January 6, 2025 • 31 mins
Ever found yourself grappling with imposter syndrome while striving to balance expertise and humility? You're not alone. Join us as we wrap up our wellness podcast series, sharing the heartfelt highs and reflective lows of our journey. From the very first spark of an idea to achieving a milestone of 44 episodes, we've faced challenges, embraced growth, and forged connections with incredible guests who have expanded our understanding of wellness in mind, body, and spirit. This episode is a celebration of shared accomplishments, the joy of collaboration, and a look forward to exciting new opportunities on the horizon.
Discover the evolving world of breathwork as we discuss our roles in education, the significance of trauma awareness, and the strides being made in raising training standards. Reflecting on the art of podcasting, we'll share insights on engaging respectfully yet critically with guests, balancing candid discourse while maintaining integrity. As we transition to new endeavors like the Momentum program, co-hosting Runga Radio, and participating in the Health Optimization Summit, we express deep gratitude for the community that has supported us. Join us for this final chapter, filled with stories, insights, and a heartfelt thank you to all who have been part of our transformative journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
Hello and welcome to a very special episode of
Laughing Through the PainNavigating Wellness Special,
because it's the last one we'reever going to do, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, it is.
This is our closing episode andit's it's emotional.
You know I've handy and I'vebeen sharing emotional tears.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Uh, no, not really it's been a little bit emotional
, but the tears were just meputting in some eye drops yeah,
I think I've um had like a lotto reflect on the last week
about what our aims were settingout and whether we've kind of
achieved those, and I reallygenuinely believe that we have.
In terms of meeting someincredible people doing great
work, I've learned so much.
(02:32):
I think we've covered head totoe rich.
Do you know what I mean?
Like from vivo, barefoot, allthe way up.
We've had chiropractors withthe holistic coaches all the way
up to um the psyche.
I feel like we've reallycovered it all.
And, yeah, dietitiansdietitians?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
yes, it is.
The attempt was make it aholistic podcast, holistic
understanding to include mind,body and spirit and yes, I think
our goals to start this outwhen we did start at the
beginning of the year was well,let's get past 20 episodes.
That was definitely uh, wewanted to be in the top 90 I
(03:12):
think only 10 of podcasts get to20 episodes and then only like
10 of those get to.
I don't know another 20.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So this will be our 44th episode, so we've nailed it
yeah, I think, no, I think, andfrom my point of view, that we
had probably slightly differentum aims coming in, that I'm very
much a novice.
I wanted to learn and I wantedto kind of explore other avenues
to improve health.
I suppose, to put it succinctly, and I think you're gonna, you
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know you, you want to become aand already are a voice in
wellness, and I loveregeneration voice for generally
, just like any other, just likeany else.
Yeah, and I like the fact thatthose kind of work concurrently
during the podcast in terms ofthey're not like mutually
exclusive.
We were able to kind of achieveour respective aims and we'll
come on to it a bit later, but Ithink you're going to push on
(04:03):
in this space massively and I'lllook back and be the guy who
launched you In a way, yes,launched me into the
stratosphere, not the PhD, it'sjust hanging out with me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean definitely.
Yeah, it's a factor.
Yeah, I couldn't have done thiswithout you.
Yeah, I wanted to startsomething for a long time start
a podcast.
You know, people would say youknow, when are you going to do
your podcast, when are you goingto start doing stuff, and I
just never felt I could do it onmy own.
So I'm very grateful for yoursupport, andy um, throughout
this and, yeah, I really don'tthink I would have been able to
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done 44 episodes, or even oneepisode, without you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it's been great and I think at the start I felt
definitely like that impostersyndrome you know of like shit,
what do I know about wellness?
But then I think I kind of grewinto it and felt more like well
, actually, you know, sometimesyou're not going to be an expert
on a topic, and certainly someof our listeners aren't going to
be, and there's some sort ofcertainly some of our guests
weren't we're not going to namenames, but I think like there's
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a certain like there's a it'svery listen.
I think it's very easy to listento someone who's actually just
humble and you know there's acertain humility about yeah, I
don't know the answer to that.
Why would I know the answer tothat, you know?
Why would I understand whichpart of the brain is stimulated
when this particular thinghappens?
I'm a chartered savannah, livein london, you know.
So I think it's been um yeah,it's been really, it's really
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fascinating yeah, you'redefinitely the most humble part
of the show if there was anaward for humility we should
have done an end of season awardof wars, and the humility award
goes to wow the award forthinking he's right in every
conversation goes to andy, youwish, but yeah, I think we
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should look over a couple ofhighlights, I mean any episodes
that particularly stand out foryou.
If someone yeah, I'd like tolisten to your podcast.
Which episode should I listento?
What would you kind of easethem in with?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
well, I'm going to give a shout out to um one of my
uh well, two, two of my friendsreally james dowler, one of our
first guests, big time breathworker and now you know, union
expert, james dowler.
That definitely got us a lot oftraction.
He said some nice controversialthings about the breathwork
being a wild west and thatgenerated a lot of eyes with
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Instagram and I know he's alistener.
I hope he's listening now tosee how we're grateful for his
input there.
What did you think about, james?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, really amazing, and it was.
I think he was obviously ourfirst guest, so it's a bit of an
unknown.
I had actually met him before,though I doubt he would remember
.
I think I went to one of hisbreathwork sessions, but yeah,
it's quite a.
It was an unknown in terms ofthe dynamic, wasn't it?
I mean, you know himparticularly well, but he
doesn't know me.
How are we going to gel?
What are we going to talk about?
And also, we asked him yeah, weasked him to be a bit
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controversial and put his neckon the line for us and generate
some conversations out of that,and he was definitely very
obliging and I'm not surprisedhe's got such a big following.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and it's not.
Only was he just controversialfor the sake of being
controversial.
I think that was a part of thismovement in breathwork to
mature the industry, to regulatethe industry.
There are lots of conversationsnow of the ukba uk breathwork
association.
There's talk of otherassociations coming in in local
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levels, like the australianbreathwork association, uh,
trying to deal with this problemof the breathwork wild west and
james was one of the firstpeople to just call that out
publicly and, uh, it's leadingto positive action well, I also
wanted to shout out ryan parkfunnily enough.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I've heard his name come up again because I am an
ambassador for a um suicidecharity and they did a webinar
with him not long ago and Ithink he's becoming a real voice
in men's mental health and whatan important time to be that
and again sticking his neck outon the line a little bit in
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terms of poo-pooing some of thekind of common theories around,
particularly testosterone, andnot afraid to kind of say, hey,
look at these studies, maybewe've got this wrong and maybe
we need to kind of have arethink.
And yeah, again, I'm notsurprised he's getting so much
traction because he's just sogenuine and so knowledgeable and
authentic and I really enjoyedchatting to him, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, he invited me to this medication in mental
health summit that was put on byour other guest, jennyny rainer
, and I spoke at that.
The week before last.
I was followed by, um, uh,what's his name?
The head of the mankind project.
So I was warming up for him,sir, sir, something, I've
forgotten his name, but, yeah,he gave me a great platform to
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share about breath work and Iwas very flattered to be a part
of that.
Medication and men's mentalhealth.
It was the whole day was reallyabout men's mental health and
he shared in his talk, like whenhe first started talking about
his not his research, but hisscouring of the research around
testosterone and men's mentalhealth.
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He gave a talk somewhere and apsychologist, a psychotherapist,
like, came up to him afterwardslike you have no business
talking about mental health, youdon't know what you're talking
about.
You're just, you know, justjust a guy, and this woman was
just effectively gatekeeping.
You know she didn't wantsomeone who to rock the boat,
and this is a big problem withpsychotherapy is that, yeah,
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people are threatened by any newideas, and I have just read one
of the best books I've read ina while, called bad therapy, by
abigail shreer.
I think this is a must read foranyone in the therapeutic realm
, or any teacher, anyone whodeals with children.
But it is all about how well.
I cite it in my ph PhDconclusion as more people get
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into therapy, mental health getsworse.
That's not the case with cancerand heart disease treatments.
When people get treated forcancer and heart disease, they
recover.
But as more and more people aregoing to therapy, they're
getting worse.
And I think a lot of that isbecause a lot of people who go
into therapy don't need therapy.
They just need, you know, someof the things that ryan
prescribes.
You know exercise, communitytime and nature, those types of
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things.
And just focusing on people'semotions when they're anxious
actually dysregulates them andturns them into little
narcissists.
And obviously that's in theextreme case.
A lot of people do have betteroutcomes in therapy.
But this is another problemwith therapy.
It's like we don't reallymeasure the outcomes that much.
We just go okay, this person'sdone six sessions of therapy.
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Are they better?
No, they'll keep doing therapy,are they?
Then they stop doing therapyand then you know, no one really
follows up with him.
It's like, well, did we, did weheal your issue?
Did you cure that thing.
So yeah, um ryan park is doinggood stuff yeah, well, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Going back to the therapy point, I think, being
frank, when I came into the umthe you know, starting this
podcast, I thought I'll keep anopen mind about therapy.
But even if you are prepared tosay that therapy is 100
effective all the time, we'renot at that stage where we can
offer everyone therapy.
So even if that's the best casescenario, you still need
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alternatives.
Hence needing people doinggreat work in wellness and
mental health and you mentionedJenny Rainer there as well.
I mean that just kind oftouched in me the common theme
of people being so brave andconfronting some of their issues
and some of their past traumasjust unbelievable strength to
sort of not only revisit thatbut try and grow something out
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of that is just mind-blowing.
And so many of our guests hadbeen through similar things and
been through their own strugglesand out of those struggles,
were prepared to dedicate theirlives to bettering themselves
and bettering their communities.
I just think that is absolutelywonderful and quite much
talking about it.
But yeah, that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Totes of mosh, yeah and and uh other guests I'm
thinking of, or the others two Iparticularly want to mention um
, and it kind of leads on towhat's next for us.
So alan dolan, the breath guruoof brilliant big heavy hitter
on, uh, on the roster, uh.
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So alan is obviously a breathworker and alan is a teacher
trainer.
That is, uh, his.
His main thing is he's been inthe industry for a long time now
and he's been teachingbreathwork in his particular
style for the last few years andhe and my wife, natalia,
trainee psychotherapist andbreathworker Another guest,
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natalia Blake Gorgeous yeah,voice of a generation.
Yeah, she and he are upgradingtheir training.
So this is part of what JamesDowler said and Jamie Clements
have said Jamie Clements,another guest of ours.
The breathwork industry needs toraise its standards and one of
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those standards is teachertraining.
End teacher training, how it'sjust not enough.
How people say you know, breathworkers start talking about
trauma when they have no ideawhat trauma is and how to
regulate it, and how it's notnecessarily the root cause of
absolutely everything.
So Alan's training was alreadyone of the more robust and
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thorough, but it's beingimproved.
It's going from six months to12 months, including some
supervision.
That's something we've learnedfrom the psychotherapy
institutions is that you need tosupervise your graduates
because, yeah, they are raw Evenafter their training.
They still need supervision.
And Alan is looking toincorporate some of the science.
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And that's where I come in withmy PhD.
I'll be teaching the science ofbreathwork, of conscious,
connected breathwork and more ofthe science.
And that's where I come in withmy phd.
I'll be teaching the science ofbreath work, of conscious,
connected breath work, and moreof the physiology, more of the
functional breathing.
You know what is oxygenperfusion, what is the boar
effect, those types of thingsI'm not going to tell you now
because you just do the courseyeah, well, that's the other
interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I was thinking about the impact and getting messages
from other people and saying youknow what they like about our
podcast and what they've learned, and another of our guests,
which I won't mention, isactually going to be doing that,
training from alan dolan.
So I like how this kind ofcommunity kind of just
interweaves and, um, yeah, Ithought it's a really nice
outcome that you will beeffectively teaching another one
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of our guests who, to be honest, has not got a lot to do with
breath work but just was reallycompelled by, um, both your work
and alan's work, to, uh, yeah,sign up to a what is quite a big
commitment.
Um, yeah, me five.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So it is yeah, and what I would say is, not
everyone who signs up to alan'straining wants to go on and be a
full-time breath worker.
And this is why alan's training, I think, is so good is because
he only takes on a smallhandful of people at a time.
It's more of a mentorship.
He takes on between four andsix people at a time, whereas
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you go to other breathworktraining schools and maybe you
have no contact with the founder.
You know, like there are onlinetrainings where you're just,
you know, just learning stufffrom an old video, or you go and
there's like 60 participantsthere and, yeah, maybe you get a
bit of input from from thefounder, but not, they're not
really developing people.
(15:35):
And this is a big thing.
Why breathwork is such a wildwest is because it's so easy to
become a breath worker.
It's like there's no vetting,there's no checks and balances,
there's no filtering out of thepeople that just maybe they
don't have the integrity, maybethey don't have the subtleties
to work with people in theselike extreme emotional states.
Alan really is developingpeople, he's mentoring people
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and it's like you know, it'slike a year-long mentorship and
like self-development program,which I think is wonderful yeah,
I mean, um, I think you'reabsolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I wanted to also ask you.
I mean, maybe I'll go first butlike in terms of challenges of
doing the podcast and maybe like, yeah, reflections of maybe
some of the stuff that wasn't soeasy and I'll go first.
But basically I was told thatwe need to be harder on the
guests and we need to challengethem more.
I think and I think youmentioned in an earlier episode
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that a lot of podcast hosts getaccused of being, you know,
overly nice or overly easy onguests.
But I think it's reallydifficult to ask someone for
their time and sometimes, youknow it's it's a big ask, and
sometimes we haven't met them.
And then they come on the, onour show, and then we're like
unnecessarily critical of them,and the second part of that is
often they're complete expertsin their field.
(16:53):
So who am I to challengesomeone who's giving me a fact
on, let's say, I don't know,sleep or hypnosis?
I don't.
You know, I'm not the person tochallenge them and I think if
you feel like something that wassaid was, you know it doesn't
sit well with you, that's agreat platform for for you to go
and do your own research.
(17:13):
Yeah, I don't think we'reendorsing anyone by having them
on to give their views yeah,it's a real fine balance.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
There is that term civility porn, where podcasters
and their guests are just likejust showing off how civil they
can be about their arguments.
But we didn't really do toomany arguments and I think one
of the lessons we did learn waslike if we're going to have
someone on and we already knowwe want to challenge them, we
send them those challengingthings and we ask permission can
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we challenge you on this?
Can we have a bit of a debate?
And everyone said yes.
Everyone was like yeah, I'mdefinitely up for debating that,
I'm definitely up for beingchallenged.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But I think at the start of the podcast maybe we
just challenge people bysurprise and it just became
awkward yeah, there were somelong pauses sometimes and I was
like we need to edit that outlike a minute yeah pause, while
someone considers it's a bitlike the man united midfield.
I'm the pool skull was justlike giving everyone the stuff
they want and you're the roykeen just coming in and just
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scything people down, sometimesbig time big time.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I like that.
I'd love to be mr roy key.
I guess royane sort of carriedthat on into his punditry career
as well just scything peopledown with his comments, people
who say you're a nice guy, butyou're not a nice guy.
Who did he say that to?
Was it like Jamie Redknapp orsomething?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh, that's it yeah, someone had Roy Keane as a
spirit animal, didn't they?
Was it Matt?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Oh, had roy keenan, the spirit animal, didn't they?
Was it matt?
Oh, yes, yeah, uh, no, it waswhat's his name?
The masculinity person?
Uh, I can't remember his nameright now, but yeah, that's,
that's a great answer spiritanimal yeah, other things I've
learned is being in the us onpacific time, eight hours behind
the uk, and then schedulingpeople for 8 am and then waking
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up early to an alarm and thenthey cancel annoys me.
I've learned that it annoys mewho knew?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
who knew that was annoying, who loves their sleep,
getting up early and then beingcancelled on the day yeah,
we've had some epic excuses,though we won't go through them.
The greatest ever episode um ofa podcast ever that was recorded
in sedona, of course, oh yeah,and then it failed to upload,
yeah we've made a beautiful hikein the most incredible
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conditions and if you haven'tbeen to sedona in arizona, the
state of arizona, north ofphoenix, you absolutely should
go.
It's beautiful and if you'respiritual af, like our friend dr
richard l blake, you woulddefinitely love it.
But anyway, we delayed a hikeand natalia, richard's lovely
wife, was waiting for us so thatwe could record an episode that
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then completely failed toupload.
So that was a bit of anannoyance, I have to say yeah,
it was like the tenacious d songthis is not the greatest
podcast in the world.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
This is a tribute to the greatest podcast ever
recorded.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah I totally agree um.
Another person I'd like tohighlight actually just flitting
around a little bit who got alot of love from um the people I
send the podcast to in terms oftexting me, was um natalie.
I would get her same onHimmelrich.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yes, natalie Himmelrich yes.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like, yeah, extremely calming, extremely truthful and
just an amazing way of lookingat someone who's dealing with
grief, trauma, difficult time.
Just being present and the artof being present and I thought
it was just such a nice way oflooking at things, especially
when you know more increasingnumber of people are going
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through mental health challengesjust the art of just sitting
with those people in thosemoments, um, I just thought was
such a lovely, you know theory,you know lovely concept yes,
natalie is someone who's had abig impact on my life.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know, I met her when I was training as a
holistic counselor she wasfellow trainee and you know a
lot of people throw around theword like presence.
Oh, you know just, you know theart of being.
You know, as a therapist, it'sabout your presence and what
you're resonating, and it isn'ta kind of an intangible thing.
There is this thing calledfield theory.
You create a field in therapybetween you and your client and
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that field does the work.
And natalie certainly creates afield, unlike many I've
experienced just of justcomplete acceptance and and
empathy and warmth and uh, just,yeah, she, she's so well
regulated herself she canregulate those around you.
And as I think about it, Ithink about like I feel in my
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chest just this like warmsensation of what it's like to
be in her presence yeah, I feltlike I was just so emotional
throughout the entire episodeand I couldn't quite put my
finger on why.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But no incredible guests really really grateful to
her.
Um, I loved.
You know the moments where youdon't quite know what you're
going to get.
Sorry, central london stand,yeah police.
I think there was, yeah um,yeah, so just I like the moments
where you didn't quite knowwhat you were going to get on an
episode.
I think it's just reallyinteresting to see where people
go in their conversations andwhat comes up for for us as
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hosts as well as as the guestsyes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Our lack of planning was really our advantage, there
wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
well, I do think there's a certain element that's
.
Like you know, we we didobviously have have um prompted
questions and I think.
But I think some of the bestconversations we had were
unprompted, to be fair, and ifwe are getting to know someone
on the podcast then obviously,by extension, so are our
audience.
So I thought that was quitethat, was quite nice and in a
way it's just seeing where thethe conversation went.
(22:54):
Yes, indeed.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, andy, what's next for you?
Obviously, chartered surveying.
And yeah, how is the scriptswriting going?
Are the competitions?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
you don't know this um, no one knows this I got to
the final.
This uh script writingcompetition shout out to stowe
story labs.
It's an unbelievable thing forme.
I, there were 2 000 scripts andwe're in the final 20.
So the winner gets a 50 000cash prize pretty, pretty tidy.
(23:28):
Obviously that's to make thefilm, that's not just to go
around the world or whatever,but, um, it feels unbelievable
like in terms of obviously I youknow, my challenge to myself is
to validate myself as a scriptwriter and that's obviously
quite difficult to do sometimes.
I've not got any training, butI think I write good dialogue.
But just getting thatvalidation just feels absolutely
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incredible.
I'm not allowed to tell anyoneI'm in the final, but by the
time this airs it will beofficial and yeah, I mean one
winner out of 20.
It already feels like I've won.
To be honest, I couldn't haveimagined getting this far, so I
just want to kick on and keepwriting scripts and, yeah, keep
my theme going of likehopefulness.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
There's usually an angle of mental health and
hopefully a bit of humor inthere as well do you want to
tell us a little bit about thisscript and when it comes out in
the cinemas, people will know.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, to look out for it true, yeah, so
we're going to make it anyway.
So I mean, obviously 50,000 inthe US would be incredible, but
even if we don't get that, we'regoing to make it in the spring
next year.
It's kind of, I guess, inspiredby a film that Ricky Gervais
wrote which is on BBC iPlayer.
I'm not sure how our Americanfriends can access it, but it's
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called Seven Minutes.
American friends can access it,but it's called Seven Minutes,
and essentially the plot isabout two people who come out
onto a railway line to taketheir own lives and they
obviously meet each other and Iwon't tell you the rest of it,
but it's kind of like a reallyreally interesting, simple
concept.
But it's kind of quitechallenging because it's like
they're both at their lowest butthen they meet each other and
they kind of strike up asemi-friendship.
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So I kind of it's a variationon the theme of that, I suppose.
But we, um, it's about a guy whois stuck in a children's tube
slide, so in an adventureplayground, and he's found by
someone who's on his way to hisbest friend's funeral.
So there's a kind of absurdityof this grown man being stuck in
a slide and this guy who'shaving the most difficult day of
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his life, black suit has tokind of navigate this adventure
playground to get this guy outof the tube slide.
So that is the basic premiseand, yeah, hopefully it's quite
heartwarming and it's just anice little little tale of human
kindness, I guess.
Excellent me mate.
Yeah, what's next for you?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
excellent me mate.
Yeah, what's next for you?
Well, linking in to anotherguest, special guest, one of the
best guests ever joseph and you.
He and I are in businesstogether so he created this
company called runga you canfind it rungaco, r-u-n-g-a, and
he does biohacking, he doesretreats, and him and I are
creating this flagship 12-weekprogram.
(26:10):
It's called momentum and it isgoing to be about holistic
health.
It's going to be a 12-weekrecorded program but with, uh,
live sessions of breath workwith me, conscious, connected
breathing based on the fabulousresults we had from the
randomized control trial I didfor my phd.
(26:32):
And in those 12 weeks people aregoing to learn, obviously,
about breath work.
There'll be a lot of breathwork in there.
Joseph's done a ted talk onbreath work, so he's a he knows
this stuff.
But also kettlebells.
Joseph is a kettlebellcertified person.
You know he has his degree inexercise science.
He's worked with a lot ofathletes.
Also got nutrition in there.
So biohacking nutrition willexplain about different diets,
(26:55):
the benefits of keto versuscarnival, what the best brands
are, what's the problem withseed oils, those types of things
which, where to get your water,how to filter your water, what
kind of water bottles to avoidas well.
We kind of have a sprinkling ofspirituality.
Runga is a kind of a spiritualword and, as many research
(27:15):
studies have shown, consciousconnected breath work does often
elicit these mysticalexperiences.
So we will be kind ofintroducing people to a little
bit of spirituality, a littlebit of those mystical type
experiences.
And yeah, for people who aremaybe on the fence about
spirituality, they're not reallyreligiously aligned, or if they
(27:38):
are religiously aligned andthey want to try a, um, yeah, a
different type of mysticism,that's going to be in there
subtly as well.
So it's going to be aboutpurpose as well and 12 weeks you
know you can do a lot in 12weeks and, yes, that's going to
be the main product amazing mateand you're moving to austin
texas, is that correct?
(27:59):
I will be moving to austin texas.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, at some point and joe rogan and those other
people in austin texas yeah,maybe.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Um, I'll definitely be going to the comedy
mothership.
Joe rogan's comedy club beenonce before very good, but uh,
yeah, another thing about rungais they have a podcast.
I've been on it.
It was called the intuitive.
It is being changed to RungaRadio and I will be co-hosting
Runga Radio with Joseph.
(28:32):
So if you like laughing throughthe pain, navigating wellness,
and you want more of it, go toRunga Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Imagine laughing through the pain with an even
better co-host.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That's what you're gonna get no, with a exactly the
same caliber of co-hostdiplomatic well done rich yes
indeed, and I'll be coming overto austin to see you.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'm still going to come to the health optimization
yes, the health optimizationsummit.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I may be speaking there.
I'm in conversations with themabout, uh, maybe me doing a
speaking of it.
Well, we'll see what.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh, it would be great to have you in the audience
there yeah, and we can stillaccess your breathwork services
separately to all things.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Runga right?
Absolutely.
Yes, I'm available for onlinebreathwork and, as we know from
the science, online breathworkis very effective.
And my paper is actuallyundergoing peer review.
It's been accepted by NatureScientific Reports.
It's been accepted for for peerreview, so it doesn't mean it's
(29:44):
been accepted for publishing.
It means yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
10 10, yeah, 10 reviewers what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
it means 10 people, 10 other phds, are going to be
looking at it like booing iteffectively.
So yeah, we'll see if I make itthrough that.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Um, yeah, that process well, all that remains
is to say thank you very much toour audience for being um epic
listeners and for engaging withus.
I've really enjoyed that andI've loved the challenges as
well.
You know, in terms of you needto be harder on your guests, or
I don't agree with that.
I think it's all good stuff.
It's all nice to encourage thedebate and also thank you to you
(30:21):
, mate.
I really appreciate it.
You were definitely the drivingforce behind it and you've
taught me so much and I reallyappreciate your friendship and I
really appreciate yourdedication to this field and I
will be there in some capacity,albeit a watered down capacity,
every step of the way oh, thankyou, mate.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
mate, I appreciate that.
That's heartwarming.
Thank you for being supportivein all ways and for showing up
and being on time and addingyour sense of humour and
curiosity and an openness toeverything and all of our guests
.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, you'll be pleased to know Rich and I will
remain exceptionally goodfriends offline, but yeah, thank
you so much to everyone who'sever listened to an episode, and
over and out Cheers.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
Hello and welcome to a very special episode of
Laughing Through the PainNavigating Wellness Special,
because it's the last one we'reever going to do, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, it is.
This is our closing episode andit's it's emotional.
You know I've handy and I'vebeen sharing emotional tears.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Uh, no, not really it's been a little bit emotional
, but the tears were just meputting in some eye drops yeah,
I think I've um had like a lotto reflect on the last week
about what our aims were settingout and whether we've kind of
achieved those, and I reallygenuinely believe that we have.
In terms of meeting someincredible people doing great
work, I've learned so much.
(02:32):
I think we've covered head totoe rich.
Do you know what I mean?
Like from vivo, barefoot, allthe way up.
We've had chiropractors withthe holistic coaches all the way
up to um the psyche.
I feel like we've reallycovered it all.
And, yeah, dietitiansdietitians?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
yes, it is.
The attempt was make it aholistic podcast, holistic
understanding to include mind,body and spirit and yes, I think
our goals to start this outwhen we did start at the
beginning of the year was well,let's get past 20 episodes.
That was definitely uh, wewanted to be in the top 90 I
(03:12):
think only 10 of podcasts get to20 episodes and then only like
10 of those get to.
I don't know another 20.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So this will be our 44th episode, so we've nailed it
yeah, I think, no, I think, andfrom my point of view, that we
had probably slightly differentum aims coming in, that I'm very
much a novice.
I wanted to learn and I wantedto kind of explore other avenues
to improve health.
I suppose, to put it succinctly, and I think you're gonna, you
(03:42):
know you, you want to become aand already are a voice in
wellness, and I loveregeneration voice for generally
, just like any other, just likeany else.
Yeah, and I like the fact thatthose kind of work concurrently
during the podcast in terms ofthey're not like mutually
exclusive.
We were able to kind of achieveour respective aims and we'll
come on to it a bit later, but Ithink you're going to push on
(04:03):
in this space massively and I'lllook back and be the guy who
launched you In a way, yes,launched me into the
stratosphere, not the PhD, it'sjust hanging out with me, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I mean definitely.
Yeah, it's a factor.
Yeah, I couldn't have done thiswithout you.
Yeah, I wanted to startsomething for a long time start
a podcast.
You know, people would say youknow, when are you going to do
your podcast, when are you goingto start doing stuff, and I
just never felt I could do it onmy own.
So I'm very grateful for yoursupport, andy um, throughout
this and, yeah, I really don'tthink I would have been able to
(04:42):
done 44 episodes, or even oneepisode, without you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it's been great and I think at the start I felt
definitely like that impostersyndrome you know of like shit,
what do I know about wellness?
But then I think I kind of grewinto it and felt more like well
, actually, you know, sometimesyou're not going to be an expert
on a topic, and certainly someof our listeners aren't going to
be, and there's some sort ofcertainly some of our guests
weren't we're not going to namenames, but I think like there's
(05:13):
a certain like there's a it'svery listen.
I think it's very easy to listento someone who's actually just
humble and you know there's acertain humility about yeah, I
don't know the answer to that.
Why would I know the answer tothat, you know?
Why would I understand whichpart of the brain is stimulated
when this particular thinghappens?
I'm a chartered savannah, livein london, you know.
So I think it's been um yeah,it's been really, it's really
(05:35):
fascinating yeah, you'redefinitely the most humble part
of the show if there was anaward for humility we should
have done an end of season awardof wars, and the humility award
goes to wow the award forthinking he's right in every
conversation goes to andy, youwish, but yeah, I think we
(05:57):
should look over a couple ofhighlights, I mean any episodes
that particularly stand out foryou.
If someone yeah, I'd like tolisten to your podcast.
Which episode should I listento?
What would you kind of easethem in with?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
well, I'm going to give a shout out to um one of my
uh well, two, two of my friendsreally james dowler, one of our
first guests, big time breathworker and now you know, union
expert, james dowler.
That definitely got us a lot oftraction.
He said some nice controversialthings about the breathwork
being a wild west and thatgenerated a lot of eyes with
(06:32):
Instagram and I know he's alistener.
I hope he's listening now tosee how we're grateful for his
input there.
What did you think about, james?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, really amazing, and it was.
I think he was obviously ourfirst guest, so it's a bit of an
unknown.
I had actually met him before,though I doubt he would remember
.
I think I went to one of hisbreathwork sessions, but yeah,
it's quite a.
It was an unknown in terms ofthe dynamic, wasn't it?
I mean, you know himparticularly well, but he
doesn't know me.
How are we going to gel?
What are we going to talk about?
And also, we asked him yeah, weasked him to be a bit
(07:02):
controversial and put his neckon the line for us and generate
some conversations out of that,and he was definitely very
obliging and I'm not surprisedhe's got such a big following.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, and it's not.
Only was he just controversialfor the sake of being
controversial.
I think that was a part of thismovement in breathwork to
mature the industry, to regulatethe industry.
There are lots of conversationsnow of the ukba uk breathwork
association.
There's talk of otherassociations coming in in local
(07:35):
levels, like the australianbreathwork association, uh,
trying to deal with this problemof the breathwork wild west and
james was one of the firstpeople to just call that out
publicly and, uh, it's leadingto positive action well, I also
wanted to shout out ryan parkfunnily enough.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I've heard his name come up again because I am an
ambassador for a um suicidecharity and they did a webinar
with him not long ago and Ithink he's becoming a real voice
in men's mental health and whatan important time to be that
and again sticking his neck outon the line a little bit in
(08:15):
terms of poo-pooing some of thekind of common theories around,
particularly testosterone, andnot afraid to kind of say, hey,
look at these studies, maybewe've got this wrong and maybe
we need to kind of have arethink.
And yeah, again, I'm notsurprised he's getting so much
traction because he's just sogenuine and so knowledgeable and
authentic and I really enjoyedchatting to him, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, he invited me to this medication in mental
health summit that was put on byour other guest, jennyny rainer
, and I spoke at that.
The week before last.
I was followed by, um, uh,what's his name?
The head of the mankind project.
So I was warming up for him,sir, sir, something, I've
forgotten his name, but, yeah,he gave me a great platform to
(08:59):
share about breath work and Iwas very flattered to be a part
of that.
Medication and men's mentalhealth.
It was the whole day was reallyabout men's mental health and
he shared in his talk, like whenhe first started talking about
his not his research, but hisscouring of the research around
testosterone and men's mentalhealth.
(09:20):
He gave a talk somewhere and apsychologist, a psychotherapist,
like, came up to him afterwardslike you have no business
talking about mental health, youdon't know what you're talking
about.
You're just, you know, justjust a guy, and this woman was
just effectively gatekeeping.
You know she didn't wantsomeone who to rock the boat,
and this is a big problem withpsychotherapy is that, yeah,
(09:43):
people are threatened by any newideas, and I have just read one
of the best books I've read ina while, called bad therapy, by
abigail shreer.
I think this is a must read foranyone in the therapeutic realm
, or any teacher, anyone whodeals with children.
But it is all about how well.
I cite it in my ph PhDconclusion as more people get
(10:06):
into therapy, mental health getsworse.
That's not the case with cancerand heart disease treatments.
When people get treated forcancer and heart disease, they
recover.
But as more and more people aregoing to therapy, they're
getting worse.
And I think a lot of that isbecause a lot of people who go
into therapy don't need therapy.
They just need, you know, someof the things that ryan
prescribes.
You know exercise, communitytime and nature, those types of
(10:29):
things.
And just focusing on people'semotions when they're anxious
actually dysregulates them andturns them into little
narcissists.
And obviously that's in theextreme case.
A lot of people do have betteroutcomes in therapy.
But this is another problemwith therapy.
It's like we don't reallymeasure the outcomes that much.
We just go okay, this person'sdone six sessions of therapy.
(10:51):
Are they better?
No, they'll keep doing therapy,are they?
Then they stop doing therapyand then you know, no one really
follows up with him.
It's like, well, did we, did weheal your issue?
Did you cure that thing.
So yeah, um ryan park is doinggood stuff yeah, well, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Going back to the therapy point, I think, being
frank, when I came into the umthe you know, starting this
podcast, I thought I'll keep anopen mind about therapy.
But even if you are prepared tosay that therapy is 100
effective all the time, we'renot at that stage where we can
offer everyone therapy.
So even if that's the best casescenario, you still need
(11:29):
alternatives.
Hence needing people doinggreat work in wellness and
mental health and you mentionedJenny Rainer there as well.
I mean that just kind oftouched in me the common theme
of people being so brave andconfronting some of their issues
and some of their past traumasjust unbelievable strength to
sort of not only revisit thatbut try and grow something out
(11:50):
of that is just mind-blowing.
And so many of our guests hadbeen through similar things and
been through their own strugglesand out of those struggles,
were prepared to dedicate theirlives to bettering themselves
and bettering their communities.
I just think that is absolutelywonderful and quite much
talking about it.
But yeah, that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Totes of mosh, yeah and and uh other guests I'm
thinking of, or the others two Iparticularly want to mention um
, and it kind of leads on towhat's next for us.
So alan dolan, the breath guruoof brilliant big heavy hitter
on, uh, on the roster, uh.
(12:31):
So alan is obviously a breathworker and alan is a teacher
trainer.
That is, uh, his.
His main thing is he's been inthe industry for a long time now
and he's been teachingbreathwork in his particular
style for the last few years andhe and my wife, natalia,
trainee psychotherapist andbreathworker Another guest,
(12:53):
natalia Blake Gorgeous yeah,voice of a generation.
Yeah, she and he are upgradingtheir training.
So this is part of what JamesDowler said and Jamie Clements
have said Jamie Clements,another guest of ours.
The breathwork industry needs toraise its standards and one of
(13:14):
those standards is teachertraining.
End teacher training, how it'sjust not enough.
How people say you know, breathworkers start talking about
trauma when they have no ideawhat trauma is and how to
regulate it, and how it's notnecessarily the root cause of
absolutely everything.
So Alan's training was alreadyone of the more robust and
(13:37):
thorough, but it's beingimproved.
It's going from six months to12 months, including some
supervision.
That's something we've learnedfrom the psychotherapy
institutions is that you need tosupervise your graduates
because, yeah, they are raw Evenafter their training.
They still need supervision.
And Alan is looking toincorporate some of the science.
(13:59):
And that's where I come in withmy PhD.
I'll be teaching the science ofbreathwork, of conscious,
connected breathwork and more ofthe science.
And that's where I come in withmy phd.
I'll be teaching the science ofbreath work, of conscious,
connected breath work, and moreof the physiology, more of the
functional breathing.
You know what is oxygenperfusion, what is the boar
effect, those types of thingsI'm not going to tell you now
because you just do the courseyeah, well, that's the other
interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I was thinking about the impact and getting messages
from other people and saying youknow what they like about our
podcast and what they've learned, and another of our guests,
which I won't mention, isactually going to be doing that,
training from alan dolan.
So I like how this kind ofcommunity kind of just
interweaves and, um, yeah, Ithought it's a really nice
outcome that you will beeffectively teaching another one
(14:39):
of our guests who, to be honest, has not got a lot to do with
breath work but just was reallycompelled by, um, both your work
and alan's work, to, uh, yeah,sign up to a what is quite a big
commitment.
Um, yeah, me five.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So it is yeah, and what I would say is, not
everyone who signs up to alan'straining wants to go on and be a
full-time breath worker.
And this is why alan's training, I think, is so good is because
he only takes on a smallhandful of people at a time.
It's more of a mentorship.
He takes on between four andsix people at a time, whereas
(15:14):
you go to other breathworktraining schools and maybe you
have no contact with the founder.
You know, like there are onlinetrainings where you're just,
you know, just learning stufffrom an old video, or you go and
there's like 60 participantsthere and, yeah, maybe you get a
bit of input from from thefounder, but not, they're not
really developing people.
(15:35):
And this is a big thing.
Why breathwork is such a wildwest is because it's so easy to
become a breath worker.
It's like there's no vetting,there's no checks and balances,
there's no filtering out of thepeople that just maybe they
don't have the integrity, maybethey don't have the subtleties
to work with people in theselike extreme emotional states.
Alan really is developingpeople, he's mentoring people
(15:57):
and it's like you know, it'slike a year-long mentorship and
like self-development program,which I think is wonderful yeah,
I mean, um, I think you'reabsolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I wanted to also ask you.
I mean, maybe I'll go first butlike in terms of challenges of
doing the podcast and maybe like, yeah, reflections of maybe
some of the stuff that wasn't soeasy and I'll go first.
But basically I was told thatwe need to be harder on the
guests and we need to challengethem more.
I think and I think youmentioned in an earlier episode
(16:31):
that a lot of podcast hosts getaccused of being, you know,
overly nice or overly easy onguests.
But I think it's reallydifficult to ask someone for
their time and sometimes, youknow it's it's a big ask, and
sometimes we haven't met them.
And then they come on the, onour show, and then we're like
unnecessarily critical of them,and the second part of that is
often they're complete expertsin their field.
(16:53):
So who am I to challengesomeone who's giving me a fact
on, let's say, I don't know,sleep or hypnosis?
I don't.
You know, I'm not the person tochallenge them and I think if
you feel like something that wassaid was, you know it doesn't
sit well with you, that's agreat platform for for you to go
and do your own research.
(17:13):
Yeah, I don't think we'reendorsing anyone by having them
on to give their views yeah,it's a real fine balance.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
There is that term civility porn, where podcasters
and their guests are just likejust showing off how civil they
can be about their arguments.
But we didn't really do toomany arguments and I think one
of the lessons we did learn waslike if we're going to have
someone on and we already knowwe want to challenge them, we
send them those challengingthings and we ask permission can
(17:45):
we challenge you on this?
Can we have a bit of a debate?
And everyone said yes.
Everyone was like yeah, I'mdefinitely up for debating that,
I'm definitely up for beingchallenged.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
But I think at the start of the podcast maybe we
just challenge people bysurprise and it just became
awkward yeah, there were somelong pauses sometimes and I was
like we need to edit that outlike a minute yeah pause, while
someone considers it's a bitlike the man united midfield.
I'm the pool skull was justlike giving everyone the stuff
they want and you're the roykeen just coming in and just
(18:16):
scything people down, sometimesbig time big time.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I like that.
I'd love to be mr roy key.
I guess royane sort of carriedthat on into his punditry career
as well just scything peopledown with his comments, people
who say you're a nice guy, butyou're not a nice guy.
Who did he say that to?
Was it like Jamie Redknapp orsomething?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh, that's it yeah, someone had Roy Keane as a
spirit animal, didn't they?
Was it Matt?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Oh, had roy keenan, the spirit animal, didn't they?
Was it matt?
Oh, yes, yeah, uh, no, it waswhat's his name?
The masculinity person?
Uh, I can't remember his nameright now, but yeah, that's,
that's a great answer spiritanimal yeah, other things I've
learned is being in the us onpacific time, eight hours behind
the uk, and then schedulingpeople for 8 am and then waking
(19:04):
up early to an alarm and thenthey cancel annoys me.
I've learned that it annoys mewho knew?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
who knew that was annoying, who loves their sleep,
getting up early and then beingcancelled on the day yeah,
we've had some epic excuses,though we won't go through them.
The greatest ever episode um ofa podcast ever that was recorded
in sedona, of course, oh yeah,and then it failed to upload,
yeah we've made a beautiful hikein the most incredible
(19:34):
conditions and if you haven'tbeen to sedona in arizona, the
state of arizona, north ofphoenix, you absolutely should
go.
It's beautiful and if you'respiritual af, like our friend dr
richard l blake, you woulddefinitely love it.
But anyway, we delayed a hikeand natalia, richard's lovely
wife, was waiting for us so thatwe could record an episode that
(19:55):
then completely failed toupload.
So that was a bit of anannoyance, I have to say yeah,
it was like the tenacious d songthis is not the greatest
podcast in the world.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
This is a tribute to the greatest podcast ever
recorded.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah I totally agree um.
Another person I'd like tohighlight actually just flitting
around a little bit who got alot of love from um the people I
send the podcast to in terms oftexting me, was um natalie.
I would get her same onHimmelrich.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yes, natalie Himmelrich yes.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like, yeah, extremely calming, extremely truthful and
just an amazing way of lookingat someone who's dealing with
grief, trauma, difficult time.
Just being present and the artof being present and I thought
it was just such a nice way oflooking at things, especially
when you know more increasingnumber of people are going
(20:49):
through mental health challengesjust the art of just sitting
with those people in thosemoments, um, I just thought was
such a lovely, you know theory,you know lovely concept yes,
natalie is someone who's had abig impact on my life.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know, I met her when I was training as a
holistic counselor she wasfellow trainee and you know a
lot of people throw around theword like presence.
Oh, you know just, you know theart of being.
You know, as a therapist, it'sabout your presence and what
you're resonating, and it isn'ta kind of an intangible thing.
There is this thing calledfield theory.
You create a field in therapybetween you and your client and
(21:30):
that field does the work.
And natalie certainly creates afield, unlike many I've
experienced just of justcomplete acceptance and and
empathy and warmth and uh, just,yeah, she, she's so well
regulated herself she canregulate those around you.
And as I think about it, Ithink about like I feel in my
(21:52):
chest just this like warmsensation of what it's like to
be in her presence yeah, I feltlike I was just so emotional
throughout the entire episodeand I couldn't quite put my
finger on why.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But no incredible guests really really grateful to
her.
Um, I loved.
You know the moments where youdon't quite know what you're
going to get.
Sorry, central london stand,yeah police.
I think there was, yeah um,yeah, so just I like the moments
where you didn't quite knowwhat you were going to get on an
episode.
I think it's just reallyinteresting to see where people
go in their conversations andwhat comes up for for us as
(22:24):
hosts as well as as the guestsyes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Our lack of planning was really our advantage, there
wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
well, I do think there's a certain element that's
.
Like you know, we we didobviously have have um prompted
questions and I think.
But I think some of the bestconversations we had were
unprompted, to be fair, and ifwe are getting to know someone
on the podcast then obviously,by extension, so are our
audience.
So I thought that was quitethat, was quite nice and in a
way it's just seeing where thethe conversation went.
(22:54):
Yes, indeed.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, andy, what's next for you?
Obviously, chartered surveying.
And yeah, how is the scriptswriting going?
Are the competitions?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
you don't know this um, no one knows this I got to
the final.
This uh script writingcompetition shout out to stowe
story labs.
It's an unbelievable thing forme.
I, there were 2 000 scripts andwe're in the final 20.
So the winner gets a 50 000cash prize pretty, pretty tidy.
(23:28):
Obviously that's to make thefilm, that's not just to go
around the world or whatever,but, um, it feels unbelievable
like in terms of obviously I youknow, my challenge to myself is
to validate myself as a scriptwriter and that's obviously
quite difficult to do sometimes.
I've not got any training, butI think I write good dialogue.
But just getting thatvalidation just feels absolutely
(23:50):
incredible.
I'm not allowed to tell anyoneI'm in the final, but by the
time this airs it will beofficial and yeah, I mean one
winner out of 20.
It already feels like I've won.
To be honest, I couldn't haveimagined getting this far, so I
just want to kick on and keepwriting scripts and, yeah, keep
my theme going of likehopefulness.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
There's usually an angle of mental health and
hopefully a bit of humor inthere as well do you want to
tell us a little bit about thisscript and when it comes out in
the cinemas, people will know.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, to look out for it true, yeah, so
we're going to make it anyway.
So I mean, obviously 50,000 inthe US would be incredible, but
even if we don't get that, we'regoing to make it in the spring
next year.
It's kind of, I guess, inspiredby a film that Ricky Gervais
wrote which is on BBC iPlayer.
I'm not sure how our Americanfriends can access it, but it's
(24:39):
called Seven Minutes.
American friends can access it,but it's called Seven Minutes,
and essentially the plot isabout two people who come out
onto a railway line to taketheir own lives and they
obviously meet each other and Iwon't tell you the rest of it,
but it's kind of like a reallyreally interesting, simple
concept.
But it's kind of quitechallenging because it's like
they're both at their lowest butthen they meet each other and
they kind of strike up asemi-friendship.
(25:02):
So I kind of it's a variationon the theme of that, I suppose.
But we, um, it's about a guy whois stuck in a children's tube
slide, so in an adventureplayground, and he's found by
someone who's on his way to hisbest friend's funeral.
So there's a kind of absurdityof this grown man being stuck in
a slide and this guy who'shaving the most difficult day of
(25:23):
his life, black suit has tokind of navigate this adventure
playground to get this guy outof the tube slide.
So that is the basic premiseand, yeah, hopefully it's quite
heartwarming and it's just anice little little tale of human
kindness, I guess.
Excellent me mate.
Yeah, what's next for you?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
excellent me mate.
Yeah, what's next for you?
Well, linking in to anotherguest, special guest, one of the
best guests ever joseph and you.
He and I are in businesstogether so he created this
company called runga you canfind it rungaco, r-u-n-g-a, and
he does biohacking, he doesretreats, and him and I are
creating this flagship 12-weekprogram.
(26:10):
It's called momentum and it isgoing to be about holistic
health.
It's going to be a 12-weekrecorded program but with, uh,
live sessions of breath workwith me, conscious, connected
breathing based on the fabulousresults we had from the
randomized control trial I didfor my phd.
(26:32):
And in those 12 weeks people aregoing to learn, obviously,
about breath work.
There'll be a lot of breathwork in there.
Joseph's done a ted talk onbreath work, so he's a he knows
this stuff.
But also kettlebells.
Joseph is a kettlebellcertified person.
You know he has his degree inexercise science.
He's worked with a lot ofathletes.
Also got nutrition in there.
So biohacking nutrition willexplain about different diets,
(26:55):
the benefits of keto versuscarnival, what the best brands
are, what's the problem withseed oils, those types of things
which, where to get your water,how to filter your water, what
kind of water bottles to avoidas well.
We kind of have a sprinkling ofspirituality.
Runga is a kind of a spiritualword and, as many research
(27:15):
studies have shown, consciousconnected breath work does often
elicit these mysticalexperiences.
So we will be kind ofintroducing people to a little
bit of spirituality, a littlebit of those mystical type
experiences.
And yeah, for people who aremaybe on the fence about
spirituality, they're not reallyreligiously aligned, or if they
(27:38):
are religiously aligned andthey want to try a, um, yeah, a
different type of mysticism,that's going to be in there
subtly as well.
So it's going to be aboutpurpose as well and 12 weeks you
know you can do a lot in 12weeks and, yes, that's going to
be the main product amazing mateand you're moving to austin
texas, is that correct?
(27:59):
I will be moving to austin texas.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, at some point and joe rogan and those other
people in austin texas yeah,maybe.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Um, I'll definitely be going to the comedy
mothership.
Joe rogan's comedy club beenonce before very good, but uh,
yeah, another thing about rungais they have a podcast.
I've been on it.
It was called the intuitive.
It is being changed to RungaRadio and I will be co-hosting
Runga Radio with Joseph.
(28:32):
So if you like laughing throughthe pain, navigating wellness,
and you want more of it, go toRunga Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Imagine laughing through the pain with an even
better co-host.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That's what you're gonna get no, with a exactly the
same caliber of co-hostdiplomatic well done rich yes
indeed, and I'll be coming overto austin to see you.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'm still going to come to the health optimization
yes, the health optimizationsummit.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I may be speaking there.
I'm in conversations with themabout, uh, maybe me doing a
speaking of it.
Well, we'll see what.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh, it would be great to have you in the audience
there yeah, and we can stillaccess your breathwork services
separately to all things.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Runga right?
Absolutely.
Yes, I'm available for onlinebreathwork and, as we know from
the science, online breathworkis very effective.
And my paper is actuallyundergoing peer review.
It's been accepted by NatureScientific Reports.
It's been accepted for for peerreview, so it doesn't mean it's
(29:44):
been accepted for publishing.
It means yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
10 10, yeah, 10 reviewers what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
it means 10 people, 10 other phds, are going to be
looking at it like booing iteffectively.
So yeah, we'll see if I make itthrough that.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Um, yeah, that process well, all that remains
is to say thank you very much toour audience for being um epic
listeners and for engaging withus.
I've really enjoyed that andI've loved the challenges as
well.
You know, in terms of you needto be harder on your guests, or
I don't agree with that.
I think it's all good stuff.
It's all nice to encourage thedebate and also thank you to you
(30:21):
, mate.
I really appreciate it.
You were definitely the drivingforce behind it and you've
taught me so much and I reallyappreciate your friendship and I
really appreciate yourdedication to this field and I
will be there in some capacity,albeit a watered down capacity,
every step of the way oh, thankyou, mate.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
mate, I appreciate that.
That's heartwarming.
Thank you for being supportivein all ways and for showing up
and being on time and addingyour sense of humour and
curiosity and an openness toeverything and all of our guests
.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, you'll be pleased to know Rich and I will
remain exceptionally goodfriends offline, but yeah, thank
you so much to everyone who'sever listened to an episode, and
over and out Cheers.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Bye-bye.
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