Thriving in Fitness, Wellness & Balance with Liz Lowe

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When Liz Lowe first opened Scorch Fitness in 2015, with a passion and intention for impacting our community she was in for a pleasant surprise. Fast forward to today, and she’s not just managing but thriving, offering a space that welcomes everyone from youth athletes to seniors. Liz shares her insights on building muscle as a form of anti-aging and personalizing workouts to meet various goals. Our conversation touches on the vital art of balancing professional aspirations with family life, community involvement and finding what works for our individual needs.

 I also share my journey navigating the complexities of health and wellness after turning 40, particularly the impact of hormone levels on energy and mood. Regular hormone testing has become essential, and through resources, I’ve learned to advocate for my health more effectively. This discussion is enriched with personal stories about overcoming mental health challenges through exercise, highlighting the importance of joy in movement and fostering a healthy relationship with fitness.

We also explore the ever-evolving landscape of nutrition and health trends, from the basics of macronutrients to the nuances of cyclical eating for women. The episode doesn't shy away from addressing the potential pitfalls of quick-fix weight loss solutions like synthetic peptides, instead advocating for consistent healthy habits. Moreover, we reflect on the empowerment of youth through fitness programs, emphasizing the importance of building resilience and mental strength alongside physical health. Listen in for practical advice, personal anecdotes, and a fresh perspective on achieving a balanced and fulfilling lifestyle.

Thank you for joining me today. Please know that this podcast and the information shared is not to replace or supplement any mental health or personal wellness modalities provided by practitioners. It’s simply me, sharing my personal experiences and I appreciate you respecting and honoring my story and my guests. If something touched your heart please feel free to like, share and subscribe. Have a beautiful day full of gratitude, compassion and unconditional love.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of
Crystal Clear.
Today I have the Liz Lowe,owner and fitness guru of Scorch
Fitness in Sarasota.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome, liz.
Thank you for having me, you'rewelcome.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
So yeah, I feel like where did we begin?
I think you called me a longtime ago.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
When you very first opened the gym.
What year was that?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
That was.
I probably called you in 2015.
We opened December 23rd of 2015.
Yeah, so, yeah, that was our,and I definitely called you, I
think, right well before weopened.
Yeah, because Nikki.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, love her, miss connections of Sarasota.
But yeah, that was definitely aspace in time where I was going
batshit crazy.
I had just blended my childrentogether and I was working for
Girls Inc and I was surroundedby children all day.
And I'm like I can't addanything else to my plate,
although, thinking back, I'mlike that probably would have
been the best thing for me thenat that point in time, because
it would have kept me connectedto my fitness roots.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, and get you that reprieve of being with
adults and only adults, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, we actually were just chatting before we
jumped on.
I feel like I'm just I'm a maidfor adult interaction, for more
so than I am, child interaction, even though I love my children
, but I also yeah need my adults.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's funny that you say that, because I feel like,
as moms, we're not supposed tosay that I don't give a shit.
It's like we're built for,we're built to have children.
I'm like, oh my God, I havethis thing and I don't know what
to do.
And now I have these stepthings and I don't know what to
do and I'm like and it's okay,right.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
So you're blended out as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're blended now too .
And you have what?
How old are your blends?
So the bonus, the bonus kids,the bonus boys are 19 and 21.
Okay, so you think that it'slike, yeah, they're off on their
own?
No, that is not how the worldworks.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, we just, I think, our news that our oldest
will probably be sticking aroundfor a couple more years.
We're not sure, for sure, butit's like okay.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, so, yeah.
So you and I are in the sameboat where it's like, okay, so
we're dealing with likepreschool age and adult teenage
age.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, you're missing that 15, 16.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I don't have the middle, you have a middle
person a middle human.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'll just keep sending my daughter to SCORCH,
so you get your dose of that.
But you do get your dose ofthat because you do a lot of
youth programs and stuff in thecommunity.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
So tell us a little bit about SCORCH for those
viewers, listeners, that aren'tas familiar as us Sarasotians
are.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Of course.
So SCORCH is a high-intensityinterval training gym, but the
biggest thing is that theworkouts can be modified for
each person based on their goals, ability levels and then injury
history.
So my degree is in sportsmedicine.
I've literally been doing this,and only this, for my entire
career.
I literally started writingworkout programs when I was 16
years old for a chain ofphysical therapy clinics, and

(02:45):
here I am, 36 years old, stillwriting exercise programs.
So we do strength andconditioning.
So you're going to getendurance, strength and power in
every single workout.
But again, it's modifiable.
So we have people who are likeyour daughter, who are playing
lacrosse and they're coming intotheir teams, and then we have
people in their 80s who arecoming in because they have hip
replacements, knee replacementsor they're just trying to age

(03:07):
gracefully.
So we really have a little bitof everybody.
But the big premise is we'dlove to teach weightlifting and
teach the art of resistancetraining and knowing that
everyone can do it at any age,because building muscle is like
the number one thing for antiagingaging.
You can take as manysupplements as you want, but if
you don't have muscle in yourbody, your body is not going to

(03:28):
age as well as it could.
So that's kind of the biggestthing that we push is let's
build some muscle, let's make itso that your long term looks
wonderful.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I love that.
That's a perfect explanation,and you're the one person that I
send everyone to.
Well, I have this problem.
I'm like you know what.
I would love to answer yourquestions, but I don't have the
time and space for that rightnow.
So, listen, because you're sointentional about it, though,
and because you realize andyou've realized all along
through your own journey is,we're all built differently.
Our needs are different.
Like, my workout's gonna lookdifferent than your workout.

(04:00):
My daughter's workout is goingto look different than her
teammates workout.
The 80 year old's workout isgoing to look different than 35
year old's workout in the sameclass.
So the fact that.
So tell us a little aboutbecause I really love the way
that you format your exercises,kind of how the structure of the
program works, cause you do youstill do online programming.
Do you still have your app.
Yeah, we still have the app aswell.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
So, um, uh, there's this word in training that some
people may have heard and somepeople have no idea what it is,
but it's called periodization.
So whenever you periodize yourtraining program, it means that
you are overloading anddeloading, meaning that you are
taking times where you'reactually purposely stressing
your body out more than itshould be, and then you're
deloading, taking away stress,and the reason we do that is

(04:42):
because we don't ever want toplateau, but we also don't want
to overtrain.
You want to find this happymedium in your training.
So you always need to bestressing your body out to a
point and then taking it backand letting it rest and recover.
When you rest and recover,you're now at a new starting
point.
You're now at.
You're now more conditioned,you're now stronger and now you
can stress yourself out a littlebit more.

(05:02):
Exercise is stress.
Whether we like it or not, it'sa good stress.
Hopefully, some people take itto an extreme, since it's a bad
stress, but it's a stressnonetheless.
We've all been there.
So because of that, we actuallyhave to again periodize or
create periods of change in ourtraining programs.
So that's one of the thingsthat we do at Scorch.

(05:22):
I do that on a year, like a yearscale.
So it's a year long trainingprogram that's periodized and
each week has a focus, eachmonth has a focus, and then on
the daily we train total body.
And the way that we can do thatis do total body every day as
we train in something calledkinetic chains of motion.
So you have the front of thebody, the anterior chain, the

(05:43):
back of the body, the posteriorchain, and the side of the body,
the lateral chains, and if yougo back to high school science,
you learned about potentialenergy and kinetic energy.
So you have stored energy andmoving energy.
Well, we want to move theenergy throughout our body in a
safe and effective way.

(06:04):
The cool thing about training inchains of motion is it always
teaches your core to connectwith the rest of the body.
So that's where people getinjured is because we do these.
I did lower body and then I didupper body and then I did core
on a different day and we'renever really teaching the body
to work as one functional unit.
And so that's what we do atScorch, is we teach the body to
work as one functional unit.
So if you are just a weekendwarrior and want to go out and
play pickleball, or I'verecently taken up pickleball.

(06:25):
I'm not very good at it, butthere's a lot of rotational
stuff in it.
But or go out and do a 5k or doa mud race or just chase your
kids around.
The risk of injury decreasesmajorly the way to go.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I feel like being in this industry.
For what?
Over 20 years now too.
It's like I've done theinjuries, I've done the
isolations and dated thebodybuilders in college.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I didn't know what the hell they were.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
everybody Always like I never felt like it was quite
right, yeah, until I startedtraining, like exactly what
you're talking about.
And one thing that peoplealways skip is the lateral
change.
Yeah, like, why aren't weworking our serratus anterior?

(07:15):
Why aren't we doing the sideplanks?
Why aren't we doing the leglifts?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I love that.
Yeah, that you mentioned that,because it's so important.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Right the way I explain it.
When someone comes in, I'm like, okay, so when's the last time
you side shuffled down thesidewalk?
They're like what I'm likeexactly?
We move front to back all daylong and if anything, we really
just move front.
So we're so anterior chaindominant that we theoretically
should be training the posteriorchain four times as much as the
anterior chain, because we'rein an anterior dominant society.
We're always looking down,we're always texting, we're

(07:44):
always walking forward.
Everything we do is in front ofus.
So the muscles on the backsideof the body get neglected.
That's when we see poor posture, that's when we see low back
pain, that's when we seeshoulder impingement issues.
No, acetal syndrome, sorry,it's funny, but that's where it
is.
And then you see, my favoriteis like okay, well, I have
sciatica.

(08:05):
Okay, I see it all the timebecause people are sitting all
the time.
But surprisingly, a lot of thatcan come from like glute, med
and piriformis issues, from nothaving lateral stabilizers and
like tight hip flexors and tightTFL.
Yes, yeah, but all thattightness a lot of the times is
guarding, it's guarding forother weak things.
So I say, like, start traininglaterally, train your posterior
chain, forget about youranterior chain for a little bit

(08:27):
if you, even, if you need to, ifyou don't have the time.
But yeah, it's crazy how manyinjuries I see that can be fixed
with like a couple like stupidband exercises.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
So yeah, I love it.
Yeah, your workouts are fun,the environment is fun.
So tell us a little bit about,like, your online situation,
like cause, I see that you'vethrown.
You know who is banging afterdoing your program is 2D.
Okay, 2d is a friend that we gothrough, go to for all things
sexy.
I did actually do a podcastwith her.

(08:58):
She's a boudoir photographerbut she looks amazing.
She is crushing it.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm super proud of her.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, and it started with one of your workouts, yep,
and that was online right, yep,so she does.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
She has the app.
Okay, so she's someone who'salways, I mean, like she was a
great collegiate athlete, Right,like and so, and she's got a
banging body Right.
But her biggest thing and who'strying to like actually like
get in shape or lose weight forthe first time and keep it off,
is that she found a way to beconsistent, right.
So, yeah, she has the scorchapp and she goes and does the

(09:30):
scorch workouts and she does hertotal body and I got her doing
like sprint work and all thatkind of stuff.
It's awesome.
She has the best legs.
Yeah, she does.
She really.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, every everything .
We're just gonna sit here whenshe listens.
We're like sarah.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
We're such a stalker, Sarah we're just going to talk
about you the entire time, Iknow right.
And I'm losing my voice.
I have a breathy voice to talkabout her it's perfect.
It's perfect, but her biggestthing was finding something that
she could get done in a goodamount of time that worked with,
like kid drop off running herown business, like having a
social life and all that kind ofstuff, and so consistency and

(10:04):
finding something that works foryou and your schedule is really
the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So it yeah, the scorch workout could give you
technically the best results,but if you're not going to do it
, then you're not going to getany results Right and you're not
going to eat enough food to dowhat you're doing with your body
and that was my biggest thingfor a long time, even though I
knew better, and I think that'shonestly why I went to college,
for what I went to college foris to educate myself out of my
unhealthy habits.
Yeah, all of them.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
And it's okay.
I mean, here we are, we're inthe industry and we know all
this stuff and we still haveunhealthy habits.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, everyone does.
It's the brain, it just bitesus all the time.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I'm actually kind of loving my Pilates era right now.
Yes, so I'm loving my littlePil, because they do a lot of
the same thing you're talkingabout Like every day is total
body.
It's something a littledifferent, but I feel better
because high intensity for me.
My cortisol levels are likethrough the roof and then I got
to the point where I wasn't evenproducing it anymore.
So it's like then it just shutdown, like, okay, I just turned
40 and it just shut down, but itdoes it does, and that's just

(11:01):
something we're not tested foron a regular basis, like we
should be tested for this whenwe go for annual physicals.
Like even our children likeguarantee you they're not ADHD
or maybe they have thosesymptoms, but I guarantee you
their cortisol levels arethrough the roof and they're
fight or flight and they can'tconcentrate because of that.
That was my problem.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Like it's crazy.
It's all of a sudden you havelike ADHD when you've never had
it before.
Yeah, and it's like you knowyou should totally have like
Mika and Michelle from WellnessRealm on here.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh my God, I would.
Yeah, that would be great.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So that was one of the things that I did.
So I feel like when you're inthis industry for this long,
like you're human and you willgo through things.
And so I've gone through timesof like extreme fatigue, feeling
like why is my body fighting me?
Maybe it didn't look like it onthe outside right, but it was
going on internally.
So you're supposed to be thislike super, like excited

(11:49):
motivator all the time, a sourceof inspiration.
You really just want to sit inyour bed, meet gummy bears and
ben and jerry's and you know, Ikind of remember that face for
you.
Yeah, I did that that was me Iwas like.
So I had some gummy bears forbreakfast and then I went to my
gym to inspire the 130 peoplewho walked in the door that day.
So but now that I am older andhonestly have the ability to and

(12:14):
the resources to do thesethings, now that was one of the
big things is, I started my gymwhen I was 26 years old and I
was dead broke, like I hadnothing.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Like I took out a loan and was like I have nothing
to lose, I have no kids, nonothing.
Like I was poor and like andyou remember those days, Happy
10 year anniversary, by the way.
So it's nine.
Nine years officially, but likeI had to take out the loan a
year before, Okay, but yeah, so10 years, anyway.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
So we're approaching 10 years, 10 years since I put
it all on the line.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
But now, one of the things that I invest in is I do
my blood work.
Every three months, I look atmy full.
I do look at hormones, I lookat, and so when I say hormones,
I'm looking at cortisol as ahormone, by the way.
So, I'm looking at estrogen,progesterone, I'm looking at
testosterone, I'm looking atcortisol levels, igf-1, all

(13:07):
these different things that wedon't do in our normal when we
go to our primary and ask forour blood work.
And it's been so eye-openingfor me because not only has it
helped me obviously stay inshape and feel better, but it's
helped me have more energy to dothings with my
three-and-a-half-year-olddaughter.
It's helped me to have lessmood swings and want to kill my
significant other for absolutelynothing.
Stop breathing, and we all gothrough that.

(13:29):
And so that's where it's likeone of those things where it's
like getting data and I'm a datafreak, and so the fact that I
can go every three months andsee all these things and see, ok
, are my supplements working?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
OK, last time I went they weren't, and so I need to.
What do I need to change up?
Like I'm doing similar things.
It's like I realized I have theMTF MTFHR gene, like I wasn't
metabolizing my B vitamins.
I'm taking a shit ton of Bvitamins, you know.
So it's just we don't get thisinformation unless we seek it
out.
So so tell us your resource forthat, because I always love to
give resources.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
So tell us your resource for that, because I
always love to give resources.
I go to Wellness Realm.
It's on 41.
It's right next to Trader Joe's.
I see Michelle Gratton and MikaSchur.
They own it.
They're wonderful.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Okay and do they do like virtual clients and things
like that.
They do virtual as well.
Awesome, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ineed to go see them.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
They're awesome.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, I need.
I think you gave me theirnumber last little dinner we had
.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
They're just good people and they get it.
Yeah, so they help you.
Be an advocate for your health,right.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Great.
So you know what questions toask when you do go to different
doctors and specialists, becauseit's like there's no one size
fits all for any person.
It's like you kind of have tomix and mingle and choose your
battles and all that.
So let's back it up a littlebit and tell us what inspired
you to do all this.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like we've talked about everything you're doing
now, but like, how did thatdevelop inside of little Liz?
Oh, little Liz had severeanxiety.
I had a stomach ulcer at theage of 10 because of my anxiety,
like severe anxiety from a very, very young age, um which, if
you've had severe anxiety a lotof the times you can, you know
it turns into depression justbecause you're not able to
handle those emotions.
And hormonally, yeah.

(15:13):
So as a teenager, um, and thiswas I was someone who was very
active just because that was mycoping mechanism, same active
just because that was my copingmechanism.
So I feel like I kind of justfound exercise as a way to cope
with what my brain was doing allthose times.
So I am diagnosed OCD, like thereal OCD, like, not just like

(15:36):
it's crazy.
Yeah, when someone's like, oh, Ilike how things organized, I'm
like nope, I have intrusivethoughts that will literally
take my brain over.
So exercise was like the thingthat made me feel better, and
that was literally from the ageof like 8, 9, 10, 11.
So I was always in sports.
I figured out very early onthat I wanted to do something in

(15:57):
the sports medicine space, so Idid.
What every normal high schoolgirl does is get up at 5 o'clock
in the morning to do mytraining so that I could then go
work at a physical therapyclinic after school.
So that's not normal, by theway.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Sounds normal to me, but we had a very similar.
We had a very similar thing andalso, too.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It's like we had.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
When you have, like home situations where you don't
necessarily feel safe, you lookfor those like outlets that make
you feel safe and purposefuland like places to go, and
you're a nerd, like I am, withthis stuff, so it's like you
want to, you want to learn, youwant to take in this information
I know for me and I don't knowI I didn't grow up around a lot

(16:39):
of people that I found had a lotof integrity and I knew that I
wanted to be different, likelove.
My family did the best theycould with the tools they had,
but I like to surround myselfwith people that I felt had the
drive, the motivation.
They stuck with their word.
They did what they said, whatthey were going to do, and

(16:59):
gravitated towards that.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, no, 100%.
So that's kind of where itstarted.
Again, I've never done anythingelse in my life other than what
I do right now.
You love it?
Yeah, I do love it, Iabsolutely love it and so.
But yeah, it started with.
It started because of anxietyand depression, and that was my
way.
I never was on any medicationsas a kid.
I don't know that my symptomswere even taken seriously enough

(17:23):
by adults in my life.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Well, it's kind of like that generation.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's like, oh, suck it up, buttercup You're fine,
exactly, oh like, oh, they're,they're, they're lashing out,
they're just a problem child.
They have anger issues, theyhave aggression.
So I was in anger managementwhen I was younger, like anger
management.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Right.
And what was the approach?
Not to interrupt you, but whatwas the approach at those anger
managements Like, how did theythink to say, like what's home
life, like Like what is, oh, no,never Do you feel safe?
So, who's teaching theseclasses?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I'm just intrigued, it was wild.
I just remember I mean, I wasyoung I think I started when I
was like 12, 11, 12 in thosetypes of therapy sessions.

(18:19):
So those are hormones alsosplitting up during that time
and and I was well aware ofeverything going on we moved
states like all this kind ofstuff.
But it's interesting becausewhen you go into, when I went
into, therapy, I just rememberthinking I'm going to manipulate
this therapist, not likethemselves either.
That's what I thought about inanger management.

(18:40):
No part of me never was angry.
If anything, I just redirectedmy anger at the therapist.
Right, there was never.
I never felt safe with thatadult.
That adult was always like okay, well, why did you do this bad
thing?
You know that's bad.
I'm like well, duh, I know it'sfucking bad, like what?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
are you what judge?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
yeah, like, maybe get to the root of it I remember
they wanted me to make a collageone day and I was like and like
.
They wanted me to cut out umthings out of a magazine to just
like put my feelings down.
I cut out the words like killand death and all this stuff,
just to piss them off.
Like I was the most, like Inever like went out and tried to
start fights, like it was notthat type of like anger, it was

(19:13):
like yelling.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
But I was like fuck this, I'm not gonna this is like
a 12 year old girl.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So I look back I'm like no wonder I love
deadlifting by the age of 13.
And so it's crazy what we doand you and I talked about this
before we even started aboutjust with like teenagers and
stuff and how, like there's nocoping skills anymore.
That taught me coping skills?
Like there was no social media,there was nothing for me to

(19:38):
Google, there was no like Ididn't have the internet.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Right, thank God, I kind of love that we didn't have
that when we were that age.
We're that yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
And so it's so crazy to think that, like that
actually made me a stronger,better, more formed person and
I'm able to handle, I'm able tosee when someone's really
looking out for me or whensomeone doesn't have my back and
they're just checking a boxright and so, and I, it taught,
taught me to go look and solvemy problems and and're just
checking a box Right and so, andI, it taught, taught me to go
look and solve my problems andand be like wait, you know, I

(20:08):
want to feel better, so I'mgoing to, I'm going to go for a
run, I'm going to research asmuch as I can on nutrition, I'm
going to go to the library andlook at books and learn those
types of things, and so ittaught me to navigate life, and
so I'm so happy that it didhappen.
Right, but I couldn't imagineWell, I can't imagine I have a
kid and I hang out with kids allthe time, like with training,

(20:30):
like I feel so bad for thembecause what you and I learned
how to do, which makes ussuccessful today, doesn't exist
anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I know it's a little scary.
I mean we have three teenagers,you and I have what?
Reese is three and a half.
Yeah, Rudy is almost five.
It's a really scary world thatwe live in for them.
So I would really love to hearyour observations not judgments,
obviously, but observations of,like, the teenagers that are

(20:57):
coming in.
How are you seeing, you know,their ability to adapt, their
ability to take constructivefeedback, their ability to you
know?
I mean, my daughter playslacrosse and she had some
feedback from some things hercoaches said and I was like,
well, it sounds to me like theywant you guys to put in a little
more effort.
You know it doesn't like are youtaking it personally because

(21:20):
you know you weren't putting inthe effort Like this?
Isn't like if she grew up withany of my coaches.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh God, we'd be screamed at.
Are you kidding?
We'd be like belittled,screamed at like no water for
you Not that Russian gymnastcoaches were at all sugarcoating
.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I will tell you that.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
But yeah, it's interesting, because what I've
noticed, though, and I will say,and like in your daughter, as I
can already see it as she goesthrough high school is gonna be
a little powerhouse in her ownshe's just in her freshman stage
, oh and I think she likes it.
I think she, almost I think shelikes being like the vulnerable
, like I'm new here, like, butI'm probably right about that

(21:58):
like I'm like it's her andmaddie, but we're just freshmen.
I'm like, okay, um, I love them.
What I've noticed is is thatthere is a major, major
difference in teenage kids thatI've worked with.
That because I've worked withteams, but I've also worked with
kids who are not on any sort ofteams right and uh like what's

(22:19):
community sort of?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
yeah, what we did with working with Girls.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Inc.
And Boys and Girls Club andthat kind of stuff, and what I
found is that, no matter what,across the board kids have more
anxiety now than ever before.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
They're stimulated all the time.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes, they're comparing themselves to things
that don't exist.
Yeah, and social media on?
That's not happening.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Which is hard enough when we were kids, because
everyone does that at that age,yep, but now it's like all in
front of them and it's just suchlike a 10 second attention span
to everything.
Yeah, which freaks me out.
Yeah, it's traumatizing.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So the youth, the teens that I've worked with that
play sports have such bettercoping mechanisms and grit and
tenacity than the ones who arenot, because all at least
they're getting out and there's.
They can't have their phonewhen they're out playing
lacrosse.
They're gonna get hit in thehead with something yeah, like
it's just how it works sothey're being forced to push

(23:19):
through when things areuncomfortable.
Right, the rest of the worldthat isn't playing sports.
What are they doing?
To get out of their comfortzones?
And I think that getting out ofthe comfort zone is what
decreases that anxiety, whichteaches the grit, the tenacity,
the problem solving that we hadto do.
And so that's where it's likethe girls who are in the sports.

(23:41):
Yeah, in the beginning theymight be a little timid and
stuff Right, but after six weeks, eight weeks, like it's such a
confidence booster.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, it's like someone like I was telling when
she was trying out for lacrosseand she thought she had to run
the 5K.
Well, she didn't really have torun the 5K, by the way, but I
love that we trained for it.
Anyway, you're gonna have toget over that home slice, like

(24:12):
find something pretty, yeah, torun towards, like find a cloud
and run towards it.
But she gets so much betterwhen you're not looking at the
ground.
She did it she did it.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah she.
She has grit, she has tenacity,she has the ability to be
uncomfortable, and that's whatlife is.
It's life is literally, andthat's why I love, that's why we
talked about the deadlifteffect yes, oh yeah, we're
getting to that.
I love it but that's why, likeyou, have to do hard things,
because then the rest of lifejust gets easier that's the only
reason I'm alive.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, like for multiple reasons, but because,
like you, like, I grew up havinglike I knew physically I needed
to move my body and I realizedI could shape my body and
transform my body like, and itfelt good, like I felt like my
energy level changed, my brainchemistry changed, like it just
got me through so much of lifeand still does.
I think that was part of myproblem.

(25:02):
This past weekend I got homefrom a big trip.
You know, everyone came home,everyone kind of had the
stuffies.
I was like, well, I'll justhave a rest weekend.
I'm going to go fucking batshit crazy on someone.
I'm like I'm going to lose it.
That's when we rage.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Taking a walk.
This is why we over train soeasily.
Rest equals rage, right?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Well, so it's finding that balance and like I've had
my three days of normalcy thisweek and it's like, wow, I
really just missed my routineand again it goes back to that
consistency we were talkingabout.
It's like finding somethingthat works for you and not just
hopping around and doing all thethings, because I think my
entire life I've had to work onimpulse control.
But the one thing I'mconsistent with is exercise

(25:41):
Period, thank God, not my waterdrinking, not even my eating.
All the time.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I'm so bad at drinking water.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
We do have water, but we're going to have to hide the
label if we drink it.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
If I continue to lose my voice, I have to hide the
label.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm really good at drinking water, apparently when
I travel, I drink so much wateron my trip to Arizona because I
felt like for some reason, I wasgoing to die.
I was in the desert.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
But I'm like I need to drink this much water at home
.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think it's a travel thing, because I'm I'm like
where's that?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh, I haven't watered in four hours, that's because
we are overstimulated.
But we choose to beoverstimulated, that's true.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
That's true.
So the deadlift effect, thedeadlift effect.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Let's talk about the deadlift effect.
All right, so it's like adeadlift.
A deadlift is literally pickingup dead weight off the ground.
So and it's something that Iknow works, because I've seen it
work over the last 20 yearsthat I've been doing this and I
feel like a lot of self helpbooks and podcasts and programs

(26:54):
and courses and they give youall these 9,000 things that you
have to do to be happy and levelup your life.
So I always like to break itdown to the one thing that you
can do today.
And the one thing that you cando today is go lift some weights
, like get physically stronger.
You will be so surprised at how, all of a sudden, you're making
stronger decisions for yourself.

(27:14):
You are stronger in yourfinances, in your relationships,
you get to know yourself better.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
It's like life gets easier when you get physically
stronger, right, 100%.
I mean, we're both products ofthat and I've had to do it in
multiple rounds, and so I thinkthis is something actually, now
that we're talking about this,so it's something that I feel
like I identified with a certaintype of strength for so long
from being an athlete, frombeing a fitness instructor, from

(27:45):
having these like highintensity workouts all the time,
teaching high intensity all thetime.
I had to like let go of theidentification of that working
through my new 40-year-oldhormones and this new stage of
life with, you know, four kidsand you know a business and
another business and a husbandthat has a big business, you

(28:05):
know, and all these other things.
Like my clock is alreadyticking fast before I even get
out of bed.
So if I get out of bed and gointo a high-intensity workout
and I'm not trainingappropriately and I'm not or
eating enough, yeah, fuelingmyself appropriately.
My body's not going to know thedifference if I'm running from a
tiger or if I'm trying to dosomething healthy, exactly, and

(28:28):
that's one of the biggest thingsthat I like to stress.
So I've really had to shedlayers of I'm going to walk to
Pilates and sometimes I make ita seven mile walk and that's
okay.
Yeah, I'm not.
Sometimes I add some sprintintervals and it's a three mile
walk, and but I know my body andso what I've tried to shape now

(28:48):
is like waking up, like how amI going to move myself today?
Yep, and it's not punishment,it's because I want to do what
makes me feel good in this era,not because I have to, not
because I feel like I should bedoing it.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's because that, genuinely, is what makes me feel
good yep, yeah, no 100 and uh,for instance, like pilates,
that's, that's resistancetraining, that's getting
stronger?
Yeah, it's, and you're nowbecause of how strong you were
or in.
Are you're still able to makethose decisions for yourself
because there's no ego involvedin it?
Right, the ego in the fitnessindustry is the most ridiculous

(29:19):
thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I can't, it is wild.
Wild.
I mean, well, it's the onething you're taught.
It's all about the way you look, yeah, and it's like one thing
that Fs with us more thananything, and it's just, it's
not about that at all.
That's where everyone's like,oh, you have the perfect body
for a fitness competition or afigure cup.
I'm not doing that.
No offense to all of you whowork really hard to do it.

(29:41):
I am not standing on stage inbikinis so someone can judge me.
I do that enough myself.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
And that's a sport in itself.
It is For that individualperson.
So it's if you love to dosomething, you don't have to
justify it to the next person,if you truly love it.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Right and I actually coached figure and fitness
competitors.
So did I and I loved it and Iwas so excited for them and I
would go to their stuff and Iloved it for them.
I could personally never do itand I was so excited for them
and I would go to their stuffand I loved it for them.
I could personally never do itand it was funny because I
actually trained for one when Ifirst moved down here and sick
shape did all the boiled eggsand broccoli and disgusting

(30:27):
plain chicken and it wasterrible and I got pneumonia
like three weeks before and I'mlike, okay, it's not meant for
me, yeah, it's not meant for me.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, it's not meant for me, because you're amused,
because I'm an and also right,and I was also an extremist.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I knew if I got down to this like way I was supposed
to look with the history ofeating disorder and things that
I went through as a kid, it justit wasn't meant for me, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, and that's another thing in in the fitness
industry that I've noticed with,because I've trained literally
tens of thousands of peopleRight, and, unfortunately,
because of my OCD, I remembereverything.
So one of the things that Ifound is is that I've had to
train disordered eating out ofthe majority of my female
clients, a hundred percent.
And it's so sad to me that ourindustry that's supposed to make
us super healthy and superhappy literally does the exact

(31:18):
opposite, right, it gives useating disorders, or so there's
difference between eatingdisorders and disordered eating.
So eating disorders is youranorexia, your bulimia,
diagnosable eating disorders.
Disordered eating is we becomeinfatuated and hyper focused on
certain foods that we're eating,right, and so that's where it's
like, well, a meal sits downand like you're trying to count

(31:40):
your calories in your head andthat's all that you're thinking
about.
Or you're thinking about theevent that you have to go to and
oh my god, what am I going toeat those types of situations
all of a sudden, now you're notliving your life and enjoying
your life.
You're focusing on, like food,this thing that's units of
energy, right, it's just likethe gas for your car.
Yeah, it's literally, it's likegas for your body.

(32:01):
The definition of a calorie isliterally the amount of energy
it takes to increase one gram ofwater one degree Celsius.
That's literally it.
So all that means is that everytime you actually put food in
your body and you eat thesecalories, it's actually heating
your body up and increasing yourmetabolism.
Right, it's energy.

(32:21):
Right, it's like a fire, right,yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
so let's talk about that a little bit, because I
think I have a lot of peoplethat you know they listen to
this for various reasons, um,and I always love to get your I
know how.
If you can't tell by now, lizis the ultimate fitness nerd
with everything scientific and Ilove her.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I went to school for a lot of this she did.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yes, but I always love and value your perspective.
So, as far as like macros andbecause it's not a
one-size-fits-all like, I wastalking to my mom and sister
about this my mom's about thesame height, same weight and I
was like, okay, but our activitylevel is different, so I kind
of helped her tailor her stufftowards you know.
So let's talk about that alittle bit and kind of get your

(33:06):
perspective on the importance ofwhat macros to take in when and
why.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yes, so let's just start with the basics.
What macronutrients are?
So we have carbohydrates, wehave fats and we have protein.
Now, those three carbohydrates,two of them do something
similar and then one of themdoes something completely
different.
So protein we're going to startwith that, my favorite
macronutrient.
Actually, I feel like carbsmight be my favorite, I don't
know, but protein helps buildour muscles.
So it is full of somethingcalled amino acids.

(33:33):
Amino acids create these chainsand our body uses those
individual amino acids fordifferent repair things
throughout our body.
So this is where we're going tobe able to repair that muscle
tissue that we broke down, butit's also going to help things
like your heart and your lungsand that kind of stuff we're
always repairing because ourbody is always constantly
breaking down, because we havestress cortisol in our lives.

(33:55):
Cortisol is a hormone.
It's the stress hormone.
It ebbs and flows throughoutthe day, no matter what.
Okay, we need it.
It's actually a healthy thingto have in your body.
Like you, you didn't.
You stopped producing it.
That's bad.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
We don't want that it's back now.
I had to work for that.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So proteins help rebuild.
Then we have carbohydrates andfats.
These are our two energysources for the body.
So we need them because thebody needs energy to do things
like beat your heart or take abreath and or digest something,
or your internal organs usecalories and they use energy.

(34:30):
So carbohydrates are I don'tcare what the keto people say
carbohydrates are the number onesource of energy for the brain.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Healthy carbohydrates .
Healthy carbohydrates.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I'm talking sweet potatoes.
A cupcake technically is a carband a fat combined, so we can't
even put cupcakes in a carbs.
So if you're looking at carbs,you're looking at your potatoes,
your squashes, your rice,vegetables, fruits, those types
of things.
So we need our carbohydrates.
And then we have our fats.
Right, fats are also great forheart health, brain health.
Now the basics of macrosprotein is four calories per

(35:07):
gram, carbs are four caloriesper gram.
Fats are nine calories per gram.
So this is where the macroworld starts to get a little
tricky and why people mightthink that they're sticking to
certain macros and they'reeating low carb, but they're
still gaining weight.
So when you go low carb, greatcool, but you have to make sure
that you're not overeating yourfats the entire time, right, yep
?
So what I prefer to do, insteadof telling people to count

(35:29):
macros, is I like them to doportion sizing with their hands,
yep.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So, yep.
So, at every meal breakfast,lunch, dinner and snack you need
a fist size amount of protein.
My fist and your fist are twodifferent sizes.
Yep, okay, a large 300 poundman is going to have a much
larger fist than me.
They need more protein.
Then breakfast, you get to haveyour carbohydrates.
Why do we do them at breakfast?
Cortisol levels surge 30minutes after 30 minutes of

(35:58):
waking up.
Okay, the only thing thatactually decreases cortisol
levels in the body is theintroduction of carbohydrates
into the bloodstream.
When we have high stress, wecrave sugar, right, okay, that's
a defense mechanism when we eatsugar, we crave more sugar.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
We crave more sugar.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
What we need to be doing is having that sugar with
our protein, right, and when I'mtalking sugar, I am talking
about potatoes, oatmeal, likewhole grain toast, those types
of things, so berries and yogurt, yep, yep.
So the biggest thing is proteinand carbohydrates with your
breakfast.
Then your carbs are only goingto come again if you're

(36:36):
exercising and they're going tocome before and after your
workout.
Other than that, you're havingprotein in every meal, you're
having your healthy fats and youare loading up on veggies Yep,
like loading up like twopalmfuls of veggies at your
lunch and at your dinner.
So if you were not countingmacros but wanting a structure

(36:56):
again, it's a fist-sized amountof protein, a palm-sized amount
of carbohydrates at breakfast.
Then, if you're exercising,it's another palm-sized amount
of carbohydrates before yourworkout and another one after
your workout and a fist-sizedamount of protein.
And then lunch is gonna be afist-sized amount of protein and

(37:18):
two handfuls of veggies and athumb amount of fats.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
This could be cheese, this could be nuts, this could
be avocados, this could be oliveoil, all the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
And then the same goes for dinner.
Dinner and lunch are going tolook exactly the same Fist-sized
amount of protein, tons ofveggies and then your thumb of
fat, okay.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
When people don't realize too that even like super
lean ground beefs and thingslike I mean, they already have
the fats and that's why we say athumb amount of fat you don't
want to have a whole avocado ina burger?
Yeah, because you'reoverloading your fats.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, and some people .
So, if you like, if your doctortells you that, if you have
epilepsy and your doctor tellsyou you need to load up on fats
and do keto, it's a completelydifferent situation.
Right and so, and that's wherethese, that's where people fall
into these diets intermittentfasting, the keto diet, the
paleo diet, all these differentthings is they were created.
Well, not the paleo diet,necessarily, but other diets

(38:10):
were created based on thesediseases and these like
syndromes that people werehaving.
They weren't created for themainstream population to follow
while having a job, while havingkids, while trying to exercise.
It's for very sick peopleTeaching 20 classes a week like
I used to and participating inevery class.
Yeah, it's for sick people whoare bedridden, right, and we

(38:31):
really need to kill off as manycells as possible in their body,
right, so that we can then likerestructure, yeah, so what is
your perspective on intermittentfasting, because I know that
that's that's kind of one ofthose mainstream um topics and
just just curious.
So I'm a fan of intermittentfasting if you're moving your
dinner to earlier but notskipping breakfast.

(38:53):
Yeah so this original studiesof intermittent fasting if
you're moving your dinner toearlier but not skipping
breakfast yeah so the originalstudies on intermittent fasting
were done on mice and rats.
When they did them on humans,it didn't work Right, and that
was actually in the last twoyears that they found that.
So intermittent fasting wasshown to not necessarily be the
best, especially for women,right.
So because Because our hormonesit depends on what time you are
in your cycle especially forwomen, right?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So because Because our hormones.
It depends on what time you arein your cycle, what week in
your cycle.
When I started cycle syncingand learning about that, like
the two weeks, like your lutealphase, and you're not supposed
to fast, you're supposed toactually eat like you're
pregnant, like an extra 100 to300 calories a day, because
that's what your body needs toget ready for the menstruation
cycle.
What your body needs to getready for the menstruation cycle
.
Yeah, but we're not taught thateither.

(39:34):
I had to do a lot of research.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
We are taught to do a lot of things like we are men
with high testosterone levels.
Yeah, because testosterone is asuper cool hormone that makes
it so that, like they can handlestress better, they can put on
muscle better, they can recoverbetter.
It's an anabolic hormone.
It helps your body grow.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Right.
So when they have a 24 hourcycle, we have a 28 to 35 day
cycle depending on the woman.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
It's ridiculous.
It's a whole other topic whenit comes to.
If you're a woman and you'relistening to this, you will see
a noticeable difference in yourenergy levels, in your body
weight, in everything, if youstart adding in breakfast and
actually sinking your mealsrather than fasting with what
people tell you to, fasting withyour circadian rhythm, right.

(40:21):
So when the sun rises you eat,when the sun goes down, you stop
.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
So that's what I do, yeah, and I've just kind of had
to just go with the flow withthat.
Yeah, because I've tried allthe other things, yeah, like,
and I find that I'm starving inthe morning, yeah, but that's
good, yes, that means yourmetabolism.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
So right.
That means you're waking up infat burn.
That means your body is burntthrough everything throughout
the night, and I have a couplebites of overnight oats with
some protein in it, and it'sdelicious.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Do you ever use leo's clean kitchen, do?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
you ever order from them they are fantastic are they
?
I'll have to look at them.
Yeah, they're really.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
So I they have these like coffee energy balls that
are fantastic and they put theirmacros with everything which I
just like to know that I'mgetting enough protein.
So my thing is now I try not tocount, I just need to know that
, like, for me, that fist isabout 20 to 30 grams of protein.
So for me I know that that'skind of what I need to get every
meal A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
And if you're going to track something again, like
if you're someone who can trackwithout becoming obsessive and
like, so be it, track it's thatconsistency, yeah.
It's the consistency in it andit's also not becoming so
obsessed that you're not livingyour life, right, because unless
you are a paid fitness model,right, what's the point?
Like it's like what theseriously it's like people, you

(41:33):
get it, but it's a like whatseriously, it's like people, you
get it, but it's if you reallythink about it.
Like I want to look different,it might not even be better.
I'd want, like people thinkthey'll look better at losing
weight.
Some people look like shit whenthey lose weight.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Old like I feel like when I got like really thin, my
face started to look really olddude I like have been like super
lean.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
People are like are you sick?
Someone asked me if I hadcancer one time I was like oh my
God, I'm like.
No, I'm like, I hope I don't.
Should I go to catch?
me when I don't draw my eyebrowson but like you can, that's, it
literally comes down to it'smalnourishment, right.
So that's where it's like, ifyou're going to become so
obsessed with it, don't do it,don't track it.

(42:13):
You don't need to lose two morepercent body fat unless you are
training for something veryspecific, right, and you have a
very specific goal, and it's agoal that's bringing you money,
bringing you happiness, bringingyou something Like just make
sure that, whatever it is thatyou're training for, because in
your getting rid of all theselike things that you used to
like, right, like make sure it'sfor a reason right well, and

(42:36):
it's fulfilling too, becausewhat do we do we?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
go, we go in the rat race of life and we're chasing
and you know, and adults arejust as guilty of the comparison
and the.
I want to be, I want to looklike this and falling into the
trap of the like, believing allof these false senses of self
that's out there that are realand um.
Which kind of brings me to thenext topic, which is a pretty
hot faux pas topic right now,but I want your opinion on it

(43:00):
because you're very educated andI want to educate others on
these um shots.
Everyone are getting I'm veryintrigued because, as I choke on
my water, or I don't know Ifeel like messing with insulin
levels are like a really greatway to f up your system for life
what it's.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
So what is what is this doing?
It's actually so.
It's affecting your glucagonlevels, is what it is.
So your body creates.
Well, your body secretesinsulin and it also secretes
glucagon.
So when we eat carbohydrates,our body secretes insulin and
insulin sets, grabs, literallytells those carbs go into the
cell and give them energy, andit also secretes glucagon.
So when we eat carbohydrates,our body secretes insulin and
insulin literally tells thosecarbs go into the cell and give
them energy.
It takes those sugars andshoves them into the cell.

(43:43):
When our body's insulin levelsdrop too low, that's when we get
like crave sugar and all thatkind of stuff.
But what ends up happening is,if we don't give it, our body
then secretes glucagon andglucagon raises insulin levels
back up.
So now, all of a sudden, we'renot craving things anymore.
So that's what the shots areactually doing.

(44:03):
They're literally making it sothat the body has synthetic
glucagon and it's making it sothat your body doesn't
necessarily need to get tosecrete insulin because of food
coming in.
So now all of a sudden, you'renot eating, you're not craving,
so you're not having the signalanymore.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So you're just not eating To have sugar.
That's why everyone's losingweight because they're not
eating.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, because their blood sugar levels aren't
dropping.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
So what happens when?
Someone drinks alcohol whenthey're taking this, or they go
back to like this, or they stoptaking it.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, we really don't know yet.
We're going to find out, youguys.
It freaks me out, yeah, sothere's okay.
So there's studies that well,no matter what happens, if
you're not getting in calories,you're going to lose muscle mass
.
When you lose muscle mass, itdecreases your resting metabolic
rate, or the amount of caloriesthat your body can burn at rest
.

(44:59):
In the diabetic population, thiscould be something that could
be beneficial, because theirregulation of insulin doesn't
exist anyways.
So you're already takinginsulin shots, all that kind of
stuff, even legal for people totake it.
It's been around since like the80s, I think is when the
original studies were done on it.
They just found a way to makemoney off of it and it's not

(45:20):
really hurting people.
That being said, I guess thereare some newer studies that show
that microdosing it couldactually be healthy for, but
microdosing is completelydifferent than what's actually
happening.
I know some people who havegone on it and have had such
major side effects like vomiting, nausea, like inability to
function, because they're sosick that they didn't even run

(45:43):
the course of it.
So there are pretty big sideeffects of it.
Okay, I have, I'm trying tothink if I have any know anyone
who had like a true successstory from it.
I want to sit here and besilent for a second because I
really can't.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I don't know.
I mean, I think I have peoplethat I ponder and wonder if
that's what the transformationis all about, but it's really
none of my business and I justworry Just like I mean just like
for our generation, like theBotox and fillers and stuff long
term Like what the hell is thatgoing to do?
Yeah, like, are we not going tobe able to move our face in 30?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
years and everybody again, like our bodies, are all
different.
Everyone's going to handlethings differently.
But it could dysregulatehormone production.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Right.
So I don't know, I think it alljust freaks me out.
Maybe I'm just in my crunchygirl era.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I think this is just like when it comes to like doing
the keto diet.
Like if you have like constantseizures, then maybe the keto
diet is for you.
If you have severe type twodiabetes and you are unable to
exercise because you are at sucha high risk of a heart attack,
maybe GLP-1s and Ozempic typethings are for you Okay, but for

(46:57):
the mainstream person that justneeds to find consistency and
create healthy habits likeyou're not fixing the problem,
this is just another bandaid.
We are the society of band-aidsand, believe me, I love a good
fucking band-aid on shit too.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Sometimes, like I know, sometimes, yeah, I feel
like I'm in my band-aid rip offstage.
You are like I am very much.
I've known the band in theyears that I've known you.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
You're in the like okay, well, we're just gonna
just all in.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, I mean I've done, I've tried everything.
Well, I've never tried the, theshot things, yeah, but I've
tried it all.
I mean I'm gonna try everythingonce, kind of girl.
I just I don't know some ofthis stuff.
Just I think I was maybe justat the stage where it all just
kind of freaks me out, yeah, andI'm like you know what freak
you out call me old, my foreheadwrinkles would be fine like I'm

(47:46):
.
I just I don't know what it'sgonna do to me no longer.
I feel like I would.
I know where it comes from thetanning beds when I was in high
school and the melanoma I hadwhen I was 27, like all the
stupid shit I did, like mypre-melanoma right, like all of
the stuff I did.
I'm starting to see the effectsof that later on and I'm like I
kind of I'm glad I had melanomawhen I was 27 because I feel
like it saved my face.
Yeah, like for the past 15years.

(48:08):
Yeah, so I don't know.
I just I guess my message outthere to you guys is just do
your research.
Do your research and findsomething that's consistent and
accountability partners and justknow that there's options.
Ask the questions.
I just wanted to get yourperspective on that, because
it's just so mainstream rightnow that I just it's just been

(48:29):
thrown out there like okay.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
But it's just like remember when HCG was big for
weight loss, oh like, andeveryone and their mom was
trying it?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
um, yeah, and what was the other one when I was in
college?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
xenoplex oh, like was it like a fedor of fedor, yeah
and so like how did we not haveheart attacks?
This is, we did have heartattacks that's why the fda
pulled it.
The fda literally said no more,it's gone.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I remember having this drink called Redline in the
gym one time.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh my God, I remember those.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I had one before a group exercise fitness.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I was like my first panic attacks came from that
shit when we were in college.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Oh my God, yeah, like oh my God, I don't know how I
survived.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
We had.
I had the jacked 3d pre-workout.
This is after I finishedrunning track in college and I
was like I'm going to be aweightlifter, I'm going to take
these pre-workouts.
It had one three dimethylaminein it or geranium root.
It's also banned now.
I just remember being like thisis what it feels to be
superhuman.
And then all of a sudden, myarms would swell up and get
tingly and I'd have a panicattack and like freak out and

(49:32):
like your lips will like go numband your face start like you
get like a severe niacin flush.
But then it was like jacked upat the same time.
Yeah, it was a lot um we don'tneed that.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
See all the fitness gurus.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
We try all the things we do and but this is how we
learn to educate everyone elsebut that's the in, the way the
industry goes like, okay, thismade us a bunch of money, fda
pulls it.
Okay, moving on to the next one, this made a bunch of money,
fda advised against it.
Like we know, like people say,the fda sucks.
Like they suck because theydon't look into every single
thing, but eventually they doand when they do and it's bad

(50:05):
for you, they'll pull it right.
So, at least when it comes tosports supplements, um and so
and now, so, yeah, so we wentthrough the phases of ephedras
that did work, but people died.
Then we went through the hcgphase, where it worked.
People were only eating 500calories and dysregulated their
metabolisms.
Now we're in a whole nother.
Now we're in injectablepeptides, we're in peptide land

(50:27):
and now we're putting syntheticpeptides into our bodies and
guess what?
It's going to work?
But work.
But what's the catalyst?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
for the next one.
And what happens and this iswhen synthetic anything, when
you're putting somethingsynthetic in your body, your
body will naturally stopproducing that.
So what's going to happen is,if you're doing something
synthetic, you stop doing it.
You realize you want to changeyour life.
Then you're at like up shit'screek without a paddle and
you're not going to produce itanymore.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, so then you're literally having to figure out
like your meal timing's got tobe on point.
You're probably wearing a bloodglucose monitor to see if your
body is like stimulating insulinor not.
Um which?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
what was that thing?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
we blew the lumen yeah, I think it was pretty cool
.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I think it's still cool yeah, do you still use
yours?
I?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
don't use mine, just I don't track anything anymore.
Yeah, same like, we just chasekids around and yeah, yeah, all
that kind of stuff.
No, but lumen was so okay.
When you consume carbohydratesand you breathe, you burn off,
you actually burn, push out moreco2 right okay.
So and then when your body's infat, burn and burning fats, you

(51:32):
have a lower amount of co2coming off of your breath.
So what Lumen is is that it's adevice that actually reads your
CO2 levels in your breath andtells you if you're on carb or
fat burn, and it looks like avape.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I had it in my purse.
I was like mom, I'm like no,this is.
I had to explain the wholething and show her the app
because I felt like I like, likeI was a teenager, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
And so, and the way that I used it is is that I
literally used it for exerciseto see if I needed to eat more
carbohydrates before my workout.
Right, so you want to be yeah,you want to be in a carb burn
before your workout, because ifyou don't have enough
carbohydrates for energy beforea high intensity workout or a
weightlifting workout, thenyou're not going to get the full
benefit of that workout.
The workout should not be aboutburning calories.

(52:17):
The workout should be aboutbreaking down muscle tissue,
rebuilding muscle tissue andincreasing this resting
metabolic rate.
All of exercise should be aboutincreasing your overall base
metabolism.
Not I burned 500 calories inthis workout today.
All you're going to do is getreally hungry and re-eat those
500 calories again.
We want to create a faster,more efficient metabolism over

(52:38):
time, and that's how you getlean and stay lean forever,
forever, forever.
And then you mess up yourhormones and you have to do all
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, In the trickling stages of all of this.
Yeah, so all of this knowledge,all the things we've talked
about, let's talk about a littlebit about scorch community,
which is on pause, right?
Now but you've taken somethingwhich is your passion, your love
for fitness, what you wentthrough as a adolescent and

(53:08):
really created a beautifulprogram, and let's talk about
that a little bit more and whatis involved in that because it's
actually both of our littlepower, yep passion we yeah, we
love helping girls and boys,yeah, who, like, had similar
upbringings to us or far, farworse than we could ever imagine

Speaker 2 (53:27):
yeah, um.
So scorch community was our way, both of our way of teaching
that deadlift effect andteaching that whole by becoming
physically stronger.
All other areas of your lifecan become stronger, but
teaching it to the teenage youth.
And so we have so many programsthat are for elementary school,

(53:48):
even middle school, but whenthey get to high school kids are
just off on their own.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It's like it's like yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And that's when we're kind of, we kind of just like
let them go and that's when wereally should be like bringing
them in the most.
So the program that we createdbasically taught these young men
and women how to not onlyweightlift but to like take
control of their lives.
So they would come in two timesa week for two hours.
We would do full workouts, wewould do goal setting journals,

(54:20):
we would do diffusion ofsituations and we had them track
how they felt walking into thegym and how they felt leaving
the gym every single session andthe problems that they were
having when they walked in andhow they thought differently
about those problems after theyleft.
And so we had these cute littlejournals.
But in every single time, bythe end of these sessions, these

(54:42):
kids all of a sudden were likeyou know what, that doesn't
bother me as much anymore.
Or you know what, I'm going tohandle that a little bit
differently.
And I mean we had stories likeoh yeah, I got so angry this
weekend.
I pulled someone out of a car,like through the window, because
she was messing with my man,and I'm like where were you?
She's like church and I'm likewhat.
And so those are the thingsLike we talked through those

(55:03):
types of things, like thosetypes of escalations that they
were going through, and likethese were girls who, like,
lived in foster homes and hadseven kids sleeping in one room.
It's like that's here insarasota, that's everywhere in
sarasota.
We don't even acknowledge it.
So, giving these kids thisability, and so one of them, um,
actually called me the otherday and said thank you for both

(55:24):
of us.
I'm gonna cry um for said thankyou for changing my life.
So you know who she is, yeah,yeah, and she's like everything
you taught me I'm using todayand it's like it's just it's
impacted my life in such a way,and so and that's the point of
that is that my life changedbecause of exercise and because
of having coaches who caredabout me enough to teach me, and

(55:46):
so that's kind of what scorchcommunity is all about is like I
do care enough, you do careenough.
We, we will take the time andthe effort to put into people
that we don't know and people'skids.
We don't know them, but we'llput effort into your children
for you.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Right, like we got you, because we get it too, like
we're also moms, like we don'talways, don't have that energy
and we need people to help putthe effort into our own kids.
I was pregnant teaching thesegirls how deadlift I'm like we
got this.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
You're like are you okay?
I'm like, no, yes, we have tobring that back.
We have to.
Yeah, totally off.
I've filed the taxes for itevery year.
I still have the checkbookwe're fine, we'll get back.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
This is what I mean, you know you have kids, you have
a life, things, but like topick it back up in a different
way, and it added that.
And one thing that I reallylove and value is it added the
processing component to it,because we, even as adults, go
into the gym.
We know we need to do somethingwith our body, but do we take
the time to really process?
How did we feel when we went in?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
We don't Like what was bothering us, we don't.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Or like are we dreading going home?
Yeah, like are we processing.
Why?
So it really teaches them thosecoping skills that we all still
need I mean, let's just face itwe're living in an
overstimulated society, there'sno way around it, and we have to
create that time for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, 100%, the processing thing is so big.
That's what it's funny, becauseI think I gave you a copy of it
a couple of years ago.
But I have the energy journalat Scorch where it's like I have
people track their food andthen how they feel 30 to 45
minutes afterwards and it's awhole day long thing and it's
like this thick ass book becauseI write too many words.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yes, you did give me that, yep I am such a wordy
person.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
It's terrible.
But just even in the short term, realizing that your emotions
cause cravings, your foodquality affects how you handle
things, like just realizing thatevery single thing that we do
unfortunately affects how wefunction, and so that's that
processing component that weforget, because life is so

(57:51):
fast-paced that we think thatlike okay, as long as I get my
to do list and check it all off,I'm going to feel good at the
end of the day, and really wefeel run down, we feel less
close to our goals.
We all of a sudden arequestioning whether we like our
spouses or not.
And it's not their fault most ofthe time.
So it's crazy.
We get the flu, well, and thathappens regardless.
But yeah, so first time I havenwe get the flu, yeah, so that

(58:13):
happens regardless.
But yeah, so first time Ihaven't had the flu in I don't
know 10 years is what happenswhen you have a kid in daycare.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
So I don't have the flu now.
I didn't give Crystal the flu.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
No, this is last week .

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Yeah, but yeah.
So it's like we don't we justyou put it perfectly we don't
process anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
And I think that's just like and figure out our why
behind it, like what's theintention behind it.
And I think the one thing thatlike kind of pops out at me
about everything we've talkedabout is I've always loved you
because you're a veryintentional person, like,
regardless what you're doing,you're doing it with intention
and surrounding yourself withpeople that are like that.
And I think that, like I saidbefore, like I didn't really see

(58:54):
a lot of that growing up.
It was like people just wentthrough the motions, they did
what they had to do, they workedthrough things, they didn't
take time to process, they hadoff-the-wall coping skills or
not at all, so I had to figurethis out on my own.
Yeah, so it's like which gaveyou lots of grit and tenacity.
And I love it, I wouldn't tradeit for anything in the world.

(59:15):
But if we can hijack some ofthese, especially like the young
kids and I mean it's never door the 80 year olds, into
understanding the importance ofhaving intention behind
everything that you're doing foryour body, whether it's eating
or movement, or sleep, which wedidn't even touch on.
Sleep, which is a whole other.

(59:36):
I know you're my napping friend, you know it's just.
It makes such a difference.
Yeah, it really does.
So if people want to find you,they can go to scorchfitnesscom
S-C-O-R-C-H fitnesscom.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
I'll link it too, this but not with a flame or a
glitter flame for you.
Um or what's my personalwebsite, the Liz Lowecom.
The Liz Lowe, the Liz LoweCause.
Liz Lowe was taken by a womanin Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Not kidding.
I was like it's.
It's not like an ego V, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
It's a.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a default.
It's just a.
It's a default, thee which Ithink it's funny because if
anyone knows you, you're likeyeah, I'm like the most
non-egoic person never mind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
So it's funny to.
I always makes me smile when itpops up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
It's funny because, like my friends from my college
and stuff to like, make fun ofme because they know me and
they're just like well, that'swhy it's cute really, and I'm
like some woman in japan hasthat instagram handle and that
website.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I don't know what to do some cleaning company has
crystal clear, so you can'tcopyright it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Dude yeah, so the liz low on instagram or website,
and then um.
And then, if you do want to seeany of the scorch programs that
we have online, um, my personalwebsite has a link to all of
them as well.
Um, and then, yeah, scorchfitness dot com.
But yeah, if anyone wants tocome in.
We have coffee, we have tea.
You can hang out in the lobby.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yes, it's fun where the trainers are awesome.
They're all very intentional.
The workouts are great.
Yeah and um yeah.
Thank you so much for joiningthank you, I feel like we could
have talked for like four hours,but because we can, we can, but
thank you so much for beinghere.
Thank you all right.