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Scott Brandley (00:06):
Hey everyone, I'm Scott Brandley.

Alisha Coakley (00:08):
And I'm Alisha Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
instill faith, invite growth andinspire others.

On today's episode we're going to hear how
divorce, custody battles andeven homelessness taught one
woman how to turn life's stormsinto her purpose.
Welcome to Latter-day Lights.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Latter-day

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Lights.
We're so glad you're here withus today.
We're really excited tointroduce our special guest,
bethany Harger, to the show.
Bethany, welcome.

Bethany Harger (00:49):
Hi thanks.

Yeah, thanks for reaching out to us.
We always love when we don'thave to go track people down.
It's always like a nice oneless thing that we have to do,
so we really appreciate it.

How did you find the show Bethany?

thing that we have to do, so we really
appreciate it.
How did you find the show,bethany?
I saw a post that Alicia had onFacebook, and it came up just
as I had been receiving somepromptings that it was time to
start speaking and being alittle bit more vocal about my
story I needed.
There was a time that I neededto hide the story, and then

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there was which is part of whatyou'll hear today and then about
a year, that I chose to hidefrom it, and so when I saw
Alicia's post asking for storiesof Latter-day Saints, I decided
to reach out.

Awesome, that is really cool, and I'm excited
because your story has so manydifferent facets and avenues and
I just feel like there's goingto be so many different people
that can resonate with differentparts of your story.
So I think it's going to be youknow, it's just going to be a
great episode, I just know it.

Well, I hope so.

Yeah.
So why don't you tell us beforeyou start with your story and
everything like that?
Why don't you tell us just alittle bit about yourself?

Well, my name is Bethany and I grew up in
Phoenix, Arizona.
I am the youngest of sixchildren.
Five of us are living.
My mom had a full termstillborn about 18 months before
me.
I spent the majority of my lifein in Phoenix.
I lived overseas in SaudiArabia for a couple of years

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with my parents when I wasyounger yeah, that was, that was
a really fun experience.
And then I served a mission formy church.
I went to Chicago and I servedSpanish speaking and I left the
Midwest.
I absolutely loved my missionand I said I would never, ever

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live in the Midwest againbecause of the cold and the
weather and the humidity and allthe things.
I was born in the church from.
Both parents, come from pioneerheritage, went through a series
of life storms that ultimatelybrought me back to the Midwest
and I now live in SouthwesternIowa and just a little small

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town to the Midwest and I nowlive in Southwestern Iowa and
just a little small town.

Wow, that's really cool.
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of theMidwest.
Well, I guess I'm not a fan ofhumidity.
That's probably just moreaccurate.
So anything that falls intothat humidity range I'm not a
fan.
I don't like to sweat.

I agree.

For any reason, like to sweat, I agree.
For any reason.
I don't like beinguncomfortable, yeah.
So I don't know if I can makeit back there, but I guess, if
the Lord calls me really loudly,like, really loudly, like with
a megaphone, then maybe I'll doit.

This was pretty loud and unmistakable, so it's
ended up being a huge, a hugeblessing in my life.

Awesome.
Well, we're excited to hearmore about that, so we'll just
go ahead and turn the time overto you.
Why don't you tell us whereyour story begins?

My story kind of begins when I was in my early
20s and I returned home from mymission.
I had gone a little bit laterbecause I was determined I was
just going to get married.
I didn't want to serve amission, and that didn't happen.
I heard the spirit tell me thatI would get married after I
served a mission.
So I decided to go ahead and goso that I could come home and

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get married.

I served a mission.

So I decided to go ahead and go, so that I could
come home and get married.
That was all I ever reallywanted was to be a wife and a
mom, and that was.
I felt like that was what I wascalled to do in this life, and
it wasn't for me.
That wasn't a cultural thingbeing raised in the church.
It was what my heart desired.
That was really what I wanted.
So I got home from my missionand I met a return missionary

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and we were married in thetemple and unexpectedly, I got
pregnant right away.
So just before our firstanniversary, I had our first
child.
He's my only son, and a yearafter that 13, in fact, 13
months of the day I had mysecond, which was my little girl

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and my first girl.
And then, um, when she was fourmonths old, my mom passed away.
And at the time that my mompassed away uh, it's probably
when my story really began Istarted struggling pretty
severely with depression Ishouldn't say started.

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The depression and anxiety thatI had had just became worse.
It wasn't something that wasreally looked at when I was a
child, because they didn't know.
I can look back at my childhoodand it's very clear what was
going on with me, but it wasn'treally known.
My husband at the time took mymom's death pretty hard.

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They were very close.
He was loved by everybody in myfamily.
He was super charming andcharismatic and between the
struggles that he had, whichwere a lot of addictions, um, he
struggled with multipleaddictions and eventually

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started.
He went back to things thathappened before his mission.
Um, in addition to alcohol, uh,prescription pain pills, uh.
Later, which was after wedivorced, it became smoking
marijuana, which was formedicinal purposes, but became
it was constant.
I it's hard to justify constantit was.

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There was really no breaks fromthe stories that I would hear
from my children.
So before our divorce I was Idon't even think, I can't even
say that I was surviving.
You know we talk aboutsurviving, thriving.
I was existing, my heart beatand I was breathing and that was
the extent I spent.

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The majority of my time wasspent in bed.
I would get up to go to work,which I work nights, and then I
would just come home and go backto bed.
I would get up to go to work,which I worked nights, and then
I would just come home and goback to bed.
By this point, I had had mythird child, which was my second
daughter, and she grew up.
Her first few years were spentnext to me in bed watching
cartoons.

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That was the extent of what Ifelt I could give to my family,
and at the time I prayedregularly that they would know
that I loved them.
That was I can't say, in anyreal sense of the term, that I
was a good mom at the time.
I just wasn't.

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I didn't have the tools andresources that I needed to be
the mom that I had alwaysdreamed of being.
So, by by 2013, I was divorcedfrom my first husband and then I
went through single parenthoodwith three young children.
I had a I think it was 11, and6 at the time, or 10, 11, and 6.

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They were little and so thrownback into the workforce.
I had been working, but now Iwas working solely for my, you
know, with just by myself, andbefore I had worked at night so
that I could still be homeduring the day, although that
wasn't super effective because Istill wasn't a very.
You know, I wasn't productiveduring the day, although that

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wasn't super effective because Istill wasn't a very, you know,
I wasn't productive during theday.
So a couple of years later, Iended up meeting somebody else
and I was remarried in 2015.
And I was 40 at the time and Ibecame pregnant.
Wow, which was exciting.
We wanted to have a baby.
Wow, which was exciting.

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We wanted to have a baby.
I had been told I couldn't haveany more children after my
third.
I'd had multiple miscarriagesover the years.
And so here I was, 40 and newlymarried and pregnant, and my
second husband had.
He was on the autism spectrumand had some mental health
struggles, but not the severitythat I knew when we got married.
And the first year of ourmarriage was pretty fantastic.

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So I was pregnant.
It was fantastic in the senseof our relationship was pretty
great.
He did an amazing job takingcare of me I had.
There were so many strugglesduring the pregnancy, um,
because of his mental health andthe disability that went along
with it.
I knew that I, um, I was goingto be the primary breadwinner

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and I was okay with that becausehe was.
He was really so good to me.
So I had started college, um,and during the time that I was
pregnant, all three of my olderkids got walking pneumonia to
some extent.
They were so sick.
I was horribly sick.
21 weeks pregnant, I had anemergency abdominal surgery.

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My gallbladder was almost tothe point of rupturing.
Nobody was really looking at mygallbladder by know.
By the time I was in surgery,my surgeon said haven't you been
sick?
And I'm like, yeah, I'mpregnant.
They just kept giving memedications for nausea, like so,
um, 21 weeks along, and I had,uh, an abdominal, an emergency

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abdominal surgery, which shesurvived, and, um, but I
continued to be really sick.
I went into preterm labor at 31weeks.
I didn't know that you could bein labor for eight weeks, but I
was in labor for eight weeks,in and out of the hospital.
Um, ultimately she came at 39weeks and she was healthy and

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she did great.
Uh, I Two of the children of myolder kids were suffering
pretty significantly from mentalhealth struggles and then my
husband's mental health begandeclining.
But because he had been so goodto me in the beginning, I could
see who he really was and so itkind of snuck up on me slowly

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and then would get itprogressively got worse.
So in the summer of 2019, wehad come back to Iowa.
So my husband is from Iowa andwe had come back for his 25th
high school graduation thereunion, fifth high school

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graduation, the reunion and hewas not coming back home with me
.
We were separating to try andget my bearings, but I was
really really close.
I am still really close to hismom.
She was one of my biggestadvocates and best friends and I
ended up having a mentalbreakdown.
I just stayed here for I stayedin Iowa for a month and this is
I was living in Phoenix or theEast Valley, in Chandler,

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metropolitan Phoenix.
I was living there, stayed inIowa for a month.
That meant leaving mythree-year-old with my newly
18-year-old daughter in charge,and it was a lot.
But my kids just knew that Ineeded it and so they rallied
around at home and made so.

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I had a 19, 18 and 12 year oldat the time, or 13.
Newly, newly adult children,you know, plus the preteen and
then the baby newly adultchildren, you know, plus the
preteen and then the baby.

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So I stayed in Iowa for about amonth and then I returned home
and I was introduced to some, toa friend.
She wasn't a friend at the time, but I was introduced to this
woman and she introduced me towhat's called the Fusion U
program, which was a nonprofitorganization in the East Valley
in Arizona that offered servicesthat had like coaching and
mental wellness.
They did a lot of creativeprocessing and it was with the

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idea that if you can empower awoman, you empower communities,
and so this was a six monthprogram that I went through that
kind of opened my mind to thepower of our thoughts and it's I
started to feel more empoweredwithin my circumstances, and

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this girl, shawnee, that hassince become one of my closest
friends.
She encouraged me to listen tothe rare faith podcasts, which
rare faith is ultimately whereAlicia and I connected.

Yes.

And so I just I started listening to this
podcast and I just was absorbingit, Like it was this language
that my soul knew, but I hadforgotten and I love that
description of it.

I will a hundred percent vouch.
That is exactly the way that Ifeel.
Yeah, it's, that's awesome.
Sorry to interrupt, so go ahead.

Oh, no, it is.
It was.
It truly was like this languagethat I feel like my spirit had
forgotten, and as soon as it wasintroduced to it, it just, it
couldn't get enough.
Um, and it correlated with mybeliefs.
I didn't feel like there wasanything outside of what I
already believed and in fact, itwas helping me in my testimony

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of what I believed in.
And so, during this time, Igraduated magna cum laude, when
I was 44 and had been through somany challenges.
So having got through school infour years was a huge feat in
itself, and I felt like my wholeentire world was finally

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opening, like it was justopening up for me, as I was in
my first internship.
But COVID shut that world down.
It didn't just shut it down forme, it shut it down for
everybody.
So, literally, the world wasshut down and that world that I
felt like I was finally figuringout was gone and my internship

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closed because they didn'treally need a remote intern.
And so here I am.
I had no clue.
I had no clue where I was goingor what I was supposed to do,
and at the time I was um.
So if you're familiar withPhoenix, arizona, it's hot and
um, because of how sick I waswhen I was pregnant and all that

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I was trying to navigate.
We had moved in with my sisterwhen I was when I was still
pregnant with my littlest and soat this time, by the time I
graduated, we had converted thegarage to like a room.
So I was living in a garagewith my husband and then the
kids were in the main part ofthe house with my sister and we

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went back and forth, but it wasstill a garage, like our bedroom
, had the garage door overopener, above my bed.
It just we made do, but it'swhat I needed to do to get
through school and it felt likeit was worth that sacrifice.
And so at this point, I'm likethere's no point.
Everything that I just did wasno point, because I don't even

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know what I'm going to do atthis point with my degree,
because I was now 45 years old,trying to enter a new career
field in the middle of apandemic, and it just was not
the best recipe for what Iwanted for my family.
But I had continued listeningto Leslie Householder's work,

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reading her books, holding on tothe things that I was learning
and in May of 2020, I attendedmy first Genius Bootcamp, which
is a three-day workshop that shefacilitates, and all I wanted
was to not live in this garageanymore.
I just wanted my own place anda job and I wanted to take care

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of my family.
I started applying what I hadlearned in Genius Bootcamp and I
just did one principle afteranother.
And in the summer of 2020 iswhen I moved across the country
to Iowa and there's a wholestory behind that, but it would
just make this long, but it wasa God thing that said, this is

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where I needed to be.
I truly felt that by livingclose to my mother-in-law, that
it would heal my marriage andhelp us get back to where we had
been.
And so I moved from Arizona toIowa in the middle of this
pandemic, with no resources, nojob prospects, and I was buying
a house, like I was undercontract in a house.

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So I felt like I figured thisout, like I can live these rare
faith principles and I can usefaith and achieve my dreams.
I felt like I was on top of theworld.
But the very first night wewere exhausted.
Three days of traveling and Igo to put my daughter my

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littlest she was four by thistime I go to put her in the bath
and there is no water runningto the bathtub.
So, the only other thing that wehad was a shower upstairs which
it's not easy to shower afour-year-old shower upstairs,
which it's not easy to shower afour-year-old, and that led to

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again I'm giving cliff notes ofkind of each thing along the way
but between the water issuesthere was housing issues.
The contract that I was underended up being an illegal
contract because the deed to thehouse was left and it was stuck
in a bankruptcy.
We couldn't close on the houseanyway.
So I thought, oh, and in themiddle of this my husband had

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just, he was completely um, theemotional and verbal abuse had
become so extensive that I couldno longer keep him in the home,
and so we we separatedpermanently.
At that point, um and his I, hismom, came and picked him up and
I want to emphasize that,whereas my first divorce, there

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was choices made that he madechoices that led to what
happened and I did too, not thathe was the only one at fault,
but there was actual, you know,just choices made from a clear
mind.
In my second marriage he hassevere mental health issues, and
so I am so grateful, because Ihad that year with him, that I

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saw who this man was when themental health wasn't out of
control, and that's actuallyimportant as I go down into what
happened with the custodydispute.
So my littlest was four at thetime and my 14-year-old had come
to Iowa.
My older two, my oldest twokids were living on their own at

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this point college and theywere adults and doing the young
adult thing on their own.
So ultimately we had to leavethis house that I was in.
So now I was single again.
I was still struggling withjobs.
I was doing contract work and Iwas self-employed.
So there was some stuff, but itwas still just a really hard

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time and we ended up moving intoanother home in a rental in a
little town called Avoca, andduring this time we were
preparing my oldest daughter forher mission, so she had come to
stay with us.
We moved her out of college.
She came to stay with us beforeher mission, but we started
having another set of plumbingissues.

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It got to the point that we hadthe sewer was leaking into the
walls, the ceiling caved in.
In my five-year-old's room I'vegot my daughter MTCing upstairs
and there's black moldsdownstairs and the advice was
that I needed to get my childrenout before the cold hit because

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it wasn't safe to live thereany longer.
Wow, it was about this timethat my oldest tried to take his
life.
He was in Georgia.
I was also learning of thesignificant mental health
struggles of my 14-year-old.
I couldn't take care of both.

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So my ex-husband and his newwife drove to Georgia and got my
oldest out of the hospital anddrove him back to Arizona.
While I'm trying to get my onedaughter on a mission, we need
to leave the house that we werein.
Daughter on a mission, we needto leave the house that we were

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in and the severity of what wewere dealing with with my 14
year old felt more than I couldreally more than I could do.
I I desperately needed to feelsome peace, and so I called up
my Relief Society president whoby this time was a really close
friend of mine and I asked herif I could come for her husband
to give me a blessing.
And so I went over there oneevening and I told him.

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I said I just need to find somepeace, I need something to work
out.
And so, as he gave me thisblessing, he did not tell me
what I wanted to hear.
And he said that the peace Iwas looking for was not going to
come and that I needed to learnto find the peace in within and

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develop that.
How, oh my gosh.
And when he ended the prayer,it was just silence.
And I looked at him and I saidthat's not what I wanted to hear
.
And he was tear filled eyes.
He says that's not what Iwanted to say.
So I left that night.

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Um, I can't say that I leftfeeling better.
In fact, it felt really heavy,because I'm like how do I I
don't know how to find peace?
Um, we didn't have there was nomore housing prospects.
We didn't know what we weregoing to do.
I mean, it wasn't even likethere was something there that I

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couldn't afford.
There was just nothing.
And my 14 year old had becomeso integrated in our youth group
here in in Iowa, our youngwomen's group.
She threatened me to not moveback.
She did not want to go back toArizona, which was shocking that
that's why we were staying wasthis girl that had become just

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enmeshed within our youngwoman's group, and so the
decision for her sake was tostay, and I was trusting that my
son in Arizona was going to getwhat he needed.
And we were in contact.
You know, I was in contact withhim through the time, but
without anywhere to go.
We had to get out of this house.
My 14-year-old ended up goingto stay with a young woman's

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president Um, but withoutanywhere to go, and we had to
get out of this house.
Uh, my 14 year old ended upgoing to stay with a young
woman's president.
I actually can't remember ifshe had been released yet or not
, but she had been a youngwoman's president earlier and
she was good friends with them.
Because I had to move in with mymother-in-law with my little,
and she has this little 900square foot house.
There was actually the basementhas square footage also, but my
brother-in-law lived there, andso upstairs there was two

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bedrooms, one bath, just alittle really small home, and my
six-year-old and I begansharing.
We just shared a twin size bedin the corner of the sewing room
and we really thought it wasgoing to be just a few weeks, it
was just going to be reallytemporary.
It ended up being eight monthsand eventually my 14-year-old

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came to live with us and so inthe little tiny corner of this
room I shared bunk beds with.
My 16-year-old was on top andmyself and the six-year-old were
on the bottom, and it wasreally hard, but there were so
many nights that I would nevergive up the conversations that

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were had.
I mean, who gets to sit underyour 16-year-old and laugh in
the middle of the night while?
trying to shush so that thelittle one doesn't get woke up
by this point.
I had made the decision to filefor divorce, so I'm living with
my mother-in-law whiledivorcing her son, and you know

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it, always what she and I liketo talk about is that it's weird
, that it's not weird.
So there was never a singleargument, there was never a
single altercation.
How many people can stay thatlong?
I mean, it's hard for a lot ofpeople to go to dinner with a
mother-in-law, let alone withthem.

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And she was amazing.
There were times that we allkind of retreated to our own
little corners to avoid thecontention, but it was an
amazing time.
We have such amazing memories.
So now I'm in the middle of mysecond divorce and I am the girl
that was going to grow up and Iwas going to get married in the

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temple and I was going to be astay-at-home mom and that was my
dream and that was allshattered.
It was just completelyshattered.
And alongside this, I had becomea rare faith facilitator and so
I get to go and now I'mteaching genius boot camps and
I'm telling people about how youcan use these principles to

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reach your dreams and to fulfillyour dreams and you can draw
closer to your heavenly father.
And then I would shut thosezoom rooms down and I would just
go to bed because what was likeI felt like the biggest fraud.
I'm sitting here telling people.
I either felt like a fraud or Ifelt really angry, like why do

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I have to teach this to otherpeople?
And I felt like I needed tokeep teaching it.
Like it was this I was justcalled.
I couldn't let it go, and yet myfamily was suffering like
suffering.
But I decided that I was goingto write a relationship vision,

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and so I at this point I was, Iwas filing for divorce and I
wanted I post dated it causeit's some.
It's just a principle that weteach within rare faith, and I
put it far enough out that itwould feel believable, but not
so far out that it wouldn't beachievable, like I just felt,

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like I would never get there.
And so it was about the fall of2021.
And I wrote the date at the topJuly 31st 2023.
I am so happy and grateful to bein a healthy marriage
relationship.
And then I went on.
It was, you know, about twopages long, and I wrote

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everything that I just wouldreally love to experience in
every aspect of a marriage andin every aspect of a
relationship, and it was reallyparticular to make sure that I
wrote it in a way that wouldallow my husband to step into
that space if he chose to be.
So I wasn't trying to rejecthim, but I really wanted to be
in a healthy marriage.

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The divorce continued and then,out of left field, my
ex-husband in Arizona decided tofile for custody and have my
16-year-old removed from me, andso for all of 2022, I was going

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through a custody dispute intwo states with two men, and I
needed to hire two differentattorneys.
For part of that time, I wasalso homeless.
Our joke is that we werehomeless, but not roofless.
We had a roof over our head, butwe didn't have a place of our
own and I went through a barrageof character attacks.

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I would need to sit in thisvirtual courtroom.
Because I was able to do it,Thankfully for COVID.
That was.
One of the good things withCOVID is how much was able to go
virtual, so I didn't have tokeep flying back to Arizona.
But my daughter had made itvery, very clear that if she had
to live with her dad, she wouldend her life, and so it wasn't

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like I was just fighting forcustody.
I was trying to keep her alive.
Um, I had, when I say that,this blessing of living in Iowa.
I've never been enveloped bythe kind of love that my
community and my ward familyprovided.

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Here the resources continue toshow up.
Um, I've really never witnessedanything like it.
It's one thing when youexperience that from your family
, because I feel like yourfamily has to right.
That's what they do but whenit's just people that see your
potential and nothing else,because there wasn't anything

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else to see at that time exceptpotential, I experienced God's
love in an entirely differentway, and there was a day that my
daughter and I had got intotown from the town that we were
living in.
We had to go into the city todo some shopping, and I remember

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feeling like what is the pointof like everything was falling
apart, like the whole world wasjust falling down around me, and
while we had been driving, wenoticed that someone had set
fires.
And so it was.
This was maybe February ish, soit was really dry outside.

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It had it had been a really, um, cold, dry winter, and so it
was really dry outside.
It had it had been a reallycold, dry winter, and so it was
just stark and brown.
And then I had I, on my own,had to go back into the city
probably a month later, and thenwe had had our first rain for
spring.
And as I was driving home, Inoticed that these patches that
had previously been black werethis lush, thriving green, and

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it was so stark right up next tothe brown dead grass that
hadn't been affected by the fire.
And I remember thinking Iwonder if the Lord is just
clearing my path like thiscontrolled burn, so to speak, so
that growth could happenquicker than if.
If that didn't happen and Ikind of held on to that one

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little thought and I I wroteabout it and took a picture,
because it was a pretty amazingpicture.
Um, I ended up moving.
We finally moved out into, uh,another little tiny town and it
was not the best house, it waskind of it just really wasn't,

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it was gross, but it was oursand we finally, like we were on
our own and I had told I hadwritten in the process, I had
written a goal statement that Ineeded to have, like I needed to
have my own place by July 1st.
I needed to have somethingfigured out by July 1st.
And I remember on June 30th sothe night before July 1st, I was
just crying with a friend andI'm like I can't do this anymore

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, and she said, bethany, it'snot July 1st and I said it's
June 30th.
And I said it's June 30th, it'slike 6 pm and she said I know
it's not July 1st and in rarefaith we have this thing.

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It's from the books we say it'snot Tuesday yet, so she was
using that against me because itwas not July 1st.
Well, july 1st came andsomething popped up and I signed
a lease on July 1st and we wereable to have yeah.

Wow.

She loves to use this.
The July 1st incident is whatyou know.
We like to laugh about that.
So we did.
We had our own place and itwasn't the greatest, but it was
ours and we just were overjoyed.
My divorce finalized with myfive-year-old or six she was six
by this time and I was givenfull legal and physical custody

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and my ex-husband got neededsupervised visits and this was
nothing short of miraculous.
And this was nothing short ofmiraculous.
I've been told by my attorney,other attorneys that I've met
and parents that they do notgive full custody here.
It's just unheard of, honestly,short of pedophilia involved,

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they don't give full custody,even if abuse is involved.
And to have received this, likeI said, it was miraculous
because we never had DCFSinvolvement.
This this came without everhaving to put my little through
the trauma that would have hadto have happened in order to get

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this kind of custody, and so itwas one of those things that
popped up.
That was this huge miracle, um,but I was still involved in the
custody dispute in with myex-husband in Arizona, um, so in
February February of 2023, wehad, um a mental health incident

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and my daughter washospitalized, and when I got her
out of the hospital, I justneeded a break.
So this friend that I'm talkingabout July 1st, she said it's
not July 1st, she lives inMissouri.
And she said just come, like,just get away and come here.
And so I had made all of thearrangements my little was going

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to go stay with grandma and myteenager and I were going down
to Missouri for to stay forabout a week.
But it got postponed by about aweek because I went home, told
my daughter, let's go for a walk.
We went on a walk and I slippedon ice and got a concussion.
It was this little tiny patchof ice and my feet went up and I

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don't hardly remember exceptthat I I mean, that's the point
of a concussion you don't have alot of the memory.
So we did ultimately end upgetting to, we got to Missouri
and when we were going to churchwith her I just kept feeling
like I needed to ask for ablessing, which felt weird

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because her husband's not amember and so I don't know
anybody here.
But I finally said you knowwhat, jimmy, I think that I need
a blessing.
So it happened to be when wewere at church that the there
was a high councilman that wasspeaking in her ward that day is
the same one that that taughther temple prep classes.
And she says that's the one.
And so he gave me a blessingand I don't remember me a

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blessing and I don't remember.
All he knew about me was that Iwas.
I was a single mom who wasstruggling and just needed some
time away.
That was the extent of what heknew about my story, and I
should back up just a little bit.
Once my, once my divorce wasfinalized, I had been separated
by that point for about twoyears, so it wasn't, and I had
been working on myself, I'd beenworking on my emotional healing

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, and so it wasn't like it wasall new, it was just the
paperwork.
At that end, and man, one of myfriends in my ward was all over
it.
She had actually created LDSsingle mingles.
It's a Marco Polo, but she wasthe founder of it.
Now, at this point, she had letgo of it because she was
remarried.
But she's like Bethany, we gotto get you hooked up, we got to

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get.
And I said, no, I'm done, likeI'm done with men.
I just I can't.
I mean, I just gone through it.
I'm still in the middle of thischaracter attack with one I'd
gone through with the first oneI said I'm done, I don't, I
can't.
So now I'm in Missouri and Iasked for this blessing.
And in the middle of hisblessing he kind of paused and I

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knew that he was being guidedby the spirit because there were
words that he said that I hadwritten in my journal two days
before, sitting on the bed in myfriend's house.
I was journaling and so I knewthat he wasn't just saying words
like.
There's no way that he couldhave known that those words came
from inside of me two daysbefore.
And so he paused and he told me.

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He said the Lord does not wantme to give up on all my dreams
of marriage and that everythingI had been wanting was on its
way and that everything I hadbeen wanting was on its way.
And it was so shocking the waythat he because it really wasn't
the direction of the blessing,and so he paused he says this
piece and then he goes rightback to what he was before.

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And I was so shocked.
I'm sitting in there and Iopened my eyes because, even
though we're in the middle ofthe blessing and I look in front
of me and my daughter and myfriend have these huge eyes like
, oh my gosh, she's going tolose it, she's going to leave
the room.
And then we all closed our eyesand he finished the blessing
and we just loved our time thereand then we went back home and

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that was it.
But I kept feeling like I neededto listen to the blessing and
kind of step back into thedating world and there's a lot
of that backstory before thewhole dating.
But it's it.
It shows how much I really justdidn't want.
I had lost.

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I had lost the hope of allthose dreams.
At this point I am, you know,late 40s and I've been alone for
a long time.
Even in my marriages I was justalone most of the time, even if
we were laying in the same bedor sleeping in the same room.

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The loneliness was justconsuming and I I just didn't
want.
I would rather have been lonelyand alone than lonely in a
marriage.

Yeah.

It was.
It was better that way.

Yeah.

And so I really only stepped back into dating
because of this blessing and Ifelt like I should at least
stepped back into dating becauseof this blessing and I felt
like I should, at least I shouldat least try.
And I remember one time I wasdriving it was shortly after
this.
I was back home, but I was.
I was so mad and I'm like no,heavenly Father, you don't get

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to tell me this.
Like, you don't get to openthis door to all my dreams.
You're going to have to justput this guy in front of me.
He's just going to have to showup in front of me.
And that kind of happened.
I just I made some poor choiceswhen I got back into the dating
world.
I just, I mean, nothing wascatastrophic.
I just probably went on somedates I shouldn't have gone on

(40:20):
with, men that I shouldn't havegone out with.
But I had just felt like youknow what I did the LDS men, and
that didn't work out so good.
So I don't care, like, if he'sgoing to treat me with respect
at this point, like I'll, I'llgo out with anybody, but they,
you know, as long as they cantreat me with respect.

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Now, remember, I've got thisvision that was kind of in the
background.
I had written it a year and ahalf before, or more than that
before then.
And then the end of May so theend of May 2023, I was supposed
to be going to Arizona.
I was going to trial with myex-husband and I heard back from

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my attorney that the reportfrom the court appointed advisor
, which is a forensicpsychologist that had been
appointed by the judge tointerview all of the parties.
There was a lot of he said, shesaid, and so it's hard for a
judge to discern.
So they'll times, they'll put aforensic psychologist to kind

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of make some determinations.
And that report came back theweek before my trial and it
corroborated everything that Ihad said.
It said that it was about a13-page report, but within that
it suggested that the fatherreceived intervention and help
and that he was unable to fullyunderstand the severity of the

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mental health.
And so I was planning to go totrial.
It was a two day trial or anall day trial or an all day
trial.
It was going to be a long, along trial.
And I now the litigation wasover, his attorney reached out

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to my my attorney and asettlement was reached by this
point.
My daughter was 17.
She was less than a year beforeher 18th birthday, and so it
was.
And so it was.
It was determined that allvisits should stop and until if
and when her mental health careteam deemed it appropriate.
We knew that that just wasn'tgoing to happen before she was
18, and so I knew that I wasfinally free, like I just felt,

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like I could keep this littlegirl you know, she's not little,
she's 17, but it Bothlitigations at that point were
over.
We just needed to sign theactual agreement that had been
brought up.
I had had a lot of conversationswith God.
I remembered this July 31st.

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I said I cannot hold on, Ican't hold on to this dream, I
can't hold on to this past July31st.
And I said I cannot hold on, Ican't hold on to this dream, I
can't hold on to this past July31st.
And the answer that I felt backwas that's enough, like that
was okay.
And so, as a facilitator forrare faith, one of the things
that we teach is called guidedmindset mastery, which is have
you done it, alicia?

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I'm doing it right now.
Which?
is have you done it, Alicia?
I'm doing it right now.
It's amazing.

So good, it is so good yeah.

It is Now.
The curriculum is written in away that's to achieve financial
goals, because that was Leslieand Trevin's pain point when it
was written, but it can beapplied to any goal.
And so I was teaching a guidedmindset mastery and I had
decided that I had a veryintentional goal and that was

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that by the end of the guidedmindset mastery which happened
to just be just before July thatI would be in a healthy
relationship, and I figured bythis point it wouldn't have been
a marriage relationship becauseI would need time to get to
know the person and all of thatwas.
It just felt like there wasn'tenough time for that.

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But I would have been okay, Iwould have felt like the dream
was realized if I was just in ahealthy relationship that was
moving towards marriagerelationship.
That was moving towardsmarriage, which is when this
dating chaos.

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It was crazy.
I didn't really date before myfirst marriage.
He was the first person I datedand then I only dated a couple
of people and then I married mysecond husband.
So I wasn't like dater, likethat wasn't a thing for me, and
I was really self-conscious andum, so it was very odd for me to
like like this speed dating.
It was and I was just again, Iwas, finally, I was just done

(44:59):
and I was, I felt, I just feltso lost and I was so angry.
I call them dear father letters, where I just write these
letters to my Heavenly Fatherand I feel like it's more
productive for me than justprayer.
I feel like it's just morepersonal and I receive the
revelation better.

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But, this one was angry.
It was a hate letter to God.
Angry.
It was a hate letter to God andI I'm so grateful to understand
that he is a heavenly father.
And how many times, how manytimes have you had the door
slammed in your face with yourteenager telling you that they
hated you?
Like it just happens, whenyou're a parent, you're going to

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have a kid at some point.
Tell you that they hate you,and I feel like that's how he
sees us when we're throwing ourlittle temper tantrums.
It's like I know, I know, likehe can just he can take it.
He can totally take it.
So I wrote this whole hateletter and then I I burned it,

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cause I do these.
I kind of combined that with theright and burn activity and I
burned it.
Because I do these, I kind ofcombined that with the right and
burn activity and I burned itand I just sat there and I took
this big breath and I heard thewords enter my mind Even if you
see me that way, will you stillserve me?
And I went to bed that nightfeeling so defeated Like I just

(46:24):
I didn't want to do it anymore.
But I was an ordinance workerand I had a shift the next
morning.
So I got up the next morning,um, actually I was not going to
go to my shift the next morningcause I didn't have enough gas
money.
And I'm like see, I can'tactually serve you because I
don't have enough gas money.
Like this little belligerent I'msuch a belligerent child

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Sometimes.
That was me growing up.
You are a redhead, I mean.
So this is actually not natural, but I I do carry the redhead
gene.
I have a redhead.
My, my son is I.
I hold it with pride.
I think that I wear it well.
That's actually a joke in ourfamily.

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So I went to bed feeling likeI'm not going to be able to go
to my shift because there's notenough gas in my car and I
received a message from my 17year old upstairs that said hey,
are you going to your shifttomorrow?
I know you don't have gas, Ihave $17.
So my daughter's last $17 wasput into my car so that I could

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drive the hour to the temple andgo serve in my shift.
And the level.
She's so sweet, she's such agood kid.
But I was still like I wasn'tfeeling a lot of hope.
But I was still like I I wasn'tfeeling a lot of hope.
But for one of my rotations Iwas the.
I was just at the front desktaking temple recommends Um, and

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so there tends to be a lot oflike quiet time.
You know, you kind of get therush of people coming in.
And so I pulled out the book ofMormon, decided to just open it
and see if there was anythingthat the Lord wanted to say.
So I just flip the flip.
The scriptures open and my eyesland on the verse at the top of
the page on the left-hand side,which was fourth Nephi, one 11.

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And it said and they weremarried and given in marriage
and were blessed, according tothe multitude of promises which
the Lord had made unto him, untothem.
And it was clear that was beingspoken to me, but it just I'm
like really, I said July 31stand we're pushing June, like I

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just I couldn't see.
I mean, I could see that he wasspeaking to me but I couldn't
see past where I was.
But I was looking forward togoing to Arizona because I got
to visit friends and family andmy kids couldn't wait.
By this time I was so over likeeven the dating that I had

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pulled my name off of any of theprofiles that there are and I
was just done.
And then I got an email fromLDS Singles and I had never
purchased that, I'd never paidfor a subscription, and so it
was odd that I got this email.

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Well, I didn't know at the timethat if you remove the app from
your phone, it doesn't deleteyour profile, it just removes
the app.
They can still send you theemail notifications.
So I get this email that saysyou know, I've received a
message on my profile and youknow, click here to see the
message.
So I was like okay.
So I clicked the message, onlyfor it to say please pay for a

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subscription for you to see yourmessage.
Like are you kidding me?
I don't want the message.
That bad, I didn't want it.
I didn't care at this point.
But then there's the curiositything and I'm like you know what
?
For a single month it's $49.99.
And I felt the spirit say, justget this message, just get this

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message.

Wow.

And I was like well, I can't because I have $47
in my bank account.
Oh my gosh, and so I was like,see, I can't follow it anyway,
and I clicked it and it wentthrough.
The charge didn't show up on mycard for two weeks.
It was an in-app purchase.
I don't know why it took twoweeks, but it said thank you for

(50:38):
your purchase.
And I saw this message and this,this guy, his name Matt, and he
lived in Cedar Rapids, which isabout three and a half hours
from where I live.
The message was very clear thathe had read my profile and was
speaking to what I had written.

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So I sent a message back thatnight this is a Wednesday and
the next day he startedmessaging me through the app and
I was at a softball game for myfor my then seven year old, and
we just kept talking and Icouldn't um, I couldn't talk.

(51:22):
My little didn't know that Iwent on dates.
My youngest.
She didn't know if I went ondates, she didn't know if I was
ever talking to him in becauseshe really wanted a stepdad,
like she was determined that shewas getting a stepdad that
summer and I told her I said,honey, that's not how it works.
But she says well, I need itthis summer, like I need my

(51:43):
stepdad this summer.
I'm like a dream coach.
How am I supposed to?

like.
I just want to like her dreams.

How do I shatter her dreams?
Yeah, so I told her.
I said you know what you?
Just you write all the thingsthat you want to feel with a
stepdad.
And so she wrote it's so cuteshe has.
She sat and wrote like herlittle vision board.
She wanted him to hug, likePaul, which is a friend at
church, and she wanted, sheneeded him to be grateful and
she wanted him to love her mom.

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And she had this pinned aboveher desk, um, and I couldn't
tell her that was never going tohappen because that would
shatter her dreams.
But in my mind I'm like that'snever going to happen and she's
going to have to just learn thehard way.
Because how do you teach heryou can't use the laws of

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thought on somebody else Like itjust it was more than a seven
year old process, so she justleft it there.
So I started talking to thisthis guy on, we're just
messaging through the app, um,and he asked to call me.
Or maybe I said to call him tocall me, I don't know.
I'm sure he would have his ownversion of the whole story.

(52:59):
But, um, when Riley went to bed, uh, we started talking.
We talked late into that nightand I told him I couldn't talk.
Um, it wasn't actually latethat night.
I told him that I needed to getoff cause it was my daughter's,
my older daughter's birthday.
She was home from her missionby now and living in Provo, and
so when she called, we got offthe phone and so we started

(53:19):
talking the next night.
Um, and it was like four.30 inthe morning, 3.30 or 4.30 in the
morning, and I finally was likeI actually have to get off the
phone because my, my 17 year old, was coming home from a Nauvoo
trip and on Saturday, and I saidwe're leaving first thing
Sunday morning to drive toArizona, cause I was supposed to

(53:41):
have gone for this trial, butthe trial wasn't going through,
and so we got off the phone andthen, a couple of hours later I
got up to just use the restroomand I noticed that there was a
Marco Polo from him on my phone.
And I was like, oh, that'swhere we just got off the phone
a couple of hours ago.
And I look at it and I noticedthat he was driving.
I'm like where is he driving?

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At seven o'clock and it dawnedon me.
I'm like, oh my gosh, he's notdriving here.
And so I opened this Marco Poloand cause I could see, like you
know, it shows like a littleblurb and so I can see he was in
the car.
So this whole thought processwent on in just a couple of
seconds in my mind.
And he didn't have my address.

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But the LDS singles profilesays Portsmouth.
It just said the town I livedin.
And so he got up Saturdaymorning and had the thought,
well, he couldn't sleep.
And he had the thought go seeher.
And so I wake up just to go tothe bathroom.
He's driving like three and ahalf hours to see me.

And you guys have only spoken on the phone
once or twice.
Now twice, twice wow.

So he says I don't have to come, you don't
have to, let me come.
So I paused and like kind ofchecked in with the spirit,
because this is either spiritdriven or he's desperate, I
don't know which.
It is yet right, but timingwise, I needed to go to the city
to get some shopping done inorder to go on this cross

(55:16):
country trip with my daughters,and so I had planned for my
seven year old to go over tograndma's, and so it was just
happening to work out that hewould get there about the time
that my daughter was gone, causeI said you can't, cause he had
been.
You know, I explained to himyou can't meet my kids, like
there has to.
I can't just do that to mylittle one.
And so when I realized that thetiming was enough that he could

(55:40):
meet me, so I was, I was honestand I said I can't go do
anything with you, but if youreally want to drive that far
just just to meet me, you couldgo with me to the city, we could
talk, and then you have to goback home as soon as I go Soon,
as I need to go pick up mydaughter and I'm like that's a

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three and a half hour drive bothways for you to hang out for
just like an hour or two hourdrive both ways for you to hang
out for just like an hour or twoand he decided to keep coming.
And, of course, by this point Imean I knew one of the things
that I had written in my visionis that I wanted this person to
be living a rare faith lifestyle.
And it didn't mean that theywere living like they knew what

(56:22):
rare faith was, but it was theidea of universal laws and faith
combined.
Um, I needed that.
That was really important to me.
And on our first conversationwhen you know, talking about
what you do, and it came outthat I was a coach in this rare
faith, he's like, oh my gosh,what is that?
And so I sent him a link tolisten to the Jackrabbit factor

(56:43):
and he just gobbled it upbecause he had been reading
things like Napoleon Hill andJames Allen and all.
So we had the same language.
He just hadn't seen it from thefaith perspective that I had.
And so I take my daughter overto grandma's and I come back and

(57:04):
by the time I get back to myhouse he's sitting in the
driveway, and so I mean,literally the timing, it
couldn't have been.
Clearly there was some divineintervention, you know kind of
finagling all of this, and Ipull up and I get out and he
asked if he could hug me and heI don't remember how it all went

(57:26):
we hugged and he kissed, okay,and I could tell what he was
going to say.
And like I already could feel,like the moment that he put his

(57:47):
arms around me, my entirenervous system like just calmed.
It was like like just calmed.
It was like I went from yearsof fight or flight to this
calmness that I had notexperienced like ever.
I'd never experienced what itfelt like the moment that he put
his arms around me and it was.
I could feel my spirit, justfeel like it had come home, like

(58:11):
it had been searching for solong.
And it was just there and he,he, he looks at me and I could
see what was coming and I saiddon't say it.
I said just don't say it.
And he said um, he said what Iknew he was going to say and he

(58:31):
said I think that I love you andwe've been talking for like 48
hours and the thing is that Iknew it, like I could feel it,
but I didn't want to recognizeit.
So I said what any woman wouldsay and I said oh well, it's too
soon to feel love.
What you're feeling are simplythe effects of the hormones
designed to ensure the survivalof the human race, effects of

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the hormones designed to ensurethe survival of the human race.
And he's like he just looks atme and says, hormones, I'm
feeling hormones.
No, actually I didn't.
My kids laugh when they hearthat I said that he said he
loved me.
They said, mom, please tell methat you didn't say thank you.

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And I said no, I did not saythank you.
And their next response was OK,what did you say?
Because it had to have beenworse.
And so we've all decided thatthat was like the worst response
to and I love you ever, but itwas just horrible.
But it made him more determinedto prove that he loved me and

(59:39):
we, we drove to the city and onthe drive back I fell asleep
next to him in the car, like Iwas exhausted.
You know I was just exhaustedand I fell asleep and when he
and then we said goodbye, youknow he dropped.
We got back to my place, hedropped me off and then he got

(01:00:01):
in his car and he left and Iwent and got my daughter and I
found out later that he tookthat.
You know me falling asleep, thatI was not attracted to him,
that like there was noconnection or spark, and but
what I explained to him later isI said I hadn't felt safe in
the presence of a man in a verylong time.

(01:00:22):
So for my, for my nervoussystem to be calm enough for me
to fall asleep was actually whatgave me the information I
needed, to know that this wasthe person I had been looking
for.
And so I went to Arizona.
I was gone for almost two weeksand I came home and we just
would see each other on theweekends because he lived three
and a half hours away.

(01:00:42):
He had been married for 26years before, um, when his
marriage had ended and hisex-wife had moved to Utah, so it
was just easier for him to cometo come see me, um.
And then he proposed and it wasan easy yes and how long after

(01:01:05):
like did he propose?
Um, about a month from the timethat we met, which almost two of
those weeks I was in Arizona.

Alisha Coakley (01:01:19):
Wow.

Bethany Harger (01:01:23):
Yeah, my kids were kind of freaking out.

Yeah, I could see that.

The difference was is that I had written about
him, and what I didn't know whenwe first started but I started
learning later is that he waswriting about the person he
wanted to be with, and so one ofthe things that we teach in
rare faith is that what you wantwants you back, and I have this
documented evidence that thethings that I wanted before he

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ever came into my physical world, he wanted.
He wanted what I had to offer.
He wanted and it was written inhis journals and he practiced
gratitude and all of thosethings that I was doing.
And then he's been able tolearn it from the gospel
perspective and during the time.
So when I said that I had beendating, and I was dating people

(01:02:17):
that weren't members of thechurch also because, let's be
honest, the LDS singles it'skind of a scary community.
I hate to say it, but it'sterrifying.
And because they know yourstandards, they know what words
to use.
It's.
It's actually not.

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It's just not a.
Really I didn't have any reallygood experiences with it.
I should just I'll just leaveit at that.
And during this time, I had feltreally led to reading Jacob,
chapter five, and one of theverses.
I thought I had it written butit doesn't, I'm going to pull it
up.

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In Jacob five, in verse 14, itsays and it came to pass, that
the Lord of the vineyard wenthis way and hid the natural
branches of the tame olive treeand the nethermost parts of the
vineyard, some in one and somein another, according to his
will and pleasure.
And then later the Lord and theservant go out to that you know
another, another most part ofthe vineyard.

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And in verse 21, it says and itcame to pass that the servant
said unto his master how come isthou hither to plant this tree
or this branch of the tree?
For behold, it was the poorestspot in all the land of thy

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vineyard.
And the Lord of the vineyardsaid unto him and when I read
that at the time I just feltlike there was the message that
I needed to hear in it was tonot judge by appearances.
Um, and then what I thought itwas saying, like I was being
given permission to date outsideof the gospel, and that maybe

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they weren't bearing forth,bearing the fruit, or it was,
you know, part of the vineyardthat I wouldn't necessarily
think would bear fruit, and sothat was what I had taken away
from it.
But then, when I was engaged toMatt, there was just some things
that I learned that weren'tcatastrophic, but pieces that,

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for someone that was a member ofthe church, were deal breakers
for me, the biggest of which wasI didn't want to be left in a
marriage where I was the onegoing to the temple on a regular
basis and he either stoppedgoing or went for me.
I didn't actually want to go tothe temple together if it was
for me, and so it was a totaldeal breaker that he had to be

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going to the temple before wemet, like that.
That's what.
Something that was part of his,his routine, so that I never
had to question why he was goingand when it.
When I realized that thatactually wasn't, wasn't
happening.

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I was questioning, movingforward, and I remember
specifically this one day that Iwas just standing and I was
staring at him from across theroom and I'm like I don't know
what I'm going to do.
This is the thought in my head,and the words were so clear
Jacob, chapter five.
I already knew this, and so Ihad already been given the

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direction.
I already knew that he was theperson I was going to marry.
And so when this Jacob chapterfive popped into my mind, I had
been prepared, that was read andI had understood it and written
about it before I ever met Matt.
And so we decided you know whenwe decided to set the date.
And the date ended up being alot earlier than we were
originally planning because wewere going to go meet my family
in Arizona but my dad can'ttravel anymore.

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So it just kind of made moresense to just get married in
Arizona, which was amazingbecause Leslie Householder came
to my wedding in Arizona and allmy rare faith friends that were
right there, like most of themwere there along.
I threw this wedding together inlike three weeks and I did not

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share with Matt the date of myvision that I had written.
He knew that I had somethingwritten, but I didn't share it
with him because I never wantedto manipulate, I didn't want him
to feel any kind of pressure,Um, but the date of my
relationship vision was July31st 2023.

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So on July 31st I woke uphealthy marital relationship.
So July 31st 2023,.
I am so happy and grateful thatI am in a healthy marriage
relationship was all true.

Wow, that is so crazy, crazy.
Oh my gosh.
I like just want to stop theshow and just go write down all
my things with all my datesright now but I'm not going to
put dates, so far out.

I'm not Well.
I was in the middle of adivorce so I had to.

Wow, that is so cool, oh my gosh.
Wow, that is so cool, oh mygosh.
So where, like, tell us whereyou are now on your journey.
You know, like, how does lifelook for you and, um, I don't
know just kind of, where's yourtestimony at with with all of
this, and you know, you wouldthink that this is such an

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amazing story and it really islike.

You know, you would think that this is such an
amazing story and it really islike it's this amazing story and
it always was.
But we got married and I havePTSD.
I have CPTSD, which is complexPTSD, which is from ongoing
emotional abuse, basically, andthere's things even from my
childhood, but mostly fromdifferent aspects of one or both
marriages.
And so now I'm in thisrelationship and my subconscious
, which is, thankfully I havesuch a strong understanding of
neuroscience thanks to what I'velearned through Leslie's work
but my subconscious was incomplete freak out and it

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couldn't accept that I was safe.
And so the first year of ourmarriage was actually really,
really hard, and I literallymarried a saint.
He I can't even say how manytimes he's had to pick me up off
the floor from a full blownPTSD meltdown where I'm just,
you know, for me so he had beenin either therapy trying to save

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his first marriage togetherwith her or for himself, for, I
don't know years, years andyears before me, and so one of
the things that he was doing washe would practice mindfulness
because he's had struggles withanger in the past and so when
there would be a conflict arisebetween us, he would his go to

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was to just kind of retreatinside of himself.
But it wasn't like it wasn't thesilent treatment it was, he was
using mindfulness techniques.
It wasn't the silent treatment,it was, he was using
mindfulness techniques.
But my previous experiences hadbeen that that was the calm
before the storm and it was justabout to erupt.
And I mean there were timesthat the yelling it was so bad

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that would come at me that Iwould sleep on the garage floor.
Like there was a section of thegarage that was not our room
but I didn't want anybody in thehouse to know that what was
going on, and so I would justsleep on the garage floor.
And so for me, my experiencehas said that when my partner
gets quiet in the middle ofconflict, he's about to erupt,

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and for him he needed to getquiet to process, so he didn't
erupt.

Right.

And so it was.
There was a lot, it was, it wasa lot and thankfully I say it
was perfect.
But it was perfect because wehad both learned how to be
vulnerable.
We had both learned how to dealwith our, with our stuff.

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It wasn't his fault.

He wasn't the reason I was behaving this way
and it wasn't my fault for whyhe behaved certain ways.
All of that personaldevelopment work that we had
done before we ever met is whatkept us through.
And then there was a lot thathappened in our first year I had
.
There was happened in our firstyear I had.
There was, um, I almost lost my17 year old daughter in

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December of last year, um, andso we're dealing with that.
And then we had to move.
I had back surgery.
So here we are newly marriedand he has to like back surgery
is no joke, guys, it is, it isno joke.
And you know he stayed at myhospital bedside and then helped
me through that whole recoveryprocess.
And then we moved and we endedup.

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There was a lot of things thatwent around it, but essentially
all of the financial resourcesthat he came into the marriage
with and everything that I hadcoming, it all stopped.
This like it either wasdepleted or it stopped.
And at this summer and it wasat the time that my daughter was
getting married in Utah and wewere in the middle of this move
and so it just felt like we hadlost.

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We had lost everything.
But even in that we have beenable to draw closer in a way
that would never have happenedwithout that.
For him, his worth, his whole,who he was, was tied up in his

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being a provider, in supportingthe family, and so, when that
was kind of taken, he's beenable to experience that he
doesn't have to give anything tobe loved.
He is loved and accepted andneeded in exactly the space that
he is.
I don't need anything from himand he couldn't have really

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understood that without where weare.
And for myself.
He doesn't blame me.
He doesn't blame me.
Both of my previous husbandshave you know I'm blamed for
every single thing that wentwrong, and I'm not saying that I
didn't have my faults because Iabsolutely did.
I absolutely contributed to.
I would say I contributed tothe first divorce.

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I would say with all honesty itwas the mental health and the
second divorce that ultimatelyled to the divorce.
I would say with all honesty itwas the mental health and the
second divorce that thatultimately led to the divorce.
But, um, yeah, so we're justrebuilding.
We're at a point but we get torebuild together and, um, he has
.
He has supported everythingthat I do, um, and he has

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supported everything that I do.
He has supported.
He feels really strongly that Ineed to be sharing my story and
that I need to continuecoaching and I have felt like I
don't know how to do thisanymore because it's not
actually supporting my family,because I have clients, but I
continue attracting clients thatare coming from the spaces of
where I used to be.
Those are the ones that I couldhelp the most, but they're also

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the ones that don't typicallyhave the resources or even the
mental strength to know thatthere is more on the other side,
and so out of that has beenborn, leslie Householder and I
are co-founding a nonprofit, andit is in its launch phase right
now, and we are so excitedabout it.

Wow, and so do you want to.
I mean, I know you guys have aname, but you're not ready to
release it just yet, or?

it should be able to be released tomorrow.

Oh, well, then you can share, because this is a
recorded episode and it's goingto air a little after we record
.
How about that?
Or, I don't want no pressure.

No, I'd actually thought about that and I
actually feel confident becauseI thought, you know, it's
probably not going to come outuntil tomorrow or the next day,
whenever it comes out anyway.
So it's the breakthroughfoundation.

Oh perfect.

So because we so many times we feel broken and
what I've learned is that we'renot.
I'm not broke.
I was never broken.
I was just breaking through thepast beliefs.

I love that.

Yeah, that's a really nice play on words.

Really cool.

Yeah and so yeah .
And even foundation I meanfoundation is typically used in
nonprofits, but for us it's thebreakthrough.
Foundation I mean foundation istypically used in nonprofits
but for us it's the breakthroughfoundation.
It's giving the tools and theresources and support so people
could just get to the foundation.
Because when I, when I got towhat, when I started my whole

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personal development journey, Iwasn't even at foundation.
Like, I was in the basement, Icouldn't even get to the
foundation.
And I approached Leslie withthis idea of a nonprofit because
, for a lot of reasons but partof it was, yes, my life has been
forever changed by thecurriculum and the things that

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I've learned in rare faith.
But it wasn't just that therewere people in the community,
the rare faith community inFacebook, who would see my
plight, they would see mystruggles and they would reach
out to me and it was truly liketheir support and their, their
service to me.
Some of them had gifts and, youknow, modalities of healing

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that would help me, even thoughI was still in therapy and the
things that I was doing.
But they had resources and waysthat I was being lifted and
carried through this journeywhile I was also doing the rare
faith and it curriculum, and itwas through that kind of
comprehensive support that gotme to where I am, and so that's
what we're excited is we'regoing to be able to get to offer

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more of that comprehensivesupport, and I don't know a
single rare faith facilitator,including Leslie herself, that
hasn't had scholarship people in, and sometimes there's funds
available for the scholarshipand sometimes there's not, and
we, as facilitators, or thecompany itself, would just

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absorb those costs.
Because how do you not sharethese things that are helping
people and pulling them out ofpast beliefs, that are actually
drawing them closer to thesavior?
It's not just about goals, howdo you not?
But I had gotten to where I'mlike I can't do this because I
can't support my family.

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I can't do it anymore.
And so when I had this idea ofa nonprofit, it was actually
just for me.
And then the spirit said no,you're thinking too small.
It's like I don't know how thisis too small, because this is a
lot bigger than me.
And I happened to be in a classwith Leslie at the moment that

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this inspiration came to me andI looked at my screen and I was
like, oh, I'm going to be ateacher, so I just decided to
just have a conversation withher and she just immediately saw
the vision of what this coulddo and the resources.
I mean, it was such a good idea.
It's so huge.
Now we're just.

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You know we're knee deep in it,but everything has come
together, the we found anorganization that's helping us
get it up off the ground andcompliant.
They have 100% compliance ratewith the IRS since 1995.

Nice.

Which is just.
I didn't even know there was100% in anything anymore.
Yeah is when we're supposed toget I'm supposed to have the
legal entity incorporatedthrough the state of Iowa that
we're going to get.
Word, that that's, and oncethat's created, we can start
accepting donations that will beretroactively tax deductible.

That's awesome.

So the IRS allows 27 months to get your tax
exempt status and because thisorganization that's doing it all
for us, the IRS piece, has 100%acceptance rate at the IRS for
decades.
Now we just feel reallyconfident and we've we already
have people that are ready tosponsor.
I have a retreat that I'm doingin a week and a half.

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That's like kind of the first,like the launch event of this
new organization and, um, theboard of directors, just in fact
, one board member in particular, when she was first approached
by Leslie was she kind of waslike I, I don't know, it's

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that's a lot.
I've been on boards, I don'tknow if I can do that.
Um, I could be, you know, I, aslong as I don't have a lot of
responsibilities.
But then a week later when Imessaged her maybe it's a couple
weeks and said this is wherewe're at, her reply back was the
spirit had directed her, thatshe actually needed to hold a

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role, that if we neededresponsibilities from her, she
that's where, that's where sheis going, because she felt so.
Each of these people that havebecome our board of directors
has felt prompted by the spiritthat that's what they need to do
.

And so so, essentially, what you're doing
is you're offering scholarshipprograms to help coach people
for free right or is it free orjust for free who maybe aren't
quite at the point where theyactually understand why coaching
is so, so helpful Right andwhere they don't even understand

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, like, the basic of theprinciples of you know, all the
the rare faith teachings andthings like that, Right?

Yeah, and it's going to be.
It's being built right now asfar as exactly how the program
is going to go, but I'm doingsome of the inspiration that I
have, for it is this programthat I went through with this
coach that introduced me toLeslie's work.
So, where there's some creativemodalities, some creative
processing whether it's writingor art, um, different ways that

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we can process through, um, thethoughts that we have and that's
one of the things that we do inGenius Bootcamp is getting
tapping into the creative sideof our brain.
Um, and then, for those thatneed additional support there,
there's the potential to have,um, you know, contracted
assistance with at on an asneeded basis for things like EFT

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, which is tapping, or emotionalfreedom techniques, or there's
other modalities.
It doesn't take the place ofprofessional counseling when
that's needed.
This is just one of the greatestthings that I love about
coaching is that you're notbound by HIPAA, and so you know,

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with my clients I have prettyfirm boundaries.
As far as I love using the MarcoPolo app, because if somebody
really needs to processsomething, they can do it right
then and there, and then I willget it.
When I have a moment, I turn myphone to silent at night.
But that ability to communicatewith the person that you're
working with outside of yourscheduled 45 minute appointment,
however often, you see, isreally what has helped me the

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most, and it's why I lovecoaching and mentoring, and one
of the things that I feel I havebeen gifted with is to know
when my client needs a coach,someone to kind of push them
outside of their comfort zoneand be the one on the back end
getting them moving, and whenthey need a mentor, when they

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need the person to sit with themin the dark, and they don't
need to be coached.
They don't need to be told whatthey could do better, and I
feel like that is one of thethings that all of my
experiences gifted me with,because there were times that I
did not need anybody to tell mewhat to do better, I just needed
someone to sit with me in it.

Right.

And then I've had my tail kicked a lot of
times by a lot of mentors thatwere like you are better than
this and you can do better.
And so that is the vision thatwe're creating, and we're just
I'm so excited about it.

That is so cool.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Well, I just I have to vouch for I mean, I know
I've talked so much on thispodcast in the last couple of
years about Leslie Householderand rare faith and just the
things that I've learned and howit lines up so testimony of the
gospel even more, because ithelped me to understand more
about, like, heavenly Father'sdivine role.

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You know, like, who he is, howhe organized everyone and
everything, why it is soimportant for us to completely
heal ourselves.
You know, with the help of theatonement and with the help of
all of the other resources thatGod gives to us, um, and I, just
I, I love that it helps you tobecome that full force co

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-creator with God.
It's not like you're waitingaround, you know, for God to
work everything out for youanymore.
It's like he has endowed uswith this power, with his power
to be able to to multiply andreplenish the earth in such a
way that it branches out beyondjust having kids.
Right, like I know a lot of ourand that's like my favorite

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thing about what I learned inrare faith was like it is
absolutely our job to multiplyand replenish all the good that
we can.
Right, to multiply andreplenish healing, growth,
progression, forgiveness.
You know, perseverance, likeit's our responsibility to
multiply financially so that wehave more multiplied

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opportunities for people.
It's our responsibility tomultiply all of the charitable
things and the service that isout there.
That's all part of living.
The law of consecration, whichis just one of the covenants
that we adhere to and that wemake when we go through the
temple, is to really trulyconsecrate every single thought,

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deed, action.
You know, opportunity toheavenly father, to his plan,
and and I have just been on thislike kick where I can't it's
like I'm thirsty and I'm just Icannot get enough of it.
And I remember being in a pointyears ago where I would never
have considered a coach becauseI would have thought that's a

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waste of money.
Why do I want to pay someonewho is just going to talk to me
about my feelings or whatever?
I did not understand what itmeant to work hand in hand with
someone else who is also tryingto create good things in life,
and I am.
So I'm like a coaching addict.
Now I do all the things.

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I mean I'm sure anyone who'slistened to the show long enough
it's been like Alicia, do youlike try everything that every
person?
Yeah, I probably do I'm like,yes, teach me more, I just want
to know more.
But I love that you didn't giveup number one right, and that
you were like even though youfelt like a hypocrite in some of

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those times and I can onlyimagine, like how hard that
would be and and how much of astruggle that could have been
for you to be like am I notliving with integrity?
Because I'm not actually seeingall this stuff?
But the point is that youdidn't quit because you knew
that there was power in the waythat heavenly father has
structured all of the blessingsthat that we're privy to in this

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life and in the next, and Ilove that.
You um, earlier, when we weretalking about, like your intro,
you talked about how you justyou felt like there was this
messy middle where you were justin the storm, surrounded by fog
, and you just didn't know whatwas happening, you didn't know
what the purpose was, and itwasn't until until you got
through all of that, until younavigated outside of the fog and

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away, like far enough away fromthe storm, where, yeah, maybe
you were still wet, maybe it'sstill raining, but you're not,
you're not in the middle of theocean anymore, you know you're
kind of like okay, now I atleast have my feet on the ground
, I'm on the shoreline and I cansee I'm safe Still maybe not
super comfortable, but I'mgetting better and and just
knowing that you all of a suddenare able to start seeing with

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that eternal perspective, likeyou're able to I think about
President Nelson's talk whereyou know think celestially right
, talk where you know thinkcelestially right, like that is
what I personally haveexperienced going through the
rare faith stuff is that it hashelped me to be able to think

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celestial, like to really getthat God perspective in all
different areas, to where I nolonger have to be the victim and
I don't.
I don't have to make anybodyelse the bad guy either.
Right, I don't have to make mycircumstances the bad guy.
I don't have to make my husbandthe bad guy when he you know
when we're not agreeing onsomething, or my kids the bad

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guy for not doing what I wantthem to do, whatever it is.
There doesn't have to even be abad guy, it's just oh, that's
interesting.
That's something that I am inright now, or I'm dealing with
right now and now I can applythese principles and I can move
forward to create something morebeautiful.
You know, I just I'm excited tosee what your foundation is

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going to do, cause I think thereare so many people in the world
who just are, they're so deepin the rut that they really
can't even see any light at all.
So to ask them to not only likebuild something outside of that
hole when they're like,honestly, they don't even know
they're in a hole, probablythey're like it's dark, I don't
even know where I'm at.

You just you don't, you don't.
And one of the things when Iwas in the middle of before I
had moved to Iowa and I wasdoing whole work and I took a
rare moment to sit down andwatch a movie with my I think
she was two or three at the time, but we watched Moana.
I hadn't seen it when it was inthe theaters and I actually I

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have a coaching practice andit's Wayfinder Mentoring and
Coaching and it's Wayfinding isfrom Moana.
It's the first time that I wasintroduced to the term, but one
of the first kind of things thatI wrote, because I'm a writer
now and I'm working on getting abook out and I'm just kind of
coming out of that fog that Iwas in after that first year of

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marriage and I'm really excitedabout it.
But there was a part in Moanawhere you know she is so excited
and she's, you know she's outthere and she realizes that
she's off course and so shelooks to the ocean and asks for
help.
And the ocean is, you know,representation of our Heavenly
Father For me, that's what itrepresents to me and she looks

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and asks for help and this hugestorm comes and it knocks her
off of her boat and it kind ofbreaks apart and she's just
clinging for dear life in thewaves and you see her the next
take.
You see her waking, you know shegets up on the beach and she's
so mad and she goes over andshe's kicking the water and she

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says fish peeing you Like she'sso mad.
I asked you for help.
And in the ocean, like pulls,you know, wave up, and it kind
of points and she turns aroundand she can see that she's on
the island of where Maui is atand she realizes that that storm
that you know she thought shewas off course and then this

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storm blows her even further butit actually blew her to where
she, to where she needed to be.
And I feel like the moment thatI would, that I I was yelling
at God and I was so mad and Isaid you know I did this hate
letter, god, and I was so madand I said you know I did this
hate letter.
It's like he pointed to me andsaid Look, and I feel like I'm

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finally on that island and andjust like in Moana that her
journey wasn't over.
She didn't reach that island ofMaui, and then it was all like
she still had a lot in front ofher, but she was no longer doing
it alone.
But she was no longer doing italone and she had learned just a
little bit.
And I feel like that's whereI've learned just enough, that I

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feel like I have the evidenceon the other side of that storm
that says there's actuallypurpose and it's not likely that
it's just a random storm.
It's actually taking you towhere you're asking to be in the
first place.

Yeah, well, I think there's a lot of power and
strength that comes from thejourney.

For sure.

And I mean, I actually love the fact that you
are coaching people andstruggling at the same time.
You just hadn't reached thedestination yet and that becomes
part of your story, right, andbecause of that, look where it
took you, like, look where thestorm took you to create a

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foundation where you canactually help people who are at
the bottom of you know Maslow'shierarchy of needs.
They're like like barelysurviving.
Now you can relate to them andyou can actually give them a
place to start, so they're notjust drowning in the ocean.
You're like you're, you'rehanding them a life raft and be

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like help me, I can help you getto the shore, so then you can
actually continue on yourjourney.
You don't drown.
I think it's awesome.

It's interesting that you said that, because the
Maslow's hierarchy of needs hasbeen a really big piece of why
I am so insistent that there aretruly people that are not just
limiting their beliefs as far asnot hiring a coach or not
enrolling in a program thatcould help them because they

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don't know what they don't knowwhen you are on that bottom rung
of that hierarchy of needs, youcan't reach your fulfillment,
you can't reach your destiny.
And as a bookkeeper, when I wasusing my accounting degree, I
worked with a nonprofit.
I did their books and they um,I love seeing so many nonprofits

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that are helping in othercountries and I'm also glad that
was not my calling.
I've lived out of this countryand I'm just, I'm good, but we
have really significant needshere and they they look like the
girl that's in.
That's just.
I don't look at a mom in agrocery store with a screaming

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child that she's completelyignoring.
I don't look at them the same.
They aren't poor parents, theyaren't letting.
Or the one that is like no, no,no is fine, just put it all in
the basket Like they arefighting for survival.
That was me.
Like they don't know.
And one of the greatestblessings in my life has been

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having a child at 41 years old,because not only have I got to
be a different parent for her,but that relationship with my
older children has been healedand is continuing to heal
because they are witnessingtheir mom.
I don't just get to say well, Icould have been a better mom if
I had known X, y, z.
They're actually watching me bea better mom to their little

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sister.
And so that has, in turn, helpedto heal those things that I did
really, really wrong when theywere younger so.

I love that.
Yeah, wow, well, this has justbeen such a good I knew it was
going to be such a good episodeand, um, and I really appreciate
coming on here and sharing yourstory and sharing a little bit
about the foundation, what youguys have going on, um, so I

(01:34:34):
guess, like before we wrap up,are there, you know, do you have
any last thoughts or anythinglike that?
Would you like to share alittle bit about, maybe, um,
what people can do if they wantto get in touch with you, either
for the foundation aspect orfor more information on your
personal coaching or someoneelse's program, you know, like

(01:34:55):
the genius bootcamp or whateverelse.
So I guess, give us all thethings.

They could reach out to me personally either my
email or they can find me onsocial media.
There's a depending on what theneeds media.
There's a depending on what theneeds are.
There's a few avenues.
So I offer personal coaching.
You know, if you're in a spacethat you're ready to invest in
yourself, I offer that.
If you're wanting more of like,if you want something, what?

(01:35:22):
Everything that I do has a rarefaith into it.
Whether I pull in thecurriculum from rare faith
because I'm a facilitator,that's just part of what I do.
But also, if somebody islooking more to be in a class
where there's more than one, abigger class, then I would send

(01:35:43):
them the resources that theyneed for that.
But if they're in a place thatthey know that they want to grow
but they're not sure how to dothat, then it's going to fall
under the foundation.
And if somebody hears this andfeels like they would like to
donate again because we don'thave all the links, we actually
do have the URL set up, but weneed to.
We're just.
It's a process as we, as wewait for the entity to

(01:36:06):
incorporate in Iowa which isexpected to be tomorrow to get
the paperwork back for that.
But they could just contact medirectly and I'll just put them
into the place that they need tobe.

Okay, perfect.
Well, we'll make sure to putall of the things that we can at
the time that we air thisepisode.
We'll make sure we puteverything in the description
for others so that they canreach out and get in touch with
you and, of course, if all elsefails, reach out to Scott and I.
We can get in touch.
We can do that.

I was hoping that we would have it all set up
by today.
It just took a little bitlonger through.
Iowa than we expected I reallyneed to.

I really need to read this Jackrabbit book.

I need to learn more about.

Leslie House.

We've talked about it so many times.

And I love reading.
I'm constantly reading, so Ijust I really I need a kick in
the butt.

Well, and my favorite is not even the
Jackrabbit factor, which I knowa lot of people like, but mine
is Hidden Treasures.
Like man, that one is just it'sgot scriptures, it's got.
It's so clearly.
I mean just in what's the word?
It's like woven into the gospeland like that is my favorite.
I tell everybody about HiddenTreasures.

(01:37:24):
It's not even Jack.

And Jackrabbit Factor is great too.
But I just went straight.
I love hidden treasures, forfor me, hidden Jack rabbit
factor was like this eye openingwhat the possibilities, but
hidden treasures is where I mean.
I'm so like going deeper.
Well, my faith is such a bigpart of me that, honestly, if I
had learned about the law ofattraction, I would have
dismissed it.
Um like, if I had learned aboutthe law of attraction, I would
have dismissed it.
Um, like, if I had learned allthat from the worldview, I would

(01:37:54):
have just dismissed it as justwoo woo.
But because it's it is, it'sintegrated throughout the
scriptures and that is actuallythe best part of what Leslie
teaches and she's actuallycreating um.
She taught it when we were juston a on the cruise that we all
went on or several people wenton um that the the difference

(01:38:14):
between the law of attractionand rare faith.
Um and the law of attraction.
The one that stood out to methe most that she put on the
PowerPoint was in the law ofattraction it says that if
you're not getting, you knowyou're not seeing the results
that you should be, then you'redoing it wrong, and so I had
dubbed myself the rarefeefailure because that was how I

(01:38:35):
kept seeing it.
But she's, she has this otherpiece of it.
That's when you put God in it.
It's.
God helps us learn that justbecause you can doesn't mean you
should, and he, he cares moreabout our growth than he does
our wealth, and so the wealth isfine, but he cares about the

(01:38:59):
growth first, and so I am sograteful I didn't receive the
wealth first, or I wouldn't havewhat I have now.

Yeah Well, for anyone interested, you guys can
go to rarefaithorg and there arefree downloads of both of those
books.
I know that they have them onaudible as well, that you guys
can purchase if you want to.
But if you just want to read itfor free, you can absolutely go
read it for free.
Um, so go do it.
It'll just help your testimony.

(01:39:26):
So much of the of the gospeland of how much Heavenly Father
like, loves us and just put somany things in our path for us
to be able to use.
And it doesn't have to be likeit can be hard, but it doesn't
have to feel impossible, youknow, like it really, I don't
know.
Anyway, I'm going to, I'm goingto step off my pedestal now.

It's a good pedestal, it's a good one.
Yeah Well, thank you guys somuch.
I appreciate the opportunity toshare a little bit and I tried
to condense it and it's stilljust, and that was honestly the
cliff notes.
There was so many miracles andthere was even more trials than
that.
Those were the big ones.

Well, it's awesome that you're going to be
able to put it into a book andyou can go read the hours and
hours of the book when you getthat done.

Yeah, awesome.
Well, thanks, bethany, andthank you everyone for tuning in
to listen to Bethany's story.
Hopefully, you know you'velearned something new, you've
been inspired and you know, ifyou want to help spread
Bethany's story, go hit thatshare button and do your five

(01:40:38):
second missionary work.
Let's get this out there,because I know there's people
that could use this informationand get inspired from Bethany's
story.

Yeah, absolutely .
And remember, guys, Scott and Ilove when people reach out to us
and we don't have to go trackyou down.
So, just if you're feeling thelittle feelings and Heavenly
Father's like, hey, we want tohear from you, we want to know
what your story is, we want toknow how your testimony has
grown and what type of stormsthat you've navigated in your
life that are going to help youto have more eternal perspective

(01:41:07):
, how your testimony has grownand what type of storms that
you've navigated in your lifethat are going to, you know,
help you to have more eternalperspective of things.
So, please, please, please,reach out to us.
You can either message us onFacebook, you can send us an
email at latterdaylights, atgmailcom, or you can head over
to latterdaylightscom, ourwebpage, and at the bottom
there's a place where you canfill out a contact form.
So we would just be so, sothrilled to have you guys reach

(01:41:29):
out to us with your stories offaith and and light and
inspiration so that we can keepthe show going and keep reaching
others who really need to, uh,to have more light in their life
.
So, with that, thank you guysfor listening.
We really appreciate it.
And thank you again, bethany,for coming on today.

Thank you.

Yeah, see you next week with another listening
we really appreciate it, andthank you again, bethany, for
coming on today.
Thank you, yeah.
See you next week with anotherepisode.
Till then, take care, bye.

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