Raised in Isolation. Denied an Education. Saved by Faith: Calvin Bagley's Story - Latter-Day Lights - LDS Podcast "Latter-Day Lights" - Inspirational LDS Stories

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Alisha Coakley (00:31):
And I'm Alicia Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
instill faith, invite growth,and inspire others.

On today's episode, we're going to hear how
a childhood of abuse and noschooling propelled one man to
become a loving father and atrauma-informed leader.
Welcome to Latter Day Lights.

Yeah, yeah, of course.
So, Calvin, we were we're onthree different time zones here.
A couple hours in the past fromme and an hour in the past from
Scott.
Tell everyone, where are yourecording from right now?

Calvin Bagley (01:27):
So I'm recording from my home in Las Vegas,
Nevada, where I have lived mostof the time since after my
mission.

Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
So not before your mission?

No, actually, I was raised in northern Utah
outside of the area of Vernal,Utah.

Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
Now, did you move to Vegas fora girl?
Did you?

Yeah, well, I wish it was that cool, you know,
but I did meet the girl in LasVegas.
Does that count?
Okay, good.
I moved to Las Vegas because myolder brother was here and was
giving me an opportunity to geton my feet uh after a pretty uh
interesting and difficultupbringing.

Okay, gotcha.
Well, this girl that you met,tell us if did you have any
married kids?
What are you doing for my wifeCarissa?

Uh she's from Idaho Falls area.
Actually, Shelly, for those ofyou know who know where that
little uh smaller town is,wonderful place.
Um, but she had come to LasVegas because she had a full
ride scholarship to UNLV.
And I had come to Las Vegasbecause I had a connection with
my brother and his wife, andthey were helping me to get into
school after being raisedwithout schooling.
And we met at the institutebuilding, and it was a long

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time.
Uh, we did it wasn't acourtship.
It started out with just youknow getting to know each other
and then life took differentdirections.
And then later we reconnected.
Um, so we knew each other forthe better part of oh, I don't
know, eight, eight years orsomething before we were
married.
And now we're married, uh, livein Las Vegas, have two
children.
Uh, my uh son, my oldest son is13, my daughter is seven, which

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you know, I'm kind of like anold dad.
I'm 50 years old.
I turned 50 a couple weeks ago.
That was actually the lunch ofmy book happened on around my
50th birthday.
But I'm so happy because Ithink I'm a much better dad in
my 40s and 50s than I ever wouldhave been in my 20s.

I just turned 52, just at the beginning of
August.
Oh, happy birthday.

Well, and apparently you have some vampire
blood in you.

Thank you.
I guess my daughter's reallyinto vampires because of this,
you know, that uh uh all thisDisney stuff right now.
So she would consider that acompliment, and I do too.

Yeah, that's awesome.
I was shocked when you told meyour age just now.
I was like, wait, what?
I seriously underestimate it.

Thank you.

That's great.

Yeah, I got a lot more white in my beard than
you do.

Well, you know, just I when they say it keeps
you young, I don't know if itmakes you older or keeps you
young, but having aseven-year-old, you know, I all
my friends are young, so I feelyoung.

Yeah, right.

There you go.
I feel young still.

I can't believe I'm 50, but I don't feel it.
That's good.
Yeah.

Well, let's let's let's focus on you.
Uh Calvin, why don't you justgo ahead and tell us where your
story begins?

Sure.
You know, I I I recently wrotea book uh called Tiny from the
School Bus, and it tells thestory of my life.
Um, and I wrote it really formy family and for my loved ones,
uh, and kind of a memoir piece,and it it may have uh meaning
to a broader audience.
And so I'm sharing it and beingvery open about it, even though

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it's very personal.
And so in a way, I've kind ofopened my heart up and my soul
and and shown it to the world.
But uh it starts in uh a smallarea outside of Vernal, Utah,
uh, where I was I was born.
I was born in the Vernalhospital, but my parents didn't
live there.
They lived out on a ranch, aUte uh tribal ranch very far
away.
My father was um the foremanfor the tribal ranch, and it was

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20 miles down a pothold, youknow, road for oil field road,
followed by 20 more miles down adirt road.
And there was my family there,you know, uh kind of at the end
of the world outside of Vernal,Utah, with no neighbors and no
one around us.
And the only time that that myfamily left this tiny little

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ranch was to go to church.
And so out of that became sortof this necessity of
homeschooling the children.
And I was the seventh of ninechildren.
So I was born in Vernal.
My parents brought us home,brought me home from the
hospital out to this uh, youknow, this very small uh ranch
house out in the middle ofnowhere that was actually really
a trailer house.

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And my my mother reallysuffered from depression, I
believe, uh undiagnosed andpostpartum depression and what
have you.
And she handed me to my sister,who was 14 years older than me.
I was just turning 14 when Iwas born, and said, you know,
this one is yours.
And I really believed that mymy I've realized now that my

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body believed my sister to be mymother.
And she provided all themothering for the first years of
my life.
And out of this necessity,living so far in the middle of
nowhere, we were homeschooled.
But it wasn't, you know, itstarted out as homeschooling.
And my my sister, who's theoldest and many of my older
siblings, they attended someschool.
But by the time I was oldenough to learn to read,

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schooling just wasn't happeningin our home any longer.
And instead of it beinghomeschooling, it's what I call
no schooling.
I mean, we were no schooled.
There wasn't, there weren'tbooks, there were, there weren't
um, you know, study guides oranything like that.
There, we didn't have lecturetime.
We literally just worked andstayed hidden from the school
bus.
So that's why the title of mybook, Hiding from the School

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Bus.
When the school bus would comeby, we would hide.
And my parents said, you don'twant to be caught by the school
bus.
It's going to take you toschool, it's going to, you know,
you're going to learn theseterrible things.
Everyone at school is bad.
They didn't, they had a deepingrained uh suspicion of all
institutions, whether other thanother than religion,
particularly, you know, thechurch.

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But other any other institutionlike the government, uh,
healthcare, schools, all ofthese things were bad and would
teach you evil.
And so my parents began to getthese more and more extreme
beliefs the longer that theywere isolated in this place.
And it started out as, youknow, we're going to uh
homeschool our kids, and then itturned into uh chocolate is

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against the word of wisdom, andwearing shorts even for boys is
wrong.
So I was wearing, you know,playing church basketball in
jeans because, you know, Icouldn't wear, I couldn't,
wasn't allowed to wear shorts.
And there were many of theseother interesting and bizarre
boutique beliefs.
And so I call the kind ofupbringing a fundamentalist
upbringing, but it lackedpolygamy.

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I mean, my parents went, wewent to church every Sunday and
we practiced uh the religion,but um, and we practiced our
faith, but they had all theseweird things that they had added
to it that weren't really partof the Church of Jesus Christ or
Latter-day Saints, but we wereraised with those, with those
beliefs.
And they would come home fromchurch and and talk about

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everyone else that was thechurch, all the things they were
doing wrong, and how no oneelse was living up to the
standards and only us.
But at home, I was I was beingabused.
Um, and there was there wasphysical abuse, there was sexual
abuse, there was all kinds ofverbal abuse and things that
were happening in our home.
And so for me, I there was justthis disconnect that I began to

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realize very early on that whatwas being taught in church and
by my primary teacher and otherthings was not what we were
living at home, even though myparents professed that we were
the holy ones, we were the most,you know, righteous, or or they
were doing it the right way andeveryone wasn't.
And so this was the tumultuousupbringing that I was

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experiencing as a child thatreally created in me a lot of
question about whether I wasgood enough or whether I knew
anything, or whether the churchwas the place that I wanted to
be when I grew up, and um, andmany other very confusing things
for a child.
So that was kind of my mybeginning.

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Um as I got older, I wasn'thiding from the school bus
anymore because I feared it oror believed exactly what my
parents were saying.
When I'm by the time I was ateenager, I realized by
associating with other kids atchurch that I really didn't know
anything.

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And if I did argue with myparents to the point that they
allowed me to go to high school,which you know, no one in my
family ever went to high school,but if I if I somehow succeeded
in that, which I wanted sobadly, then I would just make a
fool of myself because I I knewthat I knew nothing.
I didn't know times tables.
I when I was seven years old,my sister, who was 10 years

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older than me, so my thirdsister, she taught me to read.
I went to my mom and I said,Mom, I I really want to learn to
read.
And my mom said, Well, I guessI guess you're ready.
And I was seven years old.
And I had inadvertently,because there were some remnants
of our of our education prior,remaining in the house.
So in in the house, around thetop of the living room, was the

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alphabet, but I didn't knowwhich way it started.
And so I would I walkdownstairs and I would start on
one side of the room and I wouldwork all of my way around and
try to memorize it and preparemyself to learn to read.
And so I memorized Z Y X W V UT S R Q P O M and M L K J I G F
E D C D A backwards because Ididn't know which way it

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started.
You know, today people laughwhen they say, Oh, that's a
great party trick.
And it is, but to me it has alot more meaning.
You know, I really didn't know.
So um my sister helped me toread and she taught me to read
using a phonics course.
And that was the that was thefull education that I received,

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essentially.
Um my father always said, teacha child to read and they'll
learn everything else whenthey're ready.
And I hate to say that in a wayI proved him right on that, on
that point, because I did learnthings later.
And I go on to graduate fromcollege, which was which is a
mountain that I climbed, but umfor many of my siblings it
didn't work out so well.
So um when I was uh when I waseight years old, uh I was

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baptized uh in the church as asas eight years old, eight years
old, eight-year-old childrenare, you know, typically.
And that began my personalrelationship with my Heavenly
Father, um, where I began tofeel things for myself that had
been talked about.
And there was a lot of teachingand preaching in my home.

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Um unfortunately, a lot of itbecame very triggering for me
later because it was accompaniedwith anger and fighting and and
and other violence.
But, you know, my parents woulddo scripture study and other
things, but it always had thisheavy weight on it.
Or family home evening was likea fight, and just there was so
much fighting and so much angerand all these things happening

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in my home.
But refuge was at church.
And my my earliest primaryteacher, her name was Wilma
Robb, and she was a saint, justa wonderful woman in her like
70s and just loved the children,loved me.
And in one of the tragicmoments of my childhood, she was

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in, she had been, she'd gone totown, as we said when I was a
kid, with my family.
Um, this was when we had movedto a place that there were some
people around, not that many.
And on the way home, we were ina car accident, and my primary
teacher, Wilma, died afterhaving uh been, you know, been
struck.

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We struck a horse, and thehorse came into the passenger
seat seat and and crushed her.
And and I saw my primaryteacher there, um, just not even
looking like herself,completely, you know, it was a
terrible scene.
And it just broke me, justcompletely broke me.
But I knew that Wilma loved me.

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And sometimes I wasn't surethat of love in other places.
And those things, you know, thefeelings that I had, um, being
baptized and being confirmed amember of the church, uh, the
teachings of Wilma and othersled me to begin to have my own
testimony and begin to separatemy parents from the gospel.

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And it's one of the things thatmakes, you know, there's
there's a very, very well-knownum memoir by Tara Westover.
It's called Educated.
Literally, millions andmillions and millions of people
have read it.

unknown (14:02):
Yeah.

And she was raised in a very similar
situation as me with the withkind of this extreme religious
belief and homeschooling andwhat have you.
She was raised in south uheastern Idaho.
And many of her stories, I Icould, I could tell you, are so
much like the stories I grew upwith.
And many of the people that herfamily knew, um, my family also
knew because the homeschoolingwas kind of like this tight-knit

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community at the time.
And so, yes, people like theSinger and SWAT families that uh
that bombed a church.
You know, those were those werefriends of my my father.
They practiced polygamy, and mymy my dad didn't didn't condone
that, but almost everythingelse he he had common ground
with them on.
And in fact, at one point hewanted my sister to marry one of

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their sons.
So we were close to all thisextremism and what have you.
And so my point about the aboutTara Westover, for example, is
that it's much easier and itmakes a lot of sense to just
throw out your beliefs and throwout your parents' beliefs and
throw out the the church andeverything with all the bad

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things that happened in yourchildhood.
And you know, if someone'slistening and that's the
situation that you feel you'rein, you know, how could good
people supposedly right, churchpeople hurt me?
Right, right, then I would sayto those people um that God is
greater than that, and thatfaith is greater than that, and

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that there is peace in followingwhat you know is true in your
heart.
I love the I love the quote,you know, doubt your doubts
before you doubt your faith ordoubt your belief.
But so for me, I uh I continueto follow and began to separate
my parents and their beliefsfrom which were somewhere true

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to the true beliefs of thegospel of Jesus Christ.
And uh I eventually uh preparedfor and just prepared to serve
a mission.
And I sort of uh I say in mybook that I disinvited my
parents from that.
And what I mean by that is Itold my parents I was going to
go for me and not because ofthem or for them.

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Because as I became a teenager,you know, I'm gonna have my own
rebellions, and my rebellionswould be different than a lot of
people's rebellions.
My rebellion was I got a job,and my my my mother really
didn't like that because shefelt that uh you know, having a
job and money and everythingwould expose me to bad
influences, and that that hadtainted some of my older
siblings who had all rebelled.

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I mean, they had allessentially run away and done
and done things that theyconsidered my parents considered
rebellious um to differentdiffering degrees.
So um I received my missioncall and it came in the in the
mail.
I opened the packet and itsays, you know, Elder Bagley,
you've been called to serve amission to be representative of

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the church of Jesus of JesusChrist, and you've been called
to serve in the Brazil Kuritibamission.
And I looked at that and said,Oh my gosh, I'm going to Africa
because I just had nounderstanding of world geography
or anything, you know.
So I was like, wow, I'm goingto Africa.
And I was so excited, and andyou're going to speak

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Portuguese.
I'm like, what is that?
I just, it was, it was amazing.
It was so exciting.
So, you know, I pull out a mapand I'm like, oh, okay, South
America, that's cool too.
And I I go, I went into the MTCin the missionary training
center in Provo, Utah.
By the way, I'm used to tellingmy story to people that are not
members of our church.

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And so which has been soenjoyable to get have the
opportunity to expose people whousually don't know or
understand the Church of JesusChrist of Latter-day Saints and
think of it differently thanwhat it is to have an
opportunity to explain to themall of the similar beliefs that
we have and faith in Christ andthings.

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So if I if I say some thingsthat you're like, well, that
doesn't really sound likesomething someone would say, you
know, exacrament meaning.
Well, I I really have beenenjoying and and finding common
ground in my in my uh vernacularof how to speak to people who
are not members of our faithabout our faith.
So it's been really fun.
But um yeah, so I when I wentto the missionary training

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center, I I had to learnPortuguese, which was I was so
excited about, but I really hadto learn English because I
didn't know what a noun was andwhat a verb was and what a
conjugating a verb meant.
I I didn't understand any ofthose things.
And so that was my first.
I would say the MTC was myfirst um educational experience,

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true educational experience,where I sat in a classroom and
was instructed and had to learnsomething.
And and for me it was it wasPortuguese.
And I went to Brazil and Ibecame very good at Portuguese,
had some incredible spiritualexperiences.
I write about a few of them inmy book.
Uh, wonderful people, wonderfulexperiences, and also some

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interesting experiences wheresome of my companions challenged
me on some of the beliefs thatI didn't even, I they weren't
necessarily beliefs that I held,they were just beliefs that had
been taught me by my parents.
And and they were cult, theywere cultural in nature.
For example, my my parentsbelieved that Star Wars was
evil, that that there is no, youcan't have the force because
the force, you know, says thatpower comes from one source and

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that the that the user can makeit good or evil.
And they said I thought thatthat was uh very blasphemous,
that you know, good is from Godand evil is from Satan.
And so they would not allowanything to do with uh Star
Wars.
And so I had this companionthat really challenged me on
that and uh some other things.
And and and, you know, it's notto say that the that the

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theology of Star Wars isperfect, but uh we can find good
in a lot of things.
And he kind of taught me someof those, some of that, you
know, and uh challenged me onsome things.
And so yeah, but my missionaryexperience was incredible.
And I came home from mymission, and uh all of my

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companions were going off tocollege, some were going to BYU,
and some were going to, I had acompanion that was going to
Stanford and some really, reallyprestigious schools and things.
And I was saying, I I need Iwant to make more out of my
life.
And so I got home from mymission and went to a store and
purchased a study guide for thefor the GED.
And sat at home at nights.

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I worked in the day, came homeat night, and would study and
study.
And after several months, I Itook the GED exam and I passed
that exam.
And just before my 22ndbirthday, I got my high school
diploma in the form of a GED.
Awesome.
My father, he saw that and hesaid, you know, what do you need

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to do that for?
You do you need someone to tellyou that you're smart?
Is that is that why you need todo this?
So he still was not umsupportive of what I was doing.
So at that point, I said, Well,now I'm gonna try to get into
college.
I I don't, you know what?
If I can just get there andtake one thing at a time, I can

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figure it out.
And so I I went back to thestore and I purchased the ACT
study guide, and it was like abig book, you know.
I'm like, okay, I'm gonna studyto take the ACT exam.
I study for months.
I showed up at the at the atthe you know at the for the
test, and I'm sitting in thisroom with 16 and 17-year-olds
who are getting ready, you know,doing like juniors in high

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school and what have you,getting ready to take the the
their ACT.
And the great thing about theACT, by the way, is you can't
fail it.
Everybody gets a score, right?
So I didn't fail it, but I didso poorly that you could pretty
much say that I failed it.
And my score was a 16, whichwas so low that I did just so

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much.
You can't, you can't stuff, youknow, 12 grades and 12 years of
school into your head in monthsand and understand it all and
and do it on your own andeverything.
And so I was really let down.
It was it was a verydepressing, major letdown for
me.
So I'm I it's the month thatI'm turning 22.

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I've been home from my missionfor a year.
I I I've got my GED, but Idon't feel like I'm any closer
to school.
And and there's an aspect ofthis that I'm sure someone could
relate to.
You just don't feel like you'regood enough.
You don't feel like you measureup.
Everyone around you is normaland you're not.

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You're different.
You know, you're I don't wantto say stupid, but you feel
stupid.
I mean, it's a strong, youknow, a word that's not a line.
If my daughter's listeningright now, she's gonna be like,
Dad, you said stupid.
You know, you just don't feellike you're good, like you're
good enough.
Uh like you like you arenormal.
And all I wanted in life was tobe normal.
I just honestly, I just wantedto to feel like I I I could be

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in a conversation and understandwhat was being said.
You know, I had a missionarycompanion that said something
about the Holocaust.
I had no idea what he wastalking about.
I I did not know what that termmeant.
I didn't understand about WorldWar II, even though my
grandfather had served in WorldWar II.
I just I just had nounderstanding of the world.

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So after I failed the ACT, myolder brother, who was, you
know, my one one of my parents'more rebellious children, had
sort of like repositioned hislife and had married this
wonderful woman, had gottenmarried in the temple, and you
know, he had a he had had a sonprior out of wedlock, and then

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he sort of just kind of changedhis life around.
And he said, Listen, why don'tyou come down to Las Vegas,
which is where I still livetoday?
Why don't you come down to LasVegas?
We'll help you out, we'll giveyou a place to stay.
And his wife was a registerednurse and she had graduated from
college, and he said, Julie,we'll help.
She's going to help, she'sgoing to help you to learn and

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to and to um get into college.
And I said, I'll do that.
So I left this little town upin Utah.
We had moved to a little townby this point called La Pointe,
the small town outside ofFernal.
I came down to Las Vegas, andmy sister-in-law was incredible.
She went with me to this storecalled Learning is Fun.
And we purchased these all theall the books, grade books for

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math, because that was mybiggest challenge.
I just did not understand mathat all.
And she opened the books andshe's going through them saying,
Hey, you know what?
Where where do you understand?
Like what level are you at?
And we went all the way down tothird grade.
We got down to third grade.
That's the place that Iunderstood math.
It was like very, very, verybasic addition, subtraction, you

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know, multiplication, throw ina fraction, and I have no idea.
So we purchased thosegradebooks, and she sat with me
at their kitchen table on nightsafter long days of work and
would explain things to me thatI could not figure out in those
grade books and help me toprepare.
And then arranged for me tomeet with a college admissions

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counselor at UNLV.
And I went in and said, youknow, I've been declined by
every school I had applied tobecause I I had no transcript.
I had done terribly on the ACT.
And this counselor, she said,you know what, Calvin, I love
your story.
I appreciate that you're inhere talking to me.
I explained her.
I've been working my whole lifesince the time I was a child.

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I had no education.
I've I've everything I'veaccomplished at this point, I've
I've kind of figured out on myown.
And she said, We can't admityou to UNLV, but we can allow
you to audit classes.
So come to school and you cango for two semesters and audit
classes.
And if you get a passing gradeafter two semesters, then we

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will admit you and those andthose classes will count toward
your degree.
And that is how I got intoUNLV.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's awesome.
Yes.
So really cool.
I wish I could say that fromthere it was like smooth sailing
and what have you, but you knowwhat?
It wasn't.

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Um it took me over 10 years toget my my degree in business
administration.
I I wasn't accustomed toclassrooms, lectures.
You know, the first time I evertook a test or wrote a term
paper or anything was incollege.
And so it was a lot to adjustto.
And so I took some, I took somesome deviations.
And one of the interesting,interesting one ones was that I

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became a flight attendant forUnited Airlines because I was, I
my sister had married a flightattendant for Delta, and he told
me what he was doing.
I said, that sounds really fun.
So I ended up moving to Chicagoand became a flight attendant
for United Airlines and had thisreally incredible experience
where it was just flying allover the world, experiencing all

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different cultures, living withpeople of totally different
backgrounds and totallydifferent experiences in life
and beliefs and what have you.
They all became like my like myclosest friends and family.
And learned this love for umtravel that has stayed with me
my entire life.
You know, I've been to all 50states and all seven continents

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and things and um justabsolutely love to go places and
see things.
And but in the back of my mind,there was always this thing,
you know, you you can do more.
Not to say that a flightattendant isn't a lot.
It was amazing.
I loved it, but you can domore.
Go back to school, go back tocollege, you know.
And then I was a flightattendant when 9-11 happened.

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I was in a plane, on the runwayat O'Hare, getting ready to
take off when when uh everythingground to a halt.
And back then, you know, thebest, the best cell phones
weren't even blackberries yet.
I mean, they were just you knowflip phones.
And so um it was it took a longtime, many hours for us to

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return to the gate and to evenunderstand what had occurred
that day.
And so that's one of theinteresting, you know, stories
that I write about in my book.
And after that, I said, okay,it's time for me to go back to
school.
And so I returned to Las Vegas,and this time I came with a
different intention.
And by this point, I was in mylate 20s, and that is when I met

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my wife, um, or kind of re-metmy wife.
We had met before, but and wespent time together and
eventually we're married, andwas, you know, hands down, the
greatest thing that's everhappened to me.
Um, but I come back to schoolat the UNLV, I graduate with my
business administration degree,begin to work for uh a bank and

(28:55):
do a whole bunch of things atthe bank and eventually start my
own business.
And um, and we we begin to, mywife and I struggled with some
things, we struggled with somefertility and what have you, but
you know, that's why I'm 50years old and have a
seven-year-old daughter.
But now we have a our son andour daughter.
Um, we have our little familyhere in Las Vegas, and we have

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our business, and people uh workwith us and for us, and we we
built this culture around takingcare of people and loving
people and doing what's rightfor people, regardless of
whether it's you know umdifficult.
And our company grew.
We help people with Medicare,actually, is what we do.
We're we're an insurance agencythat helps people with

(29:37):
Medicare.
And we've helped over 60,000people in all 50 states to
choose their Medicare insurancenow.
And these things kind of beganto grow um out of uh out of this
belief of you know to always dothe right thing.
And in in church, uh throughoutall of this, uh I stayed.

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I stayed and I stayed and Istayed.
And my testimony grew and grew.
And we were so blessed.
I mean, I connect the successof our business and our personal
life and everything to thegospel and the church.
And about uh, well, I guessit's been six years ago since

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I've been released.
So uh six years ago.
So prior to that, I was calledto be a bishop and served as the
bishop of my ward.
And that was an incredible andthe most difficult and
challenging and wonderful andterrible experience of my life.
And uh, you know, I I I Iwouldn't I wouldn't wish it on

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on anybody, and I would wish iton everybody.

I see Scott over here just nodding.
Yup.
Yeah, right?

I'm going like this.
I was the best.

Yeah, it's like no one should have to do that.
And everyone should do that.
Everyone should have to dothat.
Yeah, exactly.
It was really, it was really achallenge, and um um, but uh but
a great blessing.
And I was blessed with so soincredible people and
relationships um during thattime.
And so, you know, I all of thisto say that um that the only

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reason I'm here is because I Ifelt the hand of God throughout
my life.
If if I mean there's so manyplaces where I was just so close
to uh to um I don't know, justgiving up, giving up on my
faith, giving up on my beliefs.
But that that just thoseexperiences of feeling, the

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warmth of the spirit, you know,when I was baptized, when I was
confirmed, serving on mymission.
Wow, I mean, it just theexperiences of blessing people
and teaching people and thosethings just gave in me this
belief that I that I clung to,even at times of despair, when I
was like, you know, I'm nevergonna be able to go to college,
I'm never gonna be normal, I'mnever going to, whatever.

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And I feel like it was it wasfaith that led me through, which
I just that's why I've told mystory, honestly, because so many
people give up on the faith.
And then about maybe five yearsago, it was after I'd been
released as a bishop.
So I was released as a bishopover six years ago.
So about five years ago, I hada little more time and I said,

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okay, now I'm going to focuseven more deeply on my business.
And I began to join differentbusiness networking groups.
And I found myself in thisgroup called Genius Network with
a man, Joe Polish, who is avery well-known uh business
leader, uh connector andeverything, and uh, a man I've
come I've really come to love.

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And I'm in this room listeningto incredible business leaders.
And there's a business leaderthat I really, really looked up,
look up to, and he had writtena book that we I I led my
business based on his book.
And it's called Traction, andhis name is Geno Wickman.
And he is, if anyone who's inin business um can appreciate

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like who Geno Wickman is, youknow, um, look him up.
He's amazing.
If you don't know who he is, uhhe's coached so many people in
business and taught um peoplehow to do how to scale and grow
their business and someone Ijust respect.
And we're sitting in this room,I'm I'm just so excited.
I'm gonna learn from this greatbusiness mind.
And Joe Polish of the GeniusNetwork, he has this saying.

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He says, sell them what theywant and give them what they
need.
And he's talking aboutentrepreneurs like me.
He's like, you know, get themin the room and they think they
want to learn about marketing,and then you're gonna tell them,
hey, you need to, you need todeal with you're the problem,
right?
Why is your why is your companynot growing?
It's because of you.
You're the problem, right?
So in this room and he goes,Listen, I'm gonna tell you a

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story.
And he starts telling us astory about going to a
conference where someone tellshim to like look inside of his
heart and visualize this andopen his heart and see what he
sees inside.
And he just sees darkness andblack.
And and he's and he kind oftakes us through this similar
exercise.
I'm in this room with just, youknow, about 100 people.
And I close my eyes and do thesame visualization and I

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understand where it's comingfrom.
And I see inside of me shame.
And I don't know where it'scoming from and this lack of of
love for myself.
And I'm like, I mean, I have, Ifought and fought and fought.
I did things that that didn'tseem possible.
I I got my education.

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I stayed, I stayed in thechurch when almost all of my
siblings and other people, youknow, have not.
I became a bishop and I servedand served.
And I loved my congregation.
I loved my youth.
I sent so many young people onmissions and I just, you know,
they're like my my they're likemy boys and and and young women
who I and many of them also wenton missions.

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They're my girls, you know,like I and why don't I love
myself?
Why do I see darkness inside ofme and shame and guilt or
whatever it is?
I don't know what it is.
Why don't I love myself?
Because other people areopening their hearts and they're
seeing rainbows and butterfliesand bunny rabbits and unicorns,
or I don't know what they'reseeing.
Light, happiness.

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Why, why am I not seeing that?
And that led me to my mostrecent part of my journey and
also the reason why I then said,I'm going to tell my story.
And it was to find out why I'mfeeling that shame and guilt and
why I don't love myself.
And it led me to counseling.
And I I always had avoidedcounseling because I was a fur,

(35:44):
I was concerned.
I I say I had gone to maybethree or four different
counselors and they would dolike talk therapies and stuff
like that.
And it just didn't seem like itdid anything.
And um, it also concerned methat so many of them didn't
share my beliefs.
And finally, I found someonewho shares my beliefs, who
shares my faith, and who also umis, you know, counseling people

(36:10):
and helping them to workthrough traumas and what have
you.
And that was the right mix forme.
And so I began to do some workto understand why my body react
certain ways.
Like when my wife says, allright, guys, let's let's have
scripture study.
I want to have scripture study,but why do I why do I feel
tension not understanding thatmy body is reacting as if I'm

(36:32):
sitting in the home as you know,a child in my in my father's
home.
And it doesn't realize thatthat's past.
That happened a long time ago.
But it it's not in the past forme yet.
And so that this experience ofworking with a therapist who who
brings faith and Christ and andmy beliefs and shares them with

(36:54):
me and brings them into thiswith me has been uh an
incredible experience that hasled me to a place where I have
been able to release a lot ofthose things, understand where
they're coming from.
You know, sometimes triggersstill happen.
I never liked the word trigger,but now I understand it.

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I didn't I didn't realize thatthat was that that that was
happening to me, that my I wouldhave reactions to things,
almost visceral reactions to aword or a saying or or a
perceived flight or something.
Um, because I had not put myown traumas into the past.
And I'm not perfect, I've got along way to go.

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I'm still working with my greattherapist John, who I love so
much.
And and the and I've followedso many, I mean, there have been
so many incredible mentors inthe church and in business and
in life.
But I've gotten so much better.
And the thing that I can tellyou that I am most proud of
personally, you know, aside frommy family, of course, is that

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today I can say I love myself,that I that I can see um all the
different parts of me, whetherit's the part that was hurt, the
part that was angry, and thepart that was that was being
shielded, and the part that'ssad, and the part that feels
like it's not good enough,right?
I I've seen all those parts ofme now and embrace them all and
say, you know what, I'm veryproud to be where I am today.

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And when I when I was able towork to the to get to the point
where I could really lovemyself, then I look back and
say, wow, everything thathappened is okay.
And I wouldn't change any ofit.
I wouldn't change the fact thatI didn't have an education and
I had to struggle and fight forit.
I wouldn't change my parentsand some of their wild, you

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know, off, you know, wildbeliefs.
I wouldn't change it.
I wouldn't change losing myprimary teacher in such a
terrible way.
And I wouldn't change that.
Or else I might not arrivewhere I am today.
And so throughout this journey,Heavenly Father has put in
front of me the right people,the right opportunities.
I call them the ladders toclimb, the right ladders to

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climb helped me to arrive here,knowing that I would that that I
would progress and that I couldprogress and become here.
Not not pushing me here, notsaying I was predestined to be
here, but giving me everyopportunity to be here and
probably farther than I am, butI made it to here.
And I'm I'm very grateful forthat.
And I feel like like mygreatest, my greatest

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accomplishment to this pointoutside of outside of my faith
in Christ and my wife and mychildren, is to reach a point
where I love myself and canbrace everything, embrace
everything that has brought mehere.
So that is my the arc of mystory.
That is my what I what I'msharing in my book, you know.

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I would call it a nutshell, butit's a really big nutshell that
has brought me to to where I amtoday speaking with you.

Wow.

Oh my gosh.

You know, it's it's so funny because I I feel
like we're kindred spirit in asense.
And not that I mean I myupbringing was a little
different, but there were somethings, you know, like I I did
have some sexual abuse and stuffthat happened, and and my
parents, I love them tough, butthat's okay.
It really is okay.
Like you said, it's not okaythat it happened, but I'm okay,

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right?
Like it's one of those things.
Like I've done the work to toto do that at this stage in
life.
And and my parents too.
My parents have always had kindof a uh well, my mom was she
was always like, Yeah, geteducated, but my dad was like,
College, he had a very specificsaying, college is for people
who are overeducated and notvery nice.

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Let's just say that, right?
And it was almost like this uhthis hardcore belief from my dad
that if you didn't physicallywork hard, you know, like if you
work smarter, not harder, thatmust mean that you're not a good
person.
That must mean you're takingadvantage of other people.
If you're charging too much foryour services, it means that

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you're taking advantage of thelittle person and then not that
you're actually getting paid foryour skills and for your
education.
And and so I had a lot of likeissues around money and
education growing up that itkind of threw me into this whole
weird state for from the age of18 to 40, where I'm like
relearning all this stuff, andI'm like, and when you're

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talking about your body and howyour body reacts to things, oh
my gosh, that happens all thetime.
And I hate the word triggerstoo.
I feel like it's just overusedand used improperly now.
Uh and so there there are veryum real things that happen in my
body to certain words,situations, people that look a

(41:59):
certain way sometimes, right?
Like the ones who resemble someof my abusers from the past,
that I just instantly I don'tknow what to do.
You know what I mean?
And and it's so hard to kind oftake yourself and be like,
okay, wait, this is what'shappening.
Calm down, brain.
You're safe.
Everything you're feeling isstuff that happened a long time
ago.
That's not gonna happen rightnow.
You're older, you're smarter,you're safe, you're you know,

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and it is like such a struggle.
So to hear the things thatyou've gone through and to see
how far you came, that's justnot only amazing to me, but I
think that so many people haveworked so hard to try to make
everything easy for the nextgeneration, right?
Like I know I do it for mykids, unfortunately, because we

(42:43):
grew up in a rougherneighborhood and I had to
struggle for a lot of things.
I gave my kids a lot.
And now my almost 19-year-old,he tells me he's like, Mom, he's
like, I've got friends, andthey're talking about they had
to deal with this and they hadto deal with that, and I'm
sitting there thinking, I don'tknow, the worst I have to deal
with is my parents tell me Ihave to clean my private

(43:03):
bathroom.
Like share the bathroom withanyone, and it's like, oh, did I
mess up by giving it giving toomuch to my kids, making it too
easy for them because now theydon't know how to struggle, they
don't know how to, you know,work hard for something.
In not all of them, but youknow what I'm saying?
It's like one of those likebands, like I just flipped

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flipped it over and how do youhow do you as a father avoid
that, or do you?
Are you kind of in the sameboat where you're like, here
children have everything?

I totally relate.
I totally relate because I meanit's hard.
I I worry about the same thingsabout, you know, they say hard
times create strong people orhard people and soft times
create soft people or somethinglike that.
Um, I do worry about that, andand my wife and I try to be very
intentional.
But my wife also had to teachme, and I I read about this, how

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she taught me to love ourchildren because some of those
things I equated with with loveuh erroneously.
And, you know, my my kids,yeah, they're they're really not
struggling for anything.
That's the truth.
I mean, they have chores andthey have responsibilities and
what have you, but not like thestruggles that I experienced or

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that you're talking about.
And I'm very happy that theywon't hopefully, you know, will
never struggle with the types ofabuse that I struggled, that I
struggled and experienced.
Um, but not to say that theydon't have to do hard things,
right?
So I tried, I tried very hardto teach my kids to do hard
things.
Like just uh Saturday morning,so yesterday, my I I took my

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daughter, she's seven years old,I took her for a jog and and
was talking with her aboutbecause she's like, Oh, I'm
really tired.
I'm kind of getting, I'm kindof getting a side ache.
And I was telling her, youknow, there are people that can,
their mind can push them past,it can push their body past.
And I started talking to herabout people who run a hundred
miles and all these otherthings.
And she was like, Okay, okay,all right, yeah, I'm ready to

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run again, you know.
So try to teach them thosethings uh and to be and to be
strong.
But uh hopefully, you know, theadvantage that I that I feel
like I gained from fromstruggle, I hope that they
gained from love.
And you know, we'll we'll see,you know.

Okay, I'm gonna bother you for that.
That's amazing.
I I love that thing so much.
Can you repeat it one moretime?

Um, I think I said the advantage that I gained
from struggle, I hope that theywill gain from love.

It's so good.

I love that.

Yeah, that's really good.

You know, Alicia, there's another thing that you
said that uh that uh made methink for a minute.
You were talking about you knowbeing having reactions.
I really hate the word triggerbecause it's being used
improperly so much right now.
But but having reaction andreacting to things, right?
Um, there was there was a therewere two books that have helped

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me so much, and they informedme in in in different ways, but
one of them informed me inhelping me find the right
therapist for me.
And so that one was the bodykeeps the score.
It's a great book.
So many people have read it.
It talks about how the scienceand some of the therapies, but
the science behind why our bodyreacts to things and that

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literally in ourselves, we canhave there, there is memory
within cells, almost like ourentire body has a brain, right?
And and our our right down toour cells, they've proven can
have reactions to things becauseit's afraid that that the
trauma is about to happen again.
And so the body features scoreis talking about how to put the
past in the past and teach ussome therapies around that.

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So that's an interesting uhsecular book.
And then the other one that hasbeen a great blessing for me,
um, and you know, we're we'rehere on Latter-day Lights, so I
obviously the scriptures, theBible, the Book of Mormon, you
know, the doctrine that comesfor the Great Price have blessed
my life infinitely.
But speaking of secular books,there's one called The Power of

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Now, and it's by a philosopherEckert Tolle.
And some people consider him areligious leader, but he's not
he's not connected to religion,but you know, he's a he's a um
uh philosopher, Germanphilosopher.
Eric his book really helped meto quiet my mind and to just
observe.
And it for me it has so manyconnections to the gospel

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because I don't believe that mymind, that I am my mind.
And I don't believe that I ammy body.
I believe that I am my soul andthat that I have a mind and a
body.
And that's you know, we talkabout that we are we we we we
live in the premortal existenceand we came here to have the

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immortal experience.
So often we get caught in ourmind, and we think that our that
we are our mind.
And he goes to great lengths toto dispute that and to say you
your mind can just run crazy andyou have to you have to control
your mind, but you can'tcontrol your mind by thinking,
because if you're thinking,that's your mind.
And so he teaches the way tocontrol the mind is to observe.

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And he talks about the we arethe observer.
And I think of the observer asthe spirit.
And so I my spirit is theobserver, and it and when my
mind starts to go crazy, andwhen I start to feel tension
rising in my chest, that's mymind and my body.
Then I just observe it.
What am I thinking?
What's passing through my mind?
What am I feeling?
And in those moments when Ihave that trigger or that

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reaction or whatever we're goingto call it, as I've gotten
better about observing what thatwhere I've become tense in my
body, which is for me is usuallyin my breathing in my chest,
and what is happening in mymind, I don't have to change it.
I just have to see it, justobserve it.
And then it resolves.

I was gonna say, you're you're gonna go from
someone that had no education touh like this major philosopher
as you get older.
It's my progression.

I was just saying, and not only like that
you have it, but you're sharingit.
I love that you're like outthere, you see you're speaking,
right?
You're sharing your story withother people, not just in your
book, but in speakingengagements.
Is that correct?

Yeah, so now you know, in in because my company's
been very successful inMedicare, I have become a leader
in my space.
And I travel around.
Uh this week I'll be in lastweek, I I was in Los Angeles,
excuse me, I was in Los Angelesand San Diego on two different
stages.
And next week I'll be in um SanJose and in Orlando, and I have

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an opportunity to speak, andusually I'm speaking, and I go
to Washington, D.C.
and get the opportunity to uhspeak with policymakers and
politicians and things likethat.
And usually I'm speaking aboutthings that I see that need to
happen in Medicare and how to uhimprove that program from the
from the perspective ofinsurance agents and the people
that we serve.

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Because we work with everyinsurance company.
And so we're not focused onwhat an insurance company wants.
We're we're looking at what ourclients need and then we're
representing them instead of theinsurance company, instead of
the government.
And so we represent ourclients.
And so it gives me a goodperspective to take back to
Washington.
But my point is that in doingthat, it has given me a platform

(50:22):
to also share um insights andwhat have you.
And just last week, I had itwas really incredible.
The I was on sitting on apanel, and uh the the uh person
leading the discussion, he said,Hey, Calvin, I we have a
question for you now.
And you know, I'm expectingeverything always related to
Medicare.
And he says, We uh I read yourbook, Hiding from the School

(50:42):
Bus.
And and then he led into howdoes this relate to some things
in Medicare and this and thatand the other.
And it just gave me anopportunity to share and connect
my life experience to what'shappening in in business.
And that that opportunity ishappening more and more often.
And that's been great.
And then and then releasing thebook also has led me to being

(51:04):
on a lot of podcasts.
And most of the podcasts thatI've had the opportunity to be
on are Christian podcasts, whereI'm sharing my story and
sharing my faith in Christ andtalking about my beliefs, and
usually with with people ofother Christian faiths or
non-denominational, notnon-denominational Christian
faiths and what have you.
And so it has been a really,really great experience and

(51:25):
opened up a lot of opportunityfor me to share, you know, our
our beliefs as members of thechurch and to connect them
because people, there's so much,I mean, we're we're 99% that we
have in common, but everyonewants to focus on the 1% that is
different, right?
Wow.

Yeah.

So what's your like uh now that you've written
the book and you've kind ofreflected on your life and
things as you've written it,like what do you see going
forward?
What was what do you think thefuture holds?

That's a really good question.
And I get asked that quite abit um because you know, usually
people release a book with apurpose.
And my purpose really was totell my story, and it's a lot of
it is legacy for my family andmy friends, because I have held
most of this in the story that Ishared with you.
Many people close to me have noidea.

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Um, and a lot of people look atme and particularly in today's
like political environment andeverything, and they think,
well, you know, it's probablyborn of privilege and what have
you, because he's had greatsuccess in life, business
success I'm talking about.
And so I how do you how do youdare that?
And so I I I I said, I'm I'mgoing to share the whole picture

(52:39):
and the whole story in a waythat that everything can be
shared.
And but I didn't have this ideathat, oh, this is going to be,
I didn't have this idea thatthis that this book itself is
going to be, you know, New YorkTimes bestseller or that
everyone in the world is goingto read it.
I I really wrote it because Iwanted to share to the people

(53:00):
close to me and give them theexperience of of what my life
was and what I'm very proud ofof accomplishing in my life.
And then my heart is open.
And my and my, you know, ifthere is if there is more that
that that our father in heavenwould have, if there's there's
more that is meant for the book,then I'm open to that.

(53:21):
If as far as it is as it ismeant to go is is a few select
people who and or even just thepeople who know me and now
understand me on a differentlevel, I'm I'm happy with that
too.
Um so that's where I am today,is just just open and willing to
receive whatever, whateveroccurs.
Um, you know, in business, II'm I'm known as a quick start.

(53:43):
So like I like to start newthings.
So I I'm always startingsomething new.
I now am involved in alaboratory that does lab testing
for uh, you know, that doesmolecular testing for for
samples instead of growingthings in a petri dish.
We're like using you knowscience to discover very quickly
what's what's in a sample.
And uh so I and I'm alwaysstarting new things.

(54:05):
And so in business, I just Ijust want to keep creating.
I just love to create.
I love to create and to makenew things and to create um
community with people, andthat's what I'm going to
continue doing.
And if if the book is a part ofthat, then that's great.
If it isn't, I'll tell you whatit has done for me.
It has allowed me to open upand share my story and made me

(54:29):
completely open.
And so when I'm on stage andI'm talking to people, or if I'm
in a group, or if I'm with mywith with colleagues in
business, I feel like I haveofficially given myself
permission to be myself and tobe completely open.
And that has is enough ifthat's all that that comes from
it.
That's awesome.

Wow.
See, we are kindred spirits,and so is Scott.
Like Scott is always startingnew stuff, and he's really good
at starting stuff and beingsuccessful.
I'm really good at startingstuff and being like, that was
fun.
Let's do something else.

Oh, but I feel like we're kindred spirits too,
Calvin, because we have a verysimilar story.
Like really, like I didn'tstart out in the middle of the
backwoods, but we went on ourmissions about the same time.
Um, I got a degree in businessadministration, I'm an
entrepreneur.
I love it.
Yeah, it's crazy.

I love that.
Well, I just I man, this hasbeen such a good one.
I always like when we have, Imean, I love all of our guests,
right?
Don't get me wrong.
Like I always feel somethingwas meant for me in these
stories, but uh truly with you,I just feel like you are such an
inspiration of how to grow, howto use your past and and your

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your hardships and stuff likethat in order to become more of
who Heavenly Father wants you tobe, and how to just be positive
about the things in life thatare thrown your way that
Heavenly Father allows.
I think that's one of thethings that I I try really hard
to remember is that God doesn'tmake things happen necessarily
as much as He allows things tohappen and then He course

(56:10):
corrects when they do, right?
Or He just keeps us on thecourse as long as we're like
doing what we need to do.
And and while yeah, like I Itotally agree with you that
there are so many things thathave happened in my own life and
that are continuing to happennow that are hard and ugly and
unfair.
If it means risking everythingI've learned to change those

(56:35):
things from the past, I'll justkeep them.
Like I'd rather just keep themthan just knowing where I am now
and how much I've grown andlearned.
Because I wouldn't want to riskI wouldn't want to risk a
little bit of just I discomfort,I guess, is really what it is,
right?
And maybe that's a a mild word,right?

(56:57):
But I wouldn't want to just getrid of some discomfort or some
trauma or some whatever else,like it means getting rid of all
the things that had left me atthis point.

That make you you, right?
The past is in service to you.
It it is in service to you,whatever it is that you want to
be, to mean or to be.
So if you want to be a victim,the past is in service to you,
and you can be a victim.
If you want to take the pastand turn and turn it into more
and have it inform you and helpyou to become more, it's in

(57:29):
service to you.
And then the past, and becauseyou can't change what happened,
but you can change the meaningand you can decide what it
means.
And so whatever it is that youwant it to mean, it's in service
to you.

I love it.
You've got a lot of good.

Bumper sticker number two.

That's like four, that's like four or five,
finally.

That's probably what the block is.
Yeah.
My bumper sticker website isldsbumper stickers.com.

Hey, that'll be our next project cohesively.

Yeah, yeah.
Here's here we go.
Quick starts.
I'll fire it up.

Awesome.
Well, Calvin, um, do you haveany thoughts before we wrap up?
Any final thoughts?

Or oh, I really enjoyed this.
Thank you for giving me anopportunity to share my story
and and to be here with youguys.
Um, really enjoyed it.
And I hope that someone findssome inspiration.
Uh, if if you want to learnmore about my story, you can
just go tohidingfromthschoolbus.com or
search hiding from the schoolbus anywhere that you read or
consume books.
And uh and you know, I it'sit's a very heavy story.

(58:39):
And I've had some people tellme they get into the first the
first few paragraphs and say, ohmy gosh, uh, I don't know if I
can read this.
I promise that uh it turns outwith a happy ending.
But uh yeah, that if if it ifit interests you, then then look
it up there onhoneyfronteschoolbus.com.
And I hope that something Isaid today can be a benefit to
someone.

Perfect.
And we'll be sure to put thethe links for those in the
description so anyone can justclick and find.
But man, this has been sogreat.
I love this.
I like when my cheeks arehurting at the end of the show.
As opposed to having all mymakeup cried off.
So this has been fantastic.
You are just such a delight.

So I was just gonna thank him for for coming
on and and thank everyone fortuning in to to hear Calvin and
his story today.
And if you have a story thatyou'd like to share, go to
latterdaylights.com or send usan email at latterdaylights at
gmail.com and we'll have you onthe show like Calvin.

Yeah, and absolutely, listeners, please
make sure that you guys arecommenting on here.
Let us know what your favoritepump for sticker moment was.
What we should make for for theworld to to have.
Um tell Calvin just you knowwhat you think of his story and
and the life that he sharedtoday.
And uh be sure to do that fivesecond missionary work.
Hit that share button.

(59:59):
You never know.
Who needs to hear exactlywhat's talked about?
So, all right.
Well, with that, we are gonnasign off until next week.
Uh, Calvin, again, thank you somuch.
You're welcome to come backanytime and chat with us.
Share any other story with us.
We would love it.

Calvin Bagley (01:00:16):
Thank you, Scott and Alicia.
I appreciate it.

Alisha Coakley (01:00:19):
All right, guys.
Well, that's all we have foryou today.
Make sure you join us next weekfor another episode of Latter
Day.
Talk to you later.

Scott Brandley (01:00:26):
Bye bye.

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