Decoding Heavenly Messages & The Second Coming of Christ: Ilyan Lavanway's Story - Latter-Day Lights - LDS Podcast "Latter-Day Lights" - Inspirational LDS Stories

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Scott Brandley (00:00):
Hi everyone, I'm Scott Brandley.

Alisha Coakley (00:02):
And I'm Alisha Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
instill faith, invite growth andinspire others.

On today's episode we're going to hear how
signs from the heavens arebuilding one man's testimony of
the second coming of Christ andhelping him to be prepared to
gather Israel.
Welcome to Latter-day Lights.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Latter-day

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Lights.
We're so glad you're here withus today and we have a really
special treat for you.
We'd like to welcome to theshow Ilyan Kai-Levanwe Ileon
welcome, thank you.

Ilyan Lavanway (00:47):
Thank you for having me on your show.
I appreciate it.

Yeah, thanks so much for reaching out to us.
Well, I think actually we hadlike a weird reach out thing.
It was like I answered aquestion about a podcast from
another someone somewhere andthen you commented on it, and
then you saw my comment andreached out that way and right,
it was like a.
Yeah, it was kind of anindirect opportunity.

It's, yeah.
I think Heavenly Father justarranged events to be in the
right place at the right time.
I agree.
Here we are.
I'm grateful for that.

Yeah, so there's a.
There's a message to our guests.
Just think, even if you haven'tlistened to our show yet,
heavenly Father will get yousomewhere.

Yeah, he will.
I promise you that Awesome.

Well, Ilyan, your name is quite interesting.
Do you want to explain to uswhat that means?

Yeah, ilyan actually has origins in several
different countries.
It has Persian and Bulgarianorigins.
It's also Hebrew, a Hebrew namefor Elijah, which means my God
is Yahweh, or my God is Jehovah,jesus Christ, and it also has
Arabic origins, meaning the MostHigh or Exalted.

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That gives me a lot to live upto.
So, especially as acovenant-keeping member of the
Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints, my parents
must have been inspired, becausethey were not members of the
church, didn't know anythingabout the church, when they
named me.
They were baptized when I wasabout three years old.

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They got baptized and then, ofcourse, I got baptized when I
was eight years old.
But yeah, they had no knowledgeof any of the restored gospel
at the time that they named me.
That's cool, it's a miracle tome.

Nice.
Yeah, that's super cool.
I thought it was funny becausewhen we were on the phone and
you pronounced your name for me,so for our future guests, we
always do like a littlepreliminary phone call first,
you know where I get to kind oftalk to you and hear a little
bit of your story and stuff likethat.
And so when I was doing thatwith ilian and he pronounced his
full name, I said, well,scott's gonna have fun with that

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one.
My poor scott.
He, he has a hard time some,sometimes, not all the time.
You actually did way betterthis one like on Millions Name
than I thought you would.
So good job, scott.

I did mess that up twice and we had to cut that,
so you didn't get to hear thatpart, but nobody needs to know
we're in for a bit no worries,maybe one day down the road
we'll have bloopers for the show.
And then you guys can see howmuch Scott and I don't get why
don't you tell us a little bitabout yourself, my friend Well?

I'm 57 years old .
I was born in Washington State.
Like I said earlier, I wasbaptized when I was eight years
old by my dad and I've been anactive member of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-daySaints ever since I served a
full-time mission in Argentinafor two years and served in the

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Air Force as a missile launchofficer for seven years and then
as an academic instructor foranother seven years and I was
medically retired.
So I'm a disabled vet and myfamily is.
I have a small family my wife,baby girl Minchi Levanwe and my
son, emmanuel Iron Levanway.
My son just turned 20 thismonth and he has Down syndrome

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and autism, so he's taught melots about patience.
He's taught me lots aboutHeavenly Father's love and how
deeply he cares about everyperson, no matter their
circumstances.
I love that.

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I like to spend my time writingbooks about things that the
Lord teaches me as I study thescriptures and the words of
living prophets and apostles andLatter living prophets and
apostles and latter day prophetsand apostles, and through
things that he teaches methrough personal experiences.
And I also love going to thetemple.

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If I'm not on a temple trip, Iplan on my next temple trip and
I and I think that's actuallyone of the things that seeing
these signs in the heavens hasstarted to teach me as I
pondered them and and writtenabout them is the imperative
urgency of going to the temple.
President Nelson is very, verystrong about urging us to go to

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the temple, to spend time in thetemple as much as possible, and
I feel that sense of urgencyand I know the blessings that
come from doing that.
So that's part of theexperience of having seen these
things in the sky.
It's urged me to do that evenmore.

That's neat, are you like?
So I know some, I know somecouples who are making it a goal
to try to like go to everytemple in the United States or
like do you guys have any likebig dreams like that one day?

Well, when we were first married.
We've always liked road trips.
We've been married 24 years nowand we road tripped all over
the United States.
Baby girl's from Philippinesand I brought her.
We were pen pals for threeyears and I wrote to her for
three years straight.
We wrote back and forth.
I went to visit her in hermama's house once a year for

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three years and then the thirdyear I brought her back to
america and we were sealed inthe seattle temple for the
church of jesus christ, thelatter saints.
So, and then, four years later,our son emmanuel, was born.
And so it, yeah, it's been.
We love road tripping andemmanuel loves road tripping.
So I take baby girl to thetemple.
She goes in the temple and Iwatch emmanuel in the truck and

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he just loves it the whole daywalking around seeing the
fountain.
They're at Kansas City Temple.
They've got a fountain.
He just loves playing in it.
He'll walk into the temple.
He'll go over to the waitingarea and sit in the chairs for a
while.
He'll come back outside andplay some more.
It's a road trip for him.
It's a time for baby girl to goserve in the temple and then
when I go I usually let shewatches him at home and I go in

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in a smaller vehicle.
It gets better gas mileage.
I just go over there, work allday myself, come back wow yeah,
it's, but we've decidedourselves, amongst ourselves,
that we wanted to live a templegoing lifestyle.
That's that's what we decidedto call it.
We want to live a temple goinglifestyle.
We I've taken her to a lot ofthe different temples around the
country, but not all of them.

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We might not.
They're building temples fasterthan we can travel, so they're.
Yeah, we won't see all of thembefore jesus christ comes again,
but we will keep going to theones that we can reach as often
as we possibly can.

Wow, that's really cool.

That's a good bumper sticker, Alisha.

Live a temple going lifestyle.
I love that.
We really do need to just startcompiling a whole bunch of them
.
You, all of our guests, arejust genius marketers here.
Well, cool.
Well, mr Lee, and what we'regoing to do is we're going to
turn the time over to you.
We're going to let you kind oftell us.

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I know you have maybe a fewdifferent little stories
possibly that you're going towant to share, but there's one
main one.
So why don't you just, you know, start wherever you want to
start, okay.

Well, basically, the experience that I wanted to
talk about is something I sawin the sky on two consecutive
nights about five years ago.
It was mid-August 2019.
We had just moved into this oldfixer-upper house that we had
purchased online.
Baby Girl found it online.
We bought it cash.

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We had just enough in savingsto buy it cash and it is a real
fixer upper.
So it's, but it's a roof overour heads.
It doesn't leak, so we justlive in it and we're grateful
for it.
But we moved in on IndependenceDay of 2019.
And in mid-August of 2019, wewere outside in the wee hours

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the 17th and 18th, and the onlyreason we'd even be outside in
the wee hours like that isbecause our son, emmanuel, likes
to go outside and play out andjust look around and be outside
at all hours.
So we have to be out there, andthe first night I looked up in
the sky and thought, wow, lookat that, that's interesting.
There was an image in the skythere were clouds and there was

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a image in the in the sky thereare clouds and there was a full
moon behind the clouds, and it'slike the lord had taken his
finger and drawn in the cloudspart of the clouds, to let the
moonlight shine through like abacklit keyboard the only way I
know how to describe it likeimages on a backlit keyboard.
And there was a an image ofwhat looked like to me a dove.
I called it a dove.
It was a bird-like figure andthen there was a carpenter

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square with a triangleunderneath it.
From my perspective looked likeit was pointing downward.
And those three images appearedon the first night, the 17th,
in the wee hours.
I believe it was of August 2019.
The very next night, or laterthat night, or the wee hours of
August 18th, we were outsideagain and in those wee hours,

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another set of symbols appeared,completely distinct, but again
it's like the Lord had taken hisfinger and written in the
clouds, letting the moonlightshine through like a backlit
keyboard.
Three of those four symbolsthat appeared on that second day
are are hebrew symbols, and Ididn't know anything about
hebrew.
Uh, I, I mulled these thingsover in my mind as the days went

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by, for you know a few days,and after had this and just
thought about it was like thatwas really interesting to see
things like that in the sky fortwo nights in a row.
And then the holy ghostprompted me sketch those things
before you forget what you saw.
And so I did.
I sketched them at very well,it was too clear in my mind
sketched them down on a couplepieces of paper and set them

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aside and they got lost, put ina box or something.
And five years later, thisearlier this year, around March
or May, somewhere in betweenMarch and May, I came across
those symbols again in thesketches.
I came across those sketchesthat I put in a box and again I
got a strong prompting from theHoly Ghost Write a book about

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this, research what they mean,write a book about it and don't
wait until you have a perfectunderstanding of everything that
they mean, but just get a basicunderstanding.
Write about it and start sharingit.
And do it now.
And so I did.
The 22nd of May I published abook called Signs in the Heavens
over Lehigh Kansas and it's mybeginning basic understanding of

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what those things meant to mepersonally and to my family.
It's my beginning basicunderstanding of what those
things meant to me personallyand to my family.
Some of it is too sacred toshare publicly, but some of it I
can share because it points tothe scriptures.
It points to covenants we'vemade with Jesus Christ.
It points to the restoredgospel of Jesus Christ.
It points specifically to theGodhead and to Jesus Christ and
his role as our Savior theGodhead and to Jesus Christ and

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his role as our savior.
And it's it's fascinating to methat he would put something
like that right over my house.
We live in a small town, lehighKansas, less than 200 people.
It's a very rural area.
There's.
The next town over is six orseven miles away, maybe it's
Hillsborough.
It's another small town.
Probably were the only twopeople that saw this my wife and

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I, and she might not evenremember that much about it
because it struck me very, verydeeply.

I don't know how , how deeply it struck her, but
it really made an impression onme and it's interesting to me
that the oh, go ahead, sorry,yeah I was gonna say will you I
don't know like will you tell us, like, when you got this, this,
uh, this prompting to startdoing research and stuff like
that, like what did that?

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What did you do?
What did that look like?
What'd you find?

well, I, I didn't know what language they
were, or if they were even alanguage at all.
So I I tried to think in mymind okay, let me think of
languages that have ancientlooking characters, probably
felt kind of like joseph smithlooked at it, stuff that he
didn't know what it was, and Idon't have a year of a thumb, so
I you know.

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But anyway, I can't comparemyself to joseph smith.
That's not what I'm trying todo.
I'm just saying that theylooked ancient, of some kind of
ancient characters to me and Ididn't know where to start.
So I started thinking, well,are they Russian, are they
Japanese, are they Chinese, arethey Korean, are they Hebrew?
And I thought, well, startlooking with Hebrew.
And sure enough, three of thosefour symbols on the second night

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are Hebrew symbols and they allrepresent Jesus Christ.
And I didn't know at the time.
But Hebrew is read right toleft, the opposite of the way we
read English, so it doesn'tparticularly spell out a word,
but they have meanings bythemselves and in conjunction
with each other in differentcombinations.
The first letter on the right,it looks like kind of like a

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seven.
It's called Resh, I think, ifI'm pronouncing it right, but it
refers to the head or chief, orthe most important or the most
high, and that's Jesus Christthe chief cornerstone.
It refers to Jesus Christ, thechief cornerstone.
The next two symbols arerespectively Tau and Aleph, I

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think, or they're both Tau indifferent histories of Aramaic
and Jesus spoke Aramaic, butthey're both the first and the
last, both of them.
In whichever order you put themin, they could represent the
first and the last of them.
In whichever order you put themin, they could.
They could represent the firstand the last, which is jesus
christ, and then the thirdsymbol, I mean the fourth symbol

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.
It looks kind of like a t withpearls on the on the top part of
it.
I have never seen that in anylanguage and all the languages
that I've looked at trying tofigure out this uh, what they
mean?
It doesn't look like it's partof any language.
It does look similar tosomething that appears on the
outer rim of the facsimile 2 inthe book of Abraham about the 7

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o'clock position, and I don'tknow what it means in the
context of the book of Abraham.
That part hasn't beentranslated yet and that will
only be, translated by theprophet.
I have no authority to evenspeculate on what it means in
the book of Abraham, but to meit has some specific meanings.
One of them references if youturn it upside down, it

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references the vertical covenantthat a married couple makes
with God.
And the horizontal covenant orthe lateral covenant that a
husband and wife make with eachother when they're sealed in the
temple.
So we have a lateral covenantwith husband and wife and a
vertical covenant with Godsealing ordinance, and that's
significant to me, that this,this is important and it also

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has other meanings that I didn'treally talk about in the book
but I've learned since that justthrough inspiration and ideas
that have come to me.
As it's shown in the sky like aT but with curls on the edge,
it kind of represents theheavens being open, the parting
of the veil and revelation fromGod coming down, like we have in

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the last days.
These are the days of therestoration, of the fullness of
the gospel, and so the heavensare open, and it also seems to
be the parting of the Red Sea,where the Israelites walked
through on dry ground becausethey were obedient to God.
Moses was able to part the RedSea so they could escape their

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enemies and follow the path towhere they needed to go.
Sea, so they could escape theirenemies and follow the path to
where they needed to go.
To me that's forward-looking.
It's like foreshadowing If wewalk the covenant path, the Lord
will part the waves of darknessfor us.
He'll literally part theheavens and part the waves of

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darkness and part the efforts ofthe adversary against us.
And we can walk that covenantpath.
And if we walk that path, wecannot fall.
That's a promise given to us.
Walk in the covenant path.
You cannot fall as long as westay on it.

Right.

And that is a lot of significance to me.
It encouraged me to keep goingon the covenant path.

What was that like when you discovered that?
Like the first symbol that youhad sketched out and that you
saw was was something.
You know what I mean.
Like, like when you had thatfirst piece of evidence, like
wait a minute, this is Hebrew orthis is, you know, like this is
what this means.

Well, it was the second set of symbols that I
saw, the symbols that I saw onthe second night, that three of
them look like Hebrew, or what Idiscovered was actually Hebrew,
and that was very exciting tome because it's like, wow,
hebrew is the ancient languageof the gospel of Jesus Christ
and it has biblical origins andit has significance to the Jews

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and a lot of the things thatI've come to discover as I
mulled this over and pondered.
This is that why would the Lordwrite in the sky?
Obviously he meant this to beshared because he wrote it in
the sky.
If he, if he, meant it just forme only to keep private and
never talk about it with anybody, he would just give me a dream

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or a vision or something thatwould just be and nobody else
would know about.
But he put it in the sky on twoseparate nights.
So that tells me that there'ssome of the meanings in this
that he wants me to share as mypersonal testimony.
And the fact that he wrote itin Hebrew, or part of it in
Hebrew, suggests that I shouldbe thinking about how much he

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loves the Jews and that this hassomething to do with him coming
to the Jews and the fulfillingof prophecies about Jesus Christ
coming to the Jews in the lastdays, splitting them out of
olives, which is one of themeanings of that T symbol.
If you think about it, it's likeyou turn it upside down.
It's like the splitting of amountain or the valley going
straight through and leading toJesus Christ.

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And at that time, when thathappens, christ will be there
and the Jews will flee into thatvalley and he will recognize
who he is and they'll startconverting to him.
And that, I feel, is somethingthat we, as members of the
church, need to be ready for.
I'm speaking for myself, but towhoever else might feel the

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same, that's a big event, andthat event of Christ coming to
the Jews happens before he comesto the whole world and burns
all the wicked.
It starts his millennium, themillennial reign.
His coming to the Jews is likea clarion call for us members of
the church.
We, I think we need to be readyfor that yeah, yeah, for sure

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and I think that what this oh goahead.

Yeah, this is a little crazy, but when, when you
started talking about it, Iremember.
Um.
So Alisha mentioned, before wegot on the podcast, that that I
went on an excursion in Illinoisand I found petroglyphs cool.

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Well, this was what I was justlooking up on my phone.
This is one of the petroglyphswe found.
I don't know, if you can seethat it's the bird.
It's the bird.
It's almost like exactly thesame bird.

I have booster bumps.

That's interesting.

That looks so similar to the drawing, I'll put
a picture of it.

Yeah, I'll put a picture of it on yeah, but like
that's almost the exact birdthat you drew on your picture.
It's even got the big tail inthe back, like yeah, on the back
, like yours has, cool.
Anyway, I'll put a picture onthere in the podcast once it

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goes live.
But I I, when you, when you'retalking, I'm like looking at the
picture that you drew, I'm likeI've seen that before.
That's cool.
It's on a petroglyph inillinois, that's interesting
thank you for telling me thatthat's.

That's very encouraging yeah, I don't.
I don't know how to interpretpetroglyphs, but I do know that
the meanings that I understoodfrom what I saw is that that
first set of symbols I saw thatthe first night which was the
bird, and they like thecarpenter square, like an upside
down l and that little triangleupside down.

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When you take those together,to me it represents the godhead,
the bird, of course.
The dove to me represents theHoly Ghost, and then the
carpenter's square represents tome Heavenly Father, elohim, the
architect of the plan ofsalvation.
And then Jesus Christ is thefocal point of the plan of
salvation.
He's the fulcrum, the pivotpoint.

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Everything revolves around andcenters on Jesus.

Christ, you want to see something else crazy.
Right next to that bird picturewas this no, I can't see it.

It's like a cross.

It's a cross and it looks like Christ, with his
arms open, right next to it.

It's like this one that you drew.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty that is
interesting.

That's right.

That was right next to the bird yeah wow, I'm
just saying like there's a lotof correlation here picture I
just showed you yeah, that is sointeresting heebie-jeebies I
love it yeah, oh, please send mepictures of the.
Send me those pictures too, sothat I can.
Yeah, I will have them andponder them.
Yeah, that's interesting,that's real.
I did not know that thosethings existed.

Well, we're going to have to take a detour
real quick, scott, you're goingto have to tell everyone, like,
like a little cause there's alittle more context to that
story where you found thosepetroglyphs right like, was that
the do you want to share?
Yeah?

I don't want to, I don't want to take the.
Well, I just think it's, I justthink it's cool.
I went on that.
So just so you know, ellian.
Um, yeah, a few years ago itwas in 2019 I went on an
excursion with oh wait, let mestop you right there.

2019, that's the year that I saw these symbols
in the sky 2019.
And you went on that excursionin 2019.
That's interesting.
That's not a coincidence.
In fact, we just had a stateconference today and our state
president said there are nocoincidences it was in September

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of 2019.

coincidences, it was in September of 2019.

That's interesting A month after I saw
these things no-transcript.

So, yeah, I went on an excursion with Wayne May.
I don't know if you know whothat is, I've heard of him.
Yeah, yeah, he took us to abunch of places that hardly
anyone knows about and we wentto this location and we saw
those petroglyphs and I tookpictures of them.
Oh, the other thing, right nextto those is right next to the

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bird and the picture looks likeChrist on the cross.
Next to those is right next tothe bird and the picture looks
like Christ on the cross next toit.
Right next to that is a picturewith a hand with a hole in the
palm.

Interesting.

Yeah.
So I took these pictures.
I didn't like it didn't connect, like what, what I was actually
looking at at the time until wewent to another location and we
found hands.
We found more hands with holesin the palms, and then there
were circles with crosses in themiddle of them and I'm like
what the heck's going on?
And then I, I, we kind of putit together that us, if you were

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like to draw a, um, a pictureof the resurrection, you would
put a cross with a circle aroundit, because the circle is the
sun and the cross is death.

Interesting.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, that's that's interesting.
Yeah, I hadn't thought aboutthat.

Yeah.
So then there was those circles, the circles with the cross
right next to hands, with holesin the palms etched into the
rock.
And there were two, two palmsthat were out with the thumbs
out like this, and we're likewhat the heck?
What's going on?
And they both had holes intheir palms and so I had my
uncle.
I'm like, hey, john, go putyour hand, go do what that rock

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is doing.
And he went, and he went likethis, and we're like, holy crap,
that's what Christ did.
Right, he put his hands out,but the thumbs were opposite,
because you think, like peoplewould like engrave it this way,
right, and a lot of the, a lotof the palms were, a lot of the
hands were were like this, withthe hole in the palm.
But these ones were out likethis, and they were etched into

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the rock.
Oh, it was freaking.
Anyway that was a side tangent,I'm sorry, oh no.

That actually educates me even more to the
significance of these thingsthat I saw, because they not
only point to Christ'srelationship with the Jews and
our covenant path as members ofHis restored church, but it also
points to the truth of the Bookof Mormon, another testament of
Jesus Christ.
Because those areas that WayneMay took you to see are likely

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Book of Mormon historical areaswhere the people that lived in
the Book of Mormon times here inancient America they put those
there.
They have significance to JesusChrist and to the restored
gospel all the way back then.
It was forward-pointing for ourday gets to Jesus Christ and to
the restored gospel all the wayback then.
Yeah, it was forward pointingfor our day.
Yeah, that's.

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Thank you for sharing that.
Yeah, you bet.

Well, that's something that you you and I had
talked a little bit about overthe phone too, when, when we
spoke earlier, ilyan was thefact that you knew that you just
needed to get it out there andget started, and that the lord
would like guide you to morerevelation, more inspiration.

you know that the more you did the research,
the more he would sendconfirmation and affirmation and
direction and stuff like thatit's kind of cool that we just
got to see it play out a littlebit where it's like you just,
you just got to be part of thatprocess happening and I'm
grateful that you were part ofthat, yeah scott literally knew
nothing about this yeah, likeanything until he got on to get

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recording and stuff like that.

That's like the first that he's he's heard of
this, so that was just cool thatis.

That is uh, that's the lord arranging.
Remember?
I was telling you earlier, whenwe were talking at the
preliminary phone call to tellme how this works and everything
I was mentioning that I havereceived how do I say this,
getting tongue-tied?
The Godhead is represented bythose first three symbols that I

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saw.
Heavenly Father, jesus Christand the Holy Ghost are three
separate, distinct individualsand we can have a personal
relationship with each one ofthem so that we can know how
they each operate in our livesand how they each communicate
and interact with us.
And Elder Holland is giving atalk.

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I don't remember the name ofthe talk right now, but he had
said in his talk that we are toget to know these three beings
and do everything we can tobecome like them, to love them
and do everything we can tobecome like them.

Right.

And that reiterates to me that they are
individual beings and they dohave personal relationships with
us, each one individually.
One of the ways I recognizewhen Heavenly Father is
operating or communicating withme is he arranges events in my
life.
He puts things in my path forme to discover cover, and if he

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speaks to me with words, heusually addresses me as son,
because he's the father of myspirit, so I'm one of his sons,
so he, you know, I know it's myfather speaking to me because he
addresses me as son.
He uses words, but usually hedoesn't speak to me with words.
Usually he gives me experiencesor arranges events in my life.
So it can be something assimple as finding a parking
space open when I'm in a hurryand I'm going somewhere, like a
medical appointment or a churchmeeting or something, and I need

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to get in there just in theright time.
And lo and behold, there's aplace in a full parking lot.
There's one spot left.
That's one simple example, andthere's other large examples of
the series of miracles that heworked for me to find baby girl
in the Philippines all the wayon the other side of the planet,
and all the miracles it took tobring her to America and get

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her citizenship and be sealed inthe temple.
That's a whole string ofmiracles.
It's still ongoing and thoseare all things that Heavenly
Father has operated and placedin my life.
When Jesus is communicating withme, I know it's Him, because it
involves a change of heart.
If I feel a change of heart or asoftening of my heart about

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something, that's Jesus, becausehe atoned for me.
He's the one who wants us tochange our heart and repent.
And if I have ideas that justcome to me, or understanding
that opens up, or clarity ofthought about something, or a
feeling of comfort or peaceduring a time of turmoil, I know

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that's the Holy Ghost, becausehe is the comforter and he's the
testifying agent in the Godhead.
He's the one that brings truth,teaches truth and he testifies
of the Father and the Son.
So I can recognize how each oneof them operates in my life.
I have a personal relationshipwith each one, but I have to
emphasize the fact that ofcourse, we know we only pray to

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Heavenly Father.
We pray to Heavenly Father inthe name of Jesus Christ and
then the Holy Ghost confirmswhatever it is they want us to
know.
That's important to know thatwe pray to Heavenly Father in
the name of His Son, jesusChrist.
We live by the whisperings ofthe Holy Ghost.

The name of that talk was Knowing the Godhead by
Jeff Jarrett.
That's it.
Yeah, I sent it, and then Iforgot that.
I forgot.

Yeah, please, please, do link it in the in the
pod tech.
Yeah.

We can go through that and I I love that
because it's funny.
Um, I feel like I've alwaysknown that there was a
distinction between the Godheadthat we had, god, the father,
jesus Christ and the Holy ghost,like that, honestly, is the big
, is one of the biggestseparators of members of our
church with mainstream Christian, uh, members, right Is is the

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fact that we don't.
We don't follow what thecouncil of Nicaea declared was
the divinity of, you know, theTrinity we have.
We have those personalrelationships and the different
duties of each member of theGodhead and stuff like that.
And I, we had a Sunday schoolclass not too long ago where the

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, the Sunday school teachershe's this you know young little
return missionary, you know andshe talked about how, on her
mission, she had a companion andthe companion and her were
talking about testimony andrelationships and all that kind
of stuff and she was strugglingwith something and the companion
said to her she said, um, meand Jesus are tight.
And she said me and heavenlyfather, we got some, we got some

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things we got to work out andand it was so you know, it's
kind of like a funny littlething but at the same time it's
sort of like how many times haveme and my siblings been like
buddy buddy and we've been likeirritated with our parents?
You know what I mean and I'mlike there really, there really
is a different relationship witheach one.

You know, that's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point too,because Jesus is our sibling.
That's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point too,because Jesus is our sibling,
he's our elder brother, he's thefirstborn of the father.

So it makes perfect sense to me when you
mentioned that.
I'm like, huh, how many timesdid I receive inspiration or
something symbolic or somedirection or something like that
reprimand, whatever it was,where I just attributed it to
the Holy ghost?
And I didn't get it right and Ididn't understand, like wait a

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minute, like why is the Holyghost, why does it talk to me
this way this time and then thatway that time?
And I'm like, oh, maybe it'sbecause he doesn't, maybe it's
just the Holy ghost this time.
And then this is when Christ iskind of like hey, sis, and then
, and then there's like heavenlyfather.
It's like, oh, sweetheart, likemaybe it's a different thing.

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So it for me, just since ourphone call, I was like thinking
more about I really want to paymore attention to who's saying
what, when you know like I justthink that would help me build
my relationship with each one ofthem individually and I don't
know it with each one of themindividually, I don't know.
It's just a really cool conceptthat I hadn't thought about.
So I appreciate you bringingthat up.

No problem, along that line.
I don't remember who heappeared to, but he said he was
I'm your advocate with theFather.

Yeah.

That kind of goes along with what you guys
are saying.
Like he's your person, he's theone that's going to you know,
back you up and support you andand be there for you and put in
a good word for you know, whenwe do get upstairs to the pearly
gates with heavenly father,right, he's going to be there

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for us.
That's right.

We know nobody comes to the Father except
through Jesus Christ.
In fact, we learn in the bookof Hebrews even that the veil in
the temple represents JesusChrist, because we can't get to
the Father without going throughJesus Christ.
That's a unique understandingthat I didn't know until the
latest changes in the endowmentsession explained it so clearly,

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and that's in the book ofHebrews.
So I'm not revealing somethingthat shouldn't be revealed from
the temple.
That's in the book of Hebrews.
The veil represents JesusChrist.

And if you don't know what we're talking about
right now, it's time you go makean appointment to the temple
we're talking about right now.

It's time you go make an appointment to the
temple.
Yeah, I wanted to actuallypoint that out, that one of the
things I want to invite everyoneto do is, if you haven't been
to the temples of the Church ofJesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, please find out what youneed to do to go to the temple
and enter.
Find out what you need to do tohave a temple recommend.
Make the changes in your lifethat you need to make and please

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go make covenants with God inthe temple.
There will be blessings in yourlife that cannot come to you
any other way, and I promise youthat.
I know by experience that thereare things that you can receive
from heavenly father in thetemple that you cannot receive
any other way or any other placeand even president Nelson has
said that that spending time inthe temple will bless you in

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ways that nothing else cannothing.
He emphasizes it very clear andI know that from experience.

Yeah, well, I think it's cool too, cause, like
the temple, we have those, wehave ordinances and all of these
things that come from ancienttimes.

You know, and and when you think about it,
they go all the way back to Adam.

And I think about just even just like the
Hebrew language right, like howeverything was really symbolic.
You know, like they didn't havethe same type of communication
that we have today.
And so sometimes when you gothrough the temple like we're
we're actually my oldest isgetting prepared to go through
the temple, you know, to receivehis endowments so that he can

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go on his mission soon, and youknow it's, it's interesting all
of the symbolism that's in thereand I feel like it's just such
a um, distinct way ofcommunication that heavenly
father has with us and there'sso sometimes there are so many
different meanings to one symbol.
Sometimes there's a lot ofpersonal, like there's there's

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like an overall for the generalpopulation and then there's like
even more distinct personalordinances and stuff.

There are layers and layers of meanings.
It's like layers of an onion.

Yeah, so it's like you go to temple and you
learn one thing and then lateron you go back, and you go back,
and you go back and you justkeep learning and learning and
Heavenly Father keepscompounding knowledge on you and
then, in these circumstances,right and, and then, and these
circumstances right, like, gaveyou and Scott both an
opportunity to see symbols indifferent ways, you know, like

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on a rock or on a hill, you knowin the, in the sky, and I think
he just kind of like keepsgiving you these little.
We had another guest, devinCummings, that would call him
God winks, gives you theselittle God winks and I love that
.
I'm like, oh, so cool, likeHeavenly Father does that, and
so it.
Yeah, when you go through thetemple, sometimes, especially
the first time out, it couldfeel so different, almost weird.

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I'm going to, I'm not gonna lieLike that was my experience
anyway.
I was like I don't know, likecause it's just not how we
normally communicate anymore,like it's just a different
feeling, but it's like the moreunderstanding I have of it, the
more peace and beauty and, youknow, building of my testimony,
that happens in and through it,you know.
So it's like I don't know.

Yeah, the symbols are.
There's so much symbolism inthe temple and it's designed
that way.
It's designed because there arethings that can be taught in
multiple layers of meaning, Likeyou were saying.
There are some general meaningsthat are available, obviously
to everyone, and then there arevery deeply personal meanings
that are specific to differentindividuals in their own

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personal lives, their ownpersonal spiritual development.
And through symbols, the Lord'sable to speak to all his
children in the way that theyneed to be spoken to so that
they can understand his love forthem and make the covenants,
and understand the covenantsthat they're making with him.
And even the artwork in thetemple is filled with symbolism.
I mean, I don't even.

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I can only scratch the surfacetrying to ponder it all.
Everything, the artwork, thepictures, the designs in the
windows, the designs on thecarpet it all represents
something that points JesusChrist, the heavenly father, to
our relationship with them andto what the potential is for us
to become like them and do whatthey do.

Yeah.

And be eternal families.
It all points to eternalfamilies and the tying together
of eternal families.
It's it's amazing and it'scomforting.

I think that's a good segue into my next
question, which would be, asyou've pondered these things
that you saw in the sky thosecouple nights, what are your
thoughts?
Why do you think God showedthose things to you?

I think, as far as what I am allowed to share
publicly, I think that he wantedme to, yeah let's share what
you feel comfortable.

Yeah, share what you think sharing right.

But I think that he wanted me to wake up
spiritually, more than I alreadywas, and understand the
significance of Jesus Christ'sreturn to the Jews and how
imminent that is.
I think he wanted me to gain apersonal understanding and a
personal testimony of howimportant it is to know that

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Christ is going to come to theJews and how that we, as
covenant keeping members of thechurch, are going to be active
participants in that event.
That's not just something thathappens over there and we can
just say, oh yeah, don't worryabout that, that's it's not our
call yet.
Yeah, that is our call.
We need to be ready, for that'sme speaking.
I'm not speaking for the church, I'm not trying to be an

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apostle or a prophet I'm not.
But me speaking for myself isthat the Lord was trying to tell
me, and tell me to share, thatI need to be ready, and perhaps
I need to share the idea, theurgency, that we all need to be
ready for the for Christ to cometo meet the Jews.
That's a big event and that itshows how much he loves the Jews

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.
It shows, and if he loves themthat much, after all that
they've done to him all thathe's endured at their hands and
the rejection he's faced for2,000 years in their nation, he
still loves them and he's stillgoing to appear to them in
person.
We should love our fellow men,all our fellow men, that much.

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And one of the things that'sinteresting to me is I don't
remember any time in historywhere Jesus Christ has
personally visited an entirenation of unbelievers.
But he will visit the nation ofthe Jews.
He will visit them as a people.
Even though they're in theirgross state of unbelief and not
accepting who he is, he's stillgoing to visit them.
He's going to give them whatthey've always wanted a decisive

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victory over their enemies.
He's going to give them whatthey've always wanted a decisive
victory over their enemies.
He's going to give them amilitary victory over their
enemies, and then he's going toteach them the fullness of the
gospel of his Father, and he'sgoing to receive them with open
arms and a forgiving heart.

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So how much more should we dothe same?

I love that.
It's kind of interesting becauseI feel like there's always been
some people in talk of like thesecond coming, you know, being
close and the signs and all thatkind of stuff.
But I feel like there's beenthis massive flood of interest
in it lately across all allfaiths, right, like there are so

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many people that are doing theresearch and they're you know,
they're they're looking intowhat are the signs and what are
the things that have to happenin Jerusalem and what are the
things that have to happen inAmerica and what are the things
that have to have to happenwithin the church and whatever
else.
And and we're starting to seeall of this um information,
that's like compiling ittogether.
And while, yes, we don't knowthe exact day or hour that

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Christ will return, it alsospeaks in the scriptures about
you know, if you knew that athief was going to come in the
night, you would stay up andwatch and you would be ready for
it, right.
So, like, while you may notknow the exactness, you will
know as it's getting closer andcloser, and I feel like we're
starting to see a lot of thingscome forth that just show

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evidence of you know, I thinkthat it might be closer than we
realize.

I think it is.
I feel that I can feel whenPresident Nelson speaks.
Ever since he became theprophet five years ago, every
time he speaks he speaks with asense of urgency and I know he
speaks.
He speaks kindly and he speaksgently, so some people miss the
urgency.
But if you look at his face andlisten carefully to what he
says and the whisperings of theHoly Ghost, he is speaking with

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dire urgency.
He even said time is runningout, and he said that a few
years ago.
Yeah, he said something to theeffect of of do the spiritual
work necessary to find out foryourself, and please do it now.
Time is running out.
Yeah, and that was, that was afew years ago.

He said that yeah, I don't remember that.
Well, and then there's thingsand and I'm not.
So I'm not picking a date, guys, I'm yeah, and me either.

Yeah, we don't know the dates, but we right
even a certainty?

I don't know because I haven't done as much
research as what I'm sure a lotof other people have done, but I
have seen things that make mego.
Hmm, for example, have youheard of the Featherstone letter
that was put in the Georgiatemple, the Atlanta Georgia
temple time capsule?

I've heard about it.
I don't know what it was.

So this was April 6th of 1983.
Um, and when the Atlanta templewas was being built, uh, um,
members of the, of thepresidency and stuff like that,
were able, like apostles andeverything, were able to put
things in this time capsule tobe opened in 50 years, which
would be um 33, right, 2033.

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Is that 50 years?
Yeah, so, um, so in 2033, thisis supposed to be open.
They have copies of the thingsthat, like the letters and stuff
that were written and put inthere, and Featherstone's letter
, and this all has had to beapproved, um, before it was in
there, right In Featherstone'sletter I had to look it up real
quick there's this part that'slike oh, my goodness.

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So he says those of you who readthis letter meaning when it's
opened, in 2033, witnessed thesecond coming of Christ, the day
for which we have long awaited.
What a glorious experience tolive in, the day when our Lord,
our Redeemer, the very son ofGod, is reigning personally upon
the earth.
We can imagine what generalconference must be like to have

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the savior address the people.
Oh, what a blessed generationyou are and must be Like.
It's 2024.
I probably still be alive in2033.
You know what I mean.
It's like sometime in that timeperiod, what if that second

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coming really really happens?
We look at the wars that arehappening over there and we look
at where Israel's at.

You know, and you're like no, my personal
feeling is that Christ is goingto come to the Jews and rescue
them and split the Mount ofOlives, and that's a major event
, I mean that will be publiclyknown after it happens, if not
while it happens.
Because that's a massiveearthquake to split that
mountain and move it into avalley.

We're going to feel that everywhere, out of the
city, right.

It was part of the revelation.

Say again I think part of the revelation was
that it's going to basicallyopen up a gate or something like
that.
It's a big valley.

Yeah, it opens up a big valley, and the Jews
are almost to be wiped out bytheir enemies that are
surrounding them.
They have no place to go, sothey flee into that valley that
results from Christ's bleedingout of all of them.
And then they meet Jesus Christin there and they ask him what
are these marks in your hands,in your feet?
And he tells them.
He says I am the son of God.
That's in the Doctrine andCovenants, section 45, I think.

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But I have a feeling, or I feelpersonally this is just me
personally that he's going tocome to the Jews very soon and
that we know from the scripturesthat he comes to the Jews
before, considerably before, hecomes to the whole world and
burns all the wicked and ushersin his millennial reign.

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So it's possible that his, thatthat letter might've been
referring to his coming to theJews, because that is part of
his second coming.
The second coming, as theapostles have recently told us,
is a process.
It's not one singular event,it's a process.
And there's his coming to NewJerusalem, to his temple, which
New Jerusalem's not even builtyet, and then, there's coming to

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Adam-ondi-Ammon which, as faras I know, hasn't happened yet,
but it's probably getting closewhich, as far as I know, hasn't
happened yet, but it's probablygetting close.
And then there there's themajor public event that affects
the world is is coming to thejews.
That will be a major event, andthen, of course, after that, he
comes to the entire world.
Everyone sees him and thewicked are burned and the the

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people that are living the goodand honest lives are all lifted
up, and the day is tolerableeven for the heathen nations who
know no law.
They'll be lifted up in mercyand caught up to meet him.
But his coming to the jewshappens first, and that's a big
event and I believe that wemembers of the church, we need

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to be looking for that, becausewho's going to baptize the jews
when they start converting?
Right isn't going to do it allhimself, he wants.
He's going to baptize the jewswhen they start converting.
Christ isn't going to do it allhimself, he wants he's going to
.
Somebody has to organize wardsand stakes among them as they
convert.
Somebody has to build a templewith them and administer the
ordinances to them you know andcall temple workers among them.
Somebody has to help with that.
Well, us members of the churchof jesus christ of latter-day

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saints we're the only ones inthe world that have authority to
do that.
So I would imagine and I'm notsaying I'm not revealing
anything for the church, I can'tdo that, but I'm asking the
question.
It's more of a question do weneed, as members of the church,
do we need, to be prepared to belifted up before, to meet

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christ and receive instructionsand assignments from him before
he descends to the jews and thedoctrine covenant, section 45,
verses 45 through 52, itactually mentions these are they
who descend with him first.
These are the first fruits whoare christ.
Well, descend with him first tome means descending to the Jews

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, because when he comes to thetemple in New Jerusalem or when
he comes to Adam on the Alman,he isn't necessarily bringing
the hosts of heaven with him ora whole entourage of people.
He's coming in a relativelysmall setting.
But when he comes to the Jews,he's coming to an entire nation
and he's bringing people withhim who can minister to them the

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ordinances of salvation andexaltation.
Who else is that other than usand the ancient people that are
resurrected that come with too?
But we're we're coming to bemembers of the church, we that's
our job to gather israel right.
We're supposed to be part ofthat.

So we I think we need to be ready for that I
agree, yeah and yeah, and Ithink you know it's, it's.
It can be so interesting andmaybe a little scary and
exciting at the same time, to doall this research and to to put
your guesses in and, you know,to be like this was a sign and
that was a sign, what about this?
And it's great to do all ofthat, but ultimately, like, if

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it stops us from doing the work,right then we're doing it wrong
.
We need to keep doing the workwe need to stick on an active
covenant path.

Yeah, seeing these signs in the heavens and
seeing the events unfold thatare prophesied should actually
be spurring us onward to be morediligent in the work, instead
of sitting back speculatingabout, oh, it's going to be this
day or that day, no, let's justgo do the work.
Let's let the Lord find usserving in our families, serving
in our callings, serving in thetemple, sharing the gospel

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every way we possibly can.
Let's let him find us doing hiswork.
And one of the things I wantedto point out was that Jesus
Christ, all through his ministryand ever since, everything,
even in the scriptures, in hislife, always points to the
fullness of his Father.
He always said go to the Father.
He even said there's none goodbut the Father.

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He said I've come to declarethe gospel.
It's not my gospel, it's thegospel of the Father who sent me
, gospel of the father who sentme.
He wants us to offer to thepeople of the world the fullness
of his father, the highestdegree of glory, which is
celestial glory, and thecovenant path that we have
access to through the temples issomething we're supposed to
invite the whole world topartake of.

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That he never, jesus christnever said stop at me, I'm
enough enough.
He said no.
Go to my Father, to thefullness of my Father, make the
covenants with him, receiveeternal life and exaltation as
families, sealed together asfamilies.
And he showed us the covenantpath and how to do that.
If we stop at just Jesus, we'reinheriting a terrestrial degree

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of glory, and that's.
Some people only want that, andthat's better than telestial.
But christ's charge to us is toinvite everyone to celestial
glory, and not only celestialglory, but to exaltation, which
means as families inherit thefullness of the father, as
families sealed in the templeand covenant, keeping people all

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the way, way through.
And that's burned into my soul,that's written in the fleshy
tables of my heart and I feel anurgency to share it with anyone
who will listen, and evensometimes with people who won't
listen.
I mean, what other purpose dowe have right now?
This is the gathering of Israel.
President Nelson, the livingprophet, has said there's no

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more important work on the earthright now than the gathering of
Israel.
And that's what we're doing.
We're trying to do that withevery fiber of our being.

Yeah.

Well, ilyan, you're definitely a deep thinker
and we really appreciate yourthoughts and and your
experiences.
It's really cool how we kind ofhad similar, uh similar
experience.
Well, we found kind of similarthings in our adventures in life
that we weren't expecting rightum, and how they kind of relate

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to each other.

That's, that's a really cool.
That is cool.
I'm very grateful that youshared that with me.

That taught me a lot too.
Yeah.

Yeah, I think you're right, Alisha.
What you were saying is, youknow, even though certain you
know, sometimes things like thathappen.
We have to learn from thoseexperiences and from those
things and and continue tostrive to be closer to God and,
and you know, not get toodistracted from them but, uh,

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redouble our testimonies and ourefforts to do what God wants us
to do.
So, um, is there any otherthoughts, ilyan, before we wrap
things up, that you would liketo share with everybody?

Well, I suppose the the main takeaway I got from
this, from this experience, andthat I want to emphasize to the
world, is that everyone thatwill listen and those that won't
, is that Jesus Christ coming tothe Jews is a major event and
that happens before he comes tothe whole world, and it's a

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testament of how much he lovesthe Jews.
And if he loves the Jews thatmuch, then we should love all
our fellow man.
We want to be like Jesus, so welearn to be forgiving and learn
to build other people upinstead of tearing them down,
whatever.
In any way we can try to buildup people and point them to

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Christ and point them to thefullness of his Father.
I want to tell you that I knowby experience, I know through
the witness of the Holy Ghost,that the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints is the onlytrue and living church on the
earth.
It has a quorum of 12 apostles,just like Jesus organized.
It has the priesthood authorityto administer the ordinances of

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the gospel, salvation andexaltation in the highest degree
of glory, which is exaltationor godhood in the celestial
kingdom that can't be foundanywhere else.
I testify of that in the nameof Jesus Christ, amen.

Amen, wow.
Well, thank you so much, ilyan,for you know, being open to
coming on and sharing you know,your story and your thoughts and
stuff.
I I always love hearing stories, but I also love having
conversations, and so this wasjust super edifying and kind of
little little, another littlefire under me to like, hey, yeah

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, like, start looking into thisstuff more you know, but also
start doing more you know.
Just I I love what you said inthe beginning of the show was
that you're, you're living this,you know, temple going
lifestyle.
I think that's just the coolestthing, um, and I think, as long
as we keep going and we keep,you know, looking for ways, ways

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to build our testimonies todraw closer to the Savior, that
we'll be able to recognize whenChrist is here and what exactly
he needs for us to do before,during and after his arrival,
whenever that may be Maybe it'llbe before 2033.
I don't know, but maybe betweennow and then we just keep, you

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know, doubling our efforts asmuch as we can to share light
and gather Israel and just be anexample of him as much as we
can, until he can come and showeveryone how it's done the right
way.
All right, well, elian, thankyou again for coming on today.

Thank you for having me on.
It's been a real blessing.
It's a miracle to me.
It's an answer to prayer andfasting for years that you were
available and willing to do this.
I appreciate it very much.
Thank you, you're good.

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And also be sure to check outthe description, because we're

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going to have some links ofIlians.
We're going to include somepictures that you guys can take
a look at.
He's got his book up.
If you want to go grab yourselfa copy, you know you can reach
out to him If you have any.

Actually, one thing I wanted to mention real
quick is that I'm willing tosend free PDF copies to anyone
that asks for it.
I want to make this available.
It's that important.
I'm not here to make money onthis.
I want to make people's thatimportant.
I'm not here to make money onthis.
I want to make people's livesimprove.
I want their testimonies togrow.
I want them to get on thecovenant path and stay there and

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be blessed by the Lord in everyway possible.
Awesome, you can email me.
You can put my email in thereif you want.
Ilyanlevanway at gmailcom.
They can email me.
I'll send a free PDF copy.
Also, I sent you some linksthat you can add to my Facebook
group.
They can download free copiesright off my Facebook group.
It's called Second Coming ofJesus Christ and there's links

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for that you can put there.

Okay.

Yeah, I want this to be available to everyone
.

Awesome, and if anyone has like another
affirmation for Ilyan, maybe yousaw your own petroglyphs, or
maybe all means teach me.

I'm open to insights.
Teach me more.

Very cool.

All right.
Well, thanks again, alien, forbeing on the show and thanks for
everyone tuning in, and we willsee you next week with another
episode.
Tell them, take care.
Bye-bye, thank you, bye-bye.

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