THE PODCAST ON HAUNTED HILL EPISODE 186 - GHOSTWATCH (1992) and LATE NIGHT WITH THE DEVIL (2023) - Legion Podcasts - All Shows

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The Podcast on Haunted Hill will contain spoilers and swearing.

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And I am here to do the devil's work. I saw this, Michael. Be one of us.

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Hello and welcome, dear listeners, to the Podcast on Haunted Hell, episode 186. See, Dan looked at me as in like, are you going to remember the numbers? I did. My name is Gav. Welcome back.
to this podcast Dan will do the rest of this in a moment because I get confused who are you my name's Dan don't be too confused there's any two of us I did set out a spoiler and say Dan will do this so that's who the other person is on the other end of your

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ear holes with me. Thank you. Our luscious tones, Dan. We have luscious tones. Luscious locks. Luscious throat tones. Luscious beards. Listen to our luscious throat tones.
If you're a returning listener, welcome back. If you are a new listener, welcome front. And if you're just a bit of a casual, come round the side.

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it's one of our little catchphrases yes this is the podcast on wanted hill this is 186 um we always do i always do a little rhyme with gav
to help him remember the number, just before we press record. For this episode, if anyone's interested, 186, I said, look at my gravy tits. And it helps. It's like a bingo, Dan and I. A bingo.

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Bingo. Well, this episode is a fun one. It's a spooky episode.
Yeah, well, following on from Halloween, which was our last episode, you know, we're keeping it spooky, which we do. This is a horror movie podcast, essentially. But we are keeping it spooky with a couple of found footage movies. But not just your average found footage. These two are quite unique.

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in that they are based on live television broadcasts. So found footage obviously is mainly about finding a video camera or a tape or a card, an SD card in the woods or wherever you might find it. And then...
you know you're reviewing it and you're watching we've all seen millions there's millions of fine footage it's probably the biggest genre because it's so easy and cheap to make we've made a bunch of them ourselves um but these two are a little bit different because one of them the bbc was behind

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um and it was a bit of a phenomenon which we'll get into when we cover it but that is 1992's ghost watch which was a drama but was taken as a prank and it kind of was a bit of a prank as well and
It's probably the biggest thing to happen to the public since something like War of the Worlds is pretty decent. It's a lot to talk about with that. Very interesting because it was before the internet. Couldn't do it now.

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too many spoilers out there so we'll be covering the bbc's ghost watch so we'll be getting very british for that i'm michael parkinson this is ghost watch and dan's gonna talk about sarah green
yes the lovely beautiful sarah green we'll get into that um our british listeners will be very pleased um hello and we'll be pairing that up with a film which was kind of

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I'd say it was inspired by... There are a lot of... Oh, it is. There's a hell of a lot of links. And that is the 2023's Late Night with the Devil.
That was only my second watch for this episode. Me too. You watched it, I think, at the cinema and then you instantly messaged me and said, you've got to see it. And I did. I knew it was going to be a future episode and here we are.

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and here we are and what a pairing and a lot of people have commented as i've been gearing up for this one that it's a great parent it is a great pair um thanks
But it is a great pairing of films. They do complement each other nicely. There's good budget in both of them. Obviously in the American later one, really good budget in that. Apart from the AI, which we'll get into when we discuss it.

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um but yeah great stuff so that is what we're covering for episode 186 look at my gravy tits gav yeah look at my gravy tits they are brown and gravy
Now, what have you been watching? Is there anything you wanted to discuss? No, well, everything I've previously been watching recently, all the horror I've been watching, was just because we got out of October recently, the 31 and 31 I did.

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And Dan and I actually reviewed all of our films we did separately as a podcast. We released seven mini podcast episodes going through all the films we talked about. So...
That's those ones. Coming out of there, I haven't really, but yesterday I had a buddy over from Germany over the weekend, and yesterday we had a heavy night Saturday night, and yesterday he wanted to...

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because he doesn't live anymore he wanted a real british sundae so we went to a place where i know where there's a carvery so we went and had a nice roast beef carvery next to a fire
Nice. And then we went back to mine and we got some treacle sponges, had chocolate custard, and we watched three movies. We watched Waterworld, which I'd never seen before because I picked it up for a couple of quid on Blu-ray in the local charity shop.

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While we were just in town. And then I watched. Hold your breath. Last breath.
Something like that has just come out on Amazon. It's pretty boring. And then in the last film, I said to him, you must have seen Sisu. It's like Nazis. You live in Germany.
Jesus. Not in Germany. But I'd have thought he would have known of it because of the nature of the film. And he hadn't seen it. And he does like his sort of action films. So we watched Sisu as well.

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to find out the free films. But yeah, I'd never seen Waterworld with Kevin Costner. I've heard about this movie. I've heard it's a very expensive budget. It looked like it recouped its cost by about... million but
I don't know if that takes into place marketing costs as well. So I don't know. But apparently it was very expensive. It cost chemicals to put like 20 million of his own money into it. It was considered one of the biggest, most expensive turkeys of all time. Now I've got a lot of...

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of love for that film I've never seen the three hour cut that you've seen Ulysses cut yeah where you get different cuts on the blu-ray which is mental that the first time you've decided to watch it ever
You just went straight in for the three-hour version. Wow. It's literally because Phil was partying hard. I don't party hard anymore Saturday night, and we just needed chilled out Sunday, and it was like...

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epic Sunday movie. I know Sarah sat and watched that new Frankenstein movie that just came out and she said it was really good. Really enjoyed it. But it's the same thing. On a Sunday afternoon, quite a long, long, epic-y film and we just went straight into it. But at one point I was like...
We must be coming up to the third act. We've got to be coming up. How long is this film? I said to him. He goes, I don't know. We had a look. I was like, three hours. This is like 20 minutes before it ends. It's three hours this is. If it said to me, do you want to watch the three hour cut? Because I said to him.

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well this disc got two cuts what do you and he's seen it for us what do we watch he goes well i let me look and he looks like it goes ulysses cup all right
I watched that. I knew nothing of the movie. It's an interesting film. It's fine. It's very Mad Max on water. It was fine. It was a very long story. It could have definitely been cut down.

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Yeah, it's an odd one. Apparently, one of the problems with production is everyone was getting seasick, which, you know, it's like Jaws as well. That's a troubled production because it's on water. And that's why it cost a lot of water.
Costs a lot of money as well. It costs a lot of money because they had to build the water tanks where they filmed it on and all the boats and everything, you know. You can control water to a...

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to an extent but not really as much as me though yeah yeah it's just so yeah i'm trying to remember um i don't know it was it was fine you know it was all right i'm not gonna watch it again
I've seen it. Dennis Hopper. Yeah, Dennis Hopper. Jack Black's in it, I believe. Randomly. I was like, is that Jack Black? He's like, yeah. Okay, all right. But yeah, the normal version is two hours and 15 minutes. I think...

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I like it. It's not as good as Robin Hood. I think he did a couple of great movies in a row, Robin Hood. He did Waterworld. He did The Postman, which I thought was appalling. That was the post-apocalyptic one. I've not seen any of these films.
I've never been a massive Kevin Costner fan. No, no, no. He's all right. I did like back in the day that Wolves Dance With Me, was it? Dance With Wolves? Dance With Wolves, that's another one.

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I saw an interview with him recently where they were asking about his money coming in and he was very honest and he said, actually, I've prepared something for this. He was on a talk show and he pulled out a list and he said, here's what I've made in the last 12 months on my film, some of my films.
And he said like, Waterworld, $1.20. Robin Hood, $6.00. And it's crazy to think that he's making like... five bucks in a year on some of these films that he was in you know obviously yeah well the thing is though he got paid a lot of the time but yeah

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Yeah, because I know Waterworld, he put in 20 million of his own money. But the thing is, he can, to a certain degree, someone like Kevin Costner, he's always going to probably have work.
you know and it's a certain extent because he loves acting and being you know and doing that as an art and actually enjoys that rather than wealth i imagine um he's also done a lot of stuff before so he's getting residuals all the time

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Chuck's coming in. So like, you know, he can probably get away with doing that and they're not impacting him. We'd all love to do it. Most artists do do it. I have no fucking money ever. You know.
the second film you watched was it Don't Breathe from 2016 the one where the guy the blind guy
No, no, no. No, no, no. It's underwater. It's hold your breath type thing. It's like the last breath or something it's called. It's where like the fixes of pipes underwater is based on a true story and one of the dudes gets...

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something happens to him basically it's just kind of boring um it's got woody harrelson in it wow okay it's kind of boring
And then Sisu. And I also made, while we watched Horses Blown Up on minefields and shooting Sisu, I made Horlicks for us both. So...
Lovely. Yeah, so we had a lovely English Sunday afternoon. Watching the Nazis get defeated. He's like, perfect, I'm ready for bed now. There's a sequel, isn't there, to Sue coming out soon?

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Yeah, yeah, I heard that. I'll have to check it out. Yeah. Talking of sequels, just wanted to mention quickly, Gremlins 3 has been greenlit. Have you heard?
Steven Spielberg, Chris Columbus returning to produce, executive produce this. It's being written by the guys that wrote the last Final Destination movie. It will be the next biggest thing everyone wants to go watch at cinema, won't it? It's coming out.

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they've got a date 19th of november 2027 so it'll be in time for christmas 2027. so it's going into production now and they're getting everything ready for it they are envisioning bringing back as many living characters as they can so we might get
you might get uh cory cory feldman might be in it you never know he needs to be in it yeah yeah uh zach um what's his chops and um the beautiful whatever her name is

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All of those guys are hopefully going to be in it. Phoebe Cates, that's her name. We'll see. We'll see what it's going to be like. Again, though, I love the fact that they're like, we know this is going to make money, we'll be able to do well with it. Because it's a...
a property that everyone loves. And I'll go up for it and want to see it, but it's just, again, no Hollywood. That's good, but what else are you doing? They tested the waters, didn't they? Because I haven't seen either of them, but they did some animated TV shows recently. They did...

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gremlins mogwai secrets and then they did gremlins the wild batch um i've not seen either of them they did really really well it's like ghostbusters it's a cult thing for the 80s it will do well regardless
we'll all go loads of 14 50 year old people will go and see it and be like oh remember when we saw this and then you got a new audience could go because they love gremlins and like there's it it it hits all the demographs but uh but what new things are they making though

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well the good thing i was just going to quickly say the last good thing about that is at least the originals were pretty much all practical effects and you can still get away with that now if you look at the star wars movies they use a lot of practical effects and puppetry so i think
they'll have that going for it but yeah we'll see the puppetry should be good we don't really need any cgi so i've got weird sound going on from somewhere oh is it from your bottom i think it might be aliens attacking actually

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It's Atlas 3i. The other thing I want to mention about sequels is, did you see the trailer for Scream 7? No. It looks really good. I'll check out the trailer.
Like I said, I saw the fifth one and I was really disappointed. And then I've never seen the sixth one and I've just given up on it. Well, it looks good. Obviously, Neve's back, which is great. And so is Courtney Cox.

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And there's a voice cameo from Stu in it, so I don't know if they're going to bring him back in some way or another. I see how faithful it is to you. The thing is, though, I like the original, and there's no disparency to the new ones. That's in the audience.
like the new ones new people and people like it so fair enough i just didn't like it so i i don't know if i bother i need to watch six i suppose really

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Yeah, it's good. 6 is good. I liked it. I didn't expect 5 and 6 to be so good, but they actually really were. They sort of cater to newer audiences, but also haven't. So dislike 5.
That's a shame, but that's cool. And I saw it in the cinema. I'm really excited. I forgot it, but by the next day, I've forgotten it all. Talking of cinemas, you need me nicely on to another sequel, which I really want to see. Debbie Dice Dallas.

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No, Debbie does. Order shot. No, I really want to go and see, and I was hoping you might have gone to see Predator Badlands. It's getting really good reviews. Debbie does order shot, that'd be awful. Predator does Dallas?
Yeah. You ugly motherfucker. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I'm interested. Okay. It's getting good reviews. I said to Elijah, do you want to go watch it? No, it's your thing. It's not my thing. That's what he said to me.

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Fine. Because it's a 12A. And Predator's the good guy. I don't know. Well, he's kind of a good guy, but not. Us grumpy nearly 50-year-olds are probably going, I'm not watching that.
oh i want to see it i love predator movies um the only movie for me that i've been incredibly busy with a new job um not

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not a new company same company but a new role so i haven't really had much downtime really and then obviously i have twin four-year-olds so the only movie that i really wanted to talk about is is you wouldn't expect this but i'm going to talk about it anyway uh
part of my 31 in 31 so i'll cover all my stephen kings obviously and and as you mentioned for anyone who's a patron uh supporter you've got seven mini episodes they're about 20 minutes each some of them a bit longer

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where me and Gav actually break down our 31, I did 33, Gav did 31 movies. So you've got all that to listen to. But also in my mini episodes, I also discuss the films I've been showing to my children.
um adam's family all the kind of stuff you know uh but one there was one movie i watched with them which we we watched about five times over october and i've got to recommend it really to our our regular listeners as well um and that is

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With Marlon Wayans. It wasn't Debbie Dunstown. It wasn't, no. It's called The Curse of Bridge Hollow, and it's a kid's movie. I suppose it's probably a bit too old for my children, but they enjoyed it nonetheless. And it's kind of like if you took Monster House...
Goosebumps and Hubie Halloween those movies and jam them all together you get the curse of Bridge Hollow and it's about Marlon Wayans who plays it a bit straighter than normal and he's really funny in it He's a science teacher and a dad, and his daughter discovers a cursed...

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artifact in the attic of a new house they move into in a little town called bridge hollow which then makes all the halloween decorations in the neighborhood come to life so you've got like ghosts zombies cats you know whatever it might be
It's really good fun, really good effects, really good action, and incredibly funny. My kids really, really loved it. And yes, it's child... friendly but it's also one i'd recommend to anyone who just wants a good time so if you're still craving a bit of halloween vibes it's on netflix now

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The Coast of Bridge Hollow. Really good stuff. And I do love Marlon Wayans. Yeah. And we are going to be covering Scary Movie next year.
as a little just a little tease for you listeners we will be covering scary movie possibly scary movie two as well but definitely scary movie one that's gonna be quite funny yeah it will be fun to get into some parody stuff yeah absolutely

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so that's that and talking to patrons the last thing to mention is not only do you get all those mini episodes but also um i don't know what the hell is going on with our patron episodes
Our patron picks. But whenever we get a pick, it's always our highest rated episode. So it all started with... Is it a particular patron on repeat? It could be. I mean, Don...

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picked the greece strangler and climax back in the summer and that got us incredible numbers and then three episodes later we had uh sheila with the ninth gate in the pope texas and that did even better numbers and now we've got kevin's the boogins and squirm
absolutely smash the numbers again even higher so but i really don't know what's going on but our regular programming is not as good no no

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It's only when people... Well, I mean, we are getting higher ratings, higher downloads and listens. I still pimping whenever I can. Because it's quite easy to remember. A house on a hot hill. Oh, yeah.
podcast oh okay podcast yeah it's not that hard to remember so yeah yeah i do i think we've probably found a pocket of people like 20 or 30 people who maybe have shared that amongst their friends and that's why our numbers have jumped up quite a lot in the last

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six to 12 months but it's the patron episodes that are really doing it and perhaps they're telling their friends this is an episode i requested blah blah blah whatever it might be but it's great stuff so patrons keep it coming um we'll be announcing in the outro our next patron pick so
Yeah, absolutely. And we, speaking of patrons, you lovely lot, we have a lot more content coming out for you guys. This could be a lot more regular over on my other podcast, High Strangers podcast. We've just started our patron page there, which we...

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be making content for as well going forward both shows on my behalf will be getting lots more content i have just recently filmed a 25 minute video for patrons exclusively and it's me going through a load of vhs tapes that i picked up and it's just because
It's a video cast because it's actually some physical product in my hand. So I'm going through the tapes, looking at them, opening up, showing you guys the cassettes, talking about them. And there are movies I've never heard of. So I'm literally reading the blurbs for the first time going, what?

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as you know my imdb synopsis is imagine that in extended form on blurbs on random videos i've never seen one of them must start reading i was like oh that sounds really bad
That doesn't sound good. It said the word rape and some other stuff. This is not a 2025 synopsis.
This doesn't sound very good. You going through a box of videotapes could be Sinister 3 if you're Ethan Hawke wearing a dodgy cardigan. I tell you what, I used to have a cardigan like that. I should have worn it and set it like I could have done the same thing just going through the tapes. Could have done it.

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spotify we need more likes on spotify we do it's not many should we get into our first film let's get into it Okay, so we're going to go back to early 1992 with Ghostwatch from the lovely BBC.

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It's Susie. She's saying you're coming with me.

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So welcome live this Halloween night to the first ever TV Ghost Watch. That's the scene in Fox Hill Drive in Northolt. Our outside broadcast units are there. That's the house where it might all happen tonight or it might not. We shall see.

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Round and round the garden like a teddy bear.
ghost watch from 1992 not rated there we go not rated because it was a tv movie or tv drama um

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Here we go. In a live broadcast on Halloween night, no less, a BBC team investigate a reported poltergeist in an ordinary London home.
uh directed by leslie manning who's done some tv work um i think what we'll do probably first of all is a little bit of a background for anyone who's not seen this then we'll talk about our experiences because gavin i lived through this

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uh being British men in the uh yeah live um so this was a it was a drama but because it was a bit sneaky of the BBC they dropped this on Halloween night
It was kind of a war of the worlds effect. Because a lot of people apparently tuned in back in these days. We only had four channels.

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So a lot of people were watching apparently on ITV, the opposite channel, channel number three, for anyone who knows, there was a film, there was a movie showing. And as that film finished, they turned over to watch Ghostwatch.
therefore missing the first 15 20 minutes of ghost watch therefore missing the bit where it said written by and starring so a lot of people just thought they were tuning into a real life

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And actually, to be honest, it's a blink and you miss. Sorry. I was going to say, even if you watch it from the beginning, you would probably blink and miss the fact that it says starring and written by...
and directed by you know you wouldn't be in the know no especially as kids you know it wasn't really um a thing

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uh known thing this this this now is like uh you'd have a term for this now you know it's like a marketing ploy or whatever or a thing you know something in the zeitgeist or whatever i don't know
jumping on something a trend or whatever you know and it's the it's the beginning of it stuff but this was like before any of anything because there's no internet no nothing it was just

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you know it's like awesome wells did it with radio this is what exactly the same equivalent is with tv it is the same principle but now visual rather than just audio with legit
...station being like Orson Welles Radio Station and this being ITV... BBC. Oh, sorry, BBC, saying...
Well, what we could do, there'd been a build-up for it that would have been in the magazines, we'd get a TV guide each week, and people bought it in the masses, because you'd circle the movies you want to watch, and you know what's coming on, because this was your only way to...

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check stuff out and if you didn't check it out it was gone you know it's not the internet you can just go back and re-watch many times you like um and stuff was limited so so when they said we could do this at no point no point whatsoever anyone have gone
Well, that's going to be a fight. Now, if the League of Gentlemen, or, no, what is it? Number, inside number seven? Nine. Nine.

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Inside number nine goes, we're going to do a Halloween thing.
probably 60% of the people who watch it are going to go, it's probably going to be like some fucking, and as you watch it go, well, let's obviously fuck it up. And they kind of have done that a little bit. They did a live one on Halloween, probably very much influenced from this. We could have probably done that.
little separate mini episode in fact I actually think about it have you seen that one no oh check it out they did a live Halloween one where shit goes wrong and then the camera's just in there dressing them

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They go, oh, fuck it. Have you seen the news? It's just them. Then shit starts going wrong in the studio. Check that out. Check that out for you as well. Very much like this in the same vein and being British as well. But anyway, no one won't mind. No one would have been like, well.
I bet that's going to be a fucking fake spoof type thing. No, dude, that wasn't a thing. So me, myself, I was 15 at the time.

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And I was staying over at a friend's house. We would have gone trick-or-treating. And in his little...
place and then we in his room he had a tv and i remember being on the floor in a sleeping bag and pillow already and he's like and i was like there's this finger i was mad for horror movies always in the horror movies i was like there's this thing on tonight can we watch it he's like yeah right cool he's in bed

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I'm on the floor in a sleeping bag that sort of thing Teddy's over there little fucking small TV and we just started watching this and it's quite interesting and he started just getting into it because it's not something you're seeing and you know all the presenters are legit presenters
Especially a 15-year-old kid. You don't know no different at all. I don't know if you were the same age as, say, Sarah Green and Mike Smith. If you were the same age as them, you'd think... You'd still probably go along with, this is real.

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as I think people do, because there's so many phone calls and shit come in. And I sat there, watched it, and got to a point when something happens, and my friend's like, no, fuck that, and just got the control, no, didn't have the control whatsoever, went over and turned the TV off.
and i was like what are you doing what are you doing okay because it's like if i don't watch this now i'm not watching this that's it

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And I was like, but I need to see it. And so I didn't actually get to see this again for fucking years until it was released on DVD. Years later. And I never knew what the ending was. But it was such a thing that the public...
public audience did not know what was coming and it but you're gonna tell me all the truth and everything what happened from it but for me that was it and it was like what the fuck is this shit yeah i mean before i get into my viewing of it

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Again, we were there when this hit TV. It was a phenomenon, really. The reason why people believed it and the reason why no one doubted it was because, as Gav said, the presenters. So firstly, BBC One.
You know, BBC One was the big channel and BBC still are pretty big.

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and we had michael parkinson who is one of the greatest presenters of all time in the world look at some of his youtube uh interviews like he got he has the does he have the famous one with uh nicholas cage coming in doing some sorts of shit and throwing his money
it's either him or Terry Wogan yeah yeah oh okay yeah but Mark Parkson has actually had some really really good interviews some stuff on there people be like oh fuck it that's really good and they really open up to him and talk to him yeah exactly and so his

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he's very charismatic, very believable. He's kind of like, he's like the David Attenborough of the presenting world, the TV chat world, you know. I'd say worldwide, probably quite unknown.
there's a rapper there's a rapper a british rapper called michael parkinson nice spelt differently but yeah
So we had him, we had Sarah Green and her husband, Mike Smith. Now, Mike Smith was a radio DJ, still probably is. Very big, he did Top of the Pops and lots of British stuff. And Sarah Green...

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and sarah green his wife she was a presenter in her own right she did a lot of saturday morning kids stuff like going live and she did the odd thing here and there so we had these three presenters we also had craig charles which a lot of people would know from red dwarf
He's been in a lot of stuff. He was like the... the wildcard comedy presenter who was there to make us feel with a mic and with a crew outside guerrilla style like how's it going guys how's it going what's happening over here and he was he was taking the piss all the way through to

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really cement that this was probably nothing was going to happen this was all going to just be a bit of a silly experiment where they tried to capture ghosts on film so that added to it as well now
They were pretty much unknown, the rest of the cast, the family apart. You're extremely right there. You had a real different degree of characters there.

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him outside real live energy mark parks and inside very like wear a suit very sensible sits in a chair talks very calmly to you
then obviously uh sarah green being inside a house um presenting like running around what's going on here but and she sort of brings that element to it and also having a woman being the person in the house brings a more motherly

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element to it because the kids are there and their mum isn't there so she becomes sort of the mother then you've also got mike smith who's on like the phone call side of things which is like telephone
uh money things like red nose day which we knew of those what they called telephones yeah and we knew that so just having those dynamics is so interesting to then for especially for editing purposes cut back forth and keep building on the story but yeah sorry carry on

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and mike smith had a nice dynamic with his wife because he was genuinely it looked like he was genuinely concerned at times when she was in the house and he was in the studio the other thing was none of these guys apart from craig charles none of them are actually actors they're all presenters either on tv or and or
um radio so this is why we we all fell for this because it just seems so goddamn real now i watched this i was 14 i'm a year younger than you gab so yes it was all over the tv times and radio times tonight

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Don't forget to tune in on Halloween night. They're doing a live ghost. This was way before any ghost. Ghost hunts are everywhere now. There's hundreds of programs that do ghost hunts. We've all seen them. Found footage was not a thing at this time either, really. Yes, of course, we had a couple of movies.
like, I don't know, Cannibal Holocaust or whatever, if you want to count that. But this film would have gone on to inspire The Blair Witch Project, Late Night with the Devil, and many, many, many, many other films. Whether they knew it or not, this was such a unique...

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one-off piece of phenomena and it holds up really really well i'm pleased to say obviously we're going to get into it in a moment but it's just so unique and so brave and ballsy that some
absolute absolute brass balls of the bbc and they got in trouble they did get in trouble because there was this there was a death link to it um a suicide somebody was so freaked out

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And there's a few other things which I'll get to when we come to the trivia and I thought it's probably worth doing some of the trivia we don't often get too deep into the trivia but Do you think when they went out to cast in
this that they did like some ndas and when they're asking for trying to figure out they did yes ah because i was just thinking if i did that now you know i was gonna go ah

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that's the presenter we want they come in we go you need to sign this nda so you can't talk about this um because if you we don't get the job or you don't want to do it yourself you're like no this you can't talk about it because if you talk about it too
your wife and then she tells it to about to gene down at the news agents then people word gets around and the newspaper finds out boom cats out the bag so i was wondering what the score was or they wrote it in mind with these people and these people were

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already involved i do not mean so so the it was mainly nda's yeah they also they they filmed it only a few months before it dropped but obviously it was it was supposed to be a live broadcast that was the other thing
which is why they wanted the NDA so that people wouldn't but Gillian Bevan played the doctor

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are you going to explain to me the casting process as well because do you know what I mean do they have to go like oh we want that person because they're quite popular at the moment and then that person said I don't want to be in this ghost thing they're like shit we need to then go to Michael Parkinson I was wondering what the score was with that
No, I don't think I have that kind of stuff. They might have been writing it in mind. These people might have all been together and been like, then a producer or writer came to them and said, look, I'm thinking of doing this thing. I know you guys could be, do you know what I mean? Because you don't want them to go and tell people about it.

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These are all the BBC people, aren't they, as well? So they're already on the books. So they probably just got one of the producers to say, look, I think you guys would be perfect for it. Do you want to do this? And they all probably went, yeah, that might be a fucking good laugh. Because, yeah, it is a good laugh.
Craig Charles is really, really, like, fucking coked up as well. I'm sure in this, you can tell. Oh, really? Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, he's really buzzing. Brings that coke energy. Yeah, well, crack he got into at one point. Brings that crack energy.

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Gillian Bevan had played the doctor in this, in the studio. When she got home from the rat party, she...
Because they kept the wrap party until the actual night when they screened it to the public. So I think actually maybe they were only filming this a day or two leading up to Halloween. She got home to an answer machine message from her friend, Judi Dench.

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So who said, you absolute bitch. As soon as I saw you on screen, I knew this wasn't real because she knows her. And she was like, you absolute bitch.
I knew this wasn't real. As soon as I saw you on screen, I thought, well, you're not a bloody parapsychologist doctor. God damn it. So Judy, that's a shame, isn't it? Yeah. So there will have been people out there that were in the know that were new. These people knew that they were actors. Certainly not.

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but possibly only watching that live like Judi Dench did. And it's not in there. It's not like you can fucking WhatsApp your mate and tell them. You could possibly get on the phone and ring up, but you're not going to if you're watching it. So, yeah. Luckily...
It probably wasn't too hard to keep it secret, but there must have been some sneaky stuff they had to do, like you say, the NDAs. So my watch of it, I don't think it was my dad, I think it was just me and my mum watching this. I was 14, like I say, and Halloween...

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I think I watched the entire thing but I must say I was really scared because I did believe it and I got into school the next day.
I was believing it, but I wanted more. I want more. Well, I went into school the next day.
or whenever it was whenever the next school day was i don't know if the halloween was on a weekend or what but this was all anyone talked about it for about two weeks at school and we were all talking about it goes then everyone started saying i've seen ghosts no i've seen ghosts and it was just it just yeah then it died off the next thing came along and

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I'm sure the next day at school, more than likely, the kids probably said to me, my friends, like, oh, this is what happened. I was like, what the fuck happened? What happened? They probably told me, but I still didn't actually get to see it for years later. There was no internet, so people were embellishing.
you know stories and saying well yeah my clock stopped as well at home or one of my glasses smashed in my eyes people would i remember people in school going yeah my mum's vase vase exploded in the kitchen when we were watching it and all this kind of shit you know which is great because it did

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it made everybody manic like it did with like war of the worlds did you know absolutely so a little bit of trivia then just very few bits here and there before we get into this you know if you haven't seen this guy
Do check it out. It does hold up well. Please, please stop the podcast. Come back to it once you've seen it. Same with Late Night with the Devil. This is the first TV programme to be put in the British Medical Journal for having caused...

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PTSD in children. Fucking hell. So there's one little thing there. There was a rumour that proved to... actually later to be true that they the producers and the showmakers wanted to put a high-pitched noise here and there amongst the show to induce sort of
paranoia and fear and i did hear something bits and bobs actually yeah um

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They couldn't figure out how to do it because back then everyone had very basic TVs. But they did include things like dogs barking and obviously we've got Pipes, the ghost who pops up here and there. I think there's 13 separate...
sightings of him there's eight that are very well known name for a ghost
It is, but it is what it is. But the number, the 081-811-8181, which we all know the song for that, because that was the same number they used for Crimewatch in the UK, and for going live, 081-811.

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Eat one, eat one. I'm having these flashbacks. Lovely listeners. I suppose if you're around our age, you'll probably have the same, whatever country you're in. Back in the day...
90s like you'd have on the late night on the adverts all of a sudden i'd just be like gate chat like the number come up and then like the next one

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I don't know. Party chat. Party line. Call the party line. It's just all stuff like that. It's so funny that that's the way to, like, people trying to get connection. I never rang any of them. Did you ring any of them?
I rang Party Line, I think. What happened to Party Line? It's just loads of people shouting over each other. It's probably like a crack house. Just someone takes the phone off the hook and you say, whatever.

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So when they broadcast this, they had actually five people manning the phone. So when they rang that number, most people got an engaged tone, which really spooked a lot of people out. So like, oh, my God.
because they had so many phone calls coming in throughout the night. But they did, anyone who managed to get through, they let them tell their ghost stories.
Obviously, they didn't use those in the show. They pre-recorded some. Fuck. So, like, you're ringing in, then getting down and saying, Barry, I just rang him and told him about that ghost that...

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tried to bug me last night oh yeah maude barry and maude as i say it was billed as a drama and it says that in the small print in the tv times in the in the cut in the magazine back in the day but
People didn't see that. They thought it was real. And apparently at the very end, and it is obviously implied that the ghost enters our house through the transmission, but actually they cut a bit out where...

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that was in the script where michael parkinson was going to come right up to the camera and say the ghost is probably in your house right now which would have freaked everybody out if michael parkinson's telling you that if michael parkinson's telling you that then it's a fact
so michael parkinson's mother phoned him up and said what the hell have you been involved in she thought it was a real life event and he was like calm down mom calm down

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it was i was acting she was like well bloody hell you did well michael because i believed you and i've known you your whole damn life so fucking brilliant because his mum uh i'm guessing at this point
60s, 70s. I love it. I'm just going to... Come on, let's watch it. Let's see what Michael's doing tonight. He's doing a new show. Come on, let's watch it. Oh, my God!

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a lot of the people in it weren't actors obviously really only craig charles but that includes all the sort of the the camera crew which is why they act the way they do that you know the guy that's setting up all the electrics and stuff like that it is all very amateurish and it's yeah
And that's what sells it even more. Yeah, of course. Michael Parkinson said he thought he would get in trouble and his career would probably... go a bit down for a little bit because of this but he said he's really pleased and proud of it all those years later that

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because obviously when it came out on dvd because people probably had copies of this on vhs but i never saw it again like you until it came out on dvd yeah some people would definitely like recorded it but like again no internet
oh I didn't know Michael Parkinson died yeah yeah he died two years ago the guys who made the Blair Witch Project they said

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We watched this a couple of times in a row before we started filming our movie. So there we go. They definitely were influenced by this. So it did enter into people's minds all around the world, really, wherever they saw it.
Any other things? Oh yeah, over a million phone calls were taken to the BBC switchboard on that phone number on the night it was transmitted. Over a million phone calls, Kev. That's quite impressive.

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That's pretty crazy. Well done, them guys. I'm just trying to see if there's any other... I think that's probably... all the good but for anyone who has seen this oh there is one bit of casting they wanted annika rice to be the star but it was going to be then they went for sarah green in the end

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So for anyone who knows Annika Rice, she did a lot of running around in a shell suit in the 18th century. I went with Sarah Green. Jesus Christ. We kind of did a version like this. We did a podcast, didn't we, episode?
We did. We did. But we did a Ouija. And it all went fucking bad. I was just thinking, what if this episode starts going bad? Things start going wrong. They planned on a sequel to this.

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a mini-series showing the aftermath of what happened, but he didn't do it. I know, but he might be swinging below, you know, if you know what I'm saying. You think Mike Smith's got a really big dick, is that what you're saying? Wow.
don't know but sarah green i've messaged you while i was watching this and i said i've still got a crush on her now because i used to tune in on saturday mornings at like 12 13 14 and she'd be there again welcome everybody to going live and you'd be like she is she is kind of hot Yeah.

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so that's some of the trivia behind it now if you want to know more this is one of those things because it is a phenomenon if you go into youtube you'll find loads of short videos on this and there's actually a really good documentary on this called behind the curtain which is on the dvd
I believe. Did Michael Parkinson always look like he was 17 when he was even 15? He's like Leslie Nielsen. He was just born looking like an old man. Yeah. Or Steve Martin. Yeah.

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They've just always looked old. Yeah. It's why when you look at Steve Martin, you're like, how old is that man? And he's like, I'm 170. He's like, yeah, he still looks that age. Yeah. It's the great hair though. If you go great early. No one knows. Yeah.
there we go so that is the bit behind the scenes of ghost watch um it's

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fun man it's really great it is really fun revisiting it to review it because obviously reviewing it i've never ever done and i've just sort of sat and watched it going this is that film and knowing the story behind it and every once in a while you get someone on facebook brings it up and yeah yeah you can't help
but you have to fucking do it anyone that watched it has to do it i was there on the night my friend turned the telly off pissed me off he was too scared and people go oh like like like yeah that's my little part involved in it we all do it

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Come on. I mean, now we do.
yeah it's good stuff and I must say although some of the acting here and there is a little bit ropey but then you don't notice that or you wouldn't have noticed it back in the day because you just thought you were watching a live broadcast and a live broadcast so it was
it live yeah no no no it was okay fine right um

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But with live, we knew of it because we were very used to the red-nosed detox shenanigans all day long with phone-ins and things. There's other ones which happened back in the day. And we kind of knew the format.
So that's why this just felt like it was normal. But it's like, oh, nice. I would have been like, oh, nice. It's about ghosts as well. That's cool. They could go, that's really cool. Oh, wicked. Not thinking it was going to fucking...

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shit up the guy a lot of staying with well I mean most of the public in the United Kingdom went nuts for this
um and like i say though it's one of those things because there was no internet after about a month everybody forgot about it and we're on to the next thing that was going on you know so it is what it is you say that i don't know if it would be the case so much because um

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it was such a thing i reckon that and i reckon we'd have stick with that for a little while i would have done i i would have just been for forever going but how did it end well it's like it's like one of those things that you catch on tv when you're a kid and you're not
you know there's all that we've all seen half a film and we don't know what it was called you know because we only ever saw the last half an hour of it yeah and it's you might discover that film years later you might not you know and i think i think it was um

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court silence that said he started watching evil dead 2 when he was very very young but he'd missed the first 20 30 minutes so i had no idea what film it was yeah
and was just like this is brilliant but what is it and it was only when he was older he realized it was evil there too you know you just don't know i love that kind of stuff absolutely love it but let's get into it let's get into some ghost watching like i said we'd never done anything like this before you know now there's

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Every other channel's got ghost hunters and paranormal investigators and all that kind of stuff. But this was the granddaddy, really. So... well we start off with uh michael parkson um starts with norena basically and tells us that there's been investigations past 10 months um
on this on various was it various houses and then they've chosen this one to be the one that they actually studied for this evening um

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and they wanted to do a live broadcast here and this is basically narrated over the top of what we're seeing i can't remember what's in i was showing record footage of kids room uh yeah and it's very much like yeah i'm i presume they took the enfield poltergeist story for this oh i was going to mention yeah good show this
Let's take a lot of the Enfield Poltergeist stuff. You can see it straight away now. With the girls talking and the voices and the things that happen around the house. They even recreated the photograph of the girls floating for the cover of her book.

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um and the ectoplasm stories and that kind of stuff so yeah they really used that but again unless you'd read there were probably a dozen or so books that had that story in it which we'd read those you know and they were on those cigarette cards
but not many other people knew that so it it rang a bell with maybe some people but that was another thing so they were yeah they pulled from a few things in this you know they pulled from amateurville um they pulled from uh the warrens the what they called the uh

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What's the couple that investigated the amateur film? I can't remember the name. Lorraine and Ed Warren. Warren? Yeah. So they pulled from some of that, but they did it in a very BBC way. And like you said, this narration by...
Michael Parkinson. He's legit. He's like, hi, welcome. We're doing something we've never done before. And we believe him. Of course. It's Michael Parkinson. He's interviewed, you know, Grace Jones and everybody from...

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um we do see some images of things getting thrown at girls um light blows yeah and they say mum he's back and it's just kind of just like a teaser of what we're going to get later on basically
and they do say things quite a lot like michael parkinson will say just to warn you if there are young ones in the room this might not be suitable programming because we don't know where this might go but also we are going to show you a few things here and there that are a little bit

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unexplained and a bit scary so again you're like i'll tell you what the other thing just looking at a little picture of mike smith with the back like basically had a studio where you had Michael Parkinson and this doctor um sitting in nice big leather swivel chairs next to a big screen so they could
at any point say can we look at this footage can we look at that footage and then the camera can see those guys looking at the camera so we could see their reactions as well like you watch on youtube now people's reactions but then the studio had another part of the studio which i said earlier about which

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with mike smith with a telephone in but just looking at it now and the color scheme they've got with him there it's exactly the same as crime watch which everybody was very very aware of crime watch which was a uk program which actually caught loads of criminals and stuff
The presenter is a true crime, but one of the presenters actually got shot outside, shot and killed outside her house because she did crime watch. Anyway, that's not the reason. Rest in peace to Orlando. Yeah, that's crazy. But we were aware of that, and obviously crime watch was...

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true life shit and it was bad stuff looking at it just like this the colour scheme I reckon the back of your mind
Yeah, it'd be kind of looking at it as in a Crimewatch-type way, do you know what I mean? Rather than just a regular standing telephone-type thing, where it's Brissenda, some money, etc., and it's all happy and colourful behind them.

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It's quite the colour schemes on purpose, I'd say, for that reason. Do you know what I mean? And bear in mind, again, this was on Halloween this night.
This was when this was shown. Yeah, exactly. So we're sucked in. Yeah. Do we know what time it aired? Was it like nine o'clock? I believe it was. Nine o'clock. Watershed, so it probably must have been. I believe it was nine o'clock.

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and it went on it was supposed to finish at 10 but they tricked us because they let it go on till half 10 saying we are going to have to keep on the air you know we what we didn't have a 10 o'clock news
Match of the day would have been after this, apparently, which is a soccer football show. But yeah, so they pushed it a half an hour, but we didn't know that. We didn't know that they were...

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just doing that on purpose didn't you just hate back in the day when you're watching a movie and then it got to 10 o'clock and they're like right the movie will be back in half an hour because we can have the news now
What's going to happen to Robocop now? What do you mean the movie's going to be back in half an hour? For fuck's sake. I remember watching Need the Weapon with my dad on TV and it was like...

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I've got to wait half an hour to find out what goes on. Or your mum's like, well, you're not going to be able to watch it all now because you're going to have to go to bed. Oh, for fuck's sake. But I'm surprised that they let this go and didn't have a news break. Yeah, they did well. So like you say...
Michael Parkinson does his narration in his opening and then they show a clip of these girls in a bedroom where there's a banging sound coming from the walls. There's some objects being thrown around and then a lamp, the bedroom lamp, explodes.

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And that's kind of our intro really as to what we might see. So we're already intrigued a couple of minutes in. Then we have some kind of credits almost. Kind of. And then we have like this montage, which is just very basic camera because they've got a crane camera in the road outside.
got shots of the van being set up the lights being put out all the people getting already outside

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So we can see it's like a live element going on to here. It's quite fun having Craig Charles outside with the people because you've got the people outside going, oh, hiya, hiya, waving away. So it gives it such a, they look obviously like general public, so it gives it another layer. Yeah, they're all hyped up, you know.
We're hoping to see a ghost. He's like, ah, he keeps it all the way through. There's no such thing. You're not going to see anything. And, you know, there's a few...

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Franks, he pulls as well, which we'll come to in a minute. We do see the crane shot. It's a really big crane shot, and it pulls right out. It shows the whole street, and it says, live on Halloween, Fox Hill Drive, or whatever. Let me see this. Yeah.
And I'll be referring to Michael Parkinson as Parkey throughout the rest of this because it's shorter, but also that was his nickname, Parkey.
and my note here is he just gives such a natural delivery whenever he's handing over to somebody else and he does say well we're over to the cheeky craig charles now who's live you know on the street

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And we go over to him and he's like, hey, with his scarce accent, welcome everybody. And we meet the mum of the house, Pam. It's all very quick, backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. And then he says over to Smithy, who is Mike Smith.
and mike smith's like hi i'll be here in the studio while my wife is in the house um if you notice anything strange or you want to share your ghost stories or anything like that call this number where we've got a team of operators and around him there's like a dozen people on the phone

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And they're all supposedly taking phone calls and he's sort of reading out messages and things like that to people. You know, it's all very primitive because it was 92, but it's just so great. And I think there's a bit of nostalgia for this as well. That's why we all love this still. And then we meet the lovely Sarah Green.
The lovely Sarah Green.
who says, well, I've got the... She's brilliant in this. She keeps saying things like, I've got the pleasure of spending the night in the house. None of the men wanted to do it. She keeps joking around about things like that. It's nice. When the jokes go off, we cut back to Michael Parks.

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just laughing away he does a little giggle i know and it's so genuine and nice yeah it feels like it's a legit thing yeah um craig charles asks the mom and the kids about the incidents you know
And they say things, he keeps going like, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do, making silly jokes about vampires or whatever. And the girls tell him that they've heard, the children tell him that they've heard...

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strange noises they've smelt strange smells objects have been broken around the house um and it's just good performances particularly and it's not often you say this from the children who are amateur actors
the two girls but they do a great job in this um of really selling it because they're just two little girls and you really buy into it i actually think the worst actress in this is potentially the mum pam

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But there's a few times where she's a bit wooden. But everybody else in this does a great job, I think. Yeah, not too bad. At times, the Doctor's a little sketchy, I feel. But yeah, she's not too bad thinking about it.
i think everything's everything's pretty good uh craig charles is all right yeah no everything's all right well talking of the doctor so we're back in the studio and parky says well joining us for this experiment is dr pasco

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she is a believer she's an expert in ghosts and she's actually been studying these girls and this house and many other houses but she helped us pinpoint this house for tonight's
experiment so we get a bit of a you know an introduction into her and she's very serious and very sort of educated and this is obviously judy dench's mate so 10 minutes into this judy dench is like

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fuck this, this is fake. I'd love to have been there when she's there with her sherry. And her husband was like, for fuck's sake, you were in it for me. You could have kept it quiet.
or like isn't that your mate you didn't tell me she was a doctor she's not a doctor um Sarah Green mentions that she had a ghostly experience, which she said, I'll probably tell that story a bit later on tonight.

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And she says, my husband's not a believer, but he is a coward, aren't you, Mike? And Mike Smith's like, no. So he sort of plays the sort of... What does he do? Cowardly lying. Then we meet our electrical paranormal experts.
This guy, he just looks like someone who works in a Warhammer shop. And he's just like, what? And they're like, so what have you got? And he's like, I've got lights, a lot of cameras. We've got CCTV in every room. Yeah. But I've got...

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little sensors that go off with the temperature changes we've got it all wired up it's brilliant and that you want to see inside my van
oh yeah let's go in your van and he's like i've got all these cameras look i've got all these pictures and he's really sort of he's just the most sort of nerdy-ish guy but again it works because it's the kind of guy that might be working in that field you know the the the crew they're the

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pretty bad actors this crew um but that it's they're not supposed to be actors so they're supposed to be just crew members so they would be bad actors so you never know they might be fucking incredible actors who are actually playing bad actors
They weren't actors at all. Okay, fine. And it comes across absolutely fine because that's how it would be. So, yeah.

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Yeah, and they've even got cold detectors to detect, you know, changes in temperatures. It's what we get now. Me and Sarah are at loads. We sit and watch YouTube ghost hunting channels, and they start off with... Today, guys, we're investigating so-and-so house. We've got with us...
spirit box we've got is this we've got this this and this and whatever all these other shit and um

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it's exactly the same as this and watching it from now was like oh so funny it feels like such a head of its time type thing you know really well it really was and talking ahead of its time this was one of the first uses of infrared
uh on a tv show or a film um so they talk to the crew now and we meet them sarah's crew because you know these guys are coming in with her she wants us the audience to meet them so we meet the cameraman um and he explains

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I've got this high-tech feature on my camera where I can turn on all the lights and Sarah's like, can we, can we...
close all the lights down please so the floodlights on the street go off and he shows that they've got infrared and you know it's cool it's obviously it's the predator vision but you know we hadn't really seen this on a tv show or anything like that it's been in a couple of films here and that like predator
um and then we meet the sound guy who's actually quite nervous and does a good job of coming across as quite nervous and he's got like the boom mic and you know other equipment that he's going to be using as well um and then she's like well

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i guess it's time for us to enter the house and you get this nice little moment where everybody there's a group of like 20 people from all the neighbors from the street they all clap
as they go into the house. It's very British though, isn't it? It is very British. And they all go in. And they obviously show the equipment. They say that we're looking for NOx interference, etc. And they're trying to explain. Basically, they set it up perfectly.
For someone that doesn't even know fuck all about ghost hunting and looking for ghosts or anything, they set this up perfectly. Yeah, it's really well done. I don't know who ever come up with this, but they're fucking clever cunts. Excuse my language.

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now in the house what adds to this is that it's obviously it's Halloween night it's supposed to be so there's Halloween decorations up not many because this was Britain in the early 90s but there are a few and obviously the children are like apple bobbing and stuff like that so we'll come back to them in a minute
Now we cut back to the studio where the doctor, Dr. Pascal is explaining why they chose this house. She says, with my experience and my knowledge, this is definitely the most haunted house in the UK.

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at the time we were like yeah it must be great let's see it because we had no internet we don't know what's the most haunted house or not um and she says the reason we've chosen to do this on halloween is because
Halloween is traditionally a night where there's a lot more paranormal activity and we might be able to open up those channels or whatever it might be.

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to to the spirit the spirit world and we it's probably the best night to do this michael markinson and he's just like okay doctor okay so we're kicking off mike we've got a phone call come in
yes we have mike what does it say we've got a message from janet who says she saw a ghostly figure in the footage we showed right at the beginning but then we cut to the doctor who says yeah oh yes i've looked at this many times you're like

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how it's live you couldn't have no no that bit that bit no that bit wasn't live that that was from when they'd set up a camera in the kids room a few months before thank you then thank you so she says well i guess we could check the footage
And he's like, oh, let me ask the producers, can we get that footage loaded up and have a look at that in a moment? It's all very primitive, you know, but it's fine. He goes, well, while we're doing that, we'll cut back to Sarah, who's in the house apple bobbing. So they're in the house.

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apple bobbin in the kitchen and they hear a noise and they hear a louder noise straight away you're like what's this gonna be and a man in a big gorilla mask jumps out of the cupboard and it's craig charles
she's like oh my god you she really wants to swear but she can't you she calls him a beast she calls me and he actually says i had a 10 pound bet on with your husband that i could get you to swear on live tv

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But I didn't get a four-letter word out of you. I got a five-letter word, and I'll take that. You called me a beast. And she's like, oh, Craig, you are a right naughty boy. Cut back to the studio, and it's all, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, and he says, yes, no swearing on TV, Sarah.
So Sarah gives a bit of a backstory on the girls and then they go upstairs with the kids and the kids explain what they've seen. They said, we see a figure in our bedrooms at night sometimes. We have Jason Donovan and MC Hammer posters in the background.

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I have that exact MC Hammer poster that was up on the wall. Yeah, they've got Jason Donovan. It's so early 90s, it's brilliant. Yeah, so the kids explain what they've seen.
ghostly woman in their room sometimes or a ghostly figure that looks like a woman standing over the bed they thought it was their mom and it wasn't their mom um and they've heard it in different seen in different rooms they've heard banging

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and this is where they explain the name for it mr pipes or just pipes and the reason they call it that is because they put it down to the central heating and all the radiator plumbing
making strange noises which you know old houses or even new houses have strange noises from the pipes so they called it pipes and that's just what they called it much like my family called it the gray lady because the ghost that i've talked about on the show just because

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Or the head, the other one that was in my parents' house, because it was just a head that would peep round the corner at us. We just called it the head and the grey lady, and this family called it pipes. I love you saying it the most nonchalantly, like every family has their own little ghost.
We had a couple, but yeah. They're gone. I want a ghost. Slimer. They'll be with you. They'll want Slimer. One of the little girls says, I know where he lives.

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and they're like oh okay oh this she knows where he lives where does he live then and she says he lives in the cupboard under the stairs there's a fucking glory hole which they call the glory hole
Again, this is such a British thing, the glory hole. I love this. Obviously, a glory hole, for anyone who doesn't know, is where you go generally into a gay bar and pop your willy through a little hole.

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and somebody on the other side might give you a little treat. But they call this little room the glory hole, which is where they used to, I think they used to develop photographs in there back in the day with their husband, she said. But they boarded it up.
since because the little girl peeked through a crack in the door and saw someone staring back at her heard breathing and she knows that mr pipes or pipes lives in there and then she says i drew a picture of him would you like to see it and sarah's like

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Well, yes, I think we would. Come on then. So she shows her this terrifying scribbled picture that she's drawn of this thing that apparently lives in the cupboard under the stairs. I don't know why they're still in the house. We'll be finding out why they're still in the house later.
And then their mum says, oh, there's more than that. I found this writing in the school book. And she gets out one of the girls' school books and there's lots of horrible writing in it and bad words. And she says...

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This is 1990. I was so angry. I was going to hit her when I saw this, which, you know, you just wouldn't do that these days or even say that these days. Yeah. But, um, but she says, but she swears it wasn't.
she said it wasn't me mum i told you i didn't write that in my school book yeah so yeah the creepiness is building up you know and craig charles is there to deliver that

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humor whenever he pops up you know he's going to say something silly or do something stupid to make you feel a bit like oh it's all right but at the moment it's pretty creepy yeah it's good
Back to the studio. Got Mike saying that there's more phone calls coming in saying they've seen the dark figure in the background. So more people cementing the first phone calls. Yeah, and they don't go wild with it. They go, we've had like 15 more phone calls. It's not like hundreds.

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now we've got our first phone call earlier on it's like boom straight in there but it's just stuff
it's nothing really they're not really putting much on it like you get some phones in something and they're like oh okay fine it's like you get the odd little things it's not really much so it's very it's very subtly done
So they say, so Michael Parkinson says, well, the producers have actually got that bit of footage back up on the big screen next to us, Dr. Pascoe. So here's our chance to review it. So they review it. Now we, as the watchers of this.

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we definitely see a figure by the curtains pipes this is probably the first image of him in and again this is so ahead of its time it's got these little tiny images of this ghostly figure all the way throughout this 13 times apparently obviously the number 13 i've spotted probably
seven or eight of them myself i haven't seen them all but you can go on youtube and somebody has made videos where it shows you every time he appears and it's very cleverly done um some of you just because again this was going to be a one-off so they really went

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into detail to embed these little images here and there so we see a figure in that original footage in the girls bedroom of somebody stood by the you know it looks like a figure you can just make it out next to the curtains So they rewind it.
The doctor has some crazy tech where she draws a line with a pencil to draw straight on. Man, that's something ahead of its time. Shit there. Well, Michael Parkinson says, well, that's a special pen you can use to draw on the screen. And she's looking at it like he's just offered a...

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i don't know what and she's like what what what this thing and he's like yeah you know like on match of the day when they draw around the football you know on a sporting event you know you can just draw on it so she goes okay so again she's acting all sort of like
okay so she draws and she says what i think's happening here is just this little shadow here that's actually what people are thinking and we as humans we see faces and everyday objects it is a thing she explains it all away and actually when they rewind the footage

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They've taken away that shadowy figure so that we don't see it the second time. So we're doubting ourselves because we can't rewind. We haven't got rewindable TV like we have now.
So we're like, did I see that? It was quite an obvious thing standing there and you could see it. And then it was quite obviously not standing there. They could have done like a little bit more, like have a vase there instead or something. Do you know what I mean?

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so it's explained away it was just a shadow so there we go back to sarah and she says now i'm going to ask pamela mummy here about
She just goes straight in there. What was the worst moment? What's been the worst? This is brilliant. Don't say this down the local supermarket too loudly. My mum was stuck in the glory hole and couldn't get out. She says.

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Well, the worst moment was when I got stuck in the glory hole, which is what we call the little cupboard under the stairs. I went in there one day and I felt the presence of a man or a woman in there with me. This just sounds like a description of a glory hole.
And then I couldn't get out. And he set me off. And he poked his willy through the hole.

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She said she couldn't get out until her little girls pulled the door from the other side and she fell out. Since then, they've had the cupboard boarded up. The glory hole. Yeah, they've never gone back in the glory hole because it's too tight.
But she said when she was in there, she felt the presence of a man and a weird smell like cabbages. Just like a glory hole. And then she starts crying a little bit, you know, just to sell it. And she does a pretty good job. You know, it's pretty convincing.

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then she explains now before anyone asks sarah green we've tried to move house but this is a council property when we've explained what we've experienced here we've had people just tell us we need help from you know
psychiatrists um we even got put in the press the press have gone to town on this woman and they show really legit looking press clippings you know of this woman who's like mum claims she saw the devil in the glory hole and all these kind of things um

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So again, we didn't keep newspaper clippings in the early 90s. So this could be legit from the sun or the Daily Mirror, whatever it might be. Then Sarah says, can I show a clip of that show that you were on that time?
where they went you know they really tore you apart and she's like okay yeah so they show her

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quick tv show where they sort of not very nice to her on there and they're sort of oh yeah yeah whatever of course she saw ghosts you know no one believed her so that's why they haven't moved house because the council won't move them they aren't exactly got a lot of money to just be able to up
sticks and buy a new house and they're ridiculed everywhere they go only the neighbors are kind to them which we find out later so so there we go yep so michael says what pam

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you're going to now go into our mobile studio which is out on the street a little cupboard on wheels uh to give us an interview in a moment so if you could just go out there and leave your girls alone in the house with sarah green and the camera crew
so mum goes out which is which is a quite a thing really that mum just go oh i'll just leave my kids in there and they probably could get traumatized but it does add to again another sort of layer for it but it's quite a thing though isn't it

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But like I say, Sarah Green's there and the crew's there. She can watch what's going on because at points they're like, oh, hi, mum. I guess when one of them goes to the fridge because there's a video, there's a TV monitor there with a camera on her mum, like with what me and Dan are doing now.
Like, you know, and it's really interesting that they do that. Oh, hi, Mum, how are you? Yeah, it's just getting something out of the fridge. But yeah, it's interesting. But yeah, like I said earlier, Sarah Green's there is like a lovely figure for them.

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yeah and she does a great job of that um because she was like a mum to the nation really you know kids grew up watching her and she was so like kind and motherly probably still is um
they get another caller who tells a ghost story so we get these little ghost stories from real real caller in callers you know and i use air quotations for that

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peppered throughout this just telling us these little stories and they all start tying up a little bit into the story of pipes and who it might be which is really cool really well written actually this um then we were in the studio again and the doctor discusses her book
and she shows her book and she shows some documentary footage of one of the girls from the house on the bed um and they they do a stranger things on her they block out all of her senses her ears and her eyes um and they

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They even filled her mouth with a liquid and sealed it shut. Obviously, she could breathe through her nose. And then they said that she was still able to talk with this really creepy voice. And this is obviously, we've seen this in the Enfield.
tapes you know we've heard this voice before hello i'm dead we all know that horrible spooky which has proven to be a hoax but well listeners would have heard it in the trailer at the beginning of the show at the beginning of this review exactly

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So we hear, she says, Michael Parkinson says, OK, we're now going to play you a clip of that audio. If there's anybody in the living room now of a nervous disposition, I advise you to turn off.
You know, so again, it's Michael Parkinson telling us we're about to see some real, hear some real shit. And the lights dim in the studio and we get this reel-to-reel tape playing. It's so cheesy, but it's just brilliant because it's 92.

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And this is where we hear the ghostly voice talking and just saying really creepy stuff. And that was all supposedly coming out of the mouth of a little girl whose mouth was sealed shut. And then they show a picture of...
a room where with stuff floating around in it that happened that night because on the tape we hear loads of crashing and smashing and then we get like she's like oh here's some evidence like here's a tray of like broken ornaments and they show you

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like cups that have been broken in really weird manners you know like it's almost like someone's bit in the top of a cup and she says we have this tested by the british army um you know like they would test like a bomb that's been detonated or something to figure out
you know all the kind of stuff around that and she says they said the only way that these things could have been broken was like really extreme high pressure because they're not smashed they're like broken in a really weird way and she says

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And, of course, everybody's watch is stopped in the room. And again, this is going into us, the viewers' heads, because this...
Watch is being stopped. I totally feel for the people who's legit batchy in their watch at that moment and they just look down and go, oh!
Or what if something in your house did break, you know, by chance? Or literally there was something fused and the power went off. Oh, God. You'd shit it, wouldn't you? Yeah. Jesus.

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Thankfully, I can report nothing happened to me and my mum when we watched it like that. Yeah, anything went off was the TV, so I couldn't see it at all. Yeah, the TV went off and that was it. Yeah, so, you know...
mentioned in the british army testing this stuff again all these little things are really filtering into our consciousness so that we're really believing this story now um and then they showed suzanne the older girl

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who apparently gets weird marks on her body sometimes and they show a photo of her face with really bad scratches all over her and on the back of her neck um and they think that
Well, the Doctor thinks that Suzanne is perhaps the focus of the spirit of pipes, and he's really attracted to her for some reason, and she's going to be the one that we really need to keep an eye on the most.

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So yeah, we've got a lot of evidence there obviously none of it real but at the time, you know It's just considered real really Then we cut to
uh a skeptic live from new york i know this is as soon as you back in the day we didn't have the internet as soon as you had a live video of someone in america oh my god they're in america and it's live wow and they're talking you're like it's an america

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and oh my god because you know it was we didn't have the internet he is he's doing an impression of jeff goldblum i think oh really because he's he's doing that kind of like wow
really kind of jerky talking but he's a skeptic and he's really he's he's really taking the piss out of her at the doctor saying you know this is this can all be easily faked

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you know you're always doing this you've written your book this is all to sell your book i'm here to sort of prove you wrong i'll watch whatever happens live from new york but i gotta say that i think what you're doing isn't very nice you're potentially
you know you're using the this family who probably aren't very well mentally for your own ends really and she's obviously she's very cross and they they sort of argue a lot and michael parkinson even says

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well we'll come back to you in a moment mr new york and he says oh he's really got under your skin hasn't he dr pascal she's like oh really cross about the whole situation um let me cut back to sarah green
who does her best now acting there probably where she says oh i'll tell you my ghostly story actually from a few years ago and she said she was staying at a friend's house

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in a really big mansion out in the country and she woke up and saw an indian woman in her bedroom and strange music playing and she wasn't scared um and she basically
told her friends about it they were like oh yeah there's there's an indian woman buried on the land and she went back said oh don't worry you can rest in peace now it's a bit of a weird story but that story's cut short anyway because kim the youngest daughter says i really need to go to bed now she's probably about 10.

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and they're like yeah all right let's let's take you off to bed then um and then she says well we'll go back to the studio now so um before we do that there's nothing to report here parky you know the house is very cold for some reason
so i'm going to make some coffee for all the cameramen and while they're making coffee casually the cameraman the same guy says oh by the way i thought i heard some kind of scratching earlier coming from one of the walls and the cameraman says probably should mention this

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my watch has stopped okay cool and then we cut to um another telephone
Well, actually, it's like a talking head. It's a talking head, but the face is blurred out, and it's a man retelling the story of saliva on food and shit on his door.

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yeah so exactly so basically this guy who's apparently wants to remain anonymous tells the story of he says saliva but we know it's ectoplasm appearing all over his food one day and it's not the first time it's been on his foot
and he said and there was a time when there was excrement smeared all over the cupboard walls and that's not the first time we found excrement in the house now i was wondering maybe it's just his wife just having a shit in the cupboard and i don't know it could be

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Blame it on the ghost. Amber Heard. Imagine that. There's a shit. Well, it's probably a ghost, Frankie. Do you think? Oh, I can't believe that. A ghost on a penis. Do a DNA test. Do you think Johnny Depp?
Do you think Johnny Depp did that when he saw the poo in his bed? So yeah, he tells his little story. And then we go back to Craig Charles. He's got a very fun energy.

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jumping around the place he even says welcome to fright night he does i love that absolutely love that um he interviews one of the neighbors who said yes we've heard lots of banging um
coming from their house they start saying some horrible stuff's happening even talk about a girl who went missing yeah and they say you know there's a lot of weird things around our neighbourhood on our street

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Basically, whenever there's been bad stuff happening in the house, we let them come into our house for a few hours or even stay over. So they believe it. So these neighbours do believe it. They even found in the playground animal fetuses, they say.
Well, they said, have you not heard about the horrible things that happened in the neighbourhood, Craig Charles? And he says, tell me more. So they said, well, a girl went missing. We don't know what happened to her. Another girl, a child got stabbed.

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And one day, the children were playing in this very playground just behind us, and they found a dead Labrador, but it was pregnant, and all of the baby dogs were scattered all over the playground, and it was discovered by a bunch of children. It's a dead puppy.
i know and again this is the bbc just like going for it man really trying to get under our skin um now if you look in the background you can see pipes in the crowd um he's there

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with a strange bald head wearing wearing a sheet just staring at us but you have to really look for it and again i i really highly recommend going on youtube i'm going to be after this episode's recorded
All you've got to do is search for, you know, pipes, appearances in Ghostwatch, and it will show you all 13 of them. I was just thinking, I look forward to watching this again without reviewing it.
and just sitting back and watching it because reviewing it was a slightly different thing. Yeah, I think I'm going to do the same. I actually purchased it on Prime so I can go back because I knew I'd want to go back and revisit it. This is probably only the third time I've ever seen it.

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once live second on someone lent it to me on dvd i recorded i remember having it recorded on tape of um uh i'm pretty sure tv they did years later
You know, late 90s or some shit like that. I think they played it again. Nice. And I think I recorded it off there then. Well, Craig now interviews a man who is...

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um he's not a priest he's like a he's a postman or something but he does practice exorcism as you do and he says he tried to exercise the house um once but it made him feel really sick
And I was ill for a week. I couldn't get out of bed. And there was a strange energy in the house. And then they cut him off. And they say, sorry, sorry, we've got to go back to Sarah immediately, Craig, inside the house. So we don't hear the rest of that story.

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And Sarah's like, oh my god, guys, look at this. There's a weird puddle on the carpet. Is that the diameter of a 12-inch record? Just on the carpet, it's a big dark spot. Just a perfect circle. It wasn't here before.
And they're like, well, okay, Sarah, can you touch the light bulb or the ceiling above it to see if there's any dripping water coming from above? So she gets on a coffee table. She's like, yeah, there's nothing there.

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and so this is just a page she actually says i thought a cat might have got in and pissed on the floor but they're like a cat wouldn't piss in a perfect circle would it it's like literally a perfect circle of i guess is that i reckon sarah green probably did it
They'd smell it though, surely. A little piss on the floor, didn't she? Don't ruin my thoughts of Sarah pissing on the floor. It might in heighten your thoughts. No, I'm not into the water sports.

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So they asked Sarah to take a sample. It's really clever, this. I bet you liked how he took the sample. No, I think I missed this. I was probably writing a note now. What was it? She says, oh, how can I? And he says, oh, I've got a lens cap.
The cameraman says, you can use my lens cap, which is obviously perfect for scooping a little bit. I look...
I like they get another caller, and he's talking about, and Mark Parkson's laughing at him, he's talking about, I was supposed to hear my cheese and pickle sandwich, and my plate went flying from me hands, and Mark Parkson's like, oh. This caller on a...

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it could have been you because if you were going to call in you'd have been like my sandwich went flying across the room because there's always been sandwiches with you it's always something serious sandwiches you're always making a sandwich or
watching Sharon Stone with a sandwich? It's food. I was telling you earlier, I went for a nice carvery yesterday in a pub near me. Very English in the country, sitting next to a fire, and I'd finished it, and I'd sit there with the guys, and they're all going, oh, oh. And I said to them, if...

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All three of you right now said, do you know what? I could eat another one. I'd be the first up there at Cube paying for another car. I was like, I can go again. I'm ready to go again. Nobody would do it with me. I like food. I like food.
So this caller is significant, this fine sandwich caller, because this is the first caller now, really, where the general public are starting to call in and say weird things are happening to them while they're watching this programme. And this is the first one he says is...

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food is this plate went flying across the room and you know we're gonna get more people calling later with stopped watches and smashed glasses and stuff like that so we go back to sarah um they hear some scratching
tapping sounds coming from the bedroom and they pinpoint it to a wardrobe because at one point she's going to sort of crawl under the bed but then they realize it's coming from the wardrobe and as they're about to go in the wardrobe the girls come running in the car

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sarah sarah pipes is here he's in the kitchen so they all go down to the kitchen and the noise stops and sarah sees a trail of pictures drawn by the children in a line leading up to the sort of french windows
porch doors. And again, if you look, you can see pipes in the garden. That's another sighting of him. But then we get a cat scare, don't we? A nice jump scare from a cat. Meow! Meow!

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And Sarah's like, oh, goodness me, that really scared me. Where did that kitty cat come from? And then we hear banging coming from the kids' room.
And they say, well, we can't see Suzanne, the oldest child, in the bedroom on the CCTV. This is clever. Where is she? Where could she be? She hasn't come out. She's not on the landing.

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and they're sort of running around trying to find her in the house and then all of a sudden they speak there on the camera they ask the doctor back in the studio says panics slightly to live and they see her and she's hidden down banging away on the wall
I know. This is where it all comes crashing down. This is straight away where everyone at home is like, oh no, I told you it was fake Frankie, didn't I? I knew it was these bloody teenagers.

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There's bloody kids mucking around in a clip around the ear. So they...
she's she starts crying says it wasn't me it wasn't me we gave you what you wanted didn't we we gave you what you wanted mum we met we wanted to make them believe we wanted them to see what was happening in the house so she's kind of done this to
give the audience at home what they wanted but we don't really know much more than that and we cut back to parky in the studio and he is sort of oh dear dr pascal you've fucked up haven't you basically it does seem i think we've all been

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caught out by a big hoax from two teenage girls but the doctor's like no no that can't be right no i don't believe this and she's just like a bit like
She's really cross, isn't she? She is a bit because she's come to... It's quite a good act, actually. She's come to that realisation that I've wasted my whole time and the whole nation's going to see me. My credentials are fucked. I'm fucked, you know?

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But she does say, but I witnessed many incidents myself. You know, this is definitely, I don't know what's happening, but this isn't, it's real. And Parkey says, well, I'm going to speak to Suzanne if that's okay. And he says, Suzanne.
has it been you doing it the whole time and she starts crying and this is again she says you know we gave you what you wanted and her mum says i can tell you something my family are telling the truth this is real and then of course they cut back to mr new york and he's like

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Well, I hate to tell I told you so, but I told you so. Mike Smith says the phone lines are going crazy, Michael Parkinson. There's calls coming in, multiple calls about...
shadowy figure in the bedroom lots of people saying that their watches have stopped and Michael Parkinson says well let me ask you the viewers do you think this is a hoax or do you think this is not I think it is

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But why don't you start calling in with that? This is about exactly an outing, and it's quite interesting. It's almost like we're going into the third acts of a movie. And I didn't do this for this, but I was wondering if I went back through the...
the basics of a fucking three-act structure of a film, they're generally the same. I wonder, and probably does, almost by the minute, probably lines up with all the structures of a film. Yeah, because...

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What we thought was happening is now falling apart as we start into the third and crazy final act. This is going to be midpoint turn, really, would be something like this. But yeah, it feels like we're sort of going into the third act. So yeah, it's kind of correct.
Well, we go to another talking head of a woman who's starting to tell a story, but the footage gets corrupted as she's talking, and it all sort of pauses and goes wrong, and Michael Parkinson's struggling to fill the air. He says, oh, sorry about that.

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Not sure what we should do next till we get that bit of footage working. Mike, maybe we should go to a phone call. Mike Smith's like, yes, yes, we've got dozens of messages here. Someone's saying, someone in...
Kent saying that the glass table has just exploded. Someone in Bristol saying all the clocks in their house have stopped. And Michael Parkinson says, well, I think a lot of you out there are getting a little bit hysterical.

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I would like to say that we are after the watershed now. And if your children are watching this, they probably shouldn't be. He tells off all the parents. He does. Send your kids to bed. No, they shouldn't be watching this because they're all getting hysterical. He does tell them off. It's really funny.
he says the last thing i want to do is panic the public um you know we believe him he's the dad of the nation we believe but it's also it's okay though because we've just had this we've just been found out it's fake you know

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yeah that's all good so he says um i believe you wanted to show a bit of footage from your documentary dr pascal about an interview you did with kim um because a lot of these people they're describing
figures that they've seen that look a specific way she said yes i think it'd be very interesting if we watch this particular piece so there's footage from a few months ago where they asked him to describe pipes

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And she gives an exact same description. Yeah, because she's... The Doctor knows there's a presence, a ghost of spirit, whatever it is. Assumes it's a poltergeist in the house.
And they've been looking at one girl in particular who's been having these experiences. So they've been looking at her, haven't they? And that sort of studying her, thinking she's the vessel, she's the doorway.

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but it turns out it's going to probably be the younger girl Kim yeah she's like I think we've been looking at the wrong girl I think we've been looking at the wrong girl and it's like it's like a twist
yeah so park he's even like in on this now he's like well let's go back to the house and they go back to the house and there's loads of cats that we can't see meowing all around the house um and they go upstairs um

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um Suzanne's face is covered in scratches she's lying on the bed in a sort of catatonic state really and Sarah's like what should we do should we call 999 what's happening Michael what should we do and he's like um uh make sure she's okay um
and then somebody says this house is freezing cold um and sarah's like i'll go and get a wet flannel from the bathroom and once she's in there she freaks out because she thinks she's seen a shadow behind the bathroom door

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And then we get another phone call that says, oh, hello there, I just wanted to give you some information on that property. There used to be a child murderer that lived in that house, just so you know. Yeah, he's a bit of a crazy guy who...
killed some children and then killed himself in that house and mike smith's like uh sarah can we get you out the house because obviously that's his wife yeah

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And then Kim, the little girl, says, Pipes is in the room right here with us. And we hear loads of banging. Also in the room of films, a crisscross poster. Yes, I didn't spot that. Yep.
Make you want to jump. They're standing next to each other with their trousers on one standard the other way and one standard front way. Make it a make it a make it a make it a make it a Mac daddy. Rest in peace, one of them.

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Yeah, the kids are really distressed at this point. And Mike says, look, we're getting dozens of phone calls now about people's clocks, watches stopping, things breaking and smashing, weird electrical faults.
and it's really ramping up now so like we the viewer are like oh what like we just discussed like what if something in your house did go wrong at that point you'd be like what if like your budgie died

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while you're watching this there's a bit where the camera pans around very quickly and there's a figure standing there and it looks like almost like a centipede and the camera goes back there again goes off and goes back there and it's not there it's like oh
Yeah, because then we cut back to Sarah and the footage is really playing up, isn't it really? There's really loud feedback, lots of banging. A picture flies off the wall, which is done very convincingly.

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and it's like oh that picture just fell off the wall right everybody out everybody out suz suzanne is um starts talking in a scary voice she says um what big eyes you have what big teeth you have and she's sort of cowering around the sofa but
with all these scratches on it. It's very exorcist, obviously. It's all totally, like, really hectic. So, obviously, like you said, there's interference as well. There's video interference starts coming in a little bit and feedback starts happening on the microphones randomly.

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And then they realise that the younger girl, Kim, is gone. They can't find her anywhere in the house. So then we get the shots of Sarah in all the rooms running around. Kim, where are you? Kim, are you in here? And they manage to find her. The sound guy passes out.
well that they find they find her behind the sink and then um sorry behind the fridge and then they hear a cat coming from the glory hole it's not often you hear a pussy coming from the glory hole

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But they do, and then the footage again goes wonky, and then the door starts to open, and you do catch a little glimpse of a bold figure in there. Maybe that's the bit I'm thinking of, maybe. Yeah, and, well, then there's a couple...
Probably there's a couple of them. And then, yes, the cameraman just completely crashes out onto the floor. And the kids say, he's hurting me. He's hurt. You just hear one of the girls going, he's hurting me. And then the camera cuts.

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Yep. And we've lost the live feed. So we go back to Craig, who doesn't know. He doesn't know, and he's just standing there, just chatting away, like, oh, yeah, whatever, and just having a little chit-chat. He's like, yeah, I'd probably go for a curry later, and then...
Oh, what do you mean we're alive? I can't believe that. Katara's been alive. That's just fucking ridiculous, man. He starts moaning about it. Yeah, and he can't even hear Michael Parkinson. Makes it realistic, though.

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Yeah, because Parky's trying to chat to him from the studio and Craig can't hear him. So he fills the air a little bit, Craig. And then Parky's like, well, look, we've managed to get the feedback up, so let's cut back to the house. And it's very peaceful.
you've got sarah playing a board game with the two girls and everyone's there and he's like well it looks like that cameraman's probably okay ladies and gentlemen at home um and everything's really peaceful they're playing a board game so that's fine let's take another call

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And there's another person who knows the history of the house who says there was a secret room that was sublet to a molester who says he was possessed by the spirit of an evil woman.
And eventually he killed himself in the cupboard under the stairs. And when they found him, he'd been eaten by his own cats. So it's like, again, BBC are really...

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going hell for leather with this story like shitting up everybody in 1992 because that image of finding the body of a man a week after he'd killed himself with his face being eaten off by cats is just it's like okay and then the caller just hangs up
just so we don't get any more backstory so now we know there's definitely evil spirits in the house it's like the amateurville house but at this point it's amazing doctor goes oh my god it starts kind of having this new realisation

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the ghost is in the machine it's in everything it's like what yeah because michael says that's it no more calls tonight and she's like michael do you not realize what you've done and he's like what what do you mean and he's acting quite like scared and
confused says you've created a giant nationwide seance how cool is that when he said that it's like that is so cool like a massive nationwide seance and as she's saying this

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this crazy wind is blowing into the studio and he's like what is there a wind machine i wish i'd seen all of this i'll just ship a friend up i don't quite remember all of these bits obviously but i must have been freaked out when this bit happened
And yeah, like all the scripts are blowing across the room and he's confused. He's like, why is there a wind machine? This wasn't, what's happening? And yeah, it's all acting pretty crazy. And then we cut back to...

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the police outside the house and an ambulance. And Craig is helping get some of the people out of the house, Craig Charles. And they're like, okay, where's Sarah Green? Where's Suzanne, the older girl? We've got to try and find them.
And then we cut to some weird footage inside the house. We do have night vision cameras as well at times. So she switches on infrared now because she's looking around the house for Suzanne.

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And it's really scary, really tense. It goes silence of the lambs at this point. It's scary, man. And she uses a light cigarette lighter to search. She goes in the kitchen.
the kitchen starts going crazy things are flying around and breaking the studio goes crazy what we didn't probably mention actually was what they realized what the doctor realized was

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they weren't watching the live feed when they saw that image of the girls playing a board game the ghost the reason she knew it was in the machine is the ghost had looped older footage
of them she was like look the picture is still on the wall and it flew off the wall just now so we know this is old footage and they're like oh my god that's when everything starts going crazy which again it's like way ahead of its time to show looped footage

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Do you know what I mean? We've seen that a million times now where they loop a CCTV so they can break into something, you know, but I'd never seen anything like this before.
Everything's going crazy in the studio. Everything's going crazy in the kitchen and house. Sarah goes to the glory hole. If I ever owned a pub, I'd call it the glory hole, I think. We're going tonight. Going down the glory hole.

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come on down um susie is inside the glory hole so sarah goes to the glory hole and it's like susie are you in there and they're like sarah don't open that door what are you doing
And she goes in and the door shuts. And then we cut back to the studio, which is just everybody running out of the studio. The lights are blowing. It's just hectic. There's like a hurricane blowing through there. Mike Smith having a go at a producer.

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what the heck is going on? My wife's in that house. I want to make sure she's in the chair. Um, um, um, he's no idea what's going on at all. Um,
I love Mike Smith going crazy at the producers. One of my favourites is just his camera. It's like a ghost on the camera just moving it across the studio slowly by itself. And the power, all but...

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All of the power, like 80% of the power in the studio has gone out, really. Just a few cameras working a couple of lights in there. It all goes dark. You can just hear Michael Bogson still talking.
And he's going, what's going on? What's happening? I don't remember any of this being in the script or anything like that. And then we get a real close-up on the lower part of his face. And he says, round and round the garden.

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And then he starts saying weird little things like that. And then we just hear a cat go. And that's the end. And then the credits roll. And we don't get any music. Any score. It's just wind howling and blowing.
as the credits roll over and i can imagine every household in the uk in 1992 at half past nine at half past ten at night when this finished no one no one was sleeping that night no i don't think so

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And it's so cheesy now, and it is a cheesy production, but... I don't know. Because it was, you know, played off as a live footage, you know, fucking hell, it's just...
it was an event an absolute event there's a certain events in tv i can remember you know 9 11 diana's funeral this jewels 3d being shown on tv we've talked about that before where we got them we got them

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glasses free with radio times. I definitely do not remember Diana's what, wedding? Funeral? Funeral. No, I don't remember that. Definitely the Jules 3D thing, absolutely. So yeah, um...
look this is a nine out of ten for me it is phenomenal it's cheesy it's got 90s nostalgia but what you've got to remember is and i always say this but you've got to think about the backstory the balls that the BBC had back then to do this and get Michael Parkinson and other...

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real presenters involved and try and fool the name they knew what they were doing yes they called it a drama yes it said directed by and written by starring but people weren't watching tv like they do now
They would have tuned in and out. They might have turned over a half an hour into this. You know, and it's got absorbed into it. It's a pair of brothers that wrote it. It's just phenomenal.

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What have they gone on to do, I wonder? I'm looking right now for you. Yeah, because it's just a great piece of work. Sorry. Ignore me. It wasn't some brothers. Ignore me.
Okay. I'm just looking now. It was written by a guy called Stephen Volk. I can tell you that. And Stephen Volk is a Welsh... guy who wrote the awakening yeah the awakening um so he's a writer mainly he wrote afterlife a tv series um he's written a few things here and there are some things

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But the point is, this was lightning in a bottle. Everything lined up. And yeah, if you stuck with us and still have never seen Ghostwatch, go to Prime now, rent it, even buy it, I'd say.
it's a great one to watch and actually i've decided next halloween this will be my halloween night watch i'm gonna relive my 14 year old oh man should we do it live should we do we should do it with all the audience

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Yeah, let's do it. Let's do a watch party with as many people as we can. We can all dress like we're kids again.
I'll get my He-Man sleeping bag and I'll pretend I'm sleeping on your bedroom floor. I've still got my Star Wars duvet. I've still got my 18 one. Yeah.
my mum was like should i throw this away when i was like 40 i was like what are you talking about give it in don't put it in a bag and hand it to me well i've got it here now and occasionally jack uses the pillowcase um yeah yeah elijah you always uses my superman or uh um

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Return of the Jedi pillowcase. He thinks Mr. T is a pirate because of all of his jewellery and the way he's sort of doing this. How can I have the pirate pillowcase? I now want to see the pirate movie with Mr. T.
Arrgh, you crazy fool. So look, that was Ghostwatch. It's obviously a thumbs up from both of us. Are you now going to tell me some spooky stuff? Do you know why?

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There's a spooky person from a spooky movie called Ghostbusters just walked in. And he's being very serious today because the scene that we get him to replay every time is from a similar show.
Bill by the way I DJed a couple of weeks ago Bill I played your theme song twice I played Ghostbusters twice I had loads of 18 year olds dancing away to Ghostbusters

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He says, busting makes him feel good, Gav. It makes me feel good too. I love that Ray Parker Jr., I was telling my wife this story, wrote that song in 36 hours because Ivan Reitman phoned him up and said...
we need a song about guys who catch ghosts. And he was like, what, what do you mean? And he said, we had a song by Huey Lewis in the news, but they don't want us to use it anymore. This is the song. And the song is called, I need a new drug.

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And it goes... And it's so similar. So he pretty much copied it, gave it back to them. And then he phoned up a few days later and said, actually, don't use that because it is...
i'm really copying huey lives in the news and they're like too late it's in the film it's in the film and it's going out to cinemas now
He was like, ah, shit. And then he got sued by Huey Lewis. Really? Yeah. They tried to sue him. But that song is like one of the most listened to Halloween songs of all time now. Yeah, I know. I'll play it twice. In fact, I saw something that said it was the number one. Number two is...

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The Monster Mash, and number three, it was Thriller. I played all of these. And White Zombie, and I played Alice Cooper, Be My Frankenstein. Oh, that's a great song.
Cramps, stuff like that. Yeah, there's a great hip-hop song called Freaks Come Out At Night by Houdini. Yeah, I love that one. Freaks come out at night. Freaks come out at night. Freaks come out.

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that's a good one you'd like saturday night because i was playing early on sorry guys i played at my friend's 50th birthday party dj just have a quick segue you'd like it early early on dang because i was like well we've got all these people later on they're playing hip-hop they can play house they're playing funk i sort of programmed it all
and that was I'm playing early so I can then go hang out my friend before me Luke he played dub so I had to play stuff so I played up Madonna and I played Electro

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You know, Roxanne Chante, the sort of things. Electro stuff, it was great. It was really good. You would have loved it. I had loads of old heads there going, because I hadn't heard, jam on it, jam on it, or whatever, or Mantronics or whatever. Yeah, it was good.
It's not hip-hop. It's electro. Anyway, Bill. Bill's waving his finger at us. He wants us to get a go. So, Bill, you've been very sensible. Please take us in to World of the Strange. It's not his finger. He's waving. Let's go.

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Hi, welcome back to World of the Strange. World of the Strange. World of the Strange.
This is a World of the Strange. World of the Strange. World of the Strange. World of the Strange. World of the Strange. Thank you, Bill Murray, for bringing us into World of the Strange.

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been very well behaved today he's very excited it is in his same outfit he wore in ghostbusters 2 when he did that um sketch there's at least 15 seconds of nonsense sounds we just did it is of course i like a long long sustained
level of sound nonsense 15 seconds of nonsense sounds like going to bed with me 15 seconds in the glory hole it's all Dan needs so now guys now

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as we're covering a couple of films that are based on real life they're not but supposedly real life tv incidents i thought what better thing to do than go for a list
of real life horrific things that happened whilst live TV transmitted them into our living rooms. That doesn't sound good. It doesn't, doesn't it? And I've seen a lot of these. Oh, God.

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either on YouTube or live when they happened. I don't like live stuff. I like fantasy in my head. So the first one is, of course, 9-11.
So, yes, 9-11, we all know what happened in 2001. Yeah, I've seen many a documentary, I think most people have this. I saw this live. Yeah, yeah, of course. You know, I'm sure you did. I didn't see the first plane hit. Not the first, yeah, I was skating.

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i was at work the next day i was at work in the office morning they just installed um big tvs all around the office so that we can have sky news on all the time probably a couple of weeks before and i was on my lunch break
I came back in and there was somebody said, Dan, you're going to New York in four weeks. Look. And there was one of the towers smoking. And I was like, what the hell has happened? And they said, oh, they don't know. A plane's crashed into it. And I was like, that's mental. Fuck. We were supposed to be going.

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we booked a helicopter that flies between the towers as a like a sightseeing helicopter i was like shit so i was texting my friend rob saying oh have you seen this he said what what do you mean i said check it out check out when you can because you know the internet was there but it wasn't like
in our pockets and um then they showed what i thought was a replay and what i think a lot of people thought was a replay when the next plane hit and then we realize as did the

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people in the studios oh my god yeah it took a few seconds for us to realize we were watching it happen again yeah um yeah so 2001 extremists used four commercial airliners to commit
an attack on america 19 members from the terrorist group al-qaeda hijacked and crashed two of the four planes into the world training center one in each tower supposedly one into the pentagon and supposedly one into pennsylvania

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I don't believe those last two. And I found out recently, Oz Perkins, the director who's doing a lot of horror movies at the moment, is fucking knocking them out of the park. Indeed. His dad...
you know, Norman Bates himself, his mum was on one of the planes that went into the Wonder Towers. Yes, his mum and his stepdad, I think it was. How crazy is that, though? Yeah. Yeah.

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um your dad dies of aids the tower has collapsed due to the i love that dad dies of aids
The tower has collapsed due to the fires weakening. Again, I don't know how much of this I believe. I'll save that for maybe a conspiracy theory episode, but I do think that this was an inside job. They had some picture, didn't they, of Washington?

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Yeah. Pentagon. Yeah. I think there was a lot of inside cover-up going on with this, personally. Yeah, there's definitely things that parts in here and there seem shifty in that, but I don't know. But...
What we must say is almost 3,000 people died, 6,000 other people were injured. It's definitely, it was very real in that people died, and we saw it live on TV.

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crazy crazy no one did any more work in my office for the rest of the day and i still went to new york four weeks later and it was a very strange experience
Yeah, I was supposed to go to America the next day, and we were just getting an escape pod. My friend came down and said, Oi, guys, better come check this out. We went back to his house, watched it, and went, Oh, fuck. So we went to the airport the next day, and it was chaos.

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absolute chaos and we went fuck it we've already booked off two week holiday we all sorted to go on while they what we do so we spent a week in london and my friend's flat
Even though we live fucking really close to London, but we spent a week skating around London skate parks and stuff. And then we went, fuck it, let's go to Paris next week. So we got a Eurostar from London to Paris. Then in Paris, we went, fuck it, let's go down to Marseille where there's some...

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big skate bowls which i couldn't skate it was too gnarly uh so we went down there and stayed in a really plush hotel on my friend's credit card did you get your money back from the from the flights yeah yeah
yeah we we didn't get we would have had lost loads of money had we cancelled which is part of the reason we still went um but yeah there we go well that was the first one on the list the second one on the list now i must

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warn our listeners and you, Gav, there is some dog trauma in this one. Sarah, don't listen, please. So, a gentleman by the name of Daniel V Jones, and I've seen this online, this footage.
set his dog on fire and then committed suicide by blowing his head off with a shotgun all live on television what the fuck in 1998

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so not a lot of people knew about this and i certainly not heard of it but um yeah so april nine in 1998 a man along with his dog stopped his pickup truck on the top of a freeway transition ramp um
The police closed the freeway ramp, tried to communicate with him as he sat in his truck. They couldn't understand what was happening. By this time, loads of helicopters were reporting the news, circling him.

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And obviously, like the OJ chase and all that kind of thing. Obviously, he was sitting there going...
at that point it's just because stopped obviously not taking it into account of the chaos that is surrounding him must realize like this is what turned into my other podcast must have realized that uh he was about to commit suicide so do you think he's that far to his dog

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um because he didn't want to shoot his dog because it's too personal if he shot his dog personally where setting fire he just dies from being set on fire even though he's doing it it's not as like aiming a gun and shooting do you know what i mean well after a while he got out of the truck and went
to the back of it and pulled out a big banner that said hmos are in it for the money live free love safe or die apparently he had aids and cancer um

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and he laid the banner out on the road for everyone to see the helicopters from the you know the news agencies were reporting then he did a mooney he pulled a mooney on them showed him his ass and slapped his ass
basically saying kiss my ass so these news reporters are loving this they're reporting ladies and gentlemen he's just moved as i do apologize to anybody at home that's seeing a bottom live on tv um little did they know what was about to happen after that because um

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they noticed a shotgun one of the news crew lying in the back of his van as well he got back in his truck and he lit a cigarette
It turns out he had multiple Molotov cocktails inside the cab of his truck, and as he was smoking, the fumes from the gasoline ignited. He jumped out of the cab. He was on fire. He slapped himself out, put the flames out by slapping them.

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stripped off all his clothes and he ended up being naked from the waist down. So he only had a shirt on, like Winnie the Pooh. Unfortunately, the dog was still inside the truck. Oh, so he didn't sit on the phone accidentally.
yeah right but you can see the dog on fire running around inside inside the and again this is all being reported live on the news um and then the man fell to his knees and started crying

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Got the shotgun to put it in his mouth and blew his head off. That's mental.
All live on the news. That is insane. Fuck. I'm sure a lot of news agencies would have cut away from it, perhaps, when they saw the shotgun being pulled out. Oh, God. But even so. Wow. Yeah.

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And if you want to hear horrible other stories like that, check out the Horror Strangers podcast. Yeah. Now, a lot of people will know Christine Chubbuck. There's a movie out.
called christine i think it's about five or six years ago came out maybe a bit older not christine the john carpenter stephen king movie about a car about the presenter christine chubbuck who in 1974 committed suicide

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live on TV while presenting the news. I've seen the footage as well. She's the first person to ever have done so during a live television broadcast. She was covering a news story about a shooting at a local restaurant.
when the previously recorded clip for the story jammed. She shrugged it off and said to the viewers, in keeping with Channel 40's policy in bringing you the latest in blood and guts and living colour, you're going to see another first, an attempted suicide.

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She reached under the desk and pulled out a revolver from her purse, pointed it in the back of her head behind her right ear, pulled the trigger, fell forward violently, slamming her head into the desk, and the station went.
to commercials then after a few public service announcements it came back on she died 14 hours later at the hospital

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um and after the shooting the news director found the script christine had written for the newscast which included her suicide she'd scripted to do this live on air she'd planned it you know and there is a film
out all about this um which is i've not seen but i really want to check out yeah 1974 don't expect that to kind of happen really do you just pull out your gun while you're in the middle of reading the news and blow your brains out live on air no

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Really crazy. Like I said, the footage is out there if you want to watch it. There's a documentary, there's a film all about it. We all know the film Munich, directed by Spielberg.
based on the 1972 Olympic Massacre. So, known as the Munich Massacre, at the 1972 Olympics in Munich and Germany, Palestinian terrorists, known who called themselves Black September,

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took Israeli Olympians hostage. The terrorist group, some of this was obviously live on TV, the terrorist group sneaked into an apartment complex that was housing the Olympic athletes.
and they helped um someone they apparently people helped them help the terrorists sneak in so they had an inside man they entered the israeli's rooms while they were asleep the israeli olympians fought back

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one of them managed to knock out one of the terrorists but was then shot during the struggle some of the israelis managed to escape the terrorists ended up with nine hostages and their main demand
was the release of just over 200 palestinians who were in jail in israel now by this time the international news channels again had surrounded the apartment cameras everywhere filming everything that was going live

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And during the live broadcast, the terrorists could be seen going to the balcony, showing off the hostages. At one point, they hit one of the hostages on the head with the butt of the AK-47 to show they meant business. Again, this was all live on TV.
There was a failed ambush attempt by the German police and then they tried some more negotiations and then they started making their way to the airport. Unfortunately, whilst this was all happening on live TV, a shootout began.

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between the police the army and these terrorists with these poor olympic hostages in the middle um the mission was obviously going to fail one of the terrorists shot one of the israelis point blank
with an assault rifle on tv threw a grenade into a helicopter as he got out which exploded on tv uh there was more shootouts a bit later on most of the terrorists were either killed or captured

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So in total on live television, we had 17 people killed, 11 Israelis, a German police officer, and five of the terrorists were killed as well. So it's basically like an episode of the 18.
But it was real, with people dying. Yeah. 1972. That's gnarly. I didn't see that, obviously. I wasn't born, but... Yeah. I've seen the film. I've seen the film. It's good. Eric Bana's in it. You've seen that?

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i haven't seen it though that's pretty good it's quite slow but obviously you know where it's going to go so yeah it's a bit crazy another one that we probably would have seen obviously we're in the uk but if you're in america this would have been all over your news channels but um
We saw snippets of it on our news. 1992, the LA riots. Yeah, but I've watched a very, very good documentary, LA riots too.

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Made up of all the footage. I didn't see that at the time, to be honest with you. I saw this in the documentary. It's quite shocking stuff. Yeah, the stuff that was going on as well as side by side with the riots as well. Yeah. People just lost their minds.
um yeah six day riot went on in la in 92 in april um a lot of the chaos was captured by news helicopters and broadcast live for six days there were 63 deaths

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2,380 injuries and they arrested 12,000 people. It was detailed as one of the worst tragedies to occur in California ever.
yes uh off the back of rodney king wasn't it yep yep um we all know what happened to poor rodney king got beaten up but somebody had a camera and uh that footage was shown on the news and a lot of black neighborhoods went

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a lot of neighborhoods generally went absolutely crazy over what happened to this poor black fellow and uh yeah six days worth of writing looting murder rape and god knows what else was going on it was just like the purge for real yeah
And like Gav said, there is a brilliant documentary, which was on Netflix and might still be, called LA92, which gives you a horrific insight into what happened. I don't think it's on Netflix anymore. I think it's on Disney. Possibly.

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Yes, very, very good. It leads through the whole story through CCTV news footage, etc. It's very well made. Yeah, another one which...
Weed. I didn't watch life. This is the depressing world of a stranger. Life isn't always, you know. Boxes of charters.

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Another one that we talked about at school, I didn't see live, but it was broadcast live, was 1986, the Space Shuttle Challenger. Oh, yeah, it blew up, didn't it?
it did yeah all seven crew members died just over a minute into its blasting off it was live everyone was excited look at this everyone we're all watching it and then it exploded and you can see this footage now and it's the crowd just scream and cry and yeah

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and it was the first fatal incident involving an american spacecraft lost in flight and obviously it was all on live television um it's pretty sad and one of my good friends surname is challenger
So we all took the piss out of him. Because that's what horrible children did at school back in the day. And horrible children still probably do it today. Yeah.

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indeed indeed but yeah the space shuttle challenger that was live tv another live suicide for you gav this is a really interesting one and i've unfortunately seen the suicide
Many years ago I watched this because I was really interested in this story. So there was a Republican member of the Pennsylvania State Senate called R. Bud Dwyer. And he called a press conference.

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at which he committed suicide in front of all the press and cameras. So what does he talk about? So many believed he called the press conference. They thought he was going to be announcing his resignation.
Because he'd just been convicted in 1986 for bribery. Right. He was scheduled to be sentenced the next day. So he called this press conference. So instead, I'm going to disturb the whole fucking nation.

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So he was facing 55 years in prison and a fine of over $300,000. Now, at the press conference... How old was he at the time? He was... I'm not sure.
doesn't say maybe 40s no it's 50s i would say so he's gonna die in prison yeah right so at the press conference and again i've seen this he he reads that statement where he says

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I promise you I'm innocent. I did not do any of this. He ended a statement by saying, please leave immediately if you've got a weak stomach or mind.
I don't want to cause physical or mental disorder to anybody. I love you. Thank you for making my life so happy. Goodbye to you all. On the count of three, I'll be saying goodbye. Please make sure

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The sacrifice of my life is not in vain. He then handed out documents to people that he worked with, his secretaries and things like that. Sort of, I don't know what was in those documents. Letters to each one of them, surely.
So it was all planned out. And then he pulled a .357 revolver out of one of the envelopes. And everyone was, like, stunned. He pointed the pistol in the air and said, again, please, please leave the room.

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if this will because this will affect you i think for a lot of you and then somebody said no no don't do it don't do it you could really hurt somebody with that and before they could grab the gun he put the barrel in his mouth and blew the back of his head out
He collapsed onto the floor. His eyes were still open with blood pouring out of his nose. There was blood all over the wall behind him. And this was broadcast unedited on live TV. Fucking hell.

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Why didn't they cut it? About an hour after it happened, they broadcast it. Okay. That's weird. Yeah.
That's the reason to do they showed it an hour later again Okay, I've seen it and it's such as so

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chilling because he he hands out all these documents and he gives all these this really sound of mind he seems you know and then the last envelope he just pulls his scanner and you're like what he does it
Oh, God. I don't want to ever see that. Yeah. Well, I'll end it there, Gab, because, you know, there's other things out there. He was that guy that set himself on fire. Can you tell us about a cat video on YouTube?

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No. Right. So, yeah, there we go. They're all pretty bad. How about we go back to a nice film, though? Well done.
I've just typed in cat video. So let me just tell you what's going on with this cat video. I think I've...

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Oh, funniest cats ever. Oh, a cat jumps up on the worktop and just bounces off. Oh, there's another cat just pulling itself along its front nose. Oh, another cat just bit its owner.
i tell you what listeners if that was a bit too much for you google cats with cucumbers that will make you laugh because cats are afraid of cucumbers because they think they're a snake it's something in their dna from hundreds and hundreds of millions of views

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And if you put a cucumber behind the cat and it doesn't see you doing it, when it turns around, it jumps like 10 feet across the room. I did try a black plastic comb, you know, a comb of teeth where you can... Yeah, like a film, yeah. That...
Running your finger down there. I watched some cat on YouTube. I tried with Jeremy, which is Sarah's cat. She did it and they looked at me. But Jeremy's a bit special. So I think that might be the reason why it didn't affect her.

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There we go. So cucumbers with cats. If all that terrorism... Shout out Jeremy. Shout out Vinny. Sarah's cats. Shout out to the Pussy Brigade.
And that's better ending and a bit more happy than people topping themselves live on telly. Well, Bill has now got a huge piece of wood in front of him with a little hole in it. Well...

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Yeah, I don't want to know what that is. That's your glory wood. What? No, glory plank. No. I feel like we should probably watch a trailer for instead a live exorcism.
on tv let's do it bill take us out of here and we'll go into a trailer please that's all the time we've got for this week on world was strange next week though give me iron hairless pets weird

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We are back in five, four. Now, here's Mr. Midnight, Jack Dowler. Oh, good evening, night owls.
Thank you for allowing me into your living rooms once again. Well, night owls, we've got a heck of a show in store for you tonight, and I'm very excited for you to see it all unfold before your very eyes. I really hope you love it.

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I'm trying to host a nationally syndicated talk show. And I'm trying to help you keep it on the air. We all know how important it is to keep our...
sponsors and affiliates happy, but in my humble opinion, there is only one person who really matters in this whole darn crazy business. And that is you, our viewer.

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You're meddling with things you don't understand. Whoa! Now, as you know, here on Night Owls, we think it's very important to keep an open mind. Please welcome Dr. June Ross Mitchell and Lily Young.
Subject of the book, Conversations with the Devil. I really don't think it's a good idea, Jack. It's becoming more unpredictable. That's a good thing. That's why we still do live TV. Ladies and gentlemen, please stay tuned for a live television first as we attempt to commune with...

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the devil Lily can you hear me
Good to see you again, Jack. Lily, return to me. This isn't about ratings anymore. No one's going anywhere. How could you let it happen, Jack?

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how could you let it happen please be warned anyone with young children in the room you're about to see you okay jack is profoundly disturbing and shocking you get out there mr midnight
And you knock him dead. Late Night with the Devil. 2023, rated 15, an hour and 33 minutes.

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A live television broadcast in 1977 goes horribly wrong, unleashing evil into the nation's living rooms. Gets a 7 out of 10.
Australian production, isn't it? I think. Is it? I think so. Fantastic film to come out of recent years. Independent movie just... perfect casting this movie has i think the host is brilliant um i i this the aesthetic the look of it is uh it's brilliant you know it's uh

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A very, very good film. As soon as I saw it in the cinema, and I wanted to see it in the cinema, which was a really interesting experience of it. It's like watching, maybe ghost watching the cinema. It feels like, obviously, it's a television, so you've got, at times, the format's like a square box.
you're watching it in you know rather than widescreen sort of thing um and watching it cinema is quite an interesting experience because you should really be watching it on a tv it feels like but so you know it's a film um it's well produced but i don't know it's

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really good film what do you think about it yeah i really um i really like it uh this is my second watch so the first time i watched it i was like yeah this is great and re-watching it i remember there's a couple of things about it that i um
Not happy with. But... Interesting. I lean into it because this isn't... strictly a fine footage film it masquerades as a fine footage film but because of the behind the scenes black and white bits no one really would have been there filming that

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funny enough i don't ever kind of put this into found footage territory i just kind of put it into like a false documentary it's not trying to be found yeah and i think actually the same the same with ghost watch it's not really a fine footage it's more of a mockumentary um
Found footage isn't a name. It's like footage you could find, or the film's been made up of footage which has been found. This is a live broadcast. It's a totally different nature.

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Interestingly, this movie made $666,666 at the box office. I bet it bloody didn't.
Of course, at one point it did, yes, but then it went past that or wasn't at that. But Bob. Okay.
But box office figures, the trivia continues, can be manipulated by around 5% by the distributor. So they would have seen that. But it's still cool.

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As we mentioned earlier, this film does really take its, you know, it follows on quite in there. What is the devil actually trying to get out of that? I'm going to make them. Only make.
Six numbers. It's loads of sixes. Because I'm the devil. What does he get out of that? It's completely pointless.

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Six is my favourite number. The devil doesn't give a shit. He's like, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, so it really borrows in some ways from Ghostwatch.
It's also got some exorcist stuff in this, you know, so I'm loving it already. It was directed by Cameron and Colin Cairns, who are the two brothers. And the only person really of note...

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that you would know in this and everybody in this is fantastic because it's done in a very much like ghost watch a very low production but this one has a high production but it still makes it feel like it's that 70s
TV talk show that they had late night. And David Dasmalchian is absolutely phenomenal. I've always been a fan of him. He's been in multiple films. He's a bit of a bit player. He normally is like a...

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You know, he just shows up in side roles here and there. He's been in a couple of superhero movies. He was in one of the... What's the... Suicide Squad. He was in one of those as well. And he's just a great, fun...
Was he in the Voyage of the Demeter as well? He was, wasn't he? He was in that, I believe. I will look. Yeah, but he plays the main guy in this, Jack Delroy, who is, you want to be...

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late night jimmy kim all or whatever it was in the 70s conan um and he's great he's charming he's lovable he's fun and he is surrounded by
A wonderful cast. I love Gus, his sort of sidekick. Yes, he was. He wasn't that, wasn't he? Gus, his sidekick is...

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Every talk show host has got a sidekick that they look at and go, hey, isn't that right, Gus? You know, and then you've got Christo. I feel sorry for Gus, by the way.
I do as well. Chris Dow is an amazing character, played by Faisal Buzzy. He is like... He's great, isn't he? Yuri Geller on speed. Yeah. He's brilliant.

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He definitely would have been a guest on Bill Murray's World of the Strange and Ghostbusters 2. And then you've got all the other people that are floating around. You've got a dickhead.
cocaine loving producer that shows up occasionally like oh we're on track everything's going great keep it going yeah and then then you've got the doctor who's very similar to the doctor from ghost watch yeah and she's got a subject a little girl very similar to ghost watch

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But we aren't here to compare these two. Obviously, there will be comparisons between them, but it definitely is a fantastic movie in its own right. Like I said, I have a few issues with it in that I kind of have to let go of it being a full-on TV.
live production because they do cut away to the behind the scenes and the ending is so back

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shit crazy that you are either going to hate this film because of the ending or you're going to love it even more and I love it even more because of the ending because it just goes to 12 it doesn't even go to 11 it goes to 12 at the end it does yeah
and my boy what a downbeat ending as well and quite sad at times with regards to his wife and stuff as well you know they do a really good job of pulling at the heartstrings here and there

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And it's just an intriguing, well-written story presented in this really great faux documentary or mockumentary. It's funny, obviously, it gets inspiration from Ghostwatch. But Ghostwatch didn't have...
It does. It does have some story, but it's a story of some fucking horrible bastard that lived at a house and did horrible stuff, and then this ghost, whatever, do you know what I mean? This obviously has, like you say, more of an emotional story.

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people could relate to actually you know um and it's funny because this is inspired kind of by ghost watch and i think also both playing live out on halloween um
it's really interesting you actually end up having a big massive backstory and the history info dump of the protagonist the uh the late show host

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everything about his rise to his career and all that stuff which we get to and stuff and it shows it but yeah it's quite interesting and it's got some bits again like ghostwatch with pipe showing up there's some bits in this that you will want to rewind because you'll be like did i just see what i thought i saw
and then later on they actually say let's check that footage again and and stuff like that it's got some good gore in it which you wouldn't expect um it's a very well produced film um i'm pretty sure it's australian i think you're right it was melbourne

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No, but in Australia it was filmed. Yeah. And it's one of those films which, we're at the beginning of it, there's so many idents for companies. I know.
oh my god is this going to be a really bad movie because sometimes that happens it's got like 12 logos that come up or something at the beginning and you're like luckily it isn't

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But it does make you go, oh, this is the movie. No. That's the movie. No. That's the movie. No. That's the movie. No. What this movie does really well is, by the way, anybody who has Shudder, this is on Shudder.
um right now um and i think it's a shadow exclusive so it'll probably always be on there um what this movie does really well is captures that 70s nostalgia because it starts off in 72 and then the actual event the night of the recording on halloween is 1977

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So it spans like five years in the middle 70s and it captures it really well because that was the whole time we had the sort of the heavy metal, rock and roll, devil music, you know, horror movies and rock music.
and then you had all the cults that were coming into play and this is all kind of briefly mentioned in a moment we'll get when we get into it so it kind of bandwagons onto all of that stuff really well and

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In the middle of that, you know, these late-night talk show hosts, and they still are, you know, look at what happened recently with Jimmy Kimmel, you know, making a joke about Trump and getting...
suspended for a week or whatever it was these guys are still really huge celebrities people tune into them every night to watch what they've got to say and the jokes that they've got the guests that they've got on people promoting their films and their books and whatever and it's great tv and um

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and it all started back you know in the probably started in this
late 60s i would say but it was always saying um for people because in england we have like michael box and like we speak about exactly he was actually one um we do have did have them one for a long running runs obviously jonathan ross has been going since ever and still yeah um

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um it's quite an event i think it's probably possibly in america as well every night yeah wicked you know it's the late night host bit margin some slight naughty sort of racy type jokes that sort of thing you know um quite a thing for people
And the fun thing was always seeing what guests they get on because they'd get like, I don't know, I'm just picking random people. They'd have Tom Cruise and Jay-Z. You'd get like these random celebs you'd never think you'd see sat on the sofa, you know, chatting with each other.

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You know, we're all chatting and you feel like you're there with them while they're having like a dinner party, you know? And then this one does, this movie does. Jack Delroy, at some point, he gets a bit of a...
jerry's bringing us to his show which again is just before springer really hit in the 90s so you've got that kind of bringing that jerry's bringing us into it of crazy stunts and weird guests coming on and

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and stuff like that. Like, Uri Geller was doing the rounds back in the day, wasn't he? He was bending spoons on everyone's TV show, he was. Bloody spoon bender. He was a good friend of Michael Jackson, wasn't he? Yep. So, the best man at his wedding, wasn't he? Imagine that.
I got to prepare my speech. Oh, why is that, Yuri? I'm best man at Michael Jackson's wedding next weekend. Yuri, why are the rings square now?

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Speaking of square, square format ratio, four to three or something is how this movie is presented in, which I quite like. What do you think Uri Geller and Michael Jackson did for The Stag Do?
Well, Yuri had to sort it out, didn't he? So it probably involved Ben things. Was Bubbles invited on there? No. I think Yuri said...

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Michael, Bubbles can't go. Oh, come on. He can't go. He has to stay. Oh, man. Oh, man. We're going to bend things. Even you will be able to bend them. Okay.
What a great back-to-the-party that would be. Who else are they even friends with? I don't know who Michael Jackson was friends with. Corey Feldman. He'd have been there. And Macaulay Culkin. What a great party that would have been.

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You know, Corey Feldman would have just been dancing going, Corey, you're not bending it properly. Michael, check out my moves. Check out my moves, Michael. Because he speaks like he smokes a million cigarettes a day, doesn't he?
anyway we've gone down a tangent already so let's let's put it back to late night with the devil so yeah it's a shadow uh like i say and yes tv we see a tv in a studio

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And it says 1972, and it gives a bit of a backstory. We get news images, uprest, the politics of the time, Nixon, etc. And all the things that were going on with rock and roll and cults.
You know, and this music is the devil's music. My children are listening to Kiss. Oh, my God. And all that kind of stuff that was going on. It's crazy. We had it in the UK with the video nasties. It's just always going to do the reins, isn't it? You know, these sort of things.

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And we are introduced to a show called Night Owls with Jack Delroy. I wish Uri Garland was a guest on it now. I just want to see him. We are going to bend the spoons. That's what he did. I just want to see it now.
I'm playing it out now. He's one of their guests. I'm adding it. I don't know. Yuri bends some spoons again. He drops one. He gets annoyed. Picks up another. Bends that one really angrily. With his hands. With extra bend.

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So, David O'Shaughnessy is kind of like the... he's it's almost a one-man show there are a lot of cast members but he is almost in every single scene and so he really carries this film and he does a fantastic job he builds great rapport you really buy him as jack delroy he's got comedy
he's charismatic he's charming he's a bit flirty if he needs to be and it turns out he's a very very successful talk show host in the 70s he's even won an emmy an emmy sorry uh he um

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it's been so close to winning the weight ratings war but he can never quite do it up against his competitors he's always number two he's always number two he can never do it he can't figure out what is going wrong
There's also mention of his wife, Madeline Piper, who is an actress. And they're a power couple because you've got the great talk show host.

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great actress and they're married and they're so in love and she's beautiful and he's charming when they're out and about and stuff yeah it's like a big montage show and all this stuff and just going through like a
his life and his career and how it's on a trajectory upward. But then we get a dark aspect to his history because the narrator then says he's been linked with...

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the grove i know so and the grove is a men's only club which meet in the woods i've been there um it's probably a glory hole involved um who meet in the woods and they do some
ritualistic things and it's all very powerful billionaires and millionaires and famous actors and talk show hosts and these clubs do exist you know you don't want to go down that path but there's all that kind of stuff with puff daddy and all that that we've talked about in the past

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So it's interesting that they bring this into it, but there is a reason for that as the plot moves on, which is very cool. Well, obviously, this is an influence from Bohemian Grove. Of course. Why didn't I even...
Tell us more about Bohemian Grove, Gav. I just pulled up his wiki because I butcher shit with my memory.

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Bohemian Grove is a restricted 2,700 acre campground in California. Founded in 1878, it belongs to a private gentleman's club.
known as the Bohemian Club. Mid July each year, the Bohemian Grove hosts a more than two week encampment of some of the most prominent men in the world.
What they do there, no one knows. It did have a thingamajiggy. Oh, I'm going to go in there and infiltrate it. What's he called? Who? Oh, fuck's sake. Oh, do you mean...

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The guy... I don't know who you mean. The documentary guy. No, no, no, no. Fucking... I can't remember his name.
He's been on Joe Rogan a couple of times before, a long time ago. He's always like going, I've got a conspiracy. There's things going on. Oh, you're that guy. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember his name though. I know. He infiltrated it and he took a camera and then filmed it.

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But I don't know really what they do there, but it's a place where only elite people go. So saying that they've taken this as inspiration, we're sort of saying...
And most people would understand that they're saying that. We're assuming that Jack Delroy is now got to that point of status that he is accepted in such a club. But...

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the figures aren't quite where he needs them to be and he's still number two now in 1976 the narrator goes on to tell us that his wife develops terminal lung cancer
Yeah, shit goes wrong all of a sudden, doesn't it? Which, spoiler, we will find out. I'm not going to spoil it now, but spoiler for later, we find out why. Yeah. So he gets her on the show. Which is a cunt move, isn't it?

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Sort of, but I think... Should we say what it is? Might as well. He sells his soul. He sells essentially her soul, I suppose, for his career to go well.
With the devil? While we're on that subject, if you look at a lot of famous people, they all lose a family member just before they become, this is true, just before they become huge. Dr. Dre lost two of his sons.

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Kanye West's mum died just before he really made it absolutely big. And there is a conspiracy that you do have to sacrifice a family member to make it big in these elite clubs.
this is all the puff daddy and all that kind of stuff all linkedin beyonce everybody been here thank beyonce make sure you thank beyonce we must thank beyonce at the end of this episode by the way otherwise one of us will die um she will booty shake us to death not a bad way to go i must say but

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It can make a really good movie out of that concept. Booty killer. No, the bloody selling your soul of someone in your family for status. I'm thinking about the booty killer.
Um, so yeah, so it does link in with all that kind of stuff. The booty killer! What happens in that? I told you, Beyonce just kills you with a butt.

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It's not a bad way to go. Richard just sits on you and you go, at first it seemed quite pleasurable, but I can't breathe. Yeah, and the tagline would be, the booty killer, you're not ready for this jelly.
That would be the tagline. Breathe and you die. If you don't breathe, you also die. All the single ladies. So, she appears on a show.

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it's quite sad moment so if they look at each other i love you i love you too oh and she's you know obviously losing her hair and then it says and then she died the narrator says you know and then jack goes off grid
he vanishes for a month he's seen around around here and there but he's not on the tv show and that's it and then a month later he's back on the show and he's still struggling for ratings um

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He tries being Jerry Springer before Joe Springer was a thing and gets loads of controversial guests on who end up having fights live on TV or crazy things going on and pranks. And he's trying everything he can to get the ratings in.
become number one but he's still got really bad ratings cut to now halloween 1977 and then it says we're about to watch the master tapes combined with some behind the scenes footage that was filmed

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of the final episode of night owls with jack delroy so it sets it up for us essentially what he and the producer wants to do
is have this live Halloween episode, which I'll spoil some more of it really right now, which is hopefully going to get his ratings back on track. They think so because he... is sleeping with a lady who is...

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a psychiatrist or doctor shrink our parapsychologist yeah who is looking after this person who obviously she's probably told him all about this person that says like and so this is legit this got this child
is possessed I can bring it out we talk and he's like bollocks and it's like something proved to him so much that he's gone

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look to his producer, we could have this live Halloween show and do this. And it'd get loads of things. Again, he's stitching up someone else for his career. And this would be like Michael Parkinson secretly sleeping with Dr. Pascal on Ghostwatch.
Just to put that in your head. Oh, man. Can we switch and have Michael Parkson on there? I'm going to make love to you now. Is that okay? I'm going to make love to you now.

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Sweet love. So eight minutes and 40 seconds in. It's just been narration, backstory. And then our found footage slash mockumentary begins now, really.
so um he comes out huge applause welcome thank you everybody this is our halloween show hope you're all excited we've got some guests on the show tonight we've got the famous world famous chris stew

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Who, as we mentioned, is like the Uri Gellar style. Very odd man. I like him. He's almost like a Sacha Baron Cohen character in some ways. We've got Dr. June.
who's coming on with her subject, Lily.
We'll find out more about them later. There's other guests. There's singers. It's great. You've got loads of stuff on. Have you mentioned the band? You've got like a live band. He's got a live band. Yeah. So Gus is there over the side with a live band like you get. Yeah.

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yeah it's like the roots on jimmy fallon isn't it they're on there now and um we do like a little prank because gus is like coming out jack where are you and he's not there
And then he creeps up behind him in a ghost sheet and scares Gus. Poor old Gus. Poor Gus. He's always the butt of the jokes, isn't he? Yes, but that's what the sidekicks are for, isn't it? It is. And then so Jack gives this amazing opening speech, his opening monologue.

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He talks about how this is Sweeps Week, which for anyone who doesn't know, Sweeps Week in America is the week where they really pinpoint the ratings and the figures. So whoever gets the highest in Sweeps Week is like the winner, basically.
This is Sweep's Week, so he's hoping that this episode, this Halloween special, is going to be the one that really pushes him to the number one spot. I reckon the ratings did very well for this episode.

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I think he probably fucking did. What the fuck? That's like, if you imagine we were watching Ghostwatch instead and this came on, Jesus Christ. Especially because...
Because they are essentially doing that. They're doing this, but if you put it back to the 70s, it was on telly, that's what the 70s audience would have done. So they're just doing that. They're just in a different era. Yeah. Yeah. And he, during his speech, he also says, thank you.

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it's really heartfelt thank you to everybody for sticking with me through the good times and then he sort of goes quiet the bad times and obviously he means his wife um and the audience sort of clap we love you jack and he's like thank you i love you too and it's like that really nice moment
And again, he's winning us over here. And then he mentions, you know, there's been loads of strange occult stuff happening in the news recently, weird politics, heavy metal, all that kind of stuff. He says, anyway, it's time for me to introduce our first guest.

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Chris 2. Please welcome to the stage Chris 2. And out he comes, Gav. Ooh, baby, he is. My notes have called him Chris 2, like T-double-O. Something like Chris 2.
Like he's a rapper or something. He discusses, you know, he's well known for bending spoons and other psychic phenomenon and speaking to the dead. And they sit him down in Jack's like, so...

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tell us about Halloween and how that can influence your powers and he's like he does very quickly he does say when he wants to just not get the characters into his head he just switches them off
yeah he says i pick up the the dead voices all the time but i'm like an am radio i can just turn it off if i want to yeah and he says and all the while jack's making little jokes and the band are like here and there you know he's doing his thing

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It's all very charming. And then he says, tell me about Halloween. And he says, tonight on Halloween, I can, you know, I'm at my most powerful because the doorway to the spirit world is at its widest.
on the evening like this evening so we all know like halloween blah blah blah that's great so he says i'll give you uh an example of my power and he's like yes chris do everybody he's going to give us you know show us what he can do so he gets up and he's like

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I'm sensing the letter P. No one says anything. Peter? Nothing. Pete? Nothing. Peterman?
And this guy's like, oh, hello. And he goes, ah, Peterman. He goes, well, no, my wife's maiden name was Peterson. Have you ever been to one of these? I've been to one of these live.

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no but i can imagine it's like it's this medium psychic going i'm getting something and it just goes on for ages you're sitting there going oh my god why the fuck have i come to this why have i come to this i thought i was like i've got to go i've got to try it out and it was
bad well the guy basically says it's a bit jokey the guy in the crowd he's like no my wife's maiden name is peterson

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and he's like ah well I knew it was Peter something and she's passed over now and he's like well no she had an affair with my gardener so she's moved away but my golf game's never been better
the audience are laughing along and he's like okay let me try again let me try again um then he says to these two women in the audience eddie eddie and they're like oh my god that was my son and then her daughter's next she's like yes my brother he's like

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Edmund, he died, didn't he? And they start getting upset and he's like, he killed himself, didn't he? And they're like, yes, he did. We didn't think he was even depressed, but out of nowhere he killed and he didn't even leave a note.
He says, he wants you to know he's at peace now. And he said, one more thing. He wants you to know, he wants to ask about Papa. And she says, oh my God, that was his teddy bear.

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he's like he wants to know if papa's safe and she's like i've kept him in his room i've still got it he's like he already knows and then the audience like oh my god i've never seen anything like this this is incredible how did he do it
Everyone's really impressed. And Jack says, wow, after that, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to...

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you know we're going to um see one of our next guests but just before they go to the break chris too suddenly screams i'm getting i'm getting a really powerful voice in my head it's got a pain in his head as well mini
oh it really hurts mini is there anybody that will accept mini and jack looks confused now spoiler this is jack's wife coming through because madeline had a secret nickname that only jack called it which was mini

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And then his eyes go white, don't they? And the studio lights flash. Yeah. And he says, I see an unmarried man with a wedding ring. It hurts.
and then they cut to a break. And it's when we cut to the black and white footage, and every time we cut to black and white footage, it is the break between takes. Yeah, it's behind the scenes, isn't it? It's a camera which wouldn't actually be there, but it is now there. Yeah.

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So you've got to go with it, really. Like someone would just be filming behind-the-scenes footage, filming these private conversations. But whatever, we go with it. It's fun. And we see the producer, a coax-up producer that I mentioned earlier.
reminds me a bit of john c reilly he still comes over and he talks to jack and he says um chris who's in a bad way

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And he's like, I'm sure he'll be okay. And he's like, no, he'll be fine. It's fine. Everything's going smoothly. We've got all the guests lined up tonight. You're killing it. Your jokes are landing. Don't worry about all that. This is the stuff people love. And Jack's obviously a bit shaken up because he's just heard his wife's secret nickname.
come out of that man's mouth and he's like, this is very weird. And then we get something that this film gets a lot of stick for. AI. So whenever you see the screens that say, welcome back to Night Owls or...

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Happy Halloween or whatever. It's always an AI image they used. And they were really cross that the film company and the studio used AI in this production. But I don't know.
Maybe it kept the budget down. What do you feel about that? All of those images, you know, they're all AI. I don't know. I don't mind it at all, really.

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It doesn't take me away from the actual feel of the film I'm getting from it. So they would have typed in like 70s aesthetic talk show, commercial cards, Halloween themed.
Whatever. And it would have come up with like an owl sitting on a tree saying, welcome back. Like, I don't know. Did it bother you? Not at all. Anyone's thinking that that's just fucking just not, just doesn't really give a fuck about the movie.

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To be honest, yeah. Yeah. So, why should we give a fuck about them, Dan? Fair enough, Gavin. Let's do it. Well, we're back on in three, two...
Well, and we're back. So we're back on the air. And welcome back, everyone. Well, you just saw an amazing demonstration from Chris Du there. He's OK, aren't you, Chris Du? And he's sweating a lot. He's not going to be OK, though.

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No, he's not. He's really sweaty. And then they bring on Carmichael Haig, who is an incredible character. He is a ball-breaking... skeptic now he used to be a magician he used to go on stage and do all these like i said this film's so well cast

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And he is just this horrible guy who smokes a cigar and just says, you know, it's all nonsense. It's all smoking. Yeah. Yeah. And he's there to prove it.
to prove that anything that happens this evening is not real. And what does he carry on with him all the time? A cheque for $100,000. And he says, I've got this cheque for anyone that can prove...

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existence of the paranormal ghosts or any sort of magic or psychic abilities and jack's like on how many of these checks have you given away and he's like i'm happy to say i haven't given away a nickel while this is happening uh chris do is coughing away
at the side he's really not having a a good time um and he uh rips him apart he says you're a fake i know how you do all your tricks

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You failed five times to try and get the word Peterson out of that man over there. And then with those women, I'm sure there's a way that you've managed to find out about their dead son. I'm really, I'm on to you.
I'm on to anybody that claims that they're a real psychic or paranormal person. Christo gets up and throws a cup of water at him. He does. He says, I won't be spoken to like this.

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And Jack admits to... What's his name? Bloody hell. Carmichael. He says to him, well, I've got to let you know that...
One of the names he spoke of was my wife's name, Minnie, who has a secret nickname. And obviously, I'm an unmarried man with a wedding ring because she's dead now. And the audience go...

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And Carmichael's like, oh, my God, now you're buying into this nonsense as well. Can't you see he's trying to bring you in on it as well? But, yeah, then Christy starts puking up black shit. Oh, boy. Let's go to commercial. Let's do it.
Back to the black and white. He throws up all over Carmichael, doesn't he? Not much where he goes on here, really. Yeah, they talk about him having a seizure. Yeah, there's nothing much, right? And he thinks it's all a setup. And he said...

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What do you think, Jack? Do you think the Grove could be behind all of this? I think you've got them to help you pull off this big stunt to try and get your ratings up today. And he's like, the Grove, there's nothing to do with the Grove. This is all happening. And then they go back on the air.
next guest yeah well christy is receiving medical attention backstage he says so don't worry about that we'll bring our next guest on now and he brings on dr june his secret lover we find out later

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Secret lover. Lover. Oh, sexy. And she's there to not only talk about the girl that she's been studying for a while.
And she's got one hell of a fucking backstory in a minute. We'll get to Jesus Christ. Rescued from a coal that burned to death. Yeah. Fucking hell. I don't think she should be live on TV.

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i think that's quite bad i surely need to not probably have a face nationwide for a start and um i just
She's probably going to be quite traumatic, I'd have thought. She probably is quite traumatised. But, no, she doesn't seem it, though, I suppose. This was the 17th. As I discussed in our world, it was strange. People were killing themselves on TV all over the place in the 17th.

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now she's also there conveniently dr june to promote her book called conversations with the devil
and he says now before we bring them out let's let's uh show you a clip of dr june's research from one of her documentaries that she's put together and they show a clip now where we see the devil church of a praxis

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which was a cult of devil worshippers who apparently were breeding children so they could be sacrificed in these cults.
rituals and the fbi of course investigated the human sacrifice claims in in seven in august 74 there was a siege and the fbi tried to siege the place but the entire cult ended up

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setting fire to themselves burning the entire place down killing everybody there apart from a 10 year old girl called lily who was a survivor
And that's who she's been studying. She says, Lily has been showing strange powers and possession. She might be possessed. She's got these strange powers. And I'm going to bring her into the studio now. So everyone's like, yeah, bring them out. Woohoo! Yay!

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She is actually a very confident young girl she comes across. Also, she is so creepy, isn't she? Mate, she is creepy. It's my next line. She looks into the camera.
like when somebody looks into the camera on live tv or in a film if you see like a background actor she looks like she's gonna kill people when she's older

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But she stares not only into the camera, but at you, the viewer of this film. They do a great job of getting that eye line right into your very soul. And she's a great actress, this girl. She's really, really unsettling.
And she gives really good Reagan from The Exorcist vibes as well. And she says, oh, Jack, you're the one whose wife died of cancer. And he's like, yeah. He goes, that was sad.

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And do you know that Dr. June says that you're very handsome? And obviously we know later, but we're going to find out there's an affair there. And he says, well, thank you. And she says, I think you're going to be very...
very famous soon and he's like oh well i certainly hope so so she knows what's coming because she's got this demon in her all very weird all very creepy all very unsettling and we go to another break

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Behind the scenes again, black and white. Lily's acting very strange. Dr June says to Jack, look, don't know if we should be going ahead with this. She's too unpredictable. We don't know what's going to happen. And she kept saying your name earlier on.
Which was a bit weird. Yeah, just before we came on air, well, for the last few days, she's been going, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. I wouldn't have taken it wrong. I'd be like, look, creepy girl, you're not going on the TV show.

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Stupid idea. Just because he's given me some dick. I'm not going to do it. Well, we do get our first hint that there's a history between Jack and June because they seem to know each other. When they talk, they're very close, like a couple would be.
Yeah, I know. And they certainly know a lot about each other's pasts. Then the producer grabs Jack and says, Chris too just died in the ambulance. And he's like, what?

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Jesus fucking Christ, what do you mean? He's like, he was just puking up black stuff, and he was like, yeah, and that didn't stop. It was coming out of every orifice, and then he just died halfway to the hospital. He's like... he's like we haven't told anybody else don't tell anybody
carry on with the show and jack's like jesus christ i've got to go back live on tv now and interview this woman who i'm secretly having an affair with while she's got a possessed girl who's saying my name for the last few days knowing that my last guest exploded

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with black goo in the back of an ambulance. This is going to be a very, very stressful evening, I think. This time I could spell, I called him Chris Do, so it's D-O this time. Chris Do. So last time it was Chris To, and this time it was Chris Do.
What does Chris do? So Chris do did a poo everywhere. Chris do did a doo-doo. He did do a doo-doo.

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now just before they go back on air they keep getting um one of the main sort of i don't know what you'd call him really uh he's like one of the main producers i guess really on the set he keeps saying
there's no interference down here it must be on your monitors up there and he keeps saying he's getting in his ear he's getting people saying we get weird interference and weird sounds keep coming through but he's like no it's all fine it must be your cameras keep switching cameras

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dodo do a doo-doo it keeps going insane in my head i had to say it out oh jesus thank you so um well you've lost me now i don't even know Okay, so yeah, they talk of the interference with the cameras, etc. And then Haig says, I'm going to investigate Christou's tricks.

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And he's like, well, we'll do that in a minute. We'll do that in a minute. He's like, I'll break it down. I'll break down how he did it. He's like, yeah, okay, you'll get your turn back on the air. So they start the interview with Dr. June.
And straight away, and again, this is like Ghostwatch, he's like the New York guy in Ghostwatch. He's really rude to her. He's disagreeing with her credentials. He's ripping her apart, like saying it's all easy, tricks, hypnosis, it can easily be done.

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And she's like, are you going to just keep interrupting me? How can I speak to you? And she says she's a parapsychologist. And he's like, yeah, you say you're a parapsychologist. She's like, no, I am a parapsychologist. That's a real legitimate thing. And she explains telekinesis.
Lily, meanwhile, while she's explaining all this stuff, Lily is just staring really strangely off into the distance. And Haig says, what's this dagger here? And she says, well, that dagger you're holding there.

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is actually recovered from the cult and it was probably used in sacrifices and then he pretends his hand is possessed with the dagger in it and he's like
i don't want to put that i've got to put the dagger down and the audience goes and he's like ha ha you see how easy that was um and then lily says um and then jack says so tell me more about this this

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voice that you hear in your head lily she says his name is mr wriggles and i call him that because he wriggles his way into my head and gives me instructions
It's creepy as shit. This is obviously a play on Captain Howdy, which is what Reagan called the demon in The Exorcist. Oh, okay. But, yeah, it's all very strange.

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And he's like, okay, Mr. Riggles, interesting. Before when much more can happen. Now, I'll never know the name of this instrument. Gus has got one of those. Is it called a Theronome? Theronome. Theronome, thank you. We use one in Shadow of Death.
there we go makes that sort of noise um gus gets electrocuted by it a little bit and it's all like oh is it possessed is it not and then

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Haig just goes over and he pulls the plug on it and he's like, God damn it, more tricks. He thinks it's all sort of a Halloween prank, basically. And a glass smashes and he's like, the reason the glass smashes is because of the frequency.
the pheromine that's all it was it's easy to explain all this but lily says mr wriggles is here mr wriggles did it and he's here now jack's very excited he says

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Can I interview Mr. Riggles? And straightaway, Dr. June's like, no, no, this is, no, we didn't plan this. We can't do this. And he's like...
I think the audience would like it if I interviewed Mr. Riggler. He's a cunt. He's a bad person. But Lily says, go on, let's do it, Dr. June. Let's show the world.

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So the audience started getting excited and they're going, do it, do it. A bit like Jerry Springer. So June says, okay, I'll do it. Fucking peer pressure.
But don't blame me if this goes through the barn. Don't blame me if all this shit happens or does at the end. So they go, okay, we'll go to a break while we set everything up. But ladies and gentlemen, when we come back...

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I'll be talking to the demon that lives inside this little girl known as Mr. Riggles. Back in a minute after these messages. And off we go. So behind the scenes again, the prepping Lily.
Gus tells Jack he's very concerned. He says, like, some of the crew are thinking about quitting. We think you're going too far with this. There's been weird things going on. And I've just found out that Chris Do is dead. And he's like, Jesus Christ, Gus, keep it together.

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Don't tell anybody about that. And he's like, what do you mean? Don't tell anybody about it. One of your guests just died and you're going ahead with this. I think this kid will be real. Gus is like totally like buying into it. He's like, I think this is real. And I don't think we should.
We should talk to Mr. Riggles. I think he's behind some of this. I think I want to quit. And he's like, you're not quitting. And the producer comes over and gives him an earful as well. And they go, we're back on the air. It's too late for your nonsense, Gus. Three, two, one.

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back on the air it's all very the good thing about these things actually in hindsight these black and white segments is the time there's only a minute isn't there yeah so it's kind of pressurized conversations it is it is like obviously you could
do a fan edit of this film cut all those bits out so just have the TV show or put in some fake adverts yourself like of the time you know TV adverts that would be great

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Yeah, you could do that possibly and see how it plays. But it is quite a nice way of doing it. Obviously, they've accepted that this takes away the Ghostwatch thing. We didn't have this for Ghostwatch apart from...
when we cut to craig charles outside and the interesting thing about that on a side note is for anyone not from the uk so the on the bbc you don't get any adverts or commercials you don't get any breaks that's why we paid

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bloody tv some of us i don't watch any bbc programs um but itv for example and other channels they do have they do have commercials so
They wouldn't have been able to pull off Ghostwatch. Or if they did pull off Ghostwatch on a channel that had adverts, they would have had to do it differently. They would have had to take breaks. Maybe they would have taken out the phone calls.

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I don't know. It just works better as a long, one long event, doesn't it, Ghostwatch? But I'm not saying this doesn't work. This works very well. This is working brilliantly. So we come back and Jack's like, here we go. We've got Lily ready. We've got Dr. June ready. And we're going to start this.
process this theance i guess and again she's staring right down the camera and she says okay dr june says audience i need everybody in the studio to remain calm we need to keep lily calm

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and focused and if you see or hear weird things please remain calm because i cannot you know i cannot break this once i start it so she's really prepping everyone and she begins the hypnosis and she says can i please speak to mr wriggles
We get some TV interference. Yep, some shaking, some weird voices. The chair starts moving. And then all of a sudden she drops her head down, Lily, and then she looks up.

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She's got an exorcist face, as I like to call it. She does. I've got to admit, when a phrase comes up, you'll be like, I saw this in Exorcist. It's a shame it couldn't have been just a bit different. Something else, you know?
but she's got a slightly different voice she's saying where am i who are these people what is this why am i tied to this chair and then she says is he here meaning jack and she looks over and she says hello again jack it's good to meet you we met by the trees

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Yeah, I met you in the tall trees, she says. And then she says, you know...
And then Dr. June says, what's going on? What's happening here? And she says, what are you talking about? You know his last whore died, and you'll die too. And you're like, whoa, okay, so there's definitely something going on with him and her, and why does this demon know about it?

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And when she says this, Dr. June slaps Lily across the face. We get this amazing demon face for half a frame. And then she turns around and you see another face on the back of her head.
for another half a frame i didn't catch these well done yeah it's really amazing and it's actually the face of mini madeline on the back of her head very quickly because even jack later on jack will see this when they watch the replay

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She tries to exercise her a little bit, and she says... The crowd has gone, ooh, as it's happening.
The demon says, how could you let it happen, Jack? How could you let it happen? You did this so you could get success, didn't you? And he's like, oh my God, this is real. The chair starts floating. Energy starts surging, electricity all around the studio.

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um and then carmichael haig's pointing out this is easy this is how it is so easy to do and then they snap her out of it and she's back to normal and he's like i can't wait you cannot wait
to explain away how it's done. As an audience member watching this, you're like, I can't wait to see what he's going to do. What is he going to do? So, yeah. Well, they say, all right, listen, you'll have your moment after these messages.

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So we go to another break and another behind the scenes black and white shot. And Haig is absolutely fuming. He said, I can't wait.
fucking tell you and everybody in the world how she did all these tricks it's so easy all right you'll get your moment just calm down calm down jack talks to june and he says this could be a regular spot well first of all he says what does she mean

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jack what's she talking about and he's like i don't know i'm not sure and he does say to her we could bring her on as a regular guest get this demon out every couple of weeks be brilliant we get great numbers in Gus, meanwhile, is absolutely terrified and...
Carmichael Haig says to Gus, calm down, it's all tricks and magic and smoke and mirrors and hypnosis. And he's like, try telling that to Chris too. And he's like, he's backstage somewhere. He spat up all that black liquid. It's all a joke. And he's like, no, he's dead. Gus says, he's dead.

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And Carmichael Hague's like, what do you mean he's dead? He's dead. He died in the ambulance. So now Carmichael Hague's like, hmm, interesting. Jack cuts Lily's wrist restraints.
Which is a bad idea. If there's a possessed girl in a chair, don't cut her wrist restraints. But they do it anyway. And he hears some of the crew have already quit. There's a few people that have walked out already. This is going too far. But the producer says...

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Jack! This is brilliant parading, Jack. Don't you worry about it. We're going to be bigger than everybody. He says, but didn't you hear that last thing she said? She sounded like my dead wife, Minnie.
And he's like, no, you're making it up. Don't worry about it. Back on the air. Jack starts with, well, apologies to anybody. You may be upset by what just happened. A bit like Michael Parkinson.

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And he says to Lily, do you remember what just happened? She's like, no, it's like I'm asleep but awake and a dream all at the same time. I kind of remember it, but I don't, I'm aware of what was happening. So she's kind of like, is a bit dazed really by it.
And she says, Mr. Riggles just talks through me. And Haig says, like, right, I'm going to break down how it's done. And Jack says, well, hang on, hang on, Haig. You know, there's some stuff here that's quite realistic. And he says, well, look.

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I'll show you how it's done. And he's fine. His time has come to prove it. He says, Gus, come here. I'm going to use you as a guinea pig. Poor old Gus. Gus comes trudging over.
He sits him down in the chair and he says, OK, look at this pocket watch. And he starts swinging the watch around. And he starts to hypnotise Gus.

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But what he's actually doing, spoiler alert, is hypnotising everybody in the studio audience as well. And some of the viewers at home. Mass hypnosis. He's a pretty powerful hypnotist. And he says... to gus now he relaxed yes of course i mean you say you're in a trance right now you know

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in my head watch this back again in my memory I was like I think they get Gus to get completely naked or he's in pants or something like really degrading make him really embarrassed I thought that's what they did but they don't it's not that
severe no he says to him can you hear any noises and gus says i can yeah i don't know what it is and he said you've got a crippling fear of worms haven't you and he says i do i hate them i hate that they haven't got any eyes and they wriggle

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And you cut them in half and they carry on living. They're gross. They're weird. I don't know why. It's a phobia. By the way, I do love his pocket watch. The thing goes around. I could have watched that for hours. And then he flicks it and it turns back into numbers. It's great, that, isn't it? Yeah, really good.
And he says to Gus, you've got a cut on your neck. And he said, oh yeah, I cut myself shaving this morning. And he says, hang on a minute, I've got a worm coming up, the cut on my neck. And Gus starts pulling it out.

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And he said, oh, my God, I'm so itchy and I'm so hot. They're inside me. I can feel them. And Carmichael Hayek's like, why don't you show me? So he then rips open his shirt.
and then rips open his own flesh of his stomach, and all these worms start flying out, and everybody in the studio audience is seeing this, and all the people at home, or most people at home are seeing this as well, rips his guts out, and then Haig's like, and...

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you're back in the room but it doesn't quite happen straight away because there's interference from the demon but eventually he gets him back in the room and nothing's happened he hasn't ripped open his own gut so we're no worms they do a replay don't they yeah and
He said, what I've just done there is a math hypnosis. And Jack is like, ladies and gentlemen, if what he says is true, we need to play back the last five minutes of the show. Yeah, it's very interesting, very quickly.

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that when it happens you get Lily goes why is Gus being so silly you just hear her say that because she's not hypnotised everyone else is but she isn't because she's the devil it's really funny yeah yeah and they watch back um the footage and it was all fake um and gus basically

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feels really humiliated by this because he's just taking his shirt off at night on national tv i thought he took it all off so yeah he wanted his dick and everything um does his penis
Gus feels humiliated, like I say. Dr. June is cross that they've all been tricked and that he's suggesting that she did it with hypnosis. But then Lily says, well, if it's true, then let's watch my footage back.

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yeah and they're like that's a good jack's like that's a good idea but his producers are saying no we need to go to the singer now what wrap up the show because he's like no he overrides the producer he says no she can come back another week perform if i need to spin like
I think we're going to have to go to the song, and it'd be great. That'd be nice. He didn't know, did he? He didn't. So they bring back the footage, and it seems quite real.

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you know there's what they're seeing on the footage is what they saw with their own eyes and he sees an image of his dead wife briefly and he says slow it down slow it down slow it down and he sees this
horrible ghostly image of his dead wife behind him with her hand on his shoulder at one point. Carmichael still doesn't believe any of it. No, he still thinks the Grove have sort of interviewed with the footage and they're all doing this somehow. Suddenly though...

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Electricity starts shooting out of Lily, going all over the studio. And this next line, I'm about to say, is where people will either hate this film or love this film. Her head splits open.
yeah splits wide open and all these demon demonic fire and lightning shoots out of it gas steps forward and his head is twisted backwards

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And he just collapses down onto the floor, smashing into the table with a backwards head. So he's dead now. People are being thrown around the studio by invisible forces. Dr. June suddenly stands up and her throat is slit.
with an invisible force so she's dead so we're killing off our major characters now all straight away gus dr june people start um evacuating and then haig the skeptic melts

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He just melts into like a gloopy puddle. Yeah. So he's gone now as well. Lily goes...
She sort of dives face first into the camera. I did like a very funny gag when Carmichael, just before he dies, just has the check in his hand shakily holding it in front of him.

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yes so yeah just to go like i i believe you i believe he hears a hundred thousand it's such a nice subtle joke he changed it to a million didn't he earlier he said yeah so he's basically saying i'll give you a million dollars if you make this stop but too late he melts into a puddle
and yeah lily seems to dive into the camera and this is very much like ghost watch again where it's now gone into the camera like the ring or something where it's infecting everybody through screens and

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We see like a static and then a demon's face in the static, which is a bit cheesy. But I'm there. By now, I'm with it. It's fine. Camera cuts. Station difficulties.
Love it. And we get a little... And then suddenly it's like, please welcome Jack Delroy. And he's confused. He's like, what? What's just happened? Why am I being welcomed back onto the show?

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And Gus is like, come on, come on out here, Jack. And he's really confused. And then Gus starts laughing at him and so did the audience. And he's really confused about what's going on. We start using lovely...
dutch camera angles now just to confuse us even more and make us feel even more surreal and then he starts time jumping through different parts of his career yeah

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sketches that he's done, different guests that he's had on. A woman offers him, she's like, oh, and that's why I brought this animal for you to look at. But instead of a bird eating spider, it's a giant worm, like the one that comes out of Geena Davis at the end of...
fly um and he's like what's happening what's happening and then it cuts to him interviewing his wife and um

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she's like you did this jack you did this i know all about it and she knows basically what's going on we're going to find out more about that in a minute and then jack looks at the television writing to us the viewers and he says
switch up your televisions turn it off now because he knows that this demon is now somehow infecting hundreds of homes thousands of homes around the us through their televisions

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And then he sees himself being asked by his wife what he had to do to sacrifice for the success. And he's led by some cloaked figures, the cult, the grove, up to a big giant man dressed as an owl.
interesting uh and jack drinks from a chalice i'm assuming some kind of blood in there and this was the sacrifice and he sees his wife dying in the bed and she says you son of a bitch

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You sacrificed me, didn't you? They said it. And then she says, well, I still love you or something like that. And you're going to be really successful. But I can't believe you killed me. What a bastard, Gav. And he says, sorry.
And then he says sorry to the camera. And then she says, you've got to end it. End it for me, Jack. So he picks up that dagger from earlier. Yeah. And he stabs his wife. And then for me, one of the most shocking parts really is we then cut.

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to what's actually happening and he's actually stabbed lily the little girl with the dagger yeah and he's lying in the middle of the studio with dozens of dead bodies around him yeah uh
We hear sirens wailing in the background. Yeah. And then there's a brilliant moment now. It just ends with him going, dream or awake? Dream or awake? Dream or awake? And then it...

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It just cuts to end transmission. I'm glad you understood that. I thought it said dreamer here awake. And I was like, why is he saying dreamer here awake? That sounds really weird. I think he says, am I dreaming here or am I awake? I think you're correct, yeah. That makes sense.
yeah that's really good isn't it yeah it cuts that so it's breaking down it has got a very inside number nine feel the way it's constructed you need to check out some of those that's a bbc show i've watched i've watched

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I've watched a lot of them. I've watched series one, two, maybe three. Yeah, check out the Halloween one. I don't think I've seen the Halloween. I love the Christmas one. It's very sad. Now, so breaking this down, Gav, what do you think has happened then? Do you think...
The demon corrupted him to massacre everybody in the studio. And then he's going to go to prison for what he did to his wife. Yeah, I think ultimately, yeah.

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Because I'd forgotten about this ending because this was only my second watch and I was like... Yeah, if they didn't have the police sirens going, the reason the police sirens are there is for a purpose for us to go...
Oh, they're going to turn up, see all dead bodies, arrest him, he'll be going to prison for the rest of his life. Even though they've got all the footage. But then what is on the footage? For real, you know?

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Well, yeah, I think the reason they put those sirens in there is to implement or sort of to say that's what's going to happen. For me, there are a few plot holes in this, but...
It's about the ride and enjoying the ride. And this is one hell of a rollercoaster ride that starts off with like a lovely, charming talk show. And it just goes into the last 20 minutes is so insane.

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depressing and it doesn't end in a nice way he's just stabbed a child with a dagger on national tv killed loads of his cast and crew and uh yeah also sacrificed his dying wife
All in the name of fame and fortune. Fame. I want to live forever. So, this is great. Fame. This is a great film.

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Gavin, I both give this a thumbs up. It's from 2023. So it's still relatively new. Both films. We didn't do that earlier for Ghostwatch. Thumbs up. It's a great companion to Ghostwatch and probably a good double build to watch back to back, really. And the inside number nine Halloween special.
Let me look at what that is. I don't think I'll watch this one next Halloween, but I do think I am going to finish Halloween next year with Ghostwatch on the 31st. I think that's going to be a great watch.

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Wow, both great films. Ghostwatch, for me, though, is the one, really, because of the nostalgia and the way it's done and the Britishness of it all. But this is still a brilliant film. And you're going to look up insight number nine, Halloween special.
Which is called? I think it's Deadline. Is there a synopsis? Oh, no, that's not it. No, that's not it. I'll Google it for you while we're doing that.

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This show is brought to you by Google. Inside number nine. Oh, no, no, it is. That is it.
yeah when Arthur finds an old mobile phone in his local graveyard he tries to contact the owner then due to technical difficulties the live show cuts to a show
A clip of an old episode, however, it then returns showing the actors backstage. It briefly shows a dress rehearsal of the show, revealing Arthur killed the Reverend, and then the actors backstage begin to die. Pretty sure it's that one. 2018.

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I'll check it out. It's a show I'd probably watch right from the beginning because they're only about 25 minutes long each episode anyway. Yeah, I don't know if that is the one though.
There's another one. That is the Halloween special, it says. Yeah, I'm going to carry on. You carry on talking. Well, that's it. That's it, really. So I hope you guys enjoyed us going through those. If you've never seen them...

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either of them or if you haven't watched them for a long time highly recommend them ghost watch especially now it's a dream come true for that to be so readily available because when that was aired live you know we never really
Well, not live, but when it was there originally, we never got a chance to really see it again for 20 years or so. Okay, very quickly, sorry. The Intel number nine home special is the AI to the rescue.

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Deadline was a live broadcast that went wrong as part of the narrative. Viewers initially believed the show was experiencing general and technical difficulties with sound issues and interruptions, which led to a continuity announcer stating that...
The episode was cancelled. However, this was all deliberate part of a hoax as a technical issues and the subsequent broadcast of a repeat episode were revealed to be a planned twist that revealed the show's true supernatural narrative.

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So yes, that's the one, guys. Sounds cool. Sounds like that really took its... I watched it live when it happened as well, so it's the same sort of principle.
Did it trick you? There was a bit and I was like, what the fuck? Is that actually fucked up? There was a bit. Yeah, I think it did for a little bit. Nice. Yeah. So I'd say that as a triple bill. Chuck that in there. Maybe as a starter.

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A little appetit to keep things up. Ghostwatchers and Mane, and Late Night at the Devil was a coffee and a pudding. A bit of cheesecake. And something sweet. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Well, there we go. Fantastic films. We've wanted to cover Ghostwatch for years and you called it when you watched this at the cinema and said we need to pair it up with Late Night with the Devil. So we've done it.

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So there we go. Well, I think it's time for us to take a little break before we come back and say goodbye to everybody. Okay, let's go. Back in a tick.

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And we're back. And we're back again, and nothing bad happened with this live studio transmission. I don't know what happened there. Sorry about that. What was that?
Support us on Patreon. Do it. Do it now. Well, that was episode 186, our mockumentary slash found footage special. A couple of great movies. But not found footage, mockumentary. Not really found footage.

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What is coming up next? I know you want to know, don't you? I want to know. Well, for our next episode, which is 187... 187, murder, death, kill. Number 187 is...
probably well it is our final we should have done gangster horror movies we can do that that's what it should be 187 though i mean we do like now huh we did do leprechaun in the hood yeah there's that one i've never seen which is it

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Towers of the Hood or something? Yeah, that's pretty good, isn't it? I've never seen it. But it's too late now, so we can't do it, because it's 1876 time. And Snoop Dogg did one called Bones, about a pimp that comes back from the dead. So there you go. But we can't do it now.
So episode 187 is our final director special of the year. Mr. Fulci. Talking of worms. Oh, House by the Cemetery. Yes, he loves worms. He loves...

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maggots and gore weird zombies and he's got a crazy back catalogue and everybody's probably seen at least one if not a couple of faulty movies they're an experience they're great so we will be covering
1980s city of the living dead and 1981's house by the cemetery fantastic name and one of those movies has got that little blonde boy in it called bob

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can't remember which one of those it is you know bob we all know bob so we'll be talking about bob but we'll also be talking about 14 his back catalog um and a bit of his career but yeah our main reviews will be housed by the cemetery and city of the living dead
Luchiel Fulci famously. Well, it's not famous. I don't know if it is famously. But Alan Jones, a film reviewer, went to review him once. And he'd been up all night gambling.

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And he puked up all over him. Hopefully it was maggots. I don't know. Alan Jones never liked him.
It's just something random I know. It's because Alan James is one of the organizers of the Frightfest. That's how I know this. I've been sicked on by Vulci. It was better than being shot on by Peter Jackson. Imagine going to interview him and he just pukes all over you.

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What the fuck? Steven Spielberg wiped a bogey on me in an interview. I'm just thinking of other things directors could do. After that, episode 188 is a page.
Holly has stepped up. Stepping up. Come on, Holly. She has picked a couple of Bette Davis movies. Oh, really? I'm really excited.

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We have. I'm really excited about 1976, Burnt Offerings. What a great film. Well done, Holly. I've wanted to cover this for a long time. That's a big cut, isn't it? She's paired it with...
They're slightly child-friendly, but still creepy as fuck. Are you going to tell me Watcher in the Woods? Watcher in the Woods. Oh my god. I still have my DVD from years ago.

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that movie I watched in my grand and it scared me as a child I watched it as a child 1980 it came out so I probably rented it around 81, 82 Holly
He's giving you a massive clap. That's a golf clap. Well done.
that's splendid yeah so burnt offerings which i love and watching the woods which i also love so well done holly we look forward to doing that episode so stoked i still have my dvd you've had it for fucking years and i watched it so happy

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I still can get it watched. It's probably on Disney though, isn't it? It's not. I looked. I think it was at one point. That makes me feel special. They've taken it down. This is why I keep media for 30 years without watching it.
Because I did watch it on Disney+, I'm sure, when I first got Disney+, about five or six years ago. I think I might have jumped out if I'd seen it. I don't think it's been on there. Maybe they deem it too scary. Well, after that, it will be our Christmas special, believe it or not.

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You heard it right. Episode 189, our Christmas special. And we're happy to tell us, tell our listeners what we will be covering. We'll be covering Fat Man. Yeah. In 2020 with Mel Gibson. Yep. Which is a...
Dark Santa action thriller. There's been a lot of those. I loved it so much. Mel Gibson is brilliant in it. And it's a dark action thriller.

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with a real life santa in it which is crazy and mel gibson is that santa he's the fat man we we paired it up with a classic a comedy classic
Trading Places. Yeah. With Eddie Murphy. And Dan Aykroyd when he does colour himself up. Yeah. The fact he does it at the end. And John Candy's in it too. It's...

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I watched a couple years ago it was really enjoyable to watch Jamie Lee Curtis there's a scene in there which a lot of young boys will remember so yeah Christmas will be Jamie Lee Curtis's boobs and Mel Gibson's beard what more could you want
That's how we'll be celebrating Christmas on Haunted Hill. So there we go. That's what's coming up. Fulci, Holly's Betty Davis double bill and some Christmas fun. Jamie Lee Curtis's boobs are present for us all.

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Merry Christmas. Merry boobmas. Merry titmas. So, before we say goodbye, let me just do some of our usual housekeeping and then we will kiss each other goodnight and spoon until we fall asleep.
Yeah, you up for that? It's all good for you. I'm Big Spoon, you're Little Spoon. Okay, so...

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Thank you to everybody for listening, sharing, liking, joining us, subscribing, and all the other things you do. Doesn't spooning always lead to forking? Hey! What a nice way to put it.
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Extreme Guinness World Records. Well, just kind of strange and unusual Guinness World Records. And we discovered it live when doing it. I discovered it came from the Guinness Brewery.

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so it's a good night from michael parkinson whispering sweet lullabies into your ear as you tuck yourself into bed it's a good night from sarah green in the glory hole oh baby that is a good night

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It's also a good night from David Dasmalchian, who sacrifices you to a cult so you can become more famous. It's a good night from Chris Do, doing a poo.
it's also a good night from craig charles who may or may not be hiding in your kitchen cupboard in a gorilla mask doing to jump out at you doing crack not doing anything else it's doing crack

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That'd be a weird thing to find in your kitchen cupboard, wouldn't it? And you can't say doing crack in the glory hole, because that sounds weird. I know someone. I probably shouldn't tell this story, but I'm going to anyway, because I always do this now and again.
Craig Charles is now a DJ as well as still an actor, but he DJs a lot. He's always in Bristol DJing. He's Craig Charles Funk. He does Funk Nights. Yeah, he does play some good stuff. And he, someone I know, invited him back to his house.

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and craig charles went back to their house and they really partied hard with craig charles i'm talking like i won't even go into the stuff they were doing but they partied hard with craig charles in their house and apparently he's just like yeah
you can tell me yeah i'll tell you afterwards but yeah someone i know so that's interesting um well on that note we should probably go so it's also a good night from you it isn't it's a good night from me good night good night

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Thank you for listening to the Podcast on Haunted Hill. We will be back again.

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