April 29, 2024 • 70 mins
Prepare your spellbooks and tune your instruments, as today's episode is a magical symphony of gaming and music intertwined. We're joined by the extraordinarily talented Jocelyn, Berklee alum and the auditory architect of our Legends, Loot, and Lore podcast soundtrack. With her, we delve into the meticulous art of composing music and sound effects for video games, particularly for the enchanting world of Wizard Cats and an electrifying new project. Her passion for the craft shines as she unveils the secrets behind creating the perfect spell sound, layering elements to bring digital sorcery to life.
As dice roll across the table, our conversation glides into the nostalgia of past tabletop RPGs and the exhilaration of modern board games that have us spellbound. We reminisce about roles played and laugh over long-lost campaign antics. With Jocelyn's compositions as our backdrop, we explore the bespoke rhythms that accompany our podcast's storytelling, highlighting the importance of music in enhancing the role-playing atmosphere. The rise of gaming cafes and their role in fostering vibrant gaming communities is also spotlighted, proving that the love for communal storytelling is alive and thriving.
Finally, we lift the curtain on an upcoming interactive D&D theatrical experience that promises to steal the show for fans and players alike. Jocelyn offers a glimpse into the world of Spotify and music distribution, essential knowledge for any contemporary musician. Then, we discuss the latest from Dice Dungeons and fresh campaign ideas that will revolutionize your next D&D session. Don't miss out on this journey through the rich tapestry of gaming infused with the melody of life, where each roll of the dice and note played resonates with the heart of adventure.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
welcome back everybody to another fantastic
episode of legends, loot andlore, the, the best dnd podcast
this side of the hackensackriver.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, I don't know at least make it the hudson people
actually know what that is.
Yeah, what's funny.
I don't know the saddle river.
No, I don't know.
Uh, at least make it the hudson, the hudson people actually
know what that is.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, what's funny?
I don't know, the saddle rivermaybe, I don't know, like what,
what we'd be there's a saddleriver.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Is that why the town is named saddle river?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
yeah, yeah, there is the saddle river.
As a matter of fact, who?
Knew, learn something new everyday that's your geography
lesson for your body of water.
I don't know.
Whatever this.
Hopefully that's a Jeopardyquestion anyway, wow, it comes
(01:00):
up in trivia.
Anita and I are ready that'sright, absolutely now you know.
So, anyway, joining us in instudio.
That's the air quotes of thestudio, aka the dining room, aka
the dining room, aka our dndplayroom studio, whatever you,
whatever you want to call it.
(01:20):
We have a very special guestjoining us today jocelyn hi,
jocelyn, hello, how are you good?
So you none of you probablyknow who jocelyn is, but you
have definitely heard of jocelyn, because all of the music
composed for the legends, lootand Lore podcast was done by
(01:44):
Jocelyn, our niece, by the way.
Yeah, the incredibly talentedartist, musician.
What else?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I think that's it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Artist artist and musician Fantastic, all-around
cool person.
Yes, absolutely so.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, this is very exciting.
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So tell us so what actually brings you to the fine
state of new jersey I'm here togo to a music festival yeah they
actually have a dnd panel atthe festival.
Oh, see what I would have see.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We would have enjoyed that we would have stood out
like sore thumbs I know right,it is today.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
if you still want to go, oh, excellent.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Fantastic, find everything you own that's black.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I have to work on that.
Yeah, I have to work on that,but anyway, so we're so happy to
have you here, so tell us alittle bit about your background
, your education and some of thethings that you've've worked on
beyond just the the fantasticmusic for our podcast so I've
(02:58):
studied video game and moviecomposition at berkeley in
boston awesome and moviecomposition at Berkeley in
Boston Awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And since then I've worked on a game called Wizard
Cats, doing sound effects forthat, which is super fun.
It is partially D&D inspired inthe classes in the game and so
I'm doing a lot of spell soundeffects in that, which is really
cool to do.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And right now I can't tell you the name of the game
that I'm working on because it'snot out yet, but I'm doing
music for this one oh awesome,oh very exciting, yeah, so so
how does one because I this is,I'm just fascinated by this so
how does one create a, a spellcasting sound effect like what,
how, what, what does thatactually entail?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
well, thinking about what element the spell will be
and what it will be looking likein game, whether it will have
particles or if it's a cone orray shape and then usually the
sounds will have three levels toit, like the high frequencies,
middle frequencies and lowfrequencies and think about how
you would make each one.
(04:02):
There'll be a low boom and thenthe body of the spell and then
maybe some little sparks orparticles on top.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Fascinating.
This is things you never thinkabout, things you never think
about when you play games, andwhen you play video games and
things like that, you neverthink about how much actually
goes into creating each one ofthose effects.
That's fascinating, so whatinspired you to study this and
(04:28):
get into it?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I just have always loved video game soundtracks.
One of my first memories ofplaying video games was the
Trine game series, and that wasthe first album that I bought
the soundtrack for that game,because I loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh, very cool, Awesome, wow, so.
So I'm trying to think aboutwhat, where I want to go with
this.
Do you have any questions, dear?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Okay, I do.
Actually, that was a very blanklook and then all of a sudden,
I realized I do have a question.
I'm curious about how you wentfrom.
You've always been superartistic.
We still have a picture ofLando on our refrigerator that
you did years and years ago.
How did you go from that towanting to do music composition?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, my mom has taught me piano since I was
young and, like dad, does soundmixing, that type of thing.
So there's a lot of music inour house and so I took a lot of
piano lessons.
And then one of the lastout-of-our-house teachers that I
had mentioned that he went toBerkeley and that they had a
(05:41):
course for video gamecomposition.
So that got me interested and Ihad always for a while been
doing writing out the scoresfrom video game soundtracks,
just like piano versions of themfor myself to play.
And from there it went fromtranscribing scores to trying to
write my own.
And then I'm like, oh, this isa lot of fun.
(06:02):
I like this, that's awesome,that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
so where do you, where do you source like, how do
you so, how do you come up withlike the sound effect?
So I know, so there's, like yousaid, high, mid, low, but like,
where do you source, like, like, how do you like create that,
that sound?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
well, you can't think of it literally unless you have
like a magic wand, but um.
So for like thinking, there's alot of whoosh sound effects
that you use.
So for that, for example, I'lllike swing around a sock or a
ruler so it makes that noise,and for like the low if you
think of the earth spell withthe rumbling rocks and earth
(06:44):
moving we'll fill up a box witheither like walnuts or acorns or
small rocks from outside andlike move that around to record
that sound.
That's super cool.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I love how like actually physical it still is
Right, you know like as hightech as everything is like
you're still literally likefilling a box with stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The latest thing I just did.
I had to record footsteps inthe woodland environment, so I
went outside and I had a shoveland I filled up a cardboard box
with dirt and leaves and then Iwas marching around like in my
office, walking through the box.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It looked really funny, that's amazing, that's
great box, it looked reallyfunny.
That's amazing, that's great itreminds me a lot of like, like
foley artists.
Yeah, definitely doing doingall that work, because that
that's been that's alwaysprobably my most like.
The thing that I'm mostinterested when it comes to
movies are the foley artists andand creating all that effect.
So it's interesting to see thatit's.
It's very, very similar increating sound effects for video
(07:45):
games and things like that.
That is super cool.
So this is a D&D podcast.
So what has been yourexperience either playing D&D or
similar games, Because I knowyou and your family play a
million different games.
(08:05):
So what are some of yourfavorite?
So let's see.
How have you played D&D firstof all.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I have played just a few sessions, so I am a beginner
.
I'm the target audience for thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Perfect, yes, me too.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So what is your character or characters, what
have they been usually?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, the first time, I think, I was a cleric.
And then I really want to do abard character, because you know
music.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yes, of course.
Well, that makes perfect senseIf I play again.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I will do that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Clerics are always fascinating.
Like, what about?
Like a druid?
Like I could see you as a druidlike type character.
So they're.
It's just like clerics arefantastic as as healers and
things like that um, very, veryin touch with nature and and
things.
So so I could, I could totallysee that yeah what's your so
(08:59):
what type of adventure did youplay?
Was it?
Was it a standard dnd adventure?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
was like a homebrew it was one of the standard ones
from the books.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, oh cool.
Do you remember which one itwas?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I don't anymore uh okay, it's been a while, yeah,
yeah nice, we've been playing alot of um mage night, and then I
recently got into frosthaven,which is also like super
involved really yeah, cool arethese?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
are these mainly like card games or what?
What are the?
What are the games like?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Um, Frosthaven is more role play based.
It is a tabletop and with lotsof little pieces that I spent
like all Christmas day punchingout and organizing and bags and
all that type of.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But it does have um a storyline that it's meant to
span for, I think I heardsomeone say that they've played
it for a year.
Wow, so it is very long and youcan it's kind of choose your
own adventure, so you can shapeyour story as you go along it is
based on.
It's like a second version ofgloomhaven, if you've heard of
that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
so, yeah, okay, oh, very cool, yeah, excellent, yeah
, I mean, there's it was.
It was so interesting when,when we went, when katherine and
I went, pax Unplugged and sawthere was just so many tabletop
games and card games and justall sorts of different things,
like Varia I'm thinking aboutthat one that we picked up,
(10:19):
which I still need to play James, if you're listening which he's
probably not which he will bein about three weeks, after we
shame him into listening exactly.
He bought it as well.
So we need to, we need to play,and that's a card game with
again similar like classes, likelike dnd and things like that.
So we've got to play that one.
And then the pirate game.
(10:40):
Oh yeah, I've got, I gotta, Igotta break that one out.
It's tough because we don'thave that many people to play
with.
So, like you've got kind oflike a built-in like game table
game of four or so.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And there is a board game cafe near my house too.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
We went there in February, I think it was.
They did a demonstration ofWormspan, which is like Wingspan
, but it's dragon themed instead, and that was so, oh, very cool
yeah yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The one thing that I find interesting around here is
there's a group they starteddown in the philadelphia area
and it's called dungeons anddrafts and what they do is they?
they play at local, uh, likemicro breweries and they they
come in like like dms come inand they have like kind of their
pre-made, like a lot of itshomebrew games and and they come
(11:33):
in and people come into the umthe breweries and play, play
that which is a lot of fun,which I think is really cool.
Try to get them into gear.
Block, I know well.
Well, they're just moving intonorthern New Jersey.
They've been in the Phillysouth central kind of area of
New Jersey but they were juststarting to expand up into
(11:53):
northern New Jersey.
So, yeah, it would be great tohave them up local in Waldwick.
Absolutely, that would be a lotof fun, because I know they
were now we're getting off on atangent, but they had advertised
that they were looking for dmsup in northern New Jersey.
I actually sent it to Jamesbecause I thought that might be
something he would be interestedin yeah but yeah, so so let's
(12:17):
talk about since, since it isour podcast, let's talk about
our podcast and let's talk aboutthe music specific to that you
created for for our podcast.
So we have our, our intro music.
So so talk a little bit aboutwhat was your, what was your
inspiration for for creating themusic for this podcast.
I know I gave you some generalideas, but kind of what was,
(12:40):
what was your thought processgoing into it and creating the
music for this show?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, so I remember you said that you liked the
piece that I did called Tales ofAdventure, and that one's
slightly more pirate themed but,I, took the general idea from
it.
It's kind of folky, folkinstruments in there.
And then for the podcast Iwanted to have it be a little
more, um, high energy, becauseit's it's shorter, it needs to
(13:06):
say more quicker yes so I wentwith a more video game feel to
that more orchestral in thereyes, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So I want to see if we've got wait, love it, we got.
We got all these like thelittle, the little inter
interstitial pieces for inbetween, yeah, segments of the
podcast, and there's also I digthis one.
Oh, yeah, love it that one's alittle bit longer, so that one
(13:45):
that one's always a good one.
That's like.
That's usually the one that Iuse when we, when we start from
our intro and go into like the,the heart of the, the episode,
and things like that.
And we've got the outro as wellthat I always use.
And then you did the voiceoveryes for the, for the intro with
the intro music Catherine yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, For a long time I was just the voice of this
podcast and then, Joe had to getmarried.
He was not married yet.
He got engaged, I know, but hehad to get married.
So he has to spend timeplanning a wedding.
That's right and that's how Icame to.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
He's dead to me.
Kidding Joe Love you.
Noding Joe Love you, no, butyeah, so now you've become the
new co-host of.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I'm the new Joe .
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, joe 2.0?
.
Yes, interesting, betterlooking.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Oh, my goodness.
So let's talk about this,jocelyn.
What about your, your musicthat you, you create?
So, beyond all the all the thework that you're doing on the
video games, talk about, talkabout your music, because I, I
love listening to your music andyou, you've been on curated
spotify playlists, so so, so,tell us, tell us about your
(15:06):
music.
And you've been on curatedSpotify playlists, so tell us
about your music and all that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, thank you.
So I most recently released analbum I think it was in February
of the music I had worked onall of last year.
I do like to write my own, justideas that I have, fantasy
scenes.
It'll usually start with a ideafor a scene because, you know,
(15:30):
I like to do art, like visualart as well so I'll have that in
my mind while I'm writing andthen try to fit both together
and see where it goesinteresting.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So what's so?
What are some of yourinspirations?
For?
I mean beyond the art itself.
So where do you drawinspiration from?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
A lot from nature because there's the woods behind
our house, so that always makesme feel like I'm in a fantasy
story.
And then books that I read too,and other games, definitely
Nice yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So what are you reading lately?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
anything good I recently reread the whole um
dragon slipper series.
It's a um middle grade fantasy,but I just it's very nostalgic
for me because that was one thatI really loved and I found it
again.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, oh, very cool.
What about you, dear?
What about?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
me what you reading A book called how to Kill Men and
Get Away With it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, this is not a true crime podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's not a true crime book, either it's just a novel.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That'd be good.
If you're like a murder hobo ina D&D campaign, maybe you're a
rogue sneaking around trying toto kill.
Kill men who have wronged youmaybe.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well then I you know.
Then it goes to, to my buffy,the vampire slayer love, and I
become a vengeance demon, likeon yonka yeah, oh my, so tell me
about this.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So the vengeance demon yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
That's what anya's whole story arc was.
She came in as a vengeancedemon.
Um Cordelia made a wish andAnya was the one who fulfilled
it, but then I forget exactlyhow.
She ended up being kind of likebanished to be a teenage girl,
but she eventually becomes aScooby gang member.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Right, interesting, all right.
So so how much, jocelyn, haveyou studied the, the bard class?
What do you, what do you knowabout the bard class like other
than it being a musician?
Like what?
They're kind of chaotic okaycool, I don't know totally, yeah
, so they have a lot ofpersonality.
(17:43):
They really do Like I'm, I I diga bard, like it's so funny,
like I like cause they've gotlike vicious mockery and some
really good kind of good spellsin there, that that that they
can cast, and like they're,they're high on charisma, and I
just like I remember I did.
(18:05):
Well, we remember I did whatwas that?
We did that one shot and I didSir Edward Van Halen yes, the
Bard, it was just quoting musiclyrics.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, it was just I was like why not?
And then what was the?
Oh, we were playing.
I was DMing Strixhaven for alittle while and we had a battle
of the bands.
Oh, that's right.
I think Michael's character wasthe bard, if I recall correctly
(18:41):
, and he led the band in the thebattle of the bands.
That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Has Joe ever played a bard?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I don't, I don't believe Joe has played a bard.
He's always singing, he'salways quoting music lyrics and
I think he's always talkingabout creating a bard, but has
never actually played.
Played the bard Now.
Did you, jocelynelyn?
Did you watch the dnd movie?
oh yeah okay, so so obviouslychris pine's character, a
(19:12):
fantastic bard character like I,I think he's got the, he's got
kind of the good swagger for forlike playing a charismatic bard
, like I don't think I can.
I couldn't pull off being abard in regular life.
So I'm just not that, I don'tknow, I'm not musically inclined
(19:34):
.
My mother used to bribe me topractice.
She used to have to pay me topractice the piano.
It got that bad, like I just didnot want to do it and so she
would actually pay me money toto sit down and practice.
So she was.
She was not only paying for thepiano lessons, but then having
(19:56):
to pay me to also practice forthe piano lessons.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean, I haven't thought about it, but I
guess your musical for likemultiple generations, right
Cause your grandmother is, andyour mom and your dad.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So yeah, and my brother.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, cause your brother played
violin.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, he's still he's .
He got into choir right now.
He's all into singing at themoment.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's fantastic, see , it's awesome.
That's fantastic.
See, it's just what happened toyou.
I don't know.
I like to listen to music.
Yeah, I have a greatappreciation for music.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
That's important too.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, like I could Drop things.
I can drop things Like I know Idon't know, like I like going
to concerts and things like that, oh yeah, so so that part, that
part's always good.
Like I there there's always.
I can always relate a piece ofmusic to like, whatever's going
on in my, in my life.
(20:54):
So so there, there's that, andwe love musical theater.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We, we certainly do.
Oh yeah, and while Jocelyn'sbeen here, you all went to see
Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
We did go see Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
That was so fun.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So what did you?
Well, you've watched it beforeon.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Disney+.
But it is different seeing itlive and just hearing it all
around you.
You know it's incredible, isn'tit?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the audience.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Like that was a wild audience.
It was.
They were really into everysong yeah, surprising for a
weekday I know you should havekatherine.
You should have seen it.
It was, I mean, literally likeapplause and screams wow after
every song.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It was I'll just say I uh, I injured my leg, so I
could not join but, fable got totake my place, so it worked out
in the end.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yes, indeed and we could always watch it on.
I mean, like you said, it's notthe same watching on disney
plus, but I mean we could always.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I also have seen it twice, so I really can't
complain yeah, this was and thiswas a really good cast.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I thought I was saying probably my only
criticism and I mentioned thiswas eliza, not that, not that
she couldn't sing, she was.
She had a beautiful voice, butlike I don't feel like she could
like belt out some of thoseparts like in burn, like it was
just like I was.
I was waiting for like somereally more like oomph behind,
(22:18):
behind the voice.
But she had, she had abeautiful voice.
I love how she played thecharacter.
She was a little more I'mtrying to think what's the word
she played it like a little more, I'm going to say over the top.
But she was very like I'mtrying to think of the right
(22:39):
word for it, I can't quite putmy finger on it but she was just
very like.
When she met Alexander Hamiltonfor the first time, she was
just kind of like this sillykind of schoolgirl, kind of like
acting about meeting him andeverything.
It was interesting.
I never picked that up on anyof the other times that I've
(23:02):
seen the musical.
So it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Eliza Hamilton is an interesting character.
I read a lot about her after wesaw the show.
She really was the one who keptAlexander Hamilton's legacy
alive, what she lived foranother 50 years.
Yeah, I mean she was almostdestitute, but she stayed in
that house and she entertainedpeople for her whole life and
(23:28):
she never stopped talking abouthim and the things that he
accomplished.
I mean, she was really hisstrongest proponent.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
The $10 founding father.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean founder of the Bank of New York, where my
father worked for years andyears.
Very true, and we live merefeet from where Aaron Burr and
theodosia got married.
So yes, the hermitage hamiltonuh in hocus, new jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah yes indeed a lot of hamilton connections yes,
and we hawk, and obviously wellyeah everything's legal in
jersey, yeah where we take theferry from so, so, jocelyn, so
how?
So let me ask this question.
So so, talk to me about your,your audience on spotify,
(24:14):
because that's that's like.
Is that your primary outlet for, for publishing your, your
music?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
yeah, spotify and youtube the most Nice.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So how do you get on one of their curated playlists?
How does that happen?
That, I think, is just theabsolute coolest, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So when you tell them that you're going to release an
album or EP or anything, youhave the option to write a
petition to them saying this ismy song, this is how I wrote it,
this is why you should chooseit.
This is the type of playlistthat I think it would work well
on who you could promote it to,and then there's a small chance
that they could pick it wow soit's exciting, it happened twice
(24:58):
I was gonna say yeah, because Iwas gonna say this was, this
was the second time.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's, that's so exciting and what's the playlist
that it's on?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
The first one was Renaissance Fair and the second
one was Celtic Fantasyland.
I think Interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That is so cool.
Now, what is your music under?
So if people are looking foryour music, how do they find you
on Spotify or YouTube?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's under the name June Westfield.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
And how did you come up with June Westfield?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Because my real name was harder for people to look up
and I don't have to spell thisone out.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yes, that's fantastic .
So, yes, june Westfield, yes,how many albums do you have on
there now?
I think I might be wrongbecause I've changed it recently
, but I think there's threeAwesome that's fantastic and
you're on two playlists, whichis super cool Renaissance Fair,
which we are big RenaissanceFair fans, so that's that fits
(25:57):
in beautifully.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well, and I love Celtic music, so yes, absolutely
.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's fantastic.
It's so exciting.
Let me think of what I'm tryingto think, of what other
questions I've got.
Do you have any questions, dear?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I don't think I do.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Interesting that I don't have no question.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You have nothing on your mind.
I hear cats upstairs.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
There's always cats somewhere.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
They were doing that while you were gone too.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Here are the little footsteps running back and forth
.
They just chase each other backand forth upstairs.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They're great here's a question yes.
So I know you've got anothervideo game in the works.
What's next?
What are you hoping to do next?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
More of the same Awesome.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I think this one is a long haul right now.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm up to doing sound effects for this one as well.
I completed the music part ofit.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh cool.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And this is a bit of a larger scale game than the
last one I did.
So it will definitely be for awhile now and then we'll see,
after that, hopefully more.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's really cool.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So the last one.
What was the?
Tell us the name of theprevious game.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Wizard Cats Tank Battle.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Wizard Cats Tank Battle.
Now, that was a Kickstarter,yeah, and they weren't able to
fund it that way so what arethey doing with it?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
now?
It's still happening.
It's just at a slightly slowerpace, sure, but hopefully
sometime this year awesome yeahoh, very cool, yeah, and this
other game so we mystery gamemystery the mystery game that's.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's very exciting, though.
So how did they find you or howdid you find them?
How did that work?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
The dev from Wizard Cat's Tank Battle Brett.
He said hey, my friend isworking on this game, can I send
him your resume and your audioreel?
And so we went from there and Ihad a zoom meeting with them.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oh cool, Excellent, oh very exciting.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah.
This is like it's nice whenpeople like your stuff enough to
start referring you to otherpeople.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, it was really nice yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh, that's fantastic, Wonderful, well, well, thank
you so much for joining us today.
This has been a nice surprise.
Yeah, absolutely so you won thetickets on an Instagram contest
.
Yes, awesome, so you won thetickets to the Dark Force Fest.
(28:31):
I said that correct, right?
Yes, Dark Force Fest.
Yes and yeah, can I mentionyour name, maddie?
Hi, maddie.
Maddie is in the studio as well, but sitting there silently.
We're so glad to have you bothhere, and I'm trying to think of
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is there anything else?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, I think we should let Jocelyn plug her
stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh, yes, please plug away.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Oh, I mean, I sort of have.
Yeah, exactly.
Again, my website isjunewestfieldcom and on all
streaming services and YouTubeit's June Westfield to find my
music.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Awesome, and we will put the links in the show notes,
of course, so everybody canfind that.
Thank you, thank you again.
This has been fantastic.
It's so nice to see you inperson.
Yeah, thanks for having us Ofcourse, thank you, and we will
get back to the podcast, becauseCatherine and I are going to
add some A little news roundup,a little news roundup after this
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.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
So stay tuned and All right, the look on his face
every time he hits that button.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
he's so pleased well, well, there's also my other,
the other button that I haven'thit yet.
Yeah, leroy jenkins.
So that's, that's my otherleroy.
And then there was always thefirst one.
That's always the entrancemusic into the podcast, which I
(30:07):
love because I feel like you'rewalking.
I don't know, I envisionwalking into the forest with
that music.
It's like you're entering thismagical land, so I absolutely
love it.
But again, josh, thank you somuch.
Appreciate it.
Catherine, thank you for beinghere.
Maddie, thank you for beinghere as well.
Have a great day, everybody,and we're recording.
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Welcome back from our shortbreak of whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That was Much longer break than it appears to be
short for you.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Many hours for us yes , but we are back to talk about
some fun dnd related news.
So we're going to we've pulledup a couple articles that we're
going to discuss and trying tofigure out where we're going to
start first.
There we go.
So one thing that I am superexcited about and I think
(31:08):
Catherine is too yes, yes, wasthat a yes question?
Like yes, what am I about totalk about?
No or yes, you are excited.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, I am excited.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yes, you are excited, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I know what you I about to talk about.
No or yes?
You are excited?
Yes, I am excited, yes you areexcited, fantastic.
I know what you're about totalk about because you know, we
planned it, we pre-planned.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
No, we just planned.
Okay, that wasn't pre-planning.
No, I hate the termpre-planning, I know so.
That's why I was saying itmockingly, I know.
So the first thing we want totalk about is coming to new york
city new york city is what'sknown as the 20-sided tavern, an
interactive stage experience ofdungeons and dragons play.
(31:55):
this is this is really such agreat way to celebrate the 50th
anniversary this year of of Dand D.
Super exciting, um, kind ofreally an an immersive theater
event, which is which is reallycool, and it's we were.
(32:17):
We were reading an article.
Nerdist has a whole articleabout them building the set.
The set is super cool, you know, like again you, you get the
feeling like you're in thistavern.
They've got this huge videowall on the back that's going to
display all sorts of stuffBackgrounds, I think they talk
about.
Let's see.
Backgrounds, I think they talkabout, let's see.
(32:42):
There are 34 backgrounds, fiveadditional variations, 21
background specific additionaleffects that overlay on top of
them, 28 combat effects, over 40custom character illustrations,
40 item cards and well over 300individual pieces of content
that you might see on any givennight.
I think this is one of thecoolest things that really
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you're never going to see thesame show twice because there
are a lot of dice rolls thattake place.
So again, it really randomizesthe, the adventure for those who
are, who are watching and theyuse um, a browser-based software
(33:24):
called gamiotics or gamiotics,something to that effect I would
guess gamiotics gamiotics, um,that you can, as an audience,
tell the performers what to do,where to go and what kind of
dangers they're going to face.
So it's a very interactive event.
So I think it's a lot of fun.
(33:45):
It's something I think we'regoing to take our adventuring
party to and experience, sincewe're right across the river in
New Jersey.
I think that one's reallyexciting.
What do you think about this,dear I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Um I, I love an interactive show.
Uh I, I think my earliestexperience with that was right
after college when, um, myfriend Michelle and I went to
see Tony and Tina's wedding.
Oh yes, that one was super funbecause you literally, like,
moved locations right Right wassuper fun because you literally,
(34:20):
like, moved locations right,right, right, saw the wedding
happen and then you literallyall just walked down the street
to a banquet hall where you gotto sit at tables with the
characters.
I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It was very stupid and fun probably some of my
earliest experiences goesearlier than that.
I mean, it's not reallynecessarily interactive but
immersive, and that would be myfavorite medieval times.
Oh my God, yeah, I hadn't eventhought about that Right, I mean
because you're cheering eachsection of the restaurant,
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theater, whatever you want tocall it.
You've got your own knight thatyou're rooting for who's
competing in all thesechallenges.
So it you know, you've got yourown knight that you're rooting
for who's competing in all thesechallenges.
So it's again another reallyimmersive experience.
And we've got some weirdly, Idon't know if it's just a New
Jersey thing, but we've got allthese little I don't know, I
(35:14):
don't know what to call themamusement parks.
We've got the Land of MakeBelieve, fairytale Forest,
fairytale Forest Another one ofmy favorites Wild West City.
Oh my gosh, wild West City wasso much fun.
Do you remember the trainrobbery?
Yeah, yeah, oh, my God, I amall for the immersive kind of
(35:34):
thing and that's why I think Ilove the Ren Faire so much.
I love going up to the RenFaire and just getting kind of.
Again, I keep saying the wordimmersed, immersed in that kind
of era of time, and it's just somuch fun.
Immersed in immersion yeah, I'mimmersing myself in immersion,
(35:55):
yes, but it's just so much funand I think that's what's cool
about this is that this is a wayto to really get deep into dnd,
where you don't have to playyour, but you're still involved
in the, in the, the action thatis.
That is happening, so that'sreally cool.
I'm really, I'm really excitedfor that.
It literally just startedpreviews yesterday, so it's just
(36:20):
kicked off in New York City.
So if you're in the area oryou're going to make a trip to
this area, that would be aperfect thing to check out.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Absolutely.
I am hoping my injured leg willheal very quickly so that we
can get back in.
Yes, your poor injured leg.
Catherine's week started with astrained muscle in my leg that
has me hobbling around on acrutch.
And ended today with ascratched cornea from our friend
(36:54):
Jordy upstairs, who decided hewanted to smack me in the eye.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Oh, jordy, yeah, he just gets a little
overenthusiastic.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It wasn't enthusiasm.
He wanted to get down.
I said no.
I picked him up to move him andhe decided one way down was to
smack me in the eye.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Well, okay, then he's just an angry little elf.
He is an angry little elf, oh,poor guy.
I mean, I I understand how muchit hurt, believe me, but I
don't.
I don't think he intendedanything by it he intended
murder.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I could see murder in his heart when he did it murder
in his heart.
Murder in his furry littleheart.
Jordy murder, murder in hisheart.
Poor Jordy.
Right before you came upstairsafter he hit me, he pulled out a
little knife.
He put it away.
When you got upstairs, was hegoing to shiv you?
He was Wow, actually.
I believe he shanks right.
(37:50):
You shank with a shiv, youshank with a shiv.
Is that what it is?
I think so.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I have to look up the proper grammar on that I
haven't been to prison in awhile so I'm not 100% sure.
Thank God, because those aredementors.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
The worst thing about prison was dementors.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, seriously.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know what we ate Gruel Gruel sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Gruel, all gruel, all the time, but anyway.
So what do you like about?
Because this is again.
This is kind of really yourfirst D&D adventure.
So what are you looking forwardto?
At the 20-sided tavern, someoneelse looking foolish?
Someone else looking foolish?
(38:32):
Yeah, do you think you lookfoolish?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't know do you.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I don't think that's foolish, I think that's fun.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I think it's silly.
Well, okay, maybe I enjoy doingit, exactly you enjoy doing it,
but that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I don't know, it's just a matter of enjoying what
you do I guess so.
Yeah, all right.
So yes, 20-sided tavern it is.
I want to see where the I'mgoing to look it up for you
while we're while we're here.
It is at stage 42.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
422, west 42nd good to know I I had a feeling it was
going to be on 42nd street whenit was called stage 42.
Right, would be very funny ifit was stage 42 and it was on
like 85th street, brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Staten Island Staten Island.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Stage 42 here in beautiful Staten Island.
You could take a free ferryride to get here, that's right,
so definitely check it out.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
It looks like they have a discord server.
Oh boy, hello.
Apparently the 20 sided tavernhas a discord server as well.
That's fantastic.
There's only 1132 members atthe moment.
That's fantastic.
I'm gonna have to check thatout.
Excellent, cool, cool, cool allright all right on to our next
(39:55):
fantastic.
What else are we going to talkabout now?
We've talked about severalcrowdfunded campaigns for
different things.
We talked about the.
What was it called?
Gummy Quest?
Gummy Quest I knew it was Gummysomething.
(40:16):
Gummy Quest.
We've talked about that one.
I'm a big fan of Dice Dungeons,who is a dice vendor.
They just started a Kickstartercampaign for microfiber battle
mats, which is really cool,which we could talk about that
as well later.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
But those are super cool.
They just, they just started.
They got funded like withinthis, within the first day, uh,
for for that project.
But dice dungeons has made someof my favorite sets of dice my
copper dice, my cubic zirconiadice, the sea glass dice, which
I think are just absolutelybeautiful.
Um, they've, they've done somereally nice sets.
(40:57):
They just most recently wrappedup the one for the speakeasy
dice is what they're callingthem.
So a bunch of different sets ofdice themed on different
cocktails.
So that is one that is.
I think those are coming outsometime this fall.
(41:17):
They're shipping those.
But this is their newest oneare, yeah, the microfiber battle
maps.
So we can talk about that aswell, maybe right after this.
But this one is an article fromPolygon.
It says one author thinks yourD&D party should get out more
and socialize in character,thinks your D&D party should get
(41:41):
out more and socialize incharacter.
And they have created a bookcalled you Don't Meet in a
Tavern, which is a great sourceof beginning ideas for how
parties kind of get together andit sounds absolutely
fascinating.
There's like well over, I wantto say it's close to 100, I
(42:02):
think, different scenarios thatyou can play with, because she
was talking about getting up tolike 50 prompts and realizing
that she's got to make a bookout of this, but it's called you
Don't Meet in a Tavern.
One of the ones that soundedreally cool to me that they
mentioned in the article isbasically you're on a long
(42:22):
sailing voyage and the the shipruns aground and crashes and you
the party basically ends up onthe on the sandy beach the rocky
, rocky, sandy beach of someplace, and they've got to kind
of pick up their belongings andkind of assemble and that's one
(42:44):
way to join the party.
The other one is the.
Oh, where is it in here?
I'm trying to look for it inthe article.
It's like a paint and sip event.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, they called it sculpt and sip, Sculpt and sip.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Thank you they called it sculpt and sip, Sculpt and
sip.
Thank you.
Which is the?
Was it a gnome?
Is that who was running thesculpt and sip?
I don't remember.
Let's take a look.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yes, a gnome-led sculpt and sip.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
A gnome-led sculpt and sip.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
The one I liked was when they talked about, yes,
lead, sculpt and sip.
The one I liked was when theytalked about, um, yes, she says
what if you started because athief robbed everyone and you're
all chasing him togetherthrough a marketplace like it?
Makes the bonding piece of itseem much more realistic, much
more natural than like oh hey,we're all in a tavern.
We're all in a tavern.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
We're all in a tavern and here we are again.
Well, because I was thinkingabout this for the group of
because I'm looking at the keysfrom the Golden Vault and I was
trying to think of how toassemble that group and one of
the things, because they're allkind of heists, because they're
(43:55):
all kind of they're heists, so Iwas thinking of maybe they're
all independent operators on thefirst heist after the same item
and they realize that it'sbetter to team up.
They have a better chance ofbeing successful if they team up
.
Team up.
(44:16):
A team up.
Yes, I know you love they teamup.
Team up, A team up.
Yes, I know you love a team up.
So it would be better if theyteamed up and tried to take the
item that they were looking forinstead of trying to do it all
solo.
So that was one of the thoughtsthat I had, but I think they
were going to go in a differentroute.
I think they were going to goin a different route, but I am
(44:38):
just I'm a big fan of all sortsof D&D creators like this.
It is on what is the game found?
I think I think there's onlylike as of today.
I think there's only two daysleft to fund it.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
There are.
It's fully funded.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
It is 125% funded as of right now, but you can still.
You can still become a backerof the the campaign.
I guess when this goes live onMonday, Monday might be the last
day of it.
There's two days left, or theyinclude today.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Maybe you can still fund it.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
If not, you'll probably look for it after it's
published Probably look for itafter it's published.
They said October of 2024, thedigital versions will be
released so you can get it indigital format.
There is the main book and thenthey've got like a series of
special guests that are makinglike a supplemental to the
(45:42):
supplemental called GuestScenarios and Art, so there's a
secondary book to it.
It was like $15 to back it toget the digital versions.
The print versions are comingout.
I think they said February of2025.
Okay, If I recall correctly, sonot that much further after,
(46:08):
but it's just going to take themsome time to actually print the
material.
So digital versions fall thisyear.
So I'm really excited I decidedto back it.
Fall of this year.
So I'm really excited I decidedto back it.
I'm always looking for new ideasfor ways to kind of mix things
up other than the standard youmeet in a tavern.
So I thought this was a greatresource and I'm always up for
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supporting independent creatorsof content.
They really make the D know theD and D community what it is.
So so thank you to to anyoneout there who has created
content for for D and D, becauseit's it's just awesome.
I love we've interviewed somereally great people on the
(46:50):
podcast before um that makecontent.
Um, I'm thinking of h who makes.
Who makes all the npc contenton on patreon.
Yep, that that's a really coolone.
They do some.
They do some amazing stuffthere.
Um, all sorts of people.
Tall tavern is another onereally cool stuff.
(47:12):
Pocket bard you know the, whatwe use for the sound effects,
for for the, the actual playthere.
There's just so many tremendouscreators out there and just
that.
That's just a few of the onesthat I've I've interacted with,
but there's there's a ton outthere.
Now, do you want to talk aboutdice dungeons?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Dungeons.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, okay, let me bring it up.
I want to say Dice Dungeons,battlecloth is what they call it
Battlecloth, battlecloth.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Battlecloth.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
So let's see.
I'm going to try to read thewhere's the description here.
Enhance your adventures withbattle cloth maps.
Our exclusive line of cloth,microfiber battle maps is ideal
for encounters in any rpg.
These high quality, full colorbattle maps make a fantastic
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setting for different scenesduring your game.
They make planning easier forDMs and the experience more
immersive for players.
So the maps themselves areprinted on soft, high quality
fabric so you can.
There's no wrinkling oranything like that, creases or
anything.
Nice, smooth surfaces.
So for all of your minis andterrain and everything like that
(48:32):
fit really nicely on these.
Each one of the battle map areasis 21 and a half by 21 and a
half inches.
It's already got the grid on it, you know, for tracking
movement and things like that.
So it's it's really nicelybuilt.
They've got some.
They've got open fields, caves,oceans, and you can tile those
if you want to.
They've got all sorts ofaquatic ones a beach harbor, an
(48:58):
actual sailing ship, a sunkenship.
Then they've got all the actualland.
So and these all kind of tie intogether.
So there's forest, cliffsidepath, ruined temple, and can.
You can line all these uptogether the roadside camp, twin
bridges, cliffside cave, somany more.
(49:18):
They've got other ones a tavern, a castle floor, that gets
unlocked at 15,000.
And I think, what are they?
What do they add?
At the moment they're alreadyat 18, 18,471.
So they've already, they'vealready broken those stretch
goals.
I think that the next one is,oh, the snow cap summit, which
(49:40):
unlocks at 20 000 did you sayyou already backed this?
I have not backed this one yet,but I am.
I backed other dice.
I backed the um speakeasy dice.
Right, I backed when they didthe Seaglass dice.
I backed that Kickstartercampaign, but I have not backed
this campaign yet.
(50:00):
Pretty reasonably priced, let'stalk about that.
So two Battlecloth maps 23.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
One for 12.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Three for 33.
I want the whole set, though.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
So if you go to the whole set, 18 Battlecloth maps,
yes, $180.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
An estimated delivery is April of 2025.
So spring of 2025.
We're about a year out fromthere, oh, interesting.
Spring of 2025, or about aabout a year out from from there
, oh, interesting.
So two items are included.
There is the the battle clothmaps themselves and a digital
map pack, which is veryinteresting.
(50:49):
So you can, you can, you can goboth ways, um, which would be
pretty cool because I, I likedoing stuff, I like stuff, I
like doing stuff digitally aswell.
I mean, we play here in person,so we have, you know, kind of a
map laid out for for certainareas, but something like this
(51:09):
would be great just to just tohave.
So you can, you can laysomething down and put your
minis on it and everything,build out some terrain.
I need to start getting likesome terrain and other things to
to really flesh out these,these maps.
Yeah, so I thought you weregoing to say something no, no no
, no, no, okay, all right.
(51:31):
But like I, I'm glad they're andthey also, I was trying to
think because I was going to sayI'm glad they're not making
more dice, because I just haveto buy more dice.
But I also like their questdecks.
I'm a big fan of their questdecks from Dice Dungeons.
Those are really cool from DiceDungeons.
(51:53):
Those are really cool.
So if you're looking for sidequests and things to give to
your party, that's a great wayto come up with some things kind
of randomly.
You can use them as job boards.
So if there's a job board intown you can throw up some side
quests that way.
If you want to kind of extendthe game that way, you know,
(52:18):
just depending on what you wantto do.
Sometimes you know, sometimesyou know you can't get the whole
party together.
So maybe we've got a couplepeople.
So instead of doing the mainstoryline and leaving somebody
out, maybe you do a side quest.
You know, one night, when, when, not when the whole party can't
, can't be together.
So there's a lot of greatthings you can do with the side
(52:39):
quest decks as well.
Just make, just makes a DM'sjob that much easier.
But yeah, I'm, I'm reallydigging these battle cloth maps.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, they look awesome.
I've never seen them before.
I don't think we've talkedabout them, have we?
No, we haven't yeah, they'rereally cool looking.
I like the ones that you canactually like put together to
create one larger map yes thoseare fun yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
So, for example, for example, like the stall, there's
stalwart forest, stalwartforest, trying to say that,
stalwart forest, stalwart forest, thank you, thank you.
Stalwart forest, red leather,yellow leather, red leather,
yellow leather, unique new york.
(53:28):
Unique new york.
There's the cliffside path andthe ruined temple.
So those are three individual21 and a half by 21 and a half
maps, but you can actually linethem up side by side for one big
long, I guess about 63, 65 by21 and a half long map, so you
can really span these things out.
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I think that one even bumpsinto the ones below it, which
are roadside camp, twin bridgesand cliffside cave.
So you can, you can reallyextend this thing pretty far,
which is which is really cool.
So so that that's a prettyexciting thing.
I I really dig these, they.
They did a nice job designingthem, whoever.
(54:10):
Whoever designed them at DiceDungeons really great job.
Maybe I will have to back it.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I just love that Dice Dungeons is out of Baltimore,
which you know has a place in myheart Balmore, balmore,
maryland.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yep, yep, indeed, and they've got terrain overlays.
Oh boy, there's so many cool,cool, cool things.
Oh, my goodness, a travel tube,yeah, travel tube for this, of
course they do.
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Oh my god, so exciting.
Yes, oh, there's the team.
So they got dice.
Dungeons.
Is what happens when thecreative force of jarrett came
into contact with john's designand product savvy.
A professionally traineddesigner, jarrett started his
path designing, crafting andselling garb for cosplayers,
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larpers and renfares.
John has a a PhD inbiochemistry and a passion for
analyzing problems and designingelegant solutions that help
others.
There you have it.
So check out Dice Dungeons on.
You can go to dicedungeonscom.
You can go to Kickstarter.
Look up Dice Dungeons.
You can see their latestcampaign.
This one has 25 days to to go,so there's still some time to to
(55:35):
back this one.
If you're looking for kind ofsome, some battle maps and
things like that, really nicequality um, definitely,
definitely check them out whatis what is next on our list of
topics to discuss uh.
Quests from the infinitestaircase west oh, so another,
(55:59):
another book that they areputting out for dungeons and
dragons.
It's another anthology of a lotof older adventures.
So this one is called questsfrom the infinite staircase.
So if you're familiar withthese anthologies, there's
Journey Through the RadiantCitadel, candlekeep Mysteries,
(56:21):
which I think we played a few ofthose when Joe was DMing.
I think he used some of theCandlekeep Mysteries I'm looking
to do Keys to the Golden Vaultwith Fable and their group of
friends.
Oh, neat, so that's the onethat I'm looking to do Keys to
the Golden Vault with Fable andtheir group of friends, oh neat.
So that's the one that I'm usingthere.
So this is a new anthologycoming out later this year, in
(56:41):
2024, quests from the InfiniteStaircase, which was announced
at PAX Unplugged back inDecember.
So they say the book will besimilar to tales from the
yawning portal and that itfeatures six updated versions of
classic dnd adventures frompast editions.
(57:02):
I think they say the book willofficially be released on july
16th, 2024 and is available forpre-order.
You can do the digital or thephysical versions of that.
Now big question what is Questsfrom the Infinite Staircase
(57:26):
about?
So, like I said, it's ananthology.
It's six classic D&D adventuresthey're updated for 5th edition
Designed for characters fromlevels 1 to 13.
Again, you can do themseparately or as part of an
overall campaign.
Some of the ones in here arethere's an adventure called the
(57:48):
Lost City, which was originallypublished in 82 as module B4.
And this adventure is designedfor first to third-level
characters.
Again, this one is focused fornew dungeon masters, with
players exploring the upperfloors of an ancient ziggurat
(58:09):
located in the depths of amysterious desert.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Mysterious.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Mysterious Yep, okay, michael Scott.
Yes.
In the depths of a mysteriousdesert, mysterious, mysterious
yep, okay, michael scott.
Yes, what do you?
What are your opinions on thatdear?
Any on the lost city?
Speaker 2 (58:27):
on the lost city.
It sounds interesting, right?
Yeah, I mean the one that Ithought sounded most interesting
is.
Beyond the Crystal Cave.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Ooh Well, let's talk about it.
What is it about?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Inspired by Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet,
it's designed for sixth levelcharacters and you have to
venture into the forbidden caveof echoes to find two
star-crossed lovers.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Ooh, beyond the Crystal Cave.
That sounds interesting.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Just sounded fun.
There's a couple of modulesthat clearly were intended for
the UK.
That's one of them.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Since that was originally module UK1.
Yes, the other one are theremore than I think.
Just the other one that wasmeant for the UK was when a Star
Falls.
Yes, that's designed for fourthto fifth level characters, and
players must recover a fallenstar before rival factions are
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able to get their hands on it,while also dealing with an
ancient tower and a darkprophecy.
Ooh.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yes, the one that sounds really interesting to me
that I would love to run isExpedition to the Barrier Peaks.
Ooh a Gary Gygax one.
Exactly.
This is an adventure written bythe legendary, the one and only
the wickedly.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Adele Dazeem, the wickedly Adele Dazeem, the
wickedly talented.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Exactly Adele Dazeem.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Gary Gygax.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
This article refers to it as one of the most iconic
old-school D&D adventures of alltime.
Designed for level 11 to 13characters, it combines classic
fantasy elements with someout-of-the-world science fiction
technology.
Oh, what is that?
It also marks the firstappearance appearance of the
(01:00:28):
frogamoth what's a?
Frogamoth i'moth.
I'm clicking on the link tofigure this out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Oh, it's like a froghemoth, like a behemoth,
exactly A froghemoth.
Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I like the picture on D&D Beyond Interesting.
It's a huge monstrosity.
It is an amphibious predator asbig as an elephant.
It's layers and swamps and hasfour tentacles, a thick rubbery
hide what is going on with that?
(01:00:59):
Tongue a fang filled maw with aprehensile tongue yuck yeah I
don't like his feet yes, and anextendable stalk sporting three
bulbous eyes that face indifferent directions.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I mean what?
Could the eyes be non-bulbous,come on.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I think they have to be bulbous.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
He's clearly got a thyroid issue.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Maybe that's his issue.
Maybe he just needs thyroidmedication.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, he goes on thyroid medication.
He's a totally normal guy,right.
Who knows?
He's just a frog.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
That's all he is.
He's just a frog with a thyroidproblem.
Exactly oh poor guy, somisunderstood.
So hang on.
I got to figure out how this isactually pronounced, thanks to
D&D Beyond for pronunciationhere Frog-hemoth, frog-hemoth,
frog-hemoth, behemoth, frog,frog-hemoth.
(01:02:02):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Excellent Love the I love D&D Beyond has the
pronunciation.
D&d Beyond has thepronunciation.
Well, this is why Joe and Iwere constantly battling,
because I called it rightfullyso a tabaxi Right, and Joe
wanted to call it a tabahi andI'm like, no, don't ask me why.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Does Joe have a mysterious Hispanic heritage
that we don't know?
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
about, maybe, perhaps , but but no, it's tabaxi.
So anyway, so that is.
That is some of what is goingon in the the wonderful world of
dnd oh wait, can we talk?
About.
What else do you want to talkabout?
Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
well, in quest from the infinite staircase yes,
there were not done yet no,we're not okay, um because there
was one really cool part that Ihave to find yes about a new
character yes I'm looking I'mwaiting okay, here we go.
(01:03:19):
Yes, question.
The infinite staircase alsointroduces a new powerful cosmic
character, the noble genienathas, who hears wishes made
throughout the multiverse andrecruits heroes to fulfill them.
Uh, he's featured on theconcept art Wizards of the Coast
unveiled at PAX Unplugged.
This new character has neverappeared before in the D&D canon
(01:03:41):
and will provide the thematiclink between the book's
adventures.
I just thought that was reallycool.
It has over 30 new monsters andNPCs, all of which will be
given new stat blocks that arefully compatible with 5e.
I mean, it just sounds reallylike there's a lot of old
material, obviously because it'san anthology, but there's also
a bunch of new stuff in there,which I think is really cool.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That is really cool.
Deedee, are you coming to sayhello?
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Hello DeeDee DeeDee, she's such a peanut.
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
DeeDee has joined the podcast.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Here she comes.
She's going to knock over thescreen, she's going to walk
across the laptop.
I don't know what she's goingto do.
Hold on, please.
Are you coming for me, deedee?
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I got you, there we go.
I got you.
Yeah, come sit.
Deedee is our blind cat,daredevil.
She is the cat without fear.
Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
There's my girl.
Okay, yeah, so I mean, that'swhy I thought it was really cool
.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
That is really cool, because I mean I guess there is,
I mean it wouldn't be, I meanthat's a good way to tie
everything together, theseseemingly unrelated adventures.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Right, you've got the genie who can be granting
wishes in between, and they allend up in these different
adventures.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Right, right, right, very cool, she's just rubbing on
my headphones Aw.
Hi, she is very happy to seeyou.
Yeah, excellent.
So that is some of what isgoing on in the in the world of
dnd.
So, 20-sided tavern playing itat um stage, stage 42, thank you
(01:05:25):
.
In new york city I keep wantingto say studio 54, but that's
different that is very different.
Um so, stage 42 in new York city, 20 sided tavern, we've got the
campaign, the, the crowdfunding campaigns for you don't
meet in a tavern which basically, by the time this podcast goes
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live, will be will be completed.
It's already funded, but theirfundraising window is closing
very shortly.
But you can still get behindDice Dungeons and their
Battlecloth maps if you'relooking for some really nice
high-quality maps.
(01:06:07):
That one is coming out.
And what else dear?
Well, the new book that'scoming out, quests from the
Infinite Staircase.
That's going to be veryexciting, all right.
Well, thank you again everybodyfor joining us today on today's
adventure.
We had our special guest, ourniece Jocelyn, our musical
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composer for all the music ofLegends, loot and Lore, so that
was wonderful.
Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
AKA June Westfield.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
AKA June Westfield.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
On YouTube, spotify and all the socials.
Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yes, absolutely.
And what else?
We had just some lovely newsfor D&D.
Some great things going on outthere.
So again, thank you, thank youall for listening.
Some great things going on outthere.
So again, thank you, thank youall for listening.
Remember, please, you can helpsupport this, this fun podcast
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Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I think you mean X.
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Don't buy a cyber truck, oh my goodness it's stuck
in floor.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Oh my God, it's like the gas pedal gets stuck.
Yeah, and did you see thefingers?
Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
The fingers getting crushed.
Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah, oh, my God, yeah, I watched the guy put all
sorts of vegetables in it andthey just kept getting hacked.
Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Oh yeah, yikes.
Yeah, it was a cyber truck isfrightening, but anyway again,
thank you once again everybody.
We look forward to talking toyou next week.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Have a great day Bye.
welcome back everybody to another fantastic
episode of legends, loot andlore, the, the best dnd podcast
this side of the hackensackriver.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, I don't know at least make it the hudson people
actually know what that is.
Yeah, what's funny.
I don't know the saddle river.
No, I don't know.
Uh, at least make it the hudson, the hudson people actually
know what that is.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, what's funny?
I don't know, the saddle rivermaybe, I don't know, like what,
what we'd be there's a saddleriver.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Is that why the town is named saddle river?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
yeah, yeah, there is the saddle river.
As a matter of fact, who?
Knew, learn something new everyday that's your geography
lesson for your body of water.
I don't know.
Whatever this.
Hopefully that's a Jeopardyquestion anyway, wow, it comes
(01:00):
up in trivia.
Anita and I are ready that'sright, absolutely now you know.
So, anyway, joining us in instudio.
That's the air quotes of thestudio, aka the dining room, aka
the dining room, aka our dndplayroom studio, whatever you,
whatever you want to call it.
(01:20):
We have a very special guestjoining us today jocelyn hi,
jocelyn, hello, how are you good?
So you none of you probablyknow who jocelyn is, but you
have definitely heard of jocelyn, because all of the music
composed for the legends, lootand Lore podcast was done by
(01:44):
Jocelyn, our niece, by the way.
Yeah, the incredibly talentedartist, musician.
What else?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I think that's it.
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Artist artist and musician Fantastic, all-around
cool person.
Yes, absolutely so.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, this is very exciting.
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So tell us so what actually brings you to the fine
state of new jersey I'm here togo to a music festival yeah they
actually have a dnd panel atthe festival.
Oh, see what I would have see.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We would have enjoyed that we would have stood out
like sore thumbs I know right,it is today.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
if you still want to go, oh, excellent.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Fantastic, find everything you own that's black.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I have to work on that.
Yeah, I have to work on that,but anyway, so we're so happy to
have you here, so tell us alittle bit about your background
, your education and some of thethings that you've've worked on
beyond just the the fantasticmusic for our podcast so I've
(02:58):
studied video game and moviecomposition at berkeley in
boston awesome and moviecomposition at Berkeley in
Boston Awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And since then I've worked on a game called Wizard
Cats, doing sound effects forthat, which is super fun.
It is partially D&D inspired inthe classes in the game and so
I'm doing a lot of spell soundeffects in that, which is really
cool to do.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And right now I can't tell you the name of the game
that I'm working on because it'snot out yet, but I'm doing
music for this one oh awesome,oh very exciting, yeah, so so
how does one because I this is,I'm just fascinated by this so
how does one create a, a spellcasting sound effect like what,
how, what, what does thatactually entail?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
well, thinking about what element the spell will be
and what it will be looking likein game, whether it will have
particles or if it's a cone orray shape and then usually the
sounds will have three levels toit, like the high frequencies,
middle frequencies and lowfrequencies and think about how
you would make each one.
(04:02):
There'll be a low boom and thenthe body of the spell and then
maybe some little sparks orparticles on top.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Fascinating.
This is things you never thinkabout, things you never think
about when you play games, andwhen you play video games and
things like that, you neverthink about how much actually
goes into creating each one ofthose effects.
That's fascinating, so whatinspired you to study this and
(04:28):
get into it?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I just have always loved video game soundtracks.
One of my first memories ofplaying video games was the
Trine game series, and that wasthe first album that I bought
the soundtrack for that game,because I loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh, very cool, Awesome, wow, so.
So I'm trying to think aboutwhat, where I want to go with
this.
Do you have any questions, dear?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Okay, I do.
Actually, that was a very blanklook and then all of a sudden,
I realized I do have a question.
I'm curious about how you wentfrom.
You've always been superartistic.
We still have a picture ofLando on our refrigerator that
you did years and years ago.
How did you go from that towanting to do music composition?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Well, my mom has taught me piano since I was
young and, like dad, does soundmixing, that type of thing.
So there's a lot of music inour house and so I took a lot of
piano lessons.
And then one of the lastout-of-our-house teachers that I
had mentioned that he went toBerkeley and that they had a
(05:41):
course for video gamecomposition.
So that got me interested and Ihad always for a while been
doing writing out the scoresfrom video game soundtracks,
just like piano versions of themfor myself to play.
And from there it went fromtranscribing scores to trying to
write my own.
And then I'm like, oh, this isa lot of fun.
(06:02):
I like this, that's awesome,that's really cool.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
so where do you, where do you source like, how do
you so, how do you come up withlike the sound effect?
So I know, so there's, like yousaid, high, mid, low, but like,
where do you source, like, like, how do you like create that,
that sound?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
well, you can't think of it literally unless you have
like a magic wand, but um.
So for like thinking, there's alot of whoosh sound effects
that you use.
So for that, for example, I'lllike swing around a sock or a
ruler so it makes that noise,and for like the low if you
think of the earth spell withthe rumbling rocks and earth
(06:44):
moving we'll fill up a box witheither like walnuts or acorns or
small rocks from outside andlike move that around to record
that sound.
That's super cool.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I love how like actually physical it still is
Right, you know like as hightech as everything is like
you're still literally likefilling a box with stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
The latest thing I just did.
I had to record footsteps inthe woodland environment, so I
went outside and I had a shoveland I filled up a cardboard box
with dirt and leaves and then Iwas marching around like in my
office, walking through the box.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It looked really funny, that's amazing, that's
great box, it looked reallyfunny.
That's amazing, that's great itreminds me a lot of like, like
foley artists.
Yeah, definitely doing doingall that work, because that
that's been that's alwaysprobably my most like.
The thing that I'm mostinterested when it comes to
movies are the foley artists andand creating all that effect.
So it's interesting to see thatit's.
It's very, very similar increating sound effects for video
(07:45):
games and things like that.
That is super cool.
So this is a D&D podcast.
So what has been yourexperience either playing D&D or
similar games, Because I knowyou and your family play a
million different games.
(08:05):
So what are some of yourfavorite?
So let's see.
How have you played D&D firstof all.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I have played just a few sessions, so I am a beginner
.
I'm the target audience for thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Perfect, yes, me too.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So what is your character or characters, what
have they been usually?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, the first time, I think, I was a cleric.
And then I really want to do abard character, because you know
music.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yes, of course.
Well, that makes perfect senseIf I play again.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I will do that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Clerics are always fascinating.
Like, what about?
Like a druid?
Like I could see you as a druidlike type character.
So they're.
It's just like clerics arefantastic as as healers and
things like that um, very, veryin touch with nature and and
things.
So so I could, I could totallysee that yeah what's your so
(08:59):
what type of adventure did youplay?
Was it?
Was it a standard dnd adventure?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
was like a homebrew it was one of the standard ones
from the books.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah, oh cool.
Do you remember which one itwas?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I don't anymore uh okay, it's been a while, yeah,
yeah nice, we've been playing alot of um mage night, and then I
recently got into frosthaven,which is also like super
involved really yeah, cool arethese?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
are these mainly like card games or what?
What are the?
What are the games like?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Um, Frosthaven is more role play based.
It is a tabletop and with lotsof little pieces that I spent
like all Christmas day punchingout and organizing and bags and
all that type of.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
But it does have um a storyline that it's meant to
span for, I think I heardsomeone say that they've played
it for a year.
Wow, so it is very long and youcan it's kind of choose your
own adventure, so you can shapeyour story as you go along it is
based on.
It's like a second version ofgloomhaven, if you've heard of
that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
so, yeah, okay, oh, very cool, yeah, excellent, yeah
, I mean, there's it was.
It was so interesting when,when we went, when katherine and
I went, pax Unplugged and sawthere was just so many tabletop
games and card games and justall sorts of different things,
like Varia I'm thinking aboutthat one that we picked up,
(10:19):
which I still need to play James, if you're listening which he's
probably not which he will bein about three weeks, after we
shame him into listening exactly.
He bought it as well.
So we need to, we need to play,and that's a card game with
again similar like classes, likelike dnd and things like that.
So we've got to play that one.
And then the pirate game.
(10:40):
Oh yeah, I've got, I gotta, Igotta break that one out.
It's tough because we don'thave that many people to play
with.
So, like you've got kind oflike a built-in like game table
game of four or so.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And there is a board game cafe near my house too.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
We went there in February, I think it was.
They did a demonstration ofWormspan, which is like Wingspan
, but it's dragon themed instead, and that was so, oh, very cool
yeah yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The one thing that I find interesting around here is
there's a group they starteddown in the philadelphia area
and it's called dungeons anddrafts and what they do is they?
they play at local, uh, likemicro breweries and they they
come in like like dms come inand they have like kind of their
pre-made, like a lot of itshomebrew games and and they come
(11:33):
in and people come into the umthe breweries and play, play
that which is a lot of fun,which I think is really cool.
Try to get them into gear.
Block, I know well.
Well, they're just moving intonorthern New Jersey.
They've been in the Phillysouth central kind of area of
New Jersey but they were juststarting to expand up into
(11:53):
northern New Jersey.
So, yeah, it would be great tohave them up local in Waldwick.
Absolutely, that would be a lotof fun, because I know they
were now we're getting off on atangent, but they had advertised
that they were looking for dmsup in northern New Jersey.
I actually sent it to Jamesbecause I thought that might be
something he would be interestedin yeah but yeah, so so let's
(12:17):
talk about since, since it isour podcast, let's talk about
our podcast and let's talk aboutthe music specific to that you
created for for our podcast.
So we have our, our intro music.
So so talk a little bit aboutwhat was your, what was your
inspiration for for creating themusic for this podcast.
I know I gave you some generalideas, but kind of what was,
(12:40):
what was your thought processgoing into it and creating the
music for this show?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, so I remember you said that you liked the
piece that I did called Tales ofAdventure, and that one's
slightly more pirate themed but,I, took the general idea from
it.
It's kind of folky, folkinstruments in there.
And then for the podcast Iwanted to have it be a little
more, um, high energy, becauseit's it's shorter, it needs to
(13:06):
say more quicker yes so I wentwith a more video game feel to
that more orchestral in thereyes, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
So I want to see if we've got wait, love it, we got.
We got all these like thelittle, the little inter
interstitial pieces for inbetween, yeah, segments of the
podcast, and there's also I digthis one.
Oh, yeah, love it that one's alittle bit longer, so that one
(13:45):
that one's always a good one.
That's like.
That's usually the one that Iuse when we, when we start from
our intro and go into like the,the heart of the, the episode,
and things like that.
And we've got the outro as wellthat I always use.
And then you did the voiceoveryes for the, for the intro with
the intro music Catherine yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, For a long time I was just the voice of this
podcast and then, Joe had to getmarried.
He was not married yet.
He got engaged, I know, but hehad to get married.
So he has to spend timeplanning a wedding.
That's right and that's how Icame to.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
He's dead to me.
Kidding Joe Love you.
Noding Joe Love you, no, butyeah, so now you've become the
new co-host of.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I'm the new Joe .
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, joe 2.0?
.
Yes, interesting, betterlooking.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Oh, my goodness.
So let's talk about this,jocelyn.
What about your, your musicthat you, you create?
So, beyond all the all the thework that you're doing on the
video games, talk about, talkabout your music, because I, I
love listening to your music andyou, you've been on curated
spotify playlists, so so, so,tell us, tell us about your
(15:06):
music.
And you've been on curatedSpotify playlists, so tell us
about your music and all that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, thank you.
So I most recently released analbum I think it was in February
of the music I had worked onall of last year.
I do like to write my own, justideas that I have, fantasy
scenes.
It'll usually start with a ideafor a scene because, you know,
(15:30):
I like to do art, like visualart as well so I'll have that in
my mind while I'm writing andthen try to fit both together
and see where it goesinteresting.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So what's so?
What are some of yourinspirations?
For?
I mean beyond the art itself.
So where do you drawinspiration from?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
A lot from nature because there's the woods behind
our house, so that always makesme feel like I'm in a fantasy
story.
And then books that I read too,and other games, definitely
Nice yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So what are you reading lately?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
anything good I recently reread the whole um
dragon slipper series.
It's a um middle grade fantasy,but I just it's very nostalgic
for me because that was one thatI really loved and I found it
again.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, oh, very cool.
What about you, dear?
What about?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
me what you reading A book called how to Kill Men and
Get Away With it.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, this is not a true crime podcast.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's not a true crime book, either it's just a novel.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That'd be good.
If you're like a murder hobo ina D&D campaign, maybe you're a
rogue sneaking around trying toto kill.
Kill men who have wronged youmaybe.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well then I you know.
Then it goes to, to my buffy,the vampire slayer love, and I
become a vengeance demon, likeon yonka yeah, oh my, so tell me
about this.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So the vengeance demon yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
That's what anya's whole story arc was.
She came in as a vengeancedemon.
Um Cordelia made a wish andAnya was the one who fulfilled
it, but then I forget exactlyhow.
She ended up being kind of likebanished to be a teenage girl,
but she eventually becomes aScooby gang member.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Right, interesting, all right.
So so how much, jocelyn, haveyou studied the, the bard class?
What do you, what do you knowabout the bard class like other
than it being a musician?
Like what?
They're kind of chaotic okaycool, I don't know totally, yeah
, so they have a lot ofpersonality.
(17:43):
They really do Like I'm, I I diga bard, like it's so funny,
like I like cause they've gotlike vicious mockery and some
really good kind of good spellsin there, that that that they
can cast, and like they're,they're high on charisma, and I
just like I remember I did.
(18:05):
Well, we remember I did whatwas that?
We did that one shot and I didSir Edward Van Halen yes, the
Bard, it was just quoting musiclyrics.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, it was just I was like why not?
And then what was the?
Oh, we were playing.
I was DMing Strixhaven for alittle while and we had a battle
of the bands.
Oh, that's right.
I think Michael's character wasthe bard, if I recall correctly
(18:41):
, and he led the band in the thebattle of the bands.
That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Has Joe ever played a bard?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I don't, I don't believe Joe has played a bard.
He's always singing, he'salways quoting music lyrics and
I think he's always talkingabout creating a bard, but has
never actually played.
Played the bard Now.
Did you, jocelynelyn?
Did you watch the dnd movie?
oh yeah okay, so so obviouslychris pine's character, a
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fantastic bard character like I,I think he's got the, he's got
kind of the good swagger for forlike playing a charismatic bard
, like I don't think I can.
I couldn't pull off being abard in regular life.
So I'm just not that, I don'tknow, I'm not musically inclined
(19:34):
.
My mother used to bribe me topractice.
She used to have to pay me topractice the piano.
It got that bad, like I just didnot want to do it and so she
would actually pay me money toto sit down and practice.
So she was.
She was not only paying for thepiano lessons, but then having
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to pay me to also practice forthe piano lessons.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean, I haven't thought about it, but I
guess your musical for likemultiple generations, right
Cause your grandmother is, andyour mom and your dad.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So yeah, and my brother.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, cause your brother played
violin.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, he's still he's .
He got into choir right now.
He's all into singing at themoment.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That's fantastic, see , it's awesome.
That's fantastic.
See, it's just what happened toyou.
I don't know.
I like to listen to music.
Yeah, I have a greatappreciation for music.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
That's important too.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, like I could Drop things.
I can drop things Like I know Idon't know, like I like going
to concerts and things like that, oh yeah, so so that part, that
part's always good.
Like I there there's always.
I can always relate a piece ofmusic to like, whatever's going
on in my, in my life.
(20:54):
So so there, there's that, andwe love musical theater.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We, we certainly do.
Oh yeah, and while Jocelyn'sbeen here, you all went to see
Hamilton.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
We did go see Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
That was so fun.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So what did you?
Well, you've watched it beforeon.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Disney+.
But it is different seeing itlive and just hearing it all
around you.
You know it's incredible, isn'tit?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the audience.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Like that was a wild audience.
It was.
They were really into everysong yeah, surprising for a
weekday I know you should havekatherine.
You should have seen it.
It was, I mean, literally likeapplause and screams wow after
every song.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
It was I'll just say I uh, I injured my leg, so I
could not join but, fable got totake my place, so it worked out
in the end.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yes, indeed and we could always watch it on.
I mean, like you said, it's notthe same watching on disney
plus, but I mean we could always.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I also have seen it twice, so I really can't
complain yeah, this was and thiswas a really good cast.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I thought I was saying probably my only
criticism and I mentioned thiswas eliza, not that, not that
she couldn't sing, she was.
She had a beautiful voice, butlike I don't feel like she could
like belt out some of thoseparts like in burn, like it was
just like I was.
I was waiting for like somereally more like oomph behind,
(22:18):
behind the voice.
But she had, she had abeautiful voice.
I love how she played thecharacter.
She was a little more I'mtrying to think what's the word
she played it like a little more, I'm going to say over the top.
But she was very like I'mtrying to think of the right
(22:39):
word for it, I can't quite putmy finger on it but she was just
very like.
When she met Alexander Hamiltonfor the first time, she was
just kind of like this sillykind of schoolgirl, kind of like
acting about meeting him andeverything.
It was interesting.
I never picked that up on anyof the other times that I've
(23:02):
seen the musical.
So it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Eliza Hamilton is an interesting character.
I read a lot about her after wesaw the show.
She really was the one who keptAlexander Hamilton's legacy
alive, what she lived foranother 50 years.
Yeah, I mean she was almostdestitute, but she stayed in
that house and she entertainedpeople for her whole life and
(23:28):
she never stopped talking abouthim and the things that he
accomplished.
I mean, she was really hisstrongest proponent.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
The $10 founding father.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean founder of the Bank of New York, where my
father worked for years andyears.
Very true, and we live merefeet from where Aaron Burr and
theodosia got married.
So yes, the hermitage hamiltonuh in hocus, new jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah yes indeed a lot of hamilton connections yes,
and we hawk, and obviously wellyeah everything's legal in
jersey, yeah where we take theferry from so, so, jocelyn, so
how?
So let me ask this question.
So so, talk to me about your,your audience on spotify,
(24:14):
because that's that's like.
Is that your primary outlet for, for publishing your, your
music?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
yeah, spotify and youtube the most Nice.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So how do you get on one of their curated playlists?
How does that happen?
That, I think, is just theabsolute coolest, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So when you tell them that you're going to release an
album or EP or anything, youhave the option to write a
petition to them saying this ismy song, this is how I wrote it,
this is why you should chooseit.
This is the type of playlistthat I think it would work well
on who you could promote it to,and then there's a small chance
that they could pick it wow soit's exciting, it happened twice
(24:58):
I was gonna say yeah, because Iwas gonna say this was, this
was the second time.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's, that's so exciting and what's the playlist
that it's on?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
The first one was Renaissance Fair and the second
one was Celtic Fantasyland.
I think Interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
That is so cool.
Now, what is your music under?
So if people are looking foryour music, how do they find you
on Spotify or YouTube?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's under the name June Westfield.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
And how did you come up with June Westfield?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Because my real name was harder for people to look up
and I don't have to spell thisone out.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yes, that's fantastic .
So, yes, june Westfield, yes,how many albums do you have on
there now?
I think I might be wrongbecause I've changed it recently
, but I think there's threeAwesome that's fantastic and
you're on two playlists, whichis super cool Renaissance Fair,
which we are big RenaissanceFair fans, so that's that fits
(25:57):
in beautifully.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well, and I love Celtic music, so yes, absolutely
.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's fantastic.
It's so exciting.
Let me think of what I'm tryingto think, of what other
questions I've got.
Do you have any questions, dear?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I don't think I do.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Interesting that I don't have no question.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You have nothing on your mind.
I hear cats upstairs.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
There's always cats somewhere.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
They were doing that while you were gone too.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Here are the little footsteps running back and forth
.
They just chase each other backand forth upstairs.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
They're great here's a question yes.
So I know you've got anothervideo game in the works.
What's next?
What are you hoping to do next?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
More of the same Awesome.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I think this one is a long haul right now.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm up to doing sound effects for this one as well.
I completed the music part ofit.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Oh cool.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And this is a bit of a larger scale game than the
last one I did.
So it will definitely be for awhile now and then we'll see,
after that, hopefully more.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's really cool.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
So the last one.
What was the?
Tell us the name of theprevious game.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Wizard Cats Tank Battle.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Wizard Cats Tank Battle.
Now, that was a Kickstarter,yeah, and they weren't able to
fund it that way so what arethey doing with it?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
now?
It's still happening.
It's just at a slightly slowerpace, sure, but hopefully
sometime this year awesome yeahoh, very cool, yeah, and this
other game so we mystery gamemystery the mystery game that's.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's very exciting, though.
So how did they find you or howdid you find them?
How did that work?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
The dev from Wizard Cat's Tank Battle Brett.
He said hey, my friend isworking on this game, can I send
him your resume and your audioreel?
And so we went from there and Ihad a zoom meeting with them.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oh cool, Excellent, oh very exciting.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah.
This is like it's nice whenpeople like your stuff enough to
start referring you to otherpeople.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, it was really nice yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh, that's fantastic, Wonderful, well, well, thank
you so much for joining us today.
This has been a nice surprise.
Yeah, absolutely so you won thetickets on an Instagram contest
.
Yes, awesome, so you won thetickets to the Dark Force Fest.
(28:31):
I said that correct, right?
Yes, Dark Force Fest.
Yes and yeah, can I mentionyour name, maddie?
Hi, maddie.
Maddie is in the studio as well, but sitting there silently.
We're so glad to have you bothhere, and I'm trying to think of
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is there anything else?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, I think we should let Jocelyn plug her
stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh, yes, please plug away.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Oh, I mean, I sort of have.
Yeah, exactly.
Again, my website isjunewestfieldcom and on all
streaming services and YouTubeit's June Westfield to find my
music.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Awesome, and we will put the links in the show notes,
of course, so everybody canfind that.
Thank you, thank you again.
This has been fantastic.
It's so nice to see you inperson.
Yeah, thanks for having us Ofcourse, thank you, and we will
get back to the podcast, becauseCatherine and I are going to
add some A little news roundup,a little news roundup after this
(29:30):
.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
So stay tuned and All right, the look on his face
every time he hits that button.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
he's so pleased well, well, there's also my other,
the other button that I haven'thit yet.
Yeah, leroy jenkins.
So that's, that's my otherleroy.
And then there was always thefirst one.
That's always the entrancemusic into the podcast, which I
(30:07):
love because I feel like you'rewalking.
I don't know, I envisionwalking into the forest with
that music.
It's like you're entering thismagical land, so I absolutely
love it.
But again, josh, thank you somuch.
Appreciate it.
Catherine, thank you for beinghere.
Maddie, thank you for beinghere as well.
Have a great day, everybody,and we're recording.
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Welcome back from our shortbreak of whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
That was Much longer break than it appears to be
short for you.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Many hours for us yes , but we are back to talk about
some fun dnd related news.
So we're going to we've pulledup a couple articles that we're
going to discuss and trying tofigure out where we're going to
start first.
There we go.
So one thing that I am superexcited about and I think
(31:08):
Catherine is too yes, yes, wasthat a yes question?
Like yes, what am I about totalk about?
No or yes, you are excited.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, I am excited.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yes, you are excited, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I know what you I about to talk about.
No or yes?
You are excited?
Yes, I am excited, yes you areexcited, fantastic.
I know what you're about totalk about because you know, we
planned it, we pre-planned.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
No, we just planned.
Okay, that wasn't pre-planning.
No, I hate the termpre-planning, I know so.
That's why I was saying itmockingly, I know.
So the first thing we want totalk about is coming to new york
city new york city is what'sknown as the 20-sided tavern, an
interactive stage experience ofdungeons and dragons play.
(31:55):
this is this is really such agreat way to celebrate the 50th
anniversary this year of of Dand D.
Super exciting, um, kind ofreally an an immersive theater
event, which is which is reallycool, and it's we were.
(32:17):
We were reading an article.
Nerdist has a whole articleabout them building the set.
The set is super cool, you know, like again you, you get the
feeling like you're in thistavern.
They've got this huge videowall on the back that's going to
display all sorts of stuffBackgrounds, I think they talk
about.
Let's see.
Backgrounds, I think they talkabout, let's see.
(32:42):
There are 34 backgrounds, fiveadditional variations, 21
background specific additionaleffects that overlay on top of
them, 28 combat effects, over 40custom character illustrations,
40 item cards and well over 300individual pieces of content
that you might see on any givennight.
I think this is one of thecoolest things that really
(33:04):
you're never going to see thesame show twice because there
are a lot of dice rolls thattake place.
So again, it really randomizesthe, the adventure for those who
are, who are watching and theyuse um, a browser-based software
(33:24):
called gamiotics or gamiotics,something to that effect I would
guess gamiotics gamiotics, um,that you can, as an audience,
tell the performers what to do,where to go and what kind of
dangers they're going to face.
So it's a very interactive event.
So I think it's a lot of fun.
(33:45):
It's something I think we'regoing to take our adventuring
party to and experience, sincewe're right across the river in
New Jersey.
I think that one's reallyexciting.
What do you think about this,dear I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Um I, I love an interactive show.
Uh I, I think my earliestexperience with that was right
after college when, um, myfriend Michelle and I went to
see Tony and Tina's wedding.
Oh yes, that one was super funbecause you literally, like,
moved locations right Right wassuper fun because you literally,
(34:20):
like, moved locations right,right, right, saw the wedding
happen and then you literallyall just walked down the street
to a banquet hall where you gotto sit at tables with the
characters.
I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It was very stupid and fun probably some of my
earliest experiences goesearlier than that.
I mean, it's not reallynecessarily interactive but
immersive, and that would be myfavorite medieval times.
Oh my God, yeah, I hadn't eventhought about that Right, I mean
because you're cheering eachsection of the restaurant,
(34:51):
theater, whatever you want tocall it.
You've got your own knight thatyou're rooting for who's
competing in all thesechallenges.
So it you know, you've got yourown knight that you're rooting
for who's competing in all thesechallenges.
So it's again another reallyimmersive experience.
And we've got some weirdly, Idon't know if it's just a New
Jersey thing, but we've got allthese little I don't know, I
(35:14):
don't know what to call themamusement parks.
We've got the Land of MakeBelieve, fairytale Forest,
fairytale Forest Another one ofmy favorites Wild West City.
Oh my gosh, wild West City wasso much fun.
Do you remember the trainrobbery?
Yeah, yeah, oh, my God, I amall for the immersive kind of
(35:34):
thing and that's why I think Ilove the Ren Faire so much.
I love going up to the RenFaire and just getting kind of.
Again, I keep saying the wordimmersed, immersed in that kind
of era of time, and it's just somuch fun.
Immersed in immersion yeah, I'mimmersing myself in immersion,
(35:55):
yes, but it's just so much funand I think that's what's cool
about this is that this is a wayto to really get deep into dnd,
where you don't have to playyour, but you're still involved
in the, in the, the action thatis.
That is happening, so that'sreally cool.
I'm really, I'm really excitedfor that.
It literally just startedpreviews yesterday, so it's just
(36:20):
kicked off in New York City.
So if you're in the area oryou're going to make a trip to
this area, that would be aperfect thing to check out.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Absolutely.
I am hoping my injured leg willheal very quickly so that we
can get back in.
Yes, your poor injured leg.
Catherine's week started with astrained muscle in my leg that
has me hobbling around on acrutch.
And ended today with ascratched cornea from our friend
(36:54):
Jordy upstairs, who decided hewanted to smack me in the eye.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Oh, jordy, yeah, he just gets a little
overenthusiastic.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It wasn't enthusiasm.
He wanted to get down.
I said no.
I picked him up to move him andhe decided one way down was to
smack me in the eye.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Well, okay, then he's just an angry little elf.
He is an angry little elf, oh,poor guy.
I mean, I I understand how muchit hurt, believe me, but I
don't.
I don't think he intendedanything by it he intended
murder.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I could see murder in his heart when he did it murder
in his heart.
Murder in his furry littleheart.
Jordy murder, murder in hisheart.
Poor Jordy.
Right before you came upstairsafter he hit me, he pulled out a
little knife.
He put it away.
When you got upstairs, was hegoing to shiv you?
He was Wow, actually.
I believe he shanks right.
(37:50):
You shank with a shiv, youshank with a shiv.
Is that what it is?
I think so.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I have to look up the proper grammar on that I
haven't been to prison in awhile so I'm not 100% sure.
Thank God, because those aredementors.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
The worst thing about prison was dementors.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, seriously.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know what we ate Gruel Gruel sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Gruel, all gruel, all the time, but anyway.
So what do you like about?
Because this is again.
This is kind of really yourfirst D&D adventure.
So what are you looking forwardto?
At the 20-sided tavern, someoneelse looking foolish?
Someone else looking foolish?
(38:32):
Yeah, do you think you lookfoolish?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I don't know do you.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I don't think that's foolish, I think that's fun.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I think it's silly.
Well, okay, maybe I enjoy doingit, exactly you enjoy doing it,
but that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I don't know, it's just a matter of enjoying what
you do I guess so.
Yeah, all right.
So yes, 20-sided tavern it is.
I want to see where the I'mgoing to look it up for you
while we're while we're here.
It is at stage 42.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
422, west 42nd good to know I I had a feeling it was
going to be on 42nd street whenit was called stage 42.
Right, would be very funny ifit was stage 42 and it was on
like 85th street, brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Staten Island Staten Island.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Stage 42 here in beautiful Staten Island.
You could take a free ferryride to get here, that's right,
so definitely check it out.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
It looks like they have a discord server.
Oh boy, hello.
Apparently the 20 sided tavernhas a discord server as well.
That's fantastic.
There's only 1132 members atthe moment.
That's fantastic.
I'm gonna have to check thatout.
Excellent, cool, cool, cool allright all right on to our next
(39:55):
fantastic.
What else are we going to talkabout now?
We've talked about severalcrowdfunded campaigns for
different things.
We talked about the.
What was it called?
Gummy Quest?
Gummy Quest I knew it was Gummysomething.
(40:16):
Gummy Quest.
We've talked about that one.
I'm a big fan of Dice Dungeons,who is a dice vendor.
They just started a Kickstartercampaign for microfiber battle
mats, which is really cool,which we could talk about that
as well later.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
But those are super cool.
They just, they just started.
They got funded like withinthis, within the first day, uh,
for for that project.
But dice dungeons has made someof my favorite sets of dice my
copper dice, my cubic zirconiadice, the sea glass dice, which
I think are just absolutelybeautiful.
Um, they've, they've done somereally nice sets.
(40:57):
They just most recently wrappedup the one for the speakeasy
dice is what they're callingthem.
So a bunch of different sets ofdice themed on different
cocktails.
So that is one that is.
I think those are coming outsometime this fall.
(41:17):
They're shipping those.
But this is their newest oneare, yeah, the microfiber battle
maps.
So we can talk about that aswell, maybe right after this.
But this one is an article fromPolygon.
It says one author thinks yourD&D party should get out more
and socialize in character,thinks your D&D party should get
(41:41):
out more and socialize incharacter.
And they have created a bookcalled you Don't Meet in a
Tavern, which is a great sourceof beginning ideas for how
parties kind of get together andit sounds absolutely
fascinating.
There's like well over, I wantto say it's close to 100, I
(42:02):
think, different scenarios thatyou can play with, because she
was talking about getting up tolike 50 prompts and realizing
that she's got to make a bookout of this, but it's called you
Don't Meet in a Tavern.
One of the ones that soundedreally cool to me that they
mentioned in the article isbasically you're on a long
(42:22):
sailing voyage and the the shipruns aground and crashes and you
the party basically ends up onthe on the sandy beach the rocky
, rocky, sandy beach of someplace, and they've got to kind
of pick up their belongings andkind of assemble and that's one
(42:44):
way to join the party.
The other one is the.
Oh, where is it in here?
I'm trying to look for it inthe article.
It's like a paint and sip event.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, they called it sculpt and sip, Sculpt and sip.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Thank you they called it sculpt and sip, Sculpt and
sip.
Thank you.
Which is the?
Was it a gnome?
Is that who was running thesculpt and sip?
I don't remember.
Let's take a look.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yes, a gnome-led sculpt and sip.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
A gnome-led sculpt and sip.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
The one I liked was when they talked about, yes,
lead, sculpt and sip.
The one I liked was when theytalked about, um, yes, she says
what if you started because athief robbed everyone and you're
all chasing him togetherthrough a marketplace like it?
Makes the bonding piece of itseem much more realistic, much
more natural than like oh hey,we're all in a tavern.
We're all in a tavern.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
We're all in a tavern and here we are again.
Well, because I was thinkingabout this for the group of
because I'm looking at the keysfrom the Golden Vault and I was
trying to think of how toassemble that group and one of
the things, because they're allkind of heists, because they're
(43:55):
all kind of they're heists, so Iwas thinking of maybe they're
all independent operators on thefirst heist after the same item
and they realize that it'sbetter to team up.
They have a better chance ofbeing successful if they team up
.
Team up.
(44:16):
A team up.
Yes, I know you love they teamup.
Team up, A team up.
Yes, I know you love a team up.
So it would be better if theyteamed up and tried to take the
item that they were looking forinstead of trying to do it all
solo.
So that was one of the thoughtsthat I had, but I think they
were going to go in a differentroute.
I think they were going to goin a different route, but I am
(44:38):
just I'm a big fan of all sortsof D&D creators like this.
It is on what is the game found?
I think I think there's onlylike as of today.
I think there's only two daysleft to fund it.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
There are.
It's fully funded.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
It is 125% funded as of right now, but you can still.
You can still become a backerof the the campaign.
I guess when this goes live onMonday, Monday might be the last
day of it.
There's two days left, or theyinclude today.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Maybe you can still fund it.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
If not, you'll probably look for it after it's
published Probably look for itafter it's published.
They said October of 2024, thedigital versions will be
released so you can get it indigital format.
There is the main book and thenthey've got like a series of
special guests that are makinglike a supplemental to the
(45:42):
supplemental called GuestScenarios and Art, so there's a
secondary book to it.
It was like $15 to back it toget the digital versions.
The print versions are comingout.
I think they said February of2025.
Okay, If I recall correctly, sonot that much further after,
(46:08):
but it's just going to take themsome time to actually print the
material.
So digital versions fall thisyear.
So I'm really excited I decidedto back it.
Fall of this year.
So I'm really excited I decidedto back it.
I'm always looking for new ideasfor ways to kind of mix things
up other than the standard youmeet in a tavern.
So I thought this was a greatresource and I'm always up for
(46:29):
supporting independent creatorsof content.
They really make the D know theD and D community what it is.
So so thank you to to anyoneout there who has created
content for for D and D, becauseit's it's just awesome.
I love we've interviewed somereally great people on the
(46:50):
podcast before um that makecontent.
Um, I'm thinking of h who makes.
Who makes all the npc contenton on patreon.
Yep, that that's a really coolone.
They do some.
They do some amazing stuffthere.
Um, all sorts of people.
Tall tavern is another onereally cool stuff.
(47:12):
Pocket bard you know the, whatwe use for the sound effects,
for for the, the actual playthere.
There's just so many tremendouscreators out there and just
that.
That's just a few of the onesthat I've I've interacted with,
but there's there's a ton outthere.
Now, do you want to talk aboutdice dungeons?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Dungeons.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, okay, let me bring it up.
I want to say Dice Dungeons,battlecloth is what they call it
Battlecloth, battlecloth.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Battlecloth.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
So let's see.
I'm going to try to read thewhere's the description here.
Enhance your adventures withbattle cloth maps.
Our exclusive line of cloth,microfiber battle maps is ideal
for encounters in any rpg.
These high quality, full colorbattle maps make a fantastic
(48:09):
setting for different scenesduring your game.
They make planning easier forDMs and the experience more
immersive for players.
So the maps themselves areprinted on soft, high quality
fabric so you can.
There's no wrinkling oranything like that, creases or
anything.
Nice, smooth surfaces.
So for all of your minis andterrain and everything like that
(48:32):
fit really nicely on these.
Each one of the battle map areasis 21 and a half by 21 and a
half inches.
It's already got the grid on it, you know, for tracking
movement and things like that.
So it's it's really nicelybuilt.
They've got some.
They've got open fields, caves,oceans, and you can tile those
if you want to.
They've got all sorts ofaquatic ones a beach harbor, an
(48:58):
actual sailing ship, a sunkenship.
Then they've got all the actualland.
So and these all kind of tie intogether.
So there's forest, cliffsidepath, ruined temple, and can.
You can line all these uptogether the roadside camp, twin
bridges, cliffside cave, somany more.
(49:18):
They've got other ones a tavern, a castle floor, that gets
unlocked at 15,000.
And I think, what are they?
What do they add?
At the moment they're alreadyat 18, 18,471.
So they've already, they'vealready broken those stretch
goals.
I think that the next one is,oh, the snow cap summit, which
(49:40):
unlocks at 20 000 did you sayyou already backed this?
I have not backed this one yet,but I am.
I backed other dice.
I backed the um speakeasy dice.
Right, I backed when they didthe Seaglass dice.
I backed that Kickstartercampaign, but I have not backed
this campaign yet.
(50:00):
Pretty reasonably priced, let'stalk about that.
So two Battlecloth maps 23.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
One for 12.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Three for 33.
I want the whole set, though.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
So if you go to the whole set, 18 Battlecloth maps,
yes, $180.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
An estimated delivery is April of 2025.
So spring of 2025.
We're about a year out fromthere, oh, interesting.
Spring of 2025, or about aabout a year out from from there
, oh, interesting.
So two items are included.
There is the the battle clothmaps themselves and a digital
map pack, which is veryinteresting.
(50:49):
So you can, you can, you can goboth ways, um, which would be
pretty cool because I, I likedoing stuff, I like stuff, I
like doing stuff digitally aswell.
I mean, we play here in person,so we have, you know, kind of a
map laid out for for certainareas, but something like this
(51:09):
would be great just to just tohave.
So you can, you can laysomething down and put your
minis on it and everything,build out some terrain.
I need to start getting likesome terrain and other things to
to really flesh out these,these maps.
Yeah, so I thought you weregoing to say something no, no no
, no, no, okay, all right.
(51:31):
But like I, I'm glad they're andthey also, I was trying to
think because I was going to sayI'm glad they're not making
more dice, because I just haveto buy more dice.
But I also like their questdecks.
I'm a big fan of their questdecks from Dice Dungeons.
Those are really cool from DiceDungeons.
(51:53):
Those are really cool.
So if you're looking for sidequests and things to give to
your party, that's a great wayto come up with some things kind
of randomly.
You can use them as job boards.
So if there's a job board intown you can throw up some side
quests that way.
If you want to kind of extendthe game that way, you know,
(52:18):
just depending on what you wantto do.
Sometimes you know, sometimesyou know you can't get the whole
party together.
So maybe we've got a couplepeople.
So instead of doing the mainstoryline and leaving somebody
out, maybe you do a side quest.
You know, one night, when, when, not when the whole party can't
, can't be together.
So there's a lot of greatthings you can do with the side
(52:39):
quest decks as well.
Just make, just makes a DM'sjob that much easier.
But yeah, I'm, I'm reallydigging these battle cloth maps.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, they look awesome.
I've never seen them before.
I don't think we've talkedabout them, have we?
No, we haven't yeah, they'rereally cool looking.
I like the ones that you canactually like put together to
create one larger map yes thoseare fun yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
So, for example, for example, like the stall, there's
stalwart forest, stalwartforest, trying to say that,
stalwart forest, stalwart forest, thank you, thank you.
Stalwart forest, red leather,yellow leather, red leather,
yellow leather, unique new york.
(53:28):
Unique new york.
There's the cliffside path andthe ruined temple.
So those are three individual21 and a half by 21 and a half
maps, but you can actually linethem up side by side for one big
long, I guess about 63, 65 by21 and a half long map, so you
can really span these things out.
(53:50):
I think that one even bumpsinto the ones below it, which
are roadside camp, twin bridgesand cliffside cave.
So you can, you can reallyextend this thing pretty far,
which is which is really cool.
So so that that's a prettyexciting thing.
I I really dig these, they.
They did a nice job designingthem, whoever.
(54:10):
Whoever designed them at DiceDungeons really great job.
Maybe I will have to back it.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I just love that Dice Dungeons is out of Baltimore,
which you know has a place in myheart Balmore, balmore,
maryland.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yep, yep, indeed, and they've got terrain overlays.
Oh boy, there's so many cool,cool, cool things.
Oh, my goodness, a travel tube,yeah, travel tube for this, of
course they do.
(54:48):
Oh my god, so exciting.
Yes, oh, there's the team.
So they got dice.
Dungeons.
Is what happens when thecreative force of jarrett came
into contact with john's designand product savvy.
A professionally traineddesigner, jarrett started his
path designing, crafting andselling garb for cosplayers,
(55:11):
larpers and renfares.
John has a a PhD inbiochemistry and a passion for
analyzing problems and designingelegant solutions that help
others.
There you have it.
So check out Dice Dungeons on.
You can go to dicedungeonscom.
You can go to Kickstarter.
Look up Dice Dungeons.
You can see their latestcampaign.
This one has 25 days to to go,so there's still some time to to
(55:35):
back this one.
If you're looking for kind ofsome, some battle maps and
things like that, really nicequality um, definitely,
definitely check them out whatis what is next on our list of
topics to discuss uh.
Quests from the infinitestaircase west oh, so another,
(55:59):
another book that they areputting out for dungeons and
dragons.
It's another anthology of a lotof older adventures.
So this one is called questsfrom the infinite staircase.
So if you're familiar withthese anthologies, there's
Journey Through the RadiantCitadel, candlekeep Mysteries,
(56:21):
which I think we played a few ofthose when Joe was DMing.
I think he used some of theCandlekeep Mysteries I'm looking
to do Keys to the Golden Vaultwith Fable and their group of
friends.
Oh, neat, so that's the onethat I'm looking to do Keys to
the Golden Vault with Fable andtheir group of friends, oh neat.
So that's the one that I'm usingthere.
So this is a new anthologycoming out later this year, in
(56:41):
2024, quests from the InfiniteStaircase, which was announced
at PAX Unplugged back inDecember.
So they say the book will besimilar to tales from the
yawning portal and that itfeatures six updated versions of
classic dnd adventures frompast editions.
(57:02):
I think they say the book willofficially be released on july
16th, 2024 and is available forpre-order.
You can do the digital or thephysical versions of that.
Now big question what is Questsfrom the Infinite Staircase
(57:26):
about?
So, like I said, it's ananthology.
It's six classic D&D adventuresthey're updated for 5th edition
Designed for characters fromlevels 1 to 13.
Again, you can do themseparately or as part of an
overall campaign.
Some of the ones in here arethere's an adventure called the
(57:48):
Lost City, which was originallypublished in 82 as module B4.
And this adventure is designedfor first to third-level
characters.
Again, this one is focused fornew dungeon masters, with
players exploring the upperfloors of an ancient ziggurat
(58:09):
located in the depths of amysterious desert.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Mysterious.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Mysterious Yep, okay, michael Scott.
Yes.
In the depths of a mysteriousdesert, mysterious, mysterious
yep, okay, michael scott.
Yes, what do you?
What are your opinions on thatdear?
Any on the lost city?
Speaker 2 (58:27):
on the lost city.
It sounds interesting, right?
Yeah, I mean the one that Ithought sounded most interesting
is.
Beyond the Crystal Cave.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Ooh Well, let's talk about it.
What is it about?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Inspired by Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet,
it's designed for sixth levelcharacters and you have to
venture into the forbidden caveof echoes to find two
star-crossed lovers.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Ooh, beyond the Crystal Cave.
That sounds interesting.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Just sounded fun.
There's a couple of modulesthat clearly were intended for
the UK.
That's one of them.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Since that was originally module UK1.
Yes, the other one are theremore than I think.
Just the other one that wasmeant for the UK was when a Star
Falls.
Yes, that's designed for fourthto fifth level characters, and
players must recover a fallenstar before rival factions are
(59:24):
able to get their hands on it,while also dealing with an
ancient tower and a darkprophecy.
Ooh.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yes, the one that sounds really interesting to me
that I would love to run isExpedition to the Barrier Peaks.
Ooh a Gary Gygax one.
Exactly.
This is an adventure written bythe legendary, the one and only
the wickedly.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Adele Dazeem, the wickedly Adele Dazeem, the
wickedly talented.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Exactly Adele Dazeem.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Gary Gygax.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
This article refers to it as one of the most iconic
old-school D&D adventures of alltime.
Designed for level 11 to 13characters, it combines classic
fantasy elements with someout-of-the-world science fiction
technology.
Oh, what is that?
It also marks the firstappearance appearance of the
(01:00:28):
frogamoth what's a?
Frogamoth i'moth.
I'm clicking on the link tofigure this out.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Oh, it's like a froghemoth, like a behemoth,
exactly A froghemoth.
Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
I like the picture on D&D Beyond Interesting.
It's a huge monstrosity.
It is an amphibious predator asbig as an elephant.
It's layers and swamps and hasfour tentacles, a thick rubbery
hide what is going on with that?
(01:00:59):
Tongue a fang filled maw with aprehensile tongue yuck yeah I
don't like his feet yes, and anextendable stalk sporting three
bulbous eyes that face indifferent directions.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I mean what?
Could the eyes be non-bulbous,come on.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I think they have to be bulbous.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
He's clearly got a thyroid issue.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Maybe that's his issue.
Maybe he just needs thyroidmedication.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, he goes on thyroid medication.
He's a totally normal guy,right.
Who knows?
He's just a frog.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
That's all he is.
He's just a frog with a thyroidproblem.
Exactly oh poor guy, somisunderstood.
So hang on.
I got to figure out how this isactually pronounced, thanks to
D&D Beyond for pronunciationhere Frog-hemoth, frog-hemoth,
frog-hemoth, behemoth, frog,frog-hemoth.
(01:02:02):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Excellent Love the I love D&D Beyond has the
pronunciation.
D&d Beyond has thepronunciation.
Well, this is why Joe and Iwere constantly battling,
because I called it rightfullyso a tabaxi Right, and Joe
wanted to call it a tabahi andI'm like, no, don't ask me why.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Does Joe have a mysterious Hispanic heritage
that we don't know?
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
about, maybe, perhaps , but but no, it's tabaxi.
So anyway, so that is.
That is some of what is goingon in the the wonderful world of
dnd oh wait, can we talk?
About.
What else do you want to talkabout?
Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
well, in quest from the infinite staircase yes,
there were not done yet no,we're not okay, um because there
was one really cool part that Ihave to find yes about a new
character yes I'm looking I'mwaiting okay, here we go.
(01:03:19):
Yes, question.
The infinite staircase alsointroduces a new powerful cosmic
character, the noble genienathas, who hears wishes made
throughout the multiverse andrecruits heroes to fulfill them.
Uh, he's featured on theconcept art Wizards of the Coast
unveiled at PAX Unplugged.
This new character has neverappeared before in the D&D canon
(01:03:41):
and will provide the thematiclink between the book's
adventures.
I just thought that was reallycool.
It has over 30 new monsters andNPCs, all of which will be
given new stat blocks that arefully compatible with 5e.
I mean, it just sounds reallylike there's a lot of old
material, obviously because it'san anthology, but there's also
a bunch of new stuff in there,which I think is really cool.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That is really cool.
Deedee, are you coming to sayhello?
Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Hello DeeDee DeeDee, she's such a peanut.
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
DeeDee has joined the podcast.
Hello.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Here she comes.
She's going to knock over thescreen, she's going to walk
across the laptop.
I don't know what she's goingto do.
Hold on, please.
Are you coming for me, deedee?
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
I got you, there we go.
I got you.
Yeah, come sit.
Deedee is our blind cat,daredevil.
She is the cat without fear.
Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
There's my girl.
Okay, yeah, so I mean, that'swhy I thought it was really cool
.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
That is really cool, because I mean I guess there is,
I mean it wouldn't be, I meanthat's a good way to tie
everything together, theseseemingly unrelated adventures.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Right, you've got the genie who can be granting
wishes in between, and they allend up in these different
adventures.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Right, right, right, very cool, she's just rubbing on
my headphones Aw.
Hi, she is very happy to seeyou.
Yeah, excellent.
So that is some of what isgoing on in the in the world of
dnd.
So, 20-sided tavern playing itat um stage, stage 42, thank you
(01:05:25):
.
In new york city I keep wantingto say studio 54, but that's
different that is very different.
Um so, stage 42 in new York city, 20 sided tavern, we've got the
campaign, the, the crowdfunding campaigns for you don't
meet in a tavern which basically, by the time this podcast goes
(01:05:47):
live, will be will be completed.
It's already funded, but theirfundraising window is closing
very shortly.
But you can still get behindDice Dungeons and their
Battlecloth maps if you'relooking for some really nice
high-quality maps.
(01:06:07):
That one is coming out.
And what else dear?
Well, the new book that'scoming out, quests from the
Infinite Staircase.
That's going to be veryexciting, all right.
Well, thank you again everybodyfor joining us today on today's
adventure.
We had our special guest, ourniece Jocelyn, our musical
(01:06:30):
composer for all the music ofLegends, loot and Lore, so that
was wonderful.
Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
AKA June Westfield.
Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
AKA June Westfield.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
On YouTube, spotify and all the socials.
Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yes, absolutely.
And what else?
We had just some lovely newsfor D&D.
Some great things going on outthere.
So again, thank you, thank youall for listening.
Some great things going on outthere.
So again, thank you, thank youall for listening.
Remember, please, you can helpsupport this, this fun podcast
of ours at legends loot and loredot supercastcom.
(01:07:04):
And check us out on on thesocials.
We're on Instagram, tik TOK,facebook threads.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Not Twitter.
Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I think you mean X.
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Don't buy a cyber truck, oh my goodness it's stuck
in floor.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Oh my God, it's like the gas pedal gets stuck.
Yeah, and did you see thefingers?
Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
The fingers getting crushed.
Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah, oh, my God, yeah, I watched the guy put all
sorts of vegetables in it andthey just kept getting hacked.
Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Oh yeah, yikes.
Yeah, it was a cyber truck isfrightening, but anyway again,
thank you once again everybody.
We look forward to talking toyou next week.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Have a great day Bye.
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