October 3, 2024 • 58 mins
Ever wondered how the body holds onto emotional trauma and what it takes to release it? Discover the remarkable journey of Wanda Flores, a massage therapist with a specialization in emotional release therapy. Over the past 12 years, Wanda has been a beacon of holistic healing at Mind Body Medicine in Sarasota, blending traditional Western Medicine with holistic practices. This episode sheds light on the collaborative environment at Mind Body Medicine and dives into the importance of addressing both emotional and physical well-being for comprehensive healing.
Respecting boundaries is more than a protocol—it's a crucial element of trust in therapeutic settings. Wanda shares a poignant personal story of a time when her own boundaries were crossed, highlighting the trauma response that can ensue. This conversation underscores the delicate yet essential balance between encouraging clients to face challenging work and maintaining their set limits, advocating for mindful and respectful bodywork practices. The importance of trust, communication, and ensuring safety and comfort in therapy is a recurrent theme throughout our discussion.
Experience the profound emotional and physical benefits of holistic healing as Wanda recounts transformative stories from her practice, including a touching moment with a 90-year-old woman releasing childhood trauma. We discuss the synergy of combining massage therapy with acupuncture, managing severe inflammation and food allergies, and the broader definition of success that includes rest, intentional time with loved ones, and nurturing our mind, body, and spirit. Join us for this inspiring episode that explores the healing power of mind-body medicine and redefines what it means to truly thrive.
Thank you for joining me today. Please know that this podcast and the information shared is not to replace or supplement any mental health or personal wellness modalities provided by practitioners. It’s simply me, sharing my personal experiences and I appreciate you respecting and honoring my story and my guests. If something touched your heart please feel free to like, share and subscribe. Have a beautiful day full of gratitude, compassion and unconditional love.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of
Crystal Clear.
I have a wonderful guest ontoday, ms Wanda Florez, and
Wanda is a massage therapist,but she really specializes in
helping you release some of theemotional aspects that can get
trapped in the body and I've hada few experiences with her work
(00:22):
and I have to say it's it'sreally special.
So thank you so much for beingon today, wanda.
Thank you, I'm excited for this.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I really am.
Yeah, I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I mean, when you said you've never done anything like
this.
I was like oh well, wow.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, perfect, this is great.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You know, and we met, I don't even know how long ago
now, six, eight months agoprobably at a ladies nurture and
network event and just kind ofkicked it off from there.
You joined one of my retreatsand, um, yeah, it was just great
synergy and um, it's alwaysenlightening to and like fills
(01:00):
me up to meet other people inthese transitional healing
spaces and I feel like onceyou're open to that, you really
understand, like what thatperson's healing about
themselves and also their desireto help others heal as well.
And so I would love if you couldjust kind of give us an
overview of you know where youare now and kind of what's led
(01:25):
up to that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, so, wow, okay.
So an overview of where I amnow I am working, like, my title
is a massage therapist.
I'm a licensed massagetherapist.
That's what gives me thelicense to touch and that like
space that I, that's the, that'sthe box I work in, right, but
what I really do in that space,like you said, is really helping
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people connect to theiremotions and I've really had
some beautiful connective piecesthat have brought me to the
place that I am and I look atthe whole thing that's brought
me to this and it's such ajourney.
I mean we could be here for aday to talk about all of those
pieces, or a book.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Exactly, definitely, and it's been a journey of
especially the last 12 years orso that's really brought me to
here, working with othermodalities, other practitioners,
to really try to help peopleheal really is what it's about.
(02:29):
Helping people heal, helpingpeople connect to the traumas
that they've run from umcreating a safe space that
people feel seen and lovedenough that they can really go
into those spaces that they'venot been able to process at
their own stuff, and also tryingto, like make sure that I'm not
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stepping into spaces that Idon't belong, that I'm not
qualified to do, which is aninteresting piece and I love
that.
Like right now, where I'm at isI feel like I'm part of a
network, a team that I get to bein that space where I don't
feel like how do I help thisperson get where they need to go
(03:10):
without going into places?
I'm not trained and qualified,so that's a new space for me and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I love it.
It's a really awesome theMindBody Medicine and it's a
beautiful facility Um you knowit's in the.
Midwest closet here in Sarasota.
But you walk in and the secondyou walk into the space it's
like, oh wow, this is tranquil,this is awesome.
There's like a Zinden librarywhere you can go and just hang
(03:40):
out and read books.
There is this, you know, acrystal shop which has really
beautiful, unique pieces andthere's a ton of different
practitioners there.
You know different acupuncture,iv therapy, psychotherapy,
hypnotherapy, you know.
Give us a little overview ofwhat the space is like and what
I find personally is so uniqueabout it is because it's a mix
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of holistic and Western medicineand I love that.
The psychologists andpsychiatrists there are still
very much into the holisticpiece of let's not medicate you.
Let's get to the root.
Let's understand where theenergy blockage is.
And I feel like all of youdifferent practitioners there
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have a very special, unique giftthat you bring to enhance that.
So, like you said, even if it'ssomething that you're not
specialized, but guess what, twodoors down there's a person for
you Exactly.
And that's just kind of a veryall-encompassing spot and, to be
honest, if I had the need for aspot like that, would be my
place.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It is.
It has been the greatest gift,like recently, for me to be part
of that it's, and I feel so.
There are so many elements toit.
One is what you see andexperience when you step in is
that, like one of my clientstells me, when she walks in it
feels like a warm hug, like itjust.
There's this sense oftranquility, a sense of just
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presence.
There's a quietness, even whenit gets busy there's a sense of
quietness.
I love the courtyard with thefountains there it's just it's
just really there's somethingspecial about it and it's it's
rooted.
It started with the, so the,the business name there is
MindBodyMedicine, and I love thefact that I get to, as a
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practitioner, come in and rent aspace and I get to have my own
business.
But there's this collaborativepiece, right, and it's an
interesting thing because youlook at different business
models and it's kind of a newpiece of like we're not
financially tied together otherthan the fact that I rent a
space there.
So we have all of thisconnectivity, referral from one
(05:56):
person to another, like I thinkthis is the person that can help
you with your next piece andthere's no financial ties, right
.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So there's no selling , it's no system.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's no selling.
We are all genuinely justtrying to help people the best
that we know how to help themget well.
But, dr Sylvester, he's thepsychotherapist there and or
he's the psychiatrist there.
He's the psychiatrist, and sohe brings just a really
tremendous element and a lot ofintention to that Eastern
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Western piece.
Right, that that mindful likeand like, looking at the whole
pieces.
Where's where is it blocked?
Is this?
Is this really a trauma basedthing?
Is this a hormonal disruptionthat's happening?
Is there, like he does workwith people dealing with mold
toxicity, dealing with heavymetals, dealing, like he does
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lots of blood work, he looks atvitamin levels, he looks at all
of these different pieces.
So he's looking at theemotional pieces, he's looking
at the chemistry pieces and he'slooking at the psychology, the
traditional psychological pieces, and looking for all the tools
that he possibly can to helppeople and um he, along with um,
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a psychotherapist and umsomeone who does neurofeedback
and breath work, anacupuncturist, and she's so much
more than an acupuncturist.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I know I feel the same about my functional
medicine, doctor Right.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And another massage therapist together, actually for
years before they had the space, before before they had the
facility, um to work doing thiscollaborative work.
That's really cool.
It's actually bringing multiplepractitioners into the same
room at the same time workingwith a patient and it develops
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this dynamic of incredible.
I've experienced it.
I've had the tremendous honorof being invited into working
with them um, training into whatthey do and now getting to be
able to work with them on aregular basis where we'll have
um.
We have people that I may bedoing elements of massage
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therapy while thepsychotherapist is in the room
and doing talk therapy, and wemay even have neurofeedback
happening at the same time andor we may be having acupuncture
happening at the same time andreally working using all of
those tools to dive deep so thatpeople can really access spaces
that are hard to access Right,because they've spent their
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whole life blocking them off andhaving the support there from
different avenues.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And the level of comfort to be like okay, this is
overwhelming.
I think I want to stick withthese two today.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And I love that you guys create such a comfortable,
warm dynamic that it's really upto the person yes, to choose
what they want to bring intotheir circle and what they want
to bring into their lives, andthat may sound very overwhelming
.
I've done all of thosedifferent things I've never done
them all together.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So I'm sitting here like oh no, and most of us, when
we first try it, are terrified.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
No feedback and massage at the same time and
like what, which is great, so Ithat's just something very
special, though it is.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
it really is so special and it creates this
dynamic of of of like a familyteam working together, because
the amount of trust we have tobuild with each other is huge.
One of the pieces that we do inorder to work in that dynamic
is we have to be willing to geton the table and receive work
from each other so we canexperience it A hundred percent,
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helps them walk through thatand pays very much attention to
what are their comfort levelsand is not going to push them to
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do things that doesn't seemlike it's actually what they're
ready to do.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Correct Right, because the last thing you want
to do is re-traumatize someone.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
As someone, who's recovered from PTSD.
I could imagine at this part ofmy journey I would be like,
okay, all the things please.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, but I could imagine in the beginning it was
such a vulnerable space.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Like okay, I'm going to put my foot in the door on
this one and I'm going to put myfoot in like okay, like a ween
away in, and I'm assumingthere's a protocol to get to
that point, to where they haveeveryone there.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's absolutely right, almost like a steps
program that they have to take.
Yeah, so, basically, they'regoing to do an initial
interaction with thepsychotherapist and they're
going to have at least one orseveral sessions with the
psychotherapist until thepsychotherapist and that
individual is on the same page,to make sure that they know what
they're ready for movingforward.
(11:01):
They're also usually going tohave a session with each of the
practitioners before they gointo combined sessions.
Okay, right, not always, butfrequently, sometimes.
So, like for myself as amassage therapist, I can speak
to what I've experienced.
Sometimes someone will havetrauma related to touch right,
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so, or the absence of touchRight, and so, as soon as like,
it can be the most basic, youknow, hands on the shoulder and
just being there, creating andnurturing space.
That's actually a lot of what Ido, in that I'm following the
energy, I'm paying attention towhere things are being held in
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the body.
But it's also again thatincredible mindfulness, one of
knowing finding out beforehandhow comfortable this person is
with touch, with massage therapy.
Is this a very familiar,comfortable space, isn't it?
If there's fear around it,making sure that I ask for
permission before I touch adifferent area of the body,
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before I touch their stomach,before I touch a foot, to make
sure that they know that that'swhere I'm going, that they are
empowered.
Right, that they're empoweredand that they're comfortable,
that they get to steer and be incontrol.
It's really.
It's actually something I'vebecome aware of very recently is
how much, when it comes tothese therapies, it's such a
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balancing piece of finding thatspace of making someone feel so
empowered and so in control thatthey can trust themselves to
surrender because they feel thatsafe, and how much is so.
It's this like this surrenderspace, because that's what needs
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to happen for healing to happenis a sense of surrender.
But that only happens when youfeel like you are in an element
of control, right, right, andwhen you feel like you're ready
for it, I think, and that youcan accept that this is what
needs to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yes, because I think when we try to really quote
control we take ourselves out ofthat.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And I know what you mean by control.
I know what you meant bycontrol.
So, just for the listeners outthere, don't try to control and
surrender Right.
Exactly about this.
Don't try to control andsurrender Right exactly.
But this is what I ran intoright.
As a therapist, I recentlyreceived therapy massage therapy
where I went into the space andI said this is and it had to do
with fertility pieces formyself, where I'm at and what I
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know my goals are and what Iknew I wanted out of that space.
And I went into this space andI said please.
Initially I'm like I need youto know, please don't do any
deep work on my sacral area.
There are points there that Idon't want stimulated because of
where I am Right, what'shappening right now.
I know it would feel good, butI'm asking you to please, not
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because of what my goals are andwhat I'm trying to accomplish
Right and where things are at inmy life.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And good for you for even knowing that Right, because
most people don't really knowto even say that, right, and
that's a whole thing too right.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But I felt like I came in and I communicated that
very clearly and the therapistimmediately wanted to say, well,
what about this?
Like nope, that's stimulationto those areas.
I really don't want that, Right.
Okay, well, I might try some,something else.
But let's get started.
And this particularpractitioner was working.
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This was a traumatic thing forme recently.
Okay, so they were working andthey basically worked past my
guard and kept trying to go intothat space until I gave in.
And I should have, as someonewho knows who's a massage
therapist and knows all of thesethings, I should have turned
and said if you can't not workthis area, the session is over.
(15:02):
Like I'm getting up, this isdone, and yet I didn't find that
space to do it.
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And then, as you get into that space and it's so
vulnerable it's so and youalmost freeze it's almost like a
trauma response of okay, I'mpretty sure I.
It almost makes you have thatself-doubt Like didn't I talk
about this, like didn't I tellyou I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So, as a practitioner , it's super, super important to
listen and to pay attention andto honor those spaces and to
make sure that the person who'sgetting on my table in a
vulnerable space that I'mfinding and establishing as many
of the pieces even if they havea hard time verbalizing it and
really tuning in and finding outwhat their pieces are and
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making sure that they're feelingsafe enough, one to honor
themselves, but also that I'mmaking sure that I'm protecting
the boundaries that they'resetting Right.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right, that's huge, and that's a huge thing.
Yeah For you to even I meananyone going into a situation
like this understanding thatwhen someone's communicating
with you, they're trying to setboundaries.
Yes, yes no matter what it islike if someone's communicating
with you, they're either settingboundaries or opening
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themselves up to like.
Be open, and especially when itcomes to body work, whether it
was yeah, right, and we do hold.
And so how do you feel now,after?
(16:53):
If you don't mind me asking howrecent was that?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
experience.
It was like a month ago.
Oh, wow, okay, so how?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
have you managed to, both as a practitioner and as
the person who is receiving thework?
How have you really managed toovercome that?
Because that's a big deal.
It is a big deal Because Iwould think for me, I would
almost be timid in my ownpractice because I wouldn't want
to, even though you knowknowingly, I trust myself but
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knowing like I would just behypersensitive, I think, to
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So.
So a couple of pieces play intothat.
One is like I've done this workfor like 10 years now and so
there's an element that I'verealized like I've made mistakes
at different times and I've hadto wrestle with that myself and
being and like allowing thatspace for another practitioner
to make mistakes.
Um, I did follow up with aconversation with that
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practitioner and sat down andtalked to them until they
finally heard me Good, whichfelt like I was like it felt
hard to make them hear me.
And I didn't let it go until Ifelt like they did Good and that
was a huge piece.
That actually was a big piecein my own personal healing as
well.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I was going to say because that's your personal
power, right, well, that's yourpersonal power and that's that
solar plexus, that's that likeyou know being able to keep that
strong core and foundation foryourself is verbalizing.
Hey, you may not want to hearthis, but this is how I felt.
Yes, and that's hard for people.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's what it is, and so then, on the flip side,
when it comes to my own practice, it was just a reminder and
it's something that I like tobelieve that I'm pretty mindful
of anyway.
But it was a reminder to stepback and go like is there anyone
in my practice that, at anylevel, I'm pressuring them to go
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into a space that they're?
That's crossing theirboundaries, right?
Right, and it's an interestingthing, because the type of work
that I do I do a lot of fasciawork it's stinking uncomfortable
, right, because we're oftenright, I know I know we're a
little sadistic that way.
Right, all the deep work.
But with fascia work which isoften what I'm working in, which
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is that connective tissue therecan frequently be a level of
physical pain, so that'suncomfortable.
Some people aren't ready forthat, and I really try to be
like mindful and respectful andlike when someone's not ready
for it, pull back.
Mindful and respectful and likewhen someone's not ready for it
, pull back.
I may try to educate them andbe like if this is like, if
you're interested, we can trythat, but I really like, yeah,
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try to be very respectful ofthat.
It's an interesting balance,though to invite people into
doing things that are hard and,at the same time, maintaining
and really respecting andhonoring their boundaries.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right and I think that, because of the specific
work that you do, I think it'svery important for people to
understand that is beneficialand for those of you out, there
who aren't sure.
So you have your muscle, thenyou have your fascia, then you
have your skin.
So it's that deep, it's almostlike everyone's eating a raw
chicken.
It's like that filmy stuffthat's in deep.
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It's almost like you know,everyone's seeing like a raw
chicken.
It's like that filmy stuffthat's out in between and it's
that connective tissue.
So, for example, all of usbetween our shoulder blades I'm
sure have really you know tightfascia on our IT bands which are
the outsides of our thighs.
You know another spot that mostpeople have really tight fascia
, also lower back.
So those are really areas thatyou also hold, especially
between the shoulder blades,which is your heart chakra and
your lower back which is yoursacral chakra.
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Those are areas that we can holda lot of trauma in our hips, so
it's really important for theemotional release piece for what
you do to understand that youcan stretch the muscle and you
could rub the skin, but ifyou're not really releasing that
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in-between layer, you're notgoing to get the results.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Exactly.
You're not going to get thephysical results and you're not
going to get the emotionalresults, right.
Right, so that's that permanentrelief, exactly, you know, and
it's that it's that thing thatchanges our lives Right, which
is such a a piece.
That's amazing.
It's such an amazing piece, andso I do a fair amount of work
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with the fascia piece, and thenI do a fair amount of work with
just following where theemotions, the tension is being
held in the body right at themoment.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, You're feel free to use me as an example if
you want.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You just worked on me , I know right.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, and I'm happy to share what I was working
through, so I feel like I alwayslove to give personal examples.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So I just saw you what.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Monday Okay, so a couple of days ago, yes.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So well, I'll let you share because you got to, you
got to experience it Right, soI'll let you share what your
experience was.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So I've seen one a few times now.
This time in particular, I wascoming off of being very ill,
like I had strep throat for acouple of weeks, had some other
gastrointestinal stuff going on.
I'm just like waves of fatigue.
I can just feel like I'mwearing thin, which, in
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hindsight and foresight, hasallowed me to really prioritize
myself, my life and my calendarand my family.
So it's allowed me to take a, a.
When you're sick, it's easy tosay, hey, you know, I'm sick, I
have to cancel this.
However, during this period ofme being sick cause I've never
been the sick before in my lifeI was able to be like you know
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what.
I need to just put this onpause Like this.
This, this space was great for alittle while, but now I'm
moving into a new chapter and Iswear to you, I went to Sedona
for the spring.
It was a ladies retreat, but onthe spring equinox, I did a
cacao ceremony.
It was super impactful for me.
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We released a lot of the darkand old patterns and
inflammation and generationalstuff and from the quote serpent
world, which is like the lowerworld, and I did an offering of
tobacco um in a little bowl andthen um.
We worked on, like the Puma,which is like your, your current
state, so like your active body, like your manifest, or your
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creator, which is like the meright now.
And then, um, the offering forthat was a cacao.
So I had to, like take a biteof pizza cacao and put it in
this offering bowl.
And then the third one was theworld of spirit and realm and,
you know, connecting to yourintuition and your higher self.
And you know it was reallyintense and the lady was amazing
.
We frothed the cacao and eachtime we did one of the levels,
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you know I would hold the bottomof the cup in my left hand the
little cacao is almost in like alittle shot glass in the palm
of my hand and put my right palmon.
So it was a heart opening, so itwould like, receive through the
left, go through the heart andgive back with the right.
And so each time, through eachelement, I would, you know,
release something, I wouldmanifest something, I would
connect somewhere.
Anyway, so just to back it upand give some backstory about
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this whole experience I had.
So that was the 21st, literallyequinox.
The next day in Sedona, I washiking and all the rest of the
ladies were coming that day andI just started to feel kind of
feverish, like you know, yourbody gets chills and kind of run
down and I'm like, oh, you know, my family had been sick a
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couple weeks prior, but I didn'treally think much of it and you
know I got an IV before I left.
I felt pretty good.
I did have like a 23 hour travelday on the spring Equinox day,
but I was like, okay, I'm goingto go rest.
And I went to sleep.
I woke up from a nap and I wasout for the rest of the weekend.
I honestly believe I sparkedsomething.
It was going to Sedona, it wasdoing this ceremony, it was
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releasing.
It literally allowed me tocompletely release and purge
everything.
Like I had 104 fever for fourdays.
I got to the point where Icouldn't swallow because I was
sick with strep.
But I'm like the whole time.
I'm like, well, I feel like I'mtalking my truth, I feel like
I'm being heard.
You know, and there were somethings in the retreat that I
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just kind of it allowed me torecluse and be in my own space
and also rest like I wouldn'thave been able to rest around my
family.
So that was the week prior tocoming to see you so.
I really just allowed myself tomake some changes.
I've been teaching and trainingat Shapes early in the mornings
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and since this whole timechange I'm like I can't.
I just can't do it, andunderstanding I had this going
on with my health, it's like,well, that makes sense.
I need to take some time awayfrom that.
It was a great chapter.
I think I need to slow down andjust have some more slow,
intentional mornings for myselfand my health and my adrenals,
you know.
So this is all leading up tocoming to see you.
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I go to see you and I alwayslove that you like start on my
feet.
I think that's always reallyfun and you work your way up my
legs, which my legs have always,you know, really bared the
weight of life.
And I remember the first time Iever saw you actually for your
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work, you were like what haveyou been running from?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And I'm like why does everyone ask me that?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I remember being 15 years old and coming back so
sweaty and my family would belike what are you running from
in college?
What are you training for?
What are you running from?
And I'm like life, okay, I'mjust running.
At this point in my life Idon't even run that much, but
you felt that you were able tofeel that and I'm like you know
what I'm.
Actually.
I've stopped running and I'mfacing more, but for years and
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years and years, I wasconstantly running.
I was running from my thoughts.
I was running from my past.
I was running from my childhood.
I was running from mostly myown thoughts, and now it's like
I'm in a space to face them, butthere's still some residual
volume in there that needs to bereleased.
So when you were working on me,you even said your right leg is
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still really tight.
You still have a lot to releaseand let go, and I'm like my
hips have been kind of offbalance.
And what are hips?
Hips are our stability.
It's usually the right side,which is your masculine side,
which is that I'm going to takecare of myself, I'm going to be
successful, I'm going to be fine, I'm going to.
You know, I'm going to do allthe things, the left side's
feminine side.
So I feel like any injury I'veever had has always been on my
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right side, believe it or not, Ibelieve it, you know.
And then, when you were workingon the piece, we did work on my
digestive system.
Yes, working on the piece, wedid work on my digestive system.
Yes, like we had done the timeprior.
Yes, yes, and you know, itreally allowed things to start
moving in the way they weresupposed to be moving.
Yes, and.
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I've always had.
I felt like been very healthy,especially digestively, but I
was suffering from like somecrazy inflammation for a while
and like obviously finding out Iwas allergic to eggs and eating
them every day wasn't a goodthing.
But I feel like there's anemotional piece to that too.
Yes, I know there was.
So being in Sedona, having thatfever and allowing it to just
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burn, I mean I was burning 104through ibuprofen, like I was
taking 600, 800 milligrams ofibuprofen, but my body needed to
purge it and I have not feltinflamed since.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Isn't that amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It is.
So it's like I was meant to getsick.
I was meant to go through thatpurging phase and recalibrate,
to get back to this space towhere I can say, okay, I need to
reset.
And since then I've takenmyself out of every group chat
that I'm in because I just it'stoo much Like love my friends,
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but I can speak to themindividually.
Um, except for the one with myhusband and my kids, we keep
that one, but um you know I've.
I've been able to clear off somebig things on my calendar, like
early mornings, and haverestful mornings, because I was
realizing, you know, with myadrenal stuff, but it was also
not filling me up.
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I felt like it was filling meup but I was really giving a lot
on top of all the other thingsgoing on.
(29:33):
So you know, when you got to myneck and working on my neck and
things like that, it was just,it was a crazy release.
So, from your perspective, foreverything, I just talked about
just to give some background onmy own experience.
what, as a practitioner, did youfeel during that session?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
If you remember, because I know sometimes it's
hard to- I know there's a lot oftrying to remember, because I
make it a point, I make it anintention to not take those
things with me.
Occasionally there will besomething that's like cause I've
learned so much from my, frommy clients, I have learned so
much from the people I work with.
That's, that's why and how I amthe practitioner I am today is
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by learning from my clients.
Um, so there are definitelytimes that I'm like, oh, my
goodness, that is like burned inmy memory, um, but in general I
try to make it a point not totry to like remember and carry
things Um, but yes, I doremember quite a bit and I
remember, like that whole sortof that sense of of almost that
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burning that left even apigmentation, um, on your throat
area, right Especially justbelow your neck, but into that
throat chakra space and that,yeah, the releases in the neck
of like being able to like stateyour space.
And this is where, so often,what I feel and experience and
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you're no different with thatwhat I feel and experience in
that is, I will feel in my ownof the stomach or sort of that,
and so that's frequently whatI'm doing, that's how I'm
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finding and following is becauseI'll feel it in my own body,
which can freak some people outthat idea 100% and honestly,
when I first moved to Sarasota,I went to Florida College of
Natural Health and did theneuromuscular massage program
and that's what freaked me outand I'm like I can never do
massage for the public.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Did the neuromuscular massage program and that's what
freaked me out and I'm like Ican never do massage for the
public because in clinicals Icould feel what was going on
with people, which was great.
And I felt like it came verynaturally to me, but I mean at
21 years old, I was like I don'tknow what to do with this, I
don't know how to protect my ownenergy and I didn't know back
then I wasn't as knowledgeablewith all of this as I am now, so
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I just have a great respect forbody workers or any
practitioner that does hands-onwork, because it is an energy
exchange.
I mean it is.
It's a conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh, it is Right.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You walk into a room, you have an energy exchange
without even saying a word, muchless putting your hands on
someone or someone being open toreceive, and it's just really
beautiful, amazing work that youdo and I really highly suggest
if you're a holisticpractitioner and you're really
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looking for a space for yourselfhighly recommend the mind body
medicine.
So much you know you arelooking to do more of this deep
work for yourself.
I like recommend all thepractitioners there.
And where can we find that?
Is it mind body medicine?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
mind, mind body.
Medicine of Florida.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Okay, mind body medicine of Florida.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yes, there is another mind body medicine that's not
in Florida.
This is mind body medicine ofFlorida.
Okay, Um so mind body medicinethat's not in florida, this is
mind body medicine of florida.
Okay, um, so mind body medicineof florida is.
And the resources they're ontheir web page.
That's gonna have, I believe.
You know I've hardly checkedout the website itself, but I
believe that'll have connectionsto and links to most of the
practitioners in the building.
There are so many reallywonderful practitioners from
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family therapists,psychotherapists, trauma work.
We're doing the.
What we call that collaborativepiece is the, what we call the
SST synchronized synergistictherapy and that's specifically
really looking at working withtrauma and, in the long run,
what we're hoping to do is bringand do more of that.
Most of the practitioners whoare doing that.
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It would be our long-termvision to be do more of that.
Most of the practitioners whoare doing that.
It would be our long-termvision to be doing more of that,
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And then, what about yourself, for myself, for my?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
services.
Yeah, so that's actually I'mshifting less into from the
cause.
I used to do a lot of that likephysical corrective.
I hurt my shoulder.
Can you help me fix it?
Not that I don't do any of thatanymore, but I really am doing
so much of that emotional piece,helping people tie into the
emotion, connect into theemotions held in their body.
I had recently just one of themost precious moments where I
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had a lady on my table.
She's in her nineties and sheherself has been a a therapist
her whole life, so she knows howto do the work um, but we were
doing work that took hermemories right back into her
childhood that she was able torelease.
And next thing I know I havethis beautiful woman in her 90s
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sobbing in arms, releasing allof this childhood trauma that's
affecting her ability to um facethe changes of of her life.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Right, which led to her being a healer.
However, still have that torelease.
Yes, and like there's, there'ssomething.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It just it's one of the most precious gifts for me
to be able to work with anyoneand, like I get the same
excitement working with youngpeople as well, because I work
with, I say, kids in their 20s.
I've worked with every age inbetween, but there was something
really beautiful and preciousabout that that felt like a
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cycle.
That's just such a gift.
It's such, um, I feel like Ihave received a gift and, while
other people get to benefit fromit, but like I really feel like
the gift is for me that I getto be part of people's healing
journeys, right like thathealing for you as well.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's so healing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's so rich and so beautiful and like it's, it is
hard.
I'm so in love with it.
I'm so in love with it, like itreally um, it's hard to explain
in my eyes.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I love it as I think about it yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's.
It's such a.
I mean, how many people in thisworld really feel like they
have found what they aresupposed to be doing, their
purpose, what they specificallyhave been designed to do, what
their intention is to do andaccomplish here, and get to walk
in it in their 30s, right Likeit's such a?
(36:23):
I feel so honored and soprivileged to be able to walk in
that, and it was indeed ajourney to get there.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And so do you mind sharing a little bit about that
journey?
Yeah, absolutely, and how youkind of?
What led you to this?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
space.
Yeah, so I had childhood trauma, like many, many of us, most of
all of us, right, exactly,exactly, and I grew up in a
culture it was a really asubculture um, that was
religious but also, um, I likereally held on to a lot of
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spaces that I went into, a spaceof, of control, like many of us
right.
How do I make sure that nothingbad ever happens to me again?
I have to be good enough, Ihave to fit all the boxes.
Perfectionist, perfectionist andyes, right Performance, right
Earning love, earning affection,all of those pieces.
And I thought I had thingspretty figured out and I went on
(37:18):
a trip when I was 25 that wasdesigned to make people it was
for women, it was a canoe tripand it was designed to make us
kind of was for women, it was acanoe trip and it was designed
to make us kind of face ourstuff and I thought I was in a
good space.
I thought this was going to bea breeze.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
We all go into those spaces like that, like, oh right
, this is going to be a breeze.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And it turned my world upside down and I realized
that I was really hiding fromso much.
I was really hiding from somuch so I jumped deep into my
own trauma at that point andworking through my own stuff
(37:55):
working with counselors and or acounselor and it actually took
me out of what, at that point,was my dream job and I had no
idea what in the world I wantedto do.
I thought I wanted to go to artschool.
I had always been good atgiving back rubs.
I'd never like yourself like Iwas.
Like no, I can't do massage fora living, like people had told
me.
Like you should go to schoolfor this no-transcript and then
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I can use that to pay my waythrough art school Absolutely
fell in love with massagetherapy and found my passion and
what happened actually cause Iwas still in a lot of working
through my own trauma as myclassmates were working on me.
I would have a lot ofconnections to memories, right.
So they would work on somethingand it would bring up a memory
and I would recognize how muchthe tension I was holding there
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was connected to a specifictrauma, a specific piece.
And so that was my beginningjourney and then over the years
I was at the get-go fairlyintuitive.
I was the get-go fairlyintuitive and thankfully I had a
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hands-on instructor who sawthat and really encouraged me in
it.
I still had a lot of blocks, alot, lot, lot of years and it
was actually um was after.
I had not intentionally steppedaway from massage, but I needed
to.
I needed to manage my mom'sbakery for several years and um
to step in for her so she couldtake care of some family things.
So I was doing massage therapyvery part time.
But during those couple of yearsI was growing so much
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spiritually and working througha lot of my own emotional,
spiritual stuff and when I stepback into it things started
happening as in I started tofeel more.
I started to be so much moreaware.
And see, I often say this workfound me because what happened
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is what my clients wereexperiencing with my work was
beyond what I even was aware ofwas happening.
So they would come back to meand tell me how their whole life
had changed and with thismassage where, like, we had
released their you know stomachadhesions and like that and and
she was coming back to me andsaying I didn't for the first
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time able to set boundaries withmy boyfriend and I'm actually
like just holding space and ableto voice and like her whole
world had changed Right and I'mgetting exposed with it.
I know I'm chilly too and I wasdumbfounded that like so much
was happening that I wasn't evenaware of happening.
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So that's another piece.
Again, I've learned so muchfrom my clients and that's been
from that point to where I amnow has so much been by working
with people, whether I've had acouple of other like massage
therapists or differentpractitioners come into my life.
Adrienne Sundberg she's theacupuncturist at MindModdy
(41:30):
Medicine and I met her and we'veworked on each other for a
little over a year now and she'sbeen really just.
She's so lovely in her reallysubtle ways just really helped
me to like, recognize and ownthe work that I do and what and
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um, what I, what I, what happenswhen I work on people.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right, well, and also too, if you're doing
acupuncture, I'm a firm believerthat that does release
blockages.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh, so much.
You know, we hint on that inmassage school like, you
understand the meridians, youunderstand the.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Chinese medicine, but not the way that that they are
able to really implement itwhich I think it's such a great
combination like actually, whenI went to see the other day, I
went to acupuncture afterwardsright, and I felt so clear and
just so yes, like everything wasflowing again yes, because we
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have those energy blockages, wehave that g blockage, we have
that, um, you know.
so just adding in the differentmodalities, and I didn't like
this.
The other day, when I was sickand I took my dog's medication
by accident, I explained topeople like you know, there's a
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time and a place for everything,like I think me also.
Getting sick this last timereally opened my eyes too,
because I think I had becomepretty closed off to Western
medicine in a couple of ways,like just over the craziness
that's happened the past fiveyears in the world.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It's easy, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know I was kind of anti-antibiotic like.
I'm not taking that medicationand I'm like, okay, my throat's
closing.
I need to get all into my kids.
I will take all the antibiotics, yes, and it has its place.
So it gave me a new foundrespect in this space that I'm
in to honor both and theycompliment each other.
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And if I break my arm I'm notgoing to pour honey and lavender
on it.
I'm going to go to get a castand I'm going to get an
orthopedic doctor, so you know.
So it was really eyeopening tome and I and honestly, I hadn't
realized how closed off I hadgotten.
And so it's always thoseopportunities that come to you.
Yes, that's like wow.
(43:45):
All of this combined can helpus go forward.
And it's, and I think thatthat's just so important for
people to understand.
Just stay open.
Like I understand, you'retrained in one thing, and that's
fantastic, but let's not alwaysmedicate.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yes, maybe there's a route.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Maybe there's like a holistic way to this too.
And it's the combination ofthose two.
Like, yes, where some peoplemay need medications to help
their anxiety or depression ortheir chemical imbalances,
because those are real, like thechemistry behind life and
hormones and everything is real.
However, there's somethingdriving the reason for the
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imbalance.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
And.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I've just used myself as a science experiment my
entire life and, you know,understood like wow, I can
balance my hormones by takingout random things like the kind
of toothpaste that I use,alcohol, caffeine and other
things that I did to maketransitional changes in my world
, any kind of neurotoxins andthat's actually something that
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scares me at this point in timeis we've really normalized
neurotoxins in a way that Idon't feel like people are going
to understand what they'redoing to us long-term and by
neurotoxins, things like Botoxand Dysport and fillers and to
each their own.
I'm not judging.
I've dabbled in a bit of itbefore my son was born, but I
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can tell you I definitely thinkthat it contributed to my
thyroid issue.
I definitely believe that itcontributed to some hormonal
imbalances I was having, becausewe just don't know the
long-term effects, Because we'rethat generation that's trying
it all out and it's like it's atemporary fix, like, for example
, when I was in college.
I went to the freaking tanningbed all the time Like hello
(45:34):
sister, like that's why youended up with melanoma when you
were 27.
But I didn't care at the time.
So I think my you know big partof this journey too is just to
educate people like do yourresearch and whatever that means
for you.
Like, again, no judgment toeach their own, whatever they
choose to do with their body,but putting out different
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modalities and different ways toeducate yourself on ways that
you can heal and understandingtoo.
From my perspective, sometimesI think I have a hard time with
people that have no interest inhealing whatsoever.
And that's okay and again, toeach their own.
But I don't think you can be mypeople Right.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Well, and actually so , as a massage therapist like
even outside of likerelationship space.
As a massage therapist, I havepeople come to me and what
they're looking for isn't what Ido, right, like, not that.
It's not that I can't do whatthey're looking for, but it's
not in my, my like, that's notmy specialty, right?
And so when someone's cominglooking for something that's not
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what I'm doing, I'm reallygoing to encourage them to go
elsewhere, right, because, one,my calendar is pretty full and I
want space for all the peoplewho want what I can do, right,
what they can't get with anothermassage therapist or have a
hard time finding a massagetherapist that they can get that
with.
And also, I don't want to spendmy energy doing the things that
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I'm not passionate about.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Right and that's just it.
And I run into the same thing.
People are like well,empowerment and transformation
coaching, I need that, and thenI'll do consultation and out of
consultation, I'll be honest andbe like you know.
I really feel like you know.
There I have several otherresources that you might want to
do first, before we get here oralongside of it or you know,
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because my, I think my whole,just one of my purposes in life
is to be able to connect peopleto the appropriate resources.
It doesn't have to be me.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
I don't have an ego like that.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I don't need and want all the clients.
I want people to get what'sbest for them.
Whatever practitioner works foryou and works for me may not
work for you, and that's okay,but here are the library of
resources and I just want peopleto understand that it's out
there.
And no matter what you'restruggling with.
(47:59):
No matter what you're goingthrough, there are resources out
there for you so many.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh, my goodness, here in Sarasota we're so blessed,
we're so fortunate, so blessedwith so many resources.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
And I was actually in Sedona this last time.
I was, like you know, Sedona isreally beautiful, but we have a
special place here.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
We do.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Like, yes, they have healing vortexes in the
mountains.
I love them, but we really.
It really gave me a biggersense of gratitude for the
amount of resources and holisticresources and just really
well-renowned, you know, westernmedicine, eastern medicine, all
the different encompassing mind, body, spirit full circle
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connection places here.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
There is such a beautiful abundance of it here,
it really it makes me so happy.
Me too Like see so much of thishappening here.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Absolutely, and it's funny when you're like you know
this, like I have you for theemotional release happening here
, absolutely.
And it's funny when you're likeyou know this, like I have you
for the emotional release, Ihave, you know, my girlfriend
Angie, who's like the I'm goingto tie massage you, pull you out
, do the ultrasound.
I have my girlfriend Nani,who's my massage therapist,
who's like the deep water anddoes all the deep work you know.
I have, like you know, I havethe OM shop, which is like my
quantum massage readings andenergy release and it's just
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really interesting to havedifferent people, you see,
during different times thatworks for you, and that's
another thing I want to remindpeople like what works for you
this week may not be what youneed next.
That is so true, you know it maynot be what you needed last
week, you know so be open tobroadening the horizons and
going with the flow andunderstanding that it's really
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about the flow and and beingself-aware enough and slowing
down to be self-aware enough tounderstand what is it that I
need right now.
Yeah, and just like these pastcouple of weeks have been like
you know what, what I need rightnow is to slow down.
Yes, yes, you know, and thewakeup call was taking dog's
medication on.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Monday morning.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I was like, okay, I've already cleared my calendar
, but this is really the signthat you need to slow down.
Yes, yes, because I mean, I'mokay, don't get me wrong, I'm
totally fine.
It wasn't just an antibioticand a probiotic, which I'm
taking anyway, but it's justthat ultimate sign.
But listen to those signs.
Yes, but it's just thatultimate sign, but listen to
those signs.
Yes, because three years ago Iwould have totally brushed that
off as oh whatever you know andmoved through it.
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Yes, and I think so often we'reconditioned to just move
through things, yes, yes, andnot sit with it.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yep, well, and the other thing, too, is when to
like find people to bring aroundus, right that, when we're
feeling unsure, right Aboutbeing able to tune in and like
what do I even need other peoplewho will?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
help us find that.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Right, like not, not right Exactly, and not that
they'll just be like well, thisis what you need to do.
You've got to go do this, butwe'll really bring you to a spot
where you can listen to you,your own direction of like, your
own sense of knowing what youneed.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
And they can hear you and hold space for you.
And I've really realized theimportance of just holding space
.
It's not always about givingadvice, it's not always about
giving resources.
Sometimes it's about holdingspace so people can verbally
process and get to those placeson their own.
And I think until we do that,we don't truly honor the change.
(51:13):
We don't truly honor the change.
Yes, you know, we don't trulyhonor our own intuition until
we're able to process and getthere on our own.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yes, that is what I say is the most important thing
that I do for people is holdspace for them in their own
healing journeys.
So, yes, with the work that I do, it tends to uncover and bring
up those things, cover and bringup those things and then and
some people they like see it andthey're like I can hold space
(51:42):
for myself and they're going togo and and and process through
and do their work outside of thefour walls that I work in.
So many people they get toprocess right there.
Right, I'm not a counselor, butthey are welcome to process
through and talk through theirstuff and if it feels like
they're getting stuck, then I'mgoing to connect them with the
counselor.
Right, and even sometimes thenyou get that quick.
(52:04):
So if massage is triggeringstuff, if the body work is
pulling stuff up and theperson's not in a space that
they can process it on their own, that's why we bring the
psychotherapist in the room formassage therapy, so that when
the stuff is getting triggered,when it's coming up in the body,
the psychotherapist is there tohelp them navigate it, so that
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they're not getting stuck, sothat they're not taking
themselves off in inside tracks,so that they have resolution
with it.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
And they're not judging themselves for it.
No right, because sometimes wecan judge ourselves by what
comes up, not not so that theyhave resolution with it and they
can release themselves.
No right, because sometimes wecan judge ourselves by what
comes up?
oh, so much you know, it's likeoh my gosh I had emotion about
this and I just I shouldn't havefelt that way, or I should have
felt, and it's like stop, justobserve it.
Yes, you know right, try toprocess it.
Yeah, but do it from a place ofunconditional love and
(52:54):
non-judgment, and that that goesfor ourselves especially, and
other people.
Yes, and I think that that's aplace.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
That's where the safe place begins.
Yes, putting judgment onemotion is one of our biggest
hangups, so that's a lot of whatI tell people to do in my space
Feel it Right, let yourselffeel it, lean into it and feel
it, because that's when itreleases.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yes, because you know , I think, generations before
you know.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
because we're to be seen and not heard, you know
people went to war and came backand didn't talk about anything.
And the Great Depression youknow, there was just a lot of
generational things that held usback.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
But I feel like we're really opening that door now
and making it more of a sacredopen space.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Do you think this is something that I just recently,
sort of has been hitting me init right now especially is kind
of putting this together.
Do you think there's an elementthat, as a population, we
needed?
The neurotoxins, all of thethings to take us to the edge,
to make us stop and look at theemotional stuff?
Speaker 1 (54:00):
A hundred percent.
I feel like that's a lot ofwhat the whole pandemic thing
was about, too Right.
Like most of the people I knowthat have gone through extreme
life changes.
All happened around that time.
Yes, it takes something extreme.
Yes, whether it be a war,whether it be a pandemic,
whether it be Something thattakes us to the edge things that
are taking us to the edge ofwhether it's illness, whether
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it's gratification or success,even or quote, success to
realize this isn't what I want.
Things need to shift, thingsneed to change.
I have everything I've everwanted and needed.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Like things need to shift.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Things need to change , like I have everything I've
ever wanted and needed.
However, why do I feel so emptyinside?
Yeah, you know, and I thinkthat it's really given us a lot
of introspective time to shiftand reprioritize, yes, and
redefine.
What does success really meanLike?
For me, success is being rested.
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It's, you know, havingintentional time with the people
that I care about.
It's honoring my body, my mindand my spirit.
It's, you know, feelingaccomplished at the end of the
day, but not in an egoic way.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
You know it's feeling fulfilled and purposeful, you
know and it has nothing to dowith money, and it has nothing
to do with you know the drivethat it used to be so nonstop.
And I look back and I'm likeGod, bless your soul.
No wonder you have no adrenals,yes, which you know that's
right, and that's what makes meagain come back to.
(55:36):
I'm so grateful to be able todo something that I'm so
passionate about, like if Ididn't need an income, I'd still
do what I do.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Oh 100%.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Like if I fell into a tremendous amount of money, I
would still be doing what I'mdoing, because it's what I meant
to do.
It is, it is just, it just is.
And that's this beautiful,beautiful gift, right when we
can find those things that bringus so much purpose and so much.
That's not about things, it'snot about money, it's it's not
(56:09):
about survival.
It is about thriving and it'sabout bringing more.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Right and adding to that collective consciousness.
Yes, yes and just helpingpeople become more physically
and emotionally aware.
Yeah, oh, yeah, oh my gosh,thank you so much for the work
you do on.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
I feel like we could talk for hours.
I know, I know I really do.
We could.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
You know.
So if our listeners want tofind you and your work, so my
personal website islevitawellcom.
And I will link that into ourpodcast.
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So, yeah, that has my personal website and my
personal contact.
It may be on MindBodyMedicineof Florida as well, okay, but
you can find me by any of thosethings.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
I just don't want to get too confused because we
didn't hit on that a lot.
But if they specifically wantto after hearing what you're
doing, the wonderful work thatyou do, and want to experience
that on their own.
I want them to be able toconnect with you.
For sure, but don't expect anappointment tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
She books out.
Yes, and just in general, ifyou want to book a massage or
hair appointment.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
just know, give yourself some time.
Yes For the quality.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Right, and that's.
That's the thing, and and thereality of it is, though, my
schedule was not always bookedout as far as it is, but the
more people that find me, thefurther out it gets booked.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
And um it is a wonderful thing, and it's, and I
love them.
Yes, schedule a monthly.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Right, and it's, it's just such a yeah, it's such a
gift.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
You're welcome and thank you, I'm so.
I'm just so excited howeverything flowed today.
And I love how we got to shareall of the wonderful work that
you do, and plus a little more.
You know in depth of ourperspectives of everything.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
So thank you, thank you so much, wanda, thank you, I
love you, dear, I love whatyou're doing and you're just a
lovely friend.
Thank you.
It's a beautiful connection.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yes, it is Grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Same, same same.
Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of
Crystal Clear.
I have a wonderful guest ontoday, ms Wanda Florez, and
Wanda is a massage therapist,but she really specializes in
helping you release some of theemotional aspects that can get
trapped in the body and I've hada few experiences with her work
(00:22):
and I have to say it's it'sreally special.
So thank you so much for beingon today, wanda.
Thank you, I'm excited for this.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I really am.
Yeah, I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I mean, when you said you've never done anything like
this.
I was like oh well, wow.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, perfect, this is great.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
You know, and we met, I don't even know how long ago
now, six, eight months agoprobably at a ladies nurture and
network event and just kind ofkicked it off from there.
You joined one of my retreatsand, um, yeah, it was just great
synergy and um, it's alwaysenlightening to and like fills
(01:00):
me up to meet other people inthese transitional healing
spaces and I feel like onceyou're open to that, you really
understand, like what thatperson's healing about
themselves and also their desireto help others heal as well.
And so I would love if you couldjust kind of give us an
overview of you know where youare now and kind of what's led
(01:25):
up to that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, so, wow, okay.
So an overview of where I amnow I am working, like, my title
is a massage therapist.
I'm a licensed massagetherapist.
That's what gives me thelicense to touch and that like
space that I, that's the, that'sthe box I work in, right, but
what I really do in that space,like you said, is really helping
(01:48):
people connect to theiremotions and I've really had
some beautiful connective piecesthat have brought me to the
place that I am and I look atthe whole thing that's brought
me to this and it's such ajourney.
I mean we could be here for aday to talk about all of those
pieces, or a book.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Exactly, definitely, and it's been a journey of
especially the last 12 years orso that's really brought me to
here, working with othermodalities, other practitioners,
to really try to help peopleheal really is what it's about.
(02:29):
Helping people heal, helpingpeople connect to the traumas
that they've run from umcreating a safe space that
people feel seen and lovedenough that they can really go
into those spaces that they'venot been able to process at
their own stuff, and also tryingto, like make sure that I'm not
(02:50):
stepping into spaces that Idon't belong, that I'm not
qualified to do, which is aninteresting piece and I love
that.
Like right now, where I'm at isI feel like I'm part of a
network, a team that I get to bein that space where I don't
feel like how do I help thisperson get where they need to go
(03:10):
without going into places?
I'm not trained and qualified,so that's a new space for me and
I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I love it.
It's a really awesome theMindBody Medicine and it's a
beautiful facility Um you knowit's in the.
Midwest closet here in Sarasota.
But you walk in and the secondyou walk into the space it's
like, oh wow, this is tranquil,this is awesome.
There's like a Zinden librarywhere you can go and just hang
(03:40):
out and read books.
There is this, you know, acrystal shop which has really
beautiful, unique pieces andthere's a ton of different
practitioners there.
You know different acupuncture,iv therapy, psychotherapy,
hypnotherapy, you know.
Give us a little overview ofwhat the space is like and what
I find personally is so uniqueabout it is because it's a mix
(04:05):
of holistic and Western medicineand I love that.
The psychologists andpsychiatrists there are still
very much into the holisticpiece of let's not medicate you.
Let's get to the root.
Let's understand where theenergy blockage is.
And I feel like all of youdifferent practitioners there
(04:27):
have a very special, unique giftthat you bring to enhance that.
So, like you said, even if it'ssomething that you're not
specialized, but guess what, twodoors down there's a person for
you Exactly.
And that's just kind of a veryall-encompassing spot and, to be
honest, if I had the need for aspot like that, would be my
place.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It is.
It has been the greatest gift,like recently, for me to be part
of that it's, and I feel so.
There are so many elements toit.
One is what you see andexperience when you step in is
that, like one of my clientstells me, when she walks in it
feels like a warm hug, like itjust.
There's this sense oftranquility, a sense of just
(05:10):
presence.
There's a quietness, even whenit gets busy there's a sense of
quietness.
I love the courtyard with thefountains there it's just it's
just really there's somethingspecial about it and it's it's
rooted.
It started with the, so the,the business name there is
MindBodyMedicine, and I love thefact that I get to, as a
(05:32):
practitioner, come in and rent aspace and I get to have my own
business.
But there's this collaborativepiece, right, and it's an
interesting thing because youlook at different business
models and it's kind of a newpiece of like we're not
financially tied together otherthan the fact that I rent a
space there.
So we have all of thisconnectivity, referral from one
(05:56):
person to another, like I thinkthis is the person that can help
you with your next piece andthere's no financial ties, right
.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So there's no selling , it's no system.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's no selling.
We are all genuinely justtrying to help people the best
that we know how to help themget well.
But, dr Sylvester, he's thepsychotherapist there and or
he's the psychiatrist there.
He's the psychiatrist, and sohe brings just a really
tremendous element and a lot ofintention to that Eastern
(06:28):
Western piece.
Right, that that mindful likeand like, looking at the whole
pieces.
Where's where is it blocked?
Is this?
Is this really a trauma basedthing?
Is this a hormonal disruptionthat's happening?
Is there, like he does workwith people dealing with mold
toxicity, dealing with heavymetals, dealing, like he does
(06:54):
lots of blood work, he looks atvitamin levels, he looks at all
of these different pieces.
So he's looking at theemotional pieces, he's looking
at the chemistry pieces and he'slooking at the psychology, the
traditional psychological pieces, and looking for all the tools
that he possibly can to helppeople and um he, along with um,
(07:18):
a psychotherapist and umsomeone who does neurofeedback
and breath work, anacupuncturist, and she's so much
more than an acupuncturist.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I know I feel the same about my functional
medicine, doctor Right.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And another massage therapist together, actually for
years before they had the space, before before they had the
facility, um to work doing thiscollaborative work.
That's really cool.
It's actually bringing multiplepractitioners into the same
room at the same time workingwith a patient and it develops
(07:59):
this dynamic of incredible.
I've experienced it.
I've had the tremendous honorof being invited into working
with them um, training into whatthey do and now getting to be
able to work with them on aregular basis where we'll have
um.
We have people that I may bedoing elements of massage
(08:22):
therapy while thepsychotherapist is in the room
and doing talk therapy, and wemay even have neurofeedback
happening at the same time andor we may be having acupuncture
happening at the same time andreally working using all of
those tools to dive deep so thatpeople can really access spaces
that are hard to access Right,because they've spent their
(08:44):
whole life blocking them off andhaving the support there from
different avenues.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
And the level of comfort to be like okay, this is
overwhelming.
I think I want to stick withthese two today.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And I love that you guys create such a comfortable,
warm dynamic that it's really upto the person yes, to choose
what they want to bring intotheir circle and what they want
to bring into their lives, andthat may sound very overwhelming
.
I've done all of thosedifferent things I've never done
them all together.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So I'm sitting here like oh no, and most of us, when
we first try it, are terrified.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
No feedback and massage at the same time and
like what, which is great, so Ithat's just something very
special, though it is.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
it really is so special and it creates this
dynamic of of of like a familyteam working together, because
the amount of trust we have tobuild with each other is huge.
One of the pieces that we do inorder to work in that dynamic
is we have to be willing to geton the table and receive work
from each other so we canexperience it A hundred percent,
(09:48):
helps them walk through thatand pays very much attention to
what are their comfort levelsand is not going to push them to
(10:13):
do things that doesn't seemlike it's actually what they're
ready to do.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Correct Right, because the last thing you want
to do is re-traumatize someone.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
As someone, who's recovered from PTSD.
I could imagine at this part ofmy journey I would be like,
okay, all the things please.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, but I could imagine in the beginning it was
such a vulnerable space.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Like okay, I'm going to put my foot in the door on
this one and I'm going to put myfoot in like okay, like a ween
away in, and I'm assumingthere's a protocol to get to
that point, to where they haveeveryone there.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
That's absolutely right, almost like a steps
program that they have to take.
Yeah, so, basically, they'regoing to do an initial
interaction with thepsychotherapist and they're
going to have at least one orseveral sessions with the
psychotherapist until thepsychotherapist and that
individual is on the same page,to make sure that they know what
they're ready for movingforward.
(11:01):
They're also usually going tohave a session with each of the
practitioners before they gointo combined sessions.
Okay, right, not always, butfrequently, sometimes.
So, like for myself as amassage therapist, I can speak
to what I've experienced.
Sometimes someone will havetrauma related to touch right,
(11:24):
so, or the absence of touchRight, and so, as soon as like,
it can be the most basic, youknow, hands on the shoulder and
just being there, creating andnurturing space.
That's actually a lot of what Ido, in that I'm following the
energy, I'm paying attention towhere things are being held in
(11:47):
the body.
But it's also again thatincredible mindfulness, one of
knowing finding out beforehandhow comfortable this person is
with touch, with massage therapy.
Is this a very familiar,comfortable space, isn't it?
If there's fear around it,making sure that I ask for
permission before I touch adifferent area of the body,
(12:08):
before I touch their stomach,before I touch a foot, to make
sure that they know that that'swhere I'm going, that they are
empowered.
Right, that they're empoweredand that they're comfortable,
that they get to steer and be incontrol.
It's really.
It's actually something I'vebecome aware of very recently is
how much, when it comes tothese therapies, it's such a
(12:32):
balancing piece of finding thatspace of making someone feel so
empowered and so in control thatthey can trust themselves to
surrender because they feel thatsafe, and how much is so.
It's this like this surrenderspace, because that's what needs
(12:55):
to happen for healing to happenis a sense of surrender.
But that only happens when youfeel like you are in an element
of control, right, right, andwhen you feel like you're ready
for it, I think, and that youcan accept that this is what
needs to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yes, because I think when we try to really quote
control we take ourselves out ofthat.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
And I know what you mean by control.
I know what you meant bycontrol.
So, just for the listeners outthere, don't try to control and
surrender Right.
Exactly about this.
Don't try to control andsurrender Right exactly.
But this is what I ran intoright.
As a therapist, I recentlyreceived therapy massage therapy
where I went into the space andI said this is and it had to do
with fertility pieces formyself, where I'm at and what I
(13:36):
know my goals are and what Iknew I wanted out of that space.
And I went into this space andI said please.
Initially I'm like I need youto know, please don't do any
deep work on my sacral area.
There are points there that Idon't want stimulated because of
where I am Right, what'shappening right now.
I know it would feel good, butI'm asking you to please, not
(14:00):
because of what my goals are andwhat I'm trying to accomplish
Right and where things are at inmy life.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And good for you for even knowing that Right, because
most people don't really knowto even say that, right, and
that's a whole thing too right.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
But I felt like I came in and I communicated that
very clearly and the therapistimmediately wanted to say, well,
what about this?
Like nope, that's stimulationto those areas.
I really don't want that, Right.
Okay, well, I might try some,something else.
But let's get started.
And this particularpractitioner was working.
(14:38):
This was a traumatic thing forme recently.
Okay, so they were working andthey basically worked past my
guard and kept trying to go intothat space until I gave in.
And I should have, as someonewho knows who's a massage
therapist and knows all of thesethings, I should have turned
and said if you can't not workthis area, the session is over.
(15:02):
Like I'm getting up, this isdone, and yet I didn't find that
space to do it.
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And then, as you get into that space and it's so
vulnerable it's so and youalmost freeze it's almost like a
trauma response of okay, I'mpretty sure I.
It almost makes you have thatself-doubt Like didn't I talk
about this, like didn't I tellyou I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So, as a practitioner , it's super, super important to
listen and to pay attention andto honor those spaces and to
make sure that the person who'sgetting on my table in a
vulnerable space that I'mfinding and establishing as many
of the pieces even if they havea hard time verbalizing it and
really tuning in and finding outwhat their pieces are and
(15:54):
making sure that they're feelingsafe enough, one to honor
themselves, but also that I'mmaking sure that I'm protecting
the boundaries that they'resetting Right.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right, that's huge, and that's a huge thing.
Yeah For you to even I meananyone going into a situation
like this understanding thatwhen someone's communicating
with you, they're trying to setboundaries.
Yes, yes no matter what it islike if someone's communicating
with you, they're either settingboundaries or opening
(16:26):
themselves up to like.
Be open, and especially when itcomes to body work, whether it
was yeah, right, and we do hold.
And so how do you feel now,after?
(16:53):
If you don't mind me asking howrecent was that?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
experience.
It was like a month ago.
Oh, wow, okay, so how?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
have you managed to, both as a practitioner and as
the person who is receiving thework?
How have you really managed toovercome that?
Because that's a big deal.
It is a big deal Because Iwould think for me, I would
almost be timid in my ownpractice because I wouldn't want
to, even though you knowknowingly, I trust myself but
(17:22):
knowing like I would just behypersensitive, I think, to
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
So.
So a couple of pieces play intothat.
One is like I've done this workfor like 10 years now and so
there's an element that I'verealized like I've made mistakes
at different times and I've hadto wrestle with that myself and
being and like allowing thatspace for another practitioner
to make mistakes.
Um, I did follow up with aconversation with that
(17:47):
practitioner and sat down andtalked to them until they
finally heard me Good, whichfelt like I was like it felt
hard to make them hear me.
And I didn't let it go until Ifelt like they did Good and that
was a huge piece.
That actually was a big piecein my own personal healing as
well.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I was going to say because that's your personal
power, right, well, that's yourpersonal power and that's that
solar plexus, that's that likeyou know being able to keep that
strong core and foundation foryourself is verbalizing.
Hey, you may not want to hearthis, but this is how I felt.
Yes, and that's hard for people.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's what it is, and so then, on the flip side,
when it comes to my own practice, it was just a reminder and
it's something that I like tobelieve that I'm pretty mindful
of anyway.
But it was a reminder to stepback and go like is there anyone
in my practice that, at anylevel, I'm pressuring them to go
(18:46):
into a space that they're?
That's crossing theirboundaries, right?
Right, and it's an interestingthing, because the type of work
that I do I do a lot of fasciawork it's stinking uncomfortable
, right, because we're oftenright, I know I know we're a
little sadistic that way.
Right, all the deep work.
But with fascia work which isoften what I'm working in, which
(19:09):
is that connective tissue therecan frequently be a level of
physical pain, so that'suncomfortable.
Some people aren't ready forthat, and I really try to be
like mindful and respectful andlike when someone's not ready
for it, pull back.
Mindful and respectful and likewhen someone's not ready for it
, pull back.
I may try to educate them andbe like if this is like, if
you're interested, we can trythat, but I really like, yeah,
(19:33):
try to be very respectful ofthat.
It's an interesting balance,though to invite people into
doing things that are hard and,at the same time, maintaining
and really respecting andhonoring their boundaries.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right and I think that, because of the specific
work that you do, I think it'svery important for people to
understand that is beneficialand for those of you out, there
who aren't sure.
So you have your muscle, thenyou have your fascia, then you
have your skin.
So it's that deep, it's almostlike everyone's eating a raw
chicken.
It's like that filmy stuffthat's in deep.
(20:12):
It's almost like you know,everyone's seeing like a raw
chicken.
It's like that filmy stuffthat's out in between and it's
that connective tissue.
So, for example, all of usbetween our shoulder blades I'm
sure have really you know tightfascia on our IT bands which are
the outsides of our thighs.
You know another spot that mostpeople have really tight fascia
, also lower back.
So those are really areas thatyou also hold, especially
between the shoulder blades,which is your heart chakra and
your lower back which is yoursacral chakra.
(20:32):
Those are areas that we can holda lot of trauma in our hips, so
it's really important for theemotional release piece for what
you do to understand that youcan stretch the muscle and you
could rub the skin, but ifyou're not really releasing that
(20:53):
in-between layer, you're notgoing to get the results.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Exactly.
You're not going to get thephysical results and you're not
going to get the emotionalresults, right.
Right, so that's that permanentrelief, exactly, you know, and
it's that it's that thing thatchanges our lives Right, which
is such a a piece.
That's amazing.
It's such an amazing piece, andso I do a fair amount of work
(21:19):
with the fascia piece, and thenI do a fair amount of work with
just following where theemotions, the tension is being
held in the body right at themoment.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, You're feel free to use me as an example if
you want.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You just worked on me , I know right.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, and I'm happy to share what I was working
through, so I feel like I alwayslove to give personal examples.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So I just saw you what.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Monday Okay, so a couple of days ago, yes.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So well, I'll let you share because you got to, you
got to experience it Right, soI'll let you share what your
experience was.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So I've seen one a few times now.
This time in particular, I wascoming off of being very ill,
like I had strep throat for acouple of weeks, had some other
gastrointestinal stuff going on.
I'm just like waves of fatigue.
I can just feel like I'mwearing thin, which, in
(22:11):
hindsight and foresight, hasallowed me to really prioritize
myself, my life and my calendarand my family.
So it's allowed me to take a, a.
When you're sick, it's easy tosay, hey, you know, I'm sick, I
have to cancel this.
However, during this period ofme being sick cause I've never
been the sick before in my lifeI was able to be like you know
(22:34):
what.
I need to just put this onpause Like this.
This, this space was great for alittle while, but now I'm
moving into a new chapter and Iswear to you, I went to Sedona
for the spring.
It was a ladies retreat, but onthe spring equinox, I did a
cacao ceremony.
It was super impactful for me.
(22:56):
We released a lot of the darkand old patterns and
inflammation and generationalstuff and from the quote serpent
world, which is like the lowerworld, and I did an offering of
tobacco um in a little bowl andthen um.
We worked on, like the Puma,which is like your, your current
state, so like your active body, like your manifest, or your
(23:19):
creator, which is like the meright now.
And then, um, the offering forthat was a cacao.
So I had to, like take a biteof pizza cacao and put it in
this offering bowl.
And then the third one was theworld of spirit and realm and,
you know, connecting to yourintuition and your higher self.
And you know it was reallyintense and the lady was amazing
.
We frothed the cacao and eachtime we did one of the levels,
(23:46):
you know I would hold the bottomof the cup in my left hand the
little cacao is almost in like alittle shot glass in the palm
of my hand and put my right palmon.
So it was a heart opening, so itwould like, receive through the
left, go through the heart andgive back with the right.
And so each time, through eachelement, I would, you know,
release something, I wouldmanifest something, I would
connect somewhere.
Anyway, so just to back it upand give some backstory about
(24:08):
this whole experience I had.
So that was the 21st, literallyequinox.
The next day in Sedona, I washiking and all the rest of the
ladies were coming that day andI just started to feel kind of
feverish, like you know, yourbody gets chills and kind of run
down and I'm like, oh, you know, my family had been sick a
(24:30):
couple weeks prior, but I didn'treally think much of it and you
know I got an IV before I left.
I felt pretty good.
I did have like a 23 hour travelday on the spring Equinox day,
but I was like, okay, I'm goingto go rest.
And I went to sleep.
I woke up from a nap and I wasout for the rest of the weekend.
I honestly believe I sparkedsomething.
It was going to Sedona, it wasdoing this ceremony, it was
(24:53):
releasing.
It literally allowed me tocompletely release and purge
everything.
Like I had 104 fever for fourdays.
I got to the point where Icouldn't swallow because I was
sick with strep.
But I'm like the whole time.
I'm like, well, I feel like I'mtalking my truth, I feel like
I'm being heard.
You know, and there were somethings in the retreat that I
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just kind of it allowed me torecluse and be in my own space
and also rest like I wouldn'thave been able to rest around my
family.
So that was the week prior tocoming to see you so.
I really just allowed myself tomake some changes.
I've been teaching and trainingat Shapes early in the mornings
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and since this whole timechange I'm like I can't.
I just can't do it, andunderstanding I had this going
on with my health, it's like,well, that makes sense.
I need to take some time awayfrom that.
It was a great chapter.
I think I need to slow down andjust have some more slow,
intentional mornings for myselfand my health and my adrenals,
you know.
So this is all leading up tocoming to see you.
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I go to see you and I alwayslove that you like start on my
feet.
I think that's always reallyfun and you work your way up my
legs, which my legs have always,you know, really bared the
weight of life.
And I remember the first time Iever saw you actually for your
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work, you were like what haveyou been running from?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And I'm like why does everyone ask me that?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I remember being 15 years old and coming back so
sweaty and my family would belike what are you running from
in college?
What are you training for?
What are you running from?
And I'm like life, okay, I'mjust running.
At this point in my life Idon't even run that much, but
you felt that you were able tofeel that and I'm like you know
what I'm.
Actually.
I've stopped running and I'mfacing more, but for years and
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years and years, I wasconstantly running.
I was running from my thoughts.
I was running from my past.
I was running from my childhood.
I was running from mostly myown thoughts, and now it's like
I'm in a space to face them, butthere's still some residual
volume in there that needs to bereleased.
So when you were working on me,you even said your right leg is
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still really tight.
You still have a lot to releaseand let go, and I'm like my
hips have been kind of offbalance.
And what are hips?
Hips are our stability.
It's usually the right side,which is your masculine side,
which is that I'm going to takecare of myself, I'm going to be
successful, I'm going to be fine, I'm going to.
You know, I'm going to do allthe things, the left side's
feminine side.
So I feel like any injury I'veever had has always been on my
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right side, believe it or not, Ibelieve it, you know.
And then, when you were workingon the piece, we did work on my
digestive system.
Yes, working on the piece, wedid work on my digestive system.
Yes, like we had done the timeprior.
Yes, yes, and you know, itreally allowed things to start
moving in the way they weresupposed to be moving.
Yes, and.
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I've always had.
I felt like been very healthy,especially digestively, but I
was suffering from like somecrazy inflammation for a while
and like obviously finding out Iwas allergic to eggs and eating
them every day wasn't a goodthing.
But I feel like there's anemotional piece to that too.
Yes, I know there was.
So being in Sedona, having thatfever and allowing it to just
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burn, I mean I was burning 104through ibuprofen, like I was
taking 600, 800 milligrams ofibuprofen, but my body needed to
purge it and I have not feltinflamed since.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Isn't that amazing.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It is.
So it's like I was meant to getsick.
I was meant to go through thatpurging phase and recalibrate,
to get back to this space towhere I can say, okay, I need to
reset.
And since then I've takenmyself out of every group chat
that I'm in because I just it'stoo much Like love my friends,
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but I can speak to themindividually.
Um, except for the one with myhusband and my kids, we keep
that one, but um you know I've.
I've been able to clear off somebig things on my calendar, like
early mornings, and haverestful mornings, because I was
realizing, you know, with myadrenal stuff, but it was also
not filling me up.
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I felt like it was filling meup but I was really giving a lot
on top of all the other thingsgoing on.
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So you know, when you got to myneck and working on my neck and
things like that, it was just,it was a crazy release.
So, from your perspective, foreverything, I just talked about
just to give some background onmy own experience.
what, as a practitioner, did youfeel during that session?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
If you remember, because I know sometimes it's
hard to- I know there's a lot oftrying to remember, because I
make it a point, I make it anintention to not take those
things with me.
Occasionally there will besomething that's like cause I've
learned so much from my, frommy clients, I have learned so
much from the people I work with.
That's, that's why and how I amthe practitioner I am today is
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by learning from my clients.
Um, so there are definitelytimes that I'm like, oh, my
goodness, that is like burned inmy memory, um, but in general I
try to make it a point not totry to like remember and carry
things Um, but yes, I doremember quite a bit and I
remember, like that whole sortof that sense of of almost that
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burning that left even apigmentation, um, on your throat
area, right Especially justbelow your neck, but into that
throat chakra space and that,yeah, the releases in the neck
of like being able to like stateyour space.
And this is where, so often,what I feel and experience and
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you're no different with thatwhat I feel and experience in
that is, I will feel in my ownof the stomach or sort of that,
and so that's frequently whatI'm doing, that's how I'm
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finding and following is becauseI'll feel it in my own body,
which can freak some people outthat idea 100% and honestly,
when I first moved to Sarasota,I went to Florida College of
Natural Health and did theneuromuscular massage program
and that's what freaked me outand I'm like I can never do
massage for the public.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Did the neuromuscular massage program and that's what
freaked me out and I'm like Ican never do massage for the
public because in clinicals Icould feel what was going on
with people, which was great.
And I felt like it came verynaturally to me, but I mean at
21 years old, I was like I don'tknow what to do with this, I
don't know how to protect my ownenergy and I didn't know back
then I wasn't as knowledgeablewith all of this as I am now, so
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I just have a great respect forbody workers or any
practitioner that does hands-onwork, because it is an energy
exchange.
I mean it is.
It's a conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh, it is Right.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You walk into a room, you have an energy exchange
without even saying a word, muchless putting your hands on
someone or someone being open toreceive, and it's just really
beautiful, amazing work that youdo and I really highly suggest
if you're a holisticpractitioner and you're really
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looking for a space for yourselfhighly recommend the mind body
medicine.
So much you know you arelooking to do more of this deep
work for yourself.
I like recommend all thepractitioners there.
And where can we find that?
Is it mind body medicine?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
mind, mind body.
Medicine of Florida.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Okay, mind body medicine of Florida.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yes, there is another mind body medicine that's not
in Florida.
This is mind body medicine ofFlorida.
Okay, Um so mind body medicinethat's not in florida, this is
mind body medicine of florida.
Okay, um, so mind body medicineof florida is.
And the resources they're ontheir web page.
That's gonna have, I believe.
You know I've hardly checkedout the website itself, but I
believe that'll have connectionsto and links to most of the
practitioners in the building.
There are so many reallywonderful practitioners from
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family therapists,psychotherapists, trauma work.
We're doing the.
What we call that collaborativepiece is the, what we call the
SST synchronized synergistictherapy and that's specifically
really looking at working withtrauma and, in the long run,
what we're hoping to do is bringand do more of that.
Most of the practitioners whoare doing that.
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It would be our long-termvision to be do more of that.
Most of the practitioners whoare doing that.
It would be our long-termvision to be doing more of that,
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And then, what about yourself, for myself, for my?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
services.
Yeah, so that's actually I'mshifting less into from the
cause.
I used to do a lot of that likephysical corrective.
I hurt my shoulder.
Can you help me fix it?
Not that I don't do any of thatanymore, but I really am doing
so much of that emotional piece,helping people tie into the
emotion, connect into theemotions held in their body.
I had recently just one of themost precious moments where I
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had a lady on my table.
She's in her nineties and sheherself has been a a therapist
her whole life, so she knows howto do the work um, but we were
doing work that took hermemories right back into her
childhood that she was able torelease.
And next thing I know I havethis beautiful woman in her 90s
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sobbing in arms, releasing allof this childhood trauma that's
affecting her ability to um facethe changes of of her life.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Right, which led to her being a healer.
However, still have that torelease.
Yes, and like there's, there'ssomething.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It just it's one of the most precious gifts for me
to be able to work with anyoneand, like I get the same
excitement working with youngpeople as well, because I work
with, I say, kids in their 20s.
I've worked with every age inbetween, but there was something
really beautiful and preciousabout that that felt like a
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cycle.
That's just such a gift.
It's such, um, I feel like Ihave received a gift and, while
other people get to benefit fromit, but like I really feel like
the gift is for me that I getto be part of people's healing
journeys, right like thathealing for you as well.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's so healing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's so rich and so beautiful and like it's, it is
hard.
I'm so in love with it.
I'm so in love with it, like itreally um, it's hard to explain
in my eyes.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I love it as I think about it yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's.
It's such a.
I mean, how many people in thisworld really feel like they
have found what they aresupposed to be doing, their
purpose, what they specificallyhave been designed to do, what
their intention is to do andaccomplish here, and get to walk
in it in their 30s, right Likeit's such a?
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I feel so honored and soprivileged to be able to walk in
that, and it was indeed ajourney to get there.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And so do you mind sharing a little bit about that
journey?
Yeah, absolutely, and how youkind of?
What led you to this?
Speaker 2 (36:35):
space.
Yeah, so I had childhood trauma, like many, many of us, most of
all of us, right, exactly,exactly, and I grew up in a
culture it was a really asubculture um, that was
religious but also, um, I likereally held on to a lot of
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spaces that I went into, a spaceof, of control, like many of us
right.
How do I make sure that nothingbad ever happens to me again?
I have to be good enough, Ihave to fit all the boxes.
Perfectionist, perfectionist andyes, right Performance, right
Earning love, earning affection,all of those pieces.
And I thought I had thingspretty figured out and I went on
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a trip when I was 25 that wasdesigned to make people it was
for women, it was a canoe tripand it was designed to make us
kind of was for women, it was acanoe trip and it was designed
to make us kind of face ourstuff and I thought I was in a
good space.
I thought this was going to bea breeze.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
We all go into those spaces like that, like, oh right
, this is going to be a breeze.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And it turned my world upside down and I realized
that I was really hiding fromso much.
I was really hiding from somuch so I jumped deep into my
own trauma at that point andworking through my own stuff
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working with counselors and or acounselor and it actually took
me out of what, at that point,was my dream job and I had no
idea what in the world I wantedto do.
I thought I wanted to go to artschool.
I had always been good atgiving back rubs.
I'd never like yourself like Iwas.
Like no, I can't do massage fora living, like people had told
me.
Like you should go to schoolfor this no-transcript and then
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I can use that to pay my waythrough art school Absolutely
fell in love with massagetherapy and found my passion and
what happened actually cause Iwas still in a lot of working
through my own trauma as myclassmates were working on me.
I would have a lot ofconnections to memories, right.
So they would work on somethingand it would bring up a memory
and I would recognize how muchthe tension I was holding there
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was connected to a specifictrauma, a specific piece.
And so that was my beginningjourney and then over the years
I was at the get-go fairlyintuitive.
I was the get-go fairlyintuitive and thankfully I had a
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hands-on instructor who sawthat and really encouraged me in
it.
I still had a lot of blocks, alot, lot, lot of years and it
was actually um was after.
I had not intentionally steppedaway from massage, but I needed
to.
I needed to manage my mom'sbakery for several years and um
to step in for her so she couldtake care of some family things.
So I was doing massage therapyvery part time.
But during those couple of yearsI was growing so much
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spiritually and working througha lot of my own emotional,
spiritual stuff and when I stepback into it things started
happening as in I started tofeel more.
I started to be so much moreaware.
And see, I often say this workfound me because what happened
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is what my clients wereexperiencing with my work was
beyond what I even was aware ofwas happening.
So they would come back to meand tell me how their whole life
had changed and with thismassage where, like, we had
released their you know stomachadhesions and like that and and
she was coming back to me andsaying I didn't for the first
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time able to set boundaries withmy boyfriend and I'm actually
like just holding space and ableto voice and like her whole
world had changed Right and I'mgetting exposed with it.
I know I'm chilly too and I wasdumbfounded that like so much
was happening that I wasn't evenaware of happening.
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So that's another piece.
Again, I've learned so muchfrom my clients and that's been
from that point to where I amnow has so much been by working
with people, whether I've had acouple of other like massage
therapists or differentpractitioners come into my life.
Adrienne Sundberg she's theacupuncturist at MindModdy
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Medicine and I met her and we'veworked on each other for a
little over a year now and she'sbeen really just.
She's so lovely in her reallysubtle ways just really helped
me to like, recognize and ownthe work that I do and what and
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um, what I, what I, what happenswhen I work on people.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right, well, and also too, if you're doing
acupuncture, I'm a firm believerthat that does release
blockages.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh, so much.
You know, we hint on that inmassage school like, you
understand the meridians, youunderstand the.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Chinese medicine, but not the way that that they are
able to really implement itwhich I think it's such a great
combination like actually, whenI went to see the other day, I
went to acupuncture afterwardsright, and I felt so clear and
just so yes, like everything wasflowing again yes, because we
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have those energy blockages, wehave that g blockage, we have
that, um, you know.
so just adding in the differentmodalities, and I didn't like
this.
The other day, when I was sickand I took my dog's medication
by accident, I explained topeople like you know, there's a
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time and a place for everything,like I think me also.
Getting sick this last timereally opened my eyes too,
because I think I had becomepretty closed off to Western
medicine in a couple of ways,like just over the craziness
that's happened the past fiveyears in the world.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It's easy, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know I was kind of anti-antibiotic like.
I'm not taking that medicationand I'm like, okay, my throat's
closing.
I need to get all into my kids.
I will take all the antibiotics, yes, and it has its place.
So it gave me a new foundrespect in this space that I'm
in to honor both and theycompliment each other.
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And if I break my arm I'm notgoing to pour honey and lavender
on it.
I'm going to go to get a castand I'm going to get an
orthopedic doctor, so you know.
So it was really eyeopening tome and I and honestly, I hadn't
realized how closed off I hadgotten.
And so it's always thoseopportunities that come to you.
Yes, that's like wow.
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All of this combined can helpus go forward.
And it's, and I think thatthat's just so important for
people to understand.
Just stay open.
Like I understand, you'retrained in one thing, and that's
fantastic, but let's not alwaysmedicate.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yes, maybe there's a route.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Maybe there's like a holistic way to this too.
And it's the combination ofthose two.
Like, yes, where some peoplemay need medications to help
their anxiety or depression ortheir chemical imbalances,
because those are real, like thechemistry behind life and
hormones and everything is real.
However, there's somethingdriving the reason for the
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imbalance.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
And.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
I've just used myself as a science experiment my
entire life and, you know,understood like wow, I can
balance my hormones by takingout random things like the kind
of toothpaste that I use,alcohol, caffeine and other
things that I did to maketransitional changes in my world
, any kind of neurotoxins andthat's actually something that
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scares me at this point in timeis we've really normalized
neurotoxins in a way that Idon't feel like people are going
to understand what they'redoing to us long-term and by
neurotoxins, things like Botoxand Dysport and fillers and to
each their own.
I'm not judging.
I've dabbled in a bit of itbefore my son was born, but I
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can tell you I definitely thinkthat it contributed to my
thyroid issue.
I definitely believe that itcontributed to some hormonal
imbalances I was having, becausewe just don't know the
long-term effects, Because we'rethat generation that's trying
it all out and it's like it's atemporary fix, like, for example
, when I was in college.
I went to the freaking tanningbed all the time Like hello
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sister, like that's why youended up with melanoma when you
were 27.
But I didn't care at the time.
So I think my you know big partof this journey too is just to
educate people like do yourresearch and whatever that means
for you.
Like, again, no judgment toeach their own, whatever they
choose to do with their body,but putting out different
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modalities and different ways toeducate yourself on ways that
you can heal and understandingtoo.
From my perspective, sometimesI think I have a hard time with
people that have no interest inhealing whatsoever.
And that's okay and again, toeach their own.
But I don't think you can be mypeople Right.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Well, and actually so , as a massage therapist like
even outside of likerelationship space.
As a massage therapist, I havepeople come to me and what
they're looking for isn't what Ido, right, like, not that.
It's not that I can't do whatthey're looking for, but it's
not in my, my like, that's notmy specialty, right?
And so when someone's cominglooking for something that's not
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what I'm doing, I'm reallygoing to encourage them to go
elsewhere, right, because, one,my calendar is pretty full and I
want space for all the peoplewho want what I can do, right,
what they can't get with anothermassage therapist or have a
hard time finding a massagetherapist that they can get that
with.
And also, I don't want to spendmy energy doing the things that
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I'm not passionate about.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Right and that's just it.
And I run into the same thing.
People are like well,empowerment and transformation
coaching, I need that, and thenI'll do consultation and out of
consultation, I'll be honest andbe like you know.
I really feel like you know.
There I have several otherresources that you might want to
do first, before we get here oralongside of it or you know,
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because my, I think my whole,just one of my purposes in life
is to be able to connect peopleto the appropriate resources.
It doesn't have to be me.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
I don't have an ego like that.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I don't need and want all the clients.
I want people to get what'sbest for them.
Whatever practitioner works foryou and works for me may not
work for you, and that's okay,but here are the library of
resources and I just want peopleto understand that it's out
there.
And no matter what you'restruggling with.
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No matter what you're goingthrough, there are resources out
there for you so many.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Oh, my goodness, here in Sarasota we're so blessed,
we're so fortunate, so blessedwith so many resources.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
And I was actually in Sedona this last time.
I was, like you know, Sedona isreally beautiful, but we have a
special place here.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
We do.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Like, yes, they have healing vortexes in the
mountains.
I love them, but we really.
It really gave me a biggersense of gratitude for the
amount of resources and holisticresources and just really
well-renowned, you know, westernmedicine, eastern medicine, all
the different encompassing mind, body, spirit full circle
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connection places here.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
There is such a beautiful abundance of it here,
it really it makes me so happy.
Me too Like see so much of thishappening here.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Absolutely, and it's funny when you're like you know
this, like I have you for theemotional release happening here
, absolutely.
And it's funny when you're likeyou know this, like I have you
for the emotional release, Ihave, you know, my girlfriend
Angie, who's like the I'm goingto tie massage you, pull you out
, do the ultrasound.
I have my girlfriend Nani,who's my massage therapist,
who's like the deep water anddoes all the deep work you know.
I have, like you know, I havethe OM shop, which is like my
quantum massage readings andenergy release and it's just
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really interesting to havedifferent people, you see,
during different times thatworks for you, and that's
another thing I want to remindpeople like what works for you
this week may not be what youneed next.
That is so true, you know it maynot be what you needed last
week, you know so be open tobroadening the horizons and
going with the flow andunderstanding that it's really
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about the flow and and beingself-aware enough and slowing
down to be self-aware enough tounderstand what is it that I
need right now.
Yeah, and just like these pastcouple of weeks have been like
you know what, what I need rightnow is to slow down.
Yes, yes, you know, and thewakeup call was taking dog's
medication on.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Monday morning.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I was like, okay, I've already cleared my calendar
, but this is really the signthat you need to slow down.
Yes, yes, because I mean, I'mokay, don't get me wrong, I'm
totally fine.
It wasn't just an antibioticand a probiotic, which I'm
taking anyway, but it's justthat ultimate sign.
But listen to those signs.
Yes, but it's just thatultimate sign, but listen to
those signs.
Yes, because three years ago Iwould have totally brushed that
off as oh whatever you know andmoved through it.
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Yes, and I think so often we'reconditioned to just move
through things, yes, yes, andnot sit with it.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yep, well, and the other thing, too, is when to
like find people to bring aroundus, right that, when we're
feeling unsure, right Aboutbeing able to tune in and like
what do I even need other peoplewho will?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
help us find that.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Right, like not, not right Exactly, and not that
they'll just be like well, thisis what you need to do.
You've got to go do this, butwe'll really bring you to a spot
where you can listen to you,your own direction of like, your
own sense of knowing what youneed.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
And they can hear you and hold space for you.
And I've really realized theimportance of just holding space
.
It's not always about givingadvice, it's not always about
giving resources.
Sometimes it's about holdingspace so people can verbally
process and get to those placeson their own.
And I think until we do that,we don't truly honor the change.
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We don't truly honor the change.
Yes, you know, we don't trulyhonor our own intuition until
we're able to process and getthere on our own.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yes, that is what I say is the most important thing
that I do for people is holdspace for them in their own
healing journeys.
So, yes, with the work that I do, it tends to uncover and bring
up those things, cover and bringup those things and then and
some people they like see it andthey're like I can hold space
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for myself and they're going togo and and and process through
and do their work outside of thefour walls that I work in.
So many people they get toprocess right there.
Right, I'm not a counselor, butthey are welcome to process
through and talk through theirstuff and if it feels like
they're getting stuck, then I'mgoing to connect them with the
counselor.
Right, and even sometimes thenyou get that quick.
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So if massage is triggeringstuff, if the body work is
pulling stuff up and theperson's not in a space that
they can process it on their own, that's why we bring the
psychotherapist in the room formassage therapy, so that when
the stuff is getting triggered,when it's coming up in the body,
the psychotherapist is there tohelp them navigate it, so that
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they're not getting stuck, sothat they're not taking
themselves off in inside tracks,so that they have resolution
with it.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
And they're not judging themselves for it.
No right, because sometimes wecan judge ourselves by what
comes up, not not so that theyhave resolution with it and they
can release themselves.
No right, because sometimes wecan judge ourselves by what
comes up?
oh, so much you know, it's likeoh my gosh I had emotion about
this and I just I shouldn't havefelt that way, or I should have
felt, and it's like stop, justobserve it.
Yes, you know right, try toprocess it.
Yeah, but do it from a place ofunconditional love and
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non-judgment, and that that goesfor ourselves especially, and
other people.
Yes, and I think that that's aplace.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
That's where the safe place begins.
Yes, putting judgment onemotion is one of our biggest
hangups, so that's a lot of whatI tell people to do in my space
Feel it Right, let yourselffeel it, lean into it and feel
it, because that's when itreleases.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yes, because you know , I think, generations before
you know.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
because we're to be seen and not heard, you know
people went to war and came backand didn't talk about anything.
And the Great Depression youknow, there was just a lot of
generational things that held usback.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
But I feel like we're really opening that door now
and making it more of a sacredopen space.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Do you think this is something that I just recently,
sort of has been hitting me init right now especially is kind
of putting this together.
Do you think there's an elementthat, as a population, we
needed?
The neurotoxins, all of thethings to take us to the edge,
to make us stop and look at theemotional stuff?
Speaker 1 (54:00):
A hundred percent.
I feel like that's a lot ofwhat the whole pandemic thing
was about, too Right.
Like most of the people I knowthat have gone through extreme
life changes.
All happened around that time.
Yes, it takes something extreme.
Yes, whether it be a war,whether it be a pandemic,
whether it be Something thattakes us to the edge things that
are taking us to the edge ofwhether it's illness, whether
(54:21):
it's gratification or success,even or quote, success to
realize this isn't what I want.
Things need to shift, thingsneed to change.
I have everything I've everwanted and needed.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Like things need to shift.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Things need to change , like I have everything I've
ever wanted and needed.
However, why do I feel so emptyinside?
Yeah, you know, and I thinkthat it's really given us a lot
of introspective time to shiftand reprioritize, yes, and
redefine.
What does success really meanLike?
For me, success is being rested.
(54:56):
It's, you know, havingintentional time with the people
that I care about.
It's honoring my body, my mindand my spirit.
It's, you know, feelingaccomplished at the end of the
day, but not in an egoic way.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
You know it's feeling fulfilled and purposeful, you
know and it has nothing to dowith money, and it has nothing
to do with you know the drivethat it used to be so nonstop.
And I look back and I'm likeGod, bless your soul.
No wonder you have no adrenals,yes, which you know that's
right, and that's what makes meagain come back to.
(55:36):
I'm so grateful to be able todo something that I'm so
passionate about, like if Ididn't need an income, I'd still
do what I do.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Oh 100%.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Like if I fell into a tremendous amount of money, I
would still be doing what I'mdoing, because it's what I meant
to do.
It is, it is just, it just is.
And that's this beautiful,beautiful gift, right when we
can find those things that bringus so much purpose and so much.
That's not about things, it'snot about money, it's it's not
(56:09):
about survival.
It is about thriving and it'sabout bringing more.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
Right and adding to that collective consciousness.
Yes, yes and just helpingpeople become more physically
and emotionally aware.
Yeah, oh, yeah, oh my gosh,thank you so much for the work
you do on.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
I feel like we could talk for hours.
I know, I know I really do.
We could.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
You know.
So if our listeners want tofind you and your work, so my
personal website islevitawellcom.
And I will link that into ourpodcast.
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So, yeah, that has my personal website and my
personal contact.
It may be on MindBodyMedicineof Florida as well, okay, but
you can find me by any of thosethings.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
I just don't want to get too confused because we
didn't hit on that a lot.
But if they specifically wantto after hearing what you're
doing, the wonderful work thatyou do, and want to experience
that on their own.
I want them to be able toconnect with you.
For sure, but don't expect anappointment tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
She books out.
Yes, and just in general, ifyou want to book a massage or
hair appointment.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
just know, give yourself some time.
Yes For the quality.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Right, and that's.
That's the thing, and and thereality of it is, though, my
schedule was not always bookedout as far as it is, but the
more people that find me, thefurther out it gets booked.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
And um it is a wonderful thing, and it's, and I
love them.
Yes, schedule a monthly.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Right, and it's, it's just such a yeah, it's such a
gift.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
You're welcome and thank you, I'm so.
I'm just so excited howeverything flowed today.
And I love how we got to shareall of the wonderful work that
you do, and plus a little more.
You know in depth of ourperspectives of everything.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
So thank you, thank you so much, wanda, thank you, I
love you, dear, I love whatyou're doing and you're just a
lovely friend.
Thank you.
It's a beautiful connection.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yes, it is Grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Same, same same.
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