October 31, 2025 • 72 mins
Brad and Richard roll up their sleeves to help birth this spooky baby of an episode. As a special Halloween bonus to the listeners, these guys talk about Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (1995) AKA Halloween 666: Michael Myers Beyond the Hellscape of the Doom Killers. Will they ever not NOT talk about candy corn. Tune in and find out!
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Where are you going? I gotta take a shower. You know, to stay fresh.
Pitches on broomsticks are up to their tricks. And poltergeists wail to the moon.
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Which looks like a silver balloon Frankenstein's monster is having a ball
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Welcome to Hello, This is the Doomed Show. I am Richard. I am Brad. Welcome. Good evening. To Good Evening, the Spooky Men are here.
Brad is changing his name to Mitchell Myers. Mitchell Myers. And I am changing my name to Howard Myers, the lesser known Michael. Or whatever.
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The lesser done Michael Howard. Folks. You know, I think it would, I mean, would you be afraid of a guy named Howard? Yes. I don't think I would be. Howie. Especially.
If he had the rubber glove on his head and he was blowing it up like a balloon. Well, there's two ways it can go if you're a grown-up and you let everybody call you Howie. What is good and what is bad. Yep.
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Both are just named Howie. Howdy. Howdy. Folks, we're talking about Halloween colon The Curse of Michael Myers from 1995. We're going to spoil this thing and for you.
concerned parents out there uh we are talking about the theatrical version everybody hates this movie no one's gonna listen to this oh yeah
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They don't care what we do. But no, we just decided to talk about the theatrical cut this time because I think it was both like we were due for watching this version maybe.
I think that's sort of what we decided. So we're not going to completely leave out discussion of the producer's cut, the infamous producer's cut, but we're also not going to go into...
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The Megaton level of detail. Folks, if you know the Taking Shape books, parts one and two, if you are a Halloween fan or thinking about...
Becoming a Halloween fan, read Taking Shape and Taking Shape 2. Man, they will fill your life with more Michael Mayers than you ever wanted. Man, Lanny bought me both editions.
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They really entertain some ridiculously outlandish ideas. Boy, howdy. I laughed because Tyler got me the first book. Thank you, Tyler. Good on you, Tyler.
And I could not resist. I had to get the second one for myself. It's just they're so fun. Oh, my God. So we're not going to read from the book. We're going to miss a lot of details.
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Folks, when you see how much just on this one movie, because of its two versions, this shit is crazy. It really is.
And then the whole second book talks about the, the versions we never got of this movie too. So yeah. Oh, so good. I have never been so happy to read.
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someone else summarize a screenplay and just feel like i'm reading like uh not sexy fan fiction uh-huh because do you ever just read a screenplay like for fun
no i have never i i've never been able to do it like i've read some scenes before but i've never been able to be like ah let me light some candles and
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Put on my smoking jacket and just sit here and read a screenplay. I'm just going to... What are you doing tonight? Reading a screenplay. It's never happened to me.
Oh, man. This movie was directed by Joe Chappelle. He later directed Phantoms and The Skulls 2.
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Which, after how ridiculous the first Skulls movie is, I can only imagine what Skulls 2 must be like. Oh my god. I am not familiar with Skulls.
Film franchise. But I'm open to it. Yeah. I recommend the first one. It's very cheesy. It's very cheesy. I love very cheesy. And then he went on to be a producer and director of The Wire. And I know that's a beloved show.
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Indeed. I have never seen a single episode. I've seen some crazy clips from it, though. Yeah, Baltimore shithole. Wow. I mean, I've seen a lot of Baltimore thanks to John.
john waters so i believe it yeah so you can cut that out if you want or not i'm not cutting that out uh so i've been to baltimore multiple times i bought drugs from the wire
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Nice. So, according to Am I... According to... Okay, cheese. Stop it. You're distracting the shit out of me. Out of the box. Out of the box. According to the FBI...
This cat is amazing. Okay. So according to IMDB, this was written by Deborah Hill and John Carpenter. That doesn't sound right. I think they forgot the characters in parentheses. Very nice.
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But then this has one screenwriter. We're going to talk about 10 different screenwriters tonight. But Daniel Ferraz. And this guy went on to direct many, many, many horror movie documentaries.
Yeah, he did. As well as he wrote and directed some serial killer movies, like some adaptations of real serial killer lives.
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And shout out to Simon. He directed something called Rave, Dancing to a Different Beat, which I watched the trailer, and I think, Simon, you and I would definitely discuss this movie. Really? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
I'm going to drop the teaser trailer in here for this beautiful movie. I believe, yeah, this is going to be the curse of Michael Myers' title. The first title was the... the 666 title yeah they of course changed it immediately before it came out every legend is based on fact every myth
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is grounded in truth. For 17 years, the town of Haddonfield, Illinois has been haunted.
By a night when evil roamed the streets And a madman ruled the night Everyone knows his name
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Now everyone will know the truth. I knew what he was, but I never knew why.
Of Michael Myers. And there was the teaser trailer for that. Now I'm going to read from the Miramax VHS or the Dimension. I think it's the Dimension VHS.
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Same thing, though, really. Boy, howdy. The tagline is, true terror never dies. And it says...
For pulse-pounding suspense and relentless thrills, nothing can match Halloween, The Curse of Michael Myers, the newest and most frightening chapter in the chilling Halloween series.
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In a single horrifying night, Michael Myers' masked reign of terror changed Halloween forever. Now, six years later, after he was presumed dead in a fire, Myers has returned to kill again.
And this time, there's no escape. As the homicidal fury builds to a spine-tingling climax, the long-hidden secrets of the screen's most maniacal murderer are revealed.
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With shocking results. Some of that was not factual. Color. 87 minutes-ish. Ish. Was there a fire at the end of...
Part five, there was an explosion, and then the police station was shot up. Was the police station on fire, though? Well, that's the question. Continuity, people. Get in here.
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You know, there are people out there that are like, Debra Hill and John Carpenter wrote Halloween 1, 2, and 6. Sure, sure. Based on IMDb. And they're arguing. That's right. I just think that's amazing.
We're going to talk about – later we'll talk about what John Carpenter wanted to do with this movie. Oh, boy. So we're going to talk about some of the cast. These are some of our main characters here.
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We've got good old Donald Pleasance playing Dr. Loomis back at it again for his final time. Did you say it, Krispy Kreme? I said Krispy Kreme. Yeah, I love it. Thank you.
Back at it again at Krispy Kreme. Paul Rudd is grown up Tommy Doyle. He never worked again after this. Very sad. Oh, yeah. Introducing the guy we already met. Stephen. Oh, Stephen. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah.
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Good news. This is for Brad. When my phone mutes you off and on, do you know that it's doing that? Uh...
Yes. So in case you were wondering why I'm talking over you, Brad, I swear to God, I don't know you're talking until I start talking. And when I start talking, it unmutes you. Hmm. It's the same thing that Google does to me when I'm talking to Mark.
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Over Google Meet. It's great. So I apologize in advance. I'm actually, you have cut out on me was what I thought you were getting at. Oh.
So I've had to use context clues a time or two. Okay. Well, if you ever need me to just say something again, just let me know. We'll do it again. I'll text you.
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So next up, we've got Marianne Hagen as Kara Strode. She would go on to be in Steakland from 2010. Yeah.
That was a big movie when it came out. Horror fans went crazy over Steakland. I saw it. I don't remember being over the moon about it. It was good. It was on par with 30 Days of Night, I thought.
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Oh, well, I really like 30 Days of Night. Yeah. Maybe it's time to revisit that Stanklandia. Maybe so. Next up, we've got Mitchell Ryan, who plays Dr. Wynn. He's a winner. Yeah.
He goes back to Dark Shadows. Oh, I know. Yes. So Mitchell Ryan, 107 episodes, which is nothing. That's like a month and a half.
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Dude, it's crazy. Soap operas always blow my mind. I love it. I think they're the greatest actors in the world because they're filming constantly. Every day. All that dialogue they're going to memorize.
His claim to fame was in Lethal Weapon, of course. Sure. And then he was in Liar Liar and Gross Point Blank the same year. Wow.
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And in a possibly future upcoming episode of Hello, There's a Doom show, he was in A Reflection of Fear from 1972. Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Next up, we got...
Kim Darby as the long-suffering Deborah Strode, the matriarch of this family. Outside of Donald Plissett, she might have been the most famous. Yeah, yeah.
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she's in true grit and she's in gargoyles i think don't be afraid of the dark yeah not gargoyles don't be afraid of the dark yeah there you go i've still never seen gargoyles i've always wanted to i uh
I totally slept through it the first time, so I've never really seen it. But yeah, I know her best from Better Off Dead. Oh, is she John Cusack's mom? Yep. Nice. I quote her all the time. French dressing. French bread.
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And to drink Peru. I haven't seen that in a long time. That's the one where, is that the one where he owes the kids money for money? Two dollars. Yep. Yes.
It's the paper boy. Oh, Savage Steve Holland, did it? Yeah, man. Masterpiece. I remember things. Yeah. She was also in Teen Wolf 2. Well. Hmm.
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They paid her. Yeah. I hope she invested that money. Yeah. Next up, we've got the awful, awful father of the family.
Played by Bradford English. He plays John Strode. Yep. Good actor. Very good actor. Dude. He was in every TV show ever. Look at his career on IMDb.
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Like one episode stops on everything. It's really fun. Yeah. So a really strong character actor. He plays an awful person in this. Boy, howdy.
Keith Bogart is Tim Stroh. Didn't really recognize him from other things. But he's our grunge boy. He's grunging it up in his grunge wardrobe. I love how this movie was made.
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like right after grunge was the biggest thing ever. And then they waited another two years before they finished it. So grunge was so out by 95.
We were already in a horrible post-grunge death spiral. It was the glam. The glam was back. That's what everybody was doing. Yeah. And let's see. Next up, we got Mare...
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Mariah O'Brien as Beth. She's our love interest to the Tim Strode. This lady was the crying woman.
In the Ozzy Osbourne No More Tears music video. Really? Which made my brain explode. Because I had seen that video 300,000 times. That was peak MTV for me.
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That album actually was one that I got for a penny or whatever through Columbia or B&G, that album. Nice. That's great.
I've seen that video, but I can't place her in it. I'll have to watch it now. Oh, you won't be able to miss her when you watch it. She was also in some music videos for Red Cross and Afghan Wigs.
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Ooh, Red Cross. Yeah, dude. Power Pop favorites. Yeah, I love Red Cross. Next up, we've got the one, the only, Barry Sims, played by Leo Geter.
He is our shock jock. He is our shock jock. Brad, do you know what horror movie, what slasher movie Leo Getter was in when he was a young man? Sleepaway camp.
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Close. He was in Silent Night, Deadly Night. He is the kid. He's the blonde kid. He's the one who's with Linnea Quigley.
They're trying to make out. Okay. She's supposed to be watching her little sister or babysitting or something. Something. Yep. Yep. Mr. Pool Table. I'll have to pay attention next time I watch it.
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Yeah, dude. Next up, we've got J.C. Brandy as Jamie Lloyd. This actress, she's not Danielle Harris, no matter how you squint. She doesn't look like her at all. No, and if you're not paying attention, you might not think.
You might not know who she is. Right. This actress kicked around for a while. I know her best as a supporting role in Devil in the Flesh, starring Rose McGowan.
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It's a drama thriller something movie. I don't know. We got George P. Wilbur playing The Shape. Yep. His last role ever. Aw. He's dead now.
He is dead now. He's slashing up there in the heaven. That's right, that's right. All right, we'll come back to the crew after we talk about this plot, which we're going to jump around in. We're not going to do it scene by scene here.
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like i said spoilers if you haven't seen this movie yet and you totally should let's go team theatrical the movie opens up and i'm gonna sing this this first part brad are you ready i'm ready
Childbirth is painful. It brings on many tunnels. And I can see my baby in the arms of a nurse. There were a lot of tunnels.
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A lot of tunnels. So Jamie Lloyd, a.k.a. Jamie Strode, is given birth. There's a lot of screaming, a lot of very stylish.
Speaking of music video, music video looking edits going on and she's screaming and screaming. And I just imagined what people were thinking in a theater going to see this movie and just hearing this lady's blood curdling screams and bleeding all over the place.
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What or how it's got anything to do with Halloween. Yep. Yep. Is she giving birth to Michael? So, so who is, who do you think the father is of this, this, this, this Steven child?
It's Michael, right? I've always assumed it's Michael. Yeah. That is not the only incest. There's apparently some, what would you call it?
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sneaky incest later that i'd never thought of until i read someone's take on a certain pair of characters my brain exploded we'll get to that when we get to that so yes she gives birth to this baby and uh she's immediately um
taken away from this baby or the baby's taken away from her uh meanwhile we got um paul rudd spooky narrator uh narrating and i wrote in my notes that um naked babies and druids scare me
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As they should. Then Jamie escapes. Nurse Mary, who's the only nice person that works at the Thorn Corporation. We'll talk about Thorn in a minute. She...
Or the Thorn group. I don't know. She helps her escape. And she gets killed Lucio Fulci style. Michael picks up this nurse and slams her head into a convenient spike on the wall, like in the beyond. Yep. Love it.
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And then we cut to Danny, our little Danny Strode. He's our little boy. And Giallo Man is talking to him. He's commanding him to kill. Boy, howdy. Oh, my God.
Love this. I love this. I mean, it is. I think it's the Cult of Thorne. I think that's what they call it. That's what they call it, yeah. You'd think with the books I've read of all this stuff, I'd remember that.
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it's it's it's thorn and sons yeah yeah i mean i got the thorn tattoo i guess i should uh i guess i should bone up on my stuff right yeah no one's gonna call you on it no one cares uh we get to see
We get to hear our pal Barry Sims. He's our shock jock radio. And as Jamie is escaping, she's listening to this radio, driving down the rainy highway as Michael chases her. Meanwhile, the commentators are talking about...
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Whatever happened to that Dr. Loomis guy? I heard he died. And then Donald Pleasant shows up and proves that he had died. Right. But the estate was collecting a paycheck.
It's so sad. It's very sad. He sounds terrible. But you know what? He's running on his love for work. There were reshoots for this movie, and he was gonna come back.
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for the reshoots like he was like literally making plans you know out in europe he was like resting in france or something and he's gonna come back and do those reshoots and he just he passed away he really wanted to do it
Yeah, I'm sure he did. He was a professional. And he cared about this character and he cared about this franchise. I just love how Halloween gave him a second career and an important one. Absolutely.
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You think about the movies he was doing by the mid-70s, and it was like the last gasp of Hammer and the last gasp of Amicus stuff he would show up in.
His daughters, man, they were starting to act. Was it just one of his daughters as an actress? Just the one, Angela. Okay, the most wonderful.
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An ethereal being. Yes. Our pal Jamie makes it to the most important bus station. I wrote in my notes, this is the most important bus station scene since.
And I put in brackets here, movie reference. Movie reference. I think you're right. And the bus line, when you can see the stops on the bus, Smith's Grove is one of them.
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Nice, nice. And Dwight is in Illinois. Our friend Heather, she was from Dwight. Oh, cool.
So it's a real Illinois bus stop, but then I just throw Smith Grove in there. Nice. Jamie manages to make a phone call into the radio station to the shock jock because she hears Tommy Doyle.
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giving his opinions on what Michael Myers has been up to. And she manages to yell over the thing to get the attention of a good old Donald Pleasance who's in hiding, but you know, keeping up with the local radio shock jock scene.
As old men often do. It's like when you pull up at a stoplight and someone is listening to talk radio at a deafening volume. And it's like the voices are shaking their car and like...
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hurting your ears and you get all mad at him and then you go oh wait that guy's probably just hard of hearing yeah he's probably just deaf he's not actively trying to share no he's not trying to be a dick oh boy
Lori takes off, Michael in pursuit, and she goes to a farm. I always think this is the same farm where a bunch of people got killed in Halloween 5. I assume it is. Yeah, why not?
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The land's cursed. Damn right. Michael gets her and slams her onto some...
Farming equipment that looks very sharp and dangerous. That is how he's killed people every movie. That's his trademark is the farm equipment. Ran over somebody with a tractor. Yep, yep.
I'm underlining farm equipment in my notes many times, folks at home. Oh, yeah. Farm equipment. She tells him right before she gets gotten in the most brutal way possible, getting ripped apart by farm equipment.
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then he'll never have the baby and he goes and sure enough he the baby is now a swath wrapped in swaddling is it swaddling clothes it's just some paper towels
Swaddling. Yep. Which, hey, he was excited because this was the pandemic when they shot this and paper towels were expensive, bro. Yeah, like he's the father and the uncle. Of paper towels. The fun uncle.
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The Funkle. I love it. The Funkle. Meanwhile, Dr. Wynn is visiting good old...
Good old Donald Pleasence's loomy boy. And telling him, hey, you ready to come back to work? And Donald Pleasence looks at him like he grew a freaking extra head. Yeah. Come back to Smith's Grove.
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What language are you speaking? I don't think so, Tim. He wants him to study Michael Myers, and he fast-forwarded a lot of plot here. Just fast-forwarding.
They end up at the crime scene where Jamie was killed the next morning and there's a giant rune burned into the hay bales. Very nice. Yeah, it's Michael taking time to let everyone know that he'd been there.
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And this is when Donald Pleasant starts to figure out that he might have a clue about what's going on. We'll get to that when we get to that. Maybe. I don't know what I'm going to do. Okay. Surprise me.
After Jamie's killed the next morning, we see the happy family scene at the Strode house. Papa Strode is an asshole.
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And he's given Kara. I wrote her name as Carol in my notes over and over again for some reason. Do you like Carol? I do like Carol.
But I like Kara too. So she's studying, she's in college and she's studying psychology and her family acts like it's this like the biggest waste you could possibly do with your time, which I don't know, maybe.
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supposedly i love all this stuff all the character stuff with uh danny and his older his older brother or older uh cousin or whatever he's supposed to be brother cousin funcle and then he
He ends up taking a sip of the stomach pounder. This kid has his own disgusting smoothie and the kid can't handle it. It's so fun. Which is from The Fog, by the way.
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Oh, yeah, the stomach pounder. Thank you for catching that. Certainly. And then they're both wearing their Barry Kicks Ass t-shirts in reference to our shock jock. I totally want a Barry Kicks Ass t-shirt and that nice...
Pumpkin orange. Beautiful, beautiful. That big block lettering. Yes. And then Dad shows up and ruins everything because he's a blowhard. He's a piece of crap.
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He smacks his daughter for mouthing off. Danny pulls a knife on him. Oh, it's great. It's just wonderful. Beth comes over. That was the 90s, kids. Yeah, dude. If you didn't pull a knife on your mean dad, what were you doing?
You weren't in the 90s. That's what you were doing. It was all that Soundgarden. They don't know how it was. Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Z, Gen C-3PO. I don't know.
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That's just it. We don't know. Beth shows up and they go to college, but on the way to college, my favorite thing ever is the fake Alice in Chains song. Oh, my God. I love it.
I love this so much. The fake Alice in Chains song is so great. And then we see some drawings. Danny, the little boy, has been drawing some thorn symbols and drawing some blood and death and everything.
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They'd have him like in jail today. Somebody would see that drawing. They're like, you're going to jail, kid. Yep. You're all washed up in this town, Danny. That's right. Right. Tim looks at the art and goes.
Oh, that's cool. Like a Beavis and Butthead impression. It's very sad.
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But Danny's got bigger problems than his drawings. What happens when Danny is walking with his pumpkin? Ah, he runs into Tommy Doyle.
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and an homage to the original Halloween film where Tommy Doyle runs into Michael and breaks his pumpkin. Yep, yep.
And it also makes this, because Tommy Doyle has been acting sus this entire time, and it makes you wonder, possibly is he Michael, or has he got something to do with this? Because he's acting weird.
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Is he another one of these thorny people? That's right. Unlike Michael Myers, he actually apologizes. He's like, sorry. Sure. I don't know if, like...
The experience, the tragedy that he went through as a child is what makes him so spaced out. Yep. And they just don't do a good job of conveying that that is why. Yeah. Because...
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It's like he's never talked to a human until the movie really gets going. Yeah, because the first time we see him, other than pacing around, is he's spying on Kara while she's...
dressing out of her beautiful robe for the night. So he's just a peeping Tom. Sure. We see how traumatized he was when he finally lays eyes on Michael later in the movie. It's one of my favorite scenes.
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That's great. Dr. Loomis shows up because he's discovered that the Strode family, the extended Strode family, has moved into Michael Myers' house.
And he gives Mrs. Strode all of the deets. Tells her all about how terrible her husband is. Because, of course, Mr. Strode, brother of the other Strode man.
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Lori's father. Lori's father. They couldn't sell the Myers house. And so somehow the whole Strode family didn't know about any of this and just moved into the Myers house. Right.
sure sure like what were they were they living in like arizona or something exactly they're just out of it yep they were on lockdown or something
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Right after Loomis leaves, she calls her husband and gives him shit for all of this. It's so good. And she tells him she's going to leave him if he won't come with her, with the whole family.
He just hangs up on her because he's a totally awesome guy. And as she's packing to get out of there, what happens to her, Brad? Very sadly, she runs into the fenced-in backyard.
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and uh michael michael gets her like it is one of the saddest deaths i think in the entire franchise because totally uh you know this woman is pretty beat down from her lunatic
husband. It's pretty sad, but she gets in in a good way. There's splatter all on a sheet. Oh, yeah. Also important is that Michael Myers kills her with his traditional trademark weapon of an axe.
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An axe. And I'm underlining the word axe several times here. I believe he does carry his trademark knife in many other scenes. Oh yes, totally. Totally.
He didn't have a hot, hot tub like Halloween 2 to catch people and stick them in. That's true. So with the baby in tow, Tommy convinces...
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Kara and Danny to come to his place because Michael Myers is going to kill everyone there. And then we see Tommy's Sisters of Mercy poster. Freak out.
Pretty bitchin'. That's pretty Brad. Danny is left alone for five minutes with the funny landlady. Uh-huh. This funny landlady. I forgot to mention her.
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She was the one, Mrs. Blankenship, she was a character that was mentioned very briefly in other films, but she apparently was...
Not doing a good job of babysitting young Michael Myers. Yeah. The night that he killed his sister. It's totally an invention of this film. Yeah.
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He had no babysitter. He was with his sister. Right, right. But I forgive it. Yeah, whatever. She tells her awesome Sam Haynes story, giving a...
Giving Danny the long, boring version of where Halloween came from. And this kid's just staring at her like he stares at everybody else. He is comatose. Yes. Yes. Come on, Danny. Say goodnight to Mrs. Blankenship.
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Good night, Mrs. Blankenship. He hears the voice, you know, just like the other boy that lived in that house. What are you talking about?
I was babysitting with him that night. Little Mikey Myers that lived across the street. And that's when the voice came. The night he murdered his sister. Michael heard a voice?
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Meanwhile, Barry Sims is in town. Apparently, Beth and Tim's plan is to get the attention of Barry.
to help the town heal and get over this boring old Michael Myers crap and start celebrating Halloween proper at the big Halloween festival, which is happening. So I guess the town's fine.
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I mean, basically, it's Footloose. We just want to dance the Moundstermash again, man. Barry Sims is a total asshole.
I wrote in my notes that he's cooler than Howard Stern, though, so I guess I accept it. I guess. I'm not a Howard Stern fan. Apparently he has listeners. I don't know. Nah. I got sick of him in the 90s.
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Speaking of the 90s, this movie. Right. Barry sucks. Barry does suck. He's not very charismatic. He's got this awful...
Delivery. And he's not a handsome fella. He's got a mustache. It's goofy. So I don't really know why he's got a following.
When we meet him, he's wearing a fedora like the man in black who's appeared earlier, Mr. Giallo. And he's got a black trench coat on and he's got boxers with like kisses on them.
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And then boots. That's all he's wearing. It's terrible. He shakes his moneymaker at the crowd and the crowd eats it up. Yep. He's rude and shitty to Beth.
And I'll drop the line of dialogue in here where he's an idiot. And then, of course, he finds out that, through Beth, that Tim lives in the Myers house. They decide to move the show to the Myers house.
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Does she get this riled up in the sack, Tim? I bet she wears crotchless panties and barks like a dog. Beth! What do you say, honey? You and me, yeah? What?
Brad, tell us about the double whammies. We get two deaths. Barry gets it and Mr. Strode gets it. Tell me about these. All right, so Mr. Strode comes home. His wife is already dead.
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He doesn't realize that. The washer in the basement, which we have seen, which is a creepy little place, is on the fritz. He goes downstairs to check it out. Michael kills him with the electric box. He electrocutes him.
It's very satisfying. When they cut away, they cut away to an exterior shot and you see the windows there along the ground and they light up blue.
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That's another thing I wanted to mention. There's some blue tint, some blue hue, some blue gel, something in this film. And it's a nod, of course, to the original and the second one. So I appreciate that sort of stuff.
When you can homage without being flashy or calling attention upon itself. Or just being a copycat. Right. And I wrote in my notes that Michael Myers kills him.
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with, and I'm underlining this, his traditional trademark weapon, electricity. Underline that. Yeah, yeah. Yep. That's funny.
It's one of the most satisfying. Oh yeah. It's probably the most satisfying kill of the entire franchise. Cause he's just, he's just a dick wad, you know? And electricity makes his fucking head explode.
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It really does. I don't get the feeling that he is physically abusive. I do get the feeling that he is extremely emotionally abusive. He talks to his wife in a manner that is...
There's no one called for. No. I will reveal this now. This was in somebody's reading of this movie that he, the Mr. Strode, is the father of little Danny Strode that...
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Kara ran away from home because she was being sexually abused by her father. And that's why good old Mr. Strode hates Danny so much and hates her so much because they're a reminder of his guilt.
And I said, ew, but also, oh, that's not nice. Why would she come back to that? I mean, I guess she'd have to be at the end of her rope. Exactly. Exactly. Very sad.
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But what happens to Barry? So Barry walks off into this sea of vehicles, and he's on a gigantic cell phone.
He's like, we're going live from the Myers house. He's like, are you kidding tomorrow night? I don't remember what example he gives, but he's like, we'll have the whole world after tomorrow. So he gets in a news van.
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or whatever and michael myers is in it and he kills the shit out of him and it's very satisfying as well because barry's awful but you you just you're like how did michael know which van barry was going to get in
Because Barry gets into the wrong van. He even says, wait, this isn't the right van. Yeah, it's not even the right van. But I guess Michael was waiting to kill somebody else and Barry just ran across his path.
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There's this scene next of this little girl, and she's in her Halloween costume, and she's like, it's raining, it's pouring. And she's like, Mom, it's raining red. It's raining red. And...
Paul Rudd shows up and slowly his gaze goes to the sky and we look up and he's strung up with lights and he's like, is he like in a Cupid costume?
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Yeah, the little girl dressed like an angel. That's right. And Barry strung up in a tree because Michael took the time and nobody saw Michael climb this tree and then hoist his body up in the air.
And, you know, decorating. Let me see something real quick.
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Barry looked very Nicotero to me, like one of his creations. Yeah. I'm not sure who did the gore. Yeah, some people I don't recognize. But yeah, no, it's fun. I love it.
Great scene, especially back to back with the head exploding. It's so fun.
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Next, we get the tasteful lovemaking scene with Tim and Beth. They're both very horny and excited to be at the Myers house on Halloween night.
So they get romantic in Carol's bed. Carol? In Kara's bed, which is not nice. Is this the tasteful? Yeah. Tell me about it. It's classy nudity. It's not gratuitous.
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It harkens again back to the original film where it makes sense for, you know, Linda to be like, see anything you like. Yes. Because it's in its proper context. And here it is as well. So she's topless.
And so you see everything from the top up. I love the part when he gets up to leave. She goes, where are you going? He's like, I gotta go shower. And she gives him a look like, why? He's like,
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You know, got to stay fresh. You got to stay. It's one of the guys, a young guy. That's his, one of his goals is to stay fresh. It was the 90s.
As a former teenage boy in the 90s, I can attest that I was getting fresh all over the place. Folks, I have a lot of favorite lines in the Halloween franchise, and this is one of them. This is amazing.
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It's so good. This is on par with Tyra Banks making that big old fricking latte for herself in, in resurrection. I love this so much.
That's an episode that would get less listens than this one. Yes. Oh, we'll make sure that happens. Resurrection. Oh, boy. So then they get killed while...
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Kara's watching. We assume that Tim gets it in the shower just after the shower. And then, of course, Beth gets it while she's on the phone. Then frickin' Dr. Wynn reveals his true self.
to Dr. Loomis and to Tommy and to Kara and to Danny. He is the man in black. He's the one who's been sneaking in and whispering and trying to turn Danny into the next Michael Myers, I guess.
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I do, if I'm not mistaken, I do think I remember from Taking Shape that they really didn't have an answer for who the man in black was at the end of the war. They wrote themselves into a corner, sure. They sure did.
Speaking of writing yourself into a corner, I love these two things. Kara decides to take the easy way out without fighting these freaking druids that are all up in the business.
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She jumps out the window and all I could think of was all like the big window scene from, uh, was it part four of Friday the 13th has the spectacular jumping out the window shit or being thrown out the window. Oh man.
And then everything goes black. Yeah, so when the cult of Thorne show up, that's pretty much when this movie goes off the rails for me. Yep.
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she's thrown out a window and we see her on the ground and then we see Loomis and Tommy talking and it's like this is the sort of trick you pull in a television show.
But this is a film. Yeah. And it's important that we see what happened. No. You know? And do not do that. Because...
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This is also where it changes and the producers cut. So even back in the 90s when I saw this, I could tell there's something missing here. Something's wrong. Because this is...
weird. It's a weird edit. It's a weird... It's not a weird visual edit. It's a weird story edit. Because Tommy and Loomis wake up and they're both like...
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Why do I feel like this? We've been drugged. Why didn't they just kill us? I don't know. They need us for something. Sure they do. I mean, right? Sure they do. It's awful. I love it. I would marry this scene. No, I mean, I think it's great, but it's also...
What are y'all doing? It's sloppy. Yeah. It's also fricking test audiences screwing shit up. So. Where is she? Where's Kara? I feel like I've been drugged.
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We have been drugged. Why are they doing this? Why didn't they just kill us? It's his game. And I know where he wants to play it.
Now we all go to Smith's Grove. Now we're running around in the long, creepy hallways underneath Smith's Grove and all the hospital stuff.
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love that we end up in a weird creepy hospital just like halloween 2 i think um brad you might be a fan of that one i am a fan of halloween 2 yes sir
I think it's an excellent sequel. Me too, me too. It is also a film that's got a different edit, oddly enough. Sure, sure. We get Tommy Doyle running around and meeting...
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um this uh this crazy woman who's one of the patients of smith grove who has been stabbed by michael and he has the best response to her she goes how does it feel to be damned
And it reveals that she's been stabbed by Michael Myers. And he just goes, oh, shit. He ends up rescuing. Kara wakes up locked in a room.
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Who knows what nefarious purposes they're going to use her for. Maybe making some more druid babies later. You never know.
But as Tommy is trying to break her out of this room with a fire extinguisher breaking the doorknob, he finally comes face to face with his childhood meanie, Michael Myers, coming down the hall. And man.
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His brain breaks when he sees Michael for the first time in all this time. It's so good. Yep. That Paul Rudd is going places. I'm telling you.
And then I wrote in my notes, more like Laurie Strobe, am I right? Yes, because it turns into this dance party. Yes, the Druids and Dr. Nguyen have little baby Steven.
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And they're about to do some kind of ritual with him. I have no idea what. Lots of medical equipment. All the doctors and nurses. Dr. Wynn's got his custom red.
operating uniform, like he's friend fricking, uh, dead ringers or something. Uh-huh. And, uh, yeah, Michael. Everyone else is in white. Nope. Michael's not down with it. And if Michael's not down with it.
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No one's down with it. He slaughters them. That's where you get all the strobe effect. It's fun. It is fun. We get lots of creepy medical imagery. We get...
Babies in jars and stillborn things and various chemicals which will be used to subdue Michael as best as possible.
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And then to protect the baby and to protect Danny, Tommy and Kara team up on Michael Myers and beat his butt. Boy. It's so funny. I just love it. It is a concerted effort.
Yeah, no, I love it. I love it where Tommy injects him with like 16 syringes of stuff. It finally gets to him, sort of. And then...
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That's over pretty much. Yeah. They just beat him up for a while. Yeah. So they beat on him and then, uh, they get out of there and then there's a shot and Tommy and Kara.
And the boy, Danny, in a Jeep. And Dr. Lewis is standing outside of it. They're like, well, you sure you won't come with us? And he's like, no, I've got something to do.
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And that's something to do was to go inside and scream. Yep. And then the end. Off camera. Oh, man. Sloppy, sloppy.
You could tell then also there was something missing. Yep. It has been, I think we've been watching the theatrical version for a few years, honestly. Sure. It's been a little while since I've seen the producers.
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If I remember correctly, it ends with they passed on the curse of Thorne, which was Michael Myers, to Dr. Loomis.
Yep. Which seems like a terrible idea. It's the future. This 78-year-old man.
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So that didn't work out either, obviously. No, no. And so I think the theatrical is probably, you should watch both. Yeah, absolutely. I think the theatrical is...
First of all, I was amazed when this got a release. This got an official release on DVD and then it got an official release on Blu-ray and then it's in the box set. Can't complain there. No, I just...
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I had seen the footage. You'd seen the footage everybody had on YouTube and it's impossible to watch the footage that they had from the work print. It's just real crappy looking. Yeah.
So, hey, they listened to the consumers, and hey, guess what? People bought it. So the mere fact that they put it out is amazing in itself. I agree.
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So we've got some other crew here real quick before we jump all the way into the trivia. We've got cinematographer Billy Dixon who shot Grotesque from 1987, a very silly movie with Linda Blair.
Then he made a bunch of made-for-TV movies. And then Ally McBeal and One Tree Hill were his claim to fame. He shot a lot of episodes of those masterpieces. Wow.
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Yep. That's why it looks so good. Yeah, dude. I mean, this and Ally McBeal, absolute masterpieces. No doubt.
The composers, plural, there's Alan Howarth, of course, the legend of the franchise. I love him. The man. So good. There was some dispute over which... of his music ended up in the movie uh another composer called paul rob johns which sounds like a made-up name um it does
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His horror claim to fame was he was the composer on Children of the Corn Five, Fields of Terror. Classic. But yeah, folks, all of Alan Howard's music is on YouTube if you want to hear it separate from the movie. It's wonderful.
I don't pay for it at all. The editor is Randy Bricker, which just sounds like someone who shits a lot to me.
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Sorry. Sorry, Mr. Bricker. You're wonderful. I just couldn't resist the joke. He edited Hellraiser Bloodline, everyone's favorite Hellraiser sequel. Which one is that? The one in space. Oh, yeah. I saw that one.
We'll be coming back. We have a little detail about that. We'll come back to that later. He also edited Phantoms from 1998, the Dean R. Kuntz novel.
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Same year, he edited Bride of Chucky, so he kind of redeems himself with some horror fans with the wonderful Bride of Chucky. Wow. This was filmed all over Salt Lake City. Have you ever been to Utah for your work, Brad?
I've been through Utah, yes. I have seen the Salt Flats. Oh, cool. Yeah, I've been there for something with my family, probably to go to a national park or something. Very nice.
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All right, folks. I'm going to try to do this fast and loose, folks. There's a lot of trivia. This is one-eighth of the trivia or less about this film. First up, we got the alternate titles from different countries.
The Danish title translates to Night of the Masks Part 6. Very nice. In Mandarin, the title translates to Black Horror Night, which I think is misleading. Applicable.
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Yep, sort of. Okay. There's no black people in this movie, but that's fine. Well, maybe they're not black as in dark. I know. I was being silly. In Portuguese, the title is...
Halloween, The Last Revenge. Ooh. it's like there's been other revenges but this is the last revenge exactly in Japanese the title translates to Halloween the final battle interesting
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In Turkish, the title translates to Death Scream. That's weak. Finally, my favorite. In Vietnamese, the title of this movie is
Carnival of Horrors 6, The Killer Curse. Wow. Wow. Oh, boy. Good dog. Okay.
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So after Halloween 5, Mustafa Akkad wanted to wait to make another Halloween because Halloween 5 was so poorly received. What he didn't expect was the rights lapsed during this time.
So before he could work on Halloween 6, he had to fight for the ownership of the movie with John Carpenter, who was being backed by Bob Shea of New Line Cinema for the rights.
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Akkad teamed up with the Wienersteins. Oh, sorry, Weinsteins. And of course, Akkad won the bidding war. The wrong people won. What can you say?
Yes, that is absolutely right. But John Carpenter wanted to have Michael Myers stalking and killing people on a space station. That'd be all right with me. Yeah, Mustafa Akkad.
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insist that john carpenter wasn't joking about sending michael myers to space i love it yeah uh the script went through 11 drafts which i think is a low number i think it went through more than that yeah like
18 at least. No joke. So here's the list of directors that were supposed to work on this. Brace yourself. First up, we have got...
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Fred Walton, who did When a Stranger Calls and April Fool's Day. Acceptable. Acceptable. This job was also offered to Peter Jackson. He turned it down.
Yeah, probably wise move on his part. Yep, they asked Quentin Tarantino if he wanted to write this movie, and he suggested that they use Scott Spiegel, rest in peace, just passed away.
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of evil dead 2 and intruder fame scott spiegel took one look at the screenplay and said oh i need to do a page one rewrite and they said no thanks so he got bumped
Someone volunteered to do this movie. Jeff Burr, who directed Stepfather 2, Leatherface, a.k.a. Turner Classic Movies. Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Three. Um, he also directed pumpkin head two and multiple puppet master sequels, but he didn't get the gig. Wow.
The director of Hider in the House, starring Gary Busey, Mr. Matthew Patrick, was also supposed to direct. And finally, finally, my favorite potential director, Brad, are you ready for this?
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I am ready. Do you know who Mustafa Akkad wanted the whole time from the beginning? Who? Michele Sawavi. Wow. I was not ready.
Because of the rights issues and Michele Soave not really wanting to do the movie, it ended up not working out. Well, that's what happens when you don't want to make a movie. That's terrible shame.
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So Wavi's situation has been, it kind of, it's kind of been like the end of Italian horror in a way. Yeah. Yeah. When he walked away from the genre, it really, it really hurt things, but where could he go? He'd already done.
What he wanted to do, you know? Yeah, he didn't have a sick kid. He did, yeah. Very rough. He's still working, I think. But yeah, he took a long time off. Yeah, I think he's doing TV. Yeah.
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Here's some other little fun things. Danielle Harris wanted to return as Jamie, but cheap ass Dimension Films refused to pay her five grand that she wanted. So she just like, forget it. I'm out of here.
I mean, I've got nothing against that other actress, but I don't even consider that to be Jamie Lloyd. Yeah, I like that other lady, but it's like one of those things that would have been so perfect. Daniel Harris has proved to be just, you know, great scream queen.
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Yeah. Of course, Donald Pleasance passed away before all the reshoots could start. They'd use a body double. Director for Mr. Farans wanted Christopher Lee to play win, but that just didn't work out. Of course.
John Carpenter wanted Christopher Lee to play Loomis originally. Yep. The jerk didn't take it. Nope.
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The budget for this film was slashed by $1 million before they started to prepare for Hellraiser Bloodline.
The studio was betting that Bloodline was going to be a bigger movie, which was not true because this tripled its $5 million budget at the box office.
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Wow. This had the largest opening weekend out of the entire Halloween series until Halloween 2018. Wow. That's cool. Yeah.
One of the things that caused all the problems was a test audience of quote unquote 14 year old boys eviscerated the film, especially the Celtic ritual rune ending, which we see in the producer's cut. Well.
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Why are they screen testing 14-year-old boys? That's what they said. It probably was an exaggeration. I don't know. I would love to go into all the differences between the two versions, but we'd be here for six hours.
Brad, any other feels about this movie you want to tell me about? Yeah, so I was 16 when it came out, so that's a time of life that's supposed to be one of the better parts of your life.
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I do look back on it now with fondness. That probably gives it points from me that maybe others would not be so inclined to give.
They mentioned the Myers House being on Lampkin Lane, and there's a Lampkin Lane here in Bowling Green. Cool. That's where they got that title. So even as late as this, they're still drawing.
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references to the warren county area of course you see uh smith grove san antonio san antonio smith grove sanitarium warren county so it's it's it's just neat
Paul Rudd filmed this first, but Clueless came out before this. So this is technically, it's not his film debut, but it would have been had they released it on schedule.
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before they let the 14-year-old boys hack it up. Donald Pleasance is sort of in it.
The scene of his that I like the most is probably his first scene where they're there at his house when Wynn comes to visit. And the radio's like, I heard Dr.
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loomis is dead and he's like not dead yet and he tells yeah he tells win and he's like you know it's foolish to try to play halloween pranks on me
The whole idea of Dr. Loomis living out in the country somewhere in a nice little cottage where he could read and apparently listen to Barry. Write his memoirs. Yeah, it really appeals to me.
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I think that's probably the way he should have gone out. I mean, in this theatrical version, it's true. He goes back in and you just hear him scream. And what he's screaming is, is the scream is actually because he has been passed.
the curse of thorn which again like we talked about it was a strategic error part of the cult of thorn i find the movie very stylish as far as things go it's very colorful it looks great on blu-ray totally
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It's really got a great, I think, great Halloween atmosphere. It's not one of the, probably not one of the better ones, but what it's got going for it, it really has going for it, which is its Halloween atmosphere, I think.
It's nice visual palette and the nudity. Yeah, totally. But I dig it. I dig the movie. I understand why people don't. It is disjointed. But now I see it as part of its charm.
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nice what say you sir well i watched this later like i didn't see this until i was getting back into horror movies and really loving
just revisiting old slashers and stuff and filling in the gaps in my movie fandom of this genre. And I thought six was okay. It was different than I expected. Obviously it was different than what everybody expected.
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But the next viewing I had, which might have been during the Michael Myers-a-thon, was this got me to finally watch Jason Goes to Hell, which I'd avoided for years.
And now I love both. I love both of these movies. In fact, when I reach for a Halloween movie, we watch all of them every year, but there's three movies that I get really excited about in this franchise. Part five, this.
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And Resurrection. You know me very well, sir. Those are my three favorites. I know you very well. I don't think they're better than the first movie and the second movie and the third movie. I don't think they're better. It's just something about...
these three films especially this one very comforting and like we talked about i love you for that oh thank you sir i love you too the producer's cut i don't like as much as this
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Sure. I do like it, though. I'm really glad we have it, like we talked about, that we're spoiled having that. That's too cool. But this one has all the Halloween-y feels. It's lovely to look at.
The grunge movie. I love secret grunge movies. I think Michael's mask in this is almost good. It looks cool. They tried to age it. So it looks like he like.
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It's almost aging like a human face would age. Yeah. But they made the mask too big as people have complained about.
And I kind of agree with that too. He looks a little silly. He looks less crazy than he does in both seven and eight. And in eight, I really think they were trying to make him look.
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like a black guy. Like he, he looks, what is this mask? What were they going for? Very different, very different cultural icons. And don't forget, as you say, every sequel is good. Yeah.
Once you're past part five, all sequels are good. Mm-hmm. And I was explaining to somebody today that there was 13 of these movies. Wow. Yeah, there's eight original.
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and then two Rob Zombies, and then three of the new trilogy. It's like, holy crap, how did we get here? Here's the thing. I think the Cult of Thorne, I think it's kind of stupid. Yep. But...
they tried something different and i have to applaud them for it because people are like try something different and people do and they're like we hate that go back to the original yeah and then they make the
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They make a remake that's shot for shot the same, and they're like, do something original. Yeah. And hey, I'm nitpicky, you know, like different franchises. Oh, sure.
I can't stand Jason X. I don't know why. I should love it. It just does not click with me at all. I would rather re-watch Jason Takes Manhattan.
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I'd rather rewatch Jason Goes to Hell. Jason X's Don't Float My Boat, whereas Leprechaun in Space is a masterpiece. Jason X is like, it's filmed like Hercules and Xena.
It's filmed in that sort of format. And I think that may be part of it. It's just it looks cheap. Yeah, totally.
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Last thing is this movie, this cut is 87 minutes. You're in, you're out, you're done. I love it. It's brilliant. Just do it. I usually wish movies would be shorter.
So this works out great. I always wish a movie. Yeah. I looked at it last night. No kidding. And we've not talked about this. I put the disc in and when it came on.
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The first thing I did was hit display so I could see how long it was, and I'm like an hour 28. Boom. Let's go. Yeah, let's do this. Oh, man, Bradwell, do you feel...
Do you feel certifiably spooky by our discussion? I do. I do. I hope everyone has a great Halloween. Hell yeah. All three of you that are listening to this Halloween 6 episode.
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Hell yeah. This is going to be a fan favorite. I know it. I don't know if I performed as well tonight as I had in the last, what, two times. We'll see. Well, here, say your famous catchphrase.
That you've been known for forever. And I'll drop it in all over the episode. So people are like, whoa.
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I was hoping that you were thinking of some other catchphrase and I'd catch you off guard and you would go, no, something, something, something. And I'd be like, oh yeah, I remember that.
It didn't work out that way. No, you say a lot of things. Like, is it any count? Is it any count? It's the day of the show, y'all. Oh, you're on a... gravy train with biscuit wheels you're on a gravy train with biscuit wheels that's right and that means you're you're doing very well in life
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But how much better could you be if you were on a gravy train with biscuit wheels? But now it's going to be a, because it's Halloween, it's a corn candy train with...
what would be the wheels jack-o'-lantern wheels jack-o'-lantern wheels yeah pumpkin wheels that's right candy corn train with pumpkin wheels happy halloween folks and
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We'll see you soon. Bye. Goodbye.
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Pitches on broomsticks are up to their tricks. And poltergeists wail to the moon.
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Which looks like a silver balloon Frankenstein's monster is having a ball
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Welcome to Hello, This is the Doomed Show. I am Richard. I am Brad. Welcome. Good evening. To Good Evening, the Spooky Men are here.
Brad is changing his name to Mitchell Myers. Mitchell Myers. And I am changing my name to Howard Myers, the lesser known Michael. Or whatever.
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The lesser done Michael Howard. Folks. You know, I think it would, I mean, would you be afraid of a guy named Howard? Yes. I don't think I would be. Howie. Especially.
If he had the rubber glove on his head and he was blowing it up like a balloon. Well, there's two ways it can go if you're a grown-up and you let everybody call you Howie. What is good and what is bad. Yep.
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Both are just named Howie. Howdy. Howdy. Folks, we're talking about Halloween colon The Curse of Michael Myers from 1995. We're going to spoil this thing and for you.
concerned parents out there uh we are talking about the theatrical version everybody hates this movie no one's gonna listen to this oh yeah
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They don't care what we do. But no, we just decided to talk about the theatrical cut this time because I think it was both like we were due for watching this version maybe.
I think that's sort of what we decided. So we're not going to completely leave out discussion of the producer's cut, the infamous producer's cut, but we're also not going to go into...
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The Megaton level of detail. Folks, if you know the Taking Shape books, parts one and two, if you are a Halloween fan or thinking about...
Becoming a Halloween fan, read Taking Shape and Taking Shape 2. Man, they will fill your life with more Michael Mayers than you ever wanted. Man, Lanny bought me both editions.
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They really entertain some ridiculously outlandish ideas. Boy, howdy. I laughed because Tyler got me the first book. Thank you, Tyler. Good on you, Tyler.
And I could not resist. I had to get the second one for myself. It's just they're so fun. Oh, my God. So we're not going to read from the book. We're going to miss a lot of details.
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Folks, when you see how much just on this one movie, because of its two versions, this shit is crazy. It really is.
And then the whole second book talks about the, the versions we never got of this movie too. So yeah. Oh, so good. I have never been so happy to read.
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someone else summarize a screenplay and just feel like i'm reading like uh not sexy fan fiction uh-huh because do you ever just read a screenplay like for fun
no i have never i i've never been able to do it like i've read some scenes before but i've never been able to be like ah let me light some candles and
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Put on my smoking jacket and just sit here and read a screenplay. I'm just going to... What are you doing tonight? Reading a screenplay. It's never happened to me.
Oh, man. This movie was directed by Joe Chappelle. He later directed Phantoms and The Skulls 2.
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Which, after how ridiculous the first Skulls movie is, I can only imagine what Skulls 2 must be like. Oh my god. I am not familiar with Skulls.
Film franchise. But I'm open to it. Yeah. I recommend the first one. It's very cheesy. It's very cheesy. I love very cheesy. And then he went on to be a producer and director of The Wire. And I know that's a beloved show.
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Indeed. I have never seen a single episode. I've seen some crazy clips from it, though. Yeah, Baltimore shithole. Wow. I mean, I've seen a lot of Baltimore thanks to John.
john waters so i believe it yeah so you can cut that out if you want or not i'm not cutting that out uh so i've been to baltimore multiple times i bought drugs from the wire
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Nice. So, according to Am I... According to... Okay, cheese. Stop it. You're distracting the shit out of me. Out of the box. Out of the box. According to the FBI...
This cat is amazing. Okay. So according to IMDB, this was written by Deborah Hill and John Carpenter. That doesn't sound right. I think they forgot the characters in parentheses. Very nice.
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But then this has one screenwriter. We're going to talk about 10 different screenwriters tonight. But Daniel Ferraz. And this guy went on to direct many, many, many horror movie documentaries.
Yeah, he did. As well as he wrote and directed some serial killer movies, like some adaptations of real serial killer lives.
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And shout out to Simon. He directed something called Rave, Dancing to a Different Beat, which I watched the trailer, and I think, Simon, you and I would definitely discuss this movie. Really? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
I'm going to drop the teaser trailer in here for this beautiful movie. I believe, yeah, this is going to be the curse of Michael Myers' title. The first title was the... the 666 title yeah they of course changed it immediately before it came out every legend is based on fact every myth
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is grounded in truth. For 17 years, the town of Haddonfield, Illinois has been haunted.
By a night when evil roamed the streets And a madman ruled the night Everyone knows his name
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Now everyone will know the truth. I knew what he was, but I never knew why.
Of Michael Myers. And there was the teaser trailer for that. Now I'm going to read from the Miramax VHS or the Dimension. I think it's the Dimension VHS.
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Same thing, though, really. Boy, howdy. The tagline is, true terror never dies. And it says...
For pulse-pounding suspense and relentless thrills, nothing can match Halloween, The Curse of Michael Myers, the newest and most frightening chapter in the chilling Halloween series.
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In a single horrifying night, Michael Myers' masked reign of terror changed Halloween forever. Now, six years later, after he was presumed dead in a fire, Myers has returned to kill again.
And this time, there's no escape. As the homicidal fury builds to a spine-tingling climax, the long-hidden secrets of the screen's most maniacal murderer are revealed.
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With shocking results. Some of that was not factual. Color. 87 minutes-ish. Ish. Was there a fire at the end of...
Part five, there was an explosion, and then the police station was shot up. Was the police station on fire, though? Well, that's the question. Continuity, people. Get in here.
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You know, there are people out there that are like, Debra Hill and John Carpenter wrote Halloween 1, 2, and 6. Sure, sure. Based on IMDb. And they're arguing. That's right. I just think that's amazing.
We're going to talk about – later we'll talk about what John Carpenter wanted to do with this movie. Oh, boy. So we're going to talk about some of the cast. These are some of our main characters here.
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We've got good old Donald Pleasance playing Dr. Loomis back at it again for his final time. Did you say it, Krispy Kreme? I said Krispy Kreme. Yeah, I love it. Thank you.
Back at it again at Krispy Kreme. Paul Rudd is grown up Tommy Doyle. He never worked again after this. Very sad. Oh, yeah. Introducing the guy we already met. Stephen. Oh, Stephen. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah.
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Good news. This is for Brad. When my phone mutes you off and on, do you know that it's doing that? Uh...
Yes. So in case you were wondering why I'm talking over you, Brad, I swear to God, I don't know you're talking until I start talking. And when I start talking, it unmutes you. Hmm. It's the same thing that Google does to me when I'm talking to Mark.
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Over Google Meet. It's great. So I apologize in advance. I'm actually, you have cut out on me was what I thought you were getting at. Oh.
So I've had to use context clues a time or two. Okay. Well, if you ever need me to just say something again, just let me know. We'll do it again. I'll text you.
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So next up, we've got Marianne Hagen as Kara Strode. She would go on to be in Steakland from 2010. Yeah.
That was a big movie when it came out. Horror fans went crazy over Steakland. I saw it. I don't remember being over the moon about it. It was good. It was on par with 30 Days of Night, I thought.
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Oh, well, I really like 30 Days of Night. Yeah. Maybe it's time to revisit that Stanklandia. Maybe so. Next up, we've got Mitchell Ryan, who plays Dr. Wynn. He's a winner. Yeah.
He goes back to Dark Shadows. Oh, I know. Yes. So Mitchell Ryan, 107 episodes, which is nothing. That's like a month and a half.
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Dude, it's crazy. Soap operas always blow my mind. I love it. I think they're the greatest actors in the world because they're filming constantly. Every day. All that dialogue they're going to memorize.
His claim to fame was in Lethal Weapon, of course. Sure. And then he was in Liar Liar and Gross Point Blank the same year. Wow.
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And in a possibly future upcoming episode of Hello, There's a Doom show, he was in A Reflection of Fear from 1972. Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Next up, we got...
Kim Darby as the long-suffering Deborah Strode, the matriarch of this family. Outside of Donald Plissett, she might have been the most famous. Yeah, yeah.
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she's in true grit and she's in gargoyles i think don't be afraid of the dark yeah not gargoyles don't be afraid of the dark yeah there you go i've still never seen gargoyles i've always wanted to i uh
I totally slept through it the first time, so I've never really seen it. But yeah, I know her best from Better Off Dead. Oh, is she John Cusack's mom? Yep. Nice. I quote her all the time. French dressing. French bread.
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And to drink Peru. I haven't seen that in a long time. That's the one where, is that the one where he owes the kids money for money? Two dollars. Yep. Yes.
It's the paper boy. Oh, Savage Steve Holland, did it? Yeah, man. Masterpiece. I remember things. Yeah. She was also in Teen Wolf 2. Well. Hmm.
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They paid her. Yeah. I hope she invested that money. Yeah. Next up, we've got the awful, awful father of the family.
Played by Bradford English. He plays John Strode. Yep. Good actor. Very good actor. Dude. He was in every TV show ever. Look at his career on IMDb.
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Like one episode stops on everything. It's really fun. Yeah. So a really strong character actor. He plays an awful person in this. Boy, howdy.
Keith Bogart is Tim Stroh. Didn't really recognize him from other things. But he's our grunge boy. He's grunging it up in his grunge wardrobe. I love how this movie was made.
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like right after grunge was the biggest thing ever. And then they waited another two years before they finished it. So grunge was so out by 95.
We were already in a horrible post-grunge death spiral. It was the glam. The glam was back. That's what everybody was doing. Yeah. And let's see. Next up, we got Mare...
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Mariah O'Brien as Beth. She's our love interest to the Tim Strode. This lady was the crying woman.
In the Ozzy Osbourne No More Tears music video. Really? Which made my brain explode. Because I had seen that video 300,000 times. That was peak MTV for me.
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That album actually was one that I got for a penny or whatever through Columbia or B&G, that album. Nice. That's great.
I've seen that video, but I can't place her in it. I'll have to watch it now. Oh, you won't be able to miss her when you watch it. She was also in some music videos for Red Cross and Afghan Wigs.
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Ooh, Red Cross. Yeah, dude. Power Pop favorites. Yeah, I love Red Cross. Next up, we've got the one, the only, Barry Sims, played by Leo Geter.
He is our shock jock. He is our shock jock. Brad, do you know what horror movie, what slasher movie Leo Getter was in when he was a young man? Sleepaway camp.
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Close. He was in Silent Night, Deadly Night. He is the kid. He's the blonde kid. He's the one who's with Linnea Quigley.
They're trying to make out. Okay. She's supposed to be watching her little sister or babysitting or something. Something. Yep. Yep. Mr. Pool Table. I'll have to pay attention next time I watch it.
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Yeah, dude. Next up, we've got J.C. Brandy as Jamie Lloyd. This actress, she's not Danielle Harris, no matter how you squint. She doesn't look like her at all. No, and if you're not paying attention, you might not think.
You might not know who she is. Right. This actress kicked around for a while. I know her best as a supporting role in Devil in the Flesh, starring Rose McGowan.
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It's a drama thriller something movie. I don't know. We got George P. Wilbur playing The Shape. Yep. His last role ever. Aw. He's dead now.
He is dead now. He's slashing up there in the heaven. That's right, that's right. All right, we'll come back to the crew after we talk about this plot, which we're going to jump around in. We're not going to do it scene by scene here.
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like i said spoilers if you haven't seen this movie yet and you totally should let's go team theatrical the movie opens up and i'm gonna sing this this first part brad are you ready i'm ready
Childbirth is painful. It brings on many tunnels. And I can see my baby in the arms of a nurse. There were a lot of tunnels.
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A lot of tunnels. So Jamie Lloyd, a.k.a. Jamie Strode, is given birth. There's a lot of screaming, a lot of very stylish.
Speaking of music video, music video looking edits going on and she's screaming and screaming. And I just imagined what people were thinking in a theater going to see this movie and just hearing this lady's blood curdling screams and bleeding all over the place.
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What or how it's got anything to do with Halloween. Yep. Yep. Is she giving birth to Michael? So, so who is, who do you think the father is of this, this, this, this Steven child?
It's Michael, right? I've always assumed it's Michael. Yeah. That is not the only incest. There's apparently some, what would you call it?
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sneaky incest later that i'd never thought of until i read someone's take on a certain pair of characters my brain exploded we'll get to that when we get to that so yes she gives birth to this baby and uh she's immediately um
taken away from this baby or the baby's taken away from her uh meanwhile we got um paul rudd spooky narrator uh narrating and i wrote in my notes that um naked babies and druids scare me
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As they should. Then Jamie escapes. Nurse Mary, who's the only nice person that works at the Thorn Corporation. We'll talk about Thorn in a minute. She...
Or the Thorn group. I don't know. She helps her escape. And she gets killed Lucio Fulci style. Michael picks up this nurse and slams her head into a convenient spike on the wall, like in the beyond. Yep. Love it.
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And then we cut to Danny, our little Danny Strode. He's our little boy. And Giallo Man is talking to him. He's commanding him to kill. Boy, howdy. Oh, my God.
Love this. I love this. I mean, it is. I think it's the Cult of Thorne. I think that's what they call it. That's what they call it, yeah. You'd think with the books I've read of all this stuff, I'd remember that.
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it's it's it's thorn and sons yeah yeah i mean i got the thorn tattoo i guess i should uh i guess i should bone up on my stuff right yeah no one's gonna call you on it no one cares uh we get to see
We get to hear our pal Barry Sims. He's our shock jock radio. And as Jamie is escaping, she's listening to this radio, driving down the rainy highway as Michael chases her. Meanwhile, the commentators are talking about...
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Whatever happened to that Dr. Loomis guy? I heard he died. And then Donald Pleasant shows up and proves that he had died. Right. But the estate was collecting a paycheck.
It's so sad. It's very sad. He sounds terrible. But you know what? He's running on his love for work. There were reshoots for this movie, and he was gonna come back.
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for the reshoots like he was like literally making plans you know out in europe he was like resting in france or something and he's gonna come back and do those reshoots and he just he passed away he really wanted to do it
Yeah, I'm sure he did. He was a professional. And he cared about this character and he cared about this franchise. I just love how Halloween gave him a second career and an important one. Absolutely.
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You think about the movies he was doing by the mid-70s, and it was like the last gasp of Hammer and the last gasp of Amicus stuff he would show up in.
His daughters, man, they were starting to act. Was it just one of his daughters as an actress? Just the one, Angela. Okay, the most wonderful.
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An ethereal being. Yes. Our pal Jamie makes it to the most important bus station. I wrote in my notes, this is the most important bus station scene since.
And I put in brackets here, movie reference. Movie reference. I think you're right. And the bus line, when you can see the stops on the bus, Smith's Grove is one of them.
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Nice, nice. And Dwight is in Illinois. Our friend Heather, she was from Dwight. Oh, cool.
So it's a real Illinois bus stop, but then I just throw Smith Grove in there. Nice. Jamie manages to make a phone call into the radio station to the shock jock because she hears Tommy Doyle.
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giving his opinions on what Michael Myers has been up to. And she manages to yell over the thing to get the attention of a good old Donald Pleasance who's in hiding, but you know, keeping up with the local radio shock jock scene.
As old men often do. It's like when you pull up at a stoplight and someone is listening to talk radio at a deafening volume. And it's like the voices are shaking their car and like...
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hurting your ears and you get all mad at him and then you go oh wait that guy's probably just hard of hearing yeah he's probably just deaf he's not actively trying to share no he's not trying to be a dick oh boy
Lori takes off, Michael in pursuit, and she goes to a farm. I always think this is the same farm where a bunch of people got killed in Halloween 5. I assume it is. Yeah, why not?
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The land's cursed. Damn right. Michael gets her and slams her onto some...
Farming equipment that looks very sharp and dangerous. That is how he's killed people every movie. That's his trademark is the farm equipment. Ran over somebody with a tractor. Yep, yep.
I'm underlining farm equipment in my notes many times, folks at home. Oh, yeah. Farm equipment. She tells him right before she gets gotten in the most brutal way possible, getting ripped apart by farm equipment.
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then he'll never have the baby and he goes and sure enough he the baby is now a swath wrapped in swaddling is it swaddling clothes it's just some paper towels
Swaddling. Yep. Which, hey, he was excited because this was the pandemic when they shot this and paper towels were expensive, bro. Yeah, like he's the father and the uncle. Of paper towels. The fun uncle.
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The Funkle. I love it. The Funkle. Meanwhile, Dr. Wynn is visiting good old...
Good old Donald Pleasence's loomy boy. And telling him, hey, you ready to come back to work? And Donald Pleasence looks at him like he grew a freaking extra head. Yeah. Come back to Smith's Grove.
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What language are you speaking? I don't think so, Tim. He wants him to study Michael Myers, and he fast-forwarded a lot of plot here. Just fast-forwarding.
They end up at the crime scene where Jamie was killed the next morning and there's a giant rune burned into the hay bales. Very nice. Yeah, it's Michael taking time to let everyone know that he'd been there.
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And this is when Donald Pleasant starts to figure out that he might have a clue about what's going on. We'll get to that when we get to that. Maybe. I don't know what I'm going to do. Okay. Surprise me.
After Jamie's killed the next morning, we see the happy family scene at the Strode house. Papa Strode is an asshole.
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And he's given Kara. I wrote her name as Carol in my notes over and over again for some reason. Do you like Carol? I do like Carol.
But I like Kara too. So she's studying, she's in college and she's studying psychology and her family acts like it's this like the biggest waste you could possibly do with your time, which I don't know, maybe.
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supposedly i love all this stuff all the character stuff with uh danny and his older his older brother or older uh cousin or whatever he's supposed to be brother cousin funcle and then he
He ends up taking a sip of the stomach pounder. This kid has his own disgusting smoothie and the kid can't handle it. It's so fun. Which is from The Fog, by the way.
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Oh, yeah, the stomach pounder. Thank you for catching that. Certainly. And then they're both wearing their Barry Kicks Ass t-shirts in reference to our shock jock. I totally want a Barry Kicks Ass t-shirt and that nice...
Pumpkin orange. Beautiful, beautiful. That big block lettering. Yes. And then Dad shows up and ruins everything because he's a blowhard. He's a piece of crap.
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He smacks his daughter for mouthing off. Danny pulls a knife on him. Oh, it's great. It's just wonderful. Beth comes over. That was the 90s, kids. Yeah, dude. If you didn't pull a knife on your mean dad, what were you doing?
You weren't in the 90s. That's what you were doing. It was all that Soundgarden. They don't know how it was. Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Z, Gen C-3PO. I don't know.
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That's just it. We don't know. Beth shows up and they go to college, but on the way to college, my favorite thing ever is the fake Alice in Chains song. Oh, my God. I love it.
I love this so much. The fake Alice in Chains song is so great. And then we see some drawings. Danny, the little boy, has been drawing some thorn symbols and drawing some blood and death and everything.
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They'd have him like in jail today. Somebody would see that drawing. They're like, you're going to jail, kid. Yep. You're all washed up in this town, Danny. That's right. Right. Tim looks at the art and goes.
Oh, that's cool. Like a Beavis and Butthead impression. It's very sad.
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But Danny's got bigger problems than his drawings. What happens when Danny is walking with his pumpkin? Ah, he runs into Tommy Doyle.
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and an homage to the original Halloween film where Tommy Doyle runs into Michael and breaks his pumpkin. Yep, yep.
And it also makes this, because Tommy Doyle has been acting sus this entire time, and it makes you wonder, possibly is he Michael, or has he got something to do with this? Because he's acting weird.
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Is he another one of these thorny people? That's right. Unlike Michael Myers, he actually apologizes. He's like, sorry. Sure. I don't know if, like...
The experience, the tragedy that he went through as a child is what makes him so spaced out. Yep. And they just don't do a good job of conveying that that is why. Yeah. Because...
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It's like he's never talked to a human until the movie really gets going. Yeah, because the first time we see him, other than pacing around, is he's spying on Kara while she's...
dressing out of her beautiful robe for the night. So he's just a peeping Tom. Sure. We see how traumatized he was when he finally lays eyes on Michael later in the movie. It's one of my favorite scenes.
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That's great. Dr. Loomis shows up because he's discovered that the Strode family, the extended Strode family, has moved into Michael Myers' house.
And he gives Mrs. Strode all of the deets. Tells her all about how terrible her husband is. Because, of course, Mr. Strode, brother of the other Strode man.
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Lori's father. Lori's father. They couldn't sell the Myers house. And so somehow the whole Strode family didn't know about any of this and just moved into the Myers house. Right.
sure sure like what were they were they living in like arizona or something exactly they're just out of it yep they were on lockdown or something
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Right after Loomis leaves, she calls her husband and gives him shit for all of this. It's so good. And she tells him she's going to leave him if he won't come with her, with the whole family.
He just hangs up on her because he's a totally awesome guy. And as she's packing to get out of there, what happens to her, Brad? Very sadly, she runs into the fenced-in backyard.
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and uh michael michael gets her like it is one of the saddest deaths i think in the entire franchise because totally uh you know this woman is pretty beat down from her lunatic
husband. It's pretty sad, but she gets in in a good way. There's splatter all on a sheet. Oh, yeah. Also important is that Michael Myers kills her with his traditional trademark weapon of an axe.
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An axe. And I'm underlining the word axe several times here. I believe he does carry his trademark knife in many other scenes. Oh yes, totally. Totally.
He didn't have a hot, hot tub like Halloween 2 to catch people and stick them in. That's true. So with the baby in tow, Tommy convinces...
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Kara and Danny to come to his place because Michael Myers is going to kill everyone there. And then we see Tommy's Sisters of Mercy poster. Freak out.
Pretty bitchin'. That's pretty Brad. Danny is left alone for five minutes with the funny landlady. Uh-huh. This funny landlady. I forgot to mention her.
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She was the one, Mrs. Blankenship, she was a character that was mentioned very briefly in other films, but she apparently was...
Not doing a good job of babysitting young Michael Myers. Yeah. The night that he killed his sister. It's totally an invention of this film. Yeah.
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He had no babysitter. He was with his sister. Right, right. But I forgive it. Yeah, whatever. She tells her awesome Sam Haynes story, giving a...
Giving Danny the long, boring version of where Halloween came from. And this kid's just staring at her like he stares at everybody else. He is comatose. Yes. Yes. Come on, Danny. Say goodnight to Mrs. Blankenship.
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Good night, Mrs. Blankenship. He hears the voice, you know, just like the other boy that lived in that house. What are you talking about?
I was babysitting with him that night. Little Mikey Myers that lived across the street. And that's when the voice came. The night he murdered his sister. Michael heard a voice?
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Meanwhile, Barry Sims is in town. Apparently, Beth and Tim's plan is to get the attention of Barry.
to help the town heal and get over this boring old Michael Myers crap and start celebrating Halloween proper at the big Halloween festival, which is happening. So I guess the town's fine.
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I mean, basically, it's Footloose. We just want to dance the Moundstermash again, man. Barry Sims is a total asshole.
I wrote in my notes that he's cooler than Howard Stern, though, so I guess I accept it. I guess. I'm not a Howard Stern fan. Apparently he has listeners. I don't know. Nah. I got sick of him in the 90s.
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Speaking of the 90s, this movie. Right. Barry sucks. Barry does suck. He's not very charismatic. He's got this awful...
Delivery. And he's not a handsome fella. He's got a mustache. It's goofy. So I don't really know why he's got a following.
When we meet him, he's wearing a fedora like the man in black who's appeared earlier, Mr. Giallo. And he's got a black trench coat on and he's got boxers with like kisses on them.
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And then boots. That's all he's wearing. It's terrible. He shakes his moneymaker at the crowd and the crowd eats it up. Yep. He's rude and shitty to Beth.
And I'll drop the line of dialogue in here where he's an idiot. And then, of course, he finds out that, through Beth, that Tim lives in the Myers house. They decide to move the show to the Myers house.
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Does she get this riled up in the sack, Tim? I bet she wears crotchless panties and barks like a dog. Beth! What do you say, honey? You and me, yeah? What?
Brad, tell us about the double whammies. We get two deaths. Barry gets it and Mr. Strode gets it. Tell me about these. All right, so Mr. Strode comes home. His wife is already dead.
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He doesn't realize that. The washer in the basement, which we have seen, which is a creepy little place, is on the fritz. He goes downstairs to check it out. Michael kills him with the electric box. He electrocutes him.
It's very satisfying. When they cut away, they cut away to an exterior shot and you see the windows there along the ground and they light up blue.
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That's another thing I wanted to mention. There's some blue tint, some blue hue, some blue gel, something in this film. And it's a nod, of course, to the original and the second one. So I appreciate that sort of stuff.
When you can homage without being flashy or calling attention upon itself. Or just being a copycat. Right. And I wrote in my notes that Michael Myers kills him.
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with, and I'm underlining this, his traditional trademark weapon, electricity. Underline that. Yeah, yeah. Yep. That's funny.
It's one of the most satisfying. Oh yeah. It's probably the most satisfying kill of the entire franchise. Cause he's just, he's just a dick wad, you know? And electricity makes his fucking head explode.
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It really does. I don't get the feeling that he is physically abusive. I do get the feeling that he is extremely emotionally abusive. He talks to his wife in a manner that is...
There's no one called for. No. I will reveal this now. This was in somebody's reading of this movie that he, the Mr. Strode, is the father of little Danny Strode that...
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Kara ran away from home because she was being sexually abused by her father. And that's why good old Mr. Strode hates Danny so much and hates her so much because they're a reminder of his guilt.
And I said, ew, but also, oh, that's not nice. Why would she come back to that? I mean, I guess she'd have to be at the end of her rope. Exactly. Exactly. Very sad.
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But what happens to Barry? So Barry walks off into this sea of vehicles, and he's on a gigantic cell phone.
He's like, we're going live from the Myers house. He's like, are you kidding tomorrow night? I don't remember what example he gives, but he's like, we'll have the whole world after tomorrow. So he gets in a news van.
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or whatever and michael myers is in it and he kills the shit out of him and it's very satisfying as well because barry's awful but you you just you're like how did michael know which van barry was going to get in
Because Barry gets into the wrong van. He even says, wait, this isn't the right van. Yeah, it's not even the right van. But I guess Michael was waiting to kill somebody else and Barry just ran across his path.
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There's this scene next of this little girl, and she's in her Halloween costume, and she's like, it's raining, it's pouring. And she's like, Mom, it's raining red. It's raining red. And...
Paul Rudd shows up and slowly his gaze goes to the sky and we look up and he's strung up with lights and he's like, is he like in a Cupid costume?
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Yeah, the little girl dressed like an angel. That's right. And Barry strung up in a tree because Michael took the time and nobody saw Michael climb this tree and then hoist his body up in the air.
And, you know, decorating. Let me see something real quick.
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Barry looked very Nicotero to me, like one of his creations. Yeah. I'm not sure who did the gore. Yeah, some people I don't recognize. But yeah, no, it's fun. I love it.
Great scene, especially back to back with the head exploding. It's so fun.
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Next, we get the tasteful lovemaking scene with Tim and Beth. They're both very horny and excited to be at the Myers house on Halloween night.
So they get romantic in Carol's bed. Carol? In Kara's bed, which is not nice. Is this the tasteful? Yeah. Tell me about it. It's classy nudity. It's not gratuitous.
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It harkens again back to the original film where it makes sense for, you know, Linda to be like, see anything you like. Yes. Because it's in its proper context. And here it is as well. So she's topless.
And so you see everything from the top up. I love the part when he gets up to leave. She goes, where are you going? He's like, I gotta go shower. And she gives him a look like, why? He's like,
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You know, got to stay fresh. You got to stay. It's one of the guys, a young guy. That's his, one of his goals is to stay fresh. It was the 90s.
As a former teenage boy in the 90s, I can attest that I was getting fresh all over the place. Folks, I have a lot of favorite lines in the Halloween franchise, and this is one of them. This is amazing.
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It's so good. This is on par with Tyra Banks making that big old fricking latte for herself in, in resurrection. I love this so much.
That's an episode that would get less listens than this one. Yes. Oh, we'll make sure that happens. Resurrection. Oh, boy. So then they get killed while...
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Kara's watching. We assume that Tim gets it in the shower just after the shower. And then, of course, Beth gets it while she's on the phone. Then frickin' Dr. Wynn reveals his true self.
to Dr. Loomis and to Tommy and to Kara and to Danny. He is the man in black. He's the one who's been sneaking in and whispering and trying to turn Danny into the next Michael Myers, I guess.
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I do, if I'm not mistaken, I do think I remember from Taking Shape that they really didn't have an answer for who the man in black was at the end of the war. They wrote themselves into a corner, sure. They sure did.
Speaking of writing yourself into a corner, I love these two things. Kara decides to take the easy way out without fighting these freaking druids that are all up in the business.
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She jumps out the window and all I could think of was all like the big window scene from, uh, was it part four of Friday the 13th has the spectacular jumping out the window shit or being thrown out the window. Oh man.
And then everything goes black. Yeah, so when the cult of Thorne show up, that's pretty much when this movie goes off the rails for me. Yep.
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she's thrown out a window and we see her on the ground and then we see Loomis and Tommy talking and it's like this is the sort of trick you pull in a television show.
But this is a film. Yeah. And it's important that we see what happened. No. You know? And do not do that. Because...
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This is also where it changes and the producers cut. So even back in the 90s when I saw this, I could tell there's something missing here. Something's wrong. Because this is...
weird. It's a weird edit. It's a weird... It's not a weird visual edit. It's a weird story edit. Because Tommy and Loomis wake up and they're both like...
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Why do I feel like this? We've been drugged. Why didn't they just kill us? I don't know. They need us for something. Sure they do. I mean, right? Sure they do. It's awful. I love it. I would marry this scene. No, I mean, I think it's great, but it's also...
What are y'all doing? It's sloppy. Yeah. It's also fricking test audiences screwing shit up. So. Where is she? Where's Kara? I feel like I've been drugged.
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We have been drugged. Why are they doing this? Why didn't they just kill us? It's his game. And I know where he wants to play it.
Now we all go to Smith's Grove. Now we're running around in the long, creepy hallways underneath Smith's Grove and all the hospital stuff.
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love that we end up in a weird creepy hospital just like halloween 2 i think um brad you might be a fan of that one i am a fan of halloween 2 yes sir
I think it's an excellent sequel. Me too, me too. It is also a film that's got a different edit, oddly enough. Sure, sure. We get Tommy Doyle running around and meeting...
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um this uh this crazy woman who's one of the patients of smith grove who has been stabbed by michael and he has the best response to her she goes how does it feel to be damned
And it reveals that she's been stabbed by Michael Myers. And he just goes, oh, shit. He ends up rescuing. Kara wakes up locked in a room.
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Who knows what nefarious purposes they're going to use her for. Maybe making some more druid babies later. You never know.
But as Tommy is trying to break her out of this room with a fire extinguisher breaking the doorknob, he finally comes face to face with his childhood meanie, Michael Myers, coming down the hall. And man.
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His brain breaks when he sees Michael for the first time in all this time. It's so good. Yep. That Paul Rudd is going places. I'm telling you.
And then I wrote in my notes, more like Laurie Strobe, am I right? Yes, because it turns into this dance party. Yes, the Druids and Dr. Nguyen have little baby Steven.
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And they're about to do some kind of ritual with him. I have no idea what. Lots of medical equipment. All the doctors and nurses. Dr. Wynn's got his custom red.
operating uniform, like he's friend fricking, uh, dead ringers or something. Uh-huh. And, uh, yeah, Michael. Everyone else is in white. Nope. Michael's not down with it. And if Michael's not down with it.
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No one's down with it. He slaughters them. That's where you get all the strobe effect. It's fun. It is fun. We get lots of creepy medical imagery. We get...
Babies in jars and stillborn things and various chemicals which will be used to subdue Michael as best as possible.
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And then to protect the baby and to protect Danny, Tommy and Kara team up on Michael Myers and beat his butt. Boy. It's so funny. I just love it. It is a concerted effort.
Yeah, no, I love it. I love it where Tommy injects him with like 16 syringes of stuff. It finally gets to him, sort of. And then...
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That's over pretty much. Yeah. They just beat him up for a while. Yeah. So they beat on him and then, uh, they get out of there and then there's a shot and Tommy and Kara.
And the boy, Danny, in a Jeep. And Dr. Lewis is standing outside of it. They're like, well, you sure you won't come with us? And he's like, no, I've got something to do.
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And that's something to do was to go inside and scream. Yep. And then the end. Off camera. Oh, man. Sloppy, sloppy.
You could tell then also there was something missing. Yep. It has been, I think we've been watching the theatrical version for a few years, honestly. Sure. It's been a little while since I've seen the producers.
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If I remember correctly, it ends with they passed on the curse of Thorne, which was Michael Myers, to Dr. Loomis.
Yep. Which seems like a terrible idea. It's the future. This 78-year-old man.
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So that didn't work out either, obviously. No, no. And so I think the theatrical is probably, you should watch both. Yeah, absolutely. I think the theatrical is...
First of all, I was amazed when this got a release. This got an official release on DVD and then it got an official release on Blu-ray and then it's in the box set. Can't complain there. No, I just...
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I had seen the footage. You'd seen the footage everybody had on YouTube and it's impossible to watch the footage that they had from the work print. It's just real crappy looking. Yeah.
So, hey, they listened to the consumers, and hey, guess what? People bought it. So the mere fact that they put it out is amazing in itself. I agree.
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So we've got some other crew here real quick before we jump all the way into the trivia. We've got cinematographer Billy Dixon who shot Grotesque from 1987, a very silly movie with Linda Blair.
Then he made a bunch of made-for-TV movies. And then Ally McBeal and One Tree Hill were his claim to fame. He shot a lot of episodes of those masterpieces. Wow.
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Yep. That's why it looks so good. Yeah, dude. I mean, this and Ally McBeal, absolute masterpieces. No doubt.
The composers, plural, there's Alan Howarth, of course, the legend of the franchise. I love him. The man. So good. There was some dispute over which... of his music ended up in the movie uh another composer called paul rob johns which sounds like a made-up name um it does
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His horror claim to fame was he was the composer on Children of the Corn Five, Fields of Terror. Classic. But yeah, folks, all of Alan Howard's music is on YouTube if you want to hear it separate from the movie. It's wonderful.
I don't pay for it at all. The editor is Randy Bricker, which just sounds like someone who shits a lot to me.
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Sorry. Sorry, Mr. Bricker. You're wonderful. I just couldn't resist the joke. He edited Hellraiser Bloodline, everyone's favorite Hellraiser sequel. Which one is that? The one in space. Oh, yeah. I saw that one.
We'll be coming back. We have a little detail about that. We'll come back to that later. He also edited Phantoms from 1998, the Dean R. Kuntz novel.
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Same year, he edited Bride of Chucky, so he kind of redeems himself with some horror fans with the wonderful Bride of Chucky. Wow. This was filmed all over Salt Lake City. Have you ever been to Utah for your work, Brad?
I've been through Utah, yes. I have seen the Salt Flats. Oh, cool. Yeah, I've been there for something with my family, probably to go to a national park or something. Very nice.
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All right, folks. I'm going to try to do this fast and loose, folks. There's a lot of trivia. This is one-eighth of the trivia or less about this film. First up, we got the alternate titles from different countries.
The Danish title translates to Night of the Masks Part 6. Very nice. In Mandarin, the title translates to Black Horror Night, which I think is misleading. Applicable.
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Yep, sort of. Okay. There's no black people in this movie, but that's fine. Well, maybe they're not black as in dark. I know. I was being silly. In Portuguese, the title is...
Halloween, The Last Revenge. Ooh. it's like there's been other revenges but this is the last revenge exactly in Japanese the title translates to Halloween the final battle interesting
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In Turkish, the title translates to Death Scream. That's weak. Finally, my favorite. In Vietnamese, the title of this movie is
Carnival of Horrors 6, The Killer Curse. Wow. Wow. Oh, boy. Good dog. Okay.
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So after Halloween 5, Mustafa Akkad wanted to wait to make another Halloween because Halloween 5 was so poorly received. What he didn't expect was the rights lapsed during this time.
So before he could work on Halloween 6, he had to fight for the ownership of the movie with John Carpenter, who was being backed by Bob Shea of New Line Cinema for the rights.
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Akkad teamed up with the Wienersteins. Oh, sorry, Weinsteins. And of course, Akkad won the bidding war. The wrong people won. What can you say?
Yes, that is absolutely right. But John Carpenter wanted to have Michael Myers stalking and killing people on a space station. That'd be all right with me. Yeah, Mustafa Akkad.
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insist that john carpenter wasn't joking about sending michael myers to space i love it yeah uh the script went through 11 drafts which i think is a low number i think it went through more than that yeah like
18 at least. No joke. So here's the list of directors that were supposed to work on this. Brace yourself. First up, we have got...
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Fred Walton, who did When a Stranger Calls and April Fool's Day. Acceptable. Acceptable. This job was also offered to Peter Jackson. He turned it down.
Yeah, probably wise move on his part. Yep, they asked Quentin Tarantino if he wanted to write this movie, and he suggested that they use Scott Spiegel, rest in peace, just passed away.
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of evil dead 2 and intruder fame scott spiegel took one look at the screenplay and said oh i need to do a page one rewrite and they said no thanks so he got bumped
Someone volunteered to do this movie. Jeff Burr, who directed Stepfather 2, Leatherface, a.k.a. Turner Classic Movies. Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Three. Um, he also directed pumpkin head two and multiple puppet master sequels, but he didn't get the gig. Wow.
The director of Hider in the House, starring Gary Busey, Mr. Matthew Patrick, was also supposed to direct. And finally, finally, my favorite potential director, Brad, are you ready for this?
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I am ready. Do you know who Mustafa Akkad wanted the whole time from the beginning? Who? Michele Sawavi. Wow. I was not ready.
Because of the rights issues and Michele Soave not really wanting to do the movie, it ended up not working out. Well, that's what happens when you don't want to make a movie. That's terrible shame.
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So Wavi's situation has been, it kind of, it's kind of been like the end of Italian horror in a way. Yeah. Yeah. When he walked away from the genre, it really, it really hurt things, but where could he go? He'd already done.
What he wanted to do, you know? Yeah, he didn't have a sick kid. He did, yeah. Very rough. He's still working, I think. But yeah, he took a long time off. Yeah, I think he's doing TV. Yeah.
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Here's some other little fun things. Danielle Harris wanted to return as Jamie, but cheap ass Dimension Films refused to pay her five grand that she wanted. So she just like, forget it. I'm out of here.
I mean, I've got nothing against that other actress, but I don't even consider that to be Jamie Lloyd. Yeah, I like that other lady, but it's like one of those things that would have been so perfect. Daniel Harris has proved to be just, you know, great scream queen.
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Yeah. Of course, Donald Pleasance passed away before all the reshoots could start. They'd use a body double. Director for Mr. Farans wanted Christopher Lee to play win, but that just didn't work out. Of course.
John Carpenter wanted Christopher Lee to play Loomis originally. Yep. The jerk didn't take it. Nope.
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The budget for this film was slashed by $1 million before they started to prepare for Hellraiser Bloodline.
The studio was betting that Bloodline was going to be a bigger movie, which was not true because this tripled its $5 million budget at the box office.
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Wow. This had the largest opening weekend out of the entire Halloween series until Halloween 2018. Wow. That's cool. Yeah.
One of the things that caused all the problems was a test audience of quote unquote 14 year old boys eviscerated the film, especially the Celtic ritual rune ending, which we see in the producer's cut. Well.
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Why are they screen testing 14-year-old boys? That's what they said. It probably was an exaggeration. I don't know. I would love to go into all the differences between the two versions, but we'd be here for six hours.
Brad, any other feels about this movie you want to tell me about? Yeah, so I was 16 when it came out, so that's a time of life that's supposed to be one of the better parts of your life.
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I do look back on it now with fondness. That probably gives it points from me that maybe others would not be so inclined to give.
They mentioned the Myers House being on Lampkin Lane, and there's a Lampkin Lane here in Bowling Green. Cool. That's where they got that title. So even as late as this, they're still drawing.
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references to the warren county area of course you see uh smith grove san antonio san antonio smith grove sanitarium warren county so it's it's it's just neat
Paul Rudd filmed this first, but Clueless came out before this. So this is technically, it's not his film debut, but it would have been had they released it on schedule.
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before they let the 14-year-old boys hack it up. Donald Pleasance is sort of in it.
The scene of his that I like the most is probably his first scene where they're there at his house when Wynn comes to visit. And the radio's like, I heard Dr.
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loomis is dead and he's like not dead yet and he tells yeah he tells win and he's like you know it's foolish to try to play halloween pranks on me
The whole idea of Dr. Loomis living out in the country somewhere in a nice little cottage where he could read and apparently listen to Barry. Write his memoirs. Yeah, it really appeals to me.
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I think that's probably the way he should have gone out. I mean, in this theatrical version, it's true. He goes back in and you just hear him scream. And what he's screaming is, is the scream is actually because he has been passed.
the curse of thorn which again like we talked about it was a strategic error part of the cult of thorn i find the movie very stylish as far as things go it's very colorful it looks great on blu-ray totally
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It's really got a great, I think, great Halloween atmosphere. It's not one of the, probably not one of the better ones, but what it's got going for it, it really has going for it, which is its Halloween atmosphere, I think.
It's nice visual palette and the nudity. Yeah, totally. But I dig it. I dig the movie. I understand why people don't. It is disjointed. But now I see it as part of its charm.
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nice what say you sir well i watched this later like i didn't see this until i was getting back into horror movies and really loving
just revisiting old slashers and stuff and filling in the gaps in my movie fandom of this genre. And I thought six was okay. It was different than I expected. Obviously it was different than what everybody expected.
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But the next viewing I had, which might have been during the Michael Myers-a-thon, was this got me to finally watch Jason Goes to Hell, which I'd avoided for years.
And now I love both. I love both of these movies. In fact, when I reach for a Halloween movie, we watch all of them every year, but there's three movies that I get really excited about in this franchise. Part five, this.
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And Resurrection. You know me very well, sir. Those are my three favorites. I know you very well. I don't think they're better than the first movie and the second movie and the third movie. I don't think they're better. It's just something about...
these three films especially this one very comforting and like we talked about i love you for that oh thank you sir i love you too the producer's cut i don't like as much as this
(01:05:17):
Sure. I do like it, though. I'm really glad we have it, like we talked about, that we're spoiled having that. That's too cool. But this one has all the Halloween-y feels. It's lovely to look at.
The grunge movie. I love secret grunge movies. I think Michael's mask in this is almost good. It looks cool. They tried to age it. So it looks like he like.
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It's almost aging like a human face would age. Yeah. But they made the mask too big as people have complained about.
And I kind of agree with that too. He looks a little silly. He looks less crazy than he does in both seven and eight. And in eight, I really think they were trying to make him look.
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like a black guy. Like he, he looks, what is this mask? What were they going for? Very different, very different cultural icons. And don't forget, as you say, every sequel is good. Yeah.
Once you're past part five, all sequels are good. Mm-hmm. And I was explaining to somebody today that there was 13 of these movies. Wow. Yeah, there's eight original.
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and then two Rob Zombies, and then three of the new trilogy. It's like, holy crap, how did we get here? Here's the thing. I think the Cult of Thorne, I think it's kind of stupid. Yep. But...
they tried something different and i have to applaud them for it because people are like try something different and people do and they're like we hate that go back to the original yeah and then they make the
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They make a remake that's shot for shot the same, and they're like, do something original. Yeah. And hey, I'm nitpicky, you know, like different franchises. Oh, sure.
I can't stand Jason X. I don't know why. I should love it. It just does not click with me at all. I would rather re-watch Jason Takes Manhattan.
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I'd rather rewatch Jason Goes to Hell. Jason X's Don't Float My Boat, whereas Leprechaun in Space is a masterpiece. Jason X is like, it's filmed like Hercules and Xena.
It's filmed in that sort of format. And I think that may be part of it. It's just it looks cheap. Yeah, totally.
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Last thing is this movie, this cut is 87 minutes. You're in, you're out, you're done. I love it. It's brilliant. Just do it. I usually wish movies would be shorter.
So this works out great. I always wish a movie. Yeah. I looked at it last night. No kidding. And we've not talked about this. I put the disc in and when it came on.
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The first thing I did was hit display so I could see how long it was, and I'm like an hour 28. Boom. Let's go. Yeah, let's do this. Oh, man, Bradwell, do you feel...
Do you feel certifiably spooky by our discussion? I do. I do. I hope everyone has a great Halloween. Hell yeah. All three of you that are listening to this Halloween 6 episode.
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Hell yeah. This is going to be a fan favorite. I know it. I don't know if I performed as well tonight as I had in the last, what, two times. We'll see. Well, here, say your famous catchphrase.
That you've been known for forever. And I'll drop it in all over the episode. So people are like, whoa.
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I was hoping that you were thinking of some other catchphrase and I'd catch you off guard and you would go, no, something, something, something. And I'd be like, oh yeah, I remember that.
It didn't work out that way. No, you say a lot of things. Like, is it any count? Is it any count? It's the day of the show, y'all. Oh, you're on a... gravy train with biscuit wheels you're on a gravy train with biscuit wheels that's right and that means you're you're doing very well in life
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But how much better could you be if you were on a gravy train with biscuit wheels? But now it's going to be a, because it's Halloween, it's a corn candy train with...
what would be the wheels jack-o'-lantern wheels jack-o'-lantern wheels yeah pumpkin wheels that's right candy corn train with pumpkin wheels happy halloween folks and
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We'll see you soon. Bye. Goodbye.
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