well, I want the pizza
party, or I want the book,whatever the book fair, I want
this.
It's like well.
But then we lose sight of whatit is we're actually doing and
why we're doing it and that'sthe whole purpose.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I was just discussing this with someone earlier too.
But if, like, you're notactually earning it from a place
of like actually feeling, likeit's this authentic vibes and
like what is the purpose of that, it needs to have more to it,
otherwise you're probably flyingthrough it pretty quickly
because it's not giving you anytype of meaning, and I think

(58:37):
that that is a differentvibrational place that just
takes like a little, a littlebit of cycling through going
through this life to get to, ofrealizing we don't have to do it
the way that they all do it andwe can create our own way of
doing things.
We don't have to beat ourselvesinto the ground just because
that's what it looks likeeveryone else is doing to
achieve and that that'sdiscipline.
And no, how about rest andintegration and like literally

(59:01):
having space for creativity?
You know, I mean, that was abig reason why I started
painting, was that I just needed, like, this outlet of fun and
joy and it's like, yeah, it'sinteresting to have and I feel
like it's shifting in thatdirection again.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I think that we've really come to a place where,
okay, 99.9% of people aredysregulated in some sort of way
.
In some sort of way whetherit's just a drive, or maybe it's
constantly, who knows but it'slike realizing that, yes, we may
have more and we may have allof these access to everything,

(59:40):
but there's also theoverstimulation that goes with
that.
And so, getting back to I don'tknow, maybe it's just what I
follow online, but I feel likemy entire feed on all social
media is like farms and peoplewalking barefoot and people
doing soundbite.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You've curated your feed.
I love it.
I've curated my feed.
Yes, that's how it needs to be,especially the past.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Last week was a super heavy week.
I mean, not only did we startwith the full, crazy full moon,
then we had, like the 999 portal, like the release of all the
things and then all the thingsthat happened that week in
society, like we are not meantto take this all on and so
setting boundaries for yourselfon like you don't have to absorb

(01:00:20):
it all, you don't have toexpose yourself to it all.
You can put your phone away andgo put your feet in the grass
or go play with your kid in thebathtub or you know.
Just get back to the simplerways of being, like go bake
something.
You know creativity can comeout a lot of different ways.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yes, and I think that one of the most important
things to right now for a lot ofpeople, because that might seem
like they're bypassing orthey're ignoring or they're
numbing, and I think that thebest integration tool that we
can remember is that there'sthat micro and macro, and if we
can focus on one, what we'regiving our attention to is a

(01:00:55):
source of energy, right, andit's feeding something.
It's funny you go through andyou open your Instagram and you
have a feed You've curated yourfeed to be a certain way, but
some of us don't and have thisfeed of information that we're
then open without boundaries torealizing how much then that's
taking from us, from our empathy, from for things that we can't

(01:01:17):
do anything about.
Now, I understand having thatempathy and we can have that,
but I think it's reallyimportant for people to kind of
be in that Eagle's perch to seewhat's going on, but not be so
wrapped up in the situation thatwe can't use the power of what
we have for what could becreating something new, instead
that being leaked out to finishcreating what we don't want,

(01:01:41):
because we do have the power tohelp continue to create
something better, and what wecan see is allowing us to say I
don't want that and we can justfocus on what we do want in our
small grassroots your familyyour community.
What can you actually impact?
Your own inner field, yourenergetic field?
What are you putting out?

(01:02:02):
Because your helpless, hopelessfrequency is not helping?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
And it's taking from you and also, if you don't have
those things, manifest what youdo have.
Not that you have to think ofit as an envious perspective,
but like mirror neurons I wasactually just talking to my
daughter about this today mirrorneurons are real.
We have studied this a lot inmy trauma and resiliency
trainings, especially forempathetic people.
If I am constantly thinkingabout the people I want to help,

(01:02:29):
or what's wrong with people orwhat's wrong with the world,
that is all I'm going to see,that is all I'm going to feel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
It's all you're going to focus on.
I am literally going to feelsick inside.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Yes, that's what your energy is feeding.
And if you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
have gone through anything autoimmune and if you
have gone through anythingautoimmune past surgeries,
different cancer it is soimportant for you to not leak
out your energy in those waysbecause you already have areas
where it could leak easily andyou need to keep those things
protected and keep yourenergetic field, remembering

(01:03:01):
that you can have impact forpositive change that you want to
see when you're not depleted byempathetically absorbing
everything else around you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
And it really it does .
It starts in your own nervoussystem and starts with your own
mindset and like just know thatyou can take control and not
even like use the word control.
You can empower yourself tomake these changes, whether it's
something that you're doingwith your physical body or your
internal body.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
And there's a lot of power to like.
I mean, whether you sit inmeditation or you're praying
like, there is literal heartcoherence that we can affect.
If you want to be a part ofthat, I would implore people to
spend the time you know,dedicating 10, 20, 30 minutes to
that, if that's you know, andthen turning that off and moving
on, knowing that you've madeyour impact, you've put in what

(01:03:55):
you know, because that's what wecan do, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Awesome.
Oh my gosh, I feel like I couldtalk to you for another three
hours we we're just getting.
We're just getting in the goodsof things here, I know, but
thank you so much for being ontoday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
You were wonderful thank you for having me, of
course yes, I'm looking forwardto it, thank you.