Transforming Lives through Holistic Healing and Surfing with Hana Miller

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hanna Miller.
Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Thank you so much for having me stoked to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes, it is awesome to have you here.
We met because of Chiller,which is Wes Miller, or Wes
Chiller is the stage name, whichis pretty cool because we were
at the Dead Bands Lua recently.
Yeah, that's me.
Husband there, the family.
I saw your parents, your mom,with a bubblegum.
I was like dudes, I want to sayhi to everyone.
I'm like, ah, dude, just leteveryone have a good time.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh my gosh, you should have Part of her having a
great time is meeting newpeople.
Oh really, yeah, I watched herlay down a lot of chats with a
lot of different people allnight long.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
That's so rad.
Now you came because you werethe Lua.
How do you say that?
I want to make sure I say thisright, we the head Lua.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I was the queen of the Lua.
The queen of the Lua.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's what it is, queen of the Lua.
There you go, ok, yeah, how didthat come about?
I wanted to ask and talk to Wesabout it, but I'm like I'll
just talk to her on the podcastabout it.
How did you get linked up to dothat?
Yeah, yeah, because you're notlocal anymore, right?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
No, no, I live on the East Coast now, so Wes and I
grew up together.
He's actually my oldest friend.
We've known each other forever.
Get out of here.
Yeah, I know that.
Yeah, yeah, we shared the samelast name, so in school we
always sat next to each other.
We're always next to each otherin the lunch line.
So he's been my man for a lotof years more than 20 years.

(01:28):
We've been friends 20 years.
Yeah, yeah.
So we actually met.
I grew up dancing hula and Icompeted at this big, big show
in California called a hula mau.
And Wes and his family I meanyou know them.
They're just so ingratiated inthe Aloha spirit.
They love the Hawaiian culture.
Wes has played ukulele for Imean forever and ever.

(01:49):
I listened to your podcast withhim recently.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh cool.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Hearing him share that story was just so sweet,
like, so memorable.
And I was the first keiki,which means child in Hawaiian.
I was the first keiki soloistfor my halau, which is my
Hawaiian hula dance troupe,basically.
And I remember Wes came up tome after the show and introduced

(02:14):
himself.
There's actually a photo of usnext to each other.
It's over.
I don't even remember how old.
We must have been 9, 8 or 9years old, and so it's been this
.
It was kind of a big fullcircle moment for us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, getting to theluau, like having it be this
big collaboration.
But yeah, it's been a lot ofyears since I've danced hula on

(02:35):
stage and Wes was originallylooking to me to just kind of
give a little bit of insightinto the Hawaiian culture and
what would make the luau feelreally special and just the
right amount of authentic andcheesy.
So it kind of just evolved fromthere and it turned into him
asking me to host it and danceand it was, I don't know, it was

(02:58):
a while.
That was a great night.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, I mean.
So everybody knows you shouldhave came to the Deadman's luau.
It was a good time.
How did you pick your?
I don't want to say is itcostume, it was the best way to
put it.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
You did have a costume right.
It was a Halloween party.
It was definitely a costume.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Right right Now, were you supposed to be a mermaid,
it kind of went into the mermaidterritory.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
So originally I was thinking Wes and I, we talked
about it just being like aclassic hula outfit, which is
typically like a hokule kopehwhich are around the wrists and
ankles, lei tea leaf skirt.
But when I saw his sequinedtuxedo jacket, something in me

(03:37):
just came alive.
I was like I need somethingthat matches this, and so I
started looking and suddenly itjust evolved into I don't know,
creature of the deep meetsmermaid.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
What's that?
It was great you and your manwalked in.
I was like, oh, you guys lookfantastic.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It was great it came together last minute.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, it was cool, it was a good time and it was just
kind of like it had a goodatmosphere.
Everyone had a pretty good vibe, so it was just fun to be with
everybody and get away for alittle bit Because I tour
managed for him.
So I do a lot of behind thescenes stuff that a lot of
people don't see too muchBecause my thing with him?
I used to do music a lot.
I told him look, dude, I'lljust come to your shows.

(04:16):
I don't need money.
Whatever you need done behindthe scene, I'll take the stress
so you can focus on being theartist.
So you can perform and do well,so it takes that pressure off
of him.
All he has to do is worry aboutis his music.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And you need that balance.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh yeah, you need it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So deeply in front of you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
So it's been cool to be there and see him evolve and
do his thing.
He's so funny I just love him.
He's so creative.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's an animal man.
He's one of the funniestmotherfuckers I've ever seen in
my life and he's just gottenwilder with age.
He's become like both.
He's such an adult now, Likeyou both are, like you have this
house and these jobs and theseresponsibilities and these
things that are so adult, Like Iknow that we're in our 30s but

(05:00):
at the same time, he's still aneight-year-old boy.
Oh yeah.
He's still just wild and crazy,and it's been really cool to
feel that enthusiasm build untillike half somebody who you get
to do that with.
Collaboration is key when itcomes to creating new things, oh

(05:20):
yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Oh yeah, it was cool the way he and I connected,
Because I had no idea he camefrom a different fire department
and I was.
I had just promoted.
I'm working on a new rig.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
And he was there that day Come to find out.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
He's like, hey, you surf.
I'm like, yeah, but the surfand surf was like eight years
old dude Go all the time.
He's like I surf too, and theyactually know now we're surfing,
have a fun.
Just long-boarding together.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh yeah, all the time , all the time.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It's just, it's super cool.
And to see someone in our jobfield.
You know, working asfirefighters, what we do is a
lot of stress involved.
There's a lot of things we haveto deal with that most people
will never see or understand,but to see him as a creative as
well be in that atmosphere.
So it was just encouraging forme, because there's nothing
wrong with firefighters, right,but we work inside a box, right,

(06:02):
we all wear the same uniform.
You follow the SLPs.
This is how you shall do this,that.
But for us, being creative andwriting music or doing podcasts
or whatever your art is, youthink outside the box, and
that's not too popular in thefire service at all, you know.
So it's cool to see someoneelse who can do that but also
have what we do on the side andwe thrive off it together.

(06:23):
Why we've just become suchclose friends and teaming up and
doing stuff.
So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's cool that you guys have been friends that long
but have you surfed your wholelife too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's freaking good Are you surfing on the East
Coast?
I haven't so much, so I've hada little bit of a wild trip on
the East Coast.
For me, the moves have beenvery functional.
I'm from California, but Ispent a lot of years in Hawaii,
which is where I was livingbefore I moved to New York.
And yeah, so the East Coast hasjust been this different

(06:54):
experience.
Like I went originally becauseI was a flight attendant with
American Airlines oh, you were,yeah, so I was with them for a
few years and then, and so I wasbased out of New York and did
that whole grind.
But I was living in Hawaii,commuting to New York, right,
and I did not last very long.
No, that's a lot, it's a lot.

(07:15):
And then I went back to schoolto get my master's in Chinese
medicine and acupuncture.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yo, we are going to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I love you, sent me like who you were before
.
I thought it would be a littleeasier.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Because usually I invite people on, I'm like let's
just be organic and be whatit's going to be.
But I'm like reading, I waslike, wow, I was like hey, sam
too, like she's pretty smart.
Very intelligent woman overhere.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
So real quick on that surfing.
I surf in New York.
It was a long years.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Montauk, Long Beach.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Long.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Beach, long Beach.
Long Beach to Long Beach yes.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Long Beach.
It was so cold, it's so fucking.
I could not believe it.
I was not prepared.
I had a spring suit and I waslike, well, I'm here, I'm just
going to go.
I was freezing.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's so real.
We've done the polar bearplunge out there on Super Bowl
Sunday and snow on the ground.
Everyone's just so cold.
It's so, so, so cold.
It's a blast.
But now that East Coast surfers, it's a hardcore crew.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Like I had a lot of friends who surfed, and just the
dedication that it takes towhen you're living in the city,
especially and if you don't havea car, and it's like you're
rolling on public transportationwith your surfboard.
You're a wetsuit.
You need so much gear becauseit's cold, so it's like you're
not just like in you know,trunks in a shirt, with like a

(08:38):
change of shorts in the bag,ready to, you know, hop back on
the subway to get back home.
It's, it's a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Oh yeah, it's funny to say that because I borrowed a
friend's lawn board who used tolive out here and moved for his
job, for whatever reason, tookhis lawn board, which probably
he didn't surf much out there,but I remember being on the
subway with this 98.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, People are looking like dude, what are you
doing?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's like whatever I'm going to serve, so I don't
care, it's all good.
Okay, so you got your mastersin what again?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Acupuncture in Chinese medicine.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Where'd you go to get that?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, so I went to school in Manhattan.
I was in New York, I went toTri-State College of Acupuncture
and it was a specific master'sprogram for for Chinese medicine
, specifically to become anacupuncturist.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Wow, and it was okay.
What was your undergrad then?
Was it something that I didpre-med, you did pre-med?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I did.
Oh Damn girl.
So my background's in WesternWestern Biomedicine.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, did you originally want, to like, be a
doctor or something?
Yeah, is that what you weregoing for?
That was the plan.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
That was the plan.
I did public health andmicrobiology and was always kind
of set on that path.
And then towards the end ofschool, when everyone was
applying to med school andgetting ready for that process,
I remember I just finishedtaking a health organization and
policy class.
I was just thinking to myself.
I don't want to do this, Idon't want to, I don't want to

(09:57):
do this Like this seems likesuch a bad idea.
What's it like?
Yeah.
So I completed my holistichealth certification
concurrently while I was inschool.
It was just a two-yearcertification and then I stepped
away from education for acouple of years, moved to Hawaii
, did literally nothing for afew years.
We took a break.
I took a break.
I took a much needed break.

(10:18):
I think, especially in our 20s,like we need that space just
for clarity, and I mean it's whyI remember, when I decided to
quit, American Wes was so she'slike what are you thinking?
Oh, come on.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh, he was.
So just like, what are youdoing, like you've got a good
job with a good company?
Yeah, oh my gosh, that was ahe's coming at it.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Part of him cares.
It's like a parent.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Exclusively because he cares Like.
He is one of those people who'sjust always seen the potential
in others and is not afraid topush them.
Part of his charm, part of hisbest qualities, is he nudges.
But I just I'm grateful that Iwas a flight attendant for a few
years, because it's such atough job.
You never really think about it.

(11:04):
I mean, it must be like being afirefighter, you're in service,
yeah.
You're in service, thosesleepless nights like just the
rigmarole, like being withpeople in that capacity, and I
was so unhealthy and so deeplyunhappy that the question became
like what am I doing with mylife?
Like I want to make adifference in people's life, I
want to help people, Like I wantto do something that has more

(11:28):
meaning to me specifically.
And I'd meet other flightattendants who just loved what
they were doing and they were soexcited and so passionate and
love showing up.
And I remember thinking tomyself like I don't feel that
way.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't want to do this.
And and then I met my husbandbless him and I remember
thinking to myself I'm like I'mnot going anywhere, like there's
no fucking way I'm not goinganywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
A little thing called love.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It is.
It's just all of a sudden, youknow, my whole life changed.
Then I yeah, I went back toschool.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Was that in New York that you met?

Speaker 2 (11:59):
him, we met in Peru.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Peru all places yeah.
Peru, let's rent.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, we met in the Amazon jungle, so what?
Maybe you should be on here,jess.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Come take a seat, man .
We got a lot to talk about broso were you both on vacation.
Is that what it?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
was yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
There are no, no limitations to what we can talk
to All right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean I'm an open book.
But yeah, jeff and I met at anIwaska retreat.
Oh very good.
Yeah, so it was.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
That's very healing.
Very yeah so it was my secondyear down there.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, I just did it recently.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, oh, I see, yeah , yeah, I got on my arm.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, well, because of my tattoos.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
They had to do it on the backside of my arm or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I love.
I was going to ask that.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know you're in the holistic and Chinese
medicine, which is I.
I'm a huge supporter ofmedicine.
I'm not a big fan of taking alot of meds.
Sure, I'm even to the point II've had a few injuries because
of my job Torn, rotator cuff,different things have happened.
I've had roofs, you know, hitme in the head, fall down all
this stuff.
I've had brain injuries.
I mean, it's a great, greatcareer.

(13:06):
Yeah, but erection it wrecksyou.
It wrecks you hard and you knowso remember.
After coming off the braininjury and dealing with that, I
felt like because I was still ina really bad fog- it's taken me
years to feel normal internally.
And remember my neurologisttelling me you know you're going
to feel off, but to everyoneelse you'll feel normal.
And it gets to a point whereyou're just super frustrated.

(13:27):
You're like man, I can't putthese things together.
I mean it was so bad I had toget my speech back.
Then, like they had to haveshapes and colors, so it's like,
hey, put this square in thesquare peg.
And I'd be trying to put it inthe round.
It's weird because I knew, Iknew it was a square, but from
here to my hands just wasn'tcomputing, so it was a lot and

(13:48):
I've still dealt.
I think the injury was.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
How long ago.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think it was 2020.
Wow, yeah, 2020.
It was right.
When the pandemic hit?
Wow yeah, I was on duty, rolleda vehicle.
I don't remember.
It was a rainy day and I wokeup in the hospital, can't talk
right and then eventually justlose my speech.
It was crippling in many ways,Very humbling.
You think, oh, my career's over, how am I going to provide?

(14:13):
I got mortgages to pay for andall this other stuff.
Coming off that and gettingback to work, I just for time.
It wasn't working well.
And then you start feeling veryinadequate, you start getting
very dark thoughts and that'swhere I kind of raised my hand
and was like, okay, I need somehelp.
You know, I need luckily havethat at work as far as they have
therapists on call for usthrough a program.
But then there was a friend ofmine.

(14:33):
His name is John Vargas andhe's a firefighter, but he's he
gives out camo, he does that.
I lost good and some other stuffand he reached out to me.
He listened to the podcast alot.
He was like hey man, I know wehaven't talked in a while, but
he said I had some concussionsand I was dealing with a lot of
same things you've talked about.
Why don't you come tryayahuasca?
At that point I was like I'lltry anything, I'll go for it,

(14:59):
and it was one of the I could.
What I usually tell people.
It's one of the mostbeautifully violent experiences
I've ever had.
Because you deal with so muchand it feels like it's this
third person out of body typething.
It was very emotional for me,it was very healing and there's
a lot that I dealt with just inthat amount of time and I'm a
huge supporter on Campbell and Iwas here, I think there's so

(15:21):
much more we can do forourselves.
Yeah, especially, I'm a hugesupporter of these organizations
that help with PTSD, for fire,police, military, because
there's there's so much that wesee and deal with that we can't
just you can't put in the words.
You know we see a lot ofviolence but, we did sign up for
it.
We're here to help people, yeah, but who's gonna help me?
Yeah that's why I got to a pointhow do I help myself?
Yeah, I'm helping people and Ifeel like I'm losing my mind

(15:43):
here, and after doing that, Iwas gives a life-changer.
It was, it was.
It gave me so much clarity andit gave me like had hope again.
Hmm.
You know I was like, oh my gosh, tim, you're gonna be fine, I
know you're gonna be good.
So I love to hear that both ofyou guys were doing that.
I think it's a beautiful thing.
It really is, if you're readyfor it Of course say but is that

(16:06):
something that you also learnedin the medicine, that you
learned with your degrees andall that?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
So it was really, um, it's kind of the other way
around.
So, yeah, I I started workingwith with ayahuasca when I was
24.
Okay and I met Jeff when I was25, and I went back to school
when I was just about 26.
Okay, so it's before yeah, yeah, and it was really, um, you
know, similar to you, you knowI'd been through, been through

(16:31):
quite a bit of trauma.
You know different accidents,you know sexual trauma,
difficult things.
Like I said at the beginning,there's nothing else.
I'll tell you everything.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I literally I'm open with people for a living, so
who's gonna be inspired that's?
why yeah, it's easy to talkabout, but it was just hearing
you kind of recount thatexperience as well, like that
frustration, that that Opennessand willingness.
You're like I'll try anything,like I will do anything because
this isn't working for me.

(17:00):
Yeah, and that's typically likewhere, where I meet clients out
as well, is when they're kindof at Like they're wits end.
They're like I'm willing to dowhatever it takes to take
ownership of my life, to takecontrol of my circumstances, to
feel Like I'm not at the mercyof my experiences and instead
like I'm my own person and Ihave a choice here and I have

(17:21):
resilience.
And so it was like this big,big turning point in my life
where I'm sure that so manypeople can relate to that in
their 20s Just being, you know,lost.
Yeah you know, lost and hopelessand frustrated and in poor
physical health, poor emotionalhealth, like really questioning
your mental well-being as well.
Yeah and so it was, you know,something that calls to you.

(17:43):
And so, yeah, I went to thejungle the first year when I was
24, and then I went back at 25about a year later, took Plenty
of much needed time to integrateeverything, and then, and then
it was during that retreat thatI met Jeff and Just the message
came through that it's like,what am I doing?

(18:03):
Yeah, like there's so much moreto what I'm capable of.
There's so much more that callsto me and I need to To help
people in any way, shape that Ican, even if I'm ill prepared
for it.
So the question kind of becamehow do I get prepared for this?
How do I develop the skills andthe tools and the knowledge to
be of service to other people?

(18:24):
And and it came in a dream, youknow, it's like acupuncture
played a big role in my healingjourney.
I'm, you know, chinese wine onmy mother's side, and so we grew
up seeing acupuncturists.
But like with with acupunctureit's it's something that mirrors
the work that that ayahuascaprovides, because it's a

(18:45):
complete system of healing.
And what, what a lot of peoplearen't aware of with with
ayahuasca, is that it's part ofa greater pharmacopia of
medicinal plants and it's acomplete, complete system, and
that's really what I fell inlove with with Chinese medicine
and with all, all ancient, truemedicine.
You see this with Ayurvedicmedicine, and it's something

(19:08):
that sees the human as so muchmore than just their physical
body, so much more than justtheir emotions or their spirit.
It sees them as, again, thesecomplete beings.
Yeah so that's why acupunctureis the shit, chinese medicines,
the fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Absolutely.
Well, I'm getting old man.
I gotta start doing some stuffto help myself out here.
Speaking of which, at the, thedead ends of the well.
Yeah.
I hope you saw when I said hito you I totally had earplugs in
the whole night.
The whole night I was like dude, I gotta keep the just work.
I've lost hearing in my leftear Just a lot of motors and
stuff like that, so I'm like I'mgonna put these in.

(19:44):
I may look like a dad, but itis what it is.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, good, do the dad thing.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
So from graduating with your masters you have your
own business.
Did that start right when youfinished your master's degree,
or is that something that kindof you built up over time?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, so I it was a combination.
So I opened my privateacupuncture practice right when
I passed the boards and gotlicensed, and then it was really
the same kind of naggingfeeling for a lot of years where
I I love, I love acupuncture, Ilove treating people, I love
love having my hands on people.
But I just remember thinking tomyself again and again like

(20:25):
this is medicine and this isknowledge that everyone needs to
have.
And so from that, that ideaEmerged my online business and
that's really like the big focus, like to me now, acupuncture is
the pleasure.
Yeah like being with people,having that time being with them
face to face, and then the.
You know, the bulk of mybusiness is online where I

(20:46):
educate people.
So I have a three month onlineprogram, the balanced woman, and
it's where I teach womenspecifically how to heal
themselves Holistically, okay,you know to heal their bodies,
master their emotions, aligntheir lives, work through trauma
, work through blockages, workthrough hormonal imbalances, and
it's it's amazing because I getto work with women from all

(21:08):
over the world Now yeah, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
So you have your business literally worldwide
pretty much.
Yeah yeah, that's amazing.
Now, you know, I've known froma lot of my fellow personnel
firefighters.
Because we're exposed to somuch over time just from because
nowadays, right, a lot ofthings are made out of plastic,
so that smoke isn't burning asclean as people think.
Right, it's not the old homeswith the nice wood furniture and

(21:30):
the metal trash can, right,it's particle stuff and plastic.
So we get exposed to a lot andwith that for I know at least on
the male side we have a lot ofinfertility issues, and so do
some of the women, does some ofwhat you do, deal with that.
And the females infertilityType issues are trouble getting
pregnant.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I made your part of it right, yeah, yeah.
I see a lot of my friendsstruggling with that definitely.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I mean it's.
I See women for a whole host ofimbalances, but like the main
ones are definitely Fertility,pms, pcos, fibroids, uterine
cancer, cervical cancer Okay.
I mean cancers of all kind, andthen obviously like the
emotional Ramifications thatcome with being physically out
of balance as well.
Yeah so the anxiety, thedepression, the suicidal

(22:16):
thoughts, postpartum depressionand just feeling disconnected.
You know how it is whensomething's going on with you
physically.
Oh, when yeah how does it noteventually wear down on your
mental clarity and youremotional capacity?
So it's ensuring that acrossthe board, holistically, you're
being cared for in a way that'scohesive and comprehensive.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, I'm really glad you've been hit the hit on so
much because and this is notsome people are gonna need the
pharmaceutical meds.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh yeah, I can't.
My background's in Westernmedicine.
I love Western medicine.
Yeah, I like.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
I get it, but I I shy away from it.
You know, because a lot ofthese meds are really tough on
your organs.
A lot of people don'tunderstand and even, like some
of my family members, they'llsay oh, I'm good, I took my
blood pressure method.
No, it's.
It's meant for you to take itfor a little bit of time and
then get yourself healthy so youget off it, not be on it for
like 15 years, you know so Ialways.

(23:12):
It's almost like.
I hate to say this, but fromwhat I've noticed, it's sick
people make money.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely don't, they don't you
know.
So that's why I'm making moneyoff of me anymore.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Right, I mean, I don't have an addictive
personality, but I had throatsurgery back in 2015 and it was
the healing process on that wasterrible, because everything we
do, life is through your mouth.
You eat, breathe, drinkeverything, grow it hurt to
breathe.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh, it's terrible.
It was like they're say hey,it'll, it'll be like seven days.
That was the longest seven daysof my life.
I remember they gave me liquidcoding.
Take this for your pain.
It was like every four hoursand After a couple days I
noticed it.
I needed it every three and ahalf now I need it to, and then,
once I start rose, I'm likewait a minute, I'm not taking

(24:03):
this like I'm supposed to.
I was like, nope, I'm done.
Yeah, that toss it out, I'lljust take tonal, I'll just deal
with it because, I don't want toget hooked on that.
I've seen that a lot with,unfortunately, some people that
I know where they've been giventhese heavy narcotics to help
with pain.
The next thing you know they'rehooked on it.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's, I mean, it's terrible.
Oh, it's bad.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
It's an epidemic in itself.
That's why I always I'm such abig pusher on trying to do
things naturally first startwith your least invasive, then
go on to your most invasive,whether that's narc or whatever
you got to do to feel better,but I'm a huge supporter of what
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think it's very, very important.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I know Wes is.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
We talked about all the time I mean you heard us
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I'm sure with what you do, how you help people, it
doesn't line up as well withsurfing and being grounded.
Yeah in the ocean and that'sits own way for me.
I'm only 37, but my dad, mydad's a lifelong surfer.
He had me out since I was likeeight years.
Oh, you know that's what we do,and I remember him telling me
and it stuck with me all theseyears so much Because he's such

(25:03):
a, he's a, he's a rough, he'sthat gender, older, generation,
right, he's a Vietnam vet adifferent time, like man, go to
work and provide, you know, andthen the women stay home,
whatever.
But I remember him taking me tothe ocean In surfing, and he
said always, respect this place.
Everyone comes here for adifferent reason but leaves
better.
I remember being like eightyears old.

(25:24):
I was like she, what Can wejust go serve Like as we grow
right her 20s, like there's themystery of life is interesting.
It has highs and some heavy,heavy loads and where I've felt
always so grounded like I'mgonna be okay is Even when life
hurts, someone's passed away ordifficulties of diagnosis is or

(25:48):
the joys of New born in thefamily or whatever it may be.
I go to the beach, yeah, and Istand on that sand and I hang
out, watch surf for a little bit.
For our going.
I always just feel like I canfeel the ocean breeze, the sand
feels good on my toes, exceptfor when it's like 105 out and
the sands burn.
But then you get in the waterand it's like you have to.

(26:11):
You mean, for us now it'snatural, right, I can just turn
on board and boom, just jump upbecause you've been doing it for
so long.
But you know, to the focus youneed to have for the timing of
the wave, watching the swelltime this was how many sets are
in the swell.
You know how many waves are inthis the set coming through, and
you know what am I gonna do?
My hang 10 this time I go in it.
You have to focus so much it'slike I forget everything.

(26:32):
And every time I get out wherethere's a first wave or last
wave, I'm always smiling.
Oh, I try to encourage so manypeople like, just go to page man
, yeah, get in the water.
You never know what's gonna dofor you.
I don't know if that ever linesup with what you're helping
people with oh my gosh, to ateam.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I mean that's a dirty .
I love listening to people.
So that's, that's the beauty ofChinese medicine, because it's
elemental medicine and you knowpeople, they, they have a very
standard understanding ofacupuncture where they're like
oh, it really helps with lowback, oh, I have a friend who
got pregnant.
Oh, like it helps withheadaches or sleep quality or
anxiety.
But what I teach people is thedeeper philosophy and also the

(27:12):
system beneath it, which is allbased on five elements and how
these five elements fire, earth,metal, water and wood mirror
the external seasons, mirror theseasons of our life, mirror the
way that we process things, andit's Such a deep and profound
way to begin to look ateverything in your life.

(27:33):
So, even hearing you talk aboutthese times in your life, like
these lows and these highs, likethe beauty of seeing it from
this perspective, is that yourecognize the place that both of
these experiences have and youGrowing and progressing as a
person, how we need to havethese moments of struggle.
We need to have these times whenwe feel Disconnected from

(27:54):
ourselves, when we feel lost,when it feels like everything's
just going to shit, like onething after another Is just
fucking going to shit.
We need it, you know, becausethese are those formative
experiences which, in Chinesemedicine, correspond to Yin,
which is darkness, nighttime,the downward movement of energy

(28:14):
to more of the feminine, to moreInternal reflection, to winter.
You know it's.
It's these times when it feelslike nothing's changing,
everything hurts.
I'm sitting in the dark, Idon't know my way out, I don't
know if there's ever going to bea spring time.
You know, it's that pure, likewinter, that hibernation time,

(28:35):
and when you learn to recognizeit for what it is, it makes
those dark times not onlyBearable, yeah, it makes them
meaningful, because you knowthat inevitably there's
Springtime coming.
Yeah there's movement, there's.
You just said the word hopewith that, like how ayahuasca
gave you hope.
Yeah and hope is the emotionassociated with springtime,

(28:57):
associated with the wood element, associated with new beginnings
.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yes, yeah, gosh, you said something so good and no,
that's struggle.
That hits us at times.
You know there's always asaying I will Try to tell
friends who are going.
I've once married beforeTerrible wrong to divorce.
Don't wish on anybody, butthose are some dark times, right
Hard, and I've been helpingpeople, their friends, that are

(29:23):
dealing with that.
It's hard, right.
That's the equate to death inthe family.
That's what it feels like.
And by there's so many times I,you know, I tell friends and
I've read it myself.
You know, calm seas didn't makea skilled sailor.
You know that sticks with me attimes because the reality is, I
don't care who you are, itdoesn't matter if you're the
wealthiest person in the world,you are the poorest, or you're

(29:45):
the highest performing athleteor you're nobody.
We're all going to deal withvery difficult times.
Struggles come your way, noone's.
No one's gonna escape that.
And there's so many times inthose dark moments I felt to
myself you're like dude, there'sno escape.
How am I gonna get through this?
I mean, there was times in mylife, at least for me, of

(30:05):
literally being on these justcrying, like I even pranked God,
I need help here, like I needsome.
Someone needs to help mebecause I can't do this.
This is too much.
But then, realizing Years downthe road, you look back, you're
like Damn, I got through that.
Mm-hmm.
Like it's okay, like there's somuch I learned.

(30:26):
You know, I look back, I'm likedang this and this, this, this,
or you list off the things thatI learned that were good from
that.
Here's the this, this and this.
I did bad and you progress andyou grow and I I've always
learned at least for me, some ofthe best growth I'm learning I
had were through the difficulttimes in the bad decisions
course.
I've learned some heavy, heavydecisions and Even to the point,
at least for me, of havingempathy for people.

(30:48):
Now, you know I like I say I'vehad great success in my life.
I've done well.
I've had very dark times.
I've had a lot of money, nothad a lot of money, still had
the same issues yeah, so thesame problems.
I've met really awesome people.
I've met people that are nuts,you know, but they're all going
through something and to sit andit's like we talked about the
whole reason.
I do this podcast.

(31:09):
I like listening to people justas much as you like helping
talking to people, and it'samazing when I get people on
here, you start hearing theirstories.
You're like I had no idea youwere going through that.
Yeah, like that's heavy.
Yeah, and I yeah, this is whatI did.
Well, you're like yo, dude,that's super inspiring.
You start hearing peopledealing with real life.
Yeah, not the fake of socialmedia.

(31:30):
You know the the all this bereal, right, social media is
great, it's good for business,all that, but good Lord, love,
it's so fake.
You're seeing the best ofpeople right and I'm like, well,
that's cool.
I want to know about your hardtimes.
I want to know how you got towhere you are.
Yeah, what made you the personthat you are?
What are the some of themistakes?
What are the difficult timeswere out of your control.
But my goodness, looking backand seeing just as me talking

(31:54):
personally the growth that I'vehad and there's still regret.
Trust me, you're like dude.
I can't believe I made thatdecision.
I can't be talking to thatperson that way.
But you become such a betterperson.
It's for me.
I had to learn, start realizing, like with anything I've had an
issue with or I've made amistake.
I don't point at the person.
I've learned now to look atmyself.
Yeah, okay, where did I gowrong?
How could I have projectedmyself better?

(32:16):
How could I have talked to thisperson better?
Why did I make that baddecision?
or why did I make that gooddecision?
I went well.
What led up to these things andthat's what has helped me grow
as a person, but Honest, beendifficult at times and you know
I've had great conversationswith West.
We open up each other because IThink an ad is dressed to not
just deal with your own life,but now you add on the things

(32:37):
that we see in our career field,you know and it's like in a, we
work two days on, four off, soin a 48 hour period, right, you
know, we'll see someone who tooktheir own life to someone who's
had a heart attack, wedelivered a baby, fought a fire,
cut a person out of car, andit's like, okay, 7 am Is hit, go
home and be a husband, a son, afather, you know, a father,

(32:58):
uncle, whatever it's gonna be,and be normal.
And you're like in this shellshock mode.
You're like I just saw thiscraziness.
Yeah, like how do I in that thebummer with a lot of this is is
it teaches us to bury things.
Hmm, which is a bad bad idea,and I did that for so many, so
many years.
And then you that starts toplay Private life and this goes

(33:19):
for anybody, of course.
You don't handle the issuesthat you have.
Now that's playing a role in myrelationships, whether it's
someone I'm dating or withfamily like why am I getting
angry?
Why over what?
Because there's a dish likewhat am I flipping out for right
now, there's no reason to bethis way and realizing it's
something within I need tohandle.
You know I need to dig insidemyself and figure out the things

(33:41):
that I've been through thathave affected my soul, my heart,
so I can be a better person.
That start cowering away andbecome this dark entity of Tim
Fisher.
That doesn't need to be becausethat's happened.
I noticed that when I struggle,I Cower away.
I won't say cower, but yeah, Ihide, I keep everybody out.
I don't want anyone know likeI'm struggling, having a hard
time, and that's where you startgetting these thoughts.

(34:03):
We're like you know, maybe it'sbetter I'm out here.
It's like wait a minute, let'sstop this right now.
Any day above the dirt's a damngood day, I don't care how bad
your struggle is.
That's why we're so big on herabout PTSD or fire, police,
military getting help, becauseso many people just don't
understand.
Yeah, and then what do they do?
They throw medication at us.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
There's better ways.
That's why I'm, like I, such abig proponent on what you're
you're doing, and I know it'sgeared towards women, right.
Yeah do you also do with themen as well?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I do, yeah, so I have the primary focus as women, but
I've also found that Within afamily, especially women tend to
be the drivers.
So when their shit is inbalance, when they know who they
are, when they know whatthey're supposed to be Eating to
support their health andsupport their hormones, when
they know how to resolveemotional blockages and move

(34:53):
through trauma, when they're nolonger being governed and
directed by these experiencesthat they've had that may create
this, you know this unfoundedanger or projection.
It's like a ripple effect.
There's this saying in Chinesemedicine.
It's a Taoist, a saying thatI've adopted for for my own
purposes, in my owninterpretation, but essentially

(35:16):
it's like one one.
One person heals, they can helpanother person heal, and when
two people are healed, they canhelp three people heal, and when
three people are healed, allpeople are healed.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
That's good.
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
So it's the same principle.
It's like I know that if I canhelp one woman, yeah her family
changes, her friendships changeand that has a ripple effect.
So I start with women, becauseI'm you know, I'm a woman.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I am a lady.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
But I work a lot with couples okay which I see often.
And then I work a lot with menin my private practice, but
we're we're hoping to expand andwe're hoping to to work with
men as well and even justhearing you talk about this, you
know my mom, my mother, isalways very concerned about me.
I'm sure that you hear aboutthis all the time, but she's

(36:04):
always like are you okay?
I'm like, I'm good, I'm good,but Growing up as a very
sensitive child, you know, assomeone who's always taken an
interest in people and lovespeople and has the tendency to
find, growing up, I'd findmyself in the position where
people would just open up, dumpa lot on me, and it was a lot.

(36:24):
Yeah, it was exhausting.
It's really difficult whenyou're you know you're that
person.
People love you.
You know they're like I'll justtell you everything, tim, no
problem.
If you don't have the skillsand the tools and the resources
and the sense of center toensure that you're in balance,
you can start to absorb a lot ofthat.
You know you carry that withyou.
You carry the things thatyou've experienced from work.

(36:46):
You know, and I still rememberwhen West told me he wanted to
be a firefighter, I was like Idon't want you to be a
firefighter like I don't wantyou to do it.
I'm like I love you, I'm soproud of you.
I think that's amazing, I thinkthat's a terrible idea.
I don't want that for you.
But as someone who's in a verydifferent field of work but also
something similar where I havewomen coming to me day in and

(37:09):
day out sharing about thevarious traumatic experiences
they've been through, which arejust just dreadful, just
Terrible, the things that peoplehave endured, myself included.
I remember when I first startedI was like I don't know if I
can do this as an acupuncturist.
I was like I don't know if Ican do this, like I don't know

(37:30):
if I can have my hands on thesepeople.
I don't know if I can hold thisspace for them to help them
move through these reallyintense like physical blockages,
emotional blockages, thingsthat have shaped their
behavioral patterns, theiraddictive behaviors, their
relationships.
And it's through an educationwhere I really Learned the

(37:51):
structure in the system.
And it's also through a veryin-depth education with Iwaska,
with our Arm maestro there, likeApprenticing her, learning from
her, learning how to beresilient, so that one these
things Inevitably, you know,come towards me.
One women come towards meneeding to work through this
shit.
Yeah, it's like water off theducks back.

(38:13):
You know like I remain centered, like I remain myself, because
I know that when I'm in order,when I'm in balance, when I'm
centered, that's how I'm able tobe of service.
I Don't need to absorbeveryone's things, I don't need
to relieve them of their burdens.
It's my mission to teach themhow to relieve their own burdens
, to center themselves so thatthey too can be resilient and

(38:36):
navigate the difficulties andstruggles of life with the same
clarity and ease that I'veActively cultivated within
myself.
You know it's, it's things likethis, things like what you're
doing.
You know what it means to to becentered, so that when you're
pulled off center through anynumber of Experiences, any
number of things that you see,you know how to bring yourself

(38:57):
back.
Yeah and that's the connectionto the ocean, that's the
connection to nature into theelements You're like.
Here I am.
Yeah.
I forgot about you for a while,lost side of you.
Yeah and then you get out ofthe water and you're like oh,
like I've still, like I'm stillin there.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'm still me.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, it's almost like gosh get out.
You feel like you're thatresilient kid.
It was just having fun, yeah,you know, it's I bear some of
the good points because how manypeople probably feel like, how
do I help myself?
Yeah, I know what that feelslike.
That's a question terriblefeeling.
Giving people the tools yeah,you know, to help them live a
better life.
Piece said gosh, it's soimportant.

(39:33):
It really is, because thestruggle is the struggle.
Life is real.
Man, we're all going.
It's not easy.
You're dealing with so manydifferent things happening and
work and family Moving, livinghere, family, this over there.
It's just.
It's amazing, but I think, Ithink with for me at least with
age and time and experience inlife, you start to learn the

(39:54):
importance of making sureyourself is taken care of yeah,
like you say, right yeah.
How am I gonna pour out intoother people if I'm not doing
good?
Yeah, and that's what it feltlike at work for so long.
We're sitting here and like,literally we're saving people
saving people.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, giving your body is giving.
Oh my gosh mental and emotionalwell-being.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, and then you get off and you just like you're
in this weird fog and likeshell shock.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
There's nothing left, and then you're supposed to go
home.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, and it's like you still have responsibilities.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
You're just getting started.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So that it's so beautiful doing that, that, what
you're doing is, it's soimportant.
It really is to show peoplethere is a way.
There is a way like almost.
I want to say I promise you theway, and the Sun's gonna rise
and it's a new day to startsomething new every single day,
it's gonna be good.
Yeah, now, one thing that youdid say how.
I really want people to hearthis, because I feel like diet
is a huge issue in our country,but food plays such a huge

(40:46):
importance on your body and yourhealth physically and mentally,
I would say correct.
Mm-hmm.
What best?
I want to ask this is more likehow do people, how do we get
people to understand that whatthey're putting in their bodies
is important?
It's not just like I'm justgonna get a burger today, I'll
get pizza tomorrow.
I hear me out.
Okay, we pretty healthy Mealprep, all that stuff now the

(41:11):
weekends, that's my time.
Oh yeah, pancakes let's go geta burger, let's have a shake.
Monday comes, boom, we're backon it.
But the importance of yourdiets and your food, how much
that plays into your well-being.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Hmm, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's everything.
It's funny even say that,though, because it's, it's a
combination.
It's education, of course, youknow, like my background's in
health, education, public health, and it's education, but it's
also Understanding the deepervalue behind it, why I'm always

(41:45):
concerned with why am I doingthis?
Why, like, what's the ultimatepurpose?
What's?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
your understand right .

Speaker 2 (41:50):
If people don't feel connected to what they're doing,
if they don't feel connected totheir food, connected to To
what they're putting in theirbodies, they're not going to
follow through on eating, whilethere always has to be a deeper
why to what we're doing and alot of it, funny enough, like I
make shit really complicatedsometimes.
We all do like.

(42:11):
I love the Intricacies and thedetails of things.
I love to like dig into it, butI always come back to the most
simple, basic truths.
And when it comes to what weput in our bodies, how we move
our bodies, our overall health,what we invest in ourselves, it
comes back to how much am Iworth?
Oh, Wow.

(42:32):
How valuable is my body?
Yeah how valuable is my mentaland emotional well-being?
What do I deserve?
Because there's, you know,there's short-term pleasure for
long-term pain, and then there'sshort-term a little bit of
discomfort for Long-termpleasure girl real quick.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Can you say that one more time what?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
did I say?
I Will say it again.
I'm like, let me think, whatdid I say?
I said there's Short-termpleasure which can yield
long-term pain, and then thereis short-term discomfort for
long-term pleasure.
Mmm, food is one of thosethings.
Self-care is one of thosethings.
Moving our bodies Do I lovegoing to the gym?

(43:13):
Not always, you know.
I found a way to fall in lovewith it because I say to myself
like I love this, like I love mybody, I love moving my body.
Even the days when it'sdifficult, I'm in like do I love
Cleansing with as muchregularity as I do not always?
The last one that Jeff and Idid my husband was a battle.
I was like this is why I don'tcleanse with you.

(43:36):
When I cleanse by myself, I'min this zone.
It's at a very acidic time,like I'm focused.
But the funny thing about therecent cleanse that we did, I
was like I know at any givenmoment I can tell Jeff like you
want to go get ice cream andhe'll be like okay.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
But even still, like it was funny moving through it
with him.
Yeah like going through.
And it's when I say cleanselike we're not fasting, we're
not on an all juice cleanse.
It's not that fucking hard.
Right like you're just eatingclean, whole, simple foods.
And in Chinese medicine, when itcomes to food, when it comes to
movement, everyone has a veryunique constitution.

(44:16):
So what a lot of people don'tunderstand is that is that they
need to eat in accordance totheir unique body type, to what
they need emotionally.
If you're the type of personwho's always craving sweets,
there's a chance that there's animbalance within your earth
element, that you may havedigestive issues, that you may
have an underlying deficiency inyour spleen or in your pancreas

(44:37):
, that you may have the tendencyto put on weight in certain
places and and a whole host ofother things.
But they think, like there'ssomething wrong with me because
I crave sweets, because I havethis addictive tendency, because
, like, I just have a Sweettooth and there's nothing I can
do about it, as opposed toasking themselves like, is there
something that I'm missing thatI really need?
You know?

(44:57):
So it's.
It's learning to understandwhat do you uniquely need?
And there's a reason whyChinese medicine is more
effective than a lot of othermodalities of healing is because
it's highly individualized.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Everyone needs something different.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
That is so true.
Okay, why is the reason why Ido ask this?
Because I Did have that momentwhere Mike okay, ate this.
I feel like trash.
The next day I got done surfingat church, I just took my RV
down there.
I always park, like we get onthe base and park and just hang
for the day.
It's great, right, it's so cool, it's a fun break.

(45:33):
We could be there all day.
And I didn't plan appropriatelybecause I usually take my RV on
duty and that's kind of like mything when I get off, for me to
kind of like Get the pressureoff of what you know doing with
being on shift and all that I gostraight to the beach.
You usually, if there's no surf, I go skydive.
I've got a Paraguay, yeah.
Yeah, there's no surfing.
Like cool, I'm gonna go to dropzone and go surf or, excuse me,

(45:55):
go skydive.
Then I go for run and do mything or whatever.
But I Didn't plan.
I was excited to get down therebecause the surf was good.
I think it was actually a day.
West was down there.
We surfed all day, we had blastand I was like man, I am
starving.
There's a Carl's Jr Over there,which I'm sure you know.
I think it's off Kristin.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh yeah, my brother lives right there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So I'm like you know what?
I'm just gonna go over here andjust grab a quick double
Western bacon cheeseburger.
I haven't had one in probablylike 10 years, so I get it.
I mean it driving away homelessmusic, it's a great time.
I woke up the next day.
I was so swollen the face Ilike my face was tight, dude,
everything was kind of likepuffy and I thought I'm never

(46:33):
having that burger.
It's me different now.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I can't you're definitely gonna have.
You just got, like it's, fearand fire between man, I was
thinking, dude, just from theburger.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I mean, yeah, I eat clean, but man, that one, that
one thing hit me so hard.
And that's when I startedconnecting.
I'm like, okay, I don't want tofeel that way again.
Because the next day, the wholeday, I just felt sluggish,
tired, drained and, like yousaid, short-term pleasure.
Right, boy, when that Westernbacon cheeseburger went in,
right, I was pumping, I wasdriving a little RV, I was like,

(47:07):
dude, surfed all day.
This is great.
The next day I was like I feellike a blob.
I can't do this ever again.
But linking that Understanding,like, okay, eating this food
made me feel this way.
Done, yeah, I don't want tofeel that way.
I don't like how I felt in themorning.
I don't like being sluggish allday because I get up and work

(47:27):
out and go move, first thing Idid want to do anything the
whole day.
So it's like linking for me,linking that together and
understanding what that made mybody feel like, yeah, I'm not
gonna do it for me, it has to beworth it.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
You know I love to eat like I'm not one of those
girls I love to eat, I love toindulge, like I'm a happy girl,
you know, when there's, whenthere's something good on the
table, right.
But for me it's ensuring thatthere's again this balance.
So that's really.
I mean, that's life, right,that's the seasonality of things

(48:01):
, like, that's being in harmony,it's it's balance and knowing
how far can I push this?
How much room do I have to?
How do I, how do I always saythis?
So it's not necessarily the bestanalogy, but it's the one that
always helps me, and visually,probably because there's food
involved.
But it's basically like if youimagine a plate, you know, and

(48:21):
your plate's like pretty full,and you even hear that, like in
the way that we say things likeoh, I've just got so much on my
plate.
Like when we have a lot on ourplate, whether it's, you know,
environmental toxins, like youwere talking about before,
surrounded by plastic, there'sshit in the air, like there's
things in the water, there'sthings in my food, like that
takes up room on the plate.
And If we have a bunch of othercrap on the plate, like we have

(48:43):
stress on the plate, yeah, wehave difficulties in our home
life.
On the plate, we have adifficult job, something that
taxes us physically andemotionally, and then you're
putting on things like baconcheese burgers and French fries
and alcohol and drugs andwhatever.
It just takes up room.
And so when the plate starts tospill over, those are the

(49:06):
symptoms that we start to see.
It's when we're just atcapacity.
That's when we start to seethings like brain fog and
headaches, poor sleep quality,anxiety, depression, bloating,
you know whatever it may be.
And so the whole idea is youneed to do things to take Stuff
off your plate, like create alittle bit of room, because when
you've got a little bit of roomon your plate, or when you have

(49:29):
enough, you can have that baconcheese burger and you're like
I'm good.
Like there's room on this platefor this.
Right now, like I'm feelingcentered, I'm feeling strong,
I'm feeling well rested, likework's not stressing me out.
Home life is good.
I've been eating generally, youknow, 80% clean.
You've got room for thesethings that take up a little bit
more space.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So true, yeah, you just got to fix it.
I love how you make it sosimple.
It's like well, yeah, it isthat simple.
Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Exactly.
We love to complicate things,but we also like the simplicity
of what it means to be healthy,you know.
But when we're unhealthy it canfeel so complex, like we're
going to one person after theother trying to look for answers
, trying to fix it, trying,trying, trying.
And in a lot of ways it's likejust these few simple things

(50:17):
need to come into alignment andthen you're good, and then
you're cruising, and thendifficult things happen and
you're like whoa, this is kindof hard, but I'm okay.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, ideally, I know.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Okay, so you do the acupuncture and so people kind
of understand what like.
So what is acupuncture doingwhen you're this way?
I don't want to sound dumb,right, but you're putting that
needle into somebody, right?
So people know when you'refocusing it on a spot.
I mean, I know you can do itfor stress or pain, but what is
that actually doing?
What is that activating?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Good question.
This is a big question.
There's a lot in there.
There's a lot in there.
So, from the very, very simplelevel, when there's pain in the
body, it's because energy'sstagnated.
So in Chinese medicine theycall it Qi, and when Qi
stagnates, it creates pain.
So Qi stagnates for any numberof reasons.

(51:10):
It can be physical trauma, itcan be roofs literally falling
on your head, your poorshoulders, your poor noggin oh
my gosh.
It can be things you can be inan accident.
But it can also come fromthings that are difficult, like
if you've ever been throughsomething emotionally difficult,
how stuck you can feel.
Yeah, you can feel stuckemotionally.

(51:31):
Or you can feel stuck in yourcareer, or you can feel stuck in
your relationship.
When things get stuck in yourlife, it creates pain in the
body over time.
And how I think of it is almostlike our body is a series of
rivers, right?
So if you think of Qistagnation like a big boulder
being dropped in a river, whathappens?

(51:51):
Over time?
The water starts to move alittle bit less freely and
something that was once clearand clean and flowing suddenly
starts to become a little bitcreepy, looking Like it starts
to pull up, algae starts to grow.
It's no longer clear, like it'sdiseased, right, the water
becomes diseased.
So what acupuncture does is itessentially goes in and it

(52:15):
removes those boulders, clearsout the debris, clears out the
buildup, clears out the excessand allows things to flow the
way that they're meant to flow.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
My goodness, I did acupuncture.
I think it was a few years ago,but I remember when I was going
in for just my knees, becauseat the time I was doing
ultramarathons.
I was running 50, 60 milerounds.
Fuck yeah, it was a fuck.
Yeah, but you finish, you feellike you conquer the world and
they give you a banana and acheap medal.
It's like all right, go home,good job.
We're like that's it, Like Ifeel like I conquer the world,

(52:46):
man.
But yeah, I know it's like yeahget ready for the next one and I
remember doing my knees but hesuggested hey, you know he's got
no me, you know he's a reallygood dude.
He said you do a lot, you do alot of stress, let's do some
acupuncture for stress.
I remember him doing that andgirl.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Oh my gosh, the rest of the day I was just like dude.
I feel great.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, but I remember like he had some in my hand and
then he put one like right thereand then put one on top of my
head.
I remember just like sittingthere I was thinking I wonder
how crazy it looked right now.
You look nuts, trust me, youlook crazy I kept looking in
between my eyes like dude, whatis this thing right here?
But it worked, it worked.
I was surprised because I wasraised in a pretty strict
Christian home.
I come from a very faith basedhome and I have my own faith.

(53:34):
I throw it to church every day.
Now, like I'm not the posterchild for Christianity, I'll
tell you right now I'm being abeliever, but I have my own
relationship with my creator.
That's all it matters to me.
But anything outside of prayingand church is just like
witchcraft.
You can't do that right.
That's just how I was raised.
So to do cambo or tryacupuncture, I was always like

(53:57):
dude, what's gonna happen?
And then to realize like yo,this is great, this isn't
witchcraft.
This is good stuff.
This is natural healing medicinethat will help you and I could
say it just from experience.
It's been a game changer.
It really has.
It's realizing like, hey,there's, there are people who
are gonna need differentprograms and doctors for stuff,
but if you just try these thingsfirst, you might be surprised

(54:20):
how well it's gonna work out foryou and what it's gonna do,
cause it has been life changingfor me.
And that's why yeah like, whenyou sent me your profile and
what you're doing, I was like,oh man, she's rad dude, we gotta
get her on here, we gotta talkabout this, yeah, yeah, and it's
funny to even say that you knowwe can go that route as well.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
But when we're open, when we're in alignment, like
that is a deeper connection toGod or to some sort of higher
power or higher purpose orwhatever it is that people
believe in.
But that's been the interestingthing was it was really like
through combo, through ayahuasca, that I rediscovered faith in
something greater.

(54:59):
It's like how could you not?
You know?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
I 100% agree with you .
I mean gosh, just to even knowhow you're, how magnificent the
body is, I mean and this is notto get like crazy spiritual, but
I'm just thinking like-, but wecan.
Yeah, I mean, it's even to thinkwhen two people come together
and you create a human being,the miracle behind that.

(55:22):
I saw this video the other dayand it was showing when the
sperm actually implants the egg.
I can't remember what theycalled it, but a ring of light
hits around that egg and I waslike I remember stopping it.
I got super emotional.
I was like this is glorious.
This is so beautiful yeah now.
That being said, I am aparamedic still right.

(55:43):
So I'm going to paramedicschool.
We have to.
It's like a crash course ofmedicine.
It's hard but you spend like acouple of days in labor and
delivery.
Yo, a shout out to all theladies.
Okay, so much respect.
I passed out.
I'm there trying to learn.
And I fell to my knees.
Okay, I was like yo, what isgoing on here, man?

(56:04):
This was like 12, 15 years ago.
You know, you think you're somehot shot young firefighter, I
can see and do anything.
And I got there.
It was like 7 am I supposed tobe there?
7 to 7, right, hey, you need tohelp deliver babies so you can
do it in the field.
All right, cool, let's do this.
Right?
Hey, tim, come in here.
We got emergency C-section.
I was like, yeah, let's do this.
Man, girl, girl.

(56:24):
The things I saw.
I was like they had the clamps,things spread and they're
pulling guts out, they'reputting it up.
I was just like that's.
When I fell to my knees, I waslike I fell down.
They said get him out of here.
I remember leaving that day.
I think I helped deliver likethree or four babies.
One was emergency C-section.
I drove home in silence.
I was like what is life?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I told my sisters I was like you guys are warriors
Warriors.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
okay, that childbirth is radical.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
It's radical.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It's like it's beautiful but insane at the same
time.
It's amazing.
Anyway, it's not too cool if Irap, but no, it's a good way, I
was like dude.
What the heck Life is a miracle.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It's a miracle.
And I say that all the timebecause, again, we lose hope a
little bit in our bodies.
Sometimes we lose hope in whatwe're capable of.
And I tell people always, againand again and again the body is
designed to heal.
Everything in our body is meantto heal.
So if you're holding on to pain, it's there for a reason Until

(57:26):
it's ready, until you're givingyourself what you need in order
to fully heal, and it's.
You know, not everyone givesthemselves that opportunity, not
everyone meets their body inthat collaborative space.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah, I hear you on that.
I 100% agree.
It's hard, because how do youkind of the best way to put this
, how do you?
It's almost like I tell peopleyou can't teach motivation but
how?
Do you teach someone to try andget in line with themselves?
you know, to try to figure outtheir inner selves and who they
are.
Don't worry about your externalcircumstances, you know.
Get this in here right first,and then everything else will

(58:03):
follow.
Like if my home life, where I'minternally off, I have such a
hard time focusing at work.
That's a bad thing to say,right Cause it's like we're
helping people, but it's like Ineed to.
I need to be 100% internally,physically, spiritually and also
at home, where, like, itaffects everything in my life,
everything.
That's why, for me, I'm likegosh.

(58:23):
I've learned that I need totake care of myself.
How am I going to keep pouringinto others if my glasses aren't
getting filled?
It just doesn't work that way.
It won't work.
So, girl, you're such a rockstar, now your business do you
also do in person, or is it allweb based?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
It's web based.
Yeah, so I do see people inperson, but it's all referral
only, so I generally don'taccept new patients, unless it's
coming from another patient.
Yeah, but it's all online thesedays.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
And how do people get in contact with you?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, so I mean you can find me on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
It's at thebalancedhealer.
My website isthebalancedwomensystemcom.
You can also just shoot me anemail
infoatthebalancedwomensystemcom.
I loved basically, I like tochat, like chat with people for
a living.
I'm like everyone just messagedme Like if you want to talk, we
can talk.
I was like I don't know Tim,I'll talk to Tim, we're good, I

(59:19):
don't care.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, Wes is like hey man.
You think, Hannah, come on, I'mlike, I was like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, I don't care, I don't know who she is but yeah,
bring her on, man, let's talkwith it.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Oh my gosh, so do you come back out here often or do
you stay on the East Coast?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, so my family's here.
Yeah, they're in California andHawaii.
So we're here, we're here a lot.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Okay, please tell me you're getting surfed in.
Yeah, okay, so do you have tolearn how to?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
surf.
He is gone.
Bless the man.
He actually learned how to surfat Surf Ranch.
Oh, he did.
Oh my God, they got him in thewater they got him in the coach.
Yeah, he got it together, bro.
That's so cool.
He has no fucking idea what todo.
What better place, though?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I mean, why not oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
my gosh, that's super cool Serving perfect little
waves here.
He's funny yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, keep him going, keep him going, keep him going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I will tell you the relief when I realized I'm like,
oh, he's okay in the ocean.
Oh, he's like this.
He's from New York, you know,born and raised.
He always calls himself like anupstate rube, like the man
didn't see the light of dayuntil he was 25, that's why his
skin's so perfect.
Still he's 42, he looks likehe's 20.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Get out of here, he looks good.
Oh, does my man, jeff, have askincare routine?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
No, what he doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna talk to him after and find
the sea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
It's because he didn't see the light of day.
He grew up in basically Canada,but he's a competent swimmer.
Okay, totally good to go.
Goes to the beach with me everyday that we're home, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
How was that first time taking the water?
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
There was definitely a moment where he was like, oh,
this is a little scary, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Bro's too fierce.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I took him like in front of the house with like an
extra heavy beach break.
I'm like you just run in reallyquick in between sets, you'll
be totally fine.
I was like just don't just keepgoing.
I'm like if you hesitate you'regonna get worked Like just go
Right my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
You probably heard me talk about Wes when he took me
out when I was eight.
We used to like boogie boardand stuff, yeah, and the surfers
.
Finally, he never forced on us.
I said hey, dad, I want to surf.
Okay, and we?
You know one more, we wentfoggy.
He just gives me a board and hejust goes.
I'll see you out there in thebreak.
Oh my God, what?
What are you talking about,dude?
I got throttled.

(01:01:34):
I remember saying he's like,whatever you do, don't give up.
Yeah, just get out there.
And one of the best moments Iever had to this day it's still
so etched in my mind but finallypaddling and figuring out,
bouncing the board and I waspaddling out, I was so terrified
.
I still remember that feeling.
You're just this little kid.
Everything looks huge, it'sfoggy, like you barely see the

(01:01:56):
waves when we're probably likeeight feet away from you coming
in and I finally made it out tobreakwater.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Exhausted, but as soon as I'm getting out there, I
see this guy coming through thefog.
He's taking this left.
It looked huge to me.
I'm a little kid.
He was my dad and he had hisclassic 60s stance and he's
whistling doing his thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I was like yeah, I remember doing, I was like that
is my hero.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
You know I want to be this guy.
It was just.
It was such a beautiful moment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It's that moment, I mean my dad still serves the
same way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Arms up In the tube Extra well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, he's always dude, always like this he's got,
he's 82 and he's still going.
Oh, so good.
It's just awesome.
He has this group over here atBolshechiko.
I don't know if you've heardprobably.
Bolshechiko and it's like 16.5.
All these old dudes hang out.
They get there right when itopens.
They got food out for eachother, they talk and they go
surf for three minutes and thencome out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
It's so rad to see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It's like it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah, and it's good because I can see how much
that's helped my dad just from.
He was a green beret for 22years.
Like he's a tough man.
But I had a brother who passedaway in a car accident in 2004.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
He was 18.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
And I just my dad being such a tough man, that was
the first time in my life Iever saw him break down and that
was really difficult time.
That moment was hard, but justthe years after that, the amount
of pain that you still see yourparents and like life goes on.
I think that's what's also thehardest part.
I mean, the sun still rises andsets.
You still got to pay bills youstill have responsibilities, and

(01:03:23):
seeing how difficult that wason him and my mom, but also
seeing what the ocean did forhim.
He never stopped surfing.
I knew that was his go-to hestill he just goes, it's like
that's his.
I spent his mantra for so longfor him and seeing how it's just
brought so much healing and somuch fun.
And I remember talking to himthe other day and you know we

(01:03:45):
were chatting, sitting at hishouse, he's over here in
Lakewood, he's not far, and wewere talking.
He just brought it up.
He was like you know, thosethose years after your brother
passed, when we were surfingtogether, were some of the best
years of my life.
He's like that's exactly what Ineeded at that time.
It was so hard I didn't.
He said he tried his best tohelp the family but he was
trying to figure out thestruggle for himself and that

(01:04:05):
pain of losing a child.
But like it gets emotional talkabout now.
But to him saying like yeah,you meet me, meeting me at the
beach and still going when youwere a teenager and what we did
together, like he said, thatmeant more to me than anything.
You know it's like gosh.
I love the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Like I don't want to give this up, so it's just one
of those eternal things.
Oh, it's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah, I mean it's, he's also been out.
When I was out on like a it wasabout like a.
I want to say it was like 14,16 feet.
I was the only idiot out thereon a longboard going for it.
Yeah, and I, I I think there'sa bunch of people on the beach
watching.
Anyways, I probably chargedmore than I probably should on
the boards I have, but it's likehey, we're at the beach, let's
go.
Man, I ended up wiping out onlike the second way a huge wall.

(01:04:48):
Well, I ended up like hurting myneck, yeah, and I was in the
hospital for like three days.
My poor dad washed the wholething because the pretty much
went straight down the longboard.
The board shot up and justsmacked me in the head there's a
big gouge out of the board andthen I couldn't feel my arms and
legs.
I was like hey dad, I think weneed to go to the hospital, yeah
.
But he was like he'll take, hebrings it up.

(01:05:10):
He's like remember that timeyou were stupid and went out on
a 16 foot day?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
It was a really good idea.
Yeah, I know, I was like heyman, that's how legends are made
, bro, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, but he was like that wasreally tough Cause.
When you wiped out, I was likethat was one of the only times
I've ever been scared ofwatching you surf.
I was like sorry, dad, but it'spretty rad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I mean the things we sacrifice for something that is
just pure pleasure.
And to touch on what you saidearlier, like, how do we
motivate people?
Yeah, people are very simple.
Like we move towards pleasureand away from pain.
So if we associate pleasurewith something that's
challenging, that's difficult,and we say things like I love a
good challenge, it makes itfeasible to move through these

(01:05:53):
things that are difficult.
So, just to wrap it up, wedon't need to hone in on it
anymore.
but it's like people come to mewhen they are desperate to get
away from pain and they arewilling to do whatever it takes
change their diet, change theirlifestyle, change their
relationships, change theircareers because they know what
it's like to struggle andthey're willing to do what it

(01:06:14):
takes to no longer feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Yeah, it sucks when you have to get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah, yeah, many times, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
What's in.
It is like dude what is goingon?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yeah, that's what makes us who we are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, and one of the last things I want to talk about
with you too, is we talkedabout this, the type of medicine
you do, and it's amazing andhow can that be related to a lot
of people who listen here thatare dealing with a lot of mental
health things?
Because that's a big thing now,and it actually has been a long
time.
It's just been taboo to talkabout.
I'm not afraid to talk about iton here at all I go to

(01:06:46):
therapists.
I need to start seeing themagain.
I haven't gone a few weeks butit's helped me so much.
But how is some of thatmedicine going to help with the
people that I work with withtheir PTSD and the things that
they're going through?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Yeah, so I mean, it's a combination of things.
There's always what we do forourselves and there's always the
help that we seek from otherpeople.
So when we're at least trying,you know, when we're at least
doing little things day in andday out, it's these little,
consistent things that willultimately lead to bigger

(01:07:21):
results.
And that is why, like I talkabout, you know, faith, I talk
about hope, I talk abouttrusting that there is a bigger
picture to this.
Your life is one big, longexperience and if you're caught
up in just a couple of chapterswhere things are difficult, you
forget what it's like to reallyheal.

(01:07:42):
And when it comes to mental andemotional health, it's
recognizing that it's temporaryif you want it to be, that you
can come back to center, you canreclaim your health, you can
reclaim your life.
That it is your right as ahuman being to live a life that
is fulfilling, that is moremeaningful, and I have seen

(01:08:05):
people overcome extraordinaryobstacles and extraordinary odds
, but it's really.
It's starting small.
You know it's small, smallthings out up to bigger results.
Like I think about it all thetime, like you know, we could go
to the gym one day and be like,okay, I'm gonna like work out,
I'm gonna get really fit andreally healthy and go to the gym
for eight hours and we mightfeel really good about ourselves

(01:08:28):
, but walk out of there feelinglike am I really seeing any
results?
Am I really seeing any shiftsor any changes, as opposed to if
we're dedicated and we're like,okay, I'm just gonna commit to
doing 20 or 30 minutes threetimes a week, at the end of a
month or two you're going tofeel different.
So, with our mental health,with our emotional well being,

(01:08:48):
like these daily practices,these little rituals, these
little things that we do forourselves whether it's making
healthier food choices or seeingan acupuncturist, or asking
someone for help, or just takingthat first step into the
therapist's office just openingup your mind a little bit in
terms of you know, small thingsyou can do that's ultimately

(01:09:10):
what leads to you feeling likeyou're yourself again and that
you're in control.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I'm glad you said it's little things.
I think a lot of times, atleast for myself, you think it's
gotta be this huge change.
You know big life moment, youknow it's like.
Just be faithful in the small.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, it's not sustainable.
I think big shifts, big momentsare also important, but just
these little things that we dofor ourselves, like waking up
and drinking a lemon water,eating a little bit of fruit
today, you know, choosing to eatjust a hamburger instead of the
bacon cheeseburger Well, that'slike a little bit.
Maybe a little bit of baconMaybe just like a little bit.

(01:09:47):
Really, can I just have likeone piece of bacon?

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
No, that's that is gosh, you're so right and all
that it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I mean it's, it is a small it adds up faithful in the
small things.
Be faithful in the small things.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Absolutely Now, real quick.
Are you really getting your PhDright now?

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
My doctorate yeah doctorate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yo, can we just celebrate this for a second.
That's a big deal.
Okay, so I'm working on mymasters right now and I have I
have six classes left 14 to take.
And let me tell you, I am sodone.
I can't.
I'm just like this needs to end.
I've never written so manypapers in my entire life and I'm
thinking why am I going to dothis?

(01:10:26):
I can't sit still.
I'm like I kind of got to keepmyself occupied doing stuff.
I mean, it's gonna make mebetter.
But I thought about the PhD.
You know, I think I was likefour classes and I'm like, yeah,
do you want to roll like I'mpassing with Bs and as we'll do
this?
And in one of my classes I hadto write a long research paper.
I was done.
I was done because I talked tosomebody at the college about

(01:10:47):
hey what's your PhD program Like?
well, you're gonna have to takethis class first and research
writing and this and that.
And to anyone who has a PhD,god bless you.
Straight up.
That is dedication, Even themasters, Because right now I'll
tell you right, it's so hard andI'm done with this.
I just want to throw it up.
Okay, reality is I'm paying forit, so I'm like you can't quit,
like you're in bro, yeah,you're in it to win it, you got

(01:11:10):
to finish, but what?
So what's the PhD that you'reworking on?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I mean, you bring up such a good point just with that
right there.
When you are invested insomething, you show up.
I'm a big fan of paying forthings because I know that when
I pay, I'm in, I'm making themost of it, like I'm, I'm all in
.
Yeah, so it's um, it's adoctorate in Chinese medicine.
So it's funny because at thispoint I have one, four, eight, I

(01:11:38):
have about 10 or 11 years offormal higher education under my
belt and even still in China,I'd be a doctor.
I'd be a doctor, like at thispoint in my education, with,
with my experience, with myclinical hours, with, with
everything I've done.
But in the U S it's, you know,it's a credentialed society,

(01:11:59):
which I appreciate.
I'm like, I want people to becompetent at what they do, I
want them to be dedicated.
If someone's sticking needlesin me, like I want them to know
what the fuck they're doing,plain and simple.
So it's really just that, thatdeeper understanding of Chinese
medicine, of how it relates to,to people on a global scale, and
it's just this next, next stepin the journey.

(01:12:20):
And for me, like education andinvesting in myself, investing
in my ability to deliver toother people, is ultimately all
about being in service, so Iwant to be the best that I
possibly can be so that I canhelp other people do the same.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Well I want to say hugely impressed.
Please keep going and don'tdon't, don't quit, keep going.
It's, it's encouraging, it'sreally cool.
When you sent me and I saw thatwhat you said about you know
kind of about yourself orrundown I was like yo, this
girl's got some brainpower man.
I just put water on fire.
It's pretty simple.

(01:12:57):
It's like the wet stuff on thered stuff, man, it goes out.
So I saw that.
I was like dude Hannah's red,like heck, yeah.
But I could say thank you so,so much for taking the time to
be here.
I know you have a busy schedule.
It was great hanging with youand your husband and family at
the Deadman's Luao, what you'redoing with your business and the

(01:13:20):
education I mean it's just,it's all such great things.
Keep going.
Thank you you don't know thelives that you're going to
impact with what you're doing.
And I say this a lot withpeople.
It's like you brought up thatripple effect you just throw
that rock in, boom right thatyou don't know how many people
just from touching one life, howthat's going to continue to
ripple out.
So, if I can be encouraging,keep going, yeah.

(01:13:40):
Thank you you have no idea theamount of lives you're probably
going to impact until you're offthis earth.
And then you'll know be like ohwow, I actually did good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Looking down like oh yeah, that was me.
Did you see that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
So thank you so much for being here and being so open
and chatting.
We're really appreciate it.
You and Jeff will always have aplace in our home if you guys
ever need anything.
Thank you so much Always hereand if he wants to serve when
he's up here, I got like 12boards to tell him to come.
Just grab, I'll give him thecode in the garage.
Just pick your and pick anyoneyou want, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Oh my gosh, we're in, so thank you so much for coming
on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
At the end of every podcast, we do a.
Let's go on the count of three.
You ready?
Yeah, okay, one, two, three,let's go.
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