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Scott Brandley (00:00):
Hey everyone, I'm Scott Brandley.

Alisha Coakley (00:02):
And I'm Alisha Coakley.
Every member of the church hasa story to share, one that can
instill faith, invite growth andinspire others.

On today's episode we're going to hear how
one entrepreneur, led by theLord to develop an academy for
future leaders, is rememberingto seek first the kingdom of God
while pressing forward withfaith.
Welcome to Latter-day Lights.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Latter-day

(00:39):
Lights.
We're so glad you're here withus today and we're really
excited to introduce our specialguest, patrick Sedivy, to the
show.
Welcome, patrick, thank you.

Patrick Sedivy (00:45):
It's great to be here.

Thanks so much for reaching out to us.
Scott and I are thrilled to beable to speak to you, because we
love all things entrepreneur,all things personal growth and
development, all thingsleadership.
It's going to be a good show.
I think there's going to be alot of talking on Scott's part
in this show, so some listenersmight be very happy to hear that

(01:10):
.

but I'm pressure , you're putting the pressure on
Alisha.

I know, I know, I know, but I'm really excited.
I'm going to try to likecontain some of my excitement,
like hold it down so that youcan have the main floor.
But we are, we just we lovethis topic and we love what
you're doing.
And it's really cool becausethere's actually a funny thing.
I just found out one of ourformer guests, Jordan Robbins,
his brother, I believe, Seth,it's his name, Seth Robbins.

Yes.

Came and helped you for one of your leadership
things.
And I was like oh, what a smallworld.
And it was literally rightafter I got done talking to you
on the phone that I saw Jordanshare on his Facebook that his
brother had went and like taughta class or did something with
your academy.
And I was like what a smallworld, because I don't know Seth

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, I know Jordan.
And then I just got the phonewith you and I was like what?
It was just like one of thoseaffirmations that the Lord gives
me where I'm like we're on theright track.
This is a guest that we need tohave on air.

So it's all exciting.
That's cool.
I love it.
Yeah Well, Patrick, why don'tyou tell us a little bit about
yourself?

All right, sounds good.
Well, I'm just a normal guy,father of five kids.
Three are grown up and out ofthe house and we've got two
still at home.
Just for a couple more years,and then we'll be empty nesters.
Nice, I was born in Canada, inMontreal.

Hey me too.

Really.

I'm from Alberta .
You guys are like twinning.

Yeah.

Well, maybe we're going to talk hockey in a
little bit, but yeah, so Ijoined the church when I was 18.
Went on my mission to the CzechRepublic, which is actually
where my parents are from.
They defected from communistCzechoslovakia in 1969.
And after my mission gotmarried.

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My wife actually served hermission in the Czech Republic as
well.
So we both have ties to thatbeautiful, beautiful country and
we are serial entrepreneurs.
My wife and I have pretty muchdone business together ever
since, you know, kind of thefirst year of our marriage, all
the way till now.

So that's awesome.
Yeah, I have to say that is ahard, hard thing.
I've always been like a low keyentrepreneur, like doing my own
little thing, and we're justnow getting to that point where,
like we just bought a businessand we're working you know my
husband and I working side byside and I'm like I do not like
you, Go away, Go work withsomeone else.

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Kudos to you and your wife forbeing able to work multiple
businesses for a very long timetogether.
That's a very hard thing to do.

Alisha, I know exactly what you're going
through.
It actually took a lot of workand effort to run a business
together as a married couple,because you're not only partners
, you're also spouses, right,and you're always together and
typically we're very differentfrom each other.
If you and your husband areanywhere anyway, like me and my

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wife, we're like opposites ohyeah, so it took us a good 10
years to figure out how to stayin our own lanes, but yeah okay,
well, I guess I'll just startclocking the years yeah, start
that timer my wife.

My wife doesn't like business at all and so
every time I talk to her hereyes kind of glaze over and
she's just like miles and nods.
But anyway, yeah, that'sawesome.
That's why it works for youguys, yeah.
But yeah, we're really excitedto hear your story, patrick, so

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why don't we turn the time overto you and tell us where your
story begins, my friend?

If you want to know where the story begins, let
me start with my parents, thenmy parents, as I mentioned, are
from Czechoslovakia.
They both grew up in verystrong Catholic families.
They were very, very faithfulyou know, going to church

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faithfully every Sunday, and youknow church and religion was a
very deep part of their life.
However, where they lived inCzechoslovakia, under communism,
that was very much oppressed.
So ultimately they ended updefecting from Czechoslovakia,
ended up in Canada, which iswhere I was born, and I grew up

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being an altar boy, helping inmass on Sundays and so forth,
and ultimately actually I wantedto be a priest.
I think I mentioned that here Idid want to be a priest.
I think I should mention thathere I did want to be a priest
when I was younger and then,when I was about 16-ish years
old, I started to have a lot ofquestions I think a lot of young

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people have questions at thatage and questions about God and
faith and religion and all thatkind of stuff.
So that desire to become apriest kind of just slowly went
away and I just wanted to have acareer and whatnot.
So yeah, that was the veryorigins of my story and I think

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it's important to understandthat part, because then you
understand my tie to the CzechRepublic.

That's awesome.

So when I was 18 , I had a friend in school who
had gone to a summer camp calledShad Valley and this was a kind
of interesting summer camp.
It's a program where they had10 different locations where

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they ran this program and everyone of the locations were on a
university campus, likeUniversity of New Brunswick,
university of Nova Scotia,university of Manitoba and had
one at Waterloo University.
So at these differentuniversities they'd get a group
of about 50 students together,usually 18 or 19 year olds, and

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it was kind of like a geek camp,if you will, for people who
were in the top of their classat school and what they were
hoping to do is just and whatthey were hoping to do is just

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give them exposure to a lot ofdifferent fields so that they
can choose what field theywanted to go in for their
profession and career.
So, for example, as part ofthis program, you know, we would
just live on campus there for amonth and every day we would
have a different professor come,like a biologist, and he would
share the cutting edge stuff ofwhat he was researching.
Or then we'd have a programmercome the next day and talk about
what they were doing and we'dhave a chemist come and she

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would talk about chemistry andso on and so forth, and so we
get the exposure to all of thesedifferent fields of study and
at the same time, we had somereally fun projects.
We did some really fun outingsand excursions.
But the reason why I share thisstory is because it was at this
summer camp where I met anindividual.

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Her name was Cheryl Pinkney andshe was actually the program
manager and she was doing it asan internship for BYU.
She was at BYU and she wasgetting ready to go on a study
abroad in Switzerland and one ofthe languages the main

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languages in Switzerland isFrench.
I happen to speak Frenchfluently, being from Montreal
area, which is part of Canada,to speak French fluently, being
from Montreal area, which ispart of Canada.
And so she came up to me at onepoint in the first few days of
the program and she said I'mgoing to Switzerland and I just
need to practice my French.
You know, I learned French inschool but it's just not great
and I need to practice it so Ican communicate better.

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And so so I agreed and Ihappened to be, out of all 50
students, all of them fromCanada.
I happened to be the only onethat actually spoke French
fluently.

No way.

Yeah, I don't believe in coincidences, by the
way.
Ok, so the way.
I mean I didn't want to teachher grammar or anything like
that.
That's how boring is that?
So I just figured, well, I'mjust going to speak to her.
Right, the more we talk inFrench, the better she'll get.
And so literally, we wouldspend hours after the day was

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over, usually late night,usually breaking curfew of the
program, and we would just sitin the cafeteria and just talk
in French.
So we got to know each otherpretty well and I knew, you know
, she would ask questions aboutreligion.
So I knew she was veryreligious, I knew that she was a
member of the Church of JesusChrist of Latter-day Saints, she

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knew I was Catholic and youknow we knew a lot about each
other just from all of theseconversations.
Well, about halfway through theprogram, the program director
decided to fire her, but keepher on until the end of the
month, until the end of theprogram, which didn't really

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make sense.
Basically, the effect of himfiring her was I'm not going to
sign a paper saying youcompleted this internship.
So she was really distraughtabout that and really upset in
our conversation.
And because I knew she wasreligious.
I said well, why don't you pray?
And so she did.

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And you know, being Catholic,we're used to saying the Lord's
Prayer repeatedly or otherprayers that are repeated.
And she prayed very differently.
She prayed very sincerely and Ihad never in my life heard or
felt a prayer like that before.

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I really felt the Spirit atthat time, not knowing it was
the Spirit, but I just feltsomething.
It was a spirit, but I justfelt something right, and so
that kind of just sat, but Ijust had this feeling, you know.
And then forward, a couple ofweeks later, as the program
ended and I was headed home, shegave me a copy of the Book of

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Mormon and in my mind I wasthinking okay, I've taken a
bunch of philosophy classes,I've taken a copy of the book of
Mormon, and in my mind I wasthinking, um, okay, I've taken a
bunch of philosophy classes,I've taken a bunch of logic
classes.
Um, this will be easy to provethat it was written by a person.
And there's a bunch ofcontradictions, right, I mean,
it's five pages of a book that'ssupposed to match doctrinally

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with the Bible.
I'm like take walk to provethis is wrong, and then I'm
going to pull.
So I went home with the Book ofMormon in hand, ready to prove
it was wrong, and I have to saythat was my best failure of my
life.

Wow.

That's awesome.
It's interesting because I wasjust thinking about like one of
the comments that we had had inSunday school today where
someone had like been reallydisappointed that they lost a
job or whatever, had to be ableto get into this other job to

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meet somebody else who then wasgoing to be able to share the
gospel with them, and stuff likethat.
And it's just interesting howthe Lord works like that
sometimes.
Had she not been disappointed,exceedingly disappointed would
she have ever brought that up?
Would she have had that prayer?
Would you have felt something?
Would she have felt led to giveyou the Book of Mormon?
It's just interesting to seeyou know how God can use

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failures and disappointments tolike you know this came up in
our Sunday school class today aswell.

You know, we were just talking about how the
Lord leads us through thingsthat are sometimes difficult and
unexpected, painful, and thosethings are the very things that
we need for our own progress andgrowth.

So yeah, just like you said, yeah, so did you
keep in contact with herafterwards, cause you were only
there for a short time?
She was only there for a shorttime, yeah Right, so like what I
mean, what happened after youread the Book of Mormon and OK.

So I took the Book of Mormon home, trying to
prove it was false, right, and Istarted reading it.
I did have maintained contactwith her, we stayed in touch, we
actually talked over the phonequite often, still, still, and

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she suggested at one point thatI just talk to the missionaries
because I was having somequestions that she probably was
struggling to answer, and so Iended up calling up the
missionaries inviting them totalk, and so we started talking
about some things.
The second visit we had, theyinvited me to be baptized and I
just laughed at them.
The second visit we had, theyinvited me to be baptized and I
just laughed at them.
So that kind of just startedthat conversation with with the

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missionaries.
I I could, even though Ilaughed at them, I still
continued to meet with them and,um, you know, I I just at no
point did I really feel like,okay, this, this is the truth,
or anything like that, like theBook of Mormon is the Word of
God.
I didn't feel that.
In fact, they challenged me toread and pray and I did, and I

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didn't feel like I really got ananswer to that question of
whether the Book of Mormon wastrue, and what I did feel is
just keep going forward.
I felt God just telling me keepwalking, keep walking along
this path.
And so I did.
And at one point I felt likethe Lord was saying keep walking

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, get baptized.
And so I did.
Can get baptized.
And so I did.
And I remember very distinctlythe day I was going to be
baptized it was actually aSunday that I was going to get
baptized after church.
I'm there sitting in church and, by the way, my parents
obviously were not very happyabout this.
My parents were Catholics.

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My mom wanted to be a nunbefore she got married and my
dad wanted to become a priestbefore he got married.
I happen to have uncles andcousins who are priests, so
that's kind of just gives you anidea of how important the
Catholic church was to.

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Obviously they weren't veryhappy about the fact that I was
going to visit the Mormon church, right, or, uh, going, you know
, reading, meeting with themissionaries and so forth.
So anyway, here I am, sittingin sacrament meeting.
Uh, the day I was going to getbaptized and I just had all
these fears and doubts juststart like coming in upon me and

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as I was just sitting there, Ijust grabbed my Bible.
I picked it up and I justrandomly flipped it open and it
landed on Matthew, chapter 14,where Jesus is walking on the
water right and all of thedisciples that were in the boat

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were afraid.
They didn't know what it was,whether it was a spirit or
whatever, and they got afraidand Peter said Lord, if it's you
, tell me to come out on thewater.
And then he steps out and theLord says, come, tell me to come
out on the water.
And then he steps out on theand the Lord says come.
And so he steps out on thewater and he starts walking on
water.
And it's funny because mostpeople actually focus on the

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fact that he started sinking buthe was walking on water, which
is, I mean and he was the onlyone that got out of the boat.
Yeah, exactly yeah.
But uh, then he's walkingtowards Jesus and he feels he
notices the wind and the wavesall around him and all of a
sudden he gets really scared.
It's like what on earth am Idoing Right?

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And as that fear sets in, hestarts to sink and he cries out
for help and the Lord justreaches down and says oh ye of
little faith.
Lord just reaches down and says, oh ye of little faith.
And as I read this passage, Ijust felt so deeply connected

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with that experience.
I felt like Peter's experiencewas exactly what I was going
through right there in thatmoment, metaphorically, not
physically, walking on water,obviously, but just the Lord
beckons me to come unto him andI start coming, and then I just
get afraid of all of the stuffthat's around.
Right, I'm going to say all ofthis stuff, Am I doing the right

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thing?
Is this really the true church?
Is it a cult, Whatever?
Blah, blah, blah, Right.
All these fears and all thisdarkness just starts coming in.
And I just called out in myheart and in my mind with fear
and I opened this passage and itwas like the Lord was talking
directly to me, saying oh ye oflittle faith, you know.

Wow.

That story, that experience just really calmed
me and so I went through with it.
I I got baptized and, uh,looking back now, I have no idea
why the missionary whointerviewed me before my baptism
actually approved me to getbaptized really so, like I,

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you're probably familiar withsome of those baptismal
questions.
But some of them were like doyou believe the Book of Mormon
to be the Word of God?
And I literally answered.
I said it's a good book, I'veread it, it has good things in
it, but I have no idea.
Yeah, word of God.

Wow.

Okay.
Do you believe Joseph Smith wasa prophet?
I don't know.
I've never met him.
Obviously it seems like he didgood things.
Um, do you believe presidentezra taft benson, because he was
the prophet at that time?
Do you believe president ezrataft benson to be a prophet of
god?
Like I don't know, I've nevereven heard him speak.

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He was sick at the time, so hepassed the time when he was, you
know, giving general conferencetalks and so forth.
So those are the kinds ofanswers I gave to all of the
questions, right?

Right.

And so, anyway, so, by some miracle, this
missionary elder, oh, I can'tremember his name, oh, shoot,
that's too bad anyway.
Uh, he, he approved me to bebaptized and uh, so I was
baptized and I just kept walkingdown the path and I remember

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other members of the ward weresaying so are you going to go on
a mission?
Because I was 18, right?

and after a year after your baptism, you could
go to the temple.

You could go to go on a mission Because I was 18
, right, and after a year, afteryour baptism, you could go to
the temple, you could go on amission.
I would have been just 19 in afew months, basically.
At the time, you know, by thetime I was a year in the church
and so people were asking me areyou going to go on a mission?
President Spencerencer wkimball says that every worthy

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able-bodied male it's like Idon't want to serve a mission.
I don't feel like I should servea mission.
I just want to be a nuclearphysicist, I just want to go to
university, right?
So that's what I had in my mind.
Well, months later, months goby and I just started getting
these feelings like, well, maybeyou should go on a mission,

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maybe that would be a good thing.
And so, slowly, the Spirit'sjust working on me and
ultimately I just feel like theLord's just telling me go serve
a mission.
So I get ready to go on amission, still don't have what I
would say or what I would feelis a testimony of the gospel, of

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the restored gospel.
I believed in god.
Oh, I believed in god veryfirmly.
I mean, that was I mean from.
My parents gave that to me,that that faith right, and that
belief believed in jesus christand in fact I felt like I would
have, I felt like I could hearhim.
You know, to use presidentnelson's words, um, at times,

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but never with an answer to thequestion is the book of mormon
true, or is the church true, oris joe sm Smith a prophet, or
any of that?
Well, I decide to go on amission.
I go to the MTC and one day Iremember Elder Kikuchi gave a

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talk and for anybody who knowsElder Kikuchi, he's a very
powerful speaker, generalauthority, who was, I believe,
from Japan, and I think he wastasked with giving the
repentance talk in the MTC,because he called every

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missionary in that room andthere were hundreds or if not
maybe a few thousand.
He called every missionary torepentance.
Wow, few thousand.
He called every missionary torepentance.
So I go to my room after thisdevotional and I get on my knees
and I just start repenting ofeverything, everything I can

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think of, and as I'm repenting Ijust have this strongest
feeling come over me your sinsare forgiven you.
And I knew in that moment thatmy sins were forgiven.

Wow.

It was kind of like an christ.
I knew that he was my saviorand it was a very, very personal
thing and, as I was, I had beenpraying to know if the book of
mormon is true.
I mean, I was in the mtcTC andmy thought pattern was look, if
I'm going on a mission, if I'msupposed to be teaching and

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testifying of Joseph Smith, theBook of Mormon, the church and
all that kind of stuff, I betterknow it's true.
I don't want to be lying or doI want to go and just waste two
years doing nothing?
So I had been praying aboutthat in the MTC and, as I had

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this feeling of being forgivenof my sins, I decided to ask
those questions because I feltextremely close to the spirit,
might I say even enveloped bythe spirit.
Right, it was like my wholebody was feeling like.
It was like if Jesus Christ wasstanding next to me.

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Is the way it felt right?
Or just wrapped in a blanket?
I don't know.
I don't know how to describe itexactly, but I decided to ask.
So, is the Book of Mormon true?
I'm going on a mission and Ireally want to know, and this
feeling that I had when I feltthe Lord telling me your sins

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are forgiven.
You just came back to me reallypowerfully, and so at that
moment I knew that the Book ofMormon was true and it's the
Word of God.
So that kind of emboldened me.
So I asked the next question onmy mind, which is is Joseph
Smith a prophet?
And that same feeling came backagain.

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And then so a couple minuteslater, I decided to ask the next
question is the Church of JesusChrist of Latter-day Saints the
true church?
And that feeling came backagain.

Wow.

It was strong and so I had a really, really
strong testimony at that moment.
A couple weeks later, still inthe MTC, I was reading the Book
of Mormon and I actually startedto read the Book of Mormon from
the beginning again and I wasreading the introduction and
kind of towards the bottom ofthe page of the introduction, it

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talks about Moroni's promise.
It references Moroni's promisein Moroni 10, verses 3 through 5
.
It references Moroni's promisein Moroni 10, verses 3 through 5
.
And after it quotes that orreferences the Moroni's promise
in the introduction, it saysthose who pursue this course
will come to know by the powerof the Holy Ghost, that Jesus

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Christ is the Savior andRedeemer of the world, that the
Book of Mormon is the Word ofGod, that Joseph Smith is his
prophet in these latter days andthat the church of Jesus Christ
of latter day saints is thekingdom of God set up for.
There's something like I'mparaphrasing now, but you know
the second coming or somethinglike that.

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And when I read that andrealized that those were the
exact same four things that Ihad received a testimony of just
two weeks earlier, the spiritcame back just as strong as that
night, a couple of weeks.
And so it was a really strongreconfirmation and testimony to

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me that what I felt two weeksearlier was the spirit, and so,
from that point on, I have neverdoubted the truthfulness of the
gospel.

Oh, my goodness.

That was my foundation.

Wow, oh man.
I wish I could get a wholedownload of information as
quickly as I mean, not that itwasn't you know, it took you
time to get it, but to all atonce.

That's wow, that's amazing yeah, and the
interesting thing is it's justyou know, I didn't know right
away.
Some people want to know beforethey do anything.
I guess one of the things Ilearned through that experience
is you have to walk forward withfaith and you have to do before
the testimony comes.

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Right At one point in the NewTestament the Lord's talking to
his disciples and he says Notthose who say Lord, lord will
enter into the kingdom of God,but those who do the will of my
father and those who do the willof Lord will enter into the
kingdom of God.
But those who do the will of myfather and those who do the
will of my father will know thedoctrine that it is of me.

Yeah.

Also, and you shall receive no witness until
after the trial of your faith,exactly.

Yeah that.
That all happened in the NTC.
Yes, yes and where were yougoing on your mission?
I don't remember if you sharedthat in in.
I mean, I know, but like um forour guests or for our audience
members yeah, great question.

So, um, when I was preparing to go on my
mission, there was just a coupleplaces I absolutely did not
want to go.
People were asking where do youwant to go on your mission?
I thought I always thoughtIsrael would be cool.
Right, but obviously, israel,yeah, into missionary work, um,
but I said, okay, anywhere butinner city, anything.

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I didn't want to go to LA, newYork City, chicago, detroit.
I just I'm a country guy, right, I need wide open spaces.
You know, keep me away fromgangs and that kind of thing
Don't like it.
That's why I didn't like innercity.
And so, anywhere not inner cityand anywhere not the Czech

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Republic, guess, where I wascalled Czech Republic.

Was it in an inner city?

Well, no, not really.
I mean, you do have.

That's good, you got half of your wishes.

Exactly, but it just felt like I don't want to
go back to where my family'sfrom you know, anyway.
So I I got called there and Iwas not super happy initially.
Then, when I was the mtc, Ithought okay, well, this is kind
of cool because I already speakczech, because my parents are
czech.

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Right, we spoke czech right andso I thought this is kind of
cool, I already have a leg up,an advantage.
And then I got there and themoment I walked off the plane
and saw the local Czechs, I'mlike, hmm, that looks like my
grandma, that person looks likemy uncle, and I immediately

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recognized the gene pool.
Everybody looked extremelyfamiliar.
Not only that, but as I startedserving I noticed that
everything they do is exactlywhat my family did, but nobody
else in Canada around me did.

Wow.

Things like we took off our shoes when we got
in the house and put slippers on, for example, right, or the
food we got in the house and putslippers on, for example, right
.
Or the food we ate, the kind offood we ate, or just the way we
interacted with people and I soit was the gene pool and just
the culture were all what I grewup with and I just fell in love

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with people.
So, I fell in love with thecountry, the culture, the people
, and that changed a lot.

Wow, almost like the Lord, I don't know knew
what he was doing, or somethingRight, right, wow.
Now you mentioned that yourwife served in the Czech
Republic too, and so like at thesame time did you guys meet
there?

So she's a little bit older than me, she
she started her mission before Idid, but most of our missions
did overlap.
I don't really rememberinteracting with her except on
one occasion, and that wasactually the day she was coming
home or going home from themission.
I was in the mission home andran into her, and so I just

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asked her.
I said so what are you goinghome to?
And she said oh well, you know,I waited for this guy on his
mission and he waited for me onmy mission.
So I'm going home to marry thisguy.
That's the only conversation Iever remember having with her.
Oh my gosh, Even though eventhough I do choke with joke with
people sometimes that we werecompanions as missionaries, but

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most people don't believe me.
I find somebody who does andthat's funny.

Oh wow.
So was she back.
Like did you guys live both incanada?
Were you both called fromcanada like how did that happen?

no, so she, uh, she was born in michigan but
grew up mostly in uh provo, andso she was here and when I uh
well, I guess I should add thispart of the story she probably
made the first move, if youcould want to put it that way,

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one day after I was home from mymission in Canada, you know,
several months after I was home,I get a phone call out of the
blue at like 11 o'clock at night.

Oh, wow.

And as a good return missionary, I was already
in bed at 11 o'clock at nightand I get this phone call.
It's her and we start talkingfor a little bit and she says I
just was thinking of you and Ihave a book that I'd like to
send you.
So she got my address, shemails me this book and so forth.

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I for sure remember that Iresponded to her letter.
I didn't have mail back then,right, I mean, it's just all
snail mail and she does notrecall me ever responding to
that letter really um, I thoughtI had, but anyway.
Um, then fast forward.
I end up going to byu uh to goto school, and we met at a

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mission reunion, we kind ofremet, and so we talked for a
few minutes and she was teachingat the senior MTC at that time,
and so she invited me to comehelp her teach the missionaries
to learn Czech, because my Czechwas a lot better than hers was.
So I go to teach themissionaries, and after that

(34:24):
lesson that night I invited herto go on a walk around campus
and that started our dating, and28 days later we were engaged.

You didn't even wait a whole month.
Nope, wow, man, you likesurpassed the stereotype there,
you like surpassed thestereotype there.

Well, you know, what's really cool is that, as
missionaries, when you're notthinking about dating at all or
anything like that.
And there's no way she wouldhave been interested in me,
because I was yourquintessential nerd geek, you
know, and just the way I dressed, I had no clue how to dress.
You know, normally, um had adress, you know normally Um, so,
um, she had no interest in meat that time and I just was not

(35:19):
thinking that at all, um, butyou get to see people in their
true light when you're not in adating scenario.
So I saw her as a missionary whoshe was and she saw me as a
missionary who I was and workethic and values and that kind
of thing.
So that kind of helps cutthrough all of the stuff and

(35:41):
months kind of trying to cutthrough in the normal dating
scenarios.

Nice, that would cut out a lot of that
foundational.
You know stuff, when you startto date right, you can kind of
skip a lot of that.

Yeah, because you try to hide who you really
are.
You try to put your best footforward and you never know.
You're always wondering is thisreally how this works?
Yeah that's cool.
So anyway, so we got marriedTypical, you know, young broke
student, you know as we startedhaving kids while I was still in

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school, before we had three bythe time I was graduated.
And then, a few years after Igraduated I think it was about
four years after I graduated mydad, who happened to be living
in the Czech Republic at thetime passed away, and this was
actually another reallyinteresting experience.

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So, my mom, it was a Sundaymorning, I remember still.
You know, I tend to read thesekey moments in my life.
I tend to remember a lot ofjust the surroundings, of what's
going on at the time, and Iremember where I was in the
house.
My mom called me, let me knowthat my dad had passed away, and

(37:05):
I just remember going up to getready for church, getting in
the shower and just having thisreal peace and calm feeling.
I did not feel despair as mybrothers I have, you know, I
have older siblings, five oldersiblings and my brothers in
particular felt this despair atmy dad's passing because they

(37:26):
felt like they had unresolvedissues with him, unsaid things
that were unsaid or undone right.
But I just had this tremendouscalm and I remember going to
church and our kids getting intothe pew and my wife sitting
down, and I sat down and I leftthis space next to me for my dad

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and I remember feeling thedistinct feeling that my dad was
sitting there next to me atchurch the first time he'd ever
come to church because he hadnever gone when he was alive and
I just felt like he had anunderstanding of what I, what I

(38:15):
was doing and why I joined thechurch and all that that was so
cool, give me crying here, wow.
But yeah, that was a dear, dearexperience to me and anyway, we
went.
We ended up, my wife and Iended up flying to the Czech
Republic for his funeral and itwas a beautiful funeral, lots of

(38:39):
people there.
My mom went and some of mysiblings not all could make it,
but some of my siblings made itand it was a beautiful funeral.
But after the funeral and as wewere getting ready to fly back
home, we decided to stop by themission home just to say hi to
the missionaries, see how thework was going and all that kind

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of thing, right.
And so we stopped by themission home and I remember the
mission president.
He sees us and we kind ofintroduced ourselves and his
name was President Chittister.
He grabs me by the arm and he'snot a very large man but he had

(39:21):
a firm grip and he just grabs meand he took us into this room.
I still remember exactly theroom it was and he sits us down
and, um again, I, these are.
This is this case where Iremember the surroundings.
I remember exactly the roomwhere it was, um, and what it
looked like and felt like around.
And, uh, he just startedsobbing and he said I'm going

(39:44):
home, I'm finishing my missionin about three months and you
guys are a dime a dozen in Utah.
You need to move here.
And he said I don't care whatyou do, I don't care what
callings they give you, I don'tcare what you do for work, you
just need to be here and just bea strength to the saints here

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in the Czech Republic.
No pressure, no pressure.

You just need to be here and just be a strength
to the saints here in the CzechRepublic, and so that pressure.

So my wife and I who I mean both of us served
our mission there.
I've got family who still livesin the Czech Republic.
You know I still stay in touchwith them.
I'll go visit them from time totime when I'm there and we're
flying home and we always wantedour kids to learn Czech and we

(40:34):
wanted them to be part of thatheritage you know part of who I
am and we just never were ableto.
I mean, as a young couple withkids, I mean you're juggling
everything.
You're juggling just makingends meet.
You're juggling raising kids,you're pulling out your hair.
You know juggling school for agood part of it, and we never

(40:59):
had the time to teach our kidsCzech or anything like that.
It was always too impracticalto speak Czech to each other,
always a lot more efficient todo it in English.
So we went home on that planeand we talked pretty much the
whole flight home.
We talked about well, what ifwe were to move to the Czech

(41:22):
Republic?
And at that time we already hadour own business.
We had a store, a retail storecalled Elisa's Bridal and where
we sold wedding dresses and promdresses and stuff like that,
and we were running that storeand we were like there's no way.

(41:44):
The store is in a positionwhere we could just leave and
live on another continent.
So by the time we got home onthat flight, we kind of
concluded okay, let's go to theCzech Republic in two or three
years, after we've put things inorder, hired the right manager,
trained the right manager, putsystems and processes in place

(42:11):
so that we feel comfortable tobe able to leave.
So that's kind of what was inour mind.
And then, a couple months afterthat, we're sitting in Sunday
school and I just get thisstrongest impression move to the
Czech Republic now.
Wow.
My wife was sitting just to theleft of me and I just leaned

(42:32):
over to her and I whispered inher ear.
I said we're supposed to moveto the Czech Republic right now.
She leaned back and whisperedto me what does now mean?
I just told her.
I said how soon as we canpossibly make it happen.

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Well, to make a long storyshort, within two months we were
on a plane with our threelittle kids and our dog flying
to the Czech Republic.
And my wife asked me so whereare we going to live?
And I said I don't know.
Oh my God Live.

(43:16):
Yet Things were too busy andhectic with the business and
everything, and so I haven't hadtime to do that.
And she goes.
Well, did you pick a city wherewe're going to live?
And I said, yeah, well, I'mthinking Brno, the city where
you know I served.
You know it was one of my areas, and people are super friendly
in that city.
It's a great place to raisekids.

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So so that's what I'm thinking.
And she's like okay, well, weland in Prague, we rent a car,
we drive down to Brno it's acouple hours away and we rent a
bed and breakfast place for afew days.
And I just at this payphonegoing through all of the
classified ads looking for anapartment or a place where we

(44:10):
could stay, and my wife iswalking around the park with our
kids and our dog while I'mdialing to find a place to stay,
and and I've quickly found outthat landlords in Europe are not
super excited about having afamily with three little kids.

(44:32):
So we were getting turned outleft and right, just turned down
over and over again.
It's like how many kids do youhave?
I mean, the average family inthe Czech Republic has 1.5 kids
at best.
Right, oh, wow.
And we have three kids.
So to them, we're like, whatare you doing?
The average family in the CzechRepublic has 1.5 kids at best.
Right, oh, wow.
And we have three kids.
So to the to them, we're like,what are you doing?
You're like recklesslyoverpopulating.

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So, um, I was getting turneddown and and and then, if
anybody got past the okay, youhave three kids.
And then I mentioned we have adog too.
It's like, oh, definitely not.
Anyway, finally, we come acrossthis place where they, uh, they

(45:17):
say, um, yeah, we're okay If youhave three kids, we're okay If
you have a dog.
And so it happened to be afamily who had a lot of kids and
a bunch of dogs too.
So they're very understanding,right, yeah.
But they said, well, there'sone problem we're not quite
finished getting it ready yet.
When do you want to move in?
And I said right away.

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And they said, ok, well, comehave a look and see what you
think.
And so they got their entirefamily trying to get everything
finished and ready and cleaned.
They were almost done, but notquite.
And so we come, we look at it,we say we'll take it, because I
knew how hard it had been tojust find a place to stay, so,

(45:59):
um, so I said we'll take it.
And then they said, okay, giveus two or three days to just
finish up what we can.
And you know there's just goingto be a couple things that we
still need to finish up.
But if you're okay with uscoming in maybe from time to
time to just finish these lastlittle things, then we're good
to go.
So we take it and, yeah, that'sus now in the Czech Republic.

(46:20):
We've been there for about ayear.
We ended up being there for twoand a half.

Wow.

Wow.

So did you guys have like another business going
on at this time, like where youknow?

because of the time difference, you know,
between Europe and Utah, I wouldstart work typically around
four or 5pm at night, typicallyaround 4 or 5 pm at night, so
the days were spent with kids.
It was a great time in our life.
My wife and I remember it asone of our best, happiest times

(46:55):
in our life.
Our kids although you know theywere actually excited to go and
then when they realized howhard because we just threw them
into Czech schools they didn'tspeak any Czech.
They knew maybe three words inCzech by the time they got there
and so to them it was reallyhard, and so that honeymoon

(47:16):
period of them being excited togo on this adventure with their
family kind of wore off prettyquickly and it became very
difficult for them.
But now they look back on it assome of their most cherished
memories as well, even thoughthat was really really hard for
them.

Wow.

About hard things that push us forward
right.

Yeah.

But in this process, my wife one day, you
know, had this impression I needto go and offer to teach
english in the school for free,just so I can be closer to the
kids, and the principal was veryreluctant at first and then
finally allowed her to come dothat and that was really good

(48:01):
for our kids.
But just through this process,um, what was really interesting
is one day my wife and I were inour house uh, you know that
rental place that it was kind oflike a twin house, twin home
that we were renting and, um,one day we were in the house in

(48:22):
different rooms, and both sheand I had the exact same
impression at the exact sametime, and so we came to each
other, found each other in thehouse and we started filling in
each other's sentences and oneof us would start.
I just had the strongestfeeling yeah, that we're

(48:44):
supposed to start a school.
Yeah, and it's got to be inEnglish.
Yeah, and it's going to be, youknow, it's for young adults, to
help them, you know, meet eachother and strengthen each other
and prepare them for, like, wewere totally just filling in
each other's sentences and so weknew that it was from God, we
knew that it wasn't just somerandom thought that one of us

(49:05):
had right, because we both havethis strong impression at the
exact same time.
So from that time forward, we'relike, okay, we're going to be
starting a school in the CzechRepublic for the Czech young
adults, and we knew, we figuredout, I mean, that it was going
to be expensive.
So it's like, okay, we've gotto make our businesses
successful enough that we couldfund launching this school.

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So for the next 10 years,that's what we set out to do is
to make enough money to do that.
And in the process of that came2008, which was the big
economic downturn.
Right, all of our investments,we lost all of our income.
At that time, our businesscrashed and burned.

(49:51):
It was a different business bythen, and so we started from
less than scratch.
We were actually extremelyheavily in debt.
We were about three quarters ofa million dollars in debt at
this point wow after.
After, after October 2008,.
Very memorable month for me.
Wow, not in a good way, rightand um, yeah, so that's when we

(50:20):
started another business, whichled to another business through
connections, and it's justreally interesting how the Lord
leads you and I'm going to sparesome of the details here but by
2015, we were basically, we hadpaid off all of that debt and
our business was our newbusiness, was now successful

(50:42):
enough to where we're like okay,we have enough income and
enough money that we could testout this school, and we had no
idea what we're going to teach.
I mean, talk about the Lordgiving you line upon line,
precept upon precept, right, alittle here, a little, there, a
little.
We knew we were supposed tostart a school, but we had no
idea what we're going to teach.
We're not teachers, we're notacademics.

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What are we supposed to teach?
Okay, well, we're entrepreneurs, let's teach business.
So we decided to start thisbusiness school called Royal
Business Academy in the CzechRepublic, and so we get started.
We launched this pilot programjust in the summertime of 2015.
And it was like pulling teethto get anybody to attend.

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Most eastern europeans were notentrepreneurial at that time.
It's changed a lot, actually,since then.
Now they are a lot more thanthey were then, but at that time
very few of them wanted tostart a business and it was
pulling teeth just to get themto come to the school.
And when we did get them tocome, we had, like a lot more

(51:47):
guys than girls.
And so we did the pilot programagain in the summer of 2016.
And we had the same challengesand struggles and we decided,
look, this isn't meeting ourobjectives, so let's just shut
the school down.
So we just kind of we had apartner, somebody who was

(52:09):
helping us get it started, andwe just told him we said, look,
this isn't what we thought itwas, it's not right, so go ahead
and do with it what you want.
And so he kept going foranother year, I think, and then
he shut it down.
And then he shut it down Aboutthree years later, 2019,.

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This is actually a time when weactually moved back to the
Czech Republic in 2016, when wewere getting ready to do the
second round of our pilot run.
Right, so we go back to theCzech Republic, we're living
there doing this pilot run.
Then we shut it down.
It's like, okay, that's kind ofa downer, but, yeah, really,

(52:52):
really hard, like one of themost emotionally difficult times
in my life, because I felt likegod told us to start this
school.
We start this school and it'snot right.
And so shut it down and I justfelt like, why?

(53:13):
Why lead us through all that?
And we had spent a ton of money, a ton of time launching this
school and it felt like fornothing, so we had shut the
school down.
We're living in the CzechRepublic and having another

(53:34):
great experience, of course,with our kids Again, hard for
them, but ended up being a greatexperience for them that they
remember with a lot of fondness.
And you know this.
Second time we were in the czechrepublic, it was with our
younger kids, so our two oldestwere already moved on out of the
house.
Our third one uh, well,actually on one of them was on a

(53:55):
mission.
One of them was getting readyto go on a mission, and then our
third one ended up going on amission while we were there in
the czech republic.
So, um, our two younger onesweren't super happy about being
thrown into a Czech school tolearn Czech.
It was, again, very difficult,but now they look on it with
fondness.
Well, 2019, we're living in theCzech Republic, still with our

(54:20):
family.
We ended up being there fiveyears this time around, and my
wife just walks into my officeone day and she says God
prompted us to start a school.
We're not finished with it yet.
We need to do something.
And I told her you're right.
So we got to work, we gotthinking about it and we got to

(54:46):
asking ourselves a bunch ofquestions like why wasn't it
right before?
What were we doing wrong?
What do we need to dodifferently?
And so we started askingquestions, like one of the
things we realized is that it'snot good to just focus on
business, because not enoughpeople want to start a business.
So we said like, okay, whatdoes every young adult need?

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But nobody teaches, whetherit's high school or university.
And we concluded some of themost important things that we've
learned through our life outoutside of gospel, outside of
what we needed for business,specifically, what are the

(55:29):
things we needed for our lifethat nobody taught us and we're
like, well, leadership, and thensoft skills like communication,
teamwork, conflict resolution,public speaking those kinds of
things that nobody learnsanywhere else in school.

(55:49):
So we decided to do and we hadto rename it because we couldn't
call it Royal Business Academyanymore.
So we renamed the school and wenow call it Kimora Academy.
So that was 2019.
We're getting ready to launchit in 2020.
And what happens in 2020?

Dang COVID oh man.

So that postponed everything by one more
year.
So it wasn't until 2021, untilwe actually launched Kimora
Academy.
But we launched in 2021.
And going strong ever since.
And I'll tell you this when wefirst did the pilot program that

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very first year in 2015, in ourminds we were thinking this is
a school for the czechs, becauseour hearts were in the czech
republic.
We both served our missionsthere.
I have family there.
We're like for the czechs.
Well, that first pilot programthat we did, it became clear and

(56:57):
I felt prompted this is notjust for czechs, this is for all
of Europe.
Okay, the interesting thing waswhen we relaunched in 2021 as
Kimura Academy, during the veryfirst semester fall semester

(57:19):
2021, as we opened up, I had thevery distinct feeling this
isn't just for Europe, this isfor the whole world.

Wow, no pressure again.

Well, it was just taking my vision, what I
was able to grasp Right,constantly, just slowly
expanding the vision right.

Mm-hmm.

And so, yeah, we have students now coming to us
from all over the world.
We have students from.
We've had students from japan,myanmar, you know, as far there
on the east we're talk asia.
Yeah, we've had students fromafrica, although that's the only
students from africa that couldcome to kimura academy are the

(58:06):
ones that are already withinEurope, because the Czech
Republic just doesn't give visasto Africans hardly ever.
But we have a ton of studentsthat are coming from Latin
America.
We have some students fromNorth America coming.

So, yeah, it's really, we have students from
all over the world coming to usnow so tell us a little bit
about like what that programlooks like, because it's not
like a high school or anythinglike you're not there for a
whole year or whatever, learningall of the academics, right
it's.
It pretty much focused onleadership and soft skills and

(58:43):
things.
So so what does that look likeif someone was going to come and
be a student?

Yeah.
So we decided very clearlywe're not going to try to
compete with other schools,we're just going to do what they
don't.
Do what they don't.
That's really important and andso you know I mentioned
leadership, right, and and oneof the reasons why we pick
things like leadership and thosecommunication skills and so
forth is because if you look ata job like, look at any position

(59:13):
, whether it's a programmer oran engineer or a teacher or a
lawyer, look at all any of thesejobs and what separates those
who are on the lowest end ofincome for that job and those
who are on the highest end ofincome for that job I don't know

(59:37):
what is it what's?

I would say leadership communication um
confidence, yeah, confidence,yeah.

That's exactly right.
That's what separates it.

Wow.

So that's where we focus, and so we teach
leadership, and we teach verydifferently than other schools.
We actually approach educationin a very holistic way, where
we're not teaching somebody forany particular job or well, we
do a little bit of that too andI can get to that.
But our core program is notfocused on any particular job or

(01:00:15):
profession, but it's applicableto all.
And it's applicable not only inyour job or profession, but
it's applicable in your personallife.
In a family, which other orwhich father does not
desperately need good leadershipand good communication skills?

Alisha Coakley (01:00:35):
Especially with teenagers.

Patrick Sedivy (01:00:37):
Right, wow, so we teach is applicable there.
Which person in the church, inany calling, does not need good
communication skills, goodleadership?
yeah everyone, everyone needs,and I mean I've seen bishops who

(01:00:59):
have terrible leadership skillsyeah the lord calls them and he
qualifies them and they get thejob done right, but could they
have had greater influence?
Could they have had a greaterimpact on the individuals that
they serve, and whether they'rebishops or relief society
presidents or primary presidentsor whoever right, or teacher

(01:01:23):
monday school teachers?
Could they have done a betterjob if they had better
communication and betterleadership skills?
And the answer is a resoundDefinitely.
My opinion yes.
So these skills are allextremely critical, whether
you're, you know, whateverprofession, or at home, or at

(01:01:44):
church, or in your community, ifyou're going to do community
service.
And so our approach is let'sbuild and strengthen all of that
.
So we strengthen the individual, we teach the individual, um,
in a spiritual way.
We teach them in.
You know, our students walkaway, and we measure this walk
away with much higher emotionalresilience than when they

(01:02:07):
arrived on campus.

Really.

They arrive with greater hope for the future,
they leave sorry, I meant theyleave with greater hope for the
future.
They leave with greater faith.
They leave with greaterleadership skills.
So it's this approach to thewhole person, right, what's
going to benefit them as a wholein all these aspects of their
lives, and that's what we focuson.

(01:02:30):
You know, it's reallyinteresting because not too long
ago, I guess about a year ago,I read an article that showed
some research that 58% of youngadults these days feel a lack of
direction and purpose.
Wow, almost two thirds of youngadults.

Yeah.

And I mean, we don't need the research to tell
us.
I'm sure you've seen it, I'msure you've seen it in the
church, you've probably seen itwith your kids, you've seen it
with friends, kids, kids.

(01:03:14):
You've seen it with friends'kids and that is having a
catastrophic effect on therising generation, and so we
help them capture this vision ofwhat their life could be.
President Nelson says, you know, in talking to the youth in
2018, so the youth of 2018 arethe young adults today, right,
the 18, 19, 20 year olds today,and he told them, he said you're

(01:03:38):
among the best the Lord hasever sent to this planet, to
this earth.
You have the capacity to besmarter and wiser and have a
greater impact in the world thanany previous generation, and I
believe that to be 100% true.
I've now worked with many youngadults from all over the world
and I see the same thing overand over again they will be

(01:04:01):
doing.
Their desires are incredible.
Their sense of what is just andtrue is uncanny, nelson has

(01:04:29):
said, and at the same time, yousee the rising generation, these
young adults struggling.
They're facing challenges noneof us had to face as young
adults how pervasive pornographyis, um, just how all the
demands and pressures of lifeand and everything that's
constantly around, like hardlyever being able to find peace or

(01:04:49):
quiet or inner reflection.
Right, you're all just.
Everything is so interconnected.
You know, before we got on thiscall, we silenced our phones.
I mean, how often do peopleactually silence their phones
and turn them off and disconnect?

Right.

And, in fact, fact you know, as I've done more
research um studies have shownthat depression rates globally
have skyrocketed since 2012.
Like you look at the charts andgraphs, it's like this, then
2012, and it's like whathappened.

(01:05:28):
What happened in 2012?

yeah, around that time cell phones were
common social media was commonyeah those darn cat videos
started coming out so there'ssomething about that, right.

This generation will need to learn how to deal
with those devices becausethey're not going away, right?
And I don't believe the answeris like take away everybody's
phones.
Um, right, somehow the risinggeneration needs to figure out
how do we use this rather thanbeing used by this.
And I'm not going to get intothat conversation because I

(01:06:12):
think you know lots of peoplewill have different feelings and
emotions and thoughts andopinions on that topic, but I
think that it's fair to say thatit's had an impact, right.

For sure.

Yeah.

Well, it's interesting too because, like I
know that the church, theystarted their self-reliance
program, um, and originallythere was.
There was like finding a job,you know, uh, bettering your
education, um, doing yourfinances, and let's see what was
it.
Uh, oh, starting and growing abusiness, right, they started
that first and then, rightaround COVID time, they released

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, so, like we know that it hadbeen in the works for a little
bit before they actuallyreleased it globally, but they
released the emotionalresilience program.
Because I think that I feellike the church is always ahead
of the curve, right, like I feellike we're always, like we just
have a little bit moreinformation that's given to us,
you know, by the Lord, for us toget prepared for the things
that are coming in the future,and I think that that's one of

(01:07:13):
those things that, um, I meanfor years, for the entire time
that the church has existed,it's always promoted
self-reliance and then for us toactually get this program with
self-reliance and then to addthe emotional resilience classes
in it.
It just shows you how much theworld needs it because there is

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so much power on both sides now,right, like to distract and to
um, depress and and um to likedemoralize everything and then,
on the flip side, there's somuch power for good, too, if we
can just tap into it.
I love what you said about notbeing used by technology or

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social media.
Like to use it as a resource,but not to be used by it.
That is.
That's amazing.
So tell me, how long do yourstudents come to to the?
And it's all in person, correct.
It's not like an online thing.

Right.

They come in person to the academy, and how
long do they stay?

It's more than in person.
It's actually fully residential.

Oh, okay.

So your typical in-person school.
You might live in an apartmentsomewhere and then go to school,
right.
But here we actually.
For our campus, we bought asmall hotel.

Wow.

It's a small hotel in the beautiful Czech
countryside, disconnected fromdistractions around right.
Czech countryside, disconnectedfrom distractions around right,
I mean if you look around 360degrees, it has to be at night
for you to see light in thedistance, like some light
somewhere.

Oh, that's awesome At least any houses
anywhere.

I know, so it's separated from all these
distractions.
So the students come, they livetogether, they study together,
they work and play together, andit's this really cool
experience.
And that's actually part of theeducation itself, because, as
you're teaching things likecommunication or things like
conflict resolution orleadership, how can you do that

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in a vacuum?

True.

You actually can't effectively do it in a
vacuum.
You could teach the theory,theory, but you're not going to
actually get the practicalapplication at all and it's not
going to sink in deep and it'sgoing to take a lot longer to
learn anything.
So we actually bring themtogether, you teach them in the
classroom, leadership orcommunication or whatever the
topic may be and then you putthem into these scenarios and

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environments where they actuallywill have to apply it.
So, for example, all of ourstudents are divided into groups
of about 10 to 12 students andeach group needs to come up with
and plan and execute on aservice project in the community
.

Nice.

And so they're practicing their communication,
teamwork and leadership skillsall at once together, as they're
doing that activity from thethings that they learned in
class.
So although what happens inclass the curriculum itself is
important, the magic and themost important piece is actually
what's happening outside ofclass okay yeah so how how long

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is the like?

how long do they go for?

so it's for three months.
It's actually about 88 days, iswhat we call a semester, and
they only come once, really, um,so no need to come for four
years.
You're not going to get adegree.
I mean, if you want to go toyour university, there's lots of
universities around the worldthat are great where you could

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get that degree right.
Or if you want some any kind ofspecific certification or
anything, you can do thatsomewhere else.
But they come for three months.
It's designed to be just under90 days so that nobody needs any
kind of special visa or studentvisa.

Oh, okay.

Because the Czechs just don't do that.
So yeah, so as long as you havea passport and you don't need a
special visa to come to theCzech Republic, you could come
on a 90 day visa, kind of thing.
Just visit.

And what are the ages?

So our students are 18 and up.
We typically have students, youknow, our average is probably
around 25, 26.

Oh OK.

So it's not like not usually right at eight.
I mean, we actually do getquite a few that are 18.
But we get a lot that are inthis 25, 26.
And then we get some that arein their, you know, early 30s or
whatever.

Okay, awesome.
What about 41?

Anybody 41 yet.

I don't know if I could take off three months,
but I could try.

No, it's a great experience.
Wow, honestly, it's lifetransforming for these students.
You know you talked aboutself-reliance.
One of the classes we have is aclass on how to find a job.
One of the classes we have is aclass on how to find a job and
just to give you an idea of ourapproach to education, it's not
about going through the motionsand doing the assignments and

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whatnot although all that stuffis important because it builds
up to something.
But we just have one criteriato pass that class get a job
really no.

Is it like getting a job there while
they're doing the academy?
Or is it fully immersive where,like you, don't do anything
else outside of?

get a job for when you go home, right so?
And then we even say we don'tcare if you actually take the
job, no, just get offered thejob.
Because some of our studentsare going on to university, or
some of them are going on amission or something else, right
, so they might have other, theydon't plan on taking the job.

(01:13:19):
But if they're taking that finda find a job class, they need
to demonstrate to us that theyknow how to get a job.
And there's only one way thatyou could prove to me that you
know how to get a job, and thatis go get a job and so that's
our question.
And we do.
Of course, you have theassignments and you have the
theory and all the componentsthat lead up to that, but

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ultimately you want to pass, go,get a job, and every semester,
between 93% and 97% of ourstudents graduate with having a
job offer.
That's better than anythingthey've had before and their
average pay increase compared totheir previous job is 80% or
more.

Wow, nice, 80% or more, yep, wow, that's
incredible.
I mean, that's literally lifechanging.
Like to go to go spend threemonths just just to learn that
not including all of the extraamazing things you know that you
guys are teaching but just tolearn enough to get you paid

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almost double what you'regetting paid like can honestly
change someone's life completely.

Absolutely.

Scott Brandley (01:14:32):
I think a lot of it just comes down to skills
and strategy.
I mean, in my own personalexperience, like I had a lot.
I was a bishop and I had a lotof people that needed better
jobs or needed a job and as anentrepreneur, I just went and I
got some software to help likecreate really nice resumes and I

(01:14:54):
would just go in and I wouldcreate their resume for them and
they would get way better jobs.
But it's just because I knewwhat to say and I knew how to
format it and I knew thestrategy and the psychology
behind it.
Their their skills set didn'tchange right.
It's just having some basicinformation and knowing how to
set it up and make it look nice,really.

(01:15:20):
So that's really cool.

Yeah, and we actually do both what you
described.
Right, we do.
How do you present yourself?
Because some of them come withlinkedin profiles of I don't
know them laying on a beachsomewhere, right?
That's their linkedin profilepicture.
That's what they're looking at,right?
So you know, part of it isimproving your resume, improving

(01:15:44):
your linked profile, teachingthem the networking skills and
things like that.
But there's the other side ofit, which is what are the actual
skills that you have?
And so as they learn theseleadership, communication,
teamwork, reliability,accountability skills, then that
makes a lot more enticing to anemployer, so their

(01:16:07):
opportunities open up.
And when an employer comparestwo workers and says I've got a
guy that knows how to programhere and I've got this guy that
knows how to program, but heactually also has leadership
skills and communication skillsand knows how to present himself
, well, I'm going to go withthat guy and I'm going to pay
him more than I'm going to paythat guy.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

I'm in it, I love it so much, like I'm in a.
My day job I mean, we boughtour business but my day job
right now that I'm still working, is essentially training new
employees and getting themconnected with um, with like, uh
, people who need in-home careand everything, and I, I you
would think that being in thisposition and working in that, in

(01:16:57):
that kind of environment, wouldjust really soften my heart and
make me like such a kind person.
But I have gotten so hardbecause I've seen so many people
, young adults, especially intheir twenties and stuff like
that, maybe in their thirties,who just I mean as simple as
like they just don't show up forthe first day of work and they
don't bother to tell the clientand they don't bother to tell us
and then they'll ask us like afew weeks later, oh, can you

(01:17:19):
send me some new clients?
And we're like what, what areyou talking about?
You know, and it's just, it'slike you can see, there's this
huge lack of integrity.
Number one is what I've I'verealized the most with um these
generations and I do, you know,I blame partly COVID, partly
social media, partly theeducation systems, you know, and

(01:17:43):
I don't know about the rest ofthe world I'm just talking about
here in America.
But you just, you see this, thisextreme lack of just know-how
and just like common decency andcommunicating professionally
one with another and notstepping up and taking
responsibility for your actionsI mean, I can't tell you how

(01:18:06):
many, how many of my employeeshave been like oh, I'm so sorry,
I have a family emergency.
I'm like nobody has that manyfamily emergencies and if you do
, go get a new family like workaround and what are you talking
about?
So it's, it's.
It's just ah, my gosh, I lovewhat you're doing because I feel
like it is so needed and you'reright, I've got, I mean, I've

(01:18:30):
gotten to the point where I'vetold our hiring manager I'm like
, listen, if you get any badjuju during the interview, you
don't have to justify your juju,just say no.
You know like, just say no,it's okay.
Or start, let's start hiringpeople who are 40 and up, you
know like, who are part of thatlike generation where we didn't

(01:18:51):
grow up with a screen in ourface.

I don't think it's an age thing.
Right Going back to PresidentNelson's comment about the youth
and the rising generation, theyhave a capacity to have greater
impact on this world than anyprevious generation.

Yeah.

And if you really believe that, if you
believe President Nelson as aprophet and when he says that,
then we've got to somehow clearaway what the world's way of
looking at this risinggeneration is, have more of how
the Lord sees them.
So we mentioned earlier alittle bit about pioneers, right

(01:19:38):
, I think we just we talkedabout that really briefly, and
you know the pioneers that werein the handcart companies, as
they were crossing the plains,they struggled.
And when you look at it, whydid they struggle?
Well, they were freezing in thecold, they were starving, they

(01:20:02):
didn't have enough food and theyjust plain weren't equipped for
the journey.

They didn't have enough food and they, just
plain, weren't equipped for thejourney.

Well, I actually feel the same about the rising
generation.
They're freezing in thisdarkness, in this cold, dark
world that's really confusingaround them right now.
They're starving for directionand guidance and they're
ill-equipped for the journey andthe task at hand which, as

(01:20:30):
president Nelson points out,they're going to do a lot of
great things, right.
Oh yeah, I love that.
What is our job?
Our job is to just let's, let's, let's help equip them as best
we can.
Let's, help prepare them forthe journey.
Let's give them any guidance wecan, but they're going to do

(01:20:52):
incredible things, I promise you.
I promise you.
They're going to do incrediblethings if we just do our best to
do those three things help giveguidance, help prepare them for
the journey, equip them withthe skills and things that they
need.
And what I've found with thestudents that come to Kimura
Academy is they have greatdesires.

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They want more, they wantchange, they want something
different in their lives.
They want a different worldthan the world we're living in
right now.
They just need a little bit ofguidance, and as we do that,
they start doing great things.

I wow Makes me feel bad.

I just said I take it all back.

I'll hire all of the millennials I don't want
you to feel bad at all?

No, no you're good.
I just think that we need toreframe a little bit of how we
look at and how we approach it.

Yeah, Like maybe don't focus so much on the
frustration but on the potential.

So it's okay.

That's how Heavenly Father works with me,
is he has to reprimand me a lot?

Definitely people you got to say no to in a
job interview, right.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm kind of jealous, patrick.
I mean listening to your story.
It's what a cool idea to beable to just create your own
kind of curriculum and your ownum, yeah, your own school to
teach people these life skillswhen they're young, just to give

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them that much of an advantageso quickly, so quickly, I mean.
The things you're teaching themhave taken me well and you
probably like your whole life toto figure out, yep, exactly.
And so being able to, beingable to take all of your life's
knowledge and your wife's life'sknowledge right, bringing all

(01:22:55):
that together and condensing itinto 90 days, and that, wow,
that's just so powerful.
So, yeah, man, that's awesomethat you've put this all
together.

And I will say it's not just me and my wife,
it's many, many other people whohave helped at various stages
along the way, right, and whohave said things, taught us
things, who who came to campusto help teach the students and
they taught a principal.
I'm like, yeah, we need toteach that every semester, you
know?
Uh, so, so lots and lots ofpeople that have helped in

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various ways, and so it's beenreally wonderful how?

how have you seen it over the past three
years?
Evolve like what's thatexperience been?

oh, uh, uh.
That's a great question and youknow, when we did our very
first semester in September of2021, I felt like that was
awesome.
These students got a lot out ofthis.
You know we did a good job.
The students felt like it wasawesome.

(01:24:02):
I look back on that semesterand I feel bad for them.
I look back on that semester andI feel bad for them, because
the really cool thing is, everysemester, every three months,
we're able to iterate and we getbetter and better.
Every three months we have newvisiting mentors come, we have
new people come and contributeand it's like piece by piece

(01:24:24):
where we're making improvements,and what it is today is a
quantum leap from where it wasin September of 2021, just three
and a half years ago.

That is so cool so.

I want to know more about the mentors, like we
mentioned earlier.
I know Seth Robbins was amentor that came and spoke to
your students and stuff likethat.
What do you look for in inthose mentors and do you give
them topics or do you just kindof like ask them a question and
have them prepare something Likewow, how do you?

(01:24:59):
I guess how.
How do you pick your mentorsand if someone wants to be a
mentor and reach out to you likewhat's that process look like?

Okay.
So we do have mentors comethroughout the semester.
We have quite a number ofmentors that come and we do give
them some curriculum to teach.
So if you could kind of imagine, come follow me and the way
that curriculum is structured.
But for leadership, gotcha, soyou have certain things to read

(01:25:32):
or some content and you kind ofhave a framework of what the
lesson is or could be about.
And so our students do havecontent that they take, that
they read online, whether it'sarticles or videos or questions
or journaling or whatever thatthey do before they come to
class.
And then they come to classwhere one of these visiting

(01:25:53):
mentors comes and they infusethat topic and lesson with their
own life experience and storiesright Nice, their own approach
to that topic.
So if, for example, we'retalking about building trust,
developing trust as a leadership, you know a key leadership
attribute or end skill, thenwhoever the visiting mentor is,

(01:26:16):
that they're that week that wehave that topic we'll be
teaching about trust andintegrity that week.

Nice.
And how do you, how do you pickyour mentors?

So we look for people who, first of all, are
firmly grounded in the restoredgospel of Jesus Christ.
Um, because we want them tohave our same values.
Uh, we want them to, uh, tobring the spirit.
In fact, often we tell visitingmentors before you come, go to
the temple, make sure that youhave an extra measure of the

(01:26:53):
spirit in your life inpreparation to come.
So we want them to bring that.
We want them to be successfulin their own sphere of influence
, whatever that may be.
So, whether it's doctor orlawyer or businessman or teacher
or stay-at-home mom Ispecifically put that one in

(01:27:17):
there because we usually havecouples come together and
sometimes what happens is thewife just kind of sits in the
background and says well, Idon't really have anything to
add to this topic of leadershipwhat, what are you talking about
?
You just raised five kids,you've served as young women's

(01:27:39):
president or you've served aswhatever the calling, and you
don't have leadership skillsthat you could bring to the
table to teach these youngadults.
So we want them to besuccessful in whatever their
sphere of influence.
And then we also want them tohave a passion for helping the

(01:28:03):
rising generation and beyond,just a passion we want them to
have an ability to connect withyoung adults, cause passion
doesn't mean ability all thetime.
It does, but not always, so wewant them to have both.

Very impressive resume.
How do you find them, and canthey all be my friends?

Well, we do it through our personal networks.
We look for, we look for, youknow we ask around and we ask
for referrals and I'm constantlyyou know I reached out to you,
Alisha I'm constantly reachingout to people to to meet new
people and get to know peoplethat could be good fits as
visiting mentors and yeah, okayWow.

That's fun.
So I have two quick questions.
One do you tie the church intoit somehow, or is it just you
try to kind of surround thestudents with good people that
have church values?

Let me describe what that aspect of Kimora
Academy looks like to you.
So often people will ask thequestion is it only for members
of the Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter-day Saints?
And the answer to that is no.
Typically, on any givensemester, we'll have 25 to 30
percent of our students who arenot members of the church.
We do have church on campusunder the direction, with

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authorization from the areapresidency and under the
direction of the Prague stakepresident and bishopric.
So church is held on campus, um, every sunday we um, so we do
have that kind of tie to thechurch.
The area presidency hasdesignated kimura academy as a

(01:29:58):
gathering place for young adults, which makes it so that we can
offer things like self-relianceclasses or whatever.
We use church materials.
We have used church materialsfor some of those in the past.
We use the church materials forthe emotional resilience class,
like you mentioned earlier.
Institute is taught on campus.

(01:30:21):
That's part of our corecurriculum.
Everybody takes institute class, whether or not they're members
of the church.
Wow, kind of like you were togo to BYU, right?
I mean, if you're not a memberof the church, going to BYU you
still have to take a religionclass, and so there are those
aspects that tie directly intothe church, and then you have

(01:30:45):
the aspects that tie indirectly,like you mentioned, surrounding
them by good people.
I mean we have great visitingmentors, we have great other

(01:31:05):
students, you know we have greatyou.
For example, when I teachleadership classes, I typically
teach at the beginning of thesemester, the first week and a
half, and one of the classes Iteach is on having a life vision
.
And when I teach about having alife vision, I teach from the

(01:31:28):
scriptures.
I teach from the creation, howGod created everything
spiritually before he createdthem physically.
I talk about Alma, who asks canyou imagine standing before God
at the judgment day?
Right?
And so he uses language ofenvisioning, and so that's what

(01:31:52):
we talked about.
That's part of what we talkedabout.
I mean, it's not the only thing, obviously, but I do bring in
scriptures into that.
Or when I teach aboutcommitment, the importance of
having commitment, I talk aboutNephi I will go and I will do.
Um, I talk about nephi.
I will go and I will do as thelord liveth and as I live.
We will not go back to ourfather in the wilderness unless

(01:32:15):
we have the brass plates.
again, that's a paraphrase, butthat's essentially the thought,
and the thought I communicate tothem, I I bring up to the
students is basically nephi issaying I'm not going down, I
mean over my dead body, I guesswould be a way of saying I'm not

(01:32:36):
.
I'm not going back to dad inthe wilderness unless I have the
brass plates and you knowyou're gonna have to kill me,
I'm gonna have to be dead beforeI go back without them.
Yeah, that's a level ofcommitment A lot of people
aren't used to.

Right, right.

Our students get it.

They get it, wow .
So.
So my second question is forpeople that that do go and teach
or mentors that go there howdoes that work?
Is it like a volunteer thing?
Do they go on?
Is it like a trip?
They go on for a couple ofweeks and then they just go to
Czechoslovakia and teach andthen come back.

We don't pay our visiting mentors.
They pay their own way to getthere.
Yeah, so there has to be somelevel of commitment on the
visiting mentors.
How long do they typically stay?
Each visiting mentor couple ison campus for a week.
Okay, from Saturday to Saturday, and, of course, if they want

(01:33:45):
to do additional travel aroundall of wherever in Europe, they
want to, afterwards or beforethey can, if they're going to do
that, I usually recommend theydo their travels before coming
to campus, because that way theydon't have to deal with dead
lag while they're on campus.
We already we get them overthat.

There you go, and then you provide housing for
them on campus during theirstay.
Yes, then you provide housingfor them on campus during their
stay.

Yes, typically we provide housing for them on
campus, unless we have multiplevisiting mentors at the same
time, in which case we don'thave sufficient capacity for
that.
So if you have another placethat we can have them stay.

Okay, cool.

And what about students Like can anyone from
anywhere go there and do theypay to go?
Like is there a tuition?

So there is a tuition.
You know, talking aboutcommitment, we ask commitment
from our students as well beforethey come, and we do have
scholarships.
So, students, we don't ask thatpeople go into debt to come to
Kimora Academy, but we ask thatthey make a place.
And so, you know some people,if they're coming from the US,

(01:34:56):
maybe they're able to pay forthe full tuition.
And, by the way, tuitionincludes room and board and all
of the activities andtransportation, you know, to any
activities we do within thecountry.
Or I mean we do a temple tripevery semester to Germany, and
so that's all included in thetuition, right?
So somebody coming from NorthAmerica might have the capacity

(01:35:20):
to pay for that whole thing.
Right To them.
That's their sacrifice.
To come To somebody coming fromTo them, that's their sacrifice
.
To come To somebody coming fromNicaragua.
We had a student that came tous from Nicaragua that I mean
literally the shoes on his feetwere falling off, wow, where one
of our team members saw hisshoes and said come with me.

They put him in the car, took him to the store
and bought him some clothes andshoes I mean.

So you have like complete broad spectrum right.
And so we do offer scholarshipsbased on need and it's on a
very individual basis.
Anyone who's not able to pay forthe full tuition.
We just simply have them fillout a finance form so we have an
understanding of theirfinancial background and we also

(01:36:12):
have an interview individuallywith them to talk about their
financial situation.
We also talk about theimportance of having skin in the
game and sacrificing for yourown education and development,
and then come to an agreementwith them about what their
scholarship will be.

Awesome.
Now I have two questions.
One I'd like to know aboutdonors, like do you have a way
that people can donate to thisto help with the scholarship
programs?
And then two have you seen anylike conversions happen, you
know whether it's someone who isa member of the church, who's a

(01:36:51):
student, who comes there, who'sI know you mentioned earlier
like they, they tend to havemore faith and everything like
that when they walk out.
And have you seen, I guess evenpeople who aren't members who
decide that they want to goahead and get baptized?

Great question.
So what was the first one?
I already forgot.

I was sorry the donation.
I know I got to get better atjust asking one at a time.
I'm learning and growing to umdonations.
So how do you, how do peoplebecome a donor?

Yeah, so you could just go to our website,
kimora academyorgorg.
For people outside of thechurch I have to spell out
Camorra, but those who are inthe church they're familiar with
that word.
So c-u-m-o-r-a-h-academyorg andthere's a donate button there

(01:37:40):
so you could donate that way.
And then your second questionabout conversions.
We have conversions veryregularly, in fact, to the point
where I approached the areapresidency and said if I find a
couple that could serve as amissionary and they put in their

(01:38:00):
mission papers, would youassign them to Kimora Academy?
Really, it took a little whileto think about it, and that
semester we actually had fourbaptisms.
And the area presidency said Isee why you want a missionary
couple here.

Yes, oh my gosh Wow.

And in fact just this last week I got a message
from one of our students.
They were posting about anotherstudent who did join the church
after coming to Kimora Academyand they have an article in the
Liahona magazine.
Really so a little bit abouther conversion story and she

(01:38:46):
says an academy in the CzechRepublic, but she doesn't say
the name of it.
I think they probably got outof the article, but she's
talking about Kimora Academy.
That's where she found out.

That is so cool.
Oh man, I love that so much.

We have people who decide to go on missions.
We have people who are lessactive when they come to us as
students and then they becomemore active.
And we have people who aren'tmembers, who don't get baptized,
and they just leave having adeeper understanding of the

(01:39:26):
church and the gospel,regardless of whether they get
baptized or not.
And we have people who getbaptized two years later, like
just a month ago.
One of our students that waswith us in 2021, or maybe it was
2022, early 2022, she just gotbaptized.
So sometimes that happens alittle bit later.

That's phenomenal.
You know, what I love about thisis I love that you found
something that you can do andlike that's very true to you and
and you know your business andyour entrepreneurial spirit and
stuff like that that is alsotied in with that threefold
mission of the church toproclaim the gospel, perfect the

(01:40:06):
saints and redeem the dead.
Because you're even making likelike temple trips, like you're
like making that like a part ofeach semester to go to your
temples in Germany and stuff,and like I just I think
sometimes, especially as members, we think that we have to like
separate, like we can only dobusiness over here and then we
can only, you know, be churchpeople over here, and and some

(01:40:32):
people think that you can'tmarry the two together but I
love that you're doing it, likeyou're doing it and you're
providing jobs and providingeducation and you like you
really are perfecting, you know,the the, not just the saints,
but just the children of God andand you're like making the
world better, one student at atime.
It's just it's super inspiring.

(01:40:52):
I love it.

Well, I just, I can, and honestly I've, we've,
my wife and I have felt led thiswhole time, um, and you know,
just from the very idea of doingit, as I described earlier, and
um, it is so fulfilling, it isso awesome yeah, I think a lot

(01:41:16):
of people like would have adream to do that.

You know, and you're actually living it, which
is, like lisa said, it'sincredibly inspiring and, yeah,
hopefully people watching thispodcast.

You know, if you want to help help out, I'm sure
that Patrick could figure outsomething for you to do to be
part of it If you have felt anykind of inkling or prompting to
help in any way.
Yeah, let's, let's connect.
Let's, let's figure out whatthat looks like.

I love that man.
Yeah, patrick, you got out ofthe boat.
That's I don't know like yougot out of the boat and you are
still walking on that water andeven though you might, you know,
sink a little bit here andthere trying to figure things
out, like I, I just think thatyou guys are going to do amazing

(01:42:13):
things.
You already are, you alreadyhave.
I just think it's going tocontinue.
I'm curious with your vision.
You know, like you talked aboutjust having like a vision and
stuff for life.
What do you see for the futureof Kimora Academy and and just
your future, I guess, in general, like maybe it's not just the

(01:42:33):
Academy, maybe it's somethingelse, like what?
What's your goal?

I don't know that else in me at this stage of
my life my life, the vision forKimora Academy I imagine and
hope and pray before I die, thatthere are 15 campuses worldwide
, each campus with the capacityto have 200 to 250 students per

(01:43:02):
semester.
When that happens, we will beimpacting over 10 000 young
adults lives each year wowvision and to make that
sustainable, um and build theinfrastructure and the
succession plan in place so thatthat could continue on after I
die and continue to grow after Idie.

(01:43:24):
That is the vision.

I love it.
It just gives me all the feelsI can't believe we have been on
for as long as we have like,just fascinating.
You've made the time fly.

Well, I hope I wasn't rambling too much, sorry.

No, not at all.

No, this is really fascinating.
I mean, how often do you get achance to have an interview like
this right, or hear the originstory of somebody that has a
vision like this?
This is, yeah, this has been atreat for sure.
So, patrick, as we kind of wrapthings up, we probably could
talk for another three hours,but I don't know if people have

(01:44:08):
that much time.
But, wrapping things up here,what are your final thoughts
that you'd like to share withthose who are listening?

Well, I think I'm going to go back to.
I was just teaching Sundayschool today and we were talking
about the brother of Jaredgoing to the promised land and
he was.
He was led along the way andthen he gets to this big ocean
and he ends up spending fouryears there.

(01:44:37):
I don't know if he was waitingor trying to figure out what do
we do next, or whatever, butanyway, ultimately the Lord
tells them you still need to goacross that.
And so I asked the students inthe class today what is the big
ocean that is standing betweenyou and where you need to go and

(01:45:00):
you need to be?
And then I said don't let thatstop you, because the Lord will
help you figure that out and hewill make miracles happen in
your life.
He will lead you step by step,not always giving you everything
, and it's not always going tobe comfortable.
I don't think it wascomfortable in those barges, as

(01:45:20):
they traveled for about a year,you know, or however long it was
in the actual barges, and it'snot always comfortable and you
don't always know what you'regoing to do.
But he will create miracles inyour life and you will get to
know him in a very personal waythat will change your life

(01:45:41):
forever.

I really love that.

Well, you're incredible and what you're doing
is incredible.
Your wife is incredible.

Like she's waiting on me.

We have really, really enjoyed our time with you
today and and just thank you somuch for coming on here and
sharing your story and, um,we're going to encourage our
listeners.
Guys, make sure that you guysgo to.
Is it the Kimora Academy orjust Kimora Academy?

Kimoraacademyorg .

Okay, and we'll go ahead and share the link in
the description.
Go to Kimoraacademyorg.
Check out the website.
Share this podcast with others.
Share the website with others.
This podcast with others.
Share the website with others.
You just never know who wantsto get involved, whether it's as
a student or a mentor or ordonor, or maybe someone has

(01:46:34):
another idea that could evenimprove on the Academy, what
they're, what they're doingalready, and and just really
what a wonderful way to spreadlight.
So thank you.

Thank you for having me.

Yeah, Thanks, Patrick, and thanks for everyone
tuning in.
And if you have a story thatyou would like to share, go to
latterdaylightscom and let'salso hit that share button on.
You know wherever you'rewatching this.
Let's, let's do some fivesecond missionary work and get
this story out there.

Yep, absolutely All right, guys.
That's all we have for youtoday.
I hope you guys have an amazingweek and if you want to get in
touch with Patrick, just let usknow.
I'm sure, Patrick, you can evenshare your social medias or
whatever else too.
So check the description, leavea comment, Let us know if you
guys want to get in touch withPatrick, if you guys have any
other questions for him or wantto be able to support him.

Awesome.
Thanks, guys.
We'll talk to you next weekwith another story from
Latter-day Lights.
Until then, take care, bye-bye.

Bye, thank you.

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