May 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Brothers Troy and Reggie Smith reunite for a special edition of Chatterboxing, exploring their shared history and the different paths they've taken in life. Their candid conversation reveals how sibling influence shapes our journeys and how learning to ask for help might be the key to going farther.
• Troy expresses pride in Reggie's accomplishments and growth throughout life
• Reggie acknowledges how Troy inspired his music career and professional development
• Discussion of the tendency to take "the long way" instead of asking for help
• Troy's journey from boredom in his career to discovering a passion for barbecue
• Early cooking experiences making pancakes and biscuits from flour and water
• The brothers' shared perspectives on current music industry battles and celebrity controversies
• Reflections on building community versus trying to accomplish everything alone
• The wisdom that going with others helps you go farther in life, even if it's not faster
Follow Troy on social media @TroyMSmith35 and on YouTube at mostmoto365.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
because you don't want to miss no content.
That's how you add everything.
Yeah, that's how you do it.
Then you edit, then you edit,then you edit.
Yes, yes, yo, what's going on?
Special edition of wechatterboxing today,
chatterboxing, chatterboxingtoday.
This is my big brother, captainT Troy Smith.
(00:20):
Some of you may know him, andI'm still Reggie, nothing's
changed.
Troy Smith some of you may knowhim, and I'm still Reggie,
nothing's changed.
Reggie Smith Nothing's changed.
Reginald Xavier wholegovernment.
Reginald Xavier Smith, wholegovernment.
Name Senior, senior when he wasborn.
It is the senior, yeah, it'sthe senior.
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So we got a few things that wecan talk about.
What's on your mind today?
First of all, man I, when areyou going to record?
And he wasn't getting a hint.
He wasn't getting a hint tolike literally set up so we can
go ahead and record something.
Let's go do something, becauseit's not all the time that we're
able to do this.
True, right, true.
I live in a whole other city.
It seems like it's in anotherstate at far it is, but it ain't
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that far, though.
It's really not.
It's only two and a half hours.
You can stretch a highway.
Yeah, just stretch a highway.
But I don't think he got thehint when I said, reggie, this
is going to go ahead and record.
Well, see, I got the hint,uh-huh Right, but you was really
waiting it out.
My brain was on what was aboutto happen, like what's going on?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we here,we here now.
We here and we're chattering,and we chatter, yes, chatterbox.
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Oh man, we sound so good on themicrophone.
This is what we do.
If y'all heard me talk about medoing musing and stuff, this is
part of the reason that I gotinto music.
My big brother heard himrapping, doing music, and he
said I can do it better.
Look, I don't usually lie whenI talk about it.
He has said it, I have said ita couple times, but he didn't
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like agree to it, but I was like, yeah, I mean, I was good, he
is, he's much better, he's myfavorite rapper.
Yeah, I was good, yeah, yeah.
So you know, though, this iswhy I wanted to record so much.
I'm going to look at you in youreye.
I'm proud of you, though.
Oh, thanks, and I'm so thankfulthat you are my brother and we
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get to do it.
I get to see you grow andflourish in whatever you be
doing, because when yousomething polished, right, take
a pile of doo-doo, then you pileit up and the next thing you
know we got crap, crap.
You got to add the accent.
Wow, I thought that was justdoo-doo.
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No, it's crap, okay, but no, Iappreciate that man.
Yeah, that's the truth, man, Ilike to, like, I tell the kids,
I mean, when you do it, I meando it, you know what I'm saying.
It take me time, which you know.
It take me time to actuallystart on things.
Come this way.
I think I need to go this way.
It's, a bridge is out, but justcome this way, because I feel
like I can get it done withoutgoing the way everybody else is
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going.
True, which sometimes it works,yeah, but also later on in life
, I realized it was unnecessary.
But you do it.
Good though, you do get it.
Yeah, thank you.
So it might be, a bridge is out.
You at least start building abridge and then you may complete
it and then you don't go acrossthe bridge no more.
No, I just I'd be like well, Igot it done, I did it.
That's what matters the most,that's all I need to do, but I
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do.
I always looked up to you.
I looked up to you at times.
Now let me tell you, notlooking up there, definitely not
.
What I'm saying is that youencourage me, man.
You encourage me a lot.
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So when I seen you do like whenyou was, I always go back to it
.
But when you was a manager atone time, at 18 years old, and
you're having these grown peoplecome to you say, hey, rich, can
I go take a smoke break?
Yeah, you got five minutes.
I'm like this through 18because we got to keep the ball
and then.
But then I was in college,going to school to do stuff, to
become somebody's manager.
My brother's already doing it,then go to college at all.
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So they inspired me, you know,encourage me, and that's why I
always try to help you.
If I can encourage you, helpyou get to where you need to be,
even if it's something a littlebit here, I can just try to
push it along to see you getthere, man, and you do, and you
do help.
I appreciate it At least.
Again, me trying to do it on myown.
It took me time to even reallyask him what machines to use for
the podcast.
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Why is that?
Tell me Tell the truth world,though, because I'm I feel like
asking for help sometimes.
Yeah, it's like a weaknessthing.
Oh.
So I feel like let me figure itout and then, once I get there,
I'll be like, see, I didn'tneed nobody.
But the older I'm getting, I'malso understanding that you got
to build that community which,just like you was telling me
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over there, I'm gonna give youso-and-so number.
My brain, I have the number,but I can't, I can't, I don't
know how to build on to, um, theconnections I build.
Oh, because I feel like I justdo it, I'll get there on my own,
don't worry about it.
And the older you got, youstart to notice that I can't get
.
I can get there, and it takesme a while to get there.
If I go with someone, we'regonna get there together.
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Yeah, faster, quicker, maybeeven better, you know, able to
show it to the world a littlebit quicker If you go further.
So, like the saying says, ifyou want to go somewhere fast,
excuse me, go by yourself, butif you want to go somewhere far,
go with others.
And that's the important part,you know, go with others If you
can get there to use somebodyelse's experience.
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Or let's say this utilize, notuse.
Utilize somebody else'sexperience.
Or let's say this utilize, notuse.
Utilize somebody else'sexperience to help you get there
and go further.
You actually may go further andget there quicker than you
thought you would.
Yeah, and and again, older.
Yes, I think about even withmusic, when I was doing music.
There are so many opportunities.
That was there, and I was justlike I don't need you though.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, not sayingthat I always use that need as a
like.
If you need somebody, you justyou don't know what you're doing
, true, but it's not necessarilyneed, it's just a hey, we can
do this together and end up.
I turned down some things.
Yeah, we know that.
Yeah, we know, we know the mainstory.
Now, that guy might be gettingclowned now, but it would have
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been much funner, it would havebeen a better situation if you
were there with him on the way.
So I look back on stuff likethat, but now I'm trying to let
me calm down, because my wifetells me the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you always gothe long way for no reason.
Hey, sometimes some people liketo see the route, they like to
see the scene and see the treesand see that there's no more.
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Does anybody live out here?
There's nobody else here but me.
Yeah, that can be kind ofboring, and it is.
It is sometimes.
I found myself.
That's where I am now evencutting hair right now, and I'm
in that place by myself, and itwas good in the beginning.
Now I'm getting to a pointwhere it's like I need some
people, I need some friends,yeah, yeah, because I don't have
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nobody to talk to.
That's a good example.
Have you ever?
I know your kids have grown now, but have you ever seen the
movie Legos with Batman?
Yeah, and when they got a song?
When he's by himself.
But when he became he was asuperhero.
He went home to the cave byhimself, he went to go eat by
himself, and it's like I have nofriends.
So what good is it to be asuperhero and have everything
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you want with nobody tocelebrate with?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, two things I want to talkabout before we get out there.
Let's go.
What made you want to get intodoing barbecue or being a grill
master?
So during my surgery process, Itook time off.
Now does people know about yoursurgery process?
People know.
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If you don't know.
I had weight loss surgery.
So during that process of takingmy time off at work, I'm just
scanning through my cable TV.
It's the only guy in the restof the world that still has
cable TV.
I'm scanning through thechannels and I run by Barbecue
Pitmaster competition show.
So I'm just watching it and Iwas like I can do that.
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Out the blue, out the blue.
I was just like I think I cando that and Trisha's like what
you mean?
I think I can make a brisket.
I've watched two episodes.
I think I can make a brisket.
So I got online, ordered agrill and then I thought I just
needed a grill.
But then there's differentgrills and now I'm just to a
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point where it's like I'll getinto that.
I can do that, but also I'mbored with my career.
Oh, so that gives me somethingon the side to let me take my
mind away from this for a secondand just do something else.
Now that'd be interesting ifyou weren't good.
What Would you be bored withyour career if you were not good
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or successful at it?
That I don't know.
That's not going to be aquestion for anybody.
Hey, if you're looking at thiswhenever this is, I'm going to
put it out If you don't put itout no-transcript.
Think about that for a second,because people say they're bored
with their career when they'veactually thought they've made it
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, and I guess that's a part ofit.
I feel like during my in mycareer, it's like I'm doing it
for it makes me money.
Now Okay, but there's no in mymind.
There's no level to get toAlthough there is.
There's just nothing that Iwant to do.
Like I don't want to do thestage competitions and all that
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stuff.
I'm just cutting hair and it'slike I need something else.
Even though you can take thatcutting hair to a higher level,
possibly by charging differentprice, by going to more
executive lines, I don't feellike and this might be stupid on
my end I don't feel rightcharging people more for
haircuts.
(09:38):
So, like I just went up on theprices and as of right now,
unless something crazy happened,I don't see me ever going up
again.
So I know I can start toadvertise to um, maybe cutting
celebrities or cutting peoplelike that.
Yeah, cutting celebrities,that's crazy.
I say that because not a Paulstay.
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The fact is that you know, ifDave Chappelle started making
$50 million, I suppose, and then, everywhere he went, they said
hey, man, that's $30,000.
You're like first it was just$15 before I came to the door,
yeah, man, but you're makingmore money now.
You're making more money now,$30,000 to cut.
So they might be thinking thatwhen you said that.
But you know what's, crazyAside, about celebrities, a lot
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of them don't want to pay youfor haircuts.
They say, dude, by me showing Iget my hair cut by you, you
might get paid more.
You're going to get some.
We had a rapper come to town.
Okay, they was like hey, canyou come to the hotel and cut me
and the crew?
All right, sure, although Idon't like doing traveling cuts.
Sure, this is what it's goingto be.
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Oh well, he thought that youcould do it just on the strength
of oh no, so you just be there.
You want me to pack upeverything and come to the hotel
.
Now, I did still end up cuttingtwo of his bodyguards.
They came to the shop, but theypaid you though.
Yeah, they paid me.
They came to the shop, got cut.
Now, I don't.
I mean, I do know who cut himeventually ended up cutting him
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For free.
You don't know, I don't know,because you cut my hair.
Yeah, it'll look a certain wayfor you, but no, not on my end,
I don't do that.
But yeah, I'm just kind ofbored with my.
I still love cutting hair and Ilove what I'm doing, but
sometimes it's just like, andthen I think being in that
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studio by myself kind of addsinto man.
I need something else to do.
So that's where the brisketcame.
But you had the weight loss.
So, knowing you can't eat noneof this stuff, I can't even eat.
I still can't eat certain stuff, but you're doing that.
So the little bites I take oncamera, usually y'all like to
eat.
That's how you do it.
For the day, I take about twoor three bites.
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I'm full.
Look, y'all got Okay, so that'sone thing.
So you got into it and say Ican do it better.
I can do that, not just do itbetter.
Yeah, I just think, watchingthem episodes, I'm just laying
in a bed.
I think I can make a brisket.
So then you say you want to dosomething else.
When you just lay in a bed,recuperate, you say I think I
want to.
Well, you said a lot of things.
You to culinary school.
I was like but guess what,though?
You actually have been cooking.
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We just talked to our kids abouthe's been cooking for us for a
long time.
I like cooking Because he wasthe default as the middle child,
right, the middle child always.
So my mama said if our mamathis is my real brother in real
life yes, if our mama called,when you're in a single parent
household, your mama may say,hey, and that A could be for
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everybody.
Bring me something to drink.
Me and Marcus would just lookat each other, hey, and then
Reggie, being tired of hearingit, he just gets up and go do it
.
So when it came down to it,when it came down to cooking
something, hey, he go do it, I'mhungry, he going to do it.
But guess what, though?
Let me tell you what we waseating though.
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Straight up flour and water,making bread.
That's nothing but paste inthere, that's nothing but paste.
We made pancakes.
Pancakes out of bread, I meanout of flour and water.
Biscuits out of flour and waterEverything just flour and water
.
I mean that cannot be healthyat all, though, when you think
about it?
No, Not at all.
(13:19):
No, it's just all sugar juststicks on your body.
Look that, with syrup on itmight be a biscuit and a pancake
.
I mean I just see that becauseMrs Butter's work, but still I
mean, yeah, so he's been cookingfor a long time.
So you thought you'd go toculinary school, yeah, so I was
wanting to do that, and then Icalled UT because they got one
at UT.
I called them, I emailed them,talked about it.
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They was like, but our classesis only Tuesday, they was Monday
through Friday, 8 to 5.
I'm a barber, though, so thatain't going to work for me.
So, flipping through channels,I came across that I saw people
cooking.
I was like your mama actuallysaid that.
She was like you don't need togo to school to cook, just start
cooking.
Just start cooking.
That's right, look at that.
That's your mama's way andthat's all I've been doing.
(14:01):
I mean I cook for the householdanyway.
Yeah.
So, adding the grill to it andthe barbecue type of guy, I mean
I would do burgers Neither oneof them Hot dogs and stuff like
that.
Anybody talking about no pulledpork?
Hey, give me some grilledturkey, yeah.
Yeah, ain't nobody doing allthat, but now I'm trying to do
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it all.
Yeah, you, that guy squeezingthe juice out of it?
Look at that.
Ooh, cut some out of it.
Make sure you follow me Likethe Dane Old Porno.
Look at this.
You see this, yeah, and itlooked good.
And then I started watchingpeople on YouTube and I'm like
you know what that looked good?
They would squeeze the meat,even though they say don't
squeeze the meat, hey, pause,pause.
But they say don't squeeze themeat, don't squeeze the meat.
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Then I did my hair like thiswhat's that about?
For what?
Come on, man, squeeze the.
That's what they call it.
Muscle memory, muscle memory,muscle memory.
It went right back to me.
That's bad, that's bad, but,damn, that's what I'm doing, man
, and that's my.
They call it a weekend warrior.
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When you don't do Competitionstuff, you Every weekend, you in
the back, you just grilling,yeah, yeah, that's my goal,
that's my Hobby right now.
I don't want to say nothingelse, but that's my hobby right
now.
And you did the music thing andall.
So, as we know, I mean, whenyou go back to your food stuff,
I mean when I say he was amanager, he was a manager of a
local restaurant here at 18, 17,18 years old.
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Everywhere he's gone, he's beena leader there.
Now, without happening, he'slike a de facto leader.
He just hey, would you do this.
And he just I'd do it and do itwell, man.
So kudos to you, man.
Yeah, I appreciate you.
I'm proud of you, dog, and Ilike that.
I like the fact that my brotherand I say that myself when I see
my brother now, because byReggie, like he said, when I see
him doing what he was doing,I'm you all right, yeah, making
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sure it was recording.
Sometimes you have memory cardsthat, oh, it's about done.
No, we're good, we're good.
I'm just glad to see, I'm justglad I get to spend some time
with my brother.
I mean, I'm glad when we domusic.
I love the fact when I did asong or something like that, he
would be on it.
I can say I'm going to get mybrother on it.
So when you apparatus set up, Igotta record something with him
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before he go, before I go.
I'm going home Before he.
I want to do something, justgoing home.
I want to do something with mybrother on the strip doing
records.
So I want to make sure we havesomething down In history.
I was there when he did it.
I did it before, but we had todo it virtually.
(16:36):
Yeah, during the COVID thing.
Covid was a fun time.
It was an interesting time,interesting time.
A lot of people make money nowand it's like, yeah, they make
money now, what that?
You made it, you made it, butit Maybe, like you know, spray
your bags and stuff like that.
Just thinking about the stuffthat we had to go through at
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those times and I couldn't workfor six months, oh, yeah, that's
right, and you definitely workon the by the job.
Yeah, you had to do someUnderground Railroad type stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we figuredsome things out.
But in the beginning you meet mein the crawl space In the
beginning, when you didn't knowwhat was going on.
Yeah, oh, that's true, andother people didn't care.
I lost a couple of clients atthat time because they was like
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you know what's funny, becausethey was like what, go ahead,
finish it.
But they was just saying likeyou can't cut me, like no, fam,
I don't know what's going on.
Now, looking back on it now youmight want to say no, what shit
happening?
No, bump that.
But I'm saying I didn't knowwhat was going on Because I
could just come to your crib, myhouse, with a car.
You can't come to my house,you're bringing death to the
(17:42):
doorstep.
You can't come to my crib, dude.
You got to tell us about that,though, real quick, about how,
when you say you sick orsomething like and I done talked
to you on the phone a couple oftimes hey man, I know you might
be sick though, but can youstill cut my hair how that make
you feel when somebody do.
I mean, hey man, I know youmight be on your deathbed, but
can you still get fit in?
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It's funny, because I said thatto my wife the other day Like
you could be going through themost traumatic thing in your
life.
Somebody will call you hey man,I ain't going to be able to cut
this week.
Death in the family yeah, I'm insurgery.
Yeah, so you're not going to bein.
None, you're not going to behere at all today, so you're not
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here today.
What about tomorrow, fam, Iwon't be in this week.
If I pay you more, you thinkyou can cut.
That's what I'm saying.
No, I'm not going to be there,but no, I'm not going to be
there, but they don't.
Which, hey, I'm glad I gotclients.
That's like yeah, but I don'twant nobody else cutting my hair
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but theydon't give a damn about what you
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got going on.
That's almost like when my wifesay I got you tonight, and then
you, like you know the wholeday I'm thinking about tonight,
right, I'm going to all of asudden say, hey, I'm not the no,
no, no, you said so, we ain'tgoing to do nothing today.
Let me ask you this real quickwhy is men right?
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Don't ask for much, not at allAt all.
Don't get in trouble, though.
Don't get in trouble, though.
Both wives are around and werecord.
So go ahead, finish yourthought.
This might be good For content,the one thing, that's it,
that's one.
But when you Cause, you gottaask for it.
(19:28):
You got to.
So when you ask for it, do youhave to?
Okay, but when you ask for itOn day one, right, you get a no,
right, yeah.
You ask for it on day one,right, you get, you get a no,
right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what, on day two, it'slike.
Is that how you think about it?
Yes, I mean, I've been doingthis for a long time, I've been
doing this for a very long time,but that's all I think about.
I've noticed that that's.
(19:49):
I want to roll over it, butyeah, but if you, if you, if you
get the apple, you might nothave a taste for that apple.
The next you might not, youmight not, but if you get it,
not too bad, not too bad, can Ihave another one of these?
Can I have another one of these?
(20:10):
Yeah, all right, squash it Allright, let's go.
We're going to move on fromthat before anybody gets in
trouble.
This right here.
I got to ask you before we dipYo, what's up?
This is fun.
I love my brother doing this.
Yeah, this is nice, but you gotto talk.
I want to know what yourthoughts on Cassie and P Diddy
case.
Very quick, I'm putting on theline right now.
We so look, this is my thing onCassie's stuff.
(20:39):
I don't know right, there's alot with the trial.
Some things have came out thatCassie agreed to, but like,
because there's a thing aboutI'm going to just start with the
drug use, right, and it waslike Diddy got her, got her own
drugs and then, but people likenow they're like, yeah, but he
tried to get her off of drugs,but if you introduce it to her
(21:02):
in the wrong way, did heintroduce it to her?
That was the word, because they, bobby, get introduced to
introduce whitney the drugs, ordid whitney introduce bobby,
whitney introduced bobby.
But we found out about that winLater on, after when she After
yeah, all that, yeah, mm-hmm,but but Okay, okay, just because
(21:24):
let's say she enjoys the freegolf.
Right, she said it, she said sheenjoys it.
So let's not say it Notallegedly.
She enjoyed the free golf.
Yes, right, just because sheenjoyed this free golf don't
mean she want to be in part ofall the free golfs, but the data
shows.
She said I can't wait to thenext one.
(21:45):
She might not be able to waitto the next one.
No, she said I can't wait untilthe next, like meaning I want
to do it again.
Yeah, the next one, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Like meaning I want to do itagain.
Yeah, the next one, yeah, yeah,yeah.
And then she said also that,hey, I want to do this to make
sure that he didn't do it withnobody else, right, it's a whole
lot of damning material comingout.
(22:05):
At first it come out to say hemade me do it on my time of the
month, and then you got oh, wait, wait, wait, can I show you
this?
It says that are you at thattime of the month.
You say yes.
He says okay, we do it anothertime.
You say no, I'm good.
Well, now you caught up insomething.
(22:27):
But you got two things to worryabout.
You want to do it or you don't.
You don't want to do it.
If you don't want to do it, ifyou don't want to do it, you
ain't got nothing to worry about.
But if you want to do it, yougot two more things to worry
about.
You got two more things toworry about.
But I understand that.
I understand.
But you also.
You get to a point where if shewas forced into it, right,
(22:50):
maybe she don't want nobody elseto happen to her, but now she
done got hooked on the life thatyou forced her into in the
beginning.
Now she's just used to it.
She's forced, got it, just usedto it.
Now she's forced into it.
What they call it Stockholm.
Yeah, oh God.
I just wanted to say Don't hitme with the Stockholm syndrome.
I just wanted to say Don't hitme with the Stockholm.
(23:11):
The whole point is Diddy's ontrial for RICO charges, criminal
enterprise ideas, all thatstuff, but right now it's
looking like someone else was inpart running it.
Yeah, what if it backfired.
Well see, I don't get the RICObecause there's only one person
on trial, that's right.
There's one person on trialracketeering all the other stuff
(23:31):
, yeah, and there's nothingshowing about no traffic and it
just shows a domestic type issue.
So we and all the other stuff,yeah, and there's nothing
showing about no traffic and itjust shows a domestic type issue
.
So we're not on traffic.
Even with all that going, I dothink they only gonna get him on
like some prostitution shit,like who, who, him or her, I
mean.
What I'm saying is in the senseof him flying people in, but he
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didn't pay for it.
From what I've seen, it showedthat she was the one choosing
the guys and paying for them andthe dudes on the trial the guys
that had come show up allegedlynot allegedly.
They said that hey, she the onepaid me.
I didn't get paid by him.
But this is also not a trialfor Cassie and Dizzo.
It's not Just like it wasn't atrial for Megan and Tory Lanez,
(24:16):
but what I'm saying is theybrought so that Tory Lanez thing
was about him having a gunCorrect In California.
Their main witness was Meganbecause he supposedly shot her
with the gun Right.
He lost.
I was surprised he lost.
I'm not surprised he lost, ohyeah.
Only because if there'sevidence showing that somebody
else did it, you're on trial.
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But you also say, nah, thatperson didn't do it.
Oh, you see, you shouldn't havesaid that.
He said that, yeah, hetestified to himself and said
that he didn't testify, but thelawyers was like him talking and
doing what he doing, because hestill was dropping music, he
was still rambling.
Oh yeah, and that's right, hewas doing too much.
If there's evidence showingthat Kelsey did shoot the gun,
(25:00):
whether you aimed it at her ornot, oh, the other girl, the
other girl.
So if there's evidence showingthat she did it.
But then you say I didn't do it, but she also didn't do it,
it's only two people.
And the bodyguard, the driver,didn't show up.
Yeah, yeah, he was a bigwitness too.
He dipped down, he was a big.
Well, I think Torrey's lawyersTrash, terrible Trash, because
(25:24):
they were saying, not Torrey'slawyers, but the other people
was like we have other witnesses, but we have to prep them.
And Torrey's lawyers was likenah, this is going to stretch
the trial out a little too long.
So, nah, nah, this is going tostretch the trial out a little
too long.
So nah, we good, let's wrap itup.
So do you think PD is going toget off on?
I think he's going to servesome time.
He already served it.
(25:45):
You think he's going to gettime served.
He's not going to be in therefor long, though.
Is it going to be an 8 weektrial, and they got something on
them?
They would have showed it now.
The first week should have beenthe straight bomb.
That's why I think they don'thave nothing Right, because I
think Cassie is they big,because there's video of Cassie
(26:05):
getting beat, that one video,that one video, but it's still
there.
It still exists.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI'm saying.
I think they banking on showingthat to the court and saying,
see, this is what he do, but Ithink that should have been
later on, like after y'all, kindof.
But they set in the stage, foryou know, I'm saying like it's
(26:28):
nigga crazy.
Yeah, I think they could say hecrazy, he's freaking nasty and
all that stuff, but that's notwhat he's gonna try for.
He's gonna try for that.
So, just like when cassie said,if you don't get rid of this
video, she said she actuallythreatened someone to say I will
have you killed.
Yeah, so that's what I wastalking to my wife about.
It's funny that how people, ifit is beneficial to you, it's
(26:51):
all good, like abortion is allgood.
No, it's not good Not saying it, but abortion, I'm coming.
Okay now, abortion is not goodif it ain't got nothing to do
for you.
If it all of a sudden, it'sokay if you have to do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like.
When it comes down to it, I canthreaten somebody and do all
this other stuff, okay, but nowI just want to.
(27:15):
I mean, it's not beneficial tome, no more.
So I feel bad.
Somebody made me do it.
That is it.
Yeah, you used the benefit andpower before, but now it's not
beneficial.
So I'm going to back out and Ididn't want to do it.
And he made me do it, I think.
But he did.
He groomed her in the beginning.
Oh God, he groomed her in thebeginning.
(27:35):
So everybody get groomed whenyou're a certain age, but when
they doing this, all good, untilyou not want to do it.
Now you groom me.
Yeah, it's almost like ShannonSharpe.
Shannon Sharpe was so green,shannon Sharpe was so that's a
simp.
That's just stupid.
Hey, that was.
I mean, shannon Sharpe's a cooldude and all that sound like
she was recording.
(27:55):
You Don't do this, shannon.
I would have been like why youchange your voice like that?
Why you talking like that?
She's like so what are we doing?
Again?
You said you were going tochoke.
You said, fam, it sounds awful,I'm going to call you back.
Click, something ain't right.
Why you talking like that?
She ain't never sounded likethat.
You going to choke me, right?
Yeah, at 430?
(28:19):
, yeah, yeah.
And he, like, I'm going tochoke you in public one more
time.
Say it again.
Who said, who said what if Ichoke you in public?
How that look, big black manchoking.
Don't choke me, shannon, but ifyou move that way, I mean, hey,
he got caught up in that Green,though Super green Young one.
He's a greenback.
He's a greenback.
Well, anything you want to askbefore we go, man, anything you
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had a thought about as a host ohman, I was unprepared, almost.
We're never unprepared, we'realways ready to go Unprepared.
No, not really.
Have you been paying attentionto any of the battle raps going
on right now?
So the last Big Shine now.
And all that, yeah, going onright now.
So the last that with Big Seanand them and all that?
Yeah, so can you.
So Reggie is my person, I speakand call, ask questions about
(29:02):
music stuff.
I would like to know.
So the guy from, is it Devon,devon or whatever?
The guy from TV, rayvon Rayvon,rayvon, he's the one now.
His verse was dope.
Yeah, he was fire.
Then Joey I think anotherpodcast said it best when it
come down to regions, yeah, whenJoey Badass was rapping, it
didn't seem, I guess, his regionor where he's from.
(29:25):
Yeah, where he's from.
He sounded like he was cookingthem.
Yeah, but I'm not from the WestCoast and that dude was bomb.
I mean, that was killing it.
I was like that's dope.
So what they beefing?
Is it because Joey Badass wentafter the West Coast people?
So pretty much Okay.
So at the beginning of the year,joey Badass dropped a song
called A Ruler's Back.
Okay, so it actually starts inJanuary.
(29:47):
Okay, he calls out Kendrickbecause he really wants to
battle Kendrick.
Right, which Kendrick?
He better be careful.
We see what happened whensomebody calling Kendrick out,
he ain't saying nothing and heain't saying nothing.
But again, just like they didwith Drake, everybody was like
Kendrick's picking a good timeto go at Drake because Drake was
on tour but Drake tour wasending.
(30:09):
Joey calling out Kendrick inthe middle of the tour.
His tour don't end untillikeember or august or something
like that.
So right now calling them outand he don't respond quickly,
because nowadays you gottarespond quick.
If he don't respond back tojoey, the online minions will be
(30:29):
like joey's joey one.
You keep calling him out.
Right, but joey made the rulersback.
He called out the west coast.
He, he aimed at kendrick, jaycole.
Jay cole is not responding.
He, jay cole, just smart.
Now he like I'm not sayingnothing and he better not say
nothing.
I think he should.
He better not.
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No, look, so he's in alose-lose situation.
Regardless, regardless.
He should have stayed becauseif he, if he, if he responds to
joey, it's gonna be like oh, butwhat about cook?
You don't do it in your mouth,right?
If he, if somebody calls youout and you still you don't
respond, you still look crazybecause it's like so you just
(31:11):
gonna let this nigga just stompall over you.
You know what I'm saying.
But Joey just set the tone forbattle, rap, for the competition
.
Daylight responded, then RayVaughn came out and then they
did the cypher, which is the RedBull cypher.
Oh, the Red Bull cypher is last.
Yeah, right, those two versesand things like that was before
(31:33):
the Red Bull thing.
Nah, the cypher came.
And then Ray Vaughn respondedagain Okay.
And then Joey responded Okay,now you got Reason jumping in,
which Reason did a great job,but no one cares about you.
It's almost like Big Sean onForge.
Big Sean, he get left behindregardless.
Every time Big Sean can rap tome, he can rap his ass off.
(31:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the only thing about BigSean can rap to me, he can rap
his ass off.
But the only thing about BigSean.
And it started with the ControlVerse because it was Big Sean's
song.
And then Kendrick just calledout everybody in 2013 or 2012.
Which he wasn't talking like.
Big Chris said he didn't evendiss him on it.
He didn't diss nobody.
He was just like this iscompetition.
And he even said I got love fory'all, but I'm trying to murder
y'all which is love for y'all,but I'm trying to murder y'all
(32:15):
which is in.
I've done songs with otherpeople, just like that, where,
hey, let's go at each other onthis song, not in a like I hate
you type of way, like decipherdid decipher, they went each
other a little bit right there,everything's cool and that's why
this, this rap competitionright now, I actually like,
because I don't feel like it'sgonna get to a pedophile or a
woman beater and stuff like that.
(32:36):
You know what I'm saying, which, if it's just strictly rap, I
think it's good.
The only reason I think it'sgoing to fall apart because it's
going to end up being a bunchof people that nobody cares
about rapping to each other.
Nobody cares.
I'm not going to lose any.
When Drake was doing all that, Iwas up all night calling Reggie
, did you?
And then we on the phone andReggie say, dude, he just
(32:59):
dropped.
You know what I'm saying?
That was the two, that was thetwo titans going at each other.
Right, right, right now.
This, like when it was Kendrickand Drake, they gain new fans
from it.
The casual listener is not theynot caring about this right now
(33:20):
.
The hip hop in me, I'm on it,yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm listening
to it.
I want to know everything.
Right, right, right.
But if you not, most peopledon't even know who Reason is.
No, a lot of people don't knowJoey Badass.
No, and that's'd been on.
Yeah, I didn't know he actuallywas a person Like I'm not a
person, but like a person that'slike need to be known about.
(33:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, he gave hisalbum 1999, back in 2000 and
whatever.
Which great album.
But then he went to acting.
He did, yeah, he acts on power,he's on power, okay, but he's a
bigger actor than he is.
A rapper I probably done seenhim and don't even know who he
(34:03):
is.
Yeah, you don't know who he is.
What's his real name?
Travis Joner or something?
Joner or something?
Oh shit, I don't even know hisreal name.
I bet if I knew his regularname, it's like people probably
don't know.
I remember when I went to themovies one time and Tyrese was
singing.
I watched a Floyd Mayweatherfight in the movies back in 2007
.
When Floyd came out ofretirement Falk Marquez,
(34:25):
whatever they had it in thetheaters and Tyrese was singing
the national anthem.
We know Tyrese from R&B.
And one of the little whitekids said when did Tyrese start
singing?
I'm like God, this dude been inthe movies so long.
Nobody remember that he was anactual.
Nobody knew Ice Cube.
People said that about WillSmith when he just came out.
Yeah, yeah.
It was like you get commentslike people like oh, it's good
(34:46):
to see him trying something else, he should stick to movies.
This dude was a rapper at first.
He's the first rapper Grammywinner.
You know what I'm saying, soit's just.
But yeah, the whole battlething is going to eventually
fall apart because, again, drakeand Kendrick, they set the tone
.
So when they was going back andforth every day, or in them
(35:08):
three hours of whatever they wasdoing, it was exciting.
Now you got Joey Badass from thenorth to the, from the east.
You, you got Joey Badass fromthe north, from the east, you
got five different rappers fromthe west coast.
Nobody's going to show up tothe fight.
No, no one cares.
It's like what they do when, uh, what's that dude, bobby Smurda
, selling tickets, and he'sselling five or six tickets.
(35:28):
That's sad, though, and you gotmillions that fall.
Only five people buying aticket.
Yeah, yeah, no, that'sinteresting.
It looks a way, it looks acertain way.
It looks a certain way, but noone.
Yeah, this is going to fallapart eventually.
Everybody's waiting for Daylightto drop.
Though A turd he be doingantics.
It be so crazy.
He do extra stuff.
(35:49):
He used to do it a lot more.
He done settle down Because heprobably 50.
How old is this dude?
But he but as probably about 40, 50.
But as a battle rapper and Ilove battle rap it's going to be
interesting Because he made asong a couple weeks ago where he
was already predicting JoeyBadass lyrics.
Joey Badass and the Cypher wasdoing all these daylight flips
(36:09):
and they was cool.
But if you go back to the songDaylight dropped a couple weeks
ago called Backpack, he wassaying you're going to say this,
you're going to do this, you'regoing to do this.
You're going to sayda-da-da-da-da daylight.
I'm a battle rapper.
They already been used.
You know what I'm saying.
So to the fans that's just nowhearing the flips, they like, oh
my God, he's going crazy To me.
(36:33):
We know he done, said he wasgay, he not gay, whatever that
type, all that stuff, do allthis.
It's like, yeah, tim, I don'tknow, it's already out there.
It's going to be interesting tosee what he say, but I don't
think if they start dropping toomany tracks, it's going to be
like all right, cuz, just wrapit up, call it a day, which we
about to do.
We're going to wrap it up rightquick.
(36:53):
But I asked you this last bitGo ahead.
Is Kanye done?
Yeah, he done, yeah.
Like like nobody takes himserious, no more at all.
No, they just like ah.
He put out an album drop and heonly sold 6,000 copies first
week, and I usually don't evencare about.
Is it because it wasn't underhis name?
Part of it?
(37:15):
I still think if it would havebeen under Kanye, it would have
done better than 6,000, but Idon't think it would have made a
dent in anything because it'sstill out and nobody's going to
it, even after they found outthat it's under Donda, which is
interesting.
Well, man, hey.
Shout out to Mamalu.
This is Mamalu Boyz, right here, yeah, we are.
Shout out to Knoxville, man,great place to grow up, I'm out
(37:39):
of there, but a great place togrow up.
Shout out to my brother Reggieyes, sir, straight up and him
and his podcast and also theother podcast with Late.
To the Party with Doty, right,yeah, I'm Doty, I'm Doty.
Shout out to my dude, doty man.
Shout out to Doty.
And then also Follow me atTroyMSmith35 On all social media
YouTube, mostmoto365,m-o-s-t-m-o-t-o-365.
(38:04):
And I'm grateful and I'm proudof my brother, though.
I appreciate you Much, love,man.
I like this little 30 minuteconversation yeah, 38 minutes
and 11 seconds, yeah, we good.
Yeah, yeah, well, hey, I guesswe end it.
Ta-da.
Thank you for listening toChatterbox and I'll catch y'all
on the next episode, peace.
because you don't want to miss no content.
That's how you add everything.
Yeah, that's how you do it.
Then you edit, then you edit,then you edit.
Yes, yes, yo, what's going on?
Special edition of wechatterboxing today,
chatterboxing, chatterboxingtoday.
This is my big brother, captainT Troy Smith.
(00:20):
Some of you may know him, andI'm still Reggie, nothing's
changed.
Troy Smith some of you may knowhim, and I'm still Reggie,
nothing's changed.
Reggie Smith Nothing's changed.
Reginald Xavier wholegovernment.
Reginald Xavier Smith, wholegovernment.
Name Senior, senior when he wasborn.
It is the senior, yeah, it'sthe senior.
(00:41):
So we got a few things that wecan talk about.
What's on your mind today?
First of all, man I, when areyou going to record?
And he wasn't getting a hint.
He wasn't getting a hint tolike literally set up so we can
go ahead and record something.
Let's go do something, becauseit's not all the time that we're
able to do this.
True, right, true.
I live in a whole other city.
It seems like it's in anotherstate at far it is, but it ain't
(01:06):
that far, though.
It's really not.
It's only two and a half hours.
You can stretch a highway.
Yeah, just stretch a highway.
But I don't think he got thehint when I said, reggie, this
is going to go ahead and record.
Well, see, I got the hint,uh-huh Right, but you was really
waiting it out.
My brain was on what was aboutto happen, like what's going on?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we here,we here now.
We here and we're chattering,and we chatter, yes, chatterbox.
(01:28):
Oh man, we sound so good on themicrophone.
This is what we do.
If y'all heard me talk about medoing musing and stuff, this is
part of the reason that I gotinto music.
My big brother heard himrapping, doing music, and he
said I can do it better.
Look, I don't usually lie whenI talk about it.
He has said it, I have said ita couple times, but he didn't
(01:50):
like agree to it, but I was like, yeah, I mean, I was good, he
is, he's much better, he's myfavorite rapper.
Yeah, I was good, yeah, yeah.
So you know, though, this iswhy I wanted to record so much.
I'm going to look at you in youreye.
I'm proud of you, though.
Oh, thanks, and I'm so thankfulthat you are my brother and we
(02:11):
get to do it.
I get to see you grow andflourish in whatever you be
doing, because when yousomething polished, right, take
a pile of doo-doo, then you pileit up and the next thing you
know we got crap, crap.
You got to add the accent.
Wow, I thought that was justdoo-doo.
(02:31):
No, it's crap, okay, but no, Iappreciate that man.
Yeah, that's the truth, man, Ilike to, like, I tell the kids,
I mean, when you do it, I meando it, you know what I'm saying.
It take me time, which you know.
It take me time to actuallystart on things.
Come this way.
I think I need to go this way.
It's, a bridge is out, but justcome this way, because I feel
like I can get it done withoutgoing the way everybody else is
(02:53):
going.
True, which sometimes it works,yeah, but also later on in life
, I realized it was unnecessary.
But you do it.
Good though, you do get it.
Yeah, thank you.
So it might be, a bridge is out.
You at least start building abridge and then you may complete
it and then you don't go acrossthe bridge no more.
No, I just I'd be like well, Igot it done, I did it.
That's what matters the most,that's all I need to do, but I
(03:14):
do.
I always looked up to you.
I looked up to you at times.
Now let me tell you, notlooking up there, definitely not
.
What I'm saying is that youencourage me, man.
You encourage me a lot.
(03:35):
So when I seen you do like whenyou was, I always go back to it
.
But when you was a manager atone time, at 18 years old, and
you're having these grown peoplecome to you say, hey, rich, can
I go take a smoke break?
Yeah, you got five minutes.
I'm like this through 18because we got to keep the ball
and then.
But then I was in college,going to school to do stuff, to
become somebody's manager.
My brother's already doing it,then go to college at all.
(03:56):
So they inspired me, you know,encourage me, and that's why I
always try to help you.
If I can encourage you, helpyou get to where you need to be,
even if it's something a littlebit here, I can just try to
push it along to see you getthere, man, and you do, and you
do help.
I appreciate it At least.
Again, me trying to do it on myown.
It took me time to even reallyask him what machines to use for
the podcast.
(04:16):
Why is that?
Tell me Tell the truth world,though, because I'm I feel like
asking for help sometimes.
Yeah, it's like a weaknessthing.
Oh.
So I feel like let me figure itout and then, once I get there,
I'll be like, see, I didn'tneed nobody.
But the older I'm getting, I'malso understanding that you got
to build that community which,just like you was telling me
(04:38):
over there, I'm gonna give youso-and-so number.
My brain, I have the number,but I can't, I can't, I don't
know how to build on to, um, theconnections I build.
Oh, because I feel like I justdo it, I'll get there on my own,
don't worry about it.
And the older you got, youstart to notice that I can't get
.
I can get there, and it takesme a while to get there.
If I go with someone, we'regonna get there together.
(05:00):
Yeah, faster, quicker, maybeeven better, you know, able to
show it to the world a littlebit quicker If you go further.
So, like the saying says, ifyou want to go somewhere fast,
excuse me, go by yourself, butif you want to go somewhere far,
go with others.
And that's the important part,you know, go with others If you
can get there to use somebodyelse's experience.
(05:22):
Or let's say this utilize, notuse.
Utilize somebody else'sexperience.
Or let's say this utilize, notuse.
Utilize somebody else'sexperience to help you get there
and go further.
You actually may go further andget there quicker than you
thought you would.
Yeah, and and again, older.
Yes, I think about even withmusic, when I was doing music.
There are so many opportunities.
That was there, and I was justlike I don't need you though.
(05:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not sayingthat I always use that need as a
like.
If you need somebody, you justyou don't know what you're doing
, true, but it's not necessarilyneed, it's just a hey, we can
do this together and end up.
I turned down some things.
Yeah, we know that.
Yeah, we know, we know the mainstory.
Now, that guy might be gettingclowned now, but it would have
(06:03):
been much funner, it would havebeen a better situation if you
were there with him on the way.
So I look back on stuff likethat, but now I'm trying to let
me calm down, because my wifetells me the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you always gothe long way for no reason.
Hey, sometimes some people liketo see the route, they like to
see the scene and see the treesand see that there's no more.
(06:26):
Does anybody live out here?
There's nobody else here but me.
Yeah, that can be kind ofboring, and it is.
It is sometimes.
I found myself.
That's where I am now evencutting hair right now, and I'm
in that place by myself, and itwas good in the beginning.
Now I'm getting to a pointwhere it's like I need some
people, I need some friends,yeah, yeah, because I don't have
(06:46):
nobody to talk to.
That's a good example.
Have you ever?
I know your kids have grown now, but have you ever seen the
movie Legos with Batman?
Yeah, and when they got a song?
When he's by himself.
But when he became he was asuperhero.
He went home to the cave byhimself, he went to go eat by
himself, and it's like I have nofriends.
So what good is it to be asuperhero and have everything
(07:08):
you want with nobody tocelebrate with?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, two things I want to talkabout before we get out there.
Let's go.
What made you want to get intodoing barbecue or being a grill
master?
So during my surgery process, Itook time off.
Now does people know about yoursurgery process?
People know.
(07:29):
If you don't know.
I had weight loss surgery.
So during that process of takingmy time off at work, I'm just
scanning through my cable TV.
It's the only guy in the restof the world that still has
cable TV.
I'm scanning through thechannels and I run by Barbecue
Pitmaster competition show.
So I'm just watching it and Iwas like I can do that.
(07:51):
Out the blue, out the blue.
I was just like I think I cando that and Trisha's like what
you mean?
I think I can make a brisket.
I've watched two episodes.
I think I can make a brisket.
So I got online, ordered agrill and then I thought I just
needed a grill.
But then there's differentgrills and now I'm just to a
(08:12):
point where it's like I'll getinto that.
I can do that, but also I'mbored with my career.
Oh, so that gives me somethingon the side to let me take my
mind away from this for a secondand just do something else.
Now that'd be interesting ifyou weren't good.
What Would you be bored withyour career if you were not good
(08:34):
or successful at it?
That I don't know.
That's not going to be aquestion for anybody.
Hey, if you're looking at thiswhenever this is, I'm going to
put it out If you don't put itout no-transcript.
Think about that for a second,because people say they're bored
with their career when they'veactually thought they've made it
(08:57):
, and I guess that's a part ofit.
I feel like during my in mycareer, it's like I'm doing it
for it makes me money.
Now Okay, but there's no in mymind.
There's no level to get toAlthough there is.
There's just nothing that Iwant to do.
Like I don't want to do thestage competitions and all that
(09:18):
stuff.
I'm just cutting hair and it'slike I need something else.
Even though you can take thatcutting hair to a higher level,
possibly by charging differentprice, by going to more
executive lines, I don't feellike and this might be stupid on
my end I don't feel rightcharging people more for
haircuts.
(09:38):
So, like I just went up on theprices and as of right now,
unless something crazy happened,I don't see me ever going up
again.
So I know I can start toadvertise to um, maybe cutting
celebrities or cutting peoplelike that.
Yeah, cutting celebrities,that's crazy.
I say that because not a Paulstay.
(10:00):
The fact is that you know, ifDave Chappelle started making
$50 million, I suppose, and then, everywhere he went, they said
hey, man, that's $30,000.
You're like first it was just$15 before I came to the door,
yeah, man, but you're makingmore money now.
You're making more money now,$30,000 to cut.
So they might be thinking thatwhen you said that.
But you know what's, crazyAside, about celebrities, a lot
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of them don't want to pay youfor haircuts.
They say, dude, by me showing Iget my hair cut by you, you
might get paid more.
You're going to get some.
We had a rapper come to town.
Okay, they was like hey, canyou come to the hotel and cut me
and the crew?
All right, sure, although Idon't like doing traveling cuts.
Sure, this is what it's goingto be.
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Oh well, he thought that youcould do it just on the strength
of oh no, so you just be there.
You want me to pack upeverything and come to the hotel
.
Now, I did still end up cuttingtwo of his bodyguards.
They came to the shop, but theypaid you though.
Yeah, they paid me.
They came to the shop, got cut.
Now, I don't.
I mean, I do know who cut himeventually ended up cutting him
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For free.
You don't know, I don't know,because you cut my hair.
Yeah, it'll look a certain wayfor you, but no, not on my end,
I don't do that.
But yeah, I'm just kind ofbored with my.
I still love cutting hair and Ilove what I'm doing, but
sometimes it's just like, andthen I think being in that
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studio by myself kind of addsinto man.
I need something else to do.
So that's where the brisketcame.
But you had the weight loss.
So, knowing you can't eat noneof this stuff, I can't even eat.
I still can't eat certain stuff, but you're doing that.
So the little bites I take oncamera, usually y'all like to
eat.
That's how you do it.
For the day, I take about twoor three bites.
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I'm full.
Look, y'all got Okay, so that'sone thing.
So you got into it and say Ican do it better.
I can do that, not just do itbetter.
Yeah, I just think, watchingthem episodes, I'm just laying
in a bed.
I think I can make a brisket.
So then you say you want to dosomething else.
When you just lay in a bed,recuperate, you say I think I
want to.
Well, you said a lot of things.
You to culinary school.
I was like but guess what,though?
You actually have been cooking.
(12:18):
We just talked to our kids abouthe's been cooking for us for a
long time.
I like cooking Because he wasthe default as the middle child,
right, the middle child always.
So my mama said if our mamathis is my real brother in real
life yes, if our mama called,when you're in a single parent
household, your mama may say,hey, and that A could be for
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everybody.
Bring me something to drink.
Me and Marcus would just lookat each other, hey, and then
Reggie, being tired of hearingit, he just gets up and go do it
.
So when it came down to it,when it came down to cooking
something, hey, he go do it, I'mhungry, he going to do it.
But guess what, though?
Let me tell you what we waseating though.
(12:59):
Straight up flour and water,making bread.
That's nothing but paste inthere, that's nothing but paste.
We made pancakes.
Pancakes out of bread, I meanout of flour and water.
Biscuits out of flour and waterEverything just flour and water
.
I mean that cannot be healthyat all, though, when you think
about it?
No, Not at all.
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No, it's just all sugar juststicks on your body.
Look that, with syrup on itmight be a biscuit and a pancake
.
I mean I just see that becauseMrs Butter's work, but still I
mean, yeah, so he's been cookingfor a long time.
So you thought you'd go toculinary school, yeah, so I was
wanting to do that, and then Icalled UT because they got one
at UT.
I called them, I emailed them,talked about it.
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They was like, but our classesis only Tuesday, they was Monday
through Friday, 8 to 5.
I'm a barber, though, so thatain't going to work for me.
So, flipping through channels,I came across that I saw people
cooking.
I was like your mama actuallysaid that.
She was like you don't need togo to school to cook, just start
cooking.
Just start cooking.
That's right, look at that.
That's your mama's way andthat's all I've been doing.
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I mean I cook for the householdanyway.
Yeah.
So, adding the grill to it andthe barbecue type of guy, I mean
I would do burgers Neither oneof them Hot dogs and stuff like
that.
Anybody talking about no pulledpork?
Hey, give me some grilledturkey, yeah.
Yeah, ain't nobody doing allthat, but now I'm trying to do
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it all.
Yeah, you, that guy squeezingthe juice out of it?
Look at that.
Ooh, cut some out of it.
Make sure you follow me Likethe Dane Old Porno.
Look at this.
You see this, yeah, and itlooked good.
And then I started watchingpeople on YouTube and I'm like
you know what that looked good?
They would squeeze the meat,even though they say don't
squeeze the meat, hey, pause,pause.
But they say don't squeeze themeat, don't squeeze the meat.
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Then I did my hair like thiswhat's that about?
For what?
Come on, man, squeeze the.
That's what they call it.
Muscle memory, muscle memory,muscle memory.
It went right back to me.
That's bad, that's bad, but,damn, that's what I'm doing, man
, and that's my.
They call it a weekend warrior.
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When you don't do Competitionstuff, you Every weekend, you in
the back, you just grilling,yeah, yeah, that's my goal,
that's my Hobby right now.
I don't want to say nothingelse, but that's my hobby right
now.
And you did the music thing andall.
So, as we know, I mean, whenyou go back to your food stuff,
I mean when I say he was amanager, he was a manager of a
local restaurant here at 18, 17,18 years old.
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Everywhere he's gone, he's beena leader there.
Now, without happening, he'slike a de facto leader.
He just hey, would you do this.
And he just I'd do it and do itwell, man.
So kudos to you, man.
Yeah, I appreciate you.
I'm proud of you, dog, and Ilike that.
I like the fact that my brotherand I say that myself when I see
my brother now, because byReggie, like he said, when I see
him doing what he was doing,I'm you all right, yeah, making
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sure it was recording.
Sometimes you have memory cardsthat, oh, it's about done.
No, we're good, we're good.
I'm just glad to see, I'm justglad I get to spend some time
with my brother.
I mean, I'm glad when we domusic.
I love the fact when I did asong or something like that, he
would be on it.
I can say I'm going to get mybrother on it.
So when you apparatus set up, Igotta record something with him
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before he go, before I go.
I'm going home Before he.
I want to do something, justgoing home.
I want to do something with mybrother on the strip doing
records.
So I want to make sure we havesomething down In history.
I was there when he did it.
I did it before, but we had todo it virtually.
(16:36):
Yeah, during the COVID thing.
Covid was a fun time.
It was an interesting time,interesting time.
A lot of people make money nowand it's like, yeah, they make
money now, what that?
You made it, you made it, butit Maybe, like you know, spray
your bags and stuff like that.
Just thinking about the stuffthat we had to go through at
(16:56):
those times and I couldn't workfor six months, oh, yeah, that's
right, and you definitely workon the by the job.
Yeah, you had to do someUnderground Railroad type stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we figuredsome things out.
But in the beginning you meet mein the crawl space In the
beginning, when you didn't knowwhat was going on.
Yeah, oh, that's true, andother people didn't care.
I lost a couple of clients atthat time because they was like
(17:20):
you know what's funny, becausethey was like what, go ahead,
finish it.
But they was just saying likeyou can't cut me, like no, fam,
I don't know what's going on.
Now, looking back on it now youmight want to say no, what shit
happening?
No, bump that.
But I'm saying I didn't knowwhat was going on Because I
could just come to your crib, myhouse, with a car.
You can't come to my house,you're bringing death to the
(17:42):
doorstep.
You can't come to my crib, dude.
You got to tell us about that,though, real quick, about how,
when you say you sick orsomething like and I done talked
to you on the phone a couple oftimes hey man, I know you might
be sick though, but can youstill cut my hair how that make
you feel when somebody do.
I mean, hey man, I know youmight be on your deathbed, but
can you still get fit in?
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It's funny, because I said thatto my wife the other day Like
you could be going through themost traumatic thing in your
life.
Somebody will call you hey man,I ain't going to be able to cut
this week.
Death in the family yeah, I'm insurgery.
Yeah, so you're not going to bein.
None, you're not going to behere at all today, so you're not
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here today.
What about tomorrow, fam, Iwon't be in this week.
If I pay you more, you thinkyou can cut.
That's what I'm saying.
No, I'm not going to be there,but no, I'm not going to be
there, but they don't.
Which, hey, I'm glad I gotclients.
That's like yeah, but I don'twant nobody else cutting my hair
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but theydon't give a damn about what you
(18:44):
got going on.
That's almost like when my wifesay I got you tonight, and then
you, like you know the wholeday I'm thinking about tonight,
right, I'm going to all of asudden say, hey, I'm not the no,
no, no, you said so, we ain'tgoing to do nothing today.
Let me ask you this real quickwhy is men right?
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Don't ask for much, not at allAt all.
Don't get in trouble, though.
Don't get in trouble, though.
Both wives are around and werecord.
So go ahead, finish yourthought.
This might be good For content,the one thing, that's it,
that's one.
But when you Cause, you gottaask for it.
(19:28):
You got to.
So when you ask for it, do youhave to?
Okay, but when you ask for itOn day one, right, you get a no,
right, yeah.
You ask for it on day one,right, you get, you get a no,
right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what, on day two, it'slike.
Is that how you think about it?
Yes, I mean, I've been doingthis for a long time, I've been
doing this for a very long time,but that's all I think about.
I've noticed that that's.
(19:49):
I want to roll over it, butyeah, but if you, if you, if you
get the apple, you might nothave a taste for that apple.
The next you might not, youmight not, but if you get it,
not too bad, not too bad, can Ihave another one of these?
Can I have another one of these?
(20:10):
Yeah, all right, squash it Allright, let's go.
We're going to move on fromthat before anybody gets in
trouble.
This right here.
I got to ask you before we dipYo, what's up?
This is fun.
I love my brother doing this.
Yeah, this is nice, but you gotto talk.
I want to know what yourthoughts on Cassie and P Diddy
case.
Very quick, I'm putting on theline right now.
We so look, this is my thing onCassie's stuff.
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I don't know right, there's alot with the trial.
Some things have came out thatCassie agreed to, but like,
because there's a thing aboutI'm going to just start with the
drug use, right, and it waslike Diddy got her, got her own
drugs and then, but people likenow they're like, yeah, but he
tried to get her off of drugs,but if you introduce it to her
(21:02):
in the wrong way, did heintroduce it to her?
That was the word, because they, bobby, get introduced to
introduce whitney the drugs, ordid whitney introduce bobby,
whitney introduced bobby.
But we found out about that winLater on, after when she After
yeah, all that, yeah, mm-hmm,but but Okay, okay, just because
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let's say she enjoys the freegolf.
Right, she said it, she said sheenjoys it.
So let's not say it Notallegedly.
She enjoyed the free golf.
Yes, right, just because sheenjoyed this free golf don't
mean she want to be in part ofall the free golfs, but the data
shows.
She said I can't wait to thenext one.
(21:45):
She might not be able to waitto the next one.
No, she said I can't wait untilthe next, like meaning I want
to do it again.
Yeah, the next one, yeah, yeah,yeah.
Like meaning I want to do itagain.
Yeah, the next one, yeah, yeah,yeah.
And then she said also that,hey, I want to do this to make
sure that he didn't do it withnobody else, right, it's a whole
lot of damning material comingout.
(22:05):
At first it come out to say hemade me do it on my time of the
month, and then you got oh, wait, wait, wait, can I show you
this?
It says that are you at thattime of the month.
You say yes.
He says okay, we do it anothertime.
You say no, I'm good.
Well, now you caught up insomething.
(22:27):
But you got two things to worryabout.
You want to do it or you don't.
You don't want to do it.
If you don't want to do it, ifyou don't want to do it, you
ain't got nothing to worry about.
But if you want to do it, yougot two more things to worry
about.
You got two more things toworry about.
But I understand that.
I understand.
But you also.
You get to a point where if shewas forced into it, right,
(22:50):
maybe she don't want nobody elseto happen to her, but now she
done got hooked on the life thatyou forced her into in the
beginning.
Now she's just used to it.
She's forced, got it, just usedto it.
Now she's forced into it.
What they call it Stockholm.
Yeah, oh God.
I just wanted to say Don't hitme with the Stockholm syndrome.
I just wanted to say Don't hitme with the Stockholm.
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The whole point is Diddy's ontrial for RICO charges, criminal
enterprise ideas, all thatstuff, but right now it's
looking like someone else was inpart running it.
Yeah, what if it backfired.
Well see, I don't get the RICObecause there's only one person
on trial, that's right.
There's one person on trialracketeering all the other stuff
(23:31):
, yeah, and there's nothingshowing about no traffic and it
just shows a domestic type issue.
So we and all the other stuff,yeah, and there's nothing
showing about no traffic and itjust shows a domestic type issue
.
So we're not on traffic.
Even with all that going, I dothink they only gonna get him on
like some prostitution shit,like who, who, him or her, I
mean.
What I'm saying is in the senseof him flying people in, but he
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didn't pay for it.
From what I've seen, it showedthat she was the one choosing
the guys and paying for them andthe dudes on the trial the guys
that had come show up allegedlynot allegedly.
They said that hey, she the onepaid me.
I didn't get paid by him.
But this is also not a trialfor Cassie and Dizzo.
It's not Just like it wasn't atrial for Megan and Tory Lanez,
(24:16):
but what I'm saying is theybrought so that Tory Lanez thing
was about him having a gunCorrect In California.
Their main witness was Meganbecause he supposedly shot her
with the gun Right.
He lost.
I was surprised he lost.
I'm not surprised he lost, ohyeah.
Only because if there'sevidence showing that somebody
else did it, you're on trial.
(24:38):
But you also say, nah, thatperson didn't do it.
Oh, you see, you shouldn't havesaid that.
He said that, yeah, hetestified to himself and said
that he didn't testify, but thelawyers was like him talking and
doing what he doing, because hestill was dropping music, he
was still rambling.
Oh yeah, and that's right, hewas doing too much.
If there's evidence showingthat Kelsey did shoot the gun,
(25:00):
whether you aimed it at her ornot, oh, the other girl, the
other girl.
So if there's evidence showingthat she did it.
But then you say I didn't do it, but she also didn't do it,
it's only two people.
And the bodyguard, the driver,didn't show up.
Yeah, yeah, he was a bigwitness too.
He dipped down, he was a big.
Well, I think Torrey's lawyersTrash, terrible Trash, because
(25:24):
they were saying, not Torrey'slawyers, but the other people
was like we have other witnesses, but we have to prep them.
And Torrey's lawyers was likenah, this is going to stretch
the trial out a little too long.
So, nah, nah, this is going tostretch the trial out a little
too long.
So nah, we good, let's wrap itup.
So do you think PD is going toget off on?
I think he's going to servesome time.
He already served it.
(25:45):
You think he's going to gettime served.
He's not going to be in therefor long, though.
Is it going to be an 8 weektrial, and they got something on
them?
They would have showed it now.
The first week should have beenthe straight bomb.
That's why I think they don'thave nothing Right, because I
think Cassie is they big,because there's video of Cassie
(26:05):
getting beat, that one video,that one video, but it's still
there.
It still exists.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI'm saying.
I think they banking on showingthat to the court and saying,
see, this is what he do, but Ithink that should have been
later on, like after y'all, kindof.
But they set in the stage, foryou know, I'm saying like it's
(26:28):
nigga crazy.
Yeah, I think they could say hecrazy, he's freaking nasty and
all that stuff, but that's notwhat he's gonna try for.
He's gonna try for that.
So, just like when cassie said,if you don't get rid of this
video, she said she actuallythreatened someone to say I will
have you killed.
Yeah, so that's what I wastalking to my wife about.
It's funny that how people, ifit is beneficial to you, it's
(26:51):
all good, like abortion is allgood.
No, it's not good Not saying it, but abortion, I'm coming.
Okay now, abortion is not goodif it ain't got nothing to do
for you.
If it all of a sudden, it'sokay if you have to do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like.
When it comes down to it, I canthreaten somebody and do all
this other stuff, okay, but nowI just want to.
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I mean, it's not beneficial tome, no more.
So I feel bad.
Somebody made me do it.
That is it.
Yeah, you used the benefit andpower before, but now it's not
beneficial.
So I'm going to back out and Ididn't want to do it.
And he made me do it, I think.
But he did.
He groomed her in the beginning.
Oh God, he groomed her in thebeginning.
(27:35):
So everybody get groomed whenyou're a certain age, but when
they doing this, all good, untilyou not want to do it.
Now you groom me.
Yeah, it's almost like ShannonSharpe.
Shannon Sharpe was so green,shannon Sharpe was so that's a
simp.
That's just stupid.
Hey, that was.
I mean, shannon Sharpe's a cooldude and all that sound like
she was recording.
(27:55):
You Don't do this, shannon.
I would have been like why youchange your voice like that?
Why you talking like that?
She's like so what are we doing?
Again?
You said you were going tochoke.
You said, fam, it sounds awful,I'm going to call you back.
Click, something ain't right.
Why you talking like that?
She ain't never sounded likethat.
You going to choke me, right?
Yeah, at 430?
(28:19):
, yeah, yeah.
And he, like, I'm going tochoke you in public one more
time.
Say it again.
Who said, who said what if Ichoke you in public?
How that look, big black manchoking.
Don't choke me, shannon, but ifyou move that way, I mean, hey,
he got caught up in that Green,though Super green Young one.
He's a greenback.
He's a greenback.
Well, anything you want to askbefore we go, man, anything you
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had a thought about as a host ohman, I was unprepared, almost.
We're never unprepared, we'realways ready to go Unprepared.
No, not really.
Have you been paying attentionto any of the battle raps going
on right now?
So the last Big Shine now.
And all that, yeah, going onright now.
So the last that with Big Seanand them and all that?
Yeah, so can you.
So Reggie is my person, I speakand call, ask questions about
(29:02):
music stuff.
I would like to know.
So the guy from, is it Devon,devon or whatever?
The guy from TV, rayvon Rayvon,rayvon, he's the one now.
His verse was dope.
Yeah, he was fire.
Then Joey I think anotherpodcast said it best when it
come down to regions, yeah, whenJoey Badass was rapping, it
didn't seem, I guess, his regionor where he's from.
(29:25):
Yeah, where he's from.
He sounded like he was cookingthem.
Yeah, but I'm not from the WestCoast and that dude was bomb.
I mean, that was killing it.
I was like that's dope.
So what they beefing?
Is it because Joey Badass wentafter the West Coast people?
So pretty much Okay.
So at the beginning of the year,joey Badass dropped a song
called A Ruler's Back.
Okay, so it actually starts inJanuary.
(29:47):
Okay, he calls out Kendrickbecause he really wants to
battle Kendrick.
Right, which Kendrick?
He better be careful.
We see what happened whensomebody calling Kendrick out,
he ain't saying nothing and heain't saying nothing.
But again, just like they didwith Drake, everybody was like
Kendrick's picking a good timeto go at Drake because Drake was
on tour but Drake tour wasending.
(30:09):
Joey calling out Kendrick inthe middle of the tour.
His tour don't end untillikeember or august or something
like that.
So right now calling them outand he don't respond quickly,
because nowadays you gottarespond quick.
If he don't respond back tojoey, the online minions will be
(30:29):
like joey's joey one.
You keep calling him out.
Right, but joey made the rulersback.
He called out the west coast.
He, he aimed at kendrick, jaycole.
Jay cole is not responding.
He, jay cole, just smart.
Now he like I'm not sayingnothing and he better not say
nothing.
I think he should.
He better not.
(30:51):
No, look, so he's in alose-lose situation.
Regardless, regardless.
He should have stayed becauseif he, if he, if he responds to
joey, it's gonna be like oh, butwhat about cook?
You don't do it in your mouth,right?
If he, if somebody calls youout and you still you don't
respond, you still look crazybecause it's like so you just
(31:11):
gonna let this nigga just stompall over you.
You know what I'm saying.
But Joey just set the tone forbattle, rap, for the competition
.
Daylight responded, then RayVaughn came out and then they
did the cypher, which is the RedBull cypher.
Oh, the Red Bull cypher is last.
Yeah, right, those two versesand things like that was before
(31:33):
the Red Bull thing.
Nah, the cypher came.
And then Ray Vaughn respondedagain Okay.
And then Joey responded Okay,now you got Reason jumping in,
which Reason did a great job,but no one cares about you.
It's almost like Big Sean onForge.
Big Sean, he get left behindregardless.
Every time Big Sean can rap tome, he can rap his ass off.
(31:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the only thing about BigSean can rap to me, he can rap
his ass off.
But the only thing about BigSean.
And it started with the ControlVerse because it was Big Sean's
song.
And then Kendrick just calledout everybody in 2013 or 2012.
Which he wasn't talking like.
Big Chris said he didn't evendiss him on it.
He didn't diss nobody.
He was just like this iscompetition.
And he even said I got love fory'all, but I'm trying to murder
y'all which is love for y'all,but I'm trying to murder y'all
(32:15):
which is in.
I've done songs with otherpeople, just like that, where,
hey, let's go at each other onthis song, not in a like I hate
you type of way, like decipherdid decipher, they went each
other a little bit right there,everything's cool and that's why
this, this rap competitionright now, I actually like,
because I don't feel like it'sgonna get to a pedophile or a
woman beater and stuff like that.
(32:36):
You know what I'm saying, which, if it's just strictly rap, I
think it's good.
The only reason I think it'sgoing to fall apart because it's
going to end up being a bunchof people that nobody cares
about rapping to each other.
Nobody cares.
I'm not going to lose any.
When Drake was doing all that, Iwas up all night calling Reggie
, did you?
And then we on the phone andReggie say, dude, he just
(32:59):
dropped.
You know what I'm saying?
That was the two, that was thetwo titans going at each other.
Right, right, right now.
This, like when it was Kendrickand Drake, they gain new fans
from it.
The casual listener is not theynot caring about this right now
(33:20):
.
The hip hop in me, I'm on it,yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm listening
to it.
I want to know everything.
Right, right, right.
But if you not, most peopledon't even know who Reason is.
No, a lot of people don't knowJoey Badass.
No, and that's'd been on.
Yeah, I didn't know he actuallywas a person Like I'm not a
person, but like a person that'slike need to be known about.
(33:42):
Yeah, yeah, no, he gave hisalbum 1999, back in 2000 and
whatever.
Which great album.
But then he went to acting.
He did, yeah, he acts on power,he's on power, okay, but he's a
bigger actor than he is.
A rapper I probably done seenhim and don't even know who he
(34:03):
is.
Yeah, you don't know who he is.
What's his real name?
Travis Joner or something?
Joner or something?
Oh shit, I don't even know hisreal name.
I bet if I knew his regularname, it's like people probably
don't know.
I remember when I went to themovies one time and Tyrese was
singing.
I watched a Floyd Mayweatherfight in the movies back in 2007
.
When Floyd came out ofretirement Falk Marquez,
(34:25):
whatever they had it in thetheaters and Tyrese was singing
the national anthem.
We know Tyrese from R&B.
And one of the little whitekids said when did Tyrese start
singing?
I'm like God, this dude been inthe movies so long.
Nobody remember that he was anactual.
Nobody knew Ice Cube.
People said that about WillSmith when he just came out.
Yeah, yeah.
It was like you get commentslike people like oh, it's good
(34:46):
to see him trying something else, he should stick to movies.
This dude was a rapper at first.
He's the first rapper Grammywinner.
You know what I'm saying, soit's just.
But yeah, the whole battlething is going to eventually
fall apart because, again, drakeand Kendrick, they set the tone
.
So when they was going back andforth every day, or in them
(35:08):
three hours of whatever they wasdoing, it was exciting.
Now you got Joey Badass from thenorth to the, from the east.
You, you got Joey Badass fromthe north, from the east, you
got five different rappers fromthe west coast.
Nobody's going to show up tothe fight.
No, no one cares.
It's like what they do when, uh, what's that dude, bobby Smurda
, selling tickets, and he'sselling five or six tickets.
(35:28):
That's sad, though, and you gotmillions that fall.
Only five people buying aticket.
Yeah, yeah, no, that'sinteresting.
It looks a way, it looks acertain way.
It looks a certain way, but noone.
Yeah, this is going to fallapart eventually.
Everybody's waiting for Daylightto drop.
Though A turd he be doingantics.
It be so crazy.
He do extra stuff.
(35:49):
He used to do it a lot more.
He done settle down Because heprobably 50.
How old is this dude?
But he but as probably about 40, 50.
But as a battle rapper and Ilove battle rap it's going to be
interesting Because he made asong a couple weeks ago where he
was already predicting JoeyBadass lyrics.
Joey Badass and the Cypher wasdoing all these daylight flips
(36:09):
and they was cool.
But if you go back to the songDaylight dropped a couple weeks
ago called Backpack, he wassaying you're going to say this,
you're going to do this, you'regoing to do this.
You're going to sayda-da-da-da-da daylight.
I'm a battle rapper.
They already been used.
You know what I'm saying.
So to the fans that's just nowhearing the flips, they like, oh
my God, he's going crazy To me.
(36:33):
We know he done, said he wasgay, he not gay, whatever that
type, all that stuff, do allthis.
It's like, yeah, tim, I don'tknow, it's already out there.
It's going to be interesting tosee what he say, but I don't
think if they start dropping toomany tracks, it's going to be
like all right, cuz, just wrapit up, call it a day, which we
about to do.
We're going to wrap it up rightquick.
(36:53):
But I asked you this last bitGo ahead.
Is Kanye done?
Yeah, he done, yeah.
Like like nobody takes himserious, no more at all.
No, they just like ah.
He put out an album drop and heonly sold 6,000 copies first
week, and I usually don't evencare about.
Is it because it wasn't underhis name?
Part of it?
(37:15):
I still think if it would havebeen under Kanye, it would have
done better than 6,000, but Idon't think it would have made a
dent in anything because it'sstill out and nobody's going to
it, even after they found outthat it's under Donda, which is
interesting.
Well, man, hey.
Shout out to Mamalu.
This is Mamalu Boyz, right here, yeah, we are.
Shout out to Knoxville, man,great place to grow up, I'm out
(37:39):
of there, but a great place togrow up.
Shout out to my brother Reggieyes, sir, straight up and him
and his podcast and also theother podcast with Late.
To the Party with Doty, right,yeah, I'm Doty, I'm Doty.
Shout out to my dude, doty man.
Shout out to Doty.
And then also Follow me atTroyMSmith35 On all social media
YouTube, mostmoto365,m-o-s-t-m-o-t-o-365.
(38:04):
And I'm grateful and I'm proudof my brother, though.
I appreciate you Much, love,man.
I like this little 30 minuteconversation yeah, 38 minutes
and 11 seconds, yeah, we good.
Yeah, yeah, well, hey, I guesswe end it.
Ta-da.
Thank you for listening toChatterbox and I'll catch y'all
on the next episode, peace.
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