January 24, 2024 • 33 mins
As a young athlete, chasing the dream of professional sports glory seems like the highest peak to conquer — but what happens after the cheering stops? Former NHL player Joe Dipenta joins us to share his journey far beyond the hockey arena, where grit, faith, and transformation play the starring roles. Joe's story is one of triumphs, pitfalls, and the relentless pursuit of personal growth. Join us on this compelling journey, where faith and identity collide with the joy of a life well-played.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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I'm your host, lisa Peters, andour guest today is Joe DePenta.
Joe was the first hockey playerto bring the Stanley Cup back
to his hometown of Colharbor,nova Scotia, in 2007, as a
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member of the Anaheim Ducks, twoyears before Crosby did in 2009
.
At the time, he was part of aselect group of 150 players who
have won both the Stanley Cupand the Calder Cup, the
championship trophy for theAmerican Hockey League.
During his hockey career, healso played for the Philadelphia
Flyers, atlanta Thrasher's,vancouver Canucks and Buffalo
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Sabres organizations.
After graduating fromCalifornia State University, joe
moved home to pursue a careerin nonprofit working for
organizations he is passionateabout.
Joe now resides in Dartmouth,nova Scotia, with his wife,
jessica, and 11-year-olddaughter Chloe.
Joe coaches his daughter'shockey team and volunteers his
time at several local charities.
Professionally, joe is an EOSimplementer, working with
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entrepreneurial leaders to givethem more control over their
businesses.
Welcome to the show, joe.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Thanks, lisa, it's great to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's funny.
When I say welcome to the show,it's like you made the big show
.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
This is the big show.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I used to hear that as a kid.
You know all the hockey players.
They all wanted the big show.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I had experienced the show.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You did so.
Did you actually, and Iapologize, I think you played in
the Stanley Cup.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, I won the Stanley Cup in 2007 with the
Ducks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, and I think that is a very low percentage of
players that ever get thatopportunity and then never
actually get to win.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's something like 2% of NHL players win the
Stanley Cup.
So if you then extrapolate that, overall hockey players across
Canada it's in the hundreds ofthousands, I think, of all the
players that lay some up get towin the Stanley Cup.
So pretty small odds.
I was in the right place at theright time and lots of great
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hockey players never won theStanley Cup and you're kind of
like, wow, that's pretty surreal.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, that is a great feat, congratulations.
So we're looking for a bit ofyour professional story and how
you got to where you are today,so we're just wondering if you
can share a couple of snapshotsthat were pivotal turning points
in your journey.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Sure In my hockey career, or faith journey, or
does it work?
I think, in your hockey career.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'd love to hear some of those.
Or just because, and then you,ultimately you're a in EOS
implementer.
But I mean, we love hockey,we're from Canada, excellent.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
So when I was, I had a prettyeasy until I turned professional
.
And I say easy, it wasn't easy.
I had to put a lot of trainingand dedication that went into
the sport, but easy from theperspective that I didn't face a
lot of adversity Things.
I pretty much made every teamthat I wanted to and had success
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and was drafted to the NHL andand and was able to any new team
I joined.
I was quickly able to gain theconfidence of the coaches and my
teammates.
When I turned professional in2000,.
In 2000, the year 2000, it was Iwas now on a team that had
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older players that were in their30s and spread of ages, a
number of players that were moretalented than I was, and so it
was just that it was a.
It was a challenging year and Iremember I had a coach that is
a defense coach and he didn't.
He was like a little bitadversarial when I around being
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around him and and I'd come offthe ice and he'd make these
comments and and I felt like hewas didn't like me and I
observed some of the behaviorsand it was, it was just
uncomfortable.
And then I had this dynamicwith an older team that they I
was this new rookie and theydidn't.
It was like there was a barrierthere to like a treat me like I
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was a rookie and then and therewas other rookies on the team
as well, it was a very it was.
It was.
It was difficult and I rememberthat I got some advice that I
should just start meeting withthat coach and having one on one
meetings and just win him over.
He like he loved video, so Istarted watching video with him
after practice and I started tosee my play pick up and then by
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the end of the year when Iimproved my performance, he was
my biggest advocate and I.
It was a good lesson for me inpart of that year.
Another lesson was my the firstgame I played.
I got my nose broken in a fightand I had a bad experience
fighting in junior, where Ididn't win a fight.
In the next day in the papersmy picture was in the front page
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of the sports section that saidthose hands were made for
fighting.
I was very embarrassed and itwas my own, and so I had this
fear of getting embarrassedfighting.
And so three months went by inmy first pro career year pro and
I remember my mother came tovisit and she said she asked me
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if things were going.
And she said, joe, how arethings?
And I looked at her and Ithought what she was.
She'd give me some sympathy andsay, you know, I was going to
tell her how it was a difficultseason and how the coaches
wanted me to fight.
And I thought, I thought whatyou would say is you know, joey,
you just, you hang tight and atthe end of the year you come
home and we'll take care of it,don't worry.
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And what she said to me, I said, well, mom, they want me to
fight.
And she said, well, I guess youbetter start fighting then.
And then, two games later, I wasin my second pro fight and I
actually won and won the fight.
And I realized that it was Iwas, I had overcome the fear and
it really wasn't as bad as Iwas building it up to be in my
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mind.
And then after that, I was fine, I was able to break through
and my performance went up, myconfidence went up and that was
really overcoming those twobarriers where it was a
difference for me playing oneyear professional and then or 11
and winning a Stanley Cup, sothat was that's.
The biggest adversity I facedwas in that first year pro.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah.
So going back to your mom,because I am a mom of a hockey
player and I think if he everfought I would like pass out,
but your mom was she yourbiggest advocate.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, my mom and dad, both, you know dad, drove me to
the ring more than Monday andwhich mom is at every game and
they're both big advocates stillin my life and and so, but mom,
yeah, she was.
She, you know, ironically, whenI was 12 years old and I was in
a bit of a disagreement on theice, she, she was next to the
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bench and in the stands and itwas a close, you know, quarter
rink and I was like this and Ihad cocked my fist and I was
going to punch the person thatthat I was in the disagreement
with, and she yelled from thestands to such an extent that it
stopped me in my tracks and iteveryone looked at her from both
benches and and so the ironywas, is that you know that that
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formed me in that year, and thenI kind of refrained that anger
and her mist, it, and and thenshe was the one that said now
you have permission, go aheadit's.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It's okay, now you're playing professional in your,
your, your grown up and andthat's just part of the game, so
yeah, I remember one time myson was playing and he lost the
game and he skated off the ice,like the whole team skated off
the ice.
And when he like, I think when,as soon as it got out of the
dressing room, I gave him one ofthe.
You will win with grace and youwill lose, lose with grace.
And the next time you willshake hands, and I don't care if
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your team doesn't, and I wasjust, you know, and I made him
cry.
He was young and and he neverforgot that.
He shook hands and it, you know, he never forgot it.
And recently I I lost anelection in municipal and I had
to lose with grace and my mindwent right to that moment that I
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had with my son when he was 10.
Oh, you know, and, and he wasthere, he like, when the
election results came in, my sonwas right there, he's 18 now.
I had to lose with grace.
Oh, mother's words.
So we talk a little bit aboutthe principles of success and I
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was wondering if you could giveus your best principle of
success and tell us a story thatillustrates this.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think my, the principle onone of my, my values is humility
, and the game of hockey is agreat game.
I believe it's the greatestgame I've ever experienced.
I'm biased, of course, and Ibet.
I played a lot of games and forme, hockey is the best game
because it reinforces humilityover and over again.
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You, you can play, you can bethe best team on paper and get
on the ice.
In a team with with a lot lessskill, can be to pretty pretty
easily If you're not on top ofyour game.
So it reinforced this idea ofyou have to respect your
opponent and and bring it everysingle game if you want to have
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success.
And then, as as an individualon a team, in order for you to
play, for me, to play my best, Ihad to bring in every game as
well in terms of preparation,and so that was instilled in me,
and so preparation is huge andand humility was.
It was a big part of that.
And I remember I had a coachearly on in my career and I say
career, I was like eight, nine,ten years old and it was our
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team manager actually, and hewas like a second father to me,
my, he was a mentor to my dadand he he recognized that I had
an ability that was unique inthe game hockey, and he pointed
it out and he was cautioning myfather and and then Hence I got
the, the messaging through mythrough him, through my dad.
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But they, they remember myparents sat me down and said Joe
, you're good, we think you're areally good player.
And it was just like an unusualconversation.
I still remember and you knowmany conversations I forget this
one I remember from all thoseyears back and they sat me down
and they say you're a reallygood player, but one thing that
we want you to avoid, or trap toavoid, is to be Overconfident
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and to think that you're betterthan others.
And they they had seen thatother than other players that
had ability, and they said thatthat would be Not a good thing
for you to go down that path.
And so that conversation justreally reinforced the the
humility is important and thenI've carried that Throughout my
playing career and that led tosuccess and I think it's a form
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of a part, of a necessity tohave success and to be Coachable
and like the situation where Iwas having that difficulty with
fighting and having overcomethat obstacle.
If I didn't have humility andif I wasn't coachable, then I
never would have broke throughthat barrier.
I never would even got as faras I did if I did wasn't
coachable.
So I see it all the time inleadership.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I in what I do now.
If somebody isn't coachable andthey don't have the, if they're
missing something and when theyget the time gets tough like
they, they just don't make it.
And I had a Conversation withsomebody this morning actually
about that, where I'm trying toencourage them and say you got
to lean into your mentor andyour coach and rely on them.
But the top, the moment youstart to try to manage their
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expectations and You're notbeing totally humble and open
and honest with them and you'reyou're trying to manage how they
think you're doing, you'regonna lose them and you're in
trouble.
So it's it's better just to sayI don't know what I'm doing in
this situation.
I know your help and peoplewill invest into you and they
want that honesty.
But so I think that's thathumility is really Something I
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carry and people have commentedto me that that's what they see
and when they, when they workwith me and and that's and I
want to work with people tovalue that.
Otherwise we really kind ofdon't align.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, I was having a conversation today about
coaching and you know we were,and I think there was a
reference and I but coaching theathlete, coaching the corporate
athlete, like you need to becoached.
We forget you know all ourlives, I mean yourself, you had
a coach and and then we get intothe corporate world and we'd
like I'll do it on my own, youknow, and so I appreciate the
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reference there.
That was really good.
So this is about failures andmistakes, because I think we
learn more from our failures andmistakes than we do from our
successes.
So I'm wondering if you canshare, maybe If you had a
failure, if you had a mistake,and what you learned from it and
you know how it actuallyprobably was a success in your
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life.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, a failure.
You know I think I fail.
Marriage is probably thehardest thing I've ever done and
I've been.
We've been married for 18 yearsand I'm always being refined
through my relationship withJessica and I Don't know I I've
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made mistakes, I've failed.
I've Nick been, not even I'vebeen blind to to, to how I've
treated my wife and treatedJessica in different times and I
think one of my, one of mybiggest Learnings is that I
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failed at putting her andhelping her feel and actually
actually putting her first Abovecareer and when I was a hockey
player, that was my my god washockey and that was before I
became a Christian, and then mygod became my god, but then,
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arguably, hockey and god were Inot sure.
I'm not sure who.
Which one was honestly, whichone was first probably a hockey
and and, and then my wife waslike third and and so she, she
Powered through that and and wasstuck by my side throughout all
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those years, thinking thatafter my hockey career was over
that it would change.
Mm-hmm and it didn't.
All I did was put another idolin place, and what I've learned
is that our hearts areprogrammed to worship and if we
don't, if we do not put Godfirst and worship him, him alone
will replace it with somethingelse, will replace it with a
career, money, power, advice,and it's not healthy and we will
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not get peace.
We will not.
We will not, we will not beblessed in what we're doing, and
and it won't benefit us oranyone else around us, and so it
hurt my relationship withJessica.
So I had made that mistake andnow my mantra has been about
just every day, grinding myselfyou reap what you sow.
If you reap sparingly, you sosparingly, are you so sparingly?
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You reap sparingly, and theopposite of that.
And so if I'm not investingtime, energy and thought into my
relationship with my wife andhow she's thinking and feeling,
I can't expect that I'm going toso abundantly.
And that's what I've learned.
And just, I haven't done a, Imade a mistake, and that's what
I learned from it, and so it'sbeen, and I was completely blind
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to it.
Even though I would hear it, itjust wouldn't sink in.
So that's probably the biggestmistake.
Failure is through thatrelationship and that's why God
uses our marriages to refine usand grow our character.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, now you, I love the reap what you sow.
I just used that last week andI mean something like sales.
If you don't go out there andkeep going after sales and keep
going, they'll never sow.
Nothing, like you got to go andyou got to keep sewing to
actually reap, and if you don'tsow, there's no reap.
But anyway, I want to ask youabout where you were when you
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found your faith.
So earlier I had asked youabout a pivotal moment and you
had said you know which one doyou want to talk about?
We talked about yourprofessional.
So where were you in?
I mean, it sounds like you weredone hockey, I think.
But tell us, where was that foryou?
And that was a pivotal moment,I think.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, so when I was playing, I was still playing
hockey.
I was playing.
It was my fifth year.
I had started my career andprofessional career and played
on a number of teams and I hadmy second season.
So my first season I had just Itried to do everything I could
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to fit in with the team Imentioned.
I was some struggles and I wasdoing everything I could to fit
in and survive.
And then in my second and Ifelt like I did that, I felt
like I accomplished that, that Ifinally fit in, but I was.
I was not living a life that Iwas proud of, like there was
drinking, there was womanizinggoing to the like, just I didn't
like who I was anymore and itwas like a I just it was a, just
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a bad I was.
I was influenced and I acceptedit and I did everything I could
to fit in and it was.
I didn't like who I was and Ihad a.
I had a friend, a teammate,that joined the team and he
ended up becoming my roommatethat year and he was a Christian
and he said I when I rememberjust coming up a conversation
like, are you going to come overthis?
Are you going to go to the barAre you going to do, or were
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this what we're doing?
And he was like you know, I'llcome, but I don't drink.
And you know he was, he wasn'tjudgy, he didn't like preach,
and he and I said, well, why?
And he said, well, I'm aChristian.
And I was like I rememberthinking to myself, well, who
cares?
Like why did what does thatmatter?
Like I'm like I go to church atChristmas, like what's the
what's the deal?
Big deal.
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And that was my honest thoughts, and I had and it really
irritated me, though, and itreally it struck a nerve because
I pride it I grew up going tochurch on Sundays and, better
than I, I worshiped the God ofhockey and so he lived with me
and it was a really positivewitness to me.
And then I had a couple of otherChristian teammates over the
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next seasons and and I had oneteammate that was playing on my
team and then went off toanother team and then became a
Christian and came back and Iwas like he was different, a
different person, a differentcreation.
And I remember thinking like,why did why?
What is this Christian thingall about?
I thought I was already thereand clearly I'm not.
And and then I kept going downthat path, worshiping the God of
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hockey, and it was justunfulfilling.
I was unhappy.
It was, I was not, it was justunhappy.
And and I felt empty.
And I I remember going to somechapels with the team and I
started to get connected withsome of the ministry folks that
were coming alongside us thatbelieved that God had put him,
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that God had called him to helphockey players, thankfully, and
we, we, I just said one day Isaid I don't want to do this
anymore, I just want to give upcontrol.
And it was in 2004.
And I was 26 years old and Ijust said, god, if you're real
and I believe God was real but Isaid I'm going to try Jesus out
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and really, you know, make himand pray that prayer.
And I started to read and Ijust said I'm going to surrender
my hockey career.
I'm tired of trying to do it onmy own strength and it's just
beat me down and I'm just, it'sjust too hard.
And I surrendered and I saidGod, I don't care if I don't
play hockey next year, I'm okaywith it.
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And I'm I'm, I meant it, I'mdone with that, whatever you
decide, and I truly believe thatit would be my last year, and
so I the pressure, I felt thisweight lift off me and I played
the rest of the season and Iplayed well and and that was my
faith, that's what thingschanged.
And then the that's when my NHLcareer started was the next
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season, but it was yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Wow, that's a good pivot.
That's a good story.
I love.
I appreciate you sharing thefeeling, the emotions.
I mean you felt empty and youdidn't know why, or you did.
I mean it was you'd put up,you'd put hockey as your God.
I mean I get it as your God.
And that switch and it's like Igive up, like what do you want
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to do with me?
And you put you in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know it's a lot of burden to let go off, yeah
yeah, it's a lot of burden, andGod gives us desires of our
heart and and I felt like it waslike, see, I Would have had,
you would have been here soonerif you had a, if it hadn't been,
if you hadn't been so stubborn.
You know, and, and it was, itwas a lesson.
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It was like that freedom and so, you know, recently going
through a similar situation,were not similar in like the
actual sense, but similar inthat I was trying to control a
situation and Make it happen onmy own, and when I surrendered
it, and continuously surrenderit, the door start opening,
whereas before they're closing.
And it was a similar situationwhere I had to relearn the
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lesson again, but I didn't takeme as long, and and and I'm able
to look and say, okay, I'mtrying to control this and so
Just let it go.
And if God is God's will, it'swill, it's not, it's not
accepted, and and so having tosurrender and Resurrender on a
daily basis.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, I had a.
My last podcast was with DrRana Mustafa and we talked about
that transition of, of thepivot, and when something
happens and you, just you knowhow to like it happens, you know
things happen and you, you knowyou have to pivot out of it or
good or bad.
And that transition you getbetter at it, you get, you
recognize it and you can, youknow quick, more quickly, say,
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okay, god, what I let go.
So I appreciate that At leaderimpact we we want to grow
professionally, personally andspiritually For increasing
impact.
Would you be willing to sharean example of how the spiritual
makes a practical difference inyour life as a leader?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
oh, For sure.
If I'm, you know, I think Godwill.
God refines me in my quiet time, when I, when I make the quiet
time every day in prayer andlistening to what he's calling
me to do, and and Asking God,you know, how can I take care of
you today?
What are the things that thatWhatever's coming down the pipe
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today?
What?
What can I do to take care ofyour needs, knowing that he's
gonna take care of mineabundantly and I just need to
get out of my own way for that.
So, focusing on him and Thoughwhat that does for me as a
leader is, I get to see thingsin a different lens.
Throughout the day, we seewhere people might need some
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encouragement or they might behurting or how I can help them,
and the situation yesterdaywhere there's a Leader that I
was working with and a teamenvironment and I could tell
there's like a disconnect forhim in terms of that role, and
and then there's a, there's asomebody else that's there that
I know gets it and wants toinvest in that individual and
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and and helping him connect thedots that your, this is your
gift here.
This is your.
This is how you're gonna makeit through this season and have
success, and so I'm like Godwanted me to clarify for that
for him, because I've had thatsame experience and You'll be
shared and invest and share thatwith somebody else.
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So it's it's, it's definitelybeing grounded and God, okay,
what you've got, you plan todayand and you plan yesterday, so I
could be prepared for today andand having that lens helps me
to become a stronger leader andand have empathy for others and
at the other day, god is love,and and, and, and, and, and.
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When I can see it through God'seyes and to be able to love
others and let let him workthrough me, that's I'm always
gonna show up as a better leaderfor others and and and that.
And that doesn't mean that I'vegot it all figured out.
I am a, I'm a broken person, II try to do, I, I'm, I'm
surrendering daily and trying toget it on my own way, but it's
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Whenever I can make time andhave him refine me in the
mornings before my day starts,and I can get into that mindset.
I'm a much stronger leaderbecause he's, he's worked on my
heart at the start of the dayand and it's, it's a, it's a,
it's a better starting point forme.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, I love that.
We definitely have to get outof our own way, so I have to ask
you your so with the EOS, theentrepreneurial operating system
?
This is a program that is sortof is well, is nationwide, I
would think like it's.
So are you, would you?
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I'm not sure how to phrase thisquestion, but Because I know
there's Christian coaches, IWouldn't say that EOS doesn't
come off as that.
You are, though, so Do you everhave anyone that you know back
off, back off on religion?
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I know I had a coach and theyweren't.
And they said something like ifyou believe in that stuff, and
I was like you know what, we'renot a good fit.
And then the next one was allabout my faith.
So I just more.
My question is does anyone evergo?
Whoa?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Most of my clients are not professing Christians.
I have some that are, and Godhas drawn me some of my clients
that are professing Christiansand I feel like he's called all
of the clients I work with to me.
I don't feel like any of themare by accident, and the doors
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that have closed are ones thatnever were really a good fit to
begin with, and so I believethat to be true, that there's a
reason why God has called methese individuals, for whatever
reason.
So that's the.
But I haven't had anyone sayyou know, we're not, we're not
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or putting down my faith.
I haven't had anyone put downfaith, and so it's.
I would say most of them knowthat I'm a Christian and know
that I'm, or religious as theywould probably describe it, and
because I don't think I'mreligious, I believe I'm a
follower of Christ and I don'tassociate with, like I'm a hard,
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you know this denomination orthat denomination, as I'm a
Christian and and and I'm not,but you often get put in that
religious category.
But no, that's that's kind of,and God draws them all to me and
opens the doors that he wantsto have opened and the ones he
wants to close, and I usuallyfind out after meeting them that
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, oh yeah, this is why they're agood fit for me, because this
is, this is where they're at andthis is, and this will, be a
good relationship.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's a great answer.
Thank you for answering that.
I have two questions left.
These are some basic questionsI ask all our guests.
Leader impact is dedicated toleaders having a lasting impact.
So, as you continue to movethrough your own journey, have
you considered what you wantyour faith legacy to be when you
leave this world?
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
My legacy I'd like to leave is around generosity and
to have to have been generouswith my, my time, talent and
treasure.
I guess that's the talent, theparable of the talents, but that
that really that's what I wantto use my time, talent and
treasure to to for, for eternity, blessings and eternity for
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building up treasure in heaven.
That would be my, that's what Iwould want to leave as a legacy
, whether that's financiallyspeaking, of money that God
entrusted with me that I use tohelp help others through
ministry, or or what I'velearned, too, is when, when,
when I give, it's, it could bean answered prayer for somebody
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that prayed for that, and theyreceive and then they thank God,
and God is he uses it to buildtheir faith and confidence.
So, like it's, that is anotherway that God will use our
finances to bless, and in waysthat I'm sure I don't even.
I won't even realize until I'min heaven what that would look
like.
But that's really what I wantto be legacy is just how can I
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use my time, talent and treasureto, to, to, to build up eternal
treasure?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's really good.
And the last question is whatbrings you the greatest joy?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Greatest joy.
It's a.
It's a good question.
I think worship is one of myfavorite activity.
I mean that that might be areally corny Christian thing to
say, but it but it's.
I'll say that and then I'llanswer something else as well,
but that that is I love toworship is is just awesome, and
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then the second and for peoplewho don't know what, what, what
do you mean by that?
Yeah, okay.
So worship for me is singing andbeing in a, in a group of
whether it's a church or at a, aconcert, a faith praise and
worship night, that sort ofthing Like I love to, to worship
with other believers and justbe free to worship and not feel
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self conscious.
The other, the other favorite,my other thing that brings me
joy would be to watch mydaughter play hockey.
I'd love to watch her team playand I'm very competitive still
through that lens of wanting usto win, but having to be a good
sport and be humble when we lose, yeah, but I love to win.
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That brings me a lot of joy,and so watching her play hockey
is very satisfying and so that'sa joy.
And I love doing the work I dotoo.
I love to be able to when I cansee teams grow and make
progress and have have wins, andto me that that's very
fulfilling, brings me a lot ofjoy and satisfaction when I can
use my talents and time andenergy to to positively impact
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other people and they appreciateit.
So bringing value, I think, toother people gives me a lot of
joy.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, that was a great answer.
It's been a great half hour,joe.
I appreciate you just takingthe time and just sharing with
us.
There was some really greatanswers, simple, and I'm, I'm,
I'm thankful I'm always thankfulto show up here.
I love it.
If anybody wants to reach outto you, if they or engage with
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you, what is the best way?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Through LinkedIn would would probably be the most
effective or on my microsite,through the EOS Worldwide or my
email and contact form.
You can reach out to me thereand that message will come
direct to my inbox.
So through my microsite on EOSEOS Worldwide if you Google my
name, you could easily find itor through Connecting with Me on
LinkedIn.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Awesome, linkedin's easy and we will find you.
Joe, just thank you again forsharing the last half hour with
us.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, thanks, lisa.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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I'm your host, lisa Peters, andour guest today is Joe DePenta.
Joe was the first hockey playerto bring the Stanley Cup back
to his hometown of Colharbor,nova Scotia, in 2007, as a
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member of the Anaheim Ducks, twoyears before Crosby did in 2009
.
At the time, he was part of aselect group of 150 players who
have won both the Stanley Cupand the Calder Cup, the
championship trophy for theAmerican Hockey League.
During his hockey career, healso played for the Philadelphia
Flyers, atlanta Thrasher's,vancouver Canucks and Buffalo
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Sabres organizations.
After graduating fromCalifornia State University, joe
moved home to pursue a careerin nonprofit working for
organizations he is passionateabout.
Joe now resides in Dartmouth,nova Scotia, with his wife,
jessica, and 11-year-olddaughter Chloe.
Joe coaches his daughter'shockey team and volunteers his
time at several local charities.
Professionally, joe is an EOSimplementer, working with
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entrepreneurial leaders to givethem more control over their
businesses.
Welcome to the show, joe.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Thanks, lisa, it's great to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's funny.
When I say welcome to the show,it's like you made the big show
.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
This is the big show.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I used to hear that as a kid.
You know all the hockey players.
They all wanted the big show.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, yeah, I had experienced the show.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You did so.
Did you actually, and Iapologize, I think you played in
the Stanley Cup.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, I won the Stanley Cup in 2007 with the
Ducks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, and I think that is a very low percentage of
players that ever get thatopportunity and then never
actually get to win.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's something like 2% of NHL players win the
Stanley Cup.
So if you then extrapolate that, overall hockey players across
Canada it's in the hundreds ofthousands, I think, of all the
players that lay some up get towin the Stanley Cup.
So pretty small odds.
I was in the right place at theright time and lots of great
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hockey players never won theStanley Cup and you're kind of
like, wow, that's pretty surreal.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, that is a great feat, congratulations.
So we're looking for a bit ofyour professional story and how
you got to where you are today,so we're just wondering if you
can share a couple of snapshotsthat were pivotal turning points
in your journey.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Sure In my hockey career, or faith journey, or
does it work?
I think, in your hockey career.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'd love to hear some of those.
Or just because, and then you,ultimately you're a in EOS
implementer.
But I mean, we love hockey,we're from Canada, excellent.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
So when I was, I had a prettyeasy until I turned professional
.
And I say easy, it wasn't easy.
I had to put a lot of trainingand dedication that went into
the sport, but easy from theperspective that I didn't face a
lot of adversity Things.
I pretty much made every teamthat I wanted to and had success
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and was drafted to the NHL andand and was able to any new team
I joined.
I was quickly able to gain theconfidence of the coaches and my
teammates.
When I turned professional in2000,.
In 2000, the year 2000, it was Iwas now on a team that had
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older players that were in their30s and spread of ages, a
number of players that were moretalented than I was, and so it
was just that it was a.
It was a challenging year and Iremember I had a coach that is
a defense coach and he didn't.
He was like a little bitadversarial when I around being
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around him and and I'd come offthe ice and he'd make these
comments and and I felt like hewas didn't like me and I
observed some of the behaviorsand it was, it was just
uncomfortable.
And then I had this dynamicwith an older team that they I
was this new rookie and theydidn't.
It was like there was a barrierthere to like a treat me like I
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was a rookie and then and therewas other rookies on the team
as well, it was a very it was.
It was.
It was difficult and I rememberthat I got some advice that I
should just start meeting withthat coach and having one on one
meetings and just win him over.
He like he loved video, so Istarted watching video with him
after practice and I started tosee my play pick up and then by
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the end of the year when Iimproved my performance, he was
my biggest advocate and I.
It was a good lesson for me inpart of that year.
Another lesson was my the firstgame I played.
I got my nose broken in a fightand I had a bad experience
fighting in junior, where Ididn't win a fight.
In the next day in the papersmy picture was in the front page
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of the sports section that saidthose hands were made for
fighting.
I was very embarrassed and itwas my own, and so I had this
fear of getting embarrassedfighting.
And so three months went by inmy first pro career year pro and
I remember my mother came tovisit and she said she asked me
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if things were going.
And she said, joe, how arethings?
And I looked at her and Ithought what she was.
She'd give me some sympathy andsay, you know, I was going to
tell her how it was a difficultseason and how the coaches
wanted me to fight.
And I thought, I thought whatyou would say is you know, joey,
you just, you hang tight and atthe end of the year you come
home and we'll take care of it,don't worry.
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And what she said to me, I said, well, mom, they want me to
fight.
And she said, well, I guess youbetter start fighting then.
And then, two games later, I wasin my second pro fight and I
actually won and won the fight.
And I realized that it was Iwas, I had overcome the fear and
it really wasn't as bad as Iwas building it up to be in my
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mind.
And then after that, I was fine, I was able to break through
and my performance went up, myconfidence went up and that was
really overcoming those twobarriers where it was a
difference for me playing oneyear professional and then or 11
and winning a Stanley Cup, sothat was that's.
The biggest adversity I facedwas in that first year pro.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah.
So going back to your mom,because I am a mom of a hockey
player and I think if he everfought I would like pass out,
but your mom was she yourbiggest advocate.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, my mom and dad, both, you know dad, drove me to
the ring more than Monday andwhich mom is at every game and
they're both big advocates stillin my life and and so, but mom,
yeah, she was.
She, you know, ironically, whenI was 12 years old and I was in
a bit of a disagreement on theice, she, she was next to the
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bench and in the stands and itwas a close, you know, quarter
rink and I was like this and Ihad cocked my fist and I was
going to punch the person thatthat I was in the disagreement
with, and she yelled from thestands to such an extent that it
stopped me in my tracks and iteveryone looked at her from both
benches and and so the ironywas, is that you know that that
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formed me in that year, and thenI kind of refrained that anger
and her mist, it, and and thenshe was the one that said now
you have permission, go aheadit's.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It's okay, now you're playing professional in your,
your, your grown up and andthat's just part of the game, so
yeah, I remember one time myson was playing and he lost the
game and he skated off the ice,like the whole team skated off
the ice.
And when he like, I think when,as soon as it got out of the
dressing room, I gave him one ofthe.
You will win with grace and youwill lose, lose with grace.
And the next time you willshake hands, and I don't care if
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your team doesn't, and I wasjust, you know, and I made him
cry.
He was young and and he neverforgot that.
He shook hands and it, you know, he never forgot it.
And recently I I lost anelection in municipal and I had
to lose with grace and my mindwent right to that moment that I
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had with my son when he was 10.
Oh, you know, and, and he wasthere, he like, when the
election results came in, my sonwas right there, he's 18 now.
I had to lose with grace.
Oh, mother's words.
So we talk a little bit aboutthe principles of success and I
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was wondering if you could giveus your best principle of
success and tell us a story thatillustrates this.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think my, the principle onone of my, my values is humility
, and the game of hockey is agreat game.
I believe it's the greatestgame I've ever experienced.
I'm biased, of course, and Ibet.
I played a lot of games and forme, hockey is the best game
because it reinforces humilityover and over again.
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You, you can play, you can bethe best team on paper and get
on the ice.
In a team with with a lot lessskill, can be to pretty pretty
easily If you're not on top ofyour game.
So it reinforced this idea ofyou have to respect your
opponent and and bring it everysingle game if you want to have
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success.
And then, as as an individualon a team, in order for you to
play, for me, to play my best, Ihad to bring in every game as
well in terms of preparation,and so that was instilled in me,
and so preparation is huge andand humility was.
It was a big part of that.
And I remember I had a coachearly on in my career and I say
career, I was like eight, nine,ten years old and it was our
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team manager actually, and hewas like a second father to me,
my, he was a mentor to my dadand he he recognized that I had
an ability that was unique inthe game hockey, and he pointed
it out and he was cautioning myfather and and then Hence I got
the, the messaging through mythrough him, through my dad.
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But they, they remember myparents sat me down and said Joe
, you're good, we think you're areally good player.
And it was just like an unusualconversation.
I still remember and you knowmany conversations I forget this
one I remember from all thoseyears back and they sat me down
and they say you're a reallygood player, but one thing that
we want you to avoid, or trap toavoid, is to be Overconfident
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and to think that you're betterthan others.
And they they had seen thatother than other players that
had ability, and they said thatthat would be Not a good thing
for you to go down that path.
And so that conversation justreally reinforced the the
humility is important and thenI've carried that Throughout my
playing career and that led tosuccess and I think it's a form
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of a part, of a necessity tohave success and to be Coachable
and like the situation where Iwas having that difficulty with
fighting and having overcomethat obstacle.
If I didn't have humility andif I wasn't coachable, then I
never would have broke throughthat barrier.
I never would even got as faras I did if I did wasn't
coachable.
So I see it all the time inleadership.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I in what I do now.
If somebody isn't coachable andthey don't have the, if they're
missing something and when theyget the time gets tough like
they, they just don't make it.
And I had a Conversation withsomebody this morning actually
about that, where I'm trying toencourage them and say you got
to lean into your mentor andyour coach and rely on them.
But the top, the moment youstart to try to manage their
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expectations and You're notbeing totally humble and open
and honest with them and you'reyou're trying to manage how they
think you're doing, you'regonna lose them and you're in
trouble.
So it's it's better just to sayI don't know what I'm doing in
this situation.
I know your help and peoplewill invest into you and they
want that honesty.
But so I think that's thathumility is really Something I
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carry and people have commentedto me that that's what they see
and when they, when they workwith me and and that's and I
want to work with people tovalue that.
Otherwise we really kind ofdon't align.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, I was having a conversation today about
coaching and you know we were,and I think there was a
reference and I but coaching theathlete, coaching the corporate
athlete, like you need to becoached.
We forget you know all ourlives, I mean yourself, you had
a coach and and then we get intothe corporate world and we'd
like I'll do it on my own, youknow, and so I appreciate the
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reference there.
That was really good.
So this is about failures andmistakes, because I think we
learn more from our failures andmistakes than we do from our
successes.
So I'm wondering if you canshare, maybe If you had a
failure, if you had a mistake,and what you learned from it and
you know how it actuallyprobably was a success in your
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life.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, a failure.
You know I think I fail.
Marriage is probably thehardest thing I've ever done and
I've been.
We've been married for 18 yearsand I'm always being refined
through my relationship withJessica and I Don't know I I've
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made mistakes, I've failed.
I've Nick been, not even I'vebeen blind to to, to how I've
treated my wife and treatedJessica in different times and I
think one of my, one of mybiggest Learnings is that I
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failed at putting her andhelping her feel and actually
actually putting her first Abovecareer and when I was a hockey
player, that was my my god washockey and that was before I
became a Christian, and then mygod became my god, but then,
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arguably, hockey and god were Inot sure.
I'm not sure who.
Which one was honestly, whichone was first probably a hockey
and and, and then my wife waslike third and and so she, she
Powered through that and and wasstuck by my side throughout all
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those years, thinking thatafter my hockey career was over
that it would change.
Mm-hmm and it didn't.
All I did was put another idolin place, and what I've learned
is that our hearts areprogrammed to worship and if we
don't, if we do not put Godfirst and worship him, him alone
will replace it with somethingelse, will replace it with a
career, money, power, advice,and it's not healthy and we will
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not get peace.
We will not.
We will not, we will not beblessed in what we're doing, and
and it won't benefit us oranyone else around us, and so it
hurt my relationship withJessica.
So I had made that mistake andnow my mantra has been about
just every day, grinding myselfyou reap what you sow.
If you reap sparingly, you sosparingly, are you so sparingly?
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You reap sparingly, and theopposite of that.
And so if I'm not investingtime, energy and thought into my
relationship with my wife andhow she's thinking and feeling,
I can't expect that I'm going toso abundantly.
And that's what I've learned.
And just, I haven't done a, Imade a mistake, and that's what
I learned from it, and so it'sbeen, and I was completely blind
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to it.
Even though I would hear it, itjust wouldn't sink in.
So that's probably the biggestmistake.
Failure is through thatrelationship and that's why God
uses our marriages to refine usand grow our character.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, now you, I love the reap what you sow.
I just used that last week andI mean something like sales.
If you don't go out there andkeep going after sales and keep
going, they'll never sow.
Nothing, like you got to go andyou got to keep sewing to
actually reap, and if you don'tsow, there's no reap.
But anyway, I want to ask youabout where you were when you
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found your faith.
So earlier I had asked youabout a pivotal moment and you
had said you know which one doyou want to talk about?
We talked about yourprofessional.
So where were you in?
I mean, it sounds like you weredone hockey, I think.
But tell us, where was that foryou?
And that was a pivotal moment,I think.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, so when I was playing, I was still playing
hockey.
I was playing.
It was my fifth year.
I had started my career andprofessional career and played
on a number of teams and I hadmy second season.
So my first season I had just Itried to do everything I could
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to fit in with the team Imentioned.
I was some struggles and I wasdoing everything I could to fit
in and survive.
And then in my second and Ifelt like I did that, I felt
like I accomplished that, that Ifinally fit in, but I was.
I was not living a life that Iwas proud of, like there was
drinking, there was womanizinggoing to the like, just I didn't
like who I was anymore and itwas like a I just it was a, just
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a bad I was.
I was influenced and I acceptedit and I did everything I could
to fit in and it was.
I didn't like who I was and Ihad a.
I had a friend, a teammate,that joined the team and he
ended up becoming my roommatethat year and he was a Christian
and he said I when I rememberjust coming up a conversation
like, are you going to come overthis?
Are you going to go to the barAre you going to do, or were
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this what we're doing?
And he was like you know, I'llcome, but I don't drink.
And you know he was, he wasn'tjudgy, he didn't like preach,
and he and I said, well, why?
And he said, well, I'm aChristian.
And I was like I rememberthinking to myself, well, who
cares?
Like why did what does thatmatter?
Like I'm like I go to church atChristmas, like what's the
what's the deal?
Big deal.
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And that was my honest thoughts, and I had and it really
irritated me, though, and itreally it struck a nerve because
I pride it I grew up going tochurch on Sundays and, better
than I, I worshiped the God ofhockey and so he lived with me
and it was a really positivewitness to me.
And then I had a couple of otherChristian teammates over the
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next seasons and and I had oneteammate that was playing on my
team and then went off toanother team and then became a
Christian and came back and Iwas like he was different, a
different person, a differentcreation.
And I remember thinking like,why did why?
What is this Christian thingall about?
I thought I was already thereand clearly I'm not.
And and then I kept going downthat path, worshiping the God of
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hockey, and it was justunfulfilling.
I was unhappy.
It was, I was not, it was justunhappy.
And and I felt empty.
And I I remember going to somechapels with the team and I
started to get connected withsome of the ministry folks that
were coming alongside us thatbelieved that God had put him,
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that God had called him to helphockey players, thankfully, and
we, we, I just said one day Isaid I don't want to do this
anymore, I just want to give upcontrol.
And it was in 2004.
And I was 26 years old and Ijust said, god, if you're real
and I believe God was real but Isaid I'm going to try Jesus out
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and really, you know, make himand pray that prayer.
And I started to read and Ijust said I'm going to surrender
my hockey career.
I'm tired of trying to do it onmy own strength and it's just
beat me down and I'm just, it'sjust too hard.
And I surrendered and I saidGod, I don't care if I don't
play hockey next year, I'm okaywith it.
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And I'm I'm, I meant it, I'mdone with that, whatever you
decide, and I truly believe thatit would be my last year, and
so I the pressure, I felt thisweight lift off me and I played
the rest of the season and Iplayed well and and that was my
faith, that's what thingschanged.
And then the that's when my NHLcareer started was the next
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season, but it was yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Wow, that's a good pivot.
That's a good story.
I love.
I appreciate you sharing thefeeling, the emotions.
I mean you felt empty and youdidn't know why, or you did.
I mean it was you'd put up,you'd put hockey as your God.
I mean I get it as your God.
And that switch and it's like Igive up, like what do you want
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to do with me?
And you put you in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know it's a lot of burden to let go off, yeah
yeah, it's a lot of burden, andGod gives us desires of our
heart and and I felt like it waslike, see, I Would have had,
you would have been here soonerif you had a, if it hadn't been,
if you hadn't been so stubborn.
You know, and, and it was, itwas a lesson.
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It was like that freedom and so, you know, recently going
through a similar situation,were not similar in like the
actual sense, but similar inthat I was trying to control a
situation and Make it happen onmy own, and when I surrendered
it, and continuously surrenderit, the door start opening,
whereas before they're closing.
And it was a similar situationwhere I had to relearn the
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lesson again, but I didn't takeme as long, and and and I'm able
to look and say, okay, I'mtrying to control this and so
Just let it go.
And if God is God's will, it'swill, it's not, it's not
accepted, and and so having tosurrender and Resurrender on a
daily basis.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, I had a.
My last podcast was with DrRana Mustafa and we talked about
that transition of, of thepivot, and when something
happens and you, just you knowhow to like it happens, you know
things happen and you, you knowyou have to pivot out of it or
good or bad.
And that transition you getbetter at it, you get, you
recognize it and you can, youknow quick, more quickly, say,
(22:36):
okay, god, what I let go.
So I appreciate that At leaderimpact we we want to grow
professionally, personally andspiritually For increasing
impact.
Would you be willing to sharean example of how the spiritual
makes a practical difference inyour life as a leader?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
oh, For sure.
If I'm, you know, I think Godwill.
God refines me in my quiet time, when I, when I make the quiet
time every day in prayer andlistening to what he's calling
me to do, and and Asking God,you know, how can I take care of
you today?
What are the things that thatWhatever's coming down the pipe
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today?
What?
What can I do to take care ofyour needs, knowing that he's
gonna take care of mineabundantly and I just need to
get out of my own way for that.
So, focusing on him and Thoughwhat that does for me as a
leader is, I get to see thingsin a different lens.
Throughout the day, we seewhere people might need some
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encouragement or they might behurting or how I can help them,
and the situation yesterdaywhere there's a Leader that I
was working with and a teamenvironment and I could tell
there's like a disconnect forhim in terms of that role, and
and then there's a, there's asomebody else that's there that
I know gets it and wants toinvest in that individual and
(24:05):
and and helping him connect thedots that your, this is your
gift here.
This is your.
This is how you're gonna makeit through this season and have
success, and so I'm like Godwanted me to clarify for that
for him, because I've had thatsame experience and You'll be
shared and invest and share thatwith somebody else.
(24:25):
So it's it's, it's definitelybeing grounded and God, okay,
what you've got, you plan todayand and you plan yesterday, so I
could be prepared for today andand having that lens helps me
to become a stronger leader andand have empathy for others and
at the other day, god is love,and and, and, and, and, and.
(24:47):
When I can see it through God'seyes and to be able to love
others and let let him workthrough me, that's I'm always
gonna show up as a better leaderfor others and and and that.
And that doesn't mean that I'vegot it all figured out.
I am a, I'm a broken person, II try to do, I, I'm, I'm
surrendering daily and trying toget it on my own way, but it's
(25:10):
Whenever I can make time andhave him refine me in the
mornings before my day starts,and I can get into that mindset.
I'm a much stronger leaderbecause he's, he's worked on my
heart at the start of the dayand and it's, it's a, it's a,
it's a better starting point forme.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, I love that.
We definitely have to get outof our own way, so I have to ask
you your so with the EOS, theentrepreneurial operating system
?
This is a program that is sortof is well, is nationwide, I
would think like it's.
So are you, would you?
(25:49):
I'm not sure how to phrase thisquestion, but Because I know
there's Christian coaches, IWouldn't say that EOS doesn't
come off as that.
You are, though, so Do you everhave anyone that you know back
off, back off on religion?
(26:12):
I know I had a coach and theyweren't.
And they said something like ifyou believe in that stuff, and
I was like you know what, we'renot a good fit.
And then the next one was allabout my faith.
So I just more.
My question is does anyone evergo?
Whoa?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Most of my clients are not professing Christians.
I have some that are, and Godhas drawn me some of my clients
that are professing Christiansand I feel like he's called all
of the clients I work with to me.
I don't feel like any of themare by accident, and the doors
(26:50):
that have closed are ones thatnever were really a good fit to
begin with, and so I believethat to be true, that there's a
reason why God has called methese individuals, for whatever
reason.
So that's the.
But I haven't had anyone sayyou know, we're not, we're not
(27:17):
or putting down my faith.
I haven't had anyone put downfaith, and so it's.
I would say most of them knowthat I'm a Christian and know
that I'm, or religious as theywould probably describe it, and
because I don't think I'mreligious, I believe I'm a
follower of Christ and I don'tassociate with, like I'm a hard,
(27:41):
you know this denomination orthat denomination, as I'm a
Christian and and and I'm not,but you often get put in that
religious category.
But no, that's that's kind of,and God draws them all to me and
opens the doors that he wantsto have opened and the ones he
wants to close, and I usuallyfind out after meeting them that
(28:02):
, oh yeah, this is why they're agood fit for me, because this
is, this is where they're at andthis is, and this will, be a
good relationship.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's a great answer.
Thank you for answering that.
I have two questions left.
These are some basic questionsI ask all our guests.
Leader impact is dedicated toleaders having a lasting impact.
So, as you continue to movethrough your own journey, have
you considered what you wantyour faith legacy to be when you
leave this world?
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
My legacy I'd like to leave is around generosity and
to have to have been generouswith my, my time, talent and
treasure.
I guess that's the talent, theparable of the talents, but that
that really that's what I wantto use my time, talent and
treasure to to for, for eternity, blessings and eternity for
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building up treasure in heaven.
That would be my, that's what Iwould want to leave as a legacy
, whether that's financiallyspeaking, of money that God
entrusted with me that I use tohelp help others through
ministry, or or what I'velearned, too, is when, when,
when I give, it's, it could bean answered prayer for somebody
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that prayed for that, and theyreceive and then they thank God,
and God is he uses it to buildtheir faith and confidence.
So, like it's, that is anotherway that God will use our
finances to bless, and in waysthat I'm sure I don't even.
I won't even realize until I'min heaven what that would look
like.
But that's really what I wantto be legacy is just how can I
(29:46):
use my time, talent and treasureto, to, to, to build up eternal
treasure?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's really good.
And the last question is whatbrings you the greatest joy?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Greatest joy.
It's a.
It's a good question.
I think worship is one of myfavorite activity.
I mean that that might be areally corny Christian thing to
say, but it but it's.
I'll say that and then I'llanswer something else as well,
but that that is I love toworship is is just awesome, and
(30:21):
then the second and for peoplewho don't know what, what, what
do you mean by that?
Yeah, okay.
So worship for me is singing andbeing in a, in a group of
whether it's a church or at a, aconcert, a faith praise and
worship night, that sort ofthing Like I love to, to worship
with other believers and justbe free to worship and not feel
(30:45):
self conscious.
The other, the other favorite,my other thing that brings me
joy would be to watch mydaughter play hockey.
I'd love to watch her team playand I'm very competitive still
through that lens of wanting usto win, but having to be a good
sport and be humble when we lose, yeah, but I love to win.
(31:07):
That brings me a lot of joy,and so watching her play hockey
is very satisfying and so that'sa joy.
And I love doing the work I dotoo.
I love to be able to when I cansee teams grow and make
progress and have have wins, andto me that that's very
fulfilling, brings me a lot ofjoy and satisfaction when I can
use my talents and time andenergy to to positively impact
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other people and they appreciateit.
So bringing value, I think, toother people gives me a lot of
joy.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, that was a great answer.
It's been a great half hour,joe.
I appreciate you just takingthe time and just sharing with
us.
There was some really greatanswers, simple, and I'm, I'm,
I'm thankful I'm always thankfulto show up here.
I love it.
If anybody wants to reach outto you, if they or engage with
(32:01):
you, what is the best way?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Through LinkedIn would would probably be the most
effective or on my microsite,through the EOS Worldwide or my
email and contact form.
You can reach out to me thereand that message will come
direct to my inbox.
So through my microsite on EOSEOS Worldwide if you Google my
name, you could easily find itor through Connecting with Me on
LinkedIn.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Awesome, linkedin's easy and we will find you.
Joe, just thank you again forsharing the last half hour with
us.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Okay, thanks, lisa.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right.
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