April 21, 2025 • 63 mins
Reggie flies solo this Easter Sunday to reflect on the one-year anniversary of the Drake-Kendrick beef and examine how both artists are handling the aftermath differently.
• Drake continually expands his UMG lawsuit to now include the NFL and Fox while Kendrick incorporates diss tracks into his GNX Tour
• The St. Lunatics lawsuit against Nelly over Country Grammar has been dropped, raising questions about ghostwriting and authenticity in hip-hop
• Mass Appeal announces seven upcoming albums including collaborations from Nas with DJ Premier, Mobb Deep, Ghostface Killah, and others
• Wallo's comments about supporting Black businesses based on quality rather than race alone sparked controversy but highlight important conversations about consistency
• Hip-hop Mount Rushmore discussions should focus on impact and influence rather than personal favorites
• The digital streaming era creates disconnects between generations of music listeners, making it crucial for older fans to actively introduce younger listeners to foundational artists
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
yo, what is going on?
Um, we back.
I'm back.
Shout out to my guy, dodie.
Welcome to another episode oflate to the party with dodie and
reggie.
I am reggie.
Shout out to dodie.
It is easter.
Um, as a as I am recording and,uh, my man family, you got to
(00:23):
love it, right, and you know.
So here we are flying solo,right.
Shout out to the team, though Iwant to first start by I think
this is episode 45 or 46 of thelate to the party podcast, of
the Late to the Party podcast,and we are growing.
(00:46):
It's a slow process.
I did not know how much thatgoes into doing a podcast and as
a two-man team, we are tryingto really start getting some
things out there.
So I'd like to thank everybodythat has subscribed to the
youtube channel.
We have moved up to, uh, Ithink it's like 95 subscribers.
(01:09):
Low number to y'all, but ifwhat they say?
If you had 95 people in yourhouse right now, they'd be
packed.
You know I'm saying uh, a shoutout to the folks that's
following us on instagram andtiktok.
All right, um, you know I gottaplay my intro.
We gotta start with an intro,an intro.
So we're going to, we're goingto rock with a little interim
intro from now on for a secondRight.
(01:31):
Let's, let's, let's, start it.
Shout out to Captain T.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We raised on sin and man cookouts and chillin,
chillin.
We go to church on Sunday.
Monday start over again.
The world ain't small at all,cause I ain't heard of y'all If
you ain't heard of me, my nigga.
That's how we raised y'all.
Raised up on making money.
Raised up on shine things.
Raised up in big bodies withpotteries and a mirror made.
Raised up in country tip withChevy's on them.
(01:57):
Blooming things.
Raised up making tracks.
Put that country gram oneverything.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Raised up on making money, shout out to the big bro,
captain t man that is, that isa local classic and that dropped
like in the year 2000, 2001,right?
Um, we're gonna try to changeup a few things as well.
I know people do like um, the,when we play the music and stuff
like that.
As we are learning the, thecopyrights and stuff like that,
we, we, we, try to navigate thesystem and make sure that we're
(02:34):
doing everything in our, our,our efforts to make sure that we
are being shown to the masses,right?
So, as far as when it comes tothe YouTube, if you, if you do,
watch the YouTube videos, thereprobably won't be as much music.
We want to probably cut somethings out just because of the
(02:55):
copyright and we not to thepoint yet of getting return from
YouTube.
But you know, you know how I go, you know what I'm saying, you
want to start beforehand, youknow what they say, how you act
when no one is around, blah,blah, all that good stuff, right
?
So we want to go ahead and startpreparing ourselves for the
(03:16):
bigger and brighter lights,right?
So again, welcome to anotherepisode of Late to the Party
with Doty and Reggie.
I am Reggie.
Shout out to Doty.
Like I said, it's Easter busyweekend.
I was busy at the shop, sothere are a few topics that I
want to touch on pause while I'mhere today.
(03:37):
All right, one thing that wewas going to talk about, and
there's a few things that we wasgoing to talk about that I do
want to save until when, whenDodie is here with me, all right
.
So, with that being said, let'sjump into the first topic.
Right, let's jump into thefirst topic.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'm going to sue.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm going to sue this .
This Drake and Kendrick beef,right.
And here we are one year later,like officially one year later.
I think yesterday was like theanniversary of when push-ups
dropped and, yes, like that cameout beforehand.
First Person Shooter came outbefore that, but the push-up
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song was the official, likelet's go right.
Um, we had push-ups droppedright after that.
He dropped taylor may and thenwe had a 17 day grace period
before the week of fuckingpandemonium broke out, right,
and and and and that, what.
(04:45):
From tuesday to sunday we hadlike four or like three diss
tracks from no, what was it?
The four diss tracks becauseeuphoria, then 616 in la and
then meet the grams and then notLike Us all came out in that
(05:05):
short time span, right.
So the reason we bringing thatup first off, it is the
anniversary of, like I said,that whole jump off.
On one hand you got Kendrick,who just started him, and SZA
just started the Grand NationalTour, the Grand National
Experience Tour or whatever theywant to call it GNX Tour, and I
(05:25):
think they started inMinneapolis.
Right From the videos of it, itlooks sold out, it looked
packed, it looked like theyactually were selling out the
tickets because you know you getonline and you see all these
people posting about they'vebeen going to websites and
people ain't selling tickets andother websites are selling
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tickets for half off and allthis stuff which, hey, it is
what it is the Internet is notthe real place, right?
So on that end, you haveKendrick doing that.
On the other end, I'm going tosue.
You have Drake still revisingthe, the lawsuit that he have
(06:08):
against not Kendrick.
He's not suing Kendrick, he issuing UMG, right.
The amendment that popped outthis time was he added the NFL.
He added now I'm not saying Idon't think he's necessarily
suing the NFL or Fox or stufflike that, but he have started
(06:29):
to mention more names of Peoplethat he think that is helping
with the whole scope of thingsof bringing him down, of
(06:50):
bringing him down right.
So he has amended his lawsuit.
He added some.
He added the nfl, because thenfl um let kendrick perform that
song in front of a hundredsomething million people.
He added fox, which is wherethe super bowl is aired all
right, which also also it airedon Tubi Shout out to Tubi, which
is owned by Fox.
So still the same thing.
And then also he added some ofthe YouTubers.
(07:13):
Like he had other names in thefirst case, where the YouTubers
were saying certain things.
Now he's putting other videosand clips in there.
Now he's putting other videosand clips in there.
He put in a clip.
Or he added Joe Budden, the JoeBudden podcast, where Joe
Budden was like he saidsomething about Kendrick using
bots and he was like you think?
(07:37):
You think Kendrick didn't usebots, but he was like
everybody's using bots.
The only thing with that drakeand and team is once you add in
that hey, this, this podcastsaid kendrick would need bots to
beat me.
So he definitely used bots.
(07:58):
Well, in that same clip, joebudden also said everybody uses
bots.
So also in that, also on theJoe Budden podcast, he said you
like young girls, right?
So if you're going to use thatin court, of like, hey, he said
it over here, so it got to beI'm saying, well, let's, let's
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go to the other side, because ifyou saying you believe Joe
Budden when he say Kendrick usebox, he also said you use box.
He also said you was onplaylist.
He also said you like younggirls.
So I think I think this lawsuitis a very weird place that we
are in.
I am and not that I'm againstsuing a company, I think I think
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if Drake's suing the companyfor real reasons, I'm not mad at
it and I've said that before.
But right now it just seemedlike you sue in because you lost
a battle and I know everybodylike to say well, no, that's not
it.
You know, he, he.
How can y'all be for themachine when he's trying to
fight the machine.
It's an odd time to fight themachine, though, ain't it?
(09:10):
Because this machine has beenpushing for you, and it seems
like this has been just draggingon and on and on on both sides.
Don't get me wrong on both sides, because when the Super Bowl
Super Bowl happened, I was likeI don't want Kendrick To even
perform that song.
I don't even want him to makethis Super Bowl Moment about
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Drake, but he did cool, wepassed it.
He said game over, right, butthe thing is, the more Drake is
Poking P and poking, if y'alllisten to some sexy songs for
you or whatever, there'sobviously subliminals.
(09:53):
There's obviously shots thrownonline.
There's obviously the homeboysof Drake.
That's also saying shit online.
You got the dude top fivetalking crazy online, right?
I didn't want Kendrick to makethe tour about him, right, and
(10:14):
not that the whole tour is aboutDrake.
Not the whole concert, right,not the whole show, but from
what I've seen, of course he doa couple of the diss songs.
He do Not Like Us.
That's his number one hit rightnow, and of course he's going
to do not like us, but in themidst of all that, he got
interludes on the screen wherehe is kind of poking at Drake,
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and if at first I was like, ah,I don't want him to do that, but
if one side of this, if oneside of this war continue to
fight, even if you doing it inyour sneaky way, I'm just gonna
be blatant with it.
So I'm not.
I'm not now.
I'm on the side of like, yeah,fuck it.
(10:55):
Like 50 cents still throw shotsat gyro, it's never gonna end,
it's always up, and when it's up, it's like carly, it's up and
it's stuck.
You knowi, it's up and it'sstuck.
You know what I'm saying.
It's forever now right,especially if you're going to
continue to do.
You keep revising this lawsuit,and I'm not saying that you, I
(11:17):
mean if you felt hurt.
That's another thing.
That that's another thing thatwas added to the lawsuit as well
.
Drake writing in there orputting in there maybe it was
his team or it's in there whereDrake is saying I was hurt, he
made me feel bad.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm sad, all this shit.
You know what I'm saying.
It's just funny to look back onhindsight of all of this.
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I might get doughty.
I might get doughty in my son,because y'all got to man, me and
my son during that week, we was.
Everybody bond with their kidsover different things, but when
it come to music me and myoldest son we bond, we bond.
So I remember when that song,when Euphoria dropped, my son
(12:00):
text me from school like yo, dad, listen to it and I'm like man,
I I'm at work.
I told my client hold on, letme look this song up real quick,
put it in my headphones, goingcrazy.
But anyway, it's gonna be a lotof that happening right now and
with this lawsuit, withKendrick on tour, the online
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Avengers of both sides is notgoing anywhere, and I just
wanted to talk about that for alittle bit and just to think
about where we are a year later.
Officially, a year later, wouldKendrick still be talking about
this as much, and not even asmuch, but would he make it so
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much a part of his?
I mean, I guess not, because alot of the stuff that he's
poking at now is him or Drakesuing UMG, so a lot of the stuff
, like on one of the interludesonline, it's like him in a
deposition room.
If y'all remember the time thatWayne was in a deposition and
he was like they was askingabout certain dates, and Wayne
(13:05):
was like man I don't rememberdates, but I know I was
performing at this bad bitchbirthday party, you know what
I'm saying.
Like that deposition video thatwent around for a while.
It's kind of like Kendrick ispoking fun at that, while also
poking fun at what is going on.
That's one thing about it,though, and I'm going to leave
it here.
(13:26):
One thing about this beef orthis tit for tat that is going
on Drake is doing it, but he'sdoing it subliminal, like on the
album when he said if I die youknow I'm paraphrasing but if I
die, what are you going to do?
Have the strippers on stagewith dictionaries, like you're
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doing that kind of stuff, andthat's cool if that, because
that's how drake has always been.
One thing about kendrick he isputting out to the forefront
boom.
This is how I feel, right.
This is how is how it is.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm not.
I'm not mad at that, right?
Why are we here, though?
Why we are here?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm going to sue the lad or not.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The last case, but one case that has been dropped,
was St Lunatics was suing Nellyfor country grammar.
Lunatics was suing Nelly forcountry grammar.
You know they say that Nellydidn't write country grammar but
he wasn't wanting to pay.
You know Ali and them.
So this has been going onactually for a while because he
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was not crediting or not payingor in or not paying the other
members for their input oncountry grammar and it's only
for country grammar, like Nellyhad some hits after that as well
, but it's only for countrygrammar, right?
(15:01):
So the St Lunatics was suinghim for not being paid.
Now, last year, all the othersaint lunatics, they dropped
their case.
It was like shit, we out ofhere, all right, and then they
were still touring and doingstuff like that, but ali was the
only one to stay in the case.
But it just happened like Ithink it was maybe sometime last
(15:22):
week it was like beginning ofApril, right?
Um, ali, being the onlyremaining member to be suing,
finally dropped his case andboom, the trial is over, right?
It don't say what happened, butI am hearing, I'm saying I'm,
(15:42):
I'm hearing like I know people,but it does.
It has been word that there isa settlement, but they don't.
From what I was reading, orwhat I have read up until this
moment, I don't see anythingabout a settlement.
Or if there was, like what theygot paid from it, but they
touring you get what I'm saying.
(16:02):
So maybe that's a littlekickback, right, but they
touring you get what I'm saying.
So maybe that's a littlekickback, right.
Nelly got one of them albums forpeople from the South.
It was a monumental time, right.
I know he from the Midwest andI know we wasn't the only people
listening to it, but at thattime I'm going down down baby,
you're sitting in the baby readyto.
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That was one of them, right.
When Nelly dropped it shook upsome things, right.
But my thing is with him.
When y'all hear certain peoplethat we grew up on, people my
age 35 and up I'm 38, but 35 andup when you hear rappers that
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we grew up on didn't write theirlyrics, does that change
anything?
Now there's certain artists tome I would say would change some
things.
But now, as we get older andyou understand who back then was
(17:05):
getting songs written,depending on who the artist is,
I'm fine with that, and maybeit's because of the new world.
There's so many rappers rightnow that ain't writing none of
their own shit, right?
So maybe with me growing up,eazy-e had hits and we knew he
didn't write them.
You know what I'm saying.
Dre had hits, we know he didn'twrite them.
(17:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Dre had hits, we know he didn'twrite them.
You know what I'm saying.
It's certain people P Diddy,it's certain people that we are
okay with, even as rappers.
I mean more R&B people, ofcourse, but as rappers we're
okay with if they don't writetheir own stuff.
Because you're not.
Nobody was putting Nelly inlike he's the greatest rapper of
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all time.
Although he was rapping, he hadsome hits, but he wasn't.
We weren't putting him in acategory with an Eminem or a, a
Pac or a Jay Z or Nas or anybodylike that.
So are you okay with certainartists not writing their music,
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their lyrics?
And I think sometimes it don'teven have to be a lyrical thing,
it can be.
Sometimes it can be like Likeyour, your story, right, nelly
was just making hits.
So if you didn't write it, cool.
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Now, yes, you should be payingyour people.
You should be paying yourpeople what you owe them.
Y'all came up together.
You know what I'm saying, whatyou owe them.
Y'all came up together.
You know I'm saying y'all weresupposed to be a group.
The word is that they wrotethese songs together to perform
them as groups, but then nellyon the back end was doing some
grimy shit and going around andperforming them, or uh or uh,
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putting them out at solo tracks,which that's crazy.
Like think about me and dodie,think about me and dodie.
We a team, we doing this anddoing this.
But then I start going intooffices and taking money and
said no, no, I'm gonna get youback, though I'm gonna get you
back on the back end, but thenon I'm only, I'm keeping a
contract for me.
That would be crazy.
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That's crazy shit.
So if he was doing that, that'swow, but I don't even.
I don't even care about thelawsuit as much, because I mean
it's now, it's over.
That album was 30 years ago,almost, so I mean I know it
wasn't 30 years, but it's like25 years ago.
So the only thing that Istarted to think about from this
is what artists?
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Artists, are you okay with notwriting their lyrics Like Nelly?
Okay, cool?
What about Luda?
Though?
Luda was a lyrical monster, buthe also was having fun just
making hits.
The first song we heard fromhim is what's your Fantasy If it
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come out.
He didn't write that.
Like what do we think aboutthat?
If Web didn't write g shit,what do you think about that?
That's one of them.
I put webby in one of themcategories where it wasn't
lyrical like.
It wasn't like lyrical miracleshit, but it was your story,
it's how you brought it to us,it's how you introduced it.
Young buck, young buck wasn't alyrical miracle, but it was.
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It was your sound, it was whatyou did.
You come back and now he didn'twrite nothing on welcome to
cashville or whatever.
Right, that's just some shit.
That's some stuff we thinkabout as we get older because
things start to change.
You know I'm saying um, butthat's cool, oh, oh.
Back to the Drake thing.
Drake was a live streaming withAiden Ross.
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I didn't watch any of it, buton the kick kick is the
streaming service that they own,I think it's kick or Twitch,
one of them.
They're talking about Drakebecoming a weekly streamer.
How you feel about that Now, onone hand, fuck it, there's
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money out there, there's moneyto be made.
Like I tell my kids all the time.
If you are a person with anytype of notoriety and you can
get some extra bags off offucking playing a game, whether
you good or not, go get that.
But then, on the other hand,drake, the biggest artist in the
world, fuck the rap beef Like,yeah, you lost to Kendrick and I
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think Kendrick destroyed you.
You still the biggest, you, oneof the biggest rappers in the
world, though Do you have timeto be streaming?
Are they paying you a bag likethat to be streaming?
Are they paying you a bag likeit to be streaming?
It's like, I don't know, likethat's just crazy, like and I
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was about to say think about thebiggest artist, you know, but
hell, we talking about drake,thinking about, talk about,
think about drake.
Now Drake got a schedule.
Every Tuesday he's streamingfor five to six hours.
That's just crazy.
You're going to get a bag,though, because some companies
if them companies are paying theCasa knots, the Duke Dennis,
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the Aiden Ross, the XQC orwhatever his name is If they
paying, them what they payingand them folks getting the
numbers that they get, rather,after a month, drake don't have
the personality to really stream, because I don't think he
really has the personality to bea streamer, like academics is.
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Although I don't fuck with himlike all the time, he is great
for streaming.
Kassanet great for streamingAiden Ross, which I don't like
at all, is great for streaming.
Kostinak great for streamingAiden Ross, which I don't like
at all.
He great for streaming.
I don't think Drake really hasthat personality, but think
about that first four to fivestreams and maybe he'll I mean,
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he'll still get numbers afterthat, but think about them.
First four, like the firstmonth of oh, drake is streaming
for five to six.
Dad, all them numbers will gocrazy and you can start.
And you can start dropping somemusic through there too.
You'd be like, hey, well, I'mhere, I got these new songs
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which, hey, hey, now might be agood idea, might be a good idea.
That's how you going to reallytell who fucking with the song
and who not.
Chat, you know, hey, chat.
I don't know where that camefrom, but hey, chat, like who
started that?
(23:42):
Anyway, along with that, withthe, the young money thing,
wayne, wayne, going on his umpress run me and Dodie,
literally two weeks ago, askedwhen are we gonna start seeing a
rollout for Wayne's album?
And literally a week after thatnot even a full week, couple
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days after that, you started tosee you could pre-order the
album, you see sponsored ads andall that.
And now he did an interviewwith excuse me, he did an
interview with Rolling Stone.
I haven't even read the RollingStone, I don't even care.
I did read a few clips though,wayne, and I know you're
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listening, because we askedabout the rollout and you
started doing a rollout.
But, wayne, what is the dealwith the line when people ask
you questions?
One thing he lied about, and Idon't care what nobody say.
I don't know, wayne don't knowwho he is, as far as you know as
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a person.
I don't even know how it got tothe question, but Wayne, the
Wayne Carter said he did notknow.
He did not know Kanye West andJay-Z made an album together and
he had never heard Watch theThrone.
Are you fucking kidding me?
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Now, this is where sometimes myage start to kick in and I'd be
like, yeah, I wasn't there whenthat album came out, one one.
A few things happened.
Number one he rapped over theham beat.
You rapped over it.
You was killing all kind ofbeats back in the day.
(25:36):
All right, I was there for that.
And then, second to that, youdissed them on stage when you
dropped the mic and walked off.
I don't know exactly how it go,but you were saying something
like in a, in a realm of like.
I asked a bitch why she was atthe crib, what she won't watch,
(26:00):
and she said whatever, but wewon't watch the throne.
Come on, fam.
I don't know if it's the drugsthat's like making him like
forget certain shit, cause he'sbeen around for a long time and
he's done a lot of drugs, he'sdrunk a lot of lean, he's smoked
a lot of weed or you just lyingto her face, and that's
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understandable, a lot of thesepeople.
One thing I've ran into onlinedebating with people online.
A lot of people wasn't there.
A lot of people wasn't thereand a lot of people don't
understand exactly what washappening.
A lot of people weren't thereand a lot of people don't
understand exactly what washappening.
But I remember I'm not ahistorian, but I know some about
music, especially when it comesto down south.
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We talked about that, my downsouth bias.
We talked about that, wayne.
I remember Another thing.
He lied about One not knowingNot Like Us was a diss song.
You hear me.
He said he didn't know Not LikeUs was a diss song.
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And then number two, he said hedidn't know it was Kendrick
Lamar and he didn't know he wasdissing his boy.
So when we seen him Rappingalong to the song, it was just a
song that he liked and thoughtit was cool.
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So what did you think when hesaid, say, drake, I heard you
like him young.
What did you think when yousaid, when he said Baka got a
weird case.
Why is it?
You know these people party atthe party playing with his nose.
Now, baka got a weird case.
Why is he around?
Certified, lover boy, certifiedwhat did you think it was like
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you at home and you just ridingnow.
It's only funny because I'mlistening to songs that I grew
up on now and starting tounderstand them different.
But you already grown, god damnit.
You are a full grown adult.
You riding around, you listento that song and you like Yep,
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they not like us.
It gets to the end of the songyou say, oh behold, you just
rapping in the car.
What do you think he talkingabout?
It's just crazy.
Another thing this man liedabout was saying now we didn't
see, or I didn't see, likepictures of the room or nothing
like that.
But they was talking about dirk.
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This man said he didn't knowdirk was locked up while at the
same time in your room where thereporter came to, you had free
Dirk shirts hanging up.
You got to stop it.
We got to stop it.
I honestly don't evenunderstand what's the point of
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it.
I don't know.
It's just weird.
It's just weird Like I don'tknow what you get.
Point of it.
I don't know, it's just weird.
It's just weird Like I don'tknow what you get out of it.
And he was talking about, likenot wanting Drake to be mad at
him, but if you didn't know itwas a diss song, why would he be
mad at you?
Wayne also put out his tracklist.
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Wayne also put out his tracklist.
Not his track list, but he putout his feature list for the
Carter Six album, which I mean.
Listing the features outbeforehand don't make me want to
listen to the album or not wantto listen to the album, while
this album do got a fewdifferent names that we haven't
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seen.
One name that I didn't see isdrake.
Now, no, wayne don't have tohave drake on his album, but
there is no drake.
Also, with young thugs album,there is no drake.
No, these people don't have tohave the people like Before
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somebody be like I mean so andso not on there.
I understand that, but that'skind of that's kind of big at
the moment right now, especiallywhen they was going through the
Whole Super Bowl thing andDrake was saying this and Nicki
Minaj saying this.
Nicki, not on the album, atleast right now.
Things can change.
The album don't come out untilJune, so we a month and a half,
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two months away, so things canchange.
You know what I'm saying I justfind it.
I find it interesting thatthese people that rock with
Drake like they say they stilldo, especially when it come to
thugging Lil Baby, where hewould usually be part of it in
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some capacity.
Things can change, but we don'tsee a drake feature on um, a
couple of these albums, um, uh,a few, a few other things I want
to talk about real quick.
You know I'm saying beforebefore no, let's stay on music,
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let's stay on music.
Um, let's talk about some newmusic that dropped right or new
music that is coming out right.
So if y'all know about massappeal, mass appeal is a record
label which most of theirartists are like like a legacy,
legacy act artist or somethinglike that.
(31:25):
So they put out billboards andI I think naz is a co-founder of
the label.
I don't know, I'm pretty surehe's a big part of it, but so
they've been putting upbillboards.
And then I also saw online thatthey have seven albums coming
out this year from certainartists.
(31:45):
Right, you got Nas and DJPremier Definitely looking
forward to that.
First of all, because Nas havebeen like on a crazy fucking run
at these years of his, of hiscareer and I say that with Jay-Z
(32:06):
in mind and not because, like,there's scales, right, and in
the beginning of Nas' career,nas is still Nas, don't get me
wrong.
But once Jay-Z became Jay-Z,it's like even after you ethered
him, jay-z, still Jay-Z.
Is like even after you eitherhim, jay-z, still Jay-Z.
You know what I'm saying.
His, his catalog is more, uh,supreme to yours.
(32:30):
You know what I'm saying, morenotable.
But these past few years maybeI will put the album side by
side, like and really go throughthey albums.
But these past few years therun that he had with the King
Disease and all that that manhas been on a Nas have been on a
(32:50):
run.
But anyway, you got Nas and DJPremier.
You got Mobb Deep, a Mobb Deepalbum coming which I really
would like to see how they dothat.
You got Ghostface Killer, de LaSoul, a Big L album which I
want to.
I definitely got to see howthey do that.
And you got a Raekwon soloalbum and then on the billboard
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it say the epic return of, andthen it's like it don't say the
name, right, um, those are somereal good albums.
Like, besides the Nas album, Ido want to hear the Mobb Deep, I
want to hear Big L, because Iwant to see how they do that.
De La Soul De La Soul is iconic.
I understand that they don'treally stand out to me as much.
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And I know somebody going tosay something the Raekwon.
I want to hear Ghostface Killer.
That's who I want to hear.
I want to hear Ghostface Killer.
And then I also want to hearwho is the iconic artist.
Because they say the iconicreturn of, or the epic return of
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, dot dot dot now, I don't knoweverybody who signed a mass
appeal, right.
Or the epic return of dot dotdot Now, I don't know everybody
who signed a mass appeal, allright.
But looking at this list, likeI seen somebody and I went back
and forth with somebody about itbeing Jay-Z it came.
It's not going to be Jay-Zbecause it's a mass appeal thing
, all right.
(34:21):
So there is talks of who itmight be, but you know who I
think it might be.
Again, I don't know who allsigned to Mass Appeal, but you
know, matter of fact, I won'tsay who I think it would be.
I'ma say you know who I want itto be Big Daddy Kane oh, it,
just Big Daddy Kane.
Or Rakim oh, two lyricists,something from them right now.
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I don't care to hear them rap.
Like one thing that I think wefuck up in our in in our culture
is saying that this is a youngman's game.
People are getting old.
Artists are getting older.
The people who grew up withthese artists are also getting
older.
I'm are getting old.
Artists are getting older.
The people who grew up withthese artists are also getting
older.
I'm 38 years old.
I will be 39 soon.
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I was a baby when Big DaddyKane and Rakim was doing their
thing, but I would love, lovefor it to be a Big Daddy Kane.
I saw some people talking aboutSpecial Ed.
Special Ed to me is like I mean, he had the one big song and
(35:30):
maybe he had some other stuff,but I'm not looking for no
Special Ed album.
That thing said the epic return.
Epic return is not a One hitwonder.
You you know I'm saying like Igot it made was a hit, and
people still like I got it made,like you could listen to that
down and be like, oh, this niggawas snapping and stunting on
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these niggas, but that's not anepic return.
A epic return is a big daddycane, a rock, an Andre 3000,
even though Andre 3000 is notMass Appeal, I'm pretty sure.
But that's Epic Returns.
You get what I'm saying.
Like, those are the names thatyou look for when you hear
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somebody say we got an EpicReturn.
Speaking of Epic Returns, youlike my segue.
Y'all like, come on what theysay, like and comment and tell
me what you thought about mysegue.
But, um, speaking of epicreturns, tommy Davis Jr, tommy
(36:34):
Davison, if y'all grew up onMartin or just watched the
Martin show or went back, theyhave a spinoff of Varnell Hill.
Right now, I repeat, 30 yearslater, they have a spinoff of
(37:02):
Martin with the Varnell Hillshow.
Do y'all know how many episodesVarnell Hill was?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
on.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It was only like two episodes Epic episodes Like and
bounce them on my knee Likenigga Varnell Hill was hilarious
.
Tommy was hilarious on thatepisode, even making Martin
break character.
But 30 years later are welooking for a spinoff?
(37:26):
I think it's going to be onNetflix, if I'm not mistaken.
But are we looking for a Martinspinoff right now?
And if so, are we looking for aVarnell Hill spinoff?
Because, if nothing else, Iwould have liked to see him at
that time, like, let me see hislife at that time when he was
(37:49):
talking to rerun and aboutmotherfuckers coming to his
house in Hollywood and shit.
Like let me see that Now wecan't even do the backstory,
because if Tommy going to beplaying him playing the same
character, like we can't evenget the backstory, because if
tommy gonna be playing, I'mplaying the same character, like
we can't even get a backstory.
So I would, I mean, I, I'm, I'mdefinitely gonna watch it, but
I would like to see, like,what's the storyline 30 years
(38:13):
later?
Because we did like, as himbeing far now here, we don't
know a lot about him.
We don't know a lot about himin his character.
So we're just gonna from thosetwo episodes excuse me, from
those two episodes on martin,and we're just gonna jump 30
years later and see what hiscareer like.
Yeah, we didn't know what hiscareer was like at the time.
(38:37):
Oh well, you know what?
I take that back now.
I'm thinking about it.
We know he worked at uh wzupbefore martin got there.
Uh, martin got there because heuh varnell hill, was blowing up
.
He got his own tv show.
So I guess I guess we know that, you know, and he ain't like
people at his crib, so we knowthat.
But that'd be interesting tosee, um, to see where we go with
(39:01):
that.
So yeah, that's what I wantedto talk about when music drops.
And then DeVar, now he'llpopped up in my head because we
talk about epic returns.
Wallow Wallow was at a, I guessa conference or something, and
he said this let's see whaty'all think about this, to hear
(39:36):
that shit, that's a hustle.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Support me because I got a black business.
Is your restaurant clean?
Is the food good?
Do you got consistent cooks?
Is the material of your shitgood?
Stop doing that.
Oh, you support the whitepeople?
Nah, I support consistency,baby.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Fuck about what color you is.
I'm going to spend my money.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
That paper.
I'm going to spend them mealswhere the fuck I want to spend
it at.
Grab his Porsche, ferrari.
I'm going to do what the fuck Iwant to do while I'm here, but
I'm going to tell you one thingI ain't going to be finessed off
some black shit, but one thingabout it somebody listening to
you motherfuckers is not goingto make it.
I'm not no motherfucking fakeass motivational speaker that
talk this dumb shit.
I'm the number one nigga in thecountry.
(40:13):
You know why.
Y'all seen me come out of thepen.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So that's Wallo From Million Dollars Worth the Game.
Shout out to Wallo and Gillythe Kid I love Wallo.
I won't say love.
Love is a strong word.
I don't know Wallo.
I like Wallo.
I like when he speak.
I wish he would have wordedthat different.
I 100% get what he was saying,but I first, I first listen.
(40:45):
You hear a black man who isstrongly, who seems to be
strongly supportive of blackbusinesses While also being
signed to his podcast beensigned to Barstool, where the
(41:06):
owner of Barstool have said somequestionable stuff.
So I first listened and sound alittle crazy.
While I definitely understandwhat he was saying, I wish he
would have worded it differentand without knowing exactly what
he was saying.
I wish he would have worded itdifferent and without knowing
exactly what he wanted to say.
It just seemed like he wassaying you can't just get
(41:37):
supported because you're black.
Continuously, I tell my brother, I tell my sons, I tell my
homie, I tell Dodie, I tell myclients, I tell my wife.
Every time If you are a blackbusiness, you come to me, you
say I'm a black business,support.
The first thing I'm going to do, I'm going to talk to you.
I'm going to see what you got.
I'm a support.
People around here sell platesSupport.
(42:01):
You make shirts.
Support.
You sell shoes Support.
You got a grocery store.
You do lawn care.
You got a, a hair store aroundhere Support, and I think that's
how it's supposed to be.
I think everybody's how it'ssupposed to be.
(42:24):
I think everybody black shouldsupport black, but but I will
not continuously support youjust because you're a black
business.
Shout out to Hamburger Hilldown here and my homie TKK and
his wife, some of the best smashburgers in the world.
From my taste buds, from what Ihave tasted, I supported him
(42:52):
off rip.
He's a black man, strong blackman too.
But I will continuously supporthim Because the business that
him, his, his wife, their talkgame, their cleanliness, their
consistency what they do, isconsistent.
So now I'm not only supportinga black business, I'm just
(43:14):
supporting a business that Ilike.
There are so many businesses orso many.
Let's just say you get onFacebook Somebody say, hey, me
and my son just started a carwashing business.
Support, local support, blackowned.
(43:36):
Cool, let's go.
You feel me.
What you charge don't evenmatter, we're going to do it.
Let's go.
All right, you wash my car.
You got streaks on the window.
You know I mean there'ssomething in my you done fucked
up the leather a little bit on aon a seat, just nothing crazy.
(44:04):
All right, I'm going to talk toyou about that.
I'm going to support you againBecause, hell, I done got fucked
over by a lot of otherbusinesses.
Anyway, I might as well atleast give you a second chance
Now, the second time.
Streaks on my window Tiresain't really get clean Little
crevices of my rims not clean.
(44:27):
Now, at this point, either I gotthe option of giving you
another go or just chalking itup.
That's what I would think whileI was saying Y'all have to be.
You know how many businessesdown here say hey, we got this
restaurant open.
We go to the restaurant, theyclose.
(44:50):
But you look on the door, theyopen from nine to five every day
.
It's 12 in the afternoon.
Where y'all at, hey, wherey'all at.
That's not consistency.
You got bad attitudes and stufflike that.
It's not we shall and we shouldsupport.
(45:14):
Only because you black Off.
Real, I don't even give a fuckyou black, I'm going to buy
Every single time.
But if it's not good materialin your shirts, if it's not good
business, if every time I cometo you you throwing money at me,
you throwing change at me andyou got an attitude, what makes
(45:38):
me want to continue to supportyou?
Because I won't do it justbecause you're black?
That's all I feel.
I just feel like um, and fromdoing the podcast you learn
sometimes you start talking someshit just sound crazy.
That's why I don't understandwhy there are some people like
(46:02):
dogging wallow, I ain't gonna.
You got to, you got to kind togive, you got to see the context
and you just got to kind oflisten rather than just um,
going off a headline.
Because, matter of fact, when Ifirst looked this story up, I
mean I heard it.
But when I first looked thestory up, I mean I heard it, but
when I first looked the storyup, the headline says something
(46:23):
in terms of like wallow downs,black, wallow downs, black
entrepreneurs.
That's not what he doing.
He not saying he not going tosupport you because you black.
He said he won't only supportyou because you black.
Because you black, he said hewon't only support you because
(46:43):
you black.
I just think it's interestingwhen you get online, boy, like
people online, it's like onething or the complete opposite.
There's no middle ground,there's no a minute.
That's why I had to pull backon debating through words with
people like typing stuff,because you can't read, you
(47:06):
can't, you can't hear the tone,people can't.
You know what I'm saying.
Like stuff get misconstrued.
Even if I was just to make avideo, people will pick out what
they want and won't actually dothe knowledge of what's
actually happening.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's the problem that Irun into and that's the problem
(47:28):
that I hate when stuff onlinehappens, you know what I'm
saying.
Like it's shit, weird, butthat's people in general.
You know what I'm saying.
That's a whole nother story.
Saying that's a whole notherstory, that's a whole nother
story.
I think that's all I really got, because I got some stuff on
this list, but it's some stuffthat I'd rather I'd rather talk
(47:54):
about with my dude.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I mean, some of this stuffwe might touch on again, pause.
You know what I mean.
And some of this stuff we mighttouch on again, pause.
You know what I mean.
Like my bad, I'm, I'm, I'm justlooking through my, looking
through my list.
Side note did y'all know TonyYayo?
We all know Tony Yayo helpedwith like John Cena, right, like
(48:14):
, not in a sense, like he helpedhim wrestle, but like the you
can't see me thing that camefrom John Cena, like he helped
him wrestle, but like the youcan't see me thing that came
from john cena.
I mean, that came from um tonyyayo.
But did you also know that tonyyayo was like uh, uh, a
component in the hot ones?
Like the hot one show is theplace where you go on, you ask
(48:35):
questions and you eat a wingwhile you're asking questions.
Like tony yayo was the part oflike that show where it's like
nah, you got to make them eatthe wing, why do you?
Why?
Why are they trying to likeright after you?
Uh, right after they eat thewing, you ask them a question.
You know what I mean.
Like he was that part of theshow of like finally getting it
together.
You know, I'm saying like Ijust thought that was cool.
(48:55):
I that wasn't on the list.
I just while I was thinkingabout stuff that that popped up
in my mind.
Have you seen all these MountRushmore pictures and stuff and
we're going to talk about someof them but without even telling
you, everybody, that that wason the Atlanta Mount Rushmore.
I'm pretty sure some of y'allhave seen it.
(49:15):
Y'all have to stop PuttingAndre 3000 by himself.
That's another thing thatCertain people have made the
world believe, right Likecertain people have made the
(49:37):
world believe that Andre is justAndre 3000.
We got to stop doing that.
You got to put outcasts onthere.
If you're going to put if, if,if Andre 3000 is on your Mount
Rushmore, he can't be on a MountRushmore by himself.
He is outcasts like yes, one ofthe greatest rappers of all
(50:02):
time, but so is Big Boi, and BigBoi has put out more music.
But for some reason we likehave gotten in our mind that
it's like it's Andre by himselfwhich, hey, on one side it's
(50:24):
cool, I love Andre.
But if we make it a MountRushmore, andre by himself is
not part of the Mount Rushmoreof anything.
It's always OutKast, alwaysOutKast.
But the reason I even ask aboutthese Mount Rushmores is which
(50:44):
is?
This is another thing thatpeople online you just run into
a problem with People online.
They'll say who's on your MountRushmore of blah blah blah?
Like somebody said who's onyour Mount Rushmore of blah blah
(51:08):
blah.
Like somebody said who's onyour Mount Rushmore of white
rappers, mount Rushmore of whiterappers.
Somebody said powwow, I lovepowwow, but before powwow first.
If we just working backwards,you got.
You got eminem.
You got uh, house of pain.
(51:30):
You got Beastie Boys.
You got Hell for what it'sWorth.
You got Vanilla Ice.
Yeah, I know One Hit WonderBlah blah blah.
He's fake, he's this.
But he also made somethingmainstream of the time Like a
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Mount Rushmore is not yourfavorite, mount Rushmore is not
your favorite and Rushmore isnot your favorite and that's
what the Mount Rushmore, that'swhat the Mount Rushmore is
becoming.
When you think about the MountRushmore, it's four heads on the
(52:12):
mountain, four heads on themountain and the four heads.
When people say, make a route,mount Rushmore, it's kind of
like um, the, the forefathersimpact.
Who started this?
Who got this shit going?
You know, I'm saying Like who?
(52:35):
Somebody made up, somebody madea.
What was it?
Was it a?
It was a trap.
It was a trap, mount Rushmore.
Not saying the word trap,because if you go back before
TIGZ, gucci, people saying theword trap like shout out the
(52:57):
ghetto mafia.
But when we talk about the trapmusic, who was the who is on
the Mount Rushmore?
Somebody did not have TI, meand me and Dodie talked about
this because somebody before wassaying that TI was not trap
music.
Excuse me was not trap music,Excuse me.
(53:20):
I mean, maybe he later onbecame not a trap rapper, but to
not even have him in the debate, like it's crazy.
They had a mixtape, mountRushmore.
You not putting Wayne on yourmixtape Mount Rushmore.
You're not putting Wayne onyour mixtape Mount Rushmore,
(53:43):
like we got it.
It's not your favorite, it'sthe Mount Rushmore, it's the
four, five.
It's who get this shit cracking, who got an impact on this shit
?
You know what I'm saying.
Like that's all and shit.
You know I'm saying like that'sall.
(54:04):
And I know things change whenyou get into these age brackets.
I remember growing up andpeople used to say you know, you
can't have a conversation withme because you wasn't there and
I I'm in between that becauseI'm.
I want to talk to the youngerfolks about music, because I
want to understand what is.
(54:24):
I want to understand what'sgetting the young people shaking
, like what music is makingy'all bounce.
So I want to have thoseconversations.
I don't want to be like myfavorite podcaster and be like I
don't want to talk to you ifyou didn't use a landline phone
about music.
I don't like that because onone hand you'd be like the OGs
(54:47):
don't come and talk to the youngpeople, that's what's wrong.
But then on one hand, you likeI want to talk about that.
You have to, especiallynowadays.
I think nowadays is the worst offinding old music right.
And it's the digital.
It's the, it's the streaming.
Let me get on my old peoplesoapbox.
(55:08):
Let me sound old for 2.5seconds.
Right, but it's because of thestreaming.
Right, but it's because of thestreaming when we was growing up
, when I was growing up, I'mriding with my mama, I'm
listening to what my mama got.
It's because she has CDs ortapes we had to listen to until
(55:35):
we could go get our own music.
Until Napster came, we had tolisten to what the parent was
listening to.
On one hand, though my mama'skind of like me that's where I
get it from she was listening tomy mama's a young mother, you
know what I mean.
So she's listening to the newstuff of the time, but she also
(55:58):
listened to that old school.
You know what I mean.
So she's listening to the newstuff all the time, but she also
listened to that old school.
You know what I'm saying.
So while we in the housecleaning up, we heard that Now
it's different, for the simplefact that kids got their cell
phones, they got streaming, theygot their headphones.
I ride around listening tomyself.
I listen to B6, playboi, carti,skrilla, baby, kia, like I
(56:22):
listen to this old, the newstuff.
But even if I ride around andI'm listening to a Master P or a
Sade or something I grew up onas well.
They can put their headphonesin.
It's too much music right now.
(56:42):
So if you, that old head, andyou think that a younger person
needs to know about certainpeople, you have to be that man
to say, hey, I know, I see whatyou're saying.
I know you're saying MissyElliott overrated, but let me
talk to you about what Missy wasdoing.
I know you saying Sadeoverrated, but let me talk to
(57:05):
you about what Sade was doing.
Oh, you don't know who Maxwellis.
Oh, maxwell did this music whenhe was shit 20 years old.
This is what he was bringingout at 19, 20, 23, whatever his
age was.
Oh, you think now is a washedup rapper and he just now, let
me tell you what he was doing at16.
(57:25):
Oh, you think jay just famousoff of bnb with beyonce.
Let me show you what jay wasdoing.
On reasonable doubt, you have tobe that hand to go back and say
let me show you this.
You need that now more thanever because, as the music
continue to grow and so many newartists is dropping and there's
(57:50):
no digging in the crates?
There's no, that shit is justlost.
You know what I'm saying.
My boys, even though they don'tlike I don't ride around
listening to the oldies, butgoodies a lot, they know about
the mike jacks and I know mikejack is one of them, one you're
gonna.
You know I'm saying.
But they also know about mfdoom, one of my son's favorite
(58:13):
rappers, mf doom.
What I'm saying Because in thehousehold I like to intertwine,
I like to like I said I want toknow what the new kids, what the
new rap is, what is popping.
It's some trash out there likeNetspin, my kids.
Let me hear a new Netspin song.
(58:33):
That shit is terrible.
It's the worst shit ever ever.
It was one of the worst songsever.
But on the other hand, you gotyeet, yeet, just dropped this
new song called the bell.
Oh my god, that shit fire.
You know I'm saying like youjust gotta be.
I don't even know what got meon that.
(58:55):
I'll talk about the MountRushmore and shit.
Yeah, yeah, man, that's thething when you, by yourself, and
you potting your mind, startgoing.
You ain't got nobody to bouncenothing off of, so now you just
start as you're talking, youjust start thinking about some
(59:17):
shit, right?
Well, before I continue tothink about some, before I
continue to think about somestuff, let me just go ahead.
We're going to be back regularschedule programming next week.
This episode will not have avideo, and that's on me.
(59:38):
We use my phone, uh, we use myphone to record.
But today, again, holiday.
Happy easter to everybody is aholiday.
I'm running around doing stuff.
I ain't even thinking aboutcharging my phone and I got down
here I said, oh, let me goahead and knock this out.
Uh, you know, so we can atleast have some content for
(59:59):
tomorrow.
Fucked around, didn't charge myphone yeah, damn it's not my
fault, though it's not my fault,I mean it is my fault, but it
happens, right.
Um, this week we were supposedto review Xavier so Bass.
(01:00:21):
We're going to touch on thatnext week.
And again, speaking of theyoung boy music, this was a
suggestion from one of my sons.
We're going to talk about thatnext week.
And yeah, we're here.
And yeah, we here Again.
Follow us on Instagram, youtube, tiktok it is Late to the Party
(01:00:44):
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Follow me on social media Cutsby Reggie, and then follow Doty
it's just underscore Doty, it'swith a Z, i-t-z Just Doty.
Yeah, man, just hit us up.
Man.
We want to start growing alittle bit more.
(01:01:05):
We want to start trying to dothis the right way.
And the reason that we arecalled Late to the Party is
because, yes, we understandthere are a thousand on
thousands of podcasts.
We late to the party, but, justlike there's thousands and
(01:01:25):
thousands of rappers, eventuallythey break through, you know,
and that's just what we'retrying to do.
We're trying to eventuallybreak through.
I know Dodie has goals with thepodcast.
I have certain things I want todo with the podcast.
I got things that I hope thatit brings me.
You know what I'm saying Like,not even like one thing, and I'm
(01:01:51):
about to get up out of here.
I'm about to get up out of here.
But one thing that I don'tthink about with this podcast is
getting paid Right, and if itcome, I'm not.
I'm not running from it, but Ihave.
I love to talk about music, welove to conversate about music,
(01:02:11):
and there are certain peoplethat I personally want to sit
down with.
I mean, it ain't even got to bewith a camera, but like a Joe
Budden, a Charlamagne, an Eminem, if life brings me that way,
you know what I'm saying A bigcrit.
There's people I just want tosit down and talk music with a
Kendrick Lamar, a Drake, shit.
Like I said, it don't even haveto be recorded, like I just
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want to be in a room withcertain people talking about
this.
This is what I love.
You know what I'm saying.
So, yeah, that's that.
On that, we'll talk about thatmore later, but again, we do
appreciate y'all for followingus and checking us out.
Thank you for listening toanother episode of Late to the
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Party with Doty and Reggie.
I am Reggie.
Shout out to Doty and we'll beback.
Peace man we out.
yo, what is going on?
Um, we back.
I'm back.
Shout out to my guy, dodie.
Welcome to another episode oflate to the party with dodie and
reggie.
I am reggie.
Shout out to dodie.
It is easter.
Um, as a as I am recording and,uh, my man family, you got to
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love it, right, and you know.
So here we are flying solo,right.
Shout out to the team, though Iwant to first start by I think
this is episode 45 or 46 of thelate to the party podcast, of
the Late to the Party podcast,and we are growing.
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It's a slow process.
I did not know how much thatgoes into doing a podcast and as
a two-man team, we are tryingto really start getting some
things out there.
So I'd like to thank everybodythat has subscribed to the
youtube channel.
We have moved up to, uh, Ithink it's like 95 subscribers.
(01:09):
Low number to y'all, but ifwhat they say?
If you had 95 people in yourhouse right now, they'd be
packed.
You know I'm saying uh, a shoutout to the folks that's
following us on instagram andtiktok.
All right, um, you know I gottaplay my intro.
We gotta start with an intro,an intro.
So we're going to, we're goingto rock with a little interim
intro from now on for a secondRight.
(01:31):
Let's, let's, let's, start it.
Shout out to Captain T.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We raised on sin and man cookouts and chillin,
chillin.
We go to church on Sunday.
Monday start over again.
The world ain't small at all,cause I ain't heard of y'all If
you ain't heard of me, my nigga.
That's how we raised y'all.
Raised up on making money.
Raised up on shine things.
Raised up in big bodies withpotteries and a mirror made.
Raised up in country tip withChevy's on them.
(01:57):
Blooming things.
Raised up making tracks.
Put that country gram oneverything.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Raised up on making money, shout out to the big bro,
captain t man that is, that isa local classic and that dropped
like in the year 2000, 2001,right?
Um, we're gonna try to changeup a few things as well.
I know people do like um, the,when we play the music and stuff
like that.
As we are learning the, thecopyrights and stuff like that,
we, we, we, try to navigate thesystem and make sure that we're
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doing everything in our, our,our efforts to make sure that we
are being shown to the masses,right?
So, as far as when it comes tothe YouTube, if you, if you do,
watch the YouTube videos, thereprobably won't be as much music.
We want to probably cut somethings out just because of the
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copyright and we not to thepoint yet of getting return from
YouTube.
But you know, you know how I go, you know what I'm saying, you
want to start beforehand, youknow what they say, how you act
when no one is around, blah,blah, all that good stuff, right
?
So we want to go ahead and startpreparing ourselves for the
(03:16):
bigger and brighter lights,right?
So again, welcome to anotherepisode of Late to the Party
with Doty and Reggie.
I am Reggie.
Shout out to Doty.
Like I said, it's Easter busyweekend.
I was busy at the shop, sothere are a few topics that I
want to touch on pause while I'mhere today.
(03:37):
All right, one thing that wewas going to talk about, and
there's a few things that we wasgoing to talk about that I do
want to save until when, whenDodie is here with me, all right
.
So, with that being said, let'sjump into the first topic.
Right, let's jump into thefirst topic.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I'm going to sue.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm going to sue this .
This Drake and Kendrick beef,right.
And here we are one year later,like officially one year later.
I think yesterday was like theanniversary of when push-ups
dropped and, yes, like that cameout beforehand.
First Person Shooter came outbefore that, but the push-up
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song was the official, likelet's go right.
Um, we had push-ups droppedright after that.
He dropped taylor may and thenwe had a 17 day grace period
before the week of fuckingpandemonium broke out, right,
and and and and that, what.
(04:45):
From tuesday to sunday we hadlike four or like three diss
tracks from no, what was it?
The four diss tracks becauseeuphoria, then 616 in la and
then meet the grams and then notLike Us all came out in that
(05:05):
short time span, right.
So the reason we bringing thatup first off, it is the
anniversary of, like I said,that whole jump off.
On one hand you got Kendrick,who just started him, and SZA
just started the Grand NationalTour, the Grand National
Experience Tour or whatever theywant to call it GNX Tour, and I
(05:25):
think they started inMinneapolis.
Right From the videos of it, itlooks sold out, it looked
packed, it looked like theyactually were selling out the
tickets because you know you getonline and you see all these
people posting about they'vebeen going to websites and
people ain't selling tickets andother websites are selling
(05:46):
tickets for half off and allthis stuff which, hey, it is
what it is the Internet is notthe real place, right?
So on that end, you haveKendrick doing that.
On the other end, I'm going tosue.
You have Drake still revisingthe, the lawsuit that he have
(06:08):
against not Kendrick.
He's not suing Kendrick, he issuing UMG, right.
The amendment that popped outthis time was he added the NFL.
He added now I'm not saying Idon't think he's necessarily
suing the NFL or Fox or stufflike that, but he have started
(06:29):
to mention more names of Peoplethat he think that is helping
with the whole scope of thingsof bringing him down, of
(06:50):
bringing him down right.
So he has amended his lawsuit.
He added some.
He added the nfl, because thenfl um let kendrick perform that
song in front of a hundredsomething million people.
He added fox, which is wherethe super bowl is aired all
right, which also also it airedon Tubi Shout out to Tubi, which
is owned by Fox.
So still the same thing.
And then also he added some ofthe YouTubers.
(07:13):
Like he had other names in thefirst case, where the YouTubers
were saying certain things.
Now he's putting other videosand clips in there.
Now he's putting other videosand clips in there.
He put in a clip.
Or he added Joe Budden, the JoeBudden podcast, where Joe
Budden was like he saidsomething about Kendrick using
bots and he was like you think?
(07:37):
You think Kendrick didn't usebots, but he was like
everybody's using bots.
The only thing with that drakeand and team is once you add in
that hey, this, this podcastsaid kendrick would need bots to
beat me.
So he definitely used bots.
(07:58):
Well, in that same clip, joebudden also said everybody uses
bots.
So also in that, also on theJoe Budden podcast, he said you
like young girls, right?
So if you're going to use thatin court, of like, hey, he said
it over here, so it got to beI'm saying, well, let's, let's
(08:21):
go to the other side, because ifyou saying you believe Joe
Budden when he say Kendrick usebox, he also said you use box.
He also said you was onplaylist.
He also said you like younggirls.
So I think I think this lawsuitis a very weird place that we
are in.
I am and not that I'm againstsuing a company, I think I think
(08:47):
if Drake's suing the companyfor real reasons, I'm not mad at
it and I've said that before.
But right now it just seemedlike you sue in because you lost
a battle and I know everybodylike to say well, no, that's not
it.
You know, he, he.
How can y'all be for themachine when he's trying to
fight the machine.
It's an odd time to fight themachine, though, ain't it?
(09:10):
Because this machine has beenpushing for you, and it seems
like this has been just draggingon and on and on on both sides.
Don't get me wrong on both sides, because when the Super Bowl
Super Bowl happened, I was likeI don't want Kendrick To even
perform that song.
I don't even want him to makethis Super Bowl Moment about
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Drake, but he did cool, wepassed it.
He said game over, right, butthe thing is, the more Drake is
Poking P and poking, if y'alllisten to some sexy songs for
you or whatever, there'sobviously subliminals.
(09:53):
There's obviously shots thrownonline.
There's obviously the homeboysof Drake.
That's also saying shit online.
You got the dude top fivetalking crazy online, right?
I didn't want Kendrick to makethe tour about him, right, and
(10:14):
not that the whole tour is aboutDrake.
Not the whole concert, right,not the whole show, but from
what I've seen, of course he doa couple of the diss songs.
He do Not Like Us.
That's his number one hit rightnow, and of course he's going
to do not like us, but in themidst of all that, he got
interludes on the screen wherehe is kind of poking at Drake,
(10:34):
and if at first I was like, ah,I don't want him to do that, but
if one side of this, if oneside of this war continue to
fight, even if you doing it inyour sneaky way, I'm just gonna
be blatant with it.
So I'm not.
I'm not now.
I'm on the side of like, yeah,fuck it.
(10:55):
Like 50 cents still throw shotsat gyro, it's never gonna end,
it's always up, and when it's up, it's like carly, it's up and
it's stuck.
You knowi, it's up and it'sstuck.
You know what I'm saying.
It's forever now right,especially if you're going to
continue to do.
You keep revising this lawsuit,and I'm not saying that you, I
(11:17):
mean if you felt hurt.
That's another thing.
That that's another thing thatwas added to the lawsuit as well
.
Drake writing in there orputting in there maybe it was
his team or it's in there whereDrake is saying I was hurt, he
made me feel bad.
You know what I'm saying.
I'm sad, all this shit.
You know what I'm saying.
It's just funny to look back onhindsight of all of this.
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I might get doughty.
I might get doughty in my son,because y'all got to man, me and
my son during that week, we was.
Everybody bond with their kidsover different things, but when
it come to music me and myoldest son we bond, we bond.
So I remember when that song,when Euphoria dropped, my son
(12:00):
text me from school like yo, dad, listen to it and I'm like man,
I I'm at work.
I told my client hold on, letme look this song up real quick,
put it in my headphones, goingcrazy.
But anyway, it's gonna be a lotof that happening right now and
with this lawsuit, withKendrick on tour, the online
(12:20):
Avengers of both sides is notgoing anywhere, and I just
wanted to talk about that for alittle bit and just to think
about where we are a year later.
Officially, a year later, wouldKendrick still be talking about
this as much, and not even asmuch, but would he make it so
(12:43):
much a part of his?
I mean, I guess not, because alot of the stuff that he's
poking at now is him or Drakesuing UMG, so a lot of the stuff
, like on one of the interludesonline, it's like him in a
deposition room.
If y'all remember the time thatWayne was in a deposition and
he was like they was askingabout certain dates, and Wayne
(13:05):
was like man I don't rememberdates, but I know I was
performing at this bad bitchbirthday party, you know what
I'm saying.
Like that deposition video thatwent around for a while.
It's kind of like Kendrick ispoking fun at that, while also
poking fun at what is going on.
That's one thing about it,though, and I'm going to leave
it here.
(13:26):
One thing about this beef orthis tit for tat that is going
on Drake is doing it, but he'sdoing it subliminal, like on the
album when he said if I die youknow I'm paraphrasing but if I
die, what are you going to do?
Have the strippers on stagewith dictionaries, like you're
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doing that kind of stuff, andthat's cool if that, because
that's how drake has always been.
One thing about kendrick he isputting out to the forefront
boom.
This is how I feel, right.
This is how is how it is.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm not.
I'm not mad at that, right?
Why are we here, though?
Why we are here?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I'm going to sue the lad or not.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The last case, but one case that has been dropped,
was St Lunatics was suing Nellyfor country grammar.
Lunatics was suing Nelly forcountry grammar.
You know they say that Nellydidn't write country grammar but
he wasn't wanting to pay.
You know Ali and them.
So this has been going onactually for a while because he
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was not crediting or not payingor in or not paying the other
members for their input oncountry grammar and it's only
for country grammar, like Nellyhad some hits after that as well
, but it's only for countrygrammar, right?
(15:01):
So the St Lunatics was suinghim for not being paid.
Now, last year, all the othersaint lunatics, they dropped
their case.
It was like shit, we out ofhere, all right, and then they
were still touring and doingstuff like that, but ali was the
only one to stay in the case.
But it just happened like Ithink it was maybe sometime last
(15:22):
week it was like beginning ofApril, right?
Um, ali, being the onlyremaining member to be suing,
finally dropped his case andboom, the trial is over, right?
It don't say what happened, butI am hearing, I'm saying I'm,
(15:42):
I'm hearing like I know people,but it does.
It has been word that there isa settlement, but they don't.
From what I was reading, orwhat I have read up until this
moment, I don't see anythingabout a settlement.
Or if there was, like what theygot paid from it, but they
touring you get what I'm saying.
(16:02):
So maybe that's a littlekickback, right, but they
touring you get what I'm saying.
So maybe that's a littlekickback, right.
Nelly got one of them albums forpeople from the South.
It was a monumental time, right.
I know he from the Midwest andI know we wasn't the only people
listening to it, but at thattime I'm going down down baby,
you're sitting in the baby readyto.
(16:23):
That was one of them, right.
When Nelly dropped it shook upsome things, right.
But my thing is with him.
When y'all hear certain peoplethat we grew up on, people my
age 35 and up I'm 38, but 35 andup when you hear rappers that
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we grew up on didn't write theirlyrics, does that change
anything?
Now there's certain artists tome I would say would change some
things.
But now, as we get older andyou understand who back then was
(17:05):
getting songs written,depending on who the artist is,
I'm fine with that, and maybeit's because of the new world.
There's so many rappers rightnow that ain't writing none of
their own shit, right?
So maybe with me growing up,eazy-e had hits and we knew he
didn't write them.
You know what I'm saying.
Dre had hits, we know he didn'twrite them.
(17:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Dre had hits, we know he didn'twrite them.
You know what I'm saying.
It's certain people P Diddy,it's certain people that we are
okay with, even as rappers.
I mean more R&B people, ofcourse, but as rappers we're
okay with if they don't writetheir own stuff.
Because you're not.
Nobody was putting Nelly inlike he's the greatest rapper of
(17:48):
all time.
Although he was rapping, he hadsome hits, but he wasn't.
We weren't putting him in acategory with an Eminem or a, a
Pac or a Jay Z or Nas or anybodylike that.
So are you okay with certainartists not writing their music,
(18:10):
their lyrics?
And I think sometimes it don'teven have to be a lyrical thing,
it can be.
Sometimes it can be like Likeyour, your story, right, nelly
was just making hits.
So if you didn't write it, cool.
(18:34):
Now, yes, you should be payingyour people.
You should be paying yourpeople what you owe them.
Y'all came up together.
You know what I'm saying, whatyou owe them.
Y'all came up together.
You know I'm saying y'all weresupposed to be a group.
The word is that they wrotethese songs together to perform
them as groups, but then nellyon the back end was doing some
grimy shit and going around andperforming them, or uh or uh,
(18:58):
putting them out at solo tracks,which that's crazy.
Like think about me and dodie,think about me and dodie.
We a team, we doing this anddoing this.
But then I start going intooffices and taking money and
said no, no, I'm gonna get youback, though I'm gonna get you
back on the back end, but thenon I'm only, I'm keeping a
contract for me.
That would be crazy.
(19:18):
That's crazy shit.
So if he was doing that, that'swow, but I don't even.
I don't even care about thelawsuit as much, because I mean
it's now, it's over.
That album was 30 years ago,almost, so I mean I know it
wasn't 30 years, but it's like25 years ago.
So the only thing that Istarted to think about from this
is what artists?
(19:40):
Artists, are you okay with notwriting their lyrics Like Nelly?
Okay, cool?
What about Luda?
Though?
Luda was a lyrical monster, buthe also was having fun just
making hits.
The first song we heard fromhim is what's your Fantasy If it
(20:02):
come out.
He didn't write that.
Like what do we think aboutthat?
If Web didn't write g shit,what do you think about that?
That's one of them.
I put webby in one of themcategories where it wasn't
lyrical like.
It wasn't like lyrical miracleshit, but it was your story,
it's how you brought it to us,it's how you introduced it.
Young buck, young buck wasn't alyrical miracle, but it was.
(20:25):
It was your sound, it was whatyou did.
You come back and now he didn'twrite nothing on welcome to
cashville or whatever.
Right, that's just some shit.
That's some stuff we thinkabout as we get older because
things start to change.
You know I'm saying um, butthat's cool, oh, oh.
Back to the Drake thing.
Drake was a live streaming withAiden Ross.
(20:48):
I didn't watch any of it, buton the kick kick is the
streaming service that they own,I think it's kick or Twitch,
one of them.
They're talking about Drakebecoming a weekly streamer.
How you feel about that Now, onone hand, fuck it, there's
(21:12):
money out there, there's moneyto be made.
Like I tell my kids all the time.
If you are a person with anytype of notoriety and you can
get some extra bags off offucking playing a game, whether
you good or not, go get that.
But then, on the other hand,drake, the biggest artist in the
world, fuck the rap beef Like,yeah, you lost to Kendrick and I
(21:34):
think Kendrick destroyed you.
You still the biggest, you, oneof the biggest rappers in the
world, though Do you have timeto be streaming?
Are they paying you a bag likethat to be streaming?
Are they paying you a bag likeit to be streaming?
It's like, I don't know, likethat's just crazy, like and I
(21:56):
was about to say think about thebiggest artist, you know, but
hell, we talking about drake,thinking about, talk about,
think about drake.
Now Drake got a schedule.
Every Tuesday he's streamingfor five to six hours.
That's just crazy.
You're going to get a bag,though, because some companies
if them companies are paying theCasa knots, the Duke Dennis,
(22:16):
the Aiden Ross, the XQC orwhatever his name is If they
paying, them what they payingand them folks getting the
numbers that they get, rather,after a month, drake don't have
the personality to really stream, because I don't think he
really has the personality to bea streamer, like academics is.
(22:36):
Although I don't fuck with himlike all the time, he is great
for streaming.
Kassanet great for streamingAiden Ross, which I don't like
at all, is great for streaming.
Kostinak great for streamingAiden Ross, which I don't like
at all.
He great for streaming.
I don't think Drake really hasthat personality, but think
about that first four to fivestreams and maybe he'll I mean,
(22:58):
he'll still get numbers afterthat, but think about them.
First four, like the firstmonth of oh, drake is streaming
for five to six.
Dad, all them numbers will gocrazy and you can start.
And you can start dropping somemusic through there too.
You'd be like, hey, well, I'mhere, I got these new songs
(23:21):
which, hey, hey, now might be agood idea, might be a good idea.
That's how you going to reallytell who fucking with the song
and who not.
Chat, you know, hey, chat.
I don't know where that camefrom, but hey, chat, like who
started that?
(23:42):
Anyway, along with that, withthe, the young money thing,
wayne, wayne, going on his umpress run me and Dodie,
literally two weeks ago, askedwhen are we gonna start seeing a
rollout for Wayne's album?
And literally a week after thatnot even a full week, couple
(24:06):
days after that, you started tosee you could pre-order the
album, you see sponsored ads andall that.
And now he did an interviewwith excuse me, he did an
interview with Rolling Stone.
I haven't even read the RollingStone, I don't even care.
I did read a few clips though,wayne, and I know you're
(24:31):
listening, because we askedabout the rollout and you
started doing a rollout.
But, wayne, what is the dealwith the line when people ask
you questions?
One thing he lied about, and Idon't care what nobody say.
I don't know, wayne don't knowwho he is, as far as you know as
(24:51):
a person.
I don't even know how it got tothe question, but Wayne, the
Wayne Carter said he did notknow.
He did not know Kanye West andJay-Z made an album together and
he had never heard Watch theThrone.
Are you fucking kidding me?
(25:13):
Now, this is where sometimes myage start to kick in and I'd be
like, yeah, I wasn't there whenthat album came out, one one.
A few things happened.
Number one he rapped over theham beat.
You rapped over it.
You was killing all kind ofbeats back in the day.
(25:36):
All right, I was there for that.
And then, second to that, youdissed them on stage when you
dropped the mic and walked off.
I don't know exactly how it go,but you were saying something
like in a, in a realm of like.
I asked a bitch why she was atthe crib, what she won't watch,
(26:00):
and she said whatever, but wewon't watch the throne.
Come on, fam.
I don't know if it's the drugsthat's like making him like
forget certain shit, cause he'sbeen around for a long time and
he's done a lot of drugs, he'sdrunk a lot of lean, he's smoked
a lot of weed or you just lyingto her face, and that's
(26:28):
understandable, a lot of thesepeople.
One thing I've ran into onlinedebating with people online.
A lot of people wasn't there.
A lot of people wasn't thereand a lot of people don't
understand exactly what washappening.
A lot of people weren't thereand a lot of people don't
understand exactly what washappening.
But I remember I'm not ahistorian, but I know some about
music, especially when it comesto down south.
(26:48):
We talked about that, my downsouth bias.
We talked about that, wayne.
I remember Another thing.
He lied about One not knowingNot Like Us was a diss song.
You hear me.
He said he didn't know Not LikeUs was a diss song.
(27:11):
And then number two, he said hedidn't know it was Kendrick
Lamar and he didn't know he wasdissing his boy.
So when we seen him Rappingalong to the song, it was just a
song that he liked and thoughtit was cool.
(27:32):
So what did you think when hesaid, say, drake, I heard you
like him young.
What did you think when yousaid, when he said Baka got a
weird case.
Why is it?
You know these people party atthe party playing with his nose.
Now, baka got a weird case.
Why is he around?
Certified, lover boy, certifiedwhat did you think it was like
(27:53):
you at home and you just ridingnow.
It's only funny because I'mlistening to songs that I grew
up on now and starting tounderstand them different.
But you already grown, god damnit.
You are a full grown adult.
You riding around, you listento that song and you like Yep,
(28:14):
they not like us.
It gets to the end of the songyou say, oh behold, you just
rapping in the car.
What do you think he talkingabout?
It's just crazy.
Another thing this man liedabout was saying now we didn't
see, or I didn't see, likepictures of the room or nothing
like that.
But they was talking about dirk.
(28:35):
This man said he didn't knowdirk was locked up while at the
same time in your room where thereporter came to, you had free
Dirk shirts hanging up.
You got to stop it.
We got to stop it.
I honestly don't evenunderstand what's the point of
(28:57):
it.
I don't know.
It's just weird.
It's just weird Like I don'tknow what you get.
Point of it.
I don't know, it's just weird.
It's just weird Like I don'tknow what you get out of it.
And he was talking about, likenot wanting Drake to be mad at
him, but if you didn't know itwas a diss song, why would he be
mad at you?
Wayne also put out his tracklist.
(29:18):
Wayne also put out his tracklist.
Not his track list, but he putout his feature list for the
Carter Six album, which I mean.
Listing the features outbeforehand don't make me want to
listen to the album or not wantto listen to the album, while
this album do got a fewdifferent names that we haven't
(29:39):
seen.
One name that I didn't see isdrake.
Now, no, wayne don't have tohave drake on his album, but
there is no drake.
Also, with young thugs album,there is no drake.
No, these people don't have tohave the people like Before
(30:01):
somebody be like I mean so andso not on there.
I understand that, but that'skind of that's kind of big at
the moment right now, especiallywhen they was going through the
Whole Super Bowl thing andDrake was saying this and Nicki
Minaj saying this.
Nicki, not on the album, atleast right now.
Things can change.
The album don't come out untilJune, so we a month and a half,
(30:23):
two months away, so things canchange.
You know what I'm saying I justfind it.
I find it interesting thatthese people that rock with
Drake like they say they stilldo, especially when it come to
thugging Lil Baby, where hewould usually be part of it in
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some capacity.
Things can change, but we don'tsee a drake feature on um, a
couple of these albums, um, uh,a few, a few other things I want
to talk about real quick.
You know I'm saying beforebefore no, let's stay on music,
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let's stay on music.
Um, let's talk about some newmusic that dropped right or new
music that is coming out right.
So if y'all know about massappeal, mass appeal is a record
label which most of theirartists are like like a legacy,
legacy act artist or somethinglike that.
(31:25):
So they put out billboards andI I think naz is a co-founder of
the label.
I don't know, I'm pretty surehe's a big part of it, but so
they've been putting upbillboards.
And then I also saw online thatthey have seven albums coming
out this year from certainartists.
(31:45):
Right, you got Nas and DJPremier Definitely looking
forward to that.
First of all, because Nas havebeen like on a crazy fucking run
at these years of his, of hiscareer and I say that with Jay-Z
(32:06):
in mind and not because, like,there's scales, right, and in
the beginning of Nas' career,nas is still Nas, don't get me
wrong.
But once Jay-Z became Jay-Z,it's like even after you ethered
him, jay-z, still Jay-Z.
Is like even after you eitherhim, jay-z, still Jay-Z.
You know what I'm saying.
His, his catalog is more, uh,supreme to yours.
(32:30):
You know what I'm saying, morenotable.
But these past few years maybeI will put the album side by
side, like and really go throughthey albums.
But these past few years therun that he had with the King
Disease and all that that manhas been on a Nas have been on a
(32:50):
run.
But anyway, you got Nas and DJPremier.
You got Mobb Deep, a Mobb Deepalbum coming which I really
would like to see how they dothat.
You got Ghostface Killer, de LaSoul, a Big L album which I
want to.
I definitely got to see howthey do that.
And you got a Raekwon soloalbum and then on the billboard
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it say the epic return of, andthen it's like it don't say the
name, right, um, those are somereal good albums.
Like, besides the Nas album, Ido want to hear the Mobb Deep, I
want to hear Big L, because Iwant to see how they do that.
De La Soul De La Soul is iconic.
I understand that they don'treally stand out to me as much.
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And I know somebody going tosay something the Raekwon.
I want to hear Ghostface Killer.
That's who I want to hear.
I want to hear Ghostface Killer.
And then I also want to hearwho is the iconic artist.
Because they say the iconicreturn of, or the epic return of
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, dot dot dot now, I don't knoweverybody who signed a mass
appeal, right.
Or the epic return of dot dotdot Now, I don't know everybody
who signed a mass appeal, allright.
But looking at this list, likeI seen somebody and I went back
and forth with somebody about itbeing Jay-Z it came.
It's not going to be Jay-Zbecause it's a mass appeal thing
, all right.
(34:21):
So there is talks of who itmight be, but you know who I
think it might be.
Again, I don't know who allsigned to Mass Appeal, but you
know, matter of fact, I won'tsay who I think it would be.
I'ma say you know who I want itto be Big Daddy Kane oh, it,
just Big Daddy Kane.
Or Rakim oh, two lyricists,something from them right now.
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I don't care to hear them rap.
Like one thing that I think wefuck up in our in in our culture
is saying that this is a youngman's game.
People are getting old.
Artists are getting older.
The people who grew up withthese artists are also getting
older.
I'm are getting old.
Artists are getting older.
The people who grew up withthese artists are also getting
older.
I'm 38 years old.
I will be 39 soon.
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I was a baby when Big DaddyKane and Rakim was doing their
thing, but I would love, lovefor it to be a Big Daddy Kane.
I saw some people talking aboutSpecial Ed.
Special Ed to me is like I mean, he had the one big song and
(35:30):
maybe he had some other stuff,but I'm not looking for no
Special Ed album.
That thing said the epic return.
Epic return is not a One hitwonder.
You you know I'm saying like Igot it made was a hit, and
people still like I got it made,like you could listen to that
down and be like, oh, this niggawas snapping and stunting on
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these niggas, but that's not anepic return.
A epic return is a big daddycane, a rock, an Andre 3000,
even though Andre 3000 is notMass Appeal, I'm pretty sure.
But that's Epic Returns.
You get what I'm saying.
Like, those are the names thatyou look for when you hear
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somebody say we got an EpicReturn.
Speaking of Epic Returns, youlike my segue.
Y'all like, come on what theysay, like and comment and tell
me what you thought about mysegue.
But, um, speaking of epicreturns, tommy Davis Jr, tommy
(36:34):
Davison, if y'all grew up onMartin or just watched the
Martin show or went back, theyhave a spinoff of Varnell Hill.
Right now, I repeat, 30 yearslater, they have a spinoff of
(37:02):
Martin with the Varnell Hillshow.
Do y'all know how many episodesVarnell Hill was?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
on.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It was only like two episodes Epic episodes Like and
bounce them on my knee Likenigga Varnell Hill was hilarious
.
Tommy was hilarious on thatepisode, even making Martin
break character.
But 30 years later are welooking for a spinoff?
(37:26):
I think it's going to be onNetflix, if I'm not mistaken.
But are we looking for a Martinspinoff right now?
And if so, are we looking for aVarnell Hill spinoff?
Because, if nothing else, Iwould have liked to see him at
that time, like, let me see hislife at that time when he was
(37:49):
talking to rerun and aboutmotherfuckers coming to his
house in Hollywood and shit.
Like let me see that Now wecan't even do the backstory,
because if Tommy going to beplaying him playing the same
character, like we can't evenget the backstory, because if
tommy gonna be playing, I'mplaying the same character, like
we can't even get a backstory.
So I would, I mean, I, I'm, I'mdefinitely gonna watch it, but
I would like to see, like,what's the storyline 30 years
(38:13):
later?
Because we did like, as himbeing far now here, we don't
know a lot about him.
We don't know a lot about himin his character.
So we're just gonna from thosetwo episodes excuse me, from
those two episodes on martin,and we're just gonna jump 30
years later and see what hiscareer like.
Yeah, we didn't know what hiscareer was like at the time.
(38:37):
Oh well, you know what?
I take that back now.
I'm thinking about it.
We know he worked at uh wzupbefore martin got there.
Uh, martin got there because heuh varnell hill, was blowing up
.
He got his own tv show.
So I guess I guess we know that, you know, and he ain't like
people at his crib, so we knowthat.
But that'd be interesting tosee, um, to see where we go with
(39:01):
that.
So yeah, that's what I wantedto talk about when music drops.
And then DeVar, now he'llpopped up in my head because we
talk about epic returns.
Wallow Wallow was at a, I guessa conference or something, and
he said this let's see whaty'all think about this, to hear
(39:36):
that shit, that's a hustle.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Support me because I got a black business.
Is your restaurant clean?
Is the food good?
Do you got consistent cooks?
Is the material of your shitgood?
Stop doing that.
Oh, you support the whitepeople?
Nah, I support consistency,baby.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Fuck about what color you is.
I'm going to spend my money.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
That paper.
I'm going to spend them mealswhere the fuck I want to spend
it at.
Grab his Porsche, ferrari.
I'm going to do what the fuck Iwant to do while I'm here, but
I'm going to tell you one thingI ain't going to be finessed off
some black shit, but one thingabout it somebody listening to
you motherfuckers is not goingto make it.
I'm not no motherfucking fakeass motivational speaker that
talk this dumb shit.
I'm the number one nigga in thecountry.
(40:13):
You know why.
Y'all seen me come out of thepen.
I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So that's Wallo From Million Dollars Worth the Game.
Shout out to Wallo and Gillythe Kid I love Wallo.
I won't say love.
Love is a strong word.
I don't know Wallo.
I like Wallo.
I like when he speak.
I wish he would have wordedthat different.
I 100% get what he was saying,but I first, I first listen.
(40:45):
You hear a black man who isstrongly, who seems to be
strongly supportive of blackbusinesses While also being
signed to his podcast beensigned to Barstool, where the
(41:06):
owner of Barstool have said somequestionable stuff.
So I first listened and sound alittle crazy.
While I definitely understandwhat he was saying, I wish he
would have worded it differentand without knowing exactly what
he was saying.
I wish he would have worded itdifferent and without knowing
exactly what he wanted to say.
It just seemed like he wassaying you can't just get
(41:37):
supported because you're black.
Continuously, I tell my brother, I tell my sons, I tell my
homie, I tell Dodie, I tell myclients, I tell my wife.
Every time If you are a blackbusiness, you come to me, you
say I'm a black business,support.
The first thing I'm going to do, I'm going to talk to you.
I'm going to see what you got.
I'm a support.
People around here sell platesSupport.
(42:01):
You make shirts.
Support.
You sell shoes Support.
You got a grocery store.
You do lawn care.
You got a, a hair store aroundhere Support, and I think that's
how it's supposed to be.
I think everybody's how it'ssupposed to be.
(42:24):
I think everybody black shouldsupport black, but but I will
not continuously support youjust because you're a black
business.
Shout out to Hamburger Hilldown here and my homie TKK and
his wife, some of the best smashburgers in the world.
From my taste buds, from what Ihave tasted, I supported him
(42:52):
off rip.
He's a black man, strong blackman too.
But I will continuously supporthim Because the business that
him, his, his wife, their talkgame, their cleanliness, their
consistency what they do, isconsistent.
So now I'm not only supportinga black business, I'm just
(43:14):
supporting a business that Ilike.
There are so many businesses orso many.
Let's just say you get onFacebook Somebody say, hey, me
and my son just started a carwashing business.
Support, local support, blackowned.
(43:36):
Cool, let's go.
You feel me.
What you charge don't evenmatter, we're going to do it.
Let's go.
All right, you wash my car.
You got streaks on the window.
You know I mean there'ssomething in my you done fucked
up the leather a little bit on aon a seat, just nothing crazy.
(44:04):
All right, I'm going to talk toyou about that.
I'm going to support you againBecause, hell, I done got fucked
over by a lot of otherbusinesses.
Anyway, I might as well atleast give you a second chance
Now, the second time.
Streaks on my window Tiresain't really get clean Little
crevices of my rims not clean.
(44:27):
Now, at this point, either I gotthe option of giving you
another go or just chalking itup.
That's what I would think whileI was saying Y'all have to be.
You know how many businessesdown here say hey, we got this
restaurant open.
We go to the restaurant, theyclose.
(44:50):
But you look on the door, theyopen from nine to five every day
.
It's 12 in the afternoon.
Where y'all at, hey, wherey'all at.
That's not consistency.
You got bad attitudes and stufflike that.
It's not we shall and we shouldsupport.
(45:14):
Only because you black Off.
Real, I don't even give a fuckyou black, I'm going to buy
Every single time.
But if it's not good materialin your shirts, if it's not good
business, if every time I cometo you you throwing money at me,
you throwing change at me andyou got an attitude, what makes
(45:38):
me want to continue to supportyou?
Because I won't do it justbecause you're black?
That's all I feel.
I just feel like um, and fromdoing the podcast you learn
sometimes you start talking someshit just sound crazy.
That's why I don't understandwhy there are some people like
(46:02):
dogging wallow, I ain't gonna.
You got to, you got to kind togive, you got to see the context
and you just got to kind oflisten rather than just um,
going off a headline.
Because, matter of fact, when Ifirst looked this story up, I
mean I heard it.
But when I first looked thestory up, I mean I heard it, but
when I first looked the storyup, the headline says something
(46:23):
in terms of like wallow downs,black, wallow downs, black
entrepreneurs.
That's not what he doing.
He not saying he not going tosupport you because you black.
He said he won't only supportyou because you black.
Because you black, he said hewon't only support you because
(46:43):
you black.
I just think it's interestingwhen you get online, boy, like
people online, it's like onething or the complete opposite.
There's no middle ground,there's no a minute.
That's why I had to pull backon debating through words with
people like typing stuff,because you can't read, you
(47:06):
can't, you can't hear the tone,people can't.
You know what I'm saying.
Like stuff get misconstrued.
Even if I was just to make avideo, people will pick out what
they want and won't actually dothe knowledge of what's
actually happening.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's the problem that Irun into and that's the problem
(47:28):
that I hate when stuff onlinehappens, you know what I'm
saying.
Like it's shit, weird, butthat's people in general.
You know what I'm saying.
That's a whole nother story.
Saying that's a whole notherstory, that's a whole nother
story.
I think that's all I really got, because I got some stuff on
this list, but it's some stuffthat I'd rather I'd rather talk
(47:54):
about with my dude.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I mean, some of this stuffwe might touch on again, pause.
You know what I mean.
And some of this stuff we mighttouch on again, pause.
You know what I mean.
Like my bad, I'm, I'm, I'm justlooking through my, looking
through my list.
Side note did y'all know TonyYayo?
We all know Tony Yayo helpedwith like John Cena, right, like
(48:14):
, not in a sense, like he helpedhim wrestle, but like the you
can't see me thing that camefrom John Cena, like he helped
him wrestle, but like the youcan't see me thing that came
from john cena.
I mean, that came from um tonyyayo.
But did you also know that tonyyayo was like uh, uh, a
component in the hot ones?
Like the hot one show is theplace where you go on, you ask
(48:35):
questions and you eat a wingwhile you're asking questions.
Like tony yayo was the part oflike that show where it's like
nah, you got to make them eatthe wing, why do you?
Why?
Why are they trying to likeright after you?
Uh, right after they eat thewing, you ask them a question.
You know what I mean.
Like he was that part of theshow of like finally getting it
together.
You know, I'm saying like Ijust thought that was cool.
(48:55):
I that wasn't on the list.
I just while I was thinkingabout stuff that that popped up
in my mind.
Have you seen all these MountRushmore pictures and stuff and
we're going to talk about someof them but without even telling
you, everybody, that that wason the Atlanta Mount Rushmore.
I'm pretty sure some of y'allhave seen it.
(49:15):
Y'all have to stop PuttingAndre 3000 by himself.
That's another thing thatCertain people have made the
world believe, right Likecertain people have made the
(49:37):
world believe that Andre is justAndre 3000.
We got to stop doing that.
You got to put outcasts onthere.
If you're going to put if, if,if Andre 3000 is on your Mount
Rushmore, he can't be on a MountRushmore by himself.
He is outcasts like yes, one ofthe greatest rappers of all
(50:02):
time, but so is Big Boi, and BigBoi has put out more music.
But for some reason we likehave gotten in our mind that
it's like it's Andre by himselfwhich, hey, on one side it's
(50:24):
cool, I love Andre.
But if we make it a MountRushmore, andre by himself is
not part of the Mount Rushmoreof anything.
It's always OutKast, alwaysOutKast.
But the reason I even ask aboutthese Mount Rushmores is which
(50:44):
is?
This is another thing thatpeople online you just run into
a problem with People online.
They'll say who's on your MountRushmore of blah blah blah?
Like somebody said who's onyour Mount Rushmore of blah blah
(51:08):
blah.
Like somebody said who's onyour Mount Rushmore of white
rappers, mount Rushmore of whiterappers.
Somebody said powwow, I lovepowwow, but before powwow first.
If we just working backwards,you got.
You got eminem.
You got uh, house of pain.
(51:30):
You got Beastie Boys.
You got Hell for what it'sWorth.
You got Vanilla Ice.
Yeah, I know One Hit WonderBlah blah blah.
He's fake, he's this.
But he also made somethingmainstream of the time Like a
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Mount Rushmore is not yourfavorite, mount Rushmore is not
your favorite and Rushmore isnot your favorite and that's
what the Mount Rushmore, that'swhat the Mount Rushmore is
becoming.
When you think about the MountRushmore, it's four heads on the
(52:12):
mountain, four heads on themountain and the four heads.
When people say, make a route,mount Rushmore, it's kind of
like um, the, the forefathersimpact.
Who started this?
Who got this shit going?
You know, I'm saying Like who?
(52:35):
Somebody made up, somebody madea.
What was it?
Was it a?
It was a trap.
It was a trap, mount Rushmore.
Not saying the word trap,because if you go back before
TIGZ, gucci, people saying theword trap like shout out the
(52:57):
ghetto mafia.
But when we talk about the trapmusic, who was the who is on
the Mount Rushmore?
Somebody did not have TI, meand me and Dodie talked about
this because somebody before wassaying that TI was not trap
music.
Excuse me was not trap music,Excuse me.
(53:20):
I mean, maybe he later onbecame not a trap rapper, but to
not even have him in the debate, like it's crazy.
They had a mixtape, mountRushmore.
You not putting Wayne on yourmixtape Mount Rushmore.
You're not putting Wayne onyour mixtape Mount Rushmore,
(53:43):
like we got it.
It's not your favorite, it'sthe Mount Rushmore, it's the
four, five.
It's who get this shit cracking, who got an impact on this shit
?
You know what I'm saying.
Like that's all and shit.
You know I'm saying like that'sall.
(54:04):
And I know things change whenyou get into these age brackets.
I remember growing up andpeople used to say you know, you
can't have a conversation withme because you wasn't there and
I I'm in between that becauseI'm.
I want to talk to the youngerfolks about music, because I
want to understand what is.
(54:24):
I want to understand what'sgetting the young people shaking
, like what music is makingy'all bounce.
So I want to have thoseconversations.
I don't want to be like myfavorite podcaster and be like I
don't want to talk to you ifyou didn't use a landline phone
about music.
I don't like that because onone hand you'd be like the OGs
(54:47):
don't come and talk to the youngpeople, that's what's wrong.
But then on one hand, you likeI want to talk about that.
You have to, especiallynowadays.
I think nowadays is the worst offinding old music right.
And it's the digital.
It's the, it's the streaming.
Let me get on my old peoplesoapbox.
(55:08):
Let me sound old for 2.5seconds.
Right, but it's because of thestreaming.
Right, but it's because of thestreaming when we was growing up
, when I was growing up, I'mriding with my mama, I'm
listening to what my mama got.
It's because she has CDs ortapes we had to listen to until
(55:35):
we could go get our own music.
Until Napster came, we had tolisten to what the parent was
listening to.
On one hand, though my mama'skind of like me that's where I
get it from she was listening tomy mama's a young mother, you
know what I mean.
So she's listening to the newstuff of the time, but she also
(55:58):
listened to that old school.
You know what I mean.
So she's listening to the newstuff all the time, but she also
listened to that old school.
You know what I'm saying.
So while we in the housecleaning up, we heard that Now
it's different, for the simplefact that kids got their cell
phones, they got streaming, theygot their headphones.
I ride around listening tomyself.
I listen to B6, playboi, carti,skrilla, baby, kia, like I
(56:22):
listen to this old, the newstuff.
But even if I ride around andI'm listening to a Master P or a
Sade or something I grew up onas well.
They can put their headphonesin.
It's too much music right now.
(56:42):
So if you, that old head, andyou think that a younger person
needs to know about certainpeople, you have to be that man
to say, hey, I know, I see whatyou're saying.
I know you're saying MissyElliott overrated, but let me
talk to you about what Missy wasdoing.
I know you saying Sadeoverrated, but let me talk to
(57:05):
you about what Sade was doing.
Oh, you don't know who Maxwellis.
Oh, maxwell did this music whenhe was shit 20 years old.
This is what he was bringingout at 19, 20, 23, whatever his
age was.
Oh, you think now is a washedup rapper and he just now, let
me tell you what he was doing at16.
(57:25):
Oh, you think jay just famousoff of bnb with beyonce.
Let me show you what jay wasdoing.
On reasonable doubt, you have tobe that hand to go back and say
let me show you this.
You need that now more thanever because, as the music
continue to grow and so many newartists is dropping and there's
(57:50):
no digging in the crates?
There's no, that shit is justlost.
You know what I'm saying.
My boys, even though they don'tlike I don't ride around
listening to the oldies, butgoodies a lot, they know about
the mike jacks and I know mikejack is one of them, one you're
gonna.
You know I'm saying.
But they also know about mfdoom, one of my son's favorite
(58:13):
rappers, mf doom.
What I'm saying Because in thehousehold I like to intertwine,
I like to like I said I want toknow what the new kids, what the
new rap is, what is popping.
It's some trash out there likeNetspin, my kids.
Let me hear a new Netspin song.
(58:33):
That shit is terrible.
It's the worst shit ever ever.
It was one of the worst songsever.
But on the other hand, you gotyeet, yeet, just dropped this
new song called the bell.
Oh my god, that shit fire.
You know I'm saying like youjust gotta be.
I don't even know what got meon that.
(58:55):
I'll talk about the MountRushmore and shit.
Yeah, yeah, man, that's thething when you, by yourself, and
you potting your mind, startgoing.
You ain't got nobody to bouncenothing off of, so now you just
start as you're talking, youjust start thinking about some
(59:17):
shit, right?
Well, before I continue tothink about some, before I
continue to think about somestuff, let me just go ahead.
We're going to be back regularschedule programming next week.
This episode will not have avideo, and that's on me.
(59:38):
We use my phone, uh, we use myphone to record.
But today, again, holiday.
Happy easter to everybody is aholiday.
I'm running around doing stuff.
I ain't even thinking aboutcharging my phone and I got down
here I said, oh, let me goahead and knock this out.
Uh, you know, so we can atleast have some content for
(59:59):
tomorrow.
Fucked around, didn't charge myphone yeah, damn it's not my
fault, though it's not my fault,I mean it is my fault, but it
happens, right.
Um, this week we were supposedto review Xavier so Bass.
(01:00:21):
We're going to touch on thatnext week.
And again, speaking of theyoung boy music, this was a
suggestion from one of my sons.
We're going to talk about thatnext week.
And yeah, we're here.
And yeah, we here Again.
Follow us on Instagram, youtube, tiktok it is Late to the Party
(01:00:44):
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it's just underscore Doty, it'swith a Z, i-t-z Just Doty.
Yeah, man, just hit us up.
Man.
We want to start growing alittle bit more.
(01:01:05):
We want to start trying to dothis the right way.
And the reason that we arecalled Late to the Party is
because, yes, we understandthere are a thousand on
thousands of podcasts.
We late to the party, but, justlike there's thousands and
(01:01:25):
thousands of rappers, eventuallythey break through, you know,
and that's just what we'retrying to do.
We're trying to eventuallybreak through.
I know Dodie has goals with thepodcast.
I have certain things I want todo with the podcast.
I got things that I hope thatit brings me.
You know what I'm saying Like,not even like one thing, and I'm
(01:01:51):
about to get up out of here.
I'm about to get up out of here.
But one thing that I don'tthink about with this podcast is
getting paid Right, and if itcome, I'm not.
I'm not running from it, but Ihave.
I love to talk about music, welove to conversate about music,
(01:02:11):
and there are certain peoplethat I personally want to sit
down with.
I mean, it ain't even got to bewith a camera, but like a Joe
Budden, a Charlamagne, an Eminem, if life brings me that way,
you know what I'm saying A bigcrit.
There's people I just want tosit down and talk music with a
Kendrick Lamar, a Drake, shit.
Like I said, it don't even haveto be recorded, like I just
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want to be in a room withcertain people talking about
this.
This is what I love.
You know what I'm saying.
So, yeah, that's that.
On that, we'll talk about thatmore later, but again, we do
appreciate y'all for followingus and checking us out.
Thank you for listening toanother episode of Late to the
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Party with Doty and Reggie.
I am Reggie.
Shout out to Doty and we'll beback.
Peace man we out.
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