August 12, 2024 • 56 mins
What happens when a former professional cyclist transforms into a spiritual guide and breathwork expert? Meet Pavel from NOA|AON, whose incredible journey from franchising over a hundred fitness studios to DJing at major events has led him to profound spiritual insights. This episode delves into Pavel's experience with breathwork, recounting a life-changing Wim Hof retreat that reshaped his daily practices and teaching methods. Learn how breathwork has become an essential tool for Pavel, enhancing his physical health, mental clarity, and emotional well-being.
Pavel takes us through his path to spiritual transformation, exploring an eight-point lifestyle that minimizes dependencies and maximizes purposeful living. From battling depression and burnout to embracing mindfulness and spirituality, his story is a testament to the power of holistic practices. Through tales of his global encounters with shamans, gurus, and Zen masters, Pavel introduces a framework for personal growth—wake up, clean up, power up, and rest up—that offers practical steps for anyone looking to simplify their life and achieve true freedom.
This episode is packed with insights into mastering the power of breathwork. Discover how different techniques like the 4-7-8 method and Wim Hof’s deep breathing can be used to achieve various states of mind and tackle specific issues. Pavel emphasizes the importance of proper integration and closure in personal development events, detailing the physiological benefits of breathwork practices. Whether you're a seasoned practitioner or a curious newcomer, Pavel's personalized approaches and on-demand courses provide the tools to explore and find what works best for your own personal growth journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello and welcome back to Laughing Through the
Pain.
Navigating Wellness with me,richard L Blake and, for some
reason, andy E Sam, who's makinga funny face at me.
Why are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I don't know.
I think it's just the introsare getting more and more like
comical, Like hello and welcome.
It's just a bit.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
it's very newscaster-y, it's good that way
Laughing Through the Pain,Laughing Through the Intro.
Navigating Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, who have we got today then, rich?
Sorry for interrupting.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
No, you should be.
I hate being interrupted.
It's very rude.
No, it's fine, I do it all thetime.
We've got Pavel.
Pavel is from Noah Aon, so hehas he's got a pretty impressive
background.
He no, you're shaking his head.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
It feels like the sort of thingthat would fill like four or
five lifetimes and the guy's 33.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, so he was a former professional cyclist.
We didn't go into that too much, but that's the first I've
heard of that.
Then he became a serialentrepreneur, franchisor,
franchising, I think, a hundredorange theories, and then he
sort of fell back intospirituality and breathwork and
(01:15):
shamanism.
So we hear about what he'sdoing with breathwork.
He's doing some very innovativethings.
He's also a DJ.
He DJ'd'd the biohackingconference, which where they had
a big, big party with, you know, thousands of people and he was
, he was in charge of that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So he's a pretty big time dj festival and club scene
as well, he mentioned yes, hedid and yeah he's, uh, he's done
some pretty intense stuff aswell.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You know, I I like to think of myself as a bit of a
like an intense spiritual seeker, but man amateur compared to me
he does a 10 day 10 daydarkness retreat every year
darkness is okay, so darkness isone thing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No food is the thing that really scared me yeah
exactly, and yeah comes back.
He does it five times now, so50 days in total unbelievable.
And all that with um.
He was very honest about somepretty major setbacks in his
life as well, so a realgo-getter, putting a lot of good
out in the world.
It was a pleasure, wasn't itabsolutely all right.
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
Pavel, we're going to start you off with a nice
hard-hitting question.
Could you explain whatbreathwork means to you and its
benefits?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yes, I like this.
Breath is life, and I alwayssay this.
Breath is what you're born withand breath is what you die with
.
But what you do between thefirst breath and last breath is
what determines the quality, theawareness of your life.
And so the minute that I tookcharge of my breath aka going
(03:10):
from the unconscious mind intothe conscious mind, which I
think the breath is the leadgateway to this I realized the
immense power that I have andI'm not talking about egoic
power, but just self-confidence,knowing, understanding and
hearing all of these insightsthat our whole life we've been
maybe not listening to or payingattention to.
(03:32):
And so if there is one thingthat I truly believe that we can
learn from, it is our breath.
And, of course, we can talkabout different varieties, or
there's so many different waysto breathe and all of the
different focuses.
It will benefit you from yourphysical health, alkalinity,
energy, all the way to yourmental, emotional well-being.
(03:53):
Where I think that's where itreally gets interesting is using
breathwork for past traumas andfacing our things that we've
been holding on to for way toolong, which again is locking us
from full potential.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So how did you come to breathwork?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So there was this time, when I was born, I took a
first inhale.
I always think it's hilarious,right, because like breath is
always there, but like now it'slike an industry right Of
breathers that is becoming bad.
No, so for me it was abouteight years ago.
I went into, I booked myself togo to the Wim Hof Polish
(04:37):
excursion and a little bit of abackup.
So I spent last 15 yearstraveling the world and
searching for tools that canhelp us heal, whatever it's
physical, mental, emotional.
I looked at all of the differentcomplexes and committed myself
that I will basically go intothese retreats or workshops or
teachings to find peace, andessentially this was one of them
(05:02):
.
I actually walked into thissick.
I was mildly sick, with alittle bit of a pain around my
kidneys, I think I had a strep.
It was really odd, right Likeyou go into an ice for a week
with Wim Hof and you're feelingthis way, and I walked out of
there healthy and it was so farout of any sorts of belief
(05:24):
system which I'm not saying todo this, by the way, like on a
regular basis.
This was just my experience, towow myself that you can take
charge of your own immune systemand on your own focus.
And it wasn't until these deep,hour-long breathing session
that we did, towards the end,that I was just having these
huge transcendental experiencessimilar to psychedelics, and I
(05:47):
was so fascinated by it becauseI have tried psychedelics, I've
used different plant medicinesand I spent time with the tribes
in my journey, but nothing evercould be something I could keep
on an everyday basis, and sothis huge empowerment of
something that you don't have toseek something outside of you,
(06:08):
but it's all there within youand you just can affect it with
the power of your mind, withyour will, was fascinating.
And right after that I signed upfor the teacher training.
This is before Wim Hof was whatit is today.
It was a very disorganizedstill and it was very different
to which, and essentially Ispent the next year of teaching
(06:29):
and really teaching and showingothers because I want everybody
to feel what I felt, because itwas just so incredible to begin
with.
And then I used to own a OrangeTheory fitness franchises, but
right next to them I created ayoga fitness meditation center
in Atlanta, georgia, and that'swhere I started my breathwork.
(06:51):
So I started doing breathworkclasses for a membership already
about seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's awesome.
Yes, breathwork yeah, it'samazing what it can do.
And you made the joke about Imade my my first breath.
I took my first breath.
But that is a lot of people'ssort of joke is oh, you're a
breath worker, I've beenbreathing for 35 years.
What can you teach me about it?
But there's a lot to learn.
For sure you also have aprotocol called the system reset
(07:19):
.
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, so after about 15 years of traveling, I went
into darkroom and so I spent 10days in darkness about.
I think it was either rightbefore or right after the Wim
Hof excursion.
It was funny, it was like allhappening in that year and I was
a busy entrepreneur and Iwanted peace.
So I, like, signed up for this10 days of darkness with no food
(07:43):
, with Jas Mohin, who later onbecame my mentor, and basically
it's this initiation into pranicliving, into this whole other
like alternative ways to life.
Now it took me about seven daysto finally surrender, and it
was after Wim Hof because I wasdoing breathwork.
In there.
There was some of the deepeststates I was able to access,
(08:05):
like this DMT type releases,because of the darkness right,
there was no food and no light,so you could really see the
difference.
And so this one session, sevendays in, I finally just
surrendered and I start cryingand purging and I went into this
beautiful state of bliss andfor the first time in my life I
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wasn't worrying about what otherpeople thought and who.
I came into a place of who I amnot for what I'm not, and in
that moment it was so clear.
This is where basically theSystem Reset came about, and
also NOAA Aon, which is thebrand that we do it under, and
basically NOAA symbolizesmovement, noah Aon, which is the
brand that we do it under, andbasically Noah symbolizes
movement.
Aon is all or none.
(08:49):
And it symbolizes duality, thisnever-ending ping pong, highs
and lows and good days and baddays, that I knew there is
another way to it, and that iscoming back into the center,
coming back into that harmony,health and happiness.
And so, when I walked out ofthere, the message was so clear
Get rid of all of your businesscareer.
Like you gotta live in service.
(09:10):
You gotta rediscover yourpassion, which is music for me.
You gotta live your purpose,which became teachings, lectures
and workshops.
And it was done through thesystem reset toolbox.
So think about a system reset asa computer for a moment.
So, just like a computer, whenyou hold the button for two or
(09:30):
more seconds, it resets back tobaseline.
And through coding, we're doingexactly the same in our events.
And so think about your mind asthe software, the body as the
hardware.
And when a computer needs todownload new software, we
connect is the hardware, andwhen a computer needs to
download new software, weconnect to the internet.
Now, what we do in the sessionsand events, through breath,
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dance, meditation and sound,we're connecting to the inner
net, which is always there.
But we got to change thebrainwaves.
We got to change the way we'reoperating and the way we spend
our time.
And we've got to change the waywe're operating and the way we
spend our time.
And so what I've learnedthrough this is we're overly
thinking.
Beta dominant species right now, right, whatever, it's just the
(10:13):
life overdoers.
But what happens when you takea pause?
What happens when you shiftthose brainwaves into more of
the alpha theta and you startaccessing the subconscious mind,
you start having these releases, you start having these
insights that you maybe haven'theard for a long time.
And, through System Reset, weopen up this portal through
these tools.
(10:33):
Basically, after 15 years oftraveling, I put the ones that
worked, that had a scientificvalidation under them and that
we could make, into a funexperience.
That's all under the same motto.
And then, through recoding, weare literally changing the way
our belief systems and ourbodies and relationships through
these sessions that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I love the analogy.
I feel like, yeah, the computeranalogy is what.
What makes most sense to mewhen I think about are we living
in a computer simulation and,you know, downloading
information and things like that?
But so what was it like doing10 days of darkness?
Because I've done 10 day forpassing, I've done a month of
ayahuasca, but I don't think Icould do 10 days of 10 days in
(11:12):
the darkness and no food yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
so it was one of those things that that, along my
journey that was, was reallyintriguing to me, and I
discovered this early on at adrum ball of Melchizedek's
workshop, and it was calledOpening Illuminated Heart and he
.
What caught my attention themost was that there's this set
of people in the world that aresolely nourished by prana they
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don't eat any physical food andI was so fascinated by it, but
also just so far beyond any ofmy belief, you know, that this
could be possible, and so myopen heart and open mindset was
like you've got to go.
You've got to go test this outand see what happens.
And so then I go for the firsttime, and this is with Jasmoheen
(11:59):
, who is an incredible person.
She hasn't eaten any physicalfood for the past 25 years and
she's been one of those bringersto this possibility, stating
that there is about 200,000people in the world that are
solely nourished by prana, orsource or love, whatever we call
this.
And so I was like I'm goingthere see what happens, and it
(12:23):
took me two weeks after the daysto reintroduce food, and to me
that was so fascinated that Iliterally was not hungry.
Like it was the weirdestfeeling, and you would think
that you would lose weight.
And yes, some people loseweight, but that's when you're
still fasting, right.
(12:43):
But when you turn the fastedfuel to no longer be dependent
on the physical food and youturn it into the energetic food,
you essentially stop losingweight.
I have a proof of this as well.
I literally took a picturesbefore darkroom and after
darkroom and I show this topeople.
(13:04):
I'm like what do you think isthe one before, after?
Every single person thinks thatthe one after is it's flipped
upside down and I've actuallygained weight being inside of
darkness without any food.
So for me it was so fascinatingand basically she teaches you a
direct lifestyle.
It's an eight-point lifestylethat you abide and that you live
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within, and the goal is not tonot eat, that you eat for
pleasure.
If you do want to eat, youdon't eat for the need and you
lose the desires of the physical, mental, emotional hungers that
are attached to the way wespend time here on earth and
when we are spending our time onmoney, sex, power, to keep it
simple, right, all of the thingsof the flashy instant
(13:47):
gratification.
Yes, we're going to be hungry.
Yes, we're going to seekpleasure.
We're going to seek all ofthese instant things.
But if we shift the focus moreinto the stillness and silence
and you live in purpose, youspend time to meditate, you
switch that busy lifestylearound and ask yourself what is
true harmony, what is true peace?
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But simple things like this,it's nothing.
No high level spiritualconcepts.
But how do we just change theway we live?
Then we will naturally startlosing hunger in all of these
levels.
We will naturally move into thestate of surrender and place of
openness and love and insteadof fear, of surrender, and place
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of openness and love instead offear.
And so I know it's really farout there and it was for me as
well.
But having this experience, Iwas really blown away by the
potential and I haven't beenable to convert fully in my
lifestyle.
I have a balance right nowwhere I eat once or twice a day.
It's mostly liquid.
Even that alone.
That knowing that I don't haveto depend on it and I can go
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into a deep state of meditationand rather fuel myself with
positive thoughts and emotionsand feelings is really
incredible freedom by itself.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It sounds incredible.
Yes, as you say, incrediblefreedom.
I'm speechless yeah.
Yeah, I think I have too muchof a dependence on ice cream to
do anything like that you 100%do.
Maybe I could free myself frommy ice cream dependency with a
10-day darkness retreat.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Pavel, going back, it seems to me like 15 years
traveling the world.
Could you give us a bit ofinsight into what was fueling
that?
What were you looking for?
Or did you not even know?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It was pain.
So I used to be a professionalathlete, I used to be a road
cyclist and I traveled the worldwith it, and I also was an
entrepreneur from a really youngage where I had to figure out a
way how to make means to fuelthe cycling.
And essentially I was about 19years old and I fall into a
(15:51):
massive depression.
I had a chronic fatigue,epstein-barr.
I was literally sick every twoweeks and I could not continue
with my cycling career, and soin that moment it was really
like a just hardcore thing tohave all these dreams to be at
Tour de France and Olympics andbeing also at the forefront of
it, like really far enough to beable to do that one day, but
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then it gets all crushed.
So that was like a big pivotalmoment.
My second pivotal moment waswhen I moved to America and I
started putting all of myendurance into business.
I built this fitness empirewith almost 100 locations under
my belt, but I burned out againand I was depressed again and I
got divorced.
And so you know, even though Ichecklist all of these things
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that were taught that arehappiness and that will bring us
happiness, I kept on havingthis deep voice inside of me
that says there is more to life.
Follow this.
To give you a little bit of acontext I grew up with shaman
out of all things in CzechRepublic, and so my mother was
the first inclination tospirituality and yoga and bedas
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and a lot of the traditionalstuff.
But I always thought it wasweird, I like put it on the back
burner and I like didn't wantanybody to know this.
But while I was even cycling, Ikept on reading books and I
kept on being intrigued by thistopic of mindfulness and
meditation and I joined a fewdifferent groups.
I went with the gurus.
I spent a month in India, whereI traveled through different
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ashrams and really like livingthat whole lifestyle.
I've done Zen master trainingwith the Japanese samurais in
Japan, in Kyoto.
I spent a month with thepsychics in Brazil, literally in
this psychic village in themiddle of nowhere.
So it led me on a reallyinteresting pathways.
But what I've learned from allof these travels is that life is
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so much more simple than wemake it and we life continues to
give us feedback on everysingle level.
I basically brought theselevels into three different ways
of how we operate and I call ita me we be and what I mean by
this is me is the individualconsciousness.
This, this is your physicalhealth, mental health, your
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emotional health, your spiritualconnection.
Then you've got the we, whichis the relationships that we
have.
This is also the environmentthat we live in the air, water,
anything on the outsideimpacting inside, and also the
social structures.
What is the belief system ofthe countries that we're part of
, and so on.
And then the B is the beliefsystem of the countries that
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we're part of, and so on.
And then the B is thesupraconsciousness.
This is, if you keep on zoomingout on our existence, right, it
can go infinitely deep and wedon't even, we can't even
comprehend that.
But essentially, if yousimplify it, we operate in these
three different levels.
It gives us micro cycles andmacro cycles that will keep on
coming back to us and giving usthe feedback based on what we
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need to receive.
And so my whole life I spentrunning away from problem,
running away from pain, right,hiding the pain and not talk
about the pain.
But then, in a dark room, andthrough this, I started
realizing that it's actuallywhere I need to look into right.
And so then I start lookinginto negative thoughts, negative
health, like an Epstein bar andfiguring out how to fix it.
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I came up with this simpleframework that anybody can look
where they are, and essentiallyit's four steps.
It's super easy.
It's a wake up, clean up, powerup and rest up Essentially what
it does.
You first wake up.
You look at all of the mostprominent things in your life,
whatever its relationships,whatever it's something simple
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as your blood work right.
Maybe you are low on vitamin D,high on environmental toxins.
It gives you a data set so youcan bring the power back to you.
The second part is clean up.
This is when you detox thetoxins, when you get rid of the
negative relationships.
If you keep on thinking thatyou're not good enough or that
you can't, you get rid of thatthought.
So that way you can power upinto the third phase and this is
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when you bring vitamin Dsupplement.
This is when you bring newideas, new thoughts.
You go into the offense so youcan rest up, which is the fourth
phase and that's thereassessment, understanding
where you are taking time foryourself and unhooking from all
of this busy world.
And so, through these steps, Ibasically start understanding
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that everything is anopportunity to grow, everything
is an opportunity to learn,everything is an opportunity to
give the power out or keep thepower in, and so this is just a
simple way of how we we teachthis and how we do it in our
events, so people understandthat nothing is by coincidence
thank you so much being sohonest about all of that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's a hell of a journey you've been on
absolutely extraordinary yeah, Iknow it's really interesting
that the journey of the athleteand the entrepreneur you've done
too.
You know I know a lot ofprofessional athletes.
Yeah, they have successfulcareers.
Then they retire age 35.
And they slip into a deepdepression because nothing can
match that high of performing infront of the crowd.
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Or the entrepreneur thinks,I'll be happy once I make my
10th million dollar, and thenthey slip into depression.
Depression.
But you've had those both soearly and at the same time, had
that sort of spirituality tofall back on because it was
something you grew up with there.
And now you've dedicated yourlife to it.
And yeah, you, you're also asuperstar dj, aren't you?
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That's a big part of your thing.
So I don't don't think anyone'sreally doing breathwork and
music like you are.
So tell us how music comes intoyour work.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
In the process of unhooking, as I like to call it,
which happened for me in darkroom the first time.
For the first time I had a timeto think.
I had a time to think about thepast, about the future, about
the present and basically, justto give you a quick background
on this, how I occupied my mindin a dark room.
I spent the first half goingbackwards, so I would literally
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think about all of the differentsituations I could remember and
who did I hurt, what hurt me?
And just like, really marinateon it, because otherwise I would
go crazy with the monkey brain.
And then by the last few daysof the dark room I start
spending about what are mydreams, what do I really want
and like, where do I want to go?
And so this is when, for thefirst time, I had a chance to
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actually think what are my trueheart's desires?
Because a lot of times we justlive and do and never allow for
that opening, and then we'rewondering what is our purpose?
But then how do we find thepurpose if we don't allow the
time for the purpose to comeinto the space?
So in that moment Irediscovered my passion, which
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was always music, and so it wasreally clear I love DJ shows and
I love festivals and I'vealways loved that act of it.
I used to also grew up dancing,and so the message was like you
get out there and you're goingto learn how to produce music,
you're going to learn how to DJand then you're going to bring
this to the nightclubs at a time.
So that's where, from Darker,where it started and my purpose
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right became you got to givethis message out.
So retreats, workshops,immersive experiences, combining
the passion with the purpose,and what I also learned in there
was what is the legacy Like?
How do you make means to livein service, which was given by
the events we do, by oure-commerce and so forth.
So it literally it all camefrom darkroom originally.
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Now, because I like to doeverything different, I was like
how do we push the boundariesof traditional music?
And because I love meditation,but I also love having
meditation through dance,because, who's to say, we just
have to be so still and rigidand disciplined.
Right, it's not always aboutthis pitriphal way of learning.
A lot of times it's abouthaving fun and in the process of
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it, which we are a lot of timesforgetting.
And so I was like how do Icreate music with solfeggio
frequency on a modern beat?
And so that's, when you go toour like spotify or our dj sets,
it's a reharmonized tracks thatyou may recognize, that you may
know, but we use at differentfrequencies based on the
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solfeggio scale or to help withdifferent topics, right?
So if it's frequency of love,we use a lot with five to eight
hertz and essentially it's areally intentional music and
songs, but it still hits.
We still go hard.
The energy of our events isincredible.
We've got live instrumentalists, drummers, singers.
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It's a full-on show but it'ssober, it's conscious, it's a
way of opening and safety spacefor people to express without
being weird, without feelinglike they're weird, because when
I started this, I played atmajor music festivals and
festivals, from Ultra to Burningman and to like a nightclubs.
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But when I quit drinkingalcohol, I could not be in that
space anymore and I was likewhat am I doing here?
This is not why I started this,and so my poor little lost soul
basically was like I need outand I need to figure out a way
that I can keep on, channel thisfun in a different ways.
That's why now we curate ourown events.
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We do also festivals, we alsodo conferences and all of these
different things.
But generally we have our ownstage or we have our own
environment that we can containthis.
So it goes within theenvironment of what we want to
do.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
What are solfeggio frequencies?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
is somebody that has played with frequencies quite a
bit, so there's a whole scale.
There's anything from like 174,which is like a pain reducer
all the way up to 980 somethingI would have to have it in front
of me but the one that's mostutilized has been 432 hertz.
A lot of instruments are tunedto that and it's believed to be
like the closest thing to God orto oneness, to this universe.
And essentially from myresearch on this, when you use
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441 hertz, like the standardthat actually has been set up by
Rockefeller family in the 20s.
It was set up to be thestandard sound for radios, tvs,
music and so forth standardsound for radios, tvs, music and
so forth.
Now think about 440, 441 hertz Idon't use it enough anymore so
I don't even remember thefrequency.
It's if you are driving in acar and you're listening to a
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radio and you are in betweencities, so the radio starts
muffling before it hits the nextcity, and so the same thing is
441 hertz does to our brain, soit's a distorting sound
basically that we're putting in.
Now, anything that's even justa little bit different from 441,
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maybe, let's say 442, just aneven tiny bit different than
this standard, it becomes asound that's closer to God, to
universe, to the sound that weare meant to listen to and
progress with, and so I don'twant to be a conspiracy, but I
think it is made by design in alot of ways, like what we're
using, and, essentially, whenyou start playing with these
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frequencies and intention, Itruly believe that sound can
heal the world.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's the one thing that we all have in common and
it's the one thing that, evenfrom a biblical ways, right at
the beginning there was a wordand word whatever sound,
frequency, vibration, right,that dictates our existence yeah
, I think that's reallyinteresting and I think that
you're yeah, you're bringingsomething new in the sort of the
(27:24):
ecstasy that a lot of youngpeople are giving up Because
supposedly a lot of young peopleare not drinking.
I've just seen a statistic thatthe percentage of young people
who don't drink has gone up from14% to 21% in the last five
years in the UK.
So can you say more?
Because, yeah, breathwork.
I think when most people thinkabout breathwork, they think, oh
(27:46):
, it's just going to help merelax, that's it.
And now people are alsostarting to think more about,
like, conscious, connectedbreathing.
Oh, it's going to help me as areplacement for therapy.
But you're doing more than that.
What else are you doing withbreathwork?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.
So I always like to say we usebreath as the guidelines, like,
breath is just a tool, just likesome people use vitamins,
minerals, nootropics.
It's a tool that we get tocertain states, but the main why
is recoding our existence,because everything is.
Computers are an extension ofus right, and so if we think
about how computers work for amoment and we have a certain
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amount of apps, for example, onour phone, when you don't use an
app, you hold the app, you exitout of it, and so really I see
the breathwork as a way to getinto these alternative states,
to change your brainwaves, sothat way you can face whatever
those limitations are, and thenyou can recode the new
limitations.
Just like a computer, youdownload a new.
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Now, when you think about breathwork in general and I think
it's important for people todiscern, so I always like to put
it in two categories You've gotthe subtle breathing, which is
something you can do right nowwhen you're listening, talking,
driving and whatever it's.
The gold standard is about fiveand a half second in, five and
a half second out, in and outyour nose, and if you can be
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aware of this as frequently aspossible, we know it increases
your heart rate variability, itlowers down your stress.
We'll bring that conscious mindinto a forefront, and so to me
that's like the basic one-on-oneBe aware of a longer extended
breath in and out your nose alsoreally important for longevity
and as a filter to ourrespiratory system.
(29:25):
Now then you've got also thingslike 4-7-8, where you inhale
for 4, hold it for 7, exhale for8.
Another one, amazing foranxiety.
Now other one, for example, whenyou look at life situations is
when somebody crosses in frontof you in a car, right,
something as simple as this.
You have an option to react orto proact, as I like to call it.
(29:49):
Come back into neutrality andagain using every situation in
your life as a way to grow, toexpand you.
Essentially, when you go intothe treacherous situations, eyes
, bad, fear, anybody's trying tofight you, right, like anywhere
, you get exposed to fight orflight.
The way you calm yourself downis long, deep, prolonged exhale,
so out of your mouth and justblowing the air out, relaxing
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into your body.
So these are just like a verymainstream, three simple
breathing styles that you can doto just bring more awareness.
But now then you've got thedeep breathing styles, which is
when things can get interesting,which you don't want to do
standing up, driving, beingaround water because you can
potentially pass out.
There's a lightheadednessinvolved in this.
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This is when I like to play andintegrate a lot of them.
So one of my favorite things,what we've been doing, is we
call it the hybrid breath work.
We integrate different stylestogether with intention, with
sound, with vibration, so thatway we can maximize the results.
And the reason why I know thisis because we've been using this
EEG headband to be able tomeasure exactly what is
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happening in real life to yourbrain and what happens in a
different state that you'reaccessing.
So there is no guesswork.
We actually literally reverseengineered the breathing styles
to be able to tackle differentissues For this category right,
you've got the Wim Hof breath.
You've got holotropic breath.
There is this power breathingwhere you're squeezing.
(31:18):
There is connected breath, somabreath.
Right, there's many differentstyles.
Again, what I always like tosay to people is find the one
that works for you and play withit, integrate it and make it
your own, because your ownbreath is the guide to your own
success and expansion, andthat's something that I would
love to maybe we can gift to theaudience is our on-demand
(31:39):
library.
We'll give you free access andI've got over 80 hours of
recording in there that willgive you whatever you're looking
to, but you can definitely tryall of the different styles
which one works for you.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's very kind of you.
Thanks, pavel, and it's clearyou're incredibly in tune with
your body and how things impacton your body.
For those who aren't, whatwould you say in terms of how to
know if you found the rightbreath work, or will it be
incredibly obvious?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Absolutely.
So the number one thing isquestioning everything.
So I always say, if there's onesuperpower that I have, it's to
question everything andeveryone and every intention all
the time.
And basically what I mean bythis it's simple questions.
So does it work or does it notwork?
So start learning what thisfeels like in your body.
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For some people, they feel it,they hear it, they sense it.
The senses project into ourlife in different ways.
But what's really important isstart everything with question.
When I'm not sure in life, I askwhat would love do now?
So simple, if I'm not sure whatmy purpose is or what the right
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breath work is, I always do it,I feel it.
But I also ask is this breathwork limited or limiting, or is
it limitless?
So step number one is alwaysquestion Now.
At first you might not hear theanswers or you don't feel sure
about the answers.
There's always answers insideof you, but you're not going to
get them in that dominance ofyour beta brainwaves, because
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what happens with our mind, thehighest level of our ego, is a
spiritual illusionist thatjustifies everything.
By the way, that's one of thebiggest fears to our world is
this never-ending justificationand righteousness which does not
come from our true self, thatcomes from our build-up ego.
To be right, the need to beright Now.
To bypass that, we have tochange the brainwaves, the
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dominance of our brainwaves.
That can happen through asubtle meditation, but for most
people today you got to do alittle bit of a deep breathing.
And so I even say, if you justdo 15 deep inhales and exhales,
let's say like the basicretention, at the end of these
15 inhales and exhales you holdthe breath on, inhale and then
you sit down or lay down and yousqueeze from the center of your
(33:59):
power, so that way you canconnect to that brain guides
action.
Then you move the energy toyour heart and then you move the
energy to your brain.
So that way it's like a heart,brain, gut, right, like you've
got all three of our centers,and then you slow release,
exhale.
Even something that simple,just one round will change the
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brainwaves.
The minute you close your eyesyou're closer to alpha state
Again, like with our research,we can tell literally what's
been done.
And then also with HVvisualization, then you can
start, stimulate thesubconscious mind more of the
theta brainwave dominance.
And so when you think about it,right, like how do I start and
(34:40):
where do I start?
It's first like allowing thespace and time for it, so you
take a few minutes off and youdiscover self-discover,
self-question.
Then it's being consistent withthese times and maybe I can
share with you a very simplecyclical tool that I use, and I
call it a process of unhooking,which allows me to constantly be
(35:02):
able to live by my highest path.
For me, it's once a day.
First hour of the day I justspend by myself.
I go into breath, work,meditation, nature, I use some
of my biohacks like lighttherapy and red light and beyond
, and essentially the first hourof the day is the key to
determine your choices andconsequences for the day to
(35:25):
follow.
Now, once a week, I spend fullday off, completely out of the
digital world, physical world.
So I detox physically,digitally, mentally, and the
first half of the day I spend itjust by myself.
The second half of the day, Ibring family kids as well.
I have three kids by myself.
The second half of the day, Ibring family kids as well.
(35:47):
I have three kids.
Essentially, I go back in aweek and then I focus on the
next week forward.
What happens in those times is.
I'm now used to receiving theseinsights, receiving all of
these directions, which I usedto mute.
It just wasn't there right.
I just thought whatever I'mdoing is right.
But now I feel and I see thatdirect response because I allow
this time for it.
(36:07):
Once a month, I spent four dayscompletely off, and I'm just
coming out of this.
After our crazy European tour.
We did 15 events in seven daysin Finland, and so I flew the
family to Italy, and so for fourdays there was zero cell phone.
It was just us connectingnature, hot springs.
(36:27):
We were completely restoring,and what I do is I write, I look
back in a month, what have Iloved about this, what would
like to improve?
And I'll go forward a month.
What's what I want to do next?
And once a year I spend 10 daysin darkness and I take two
weeks completely off, and sothis is the bigger cycle.
(36:48):
So I've now done it five times.
I spent total 50 days indarkness without any food.
Essentially, this becomes myyearly reset.
So same thing, yearlyunderstanding where I'm going.
And the first time I went, mylife changed 360.
But the second, third, it wasjust a minor adjustment, minor
(37:10):
twist, and so that's what thisprocess of unhooking is for, so
you can know constantly whereyou are and where you're going.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Wow.
My instinct is to say I can'tbelieve you keep going back,
Pavel.
But my instinct is to say Ican't believe you keep going
back, pavel.
But I'm very impressed.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Wow, yeah, um, I do find that.
Yeah, andy, I've an agreementthere.
Like all the retreats I've done, I don't know if I could do
them again.
They were so challenging to goback and to know what you're
going into and how difficultit's going to be.
You've got to be, you've got tobe pretty tough mentally for
that kind of thing.
So hats off to you.
Pavel.
So yeah, with breathwork,obviously it's a very expanding
(37:52):
territory and a lot of peoplecall it the Wild West.
There's a lot of people sort ofmisusing, abusing it, doing
social media things.
What do you think people aregetting wrong about breathwork?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I think, just like anything, we have to treat it
just like any psychedelicexperience, because people are
getting into the same states,and so I think what I personally
see what's important whenpeople have negative experiences
, that they come from otherplaces and what scares them, I
think what a lot of thebreathwork instructors have to
be careful about is that we'renot here to cook people, right.
(38:28):
We're not there to like do itbecause we want people to cry.
We're not there because we'redoing it because we want people
to scream and yell and do all ofthis.
It's that's not the point,right?
The point is that breath is themedicine that's inside of all
of us.
That has to be treated as thatand so doing a prayer,
protection, creating a properfield that is energetically,
(38:49):
mentally, physically safe,making sure that when people are
going through this, there'speople to support them, right.
So in every event, we have awhole group of angels, reiki
healers and people that arethere to assist any of these
things.
I also think integration andproper closing is so important
as well, which in our events, wedo a 30-day committed journey
(39:13):
with a partner.
So we team up people, they havean accountability partner and
for 30 days, they have thingsthat they can follow, and we
also do integration journalbecause I think to journal and
write and open is really crucial.
But the key is that you havethat opening with a safe
instructor right Somewhere whereyou can understand, learn but
(39:34):
then really explore it on yourown, setting up these intentions
in your privacy of your house,and you will be blown away how
far and deep you can get withoutusing antidepressants, without
using, you know, all of theseother things that people are
dealing with, like anxiety andsleep and so forth.
So, yeah, so I think we have tobe really safe with the
(39:54):
environment we're creating andwe have to be really mindful
that we're not doing it for thereason to have people cry and
breakthroughs.
It's.
We're doing it for the reasonto be space holders right to be
in that safe environment torealize their greatest potential
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I like what you your phrase there.
We don't want to cook people.
I think that's spot on and I'vebeen posting a little bit about
this sort of the trauma pornthat you find on Instagram of
people you know having hugecathartic experiences and why
that's not necessarily a goodthing.
But it brings me on to, yeah,something we we were going to
talk about, which is a new studythat just came out.
(40:34):
I think it may have actuallycome out today, so the author
just sent it to me.
He's named Guy Fincham.
I think we'll have him on thepodcast at some point.
But he did a study where hecompared effectively he's called
it high ventilation breathworkwith breath holds, which is
effectively Wim Hof, and he had200 people.
So I think it's the largeststudy, randomized control trial
done on breathwork and he had aplacebo group who just did
(40:56):
normal breathing, around 15breaths per minute, without the
hyperventilation and shortbreath holds, and he found no
difference between those twogroups.
So in in the measures of stressand anxiety and depression.
So both groups worked in someregard.
Both groups had reductions instress, but there was no
(41:17):
difference between the peoplewho were going, you know, being
cooked, you might say by uh, bythe wim hof method and those who
were just doing more passivebreathing.
So so what do you think's goingon there?
What do you think that studysays?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I think it's.
It goes back to the basics ofwhen we focus.
Well, our brain can focus onlyone thing at a time.
So when we give a clear focusto something else but our
never-ending thinking rightmonkey brain, our past and
future we immediately realizepeace.
We immediately go into thisstate of relaxation.
I would be wondering so Ihaven't seen the study, but I
(41:53):
would wonder if they alsomeasured the alkalinity, if they
measured the levels of CO2, ifthey also measured EG.
I think that would beinteresting to understand, like
what's happening in the brain.
But remember, like Wim Hofmethod, some of the biggest
breakthroughs that happen, Iused to when I did solely Wim
Hof workshops.
We would give a pH test beforeand after to people to measure
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the alkalinity and majority ofthe people would be acidic and
they will be alkaline afterthree or four rounds of breath
and that was always fascinatingbecause that's a very physical
measure of health and I do thinkthat happens with the greater
saturation, because I don'tthink that happens.
I also would love to understandthe CO2 limits because I think
in today's world right, there'sa lot of people that are scared
(42:37):
of CO2.
And then, like it's also thelevels of how much we are able
to release, and I do think WimHof method does a lot of magic
in the best way possible withthat.
Because of the pauses right,because when you hyperventilate
and you hold your breath onexhale there's lack of CO2,
right.
And then when you inhale again,if it's a deep saturation,
there's an overload of CO2.
(42:58):
So I wonder what that does aswell when you don't do the deep
breath.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah.
So I wonder what that does aswell when you don't do the deep
breath.
Yeah, so I can say he didn'tmeasure CO2 or alkalinity or
brainwaves, he just measuredwell-being, anxiety and
depression and stress levels andyeah, I found improvements in
all those things.
But, yeah, without anydifferences between the groups.
But I know that Wim Hof hasbeen revolutionary for for many
(43:26):
people.
Some people have said it savedtheir life.
It has taken them out of deepdepressions when nothing else
would.
So maybe it is.
I think there'll be more tocome out of this.
Maybe wim hof is particularlygood for certain people who need
that aggressive inhalation andexhalation, and maybe there are
other people who benefit morefrom the passive the pacific
passive style of breath workyeah, and I also would say,
(43:48):
looking at it from there's thewhole physical, mental element,
right, but then also there'sthat whole emotional trauma
element which I think sometimesneeds that extra pressure, right
.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
If you had some really negative trauma happen to
you in the past, there is apoint where you got to bring it
up to the surface, and sometimesthat it happens through deep
states and that's why I thinkketamine, psilocybin treatments,
going in those ways, it's avery strong experience, right
for people.
And I think the same thinghappens with a deep
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hyperventilation that sometimesyou really need to feel it and
bring it out so it leaves youonce and for all I have a
general question, pavel, it'swith all these different skills
and areas of interest andexperience.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
What does it look like when you start working with
someone as in, who would cometo you?
What would you do?
Can you talk us a bit?
Talk us through that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
So we work in three different ways.
So we've got basically ouron-demand library with courses.
So we have a whole digitalfootprint where we, where people
, can just get a course and thengo through that experience.
Then we've got in-person stuffright.
So this is retreats, workshops,even corporate festivals, and
immersive experiences, andthat's in a group, right when
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they come through.
And then we have an e-commercethat's all around consciousness
expansion.
So this is like light therapyred light, blue light.
We've got measuring brain scanso we know where people are.
And that's the third part.
Now, when I work one-on-one withpeople, I actually take
everybody through the samereference that we discussed.
So it's like a, it's a processthat we first identify where we
(45:31):
at.
So the wake up, clean up, powerup and rest up.
I walk generally with all ofthe different aspects of the
life because for my personaljourney to transform, like it's
not just your physical health,it's not just your physical
health, it's not just yourmental health, it's not just
your relationships I always liketo say is, if you wake up in
the morning, right, and let'ssay that you're supposed to have
(45:51):
100% of your vital force,energy, to be at your highest
expression, but then let's saythat your house has a mold.
Let's say that your wife is.
You're really going hard withyour spouse, you are living as a
I don't know.
You're not living to yourpurpose, right, like you're
working for somebody that youhate.
So let's say that, like we takethese three things and you
(46:12):
lower down by 40, 50% before youeven start the day, right?
And so this is why I like in mywork is I like to look at every
single aspect that makes us whowe are.
Then I like to use thisreference, go through each
aspect so we can first clean upand get rid of those things that
don't work.
We replace them with the rightthings that do work.
We do this through breathwork.
(46:34):
So when it's digital, we alwaysidentify it through chit chat.
We look at the differentelements.
It's almost like a therapeuticin a lot of ways right To just
identify where you are and thenwe replace it.
We go straight, anchor it witha new belief system through
these exercises and sound and soforth.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
So very interactive.
Yeah, sounds very thorough.
I'm into it.
I like it.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, what is digital microdosing?
That is a great name.
Tell us more about that.
Is digital microdosing?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
That is a great name.
Tell us more about that.
Digital microdosing yes, Idon't know if this comes from me
, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's in your light visor that we have.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Oh, okay, got you.
You mean drug-free microdosing.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Oh, sorry, yes, Drug-free.
Sorry, yes, drug-free.
Microdosing, yes.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
So that's a technology that we actually
brought to the market.
It's called Visor and it's alight therapy in combination
with sound, and it's based onthe studies from the 20s.
Basically, there's incrediblescience showing how light
therapy can help withneuroplasticity, and so we
actually.
We also combine it with breath.
(47:49):
There's a variety of differentsettings, but the inventor
Garnett was able to figure outhow to basically stimulate the
same areas in your brain as ifyou were doing psychedelics, and
then, based on the therapytreatment, we literally follow
the same projected,research-based formula.
You can choose three days on,one day off, or the different
(48:10):
ways to microdose, and then itfollows in a course with the
light stimulation to basicallyhave this impact, and so I call
it the VIP lane to presentmoment, because when you are
exposed to this amount of lightin a short period of time, it
instantly brings your brain intofocus and then it can create
some major effects with yourneuroplasticity amazing amazing
(48:36):
and do you want to ask?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
yeah, I was going to ask.
So what's coming up for noah?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
aeon.
So I think the the mostexciting thing that we've been
working on for a while is we'recreating a peloton or orange
theory for your brain, and so weare working on a location to
basically open up a facilitywhere we're going to do breath,
dance, meditation all the thingsthat we're doing, but measured
(49:02):
with technology.
And so imagine, like a Pelotonbike, right when you are cycling
from home.
So we will be recording fromthis centralized location, but
people wearing a device thatwill be able to tell us where we
are on a group, coherent level,but also on a personal level.
So you're going to have a reallife data and real life
neurofeedback that'spersonalized to you while you
(49:25):
are on a sessions, from whatevercity that we're in, and so my
goal is to revolutionizecompletely the way that we're
meditating and breathing.
There is no more guess work.
There is a direct, instanttechnology that will give you
feedback, and my goal is also tobring all the disbelievers to
this to understand that whatsomething so simple can do.
(49:46):
And because I come fromfranchising so I used to
franchise Orange Theory I wouldlove to eventually start
creating these facilities aroundthe world that people have
modern church or whatever wecall it, where you can come and
dance, where you can come andexperience, there's this whole
community of people that are inthis journey through
self-transformation.
So this is my kind of a bigthing that, especially the next
(50:10):
year, we will be releasing, andalso a book.
I'll have a book ontransformation and putting this
into a paper, wow, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, sign me up, I want to come to this.
Yeah, breathwork Church.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Or maybe buy one of your franchises.
So yeah, pavel, I know you're avery popular podcast guest, so
I want to.
For me, it's I don't likeservice level podcasts Like.
For me I'm on a mission tounify the world one person at a
time, and it's really how we'regoing to reflect that and how
we're going to take the wallsthat we are putting, the
separation between us, becausewe're all on the same journey.
(50:58):
Right, whatever you're doing,we're doing where none of us are
higher, lower, bigger, smaller.
So it's like any deep questionthat will tackle that is
important for me.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Hopefully we've gone there, yeah, I think we have a
little yeah.
I think we did go on there.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay, good stuff.
Where do people find you then,Pavel?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
It's noaaoncom.
No-a-a-o n is our website.
We'll send also, if you guyswant the link, free library, so
you can test out all that wetalked about.
You actually can have it fromhome, which I like to take
people straight to action.
No more waiting for anything.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Fantastic, yeah yeah, we'll put that in the show
notes for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Yeah, and then the social media or however else you
like to connect.
We're here on our website youcan find the events.
So if it's anything near you, Iknow in.
We're constantly in europe, inus, asia, south america, so it's
there's every three months.
We switch the different regionsand we teach on every continent
besides antarctica, which I'mputting out there because I
(52:05):
would love to do one there yeahgood luck with that fantastic
yeah sounds.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
It sounds chilly, but probably better than the 10
days in the dark.
Cold exposure, free coldexposure.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You don't have to pay for any ice nice immersion, yes
, with penguins exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Thanks so much for giving the time today, pavel.
It's been fascinating to talkto you, yeah thanks a lot.
Thank you, guys, thank you forwhat you do.
Right back at you.
Yeah, best of luck for what'snext.
Yeah.
Hello and welcome back to Laughing Through the
Pain.
Navigating Wellness with me,richard L Blake and, for some
reason, andy E Sam, who's makinga funny face at me.
Why are you doing that?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I don't know.
I think it's just the introsare getting more and more like
comical, Like hello and welcome.
It's just a bit.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
it's very newscaster-y, it's good that way
Laughing Through the Pain,Laughing Through the Intro.
Navigating Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, who have we got today then, rich?
Sorry for interrupting.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
No, you should be.
I hate being interrupted.
It's very rude.
No, it's fine, I do it all thetime.
We've got Pavel.
Pavel is from Noah Aon, so hehas he's got a pretty impressive
background.
He no, you're shaking his head.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
It feels like the sort of thingthat would fill like four or
five lifetimes and the guy's 33.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, so he was a former professional cyclist.
We didn't go into that too much, but that's the first I've
heard of that.
Then he became a serialentrepreneur, franchisor,
franchising, I think, a hundredorange theories, and then he
sort of fell back intospirituality and breathwork and
(01:15):
shamanism.
So we hear about what he'sdoing with breathwork.
He's doing some very innovativethings.
He's also a DJ.
He DJ'd'd the biohackingconference, which where they had
a big, big party with, you know, thousands of people and he was
, he was in charge of that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So he's a pretty big time dj festival and club scene
as well, he mentioned yes, hedid and yeah he's, uh, he's done
some pretty intense stuff aswell.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
You know, I I like to think of myself as a bit of a
like an intense spiritual seeker, but man amateur compared to me
he does a 10 day 10 daydarkness retreat every year
darkness is okay, so darkness isone thing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No food is the thing that really scared me yeah
exactly, and yeah comes back.
He does it five times now, so50 days in total unbelievable.
And all that with um.
He was very honest about somepretty major setbacks in his
life as well, so a realgo-getter, putting a lot of good
out in the world.
It was a pleasure, wasn't itabsolutely all right.
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
Pavel, we're going to start you off with a nice
hard-hitting question.
Could you explain whatbreathwork means to you and its
benefits?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yes, I like this.
Breath is life, and I alwayssay this.
Breath is what you're born withand breath is what you die with
.
But what you do between thefirst breath and last breath is
what determines the quality, theawareness of your life.
And so the minute that I tookcharge of my breath aka going
(03:10):
from the unconscious mind intothe conscious mind, which I
think the breath is the leadgateway to this I realized the
immense power that I have andI'm not talking about egoic
power, but just self-confidence,knowing, understanding and
hearing all of these insightsthat our whole life we've been
maybe not listening to or payingattention to.
(03:32):
And so if there is one thingthat I truly believe that we can
learn from, it is our breath.
And, of course, we can talkabout different varieties, or
there's so many different waysto breathe and all of the
different focuses.
It will benefit you from yourphysical health, alkalinity,
energy, all the way to yourmental, emotional well-being.
(03:53):
Where I think that's where itreally gets interesting is using
breathwork for past traumas andfacing our things that we've
been holding on to for way toolong, which again is locking us
from full potential.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So how did you come to breathwork?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So there was this time, when I was born, I took a
first inhale.
I always think it's hilarious,right, because like breath is
always there, but like now it'slike an industry right Of
breathers that is becoming bad.
No, so for me it was abouteight years ago.
I went into, I booked myself togo to the Wim Hof Polish
(04:37):
excursion and a little bit of abackup.
So I spent last 15 yearstraveling the world and
searching for tools that canhelp us heal, whatever it's
physical, mental, emotional.
I looked at all of the differentcomplexes and committed myself
that I will basically go intothese retreats or workshops or
teachings to find peace, andessentially this was one of them
(05:02):
.
I actually walked into thissick.
I was mildly sick, with alittle bit of a pain around my
kidneys, I think I had a strep.
It was really odd, right Likeyou go into an ice for a week
with Wim Hof and you're feelingthis way, and I walked out of
there healthy and it was so farout of any sorts of belief
(05:24):
system which I'm not saying todo this, by the way, like on a
regular basis.
This was just my experience, towow myself that you can take
charge of your own immune systemand on your own focus.
And it wasn't until these deep,hour-long breathing session
that we did, towards the end,that I was just having these
huge transcendental experiencessimilar to psychedelics, and I
(05:47):
was so fascinated by it becauseI have tried psychedelics, I've
used different plant medicinesand I spent time with the tribes
in my journey, but nothing evercould be something I could keep
on an everyday basis, and sothis huge empowerment of
something that you don't have toseek something outside of you,
(06:08):
but it's all there within youand you just can affect it with
the power of your mind, withyour will, was fascinating.
And right after that I signed upfor the teacher training.
This is before Wim Hof was whatit is today.
It was a very disorganizedstill and it was very different
to which, and essentially Ispent the next year of teaching
(06:29):
and really teaching and showingothers because I want everybody
to feel what I felt, because itwas just so incredible to begin
with.
And then I used to own a OrangeTheory fitness franchises, but
right next to them I created ayoga fitness meditation center
in Atlanta, georgia, and that'swhere I started my breathwork.
(06:51):
So I started doing breathworkclasses for a membership already
about seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's awesome.
Yes, breathwork yeah, it'samazing what it can do.
And you made the joke about Imade my my first breath.
I took my first breath.
But that is a lot of people'ssort of joke is oh, you're a
breath worker, I've beenbreathing for 35 years.
What can you teach me about it?
But there's a lot to learn.
For sure you also have aprotocol called the system reset
(07:19):
.
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, so after about 15 years of traveling, I went
into darkroom and so I spent 10days in darkness about.
I think it was either rightbefore or right after the Wim
Hof excursion.
It was funny, it was like allhappening in that year and I was
a busy entrepreneur and Iwanted peace.
So I, like, signed up for this10 days of darkness with no food
(07:43):
, with Jas Mohin, who later onbecame my mentor, and basically
it's this initiation into pranicliving, into this whole other
like alternative ways to life.
Now it took me about seven daysto finally surrender, and it
was after Wim Hof because I wasdoing breathwork.
In there.
There was some of the deepeststates I was able to access,
(08:05):
like this DMT type releases,because of the darkness right,
there was no food and no light,so you could really see the
difference.
And so this one session, sevendays in, I finally just
surrendered and I start cryingand purging and I went into this
beautiful state of bliss andfor the first time in my life I
(08:28):
wasn't worrying about what otherpeople thought and who.
I came into a place of who I amnot for what I'm not, and in
that moment it was so clear.
This is where basically theSystem Reset came about, and
also NOAA Aon, which is thebrand that we do it under, and
basically NOAA symbolizesmovement, noah Aon, which is the
brand that we do it under, andbasically Noah symbolizes
movement.
Aon is all or none.
(08:49):
And it symbolizes duality, thisnever-ending ping pong, highs
and lows and good days and baddays, that I knew there is
another way to it, and that iscoming back into the center,
coming back into that harmony,health and happiness.
And so, when I walked out ofthere, the message was so clear
Get rid of all of your businesscareer.
Like you gotta live in service.
(09:10):
You gotta rediscover yourpassion, which is music for me.
You gotta live your purpose,which became teachings, lectures
and workshops.
And it was done through thesystem reset toolbox.
So think about a system reset asa computer for a moment.
So, just like a computer, whenyou hold the button for two or
(09:30):
more seconds, it resets back tobaseline.
And through coding, we're doingexactly the same in our events.
And so think about your mind asthe software, the body as the
hardware.
And when a computer needs todownload new software, we
connect is the hardware, andwhen a computer needs to
download new software, weconnect to the internet.
Now, what we do in the sessionsand events, through breath,
(09:51):
dance, meditation and sound,we're connecting to the inner
net, which is always there.
But we got to change thebrainwaves.
We got to change the way we'reoperating and the way we spend
our time.
And we've got to change the waywe're operating and the way we
spend our time.
And so what I've learnedthrough this is we're overly
thinking.
Beta dominant species right now, right, whatever, it's just the
(10:13):
life overdoers.
But what happens when you takea pause?
What happens when you shiftthose brainwaves into more of
the alpha theta and you startaccessing the subconscious mind,
you start having these releases, you start having these
insights that you maybe haven'theard for a long time.
And, through System Reset, weopen up this portal through
these tools.
(10:33):
Basically, after 15 years oftraveling, I put the ones that
worked, that had a scientificvalidation under them and that
we could make, into a funexperience.
That's all under the same motto.
And then, through recoding, weare literally changing the way
our belief systems and ourbodies and relationships through
these sessions that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I love the analogy.
I feel like, yeah, the computeranalogy is what.
What makes most sense to mewhen I think about are we living
in a computer simulation and,you know, downloading
information and things like that?
But so what was it like doing10 days of darkness?
Because I've done 10 day forpassing, I've done a month of
ayahuasca, but I don't think Icould do 10 days of 10 days in
(11:12):
the darkness and no food yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
so it was one of those things that that, along my
journey that was, was reallyintriguing to me, and I
discovered this early on at adrum ball of Melchizedek's
workshop, and it was calledOpening Illuminated Heart and he
.
What caught my attention themost was that there's this set
of people in the world that aresolely nourished by prana they
(11:37):
don't eat any physical food andI was so fascinated by it, but
also just so far beyond any ofmy belief, you know, that this
could be possible, and so myopen heart and open mindset was
like you've got to go.
You've got to go test this outand see what happens.
And so then I go for the firsttime, and this is with Jasmoheen
(11:59):
, who is an incredible person.
She hasn't eaten any physicalfood for the past 25 years and
she's been one of those bringersto this possibility, stating
that there is about 200,000people in the world that are
solely nourished by prana, orsource or love, whatever we call
this.
And so I was like I'm goingthere see what happens, and it
(12:23):
took me two weeks after the daysto reintroduce food, and to me
that was so fascinated that Iliterally was not hungry.
Like it was the weirdestfeeling, and you would think
that you would lose weight.
And yes, some people loseweight, but that's when you're
still fasting, right.
(12:43):
But when you turn the fastedfuel to no longer be dependent
on the physical food and youturn it into the energetic food,
you essentially stop losingweight.
I have a proof of this as well.
I literally took a picturesbefore darkroom and after
darkroom and I show this topeople.
(13:04):
I'm like what do you think isthe one before, after?
Every single person thinks thatthe one after is it's flipped
upside down and I've actuallygained weight being inside of
darkness without any food.
So for me it was so fascinatingand basically she teaches you a
direct lifestyle.
It's an eight-point lifestylethat you abide and that you live
(13:25):
within, and the goal is not tonot eat, that you eat for
pleasure.
If you do want to eat, youdon't eat for the need and you
lose the desires of the physical, mental, emotional hungers that
are attached to the way wespend time here on earth and
when we are spending our time onmoney, sex, power, to keep it
simple, right, all of the thingsof the flashy instant
(13:47):
gratification.
Yes, we're going to be hungry.
Yes, we're going to seekpleasure.
We're going to seek all ofthese instant things.
But if we shift the focus moreinto the stillness and silence
and you live in purpose, youspend time to meditate, you
switch that busy lifestylearound and ask yourself what is
true harmony, what is true peace?
(14:07):
But simple things like this,it's nothing.
No high level spiritualconcepts.
But how do we just change theway we live?
Then we will naturally startlosing hunger in all of these
levels.
We will naturally move into thestate of surrender and place of
openness and love and insteadof fear, of surrender, and place
(14:28):
of openness and love instead offear.
And so I know it's really farout there and it was for me as
well.
But having this experience, Iwas really blown away by the
potential and I haven't beenable to convert fully in my
lifestyle.
I have a balance right nowwhere I eat once or twice a day.
It's mostly liquid.
Even that alone.
That knowing that I don't haveto depend on it and I can go
(14:49):
into a deep state of meditationand rather fuel myself with
positive thoughts and emotionsand feelings is really
incredible freedom by itself.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It sounds incredible.
Yes, as you say, incrediblefreedom.
I'm speechless yeah.
Yeah, I think I have too muchof a dependence on ice cream to
do anything like that you 100%do.
Maybe I could free myself frommy ice cream dependency with a
10-day darkness retreat.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Pavel, going back, it seems to me like 15 years
traveling the world.
Could you give us a bit ofinsight into what was fueling
that?
What were you looking for?
Or did you not even know?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It was pain.
So I used to be a professionalathlete, I used to be a road
cyclist and I traveled the worldwith it, and I also was an
entrepreneur from a really youngage where I had to figure out a
way how to make means to fuelthe cycling.
And essentially I was about 19years old and I fall into a
(15:51):
massive depression.
I had a chronic fatigue,epstein-barr.
I was literally sick every twoweeks and I could not continue
with my cycling career, and soin that moment it was really
like a just hardcore thing tohave all these dreams to be at
Tour de France and Olympics andbeing also at the forefront of
it, like really far enough to beable to do that one day, but
(16:13):
then it gets all crushed.
So that was like a big pivotalmoment.
My second pivotal moment waswhen I moved to America and I
started putting all of myendurance into business.
I built this fitness empirewith almost 100 locations under
my belt, but I burned out againand I was depressed again and I
got divorced.
And so you know, even though Ichecklist all of these things
(16:35):
that were taught that arehappiness and that will bring us
happiness, I kept on havingthis deep voice inside of me
that says there is more to life.
Follow this.
To give you a little bit of acontext I grew up with shaman
out of all things in CzechRepublic, and so my mother was
the first inclination tospirituality and yoga and bedas
(16:57):
and a lot of the traditionalstuff.
But I always thought it wasweird, I like put it on the back
burner and I like didn't wantanybody to know this.
But while I was even cycling, Ikept on reading books and I
kept on being intrigued by thistopic of mindfulness and
meditation and I joined a fewdifferent groups.
I went with the gurus.
I spent a month in India, whereI traveled through different
(17:21):
ashrams and really like livingthat whole lifestyle.
I've done Zen master trainingwith the Japanese samurais in
Japan, in Kyoto.
I spent a month with thepsychics in Brazil, literally in
this psychic village in themiddle of nowhere.
So it led me on a reallyinteresting pathways.
But what I've learned from allof these travels is that life is
(17:42):
so much more simple than wemake it and we life continues to
give us feedback on everysingle level.
I basically brought theselevels into three different ways
of how we operate and I call ita me we be and what I mean by
this is me is the individualconsciousness.
This, this is your physicalhealth, mental health, your
(18:04):
emotional health, your spiritualconnection.
Then you've got the we, whichis the relationships that we
have.
This is also the environmentthat we live in the air, water,
anything on the outsideimpacting inside, and also the
social structures.
What is the belief system ofthe countries that we're part of
, and so on.
And then the B is the beliefsystem of the countries that
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we're part of, and so on.
And then the B is thesupraconsciousness.
This is, if you keep on zoomingout on our existence, right, it
can go infinitely deep and wedon't even, we can't even
comprehend that.
But essentially, if yousimplify it, we operate in these
three different levels.
It gives us micro cycles andmacro cycles that will keep on
coming back to us and giving usthe feedback based on what we
(18:45):
need to receive.
And so my whole life I spentrunning away from problem,
running away from pain, right,hiding the pain and not talk
about the pain.
But then, in a dark room, andthrough this, I started
realizing that it's actuallywhere I need to look into right.
And so then I start lookinginto negative thoughts, negative
health, like an Epstein bar andfiguring out how to fix it.
(19:07):
I came up with this simpleframework that anybody can look
where they are, and essentiallyit's four steps.
It's super easy.
It's a wake up, clean up, powerup and rest up Essentially what
it does.
You first wake up.
You look at all of the mostprominent things in your life,
whatever its relationships,whatever it's something simple
(19:29):
as your blood work right.
Maybe you are low on vitamin D,high on environmental toxins.
It gives you a data set so youcan bring the power back to you.
The second part is clean up.
This is when you detox thetoxins, when you get rid of the
negative relationships.
If you keep on thinking thatyou're not good enough or that
you can't, you get rid of thatthought.
So that way you can power upinto the third phase and this is
(19:53):
when you bring vitamin Dsupplement.
This is when you bring newideas, new thoughts.
You go into the offense so youcan rest up, which is the fourth
phase and that's thereassessment, understanding
where you are taking time foryourself and unhooking from all
of this busy world.
And so, through these steps, Ibasically start understanding
(20:13):
that everything is anopportunity to grow, everything
is an opportunity to learn,everything is an opportunity to
give the power out or keep thepower in, and so this is just a
simple way of how we we teachthis and how we do it in our
events, so people understandthat nothing is by coincidence
thank you so much being sohonest about all of that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's a hell of a journey you've been on
absolutely extraordinary yeah, Iknow it's really interesting
that the journey of the athleteand the entrepreneur you've done
too.
You know I know a lot ofprofessional athletes.
Yeah, they have successfulcareers.
Then they retire age 35.
And they slip into a deepdepression because nothing can
match that high of performing infront of the crowd.
(20:55):
Or the entrepreneur thinks,I'll be happy once I make my
10th million dollar, and thenthey slip into depression.
Depression.
But you've had those both soearly and at the same time, had
that sort of spirituality tofall back on because it was
something you grew up with there.
And now you've dedicated yourlife to it.
And yeah, you, you're also asuperstar dj, aren't you?
(21:19):
That's a big part of your thing.
So I don't don't think anyone'sreally doing breathwork and
music like you are.
So tell us how music comes intoyour work.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
In the process of unhooking, as I like to call it,
which happened for me in darkroom the first time.
For the first time I had a timeto think.
I had a time to think about thepast, about the future, about
the present and basically, justto give you a quick background
on this, how I occupied my mindin a dark room.
I spent the first half goingbackwards, so I would literally
(21:51):
think about all of the differentsituations I could remember and
who did I hurt, what hurt me?
And just like, really marinateon it, because otherwise I would
go crazy with the monkey brain.
And then by the last few daysof the dark room I start
spending about what are mydreams, what do I really want
and like, where do I want to go?
And so this is when, for thefirst time, I had a chance to
(22:12):
actually think what are my trueheart's desires?
Because a lot of times we justlive and do and never allow for
that opening, and then we'rewondering what is our purpose?
But then how do we find thepurpose if we don't allow the
time for the purpose to comeinto the space?
So in that moment Irediscovered my passion, which
(22:32):
was always music, and so it wasreally clear I love DJ shows and
I love festivals and I'vealways loved that act of it.
I used to also grew up dancing,and so the message was like you
get out there and you're goingto learn how to produce music,
you're going to learn how to DJand then you're going to bring
this to the nightclubs at a time.
So that's where, from Darker,where it started and my purpose
(22:53):
right became you got to givethis message out.
So retreats, workshops,immersive experiences, combining
the passion with the purpose,and what I also learned in there
was what is the legacy Like?
How do you make means to livein service, which was given by
the events we do, by oure-commerce and so forth.
So it literally it all camefrom darkroom originally.
(23:15):
Now, because I like to doeverything different, I was like
how do we push the boundariesof traditional music?
And because I love meditation,but I also love having
meditation through dance,because, who's to say, we just
have to be so still and rigidand disciplined.
Right, it's not always aboutthis pitriphal way of learning.
A lot of times it's abouthaving fun and in the process of
(23:36):
it, which we are a lot of timesforgetting.
And so I was like how do Icreate music with solfeggio
frequency on a modern beat?
And so that's, when you go toour like spotify or our dj sets,
it's a reharmonized tracks thatyou may recognize, that you may
know, but we use at differentfrequencies based on the
(23:56):
solfeggio scale or to help withdifferent topics, right?
So if it's frequency of love,we use a lot with five to eight
hertz and essentially it's areally intentional music and
songs, but it still hits.
We still go hard.
The energy of our events isincredible.
We've got live instrumentalists, drummers, singers.
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It's a full-on show but it'ssober, it's conscious, it's a
way of opening and safety spacefor people to express without
being weird, without feelinglike they're weird, because when
I started this, I played atmajor music festivals and
festivals, from Ultra to Burningman and to like a nightclubs.
(24:39):
But when I quit drinkingalcohol, I could not be in that
space anymore and I was likewhat am I doing here?
This is not why I started this,and so my poor little lost soul
basically was like I need outand I need to figure out a way
that I can keep on, channel thisfun in a different ways.
That's why now we curate ourown events.
(25:00):
We do also festivals, we alsodo conferences and all of these
different things.
But generally we have our ownstage or we have our own
environment that we can containthis.
So it goes within theenvironment of what we want to
do.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
What are solfeggio frequencies?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
is somebody that has played with frequencies quite a
bit, so there's a whole scale.
There's anything from like 174,which is like a pain reducer
all the way up to 980 somethingI would have to have it in front
of me but the one that's mostutilized has been 432 hertz.
A lot of instruments are tunedto that and it's believed to be
like the closest thing to God orto oneness, to this universe.
And essentially from myresearch on this, when you use
(25:52):
441 hertz, like the standardthat actually has been set up by
Rockefeller family in the 20s.
It was set up to be thestandard sound for radios, tvs,
music and so forth standardsound for radios, tvs, music and
so forth.
Now think about 440, 441 hertz Idon't use it enough anymore so
I don't even remember thefrequency.
It's if you are driving in acar and you're listening to a
(26:15):
radio and you are in betweencities, so the radio starts
muffling before it hits the nextcity, and so the same thing is
441 hertz does to our brain, soit's a distorting sound
basically that we're putting in.
Now, anything that's even justa little bit different from 441,
(26:36):
maybe, let's say 442, just aneven tiny bit different than
this standard, it becomes asound that's closer to God, to
universe, to the sound that weare meant to listen to and
progress with, and so I don'twant to be a conspiracy, but I
think it is made by design in alot of ways, like what we're
using, and, essentially, whenyou start playing with these
(26:58):
frequencies and intention, Itruly believe that sound can
heal the world.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's the one thing that we all have in common and
it's the one thing that, evenfrom a biblical ways, right at
the beginning there was a wordand word whatever sound,
frequency, vibration, right,that dictates our existence yeah
, I think that's reallyinteresting and I think that
you're yeah, you're bringingsomething new in the sort of the
(27:24):
ecstasy that a lot of youngpeople are giving up Because
supposedly a lot of young peopleare not drinking.
I've just seen a statistic thatthe percentage of young people
who don't drink has gone up from14% to 21% in the last five
years in the UK.
So can you say more?
Because, yeah, breathwork.
I think when most people thinkabout breathwork, they think, oh
(27:46):
, it's just going to help merelax, that's it.
And now people are alsostarting to think more about,
like, conscious, connectedbreathing.
Oh, it's going to help me as areplacement for therapy.
But you're doing more than that.
What else are you doing withbreathwork?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah.
So I always like to say we usebreath as the guidelines, like,
breath is just a tool, just likesome people use vitamins,
minerals, nootropics.
It's a tool that we get tocertain states, but the main why
is recoding our existence,because everything is.
Computers are an extension ofus right, and so if we think
about how computers work for amoment and we have a certain
(28:20):
amount of apps, for example, onour phone, when you don't use an
app, you hold the app, you exitout of it, and so really I see
the breathwork as a way to getinto these alternative states,
to change your brainwaves, sothat way you can face whatever
those limitations are, and thenyou can recode the new
limitations.
Just like a computer, youdownload a new.
(28:42):
Now, when you think about breathwork in general and I think
it's important for people todiscern, so I always like to put
it in two categories You've gotthe subtle breathing, which is
something you can do right nowwhen you're listening, talking,
driving and whatever it's.
The gold standard is about fiveand a half second in, five and
a half second out, in and outyour nose, and if you can be
(29:03):
aware of this as frequently aspossible, we know it increases
your heart rate variability, itlowers down your stress.
We'll bring that conscious mindinto a forefront, and so to me
that's like the basic one-on-oneBe aware of a longer extended
breath in and out your nose alsoreally important for longevity
and as a filter to ourrespiratory system.
(29:25):
Now then you've got also thingslike 4-7-8, where you inhale
for 4, hold it for 7, exhale for8.
Another one, amazing foranxiety.
Now other one, for example, whenyou look at life situations is
when somebody crosses in frontof you in a car, right,
something as simple as this.
You have an option to react orto proact, as I like to call it.
(29:49):
Come back into neutrality andagain using every situation in
your life as a way to grow, toexpand you.
Essentially, when you go intothe treacherous situations, eyes
, bad, fear, anybody's trying tofight you, right, like anywhere
, you get exposed to fight orflight.
The way you calm yourself downis long, deep, prolonged exhale,
so out of your mouth and justblowing the air out, relaxing
(30:13):
into your body.
So these are just like a verymainstream, three simple
breathing styles that you can doto just bring more awareness.
But now then you've got thedeep breathing styles, which is
when things can get interesting,which you don't want to do
standing up, driving, beingaround water because you can
potentially pass out.
There's a lightheadednessinvolved in this.
(30:34):
This is when I like to play andintegrate a lot of them.
So one of my favorite things,what we've been doing, is we
call it the hybrid breath work.
We integrate different stylestogether with intention, with
sound, with vibration, so thatway we can maximize the results.
And the reason why I know thisis because we've been using this
EEG headband to be able tomeasure exactly what is
(30:57):
happening in real life to yourbrain and what happens in a
different state that you'reaccessing.
So there is no guesswork.
We actually literally reverseengineered the breathing styles
to be able to tackle differentissues For this category right,
you've got the Wim Hof breath.
You've got holotropic breath.
There is this power breathingwhere you're squeezing.
(31:18):
There is connected breath, somabreath.
Right, there's many differentstyles.
Again, what I always like tosay to people is find the one
that works for you and play withit, integrate it and make it
your own, because your ownbreath is the guide to your own
success and expansion, andthat's something that I would
love to maybe we can gift to theaudience is our on-demand
(31:39):
library.
We'll give you free access andI've got over 80 hours of
recording in there that willgive you whatever you're looking
to, but you can definitely tryall of the different styles
which one works for you.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's very kind of you.
Thanks, pavel, and it's clearyou're incredibly in tune with
your body and how things impacton your body.
For those who aren't, whatwould you say in terms of how to
know if you found the rightbreath work, or will it be
incredibly obvious?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Absolutely.
So the number one thing isquestioning everything.
So I always say, if there's onesuperpower that I have, it's to
question everything andeveryone and every intention all
the time.
And basically what I mean bythis it's simple questions.
So does it work or does it notwork?
So start learning what thisfeels like in your body.
(32:30):
For some people, they feel it,they hear it, they sense it.
The senses project into ourlife in different ways.
But what's really important isstart everything with question.
When I'm not sure in life, I askwhat would love do now?
So simple, if I'm not sure whatmy purpose is or what the right
(32:50):
breath work is, I always do it,I feel it.
But I also ask is this breathwork limited or limiting, or is
it limitless?
So step number one is alwaysquestion Now.
At first you might not hear theanswers or you don't feel sure
about the answers.
There's always answers insideof you, but you're not going to
get them in that dominance ofyour beta brainwaves, because
(33:12):
what happens with our mind, thehighest level of our ego, is a
spiritual illusionist thatjustifies everything.
By the way, that's one of thebiggest fears to our world is
this never-ending justificationand righteousness which does not
come from our true self, thatcomes from our build-up ego.
To be right, the need to beright Now.
To bypass that, we have tochange the brainwaves, the
(33:36):
dominance of our brainwaves.
That can happen through asubtle meditation, but for most
people today you got to do alittle bit of a deep breathing.
And so I even say, if you justdo 15 deep inhales and exhales,
let's say like the basicretention, at the end of these
15 inhales and exhales you holdthe breath on, inhale and then
you sit down or lay down and yousqueeze from the center of your
(33:59):
power, so that way you canconnect to that brain guides
action.
Then you move the energy toyour heart and then you move the
energy to your brain.
So that way it's like a heart,brain, gut, right, like you've
got all three of our centers,and then you slow release,
exhale.
Even something that simple,just one round will change the
(34:19):
brainwaves.
The minute you close your eyesyou're closer to alpha state
Again, like with our research,we can tell literally what's
been done.
And then also with HVvisualization, then you can
start, stimulate thesubconscious mind more of the
theta brainwave dominance.
And so when you think about it,right, like how do I start and
(34:40):
where do I start?
It's first like allowing thespace and time for it, so you
take a few minutes off and youdiscover self-discover,
self-question.
Then it's being consistent withthese times and maybe I can
share with you a very simplecyclical tool that I use, and I
call it a process of unhooking,which allows me to constantly be
(35:02):
able to live by my highest path.
For me, it's once a day.
First hour of the day I justspend by myself.
I go into breath, work,meditation, nature, I use some
of my biohacks like lighttherapy and red light and beyond
, and essentially the first hourof the day is the key to
determine your choices andconsequences for the day to
(35:25):
follow.
Now, once a week, I spend fullday off, completely out of the
digital world, physical world.
So I detox physically,digitally, mentally, and the
first half of the day I spend itjust by myself.
The second half of the day, Ibring family kids as well.
I have three kids by myself.
The second half of the day, Ibring family kids as well.
(35:47):
I have three kids.
Essentially, I go back in aweek and then I focus on the
next week forward.
What happens in those times is.
I'm now used to receiving theseinsights, receiving all of
these directions, which I usedto mute.
It just wasn't there right.
I just thought whatever I'mdoing is right.
But now I feel and I see thatdirect response because I allow
this time for it.
(36:07):
Once a month, I spent four dayscompletely off, and I'm just
coming out of this.
After our crazy European tour.
We did 15 events in seven daysin Finland, and so I flew the
family to Italy, and so for fourdays there was zero cell phone.
It was just us connectingnature, hot springs.
(36:27):
We were completely restoring,and what I do is I write, I look
back in a month, what have Iloved about this, what would
like to improve?
And I'll go forward a month.
What's what I want to do next?
And once a year I spend 10 daysin darkness and I take two
weeks completely off, and sothis is the bigger cycle.
(36:48):
So I've now done it five times.
I spent total 50 days indarkness without any food.
Essentially, this becomes myyearly reset.
So same thing, yearlyunderstanding where I'm going.
And the first time I went, mylife changed 360.
But the second, third, it wasjust a minor adjustment, minor
(37:10):
twist, and so that's what thisprocess of unhooking is for, so
you can know constantly whereyou are and where you're going.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Wow.
My instinct is to say I can'tbelieve you keep going back,
Pavel.
But my instinct is to say Ican't believe you keep going
back, pavel.
But I'm very impressed.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Wow, yeah, um, I do find that.
Yeah, andy, I've an agreementthere.
Like all the retreats I've done, I don't know if I could do
them again.
They were so challenging to goback and to know what you're
going into and how difficultit's going to be.
You've got to be, you've got tobe pretty tough mentally for
that kind of thing.
So hats off to you.
Pavel.
So yeah, with breathwork,obviously it's a very expanding
(37:52):
territory and a lot of peoplecall it the Wild West.
There's a lot of people sort ofmisusing, abusing it, doing
social media things.
What do you think people aregetting wrong about breathwork?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I think, just like anything, we have to treat it
just like any psychedelicexperience, because people are
getting into the same states,and so I think what I personally
see what's important whenpeople have negative experiences
, that they come from otherplaces and what scares them, I
think what a lot of thebreathwork instructors have to
be careful about is that we'renot here to cook people, right.
(38:28):
We're not there to like do itbecause we want people to cry.
We're not there because we'redoing it because we want people
to scream and yell and do all ofthis.
It's that's not the point,right?
The point is that breath is themedicine that's inside of all
of us.
That has to be treated as thatand so doing a prayer,
protection, creating a properfield that is energetically,
(38:49):
mentally, physically safe,making sure that when people are
going through this, there'speople to support them, right.
So in every event, we have awhole group of angels, reiki
healers and people that arethere to assist any of these
things.
I also think integration andproper closing is so important
as well, which in our events, wedo a 30-day committed journey
(39:13):
with a partner.
So we team up people, they havean accountability partner and
for 30 days, they have thingsthat they can follow, and we
also do integration journalbecause I think to journal and
write and open is really crucial.
But the key is that you havethat opening with a safe
instructor right Somewhere whereyou can understand, learn but
(39:34):
then really explore it on yourown, setting up these intentions
in your privacy of your house,and you will be blown away how
far and deep you can get withoutusing antidepressants, without
using, you know, all of theseother things that people are
dealing with, like anxiety andsleep and so forth.
So, yeah, so I think we have tobe really safe with the
(39:54):
environment we're creating andwe have to be really mindful
that we're not doing it for thereason to have people cry and
breakthroughs.
It's.
We're doing it for the reasonto be space holders right to be
in that safe environment torealize their greatest potential
yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I like what you your phrase there.
We don't want to cook people.
I think that's spot on and I'vebeen posting a little bit about
this sort of the trauma pornthat you find on Instagram of
people you know having hugecathartic experiences and why
that's not necessarily a goodthing.
But it brings me on to, yeah,something we we were going to
talk about, which is a new studythat just came out.
(40:34):
I think it may have actuallycome out today, so the author
just sent it to me.
He's named Guy Fincham.
I think we'll have him on thepodcast at some point.
But he did a study where hecompared effectively he's called
it high ventilation breathworkwith breath holds, which is
effectively Wim Hof, and he had200 people.
So I think it's the largeststudy, randomized control trial
done on breathwork and he had aplacebo group who just did
(40:56):
normal breathing, around 15breaths per minute, without the
hyperventilation and shortbreath holds, and he found no
difference between those twogroups.
So in in the measures of stressand anxiety and depression.
So both groups worked in someregard.
Both groups had reductions instress, but there was no
(41:17):
difference between the peoplewho were going, you know, being
cooked, you might say by uh, bythe wim hof method and those who
were just doing more passivebreathing.
So so what do you think's goingon there?
What do you think that studysays?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I think it's.
It goes back to the basics ofwhen we focus.
Well, our brain can focus onlyone thing at a time.
So when we give a clear focusto something else but our
never-ending thinking rightmonkey brain, our past and
future we immediately realizepeace.
We immediately go into thisstate of relaxation.
I would be wondering so Ihaven't seen the study, but I
(41:53):
would wonder if they alsomeasured the alkalinity, if they
measured the levels of CO2, ifthey also measured EG.
I think that would beinteresting to understand, like
what's happening in the brain.
But remember, like Wim Hofmethod, some of the biggest
breakthroughs that happen, Iused to when I did solely Wim
Hof workshops.
We would give a pH test beforeand after to people to measure
(42:15):
the alkalinity and majority ofthe people would be acidic and
they will be alkaline afterthree or four rounds of breath
and that was always fascinatingbecause that's a very physical
measure of health and I do thinkthat happens with the greater
saturation, because I don'tthink that happens.
I also would love to understandthe CO2 limits because I think
in today's world right, there'sa lot of people that are scared
(42:37):
of CO2.
And then, like it's also thelevels of how much we are able
to release, and I do think WimHof method does a lot of magic
in the best way possible withthat.
Because of the pauses right,because when you hyperventilate
and you hold your breath onexhale there's lack of CO2,
right.
And then when you inhale again,if it's a deep saturation,
there's an overload of CO2.
(42:58):
So I wonder what that does aswell when you don't do the deep
breath.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah.
So I wonder what that does aswell when you don't do the deep
breath.
Yeah, so I can say he didn'tmeasure CO2 or alkalinity or
brainwaves, he just measuredwell-being, anxiety and
depression and stress levels andyeah, I found improvements in
all those things.
But, yeah, without anydifferences between the groups.
But I know that Wim Hof hasbeen revolutionary for for many
(43:26):
people.
Some people have said it savedtheir life.
It has taken them out of deepdepressions when nothing else
would.
So maybe it is.
I think there'll be more tocome out of this.
Maybe wim hof is particularlygood for certain people who need
that aggressive inhalation andexhalation, and maybe there are
other people who benefit morefrom the passive the pacific
passive style of breath workyeah, and I also would say,
(43:48):
looking at it from there's thewhole physical, mental element,
right, but then also there'sthat whole emotional trauma
element which I think sometimesneeds that extra pressure, right
.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
If you had some really negative trauma happen to
you in the past, there is apoint where you got to bring it
up to the surface, and sometimesthat it happens through deep
states and that's why I thinkketamine, psilocybin treatments,
going in those ways, it's avery strong experience, right
for people.
And I think the same thinghappens with a deep
(44:19):
hyperventilation that sometimesyou really need to feel it and
bring it out so it leaves youonce and for all I have a
general question, pavel, it'swith all these different skills
and areas of interest andexperience.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
What does it look like when you start working with
someone as in, who would cometo you?
What would you do?
Can you talk us a bit?
Talk us through that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
So we work in three different ways.
So we've got basically ouron-demand library with courses.
So we have a whole digitalfootprint where we, where people
, can just get a course and thengo through that experience.
Then we've got in-person stuffright.
So this is retreats, workshops,even corporate festivals, and
immersive experiences, andthat's in a group, right when
(45:07):
they come through.
And then we have an e-commercethat's all around consciousness
expansion.
So this is like light therapyred light, blue light.
We've got measuring brain scanso we know where people are.
And that's the third part.
Now, when I work one-on-one withpeople, I actually take
everybody through the samereference that we discussed.
So it's like a, it's a processthat we first identify where we
(45:31):
at.
So the wake up, clean up, powerup and rest up.
I walk generally with all ofthe different aspects of the
life because for my personaljourney to transform, like it's
not just your physical health,it's not just your physical
health, it's not just yourmental health, it's not just
your relationships I always liketo say is, if you wake up in
the morning, right, and let'ssay that you're supposed to have
(45:51):
100% of your vital force,energy, to be at your highest
expression, but then let's saythat your house has a mold.
Let's say that your wife is.
You're really going hard withyour spouse, you are living as a
I don't know.
You're not living to yourpurpose, right, like you're
working for somebody that youhate.
So let's say that, like we takethese three things and you
(46:12):
lower down by 40, 50% before youeven start the day, right?
And so this is why I like in mywork is I like to look at every
single aspect that makes us whowe are.
Then I like to use thisreference, go through each
aspect so we can first clean upand get rid of those things that
don't work.
We replace them with the rightthings that do work.
We do this through breathwork.
(46:34):
So when it's digital, we alwaysidentify it through chit chat.
We look at the differentelements.
It's almost like a therapeuticin a lot of ways right To just
identify where you are and thenwe replace it.
We go straight, anchor it witha new belief system through
these exercises and sound and soforth.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
So very interactive.
Yeah, sounds very thorough.
I'm into it.
I like it.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, what is digital microdosing?
That is a great name.
Tell us more about that.
Is digital microdosing?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
That is a great name.
Tell us more about that.
Digital microdosing yes, Idon't know if this comes from me
, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
It's in your light visor that we have.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Oh, okay, got you.
You mean drug-free microdosing.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Oh, sorry, yes, Drug-free.
Sorry, yes, drug-free.
Microdosing, yes.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
So that's a technology that we actually
brought to the market.
It's called Visor and it's alight therapy in combination
with sound, and it's based onthe studies from the 20s.
Basically, there's incrediblescience showing how light
therapy can help withneuroplasticity, and so we
actually.
We also combine it with breath.
(47:49):
There's a variety of differentsettings, but the inventor
Garnett was able to figure outhow to basically stimulate the
same areas in your brain as ifyou were doing psychedelics, and
then, based on the therapytreatment, we literally follow
the same projected,research-based formula.
You can choose three days on,one day off, or the different
(48:10):
ways to microdose, and then itfollows in a course with the
light stimulation to basicallyhave this impact, and so I call
it the VIP lane to presentmoment, because when you are
exposed to this amount of lightin a short period of time, it
instantly brings your brain intofocus and then it can create
some major effects with yourneuroplasticity amazing amazing
(48:36):
and do you want to ask?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
yeah, I was going to ask.
So what's coming up for noah?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
aeon.
So I think the the mostexciting thing that we've been
working on for a while is we'recreating a peloton or orange
theory for your brain, and so weare working on a location to
basically open up a facilitywhere we're going to do breath,
dance, meditation all the thingsthat we're doing, but measured
(49:02):
with technology.
And so imagine, like a Pelotonbike, right when you are cycling
from home.
So we will be recording fromthis centralized location, but
people wearing a device thatwill be able to tell us where we
are on a group, coherent level,but also on a personal level.
So you're going to have a reallife data and real life
neurofeedback that'spersonalized to you while you
(49:25):
are on a sessions, from whatevercity that we're in, and so my
goal is to revolutionizecompletely the way that we're
meditating and breathing.
There is no more guess work.
There is a direct, instanttechnology that will give you
feedback, and my goal is also tobring all the disbelievers to
this to understand that whatsomething so simple can do.
(49:46):
And because I come fromfranchising so I used to
franchise Orange Theory I wouldlove to eventually start
creating these facilities aroundthe world that people have
modern church or whatever wecall it, where you can come and
dance, where you can come andexperience, there's this whole
community of people that are inthis journey through
self-transformation.
So this is my kind of a bigthing that, especially the next
(50:10):
year, we will be releasing, andalso a book.
I'll have a book ontransformation and putting this
into a paper, wow, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, sign me up, I want to come to this.
Yeah, breathwork Church.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Or maybe buy one of your franchises.
So yeah, pavel, I know you're avery popular podcast guest, so
I want to.
For me, it's I don't likeservice level podcasts Like.
For me I'm on a mission tounify the world one person at a
time, and it's really how we'regoing to reflect that and how
we're going to take the wallsthat we are putting, the
separation between us, becausewe're all on the same journey.
(50:58):
Right, whatever you're doing,we're doing where none of us are
higher, lower, bigger, smaller.
So it's like any deep questionthat will tackle that is
important for me.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Hopefully we've gone there, yeah, I think we have a
little yeah.
I think we did go on there.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay, good stuff.
Where do people find you then,Pavel?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
It's noaaoncom.
No-a-a-o n is our website.
We'll send also, if you guyswant the link, free library, so
you can test out all that wetalked about.
You actually can have it fromhome, which I like to take
people straight to action.
No more waiting for anything.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Fantastic, yeah yeah, we'll put that in the show
notes for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Yeah, and then the social media or however else you
like to connect.
We're here on our website youcan find the events.
So if it's anything near you, Iknow in.
We're constantly in europe, inus, asia, south america, so it's
there's every three months.
We switch the different regionsand we teach on every continent
besides antarctica, which I'mputting out there because I
(52:05):
would love to do one there yeahgood luck with that fantastic
yeah sounds.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
It sounds chilly, but probably better than the 10
days in the dark.
Cold exposure, free coldexposure.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You don't have to pay for any ice nice immersion, yes
, with penguins exactly.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Thanks so much for giving the time today, pavel.
It's been fascinating to talkto you, yeah thanks a lot.
Thank you, guys, thank you forwhat you do.
Right back at you.
Yeah, best of luck for what'snext.
Yeah.
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