August 19, 2024 • 42 mins
Could salt be the key to unlocking optimal health? In this riveting episode, we challenge the conventional wisdom vilifying salt and discover its essential role in hydration, cellular function, and mental clarity. Drawing on insights from Dr. James DiNicolantonio's "The Salt Fix" and Dr. Zach Bush, we expose the sugar industry's role in salt's negative reputation and emphasize the profound differences between harmful table salt and beneficial natural salts like Oryx Desert Salt. Get ready to rethink everything you thought you knew about salt and its impact on your well-being.
We'll also uncover recent studies on the symbiotic relationship between salt and water, from shark behaviour influenced by cocaine to the potential health benefits of structured water as explored by Dr. Masaru Emoto. Hear personal stories on how switching to Oryx Desert Salt has enhanced sleep quality and overall health. We debunk myths linking salt consumption directly to heart disease and high blood pressure, pointing the finger at processed foods as the real culprits behind these health issues.
Journey with us to the Kalahari Desert and learn about the inspiring origins of Oryx Desert Salt, a brand committed not just to providing a high-quality product but also to making a positive impact on marginalized communities through initiatives that support the Khoisan Bushmen. Discover practical tips for incorporating quality salt into your daily routines and its surprising benefits for pregnant mothers, those experiencing PMS, and during fasting. This episode is your comprehensive guide to reclaiming the value of salt for a healthier, happier life.
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction and Misconceptions About Salt
01:19 The History and Importance of Salt
02:22 The Problem with Table Salt
05:10 The Benefits of Oryx Desert Salt
08:16 Environmental and Health Concerns with Sea Salt
15:40 Practical Uses and Personal Experiences with Salt
27:30 The Journey of Oryx Desert Salt
30:54 Community Impact and Future Projects
35:14 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Samantha has diverse experience, from refurbishing the interiors of corporate jets, founded a kayaking expedition company in Malawi, Founded 20,000 Drums a transformational workshop for 30,000 children across South Africa. She also travelled extensively, one experience of which was her 5-month journey in Namibia where she walked 75miles / 7 days through the Namib Desert and had close encounters with the beautiful elusive Oryx Gazelle, which became the inspiration for the Oryx Desert Salt brand.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Samantha hi.
What are people getting wrongabout salt consumption?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Unfortunately, salt's been very vilified and
demonized over the years.
I love what Dr JamesDeNicolantonio says in his book
called the Salt Fix, that thewrong white crystal got the bad
rap.
So the sugar industry almostput the limelight and the
spotlight on salt because theydidn't want to take
responsibility.
So salt is actually third mostimportant to the body after
(00:33):
oxygen and water.
If you end up in hospital, thefirst thing they do is they put
you on a saline drip.
Your tears are salty, yourblood is salty Salt.
And let me differentiate Tablesalt does not fall into the salt
category.
Table salt should be illegaland should not be allowed on a
supermarket shelf.
It is not salt.
It comes from salt, but it'shighly refined, processed,
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industrialized, demineralized,bleached, heated, and so it is
actually not what the originalsalt, which has its component of
minerals and trace elements andall salt does, actually, except
for table salt, in beautifuldifferent balances and unique
proportions.
But like wine, each one has itsown special profile.
(01:21):
So the fact that a thousandyears ago salt was equivalent to
its worth in gold almost tellsyou how valuable it was, and it
allowed people to travel theworld because we were able to
preserve fish and meat andvegetables, and so it gave us
(01:41):
the possibility to traveldistances, and because of that,
we were actually eating a wholelot more salt than we are now.
In fact, I think the FDA'swhatever it's called RDA
Recommended Daily Allowance saysfive grams of sodium, which is
actually 13 grams of salt, butmost people confuse the sodium
(02:04):
to the salt and we're actuallynot probably having enough of it
so can you talk a bit about thehistory of that, why it was
just the sugar industry thatdemonized salt, or because there
must be some science behind itthat people have got wrong and
misinterpreted?
uh, it started in about 1910when Morton see how it pours,
(02:27):
the start of the convenience,the food convenience era.
Look, ladies, it doesn't.
And then some idiot decided toput it into a.
So actually table salt isindustrial salt.
So PVC, c stands for chloride,so salt is a binding agent and
it goes into paint, it goes intoplastic.
So then they were, because theywere making such huge volumes,
(02:50):
let's put it on a supermarketshelf and I think we're very
trusting beings.
So we're like oh, it's there,so it must be okay.
No, definitely not.
And then Dr Zach Bush I don'tknow if you're aware of him, he.
Then Dr Zach Bush, I don't knowif you're aware of him, he,
beautiful human, he planted aseed, he was talking.
The fact is, if you're havingtable salt, your brain isn't
(03:13):
even functioning correctlybecause you really need that
salt medium.
Your cells, your intercellularfluid need to have a certain
balance of salt with theminerals and trace elements.
So kind of 1910, bit of thestart of the Industrial
Revolution.
It didn't really want people tobe awake and switched on and
asking questions.
(03:34):
So it actually dials the mindand dials one's thinking.
We've actually got a beautifularticle on our website four ways
rethinking salt four ways andhow.
Eating a complete whole food,salt which hasn't been tainted
and touched or had various toxicchemicals.
(03:54):
What's it?
Ferrum, cyanide and alumilinsilicate.
Does that sound like somethingthe body wants?
The anti-caking and free flowchemicals having that whole food
, the body and the brain.
So if you're actually feeling alittle bit pup at the end of
the day, have a glass of water,put a sprinkle of salt in it and
(04:15):
you will most probably findthat you pick your energy levels
and your thinking picks up.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay.
So why do we need salt then?
What's it doing for us, whenyou say it's picking us up?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So salt's intrinsic value to the body is to actually
help us stay hydrated.
So salt is an electrolyte tothe body.
And that's what's so sad abouttable salt, because if you were
to put a saucer of table saltand a saucer of Oryx Desert Salt
, Oryx would absorb moisture andafter a day or two it will be
wet, whereas table salt would beperfectly dry.
But that's what salt's value isto the body and its essential
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function is to help us stayhydrated completely and to keep
the balance of minerals andtrace elements in our blood, in
our cellular and cells andintercellular fluid.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You mentioned it there, but you've got a
particular salt called Oryx salt, spelled O-R-Y-X.
Can you tell us what is specialabout Oryx salt?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Thank you.
Oryx comes from a very specialplace in Southern Africa, from
the Kalahari Desert.
It is a region which is 900,000square kilometers, which is, I
think, 20 times the size ofBritain, one and a half times
the size of Texas, and our saltpan is 50 square kilometers or
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5,000 hectares.
So you wouldn't see someonestanding on the other side, and
they discovered underground whatseems like a lake.
It's an aquifer of 55 milliontons of saltwater or brine.
It is also renewable andsustainable, as it has these
three subterranean streams thatare constantly replenishing this
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aquifer.
And the other phenomenon isthat when we pour it up onto the
salt pan, one, it has not beentouched by human hands, because
the closest town is 175 miles or250 kilometers away, and two is
that it is oversaturated, soit's a little bit like the Dead
(06:23):
Sea, and so in summer thetemperature reaches 120 degrees
Fahrenheit, 50 degrees Celsius,and so the salt water
crystallizes in only four weeks.
So in one lunar cycle, underthe stars, the desert wind and
the hot African sun, itcrystallizes into these pure
(06:44):
white crystals.
We add nothing and we takenothing away.
And I had an incredibleexperience last year we went up
to the salt pan to film, alittle documentary.
So if you go onto our websiteyou'll see some beautiful drone
footage.
And even we were gifted and itreally was a gift, because
thunderstorms in the Kalahariare quite rare and we were
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gifted the most epicsupercharged thunderstorm, with
lightning and double rainbows.
It was just like it was likeokay, wow.
And what it made me realize isthat Oryx Desert Salt is
actually supercharged andactivated by the elements.
Dr masiru, immortals workaround water, having memory and
(07:29):
having intelligence, so the onlywhat our extensive salt has
been exposed to is the elements.
And then we, we bottle it andwe put it and that's literally
what you're sprinkling onto yourfood yeah, that's that's
fascinating.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's almost like a onto your food.
Yeah, that's fascinating.
It's almost like a Disney story.
This could be a movie orsomething.
The elements of how this stuffis created by magic and
lightning and things like that.
That's fascinating.
So you mentioned this salt isnot touched by human hands.
Why is that important?
And yeah, I'm leading on to thequestion about plastics and
(08:05):
plastics and salt.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So tell us more about plastics and why not being
touched by humanity is importantum, the quantity of plastic in
oceans now is reaching thetrillions of tons, and so all
plastic breaks down into itslittle micro form and they're
called microbeads.
And so when any sea salt isdrawn up out of the ocean,
(08:32):
invariably it is going to haveplastic in it.
And in fact, if you were toGoogle salt and plastic, you'll
be horrified at how manyuniversity studies, how many
articles National Geographichave done a piece that I think
38 out of 39 sea salts testedfrom 20 countries all had
(08:53):
microbead plastic in them.
So plastic is obviously anendocrine disruptor.
We definitely don't want it inour system and unfortunately it
would almost be the same color.
So if you're consuming sea salt, you're possibly probably
consuming a some amount ofplastic as well as what we've.
(09:14):
Um, for 10 years we've beenspearheading a grinder head that
has a ceramic mechanism and sothat ceramic will never wear out
, and I've had a couple we did anewsletter a couple of months
ago and the subject was stopbuying our grinders.
Yes, exactly, buy it once andthen just keep refilling.
(09:34):
So our hashtag is refill, notlandfill.
But the other important pieceis that it's not grinding
plastic into your food, becauseevery other grinder on shelf is
polycarb or plastic, and thoseteeth are made of plastic, and
so when you're grinding that,your salt, over your food,
you're also grinding plasticteeth into your food and eating
(09:55):
it and throwing it away, buyinganother one.
And then I sadly got anotherpiece of information from a
marine biologist at DaveAsprey's biohacking conference.
He actually makes some productsfrom oysters and he did testing
and he discovered that some ofthem had opioids and
(10:18):
contraceptives in them.
Pharmaceutical contamination isa real thing now too.
Cruise liners dump 1 billiontons of sewage into the oceans
every single year, so the oceansare not what they used to be,
and so hence I say oryx comesfrom a region the closest town
(10:39):
is 250 kilometers away.
The lodge that I stay at fivekilometers, three miles away,
track their fresh water 175miles, so that region is
uninhabitable and thereforeunpolluted and untouched.
And I've really I'm coming moreand more to understand the
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resonance and the frequency.
Dr Mysterio Immortal's work andis another beautiful human I
haven't met yet or had aconversation with I'm really
looking forward to.
It is Veda Austin, and she'sbeen working with water for many
years and understanding itsintelligence, and I actually did
my first experiment about twoweekends ago, this
(11:22):
crystallography.
I don't know if you've everdone it, so I took I didn't have
a Petri dish, but I took aglass lid of a glass jar and I
put some spring water in andthen I put it onto an RX Desert
Salt box.
I should have had one here toshow you this beautiful masked
creature, the RX, which for realactually has a heart on the top
(11:44):
of its head, and I left itthere for 20 minutes and we
chatted and then we went and putit into the freezer and dinkum
for real.
When we took it out, thisfrozen lid with the water has a
head and horns in it.
So the water has absorbed andit's just sitting on it.
So that was like that's blowingmy mind.
(12:04):
And then we did anotherexperiment where we just put
spring water and then a crystalof auric salt in it and to me it
looks like the moon, like theshapes, and there was some sort
of gray, and I talk about thefact that it's got this lunar
energy in it, and I really thinkit looks like the moon, wow
(12:29):
yeah, quite fascinating, magical.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And yeah, the plastics.
Going back to that, I don'tknow if you saw, but in the
ocean they found in sharks.
There was evidence of cocainein the sharks, that the sharks
had ingested cocaine.
So you may maybe all downsides,but maybe there's an upside
that we could get free cocainefrom a certain type of water.
Maybe if we went and harvestedsome salt from the between Cuba
(12:54):
and Miami, maybe the water thereis just cocaine what don't get
cocaine.
That's bad.
I'm joking the other thing so Ithe research on structured water
and the Emoto Star Fed.
I find that really interesting.
But what I haven't seen I don'tknow if you've seen it or not
and certainly if this isn't yourarea of expertise, move on.
But I get that structured water.
(13:16):
It looks better under amicroscope, but is there any
actual evidence of it helpingthe body?
I know they talk aboutexclusion zones and things like
that, but is there anydifference between the drinking,
the beautiful crystal waterthat's been structured and
remineralized, and just ugly oldwater?
I haven't seen any researchthere, have you?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I haven't specifically, but from almost a
logical sense, when you have alook at the crystalline
structure of water that's had apositive intention or word
placed on it, versus water thathas no form.
I can only imagine that the oneis in fact hoping to have a
conversation with Dr Zach Bushand I really believe he's going
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to be able to add a little pieceof the puzzle, because I feel
like there's from that.
We are light beings and we'realso energetic beings, so I
believe there's an activation ofsorts from having products from
a pure source.
And in fact I actually had Oryxtested, the resonance tested,
(14:21):
with South Africa's topkinesiologist, dr Kromhout.
He teaches craniosacral studentsand I took table salt and I
took sea salt and I took Oryxsalt and the table salt was very
low at 150, but it's 150 to thepower of 10.
The sea salt was 180, I think,or 190.
(14:44):
And Oryx salt was 220.
And when you do it to the powerof 10, it becomes significantly
a much greater number.
If we start talking aboutenergy and I think I love the
biohacking space and communityfor that and Einstein said the
future of medicine is frequency.
So if we start looking at froman energetic frequency
(15:04):
perspective, then if it's gotmore energy, it's going to feed
our mitochondria, it's gonna.
It's gonna feed our wholeenergetic system yeah, I think
you're probably right.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I just yeah, I'm hoping someone will prove that
in a rigorous scientific studyI'll have to look for that I've
got a pretty basic question, butyou mentioned earlier, some
people get confused with saltconsumption and it's been
misconstrued with sodium.
How much is there an easy wayto measure your optimal salt
(15:36):
consumption?
Obviously on the assumptionyou're using Oryx.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So I had quite an interesting personal experience
recently when I got back from Idid seven trade shows in seven
locations over seven weeks and70 hours of flying, and
unfortunately, while I wastraveling, I was eating really
badly, so I was eating a lot ofrefined, processed and
restaurant meals and what haveyou.
Anyway, I landed back, wentstraight to my organic veggie
(16:04):
shop, bought some beautifulethical meat and I made myself
an eight liter pot of lamb stew,but there's only so much salt
one puts into a stew.
Anyways, for the first three,four days I was pretty wired at
night and I wasn't sleepingproperly.
And we recently did aninterview with somebody that I
met at a networking lunch and hehad been an insomniac for 25
(16:25):
years until he started taking ateaspoon of auric salt in the
evening and a teaspoon of auricsalt in the morning, and for the
first time in his adult life hestarted sleeping and I was like
, ok, let's try this out.
So I took a teaspoon of salt,mixed it with honey, so it's
quite an interesting sweet,salty flavor.
(16:46):
And by the second night, Iremember on the third morning, I
was like I don't rememberfalling asleep last night and I
slept a full night through andI'm actually now taking a
teaspoon every evening, and I'vehad a couple of people have
profound similar experienceswhere they've been insomniacs
and they're now sleeping.
(17:07):
My sense always is to come backto the body's intelligence.
If you're craving salt, trustyour body, trust the
intelligence and your body'scommunication with you.
If you're wanting it, have it.
So I always say that Oryx is aguilt-free salt.
Have as much as you want and Ibelieve, because we're actually
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not having enough salt, if westart picking up our salt levels
, there's another study inhaving more salt and suddenly
little glitches of Achilles,tendons and various other things
start minimizing that the bodycan repair itself more.
So I think for each of us toexperiment and to please share
(17:50):
the feedback yeah, so salt?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
we had a discussion of salt on a previous episode
with a nutritionist who's verypro salt and very aligned with
what you said, and then we got athe longest comment in a
youtube video in history.
It was like a full academicpaper with the references and
bibliography and everything.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We didn't go back to the guy, but maybe I was leaving
it to you and you were leavingit to me no, I left it to dorian
.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
So, yeah, dorian.
So which was the nutritionistwho was on?
But this, yeah, this paper was.
Dorian basically said the ideathat salt is bad for you is
correlation, not causation.
Ie, people who have highersodium intakes they had more
likely to have high bloodpressure and have heart disease.
(18:36):
But Dorian was positing that'sjust because people who eat
really unhealthy diets full ofready meals and mcdonald's and
things like that, they're eatingsalt comes with that.
But it's not salt that'scausing the heart disease and
the blood pressure, it's thejunk food, it's the ultra
processed food.
But then this guy came backwith several references saying
no, it's not.
(18:57):
It's not correlation, cause,causation, yeah, and then he
starts talking about mandalianrandomization and he lost me.
But basically, why do peoplethink, yeah, what's your take on
that?
On the blood pressure and thesalt and the heart disease?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
the one thing that I find interesting is that table
salt is the one of the cheapestthings you can buy, actually, if
you think what you pay for itand how long it lasts you.
And I really believe it'sbecause it has no value to our
bodies.
Exactly, most of us werebrought up on a table salt, not
thinking about what it was doingto our bodies or what we were
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not giving our bodies.
What's interesting is thatsodium and this is from a
cardiac researcher, dr James deNicolantonio is that sodium is
the most important mineral forthe heart.
So doctors who are puttingtheir patients onto a low-sodium
diet are actually counter it'stotally counterintuitive to what
the heart is needing.
(19:55):
And there's an interesting basisthat table salt because one
it's heated up to 1,200 degreesCelsius, so it's absolutely.
It's got no water in it at all.
Plus it's got no minerals.
So when you're having that, thebody is actually the body is
like this living.
It's this living body ofmovement and in order for our
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blood to be a certain salinity,if the table salt has no
minerals, the body is leachingout minerals into the table salt
and that's then going to putpressure in our blood system and
that can cause blood pressureissues.
So having a product that is soagainst what our body is able to
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absorb utilize for our health,against what our body is able to
absorb utilize for our health,it's going to have a ripple
effect in various ways, and I'mnot a doctor, so this is my
researching reading and this isa little bit of a lay sharing of
that concept.
We have an article on ourwebsite, drink less water and
(21:06):
eat more salt, and there's avery interesting some research
in there that explains this,maybe with more of a technical
angle okay, drink less water,eat more salt.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yes, I do the the salt in the morning, first thing
in the morning.
What does that look like?
It looks like a teaspoon ofsalt.
Sometimes I use kintonhypertonic, which is like sea
minerals.
I don't know if you know thatsometimes I'll use relights,
which has like yeah, it's anelectrolyte, but sometimes I
just put the while I'm traveling.
I'm just putting oryx salt,because you gave us these really
(21:40):
nice little mini oryx shakersthat are amazing for travel as a
free gift and they're made outof paper as well, so plastics
there.
So I put a bit of that in withsome molecular hydrogen first
thing in the morning and that'skeeping me hydrated in the
Northern tip of Africa.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Fantastic.
So anytime you have water yourbottle of water, if it's hot and
you're filling it up and takingit with you, just put a
sprinkle of Oryx in it, asyou're doing, because that
actually shifts the water intoan electrolyte and that allows
the body to utilize the watermore for hydration so hence the
less water and more salt and isthat also?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I've heard that, um, tap water is so dead and devoid
of nutrients that when you drinkit because it doesn't have any
salts, it actually looks forminerals and strips you of your
own minerals.
So mineralizing it with salt isthe right thing to do.
Is that your understanding aswell, samantha?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
yeah absolutely available is oryx?
Is it global?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
in the us.
We're available in all wholefoods.
Um, we're about to launch inthe uk which I'm very excited
towards, the sort of about nove,and we will put a store locator
on our website.
There's also we have a brothercompany and it's called in the
UK called Repower.
So it is an electrolyte 1000milligrams of sodium, 200
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milligrams of potassium, 100milligrams of magnesium and it
is powered by Oryx Desert Salt.
So the main ingredient is thisbeautiful quality salt and
that's readily available in theUK on their website, GetRepower.
And yeah, you could search forit and that's a beautiful.
I actually can't drink wateranymore without it and just
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knowing that I'm getting thequantity of sodium and magnesium
and potassium in the balance,that is being very well
researched for the body to use.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, that ratio one gram of sodium to was it 200
potassium and magnesium that'squite a controversial one
because there's another, a veryfamous brand of electrolytes
that I won't mention.
But they they were the first togo that high with with sodium
and really are trying to changethe narrative that it's more
salt, not less.
I've got it on my bottle.
(23:54):
I won't show it because it'sanother brand.
But yeah, I'm glad you're usingthat same ratio as well and, I
hope, is it repower they?
Are they available in the us?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
not in the us yet, but they'll follow through.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'll bring you some out, and you've got to bring me
some Oryx.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Okay, a few more nerdy questions then.
Should pregnant mothers eatsalt?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Brilliant question.
Pregnant mums require apparently30% more blood volume as well
as the amniotic fluid, and sothe fascinating miracle of the
body is that pregnant mums'taste for salt essentially gets
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cut completely.
So they don't have a barometerof things being salty, and that
is the body's intelligence ofsaying eat as much of salt as
you want, because it's needingthat additional in order to
create the blood for the littlebubba that's growing and for the
amniotic fluid.
So I haven't done much researchand probably the doctors are
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saying keep to a low salt dietwhen you're pregnant, which is
really not a good thing and itmakes complete sense.
Obviously the mom is creatingthis beautiful space for this
new human to develop in and it'sgoing to need the blood and the
amniotic to live in.
And what a beautiful time ofour lives those first nine
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months before we arrive in theworld.
So absolutely, and also forwomen menstruating, the couple
of days before, leading up toand during their menstruation as
well, because there is thatloss of blood, and so also to
increase their salt consumption,and some women who have a hard
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time, it might be a veryinteresting experiment to do
that and see if it creates lesspain and less chaos in yeah, in
your hormones and in your wholestate of being actually okay, so
salt can help with PMS as wellas all these other things.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Okay, good to know, and can it help me fasting?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Fasting.
Definitely there's quite a fewdifferent schools of thought
when I fast and generally I dosort of an 18-6 hour
intermittent fasting.
I don't think I would struggleif I wasn't having my revive
with my sodium and in fact I'vedone longer fasts.
In fact I've done up to a 23day fast and again, in fact it
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was quite an interestingexperience because at the end of
the 23 days I almost felt likeI was becoming a breatharian.
I didn't want to eat but Irealized that it was time.
So absolutely having salt whileyou're fasting is essential.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Going back to the beginning of the story, can you
talk a bit about the journeythat you went on to create Oryx
Soul?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So it happened in two parts, but there's been some
really magical, pivotal momentsin the journey with Oryx.
It feels like there's been alot of magic and the first magic
was before I evenconceptualized a business, was
before I even conceptualized abusiness and I was traveling
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Namibia, which, if you haven'tbeen, is really an incredible
experience.
There's just a lot of sand anda lot of sky and a lot of space,
but really beautiful.
And I ended up walking 120kilometers or 75 miles through
the Namib Desert and I had closeencounters with this beautiful
Oryx gazelle.
And so, years later, when I hadthe opportunity to brand salt
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from the Kalahari because theOryx are endemic to the Kalahari
Desert Actually there's asouthern Oryx and then there's a
northern African Oryx, which isso Qatar Airlines Qatar, it's
the national animal and Oman andBahrain they've got the.
It's a scimitar oryx, it'sslightly different, but when I
wanted to brand the salt fromthe Kalahari, this beautiful
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masked creature with theseexquisite horns and the heart on
its head became my logo ofchoice and then got a really
interesting fact some yearslater that apparently the oryx
can go certainly years, andsometimes their whole life,
without drinking water, but theycan't go weeks without licking
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salt, because it's so essentialfor their survival in the hot
conditions.
It helps them stay hydrated andthe minerals and trace elements
are so necessary and vital.
And their hair is hydroscopicand so apparently it's
microscopic straws and it'shydroscopic so it absorbs the
moisture and the desert dew atnighttime and they hydrate
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hypodermically, which is anothermiracle.
And then, some years later, acolleague.
He had actually been lookingfor a food product that had a
spiritual quality to it, andsalt's in the Bible, I think, 39
or 49 times.
It's in almost every cultureand religion is a lot of ritual
around salt, and so he wasselling the salt from the
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Kalahari in bulk and he didn'twant to create a product.
And I had just come out of ajourney of.
I had an NGO for seven yearsfacilitating children drumming
across South Africa, but it wasa 2007-2008 financial crash and
there was no corporate fundingfor feel-good, emotional,
spiritual upliftment projects,and so I was on the lookout for
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something new and I startedeating the salt from the
Kalahari and was gifting it tofriends and I just felt really
called to start sharing it andso then created the product and
one little retail shop at a time.
I started packing grinders onmy dining room table.
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And now, 14 years later, wenational in the USA and going
global wow, so salt is sacred.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
That's who knew.
And then can you tell us a bitabout how Oryx Desert's salt
affected the local community?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I guess from my previous journey of making a
difference in communities, itfelt for me from the very get-go
that giving back was animportant component.
And the Kalahari Desert is aregion where the Khoisan Bushmen
used to roam freely and then,through our terrible years of
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apartheid, they weremarginalized and there were
fences put up in the areas andso their primary way of living,
of hunting and looking for, wasessentially taken away from them
.
And so there's a beautifulorganization called
Transfrontier Parks Destinationand they have a foundation, and
so we've donated from the verybeginning to this foundation in
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support of the Khoisan.
And then I'm very excited thatI am partnering and
collaborating and have analliance with Project Biome, and
it was partly inspired by DrZach Bush he's one of the
ambassadors and it's a beautifulproject regenerating people and
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the planet, predominantlyfocused on South Africa and
communities around South Africa,and so all the proceeds from
the USA are going to be goingback into Project Biome and
sales from South Africa and therest of the world will be still
supporting the Khoisancommunities and as well as
making a difference to thisbeautiful team.
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So I started off just me, andnow I have a team of 20 people
and at the moment, we're readingRobin Sharma's book Wealth
Money Can't Buy, so we havestorytelling every Wednesday and
it just inspires the sevenother forms of wealth, according
to Robin.
Besides, financial wealth isonly one of them.
And they recently alsocompleted a three-month
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parenting course called Love andLogic, because I was having a
really hard time with myteenager, who you can't hear
gaming in the other room, and Iwas just sharing with them.
We get together once a week andI was sharing how I was
battling and they all said theywere bad Parents were all just
winging it, and the kids thesedays seem to be very outspoken,
(32:36):
and obviously the whole digitalgeneration, and so I brought in
some facilitators and it's justbeen the most beautiful thing
that I've done, because it's anincredible touch point.
Sometimes I found it difficultto where to connect with my team
.
We live such different lives.
They come from verydisadvantaged communities.
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Some of them live in tin shacks, and where's that relating
point?
But parents are parents.
We're all facing the samechallenges lives.
They come from verydisadvantaged communities.
Some of them live in tin shacks, and where's that relating
point?
But parents are parents.
We're all facing the samechallenges and there's been some
really beautiful stories thathave come out of their
experience and their nowdifferent way of communicating
and building relationships withtheir children.
So that's been amazing and lotsmore to come in that space with
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their children.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
So that's been amazing and lots more to come in
that space.
Amazing sounds like anincredible company, an
incredible story doing, yeah,much more than just salt.
I expect people would have justthought how are you going to
talk about salt for an hour?
Yeah, there's a lot more to itthan I think people realize and
hopefully people have learned alot from this.
Yeah, you've told us we weregoing to ask you about new
projects and timelines, but itsounds like you've got you've
already filled us in with that.
So how do people find you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
so oryx desert salt oryx desert with one s not
desert salt dot com and oninstagram.
But if you pop a message on oninquiries on the website,
depending on where you are, Ican, you can reach out.
There are a partners page onour website as well.
The different countries thatwe're available in amazon in the
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us.
Amazon will be coming on in theuk as well.
So, yeah, I'm doing my best toget it out to as many people as
possible going global, as yousaid.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Good on you.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, it's exciting.
It's a beautiful journey.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It has been no well, best of luck with all of it.
It's such a pure company, fromthe product itself, from your
intentions and the magic behindit, so it's amazing to hear the
story and best of luck.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Thank you super and just something that's just
landed just to share to everyoneis just really trust yourselves
.
Gabby Bernstein at theBiohacking was like check in
with yourself instead ofchecking out.
And salt is so vital for ourhealth and our well-being.
Indoctrination aside, if you'resensing a need for more salty
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products, just be mindful ofwhich salt you're taking in, but
trust yourself and trust yourbody I think there might be some
people who go.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, I trust I do need another big mac, so we
should be clear.
If you've been listening thislong, you'll know we're not
talking about big macs or doingthe toes and things.
So good quality oryx salt fromnow on absolutely uh excellent.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Thank you thanks a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Thank you so much.
Take care bye yeah, no, him.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Okay.
So why do we need salt then?
What's it doing for us?
When you say it's picking us up, okay, yeah, that's fascinating
, it's almost like a Disneystory.
This could be a movie orsomething, with all the elements
of how this stuff is created bymagic and lightning and things
like that.
That's fascinating.
So you mentioned this.
Salt is not touched by humanhands.
(35:57):
Why is that important?
And yeah, I'm leading on to thequestion about plastics and
plastics and salt.
So tell us more about plasticsand why not being touched by
humanity is important.
Wow, wow Sounds magical, yeah,fascinating, magical.
And yeah, the plastics.
Going back to that, I don't knowif you saw, but in the ocean
(36:17):
that they found in sharks, therewas evidence of cocaine in the
sharks, that the sharks hadingested cocaine.
So you may be all downsides,but maybe there's an upside that
we could get free cocaine fromthe certain type of water.
Maybe if we went and harvestedsome salt between Cuba and Miami
, maybe the water there is justcocaine.
(36:39):
No, don't do cocaine, that'sbad, we're joking.
The other thing.
So the research on structuredwater and the Emoto staff.
I find that really interesting.
But, what I haven't seen.
I don't know if you've seen itor not, and certainly if this
isn't your area of expertise,move on.
But I get that structured water.
It looks better under amicroscope, but is there any
(37:00):
actual evidence?
It looks better under amicroscope, but is there any
actual evidence of it helpingthe body?
I know they talk aboutexclusion zones and things like
that, but is there anydifference between the drinking,
the beautiful crystal waterthat's been structured and
remineralized, and just ugly oldwater?
I haven't seen any researchthere, have you?
Yeah, I think you're probablyright, I just yeah, I'm hoping
(37:22):
someone will prove that in arigorous scientific study.
Yeah, so salt?
We had a discussion of salt on aprevious episode with a
nutritionist who's very pro-saltand very aligned with what you
said, and then we got a thelongest comment in a youtube uh
video in history.
(37:43):
It was like a full academicpaper with the references and
bibliography and everything.
We didn't go back to the guybut maybe he'll listen.
No, I left it to dorian and hedoesn't work with us.
So, yeah, dorian soans was thenutritionist who was on, but
this paper was.
Dorian basically said the ideathat salt is bad for you is
(38:04):
correlation, not causation, iepeople who have higher sodium
intakes.
They had more likely to havehigh blood pressure and have
heart disease.
But Dorian was positing that'sjust because people who eat
really unhealthy diets full ofready meals and McDonald's and
things like that they're eatingsalt comes with that.
But it's not salt that'scausing the heart disease and
(38:26):
the blood pressure, it's thejunk food, it's the ultra
processed food.
But then this guy came backwith several references saying,
no, it's not correlationcausation.
And then he starts talkingabout mandalian randomization
and he lost me.
But basically, why do peoplethink, yeah, what's your take on
(38:47):
that, on the blood pressure andthe salt and the heart disease?
Okay, drink less water, eatmore salt.
Yes, I do, I do the the salt inthe morning first thing in the
morning salt it looks like ateaspoon of salt.
Sometimes I use kintonhypertonic, which is like sea
minerals.
I don't know if you know that.
Sometimes I'll use relights,which has like, yeah, it's an
(39:10):
electrolyte, but sometimes Ijust put the while I'm traveling
.
I'm just putting oryx salt,because you gave us these really
nice little mini oryx shakersthat are amazing for travel as a
free gift and they're made outof paper as well, so no plastics
there, so I put a bit of thatin with some molecular hydrogen
first thing in the morning andthat that's keeping me hydrated
in on the northern tip of africa.
Yeah, and is that also?
(39:34):
I've heard that, um, tap wateris so dead and devoid of
nutrients that when you drink itbecause it doesn't have any
salts, it actually looks forminerals and strips you of your
own minerals.
So mineralizing it with salt isthe right thing to do.
Is that your understanding aswell, samantha?
Yes, excellent, okay, great.
Yeah, that ratio one gram ofsodium to was it 200 potassium
(40:00):
and magnesium is that's.
That's quite a controversialone, because there's another, a
very famous brand ofelectrolytes that I won't
mention, but they they was thefirst to go that high with with
sodium and really are trying tochange the narrative that it's
more salt, not less.
I've got it on my bottle.
I won't show it because it'sanother brand, but yeah, I'm
glad you're using that sameratio as well and I hope.
Is it repower?
(40:20):
Are they available in the US?
There you go, andy.
There's one thing.
Okay, great, yes, okay, okay.
A few more nerdy questions then.
Should pregnant mothers eatsalt?
So salt can help with PMS aswell as as all these other
(40:42):
things.
Okay, good to know.
And can it help me fasting?
Wow, so salt is sacred.
That's who knew.
And then can you tell us a bitabout how Oryx Desert Salt
affected the local community?
Amazing Sounds like anincredible company, an
(41:03):
incredible story Doing yeah,much more than just salt.
I expect people would have justthought how are you going to
talk about salt for an hour?
Yeah, there's a lot more to itthan I think people realize and
hopefully people have learned alot from this.
Yeah, you've told us we weregoing to ask you about new
projects and timelines, but itsounds like you've already
(41:26):
filled us in with that.
So how do people find you all?
Right, I think there might besome people who go yeah, I trust
I do need another big mac.
So we should be clear that, notthat kind of salt, right?
If you've been listening thislong, you'll know we're not
talking about big macs ordoritos and things.
So good quality Oryx salt fromnow on.
All right, great.
Thanks a lot, samantha Cheers.
Samantha hi.
What are people getting wrongabout salt consumption?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Unfortunately, salt's been very vilified and
demonized over the years.
I love what Dr JamesDeNicolantonio says in his book
called the Salt Fix, that thewrong white crystal got the bad
rap.
So the sugar industry almostput the limelight and the
spotlight on salt because theydidn't want to take
responsibility.
So salt is actually third mostimportant to the body after
(00:33):
oxygen and water.
If you end up in hospital, thefirst thing they do is they put
you on a saline drip.
Your tears are salty, yourblood is salty Salt.
And let me differentiate Tablesalt does not fall into the salt
category.
Table salt should be illegaland should not be allowed on a
supermarket shelf.
It is not salt.
It comes from salt, but it'shighly refined, processed,
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industrialized, demineralized,bleached, heated, and so it is
actually not what the originalsalt, which has its component of
minerals and trace elements andall salt does, actually, except
for table salt, in beautifuldifferent balances and unique
proportions.
But like wine, each one has itsown special profile.
(01:21):
So the fact that a thousandyears ago salt was equivalent to
its worth in gold almost tellsyou how valuable it was, and it
allowed people to travel theworld because we were able to
preserve fish and meat andvegetables, and so it gave us
(01:41):
the possibility to traveldistances, and because of that,
we were actually eating a wholelot more salt than we are now.
In fact, I think the FDA'swhatever it's called RDA
Recommended Daily Allowance saysfive grams of sodium, which is
actually 13 grams of salt, butmost people confuse the sodium
(02:04):
to the salt and we're actuallynot probably having enough of it
so can you talk a bit about thehistory of that, why it was
just the sugar industry thatdemonized salt, or because there
must be some science behind itthat people have got wrong and
misinterpreted?
uh, it started in about 1910when Morton see how it pours,
(02:27):
the start of the convenience,the food convenience era.
Look, ladies, it doesn't.
And then some idiot decided toput it into a.
So actually table salt isindustrial salt.
So PVC, c stands for chloride,so salt is a binding agent and
it goes into paint, it goes intoplastic.
So then they were, because theywere making such huge volumes,
(02:50):
let's put it on a supermarketshelf and I think we're very
trusting beings.
So we're like oh, it's there,so it must be okay.
No, definitely not.
And then Dr Zach Bush I don'tknow if you're aware of him, he.
Then Dr Zach Bush, I don't knowif you're aware of him, he,
beautiful human, he planted aseed, he was talking.
The fact is, if you're havingtable salt, your brain isn't
(03:13):
even functioning correctlybecause you really need that
salt medium.
Your cells, your intercellularfluid need to have a certain
balance of salt with theminerals and trace elements.
So kind of 1910, bit of thestart of the Industrial
Revolution.
It didn't really want people tobe awake and switched on and
asking questions.
(03:34):
So it actually dials the mindand dials one's thinking.
We've actually got a beautifularticle on our website four ways
rethinking salt four ways andhow.
Eating a complete whole food,salt which hasn't been tainted
and touched or had various toxicchemicals.
(03:54):
What's it?
Ferrum, cyanide and alumilinsilicate.
Does that sound like somethingthe body wants?
The anti-caking and free flowchemicals having that whole food
, the body and the brain.
So if you're actually feeling alittle bit pup at the end of
the day, have a glass of water,put a sprinkle of salt in it and
(04:15):
you will most probably findthat you pick your energy levels
and your thinking picks up.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay.
So why do we need salt then?
What's it doing for us, whenyou say it's picking us up?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So salt's intrinsic value to the body is to actually
help us stay hydrated.
So salt is an electrolyte tothe body.
And that's what's so sad abouttable salt, because if you were
to put a saucer of table saltand a saucer of Oryx Desert Salt
, Oryx would absorb moisture andafter a day or two it will be
wet, whereas table salt would beperfectly dry.
But that's what salt's value isto the body and its essential
(04:54):
function is to help us stayhydrated completely and to keep
the balance of minerals andtrace elements in our blood, in
our cellular and cells andintercellular fluid.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You mentioned it there, but you've got a
particular salt called Oryx salt, spelled O-R-Y-X.
Can you tell us what is specialabout Oryx salt?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Thank you.
Oryx comes from a very specialplace in Southern Africa, from
the Kalahari Desert.
It is a region which is 900,000square kilometers, which is, I
think, 20 times the size ofBritain, one and a half times
the size of Texas, and our saltpan is 50 square kilometers or
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5,000 hectares.
So you wouldn't see someonestanding on the other side, and
they discovered underground whatseems like a lake.
It's an aquifer of 55 milliontons of saltwater or brine.
It is also renewable andsustainable, as it has these
three subterranean streams thatare constantly replenishing this
(06:03):
aquifer.
And the other phenomenon isthat when we pour it up onto the
salt pan, one, it has not beentouched by human hands, because
the closest town is 175 miles or250 kilometers away, and two is
that it is oversaturated, soit's a little bit like the Dead
(06:23):
Sea, and so in summer thetemperature reaches 120 degrees
Fahrenheit, 50 degrees Celsius,and so the salt water
crystallizes in only four weeks.
So in one lunar cycle, underthe stars, the desert wind and
the hot African sun, itcrystallizes into these pure
(06:44):
white crystals.
We add nothing and we takenothing away.
And I had an incredibleexperience last year we went up
to the salt pan to film, alittle documentary.
So if you go onto our websiteyou'll see some beautiful drone
footage.
And even we were gifted and itreally was a gift, because
thunderstorms in the Kalahariare quite rare and we were
(07:05):
gifted the most epicsupercharged thunderstorm, with
lightning and double rainbows.
It was just like it was likeokay, wow.
And what it made me realize isthat Oryx Desert Salt is
actually supercharged andactivated by the elements.
Dr masiru, immortals workaround water, having memory and
(07:29):
having intelligence, so the onlywhat our extensive salt has
been exposed to is the elements.
And then we, we bottle it andwe put it and that's literally
what you're sprinkling onto yourfood yeah, that's that's
fascinating.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It's almost like a onto your food.
Yeah, that's fascinating.
It's almost like a Disney story.
This could be a movie orsomething.
The elements of how this stuffis created by magic and
lightning and things like that.
That's fascinating.
So you mentioned this salt isnot touched by human hands.
Why is that important?
And yeah, I'm leading on to thequestion about plastics and
(08:05):
plastics and salt.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So tell us more about plastics and why not being
touched by humanity is importantum, the quantity of plastic in
oceans now is reaching thetrillions of tons, and so all
plastic breaks down into itslittle micro form and they're
called microbeads.
And so when any sea salt isdrawn up out of the ocean,
(08:32):
invariably it is going to haveplastic in it.
And in fact, if you were toGoogle salt and plastic, you'll
be horrified at how manyuniversity studies, how many
articles National Geographichave done a piece that I think
38 out of 39 sea salts testedfrom 20 countries all had
(08:53):
microbead plastic in them.
So plastic is obviously anendocrine disruptor.
We definitely don't want it inour system and unfortunately it
would almost be the same color.
So if you're consuming sea salt, you're possibly probably
consuming a some amount ofplastic as well as what we've.
(09:14):
Um, for 10 years we've beenspearheading a grinder head that
has a ceramic mechanism and sothat ceramic will never wear out
, and I've had a couple we did anewsletter a couple of months
ago and the subject was stopbuying our grinders.
Yes, exactly, buy it once andthen just keep refilling.
(09:34):
So our hashtag is refill, notlandfill.
But the other important pieceis that it's not grinding
plastic into your food, becauseevery other grinder on shelf is
polycarb or plastic, and thoseteeth are made of plastic, and
so when you're grinding that,your salt, over your food,
you're also grinding plasticteeth into your food and eating
(09:55):
it and throwing it away, buyinganother one.
And then I sadly got anotherpiece of information from a
marine biologist at DaveAsprey's biohacking conference.
He actually makes some productsfrom oysters and he did testing
and he discovered that some ofthem had opioids and
(10:18):
contraceptives in them.
Pharmaceutical contamination isa real thing now too.
Cruise liners dump 1 billiontons of sewage into the oceans
every single year, so the oceansare not what they used to be,
and so hence I say oryx comesfrom a region the closest town
(10:39):
is 250 kilometers away.
The lodge that I stay at fivekilometers, three miles away,
track their fresh water 175miles, so that region is
uninhabitable and thereforeunpolluted and untouched.
And I've really I'm coming moreand more to understand the
(11:00):
resonance and the frequency.
Dr Mysterio Immortal's work andis another beautiful human I
haven't met yet or had aconversation with I'm really
looking forward to.
It is Veda Austin, and she'sbeen working with water for many
years and understanding itsintelligence, and I actually did
my first experiment about twoweekends ago, this
(11:22):
crystallography.
I don't know if you've everdone it, so I took I didn't have
a Petri dish, but I took aglass lid of a glass jar and I
put some spring water in andthen I put it onto an RX Desert
Salt box.
I should have had one here toshow you this beautiful masked
creature, the RX, which for realactually has a heart on the top
(11:44):
of its head, and I left itthere for 20 minutes and we
chatted and then we went and putit into the freezer and dinkum
for real.
When we took it out, thisfrozen lid with the water has a
head and horns in it.
So the water has absorbed andit's just sitting on it.
So that was like that's blowingmy mind.
(12:04):
And then we did anotherexperiment where we just put
spring water and then a crystalof auric salt in it and to me it
looks like the moon, like theshapes, and there was some sort
of gray, and I talk about thefact that it's got this lunar
energy in it, and I really thinkit looks like the moon, wow
(12:29):
yeah, quite fascinating, magical.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And yeah, the plastics.
Going back to that, I don'tknow if you saw, but in the
ocean they found in sharks.
There was evidence of cocainein the sharks, that the sharks
had ingested cocaine.
So you may maybe all downsides,but maybe there's an upside
that we could get free cocainefrom a certain type of water.
Maybe if we went and harvestedsome salt from the between Cuba
(12:54):
and Miami, maybe the water thereis just cocaine what don't get
cocaine.
That's bad.
I'm joking the other thing so Ithe research on structured water
and the Emoto Star Fed.
I find that really interesting.
But what I haven't seen I don'tknow if you've seen it or not
and certainly if this isn't yourarea of expertise, move on.
But I get that structured water.
(13:16):
It looks better under amicroscope, but is there any
actual evidence of it helpingthe body?
I know they talk aboutexclusion zones and things like
that, but is there anydifference between the drinking,
the beautiful crystal waterthat's been structured and
remineralized, and just ugly oldwater?
I haven't seen any researchthere, have you?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I haven't specifically, but from almost a
logical sense, when you have alook at the crystalline
structure of water that's had apositive intention or word
placed on it, versus water thathas no form.
I can only imagine that the oneis in fact hoping to have a
conversation with Dr Zach Bushand I really believe he's going
(14:00):
to be able to add a little pieceof the puzzle, because I feel
like there's from that.
We are light beings and we'realso energetic beings, so I
believe there's an activation ofsorts from having products from
a pure source.
And in fact I actually had Oryxtested, the resonance tested,
(14:21):
with South Africa's topkinesiologist, dr Kromhout.
He teaches craniosacral studentsand I took table salt and I
took sea salt and I took Oryxsalt and the table salt was very
low at 150, but it's 150 to thepower of 10.
The sea salt was 180, I think,or 190.
(14:44):
And Oryx salt was 220.
And when you do it to the powerof 10, it becomes significantly
a much greater number.
If we start talking aboutenergy and I think I love the
biohacking space and communityfor that and Einstein said the
future of medicine is frequency.
So if we start looking at froman energetic frequency
(15:04):
perspective, then if it's gotmore energy, it's going to feed
our mitochondria, it's gonna.
It's gonna feed our wholeenergetic system yeah, I think
you're probably right.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I just yeah, I'm hoping someone will prove that
in a rigorous scientific studyI'll have to look for that I've
got a pretty basic question, butyou mentioned earlier, some
people get confused with saltconsumption and it's been
misconstrued with sodium.
How much is there an easy wayto measure your optimal salt
(15:36):
consumption?
Obviously on the assumptionyou're using Oryx.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So I had quite an interesting personal experience
recently when I got back from Idid seven trade shows in seven
locations over seven weeks and70 hours of flying, and
unfortunately, while I wastraveling, I was eating really
badly, so I was eating a lot ofrefined, processed and
restaurant meals and what haveyou.
Anyway, I landed back, wentstraight to my organic veggie
(16:04):
shop, bought some beautifulethical meat and I made myself
an eight liter pot of lamb stew,but there's only so much salt
one puts into a stew.
Anyways, for the first three,four days I was pretty wired at
night and I wasn't sleepingproperly.
And we recently did aninterview with somebody that I
met at a networking lunch and hehad been an insomniac for 25
(16:25):
years until he started taking ateaspoon of auric salt in the
evening and a teaspoon of auricsalt in the morning, and for the
first time in his adult life hestarted sleeping and I was like
, ok, let's try this out.
So I took a teaspoon of salt,mixed it with honey, so it's
quite an interesting sweet,salty flavor.
(16:46):
And by the second night, Iremember on the third morning, I
was like I don't rememberfalling asleep last night and I
slept a full night through andI'm actually now taking a
teaspoon every evening, and I'vehad a couple of people have
profound similar experienceswhere they've been insomniacs
and they're now sleeping.
(17:07):
My sense always is to come backto the body's intelligence.
If you're craving salt, trustyour body, trust the
intelligence and your body'scommunication with you.
If you're wanting it, have it.
So I always say that Oryx is aguilt-free salt.
Have as much as you want and Ibelieve, because we're actually
(17:29):
not having enough salt, if westart picking up our salt levels
, there's another study inhaving more salt and suddenly
little glitches of Achilles,tendons and various other things
start minimizing that the bodycan repair itself more.
So I think for each of us toexperiment and to please share
(17:50):
the feedback yeah, so salt?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
we had a discussion of salt on a previous episode
with a nutritionist who's verypro salt and very aligned with
what you said, and then we got athe longest comment in a
youtube video in history.
It was like a full academicpaper with the references and
bibliography and everything.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
We didn't go back to the guy, but maybe I was leaving
it to you and you were leavingit to me no, I left it to dorian
.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
So, yeah, dorian.
So which was the nutritionistwho was on?
But this, yeah, this paper was.
Dorian basically said the ideathat salt is bad for you is
correlation, not causation.
Ie, people who have highersodium intakes they had more
likely to have high bloodpressure and have heart disease.
(18:36):
But Dorian was positing that'sjust because people who eat
really unhealthy diets full ofready meals and mcdonald's and
things like that, they're eatingsalt comes with that.
But it's not salt that'scausing the heart disease and
the blood pressure, it's thejunk food, it's the ultra
processed food.
But then this guy came backwith several references saying
no, it's not.
(18:57):
It's not correlation, cause,causation, yeah, and then he
starts talking about mandalianrandomization and he lost me.
But basically, why do peoplethink, yeah, what's your take on
that?
On the blood pressure and thesalt and the heart disease?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
the one thing that I find interesting is that table
salt is the one of the cheapestthings you can buy, actually, if
you think what you pay for itand how long it lasts you.
And I really believe it'sbecause it has no value to our
bodies.
Exactly, most of us werebrought up on a table salt, not
thinking about what it was doingto our bodies or what we were
(19:35):
not giving our bodies.
What's interesting is thatsodium and this is from a
cardiac researcher, dr James deNicolantonio is that sodium is
the most important mineral forthe heart.
So doctors who are puttingtheir patients onto a low-sodium
diet are actually counter it'stotally counterintuitive to what
the heart is needing.
(19:55):
And there's an interesting basisthat table salt because one
it's heated up to 1,200 degreesCelsius, so it's absolutely.
It's got no water in it at all.
Plus it's got no minerals.
So when you're having that, thebody is actually the body is
like this living.
It's this living body ofmovement and in order for our
(20:21):
blood to be a certain salinity,if the table salt has no
minerals, the body is leachingout minerals into the table salt
and that's then going to putpressure in our blood system and
that can cause blood pressureissues.
So having a product that is soagainst what our body is able to
(20:45):
absorb utilize for our health,against what our body is able to
absorb utilize for our health,it's going to have a ripple
effect in various ways, and I'mnot a doctor, so this is my
researching reading and this isa little bit of a lay sharing of
that concept.
We have an article on ourwebsite, drink less water and
(21:06):
eat more salt, and there's avery interesting some research
in there that explains this,maybe with more of a technical
angle okay, drink less water,eat more salt.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yes, I do the the salt in the morning, first thing
in the morning.
What does that look like?
It looks like a teaspoon ofsalt.
Sometimes I use kintonhypertonic, which is like sea
minerals.
I don't know if you know thatsometimes I'll use relights,
which has like yeah, it's anelectrolyte, but sometimes I
just put the while I'm traveling.
I'm just putting oryx salt,because you gave us these really
(21:40):
nice little mini oryx shakersthat are amazing for travel as a
free gift and they're made outof paper as well, so plastics
there.
So I put a bit of that in withsome molecular hydrogen first
thing in the morning and that'skeeping me hydrated in the
Northern tip of Africa.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Fantastic.
So anytime you have water yourbottle of water, if it's hot and
you're filling it up and takingit with you, just put a
sprinkle of Oryx in it, asyou're doing, because that
actually shifts the water intoan electrolyte and that allows
the body to utilize the watermore for hydration so hence the
less water and more salt and isthat also?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I've heard that, um, tap water is so dead and devoid
of nutrients that when you drinkit because it doesn't have any
salts, it actually looks forminerals and strips you of your
own minerals.
So mineralizing it with salt isthe right thing to do.
Is that your understanding aswell, samantha?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
yeah absolutely available is oryx?
Is it global?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
in the us.
We're available in all wholefoods.
Um, we're about to launch inthe uk which I'm very excited
towards, the sort of about nove,and we will put a store locator
on our website.
There's also we have a brothercompany and it's called in the
UK called Repower.
So it is an electrolyte 1000milligrams of sodium, 200
(23:01):
milligrams of potassium, 100milligrams of magnesium and it
is powered by Oryx Desert Salt.
So the main ingredient is thisbeautiful quality salt and
that's readily available in theUK on their website, GetRepower.
And yeah, you could search forit and that's a beautiful.
I actually can't drink wateranymore without it and just
(23:22):
knowing that I'm getting thequantity of sodium and magnesium
and potassium in the balance,that is being very well
researched for the body to use.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, that ratio one gram of sodium to was it 200
potassium and magnesium that'squite a controversial one
because there's another, a veryfamous brand of electrolytes
that I won't mention.
But they they were the first togo that high with with sodium
and really are trying to changethe narrative that it's more
salt, not less.
I've got it on my bottle.
(23:54):
I won't show it because it'sanother brand.
But yeah, I'm glad you're usingthat same ratio as well and, I
hope, is it repower they?
Are they available in the us?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
not in the us yet, but they'll follow through.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'll bring you some out, and you've got to bring me
some Oryx.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Okay, a few more nerdy questions then.
Should pregnant mothers eatsalt?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Brilliant question.
Pregnant mums require apparently30% more blood volume as well
as the amniotic fluid, and sothe fascinating miracle of the
body is that pregnant mums'taste for salt essentially gets
(24:42):
cut completely.
So they don't have a barometerof things being salty, and that
is the body's intelligence ofsaying eat as much of salt as
you want, because it's needingthat additional in order to
create the blood for the littlebubba that's growing and for the
amniotic fluid.
So I haven't done much researchand probably the doctors are
(25:06):
saying keep to a low salt dietwhen you're pregnant, which is
really not a good thing and itmakes complete sense.
Obviously the mom is creatingthis beautiful space for this
new human to develop in and it'sgoing to need the blood and the
amniotic to live in.
And what a beautiful time ofour lives those first nine
(25:27):
months before we arrive in theworld.
So absolutely, and also forwomen menstruating, the couple
of days before, leading up toand during their menstruation as
well, because there is thatloss of blood, and so also to
increase their salt consumption,and some women who have a hard
(25:48):
time, it might be a veryinteresting experiment to do
that and see if it creates lesspain and less chaos in yeah, in
your hormones and in your wholestate of being actually okay, so
salt can help with PMS as wellas all these other things.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Okay, good to know, and can it help me fasting?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Fasting.
Definitely there's quite a fewdifferent schools of thought
when I fast and generally I dosort of an 18-6 hour
intermittent fasting.
I don't think I would struggleif I wasn't having my revive
with my sodium and in fact I'vedone longer fasts.
In fact I've done up to a 23day fast and again, in fact it
(26:39):
was quite an interestingexperience because at the end of
the 23 days I almost felt likeI was becoming a breatharian.
I didn't want to eat but Irealized that it was time.
So absolutely having salt whileyou're fasting is essential.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Going back to the beginning of the story, can you
talk a bit about the journeythat you went on to create Oryx
Soul?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So it happened in two parts, but there's been some
really magical, pivotal momentsin the journey with Oryx.
It feels like there's been alot of magic and the first magic
was before I evenconceptualized a business, was
before I even conceptualized abusiness and I was traveling
(27:24):
Namibia, which, if you haven'tbeen, is really an incredible
experience.
There's just a lot of sand anda lot of sky and a lot of space,
but really beautiful.
And I ended up walking 120kilometers or 75 miles through
the Namib Desert and I had closeencounters with this beautiful
Oryx gazelle.
And so, years later, when I hadthe opportunity to brand salt
(27:46):
from the Kalahari because theOryx are endemic to the Kalahari
Desert Actually there's asouthern Oryx and then there's a
northern African Oryx, which isso Qatar Airlines Qatar, it's
the national animal and Oman andBahrain they've got the.
It's a scimitar oryx, it'sslightly different, but when I
wanted to brand the salt fromthe Kalahari, this beautiful
(28:09):
masked creature with theseexquisite horns and the heart on
its head became my logo ofchoice and then got a really
interesting fact some yearslater that apparently the oryx
can go certainly years, andsometimes their whole life,
without drinking water, but theycan't go weeks without licking
(28:30):
salt, because it's so essentialfor their survival in the hot
conditions.
It helps them stay hydrated andthe minerals and trace elements
are so necessary and vital.
And their hair is hydroscopicand so apparently it's
microscopic straws and it'shydroscopic so it absorbs the
moisture and the desert dew atnighttime and they hydrate
(28:54):
hypodermically, which is anothermiracle.
And then, some years later, acolleague.
He had actually been lookingfor a food product that had a
spiritual quality to it, andsalt's in the Bible, I think, 39
or 49 times.
It's in almost every cultureand religion is a lot of ritual
around salt, and so he wasselling the salt from the
(29:19):
Kalahari in bulk and he didn'twant to create a product.
And I had just come out of ajourney of.
I had an NGO for seven yearsfacilitating children drumming
across South Africa, but it wasa 2007-2008 financial crash and
there was no corporate fundingfor feel-good, emotional,
spiritual upliftment projects,and so I was on the lookout for
(29:41):
something new and I startedeating the salt from the
Kalahari and was gifting it tofriends and I just felt really
called to start sharing it andso then created the product and
one little retail shop at a time.
I started packing grinders onmy dining room table.
(30:02):
And now, 14 years later, wenational in the USA and going
global wow, so salt is sacred.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
That's who knew.
And then can you tell us a bitabout how Oryx Desert's salt
affected the local community?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I guess from my previous journey of making a
difference in communities, itfelt for me from the very get-go
that giving back was animportant component.
And the Kalahari Desert is aregion where the Khoisan Bushmen
used to roam freely and then,through our terrible years of
(30:45):
apartheid, they weremarginalized and there were
fences put up in the areas andso their primary way of living,
of hunting and looking for, wasessentially taken away from them
.
And so there's a beautifulorganization called
Transfrontier Parks Destinationand they have a foundation, and
so we've donated from the verybeginning to this foundation in
(31:08):
support of the Khoisan.
And then I'm very excited thatI am partnering and
collaborating and have analliance with Project Biome, and
it was partly inspired by DrZach Bush he's one of the
ambassadors and it's a beautifulproject regenerating people and
(31:28):
the planet, predominantlyfocused on South Africa and
communities around South Africa,and so all the proceeds from
the USA are going to be goingback into Project Biome and
sales from South Africa and therest of the world will be still
supporting the Khoisancommunities and as well as
making a difference to thisbeautiful team.
(31:48):
So I started off just me, andnow I have a team of 20 people
and at the moment, we're readingRobin Sharma's book Wealth
Money Can't Buy, so we havestorytelling every Wednesday and
it just inspires the sevenother forms of wealth, according
to Robin.
Besides, financial wealth isonly one of them.
And they recently alsocompleted a three-month
(32:13):
parenting course called Love andLogic, because I was having a
really hard time with myteenager, who you can't hear
gaming in the other room, and Iwas just sharing with them.
We get together once a week andI was sharing how I was
battling and they all said theywere bad Parents were all just
winging it, and the kids thesedays seem to be very outspoken,
(32:36):
and obviously the whole digitalgeneration, and so I brought in
some facilitators and it's justbeen the most beautiful thing
that I've done, because it's anincredible touch point.
Sometimes I found it difficultto where to connect with my team
.
We live such different lives.
They come from verydisadvantaged communities.
(32:57):
Some of them live in tin shacks, and where's that relating
point?
But parents are parents.
We're all facing the samechallenges lives.
They come from verydisadvantaged communities.
Some of them live in tin shacks, and where's that relating
point?
But parents are parents.
We're all facing the samechallenges and there's been some
really beautiful stories thathave come out of their
experience and their nowdifferent way of communicating
and building relationships withtheir children.
So that's been amazing and lotsmore to come in that space with
(33:22):
their children.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
So that's been amazing and lots more to come in
that space.
Amazing sounds like anincredible company, an
incredible story doing, yeah,much more than just salt.
I expect people would have justthought how are you going to
talk about salt for an hour?
Yeah, there's a lot more to itthan I think people realize and
hopefully people have learned alot from this.
Yeah, you've told us we weregoing to ask you about new
projects and timelines, but itsounds like you've got you've
already filled us in with that.
So how do people find you?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
so oryx desert salt oryx desert with one s not
desert salt dot com and oninstagram.
But if you pop a message on oninquiries on the website,
depending on where you are, Ican, you can reach out.
There are a partners page onour website as well.
The different countries thatwe're available in amazon in the
(34:08):
us.
Amazon will be coming on in theuk as well.
So, yeah, I'm doing my best toget it out to as many people as
possible going global, as yousaid.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Good on you.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, it's exciting.
It's a beautiful journey.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It has been no well, best of luck with all of it.
It's such a pure company, fromthe product itself, from your
intentions and the magic behindit, so it's amazing to hear the
story and best of luck.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Thank you super and just something that's just
landed just to share to everyoneis just really trust yourselves
.
Gabby Bernstein at theBiohacking was like check in
with yourself instead ofchecking out.
And salt is so vital for ourhealth and our well-being.
Indoctrination aside, if you'resensing a need for more salty
(34:57):
products, just be mindful ofwhich salt you're taking in, but
trust yourself and trust yourbody I think there might be some
people who go.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, I trust I do need another big mac, so we
should be clear.
If you've been listening thislong, you'll know we're not
talking about big macs or doingthe toes and things.
So good quality oryx salt fromnow on absolutely uh excellent.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Thank you thanks a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Thank you so much.
Take care bye yeah, no, him.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Okay.
So why do we need salt then?
What's it doing for us?
When you say it's picking us up, okay, yeah, that's fascinating
, it's almost like a Disneystory.
This could be a movie orsomething, with all the elements
of how this stuff is created bymagic and lightning and things
like that.
That's fascinating.
So you mentioned this.
Salt is not touched by humanhands.
(35:57):
Why is that important?
And yeah, I'm leading on to thequestion about plastics and
plastics and salt.
So tell us more about plasticsand why not being touched by
humanity is important.
Wow, wow Sounds magical, yeah,fascinating, magical.
And yeah, the plastics.
Going back to that, I don't knowif you saw, but in the ocean
(36:17):
that they found in sharks, therewas evidence of cocaine in the
sharks, that the sharks hadingested cocaine.
So you may be all downsides,but maybe there's an upside that
we could get free cocaine fromthe certain type of water.
Maybe if we went and harvestedsome salt between Cuba and Miami
, maybe the water there is justcocaine.
(36:39):
No, don't do cocaine, that'sbad, we're joking.
The other thing.
So the research on structuredwater and the Emoto staff.
I find that really interesting.
But, what I haven't seen.
I don't know if you've seen itor not, and certainly if this
isn't your area of expertise,move on.
But I get that structured water.
It looks better under amicroscope, but is there any
(37:00):
actual evidence?
It looks better under amicroscope, but is there any
actual evidence of it helpingthe body?
I know they talk aboutexclusion zones and things like
that, but is there anydifference between the drinking,
the beautiful crystal waterthat's been structured and
remineralized, and just ugly oldwater?
I haven't seen any researchthere, have you?
Yeah, I think you're probablyright, I just yeah, I'm hoping
(37:22):
someone will prove that in arigorous scientific study.
Yeah, so salt?
We had a discussion of salt on aprevious episode with a
nutritionist who's very pro-saltand very aligned with what you
said, and then we got a thelongest comment in a youtube uh
video in history.
(37:43):
It was like a full academicpaper with the references and
bibliography and everything.
We didn't go back to the guybut maybe he'll listen.
No, I left it to dorian and hedoesn't work with us.
So, yeah, dorian soans was thenutritionist who was on, but
this paper was.
Dorian basically said the ideathat salt is bad for you is
(38:04):
correlation, not causation, iepeople who have higher sodium
intakes.
They had more likely to havehigh blood pressure and have
heart disease.
But Dorian was positing that'sjust because people who eat
really unhealthy diets full ofready meals and McDonald's and
things like that they're eatingsalt comes with that.
But it's not salt that'scausing the heart disease and
(38:26):
the blood pressure, it's thejunk food, it's the ultra
processed food.
But then this guy came backwith several references saying,
no, it's not correlationcausation.
And then he starts talkingabout mandalian randomization
and he lost me.
But basically, why do peoplethink, yeah, what's your take on
(38:47):
that, on the blood pressure andthe salt and the heart disease?
Okay, drink less water, eatmore salt.
Yes, I do, I do the the salt inthe morning first thing in the
morning salt it looks like ateaspoon of salt.
Sometimes I use kintonhypertonic, which is like sea
minerals.
I don't know if you know that.
Sometimes I'll use relights,which has like, yeah, it's an
(39:10):
electrolyte, but sometimes Ijust put the while I'm traveling
.
I'm just putting oryx salt,because you gave us these really
nice little mini oryx shakersthat are amazing for travel as a
free gift and they're made outof paper as well, so no plastics
there, so I put a bit of thatin with some molecular hydrogen
first thing in the morning andthat that's keeping me hydrated
in on the northern tip of africa.
Yeah, and is that also?
(39:34):
I've heard that, um, tap wateris so dead and devoid of
nutrients that when you drink itbecause it doesn't have any
salts, it actually looks forminerals and strips you of your
own minerals.
So mineralizing it with salt isthe right thing to do.
Is that your understanding aswell, samantha?
Yes, excellent, okay, great.
Yeah, that ratio one gram ofsodium to was it 200 potassium
(40:00):
and magnesium is that's.
That's quite a controversialone, because there's another, a
very famous brand ofelectrolytes that I won't
mention, but they they was thefirst to go that high with with
sodium and really are trying tochange the narrative that it's
more salt, not less.
I've got it on my bottle.
I won't show it because it'sanother brand, but yeah, I'm
glad you're using that sameratio as well and I hope.
Is it repower?
(40:20):
Are they available in the US?
There you go, andy.
There's one thing.
Okay, great, yes, okay, okay.
A few more nerdy questions then.
Should pregnant mothers eatsalt?
So salt can help with PMS aswell as as all these other
(40:42):
things.
Okay, good to know.
And can it help me fasting?
Wow, so salt is sacred.
That's who knew.
And then can you tell us a bitabout how Oryx Desert Salt
affected the local community?
Amazing Sounds like anincredible company, an
(41:03):
incredible story Doing yeah,much more than just salt.
I expect people would have justthought how are you going to
talk about salt for an hour?
Yeah, there's a lot more to itthan I think people realize and
hopefully people have learned alot from this.
Yeah, you've told us we weregoing to ask you about new
projects and timelines, but itsounds like you've already
(41:26):
filled us in with that.
So how do people find you all?
Right, I think there might besome people who go yeah, I trust
I do need another big mac.
So we should be clear that, notthat kind of salt, right?
If you've been listening thislong, you'll know we're not
talking about big macs ordoritos and things.
So good quality Oryx salt fromnow on.
All right, great.
Thanks a lot, samantha Cheers.
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